COPS Legend Jerry Worms Reveals Nunchuck Tactics and Policing Evolution

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I'm your host, eric Levine, withme, as always, banning
Sweatland, and our special guesttoday is the fucking legend of
cops If you guys remember theold episodes of Cops, jerry
Worms, and was the first on Copsever.
How are you, sir?
I'm fine.
Thank you for having me Fuckinglegend, a living legend in the

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mix, jerry, there's a wholebunch.
I want to get started with youon here, but the biggest thing
that I want to know about is whohad the idea to carry nunchucks
on duty?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, my department was one of the only departments
doing it.
So, you know, when the whole thewhole thing about the nunchucks
is, when I first started, youhad nothing on your belt and if
you jumped out of your car, ifyou're working nights, you got
to grab your big stream light,which was, you know, you know
this long radio, pop your radioout, grab your stream light and

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then you had to take this bignightstick and stick it in a
ring and then try to, you know,run with that.
So when they offered thenunchuck classes, the nunchuck
stayed right on your belt.
So that's one less thing youneed to grab when you're jumping
out of your car.
Plus, you could use them inmany different ways.
So it was just a great tool.

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And a guy named Joe Hess, whostarted out as a New Jersey cop
and he was also the worldchampion, karate champion, and
he became one of the instructorsat Broward Community College
where the police academy was.
So he was talking about, youknow, instituting this and my

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department allowed you to carrythem if you got certified from a
20-hour class you had to takeand then every year you would
take a one-hour recertification.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay Now Jerry, can you tell people that don't know
you?
Can you give them a little bitof your background so they know
where you're coming from, why wekeep calling you a legend and
how long exactly you did in lawenforcement?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well prior to law enforcement, I was working in
Hollywood.
I lived in California and I wasin the entertainment business
and I worked for John Travolta.
That's how I got started in theentertainment business.
John Travolta was a childhoodfriend of mine.
What and when his career tookoff, I started working for his

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manager and then I wound upworking with his production
company for a little while andThings didn't go as planned and
I wound up becoming independentand working on a lot of
independent films anddocumentaries, and the last
project I worked on when I wasin Hollywood was a show called
the doping of a nation, where Iwas one of the producers of a
show which was all about drugsand crack was just exploding at

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that time and it was uh.
Geraldo Rivera was the host ofit.
I don't know if you guysremember that show.
It was one of the specials thatGeraldo was in and my job was
to do all the uh coordinationwith the police departments to
do filming.
We filmed all over the countryfor months and when that was

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over I actually applied to theBroward Sheriff's Office because
we did some filming with themand I got accepted and I went to
the police academy back in theday you know you're talking
about.
You know, in the middle lady,middle 80s, and I went to the

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police academy, the guys thatone of the producers of that was
a guy named john langley andmalcolm barber and that um led
to cops because they um wantedto do the show with you know
like the the show of cops, butwithout Geraldo.

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So the Geraldo show was kind oflike the godfather to cops.
So then they came back toBroward and I was already a
police officer with Broward atthe time.
So they came back to Browardand they knew what they needed
and I was already familiar withwhat they needed and they stuck
a cameraman and a sound man withme and off we went.
And that's how cops was born.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
No shit, that's so I'm now.
I will tell you it is one ofthe things that made me want to
become a cop.
I remember watching in thewhole three calls, every episode
.
Three calls that was thebreakdown, that was the
timeframe that you could get allthis stuff in.
And I remember I'm like is thiswhat my dad does?
Like is this how all thesecalls go for him?

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Cause cops showed the best ofthe best stuff almost all the
time.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, you had to realize too.
You know, when you have acameraman, you know you're
talking about.
No digital You're talking abouttalking about, if you remember,
they had these big cameras.
They were shooting what theycall beta cam.
Yeah, these guys, so the bigcameras they're carrying on
their shoulders with them, andthen the sound man's chasing
them with a boom mic and um,they're just riding with you.

(06:00):
You know the whole shift, yeah,and you know you're shooting 40
hours of tape and maybe you'regoing to get five minutes of air
time yeah, so yeah, now okay,question and banning.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I know you're wondering this too.
Yeah, who the fuck did you guyshire as camera guys?
Because they were faster thanthe cops and I know they were
carrying more weight yeah, thoseguys, uh, those guys really
knew uh what to do.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, they were they were.
They were pretty athletic,athletic guys.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
That was like these guys are fucking quick.
Yeah, it wasn't your.
You know your typical mid-90sview of a camera guy where you
just think of a big, fat dude.
I'm like that's not who was inthe car.
On cops.
They were quick and they wereusually faster than the officers
because they'd be running nextto them like catch up, Like I
can't run, I'm running fasterand you've got to go faster.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean you have to realize those guys, you know
they had to be pretty athleticbecause they had to jump out of
the car.
If I'm jumping out of the carthey're jumping out with me and
they're basically.
You know, everything wasbasically as it happened.
Nothing was scripted, it wasall action.
It depends what area you workedin, you know.
Obviously they're not going togo into some bourbon

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neighborhood and ride around allday where you might get one or
two calls.
The district I started in wasan unincorporated Fort
Lauderdale area and crack wasexploding.
There were guys selling dope onevery corner so they knew if
they had a camera guy with methey were going to see stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, now back then you guys, as far as equipment
goes on your person, you guyswere carrying revolvers, I'm
assuming.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
No, I started with a Beretta 92F.
That was my first gun.
So, that was a great gun.
The only thing is it was apretty heavy gun.
It was pretty heavy but it wasa great gun.
I carried that for a while,then went to a Glock.
Then Glocks became real popularGlock 40.
I had a Glock 40 caliber.

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Then, when I went over to CoralSprings, we carried SIGs.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Then you were carrying a gun.
Pepper spray didn't exist, orat least not the stuff that we
use today.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, tasers, nope.
So you had a nightstick or aPR-24 that didn't even exist
then.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I didn't even have that.
I started with a nightstick,but I went right into a nunchuck
as soon as I could.
So right into a nunchuck assoon as I could, so I had
basically nunchucks, radio gun,magazines, handcuffs.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
That's it, god that's awesome and that's like in that
rate.
When the ninja turtles came out, like I'm thinking back, I'm
like man, I because I want.
I was making nunchucks out ofeverything as a kid.
You know, anything I could geta hold of I was because I was
making nunchucks out ofeverything as a kid, anything I
could get a hold of.
I was always trying to makenunchucks and it was because of

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the Ninja Turtles and so I laugh.
I was a full-grown-ass man.
I wasn't watching cartoons.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, the thing about the nunchucks which I use more
than for striking is if you wentinto, let's say, say, a bar and
you needed to take a guy out ofthere, you'd come up to him,
you take the nunchucks and youslip him on his wrist right and
then throw his wrist behind him.
When you squeeze down on thenunchucks because it wasn't a,
it was a rope between them, nota chain right, because these
were, these nunchucks were madespecifically for police, they

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were.
They were called flex batons.
They weren really.
They didn't call them nunchucks, they called them flex batons.
And when you squeeze down onthat radial nerve, that guy
would just comply, just likethat.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I could see it being a great leverage tool
because you literally have somuch leverage based on where
you're gripping that thing at,especially if you can get it on
the end and start pullingsomebody around.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So, come along holds were the best thing.
You wanted to grab a guy, takehim somewhere, bring him to your
car.
You put them on the nunchuckaround his wrist and they
complied.
You know pretty well yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
That's so funny, it's so unusual you don't you
definitely never hear about.
That's so funny, it's sounusual, you don't you.
You definitely never hear aboutthat, I, I can't.
I wonder how popular those werenationwide.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Was that just a unique thing where y'all were at
, well, you had a you know everydepartment you had to have
somebody to train you to do it.
So how many guys could trainyou to use nunchucks in in a
police setting?
And this guy, joe hess, who wasa cop in new jersey, who was an

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instructor at the policeacademy they you know he could
he could give you acertification.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
That's crazy, jerry jerry, one of my guys on
LinkedIn, just commented underthis live and I'm not sure if
it's in the chat over here.
He said I worked with Jerry,Outstanding Deputy and his name
is Martin Katz, with a K.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, Can you see that on the screen, Jerry?
No.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I can't see any of the things I could see myself
full screen now.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, I put comments up on the screen when people are
saying stuff, so I put it upthere.
I thought maybe you could seeit, but if not, we'll start
reading all of them when they.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay yeah, Marty Katz and I, we work together.
Actually, he's written a couplebooks.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Gotcha.
He said very popular inWildwood New Jersey.
Yeah, oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
So in my background there you see some of the stuff
I got from my old days there thebackground if you zoom in you
can see my old original whiteshirt, because when we first
started we didn't have green, westarted with the white shirts.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, there's the nunchucks hanging in the back
there oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Isee that, and you got copville.
Shout out to copville.
I see his back right there.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
But the copville and then that that um plaque in the
back.
There is all my badges on thetop and then my father's badges
are on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Very cool, you know my wife uh had that made for me,
for father's badges are on thebottom.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Very cool, yeah, my wife had that made for me for
father's day.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Okay, um, so one of the things that I'm kind of
nervous about with your phone ifwe start watching these, uh,
these videos, are you going tobe able to see them?
Okay, there, I unmirrored yourcamera.
I didn't realize.
I un-mirrored, yeah, so I'mcurious if you're going to be

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able to see them, to be able todo these breaks.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, let's see.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let me test.
We'll test one right here, justto find out.
Let me share.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't see Banning anymore.
Is he in the bottom?
Yeah, he's on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Hold on one second.
Okay, is he in the bottom?
Yeah, he's on the bottom.
Hold on one second.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
So Well, I could see, I could see the video pretty
good right now.
Okay, so you can see all that.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
All right, good to know.
I just wanted to make sure wedidn't really test that out
before we got started.
Okay, but yeah.
Yeah, banning's on the bottomnow.
So I moved you to the big dogspot Now Jerry.
Um now Jerry, 30 year career,31 year career.
What was your specialties?
What did you focus in?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I?
Um, well, I started as a as aroad patrol deputy and then, uh,
after uh, a few years on theroad, I made a detective.
Um, so I I went and workeddetectives Each district that we
had had our own detectivedivision for burglaries,
robberies and thefts.
If it was something moreserious, like a homicide or
attempted sexual assault,something like that, then it

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would go to the generaldetective division downtown.
So I worked the detectivedivision there.
Then I got promoted and thenwhen I got promoted I got
transferred to another districtand went back on the road as a
road patrol sergeant, did thatfor a while and then in that
district I worked.
I became what they call a setteam sergeant, selective

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enforcement team, where we did alot of street narcotics.
So I had a four-man detectiveunit with a drug dog and we did
like five search warrants amonth and did jump outs and
reverse things, things like that.
Then went back to the roadagain in another district and
then became a detective sergeantwhere I was over six detectives

(14:18):
working in a district,detectives working in a district
.
Then from there I ended mycareer at the airport, at the
Fort Lauderdale InternationalAirport, working there.
And then, when I retired fromthe Broward Sheriff's Office, I
wanted to work a couple moreyears till I collected Social
Security.
So I went and worked as aschool resource officer at a

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city department called CoralSprings.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay Now, when you were doing jump outs, what was
your uniform?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Our, uniform was basically just a Broward
Sheriff's Office shirt that saidBroward Sheriff's Office in the
back and then it said you know,the district I was in was
called District 10, so it saidDistrict 10, set team Gun belt
on usually BDUs like 511s andjust a pullover vest, that's it,

(15:14):
okay.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Now I remember my dad telling me when they used to do
jump out stuff, they'd be usingother officers' personal
vehicles.
Sometimes they would find a vanthey could borrow.
They would just whatever randomshit they could put together.
They'd be wearing jeans, theirbadge would be just around their
neck and I mean they werecowboying it up.
You know, in texas back in the80s and early.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well, we, we had a van, we had, we had, we had
three or four different umvehicles.
We could use a couple fans sowe could pull right up on a
corner where a guy was sellingdope, open the side door and
snatch him right off the street.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay.
So, jerry, I'm curious, how areyou looking at law enforcement
these days, seeing its evolution?
I mean you were pre-dash cam,you were pre-body.
I mean you were pre dash cam,you were pre body cam, you're
pre all this stuff and but you,you molded into all of it when
it finally started all comingout.
So I mean you were throughrodney king, you were through

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all that stuff, you know for you.
Now that you're able to sitback, enjoy the shit show from a
distance, how are you viewingpolicing today?
What are we doing good, what doyou think we're doing bad and
what could we do better?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, I, you know, I think you know policing has
changed just with technology, soyou got to kind of change with
the times.
So, um, I think that the bodycameras now are good.
I, I think that the bodycameras now are good Because if
you're doing the right thingyou're not going to get in
trouble.
And I know body cameras havesaved deputies and police

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officers from false accusations.
You pull over some girl andshe's making all these comments
that he tried to rape me and allthis stuff, and the whole
thing's on body camera whereshe's completely lying.
So I mean that in a way isgreat, especially, um, these
complaints where you're beingrude, when the body camera shows
that you're not being rude.
So on that part it's reallygood.

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Um, in the old days, you knowpeople would come in and make a
complaint and it's really yourword against their word.
I mean, what's to say?
You know who's right, who'swrong.
Um, cell phones have changedeverything, because now, every
time you stop somebody, they puta cell phone in your face, and
I find that people are at leastcitizens are very less tolerant

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of police.
I'm seeing a lot of videos thatI like to watch and they are
challenging cops on everytraffic stop and why are you
stopping me?
And they're being very rude andthese sovereign citizens are
driving me nuts when I watchthem, because I don't have the
patience for some of these guyswhere they ask them 25 times to

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get out of the car.
Pennsylvania versus men's tellsyou you can order somebody out
of the car.
You know Pennsylvania versusmen's, you know, tells you you
can order somebody out of thecar.
And these guys are challengingyou.
I mean, I, I, after two orthree times I'd be breaking the
window and snatching them out ofthere.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't put upwith some of this stuff.
Right, but I think some of thestuff is hurt, guys, because of
all these tools.
You got your pepper spray,you've got your tasers and I've

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talked about this anotherpodcast I, I had a taser.
Taser don't work 50% of thetime and these cops that are
depending on their tools, pepperspray and then you get a guy
hyped up on some kind of dope orhe just yanks the probes right
out of his body.
They get into a panic modebecause the taser doesn't work.
And now what do I do?

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You got to learn how to gohands-on with people and people
have gotten away from that and Iknow you are involved with
jujitsu and martial artstraining, which you're not
afraid to go hands-on withsomebody.
I wasn't afraid to go hands-on.
I had to go hands-on withsomebody.
I wasn't afraid to go hands-on.
I had to go hands-on withpeople.
You know it was mandatory.

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If they didn't listen, you gohands-on.
So, that is bad.
You got to do both.
There's, I think, one of thepodcasts I was talking about I
think it was Guys on the Groundpodcast where they're training
scenarios where I shoot you witha taser.
It's not working Go, you knowwhat do you do now?

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So have a backup plan If yourtools on your belt aren't
working.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, I, I.
I carried a taser since I guess2003 ish.
We were one of the firstagencies in Texas to get the X
26 or whatever it was.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's what I started with I.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I've never tasered anybody.
I cause I knew.
I knew what these would do.
I'm sure there were someincidents where it would have
worked Okay, um, but I've.
I knew what was going to happenif I had to use my hands.
I knew how the situation wasgoing.
So, especially depending on theconfidence of who's to your
left and who's to your right, ora lot of times with me I had
nobody, it was just me, so youhad to use your hands in a lot

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of instances.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Another dangerous thing, and I've seen this on
videos.
I've seen guys pull out lesslethal when they should be using
lethal.
Yeah, okay, and that'sdangerous as hell.
You go.
You know, if you have two copsthere, one can go less lethal,
the other guy can go lethal.
But the first guy there, ifthis guy has got some kind of

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edged weapon or maybe you knowhe's got another gun in his
waistband or something like that, and you're going out with your
taser, that's wrong.
You've got to go lethal untilanother deputy comes there and
goes less lethal.
Yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I want to give a quick shout out to Harrison
Brock.
He gifted 20 memberships.
Uh, thank you very much.
Uh, harrison, I see some people, uh, that are regular um people
that talk.
Sparky, he's on there, he gothe got one.
Gina Sparky, he's on there, hegot it.
He got one.
Gina Marie got one.
Um, show me the audits is anewer person, I know, but uh,
they've been commenting a lot.
Tim got one, congrats, tim.

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Uh, let's see, I'm lookingthrough.
Uh, cajun Magnet Fishing gotone congrats, uh.
And yeah, that's all Irecognize from that.
But, um, yeah, I, my bigproblem with going hands or I
should say not going hands-on isa lot of times there's
indicators that these officersaren't seeing because they don't

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have a game plan to go hands-on.
I tell all of the officers thatI've ever trained and I was an
academy instructor for a littlewhile I said part of the problem
is you're going into asituation where you're reacting
in the moment.
I said, and that's where you'refucking up.
I said for me, every action Ihave.
My first thought I'm constantrefreshing in my mind is and I

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use this term all the time Iwish a motherfucker would.
I was like that's how youshould be thinking, if I go grab
this guy's wrist and he pullsaway, I've already got it in my
hand.
I wish this motherfucker pulledthat hand away because I'm
gonna be ready for it.
It's just to get you sharp, makeyou ready.
It's not to fuck someone up oruse excessive force or anything
like that.

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It's to get you sharp, to getyou ready, because too many
times cops have an expectationof compliance and when that
compliance isn't met, you seethe oodle loop go for a fucking
spin.
And when they don't know whatto do, that's when we get the
sir sir.
We get this dance and thishesitation.
We get this over reliance onour taser, which obviously

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doesn't work if you're too closeor you have shit aim or you're
too whatever other factors, youwant to aim into it failing.
You know 60% of the time and Iwill say this about Taser it
isn't the Taser, it's theofficer, and no officer wants to
own that.
They don't want to say it was.
It was them, it was my shit aim, it was me not realizing I'm

(23:02):
too close because I panicked.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's not.
The other thing I think you'vetalked about in the past too,
Eric, is the um, this whole bigpush for deescalation.
Yes, when sometimes you justneed to give a guy a good punch
in the gut to deescalate.
Yeah, yeah, you know, I seelike you.
You said I see too much dancingaround with these guys in it

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and stop dancing around.
The more you dance around, themore the guy gets ready to put
up a game plan to attack you.
Yep, so you, you don't you haveto control the situation and a
lot of these guys to knowcommand presence at all that bad
command presence, you know youtoo no command presence at all,
Bad command presence.
You know you've got to have goodcommand presence.

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Take control of the situation.
These traffic stops I see.
I see so many guys are lettingthe person dictate how the
traffic stop is going to go, andthat's bad.
You dictate how things go.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
A lot of that is, you know, shame on administration.
They got to back the friggingguys, man.
You know there's, you knowthese, these POA, poas and and
stuff like that were a lotstronger back in the eighties
and nineties than they are now.
No shame, we have amazing POAsbut there's a lot of hand tie,
what.
What they can, what they can't.
Say PC this, pc that.

(24:23):
But when it comes to the streetand everybody going home,
including the person that you'redealing with that day or night,
sometimes you have to strikefirst, to strike fast so nobody
else does get hurt.
And dancing around stuff iskilling me on a lot of these
videos I'm seeing becausethey're scared.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, they're depending on all the tools on
the gun belt, so they're notreading the body language
because they know I've gotpepper spray, I got taser, I got
asp, I got all these otherthings.
They're not reading what theguy's about to do to them.
So that's another thing.
You got to read the bodylanguage.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
And it's you know, and Jerry, I'm sorry, centurion
Tactical, said Jerry Worms.
My wife cut me off from copswhen I started yelling at the TV
for bad tactics.
We all do it.
We're like what are you doing?
You're standing too close.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
We mess with people all the time there's a.
It looks like there's a a Lizworm saying hi in the comments
over here.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, my wife's probably watching right now.
I love it now.
You know, listen, I'll be thefirst to admit that.
You know, when cops was beingfilmed, there were, there was
you know that whole big scenewhere I'm chasing the guy down
the street and I'm yelling stopor I'll shoot you in the back.
I mean, I got bitched out bythat, by my Lieutenant.
I.

(25:38):
You know, if you got a possiblewe call them a 1099, I don't
know 1099 warrant, you got apossible warrant on a guy.
You put them in handcuffs andput them in the back seat of
your car and don't you know, andthen if the warrant doesn't
come back active, take them outand uncuff them.
Well, I didn't do that and Ilet his girlfriend go over and

(25:58):
take his wallet and everythinglike that.
He decided to take off.
So that actually showed, um,some bad tactics right there and
I needed to catch that guy.
And, uh, because I was, I wasgetting bitched out.
So it was like, you know, Ibetter catch.
I was telling myself I betterget this guy because it wasn't,
it wasn't funny, it wasn't goodat the time.

(26:20):
It's all funny and and we canlaugh about it now, but right,
the tactics weren't good then,yep, yeah, and it goes to show.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's something to say too, like when I tell people,
yeah, because it's a complaintfrom citizens that cops can lie
to them, and I said, yes, I waslike, but I do think that we
need some more rules on how andwhen cops can lie.
Like when you yelled, I'm goingto shoot you, you in the back.

(26:48):
I know why you did it.
Banning knows why you did it.
It's a last-ditch effort.
Get this fucker to stop,because he might outrun me and
I'm not gonna catch him now.
I'm gonna fucking pay for it.
It's not because you wereactually gonna shoot him in the
back.
Not necessarily.
It wasn't a homicide suspectthat you knew of.
So, like I, I understand that.
But then you get cops that willbe like you know, oh no, you
don't need a lawyer, you don'tneed that Like.
To me, that's morally andethically wrong.

(27:11):
That's not something you shouldbe able to lie to a person that
it doesn't have the benefit ofknowing their rights as well as
you and I may know, and takingadvantage of that.
I don't like that type of thingand there are more rules to
dictate that.
But there was a recent shooting.
They're chasing after the guyyou hear the cop yell out taser,

(27:32):
taser, taser, pow.
He thought he had his taser inhis hand.
He had his gun, he fired, hemissed the guy.
They catch the guy, put him incuffs and they're getting him
back to the car and he's likedid you shoot at me with a gun?
And he's like no man, I didn'tshoot you with a gun.
Yeah, I know.
Now I understand why he's lyingto him right there.
Now the hope is that he's lyingto him there, but he's

(27:52):
reporting the truth.
Well, I followed up on that andhe did.
He owned up to everything.
There was an investigation forthe shots fired and all that
stuff.
But you don't see that in thevideo and that threw a lot of
people off and I even remembercommenting I'm like all right,
here's two ways to look at this.
He's lying to keep this guycalm so he can get him in the
car and keep everything undercontrol.

(28:13):
I get that.
I was like but if he lies andsays he never fired his gun on
the investigation side of thehouse, that's a problem.
But he did, I did do thefollow-up and he did follow that
.
Um, so, uh, yeah, your wife'sstill giving you, she goes, I
don't let him watch cops anymoreeither.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So a funny to get to say on that subject matter about
lying um, the guys, the guysthat did you know the cops.
So when you actually arrest aguy and you take them into
custody and these people youknow, instead of digitizing
their face out, the producerswould much rather have the guy
you know full face.

(28:52):
And so after the guy you know,the whole scene is over, they
would run up to him and say hey,um, you want to sign this
release.
And the guy's thinking they'relying, he's lying to them.
The guy's thinking, oh, they'regonna release me.
Oh, sign the release noproducers to be able to show his
face.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's why you see everybody.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Never so these guys the cameraman has got a whole
this thick of all the here thisthick yeah releases.
He's got like a whole stack ofreleases every time we do
something.
Hey, sign this release.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
No that's so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That's smart.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Some of the cops videos you see people are
digitized out Right, but Ialways wondered I'm like, how
are they allowed to show thesepeople?
And then you learn laterthrough you know, because the
internet didn't exist.
So you know, you're trying tofigure this out.
And then you know through mydad and hearing about when cops
was where he was and all thatstuff.
I'm like how did they showthese people's faces?

(29:53):
Oh, they signed a release andI'm sitting there going.
How do you convince somebody toshow how bad they fucked up?
Like you know, some of theseguys are dressed in drag, coming
out of a truck with don't youknow?
It's pretty funny.
What the fuck?
How did you get this guy toagree?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
because half of them thought they were getting
released and the cops hadnothing to do with that nope, I
could see them on a raimenttelling the judge.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Look, I signed the release last night.
I don't know what the hell I'mstill doing here the judge is
going.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
What is this release?
Everybody's getting holy shit.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's fucking funny dude I thought you would like to
know that.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Oh my god yeah, I was curious how the hell they knew
that.
Have you ever told anybody thisbefore?
I don't think so.
Oh yeah, we're clipping thatone.
That's a good one.
That's people.
That is fucking funny.
Holy shit, shit.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
The live PD producers are watching this going shit.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
You know, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So, speaking of Jerry , have you been on live PD at
all?
Have they invited you on thereto talk?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
They haven't talked to me about anything.
They need to.
They need to have a guy likeyou on the panel.
I think that would be great.
Sorry, Levine, Thank you somuch for the needed laugh.
Appreciate it.
So yeah, Jerry, I know you'reprobably not 100%.
I'm not under the delusion thatyou got time to sit here and
follow all these police podcastsand stuff that are out there.

(31:21):
But what we do a littledifferent.
Mostly what we try to do isabout education.
I'm not about sensationalizing,I'm not about trying to be
controversial by any means oranything like that, but we call
out bad police stuff when we seeit.
We call out good police stuffand we explain why we want to
get into the education side sopeople can understand.
All right, here's a cop doingsomething.
What I see is a training issue.

(31:43):
Or what I see is this you know,this is an ego issue.
Or you know, here's a cop doingsomething really well, here's
why it's good, this is wherethis cop excelled.
So, as we talk and we do thisstuff, that's why I keep asking
you like, how was policing backthen?
How do you see it now and whatdo you?
What would you like to seeimproved for the future.
So, like you said, cops beingable to read people, I think it

(32:06):
goes into the hiring standards.
I really think that policinghiring standards had just
dropped off the fucking map.
They're desperate.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
They're desperate for people so they lower their
standards.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, it's a never-ending downward spiral
until you figure it out.
And lowering the standards hasbeen a big issue.
So I think Alan keeps joiningin the background and then
coming back and then joiningbecause I keep hearing something
.
But so, guys in the chats, youknow if you got questions for
Jerry and anything like that,make sure you're putting them in

(32:36):
there.
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(32:58):
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(33:19):
Looks like, looks like he uh,did he purchase a baker's dozen?
Is that what that is?
I, I don't know what that means.
Huh, we learned something newevery time.
Jerry, we're not the mosttechnically uh, savvy guys.
We just we try to watch whatthe kids do on youtube and then
we, we just mock and copy whatthey say.
Okay, this is me copying whatthey say, so do do all the

(33:43):
things, guys.
All right, with that said,jerry, the future, the future of
policing.
What is something that you seeon the horizon for policing that
you're excited about?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, I think AI is going to be a big.
I don't know if it's going tobe good or bad.
I mean, you know, just liketechnology is always good on one
level and it could be bad onanother level.
So I think AI is going to.
It's going to.
It's going to change maybe theway some future policing is

(34:18):
going to be done.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, and I so I'm actually.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Have you ever heard of areal-time crime center?
Yes, okay, good, so I, that'swhat I supervise.
I'm a real-time crime centersupervisor, but I'm also in the
National Real-Time Crime CenterAssociation.
It's a national association forthese things, and part of what

(34:41):
I do, and what I feel like myresponsibility is, is to make
sure that we have checks andbalances for these things,
because I don't want big brother.
I'm very much aconstitutionalist.
I think everybody should carryand carry often and follow the
constitution and all that stuff.
Florida is very much like thatas well.
That's why I like being inTexas.
But in that, with this AI stuff, some of the stuff that we have

(35:04):
to consider and watch out foris and this is my recommendation
to everybody out thereprofessionally, if you're
considering doing any of the AIstuff, it has to be an internal
networked program.
What I mean by that is itshouldn't be accessing the
internet.
It shouldn't be accessinganything outside of your own

(35:24):
integral network, because that'swhen that stuff it's untested.
We don't know what it'sreaching out and grabbing, we
don't know what it's pullingback in, it can't be vetted
properly.
So keep that stuff internal, soit's only accessing your own
information systems, if thatmakes sense to you?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Then it can't be corrupted, correct, yes.
And then if it decides to goT-1000, like Terminator style,
at least you can shut down yourown network.
Exactly, unplug that bitch ifyou need to Listen.
People say I'm paranoid, but Iam scared to death that the AI
is going to take over and justdo what Terminator said it's

(36:07):
going to do.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Can you imagine what Sarah Connors is thinking right
now?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I know anybody named Sarah Connors.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
You know, I think it started already, because the
other donut guy donut shop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, justin,justin, Justin, justin's
department uses AI, I think, tokind of view all the body camera
footage and then if it's, if itsees something that doesn't you

(36:36):
know, it pops it out and makesthe supervisor look at it, right
.
So you know, in a way it's kindof started already.
So you know, in a way it's kindof started already.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yes, yes, you're right and, like I said, I use it
.
We have it.
It's there.
Shout out to Badge 502, one ofour newest people for DTV,
anthony Christian.
Make sure you guys go to Badge502 on all of his social medias.
Give him a like, a follow, tellhim Two Cops, one Donut sent
you.
But we're looking forward togetting Badge 502 on some of the

(37:07):
live stuff and get his ownshows going.
So you may not be aware of this, jerry, and now that I know
that you got some time on yourhands being in retirement, we
have some shows that we'reputting together.
Not Two Cops, one Donut stuff,this is separate stuff.
We have a network that westarted called DTV the donut.

(37:31):
So we're doing, we're we'repulling on experts in the field
for all first responders inmilitary and we're talking all
things related with the criminaljustice system.
So we have all these specialtyshows that we're putting
together and I could see youfitting in on on a lot of that
stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So um, the other thing I could talk about too, I
didn't mention.
In my career I was um for 27years.
I was on a riot control unitcalled field force, so I was on
that too.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yes, I did, that was a that was a job outside.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, it wasn't a full-time job.
You got called when it needed.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, like when you'd have protests or riots or any
of that.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I gotta ask just a quick question on that, eric,
in reverence right, that's all Iwas getting at your hats and
bats.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Is that what they called it?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
um, yes and uh, we used, um we actually we had in
the front line, they actuallyhad a taser shield.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Shit Like a Roman shield.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was a no a full, a full shield, like a regular
shield, but when you touchsomebody with it.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
it tased them.
Oh Jesus, I would never flytoday.
I don't think, I don't think itwould.
I, you never know.
It's Florida and Texas.
You never know Well.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I live in Tennessee now, but my career was in
Florida when.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I retired, I moved to Tennessee.
You ever heard of Soddy DaisyTennessee?

Speaker 5 (38:55):
No.
What is it near?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
If you blink, you miss it.
Okay.
Yeah, it's near the border ofGeorgia.
Okay, they butt up to eachother, right?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I'm in.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Knoxville.
I'm in the Knoxville area.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Sorry, Bannon, you can go ahead with your question.
Oh no, I was going to ask onwhen you were first exposed to
riot training as a young officer, where were the roots of that
training?
Where were they?
Were they contacting military?
Were they contacting?
Do you know where that roottraining came from, Because it
has changed quite a bit, butthey've kept a lot of the core

(39:31):
trainings from the 80s in thatdry training.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
It started in the military type of situation.
But I tell you, a lot of thestuff that we started was, if
you remember and like I said,I'm kind of dating myself, I
think in like 99, I think theyhad in Seattle they had the

(39:57):
World Trade Organization there.
That city got completely overrunby the Black Bloc and Antifa.
The in city was the city wasfor three days.
The cops were fighting thesepeople, right, and they were
completely overrun, overwhelmed,a lot of injuries, and that was

(40:17):
a situation that was a lot of.
It was videotaped and we used alot of that for the training
that we started to use to showwhat not to do, right, right,
because my unit was detached tomiami.
I was in broward county andthen miami it's one county over,
but we had mutual aid for allthe different counties always

(40:40):
have mutual aid with thesheriff's office.
So, um, when there was a WorldTrade Organization in Miami, we
got detached to that.
And then one of the days it wasfor a whole week one of the
days there was a full blown outriot with those kind of people
and we were prepared for themand we kicked their ass.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So I don't know if you know this or not.
Um, I've worked several uh rncs, um, dncs for public order
stuff.
I've always done it from abicycle.
We did mobile field forces,really what they called it and
we got trained by seattle.
Seattle is probably thepioneers that learned that you

(41:26):
can do protest and riot controlfrom bikes and it's much more
effective than doing it on theground on your feet, because one
bike is three people on theline.
And what they were doing wasthey mixed their bike unit with
their grenadiers and they werebasically throwing smoke and and

(41:46):
you know the concussive umflashbangs and stuff like that.
They were clearing streets andblocks and seconds versus you
know minutes and hours, becausethey're basically is that they
get in a line, grenadiers in theback, throw smoke, move the
bike line up in a few seconds.
They just took a block right,like that and they just kept

(42:06):
repeating that process untilthey got them where they wanted
them out of the main city area.
I was like that is fuckingbrilliant.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
We had that we had the bike unit, we had grenadiers
, we had a cut team, we had anarrest unit, like when we would
go marching down the streetyou'd have have you know, like I
was in charge of.
Eventually I was in charge ofthe grenadiers and the cut team,
but at first I started on theline and then, when I became a
sergeant, I had my own squad of12 guys and then, like, there

(42:35):
were maybe three or fourdifferent squads and then you
could go down a street and flank, like if we wanted to move them
one way, we would do differentflanking movements and then, we
would you know, throw out thegas or pepper spray, or, and
then we had bike units and thenif we needed to make an arrest,
the line would open up and we'dsuck the guy back in, and then

(42:58):
there was an arrest squad behindthem.
behind them was a hotel wagonwhere you just shoved the guy in
the wagon and this whole thingwas moving the whole time.
It was just keep moving downthe street the whole time, never
stopped.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Right, oh, okay, yeah , freaking these people in the
comments.
Shotguns and tattoos You'reunder arrest.
Get in the basket.
I loved being a bike cop.
It was fun.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I'm assuming both of y'all Because back in 99, I was
in the Marine Corps and we weredoing riot training and
fortunately we had to train forjust what the unit I was with
that's the time, greenpeace wasdoing a ton of stuff at base
entrances and everything likethat and our unit would be the
one that would go out and takecare of that type of thing.
But training in the 90s it'schanged a little bit.

(43:46):
Like I said, we've kept a lotof the core stuff in law
enforcement.
But basically you're trying toget Mr Bullhorn first, the guy
that is rallying that crowd, andsometimes if you can eliminate
that yodel through the bullhorn,you're going to quiet that
crowd way down.
Try to take some of theleadership out, especially if
it's criminal matters thatthey're doing.

(44:07):
If it's just a peaceful, letthem do their thing.
But as soon as it becomes that,eliminate that leadership
temporarily to where you canquiet that right down.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, we'd use the beanbags.
You take a guy out with abeanbag.
If you hit a guy with a beanbag, usually we aimed, you know,
at the waist or lower and, um,take their legs out.
Or if you hit them in the groin, oh well, you know that took
them out pretty good yeah yeah,that's, uh, yeah, that fuck.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I saw one where the guy goes to kick the smoke can
and somebody had just happenedto launch another one right
there and it hits him right inthe nuts and you just watch him
go down.
I'm like, well, he ain'tkicking the smoke cans anymore,
jesus.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You know there's a big liability, because I think
I'm trying to think of when thishappened, because I saw a video
on it a long time ago.
You know when the grenadiersstart firing, uh, you know all
the stuff down range, um, theycall them sponge bobs, which are
like the rubber, the rubberbullets, the big rubber bullets
in the 40 40 millimeters.
Yeah, we had all thosedifferent kinds of weapons.

(45:15):
Um, I remember a guy you had tobe at a certain distance and a
guy wound up shooting A girl wastoo close and hit her in the
head with one of those thingsand it killed her and you know.
so we, when we trained, we werealways very confident of

(45:37):
shooting.
You know, lower below the waist, yeah, because you didn't want
to hit people up high, becauseyou could, you could kill them.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
You didn't want to kill them, did he get?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
charged for that?
Did he get charged?
I don't remember.
I just remember seeing a videoof it, because when we were
training we said, hey, don't dosomething like this.
I'm sure there was a lawsuit.
It had to be.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, jesus.
All right, guys, we've beenchit-chatting for 45 minutes.
I think it's time to get downto business.
Do what everybody likes.
Let's watch some fucking videos.
All right, we got all thesevideos.

(46:20):
They are not watched by us.
They're not sponsored by us.
We're not sponsored by them,but viewer discretion.
We've already given you thatwarning at the beginning, but
I'm going to give it to youagain and you're going to see it
on the screen here.
Don't report us, because we'vewarned you.
Somebody reported us on ourlast live and it got us taken

(46:44):
down off of YouTube temporarily.
We had to, we had to repeal it,but it didn't stop us from
getting taken down.
So if we do get taken down, letus know in the chats, guys.
But there was a mole in herethat didn't like what we were
doing, apparently.
So here we go.
Let's share the screen.

(47:04):
Share, all right.
And we I wonder if I can.
We're already in full screen,so no need to biggie size that.
And what do you think, banny?
Do you think this is the bestview or do you like this one
better?
I like this one.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, this one looks good.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
You don't need to see us, you need to see the screen.
So all right, let's go.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Okay, yeah, sorry.

(47:53):
Okay, we're ready, ready.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I didn't mean to do that, it's kind of figure out.
It is what we do.
So what I can tell you based onmy training experience and we
don't know any details on this Iknow that it's probably given
some details up here, but I'mnot reading that intentionally,
cause I don't want to knowwhat's going on.
But, um, I looked to me likewe've got an officer over here.
This officer had his gun out,so we're responding to something

(48:58):
that requires a deadly force,um, risk, so to speak, like a
high risk type of thing, becausewe're yelling.
This guy came out with hishands full.
He sees two uniformed officers,or at least one.
I can see one right there, butit sounded like a bunch were
yelling um, and he's digginginto a bag.

(49:20):
It's never a good sign.
So my problem is, no, thisofficer that we're watching.
It feel like he's trapped andhe's created.
He's got himself in a crossfire.
So these are my concerns rightnow.
Is crossfire?
Absolutely, yeah, what do yougot jr?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
yeah, I mean uh from his.
We're looking at his pov and Ican see the other officer.
So if he's going to fire hisweapon, it's going towards him.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, and based on the officers that are around
this corner, that may preventthem from firing, knowing that
their guy is right here.
So this is insane right now,just the way it is.
So this is insane right now,just the way it is.
So somebody said, tase himright now.
I'm not.

(50:10):
I'm not tasing during a deadlyforce situation, because all
it's going to take is for thisguy to turn, and I am, I'm
trapped in a funnel.
So Alan Nelson just joined thechat.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
It's kind of hard because it's a hallway and
there's maybe no place other togo.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
You can't really tell .

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I don't know what's behind him.
It makes me wonder if there'smore space to move, why would
you have not gotten back to thatspace so you can look around
the corner?
What do you?
Got Banning.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I'm right there with you on the crossfire.
I understand why he's there.
The guy runs on foot, weobviously there's a lot of the
details that we don't understandon this and it seems like they
have enough personnel, but thisfatal funnel I mean we've got a
fatal funnel both, both freakingdirections on uh, if this this
goes down, bad that's.
That's all I'm worried aboutright now is where, where, if
this guy has a gun, where hisbullets going to go up.

(51:06):
This looks like a hotel or acommercial office building, I'm
not sure what it is, but you'regoing to have other people there
and you know we're responsiblefor every freaking round that
comes out of that.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That freaking firearm and uh do you know what I
might've done in this situation?
If I'm the guy pointing the gunright now and I see the other
officer all the way down in mysight, I'll go down on one knee
maybe.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, again, it just depends on what we got behind us
and we don't know why we'rehere.
That's the other part thatsucks for us trying to make a
judgment.
We don't know why we're here.
I got to make a quickannouncement.
Alan is in the background.
I sit with Alan fans out there.
Allen is in the background.
I sit with Allen fans out there.
Allen's in the background andhe is trying to get our

(51:49):
Instagram and our TikTok going.
It's one of our little sideprojects.
We've been trying to get thosegoing simultaneously with our
YouTube, facebook and LinkedIn.
He says it's going and he'strying to get the kinks worked
out.
So if you are watching onInstagram or TikTok viewer,
discretion advised I just wantto give you guys a heads up that

(52:09):
we are watching body cam videosthat we've never seen before
off of police activity on theirYouTube channel and we're doing
breakdowns.
Oftentimes they will be graphicand violent in nature.
So, with that said, viewerdiscretion advised, watch at
your own peril.
And, yeah, please don't reportus, because we're trying to do

(52:30):
this for educational purposes.
What you'll end up seeing is uswatch these videos and kind of
give you a law enforcementperspective of how we would
handle the calls as they developand try to talk about like an
after action when we see thewhole video.
And right now we have asituation where this guy just
got off the elevator, dropped abag to start reaching into his

(52:52):
backpack.
So that's what we're dealingwith.
I'm looking over at the commentsreal quick.
Dustin Sullivan it looks like anew name we haven't seen.
He said long on audit broughtme here, bro, subscribe Already,
love some of the videos.
Awesome, I see you far and knowthat and know what you're

(53:13):
talking about from Columbus Ohio.
Hell yeah, brother, Iappreciate that.
Um, yeah, we're.
We welcome everybody from longIsland Audits page.
Thank you very much.
Let's keep going.
Okay, I don't mind that move atall.
He went hands-on, decided to gofor like a kidnap mode on this

(53:36):
guy, but he went hands-on with agun in his hand.
I don't like that.
Jerry, how was it back when youwere in Were, you guys allowed
to go hands-on with a gun inhand?
That is very frowned upon thesedays.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Jerry, how was it back when you were in, were you
guys allowed to go hands-on witha gun in hand?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
That is very frowned upon these days, that's pretty
dangerous because you can havejust an accidental discharge,
sympathetic trigger pull as well, depending on the gun
discipline.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
My wife tells me I have accidental discharges all
the time.
Guys, you've got to be careful,guys.
Jesus, she's in Michigan.
I can say what I want.
Say what I want, woman.
You can't listen, I can't tellif your mom's watching Harrison
Brock.
Tell Alan, he has two YouTubestreams running.
Oh shit, alan, you got twoYouTube streams running, bud,

(54:24):
stop that shit.
He's probably trying to find theword Matter of fact.
Bud, stop that shit.
He's probably trying to find ashirt to wear.
Matter of fact.
Yeah, alan, get that shit fixed.
Alright, let's go.
Oh, he's fired.
Fired again, holy shit.
Look, he didn't have anywhereto go.

(54:48):
That was a short ass hallway.
Oh shit, bro, they were havinga gun.
I think that's a gun rightthere.
That's blurred out.
I think they just had a gunfight from like half a foot away
.
Holy shit, okay, let's keepgoing.
I think they just had agunfight from like half a foot
away.
Holy shit.
Okay, let's keep going, becauseI can't really say shit on that

(55:11):
.
Do you guys got anything onthis right now?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
No, I mean, it's fucking weird.
I think he had his gun out andhe was wrestling with the guy,
so he just I think he pushedaway and just started firing.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, that was was crazy.
I can't even imagine right now.
All right, let's keep going.
Now think about it.

(55:47):
All those guys that are aroundthe corner, they can't go down
there.
They're in a fatal funnelthemselves.
And you hear all this gunfireright here.
Holy shit, like what do you doIf you're the guys around the
corner?
What do you do?
I'm not popping my head aroundthat, not until somebody gives
me the all clear yeah, he's gotit.

(56:09):
There's got to be somecommunication with the other
officer, at least yeah, oh mygod, this is I've never seen
like this is movie shit.
That was a gunfight with threepeople at least and do me, me a
favor, eric.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Once you do hit, play again, back it up to the point
where the camera angle changeslike this Okay, I'll go back
right now, where are?

Speaker 5 (56:34):
we at.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I don't know if we went back far enough, Because it
looks like right when he goesto take him down, as he's taking
him down, that's when he fires.
I feel like the cop shot thefirst round and my guess and
this is just based on experiencewhen he went to take him down
or whatever it was, he wastrying to grab control of him.

(56:56):
He saw a firearm and for me, Iwould argue the way I would
articulate this is this guy hadclear intention.
He sees uniformed officersdirectly in front of him, he
drops a bag, starts to reachinto another bag.
While retreating around thecorner, he was reaching for a
firearm to shoot us.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
A reasonable and prudent person would not do that
.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yes, so that was nuts .
Okay, let's keep this One Two.
That was nuts.
Okay, let's keep this One two.
So this guy's on his back and Ifeel like he's like this, like
he's got that gun right thereand I'm guessing.
I don't know if he has a gun,but I distinctly remember

(57:39):
hearing a different type ofgunfire.
We just heard the first twoshots come from that officer.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Now, do you think those two rounds went right in
his back or his shoulder, orwhere did they go?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, I think that's exactly where they went, which
shows you it doesn't drop you,guys.
It doesn't make you stop justbecause you got shot.
You're still very much in thefight until you're not, so let's
keep going.
That's the different one.
That's the bad guy's gun.

(58:16):
I'm going to pop it Right here.
That's the bad guy.
Look where it's aiming.
He's shooting at that cop afoot away.
Yep, holy shit.
And this is the hard part forcops to to do, guys, is to keep
facing the threat.

(58:37):
Every instinct in your bodytells you to turn and in.
The reason we have to face themis because that's where all our
protection is, right up front.
You got to take those rounds in.
The reason we have to face themis because that's where all our
protection is, right up front.
You got to take those rounds inthe chest, which goes against
your instincts.
Versus this, this, this openhole over here which goes right
into the chest cavity.
Um, that is.

(58:59):
That is insane.
I don't.
I'm lost for words.
I've never seen a gunfight likethat, other than in movies,
classic elevator scenes, whereit's actually in the elevator,
but this is just outside theelevator.
Holy shit.
Okay, this is in a hotel.
Yeah, right, can you?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
imagine all the people that are in the rooms
hearing this.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Jeez oh Pete all the people that are in the rooms
here in this.
Yeah, yeah, um geez, oh pete's,it's down, I'm hit.
Oh fuck, I can't see shit.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
The smoke alarm's going off.
Yeah, did you hear the officer?
I can't see shit.
There's probably a large cloudof smoke from all the gunfire.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, how many rounds do you think were fired?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Oh 20.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, yeah, I would say close to 20, at least you
know.
Yeah, yeah, I would say closeto 20, at least you know.
And this goes to the point ofshooting until the threat's
neutralized, versus taking acouple shots assessing.
Taking a couple shots assessing, like that may have made the
difference here.
He only fired a round or twoand this guy was able to fire

(01:00:24):
back.
So Allen does not make mistakes, he explores possibilities.
All right, let's keep going.
We're going to get anotherangle, it's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
It's clear Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, it's barking, it's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I'm hit Shit.
I'm hit Shit.
I'm fucking hit.
Stop Fuck.
Where's the gun?
I don't know.
Get out of here.
I'm hit, I'm hit.
Where is it?
Where is it?
Are you hit?
Yes, he's hit.
Come on, we got another one.

(01:01:04):
Get out of here, just walk,you're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
You win this fight, let's go, let's go.
I like it, yep, pumping him up.
You win this fight.
He's letting him know, don'tgive up.
You're good, you're stilltalking.
You're still conscious what youhave to do.
Um, all right, let's keep going.
Another angle woodbridge,woodbridge, new jersey.

(01:01:30):
Okay, that looks like the lobby.
Okay, we got a rifle.
We've got pistols out.
What the fuck were we calledhere for?
This guy obviously was a realbad dude, right, yeah, like it

(01:01:53):
makes me wonder why did we dothis inside and not outside.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I'm assuming this is a felony warrant and maybe
another call, and something elsehappened.
They pinged the name justguessing, spitballing but to
have this type of presence whereit was planned, and then they
didn't want to do it up on theroom because of how many people
and maybe they cleared out theentire lobby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Somebody snitched the guy out saying, hey, he's going
to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Oh for sure, yeah, yep, all right, let's keep going
here.
Can we get this guy acheeseburger?
These sleeves are not close tobeing filled, I'm just saying

(01:02:44):
drop the bag.
Okay, all right.
So what we guessed from behindis confirmed up front.
He is for sure reaching in thatfucking bag with a rifle
pointed at him.
No reasonable and prudentperson is going to do that to a
fully uniformed officer who'sgiving you verbal commands.
So I would say he's doing wrongthings already and he

(01:03:14):
disappears around the corner.
This is the shitty part, I thisis when the officer goes hands
on.
So now we're going to see whatthis officer saw when those
shots went off.
There's the first shot.
So he's stuck like chuck he's.
He's open in the middle ofthese guys trying to shoot at
this guy who's in between them.

(01:03:35):
So I'm imagining the rifle hasno shot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Because even if he shoots, the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
It's going to go right through him.
Yes, that's what I was going tosay.
What would rifle rounds do?
They don't stop.
They will go through yourbulletproof vest, through your
body.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
There would have been nothing wrong here to friggin'
sling that come out with sidearm, but I can only imagine the
adrenaline.
I'm not quarterbacking him.
I can only imagine what's goingthrough his mind right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I can tell you, if it were me in that position, I'm
going back around the corner andI'm going to keep quick peeking
to see if I got an opportunity,because I have no shot and
they're fucking in a gunfighttwo feet away from each other,
right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Why is the guy with the rifle pushing forward when
the other you know what I mean,the other guy with a handgun
should be pushing forward yeah,indoors.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, just that mag, that magnetic draw that we get
the humanistic going towards it.
But maybe you're not tooled upcorrectly at the time right,
baby.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, talking about my 18 inch pythons, these
pythons old enough to drink.
They 21 son, 21 inches, Ipromise.
Uh shit, eric is tiny.
Listen to tim.
Tim's like six foot fourfucking.
Not everybody can be six, fourfuckers.

(01:04:58):
I'm 5, 11.
Thank you very much.
I am a very normal sized humanbeing.
I'm 100 and probably 95 poundsright now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
So I I say the same thing all the time.
I'm a normal-sized guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Shut up Banning.
Banning fights fucking bullsfor a living.
Send him some donuts to fillout.
Trust me, I can't afford togain any more weight.
I'm not supposed to be over 191pounds for the military.
I'm still in the Air Force.
I have you know, I'm still inthe Air Force.
I have to shave my beard once ayear.

(01:05:33):
It's a pain.
I look like a child.
Let's keep going.
He said, fuck that, I'm notgoing to stand there and be a
bullet sponge.
He was ineffective.
There's nothing he could havedone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
It's a freaking mag gum going on around the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Do we all agree that wasn't him retreating out of
cowardice?
That's a tactical retreat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
He was just going to catch a round.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Yeah, repositioned a tactical advantage.
That's all he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yes, badge 502.
Eric, you need to go to the vet.
You got some sick lookingpuppies right there.
Oh shit, all right, let's keepgoing.
Oh, my dear lord, imagine beingthese guys.

(01:06:29):
And because you can distinctlyhear two different types of
gunfire.
If you're that cued in like,are you recognizing?
Oh my god, they're shooting itout right now.
That's not a one-sided gunbattle, that's people fighting
each other like what I?
I've never heard of this.
I've never heard this.

(01:06:50):
It's like an episode.
This is like watching heat,remember?
yeah that's what it reminds meof oh, and they're yelling put
it down.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Put it like that would make me freak out even
more how about and both y'allunderstand this when you have a
rookie with you, a trainee orwhatever, and you go into a
building and you're clearing itbecause the alarm went off and
you found the open door and thatfrigging burglar alarm or the
fire alarm goes off.
When you're being quiet, you'reflashing your light going
around, then that thing goes offand I don't care if you've been

(01:07:27):
on for 30 years, you get thatbutt pucker just for a second
really.
And then you see your rookiejust almost have a freaking
stroke, because they've neverexperienced something like that
before and I've been in thatposition, I've been that rookie
yeah, that's yeah scary man andyou, they just have all this
auditory stuff going on and it'sjust adding to that stress yeah

(01:07:49):
, yeah, oh, tim's calling outbadge 502 no lit up name.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
How dares you not be a member?
Talk of shit to you.
502, you gotta, you gotta, signup, baby.
All right, let's, uh, let'skeep going officer.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Hey, can we get in there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I can't see shit good cut, okay, good communication.
We didn't hear that the firsttime.
He said can I get in there?
I can't see shit.
Good communication.
We didn't hear that the firsttime.
He said can I get in there?
And then the officers in thehallway yelled out I can't see
shit, which is scary because youdon't know if it's.
I can't see shit because myeyes are covered in blood or the
smoke or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Yes, can I clear?
It's clear, it's clear, it'sclear, it's clear, it's clear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
You can hear the agnal sounds in the background.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
It's clear I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm
hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit,I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I'm hit, I'm hit, I'm hit, oh shit.
So Brandar brought up a goodpoint.
He said he's been a member forfive months.
Why bring that much firepowerand not have a shield?
Seems like they didn't practiceORM.
They might not have one Yep, itmay not.
In some departments, only thesergeant has it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Which makes no frigging sense, I know.
Pull that member out of thefriggin station for the shield
or they just don't have them attheir department.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
They couldn't afford them.
Money went to other places.
Um, they may not have had time.
That could have been the otherthing.
This could have been oh shit,we got to get here right now
because they were looking forthis dude.
These units arrive and they'relike, yeah, he's coming down the
elevator right now and theywere like they just had to get a
position.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So I mean my department.
Wait, no one had shields unlessyou were on slot, you know,
back back in the day yeah,harrison brock, being a
sweetheart of a man, tonightgifted us five more uh
memberships.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Look who got one.
Look who's an official member.
I gotta take a screenshot.
I'm gonna take a picture andsend that to him.
That's hilarious, uh.
Yeah, we were just on his showlast uh.
Last night I think it was, um,or the night before jerry um,
with a very controversial videolong island audit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Oh okay yeah, I I.
I think I watched some of that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yeah, he's controversial in the eyes of law
enforcement.
I'm on his side.
I think what he's doing isactually improving law
enforcement, because we have toomany cops that overstep
constitutional rights, which isone of those is freedom of
speech, freedom of press andfreedom to film in public places
.
I don't always agree with someof the tactics some of these

(01:10:33):
auditors use, but I do like theway Long Island does it, because
he always keeps it respectful,peaceful and he educates.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I mean, this guy is willing to go to a department
and train what he does just tomake that department better, and
he's not looking to make moneyout of that.
That goes a long way with me.
He's truly trying to write whatour leadership at a lot of
departments aren't doing.
Uh, it's 2025.
Nobody should be contestingsomebody for freaking filming on

(01:11:01):
a sidewalk in a public placeanymore.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
All right, come on um , I've just texted him and said
you received a membership on ourlive.
That's funny, anyway.
Okay, let's get back to this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
We're almost done with this video.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Where's the gun Get out?

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
of here.
Who's hit?
Where are you at?
Are you good?
Yes, he's hit.
Come on, we got another one,get out.
You win.
Yes, he's hit.
Come on, you got another one,get out.
Just walk, you're fine, you winthis fight.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
Tim Come, tim, come Tim.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Man.
I can't give enough props tothat officer to have the mindset
to say that to him.
Yep, that's more of a militarymindset, like talking people
through that stuff and to hearanother officer do it.
I just appreciate that, doingit for a citizen too.

(01:12:00):
I'm not saying that just toother cops, but you get on these
bad calls and you see somebodyfighting for their life even
though they don't realize it atthe time.
And you see somebody fightingfor their life even though they
don't realize it at the time,like just talking to them, being
there for them, don't juststand there like a stump staring
at them and going, what do wedo now?
Because Lord knows we've seenthat way too many times.
Jerry, you came from a timewhere we probably didn't have a

(01:12:22):
whole lot of medical training,if any at all, to the point
where we started getting all ofit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I mean at the end of my career.
You know they people werecarrying tourniquets.
You know they gave ustourniquets to carry and stuff
like that.
We in the beginning nobody hadtourniquets or I think the only
things we carried in our patrolcar was like a blanket you could
put over somebody on anaccident.
That was about it Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
So I'm reading through the comments on that one
.
We've pretty much seen all thatwe're going to see on that
video.
They were informed on June 13th2024.
They were at the hotelconducting an investigation,
including interviewing civilian,when, approximately 1221 am,
the hotel's elevator doorsopened.
46-year-old Carl Gregory exitedtowards the lobby holding

(01:13:13):
multiple bags.
Upon seeing officers in thelobby, Gregory dropped his bags,
reached into a black backpack.
Gunfire was exchanged betweenGregory and the Woodbridge
officers Drew Krupinski andJustin Nerney and NYPD detective
Matthew Morrow.
So that tells me, yeah, theyhad an active investigation
going on because you had adetective on the scene already.

(01:13:34):
That doesn't happen very often.
So officer was struck duringthe gunfire exchange, rendered
medically to Gregory, Gregorysuccumbed to his wounds and was
pronounced deceased On scene.
A handgun was recovered.
Officer and detective werehospitalized in connection with
their injuries and have sincebeen released.

(01:13:56):
It doesn't really go into whatthey were investigating, but the
officers are okay.
That's a plus um, if they everget past the ptsd like that.
That was probably one of themost traumatic things I've ever
seen.
Ever.
That was.
That was insane.
All right, let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Then Brian Thomas's comment up there.
Brian Thomas, I saw him todayand yesterday I just.
We were at the Texas Sheriff'sAssociation conference for the
past few days with the company Iwork with now since I retired
out of law enforcement.
Brian Thomas is the PotterCounty Sheriff.
I remember when I first met him.

(01:14:39):
To me he looks like he's ninefeet tall and he's just got a
heart of gold.
So, brian, thank you for alwaysqueuing in and looking at my
LinkedIn and watching.
This means the world to me.
He's a.
He's a true brother for anothermother man.
I love that he's on here.
You're an awesome sheriff, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Love it.
Thanks, brian, for tuning intonight and actually taking some
time to comment too.
Very cool, dunpeel7830 said,and that is the reason why I'm
glad I found you guys to callyou guys Two cops.
One donut Is Matt Thornton.
We need more people who stillwear the badge and call out the

(01:15:12):
bad, and that's kind of therunning theme with what we do
here is we're not an echochamber for police.
We have to talk about the badso we can get better.
It's just like Jerry, did youguys do debriefs after difficult
calls?
Or, like me and most of thepeople I worked with, we would
do a debrief after every call.
We'd go side by side after adomestic.

(01:15:32):
Hey man, how'd we handle that?
Oh, we did good.
Like you know, I really likedthat you stayed right there next
to me in the hallway instead of, you know, dipping out and
going into a room.
I couldn't see you.
Or I'm really glad you know wepulled that lady outside because
that could have got bad in thehouse.
Or you know, you fucked up,dude.
You disappeared, I couldn't seeyou.
Don't do that again.
Like we always debrief, is thatsomething you guys practiced?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Um, only if it was like a critical incident.
Uh, you know the district I wasworking in um you're going call
to call.
I mean there are times, you,you leave one call, and I mean a
typical night, you could go to16 calls in one night.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yes, yeah, that's a fair point, and I don't mean
after every call.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
but if you could I'd say a critical incident we would
debrief.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Yeah, if we had the opportunity we'd debrief just
about everything.
We could Entertain this justreal quick, jerry, from how it
was in the 80s, 90s and now.
How many times did you have a?
I'm thinking you probablypromoted pretty quick, but how
many times did you have asupervisor come to you after
leaving one of these callssaying, hey man, are you all
right, do you need some time off?
I mean, it was different backthen.

(01:16:45):
It's still like that now in alot of parts of the country and
that's a big problem.
That's the unspoken right.
We don't talk about mentalhealth.
We go home, come back tomorrow,give it 100% frigging, forget
about everything, you're good,and then that shit just starts
to stack and stack and stack andstack and stack in your brain
housing group and eventually itcan do some pretty nasty, nasty

(01:17:06):
shit to your heart and brain.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, pretty nasty, nasty shit to your heart and
brain.
Yeah, I don't think we evenstarted talking about mental
health until the late 90s.
Right, you know?
I mean probably.
You know I was into my careerprobably 12 years before they'd
even talk about mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, it's now.
You can't get away from it,which is a good thing.
Um, I like, I like this commentby two boxes.
It's actually a pretty geniusidea.
He goes you should write a hand, you should write a book, and
name it how to get out of atraffic ticket.
I think that should work.
For sure, I don't have thepatience to write, uh, write a

(01:17:46):
book, and I don't think I'd havea very interesting story.
So, but all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Tell them to get out of a traffic ticket.
Just be nice and be honest andrespectful.
That goes a long way with me.
I mean I I gave a lot of peoplebreaks when they were just
completely honest and and justyou could see, you know if it's
a hardworking guy and you knowyou don't want to stroke them, a
hundred100 ticket, you know.

(01:18:13):
Just give a guy a break, that'sjust very respectful.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yep, yep, yep.
Jim Miner just said in safety,we in our investigations look
for root cause and do a 5-Y withthe person involved to
understand, learn from theincident.
I like that the person involvedto understand, learn from the
incident.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I like that, um, but yeah, I'm, I am.
Uh, what were we just talkingabout?
Sorry, my brain got confusedmental health.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, the mental health side of things.
It's uh definitely stepped upits game.
There's a lot of options forofficers out there, and most of
that kicked off because of thewar, um, from 9-11.
Uh, once we had 20-year war, wehad a lot of people to start
learning from.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I think desert storm started a little bit, like you
saying, in the 90s.
They did a little bit and Ithink a lot of that's coming
from from desert shield, desertstorm time frame yeah, that's
probably the, the catalyst,catalyst.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, um, but part of the
problem too is some of theseguys are a little um, I don't
want to say macho.
They don't want to admit thatthey're hurting and they feel
they'll be ridiculed if theycome forward with, you know,
some mental health issues.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
So some guys don't want to, you know they, they
hold it in, yeah, and then thoseare the guys that off
themselves once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
I, I, Not once in a while.
Yeah, a lot, a lot, absolute,and it and it's disgusting and
it's uh, and I and I get on acampaign about it.
It's, you know, when thathappens it's hey chief, hey
sheriff.
Why'd that happen to your guy?
Why can't you get out of thatfunk You're in of only worrying
about commissioners, onlyworried about city council or
what the public perceptionperception is of your department

(01:19:58):
?
Get the freak out of thatoffice, join your guys, go out,
remind yourself what it is andmake sure you take care of your
guys and gals out there that arefreaking taking this oath.
There's so many good ones outthere.
We got to take care of the onesthat we got.
Screw the ones that are messing.
You know those guys may givingus a bad name.
We are a special place for themunder a prison somewhere.

(01:20:19):
But the ones that are out thereevery day doing, doing God's
work out there, so to speak,they got to be taken care of.
The mental health is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
And the way that we take care of our mental health.
On two cops, one donut is weall hug badge 502.
He gives really good hug um, weactually rub our beards together
, all of us that have beards andare capable of growing one.
No shame in your game, alan.
But yeah, he just can't grow abeard.
So, uh, love it.
Um, what was another comment Iwas reading up there?
Uh, but yeah, when it comes totickets, here's another thing

(01:20:56):
jerry, I hate tickets.
I'm a I'm an anti-ticket guy,like I don't like them.
Um, I I do think they havetheir time and place, but I am a
I'm a violent crime guy.
That's what I like to go after.
I feel like that's worth mytime.
It helps society much more thanpulling someone over for

(01:21:19):
speeding that they're going tonot do it for the next three
months, maybe six months, maybea year.
The ones that have fast carsit's never going to stop them
anyway until they get so many.
And that money doesn't ever goto anything good.
It doesn't go to stuff that youknow it can't go to anything.
The police need not anymore.
It's not like the 80s and early90s when they could do that

(01:21:42):
stuff, but now that money goesto the city and well, a lot of
these departments too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
They have campaigns.
So you have the ticket or click.
You know it's click it, uhcampaign.
You've got um most.
You know where I worked, everydistrict had like a motor motor
units that's their job, right,tickets.
Yep, you know they getcomplaints of speeders in
certain areas and they got toaddress it.
Um, you know duis was big.
So you know the mad, you knowthe the mad campaign for duis.

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So there, you know there areguys that like to do traffic.
You know I, I wasn't a bigtraffic guy, but once in a while
you had to do, uh do anoperation that the, that the
captain wanted you to do yeah,um, you know what I was going to
type this out, but I'm justgoing to say it because patrick,
true love's, got this coming.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
He said uh, where'd it go?
I lost it, patrick.
He said eric, you got peachfuzz, compared to some of us.
Now I know you guys can't seehis photo that great.
He looks like duck dynasty, uh,in that picture.
But you're lucky that I'mrestricted by duty, because my
beard would start slightly undermy eyes and it wouldn't stop,

(01:22:58):
because I can grow some facialhair.
I could probably, if I reallytried, just not trim my eyebrows
and it would connect to mymustache, which would connect to
my beard and grow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, Going back.
Are you guys allowed to inuniform?
Can you have beards?

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yes, yes.
This was a new thing aboutthree or four years ago, Maybe
we just.
It's a new thing that was neverallowed before.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yeah, I, my department, until you couldn't
have a beard.
You can only have a mustache.
Um, if you're in uniform, youknow, plain clothes guys could
have beards, but, but, um, noone, no one could have a beard
when you were in uniform.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Shout out to uh, one of our sponsors while it's up on
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And while we're on the topic,I'm wearing my Retro Rifle shirt
today.
It's very patriotic.
It's an eagle that has theAmerican flag as wings and he's
holding guns.
I mean, it doesn't get muchmore American than that.

(01:24:01):
And that's from Retro Rifle.
Banning is also wearing a RetroRifle.
This is one of our sponsors,jerry.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Then we got Alan in the background background, but
he's covering himself up, so letme.
Alan probably doesn't have ashirt on to begin with, but he
oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, there he is, hello, alan.
Alan is also former officer.
Uh, now he's a reserve officer,jerry um, but he's working
private sector as well.
He's our backgrounds guy.
He's always in the background.
It's like doing crazy stuff forus, so putting up all these
things that you see um poppingup.

(01:24:35):
But, uh, tim said eric's cousinit now.
Uh, yeah, mama g damn it, eric.
An image burned in my brain now.
Eek, my eyebrows connected tomy mustache probably.
Hey, where's that coming from?
Alan?
Alan doing stupid shit.

(01:25:02):
I had to mute his mic.
See, this is what happens.
Alan gets out of control.
Guys, sounds like you bought anelectric car or something you
know.
Let's get to another videobefore alan does something crazy
.
Uh, my dog is howling in thebackground.
I don't know what is going on.
Can't wait to hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Uh, let's see where hey, mr billfold said that jerry
needs a retro rifle shirt withnunchucks on yeah, I bet there's
.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
there's got to be one out there.
We could find one for them.
We're going to get them to makeone.
I'm going to criticize this guy.
We're not muted, All right.
You guys know the drill.
It's from Police Activity.
Shout out to them.
All of our videos are from them.
They've only got 6.7 millionfollowers, so they don't have
enough.
Make sure you guys follow them,like and do all the things.
All and do all the things 911emergency.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
This is Rachel on a recorded line.
What is the location of youremergency?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Alright.
First and foremost, that's waytoo much shit.
911, what's your emergency?
Let them fucking talk.
They don't need to know what'srecorded and all that.
Let's get to the point.
They're calling because they'rehaving an emergency.
Shit, jerry.
Sometimes I go off.
It pisses me off.
I'm like what, jerry?

(01:26:12):
Sometimes I go off like itpisses me off.
I'm like what you?
You really want to get me going, jerry, when these
motherfuckers are in a gunfightand somebody's jumping on the
radio, shots fired, shots, fired, shoot.
It's time to shoot, not get onthe radio, christ, all right, I
digress.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
So somebody's holding a gun on them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
It was very hard to understand him and then waving
it around and I thought he saidlike five of them.
I'm trying to pick it all up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Yeah, that was hard to understand.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Stop, stop, stop.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Already, I'm pissed off.
Yep, jerry, I'll let you gofirst.
Bud, you got call details of aguy waving a gun around.
Okay, are you pulling yourtaser out?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
No, we talked about that.
The taser is out first correct.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Yes, that's why I asked you, because you already
brought this up.
Yeah, I didn't know this wasgoing to happen, so you kind of
Nostradam this shit.
Oh, I did Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
So that's bad tactics right there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
If the guy's got a gun and you've got your taser,
uh, gun beats taser every time,and just so people know, you can
still fire your gun while beingtased.
It's been proven, so all right,let's keep going get down the
ground.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Stop, put your hands up.
Get down the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Get down the I'm glad I paused it right there.
Hands are free.
I don't see anything in hishands, um, but the guy wasn't
listening.
He does match the descriptionand, uh, now he's running from
you and he tased as soon as theguy went to start running.
Um, it doesn't look like it'sgoing to be effective, but I

(01:28:05):
let's see get down the ground,get down the.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Get down on the ground, get down on the ground,
do it now.
Stop, stop, stop, stop.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Okay, let's pause here.
You tased him, it dropped him.
It looks like he's trying toget in this apartment.
What are you doing here, jerry?

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I'm probably going to go hands-on if I don't see a
weapon yet.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah, buddy, Me too.
That's what I was thinking.
I'm going to tackle your assright into that door.
Um, we got the distance, we gotthe time and opportunity and it
, like you said, it doesn't looklike there's anything in his
hands.
Um, it does look like ourofficers transitioning and I
think he's already fired his wadthat.
That, and I think he's alreadyfired his wad that is a Taser 7.
It only has two shots and if itdidn't work, you can either

(01:28:55):
abandon that thing or you canchange out the cartridge if you
have another one with you, butit may or may not work.
So, Banning.
You got anything to add, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
No, you got it covered right now, man.
Okay, all right, let's keepgoing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Stop, stop, get down.
I'm no, you got it coveredright now man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Okay, all right, let's keep going.
Stop, stop, get down.
I'm gonna shoot you.
I'm gonna shoot you.
Get out of the fucking ground.
Oh the guy's gonna fuckingshoot you raw on your stomach
okay, we're a little amped up alittle bit, but uh, I'm okay
with this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Let's put our taser away or throw it on the ground.
Um one or two things.
Uh, I do respect that.
He's got a red dot, so and anda light system, so that tells me
he's got some up to datetraining, hopefully extended mag
yeah.
Extra rounds.
So respect again.
I see empty hands for me.

(01:29:43):
I'm not a yeller, I don't dothat.
I, I didn't even do this when Iwas a rookie.
It's just not in me.
I, hey, man, like that's how Italked to you hey, hey, hey, hey
, all right, lay on the ground,roll on your stomach, put your
hands behind your back or putthem out like airplane whatever
it is, um and and in thisposition, I would actually tell
him hey, I, and turn towards me.

(01:30:14):
I want your head towards me andyour feet towards that door.
Make it happen.
I'll let him figure out howhe's going to make that happen,
but I'm going to tell him, makeit happen and then cause, I want
his hands as close to me as Ican get them.
Anybody got anything to add onthis?
Well, it looks like he'scomplying a little.
Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing that too.
They did mention five guys 'swhat I?
I think I heard that at thebeginning um, so, um, curious,

(01:30:35):
um, and I I also wonder if isthis his apartment or is it not?
Because if it's not, you knowyou, you may have a potential,
you may just help save somebodybecause he could have been going
in there to get somebody else.
So let's, let's see what'sgoing here roll on your stomach.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
I'm gonna fucking shoot you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Roll on your stomach keep your hands out, I'm gonna
fucking shoot you okay, put yourhands behind your back oh,
there's another officer yeah,only one voice.
I would have looked back at herand say, shut up, I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
I don't need two people giving out commands.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
It gets confusing enough.
So, all right, we've tased.
It was somewhat effective.
The first one definitely wasn'teffective and he tried to run,
but the second one got him and Ithink that opened up his eyes
because he was going to try toget in that apartment and he
stopped.
So, hands, hands, hands.
We can see the hands.
Now I'm going to.

(01:31:37):
This officer is in the besttactical position in my opinion.
He can see the hands.
He's got an angle.
So I'm going to have this otherperson come up and put the
cuffs on the female officer thatwe heard in the background.
Lord help me if it's not afemale officer.
There we go Both hands on thegun.

(01:31:59):
We put our taser up, did you?
Is that a police canine, Iheard.
It sounds like a canine, I'm notsure, though yeah, okay, let's
keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
I got lethal If you move.
I'm not sure, though.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Yeah, okay, let's keep going.
I got lethal If you move.
I'm gonna fucking shoot you.
I picked your gun up.
Now You're good bud.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
You're good bud.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
He got zero in his pants.
Look at his underwear.
It's got women on it.
It's a chick in a thong.
That's what he's got.
He's got chicks in lingerie onhis underwear.
All right, respect, I ain't madat you.
He's young.
Is that called pants on theground there?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, yeah, pants on the ground, he says he's got a
zero, which I'm going to assumethat means a firearm or some
weapon.
Yeah, signal zero is uh 10 codefor zero.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, okay, that's not what it is where I'm at, but
, um, okay, that's a doublestack, extended mag.

(01:33:17):
I don't see a switch, though,so it's not full.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Stop, stop, stop.
I'm going to shoot you.
I'm going to shoot you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Get out of the fucking ground okay, so he's by
himself at the moment.
Where'd this other officer comein?

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
get down the ground.
I'm gonna fucking shoot you rawon your stomach.
Raw on your stomach, I'm gonnafucking shoot you again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Remember when we said that you can lie to try to get
your point across.
I think that's what he's doingright now.
He knows he can't, unless theguy digs for something.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Roll on your stomach.
Roll on my stomach, sir.
Keep your hands out or I'mgoing to fucking shoot you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
He filled out his sleeves.
I give him that.
But he's got rookie vibes to me.
There's a lot of rookie vibescoming off this fresh face right
here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
That's vibes to me there's a lot of rookie vibes
coming off.
This fresh face right here.
That's baby, baby gap sleeves.
He went and had those thingstailored so, oh shit, it doesn't
seem like the officers werethat far behind, though, because
they they got there prettyquick.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Yeah, they just ran up.
It looked like put your handsbehind your back.
Oh, they don't, don't show it,okay, all right, I'll stop
sharing that one.
So for me, on that, I mean, hematched the description.
You're fully uniformed.
I think it's perfectlyreasonable for him to shoot the

(01:34:45):
taser, given the circumstancesand the guy's running and trying
to escape into an apartmentbuilding you don't know if
that's his, it's somebody else'sTaser was a good option.
And then he switched over.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
He transitioned well, that was a good transition yeah
, he transitioned.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
And then we ended up got the gun, matched the
description and corroboratedwhat your independent witness
that had no stake in the gamethere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
He would have been in a hell of a shootout if that
guy pulled that gun out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that guy would have ever
got to that gun.
Mr Biffle, dual wielding is forvideo games, not in doc holiday
.
Yeah, he did have his taser andhis gun out there for a second,
uh, but I know what he wasdoing.
He was transitioning over, he'strying to holster it.
That's all he was trying to do.
Um, good to know me and the kidshop at the same place for your

(01:35:45):
clothes.
Oh shit, tim's got a questionfor Jerry.
Besides the usual gore of the187s on cops, was there anything
that was so messed up and youguys knew it and it was not
aired?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
They aired there were no restrictions when I was
riding, they aired there were norestrictions when I was riding.
They aired, you know, theyaired stuff that sometimes I
wish wasn't aired.
But they showed cops messing upand they, I think eventually,

(01:36:26):
you know, after cops has been on, for you know, 35, 40 years
Eventually, you know, after COPShas been on, for you know, 35,
40 years, there's been somehellacious things that they've
shown and they, I think you know, whatever department they would
go with, they pretty much wouldtalk to the chief or the
sheriff and say you know, ifthere's something that

(01:36:48):
outrageous you don't want us toshow, they probably would have
not.
But when it came to mydepartment, I don't think they
held back on anything.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
I mean, you're pretty much the pilot episode, the
pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Yeah, I was on the pilot episode and then I was on
about four or five otherepisodes, but the original pilot
show was an hour and then thesubsequent first 13 episodes of
Cops was shot with BrowardCounty Sheriff's Office.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
I was sitting in the living room when that released.
I was born in 79, just to giveyou my age, the viewers.
I wanted to be a cop since Iwas five and then Cops came out
and there, these, all thesecommercials and you were in some
of the cause.
All they had was a couple.
You know they were working onthis.
It was going to be alive.
I believe it was every Fridayand, man, let me tell you, the

(01:37:38):
first time I saw that, I meanfavorite show, you guys were the
biggest conglomerate, I meanthe biggest viewing, because of
that, I mean.
So it was.
There was a reason you were onthat first and that truly grew
the Cops branding.
Man, I mean it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah, let's watch it was you know you have to think
about it's the firstreality-based TV show, really.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Let's just partake just in the opening, because I
don't know how much we'reallowed to show.
Shout out to Cops and all thedevelopers this is your footage.
Look at them light.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Who's?

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
that sexy man.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Get on the ground, police.
Get me what you gonna do.
What you gonna do.
Bad boys, bad boys, whatchagonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they comefor you?
Bad boys, bad boys, whatchagonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they comefor you?

(01:38:44):
Nobody now give you no break,police now give you no break.
That old soldier man now giveyou no break.
That thief in your eye now giveyou no break.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Is that you running?
That's me.
What are you running after?
Right there, some doper.
Oh yeah, that's me there again.
Right there, you were startingto bald.
Right there, I saw it in theback, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Oh, I started losing my hair in my 20s.
Oh did you?
That's me who are you kissing?

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
That was my first wife.
Oh shit, yeah, we won't showthat again.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Yeah, liz is my current wife.
Yeah, yeah, we're.
We won't show that again.
Liz is my current wife.
Yeah, yeah, we can't show thatmy bad, that's me.
God, I can't believe it's longago, hey hey, hey, I know

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sometimes cops is about realpeople and real crime that was
the sheriff filmed entirely onlocation, with the men and women
who work in law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
This program was filmed during a one-week period.
Alright, that's good.
I don't know how much you'regoing to show anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Well, that first part is like 10 minutes and then the
second part of that is all meoh, okay, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Yeah, I got.
Uh, here we go, I can actually.
I skipped ahead just a littlebit just so we can show a part
that you're on there.
What's biggie?
Oh, that is as big as it gets,uh you don't belong here, okay?

Speaker 5 (01:40:47):
it has nothing to do with white or black.
It has to do with crimesagainst persons.
People that come over here tobuy drugs get involved in
serious crimes.
Come over to the car here, lookat that outfit okay, just sit
in the back of the car until weconfirm, because it might be a
warrant for your arrest that manwanted to get too far.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
That's some tight pants.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Just sit in the back, relax.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Look at that car.

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
Well, we have to get a confirmation number.
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
No cage.
No, there's a cage, there Isthere.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Okay, I can tell, but nothing on the windows.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
Violation of probation.
Yeah, I said, didn't.
I say if you come back clean,you're on your way.
Well, if there's a warrant foryour arrest, we can't let you go
, get back out and put yourhands on the car and make sure
you're not holding anything.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
There's your wallet, Harry.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Harry, what are you doing?
Or his woman's yelling at him.
Speaking of woman yellingCenturion Tactical said Liz is
going to make Jerry pay forkissing another woman tonight.
And Liz says you aren't wrong.
Centurion Tactical oh shit, allright, let's see where this

(01:42:07):
goes 210 1031.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
All cool collected 210,.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
I'm going Southbound on 29 Terrace.
We have a 99 on a white male.
He's got blue long pants on awhite shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Running down the middle of the road like an idiot
who runs down the middle of theroad.
An idiot who runs down themiddle of the road the guy
that's in the neighbor, a drugneighborhood that doesn't know
where he is yeah, let me guesshe's the only white boy in that
neighborhood that's correct yep,yep, you tell them it doesn't
matter, white, black, whateverit's, but you got to know your

(01:42:48):
areas.
and when you see a white boyrolling in a predominantly black
drug neighborhood and he'sprobably driving around in a car
that doesn't even match thearea, fucking, back him up, baby
.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Before you hit play on this, Jerry, correct me if
I'm wrong.
Did they not use this footpursuit for several years in the
openings of cops?

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yep, that's right.
The stop or I'll shoot you inthe back is my infamous line
that I'll never live it down.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Yeah, we're about here as a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Brandar 86 said I find it funny that back then,
peeps could sit in the back ofthe car with no cuffs and
possibly have a warrant.
Nowadays, cops use cuffs justfor disagreements, and this is
why we learned from our ourpredecessors mistakes.
He didn't put him in cuffs andnow your boy's fucking usain
bolton down the road.

(01:43:40):
So, uh, lessons learned allright okay, now what I want to
know, jerry, your boy turnedaround, your boy.
He was in front of you and hegave it a fuck it and he turned
around and I think he's probablygoing back to get the car where
you were, like nah, I got this.
Like that's some confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
No well, the guy that was running.
He ran right by my lieutenantand my lieutenant said I'm not
chasing this guy, jerry, youbetter go get him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
That's smart.
That's smart play.
I like it.
Your lieutenant knows better,jerry.
You're running with a brick inhis hand, an old radio.
I'm going to shoot you in theback.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
I'm going to shoot you in the back.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
Jerry got the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Yes, now did you hit him, or did you just have him
out?
Oh no, he got a whooping.
He got a whooping.
Oh, they didn't even show thatpart.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
No, because the cameraman was around the corner
when I when I was whooping him.
Oh, okay, the cameraman didn'tcatch up to me until until, you
know, until I had him down, Igot I remember when I first
watched this, I thought you tookthose nunchucks off of him.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
I thought they had.
He had him pantsed something.
I was 10 years old when thiscame out, this episode, and I
thought you had taken those offof him and, just like Eric said,
with Teenage Mutant Ninja,turtles and all that stuff, man,
yeah, I thought you werearrested in Ninja.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I actually caught and this is cul-de-sac.
I actually caught up to him and, as he was running, I hit him
in the back with the nunchucksand that knocked him down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Okay, so they work.
They do work.
Brandr86 said Eric crappyreasoning.
Could have maintained positivecontrol as he pulled him out of
the back.
Yeah, could have, should have,would have a lot of things.
But somebody whose arms are freeand mobile cuffs are not going
to hurt, that when they've got apotential warrant, so we can

(01:45:47):
agree to disagree.
I don't think that's crappyreasoning.
We potential warrant, so we canagree to disagree.
I don't think that's crappyreasoning.
We just we disagree in thesethings.
It's not worth the risk to me.
Why is it not worth the risk?
Because this guy just ran.
Now, if this guy ran and thengets hurt, hurts somebody else,
then where's the crappyreasoning?
And why do we use that argument?
It's not because it's crappyreasoning.
It's because history has proventhat that is what happens when

(01:46:08):
these people flee from police.
It's not a reasonable mindsetfor somebody to flee from cops
like this.
So it goes on the bad guy.
It doesn't go on the personthat's putting you in cuffs
temporarily to prevent somethinglike this from happening.
Because, like it or not, onceyou're seized it doesn't matter

(01:46:28):
if you're in cuffs or not.
If you get hurt now, it's onthe cops.
If other things happen, it's onthe cops.
They're making fun of you forsaying whooping the whooping.
Lol, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Sometimes you have to fill in where parents didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Let's get to a video here.
We've already watched that one.
We've watched that one.
Okay, new video.
Let's share this tab instead.
Let's biggie size this videohere.
All right, we are not muted,it's only two minutes.
Under the influence of GraySweater, Jean's sister could be
a lead PR.

(01:47:11):
Did not acknowledge whatapartment PR disconnected line
on position to call back receivevoice calls oh.
Okay, I didn't see that coming.
I was just about to say allright, calling out traffic

(01:47:32):
conditions, we're obviouslytrying to get to a scene
somewhere.
We're going code.
It didn't look to me like hewas speeding ridiculous, I mean,
you look like he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
It's gonna depend on his general orders, the
departmental regs 20 over.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
I think that's generally what they say.
If you're running code, you cango 20 over, but you have to
drive to the conditions thatyou're in Yep.
So let's see what more happens.
You're good, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
I do.
He didn't make it to that call.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Yeah, he didn't make it to the scene, that's for sure
.
This is not going to be a goodview.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Oh fuck, fuck you.
Good, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Fuck you.
Good yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Fuck you good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Look at that ax on camera hanging on for dear life
up in that window.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
I know, oh jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Airbag saves him, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, not bad as the other person.

(01:49:15):
No, you're good.
Hey, sit down, sit down, sitdown, we're good.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
I'm going to check on him, you're good.
You're good.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Okay, good officer, he's going to check on the car
he just hit.
He's good that's a bad wreck.

(01:49:42):
He t-boned him.
I didn't realize he hit him atthat angle that's not gonna be
pretty no, oh man, that sucks.
Keep going.
Yeah, it's not going to bepretty.
No, oh man, that sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
Keep going, Adam let me get an RA?
Do you have a side, of course,a male talks to me.
He's five years of age,unconscious, not breathing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Unconscious and not breathing.
Let's see what the details say.
Loseles police responded lightsand sirens, a radio call
domestic violence, travelingeastbound.
The driver was later identifiedas 91 year old jose hernandez.
Never heard the siren um.

(01:50:30):
After the office exited theirpolice vehicle, they reoriented
themselves.
They attempted to render aidimmediately, requested an
ambulance for his partnerhimself and Hernandez.
He was pronounced deceased atthe scene.
Oh man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
And I got to ask this to Jerry man and I know I keep
asking you questions, but itenthralls me Were they teaching
you all in the late 80s, early90s that you could actually
outrun that sign?

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Yeah, yeah, you could , and plus the person's
90-something years old.
They never even heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
No, no, well, and I'm going to go back.
It's kind of a blindintersection, so I'm going to go
back.
See, this is him approaching.
Unless you're really familiarwith the area, I can't even tell

(01:51:26):
that there's a road coming up.
It just looks like the road'scontinuing straight.
So I'm going to play it fromhere, your disconnected line,
like right now we're Again.
I don't see a street sign, Idon't see anything that
indicates that there's a car.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
He's in the proper lane to be running running code.
There's four lanes and possiblya suicide or, I'm sorry, turn
lane.
But yeah, he's in the best lanethat he can be in.
He's not excessive, from whatit appears.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Yeah, I just think it's a shitstorm.
Yeah, I don't think this cardid anything wrong either.
I don't think this guy didanything wrong.
I think maybe turned reallyslow, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
He's probably turning out of there for 60 years, yeah
, and saw the police car coming,but he's like he's way down
there.
He doesn't realize police carmay be going close to 20, over
the 45 or whatever the the speedlimit is coming up yeah, yeah,
this is uh, like I said, righthere, man.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
There's only time I finally realized it was a
roadway.
Um and this is what reallythrows me off is these cars
being parked right here?
It just makes me feel like thisis a like it.
Like I said, I don't.
I don't see a street sign.
We're right on top of thestreet.
I still don't see a street sign.
We're right on top of thestreet.
I still don't see a street sign.
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
There it is, there's the street sign.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Yeah, right there, so we don't need to see the crash
again.
But damn, that sucks.
That's unfortunate.
Now these officers have to livewith that, that family has to
live with that.
That's crazy, crazy, crazy.
All right, let's move on to thenext one, shall we?

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
this one is only three minutes long yep, and then
you know our viewers that arewatching this.
Keep in mind we haven't seenthese videos.
We don't know how graphicsgonna be.
Obviously don't have kids inthe room.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
This is adult viewing only and if you're susceptible
to stuff like this, don't watchit yeah, I normally make these
18 and up after we've alreadydone them, because I didn't know
how to do it prior.
But I finally figured out howto do it prior.
So now, now, this one was 18and up to watch it.
So, um, I'm always learningy'all.
I'm always learning y'all.
I'm always learning, so let'sgo.

(01:53:39):
Okay.
So for those that wonder, thatmotorcycle just moved around,
the lane filter, as it were Lanesplitting and lane filtering.
So lane splitting is whentraffic is moving, lane
filtering is when it's stoppedand they use that stopped
traffic to get to the front.
I'm actually okay with lanefiltering.

(01:54:01):
I think that that actuallymakes sense because, jerry, I
don't know how many motorcycleaccidents you've seen.
I've seen a ton where they'rejust sitting there waiting in
traffic and they get rear-endedmore often than not.
So for motorcycle guys, listen,if I'm on duty and I see you do
it, I'm not going to do shit.
I'll be like I get it.
I understand why I just don'tlike lane splitting.
I don't like that, especiallyon the freeway.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Well, california.
There's a lot of lane splittinggoing on in California.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
It's legal there.
I think that's the only state.
Both are legal lane splittingand filtering.
There are some states that haveadopted lane filtering, but I
don't know that any other oneshave done lane splitting is that
still a us state that we'retalking about, or?

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
is it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
let me talk about his home state like that now it'sa
beautiful state, freakinggorgeous state yeah, um.
So all right, let me, uh, let'skeep going here.
So, oh, like, I was gonna sayum.
A lot of times when you hearthese, you're like, why is the
video muted?
Because what they're doing?
The camera's actually goingback 30 seconds to a minute

(01:55:07):
before they ever even hit record.
So it's just a feature that thecamera does.
Um, it's actually pretty cool.
I'm not chasing.
Nope, I'm not chasing.

(01:55:27):
That is that two on there?
There's two on there.
Yeah, I'm not, that's just me.
I'm not chasing a motorcyclewith two people on it.
I'm probably never going tochase a motorcycle anyway, just
because my department wouldn'tlet me.
Um, but in this it's not worththe risk because you got an
innocent person that doesn'thave any control over that.
So I'm going to lay off.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
But, jerry, you're old school baby, tell me, I've
chased a few motorcycles, butit's, you know a lot of those.
You know those crotch rocketbikes that go 160, 170 miles an
hour In a second.
Yeah, those crotch rocket bikesthat go 160, 70 miles an hour
in a second.
Yeah, I they.
Um, let's see, probably maybe acouple years before I retired,

(01:56:07):
I'm driving on one of thehighways and and they, they did
it on purpose.
There were like four or five ofthem and they actually buzzed
me.
They went, I was going 70.
They buzzed right by me on bothsides, almost took my mirrors
off just to screw with me, right, and I just waved, said goodbye
.
There's no way I'm catchingthose guys.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
He grabbed those nunchucks through the front tire
and watched.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
He was spinning them around.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
The legend.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Yeah, I'm not going to chase them.
That's just me Y'all.
It's not worth it.
It?
Yeah, I'm not going to chasethem.
That's just me y'all.
It's not worth it.
It's not worth it for thecitizens.
It's not worth it for thisperson that's on the back, that
has no control All over whatTraffic violation.
That's it, that's all we saw Nowthis guy could be wanted for
other things that we're notaware of, and that may be what
this officer knows.

(01:56:56):
So no knock on this officer.
There's a lot of information wedon't have, but if it is just
for a traffic violation, no, I'mnot going to go after it's not.
I don't want to see anybodykilled because.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Actually actually towards the end of my career,
the policy was you could onlychase for a violent felony.
Yes, and that I understand.
That makes sense.
I get that violent felony.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Yes, and that I understand.
That makes sense.
I get that 1680 is picking upspeeds.

(01:57:45):
We're going to 95.
Marine blood didn't get anothermembership.
You got to take a drink, um,but did you guys hear him just
uh ask for a helicopter?
So we just g.
If we're going by grand theftauto standards, we just moved up
to at least a three-starpursuit.
Let's keep going here.

(01:58:12):
We're not going fast.
It's 76.
It's 76.
It's not terrible.
Not with this road Okay 76.
It's not terrible.
Not with this pro Okay 75.
I probably just went with theV8.
Again, I'm still.
I don't like it.
I don't, I wouldn't pursue it.
I'm just.
I put my personal opinion outthere.
I wouldn't pursue thismotorcycle.
It's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
And this is one of those officers that has his
radar on audible, and that sounddrives me insane.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Yeah, I heard him call out on the radio 76, so,
but marine blood, appreciate theeffort, harrison.
Oh man, thank you.
Yes, harrison, thank you again,buddy, he's been.
You guys you're putting all theburden on harrison.
Some of you guys need to takethe burden off harrison.
I'm just saying let's keepgoing, take the burden off
Harrison.

(01:59:00):
I'm just saying let's keepgoing.
I think in Georgia they'll do apitting move.
I think you're right.
I think Georgia, they don'tgive a shit.
Georgia and Arkansas, they'rethe two states that don't give a
shit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
They pit everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Anything you run, you're getting pitted.
It could be a granny with awalker.
They're going to pit her.
Brandar86,.
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate that.
We got five memberships out ofBrandar.
Everybody that got oneMightiest Disciple got one.
I know he talks on here, and sodoes DK occasionally.
Everybody that got oneMightiest Disciple got one.
I know he talks on here, and sodoes DK occasionally.
So very cool.
Thank you, buddy.

(01:59:42):
Were you going to say something?
No, okay, okay, straightthrough Grambling Time 21.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
30.
Grambling 23.
Grambling 20.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Blowing the red Over 23.
Two reds over 23.
It and I'll give this officercredit.
He's not wound up Very calm onthe radio.
I get annoyed really quickly.
He's like we're goingnorthbound.
Relax Act, like you've beenthere before.

(02:00:16):
Relax Act, like you've beenthere before.
Oh, he got airborne.

(02:00:46):
Let's go back.
Let's go back.
That's the dukes of hazardright there, all four tires.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
oh shit, oh my, that's a full-size suv.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
Yeah weighted down too.
That's more than just a regularsuv.
So, jeez oh pete, he just gothis back tires, he didn't get
his front wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
There's like five cops chasing this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
They're waiting on air support and they're just
paralleling.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
I can't even say I can tell you where I've been.
They usually limit it to two orthree with one supervisor.
That's about the most I've seen.

Speaker 5 (02:01:34):
Kathy, just to be advised.
You are approaching a dead endon Morris there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
It's on a dirt road, I believe, but he's slowed way
down we're kind of on a twotrack right now, getting really
nervous.

Speaker 5 (02:01:58):
Oh no, oh no, oh, my god, they crashed.
They crashed into a march.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
I'm not going to lie.
If they would have just beenpatient and took that road a
little slower, they would havegotten away, because they
weren't going to be able to keeppursuing.
Okay, at least they were ableto put their hands up.
Oh, um, all marine bloods.

(02:02:24):
It's sad.
Who's?
Oh, it's my mom, the thatdisease.
It's horrible for both them andtheir loved ones.
Eric will put me in a home andnot come visit.
That's why he wants me to movedown there.
She ain't wrong, she ain't wrong.
I will put her in a home, likeI'm not like.
Quit being stubborn woman.
Either move down here where youcan be spoiled by your
grandchildren and you know yourfavorite son, or you can stay up

(02:02:47):
there with your second favoriteson out of the two that you
have and live in a home.
So it is what it is, woman,I've told you love you uh, all
right, let's go to the nextvideo here.
Uh, I believe this is the thelast.
No, maybe the second to lastone.

(02:03:08):
We've been going for two hours,yeah, so this will be the last
guy here.
Let me share the screen Biggiesize.
Oh, we got a question, jerry.
What is the one main change youhave seen over the years
regarding police policing?

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Hope that makes sense .
I think cell phones havechanged policing the most.
From my perspective, from whenI started to now, I think self
cell phones have changedeverything when it came to
policing.
How so?
Because every time you talk toanybody, cell phone right in

(02:03:53):
your face.
Right in your face every time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
Not to mention how well they can help you in the
job, but you know, did you everwatch that?
Uh video um the downfall ofminneapolis.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
Yes, yeah, I did.
I was like a cell phone videofrom the curb was used in the
trial.
They didn't use the body camerafootage which shows he was more
on his shoulder than neck, butfrom the cell phone video from
the curb it looks like he wasplanted on his neck.
But then I saw a video when Iwatched that uh, you know, uh,

(02:04:33):
documentary it he was doing.
I'm not agreeing with anythingthat took place there, you know.
I'm just telling me, I'm justtelling you that it depends what
angle you're at.
Yeah, when it comes to what, ifthey would have shown that
video of body camera footage, hewasn't really on his neck, he
was more on his shoulder.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
Well, the other part about that, and again I still
think what he did was wrong.
I mean Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
I agree when I I don't agree with anything he did
because me what I would havedone.
I would have taken him, put himin a car and got right out of
that area?
Yeah, as soon as as soon as acrowd forms, get them out of the
area.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Yeah, I think what it was.
Was he?
The crowd tried to tell himwhat to do and the ego the
manual, and pulled that versionand they didn't.
That was never shown in court.

(02:05:44):
Well, it turned out that, um,that officer I can't remember
his fucking name, but uh, thatofficer had that training manual
still that showed them wherethey taught that exact technique
.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
Yeah, his mother.
His mother had a copy of it.
Yeah, his mother had a copy ofit.
Yeah, that's true, sullivan'smother had a copy of it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
Yeah yeah, it was his mom.

Speaker 2 (02:06:03):
And then the chief of police lied that they never
used that technique.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
And they didn't use the body camera footage, they
used the cell phone footage.
Right, yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
So that's where I say things change, you know
Politics definitely got involvedwith that.
One.
Say things change, you knowpolitics definitely got involved
with that one.
So but uh, all right, let's, uh, let us go to.
I gotta figure out what I'mdoing over here.
Yep, there we go, share, okay,and let's move us underneath

(02:06:35):
we're biggie sized and go allright, what's up all?

Speaker 5 (02:06:42):
right, I'm just curious.
Sorry, no, you're good alreadysuspect, already suspect.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Uh, I'm a property crimes guy.
This has property crime issueswritten all over I've.
I've got a Kia with a bustedout back window.
Suspect vehicle number one Igot a crazy dude coming out of a
construction site on foottowards the roadway, which makes
zero sense.
So my red flags are going offall over the place.

(02:07:15):
Anybody else?

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
So you gotta make contact and find out what he's
doing yeah, I'm curious, youknow, and maybe we're making
contact because this car isabandoned here.
I don't know who knows whywe're coming out to make contact
.
Somebody probably called in umthat this guy was on their site
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
But you gotta be walking down a million things
from the copper theft in thearea to yeah all okay, all worth
making contact.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
We have enough reasonable, articulable
suspicion, based on all thethings that we just said, to
detain.
See what's going on.
Hey, what's going on here, man,is that your car over there?
You know, you got, you gotbusiness on this property.
We got a call.
All right, let's go da.
Alright, let's go.
Sparky said he was peeing.
If he told me he was peeing,hey, that makes sense.
At least now I know.
Hey, okay, that's cool, itmakes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
Lean 1413.
You ever run an Indianacommemorative for me?

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
So I would be doing the same exact thing Coming over
to the car running the plate,seeing what's going on, I'm
thing coming over to the carrunning the plate seeing what's
going on, I'm I'm curious ifthese two people know each other
.
You look like you got id on youno, no, yeah, maybe the car.

Speaker 4 (02:08:31):
Yeah, do you mind getting?

Speaker 1 (02:08:32):
okay, so now he just attached himself to the car yeah
so now you definitely have alegal reason to make contact
with these guys.
Yep Cars illegally parked.
It shouldn't be driven in thatfashion.
You can't even see out the backwindow through that stuff.
But yeah, I'm getting the wholemeth vibes off of this.

Speaker 4 (02:09:00):
So all right, Getting it.
Yeah, thank you, tom Charlesscene 451iana commemorative.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
Really, oh, he took off running.
He said really, oh, this ismichigan.
That looks like oakland county.
Um, I'm looking at the the uhemblem there.
I I be wrong, but it does kindof look like Oakland County
Sheriff's Department.
A lot of them use that symbolout there in Michigan though.
Okay, so he took off running.

(02:09:27):
Do we have enough to go afterhim?

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
Well, we've got two guys.
I'm going to stay with theother guy, I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
Yeah, I mean, do you need to chase after him or are
you going to stay with the carand the person?

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
I'm staying with the guy in the car.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Yeah, shotguns and tattoos.
I think she's talking aboutgetting tased.
But yeah, I'm probably going tostay with the car.
Younger me I'm chasing Youngerme is running after the rabbit
every single time, but me, nowI've I've learned.
Hey, I've got somebody righthere.

(02:10:03):
They're going to be able to idthat dude that just ran.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
uh, there's no need for me to go, get on the radio
and call out a description.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Other units yeah, hopefully they get there and
find them.
If not, uh, nina sandra, saideric levine.
How could you tell meth isinvolved?
His behavior he's very it'shard to explain unless you've
been around.
It, said Eric Levine.
How could you tell meth isinvolved?
His behavior it's hard toexplain unless you've been
around it, it's like tweaky.
It's hard to explain.
Hey, do you got any ID on you?

(02:10:31):
I know I have some of the Justthat behavior.
It's one of those things thatyou know it when you see it.
It's a very meth-y vibe to me.

Speaker 3 (02:10:43):
Let's break this down just real quick.
No true fence around thatproperty.
It's probably privately ownedor owned by the state.
I'm not sure what it was there.
Yeah, we can go back.
Let's look at that for a second, legal-wise and law
enforcement-wise, just lookingat it and saying there's a lot
of around it.
It's open, the public canobviously walk through there.
I'm not seeing signs, I'm notseeing a purple dot, nothing

(02:11:07):
that's gonna keep somebody fromnaturally wanting to stay away
from there.
I get it, it may be privateproperty, but it's.
They're not doing theirdarndest to keep people out.
So, yeah, on the guys running,unless we can say that we know
who it is and they have awarrant, frequent flyer, et
cetera, and we know for a fact,I'm staying with that car.

(02:11:29):
If that car is the first thingthat brought me there, I'm going
to keep away from the fruits,you know what I mean and we're
going to deal with the car andwe've got him on video.
So if we've got to identify himlater, that's fine, but let's
stay with that car yeah, and inthe car is our, our now it's our
offense originally.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
Again, we don't know why we're here.
I can make contact with thisguy.
Hey, dude, you know and thisthis also makes a difference
were we caught there or is thissomething we discovered on our
own?
If it's something we discoveredon our own, we have less to
work with.
I can't force.
I can't force a detention onthis guy.
I can make a consensualencounter.
Hey, bro, you mind coming overhere and talking to me and see

(02:12:11):
where it goes?
Hey, is this your car?
Yeah, it's my car.
Okay, now I linked him to thecar, which is my offense because
it's illegally parked.
Sure, now we have the abilityto start making our razz because
you think about how he askedfor his id.

Speaker 3 (02:12:26):
Do you mind if I see your?
You know he's keeping it in aconsensual encounter while he's
looking into this.
He's not demanding, so Iappreciate that of the of the
deputy.

Speaker 1 (02:12:36):
So yeah yeah and and let's be open and up front,
that's one of the tricks of thetrade.
We, we don't demand it.
We ask hey, man, you got yourid.
I just asked if you had it.
I'm not asking for you to giveit to me yet I'm saying hey, you
got your.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
And he said no, once you, once you run the tag, you
can see if it matches him rightexactly so.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
and then you can start asking questions like hey,
why is your car parked here?
What do you?
What were you doing over there?
Like, if this guy says, shutthe hell up, I don't want to
talk to you, don't he?
He doesn't have to talk to you,nope, and that's why I said him
running, I'm not chasing him, Idon't.
I don't really have somethingto go chasing after him, for he

(02:13:23):
wasn't behind the wheel of thecar, it's just his car's
illegally parked, so I'm gonnatow it.
You just ran from your car, allright, I'm gonna tow it.
Guess what happens when I towit?
I'm gonna inventory it.
It's just the way that shitgoes.
So, and I'm gonna ask yourfriend there hey, who was that
guy?
So, yeah, uh, what mama g sayfigure out Raz after the fact,
no, no one said that at all.
No one's saying that at all.
Don't put right now.

Speaker 3 (02:13:44):
Everybody's in a public space.
The officer is free and legalto walk around there.
Those people are free and legalto walk around there.
He's keeping it a consensualencounter.
There's a lot of officers thatwould handle this much.
Definitely, hey, don't move.
You guys aren't there, aren'tthere?
I know you're not supposed tobe back there.
Uh, we don't know all thedetails of this call, but right
now he's handling everythingfine.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
Yeah, I'm, I don't.
There's no issue, everything.
You may not like the tactics ofhow he's going about doing this
, but hey, if it looks like aduck and acts like a duck, most
of the time it is so.
If this officer did nothing,let's say this officer sees this
did nothing.
Then it turns out this dudejacked a bunch of copper.

(02:14:25):
How much shit is that cop gonnaget because he didn't try to
investigate or do?
That cop didn't do nothing.
He saw that stuff going on.
He didn't even you didn't tellme that that didn't look wrong.
He's gonna get it from thatside.
But now that he is doingsomething, he's actually digging
just a little bit.
Now you're going to get on himbecause he's digging a little
bit.
What right does he have to dig?
That could be.

(02:14:45):
It could be, but let's callthis for what the fuck it is.
It's not.
There's something afoot hereand you can tell.
So that's just part of the job,like it or not, this is part of
the job, and I lean moretowards this side of the house
than just leaving this guy to beabout his fucking business when

(02:15:05):
he's on this property.
It doesn't make any sense hiscar being parked there and going
onto the property from thatangle and coming out of that
property from that angle,guaranteed there's a driveway
somewhere, guaranteed there's anormal spot to enter.
Everything looks shady.
So, yeah, uh, what did now?
Or I'm just trying to read yourname now, or now, order salad,

(02:15:29):
damn it, don't put a question upthere if you're not gonna.
Let me fucking read it.
Alan, where'd it go?
I lost it.
I can't find it.
Anyway, all right, let's keepgoing here.

Speaker 4 (02:15:44):
Tom Charles, scene 451 Indiana commemorative Really
.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
I love the reaction Really.
Okay, let's keep going.
Oh, he's going to chase Hazer'sout.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
I got one running for me on foot on South 3rd Street.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Okay, the question I'm going to ask as a sergeant
what offense do you have?

Speaker 2 (02:16:12):
You don't have anything.

Speaker 3 (02:16:13):
We don't have anything.
This is Forrest Gump's brotherman.
He's just taking off for hisrun.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
Unless we know.
Now, order Salad said what ifit was me?
And I said I don't want to talkto you.
Fair, you don't have to.
We have nothing to make youtalk to us.
There's nothing.
If you don't want to talk,that's fine.
I'm going to run the plate.
I'm going to say hey, your carscan't be parked here.
You need to move it and thenmaybe make contact with the

(02:16:41):
owner of the place, but that'snot going to do any good.
Anyway, he didn't come out ofthere with anything.
We have no reports of himvandalizing or doing anything
like that.
So we really got nothing otherthan that vehicle.
The vehicle is illegally parkedand that back window is not
legal to drive around withanyway.
But that's all you guys have.

(02:17:05):
So for not ordering me a salador whatever his name was, yeah,
if you say you don't want totalk, I'm like, all right, fair
enough, ma'am, hey, can you cometalk to me?
I'm going to try to talk to hernow to see what she says.
And I'm going to wordsmith.
Hey, don't let your guy get youhung up on this stuff, what?
Let's see what she says.
And I'm going to wordsmith.
Hey, don't let your guy get youhung up on this stuff?
What's going on here?
Why is this car parked here?
What was he doing back there?
What were you doing down theroad Like?
I'm going to ask questions.

(02:17:25):
I'm going to try to find out.
If you tell me to kick rocks, Igot to kick rocks.

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
All right, we're shoot you in the back.
Right then I should have beenyelling out, I'll stop or I'll
shoot you in the back.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Stop, you're going to get tased.

Speaker 4 (02:18:03):
You're going to get tased, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
Okay, he's turning, looks like he's about to give up
.
I'm looking.
Looks like he's wearing a wifebeater.
I don't know what are thoseshirts really called?
Tank top, tank top, tank top?
Yeah, I don't.
I've never heard it calledanything else.
I'm just a wife beater shirt.
Yeah, I don't think you'resupposed to say that anymore.

(02:18:26):
So he's turning.
Now he's got his taser out.
I'm okay with this, because theguy ran and he's got his.
This looks like his hands areempty.
But yeah, why the hell, youknow?
Okay, let's say you decide totase them.
What reason do you have?

Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
At what point do you have fruits of a poisonous tree?
Right, we do have a less thanlethal option here and you're on
the stand tomorrow.
Let's pretend like the justicesystem works seamlessly and it's
tomorrow.
Yeah, what is your answer as apeace officer on why I went
afoot after him?

Speaker 1 (02:19:01):
Why did I chase this guy?

Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
The only reason I would be chasing him is if the
call came out that there was adescription of a guy doing
something at that site.

Speaker 3 (02:19:12):
You bet he's taking a bale of whatever copper from
here.
It was inscribed, it went inthe trunk.
They're going back.
It looks like they're doingsomething with tools now.
Then you have a lot more, butwe don't know the details on
this.
This officer may have a lotmore information than we're led
up to believe to this point.
Yeah, so right now we're seeing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
Yeah, if he decides to tase this guy, it's going to
be kind of sketch Again.
We don't know what he knows.
We're speculating y'all.
This is all speculation.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (02:19:47):
Go now.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
I don't like that.
He's reaching.
Damn Jerry, you called it today, man, I don't like this.
He's got a taser out and thisguy's reaching.
That looks like he's reachingto me.
I don't like not being able tosee hands.
He's blading them.
Yes, it's a bladed stance.

(02:20:10):
That's an intentional move todeceive and hide stuff.
My guess is he's throwing dope,but we'll see.

Speaker 4 (02:20:19):
Let's see your hands now.
He's throwing dope, but we'llsee now.
No, get the on the ground, ohyes, that was reaching for a gun
.

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
That was shit.
That was quick as hell, okay,and he went to a knee.
Yeah, yeah, he took a moreplatform stance.
Holy shit, now did he hit theofficer.
It didn't sound like a veryloud gun either.
That may have been the body cam.

Speaker 3 (02:20:51):
A little .32 or something, I don't know, that
was a very deceiving move hemade.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Yeah for sure I don't like that.
He went back Very intense fireat South Dutchey.

Speaker 2 (02:21:08):
What's that?
Speak down.

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
Yeah, that's a northern accent.
For sure, that's a Michiganaccent.

Speaker 4 (02:21:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
I'm telling you right now, if a citizen officer I
don't know, oh my I'm tellingyou right now if a citizen
officers me is, bring it, helpme, help me, help me, help
everybody else.
I need help here.
I'll take it.
I am not ashamed to die.
I've had some big old uhbanning Bubba's out there that
have helped me wrestle with aguy before outside of a bar.

(02:21:40):
I'm getting this guy down onthe ground.
I'm like, oh, I can feel hishead kind of slipping out like
he's gonna kind of almostbackdoor me, um, and take my
back.
And all of a sudden we just allwent to the ground.
These two big bubbles were likeare you good, officer?

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
I'm like get his legs a little little posse comatose
in action yeah, yeah, um, allright, let's uh keep oh my god
baron run medic call supervisor.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
Oh my god bro, the scene is not secure.
He didn't secure this dude.

Speaker 3 (02:22:18):
No, I mean, he's in shock.
And this is a and every human Idon't care how badass you think
you are, people that arewatching every human goes
through a different reaction thefirst time they get shot at.
I remember my first time andit's it's a reaction that is
just, oh my god.
You got to get on top of thosemotions real quick and command
the scene yeah, I, I remember,uh, the first shooting I was

(02:22:40):
involved in.

Speaker 1 (02:22:41):
I didn't shoot, we were shot at and I, just I was.
I remember I was taught, youknow, I remember learning in the
Academy, you, you don't,sometimes you don't know your
hit and I, I was adamant, like Iwas taking my shit off.
I'm like, bro, just check me,check me.
I'm a little amped up here, Ijust want to make sure.

(02:23:03):
So, um, I, I just kind ofscrubbed through this.
Nothing else happens, it's justuh, it's just um was the
officer hit.
No, it doesn't say he was hit.
Let's, let's read those details, details right now.
So, um, it says uh.
Barion County, michigan.
On June 30th 2025, deputy CalLandon of the Berrien County

(02:23:25):
Sheriff's Office approached avehicle reportedly parked on
private property.
Okay, so that means theresidents called and said, hey,
this vehicle's on our property.

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
Different story that opens up a whole different set
of parameters.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Right, so we've got private property, somebody's on
it.
We have complete right to stopand see what they're up to.
When asked for identification,40-year-old Joshua Coffey of
South Bend abruptly fled on foot, leading the deputy to a nearby
park.
Body camera footage laterrevealed Coffey appearing to
surrender before drawing afirearm and firing two shots.

(02:24:01):
Oh, he got two off.
I only thought he got one um atthe deputy deputy, initially
armed with a taser, managed totransition to a service weapon
and return fire, fatallystriking coffee.
Moments later, deputy SabrinaLarrata arrived as the first
backup unit, arrived on sceneand found coffee to be deceased

(02:24:21):
with the firearm in his handwith his finger on the trigger.
Meanwhile, the unidentifiedwoman who was with coffee at the
start of the encounter hassince been located, but further
details remain wrapped underwraps due to the open case.
Deputy Landon is currently inadministrative leave following
standard protocol for officersinvolved shootings.

(02:24:42):
Okay, um, I'm going over here tothe comments to see eye of the
night.
Hey, eric, uh, if you have acivilian aiding you before
backup gets there, do you radioand inform them civilian, if I
can think to do that.
Yeah, yes, um, you got to havereally good situational
awareness, know that people arecoming and know to to do that.
Yeah, yes, um, you got to havereally good situational
awareness, know that people arecoming and know to to put that

(02:25:04):
out there.
Um, I am of the opinion, ifyou're offering your help,
you're a grown-ass person andyou know what you're getting
into.
Yeah, so, um, I'm not going tocoddle you.
I I'm not going to throw you inharm's way.
If I think that, I'm going to,let you know.
Like he's fucking shooting agun.

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
And then in.

Speaker 1 (02:25:23):
Texas.
You'll hear that good old boygo.
I got two of them.
I'm like all right shoot him.

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
Jerry, I don't know if it was the same in Florida,
but there's an 1800s law that'sstill covered here in Texas.
Not a lot of law enforcementeven knows about it because they
haven't really covered itanymore.

Speaker 1 (02:25:48):
But it is that true posse comitatus law and if
you're on the ground fightingwith somebody, and you point I
need your help if you read thatlaw to the t eric.
Is it not a felony if theydon't act?

Speaker 3 (02:25:52):
and I don't know what the level is, but yeah it is an
offense if they don't want tohelp there's a defense to
prosecution on everything,however, I love that that law is
in effect and while that possecomatose during that incident,
that person that's not a policeofficer has the dual authority
under that officer as anumbrella until that incident is
over, and then it'sautomatically released to

(02:26:14):
protect him.

Speaker 1 (02:26:17):
So I would never like in you guys have this for the
record if I ever ask forsomebody's help and they don't
and I get hurt yeah, it's not onme alone.
I don't.
I don't want you to charge acitizen for not helping me
because I asked them to like.
It's not their job.
Please don't charge them.
But I understand why it exists.
I get why they have it.

(02:26:38):
It does make society cometogether.
It's supposed to help, you know, because that's how we do the
best policing.
I can tell you right now I betjerry would say the same thing
all of my best police work hasbeen when I collaborated with
the citizens.
It's never been by myself, it'snever all been.
Oh, this is what levine found.
This is what levineinvestigated.
And this is how levine got thebad.

(02:26:59):
No, it's been.
Levine got a little bit of thisinformation.
Levine went out and talked tothe community.
Community gave him thisfeedback.
The community told him thatthis may be a good place to look
.
The community told him this washis hours of operation when
he's over here in the communityis the one that.
Let me know that that person isover at this place and at this
location at this time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:17):
We'll get it when I was a detective.
I mean I canvassedneighborhoods and knocking on
doors and talking to all theneighbors and you know they.
Eventually you get someinformation.

Speaker 1 (02:27:29):
Yeah, yeah, you do and you build those
relationships and I thinkcertain officers they get it
better.
And when you know thoseofficers they become a tool for
you, not in a bad way.
But when you realize there'ssome officers that have a really
good relationship with thecommunity, better than most, you
go to them.
Hey, this guy I think he's inyour neighborhood Can you help

(02:27:52):
me get some information from thecommunity?
Because if I go do it, they'renot going to talk to me, they
don't have the trust with me,but they do with you.
And then that officer goes andsays, hey, like one of my guys
needs help, this one's worth it,I need your help.
And they'll go out and theyalways come back with the
information.
So that's why I say, man,there's no honor amongst thieves
.
It usually works itself outbecause the community helps each

(02:28:15):
other and that's how it shouldbe.
But, yeah, man, well, jerry,sir, we're at two and a half
hours.
It does kind of fly by Ifyou're having fun, I always have
fun doing these.

Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
I hope you're doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:30):
Yeah, it goes quicker than most people.
I tell people we usually dothis for about an hour and a
half to two and a half hours,sometimes three, and they're
like well, I can't do it thatlong.
I'm like yeah, everybody saysthat until you get in it.

Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
How long did we do that?
One night, four or five hours.

Speaker 1 (02:28:43):
Oh yeah, I think we had a five-hour night one night.
Good Lord, bro, it was insane.
It was insane, it was fun.
Yeah, it was fun.
Yeah, I was pretty drunk at theend.
They usually have a lot to dowith it, I'm just drinking water
, I'm not drinking anything else.
Me too it's brown water, butwe're good.

Speaker 3 (02:29:04):
Mine has water in it as well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
Yeah, sparky bullshit .
Sparky said Jerry, thanks forcoming on the show.
Eric Banning thanks for havinghim on.
It was nice to see him again.
5 am comes early.
Thanks, brock.
Uh, thanks, brock.
Gn.
Good night, thanks, buddy.
Appreciate it.
Um, banning sweatland thanksfor tonight.
Just as linkedin user, I'm sureyou'll be able to check your

(02:29:26):
page.
It's probably one of yourpeople.
Um, david edmonston said thatthere's an older video where
civilians helped an injuredofficer on the road during a
shootout on i-45.
I remember that video.
I know what you're talkingabout.
Um, yep, uh, what did that say?
Brandar said Eric, have youreached out to Southern Draw Law
?
I have not.
I haven't had an opportunity tohave been so busy with all the

(02:29:48):
Long Island audit stuff.
So now, before we get off ofhere, guys, I want to make sure
that you're completely clear ofour DTV page.
So I'm going to go to that realquick and share it.
We keep getting more and morefeatures to it, so please make
sure.
If you haven't yet, try to gothere, check it out.

(02:30:11):
Maybe join up if you feel theneed to.

Speaker 3 (02:30:14):
And that LinkedIn user just real quick because I
want to give him credit.
His name is Chris Ramsey.
It looks like he's out ofSeattle and I believe he's part
of the Air Force.
I'm just reading down the pagenow and he's the one that
thanked me for the night, sothank you for Chris for being
here.

Speaker 1 (02:30:30):
Yep, jim Miner, we love the show.
Appreciate it, liz.
Super cool show guys, thank you.
So much's from wifey um.
But yeah, guys, check out ourdtv um.
Nunchuck demo for closeout.
Would you leave the man alone?
He's in his 70s now.
He ain't nunchucking nothing.
Uh, I don't want.

(02:30:50):
I don't want that liability onmy show.
You guys, everybody, yes,nunchucks, I'll probably swing
it around and hit myself in thehead Right I got, and we're just
going to be sitting here allquiet and like it's a perishable
skill, yeah.
Um, so yeah, check us out on DTV.
Um, you know, make sure you goto the Instagrams and the

(02:31:12):
YouTubes and all that stuff Like, follow, subscribe everybody
that paid for membershipstonight.
Thank you, harrison and Brandar.
Guys, you putting money intothe show is what helps keep it
running, so thank you for doingthat.
But what really also helps usis the follows and just sharing
just the network stuff.
Jerry, you got any closingwords of wisdom, sir?

Speaker 2 (02:31:33):
Well, I just really appreciate you having me on and
I plan on doing a couple morepodcasts in the future with some
other uh people.
And then I think in Miami, uhcounterculture is doing a big uh
live event on August 16th thatI'm going to be in.
I'm going to actually be there,I'm going to Florida anyway to

(02:31:53):
visit some family members andI'm going to uh be at their
event.

Speaker 1 (02:31:57):
that they're going to have.
Okay, you said August 16th.
You think August?

Speaker 2 (02:32:01):
16th in Miami.

Speaker 1 (02:32:03):
Okay, let me see if I can't find that and share.

Speaker 3 (02:32:10):
While you're doing that, I'm going to ask Jerry
something.
I hate when people ask me thisquestion hey, do you know?
So-and-so, he's a Dallas copand I'm like, dude, there's.
No, I don't know.
I'm sure he's a great guy, butdown in your area of where you
worked, and this gentleman isstill working or just recently
retired.
His name was Robert Greenbergand he lived or worked there was

(02:32:31):
a, an Island just South ofMiami, and I know he instructed
all over the place.
I'm not sure what all heinstructed, but he was the guy
that founded law enforcementtoday.
And then he ended up selling itto a good friend of mine named
Kyle Reyes, and now he owns it.
But I didn't know if he evercame and did some teachings.
You may have remembered, butagain, his name was Robert

(02:32:51):
Greenberg.
I believe he was a captain andhe may have recently retired.

Speaker 2 (02:32:56):
No, I don't think I know that guy good deal yeah
there's the flyer right there.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Yep.
So shout out to Counter Culture.
You guys remember that's allinvolved with Copville and
Antihero Podcast and the DonutShop Podcast With Justin, who we
were talking about earlier.
Guys on the ground, yep, andthen, and Beyond the Barrel,
they're all part of that.
Yeah, red ninja from beyond thebarrel, um, guys, check them

(02:33:23):
out.
Um, I feel like I'm missing onemore.
I don't want to leave anybodyout, uh, but I can't.
Nobody's coming to mind, um, so, yeah, check all of those guys
out.
Um, they're great, I love them,I support their stuff all the
time and, uh, I think they'reout there doing great things,
just just like we're trying todo.
So make sure you guys checkthem out and check out that

(02:33:43):
event.
Go see Jerry.

Speaker 3 (02:33:44):
And hang out, and it looks like your wife knows,
robert.
She said it twice in thecomments over here.
Robert Greenberg.

Speaker 1 (02:33:51):
Oh yeah, I know Robert.
Yeah, he's a great guy man Gooddude, good dude.

Speaker 3 (02:33:54):
Yup, he's a great guy , man Good dude, good dude.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
Yep, hell, yeah, all right.
Well, that's all I goteverybody.
Thank you for joining ustonight.
This will be available on ourpodcast for you to listen to
later on sometime this week, andyou can always come back and
watch the video on our YouTubechannel and watch the live rerun
.

Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
Same on LinkedIn and Facebook, I believe.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Yep, I believe you were right.
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Speaker 3 (02:34:31):
So Jerry, Jerry, if you could stick around for a
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