Exploring Emotional Intelligence in Law Enforcement

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Speaker 2 (00:57):
What's up guys?
How's it going this fineevening?
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Uh, how about you explain topeople the whole um travesty
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So people aren't askingquestions later.

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So I spent the last 14 days in phoenix at helping
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I put a bunch of sound panelsup and evidently the sticky was
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Brothers, one of our guys overthere, and actually he's on just
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out to him.
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You know who I don't see heretonight and I haven't seen him
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That's okay, though.
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That's funny.
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guys.
So I'm working with two camerastonight, so I got two different
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I'm not going to flip back.
I'm just going to leave it onthis one tonight, but I was
trying to see what one wasbetter for what we got going on
and honestly, I just probablygonna stick with this, this

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So not that you guys give ashit, you don't care, it doesn't
make a big difference.
Uh, freeman keys alan, I sitwith alan.
Is that what it is?
I sit with alan no or was it I?
stand, I stand, I think it's,and yeah, shotguns and tattoos
is in the house.
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It says good, you're back.
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Banning's really into thisstuff.
He's really been talking abouthim lately.
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in Dallas for 2025.
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That's what we want.
They need better software,better stuff, and, from what
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I don't think he would haveleft police work to go to them
if he didn't believe that.
So good job, banning.

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Proud of you, buddy, go outthere and do your thing.
My mom says good eveningeveryone from my couch, my mom.
My mom is in my living roomright now, so she will not be
with us much longer.
She's not dying, she's goingback to Michigan.
I'm going to get out of hereone night.

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Sorry, guys, my mother is nolonger with us.
She is in Michigan, which ispretty much a death sentence
anyway.
I mean, let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, that's why she came to Texas, why it's like
snowy up there.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I have been guilt tripping her every chance I can.
I'm like man.
My kids really, really lovehaving you around and you're not
going to be here anymore.
You're just going to go back upto Michigan with my brother.
He just works all the time.
You're just going to be upthere by yourself, you know?
I mean, if that's what you'reinto, mom, that's cool.

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You don't want to be aroundyour grandkids.
My dogs are obsessed with younow.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
you don't want to be around your grandkids, my dogs
are obsessed with you.
Now, yeah, yeah that's cool,I'm gonna babysit them all day
yeah, you do, you mom.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, that's cool.
So, uh, tonight, guys, um, we,I did a test run on instagram
live.
Um, yesterday or the day before, it went decent.
Uh, there's some kinks to workout, but I'm going to try and
add in some Instagram lives andit's just going to be purely for

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Instagram, while Alan figuresout how we can incorporate the
Instagram live while we're doingthis.
So, cause, that's 145,000possible viewers that we're not
getting to and we can't havediscussions with and get some of
the stuff off the ground to tryto expand and follow through
with some of the new ideas andstuff that we're trying to do.

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But I'm reading through thecomments here.
Shotgun and Tattoo said spentthe worst years of my life in
the 313.
If you know, then you know Now,everybody in the 313, throw
your hands in the air and bobwith me.
So well, eminem, I'm not arapper, shotgun, I'm 517.

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That's cool, that's cool, butanyway, guys.
So the point I was trying toget to, trying to do some
Instagram stuff, but, uh, I wantto jump to a video that kind of
sparked some good conversation.
I have talked a lot in in-depthwith police work, so let's get
into the education side ofthings, um, problems with police

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work.
One of the things that we needto fix is the hiring process.
One of the things that I thinkwe don't talk about or there's
no measurement for, is socialskills.
We've got psyche valves, mentalhealth fitness, credit checks,
people checking your friends out, checking your social media

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accounts All of those they'regreat, I think they help, but
the most important one to me isyour social media accounts.
All of those they're great, Ithink they help, but the most
important one to me is yoursocial skills.
How do we measure that?
I don't know.
I've never seen an actualmeasurable test.
I do know there's some testingfor emotional intelligence, or

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EQ, I think they call it.
Emotional intelligence is adumbed down version.
My version a dumbed downversion, the way I understand it
is your ability to recognizewhat triggers you.
You're not just triggers you,but just why you're feeling what
you're feeling.
So if I'm happy, I know whatcauses me to be happy.
If I'm upset, I recognize thatI'm getting upset and I

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recognize what caused me to beupset.
When you have thatself-awareness, you can mitigate
it because ultimately and somepeople don't like this because
they don't likeself-accountability you are in
control of what makes you mad.
You are in control of whatmakes you happy.
You are in control of whatmakes you sad.
That is the whole point ofemotional intelligence is

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learning that you are in controlof what does these things.
So now, that's not to speak forthose that have a chemical
imbalance happening because theyhave some sort of underlying
medical condition.
I'm not referring to that, I'mtalking for most people, and
cops shouldn't be out thereunder some sort of medical
condition like that anyway.
So my point being social skills.

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That is how we help createbetter cops.
Now, when I tell people there'scops that have social skills
issues, some people are no,they're just assholes.
No, no, no, no, no.
They got social skills.
No, no, no, just assholes.
No, no, no, no, no.
They got social skills.
No, no, no, they're ego.
No, no, no, no.
So I'm going to show you a videoand I want you guys, I'm going

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to try to not play my cause.
I did.
I did a video on this and thenI gave my piece on it.
But I'm just going to show thevideo, the reaction part of what
we're watching, and then I'llcut off my part of me talking
and then we'll we'll discussthat this isn't really the body
cam review part, so I'm going toplay it all the way through.
Let me see Share screen.

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What one is it?
Give me one second.
I'm trying to read through allthis crap here.
Oh, there it is Okay, share,we're going to minimize the chat
over here on the side realquick.
This is probably going to bethe better one to do.

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All right, I can't make this.
Maybe I can.
I'm going to hit, play and thentry to make this.
Why social skills matter whenit comes to policing.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
What can I do, sir?
Got your license on you.
Yes, sir, it's in my pocket.
Am I ready for it?
What'd you say it's in mypocket first?
I'm sorry.
What'd you say at first?
Oh, it's in my pocket.
No, no, before that you saidsomething to him, no to me.
I'd say what can I do you for?
What can you do for me?
Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm justjust saying you got your license
.
Yeah, it's in my pocket.
Go ahead and grab it.
No weapons and all that.
I got you stopped because youdidn't use the turn signal.

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Why are you driving like that?

Speaker 5 (10:48):
I got a bad hearing Take your helmet off, sure.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
And then do you have the registration and insurance
for the bike.
Yep, it was hitting the wheel.
It's an Aston Martin, obviously.
I mean, we're trying to mend itback.
That way it's a proper lead.
Do you want to look for yourregistration?
Yeah, that's right, I'll take alook at it.
Do you have a mirror on yourbike?
Yes, I don't have it right now.
Can you take it off so I cansee it?
Sure, what year is this?
22.
Is this a Ducati or a Yamaha?

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This is a Yamaha.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I Young hunt is nice and sincere.
It stood out to me All right.
With that said, I'm going tostop sharing this.
I'll give you guys my take realquick, alan.
Actually I'll let you go first.
What's your take on that?
Was that social skills, rudeego, none of the above.
Did you have no problem with itat all?
You tell me what you think.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think it was a little of both.
I think there was somearrogance involved in uh on the
officer's part, um, and he Idon't think he was listening.
I think he was assuming whatwas being said to him.
Yeah, very quickly I picked upon the bike guy was just like
you know how many times do bikeseven pull over?
First off, right, and then thelike he had.
You know, every time I've everdealt with a uh, a bike guy, it
goes one or two ways and he wason the opposite side of normally

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how I you know.
Normally they just don't talkto you, they're real quiet and
they're pissed off.
And this guy was like he didn'twant to over, like hey, can I
get off the bike?
I didn't have any problem withthis first comment.
That's just people havedifferent ways of saying things

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to you.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, yeah.
So for me, first I'll lean inon the motorcycle rider.
To to your point, alan, mostbikes these days they don't stop
, period.
Um, body language, that is ourbread and butter as police
officers.
If you're staying on the bike,that's a big indicator to me
that and you're leaned back,meaning the bike's off, like

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these are things that you got toknow and you have to read into
as a cop.
If I have a guy leaning forward, constantly looking back,
trying to gauge where I'm at,that's a problem.
That means he's about to run.
It doesn't mean he's going torun, but good indicator.
But I have a guy that's leanedback and is trying to talk with
me isn't being rude.

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It may be hard to hear whathe's saying, so I'll give him
that.
But that's what I'm looking atwhen I'm looking at this officer
or looking at this guy on thebike.
And then he's got cameras allover.
So to me, when I see that, Isee what you know, love it or
hate it.
But to me I'm like, oh,evidence to back up what I'm
doing, because if they try toedit it or do it.
But to me I'm like, oh,evidence to back up what I'm

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doing, because if they try toedit it or do anything, if
something comes out of it, yep,you're going to be able to see
that there's going to be markersand indicators on any footage.
And if he tries to destroy it,well, guess what?
He just destroyed evidence,which is a felony.
So, but we're going down therabbit hole.
But right so, motorcycle guy,fine, no issues with how we,

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with this interaction, startedout.
The officer to me, so one takethat I have on this is like he
acts like prior military, likefresh prior military to young
guy.
He's a stud.
I'll give him that.
I'm not trying to pick him upif my wife's looking, but you

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know he's typical trooper.
Look, I'll give him that.
Yeah, so okay, I let's say hedid just separate from the
military.
This is how we talk.
That is especially in the army,in the marine corps.
That is like to them, thatthat's not being rude, that's
not ego, that's juststraightforward talk.

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So that's kind of one way Ilooked at it.
But that's not what I'm seeing.
What I'm seeing is a personthat can't pick up on social
cues, that has a lack of socialskills and doesn't know how to
turn that switch.
Okay, there's a time to beserious and then there's a time
to relax a little bit.

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I'm not saying, you know, putyourself on the X or act you
know silly, or anything likethat, but the way you talk
dictates how the call goes.
It can dictate how the callgoes.
So if you had a compliant guyand a nice guy the guy on the
bike I think was being all ofthe above the way you talk could

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have switched that.
We're trained to deescalate.
So I'm not saying this cop didanything bad.
I don't think he did anythingtechnically wrong.
No, no, and and that's going topiss some people off oh, you
shouldn't be like that's ego.
That's this, is this okay.
It doesn't mean I'm righteither, but I'm telling you from

(15:52):
my training experience that Idon't.
I don't see him doing anythingtechnically wrong.
He didn't use his hands.
He didn't do anything to thisguy.
He may have wrote a ticket, hemay not have, whatever that is,
but the way he talked could haveescalated things.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, when he was making him search in the very
beginning, when he was makinghim search for an answer,
instead of saying, well, why didyou say this?
Just rephrasing this is what Iheard you say.
I didn't like that Right Usewords.
Words will get you out ofthings instead of sitting here
playing 21 questions.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, and I can't remember what he said at the
beginning.
The saying he said and the guywas like what can I do you for?
That's what it was.
Yeah, I'm like, who hasn'theard that before?
Okay, okay, so you've neverheard that.
But it was weird to make that apoint, like for me.
I would have, just if I hadn'theard that saying before,
probably would have just let itgo anyway.

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It has no bearing on the stop,okay, unless you took it as an
insult, which I think maybe hedid at first take that as an
insult and it was.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
It was kind of delayed like it.
You know, I felt like they wereeven past that in the
conversation when it got broughtup.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So greg, uh elias, and said it's an oshp ohio state
highway patrol trooper.
Okay, um, he said I've workedwith him for 35 years.
That's how they are trained inthe academy.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Um, possible I mean definitely when you get the
picture, when you see him reallyquickly.
Like you said, military slashhighway department, there's a
certain way that in the academythey're trained to hold
themselves in a certain mannerand you can even see the

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military piece of it, like hisuniform is pressed in a
different way.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
You know troopers got to be shit hot man.
That's just the persona theywant.
I'm okay with that.
Yep, not for me.
One of the reasons I wouldn'tand don't want to be a trooper.
I got better things to do thanbe a road pirate.
Oh, you're going to fire him up, right?
Now, there you go.

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I want to get to jeff h'scomment off of uh, I almost said
instagram um linkedin, linkedin.
Thank you, I'm just looking atthe little icon.
It says I n and I'm like it's.
What does that?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
mean, it messes me up every messing with my brain.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
But jeff says implicit bias includes the
subconscious feelings, attitudes, prejudices and stereotypes an
individual has developed due toprior influences and imprints
throughout their lives.
Individuals are unaware of thesubconscious.
Perceptions instead of factsand observations affect their
decision making.
Agreed, I think implicit biasactually affects all of us in a

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small way.
I attribute it to spidey sensesin a way.
It's like when I'm working inan affluent area and all of a
sudden I see a Nissan Altimadrive-thru and it's got paper
tags I would call that criminalprofiling.
But the implicit bias in meimmediately draws to that car.

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I'm like you don't fuckingbelong, yep.
Vice versa, when I'm working inthe hood and I see you know a
brand new Beamer going throughand I'm like that doesn't belong
here, a little out of place, alittle out of place.
And then the next thing I do Ipull them over and it's got you
know, for you know affluent orrich white kids from the college

(19:26):
area coming over, they'retrying to score, or they had
scored.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Where are?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
you headed.
Yeah, they had scored and nowthey're on their way out.
So, like I said, I would callthat criminal profiling
sometimes, but that initial lookand attention draw is because I
had a bias towards a car thatdoesn't fit.
So, um, yeah, uh, I do thinkthat some of the implicit bias

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training, especially with the21st century policing push that
came out under I'm not political, guys, but this was under the
Obama administration Um, I thinkit went too hard in the paint
and, uh, I think it's racialundertones were grossly
misplaced and, um, inappropriatefor what they were trying to
teach.
I'll leave it at that.
Um, that's pretty politicalsounding, wasn't it?

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I'm impressed with myself rightnow.
Only had a half a glass ofsmoke wagon tonight, guys.
So, um, we got a little bit ofeverything tonight.
By the way, I am not sponsoredby them, but I'm drinking a
little liquid death because Ineed some water.
I'm drinking some lovely SmokeWagon the Younger and because
there wasn't much left, as youcan see, I got a backup bottle.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I wouldn't expect any less.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yes.
So to get back to the point ofthis, social skills.
How would you have tested thisguy for this stuff?
How do you do that, mama G?
What lawful law is that, what?
What lawful law is that?
What are we?
Mama G, can you please clarifythat?

(21:02):
I don't know what a lawful lawis.
Did I miss a comment orsomething?
Let me go back.
Could be the cop is on theautism spectrum, that's fair.
My oldest is on that andsometimes she does come across
very sharp and logical.

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I like to describe her as myfemale Spock.
She's super logical and she'sincredibly smart.
Shotguns and Tattoos that's acool name, by the way.
Shotguns and Tattoos.
Like I said, no ego, just nopersonality Fair.

(21:47):
Very military too, too.
A lot of military guys don'thave that.
Tim said you should see thelooks I get driving my 32 year
old ford truck through myuncle's rich hoa neighborhood
been pulled over three.
That's a little different.
That's a classic baby.
That's a classic like we justhad.
Um, a badass, it was a ford.

(22:07):
I think it was a ford and um,it all restored, probably like a
72, maybe in the late 60s.
It was incredible and uh, heyoung hispanic kid had his music
bumping.
But, man, he restored thisthing Gorgeous and we, we put
our hands up like waving and hestopped and he's like, are you

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stopping me?
I was like no man, I justreally like your truck.
And he's like, oh, thank you,thank you.
Yeah, you know, he could tellhe did a lot of work on it.
So bad-ass truck, by the way.
So, but yeah, to get to thispoint, guys, I want to hear from
you all in the comments, like,how do you see part of the
problem with hiring cops?
And we've discussed this before.

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I've told you, guys, you knowwho I think would make some of
the best cops A Starbucksbarista, or what do you call a
male barista?
Is it a baristo?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
You have to Google it .

Speaker 1 (23:04):
A barista?
I'm probably saying that wronganyway.
Uh, a bartender, somebody thatworks in um sales as far as like
any, I guess, any sales thatinvolves face-to-face um, what
do you?
What do you call those peoplethat deal with clothing?
It's the same just okay so it'sso there's no, feminine,

(23:25):
masculine on that no.
Okay.
What do you call it when peoplesell clothing and stuff at the
malls?
It's not sales, but it's calledsomething else.
I'm blanking on the word, jamie.
Look that up for me, it's a JoeRogan joke for you.
Yes.
I'm blanking on that freakingword.

(23:46):
Somebody in the comments, helpme out, help me out, help me out
.
Kiosk.
No damn, I'm in, not apparel.
I feel like it begins with an amama g said daryl brooks,
sovereign citizen trial.
I watched, sorry.
My question was why pull thoseguys over in the first place?

(24:08):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Depends maybe a bike.
He recognizes one that runs.
It may be.
You know like it looked.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Like he didn't have a plate on that vehicle I think
that was what he was questioning, because he was like well, it
just hits under there, yeah, andso if you've ever worked on one
, it does have a a strangebracket, and so sometimes you
know, if you hit a hard bump itdoes get bent retail.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Thank you, perry, got me perry sales sales retail
associate or retail, that's whatI meant to say was retail,
being in retail.
Uh, country girl said bartendersneed to learn to gauge every
temperament and personality.
Not only that, they need to beable to read.
Is this person too intoxicated?
Do I have to cut them off?
Are they on something you know?

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Are they gonna?
Are they gonna cut on the bill?
Are they gonna run?
You know, dine and dash, stufflike that.
Yeah, bartenders will be badasscops.
One of my best friends on thedepartment is he was a bartender
before he became a cop and heended up being a great cop.
Um, chick-fil-a employees astraffic cops.
Yeah, every time they give youa ticket is my pleasure, my

(25:24):
pleasure.
They would get complained on ahundred times more, did you?
imagine being the supervisor ofthat, oh he said what he was
happy to give you a ticket myfuck my pleasure.
That wouldn't work out too well.
You didn't think that onethrough shotguns and tattoos?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
uh, joyce, hey, the positive thing is they wouldn't
work out too well you didn'tthink that one through shotguns
and tattoos, uh, joyce, hey, thepositive thing is they wouldn't
.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You wouldn't have to worry about a ticket on sunday
um, joyce wellman, yes, you'reright, it was edited and I
edited it.
That was my edited version wassped up because I needed to make
time, uh, meet time constraints.
That that's not my point.
It doesn't matter how much youcut that up.
It's the way he's talking, it'sthe tone, the way the questions

(26:13):
are asked.
That's the part I was trying topoint out.
But, yes, full transparency.
You're 100% right, that wasedited, for sure.
Even the bike guy that I got itfrom had put it out.
Um, that was edited, but thatwasn't.
My point of the video was to tomake the cop look bad,
intentionally, and I don't knowif that's what this guy was

(26:35):
trying to do.
My point was, when I looked atit, the way he was talking, it
was like oh, this is a guy thatdoesn't have the greatest social
skills.
That's how I saw it and andthere was one.
So when I try to say lackingsocial skills, this is what I'm

(26:55):
referring to.
Like I said, I don't think hedid anything wrong.
I just think the way he talkedcould cause shit.
Yep, you know, imagine havingthat same tone and attitude.
Attitude, and we're trying towork on a domestic.
I don't want the guy like thatI'm like hey, dude, I got this.
You just watch my six, I'll bethe talker.

(27:17):
You go stand right over there.
Yeah, you guys know me, I am atalker.
So Barbara Hempel, I know it'sBarbara.
I like saying Barbara, keepbeing you.
I don't know if she's talkingto me or you.
Alan David Edmondson said mypleasure.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So I put that one up from Ozark Moon.
Sorry, I had to Google it.
So special needs trust L.
I don to Google it.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
So special needs trust.
I don't even know what that?
What are we referring to?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
S-N-T special needs trust I never heard of that.
It was earlier in the chat, soI had to show my copnism with
all our acronyms.
I had to go and Google whatthat acronym was.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Freeman Keyes said departments should require
social skills.
Bartenders retails departmentshould require social skills.
Bartenders retails.
These kids need social skills.
They do and they're gettingworse.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're getting worse so yeah, you can't talk to each
other like you do on thatheadset on the video game oh
hell, no, jesus, I, I, I gamefrom time to time, especially on
pc.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Pc is a lot better, pc is a lot better, but I've
been on and the things that comeout of these kids it's almost
that's part of the entertainment.
It's just seeing and hearingthe shit that these kids are
going to come up with out oftheir mouth and they're used to
talking that way.
I am looking forward to the daywhen how you talk on your gamer

(28:42):
chat is sent to someplace.
You try to get employed and ifyou don't think that
information's not beingharvested, it's being harvested.
I promise you Somebody isharvesting that information.
They're going to use it againstyou some way.

(29:03):
Somehow you are not gettingaway talking like that on game
chat.
Troops have always this is frommy mom troops have always had
huge egos, yet they don't have aclue of what real cop in the

(29:26):
Air Force.
When you talk to Air Force copsthey think that they're ready
from being a military cop tojump right into police work on
the outside in the civilianworld and they don't translate.
You're not ready.
And it's kind of a wake-up callwhen they get to work the few

(29:46):
that get to work with me, whichmy report date is February 24th.
So you guys are going to have amonth of uncertainty on this
show because the guys are goingto have to run most of the stuff
while I'm gone.
I will try to jump on when Ican.
I just don't know how wellthat's going to work out.
I don't know what type ofInternet connection I'm going to

(30:12):
have, all that stuff.
But to the point, uh, militarycops think that they are ready
to go out the gate and they cancome be, uh, regular police
officers in the in the civilianworld, and it just doesn't
translate.
You.
There's a lot of training andshit you got to go through
because one on the base you canpull over whoever you want, for
whatever reason you want.
So is that your dog shaking?
Yeah, that's dabby the greatdane.
Oh, dude, dude, guess what?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
yeah, I got my ball oh no, my wife got up so she
thinks she's gonna.
Oh, I got you, she's got tocome and inspect the house.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Wade Lucero said Fusion Center harvests
everything.
Mm-hmm, yep, yep.
All right.
So from there we've gone about30 minutes, we'll get into the
body cam review.
So for those that are notfamiliar, I go through this
every time.
First and foremost, before weget to that, I want to show off

(31:03):
this poppin' retro rifle shirtthat I'm wearing and then the
one that Alan's wearing.
I believe Alan's got the HappyGilmore one on tonight.
I do, sir.
We've officially struck anaccord with Retro Rifle.
They don't pay us, but they'regoing to start sending us some
shirts.
We have bragged about themenough.
They're going to start sendingus some shirts.

(31:23):
So hopefully, everybody you seeon the two cops, one donut cast
uh, will be wearing retro rifleshirts here in the future.
So we're looking forward tothat.
Um, so go to retro rifle guys,pick you up what I like to call
a hawaiian shirt with guns andpop culture and, uh, see how
they work for you.
Um, let them know.

(31:44):
Two caps, one donut sent youand I'll tell you, like uh.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
One of the reasons why I like them so much is, uh,
because I do a lot of travel andwhen I pull them out of my
luggage they are not wrinkledyes, they never, they wrinkle
like and it's, and it'scomfortable, it, it, it wears
well, honest.
It's the wrinkle part.
When I pull it out of the bag,I don't have to worry about the

(32:09):
steamer and all that kind ofstuff.
I can just put it on and go.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yep.
And then one of the cool partsand I know, guys, it's such a
stupid way to advertise, but theshow does cost us.
It costs us money, it costs usthings.
So we're trying.
And does cost us.
It costs us money, it costs usthings.
We're trying.
We try to put it in in a funway rather than a forced way.
Another thing I really like isI'm professional.
Right now my collar is buttonedup, but if I want to be not

(32:35):
professional, then I just let mycollar down by unbuttoning it.
If I can unbutton it, there wego.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I just lost your buddy.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, my mic.
I hit the cord.
I heard it go out in myheadphones.
That's why I like wearing them.
And then you can go with arelaxed so if you're on the
beach you can wear it down.
And if you're in a businessmeeting and you're wearing one
of these shirts, you're evenmore of Mike type of guy.
If you wear these to a businessmeeting, he said y'all should

(33:13):
be in real retail associate.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Cause the word we couldn't figure out.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Country girl said I still want the teeth, the two
cots, one donut, big fat hoodie.
I know I actually ran acrossone of those hoodies today.
He said you gonna pop yourcollar.
Ever since I can remember I'vebeen popping my collar, popping
my collar.
I won't sing the second linebecause it's not appropriate for
a police officer.

(33:42):
For those that don't think Ilisten to rap, test me, test me
listen to it regularly.
I need a refill here.
But all right, as I pour tellme what y'all are drinking
tonight.
Anybody else partaking in anadult beverage?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I know alan's probably not no, I'm, I'm
standing with Alan right now.
I have some nice iced tea.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Okay, I like it, I like it.
Freeman Key said Eric and Alan,you do what you need to.
We love your content and thoseare damn nice shirts.
Thank you, man, I appreciatethat.
Tim said I own some loud shirts.
You would love them.
Hey, not every one of them areloud.
I got my harambe shirt.
Uh, it's, it's black, it's allblacked out, it's very subtle.

(34:31):
Um, you have to get close.
I got some hawaiian shirts thatare kind of loud, but you, you
sorry, my aquarium just wentnuts.
I'll be back all right, it'sfine, um, anyway, guys.
So the point that I was gettingto is for those that have never

(34:52):
done this show and don't knowwhat we're about.
We like to review body camvideos, but rather than monday
morning quarterback and be like,oh, this cop fucked up here, he
should have done this, shouldhave done done that, or this
citizen did all these thingswrong, we want to give you a
different look.
We want to give you how ourtraining goes, what we see as

(35:12):
the call develops.
It's easy to figure out at theend.
Well, I shouldn't say it's easy, but it's easy to come to a
conclusion at the end and becompletely off on your thinking
because you didn't know what wasgoing through the cop's mind as
the call developed.
So I think that understandingof how I'm looking at a call as

(35:33):
it goes through helps give you abetter insight and helps us
bridge that gap.
So you can kind of see wherewe're coming from.
Now we'll discuss, as we'regoing, some problems that y'all
may have or some agreements thatyou have.
You know you'd be like, oh okay, see, I didn't think of it that
way.
Or, you know, why didn't thecop in the common?
Why didn't the cop shoot him inthe leg there.
Why did the cop use his gun andnot a taser?

(35:54):
You know we'll discuss thosethings, ask questions.
This is part of the.
The whole part, uh point ofthis is the interaction side,
because your guys's comments iswhat makes me a better cop, and
I'm a field supervisor in patrol, so what you guys end up
teaching me along the way,unbeknownst to y'all, is I take

(36:16):
what I learned from you guys andpress that onto my guys.
So it's it's fun how thisworked out.
I intended on doing thisbecause I thought I was going to
teach you all something, butyou all ended up teaching me a
lot, so it's been really fun inthat aspect.
So just know, what you guyshave done, by us participating
in this together, has made me abetter cop.

(36:38):
I think I haven't been firedyet, so that's a bonus, right?
So let's see.
Let's's keep going here.
We're going to share the screen,um, and all right, pause, pause
, pause.
Okay, share that beautiful um.

(36:58):
First and foremost, shout outto police activity.
This is where we exclusivelyget all of our videos.
It seems I have several othersources, but I never get to them
because police activity haseverything we need.
So please give them credit.
Um, go to police activity onYouTube like subscribe, do all
the things with them.
They are sitting currently at6.3, 8 million subscribers, um,

(37:25):
which is, you know, it's prettyclose to what we got, um, so
they've got that going for them.
This video was, I believe,uploaded seven hours ago, the
one we're about to watch.
So, um, country girl said thisshow has softened my opinion of
LEOs.
That's awesome.
I mean, that's middle ground.

(37:46):
That's all I can ask for.
That is a victory to me If Ican turn somebody's heart.
That was like I hate cops, like, alright, I still hate cops,
but these two guys are cool.
That's a win.
The fact that we have, Iconsider, a full classroom, 30
or more.
We consistently have 30 or morepeople on watching all the

(38:08):
every time we do these lives.
Tonight, the only channels thatare on are mine.
We don't even have Matt'spolice law news Banning's.
We don't have anybody else'schannels linked up tonight.
So we're sitting showingcurrently on restream, which
doesn't track our YouTubenumbers very well.
Um, so I think we have.

(38:29):
We're probably sitting at maybea thousand people.
It's not too bad.
So let's uh, let's, biggie sizethis guy.
There we go and um, so this iswhat I'm going to do, guys, guys
, because I've been, I've gottensome critiques that we go down
too many rabbit holes and wedon't get through the video.

(38:50):
So what I'm gonna do is, I mean, alan, are gonna go back and
forth, but we're gonna getthrough the whole video and then
we're gonna get to y'all'scomments.
So, alan, if you can pin somecomments when you see them, okay
, but I am going to go throughright now and hit play.
We have not seen these videos,okay, okay.

(39:15):
So for me this looks like it waspossibly a traffic stop that
led into a parking lot, or itwas a wanted car and they
happened to pass by it and seeit in the parking lot.
We're going to make a contactwith it.
That's me not knowing any ofthe background.

(39:35):
So for me, if this is a trafficstop and all of a sudden it
starts to do one of thesenumbers, I'm retreating, I'm
going back to my car.
The reason being is I do notwant to get put into a position
where I've created an exigentcircumstance, which means I
don't want to create a deadlyforce situation here because of

(39:59):
me.
If I can get out of the way andget to my car, then that's just
what I'm going to have to do,because I don't have any other
information right now.
If there's a wanted homicidesuspect in there, okay, that's
different, but I don't know that.
So for me, I'm going to go backto my car, I'm going to try to
get in there and then, if I haveto pursue this guy, if I can
pin him up against the wall,whatever it is, that's an option

(40:23):
.
What do you think, alan?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
no, I completely agree.
I got sidetracked so I didn'tsee the very beginning.
So okay.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So he makes contact with the car, he starts to get
out, and then the car juststarts to pull up and it looks
like he's trying to do the uhyou know seven point turn to get
out of that entrapment, um, andit looks like the cop's about
to uh try to punch the window oropen the door or do something
probably dumb in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, I think I would stay back by my car.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, he looks young.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Wait for him to wreck out or something.
Yeah, he looks young.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
So nothing against young officers, but y'all do
some dumb shit.
Well, that's how they learn.
Yep, it is.
Oh, he's going to break it open.
Oh, he did Good for you.
Yeah, you got to get out ofhere.
He's in that car.
Okay, so we had multiple units,which tells me something

(41:20):
different.
Now I want to point out, guys Iknow that the title of this
video is floating somewheretowards the top of the screen.
I don't read it.
I intentionally try not to evenlook up there because I don't
want to know shit about thevideo.
I want to go just off of whatwe see and kind of tell you how
we would handle this call as itgoes.
So for me now, knowing that Igot multiple units, power of

(41:45):
deduction, this is a wantedperson because we've got two
guys out and then somebody's inthis patrol car, maybe multiple,
maybe a two-man unit.
So they're wanted for something.
I don't know what it is.
This all comes down todepartment policy, now what
we're looking at.

(42:06):
I can't do what this guy justdid unless this is like a
homicide suspect.
It has to be a wanted, likeaggravated felon, like it's
gotta be a violent felon for meto do what this guy just did.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, and, and I get that, but you're only once.
Once the contact's made, you'reonly going to get written up
once.
So I'm gonna die.
That car's gonna get stoppedwith my vehicle.
I mean, I I'm not gonna do whatthis guy did either, but, um,
you know, once we're we've donethat, then I'm gonna use my

(42:39):
vehicle to pin that car as bestI can yeah, so we got some
policy violation possibly here.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
The kid that broke the window out option, that's an
option.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Okay.
So have you ever swung yourbaton and tried to hit a window
with it?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yes, but I knew what I was doing.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, I watched, I've done it, and so I watched
another guy recently do it andwatched the baton hitting back
in the forehead.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yes, yes, okay.
So for those who don't know thewindow, you want to aim for the
corners.
You aim in the middle.
It's coming back at you andeven if you hit the corners, you
got to gotta hit it right, yougotta hit it right.
So, um, I played baseball,hockey, uh, you know any stupid

(43:35):
sport I played all.
I was an athlete growing up.
So for me, I've broken severalwindows with batons, but broke
them first try with the training, knowing what I was doing.
I've also broke them with theglass break on a pocket knife,
and that is where I did not knowand had to learn the lesson the

(43:57):
hard way, that your hand'sgoing to continue to go through
the glass.
It doesn't just hit and stop.
So I learned to start using mythat glass.
Punch in my baton like a littlechisel and and pop it that way.
So let's keep going here.
Oh, we got another car, oh lord.

(44:22):
Oh, we got another car, oh Lord.
There you go.
Now he's done.
All right, from here it's afelony stop.
The instinct for cops is to runup on this car.
You can't do it.
I don't know.
My guess is that's a frontwheel drive vehicle, so just

(44:42):
because those rear wheels arelifted off doesn't mean this car
is out of the fight yet.
So a felony stop means we'regoing to open our doors, we're
going to loud hell.
Driver, turn off the car.
Turn off the car.
Show us your hands, show usyour hands.
We're going to be yelling thatfrom cover and we're all going
to fan out.
So that that would, to me,would be the next move.
Um, and you need to beanticipating.

(45:04):
They're going to rabbit,meaning they're going to run.
So that's the next thing you'vegot to be ready for.
The main focus is always thedriver.
So I'm hoping you've got somecheetahs ready for the driver
and the passenger tries not togo too far.
The smart passengers don'tleave the car.
Oh, this is a different view.

(45:29):
Same thing Get out of the car.
Get out of the car.
I am, I am, I am the past.
Just kind of give up.
You can see that there.
So now you've got to somethingto point out.
Now you've got an innocentvictim.
Yep, that's the only way we cansee this, because she's trying.
I I don't want nothing to dowith this.

(45:49):
Like you can hear her.
I'm trying to get out.
I'm trying to get out.
This guy's not allowing it.
So now we definitely have afelony.
We I mean whatever this is isalready a felony, but we've got
an innocent person that's stuck.
Now we don't have a choice.
We would have had to chase thatcar till the wheels fell off.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yep, because we've got changes everything.
Yeah, this is a hostage.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yep, there's a rolling hostage.
That's the way I see this.
So, and I promise guys, we'repinning your questions and stuff
as we go, we're going to get tothose as soon as this video is
over.
Look at that car.

(46:30):
It's got some balls for being alittle sick.
Whatever, it is okay.
So the approach to the car nowto me is appropriate, because
we've got a hostage.
You got to get up there, youdon't?
The window of opportunity wasthere, you had to take it.
I'm with these guys.
I would have done the samething.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Well, and they've also, you know, being in the
place they were at, they've seenin the vehicle and you know
he's been pretty busy.
So you're going to be less,he's going to be less inclined
to be able to get to a gun inthat amount of time.
Right, Yep, to be able to getto a gun in that amount of time
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yep, you're right.
All right, let's keep going.
Let go, dude.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Let go.
Let go.
Okay, get him in custody.
Did he just do a handcuff incustody in the car?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Let me go back.
I love that.
I think he was out of the car.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Okay, yeah he's on the ground.
Let go, because that training,where you do it even as the
seatbelt's coming undone, is thenext best thing.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Okay, Now I'm heading over to our pinned comments.
My mom said the internet'sacting up on her phone.
You guys on the biggie side.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I didn't realize that was a thing yeah, we've got to
go to armies and get them to uhum, tim said yo, brian ewing, uh
, is my real life.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Brother say hi guys.
Oh, what's up, brian, how youdoing?
Brother, welcome to the show.
I'm glad tim brought you on.
Make sure you go to our youtubechannel like subscribe.
Go to all the other things likesubscribe, follow whatever it
is.
You know what the kids say.
Shotguns and tattoos said cool,cool, cool.
Fyi, I have both shotguns andtattoos.
That's what I'm talking about.
I should be unpinning these asI go, I guess.

(48:16):
Yeah, give me one second.
Here I'm going through.
Hit it hard in the squeal like alittle girl.
Bre, hit it hard in the squeallike a little girl Breaks every
time.
True, mama G said last week,like five hours long and Eric
got toasted.
I did that shit.
Hit me hard fast.
He said two weeks ago Eric hada weak timeout from YouTube for

(48:37):
fair use ban.
Yeah, I got banned because avideo I posted in May of a
traffic accident.
It was just a funny little clip.
I didn't even say anything onit, I just kind of took it and
re-shared it and it was somebodyhad an accident on just a
regular roadway, like rightbefore an intersection, like a

(48:58):
traffic light, and so as thecar's going by the guy's like,
hey, you can't park there, funnyright, they're all standing
around their little car accident.
Well, the person he says thatto pulls out a gun and shoots it
twice in the air.
I don't know how many times Ishot it, but anyway, all the
crap we have on here, and forsome reason that got me a strike
back in May.

(49:19):
So I try to avoid that crap andI still don't know what I did
wrong.
I don't know what I did wrong.
I don't know how to fix it.
Now I'm really nervous, so I'mtrying to play it safe on just
about everything, because wecan't afford another strike.
Another strike is going to bean even longer time off, longer
than a week.

(49:39):
Country Girl says I want an RVto travel, do videos and feed
and help homeless too.
I sold my property and want totravel, do videos and feed and
help homeless too.
I sold my property and want totravel.
That would be awesome, thatwould be very awesome.
I think that's admirable forsure.
Um, shotguns and tattoos oh no,eric, I just got my bill a
glass break pen for forchristmas.

(50:00):
Oh, there you go, the the thingto remember for the glass break
stuff if it's one that requiresyou to strike.
You either want to have a gloveon with something to cover your
arm or something to strike it,just to tap it.
You could even use the back ofyour phone, your wallet or
whatever.
It doesn't have to be anythingcrazy, it doesn't take a lot of
pressure.
So you hold that striker upthere and just give it a good

(50:22):
pop.
I don't know, I've never doneit with my hand like this.
It might work, but I wouldsuggest something sturdy.
Let me see here.
Ozark said so much for felonystop.
They just ran right up to itand yanked his butt out.
Hey, sometimes you go againstthe grain.
You've got to just go with yourgut and go with what you think

(50:45):
will work.
If it works, everybody's coolwith it, but the moment it
doesn't, everybody's going tohave it's your ass.
You're the one that gets to betit.
So Wade Lucero said I'm here tokeep you in line, but this I
have to say it's clean, allright, fair enough, fair enough,

(51:05):
I like it.
Said I'm here to keep you inline, but this I have to say
it's clean, all right, fairenough, fair enough, I like it.
You know what.
I want to give a shout out tothe guys that do come here to to
cause a ruckus, notintentionally, just to cause
shit, but to push, to push theenvelope, because you gotta us
cops.
So all you cops out therelistening, you have to
understand we're in a fuckingfishbowl.
We are in a fishbowl.

(51:26):
You're surrounded by cops allthe time.
They're all wearing fucking gas, can Oakleys, punisher tattoos
with thin blue lines goingthrough the Punisher tattoo,
like that is your world okay.
You need people that don't likecops.
You need people that mistrustcops.
You need people that mistrustcops.

(51:46):
You need people that maybethink cops are okay.
If you surround yourself withlike-minded people, you are
never going to improve andyou're going to only perpetuate
the reasons why these peopledon't like you.
And some of you may say well,why do I give a shit if they
like me?
Because that's who you work for.
I mean, I will push against thegrain a little bit.

(52:08):
Yes, we understand, we work foryou guys, but at the same time,
you're not my boss.
I've had this argument.
You're not my boss.
My sergeant's my boss.
My chief is definitely my boss.
The general public is not myboss, just like you don't own my
patrol car.
That's another favor to my eye.
This is mine.
I paid for this.

(52:29):
Yes, your tax dollars did helppay for it, but it ain't yours,
matter of fact.
If you were to try to get in itor take anything out of it,
you've committed a crime.
That's how I know.
It's not yours.
So that's where we get intothis and that's how we keep
things honest.
And uh, andy fletcher saidthat's what we don't, that's

(52:51):
what we don't hate.
Eric, maybe, eric, maybe.
Maybe that's what andy meant.
Appreciate it, I don't.
I don't want to be hated.
Um rico said I'm not going tobutcher your last name, brother
Nunyevich.
I think I nailed that.
I think you did.
But do any of your shotgunshave tattoos?

(53:12):
None of my shotguns havetattoos.
I don't trust cops and I livewith one.
That's the best.
My wife would probably agreewith you.
That's funny Going.
My wife would probably agreewith you.
That's funny.
Oh, going to the comments again, they are being recorded and
they still disrespect and onlydo the wrong.

(53:33):
It does drive me insane, andy,and I'm with you on the.
It all comes down to training.
I actually had thisconversation.
I already posted that one Iknow.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, I was trying to unclick the star.
Oh, I guess.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It drives me insane.
It's 2025, and we still gotcops out there.
We're talking about FirstAmendment auditing.
You can't film here, you can'tdo this.
I'm like, how is this still aproblem?
Do this?
I'm like, how is this still how?
How is this still a problem?
I mean, I I know a lot of youknow police podcasts out there

(54:12):
that to put out the same info Ido.
I'm not saying that I'm thebest at it, but you know matt
thornton, he's been running thecause for a long time.
Police uh law news.
You know, with daniel he's beendoing he will call out stupid
shit and give you the law toback it up.
So it's crazy, like you know.
To Andy's point, you're beingrecorded and you're still

(54:34):
screwing up, and that's where Ifall back.
That it's a training issue,guys.
I think ego comes into play onsome of it because you're
pushing back and cops are soused to people just going with
the flow which don't get mewrong, please.
That's in a perfect world forme.
I wish that's how it was, ifpeople would just say hey,

(55:01):
officer, I understand thatyou're trying to ID me right now
, but that goes against my FirstAmendment rights and I want to
let you know I protest that butI'm going to comply.
Holy shit, if I saw a videolike that and you go to court,
the judge is going to just meltthe judge is going to melt and
be like holy shit and going tolook at that cop and be like

(55:24):
you're fucked, you're going tolose?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Why did you fill out that piece of paper Like what?
Are you a moron?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
One of my favorites that I've been seeing more and
more recently.
Damn it, I can't remember hisname.
All of a sudden I blanked.
I'm sorry, he'll know who I'mtalking about.
He doesn't talk.
He goes out and he FirstAmendment audits and he just
doesn't talk and I'm like, oh mygod, brilliant, because now you
can't even get mad at him.
He's not talking.
You can't get mad at that.

(55:54):
It's a brilliant strategy.
And he's gotten people toarrest him and I'm just sitting
back and I'm like, well, you'refucked.
Not only did you just give thisguy an easy lawsuit like you're
fired, rightfully so, yep,you're done Like bye, too bad,
so sad, I don't, and it goesback to ego.

(56:17):
So I want to give you guys kindof a what we're doing?
Something coming down the linewe got to iron in the fire.
We are creating.
I shouldn't say we're doingsomething coming down the line
we got to iron in the fire.
We are creating.
I shouldn't say we're creating.
It's a class that's been createdby my buddy, george Lopez.
He is an officer where I'm at.
He created this class becauseof what we've been talking about

(56:38):
the ego taking over and we'regoing to create a little mini
series on our YouTube channel.
So every time you see a cop ora department where their ego
gets in the way, instead of justbitching about it, you can say
hey, go to this YouTube channel,it's free.
Here is a little mini series onhow to train to stop ego in a

(57:01):
police department, because whereI work which I can't talk about
we actually teach an ego classnow, and that is directly
because of what we're doing here.
So you've already affectedchange y'all it's that hopefully
spreads like wildfirethroughout police departments.
That was the whole purpose ofwhat we're doing and why we do

(57:21):
what we do is to help createbetter cops.
Hey, you do know your camerafollows your movement, right?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I just, you know, I didn't want to sneeze in the
good mic, so uh, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
It looked like you're trying to get off camera.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Last week I spent a lot of time in scottsdale and,
um, we were, we were in a mobilecommand structure and so we're
set up in these two differenttrailers that are in the middle
of the road but the road deadends at Ballfield.
They went in and put all thesebarricades and things up and

(57:57):
we're at the morning briefingand all of a sudden there's this
guy standing there and one ofthe analysis people sitting
behind me is like, hey, somebodygo talk to that guy.
Well, it was a actual.
He was, you know, auditing andthe sergeant did a great job.
He just went and talked to theguy and was like hey, you can't

(58:19):
be here right now.
And he's like, no, I'm in thepublic street.
And he's like, yeah, but youcrossed the barricade, so you
need to go stand on the otherside of the barricade.
And the dude did and he startedrecording and you know, it was
just interesting to watch all ofthe different officers and I
would say 90% of them.

(58:40):
You know, just let it go.
And there was two or three ofthem that was like trying to ag
it on and I'm like guys like youknow, yeah now, but I mean he
stood there so he went to everyone of the command structures so
there was four for the eventaround town, and he went and

(59:01):
spent a day at every one of them, and so this group of people
had just come on for the week,and so they they didn't get the
breakdown until they went tocommand and were like, oh, he's
already been ID'd and you knowall these things, and so Rico
Nunevich said if I, if I getpulled over and a shaved head,

(59:25):
25 yearold approaches my truck,I just think, here we go.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, you ain't wrong , you ain't wrong.
Freeman Keyes said Eric, Ireally hope that class gets to
every department in the country,as do I, and I hope it gets
credited to George, because I'mdefinitely going to Guys.
He's one of the reasons Ibecame the type of instructor I
am.
Um, if you ever hear me saybits of soup, chunks of soup or

(59:50):
anything like that, um, he's whoI got that from.
I'll give you a quick example,day one.
Now, mind you, I'm already apurple belt in jujitsu.
I've been a box and judo Like Iam.
I am a defensive tactics orcontrol tactics nut.
I've been doing it for years.

(01:00:11):
It's one of the reasons I don'thave uses of force.
In my opinion, I rarely get inthem.
I become an instructor and I'man instructor for control
tactics.
I'm out on the deck.
It's my first day, it's myclass.
I'm like all right, I'm goingto teach these guys shuffle step
.
Now, for those that don't know,shuffle step is literally

(01:00:31):
standing up on your feet in afighting stance and having your
hands up however you want to doit.
Usually we teach them with openhands and you just shuffle
forward, just one quick step andI just hit a blank.
I'm like, hey guys, you knowI'm the instructor Levine today.

(01:00:51):
Today we're going to go overshuffle step.
Shuffle step is a maneuver thatyou will use to close the
distance or create distance withsomebody, but maintaining, you
know, a fighting stance, abalanced stance.
And so today, here's ShuffleStep and I get out there and I'm
trying to demonstrate, but I'msupposed to talk through it and

(01:01:14):
my mind goes blank and I'm likenow, george being my backup, I'm
like the thing about ShuffleStep is I got Officer Lopez here
.
He's going to come help you outand explain Sh, shuffle step
and he jumps in no questionsasked.
He was ready for it, he does it.
And then, after all therecruits you know they they

(01:01:34):
shower up, go to the locker roomand whatnot.
Then he lets me have it.
He never, he never wouldembarrass me in front of the
recruits, which is a goodstrategy.
I learned that from him as well.
And and he's oh man, he gave meso much shit for that.
He's like Shuffle Step, ReallyAll the stuff you know.
And you fucked up Shuffle Step,and so they made pictures.
They took pictures of me andthey're like question mark,

(01:01:56):
question mark, and it just saidShuffle Step underneath, oh, it
was so funny.
But no, george is a greatinstructor so I want to film him
doing it.
I don't want to teach it, Iwant him to do it.
So when you guys see George,I'm hoping to get him.
Aw, it's nighttime.
I'm hoping when George retiresbecause he's real close to

(01:02:18):
retiring, if not sooner we canget him to be a part of what we
do on instructional stuff.
Bring him in as a guestinstructor and things like that.
Big shout-out to George Wadesaid class won't help much
because we can't talk about thetruth.
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I would disagree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
we can't talk about the truth.
Some real talk happens duringclass.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Oh yeah, and the best part about when you have a good
class put together, wade, thatyou don't get to see is the
video after video after video ofthe example of what you're
about to teach.
So that's how we like to leadthat shit up is when I teach a
class and when I make a classand again, I learned this from
George.
So if this gets around, this ishow this is going to be is

(01:03:07):
showing the examples Boom, boom,boom, boom, boom.
So you can't say that itdoesn't exist in policing, so
it's a hard pill to swallow.
I think that's kind of whatyou're getting to, where it's a
hard pill to swallow, but ithappens.
So now, here it is.
Now, how do we fix it?
It's a problem.
How do we fix it?
Just like backpedaling.
We try to explain to officerswhen you backpedal from a

(01:03:30):
suspect, you are more likely toget hurt, injured or killed.
And then you show them videoafter video of a cop getting
severely injured or killed andthe biggest downfall is because
they ran straight backwardsinstead of getting off the X to
the sides.
So it's a hard pill to swallow.
Cops don't like to sit thereand talk about it.
I watched people quit in theacademy because they watched an

(01:03:54):
officer get killed on video.
So, yes, we do face hard truthswhen we do training, but that's
with good training.
Not everybody gets the sametraining I get, so that's one of
the things we're trying to fix.
That's one of the biggest youwant to talk about elephants in
the room Wade Disparity intraining.
The training I get isn't thetraining that everybody else

(01:04:15):
gets and the training that I getdoesn't necessarily fit for the
policing culture in anothercity or state.
What we get trained here in NewYork or in New York, in Texas,
isn't going to work in New Yorkand California.
Nope, it doesn't fit theirculture.
And if you really want to getinto the weeds and talk about

(01:04:36):
the criminal justice system, howmany criminal justice systems
are there?
Is there just one?
Nope, you got to break it downby county, by city.
There's 18,000 plus differentcriminal justice systems.
That's a fucking problem.
If you really think about it.

(01:04:58):
You want to know why it's sodifferent everywhere else, why
there's all these disparities.
You got 18,000 plus differentjust state law issues because
their criminal justice system,because then we didn't even get
into the federal side.
I don't know the numbers on thefederal side so well, I can
speak for my county alone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Um, the last sexual assault that we took to court
was over a million dollars inprocessing of that and you know.
So they had to choose to dropother cases and things like that
because one person wanted totheir rights to take something
to court and the county couldn'tafford it yeah, yeah, money.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
You defund the police .
You want to defund?
Holy shit.
I tried to tell people one ofthe best ways that we can fix
law enforcement is pay themBecause, historically, if you
want to look at the departmentsthat had major corruption, go
through and I always go to NewOrleans and I'm not trying to
pick on New Orleans, but theyhad a major corruption issue go

(01:06:01):
on with them in the 90s whereshit they were protecting drug
dealers and stuff and then youstart looking at the root causes
behind some of that stuff Poorfunding, they weren't getting
paid, shit.
They are susceptible tocorruption, but the places that
aren't are the ones that aregetting paid, because I'm not
going to let some shitty copruin my good thing, where I'm

(01:06:27):
treated like a professional.
This is a profession.
I'm so invested into thisprofession.
I'm creating a podcast, I'mconstantly watching videos, I'm
checking out case law.
I'm doing all of these thingsbecause I love what I do, but
there's a lot of cops that don't.
There's a lot of cops that dothe bare minimum.
My question is why are theydoing the bare minimum?

(01:06:48):
That's the stuff we got to getto the bottom of, and I don't
think it's necessarily becauseof who they are as a person.
I think they've been beatendown that way because I think a
lot of people signed up to dothis job because they really
wanted to help people.
They had some reason.
I don't think it's because theywere picked on in high school
and they wanted to get somecomebacks.

(01:07:08):
Maybe one out of a millionslipped through like that.
But no, I don't think thatthat's the main thing.
So Harrison Brock said everyoneshould have a general
understanding of theConstitution of the United
States.
Agreed, agreed.
I don't think that theconstitution should be block
trained.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Well, and I think you know not getting into politics
and all that kind of stuff, butI think this is where we don't
even talk about that stuff inschool anymore.
Before we even talk about goingto law enforcement Like I
remember taking us history andyou know it's I worked for a
school district that kind ofstuff is not harped on like it

(01:07:50):
was when we were in school.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Right, yeah, and.
And so, one of the ways, my oneof my nephews is on here
watching, and he's young, so, um, you should not be watching
this show, connor.
I appreciate the support, butyour uncle swears a lot on here.
Um, sorry, that threw me off.
What was the point I was tryingto get to?

(01:08:14):
um school and uh knowing theconstitution, constitution,
thank you, um, so with theconstitution, I think the way
that you train your cops in theConstitution is you do your
block training, because youcan't stick on it forever, but
it becomes a part of everythingyou do from there on out,
throughout the academy.
So it doesn't just get taughtand then it's stopped.

(01:08:36):
Here's the problem with theConstitution.
Y'all in police work, knowingthe Constitution and then
practically applying it is veryhard.
People think that everything'sblack and white.
Well, that's against theConstitution.
It's up to interpretation.
That's why the courts are inplace.
If the Constitution was thateasy, we wouldn't have that many

(01:09:02):
court cases.
But what ends up happening iswe interpret the constitution
one way, you interpret anotherway, and then we have to go to
court to figure out who wasright in that instance.
So, yes, cops need to know theconstitution I'm with you, and
it needs to be continued.
So how do we?
How do we improve it?
The point that I'm getting tois practical application.

(01:09:24):
As you keep going through theacademy, train it, get that shit
, maybe first and foremost oneof your first classes and then
every time you have a scenario,you make them quote the
Constitution.
Okay, how does this apply?
How does this scenario apply tothe Constitution?
All right, we had a guy thatwas out here videotaping in
front of the hospital and thecops got called Cool, go handle

(01:09:45):
it.
All right, I went out there,sir, um, you know, can I get
your ID, name and ID?
No, I'm out here filming.
It's my constitution, right,okay, cool, um, all right, sir,
is there anything else out herethat maybe I can help you with?
You know, you watch these guystry to fumble through it.
Uh, nope, I'm just going to beout here filming doing my
constitution, right, all right,they go back to the hospital.

(01:10:06):
Hey, he's not violatinganything, okay, cool.
End scenario.
So now the scenario has ended.
Now, me as an instructor.
I go up to him.
Okay, what was going on?
Well, he was out there filming.
Okay, how does that apply tothe constitution?
Does he have a right to do that?
Well, yeah, it's hisconstitution.
Well, uh, that's on hospitalgrounds.
No, he was on a public sidewalk.
Okay, you just made that rookiethat a recruit.

(01:10:28):
Talk through the constitution,that is how you improve it.
So, um, uh, would wade say Isaw all caps.
So he's serious.
You can't train constitutionallaw.
You wouldn't have qualifiedimmunity.
You can't train constitutionallaw.
No, we're not getting into.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
We're not getting into qualified immunity uh,
first, when you read that you'remy son's, you know, the 22 year
old says you have to screamwhen you're do all cops.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
So oh, is that what that is next?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
time you see all cops you know because I used to do
that and he's like no, you can'tdo that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
So um, I saw a dumb cop saying that filming in
public was not a first amendment, right, yeah, that's, that's a
dumb cop, especially if you sawit anytime in the last six years
I always still fall for it, Idon't know, I would say longer
than that yeah, yeah, um, yeah,the uh.

(01:11:22):
I had a video.
My blind, my mind went blank.
I'm sorry, sometimes I justlose track of what I'm thinking.
Okay, let's get to anothervideo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
We've only watched one, so we are going to go to
this guy here, not invite guestshare screen if you like what
we're doing here, guys go andlike and make it available to
all of your friends and family.
We love to have new followers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Share.
Okay, we understand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
This one is also brought to you by Please, and
we're waiting, waiting for youto say it, we're going to
highlight it Biggie size, biggiesize.
There it is you guys are stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Highlight it Biggie size, biggie size, you guys are
stupid, I don't even haveanother way to say it Enhance,
I'm going to enhance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
No, we don't.
It's not that we're against it.
We like it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
But you know, we just wait for you to say it.
All right, let's go.
Do we have volume?
Okay, it's just muted.
Do we have volume?
Okay, it's just muted, allright.
Well, this is not a body camvideo.
Okay, we got a person out for awalk, two people out for a walk

(01:12:42):
.
That guy just decided to startrunning.
That's weird.
Oh, we got a hit.
Looks like somebody was tryingto shoot him.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, I'm going to say the guyin the car is a bad guy because

(01:13:04):
he just got out of a vehicle andtried to chase somebody with a
gun.
I don't know.
Okay, now we got two policecars here, three, oh, they found
the car.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
holy shit, guys, too many chiefs how do you mess that
one up?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
I don't know how you mess that one up.
Sorry boys, I'm not trying tomake fun of New York's finest
here.
I understand you just deal withthe shit sandwich, you're dealt
.
But if you know you're dealingwith somebody that's got a gun,
I'm boxing the shit out of thatcar.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I'm not leaving you any, I mean you had the vehicle
there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
I'm not leaving any avenue for escape.
And it looks like they did,that it might be a policy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, it could be that may be a policy thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
So this is something you guys got to consider when
you look at your departments andyou're pushing this no chase
policies and things but this issomething you got to pay
attention to with yourdepartments that your policies
and what you pressure them to domay be bad for the community.
I would argue that there's noway I'm letting this guy go.

(01:14:18):
He is a menace.
This is a dangerous person.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
So I just came back from one of the.
You know, I just came back fromOakland about a month ago and
their big topic was the no chasepolicy and they have lifted it
and so they now can chase andgive chase okay and it was crazy
, uh, hearing both sides of that, you know, through the media it

(01:14:44):
was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
It was very interesting conversation
happening um, wade lucero said Ido like and sub and we do talk
about you in audit activistcommunity.
Oh god I I tell you what thatscares me, wade.
I never know how activistcommunities are going to take me
.
Um, because I'm not.
The thing is is I'm pretty evenkeel.
I try to call out good copbehavior, but I'll call out bad

(01:15:07):
cop behavior and some activistcommunity.
They want you to be justcompletely bad.
They want you to be justcompletely bad.
They want you to call it thebad all the time and that's just
not my.
I'm an optimist.
If you guys can't tell you, I'man optimistic person by nature.
So it's really hard for me toeven to to dwell on the negative
.
I recognize it.
My optimistic side is how tofix it.

(01:15:28):
Like, that's what I want to do.
I want to do, I want to twistthat.
So, um, I know I said I'm goingto get through these videos and
not go down a rabbit trail, butbecause Wade said this comment,
I do want to point out I had agreat interaction with an
activist Um the other night.
His name was Cody High Roller.
So first amendment auditor umsaw him him.

(01:15:52):
So guys check him out, like,subscribe to his page.
He was very cool to me, verynice guy and I.
You know he's got like 17,000followers.
He's got a pretty good you knowwhat I would call like a low
level following.
That seems to be doing well forhim.
So great interaction with him.
He was very respectful, the wayhe was First Amendment auditing

(01:16:15):
and stuff like that, and we hada great conversation.
So good dude.
So shout out to him.
Anyway, I'm going to keep goinghere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
He actually has a post on you.
Who the Cody High Roller?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
He has a post on me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, your video's up .
Oh shit, Well, we're notsharing that on here, because if
it's me working, yes, yeah,that's what I I I'm leading to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Okay, we keep those two things separate, y'all.
So please don't you can.
You can discuss it on your own.
Please have to keep my workseparate.
Um, okay, so I was just tryingto give him some love because,
like I said, he did good, solet's keep going with this video
.
Okay, we got no volume.
Get the hell out of the way.

(01:16:59):
Yeah, he must have a fast car.
Okay, so what we're going to bedoing here is.
We're going to be calling outdirection of travel, description
of vehicle.

(01:17:19):
How many times it's occupiedthat we can see what the traffic
conditions are.
It's New York City, so I'm surethey're always screwed.
Right now I'm going to be likewe're northbound.
We just passed the intersection, traveling at this distance or
this speed it's got a firearm inthere.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
That's as far as I can turn that's a good point
that was made yeah, the firearm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yep, and you got to keep saying that on the radio.
Hey, everybody that getsinvolved just know this person
is armed.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
We know that he's armed with a firearm why the
fuck is he trying to pass me bro?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
that's a violation.
Where I'm at, you do not passthe lead vehicle.
You don't pass anybody in apursuit unless you're falling
out and you tell them hey, takeover, my car's got a flat,
whatever.
That's a no-no, especiallybecause I think this guy was
doing good.
He's keeping a good distance.
This is some young Thundercatshit that I see this car doing.

(01:18:25):
So if I was to guess, I'm goingto say it's a younger officer
that doesn't know what he'sdoing.
I'm going to say it's a youngerofficer that doesn't know what
he's doing.
We'll see.
There's a reason we keep thedistance.
You don't want to get right upon their butt.
Get me help.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Get me help over here .
This watch is absolutely rightin asking for more help.
You want as many units as youcan get.
This guy's got a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
He's a danger to the community because he chased him
due to the gun well, I will saythat the person that's saying
why is he passing me?
He's not maybe it just may be adark unit, a darker colored car
.
We don't know it still may saynypd all over um, but either way
, the lead vehicle.

(01:19:13):
You need to communicate thatyou're right you can't just take
over I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Why do I have not a house?
I need help from other commands.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I like that.
He's asking why did?

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
he block that car man .
That was stupid little new yorkpersonality coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Yeah, and I don't disagree and this is what I'm
getting with with the culture ofpolice, don't don't, don't,
don't, don't, don't, don't,don't I like that.
This is how they get the stressout, guys.
They're just talking in the caryou're gonna get stuck, maybe
not maybe not maybe not, maybenot.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
He's gonna get stuck.
Maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
If that car can fit, you can fit.
Gotta stay with him.
Turn left, turn left.
I love that they're redactingall the license plates that they
pass by.
It's so weird, why?
What a waste.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
We're in the 7-7.
We're close to the 7-7 precinctitself.
It's turning out to Utica,turning out to Utica.
Empty out the 7-7.
We're going towards the 7-7itself, the physical building In
front of the precinct.
We're in front of the physicalbuilding In front of the
precinct, in front of the 7-7.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
This is exciting.
I like this.
This is facing New York City Infront of the 7-7.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
We are physically in front of the 7-7.
Got me amped up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
God, I've never seen so many cars.
This is insane.
And they got back in the cars.
That's insane.
And they got back in with thespeed.
That was pretty good.
Look at that traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I'm not really updating guys because there's
nothing I would have changed sofar.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
We just keep on calling out directions.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
He's stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
He's stuck.
He's stuck.
Now you got to.
So oh shit, now you gotta.
So oh shit, um.
So I heard shots already, soI'm sorry, I didn't mean to get
that far ahead.
But, um, from here the carstops.
I would have depending.
We can't see what the suspectsare doing if they stay in the
car now.
It's a felony stop.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Loud held.
We have pedestrians like evenwith that car, so right Issues
there too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
So yeah, so I would still lean on the felony stop
because I agree you got to geteverybody out of the way.
You want to stay in the line offire that you know everybody,
so nobody gets ahead of you.
What we tend to do as cops isrun straight to the freaking bad
guys like a magnet, like youguys saw in the last one.
But that one was, I agreed withit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
So let's see here oh, my god the crossfire here, oh
look at this guy got away andlike, oh, that's a cop.
I didn't realize he was a cop,oh, there was a kid in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Okay, hopefully this gives us a better Woo, that's
dog one, that's dog one.
That's dog one.
That's dog one.
That's dog one.
That's dog one.
That's dog one.
That's dog one, that's dog one.
Okay hopefully this gives us abetter.

(01:22:38):
Hey, they're communicating.
There's a baby, there's a baby,there's a baby.
So great communication.
This officer's body cam viewthat we're seeing.
He had a great line of firewhere his bullets were probably
only going to hit the bad guy,or maybe the driver, um, which I

(01:23:00):
don't know.
We knew the passenger was themain suspect with the gun and I
swear I saw him come out of thatcar with a gun yeah, I thought
I saw a gun when he came out toyou so this guy tried to run.
I like to point out that theydidn't just shoot him in the
back or anything like that.
They actually did very well atthreat assessment.

(01:23:22):
And oh, it's a girl.
We got a lot of angles on thisone.
This one's too exciting to notwatch anymore, right?
Oh, that's a different MDCsystem.

(01:23:48):
Oh, he flips down mdc system.
Good work.

(01:24:16):
Get the baby out of there.
Get him the hell away.
Acorn Magdump said shotguns,shotguns would be hard to get
out of the car quickly with,don't disagree.

(01:24:37):
But if you got to have time, um, in this case, handguns are
going to work the best.
But no, you're right, I do likeme a good shotgun from now time
to time.
So that one officer ran aroundto the front and was firing as

(01:25:17):
the other guy's firing at him.
Yeah, that's what we callsympathetic fire.
I think he was firing justbecause his partner was, even if
that officer that first ran upwas justified in shooting.
Yep, this officer that justfired rounds has to account for
those, even if those rounds hitthe bad guy, he has to explain
why he shot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Yep Right by the person trying to get away Over
their head.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Now you have absolute reason to kind of say you know
well, the driver is the one thatwas driving, not stopping, so
they're just as complicit.
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
But were they being held at gunpoint, like that's?

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
right, right, or are they?

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
running because they're, you know, her baby's in
the car and she panicked, youknow mama geez eric, do you
think this is necessary?

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I think it was necessary to stop this person
absolutely because they justtried to chase somebody with a
gun.
That is like the most you knowother than child predators, that
is, this is the top threat tothe community.
This guy got out in public, ranout of a car, tried to chase
somebody down with a gun andthen got back in the car and
fled.
So this is the ultimate threatto the community.

(01:26:28):
This is one of those ones whereyou chase them till the wheels
fall off.
So so then he ran up.
Now I'm telling you I thought Iseen him come out with a gun.
I thought that I'm pretty sure Idid see that.
Now it's really hard becausewe're watching through a body
cam, but I'm going to go backand see what we can find.
But you got to remember thiswas hindsight too.

(01:26:49):
So did I see a gun, did I not?
I don't know.
We're going to go back and findout.
I want to see how this kind ofends.
Oh, that's it.
Okay, so I'm going to go to thepart where our guy in the body
cam comes up and runs up on thecar.
Okay, now Tim has told me ahundred times how to go frame by

(01:27:10):
frame.
Oh, there it is.
I paused that at the perfecttime.
Touchdown for levine.
Look at that.
I would have shot the shit outof that guy.
Yeah, in a heartbeat.
Yeah, here's why, guys, noreasonable person in a eight

(01:27:34):
minute pursuit of cops chasingafter you, after you just ran
after some dude with a gun, getsout of the car with a gun in
your shooting hand and runs upto a cop like this with the
intentions of giving up.
You're gonna eat every bullet Ihave right now, mm-hmm.
Why?
Because bullets don't stop thethreat immediately.
You're going to eat everybullet I have right now.

(01:27:55):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Because bullets don't stop the threat immediately.
Yeah, tv shows showing peoplegetting shot once and they quit
fighting.
That's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Yeah, and imagine what's going through.
This officer's head is out ofhis peripheral.
He sees and he keeps hearingthere's a baby, there's a baby.
You can't take the chance ofthis guy firing a reckless round
well, and all of the roundsthat are firing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
He continues to fire because he he sees the threat,
but he also is hearing all thisauditory, you know.
And so he's still firingbecause he's perceiving there's
still a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah, you guys have no idea what gunshots sound like
in a city environment.
This is one I can attest to.
I've been involved in threeshootings.
I wasn't the shooter um thethree shootings that I was
involved in were in a downtown,high-rise city environment wow.
And I could not tell where theshots were coming from.
I just knew shots were beingfired all around me and it

(01:28:56):
turned out it was only comingout of one gun, but I could have
told you it sounded like afirefight.
So just things to consider.
But that is that's.
I mean that's.
Do you need more for this cop?
Now, I do think that the otherofficer has a little bit to
answer for Shooting over top ofa driver.

(01:29:17):
I think his heart was in theright place.
And again, when you're hearingshots bouncing off the buildings
, we don't know what thatofficer's perception was.
So, things to consider, thingsto consider.
That's why we can't just jumpdown that guy's ass right now.
So, um, but, uh, yeah, and andDavid, yeah.

(01:29:39):
David said that's why I stayedsilent.
Uh, so far, seen this hindsight.
Oh, okay, thank you, yes, verycool.
Somebody else actually somebodythanked you.
Um, where where'd it go?
Uh, oh, somebody thanked you.
Where did it go?
Oh, shotguns and Tattoos saidthank you for knowing the
outcome and keeping quiet.
David, yes, thank you very muchit does help, so I hope that

(01:30:06):
answers your question.
Whoever it was that asked me, Imiss I can't find the comment
Mama G, yeah, mama G, yeah, likeyou know.
And when you consider the timeframe, let's see the time frame
of when he first startedshooting to when he stopped.
Stop him Seven seconds.

(01:30:28):
Yep, I got seven seconds.
Get on the fucking ground Now.
Seven seconds to try to processall this stuff going on, those
shots popping around.
You've got you know, um, youryour adrenaline pumping.
You're gonna have audit, audit,auditory.
Yeah, I, I was reading it,saying it in my head, as

(01:30:50):
somebody said it Auditory andvisual occlusions, so tunnel
vision and your hearing turnsreally weird during those
situations.
The first time I got shot at inthe downtown area, that was
exactly what happened to me.
It wasn't the visual.
I remember specifically havingreally good sight.

(01:31:10):
It wasn't the visual.
I remember specifically havingreally good sight, but my
hearing turned into this weird,weird, like just honed in this,
and there was thousands ofpeople running around because it
was when the bars let out.
People were all over the placeand they were all standing
around to watch this fight.
So I mean there's probably1,000 to 2,000 people out there,

(01:31:31):
wow, and when the shots rangout, I just remember that.
You know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Everything slowed down for me, um what's
impressive in this video is thislike you would think that,
everything being as slow as itwas, he reloads, has a tactical
reload and then he's on to thedriver that's running.
I mean, it's in that part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, yep, and nobody else got hit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
That I could tell.
It didn't seem that way.
So, yeah, man, that's crazy.
And Deputy Acorn Magdump bringsup a very good point about the.
He gave me a teaching moment.
So thank you very much.
Let me see.
Um, what does that mean?
Hits hsts stop the threatpretty quick headshots maybe,

(01:32:24):
especially when you get 15 in in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wrong.
Um, somebody got a membership.
Holy shit, a level onemembership.
Uh, constitutional country girl.
Oh, she gifted a membership.
Thank you so much, country girl, that's awesome.

(01:32:45):
And the recipient of that falkaround and find out, falk around
and find out, which is a badassname.
I like it, I like it.
I'm betting his last name orher last name is Falk Received a
level one membership.
Thank you very much, guys.
Every time that happens it'svery, still very weird and
surreal to me that somebodywould pay to a federal HST.

(01:33:11):
I think he's talking about therounds.
I think I'm not a gun nut, guys, I don't know everything, but I
think that's what he's talkingabout.
Acorn, are you just a fan ofOkaloosa County or just a fan?
Country Girl, very cool of you.

(01:33:33):
Thank you so much.
And then mama g said countrygirl, so nice, I'm waiting
around anything for you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Um, in this, when we were talking about the felony,
stop.
Um, he, you know the.
The patrol unit stopped on thebumper to to close him in.
Does distance, do you careabout distance, or are you going
to unass and get back toanother vehicle?

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Um, I'm going to unass you know what, watching
how this guy reacted the, the,the officer.
I liked it.
No, I agree, I think it savedlives, but I think he got lucky.
Sometimes I'll take luck.

(01:34:25):
Is it how I would have reacted?
I don't think so.
I probably would have foundcover and then I probably would
have found myself in a gunfight.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Do you think that comes from always being in a
two-man unit and always havingas many units as they probably
do in new york versus I'm?
I would have been by myself onthat call, yeah I think you're
100 right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
They're so used to having, you know, you know a
hive swarm mentality, becausethat's just how things have to
be in such a populated, densearea.
So I think you're right.
Harrison Brock said two cops,one donut.
My family members got appointedas police chief here in
Kentucky.
Holy shit, that's bad ass.
Hey, if your police chief everwants to be on here, brother,

(01:35:07):
let me know.
I'd love to have them on, befun.
Country girl said these guyshave earned support.
Hey, hey, now you're gonna makeme cry.
I for those who don't know, I aman emotional creature.
I was just talking about.
You know, what I startedwatching today on netflix was
home improvement.
That's how I grew up inmichigan, y' so Home Improvement

(01:35:31):
was like a staple because itwas based out of Detroit.
So watching Home Improvement Iremember as a kid.
The nostalgia hit me hard whenthat opening, because I watched
the first episode of the firstseason prepping for this, and
the music hit me so hard.

(01:35:51):
The nostalgia hit me so hardbecause I remember running from
playing football with my friends.
We would try to stop playing,you know, it'd be dust time, the
lights, street lights wouldcome on and I was trying to get
home in time to watch HomeImprovement, to watch that
opening song.
Come on and man, the nostalgiahit me hard today.

(01:36:16):
So I'm easily, easily emotionalwhen it comes to stuff like
that support and anybody thattries to help me out.
Nico, he's like a bullet, eric,I get it.
I get it.
Oh man, mag dump said 100 facts.

(01:36:41):
I couldn't fathom supporting anle six months ago.
Holy shit.
Now you definitely make me tearup, fucker.
Tell me that.
That's good.
That's the whole goal of why Ido what I do.
It's to change, not the mindsof people that already support

(01:37:01):
us, it's to change the minds ofthe people that don't.
That's who we should bereaching out to.
Is it nostalgia?

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
or is it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
smoking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
A little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
I was sipping a little bit.
Shut up, don't judge me.
That's awesome.
Oh man, no way, there we go.
Harrison said you should watchLandman, based in Texas.
I know I've been trying to.
I have watched it.
It's awesome.
Everybody I've heard said thatWait until you get old, old Eric

(01:37:35):
, everything does that to you.
I am old, turn 42 tomorrowy'all.
Tomorrow's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
So, harrison, I actually live about 35-40
minutes From where that show isCentered after.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Shotguns and tattoos.
So what do y'all think of?
Shows like cops or live pd?
Love them, um, I love them.
I love them because it's itshould be unedited.
I mean fairly unedited, um.
Look into law enforcement.
That's just.
It's the call.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
It is what it is oh, it was that education going
through the academy for me, like, right, you would, we would
watch those during breaks andlike, yeah, well, what would I
have done?

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
and you know, yeah, um, you know, and my dad was
actually on cops um, as a cop,not as a bad guy.
Bad boys, bad boys, yeah.
So I grew up loving cops.
You know, and I can tell youthe whole format.
It's going to be three calls,they're going to get through
three calls in that episode andit gives you a glimpse.

(01:38:43):
I think it gives you a glimpse.
It's definitely not.
I think what we do hereprobably does more than what
you're going to see in a wholeepisode of cops.
So, live PD I haven't really.
I've caught an episode or twoof live PD, but I never really
got into it.
So Perry said happy birthday,I'm 15 years older than you.

(01:39:05):
The best part is, this will tellyou guys how stupid I am.
I'm going to stop sharing sincewe've gotten through this video
.
Let me tell you how dumb I amy'all.
My wife got on to me.
She's like I've heard you sayon the podcast that you're 42.
She's like you're not 42.
You're 41.
Because my wife's birthday isliterally like 10 days after
mine and we're the same age.
And she's like you're 41.

(01:39:26):
And she's like are you thatdumb?
And I'm like am I really Legit?
Thought I was 42.
I thought I was turning 43.
So my wife kind of.
That's how dumb I am.
So just to let you all know I'man idiot.
Anyway, all right, let's get tothe next video here.
We're going to pause this guyand I'm going to share the

(01:39:50):
screen.
See, we're getting throughvideos quicker because I'm
holding to the formula.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
To your own rules.
There, buddy, I am.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
I'm listening to feedback.
Y'all were like gettingfrustrated.
I had quite a few people likewe just want to get through a
fucking video.
I'm like you know what youright Enhance.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
That work right?
No, it doesn't sound right.
We got to have biggie size.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Don't know what's going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Same agency.
Is it really Yep?
Okay, is it really Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Okay, I heard stop and don't reach.
Don't reach, Yep, AutomaticallyDoesn't matter what I see my
gun's coming out.
Yep, Doesn't matter what I seeGun's coming out.
So that's how I'm handling this.
I'm going to be using thesecars for cover and concealment

(01:40:53):
the best I can.
The difference between coverand concealment for those who
don't know concealment hidesyour body but doesn't protect
you from bullets.
Cover hides your body andprotects you from bullets,
Unless it's bulletproof glass.
Then it doesn't hide your bodybut it protects you from bullets
.
Ooh, Inception, See what I didthere.

(01:41:14):
Alan asked when is?

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
your birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
It's tomorrow, the 12th buddy, I believe I was born
your birthday 3 33 pm.
So my dad's is the 13th, so letme see it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Let me see it all right, I am not going hands-on
with my gun in my hand.
I'm going to hold what I got.
Let me see your hands.
Let me see your hands and notget drawn into it.
If I go hands-on, my gun has togo in the holster.
I do not like going hands-onwith any weapon system in my
hand.
It looked like he pointedsomething at him.

(01:41:54):
So, um things to consider yourbackdrop looks like you're
shooting towards apartments orsome sort of residential um, but
at the same time somebody'spointing something at me you're
shooting I'm shooting, I'm gonnaput some rounds down range get

(01:42:16):
down, get down, get down I wasgonna say I swear, I heard more
guns than just this guy did.
Nobody hit him uh what the fuckdid I just witness so?

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
So many questions.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Okay, we're going to keep going.
The video keeps going, so holyshit.
By the way, my birthday is onAbraham Lincoln's birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
I just want to say Do you have one of those hats I
wish.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
I'll wear it.
I'll wear it on the podcast Getthe fuck down, don't reach,
don't reach.

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
Get the fuck podcast.
Get the fuck down.
Don't reach, don't reach.
Get the fuck down.
Get the fuck down.
Get the fuck down.
Police.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Oh my, I missed the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Oh, suicide by cop maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Jesus, that is fucking bionic.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
Get the fuck down.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Get down, get down, jesus, please tell me they miss.
I don't know how they missed.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo drive the car, drive the
car, drive the car 6-9, safetycentral that shot's fired 8-0-1,
slap.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
The way he was acting makes me think he was like
pointing at a wall or a phone.
I didn't even Just the way hewas behaving.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Yep, he got hit right there, he just threw something
right there, he just threwsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Right there, he just flung it.
Okay, I want to point out, whenhe did that motion of throwing,
did you notice everybodystopped shooting?
Yep, that's amazing.
That's something to point out,because they didn't just keep
firing.
I want to go back to that point.

(01:44:13):
Pay attention to that part.
That's actually somethingimportant.
Firing Right there, he threw it.
It's going to take you aquarter second, half second to
register, realize that he justthrew something.
But that's the fourth sciencebehind things.
Holstern their guns back up.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
Stay with him, man, go, go, go, that'd have been me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Let me get the car, take the car, take the car, hey,
run it.
You got him.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Stay with him car the ground get on the ground, get
on the ground, get it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Just an amazement like, what do you do?
Oh, oh, there's the gun let mesee your head let me see it
right there right there.

(01:45:38):
If you go back, you can tell theofficer approaching this
officer up here I don't know ifyou can see my mouse, but um, he
can't see this gun.
No, that's something importantto recognize, because he could
have just done a contact shothere had he registered that gun,
but he didn't see it.
All he heard his partner sayingwas don't reach, don't reach.
Nobody yelled out gun yet letme see it.
Put your hands down so he turnsand points it at him and I think

(01:46:03):
that's what basically kickedoff the encounter, because he
was up close and personal andand saw the gun personal and and
saw the gun he was in his face.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Holy shit.
I cannot believe that thevictim didn't get shot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
I can't either.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
So that's a lot of people, a lot of cops around, so
when he gets out of the car,there's, uh, the, the driver
says to the passenger stay withhim.
So they were dealing with an opor something.
Somebody's arrested in the backseat of that car and, yeah,
when they run up, the the onlything that, um, I'm, I'm curious

(01:46:45):
how I would have reacted withthat victim there.
He, he took cover because youknow that's what you do when
bullets are flying at you.
You know, it's just amazing.
Like you were saying, I don'tknow if I would have gone and
tried to protect her at all, butyou know it, it makes you
wonder how she didn't get hit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Right Magdump mentioned, lapd shot a pickup
truck over over 100 times adorner pursuit.
It does ring a bell.
I just can't uh remember.
I mean I didn't remember I'mturning 42.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
I thought it was already 42, so well and and
we've talked about it or you,prior to me joining the show you
guys have talked about therange and putting a t-shirt over
uh targets and things like thatand you know, you don't know
that bullets didn't hit him,because his adrenaline's going
too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
We don't know if he's on some kind of something yeah,
um, I had a night said hey,it's alan and that other guy
shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I stand with alan.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
Fuckers, shut up.
We are trying to get Alan addedto the website, along with Kat,
and I think those two are thelatest that we've been trying to
get on there.
The problem was we didn'tinitially add Alan because Alan
was going to be behind thescenes.
There he is, so if he's goingto be on the show more often,

(01:48:18):
well, fuck it, I'm gonna add himto the site and he can be a
personality.
He doesn't have to be anall-time personality if he
doesn't want to be, but if hewants to be, uh, he seems to
have the support of the people,so to speak, and now I am using
some of this they just like itthat I'm here to bring the show
when you're not fair.
Fair, uh, that makes me populardray g said no reason to close

(01:48:39):
the distance like that when youknow he's reaching and y'all
have the force multipliers.
Wait until you have some kindof compliance distance times
tactics.
I don't disagree with that,don't know I?

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
I don't disagree with that, I don't disagree at all.
The only thing we have a victimreally close.
Could you have run up there?
You at least generally alwayshave armor.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
They don't and to what Alan said too you can't
tell that those rounds arehitting if you're not getting.
I can tell you right, Iwouldn't have thought any of the
rounds hit this dude Right theway he's acting.
You shoot until the threat'sneutralized.
That this is what we'rereferring to you.

(01:49:26):
You, you're looking for aresponse.
You didn't see a response onthat.
The dude just kept walkingthrough whatever he had in his
hands and they just kept walking.
So, um, freeman keys, niceshirt, alan.
Where did you get that?
You know where you got it.
Retro rifle, hell yeah.
Oh shit, we got to give a shoutout.

(01:49:48):
You have to give a shout out.
Duck ninja dad, which alreadyjust by the name and looking at
the picture, because I'm ajeeper.
I'm a jeeper without a jeep.
I've had three jeeps in my life.
My very first vehicle was an 89wrangler hawaiian edition.

(01:50:09):
Oh wow, Red, straight six babythat got passed on to me through
my stepdad had 50,000 miles onit.
It's wonderful.
Didn't know what I had at thetime.
You know he's a 16-year-old kid.
That was my first vehicleStandard.
It was one of the rare Jeepsthat actually had a little bit

(01:50:30):
of AC to it, Not much but it didhave an AC unit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Do you need AC in that place In Michigan?
Yeah, it gets humid in thesummertime.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
People don't know.
But Duck Ninja Dad just becamea Baker's Dozen level member,
which is our top tier.
So thank you very much, dude.
Thank you very much.
That's huge.
So definitely know that anytimeyou have a question, sir, I'm
going to make it front andforemost.
So, because that is that ishuge.

(01:51:02):
Um, anybody uh, taking theirhard-earned money and putting it
towards us is very humbling.
So thank you very much, sirsteve wallace, he doesn't ask a
lot on here.
Steve usually says hi and thenhe lurks.
So with how many people youhave on the team now, you could
do a live every hell.
No, sir, you gotta understand.

(01:51:22):
Steve, I'm the one, and nowalan, we're the ones that run it
.
I've been doing this shit on myown for so long.
I was was getting burned out.
It wasn't that I didn't want todo it, I just between work.
You guys know I'm still afull-time cop and I work
midnights and I'm in themilitary.
So I got a lot of things I gotto do and I'm a dad two nutso

(01:51:44):
daughters.
So I wish, I wish I could.
But that's kind kind of thepoint of growing is getting more
people and being able to get tothe point where I don't have to
do everything.
So that's where we're trying toget to.
Now the next part is going tobe these people aren't going to
do all this for nothing.
You got to get paid too, sothey're right now they're doing

(01:52:06):
it for nothing.
So even Alan shit Alan'sprobably done more work than
anybody else.
It's been a part of the showcame over and did hours worth of
work to make us have internetin here and, um, a whole bunch
of other stuff behind the scenes.
So, uh, we're trying trying toget everybody paid.
I'm trying to find sponsors andstuff like that.
Youtube ain't going to pay thebills, like, probably.

(01:52:28):
It's a process, buddy, it's aprocess, funny, it's a process.
You gotta grow a lot more andget a lot more members in the
youtube community and then Igotta try not to get banned on
youtube.
I don't know what the fuck I did.
I don't know what I did.
That's different from doingthese lives to to whatever was
on that that short that I haddone.
So, uh, okay, buck up, kiddo,you're only 42.

(01:52:50):
Appreciate it.
Oh shit, jeep people needdimmer headlights.
Why do they have to have putnuclear lights on the front of
those?
You don't know what ducks theyhave.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
You mean the duck orders?

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
That was not a thing when I had my Jeep.
The duck thing was not it.
It was not even a thing yet.
So let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
It's gotten pretty ridiculous though.
And.
I'm a Jeep guy too, so that'sAll right, let's get to the next
video.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Here we are two hours in, I understand.
I wish to proceed and enlarge.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Still doesn't sound right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Good try, though.
Uh, alright, we're givingcommands.
Um, All, right, we're givencommands.
I don't know, this looksfamiliar.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
I think I've seen this, but I can't figure out why
yet.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
Get on your knees, get on the ground, get on the
ground, get on the ground, geton the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Get on the ground.
Get on the ground, get on theground.
Get on the ground, man.
Okay, we've got three officers.
Everybody's yelling get on theground with very close distance.
I'm going to put my gun awayand just tackle the ass.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Two have a gun out and one doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
I don't know, it just depends.
I can't see anything in hishands.
So if I can't see anything inyour hands, if I think your
hands are empty, I'm going totwo-leg you, I'm going to take
you down, I'm going to go oldschool, I'm going to tackle you
Biggie size it brother.
Biggie size it, brother, biggiesize it.

(01:54:57):
Hey, what's that sound?
we got there deep, booming voicethat just makes girls you know
I'm gonna gas them from milesaway I'm gonna sleep better
tonight I always sleep betterwhen I hear banning's voice.
I got him.
I got him on that white noiseapp.
You know, I've just taken everypodcast I've done and just
recorded his voice alone, andthen I just fall asleep to it.
Well, I mean, I do other thingsfirst and then I fall asleep to

(01:55:21):
it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Banning as your internet slow.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
His face is frozen on a smile.
Hey, we're going to do thisreal quick, guys.
We're going to stop sharing andwe're just going to.
No, we're going to do this.
Watch this.
Oh no, I lost him before Icould do it.
I was going to make his faceblow up.
I was trying to give everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I saw where you were going with it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Yeah, you knew what I was going to do All right,
let's go back to sharing, and weare already biggie-sized.
All right, let's keep going.
Get on the ground.
I'm coming, sir.
Get the fucking back.
Okay, I have seen this.
I've actually done a reactionvideo to this, so this will be a
good video.

(01:56:06):
I won't say shit.
Have you seen this, alan?
I have not, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
He's running Down bridge sir, we got actors on the
ground.
He's running down Brett's shot.
We got actors on the ground.
He's running towards.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Homestead Very calm, the way he called it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Green long sleeve.
Green hats, gray hoodie.
Hey, stop running, he's stillrunning, see that speed pick up
baby.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Now he's going down, Put that weight of that
equipment on the screen.
Going south on Homestead for aquick shot.

Speaker 5 (01:56:43):
He's coming back up.
He's going north on Homestead.

(01:57:14):
Hey, stop, oh shit, watch out,move, move, move, move or you go
Get your shit, get your shit.
Oh shit, careful, don't move,don't move.
I'm here, don't move.

(01:57:35):
Careful.
Do you have control of your gun?
Don't move, don't move, ahmed,don't move.
Careful, do you have control ofyour gun?
Do you have control of your gun?
He's down.
Do you have control of your gun, ahmed?
How you doing?
I'm good, careful.
Does he have your gun?
Still?
No, okay, careful, if his handis on your trigger, be careful.

(01:58:02):
Still got my gun.
Dude, stop rocking the streets.
Hey, get down.
Careful, careful, careful.
His head is on his gun.
Be careful, you, alright?
Did he get shot?
Yes, he's down, are you okay,brother?
Hey, my man, you good, starttaking your stuff off.

(01:58:30):
Make sure you're not hit.
Make sure you're not hit, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Oh, this one didn't show the other angle.
That's all right, we don't needit um, so I'm gonna stop
sharing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
I've seen this one um alan, you never seen that, so
no no you know that that mentalright now, you know my blood
pressure is doing, you know I'mnot even there, right, you know.
So, back up before that, youknow they tackle him, get him to
the ground.
Generally that's a good move.

(01:59:11):
Yeah, um, you know, somehow thesuspect gets to his gun and the
other officer comes up and andand fires around because he has
been told he's got my gun.
And you know all of that'slegit.
Um, the only you're that close.

(01:59:31):
Uh, you know, I don't know ifyou don't shoot somewhere else.
And uh, make sure that he's notgoing to hurt your partner.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Yeah, and that's the biggest risk of taking multiple
shots.
So from my perspective again,I've watched this, I've talked
about this one before he tries abody shot, a contact shot to
the body, but he was trying to.
You could tell the officer wasvery conscious of where he was

(02:00:00):
angling his gun and that doesn'tmatter if it hits a rib bone,
it hits anything.
That bullets going to gowherever the hell it wants to go
.
Yep, shit.
We can't even agree on whathappened to Kennedy.
And he just shot that guy.
Am I bullet went everywhere,magic bullet.
So the the bullet wenteverywhere, magic bullet.

(02:00:20):
The bullets move around there.
He is Banning Bad internet,brother, sorry, oh no, you got
that hotel internet going on.

Speaker 6 (02:00:26):
Yeah, I do it's the blue light special man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
To my point of the contact shot.
He took that shot andeverybody's holding their
buttholes on that one, Iguarantee it, everybody Because
we don't know where thatbullet's going to come out.
He could have still hit the cop, so something to consider.
And then he went for a shot heknew was going to stop the
threat, because the guy was—evenafter being shot, was still

(02:00:52):
trying to pull the gun.
He didn't just fire and thenfire and fire, and fire and fire
.
He fired and then he assessed,he stopped, he looked, he waited
to see did this round have aneffect?
And you can hear the panic inthe officer on the ground.
He's like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, like he doesn't
know if that gun's coming out,whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
You know there's only other one place that you place
that to to end that task or thatresistance.
But even then, you know musclescan do amazing things after
shots are fired.
And, um, you know if he's gothis finger on the trigger.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
You know the only thing you can pray is it's
pointed to bonnie or butterarmor, yeah and so even after
the guy was shot point blank inthe head which we saw that
happen um his hand was stillaround the gun yep so, um, that
is that's a point to uh toconsider.

(02:01:50):
And they, you could see they hadto literally peel his hand,
even after he was shot in thehead.
It doesn't mean the bodytwitches, there's all sorts of
weird things that happens whilethe body's dying, which I
believe that's probably what washappening there.
So Andy Fletcher said agree,100%.
Marine Blood Eye of the Nightsaid yeah, that made me pucker

(02:02:11):
and I wasn't even there.
Yeah, shit gets you amped upsometimes, man, watching that
Mag Dump the, the very internetfriendly.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes you know, so,
backing up in that video, likewhen they first got out of the
vehicle, you made the commentright up front.
You know, um, we don't even getto that scenario if we we
handle it and do business alittle earlier yeah, um, I mean,
that's the hope.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Uh, he obviously knew what he was going for, because
once they went to the ground, heinstantly just honed in on
trying to get the gun.
So who's to say that thatwouldn't have happened right
there in the grass?
However, yeah, you had all youhad all three officers right
there, versus what we just hadat the end.
They got spread out.
Everybody got tired.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Well, and you all said it many times on this show,
especially you and Banny on.
You know, sometimes if weelevate our you know in the
initial, you punch them one time, something you know.
You have less of an issue lateron right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
You elevate your use of force early on in the
encounter, which sometimes looksharsh, because you know
somebody has a clenched jaw andthey take a bladed stance.
And then you see me whorecognizes that as a fighting
stance, and this person's aboutto do some dumb shit, and I just
open hand, slap them to theground and then take them into
custody.
People are gonna go what thefuck?

(02:03:43):
That guy didn't do anything tothat cop and he just slapped the
shit out of him and that's,that's excessive force.
And then I try to tell him likelisten, if I'd have handled
business later and hesitated, itcould have led to something
like this versus handlingbusiness up front.
That is a hard concept forpeople to get that have never
been in a fight.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
And it's completely agree.
You know I had never heard itput like that until y'all
mentioned it on this show, and Ireally completely agree with
that mentality.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
Now, Now, now think about that, alan.
You've been in police work.
How many years.
16 years, 16 years.
I've been in it at 18.

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
Yep, and here I am shedding something new on use of
force that you had never heardbefore, yep, so and I mean it
makes complete sense when youbreak down certain incidents
I've been involved in, otherpeople have been involved in.
You know, just sometimes youyou have to to end the situation

(02:04:45):
quicker, and de-escalationdoesn't always necessarily mean
you have to just shut up.
You know, it can be risingabove somebody else's threat or
volume or physical.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
Yeah, and it that's one of the things, um, I'm
trying to to get across to,especially our anti-cop crowd or
untrustworthy police crowd, isI'm like, listen, a lot of times
some of these situations turninto a shit storm, like the one
we just watched, because wedidn't handle business up front.

(02:05:22):
Yeah, and some of the pressurethat these cops are getting from
citizens for being tooheavy-handed is exactly what
leads to somebody getting killedlater on because we didn't
handle business and weren'theavy handed up front, right.
So it's a hard argument to make, because then you've got the

(02:05:44):
counter, which I kind of agreesometimes.
Well, de-escalate it.
Sometimes that works, sometimesit doesn't.
This de-escalation was notworking with this guy, no matter
what happened.
So, um, so, yeah, let's go,let's go on to the okay did we,

(02:06:09):
we did not, okay, um, what areyou up to tonight?

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
ban Banning.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Yeah, banning.
Talk a little bit while I pullup a video.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
Where are?

Speaker 6 (02:06:17):
you at.
I'm in Dallas in Deep Ellum ata hotel.
We're doing our Mark 43.
I always say I'm not a salesguy but our company is a big
sales community, so I guess I amin a sense.
But this is our big saleskickoff event where they bring

(02:06:38):
in engineers and so forth andshow us all the neat new widgets
that that mark 43 is going tohave for law enforcement across
the country and, quite frankly,man, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's
badass.
So that's awesome.
I'm here with some, somebadasses, man, I mean these
people, the founders thatcreated it to the ceo, to, to
these sales guys to go out thereand bust their ass freaking
every day to get these agencieshooked up with Mark 43.

(02:06:59):
And it's kind of an awe intheir presence, man, they're
good folks.
But I guess tomorrow we'regoing to do a roundtable to
where my team we're businessdevelopment basically the
executive group is what theycall it.
They're going to roundtable usto work or fireside chat to
where all 100 employees that arehere will be able to ask us

(02:07:22):
questions and where can theyinsert our team to help and open
up doors.
That type of thing.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
Where can you insert banning into?

Speaker 6 (02:07:31):
you Not many places, man this just got strange.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Where can banning show up?

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
and it gets strange 300, 320 pounds of love, brother
, hell yeah his sweats get in myeye and somebody asked that I
did I somebody asked did I trimmy beard?
Yeah, I went to a differentbarber and there was a
communication issue.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
So I like it.
I think I think you look alittle slimmer.
You probably know how to dealwith four inches buddy wow uh,
look at him blush.
Look at him blush.
Oh shit at him blush Love it.
Oh shit, I did give you ashout-out Banning, I thought it

(02:08:21):
was all about you.

Speaker 6 (02:08:21):
I heard you man.
I was down there watching themwith an earpiece in my ear
watching y'all Nice Listening,so yeah, Good stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
I appreciate it, appreciate it very much.
I pulled up an extra video justfor you Banning, since you're
here.
Oh, outstanding, let me, uh,let me.
I understand, I wish to proceed.
Biggie size, and all right howyou doing good.

(02:08:53):
You have any ID on you.
Yeah, ma'am All right, good onher.
I like that Didn't just let himstart digging in his pockets.
So far, I like how thisencounter is going.
Hey, do you got any ID on you?
Da-da-da-da.
My only thing is is, do we havean offense?

(02:09:16):
So this guy?
For those that get mad oh, thiscop doesn't have any right to
his ID, true?
I don't think so yet, based onwhat we see.
I don't know the background,but based on what we see, I
would agree we don't have aright to his ID.
But he's getting it out becausethe cop asked.

Speaker 6 (02:09:37):
Right now we're at a consensual encounter.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
This is what's considered a consensual
encounter.

Speaker 2 (02:09:42):
So you just asked him for his ID and he reaches in
his pocket, you have a problemfor him reaching in his pocket.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
I don't have a problem with him reaching in his
pocket, but I'm also going toif he starts digging.
Him reaching in his pocket, butI'm also going to.
If he starts digging, yep, I'mgoing to say, hey, real quick,
let me, let me pat that partdown as you're digging into.
I just want to make sure Idon't feel a gun right, um which
?

Speaker 6 (02:10:07):
but we also get.
We also got to be careful notto cross the line there, because
it's right yeah, yeah yeahagain, it's the hard part we
don't know enough.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
Yeah, there's something probably.
Yeah, we don't know enough.
Yeah, there's somethingprobably.
Yeah, we don't know enough yet.
So let's say I'm going to playdevil's advocate on myself.
Let's say I have nothing elseother than the fact that I see
this kid on the bike and I comeup and I ask this question.
No, I shouldn't be patting himdown, because I asked for the ID
Now.
So I will acknowledge that part.

Speaker 4 (02:10:46):
But we know that that's probably not the case.
Andy, just tell me your nameMatthew Fallerman.
What's your name?

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
Matthew Fallerman Fallerman, fowler.
Fowler M-A-T-T-H-E-W.

Speaker 4 (02:10:54):
Fowler, I don't need you.
Yeah, you're good.
I don't need you to grab foranything.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
I like that he's showing his waistband I feel
like he's trying to.
Okay, they know this guy.
This is where I'm like.
They know who this guy is.
They're making contact for areason Whether he's wanted or

(02:11:19):
he's trespassed from this placeand they knew that something's
weird.
He's got a gun.
He's got a gun.
Beautiful.
So in the struggle, he's got agun, he's got a gun.
Beautiful, so in the struggle,he's got a gun, he's got a gun.

(02:11:41):
People don't just startfighting that have guns like
this.
But I'm curious why we madecontact.
That will help the story forsure.
Let me go.

Speaker 5 (02:11:51):
Let me go, let me go, let me go, let go Two.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
Let go.
Oh my God, what the hell justhappened.
No same where you are, Samewhere your shot's fired.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Shot's fired.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
Oh, that's it.
I got to see what the detailssaid.
The other one was wrestling withhim and the gun came out yeah,
but we heard a shot, so I don'tknow who fired that shot.
So I'm going to read thedescription real quick.
It says um, tampa bay, florida.
On february 4th so fairlyrecently, 2025 at 10 am, tampa
bay police made a policedetective with 21 years of

(02:12:38):
service and a corporal with nineyears of service were
conducting a follow-upinvestigation on an unrelated
robbery at the Azula NorthApartments.
While in the complex parkinglot, they observed 23-year-old
Matthew Fowler trying to entervehicles and open an apartment

(02:13:00):
doors.
During the attempt to identifyFowler, a struggle ensued.
He then drew a Glock 9mm withan extended 30-round magazine
and fired on the officers.
Neither officer was struck.
One officer returned fire, butFowler was able to flee the
scene on foot.
A perimeter was quicklyestablished and Fowler was not
struck.
One officer returned fire, butFowler was able to flee the
scene on foot.
A perimeter was quicklyestablished and Fowler was not

(02:13:21):
struck.
He was apprehended a short timelater.
His gun, a Glock 9mm, with astent magazine, was recovered in
a nearby dumpster.
Fowler has been charged with twocounts of attempted
first-degree murder of a lawenforcement officer.
Two counts of resistingda-da-da-da-da Okay of a law
enforcement officer.
Two counts of resistingda-da-da-da-da Okay.
So let me stop sharing that.

(02:13:44):
So the officer's observingsomebody trying to get into
vehicles and then try to getinto an apartment, trying to
open their doors.
That right there alone isenough to stop and detain and
figure out more of what's goingon.
So banning.
Since you're just joining us,I'm I don't want to hog all the
the glory here.
You go ahead, buddy no I felt,the same way.

Speaker 6 (02:14:06):
we didn't know all the details coming into it and
it's nice to read that after tokind of figure it out.
Um, I don't think I don't havean issue with the totality of
this call at all.
Unfortunately, you know, itended the way it did, but it
happens, man, and I'm sure thatthis complex has probably had,
unfortunately, a lot of problemsin the past and depending on

(02:14:28):
the area and the crime rate inthe neighborhood.
But it looks like that to me,that they're being proactive,
going out there and trying tomake a difference, and that's
that's what it's all about.
I mean getting out of your carsand walking these complexes,
people to see you, kids to seeyou our next generation of
people, so I think it was a good.
I mean unfortunate in the way itended.
It sucks, but it's good thatthey were there.

(02:14:49):
I mean he could have gotteninto a tussle with somebody else
.

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
Yeah, Tim was reading my mind over here.
He said wait, she was thatclose and fired three times and
missed.
She needs to go to the rangeand practice.
Yeah, I can't believe theymissed from right there.

Speaker 6 (02:15:04):
True, true, but, eric , you know as well as I do what
happens at the range.
Good departments will stress,inoculate you and you're going
to go into the right training.
Then you have other departmentsthat are checking the box every
year and they're giving youyour 50 rounds.
You got a firearm instructorout there and you're shooting at
that bad Mr Paper.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
Because it shoots back.

Speaker 6 (02:15:26):
Yep Right, and you got to get more dynamic training
within every law enforcementagency across the country to be
effective with that.
I think, unfortunately, thatmight be what we had in this
situation to where strikeinoculation, going up blood
pressure, everything, and evenat that closer range, I mean,
they're just not dialed in yeah,well, shit with elon.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
With elon around the corner, baby, I have a feeling
we're going to be able to makepolicing great again, and what
we're going to do is we're goingto have interactive robots that
while you're at the range andyou're firing, you're shooting
at robots that are shooting simrounds back at you.

Speaker 6 (02:16:04):
Yeah, tell me that would be fucking awesome that
would be.

Speaker 1 (02:16:08):
Oh, I would have so much fun having like a gunfight
with a robot.
That'd be fun.
What did you do at work today?
Fucking got a gunfight with arobot.
That's what I did Fuck aroundand find out.
It was on easy mode, but Iowned his ass.
It's like fighting a bot, youknow.

Speaker 5 (02:16:28):
That's a lot of video game.

Speaker 1 (02:16:31):
I can destroy CSGO on easy mode, baby.

Speaker 6 (02:16:34):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:16:36):
Expert mode not so much.

Speaker 6 (02:16:38):
So the timing of the gunshot in that video I kind of
like.
Ugh, it's the leg of my chairyou broke the chair.
Well, the way it looks, itlooks like somebody's hammered
it back in several times.
I think it's been broken.
I'm just going to take it down.
Mama G said how about RoboCops?
No, I think it's been broken.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
I'm sure they can take it down.
Mama G said how about Robocops?
No, I think we learned ourlesson from the movie.
They have Robocops out there.
No, yeah, in that one.
I think this is my gut instincton this.
I think they got fucking lucky,I think they showed up to
something and I'm betting thestaff at the apartment complex

(02:17:23):
was like that dude's a problemhe keeps looking at him right
now and they were like, oh shit,well, let us see what he's
doing.
And they were like they were inway in over their heads because
they're detectives andcorporals.
They don't do this stuff on thestreet every day.
And they tried to do what wejust saw and it turned into a
shit storm because they're notpatrol guys.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
So how many times are detectives in that training?
Every day they get into thatroutine of their investigators.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Yeah yep, we do need to get banning to get a fucking
better webcam, that's for sure.
What is the deal?
Come on Banning, get a littlemini tripod that screws on and
you can put either a DSLR.

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
You can put a 4K Just put an Osmo on it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:11):
It comes with a tripod, oh my.

Speaker 1 (02:18:12):
God, this guy knows Osmo, osmo.
How much is that Osmo?

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
He works for Mark 43 43.
I think they can buy a freakingcamera.
He needs to do podcasts.

Speaker 6 (02:18:24):
Here's the reality, I've got a camera for this, but
this is my, this is my workcomputer and it won't even
install the small amount ofsoftware it needs to run it.
So I need to get a new laptopthat's what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:18:37):
We got bannon's got to get a gaming laptop they can
handle and find the it guy andsay hey, your computer is crap.

Speaker 6 (02:18:48):
Well, this thing's so small.
I look like linus at the pianowhen I'm perry lemley said your
chair is an impact weapon.

Speaker 1 (02:18:55):
Banning.

Speaker 6 (02:18:56):
It is.
It is I'm playing the balancinggame right now, so I don't
freaking go into the drywall.

Speaker 1 (02:19:05):
Look, everybody that wants to go to sleep to
Banning's image at night can'tdo it because your picture's too
fuzzy.
That's the problem.
Freeman Keys, love you guysCrashing imminently.
Can't wait to see you all again.
I'm a Yankee but lived to thesouth 10 years ago.
Love it Now in two female copsas partners normal, or should

(02:19:26):
they make it male-femalepartners?

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
I have a problem with it.
That part doesn't bother me atall, they just it doesn't matter
, it's just the training.

Speaker 6 (02:19:40):
What's their motivation when they're exiting
that?

Speaker 1 (02:19:42):
The whole point behind a Batman belt is it's an
equalizer.
It's to help you out whenyou're overburdened.
Because even me, with all themartial arts training, the stuff
that I have, that doesn't do mea lot of good.
If I go against the banning,banning is just going to grab me

(02:20:06):
and I'm going to be fucked andI'm going to have to rely on it.

Speaker 6 (02:20:09):
I'm going to wrap you up and you're not going to be
able to take a breath.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
Right, I am going to have to go to everything else on
my Batman belt.
All the years of training go toeverything else on my Batman
belt.
All the years of training isgoing to.
I'm going to have to hit theperfect storm of luck to be able
to handle him physically, soit's just not going to happen.
I'm 190 pounds.

Speaker 6 (02:20:26):
Good, good training, Doesn't matter oh.

Speaker 2 (02:20:29):
I'm going to win that fight, but you know it's going
to be a whole different.
You know there's going to be.
You know, yeah, there's gonnabe.
You know, and I always say it'scalled cheating, but it's
called I win.
And why do I win?
Because I win right yeah, youknow, I had to do my daddy.
Uh, daddy, mr daddy, I think itadam sandler maybe I can't

(02:20:51):
think of the name of it uh bigdaddy, yeah, big daddy.
Why do I?

Speaker 1 (02:20:55):
win, win, yeah, the game they made up.
Uh-oh Rico trying to bring thatfire to him right now.
Okay, ladies, don't get mad atme.
Women shouldn't be cops there,I said it, unless they're former
strippers who had at least twopimps.
That's my view.
Oh shit, yeah, I'm not evengoing to touch that.

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
That's my view.

Speaker 1 (02:21:22):
Oh shit, yeah, I'm not even gonna touch that like I
feel cat's gonna like show upall of a sudden right now.
I will say, funny, I'll giveyou credit funny.
But um, honestly, honestly, uh,some of my best partners have
been females and and it's thecompliment of each other when my
words don't work, hers do.
Where her words don't work,mine does.
It's that left brain, rightbrain way of thinking, both

(02:21:46):
sides of the brain way ofthinking.
I've had great, great luck andsuccess.
I've had females.
Save my ass Angie Mapes, ifshe's out there listening I was
physically trying to cuffsomebody.
A dude went to sucker, punch mefrom behind.
I didn't even know what washappening.
She got in there and justhooked arms she to stop the

(02:22:07):
punch and then held on um longenough for for us to get help
and and I mean it was, it wasamazing.
So there are some badassfemales out there.
So, but and I know some skinny,worthless males that have stood
by while I'm in a fucking fightfor my life and, uh, didn't do

(02:22:28):
dick to help me.
So, um, I even had one tell meafterwards like, oh, you didn't
have the right, you shouldn'thave hit them, right.

Speaker 6 (02:22:41):
But you guys know as well as I do, there are some
dudes out there that have nobusiness being in this
profession because they can'tfight their way out of a wet
paper bag or they're overlyaggressive.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
And they shouldn't be cops because they're being
aggressive.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
And there's some females like that, well, and,
and they shouldn't be copsbecause of their being
aggressive, and there's somefemales like that.
From what the female officerwas doing, it's just, it goes
both ways.
It takes all kinds to do thisjob and you know, tim, you know
I don't think it matters if twofemales are working together.

(02:23:28):
It's how they play off of eachother and they've got to be
ready.
Part of the thing is, when youput that Batman belt on, you
have to be have your mental mindready to be able to do the job.

Speaker 1 (02:23:46):
And if you for a minute think that it's not going
to happen today, then that'swhen it's going to happen.
I think what the root of ourconversation should be is hiring
standards.
Yep, really, that's what itcomes down to.
Who are we hiring?

Speaker 6 (02:23:59):
Because?
And then the maintaining ofthose standards throughout their
career.

Speaker 1 (02:24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:24:03):
That's big.
I mean, there's a lot ofagencies, Eric, and you know it
as well.
Man, you have to be here, hereand here to get hired.
Okay, you're in, and then it'slike gone by the wayside.
Yeah 50 rounds every year.
You're good, I'm by the wayside.

Speaker 1 (02:24:16):
Yeah, 50 rounds every year You're good.
Yep Eye of the Night makes agreat point.
He's like like with cops ingeneral when cops are bad, it's
hard to defend them.
When female cops are bad, itmakes it hard to defend them.
It doesn't really matter maleor female, I agree, and it
doesn't help that when somebodyis made to look bad it's a

(02:24:37):
female cop and that becomes amore viral video than just the
standard dude messing up Yep.
But I can tell you we've satthere and watched guys that are
350 pounds but built differentthan Banning Banning's 320 or
whatever the fuck he claims heis.

(02:24:57):
He's fucking big, but he'scountry big.
There's a difference.
My man could throw a bale ofhay up on top of the roof versus
the dude that just sat in thebasement.
You know, been playing videogames, eating hot cheetos still
got that cheeto hanging out,which I love me some, some hot
Cheetos, by the way.
Oh my God, that's so addicting.

Speaker 2 (02:25:21):
I think you need another drink right there, buddy
.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
You know what You're right I do.
I deserve another drink.
Love me some hot Cheetos.
When I get in the house I'mgoing to destroy it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:30):
So what kind of dinner did we have tonight,
Banning?

Speaker 1 (02:25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:25:41):
What did you get on your fancy mark 43 dinner I?
Had a beautifully cooked uh,steak man, I don't even.
All I know is every bite.
It was like I I could.
Here's the deal.
I used a butter knife to cut it, it just yeah, yeah, that's how
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
It costs more than I probably make in in three, four
hours at work.
Yep.

Speaker 6 (02:25:59):
You, son of a bitch.
The person sitting next to mewasn't hungry, so I snatched
that plate, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
Here's the real question.
Here's the real question.
Guys, you know that we'retrying to get sponsors to help
do this show and whatnot.
We got Mark 43.
We got other companies RetroRifle, peregrine, let's see
Insight, lpr.
These are companies.
Retro rifle, peregrine.
Um, let's see, uh, insight lpr.
These are all police relatedthings, guys, what I want

(02:26:24):
everybody to understand, if youhear us talking about police
related sponsors, know that thesponsors that we encourage with
our police is stuff that's goingto improve policing.
So I want you to understand andtrust that everything.
We're not just taking anybody'smoney Right now.

(02:26:44):
We ain't taking anybody's money.
We don't get paid.
We're not getting paid byanybody fuckers but we're trying
, and right now the ones thatwe're trying to get is because
we morally and ethically alignwith them, because we want to
improve policing.
So that's what we're trying toget.
So it's kind of cool.
Um, have you talked I haven'ttalked to duncan donuts, I have

(02:27:05):
talked to several donut placesand they just fell through yeah
that's just.
And and they were local places.
They weren't like places likethey're, not like a timmy
hortons or a duncan donuts orcrispy cream.
Um, I haven't talked to any ofthose guys.
I don't, I don't know anybodyto talk to and I right, it's a
networking thing.

(02:27:26):
I don't, I don't see thathappen.
It would be awesome.
I would love that to happen,because I love me some donuts.
But uh, perry lemley saidinvestigators don't have much of
a batman, but they don't.
That's a good point.
Typically, your investigators,when they go out, they have a
radio, their gun.

Speaker 6 (02:27:44):
Maybe a backup mag.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
Maybe they don't really have anything other than
that because they're not patrolofficers.
They don't need all that stufffor what they do day to day and
in your agency.

Speaker 2 (02:27:57):
to become an investigator, do you have to
learn to train without theBatman belt?

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
No, but you bring up a point that I was just about to
hit.
When I would go out, Ipurposely bought a utility belt
for myself, one of those.
I call them like range belts.
They don't go into belt loopsor anything like that, they just
go over top them.
Like range belts.
They don't go into belt loopsor anything like that, they just
go over top.
But they had the mollies onthem and I put my handcuffs, my

(02:28:24):
gun, another taser holder and aradio holder on there and my
pepper spray so I could justthrow that thing on and I was
ready to go if I had to go outand make contact on detective
stuff.
So for those listening andwondering what the hell I'm
talking about, a detective sitsbehind the desk most of the time
, but we have to go out and wehave to collect evidence, we

(02:28:44):
have to get video evidence, wehave to get written statements,
things like that.
Well, if I'm going to go out inthe public, I need to be ready
just for shit like this that wejust watched happen.
But there's no training to tellme that, there's no
requirements to make me do that.
So for me I was like I'm notand I would actually have

(02:29:06):
detectives make fun of me forcarrying all that shit going out
.
I'm like we worked.
I I was working in the worstside of town, where I'm at right
on the east side, and I'm likeyou guys know like I'm like a
second away from some bullshithappening right next to me.
How do you not go out therelike that?

Speaker 6 (02:29:27):
I don't get.
It's just like when I was at mylast agency being out in the
county, I got called out becauseof our manpower all the time.
So even if we were going out todinner in town, I threw my.
I have an exterior carrier fora uniform and I would just go
ahead and just wear my gun andmy badge, leave that carrier in
my vehicle because it was goingto happen yeah, that's when it

(02:29:50):
happened.
Is when you have radio we're ata steakhouse or whatever in
jacksboro, just bring my radiobecause I knew I was going to
start raining.
And they start pinging me onthe radio and I can just but I'm
, I'm patrol ready.
Yep, you go out with what Iwear on patrol right there with
me.
So it's, it's uh yeah, thetrain man, you gotta bring the
right stuff yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:30:10):
So I got one more video.
Um, I this is not a body camreview video.
This is one that we put out onour instagram and everything
else.
Um, and I just wanted to shareit because we kind of did a
mashup on this one and it was agood discussion starter.
There was a lot of good pointsbrought up on this, some that I
hadn't even considered.
So I thought it may be a goodthing to talk about, just kind

(02:30:32):
of wind the night down and havesomething fun to, to discuss,
and on kind of a positive noteat that.
So I'm going to play this Doesthis get bigger?
Oh, does that get bigger foryou?

Speaker 2 (02:30:45):
It just yeah.
No, that's bigger right there.

Speaker 1 (02:30:48):
That's bigger, all right, easy banning sicko.

Speaker 2 (02:30:53):
It's twisted freaky.

Speaker 1 (02:30:56):
In this video this officer clocks a car going 133
miles an hour.
How you doing, man, Good?

Speaker 3 (02:31:00):
133 miles an hour.
That's the fastest I've everseen in 20 years.
You got to slow down a littlebit.
What's going on?
I'm stuck.
Oh, okay, is there anypaperwork on the car?
I'll verify it.
The guy acknowledged the speed.
He said he's upset.
You could tell he was shaking.
Hopefully he'll calm down alittle bit.
Okay, registration license.
Everything's good.
I'll hand all that back to you.
I deserve a ticket.

(02:31:20):
I haven't had a ticket since1981.
Really, no, wow.
Yeah, I mean the main thinggoing forward is just for your
own safety and not to slow down.
I mean if something runs out infront of you a coyote or
whatever I mean you'll.
Whatever's going on, you get itstraightened out.
I can tell you you're moreimportant than whatever it is.
So just remember that, hang outwith the people that you care
about or that support you, andto heck with whatever else is

(02:31:42):
going on.
You'll get through it.
Thank you.
All right, be safe.
All right, have a great day.

Speaker 6 (02:31:46):
Scares me half to death.

Speaker 1 (02:31:47):
All right, so I'm going responses, um, but this
was an interesting one becausethis is where you you guys in
the audience, members of the twocops, one donut community, you
guys bumped heads on this onebig time.

(02:32:09):
Some of you were like that'sbullshit, he should have been
arrested.
And that's coming from somepeople that I've heard be fairly
anti-cop he should have beenarrested.
And that's coming from somepeople that I've heard be fairly
anti-cop he should have beenarrested.
And then there's others thatwere mad that he wrote a ticket.
There were others that were madthat he didn't dig deeper.
Why did he let him leave?

(02:32:32):
There were others that wantedthe officer to not preach.
I was was like holy shit.
So I'm just curious for thosethat are logged on right now,
like what's your impression ofthis thing?
Now I will tell you myimpression.
My impression of this was hereyou got an officer that he did a
little bit of both.

(02:32:53):
He did the enforcement side.
He deserved a ticket.
Could he have been taken tojail?
Yes, 100% could have been takento jail.
But the officer took the timeand recognized the social cues
that something else was going onand asked some questions.

Speaker 2 (02:33:10):
Well, I think he had a responsibility to ask those
questions because we are dealingwith the mental health stuff
going on.

Speaker 1 (02:33:18):
You never know if he says you know he was doing it
because he was trying to hurthimself or something right and
and that's the other thing toois like being on the roadside is
one of the most dangerousplaces for an officer.
So for those are like, oh, heshould have done.
He done, he should have dugdeeper not in that position
where he was at, and therewasn't enough to me to have to

(02:33:40):
dig deeper.
He didn't say, well, I want tohurt myself.
He just said that he was sadand he was going through some
shit and probably wasn'tthinking straight.
We've all been there.
I think we've all been there,I've been there.
So that's kind of my impressionof it Banning what.
Obviously you've done part ofthis before you've seen it, but

(02:34:02):
how?
What?

Speaker 6 (02:34:02):
explain how it was for you I mean it was the same
for me, you know, justunfortunately.
I've dealt with we all havedealt with situations like that.
Um, with me personally, whenthe people say dig deeper, I'm
one of those people.
I'm gonna try to get somebodythere and create a really safe
area for a moment.
I don't want to hold people uplonger but I also want to make
sure he's good to go before hegets behind that rocket ship

(02:34:24):
again, or he may do a voluntary.
He wants to get some help inthis.
Maybe this was the straw on thecamel's back that broke it.
That was pointed out to him.
Maybe he's ready to talk tosomebody we've.
We've got to be understandingenough as law enforcement to to
provide that for him, whetherit's giving a ride, providing an
ambulance, taking somebody fora voluntary or even an
involuntary.

(02:34:45):
You know edp is what we call itstate of texas uh tour where
you know we're signing off on apiece of paper and they're going
to do a 24 to 48 hour hold andyou get to speak to a
psychologist and a psychiatristand maybe get some things lined
up to where it helps them in thefuture.
You know I always hated doingthat to somebody on a traffic
stop or a call, but it's in thebest interest of them and it's

(02:35:06):
and it's.
We've got to go that littleextra route.
I'm right there with you, eric,when you say it's the most
dangerous place to be at.
I don't know how many times I'mlike hey brother, let's take the
next exit.
There's a QT.
Let's get out of here and we'llgo inside and get a cup of
coffee together if he's got thetime.
But I want to talk to him alittle bit and I just want to
make sure he's good.
Now.
It's none of my business whathe's going through, but I got to

(02:35:26):
make sure his mental facultiesare good.

Speaker 1 (02:35:30):
He doesn't want to harm himself or somebody else,
yeah it.
I don't think speeding ingeneral should be a jailable,
unless there are other factorslike weaving around and not
maintaining like, yeah, actuallybeing a danger.
Just driving fast in itself,I'm with you, especially on a
freeway, expressway, whateveryou want to call it.
Driving in a straight damn line, like if you're in the fast

(02:35:51):
lane, just on cruise mode, like,yeah, I'm, but you guys know me
, I don't do a whole lot of, uh,traffic enforcement.
I I make stops often but Idon't write tickets.
So, um, let me see there.
Uh, he saw he was upset andshaking, though um, andy
fletcher said not sure if youcaught it earlier, but I don't

(02:36:11):
care for discretion.
Oh, let's discuss that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
So then here's the next one.
He said, so I want you to takeboth of those in.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
If you're going to cite or arrest me, you better do
it all.
See, I don't, I am.
I am a hundred percent not withthat, because I think most
police work, the good policework, lives in that gray.
That's where.
That's why we have discretion.
Discretion is what keeps thesystem from being overburdened,

(02:36:44):
to begin with.
And not only do the cops havediscretion, so do the
prosecutors.
But guess whose discretionnever gets checked?
Your prosecutors.
Their discretion doesn't everget looked at Not that I've seen
, but mine sure as shit does.
And that is part of the problem.

(02:37:05):
We've got one of the mostoverburdened systems in the
nation.
How do we help deal with thatdiscretion?
Discretion is a beautiful tool.

Speaker 2 (02:37:16):
Well, and the law isn't black and white like
there's so much read into it,and so if you take away the
discretion piece, right like now, you have people that, from all
different walks of life,determined having to come up
with the exact same conclusion.
That's just not, you know, I Idon't see that as a possibility

(02:37:40):
yeah, so it.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
For me, the discretion side of things is the
bread and butter of police work.
The problem is it's not enoughcops use it and then some cops
use it to sparing or too much,so there's like a fine balance
that needs to be done.
You do have to take each callfor what it is.

(02:38:02):
You can't do any lumpgeneralization of discretion.
Each call by its own merits,each call, and there's a ton of
fucking calls y'all, so we'renot going to get them all right.
But in this instance you got aguy, got.
I mean, what would jail do forhim after that discussion?
Now if he'd been driving thatvast and he's like fuck y'all, I

(02:38:25):
don't give a shit, fuckeverybody else out here.
Well, it's not that he saidfuck me so much, it's that it's,
he doesn't care about anybodythat's out here.
I can't take that risk.
Now you got to go to jail.
Andy Fletcher said they are theworst.
They rarely prosecute your badex-co-workers, your

(02:38:47):
ex-co-workers.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (02:38:50):
I guess when officers get in trouble they don't
prosecute.
It's kind of how I'm takingthat.

Speaker 1 (02:38:55):
Maybe Can you clarify that, andy.
Andy, I'm not avoiding it, Ijust want to make sure I
understand what you said.
Maybe this will help clarify.
Yeah, but prosecutors havestronger immunity that cops too,
also, and judges are evenstronger immunity than that.
So when we talk about qualifiedimmunity and all that stuff, a

(02:39:18):
lot of times you will hear mesay it isn't the cops that
you're mad at.
That's the problem.
It's the court system, becausepart of qualified immunity for
all the rest of them falls on it, specifically aligning with a
court case, which I'm with you,that needs to be altered.

(02:39:42):
I don't agree with that.
I don't think it should have tospecifically fall to the
precedence of another court case.
But the prosecutors and thejudges don't have the checks and
balances that the cops have,and it's horseshit because more
times than not, it isn't thecops, it's the courts.

(02:40:04):
It's the courts and I canpromise you the courts are not a
friend of cops, not at all.
More often than not I findmyself frustrated because I know
I've got somebody that is aviolent criminal and I see them
out in less than a yearsometimes and I'm just like you

(02:40:25):
want to beat your head againstthe wall.
You're like this person is amenace and there's nothing I can
do about it.
I have no recourse.
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 6 (02:40:39):
Banning got anything on that, he's like fuck, no,
it's.
You know, I've seen I've beenin great districts, if you will,
and I've been in horrible onesin reference to how the DA judge
and this, and that I meanthere's some that were there to
hang officers for whatever, andthen there's some that just
wouldn't even look at the case,and that's horrible.

(02:41:00):
I mean it's not.
None of that is good for thecommunity.
You just gotta be neutral andlook at everything as you should
as a DA and a judge and andrule accordingly and either
either get it on the docket ordismiss it, but do a full, full
look at it.

Speaker 1 (02:41:16):
You want to see big change in the criminal justice
system.
Start putting these samerequirements that you guys want
for law enforcement on yourcourt system and on your
correction system.
Yep, they should.
If they're.
If they're on the floor, theybetter have body cams going.
That's for prisons.
If they've got, if they're onthe floor, they need to have
body cams going.
If we're talking aboutprosecution, they need to have

(02:41:37):
body cams going.
If we're talking aboutprosecution, then they need to
have prosecution oversightmonitors, just like we have for
police police oversight monitors.
I did a podcast with a policeoversight monitor and it opened
up my eyes.
I was like you know what?
It wasn't that I was against it, I just didn't trust it.
Like anybody with new things, Ididn't trust it.
But then once I sat down andtalked to somebody and did the

(02:42:05):
interview with her um, I'm ahuge fan.
I thought it was great.
I thought the conversation wasamazing.
Um rico said courts are morepolitical than anything else
except municipal courts.
That's all about money andthat's what I'm talking about.
Like, why do we hold thefrontline people, the police
that are?
We're basically pawns.

(02:42:25):
Let's be honest.
We're fucking pawns.
Everybody knows it, the cops,we ourselves know it and we just
we have to.
We want to help, so we have toplay around, we have to play
with the rules that we have.
So that's not an excuse forcops.
There's definitely room forimprovement, guys.
So I'm not trying to makeexcuses for cops, but what

(02:42:47):
frustrates me the most is theconstant pressure on policing
when there's zero on courts.
Yep, and I cannot tell you howmany times I've been pissed off.
Where the courts I'm sitting,I'm like who's who's reviewing
this and saying that we're goingto release this person or this
person's not going to beprosecutor, we're going to give

(02:43:10):
that guy a deal.
There's no oversight.
There's no fucking oversight.
That drives me through thefucking wall.

Speaker 6 (02:43:20):
I have entered a lot of cases, being a, you know,
here in Texas family violencecase with the appendix of
strangulation, to where you havetrue victims and you need this
person.
The offender needs to go beforea jury of his peers for what's
going on.
The offender needs to go beforea jury of his peers for what's
going on, and I have seen DAsreject a case based on name,

(02:43:44):
based on, you know, political.
The politics in the courtroomneed to be eliminated.
Politics and law enforcement, Ibelieve, need to be eliminated.
You know we've got to have acompletely.
It's supposed to be the justicesystem, right?
Yeah, and it's, and it'ssupposed to be equal and fair
for everybody and I can tell youright now it's not freaking

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equally unfair.
So it's.
It's disgruntling for me andevery officer out there that are
putting in airtight cases andwe've done everything, and
here's the bow on it.
We're giving it to you all theevidence is there and then you
find out a week later that theintake person didn't even take
that yeah, rico brings.

Speaker 1 (02:44:22):
I'm sorry, good, sorry, okay.
Rico brings up a good point.
He says, as a trucker, anytimeI go through a town where their
cops have brand new cruisers, Iknow they're aggressive on
traffic and I want to get behind.
The meaning of what he's sayingis you get these agencies,
especially sheriff's departmentsno offense to sheriff's
departments, man, I know that'skind of what you came from um,

(02:44:45):
they get through seizures, theyget the money back through these
seizures where they get toeither seize a vehicle and then
they auction it off and they getthat money, or they get a money
seizure on a dope doper or anyof that stuff.
And so when you see that thatis one, that that's a, that's an

(02:45:06):
incentive, yeah, and it's oneof the they took away and they
made it illegal to have.
Um, what am I talking about?
The?
Uh, quotas, quotasotas.
You can't have that.
That's been a thing since the80s, I believe.
Quotas are not a thing, but theykind of still are, and I will
tell you, as a cop, I know howthey do it.

(02:45:28):
Here's how the quotas are stillenforced when you get into a
specialized agency, when you getinto a specialized unit such as
, let's say, motors, where youget to ride a motorcycle all day
.
You, those guys get a lot of um, uh, overtime duties and and
specialized duties where theyget to work like football games

(02:45:49):
and presidential and politicalthings and all the all these
different specialized events,step grants, step grants all of
these of these things.
They get these incentives, butthe only way they get to stay in
that unit is through theirevals.
And if their evals come throughand their evals don't show that

(02:46:09):
they're making very many stopsand they're not doing very much
and they're not producing forthe unit, well then they dip and
then now there's no reason tokeep them on, so we can just put
them back to patrol.
And that's how some of thesedepartments out there are doing
quotas without actually doingquotas.

Speaker 2 (02:46:29):
Well, and there's a comment earlier Um, so in in
Texas anyway, when you have acitation, a class C citation,
and it's given to the courts, um, you would be shocked at how
little of that money comes backto the agency or the local city.

(02:46:51):
Um, you know that the moneythat you're seeing that goes
back to the court system and tothe state, it does not come back
.
Um, you know, I think it's likeless than 20% of that money
comes back.

Speaker 6 (02:47:04):
Here's how the breakdown is in Texas Cause
working interdiction and doingseizures when necessary, either
on on cash or assets throughyour County and this is 90%
across the state of Texas.
The, the DA's office will take50% of that for working the
civil forfeiture case.
Now the officers startedrealizing this and they started

(02:47:27):
working a lot closer with theDEA.
If the DEA adopts your case,the DEA is only going to take
20% and 80% is going back to thedepartment and that can go back
into to general funds howseizure money works.
It's not going into the officersalaries.
Let me get that off the table.

Speaker 1 (02:47:44):
Yeah, it's definitely not going to the officer salary
.

Speaker 6 (02:47:46):
It's, it's, it's, it's equipment, it goes towards
everything, the tools, tools oftrade, so to speak.
But ergo, that's why a lot ofsheriff's offices can.
They're getting a lot of moneyseizures, you know, going
westbound on the highway back tothe source after the dope's
been delivered, and they getthat type of seizure and it can
be used for purchasing vehicles,uplifting vehicles, paying for
canine units, stuff like that,to help fund those type of

(02:48:10):
activities, to make lawenforcement better.

Speaker 2 (02:48:12):
That's how our agency got our rifles.
I mean we wouldn't have riflesif it wasn't for that Right
agency got our rifles.

Speaker 1 (02:48:18):
I mean that's yeah, we wouldn't have rifles if it
wasn't for that right and andit's it's important to have
these discussions and talk aboutbecause there's a lot of people
that don't understand that it'sstill going on.
So you want to talk about, like, don't get me wrong, if we're
busting down, you know a methlab and we seize a hundred
thousand dollars and in thetypical briefcase and you know

(02:48:39):
they've got a couple of, let'sjust say, dodge chargers in the
point, in the and we turn thoseinto patrol cars like, okay,
cool, not only did you do a goodthing, you stopped the dope
ring and this causes a lot ofviolence in the neighborhood and
whatever.
Everybody gets that logicalargument.
But you got to walk that fineline of does that incentivize

(02:49:04):
you guys to create shit thatisn't there?
And that is where people have aproblem is.
Are we creating shit that isn'tthere?
Where's the checks and balances?
So, maybe create an asset forforfeiture monitor.
That's not police related.
That would be, uh, that would.

(02:49:25):
That would be a fix to me, thatthat just like having a police
monitor, or maybe that's part ofthe police monitor's job.
I don't know, I'm spitballinghere y'all, but unless we have
these conversations, who's goingto fucking have them and who's
going to have what cops aregoing to have these with

(02:49:46):
everybody else?
Because it's not happening,apparently.
I think that's part of the drawto what we do.
We're willing to have thesefucking conversations.
So have some oversight,oversight, oversight, oversight,
oversight.
We need separate oversight.
Um, I, I am.
I've learned a lot aboutinternal affairs over the last

(02:50:09):
four years doing this show.
Um, I actually have a lot offaith in internal affairs
overall.
Uh, I didn't realize the checksand balances they have.
I plan to have another personon from an internal affairs
background to really talk abouthow the checks and balances work

(02:50:32):
and why they should be a littlemore trusted than what they are
, because we always hear thesame thing like oh, oh, of
course they investigatedthemselves and found nothing
wrong.
Katherine video time.
I got no more videos, katherine.
Sorry, you got chat time now.
You guys got to remember, too.
What we do is we always uploadthese lives to our podcast and

(02:50:53):
you are able to listen to themas well.
So there are some people thatthey don't even watch it, they
just listen.
So I apologize, I got no morevideos though.
Seriously, so if you were herejust for the body, cam videos
might be a good time for you tobow out, because we're just
going to talk police shit withy'all and figure out how to

(02:51:14):
start solving problems that wehave no way of starting to
implement, such as oversight forasset forfeiture.
Banny, you look like you gotsomething to say, bud.

Speaker 6 (02:51:26):
No, and I know there's a lot of people in the
comments that don't like assetforfeiture.
I don't like how it's done insome states as well, but I don't
have the power to change that.
Anytime I did an assetforfeiture I mean we're talking
several hundred pounds ofmethamphetamine or a lot of cash
, and through that interviewprocess you're finding out that
it's illicit on how it wasreceived and that's when the

(02:51:47):
asset forfeiture goes, and wedidn't.
You know, a law enforcementofficer has to look at it as the
booking, me being the guy onthe street.
I've got to figure out, youknow, if they're in a BMW, did
they just purchase it?
Do they still owe $70,000 on it?
What's where?
You know, I don't want a Countyor an agency to have to pay for
a car.
Send it to auction.
They're going to lose money.
It's a waste of taxpayer funds.

(02:52:08):
But if they're truly doingsomething, bad bar none, that's
the only time we would actuallylook at seizing assets and it is
what it is.
I know people don't like it,but we were.
You know, our unit was very,very careful with how we did it.
I mean, you've got to have areally bad person that are doing
these types of activities totake something I got you.

(02:52:30):
Eric, you're multiplying.

Speaker 1 (02:52:33):
I did.
I had two cameras set up foryou all tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:52:36):
Is that so you could have multi-personalities, like
talking?

Speaker 1 (02:52:39):
on the show.
Yes, it is Alan.
Yes, it is Sorry.
I had to have some fun with thecameras tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:52:47):
guys Do you get a shirt that's got like two
different you know prints on it.
Oh, like a half and half.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:52:58):
I gotcha.
For some reason our audiencegot into the 14th and 13th
Amendment.
Yeah, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (02:53:06):
Don't say that, because then you're going to get
them all riled up.

Speaker 1 (02:53:11):
Oh, I don't know how that happened.
I was going to say I don't evenknow how that happened.
I thought you were going gonnasay something else here's a
brain teaser whichconstitutional amendment
codified slavery?
I would have got that wrong.
I will say that I'm I wouldn'thave known that one, because it
was ratified december the 6th1865 because I could tell you

(02:53:35):
this right now I had nothing todo with slavery, nothing,
nothing, not even my ancestors.
So French, italian,french-italian and Chippewa,
that's all my ancestors, none ofwhich were slaves or owned

(02:53:56):
slaves.
Chippewas mine were all furtraders.
I didn't have anybody in myfamily that was enslaved or
anything like that.
Gotcha, nope, oh yeah, you'rethat northern guy yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
I was where everybody was tryingto go because of the freedom.
Yep, yep, very true.

(02:54:16):
Um, let me see what ozark say.
What do you mean?
You don't know it all by heart,off the top of your head, y'all
.
I didn't know, my own fuckingbirthday.
We had this discussion earliertonight.
Tonight I thought I was turning43.
My wife had to tell me I wasturning 42 just saying so no, I

(02:54:42):
don't have shit memorized.
You know what?
Thank you, lord, for these,because now I'm like yeah, you
think you know the law.
Hold on a second.
Let me look up texas law.
There it is right there, buddy,I told you was right and you
can show them right there.
Oh shit, tim said 635 amendment, I think.

(02:55:05):
Is there that many?
I don't think there's that many.
27.
Constitutional country girlssaid mine either, Mostly French
and Syrian.
Oh, that's cool.
Syrian's different.
Don't hear that a whole lot.
Eye of the Knight Irish andScottish here.
I thought they didn't get along.
Forbidden love in Eye of theKnight's family.

(02:55:29):
There's some scotch in thatworld.
You didn't know your age, Ididn't.
That was part of what we weretalking about earlier.
Country Girl.
You may not have caught it, butmy wife had called me out
because I have said, probablyover the last year, that I'm 42.
And she's like why do you keeptelling people on your podcast
you're 42?
And I'm like because I am.

(02:55:50):
She's like you're an idiot,You're 41.
You're turning 42.
Completely thought I was 42,y'all.
You're 41.
You're turning 42.
Completely thought I was 42,y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:55:59):
We're going to have to do some more stand-up videos
with you.
That one I don't agree with.
What that?
I'm older.
That you're fat.

Speaker 1 (02:56:10):
I don't know.
That was probably for me guys,it's definitely for Benny.
Benny is old and super fat.
I am 192 pounds and I'm 5'11",so I'll let you all decide.
If I'm fat, I do have chubbycheeks.
It's just what the Lord'sblessed me with.

(02:56:31):
I've always had little chubbycheeks.

Speaker 6 (02:56:33):
I've got you in wait, just for my knee to my right
cankle man.

Speaker 1 (02:56:39):
Big country bastard.
Nassau County police in NewYork.
They love asset forfeitureReally interesting, you know
what.
Maybe that's something I needto cover.
Maybe that'll be let me get anasset forfeiture expert on here
and then we'll we'll go tofucking town.
We'll let our people destroythem.
One of my favorite things aboutour audience, by the way, is

(02:57:00):
they're a relentlessness thatthey will put on somebody that's
an expert in whatever it is.
So we got to get vaughn on.
We got to do our qualifiedimmunity episode.
Um, I want to get a, uh, youknow what?
Maybe we can get mr billfoldbecause he, he, seems to want to
be the counter expert.

(02:57:21):
So maybe we can get mr billfoldand vaughn and then we'll.
We'll keep it small because Idon't want to have all of our
cast on there.
Um, you know, we'll just keepkeep a small crowd and then, uh,
let them to talk.
I'll try to moderate with banand then we'll see how that goes
.
What do you think about thatBanning?

Speaker 6 (02:57:42):
I love it, man.
Yeah, I'm sure we can reach outin our Rolodex and find some
really good folks.

Speaker 1 (02:57:48):
Yeah, Maybe we'll get Daniel on there too.
How did you get that that big?

Speaker 2 (02:57:52):
I didn't, I just hit the show button, holy shit.

Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
Why is that so big?
That's so weird.
That's never done that.
Anyway, jim Minor, I have aquestion, and I think he meant,
granted, it's California.
My friend just approached me.
He went into Fresno County forhis concealed carry weapon
permit interview.
The guy said he may not get itdue to a juvenile record at 13

(02:58:20):
years old for stealing candy.
I stole candy.
Um, I'm just raising my hand.
Uh, sounded strange to me.
Does that sound correct?
Fuck, no, that doesn't soundcorrect it.

Speaker 2 (02:58:30):
It does for that state just maybe, maybe for that
state.
I know two people that havegone through that interview
process.
Guys, it's like a year-longprocess to do that concealed
carry, that's why we're in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:58:43):
Guys, yeah, Guys choose your state wisely.
I get it.
Texas gets a lot of crap forsome of the shit that it does.
Trust me, I come from Michiganso I understand.
But I can tell you down here Ifeel a lot freer than I do back
home in Michigan.
So you got to pick where youlive In Texas.

(02:59:05):
You know certain points.
Point to point, it takes like12 to 16 hours to get across.

Speaker 2 (02:59:09):
I'm just saying it's pretty big.
I actually drove back fromScottsdale, arizona, on Sunday
quicker than I could have gottento Houston.
It took me seven and a halfhours to get to home from
Scottsdale.
It takes me a little over eighthours to get to Houston.

Speaker 1 (02:59:26):
Yeah, country Girl wants to talk about Pennsylvania
versus Mims, which I'm prettyversed in.
I've gotten pretty damn good atPennsylvania versus Mims, so if
that's something you want todiscuss, I could definitely get
into that.
Oh, country Girl, I'm good atPennsylvania, rush Mims.
So if that's something you wantto discuss, I could definitely
get into that.
Oh, country Girl, I'm glad youbrought up Sean Paul Reyes,
because we are actually tryingto get him on the show.
So that is going to be the ideathat I plan to do.

(02:59:49):
Again, keep it small.
I want to have Banning Me, mattand Sean on, and then we're
going to have Sean.
I don't want him to feel likehe's being teamed up on or
anything.
I definitely don't think he'dfeel that way with Matt being
there, but I would.
I would love to have Sean Paulraise on, and that that's one of

(03:00:11):
the things we're working ondoing.
Matt's pretty confident he canmake that happen, so I'm going
to leave it in his hands.
And yeah, you're right, thatwould be a great freaking
episode.

Speaker 2 (03:00:23):
Harrison Brock oh, she's touching.

Speaker 1 (03:00:29):
Harrison, shut your mouth, shut the fuck up.
Ain't nobody, ain't nobody.
You don't even believe what youjust said.
Who are you trying to kid?
You cannot tell me, with yourstraight gap to smile, that you
believe Kentucky's better thanTexas.
Come on, quit eating all thatbluegrass.
Which is Harrison out theretrying to act like Kentucky's

(03:00:55):
better than Texas?
Oh man, nice try Harrison, nicetry.
Texas is an agricultural giant,not to mention oil.
Oklahoma is like Texas' secondcousin once removed.
It does surprise me theanimosity between Oklahoma and
Texas as being the neutraloutside third party, they don't

(03:01:19):
like each other y'all.
I don't understand it.
Don't get it To me.
It's all the South, they alldeal with tornadoes, everybody's
got to deal with tornadoes andBanning's over there not saying
shit.
He's like I'm from Oklahoma, no.

Speaker 6 (03:01:36):
Don't put that, juju on me.

Speaker 1 (03:01:38):
See, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (03:01:40):
I don't even want to be rumored I may spend some time
in Oklahoma by the.
Red River, but I'm not fromOklahoma.

Speaker 1 (03:01:50):
Mag Dump said Sean Paul Reyes really knows the NASA
asset forfeiture stuff.
Let's see, that'd be great, wecould get him on.
We could talk about FirstAmendment auditing NASA asset
forfeiture stuff.
See, that'd be great, we couldget him on.
We could talk about FirstAmendment auditing and asset
forfeiture, asset forfeiture,anyway, it's a smoke wagon.
Anytime I start drinking thisred-labeled shit, my brain just

(03:02:11):
shuts down.
I was fine until then, are you?

Speaker 2 (03:02:16):
going to have to have an escort inside again.

Speaker 1 (03:02:18):
I know, know, right sean will tell you, just like I
do, the problem cops are farmore widespread than you'd like
to believe.
No, I it's not.
I don't believe it, I thinkit's just we're not talking
about actual, real numbers.
Yeah, 300 and okay, this is anapproximate.
I and you guys have heard mesay this before 350 million
calls for service.

(03:02:38):
Okay, 750,000 cops in thenation, approximate Less than
Less than 1% lead to a use offorce or a complaint, and then
.0006% of those are sustainedwarranted complaints or an
excessive force.
And that's coming from theuniform code.

(03:03:01):
What is that called?
Banning the uniform?

Speaker 2 (03:03:02):
code ucr ucr.

Speaker 1 (03:03:05):
Yeah, um.
So my point is it there areproblems in policing, for sure,
but what we're looking at isn'tas widespread as what people
like to think and it's hard to.
How do you, how do you evenmeasure that?

(03:03:27):
How do you measure that?
How do you?
We see the viral videos, buthow many of the good videos are
you seeing?
That's why we make it a pointto show the good videos too.
No one shares the good,everybody shares the bad.
And then when you consider that, when you do see the bad cops,
how big is the agency?
Is it a small agency?

(03:03:48):
Is it a large agency?
All these things make adifference.
So just things to consider.
And then the other thing that Itried to get into earlier is how
many criminal justice systemprograms are there?
How many criminal justicesystems are there?
18,000 plus statewide, if youcount, because every criminal

(03:04:10):
justice system operatesdifferently.
What happens in Tarrant Countyversus Dallas County, versus
Detroit County versus DenverCounty?
I don't know if they have theactual counties, but how they
handle their criminal justicesystem is different in every
single state, in every singlecounty and then in each

(03:04:33):
individual city.
It's fucking nuts.
We have no continuity when itcomes to the criminal justice
system.
Oh, what's that?
Um oh, I thought somebodylogged in.
I was like what the fuck isthat taking over my shit?
That is the uniform crimereporting program, ucr.

Speaker 2 (03:04:53):
That's what I was trying to get to earlier um,
that's the guy behind the scenesdoing stuff he's supposed to do
.
Right, finally, one job.

Speaker 1 (03:05:05):
I'm done here.
Oh, harrison said he's tryingto justify his terrible Kentucky
joke.
I think I guess you did not getthe joke about.
The 18th Amendment declared theproduction, transport and sale
of intoxicating liquors.
No, I did not get that, sir.
And sale of intoxicatingliquors illegal.
No, I did not get that, sir.
I was not born duringProhibition.
So you know what you know.
What you don't understand,harrison Brock, is that if you

(03:05:27):
have seven or more sex toys inyour car, you are committing a
crime in the state of Texas.
If you decide to paint yourchicken an unnatural color, you
are violating the law in thestate of Texas.
Things to consider, sir, thingsto consider and the rookie is
more likely getting that case.

(03:05:51):
Get Izzo back on to talk.
Oh for sure I can get Izzo onanytime.
Me and Izzo are boys.
You know what?
I should have brought him ontonight, considering everybody
bailed on us tonight.
Everybody was busy.
So, yeah, trey backed out lastminute.
So make sure you guys give therookie some shit about cop

(03:06:12):
accountability.
Yeah for sure Fuck, if there'sanybody.
Now the problem is and Izzostays very reserved when he's on
my program because he knows I'mstill a cop.
This is why Izzo is such a gooddude.
He understands I'm still a cop.
He is 100% the shock jock style.
I can't be that.

(03:06:34):
I can't do that.
And I can't do it on the showbecause I can be fired, even
though it's not me saying it,because I'm letting it happen.
So I am very careful about whatI do and who I have on.
But iso is so cool and he is aI mean genuine dude.
He's a cop's cop.

(03:06:54):
He will come on here and, uh, Ican paint my chicken any color
I want to.
Not in texas, bro.
Um so yeah, I, I can have asiso on here anytime.
He would do it in a heartbeat.
Um so yeah, if you want iso on,I'll get him on again, not a
problem.
So I would love to have him onum, I just trying to think of

(03:07:16):
when we'd have them on Jesus,country Girl, save your money
girl.
She just gifted anothermembership.

Speaker 6 (03:07:23):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:07:24):
The funny thing about the gifting of the memberships
is it lands on somebody random,william Nelson.
William's like I didn't evencomment.
Why the fuck did I get it?
That's awesome.
First and foremost, countrygirl, thank you very much.
And then william nelson hey,buddy, speak up.
Man, I don't think I've heardhim look at mag dumps like damn

(03:07:49):
it, I almost got one.
He's like that's why you dyethe chicken.
It's not paint.
Uh, I think it's just a mantrying to get through loopholes
here.
Quit fucking with your chickens.
Y'all Semantics.

Speaker 6 (03:08:02):
Semantics, semantics.
Quit fucking with your chickens.
And sometimes you're going tofind chicken in those cars with
the seven other things.

Speaker 1 (03:08:09):
Izzo, I will defend him.
He's not a woman hater.
He just doesn't believe thatwomen should be in law
enforcement.
We disagree 100%, yep, and oneof the great things about what I
try to push out there, guys, iswe don't have to agree, but we
can still be friends and we canstill talk Absolutely.
That's why I don't boot anybody.

(03:08:29):
If you got booted from ourprogram, if you got booted from
any of our platforms, you eithergot booted because you were
being racist or causing forviolence.
Those are two things I have todo that I can do regardless.
Or you just repeatedly ignoredmy pleas for you to not troll.

(03:08:53):
I want to have conversation, Iwant to have discourse, but if
your only intent is to troll,I'm not gonna let you keep
fucking with with everybodyelse's time.
So those are the only timesthat that happens.
I don't.
I've never booted anybody fortrolling let's just put it that

(03:09:14):
way, but I will.
I, everybody that I have warnedhas stopped because I've
straight up told them hey, I getit.
You're trying to troll.
I'm here for real conversation.
I don't want to boot you, butI'm going to give you this is
your one warning.
Please at least try to have aconversation.
I try to be sincere.

(03:09:36):
It's hard to convey sometimeson the internet, but every time
it's worked so far.
Who else Tim gifted a membership.
Look at Tim go.
Tim's gifted memberships outthere.
And Pravis, a guy that deservesa membership.
Not that the other ones didn't.
Pravis has talked a lot on here.
I'm glad Pravis got amembership.
That's very cool.

(03:09:57):
Pravis talked a lot on here.
I'm glad Pravis got amembership.
That's very cool.
Pravis enjoy.
Buddy Tim, thank you very much.
You're a badass.
Look, everybody's giving himprops too.
Tim.
Nice Tim.
Way to go, tim.
Like that's cool.
It's fun to watch the communitykind of Get back and forth.
Two cops don't, but you make itso easy to troll you,
especially being sheriff.
You motherfuckers, fuck you,fuck you.

(03:10:18):
But you make it so easy totroll you, especially being
sheriff.
You, motherfucker, fuck you.
Isla Knight, fuck you.

Speaker 5 (03:10:26):
I agree with this one .

Speaker 1 (03:10:27):
I agree with this one Cran eater over there.
Damn Eric, your camera isamazing.
What is it?

Speaker 6 (03:10:33):
No, it's his skincare line that he uses.

Speaker 1 (03:10:35):
Yes, I use the finest of Egyptian goat cum I put it
on my face every morning.

Speaker 2 (03:10:43):
Sir, it just got awkward.

Speaker 1 (03:10:45):
I got Manning to laugh, that's all.
I'm going for.
Look at him.
He turned red.

Speaker 6 (03:10:50):
I'm always red brother.

Speaker 1 (03:10:53):
No, it is a Sony EVZ10, I think it's called or
EZV10, something like that.

Speaker 2 (03:10:59):
Yeah, EZV.
Yeah, you said it right.

Speaker 1 (03:11:02):
Yeah, whatever it's a DSLR camera sir.

Speaker 6 (03:11:06):
Mine says 1985.

Speaker 1 (03:11:09):
Banning is actually on a Russian potato, just so you
guys know, the crayon eatersare the best of the best.
Oh, get out of here.
Yes.
They couldn't score on theirfreaking ASVAB, so they just
went with whatever thegovernment would let them do.

Speaker 6 (03:11:27):
Get down and give me 25, Marine.

Speaker 1 (03:11:29):
Corps pussy.
Hey, oh, country girl justgifted five fucking memberships.
Are you shitting me what ishappening tonight?
It was the.
It was the the skincare productjoke.
She liked it all right, let'sstart lining up everybody that
got memberships from countrygirl.
A baddie betty, which is a coolname.

(03:11:52):
Let's see who else here.
Uh, eli finn got a membership.
Congrats, that's from.
That's from country girl.
Um, another one went to j beamhard scrote.
The names are gonna get me.

(03:12:15):
Okay, who's next?
C Piss Off man.
You guys are killing it tonight, oh, please.
And then Will Cochran.
I think that's a normal name.
Thank you, country Girl.
Jeez, thank you very much.
Magdump, semper Fi.

(03:12:36):
Country Girl News is on fire.
I know what's going on.
Somebody won the lotterytickets didn't they?
Marine Blood, marine Blood.
All the luxury hotels Eric'sbeen in, because that's where
the chair force puts them up.
You're damn right, buddy.
And guess what?
I'm going to contemplate whatyou had to say the next morning

(03:12:58):
on the on our golf course.

Speaker 6 (03:13:00):
so that's just what's gonna happen the marine corps
never put me up.
We're digging a fucking holeand using the shelter.

Speaker 1 (03:13:06):
Half man all right now we've got competition oh man
, we got competition going on.
Tim gifted one and it lookslike that went to Tracy R, and
then Harrison Brock gifted JesusChrist.
What is it?
You guys slow down.

Speaker 2 (03:13:25):
I I don't even know what to say I actually kind of
feel awkward.

Speaker 1 (03:13:33):
This is kind of fun.
Freeman Key said hysterical,loving this.
Tim said she's a badass.

Speaker 6 (03:13:38):
This is cool, let's keep going down that road.
How long is the boot camp nowfor the Air Force?

Speaker 1 (03:13:47):
Like six and a half weeks.
Six and a half weeks, hey, whenyou have a smarter crowd, it
doesn't take as long to teachthem Touche Touche.

Speaker 2 (03:13:57):
When you have a smarter, crowd, it doesn't take
as long to teach them, hey,Benning.
So we have to step up at theend of the month because Eric
has to go play.

Speaker 1 (03:14:04):
Yeah, the 23rd.

Speaker 2 (03:14:06):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (03:14:07):
My report dates the 24th.
Ah no, kidding.
So y'all are going to have tostep up.
Oh my God, I got to get throughall.
Ryan Boyer, cat Turner, akaPsychic Kat Jim.
We're just going to go withjust Jim.
I've never heard any of thesepeople even comment, so it's
just cool to see that they'rewatching Dave Banks.

Speaker 6 (03:14:31):
Somebody wrote 14 Days of Maui.
That's what you're going to get.

Speaker 1 (03:14:38):
John Nunnery, I me, john Nunnery.
I have heard John Nunnery.

Speaker 2 (03:14:41):
Eduardo Alonso Is the toll booth you go to, does it
actually have air conditioning?
Yeah, usually, and a fullyrunning toilet hey that's fancy.

Speaker 1 (03:14:53):
You hear the talk that's going on right now.
It's just jealousy.
Wait a second, Alan, were youeven in the military?
No, fucking mouth, I wasn't.
You almost got me the smokewagon, almost covered your
tracks there, son of a bitch.
Yeah, here we go, mag dump,respect a10.

(03:15:13):
Only part of the chair force isactually a grunt.
Fair play, sir, fair play, I'llagree.
They tried to retire that thing.
And guess what?
The Marines, the Army all saidthe fuck you.
Marine blood said.
Eric always gets a hole in oneon chair force gold range
because they move the hole towherever the golf ball lands.

(03:15:36):
Well, yeah S sons of bitches,shut up.

Speaker 2 (03:15:43):
Ah, so eric is slacking at the end of the month
okay, so did y'all see the, thegolf tournament or any of the
the highlights from this lastweekend?
The waist man.
So a guy makes a hole it'scalled a slam dunk hole in one
it literally goes in like,doesn't it nothing but net.

Speaker 1 (03:16:04):
It was amazing really yeah tim brings up a good point
to the people that don't have agift yet.
These gifts are just random.
We can't choose who they go to.
Yeah, so if you don't have amembership when they do these
gifts, they can't direct them atanybody.
So I don't know how that works.
We're still trying to figure itall out.

(03:16:25):
But yeah, actually there is adamn.
I'm going to try.
Give me a second.
You guys talk I'm going to tryto share a video and get it
going Copy.

Speaker 2 (03:16:41):
We just kind of awkwardly want to stare at you.

Speaker 6 (03:16:49):
No, please don't.
Please do your job that I don'tpay you for.
You were saying announcingthese funny names, and these
guys are thinking up someawesome stuff when they create
their name for YouTube orwhatever they're coming in on.
And it reminds me somebody sentme a video the other day the
Peloton instructors, likethey'll receive a name and all
they're trying to do is to getthese Peloton instructors to say

(03:17:10):
it live, because there's like100,000 people streaming or
whatever doing their exercise,and just the names that these
people come up with streaming orwhatever doing their exercise,
and just the names that thesepeople come up with.
If you want to look up a funnyvideo, they're like 30 seconds
long, a short or real, as thesefreaking peloton instructors, I
mean people call themselves likenut sex so we had another gift
by a constant constitutionalcountry.

Speaker 2 (03:17:30):
Girl news uh, five memberships were given.

Speaker 1 (03:17:34):
She's, she's paid for like probably 20 fucking
memberships tonight, holy fuckshe's awesome long island audit
got one.
Is that our long?
Is that sean ray?
Yeah, holy shit, look at that.
That's amazing.
Now he's got.
No, now I can say that I amsponsored by Long Island Audit.

(03:17:57):
That is amazing.
Okay, I'm going to share thisvideo.
Guys, this is how I've seenthis video.
This is how auditing should go.
If you're an officer and you'renot sure what to do, this is
how you do it.

(03:18:17):
Badge number 2025 Cool, cool.
I can see pretty good.
Oh man, interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:18:31):
Flowers smell good.
How's your day?

Speaker 1 (03:18:34):
Look at the distance that he created, guys.
No, I'm just saying, I'm justtrying to point that out, that's
all that's, that is how youhandle auditors.
That is amazing.
Oh, that's so holy shit.
We gotta go back.

(03:18:54):
All right, who?
Who sparked?
Okay, so she gifted five.
David Thompson got one.
Mark McKeever got one.
Neon Sniper which is a coolname got one.
Lenwee got one and okay.
So who sparked?
Okay?
Oh, it was Magdump.
Magdump gifted a bunch ofmemberships, so the Chosen Ones

(03:19:19):
got one from MagDump.
Magdump gifted a bunch ofmemberships, so the Chosen Ones
got one from MagDump.
Stuck in Oz got one.
Matt Holmes.
I wonder if he's related to aHolmes that I know.
Let's see here, ocean Girl 505.
Is that our same Ocean Girl, Iwonder?

Speaker 2 (03:19:40):
I think so because I think she's from New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (03:19:43):
Okay, and then Jeff Parrish, All got memberships
from Magdum.
Holy hell, thank you very much,guys.
I don't know what we diddifferent tonight, but everybody
is going crazy with thememberships.
I appreciate it so much.
Marine Blood said okay, back towork.
Some of us don't have theluxury of relying on the chair
for us.
What a hater.

(03:20:06):
What a hater, you gotta be aguest.
Sean Paul, I adore your work.
We're gonna get him.
That's my unofficial promise.
We're gonna get his ass.
Get his ass on here, man.
Y'all are paying for banningshare of the donuts tonight.
Y'all better, y'all gonna haveto put up hundreds of dollars to

(03:20:27):
put up that man's diet ofdonuts, jeez, oh Pete.
Alright, guys, we're at 3.30right now.
We just covered that last video, all right, so, coming down the
pipe here, we're going to tryto get Sean Paul Reyes on.
We'll get Dominic Izzo on foryou guys.
We're going to get the VonKleem on to talk about qualified

(03:20:53):
immunity.
I hope We'll lean on banning toget that accomplished for us
and then, yeah, I think thequalified immunity is the most
popular one that we're going totry to do, and then everything
else will fall in line afterthat.
We just did a new interviewtonight with Jim Glennon, who

(03:21:15):
runs Caliber Press, which hasbeen a longstanding law
enforcement training program.
Very cool.
He.
He isn't the originator ofCaliber Press, but he is the
owner of Caliber Press now, andso that will be pushed out
within the next few days.
Heavily recommend that thatthat episode.

(03:21:37):
I didn't know anything abouthim.
Banning actually told me thathe's a really good dude and that
I need to know more about himand try to get him on the
podcast.
So I ended up getting him onthe podcast after he shared one
of our stuff and it was a greatepisode.
I had a lot of fun.
We went back and forth.
There's no downtime.
There's a lot of goodconversation going on and I's a

(03:21:57):
lot of good conversation goingon and I have a lot of good
clips from it, so can't wait toedit that down, but we're going
to get the audio part of thatout as soon as we can, so look
forward to that episode.
With that said, alan, you gotany parting words, sir?

Speaker 2 (03:22:13):
I just appreciate everybody.
Uh, participating and that'swhat makes it so much fun is the
back and forth.
I know let's invite everybodyso we can continue to have a
good time.

Speaker 1 (03:22:25):
People keep trying to put a time limit on what we do
and I'm just like I can't, wejust have fun.
I mean, we've consistently keptat least 30 people on here all
night.
That's a classroom Banning.
What do you got buddy?

Speaker 6 (03:22:39):
I just appreciate the opportunity to even come in
late.
Sorry, I was late to the show.
You piece of shit, I know manno invite or nothing.

Speaker 1 (03:22:49):
Right.

Speaker 6 (03:22:52):
Everybody gifting everybody memberships and stuff
like that.
We appreciate that it goes along way so much.

Speaker 1 (03:22:56):
Yeah, everybody for all the contributions tonight.
I mean, holy shit, you want totalk about motivating Factor and
doing what we do.
It's huge.
It's huge to us.
Next video Sorry, I got no moreguys.
I got no more.
Alright guys, Everybody.
Good night.
Thank you for participating inwhat we do.

(03:23:18):
And yeah, go buy something atRetro Rifle, Take it easy,
Appreciate it guys.

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