From tech woes to tough calls: de-escalation, ego, and on-duty judgment unpacked

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(00:51):
We got the mob squad with ustoday.
Got Banning and the silent butdeadly Alan Nelson in the
background there.
Alan Alan, let me hear you.

SPEAKER_16 (01:00):
You're good.
Test, yes.
Does it work?

SPEAKER_11 (01:03):
Yeah, yep, you got some volume today.
There we go.

SPEAKER_16 (01:06):
Awesome.
Well, that's what happens whenyou try to do nice things and it
doesn't work.
So you go back to what you knowworks.

SPEAKER_11 (01:14):
Old school.
I was having issues earliertoday, too.
For some reason, I had to goback to the headphones.
Although I didn't change anysettings, uh, it's not letting
me do my thing.
Everybody listening is like, oh,go figure.
They're having technicaldifficulties.

SPEAKER_16 (01:28):
Imagine that.

SPEAKER_11 (01:29):
I don't know.
One day we'll be able to afforda guy.

SPEAKER_19 (01:33):
You know.

SPEAKER_11 (01:35):
One day.
Um, but looking over ateverybody that's on, I see David
Emondston's on.
What's up, buddy?
Free Keys is in the house.
Uh, who else we got?
Uh more David, more free.
Craig Holcomb in there.
I see him.
Wade Lucero said, You're welcomefor me being here.
Uh, we appreciate it.
Marines Bloods made it.

(01:56):
Glad that's here.
Papa Chuck.
I don't remember a Papa Chuck.
That's a new name.
Welcome, Papa Chuck.
I like the name.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
So speaking of sound, Eric, not to interrupt,
will you tap your mic like youhave me do?
Because it just changed.
Nope.
Yeah, it died.
You're not, it's coming throughsomething else.

SPEAKER_10 (02:18):
Is it?

SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_16 (02:24):
Wow.
Yeah, so I uh I have a roadiecontroller and I tried to hook
it up with my road mic, and uhit works on Teams, but it
doesn't work on here.
So who knows?

SPEAKER_11 (02:36):
All right, am I better now?

SPEAKER_16 (02:38):
Tapping on the case.
I can we can hear you, but it'snot coming from that mic.
No.
Whatever mic you got turned on,it sounds like you got a room
mic or something on.

SPEAKER_10 (02:49):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (02:50):
Is it your camera mic?
I don't even know if yourcamera's got a mic on your on
your setup, but it's somethingother than what's in front of
you.

SPEAKER_11 (02:58):
It's telling me that it's coming through this mic.
So that's the confusing part.

SPEAKER_17 (03:04):
Um standard.

SPEAKER_16 (03:08):
When you tap, I mean, unless you're sensitive
enough, your cushion's killingit, but when you tap on it, we
don't hear it pop.

SPEAKER_10 (03:15):
No, you should definitely hear that.

SPEAKER_16 (03:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (03:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_16 (03:20):
But we can hear you talk, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 (03:23):
Okay, Andy Fletcher in the house.
Give me one second.
Uh, you guys talk for a secondwhile I try to figure this out.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Well, Alan, what'd you uh have going on this week?

SPEAKER_16 (03:34):
So I got to actually put on a uniform this weekend.
Um our our county has theannual, they call it the Harvest
Festival, so Terry CountyHarvest Festival.
And they do the whole beautypageant thing and uh helps pay
for the local chamber ofcommerce.
And whatever he just changedkilled the the static.

(03:56):
So he changed something.

SPEAKER_17 (03:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (03:57):
Anyway, um, I got to do a little bit of uh put the
uniform on and some securityaround the world and um work an
entire shift.
We have a big parade variant.
So they say our county is abouteight, or our city is about
eight thousand, and they say forthat event brings in about
twenty thousand.

SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
So it's kind of tough on resources, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (04:20):
And so holding my commission as a reserve, like
that's the one that they make uswork.
So right, it's uh we don't haveto do like 20 hours a month or
anything, it's just uh fill infor that big event.

SPEAKER_01 (04:34):
I think I recall seeing you now next to a water
tower standing next to a canineofficer.
I think I know who that canineofficer is, but I think I saw
that picture.

SPEAKER_16 (04:43):
Yeah, that's my son.
Um, and so we uh I actually wasgonna work on putting together I
uh there's several pictures wetook, and we were gonna put
together a little video and gotto spending some time family
time and didn't ever get to messwith it this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
So, you know, uh it's good that you get to do
that though.
It's good to good to have thatbond and and actually go work
together.
And uh, you know, I would I'd dothat in a heartbeat if my boys
uh became police officers whileI was still active, I would
definitely go work with them asmuch as I could that didn't have
to be.

SPEAKER_16 (05:17):
It's a lot of fun and you know, get the reconnect
with the the community.
I feel like with my new job, uhI'm locked in a room a lot of
the time in an office and uhdon't get the everybody when
they see me, they're like, Whereyou been?
You still live here in town?
I'm like, Yeah, I just know if Ileave the house, I don't get
anything done.

SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
So that's uh same with me, going from being seen
all the time on duty almost feltlike 24 hours a day to retiring
working for a for an awesometech company and then doing
remote work.
I mean, I'm in town, but I'malways in the house in the
office and and doing meetingsand then traveling around this

(05:57):
awesome country.
Uh people in town, a lot ofpeople thought I'd moved as
well, so I I completelyunderstand that.

SPEAKER_16 (06:03):
Uh uh, you're just your game's really quiet.

SPEAKER_11 (06:09):
Can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_01 (06:10):
A little bit better.

SPEAKER_16 (06:11):
You're coming up.

SPEAKER_10 (06:13):
Test, test, test.

SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Tap the mic again.
It sounds a little bit better.

SPEAKER_16 (06:18):
Yeah, we can hear that now.
Your game's just real quiet.

SPEAKER_10 (06:25):
Give me a sec.

SPEAKER_11 (06:27):
This is part of the fun.
Always never.

SPEAKER_16 (06:32):
You know, I've I truly believe this.
Like every day I'm I'm on Teamsand doing virtual calls, and I
feel like every time you open upone of these technology
equipment, there's an update orsomething, and it never operates
the same way.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Yeah.
Okay, how can you?
No, I agree.
I agree with you.

SPEAKER_16 (06:49):
I can hear you, but it's really quiet.

SPEAKER_11 (06:51):
Am I better now?
No.
No.
How about now?

SPEAKER_16 (06:55):
No.
Same.
Is your power turned on to themic?

SPEAKER_11 (07:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (07:01):
Okay.
Because that's what it soundslike.
Like you're you don't have anypower going to the mic.

SPEAKER_01 (07:08):
Brand R86 said your second is up when you say give
me a second.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (07:12):
Can you hear me there?

SPEAKER_15 (07:14):
Uh no, same.

SPEAKER_11 (07:17):
I don't understand.
There's nothing different.
Nothing there it comes.

SPEAKER_16 (07:21):
It's coming, it's getting louder.
I don't know what you'rechanging.

SPEAKER_11 (07:23):
Is it getting better?
I haven't done anything.
There you go.

SPEAKER_16 (07:25):
Yeah, right.
It's it got it got louder.

SPEAKER_11 (07:28):
That's crazy.
I haven't done shit by now.
Yep.
There we go.
There we go.
Is it normal?

SPEAKER_16 (07:35):
Can you hear me?
It's a lot better.
It's a lot better.
Like it's not as loud as younormally are, but it is a lot
louder.

SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
It's it's like somebody in the background is
just turning that volume up.

SPEAKER_11 (07:45):
I mean, I'm messing with everything that I can.

SPEAKER_15 (07:47):
There it goes.
There you are.
Okay, you're good.

SPEAKER_11 (07:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_15 (07:56):
Yeah, we have a different tech issue.

SPEAKER_11 (07:58):
Uh oh lord.
Okay.
So back to it.

SPEAKER_16 (08:01):
So, Eric, we were talking about uh I got to work
this weekend.
I got to put the uniform on anddo a little bit of a security
gig at our local local harvestfestival.
So that was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_11 (08:11):
Nice.
How did it go?

SPEAKER_16 (08:12):
Good.
We didn't uh knock on like itwas probably the busiest it's
been in probably I don't know,10 years.

SPEAKER_10 (08:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (08:20):
And we really we had one guy that decided that he
wanted to walk up to the localuh chief deputy and shake his
hand, and he had a felonywarrant.
That was the only the onlything.
What city was this in?
Uh we so it's the Terry CountyHarvest Festival, so Brownfield.
Okay, you know SouthwestGulubic, Texas.

SPEAKER_11 (08:40):
Did you hear about the terrorist attack out there?
No, evidently not.
You're welcome.
That's because Alan was on thestreets, y'all.
You watched it.
Oh, yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Oh shit.
Oh, that's fun.
Oh, that's great.
That's great.
Oh, now David's saying it'sstatic y.

SPEAKER_16 (09:01):
Uh you know, before you left, there was some room
static, and I thought it wasBanning's normal room static,
but then it went away abouthalfway through of you messing
with something.
But I don't I I hear itslightly, but it's not.
I I really bet it's because yourgain's way too high, but you're
working, so I don't want to.
Oh my god.

(09:21):
It's really not that bad.

SPEAKER_11 (09:23):
Driving me insane.

SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
Yep.
See, I'm I'm not having to doanything, and I got the dollar
general set up over here.

SPEAKER_11 (09:28):
I know.
I don't know.
Because I detached stuff for thepodcast yesterday, and but I
didn't change anything.

SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
Brandon says he doesn't hear any static.
So there's no static right now.
You're good.

SPEAKER_16 (09:42):
Yeah, I think it's fine.
I I Steven Steve Ladner.

SPEAKER_11 (09:49):
Oh fuck.
It's great.
Oh, they they got it out for us.
I think it's funny.
They do.
They do.
Let 'em.
Let them.
You're not doing anything rightif you don't have haters out
there, that's for sure.
That's right.
Correct.
That's right.
Tonight I'm drinking someBardstown.
This was a gift from uh somebodyat Peregrine.

(10:11):
I don't know if you can readthat.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:13):
I think I was there when even early when you
received that.

SPEAKER_11 (10:16):
But pretty good.
Pretty good.
This one is theirdouble-barreled discovery
series.
And it's series 13.
Nothing better than having aseries 13 in October.
So um, but where oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (10:33):
Okay, where does the 13th fall this year?
Does it fall on a I don't know?

SPEAKER_11 (10:38):
Is it on a Friday?

SPEAKER_16 (10:41):
You know, it's like every couple of years it falls,
right?

SPEAKER_11 (10:44):
Right.
Yeah, I don't know.
Does anybody know?
I'm I'm having a look at thecity.
It's back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
So he's he's talking about doing some instruction
work and uh the past couple daysyou missed the rest of it.
Ah gotcha.

SPEAKER_16 (11:08):
Oh, that's next Monday is the 13th.

SPEAKER_11 (11:12):
So yeah, Brandar.
Eric wants to play with all thetech coming to policing yet
can't work a mic in this in astream.
Hey, that's the fun part aboutplaying with shit.
Like I don't have to know how todo it and just mess with it.

SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
It says it says eyes on the city, not mics on a city.

SPEAKER_11 (11:26):
So yeah, we're talking about microphones,
Brandon.

SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Oh shit.
Oh, this is great.

SPEAKER_11 (11:36):
Let's go to let's go to some videos to discuss.
Not body cam necessarily.
I mean it is body cam, but stuffoff of the Instagram that got a
lot of a lot of clicks and andengagements.
So I want to get going on that.
Let's go to the grams.
We'll share this guy here.
Again, I don't think there's anyway to biggie size these.

(11:59):
So you just get what you get.
Let's see.
Don't throw a fit.
You don't throw a fit.
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
You can take a drink if you want, but just don't
throw a fit.

SPEAKER_11 (12:08):
Yeah.
Alright.
Let's uh it's unmuted.
Okay.

(13:05):
Okay.
I'll pause it there.
In I'm just curious with you twofellas.
Um, I've got a bias as I can seesome things socially, but you
guys see anything in this?

SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Uh well, right now, just from what we're gathered,
what you're showing me direct,I'm not seeing a reason for
police intervention.
Welfare check, hey, you good?
Yep, peace out, you're done.
Walk out.
I'm not sure why thisconversation is going on.
If you know, if they're ifthey've already verbally told
him we when this guy comes out,we want him to be criminal

(13:41):
trespassed, go on and do it.
The verbal beratement ofsomebody that spent a long time
in the bathroom.
If that happens, I should havebeen criminal trespass from
about 20 different restaurantsthroughout the years.
Shit happens.

SPEAKER_16 (13:53):
Well, they exactly they were trying to get you to
leave, but you know, shit washappening.
So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (14:00):
So the the backstory is this kid, he had been in
there before.
He was an issue before themtrying to get him to leave
because he he shows up and hedoesn't buy anything.
So the owners of the place orthe management, whatever, I
don't know if it's a Starbucks,it seems like it's something
like a Starbucks.
Um, and you can hear theblenders and stuff going on in
the background, but basicallythey called the cop, said we

(14:20):
want him to leave.
We don't want him here.
Okay, fair enough.
So that's when you see the copcome in, and the the partner
that we're seeing his body camfootage through was saying like
he locked himself in thebathroom last time he was here,
and that that's a story thatthey're getting from the
baristas there.
So now is the interaction thatyou're seeing.

(14:42):
And for me, I can clearly seethat there is some sort of
social skill issues going onwith this kid, especially with
the fixation on the phone, thevery minimal eye contact.
Um, and and it's not that wehaven't seen people that aren't
you know autistic or have socialskills and stuff like that want
to be on their phone and avoideye contact, but there's very

(15:06):
different vibes coming off ofthose people doing that.
So in this one, the the pointthat I'm trying to point out,
like, because I have a kid thatis on the spectrum, um, she's
high functioning.
Like, if if we were to hang out,like you guys wouldn't know.
I mean, you and banning I don'tknow, Alan.
Have you seen my oldest?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(15:27):
Like you you can't can't fuckingtell.
It's just when she gets in acertain situation, like a
situation like this, I don'tknow how she would react.
I I would be curious to see howshe would handle authority, kind
of coming down on her andtalking sternly.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_16 (15:43):
Well, you know, part of me is like I I the one
officer sitting with him, so itmakes me think, okay, you know,
there's an authoritative level,and then there's like, hey, I'm
gonna get down on your level andtry to have a one-on-one with
you.
But then I kind of think thatbackfires with you having
somebody also standing over themif you're just trying to get

(16:05):
their hey, I need to get yourattention right now, because
part of it is they don't likeloud noises, they don't like
confrontation, and so you needto understand those those
relationship skills, and sositting down with them while in
most officer situations, that'sa bad protocol, but and a lot of
times you do need to get down intheir you know, sight vision so

(16:28):
they're not looking up at youand get them to understand, hey,
I'm pretty serious here, but I'mgonna get on your level and just
let you understand this.
And so, you know, I I I I likethe one officer's approach, but
then you know, at a certainpoint in time, he I feel like
goes, you know, it would havebeen a lot better to play good
cop, bad cop in this situation,I think.

SPEAKER_11 (16:51):
Yeah, possibly.
Um, I I don't mind the sittingdown, but he didn't sit down.
I don't feel like he sat down torelate.
I feel like he sat down to kindof big day lazy, yeah.
Yeah, or or that.
Because it he obviously did notfeel threatened by this guy.
So the officer safety issue, ifyou don't feel I'm not gonna
judge an officer.

(17:12):
I'll I'll make fun of you forterrible officer safety and
stuff like that, but in thissituation, I kind of understand
what they what they're saying.
They're just trying to get down,sit down and talk to him.
I was hoping he would use thatas a way to relate, but I don't
feel like he sat down as a wayto get down to somebody else's
level and to relate.
I feel like he sat down to kindof show like you are such a

(17:34):
non-threat to me and a waste ofmy fucking time that I'm going
to sit down like this and talkto you this way.

SPEAKER_16 (17:40):
He never like all the questions he asked him, he
never even gave him a chance torespond.

SPEAKER_11 (17:45):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_16 (17:46):
Yeah, it was just anytime you deal with somebody
with social anxiety, you know,you're gonna have to be they
they're delayed because theyhave to process it all.

SPEAKER_11 (17:56):
Yeah.
And and with this particularinstance, like we gotta look at
the bigger picture again.
What are we dealing with?
We're dealing with a criminaltrespass issue.
And I'm very patient on thecriminal trespass issues anyway,
because that's the last arrest Iwant to make.
This is a it's a waste of time.

(18:17):
It's not gonna solve anything,it's not gonna help society.
Let's let's be patient with it.
So, on this, I agree, he needsto get the fuck out of there.
If I own a business and I don'twant somebody in there, they
gotta go.
Doesn't matter the reason.
You agree, disagree with thereason.
If I want, they shouldn't bethere.
So I agree with them here is asfar as bro, you need to go.

(18:40):
But you need to step back andrealize that there's some sort
of social issues going on.
I think we realize that, right?
I I noticed it, but again, Isaid I'm biased and I I admit
that openly on this, but it'sjust the things like officers.
Is there officers listening tothis?
Like, pay attention to the waypeople move and do things, and
just the way he scrolled hisphone alone, that that rigid

(19:01):
movement gives me a sign thatthere's something different.
Because a guy like us, we ourhands are relaxed, we chill, we
we go through it, you know, likethose little subtle things you
can see it.
So I'm gonna keep playing this.

(20:04):
I mean, just the way he'sputting stuff in his bag.
Like, there's just so manylittle things that just show me
that there's something off.
I'm not saying that it that's awrong thing, obviously.
I'm just saying there'ssomething different, something
not of the ordinary here.
And it's not an officer safetything.

(20:25):
It's it's just it's just whatwhat it is.
So it's it's one of thosethings.
I'm I'm trying not to be becauseI want to be really pissed off
and get mad, and I'm not we didthat last week, remember?
I was in a pissy mood.
I'm not in a pissy mood today,so I try not to get mad because

(20:45):
of my bias.

SPEAKER_07 (20:47):
Let's go.

SPEAKER_11 (20:53):
Let's say he's totally clueless.
Let's say the cop's totallyclueless.
He's technically, according tothe letter of the law, he's not
doing anything wrong.
No.
And that is where the rub comeswith the public.
That's what we need to address.
This is where the training comesin play.

(21:13):
Can I get mad at an officerbecause he doesn't pick up on
social cues as well?
I don't know.
Again, bias, so I'm trying notto be that way.
Um Brandar 86 said, Eric, don'tmost police have social skill
issues?
No, I think most have reallygood social skills.
Um, I think that comes withtime, though.
There's there's some that justhave it, there's some that kind

(21:36):
of develop it over time throughsurvival of the job, uh, because
they've gotten their ass beatfor not having social skills.
Uh, because there's differenttypes of social skills too.
If I go in the hood, there's acertain way to talk and be
there.
If you let insults get to you,don't go to the hood.

(21:58):
Because it is a roast sessionall the time.
Yeah.
But if you're used to one of therich people, there's a totally
different type of culture andsocial skills that you need over
there.
So what were you saying, Benny?

SPEAKER_01 (22:13):
You have to be able to wear the hat for your entire
beaten area of the city that youserve and protect.
You've got to be able to adjustto whatever flow that is needed
uh for the for the neighborhoodyou're in or the situation at
hand.
Uh, I don't know how many timeswhen I worked at a large
municipality, uh, depending onwhat side of the city you're on,
is is how you how you addressthe thing.
You're always within the letterof the law, but you know, even

(22:35):
on how you spoke to people,obviously we're treating
everybody with respect, butsometimes your answers are
coming back different so peoplecan understand it a little bit
better.
It's not a derogatory thing,it's not anything like that, but
it's the area that you're in.
You have to be able to adapt andovercome uh to what to what have
you on on whatever businessyou're at or residence you're
at.
You have to be able to adapt tothat.
If you can't, you're not gonnalast.

(22:56):
Yeah, you have to adapt to it.

SPEAKER_11 (22:58):
Yeah, so with the with the officer, you know,
getting this kid and grabbinghim up and getting him out of
the store, legal.
Like he's not violatinganything, he's allowed to do
that.

SPEAKER_16 (23:09):
So it's just I I just don't understand all of a
sudden the escalation, likeyeah.
There was I mean, I only the kidwas packing.

SPEAKER_11 (23:19):
I mean, the kid was like yeah, I I clipped like 30,
40 seconds out of that becauseit was dead air time, like it
was or or him looping justsaying the same thing
repeatedly.
Uh, but they didn't really giveit, they didn't it was like they
had better things to do, theyhad other things that they
needed to go handle, and theywere in such a rush.

(23:40):
Like I said, take your sweettime, like get it done right.
Um, I if I were to critique thecops at all as far as ways to do
it better without picking up onthe social skills, you cornered
him, you had him boxed into aspot.
So if I was going to talk tohim, I would have gone behind

(24:03):
him and made him kind of turntowards me.
Because now the door is wideopen, and that's an old
interrogation trick.
So, like if you bring someone into talk and they are free to
leave and they are not detained,and that they are there in their
own free will to come talk toyou, I always leave the
interrogation door wide open.
I let them know here's the pathto get out.

(24:24):
Here's how you get out of thisplace if you decide you want to
leave.
Um, I let them have their phonewith them, and then I also tell
them, you know, like I won't sitin between the doorway.
I'll sit on the opposite side.
So they have the closest way toget out.
And I tell them, you are free toleave, and that's all being
recorded, obviously, but are youfree to leave at any time?
That's the way out if you decideyou want to go.

(24:45):
Do you understand?
You know, yep, yep, I get it.
Cool.
You're here, your own free will,you want to talk?
Cool.
Same thing in this situation.
I would get behind him and talkto him.
And that's not something thatyou necessarily get trained on,
it's just kind of one of thosethings you figure out.
Um, so it's just a suggestion.
Uh Freeman Keyes said, do theytrain new cops on these types of

(25:06):
situations if we're dealing withsomeone in the spectrum uh or
someone with mental healthissues?
Yes, we call it CIT training.
And um, not that this kid washaving a crisis.
Uh CIT stands for crisisintervention training, but it's
kind of an all-encompassing.
You you kind of learn aboutstuff on the spectrum and uh
things of that nature.
So, yes, the training is outthere.

(25:29):
Um you guys got anything to addon that as far as the training
and whatnot goes?

SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
No, I love the way that you do that in reference to
even even questioning somebody,um, either being a victim victim
or suspect, if they're free toleave, showing that egress
route.
Uh it just that goes a long way.
Just subconsciously with theperson that you're speaking
with, and also down the road, ifthis you know ever goes to ever
goes to court.
You know, you explaining that,hey, this is the exit here.

(25:56):
If you're ever, you know, in apanic or whatever, you know, you
gotta go.
You know, you're just beingwe're we're just talking.
You're not being detained,you're not arrested, stuff like
that.
That's that's I've seen so manyvideos to where that doesn't get
done right, or they'll post anofficer at the door sometime,
and that just gives them thesubconscious feeling that they
are not free to leave.
And I hate I hate seeing that.

(26:17):
Yeah, Craig Holcombs.

SPEAKER_11 (26:19):
I don't think bias is the right term, Eric.
It's more more like aware of thepotential.
Yeah, fair.
Um easily identifiable cues,yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think um the you know, the eyecontact thing, the fixation on
certain terms, like he's I I didnot, I didn't do anything wrong.

(26:40):
I didn't do anything wrong.
That's because a lot of peopleon the spectrum are very uh
logically minded, and until youcan make them understand the
logic behind what you're saying,he criminal trespass doesn't
make sense to him because hedidn't do anything.
Right, it doesn't make sense,you gotta help him make it under
uh understand it.

(27:00):
So that's where you got to takethe little extra time to
explain.
And uh, like my daughter, we Icall her Spock, like that's what
she reminds me of because sheshe'll cut your ass.
You think you're good atinsulting, she'll hit you with
the truth as she sees it, and itis it is a knife right to the
heart sometimes.
You know, if you ask her, how'sthis look on me?

(27:21):
And she'll don't ask her that.

SPEAKER_16 (27:23):
If you don't want to you're gonna get the answer,
you're gonna get the answer.

SPEAKER_11 (27:27):
Uh she's if it doesn't, if it's not logical and
reasonable to her uh orrational, she's gonna call you
on it right away.
If you make an emotional call,like you know, I don't like the
way you made you you made mefeel uh when you said that,
she'll go, and I'm sorry youfelt that way.

(27:48):
That's what she'll tell you.
I'm like, damn.
Yeah, my girl, she she's uhshe's a genius.
And the other thing is she'ssmarter than me already, smarter
than both of us.
I don't mean like in life, butbook smart.
She's math higher than me insixth grade.
I think my mom's in therechatting around.

(28:10):
Like, she'll verify for me.
Like, I'm not just bragging thatI have a smart kid, like she is
she is a genius.
It's kind of she scored perfectscores on the the state exam
every year.
Like, she's it's weird.
It's a cool problem to have, butyeah.
Uh Brand throwing out thosememberships for us.

(28:32):
He dropped five memberships.
So make sure if you got one, youthank Brandar.
Looks like uh Christian Holseygot one, Rue Khan's K Mac, and
Daniel and Trekken.
But big shout out to Brandar.
Appreciate that, guys.
Again, anytime you guys donatetowards us, we've got um buy a
cup of coffee, and then we alsohave the memberships through

(28:55):
YouTube.
Uh that money goes directly intowhat we do.
Uh, specifically the YouTubepremium that y'all made me get.
So uh make sure you guys checkthat out.
Thank you, Alan, for puttingthat up there, sir.
Um, but yeah, the the thetraining on the spectrum and

(29:16):
stuff like that.
We do have training.
I don't know if that's anational mandatory thing.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_16 (29:24):
I I think there was some case law on it.
Um, I I want to say the incidentstood from possibly Florida.
I can't speak to it, but uh Iall of us kind of pushed that
issue.
No, that was on the deaf case.
We all had to have the deafhearing and impairment uh
training.

SPEAKER_11 (29:45):
That's uh that's my single one of my biggest regrets
of not learning anotherlanguage.
One of the ones I've alwayswanted to learn was was American
Sign Language.
Because I'm I'm very kinestheticin my learning, so I think I
would pick up on that reallyquick.
Oh, somebody dropped.
20 memberships.
Harrison.
Harrison's back in the game,y'all.
When Harrison goes goes in, hegoes all the way.

(30:08):
For the longest time, Harrisonwas dropping 20 and 40
memberships alive.
So thank you very much,Harrison.
I'm just looking through thenames of everybody.
Oh my god, look at this name.
I don't know if that'sappropriate.
I don't know what that means,sir.
I don't think I like that.

SPEAKER_16 (30:28):
Um, especially when it's a wiener dog involved.

SPEAKER_11 (30:31):
Right.
Just look at this.
Is a cool name, while yourpaladin.

SPEAKER_15 (30:35):
Benning, don't turn so red, Benny.

SPEAKER_11 (30:39):
How do you how would you eat a wiener dog, Benning,
if you were to eat one?
One bite.
Can you show me?
How would you hold it?

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Not going there.

SPEAKER_11 (30:52):
He gets both of those hands involved.
Yeah.
How would you eat that one,Benny?
Hold it by the tail.

SPEAKER_10 (30:59):
Oh.

SPEAKER_11 (31:01):
Oh, Agent Major.
I feel like we're being spiedon.
We'll just look at that.
Maybe he can help us with that.
I see a bunch of names I reallyknow in that one.

unknown (31:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (31:11):
Oh.
But yeah, I was trying to get toHarrison's comment and then he
dropped 20 bucks on us or 20memberships.

SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
Uh Keto50 said with no bread.

SPEAKER_11 (31:23):
Yeah, yeah, he would be with no bread, yeah, right?
Does fur count as carbs?
Yeah.
Some LEOs are like the dumb copsin Cook County, Illinois, like
the LT who only arrested oneperson in 20 years.
Yeah, that's insane.
We say that's insane, but nowyou gotta look at that county.
Look or look at that area thathe was in.

(31:45):
Because I do know some placesthat they only make an arrest
once every blue moon.

SPEAKER_16 (31:50):
Like yeah, but I mean, how long did it take an LT
to get there?
Like, yeah, you can spend, yeah,once you're I I feel like
sergeants, once you're you know,that's the last time you're on
patrol.
That's the last, you know, yeah.
After you midway through yoursergeant career, you know,
you're in an office.

SPEAKER_11 (32:09):
Right.
Yeah, for the most part, yeah,especially at a major city.
Um, but I can tell you, once Iput lieutenant on, if they put
me back in patrol as alieutenant, I won't be back out
on the streets.
I'm not sitting in an office.
Yep, I'll be back out there.
What did Andy have to say?
He said, not for nothing, butthe old Vietnamese guy, the OKC

(32:30):
cop, slammed him on his head,uh, died from complication.
Oh, he did end up dying.
Wow.
I didn't hear that update, Andy.
Uh the last I heard was that hehad like a broken vertebrae or
something like that.
But that was a complete I Iactually got into it with quite
a few cops.
You can't touch a cop.
You can't.
I'm like, I I don't disagree.

(32:51):
You can't touch a cop, but atthe same time, know your
audience, know your opponent, ifthat's how you want to look at
it.
It's an old dude.
Like, what'd you think was gonnahappen?
Right.
Like, just just guide.

SPEAKER_16 (33:04):
What kind of threat is that dude?
Like, that's my thing is yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (33:09):
Oh, Natalie finally got one.

SPEAKER_16 (33:12):
No, she became a member.

SPEAKER_11 (33:14):
Oh, she did become a member.
I thought she won now.
There you go.
Natalie is my uh shout out toher, by the way.
She's my um my uh what do youcall it?
Moderator for our Facebookstuff.
So she's actually, bro, she'sbeen like steadfast in helping
us grow and reach.
Well consistent, man.

(33:35):
She helped out a lot.
So a lot big shout out to her.
What Harrison has to say.
Uh, two cops with donut.
That's a larger department.
He is one who arrested the oneperson for filming on the pub.
Of course he did.
Of course he did.
If he's gonna pop his cherry onarrest, that's the one to get.
You got him.
Thanks for keeping the streetssafe.

(33:56):
Feds are in the chat panel hasfusion file now.
Feds are in the chat.
The panel has a fusion file now.

SPEAKER_01 (34:05):
He's talking about that agent thing that you said
somebody's fine on the show.

SPEAKER_11 (34:08):
Oh, that's right.
Oh, I was like, I'm notfollowing.
Yeah, yeah.
Andy Fletcher, he poked him likea grandpa would to a young
whippersnapper.
Yeah, and there was a languagebarrier.
There was there was a there wasa clear language issue going on
there.
And again, no, you shouldn'ttouch a cop.
But at the same time, bro, youjudo throwed that dude.

(34:29):
I mean, you he was a ragdoll.
It was just so far beyond whatneeded to happen happen.

SPEAKER_16 (34:36):
Well, I think it even goes back to your video on
knowing your situation, knowingcommunication skills.
If you, you know, um, if I goand deal with uh certain
Hispanic populations, I know I'mtalking to the Hispanic male
first, you know, uh, becauseit's just generational.

(34:56):
And it I don't think it'scompletely right, but you have
to know the group you're workingwith, and you know, same thing
with the Vietnamese population.
You need to know their culture alittle bit when you're doing
this job to know and get itde-escalated like you want,
because you can very quicklyescalate something because you
don't understand the history orthe origins.

SPEAKER_11 (35:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Andy Fletcher said, and the andthe cop had no interest in what
he was saying, which is why hegot poked.
I I don't think it was that hedidn't have an interest, I think
he kind of figured it out.
I think he knew what happened,and the old man was trying to
explain himself to make it comeacross different than what there

(35:41):
are certain things that we canfigure out through the
investigation.
I don't need to I don't need tohear anymore.
I already know what I need toknow for what I'm about to do.
And I think that's kind of theimpasse they were in.
And I've that the old man feltlike he didn't explain himself
or he needed to explain further.
And when the cop was kind ofshutting that down, which I
don't disagree with, becauselike I said, sometimes you just

(36:03):
you you don't need to knowanymore.
Like I already know what I'mgonna do, I don't I don't need
to know anymore.
Um, and and they were at faultin that car accident, because
that's what it was, it was aboutan accident.
Uh they were at fault, but atthe same time, again, over
fucking reaction by the cop, inmy opinion.

(36:24):
Uh doesn't mean I'm right.
It's just my it's my opinion.
Am I Monday morningquarterbacking him from afar
after seeing you know, body camvideo and surveillance video and
all that shit?
And a a little bit, yeah, I am.
But I don't think I'm off.
I don't think there's any morethat I need to know.
Um looking, he had to throw inan You can't use that word

(36:50):
anymore, bro.
That's not PC.
I don't think you can sayoriental anymore.
I think that's not not a goodword.
I I think uh just like you can'tsay homeless, so you gotta say
unho unhoused.

SPEAKER_01 (37:07):
I think that's I think I think I think that's the
thing, dude.
That's a real thing.
This whole restricting ofrestricting of restricting, man,
is that's it pisses me off.

SPEAKER_11 (37:17):
I think that's the I think that's the new term now.
You have to say unhoused.

SPEAKER_01 (37:22):
So just like back in the 90s, man.
I never pegged my jeans.
I wasn't like everybody else, sowhatever.

SPEAKER_11 (37:30):
Now you peg a different thing.

SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
That's right.

SPEAKER_11 (37:35):
All right, let's go to the next video.
Um, this one, this one's a hotone.
I know you guys are gonna likethis one.
Um I have a video if you want toshow that everyone.
Oh um We covered the video.
Yeah, we covered that one, Alan.

SPEAKER_16 (37:52):
I know.
I just it's been a while.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (37:55):
Fuck them.
They'll find it.

SPEAKER_16 (37:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_11 (37:57):
Alan's in the background asking if we want to
show the video of the old mangetting tossed.

SPEAKER_16 (38:01):
I said I just wanted to see you get you know spicy.
Well, I missed getting to see itlast week.

SPEAKER_11 (38:07):
So yeah, I was uh I was in rare five.
I was I was man streaming lastweek.
I don't know what my deal was.
I was I was going off on peoplein the chats.

SPEAKER_16 (38:17):
Oh, you went off on me too.
I heard it.

SPEAKER_15 (38:19):
I I that's right when I too right when I I think
you said uh what did you say,Alan?
Something Alan, and I was like,oh my, I just missed something.

SPEAKER_11 (38:28):
I don't know what he was referring to, but Wade, you
can't say man now, it's beta.
Uh people experiencinghomelessness.
Oh, is that the other way to sayit too?
The uninhab the unhabitated.
I love it.
Oh shit.

(38:49):
Oh okay, let's go to this video.
This one's gonna get you guysworked up.

SPEAKER_05 (38:54):
So come here, come here.
Yep, you see, get down.
Oh, you're gonna get up.
What are you doing?

SPEAKER_11 (40:04):
All right, we had this video sent.
All right.
So what you don't see, um, I sawit on another video that I
couldn't get because it was aowner, it the TV channels had
it.
So I couldn't I couldn't take itand put it on here.
But what you don't see isinitially these kids are walking
through a neighborhood and a guyon an ATV comes up and starts

(40:27):
questioning them.
It's this guy in the uniform.
He was he wasn't in uniform atthe beginning.
So um, and his name's DeputySquires, I believe that's his
name, out of uh Beaufort, BufortCounty, Beaufort County,
Anyway um, so he drives up, itlooks or appears like he has a

(40:50):
beer bottle on his ATV.
I'm not gonna judge.
Uh, I don't know that forcertain, can only guess.
But he starts questioning thesekids, and the kids start lipping
off because they're teens, andit's none of your fucking
business, is basically whatthey're saying.
So the guy gets his ego hurt,drives off, comes back in a
truck, and now he's questioninghim more.

(41:12):
Are you from the neighborhood?
Why are you over here?
All this stuff, and then theyboth get in another jawjacking
match back and forth, and thenthe video comes in with what we
see.
That video was so ridiculousthat people were saying I made
it up like it was a fake video.
That's how ridiculous that videocame across to a lot of people.
It was fake.

(41:33):
So I had to grab the the guy'sname and the the uh sheriff's
office, uh Beaufort, um county,and put it up there and show
like news clips and stuff ofthis guy got his badge and gun
stripped, like uh basically onscene almost, but um, yeah, he

(41:53):
got all his powers revoked andwhatnot.
And I think now they're charginghim, but they were doing they
were conducting theinvestigation, and uh yeah, all
of that over that was the egothing.
At the end of the day, he hadnothing, he just wanted to know
why the kids were in theneighborhood.
Fair question, excuse me, fairquestion if you're if that's

(42:16):
your neighborhood, and it Ibecause I've done it before.
Like I'll see somebody walk inin my neighborhood, and you
remember my old neighborhood,Benny and Alan.
It it's it's kind of a dead end.
There's no reason to go downthere unless you live there.
So I would get people trying tolike walk through the
neighborhood that I'm like, whenthe fuck are these guys in that?

(42:36):
But I'm not I'm not sotransparent as this guy was
about him.
He's like, hey, what's going on?
Like, can I help you findanything?
You know, one of those.
They're like, yeah, we're justwe're looking, uh, we're
delivering this or we're lookingfor that, and we're trying to
find the house.
Oh, they're over there.
Yeah, I'll help you out.
You know, like I'll do one ofthose.
But um, I'm never gonna comeacross with the color of law.

(42:57):
Like, I'm not gonna come acrossas a cop ever.

SPEAKER_01 (42:59):
No.
I mean, you can be a concernedcitizen all day long on your off
time.
Obviously, if it's a felony inyour presence or view, you have
a duty to act as long as you'recompletely sober.
Um, if you have the tools to doso.
But be a good witness, uh, as weknow how to do, is off duty, and
and call the ones that are onduty to come deal with something
if you're seeing something awrythat's worth uh tying up a

(43:21):
couple units for.
Uh, and and and don't be thatguy that's like, hey, I'm an
off-duty yada yada officer.
Just say, hey, I'm John Smith.
I live at 123 Main Street.
I've got two gentlemen walkingdown the street where there's a
house abandoned, and justexplain it to the dispatcher and
let her put it out as she wouldnormally and allow them to go do
it.
But I was serious when I saidI'm gonna build a bar someday

(43:41):
and we're gonna invite certainpeople.
So now I've got Faye I want toinvite, and now I want to invite
this guy.
I want to invite him in for aspecial drink and a place and
pool and just to talk, just forthese special folks that want to
go out there and uh you know,dispatch the badge.

SPEAKER_11 (43:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh Brandar said the sheriff, theShariff made a uh a statement
about all of this.
I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_16 (44:04):
Yeah, I I was looking for it just now and he
made a pretty lengthy it all ofits news channels, though.
Oh, there's one from thatcounty, actually.

SPEAKER_11 (44:14):
Um that's part of the problem, and you know, I I
do think alcohol was a bigfactor in that.
Um now the the thing is as Isaid that they didn't do a
sobriety test on him while whilethat all went down.
Um, and I'll tell you, like, ifyou don't see any signs of that
and nobody's making thoseclaims, it's probably not going
to be done.

(44:34):
And and I never heard anybodyclaim that until after the fact.
So I think they found out he hadbeen drinking, and they're like,
Well, why didn't they do asobriety test?
Because I don't think anybodyreally knew until after the
initial investigation contactwas over with.
So and once you lose contactwith them and you don't see them

(44:54):
drinking, uh, and then they theydisappear and come back, then
that whole them being drinking,them drinking or having drunk
prior um goes out the window.

SPEAKER_16 (45:05):
So would that was a what that scene would look like
if you were the spendingofficer, like you've got the
whole community trying to calmdown, deal with that situation,
and you know, like that would bechaos to figure, you know.
You're probably not doing a lotof talking to that dude in the

(45:26):
first place.
You're trying to figure outeverything else that was already
done.

SPEAKER_11 (45:30):
Yeah.
Um, and then then the otherpart, um the other part of all
of this is that people got upsetabout, and and we kind of tried
to chat in the comment sectionwas the stand uh the bystanders
that came over to help theofficer.
And they're like, oh, they'rejust blindly following the cops.

(45:51):
Listen, them coming over andhelping, I think actually helped
keep everybody safer because nowit limits what that cop would be
allowed to do and is able to do,and takes away his excuses for
using too much force because upuntil then he was alone.
More witnesses.
Now we can say, Well, I was bymyself, I'm against three people

(46:13):
that aren't listening, and heends up shooting one of them,
and everybody's pissed offbecause he doesn't get in
trouble for that.
But now you got two people thatcame over to help, and that
prevents that cop from using toomuch force.
Um, because now you got thoseindependent witnesses doing
that.
Brandon, no people on sceneasked the reporting officers to

(46:34):
breathe them, they did not, butlater said he refused to take
it.

SPEAKER_16 (46:40):
So if he was already at the department and he's
refusing to take it, there'ssome different things going on
there versus on the scene.
You know, now he has some um Iforget what what you call it,
it's not the Miranda, but for anemployee.
Brady?
No.
Um, it's something like theMiranda, but it's for an

(47:01):
employee.
Garrett, Garrety.
And so if he chose Garretyrights, then it becomes a whole
employee situation.

SPEAKER_11 (47:11):
And yeah.
Um but yeah, I'm sorry, I justsaw your text there, Manny.
It's old.
Um, yeah.
No, the civvies on scene askedto have him breathaly.
I gotcha.
Um I it I didn't see that onvideo, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_16 (47:34):
Do y'all even carry breathalyzers?
Like I we don't have them, no.
Yeah, we don't havebreathalyzers.

SPEAKER_11 (47:39):
Some have them, some don't.
Otherwise, you gotta go to thestation to do it.
Um that's what you gotta do forus where I'm at.
You gotta go to a centralizedarea station.
Um Brandon.
He's like, my comma didn't comethrough.
Uh Andy Fletcher, not differentthings, usual things, at least

(48:03):
the way many of us see it.
I don't know what we're talkingabout.
He must be responding tosomebody else's comment.
Um wait, so I heard that thecitizens asked on scene for him
to be breathlise and theyrefused.
I didn't I didn't hear that.
So it could just be uh updatedinfo that I don't have.
That's all.

(48:24):
Um but even then, uh even thenit you still need signs that
like just because somebody saysbreathlyze them.
I mean shit.
Everybody could say that.
Um but no, I I do agree.
If one of the kids were like,no, he was drinking, he had a
beer bottle or something.

(48:47):
I mean, but he was you guys sawhow he was acting.
So I don't think it isunreasonable.
I don't think it's unreasonable.
I'll put it that way.
I can I I'm not making anexcuse.
I can tell you how it can bemissed, how it can be not looked
at.
I'm also telling you like ifit's reasonable.
I I don't find that beyondreason uh given the situation.

SPEAKER_16 (49:10):
So Wade Laser's comment here I would never let a
citizen touch me on behalf ofthe police.
But in Texas, you know, I canlook at somebody and say, hey, I
need your help, and now they'reyou know working as an agent for
me.

SPEAKER_01 (49:26):
That comes back to an 1800s law called Posse
Comatatis.
It's still on the books, it'sstill legal and binding.
If an officer asks you to do itand you come and help, you are
protected under everything thatofficer is protected under
during that event.
And once it's over, possecomatatis goes away.

SPEAKER_11 (49:42):
Yeah, um, Arios said that I would say those
bystanders that stepped in mayhave put themselves at legal
rest.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
If if the officer didn't ask fortheir help um and just comes in,
then yeah, you you you areyou're always su susceptible to
legal uh civil suits.
Um I don't I don't see youwinning that uh when you're

(50:08):
you're just trying to help out,and but it's it's possible.
Um keto said, are you stillseizing the cell phones from the
victims for that scene?
Or can they send you the video?
When I was in evidence for abit, that was a big problem.
Typically we give them a link toupload the evidence to, and they

(50:29):
upload their video evidence thatway.
Especially these kids, I don'tsee that being a problem.
It only helps them in their sideof things.

SPEAKER_01 (50:37):
When that link goes through, depending on the
software that the agency uses,they're gonna be able to see if
there's been any edits, cuts,and be able to see if it's you
know reads the whole backstoryin the video digitally, which is
what is nice.
Uh but I'm I'm right there withyou, Eric.
I believe that they're gonnasubmit that full and clear.
So here's here's our side,here's what we saw, and what we
captured on our devices.

SPEAKER_11 (50:58):
Yeah.
Andy said they also said theysmelled booze.
Um, if he's not on duty, is hean officer?
Yes.
Um, it at least in Texas, I cantell you that I I am a cop 24-7,
even if I'm off duty.

SPEAKER_16 (51:13):
And uh yeah, yeah, if I've had any booze, you're
not gonna see a con a gun aroundme.

SPEAKER_11 (51:20):
Um, and then the other thing that you guys should
know is that just because mycity jurisdiction is you know
where it's at, I stilltechnically have jurisdiction in
the entire state of Texas as asworn peace officer to the
state.

SPEAKER_16 (51:35):
So um so Brandar asks this question.
Uh, you know, if this if if Iask your for your help, is it
then resisting arrest?
If that civilian, you know, he'sfighting a deputized officer.

SPEAKER_11 (51:49):
Hold on, let me read that.
If a suspect fights a civilianhelping, is that considered
resisting arrest?
The citizen is not deputized.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (51:57):
So there is, and I'd have to Google it to find it.
Maybe on the next show I canbring it up.
If posse comitatis is trulygiven, they can articulate that
fact, and the citizen is inthere at the will of the officer
to help the situation, and hegets fought upon, it is striking
a peace officer as it would thedeputy or the officer, the
agent, whoever's initiated thatposse comatatis.

(52:18):
So there is one case that wentthrough um and it went all the
way through the court system.
I'll try to find that and andshare it with Eric within this
week.

SPEAKER_11 (52:26):
Wade, sometimes, man, he just gets me.
He's got some gold in there.
I love it.
He said, So is stand my ground.
I have no idea who they are.
Who they are.
Threat is a threat.
A keto automatically kicks in.
Oh shit.
Bro, if your keto kicks in, Imean, hey, it is what it is.
That's a defense for the courts.

(52:49):
Sir, what happened was I fullyplanned to resist that officer,
but not this person over here.
I didn't know who that was.
And this body's a registeredlethal weapon with my keto
skills.
And uh my my nervous system isautomated.
It just it just went intoautomated automatic mode.

(53:11):
Uh what happened was neither myfault nor that man's fault.
Uh, it is what it is.
I'm a product of my training.
Oh, that's fucking funny.
Uh, twitchy skitch.
That's a cool name.
We got some cool names on here.
So many officers seem to overhave oversized egos when they
have a badge and a gun.
What can we do to prevent folkslike that from getting hired in

(53:33):
the first place?
That is a goal of mine, sir.
Um, we actually, at mydepartment, through uh my buddy,
uh, I'll show I'll shoot hisname out there.
George Lopez, and not the onethat you're thinking of, but uh
George.
Um, we've had this discussionand he decided to do something
about it.
And he created an ego class forrecruits.

(53:56):
And it it's not just, you know,hey, don't be this douchebag and
don't be this douchebag.
It is broken down to the scienceof it, how your brain operates
and when it's thinking with theparts of the brain it's supposed
to think with versus when thoseswitches happen and we start
thinking emotionally and andlizard brain-ish.
So you you should be thinking, Ibelieve, if I remember it

(54:19):
correctly, your prefrontalcortex, that's where all your um
logic and reason come from.
And then uh what are yougiggling about over there?
I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_01 (54:30):
You're over there.
I'm just listening to you, man.
You're you're loaded withknowledge.
I love it.

SPEAKER_11 (54:34):
Yeah, you're giggling like a little
schoolgirl.
Your face is turning red, you'regiggling so hard.

SPEAKER_01 (54:40):
It's it's the lighting, it's the dance lights
that I have in here.
They all turn on every once in awhile.

SPEAKER_11 (54:45):
I like that Alan's face got frozen for a second
with his eyes shut.
Anyway, um, so created this egocourse, and the point is to try
to help these officers recognizewhen they stop thinking
logically and reasonably andobjectively, and they switch
into that emotional state.
And more often than not, it'sthe recognition of the things

(55:08):
that make us switch into thatmindset, and that typically
happens when somebody questionsyour authority because 99% of
the population, uh 99% of thepopulation list to the officers,
they listen to the cops, they'reused to that.

(55:30):
That's the normal flow of hey, Ineed you to stand over there,
hey, I need you to go do this,hey, they kind of see your ID,
hey, you know, put your handsbehind your back.
Like people listen to that themajority of the time, 99% of the
time, they listen to that.
Two cops wouldn't do it.
Banning's red face is thelighting reflecting off his
beard.
That's that's true, that'spossible.
Although pretty soon his face isjust gonna be ghost white

(55:53):
because he is losing that gingerreal quick.

SPEAKER_01 (55:55):
Easy, easy.
Hey, that's what happened if yourun for office, man.

SPEAKER_11 (56:00):
Yeah, so to answer your question about what are we
doing, we're not doing enough.
We're not doing enough.
But I think if we create, if wecan make this type of class,
what I'm considering doing um isjust teaching that class,
taking, I want to, I'm trying toget George on here.
I want George to come on andwe're gonna do a live where we

(56:22):
just sit down and teach thatclass and discuss like this
together without you knowtalking to the crowd or anything
like that.
We're not gonna do that, it'sjust gonna be a normal live with
no chat in there.
And I'm just gonna throw it outthere and I'm gonna let you guys
throw it.
Send it to departments, send iteverywhere.
Hey, your cops have ego issues,they need to watch this class.

(56:44):
Hey, your cops have ego issues.
We're not gonna charge anything.
That I'm here to make thingsbetter, I ain't here to make
money.
So let's do that.
So that's the goal.
I want to get this class thatGeorge put together.
Him and I bounce off of eachother while we're while he's
teaching it, and then just throwit out there for everybody to
see.

SPEAKER_01 (57:03):
I'll email thousands of chiefs and sheriffs on
LinkedIn and say, hey, you gotto be a part of this live and
watch this.

SPEAKER_11 (57:08):
Yeah, because because my hope is kind of like
Elon's whole theory.
I'm gonna make this this Teslacar and this better his rockets
or whatever, and then throw allthe information out there for
people to get.
If you can make a betterbattery-powered car, go for it.
Like, same thing with thisclass.
I want to make this class, putit out there, and if you can
improve it or make it better,fucking do it.

(57:31):
It's only gonna help things.

SPEAKER_17 (57:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_11 (57:34):
So that's kind of the thought behind that.
So I need to hit.
I'm glad we kind of touched onthis because I kind of let that
slip to the backside.
Um, so thank you for reminding.
I don't remember who asked thatquestion, but um yeah, I'm gonna
try to get that out there.
I'm gonna get a hold of Georgehere soon, see if he's still
down to do that.
But yeah, that's that's how wehelp fix that.

(57:54):
Um, make sure you guys check outour Discord channel, it's up in
the chat right now.
Um, please, if you haven't donethat, join on.
Uh, I'm gonna give a shout outto one of our sponsors,
Peregrine.
Um, again, I know you guys hearme talk about this a lot.
The next podcast you're gonnahear is uh a former cop, but
Peregrine employee.
And uh his name is Kevin Cox.

(58:15):
But the reason I keep pushing itso much is just like this ego
class.
I want to improve policing.
This will improve policing, thiswill help your department save
money.
If you can't you can't affordcops, which nobody can afford
cops right now, this will helpthe cops they have solve crimes
faster.
And it's not an invasion ofprivacy, it's nothing like that.

(58:36):
All that Peregrine really doesis it takes all your different
systems and lets them talktogether.
So if you've got your evidenceover here, you've got your
report writing system over here,and you've got your ALPR or
whatever, your gang file here,and your LPR over here.
These are all things that copsare paying for at their

(58:57):
department, but they don't talkto each other.
So you gotta go to one to lookthrough it, you got to go to the
other to look through it, yougot to go to this one to look
through it, you gotta go to thatone.
And that's just one way it helpssave time by bringing everything
all into one.
But the other thing that itreally does is it helps you sort
through the clutter and getright to what you need to find.

(59:18):
So that's why I keep pushingthis stuff, guys.
It's going to help policing,it's gonna help policing.
That's what I want to do.
Um, but yeah, uh, Freeman, everydepartment needs to see it.
Yeah, I would love for them to.
Um I keep I keep telling peoplethat the training where I am at
is so far ahead of most policeuh departments.

(59:39):
I'm not gonna say it's the best.
I just think we're the best in alot of aspects because it's not
fair to other departments andthere's stuff I haven't seen.
So but from what I've seen, it'sone of the best.
Harrison Brock said two copswent on, and I was taught to
question government, leaders,employees.
Well, everything, but that wasin private school.
Well, you should question.

(01:00:00):
Your government.
You should.
Um Craig, you trust other peoplewith us.
I do.
I think you'll do a good job,buddy.
I think you guys will do great.
Uh all right.
On a break, so I can pretend topay attention again.
Oh, sorry.
Uh, you can click that one upthere.

(01:00:20):
Still no membership donut forMarine Bloods, but hey, he's got
the wrench.
Yeah, that's true.
He doesn't technically need it,does he?
No.

SPEAKER_16 (01:00:29):
Uh big shout out to him because he does a lot for
us.

SPEAKER_11 (01:00:33):
He does very much.
Marine Bloods does he runs ourDiscord in the background very
well.
Um, shit that I don't even thinkabout.
Him and Brian Thompson's anotherone that really helps out with
that.
So yeah, uh Twitchy skitch.
Uh as long as we have prisonsfor profit, the homeless are
easy targets to keep beds warm.

(01:00:53):
Yeah, yeah.
The the private prison system isthat needs to go away.
We've already had judges, whatis it, Pennsylvania that had a
huge corruption deal going on?
Yeah, that's that's crazy to me.
That's uh again, it's shit likethat that makes this uphill
battle even harder for guys likeus.
Because it just makes us looklike shit.

(01:01:15):
Um, Eye of the Night said, uh, Ithink foya, Freedom of
Information Act, there should besomething like that for officer
issues.
Agreed.
Yeah, we've talked about that inLinkedIn here, Eye of the Night.
We've uh I want there to be anational registration for
police.
Um on the national registrationfor police, what I would love is

(01:01:36):
for whatever your jacket is,that means your file.
Like that should be kept onthere.
No, I don't think people shouldjust be able to willy-nilly go
get into it.
But I think if an investigationhappens that allows you to
resign, anything that that's outof the ordinary.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:54):
Well, there's there's there's somebody that's
kind of going down this trackthat has created an app.
And I'm I'm gonna plug him inthere because I love what he's
doing, and now it's actuallygoing nationwide.
Um, I I'm not sure if we can wecan plug him in there, but Nick
off duty.
Plug him, Nick Off Duty.
Nick Off Duty.
If you guys look him up onInstagram, TikTok, this guy is a

(01:02:15):
police officer, and he has comeup with an ingenious app between
law enforcement agencies, thetrainees, or cops that are
looking to lateral.
That means going to anotheragency.
And he is really doing some goodthings, and he's gonna be able
to tweak this app as it grows toweed out the bad seeds.

(01:02:36):
Um, you know, states are tryingto do little tweaks here and
there, but they're not doingwell enough.
I believe Nick Off Duty is isonto something here, and and the
app that he's created, and Idon't know if Eric can bring up
a little 30-second clip of whatthat app does, which is this is
what every state needs tofriggin' do, it's it's friggin'
awesome.
And and I 100% back what he'sdoing because it's a lot more

(01:02:59):
transparency.
It also helps the the good copsget to great places.
I love it.

SPEAKER_11 (01:03:04):
Yeah, I agree.
Um, I just text them, say, heybro, we're plugging you.

SPEAKER_16 (01:03:09):
So there's a there's a copy of the app and then all
the different uh yeah like someof the things that happen in the
application.
One of the big cool things uhthat I really was intrigued
about is you can go on there ifyou're looking for a police
officer's job and you can getlike your credentials and your
raking up.

SPEAKER_11 (01:03:28):
Yeah, yeah.
The the thing with his app thatI I don't think he realized when
he was telling us about itoffline before he like made it
public public, was I was like,dude, you've basically created
the tool to have a nationalregistry for police.
I think that would be anothergood selling point, and it would
really get the public behind it.

(01:03:49):
I'm hoping he uses that and thensells it to the government
because the government's nevergonna let a private third party
thing be like official, right?
But if he can get it going andget the momentum behind it, then
he can sell it over to thegovernment.
The government can take it over,and now we've got it.
Uh, I think that would be theway to go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:07):
And in reference to what Harrison, the very first
comment that's up there rightnow, um, I believe that's been
told to him, Harrison.
And and and Nick is uh gotethics like no other.
So if there's an issue withthat, he's gonna pound that down
to where he can figure that out.
This dude is really he's got hisbrain behind this, he's got a
lot of good people behind thisapp, the creators, etc., that he

(01:04:30):
has on board and his team.
And I look at this as being anactual uh fix in some of the
scenarios that we talk aboutseveral times on this podcast.

SPEAKER_11 (01:04:39):
Yep, I agree.
Yep.
I think uh I think what Nick'sgot going on is um is awesome.
Um so in that, let's go to thenext video that will surely make
your blood boil.
Um share screen, Instagram,boom.

(01:05:01):
This is another one that gotpeople's feathers all ruffled,
which kind of cracked me up.
So uh does I don't know ifAlan's trying to get back on.
No, he's eating.
So, all right, I'm gonna playthis.
Can you hear that?

(01:05:28):
Okay, so I did clip this woman abunch to kill the dead spaces,
but not the talking parts.
But what you see is he he did,he goes and pulls them all over.
There was no conversation inbetween this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:57):
Okay?

SPEAKER_11 (01:06:01):
I would have never taken that phone.
I'm just gonna say, I mepersonally, I wouldn't have
taken that phone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:08):
So is he putting something with power with him on
the phone?
Or what's the deal?

SPEAKER_11 (01:06:12):
This guy in the car's name's Reggie Murdoch,
he's the 9th district ofArkansas.
Don't quote me on that, but Ithink that's pretty damn close.
I think that's what he is.
So he's like a senator, senator,ninth district, something to
that effect.
And uh he calls the sheriffwhile he's being pulled over,
obviously.
And so now it's the sheriff thathe's on the phone with.

(01:06:34):
Um he tries to have aconversation with the the
sheriff and then the phone calldrops.
So I cut that because it theonly real pertinent information
that you hear the officer say islike he's been pulled over like
a hundred times, and that partgot cut out because he ends up
calling the sheriff back.

(01:07:47):
So yeah, yeah.
First off, let me get on myfucking pedestal.
You're a politician.
You're breaking the law,asshole.
Yeah, your standard should beshould be higher than the cops.
Yep.
I mean, technically, no, we'reall public servants, but you

(01:08:08):
should be higher than the copsbecause you're gonna be the
first asshole out there that'slike, we need to have police
reform, we need to have this, weneed to have that.
Meanwhile, rules for thee andnot for me.
And so you've got that.
Now, the part that I didn'taddress in the video, because I
ran out of time, that's why Iclipped it.
I was time was of the essence,and I I should have put it in

(01:08:28):
the comments, and I just didn'tthink to do it.
But the sheriff.
The sheriff is a problem.
The fact that you would evenentertain that call and not put
that guy in his place, uh, thatpissed me off because now you're
just as bad as this politician,which a sheriff is a politician

(01:08:49):
in a way, but uh you're just asbad as this politician.
And you know, do I blame the copfor caving?
No, I don't think I would cavepersonally.
I don't think I would.
I'd like to say I wouldn't, butyou never know.
You might be a point in yourcareer where you're just like
fuck it.
I ain't I'm not even this is notworth my energy.

(01:09:11):
You may be in that point, and Idon't blame you.
I don't blame anybody.
It's the same for you could beworking at Subway or Taco Bell,
and somebody's about to reachover and grab into the counter,
and you're like, I could stophim, but it ain't worth it.
I ain't even gonna try.
So this type of shit is is whatgets me is the the sheriff and

(01:09:33):
the politician doing this.
What do you got, Benny?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:37):
I've been through the situation twice uh while
working for a sheriff's officehere in the great state of
Texas.
And uh I thought I was not gonnahave a job because uh the amount
of power that's given into adeputy is something as is uh
lighthearted as a traffic stop,and I say that because of the
amount of duties that you haveas a peace officer.

(01:09:57):
Um I don't care what yourelected uh official status is,
if you're my boss or not, thestate says that it shall be at
officer discretion on a class Cviolation in the state of Texas.
And I have been called mid-stop,and of course, everybody knows
me.
I don't mute, I don't doanything, I take the full video,
and uh I'll answer that call onon speaker, and uh tell them I'm

(01:10:21):
I'll talk to him after the call.
Yeah, and I get up there and Iissue my citation or warning
based on what my thought wasprior to the stop.
And just like you, I'm not a bigcitation writer, but that type
of call or message on an MDTscreen or somebody's
interference is what I, youknow, it looks like to me.

(01:10:41):
I will usually take the higheraction only because somebody's
trying to interfere with thiswas something of power
politically, and I don't playthat game, and everybody knew
it.
So I didn't make many friendsabove because they couldn't call
me to get somebody excused oftheir criminal actions.
And I will stand on my pedestalall day long and name dime them
several times over and over andover again.

(01:11:03):
And I never I I kept my job.
So um basically, like, hey, Idid it.
I this was the decision that Imade prior to receiving the
phone call.
I stuck with that decision.
If you want to go stand next tohim as an elected official in
court, so be it.

SPEAKER_11 (01:11:17):
Yeah, and you know that that was not a state
trooper.
That was uh he he calls himselfDeputy Thorne, I think, or
something, like Thorpe, and uhlist his agency, and then that
was the sheriff that they talkedto.
So it was not uh the statepolice, no, but yeah.
So so we had that one.
Uh it looks like everybody inthe comment section is pretty

(01:11:40):
much in the same.
Who is this dude?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:42):
Oh, yeah, one of those one of those guys.

SPEAKER_11 (01:11:46):
Can we talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:48):
I'd probably uh delete that's a money raising
thing.

SPEAKER_11 (01:11:51):
Yeah, nobody click whatever num nuts on there is
saying.
Um that's on Facebook, too.

SPEAKER_16 (01:11:57):
Let me just I'll take care of it.

SPEAKER_11 (01:11:59):
Oh, there we go.
Thank you, sir.
Um, let's see, what else we got?
Exactly.
Let the judge or AG dismiss it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh remember that video.
I'm an AG or whatever the hellshe was trying to say.
I would write a video just towrite him for calling my boss.
Oh, I don't disagree with that.

(01:12:19):
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be mad atyou for doing it.
My thing is if I was gonna writeit, I'm gonna write it.
I don't Jesus called me on thephone.
He could have been the Lord andSavior on his way back.
Eric, please don't write that.
Oh, sorry, sir.
I already checked his history,he's got this one coming.

SPEAKER_16 (01:12:36):
And in Texas, if they get if they try to force
you to do something else, thatbecomes official oppression.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:41):
And 100%.
And I kind of wish I wasfollowing those, but yep.

unknown (01:12:48):
Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_11 (01:12:51):
But again, it could be one of those things that just
because you can doesn'tnecessarily mean you should,
because you may pay for thatthroughout your career.
You never know.
It won't be obvious, but it'llyou'll know because you'll be
working shit details and havecrap hours and all that stuff,
and it's not enough to complainabout.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
Like, I I'm not saying it's Iagree with what he did, but I

(01:13:14):
understand.
So like Chris Rock said abouthitting a woman, he's like, he's
like, I don't think you shouldhit him.
He's like, and that man clearlydid.
He's like, I think it's wrong,but I understand.
Damn.
So same thing in this position.

(01:13:34):
Yeah, I I wouldn't I would havewrote the ticket, but at least I
think I would, but I understandwhy he didn't.
So uh what's Tim saying?
Sound issue right there.

SPEAKER_16 (01:13:46):
Sounds yeah, you went out and came back in again.

SPEAKER_11 (01:13:50):
Did it?

SPEAKER_16 (01:13:50):
I think you have a connection.
You're fine now, but I think yousomewhere we have a connection
issue, maybe backside of yourroadie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:58):
Just give me an example.
It's like if you create too muchnoise for a mic and it goes down
for a minute and comes back up,that's what yours done.
And it's only done it twiceduring the show.

SPEAKER_15 (01:14:11):
Yep.
We're of the same color on thatone now.

SPEAKER_16 (01:14:18):
Hey, it just came back and you're really loud now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:22):
Oh loud.
Oh, you're on the other micagain.
Yeah, it fucked up.

SPEAKER_16 (01:14:33):
I of the night said, yeah, you went into the fishbowl
for a moment.
Oh so we used to be going live.
In the small town that we werewe live in, yeah, we would
always get, well, I'm gonna callthe chief, I'm gonna call the
chief.
And I think you get thatanywhere you go, but then you

(01:14:54):
would actually get the chief onlike you'd be in the car running
the 29 or whatever, and and uhhe'd be like, Go ahead and write
the ticket.

SPEAKER_15 (01:15:06):
It's like he goes, We'll talk when you get to the
PD, but make sure that ticketgets signed.
And I'm like, Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:14):
I've worked with a couple of weak chiefs in my
life, and um I've heard them,I've heard them get on the phone
and say, Go ahead and dismissthat.
And then you see that officercome in and say, Hey Chief, can
you tell me that again?
I couldn't hear you over theover the phone out there, and
it's because they're recording,and the chief's like, what did
you do?
Issue it or not?
Well, I issued it.
Well, just disregard.
And then anyway, it's it I'veseen it on both sides of the

(01:15:37):
fence.
It's disgusting, and I don'tmind friggin' uh slapping people
down and running them over forit because F you and your and
your politics on it, treateverybody equally, period, be
done.

SPEAKER_16 (01:15:47):
You know, it's really funny though.
Uh you're quiet, but it soundsreally good.
So god damn it.

SPEAKER_11 (01:15:56):
All right, as long as it sounds good.
Yeah, you're good.

SPEAKER_16 (01:15:59):
You're good.
Yeah, you're I mean, it's just alittle quieter than normal.

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't understand.
Don't know what the differenceis.

SPEAKER_16 (01:16:13):
Trying to it sounds pretty good right there.
So yeah, you're louder, so okay.

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:21):
Are you sick of the house?

SPEAKER_16 (01:16:26):
I think his neigh his neighbor's house is for sale
too.

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:29):
So no, it's already been sold, bud.

SPEAKER_16 (01:16:31):
Dang it!

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I got a cool ass new neighbor too.

SPEAKER_16 (01:16:35):
Oh, do you?

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:35):
That's yeah, he's badass.
Like, that's cool.
Cool dude.
Does a ton of shit with Jeepstoo, which I love.
But uh, let's go over to thenext video here.
We haven't even gotten to thebody cam stuff yet.
This is bad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:52):
Next week you're not gonna see banning on here.
It's gonna be the new neighbor,Jeep Guys, Margaret Plus.

SPEAKER_11 (01:16:56):
Yeah, right.
Oh shit.
All right, this is for all mysovereign citizen love.
I've said this forever on here.
Your shit doesn't work at court.
All it does is either piss themoff or make them laugh.
Well, now I got some video.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:19):
Traveler.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:21):
So officers initiated a traffic stop in
Harris County Texas for avehicle having a fictitious
plate bearing the word traveleron it.
During the stop, the defendantrefused to provide traveler.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:35):
During the stock, the defendant refused to provide
ID or insurance information,stating the defendant actively
resisted by pulling his armorwayfrom deputy depending on even if
my client is failing to umneeded to interfere with
anything in terms of his armaway.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:51):
If they're asking you to come out, they can
lawfully do that.
Go on YouTube, right?
There are hundreds of videoswhere officers will literally
destroy your car to get you outwhen you get into a pissing
match with a person who has thepower of arrest.
Who's gonna win, Mr.

(01:18:11):
Daly?

SPEAKER_11 (01:18:12):
Alright, quick backstory.
Sovereign citizen tried to pullit.
Alright.
So I told you guys, told you alot.
It's just hard to get any videofrom court.
I I did see this is the harambeshirt, guys.
I was gonna type it in the chat,but I don't know how to spell
harambe.
So this is the American pie.

(01:18:33):
Yep, yep.
And then Banning's wearing hisbest brawny shirt that he could
find.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:38):
So the dollar general rag, man, whatever fits.

SPEAKER_11 (01:18:42):
Right.
Yeah, but Retro Rifle isdefinitely one of our official
sponsors.
Uh, so make sure you guys gocheck them out and uh let them
know two cops one donut sentyou.
Thanks for noticing, free.
Um, but uh yeah, this is one ofmy arguments I make all the
time.
What does the D on the shifterstand for?
This doesn't mean travel.

(01:19:03):
But I I see these stupid assvideos of these people trying to
explain you you're driving incommerce and da da da da.
I'm like, listen, you can comeup with all of the legal jargon
you want.
It's not gonna work in court, itwon't work.
100% it's not going to work.
And the thing that nobody everreally talks about that is on

(01:19:27):
that side is they'll be like,look at all these court cases
I've won.
I would love to read those courtcases because they never fully
disclose them.
It just shows they're that theywon.
And I agree.
I bet they did win, but theydidn't win with the argument of
I was traveling.
It's just they won with the theywon with the argument that
either the cop didn't show up,the correct, the the speedometer

(01:19:51):
wasn't calibrated that morningper regulation.
Um there's so whatever otherlittle stupid technicality you
want to name, it wasn't theargument that I was driving in
commerce and da-da-da-da-da likenone.
What was you gonna say, Banning?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:05):
They've been peeled back in the past to where what
did they actually win?
And it's usually the ones thatare under 24 miles an hour of
the posted speed limit, and theywent to the safety class.
They went to that class and gotprobation for a year showing
that they technically won thecase because they didn't receive
a fine, and that's not friggin'winning.
That's siding with the court onhere's what you must complete

(01:20:26):
now within this time period.
That's not winning, that's thecourt winning.
And that's the court getting youto understand that you must
complete this class now.
So a lot of those are thatclass, uh, the ones that I
peeled back and have seen.

SPEAKER_11 (01:20:39):
Yep, I agree.
Yeah, for sure.
So I I mean, don't and at theend of that video, I say this.
Keep making the sovereigncitizen argument, guys.
Like you give me content andlaughs for days.
I love it.

SPEAKER_16 (01:20:53):
Oh, some of them are great.
Like, you know, we don't getmuch of that where I'm at, but
you know, every once in a whileyou get one and you just I mean,
it's just gold.

SPEAKER_11 (01:21:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Brandar said, that's just likeasking a cop what the wheelchair
sign means when they park in it.
Uh yeah, fair.
Um, it depends too.
Like, if I'm coming in on a hotcall, I'll park wherever the
fuck I want.
Whatever's the most convenientso I can get into where I'm
trying to get into in a hothurry.

(01:21:27):
Um, I've done that on domesticsat apartment complexes.
I've like, I I'm telling youguys the truth.
I will park in some crazy assspots if I'm responding.
But if I'm going to lunch, likethat's where that's where we
have some problems.
And I think that's kind of whatBrandart's talking about is like
when cops just show uparbitrarily to places and

(01:21:47):
they're not on a call, andthat's where it's a problem.
That is where it's a problem.
Like, you need to be smarterthan that.
Now, here's a philosophicalquestion that I'll pose to the
crowd and to you guys on here.
What's your feelings on let'ssay there's no parking and it
would require the officer to gopark way out in BFE or park like

(01:22:08):
in the fire lane or somewherethat makes it convenient for
them to run in and grab lunch?
What's your thoughts on that?
Because for me, I kind of seethe argument both ways.
A regular person can't do that,fair.
But a cop that is on duty has aright to a lunch, and what if

(01:22:29):
they're running in to grab thefood, then to leave, so they can
be ready to respond faster.

SPEAKER_16 (01:22:36):
What if they get a call in the middle of that and
they have to run back to theircar?

SPEAKER_11 (01:22:40):
Right.
So that's where thephilosophical debate starts to
come in on this.
The hypotheticals start comingin.
We can what if all night?
Yep.
I would be more prone for anNYPD cop to be able to do that
than I would for a fucking uhWest Pinkon Fieldville cop to do

(01:23:02):

SPEAKER_16 (01:23:04):
So do you do you leave your lights on on a hot
call?

SPEAKER_11 (01:23:09):
Well, I don't leave my sirens on.
Um it depends.
Like if I'm coming up to adomestic, I typically I don't I
don't have my lights on.
I don't want them to know thatI'm there.
That's different.
Um I might leave my glows on,and that's kind of a new
feature.
That wasn't a thing when I waswhen I was a younger cop.

(01:23:30):
It was either the lights werestrobing or they weren't.
Yeah, right.
But now we have like these glowlights.
So you'll see red and blue, theybut they don't draw attention to
anybody really other than thepeople that are looking for you.

SPEAKER_16 (01:23:43):
It's almost like using the uh uh roadside safety
for construction workers, youknow, where it's just always
going, so it's kind of hey, I'ma warning vehicle kind of thing,
in my opinion.
Yeah.
Where used to it was justeverything, and uh it was
sometimes too much.
It made it hard for you to doyour job too.

SPEAKER_11 (01:24:04):
Yeah.
Um, Andy said, I have myhandicap placard, but many a
time I have parked far away.
And and I like I I don't I getthat too.
Like it's one of it's a judgmentcall.
Like it if you're trying toscarf down, like there's 40
calls holding, and you know thatyou're not gonna get time to get
food, and you're like, I gottarun in, run out, go grab this

(01:24:28):
food, scarf something down, andgo handle these calls.
So I I I I see it both ways.
It just depends.
Now, if you see a car, if yousee a cop car parked in the
handicap spot, and then you goinside and they're sitting down
eating.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:44):
Issues.

SPEAKER_11 (01:24:44):
I got issues with that big time.
I I don't like that.
But if you're running in,grabbing a sack and getting the
fuck out.
Okay.

SPEAKER_16 (01:24:53):
Well, and this comment here, I I hear what
you're saying, but I can't tellyou in how many 12-hour shifts
that I've never gotten a lunch.
You know, like sometimes youjust gotta fit it in where you
fit it in, and it's it's youdon't really stop technically.

SPEAKER_11 (01:25:09):
Technically, your lunch is off duty.
No.
Not my lunch.
Not for patrol.
Your lunch is on duty.
Yeah, you're not off the clock.
Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:22):
It's it's similar to and let's let's throw this out
to the entire first responderworld.

SPEAKER_11 (01:25:26):
They're just not gonna dispatch you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:27):
So if you if you get a fire station that that let's
say twice a week rolls to Krogeror Walmart grocery, and they're
gonna stock up for their shift,their their 48-hour shift, and
they're gonna roll in there as asquad, go in, split up the bill
for whatever they're gonna get.
They're usually parked becauseit's a big ass fire truck, and

(01:25:49):
I'm not gonna go into theapparatus or whatever it's
called.
It's bigger than what you and Iare driving with our family to
the store.
They're typically parked up bythe entrance because one,
they're they're still on call ifsomething were to erupt a major
accident, stuff like that.
So I don't want people to thinkthat, and there probably are
cops that are abusing this, andI've I've called out a few uh if
I've seen them personally, likeyou're saying, sitting down in

(01:26:10):
the restaurant at IHOP whiletheir car's just sitting out
there running up against thatfront curb.
I've got issues with thatbecause the IHOP parking lot was
huge.
However, the fires are coming upthere getting getting that and
grabbing their food and goingbecause they're cooking
everything at their station.
I personally don't have aproblem with that, but I can see
where people have an issue withthat as well.

(01:26:30):
Are they blocking a space or ahandicapped?
No.
Are they in a fire lane and afire truck?
Yes.
Are they there on an officialcall?
No.
But these guys, if we call themfor an accident or dispatch
pages them out, if they'reparked at the very back of the
parking lot at Walmart to wherethese parking lots can go a
quarter mile long, that's a hikefor these guys.
And then there's somebodybleeding out at a friggin'

(01:26:52):
accident.
I don't have a problem with themparking a little bit closer.
But that's we have to look atthat on both sides.
So it's yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_16 (01:27:00):
So I have a different question for you along
the same lines.
But so when you go eat fastfood, um, most of us know um
your local, smaller city, uh,you know who's cooking your
food, and if they see lawenforcement's ordering it, so

(01:27:21):
you find out ways to call it inor things like that, so they
don't know that lawenforcement's ordering the food.
You know, at Sonic, we knowwhich stall we can park in, so
we're not on camera, so theyknow it's not a police officer
ordering it.
Yeah, those type of things.

SPEAKER_11 (01:27:36):
Yeah.
Um that's definitely a thing.
Yeah.
I try to go to places I can seethe food being made.
Um Subway, you know.
Yeah.
Um, that's why I say Subwayquite a bit.
I like right, right.
Although they are a crappysandwich place now.
They were awesome when we werekids, but yeah, they let
themselves go.
But Brandar, why can't policemanage their own lunch like most

(01:27:58):
of the workforce do?
Because we're not like mostworkforce.
And I will I you listen, I willgo after cops all day long when
it's deserved.
I will call out good cops whenit's deserved.
I will also say when they'rebeing lazy, or if there's some
differences in work.

(01:28:18):
Cops do not work like anybodyelse in the workforce.
Anybody they are required to goto all of the things.
All of the things.
So, no, they're not the same.
And trying to compare them isit's not a fair comparison at
all.
It's not reasonable, that's notobjective at all.

(01:28:40):
So uh I I am not on board withthat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:44):
I I I see a lot of comments on you know that these
different businesses out therehave police parking, and and
that's amazing.
Uh, just with the and I I hatethis word because it's so
overused, the tactical mindsetthat you have to have while
you're on patrol wearing youryour uh your your your costume,
if you will, your your lawenforcement attire, and you pull

(01:29:04):
up into a marked police parkingspot to get out to go get your
lunch, thank you to the businessfor one for doing that.
That's a big thank you.
Um but two, if somebody is goingto to have an issue with or want
to do harm, um, I would hate tobe the guy that pulls up in that
spot, gets out, and goes, youknow, just with the just with

(01:29:26):
the things that can happen withlaw enforcement.
I would rather park at the backof the lot, walk my large rear
end up there and get what I needto get and go on.
If a call comes out for me, Idon't mind sprinting.
Get out to that car and and andget back to business.
But I have personally neverparked in police parking except
at a hospital, um, in referenceto it's around the back at one

(01:29:49):
of these hospitals, and I wastaking somebody up for a mental
evaluation, and then it's notreally a public parking, it's
more professional services, andone of that being law
enforcement.
That's the only time that Ireally parked.

SPEAKER_11 (01:30:03):
Yeah.
Um Craig said, Do you radio inthat you're getting a lunch?
Yes.
So you'll rate the way that itworks is you'll radio in to see
if it's clear to take a lunchand dispatch that that's kind of
the thing that then poor guysthey got to deal with.
Because when calls are slammed,they got to tell you no
sometimes.
Like, no, you you can't clearfor a lunch.

(01:30:23):
Uh and they'll they'll they'llthrow it on the sergeant
usually.
Hey, one of your guys is askingif it's clear to take lunch.
We got some calls.
Are you okay with them taking alunch?
And me as a sergeant, I'll lookand I'll be like, all right,
this person hasn't taken a callin a while.
Yeah, you're good.
Hey, uh banning cover for himwhile he's out getting his food.
So you'll get that break.
Um but you are still now what'sgonna happen is you're not gonna

(01:30:46):
be subject to call.
The dispatcher's not gonnadispatch you unless shit hits a
fan.
And there's just a ton of callscoming out and they can't avoid
them anymore.
If there's a bunch of priorityones or anything like that,
they're gonna pull you from yourlunch.
It does happen.
And you you're gonna belistening to the radio anyway.

SPEAKER_16 (01:31:04):
Yeah, and then you hear that one call come out that
you know you have to respond to.

SPEAKER_11 (01:31:08):
Yeah, and or you're gonna hear one of your buddies
going that's covering for you,going to your beat on a hot
call, and you're like, fuck, Ican't let him go do that.
So you have that beat ownership.
So you're gonna go out andyou're gonna cover for your guy.
So um, and I'm the comments kindof went down the thing, but um
saying that you need to prep fora meal, you're missing the

(01:31:28):
fucking point, Brandar.
It isn't about the food, it'sthe break.
They get a 45-minute break,regardless.
So if they choose to spend thatat a restaurant, at if their
house is close, because I sawsomebody ask, do they get to go
home?
No, I don't know.
Some don't.
Some do, some don't.
Yeah.
If you live in your area, maybe.

(01:31:48):
But like I don't, I've nevergone home in my patrol car.
I don't I don't live in thecity.
Yeah, I don't shit where I eat.
So um, yeah, I you don't get togo home.
But it isn't about the foodnecessarily.
Planning to eat.
You get a 45-minute break.
If you what if you didn't pack alunch?
What if you forgot?
What if what uh whatever?

(01:32:09):
It doesn't matter.
You get 45 minutes, spend itwhere you want to spend it, as
long as it's allowed.
And since food's allowed, well,guess what?
It has nothing to do withplanning properly.
It's it's planning smartly andand being strategic and being
ready if a call comes out.
So if you do stop to go getfood, or you do stop to go get a

(01:32:29):
manicure or a pedicure on yourbecause some of the female well,
some of the guy officers do ittoo.
Shit.
Uh while you're in there gettingyour your mani petty or
whatever, not a manny petty, butyou know, whatever it is.
You go do some shopping at aclothing store.
Yeah, you still want to beparked close so you can go

(01:32:49):
respond.
So that that's it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:55):
And if you throw uh Will Will Mangum's up there, uh,
I know Will, I know the areathat he's he's speaking about,
and I'm I'm I I didn't knowabout that.
I'm happy that he did ask.
Because if you would have askedhim to move, it would have been
another just 30 feet for thatofficer to walk.
Damn right, move it down some.
Go down, go in there, knock yourworkout out.
But it's a dirt parking lot,it's not huge, or even the the

(01:33:18):
paved one that we have in thecounty, even if you move it to
the farthest spot, it's notincreasing your walk.
But allow these members that arethat are paying that that
membership to come in on theiroff time to do whatever, just
freaking park.
You're in a marked unit, man.
I mean, we're here to serve thepeople.
Go down there and freaking parkand just come out and do your
business.
You know what I mean?
And when you're off in yourpersonal car, if you find a

(01:33:39):
closed spot, win.
Awesome.
If not, so what?
Just fucking excuse me, justwalk.

SPEAKER_11 (01:33:45):
Yeah.
And and then the other thing,too, is like I know a lot of
officers that work out.
They want to go work out duringthe lunch.
Well, what they have to do iskeep most of their uniform on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:57):
It's a modified uniform.

SPEAKER_11 (01:33:59):
So they modify they just slightly modify their
uniform so they can go respondquickly still if they have to.
And I think that that's anotheraspect that we need to consider
is allowing officers to work outon duty because you require them
to have physical fitness.
So um be realistic, guys.

(01:34:20):
At work, you have a fridgemicrowave, which gives you
options.
Cops have to order food, andthey are frequently pulled away,
sometimes without getting foodthey already paid for.
Yeah, that does happen.
And and that is that goes to myargument about parking close.
So some people don't think thatthey should be allowed to.

(01:34:42):
I would argue that in the biggerpicture of things, I would
rather that cop car be as closeas it can be all the time.
That's just me.
Now, I don't think they shouldbe taking away the one
handicapped spot, but we allEric Parks in the handicapped
spot at the spot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:03):
Um you know, for for the 20 plus that I was in there
for probably 11 of those years,uh, and my wife helped me as I
packed my little six lunchesthat I took with me.
And on the drive, I'm eating theentire day because I power
lifted for my hour and a halfthat they gave us.
Or not my hour and a half, 45minutes.

(01:35:24):
I'm like, damn, bro, that's thelongest lunch I've ever heard
of.
12-hour shift, and you getwhat's called a 15-minute en
route and a 45-minute eat.
So it's technically a full hour.
If you wanted to, you could gettwo 30-minute coffee breaks as
opposed to a full lunch, butthat was your option.
Um, I usually took the full one,went to work out, and I'd been

(01:35:45):
cleared several times.
You know, my number back thenwas 292.
They'd be like 292 coffee, majoraccident, boom, you just throw
all that back on.
And if you got a burrito in yourmouth, freaking take that with
you out to the car and youfinish that shit before you get
on scene and do your friggin'job and go on to the next.
Um I had a lunch box.
I came prepared for more thanhalf of my career.
Um the last half I had some moreoptions that were in town.

(01:36:08):
I could easily go pick upsomething.
It was never an issue.
Uh, but but that's different fordifferent departments in the
environment that they're servingin.
Some guys are so rural that theyhave no choice but to pack a
lunch unless they're gonna gograb some grass with the cows
that they're freakingprotecting.

SPEAKER_16 (01:36:24):
Yeah, yeah.
After nine o'clock around myplace, we don't even have
convenience stores.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:28):
Sidewalks roll up, man.
Yeah.
Yeah, yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (01:36:31):
And uh somebody asked, Chelsea Aguilar asked if
we got her picture with that.
I didn't get my picture.

SPEAKER_16 (01:36:35):
That was me.
Oh, was that you?
Yeah, I'll share it in just amoment.
Okay.

SPEAKER_11 (01:36:40):
I don't have it on my computer at this second.
Yep.
Um, but no, I you know, again,it it doesn't, it it's very
little to do with the food,guys.
It's not my point.
The point is you get 45 minutes,whether they choose to spend
that getting food or going intouh doggy daycare just to pet the

(01:37:00):
dogs that are there.
I don't care.
I would still prefer that theypark close.
Um, me personally, I and my momsaid it in the comment.
I don't like to hunt forparking.
I park far away every time.
One, I just try to avoid doordings, and two, I I don't mind
walking, it doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_16 (01:37:23):
Well, my wife will drive around the parking lot for
an hour to get that perfectspot, and I I'm like, like, we
could have been in and out.
Like, let's go.

SPEAKER_11 (01:37:32):
Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
Um, let's uh let's get to somebody cams now, since we're uh
what did I say?
I heard somebody say savage.
Wade uh cops should carry acarry pocket bacon to snack

(01:37:53):
between calls.
That doesn't sound bad.
I like me some bacon.
Uh haha, Duncan snack and bacon.
You guys are stupid.
Oh shit.
I love it, love it.
All right, let's uh share thescreen here, shall we?

(01:38:13):
Okay, so for those of you thatmay be new to what we do with
these body cam reviews, um, iswe watch body cam videos of
stuff we've never seen before,and then we act as though we are
the cops in the call rather thanwatch the whole thing and then
kind of Monday morningquarterback, it kind of gives
you a unique view of how webreak down a call as it's

(01:38:34):
developing.
So um I am going to biggie sizethis screen here.
There we go.
And let's this one's fiveminutes 53 seconds.
All the videos are kind of longtoday, by the way.
Um doesn't appear this has anysound.
I'm gonna guess that's asuspect.

(01:38:57):
He had something in his hand.
I couldn't tell what that was.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:02):
They're just waiting on the bus.

SPEAKER_11 (01:39:04):
Oh, he definitely saw the cop.
He was looking down the blockand he went right inside as soon
as he saw that squad car coming.
Oh, shout out to PoliceActivity.
All of our videos today camefrom Police Activity's YouTube
channel.
They are awesome.
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There's still no audio, y'all.

(01:39:24):
So he saw this dude duck inhere.
Okay, as I see this, I'mwatching that far hand because I
can see this front hand.
I have no idea what we came hereto make contact for.
Um but obviously we're doingthat.

(01:39:45):
You got anything to add, guys?

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:46):
No.
That audio's about to come on,it looks like.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (01:39:55):
Oh, both hands are out.
Okay, I see both hands.
Okay.
Two-minute buffer period.
That's the longest buffer periodI've ever seen.

SPEAKER_16 (01:40:14):
Whatever.

SPEAKER_11 (01:40:14):
Ours is 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_16 (01:40:16):
I didn't know you could have that setting with
axon.
Oh shit.
I thought it was 30 seconds or aminute, period.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:24):
This may have been a retrieval audio that something
wasn't activated correctly andit was in standby.

SPEAKER_16 (01:40:29):
Oh, good point.

SPEAKER_11 (01:40:35):
Oh shit.
Damn it.
I will say this dude's taking anabnormal amount of time to pick
a fucking snack over here.
Hey, he wants his little Debbie.
Come on, man.
Like him staying bent over likethis makes me very suspicious.
Like, this is weird.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:54):
He's unwrapping a smile.

SPEAKER_11 (01:40:57):
He is unwrapping a smile.
PC for arrest.
He was getting into my littleDebbie snacks.
This son of a bitch.
He's done.
Yep.
Plot twist.
He stopped here for his lunchbreak and he parked close.
Like the avoiding, looking overat the cop, all of this

(01:41:19):
behavior.
Like, this is odd.
That's a clue, even the FBI canfigure out.
Yeah, this is he's acting veryweird.
Like, bro, these snacks haven'tchanged.
There's only four different oneshere.
I think every store has thatexact rack.

(01:41:42):
I heard him say gun.
He's got a gun.
Okay.
Well, this is bad news.
Uh, I'm curious what this thereason to stop for.
Do you have okay, uh, MarineBlood said, Do you have a body
cam you want the boys to reactto?
Join the Discord and share it inthe body cam recommendation
channel.
Love it.

(01:42:03):
I'm waiting for Tim.
Tim hasn't had any good zingeruh Discord drops tonight.
What's going on, Tim?
Tim, you gotta step it up, myfriend.
Dude was taking the last dingdong.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Uh I I I really need to knowwhat the reason for contact was.

(01:42:23):
Why did why were we here?
Oh, now we're in a kid out.
God damn.

SPEAKER_19 (01:42:35):
Get back, get back, get back.

SPEAKER_11 (01:42:37):
Tactical retreat, forcing this guy into a funnel.
I actually agree with this.
I I don't mind that.
Uh the only question you gottaask yourself now is is there an
exit out the back?
That would be my did you leaveany other victims in the
building?
It well, we're in an activeshootout.
I'm not worried about othervictims.

SPEAKER_16 (01:42:56):
Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_11 (01:42:57):
You're right.
I'm worried about this dude.
So we'll get to the victimsafterwards.
Uh secure the scene and thenhelp out the victims.
So, all right, let's uh let'skeep going.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43:11):
Tuesday, BNF says green shots by off scene, so
just be sitting right there.

SPEAKER_11 (01:43:21):
Like his spidey sense is obviously gonna be a
little bit.
Oh, he just blind caring.
He didn't name the kid.

(01:43:42):
Oh, he's here.

SPEAKER_18 (01:44:22):
Black over black.
He's gonna be on the east, inthe east, I'll jump something
like that.

SPEAKER_09 (01:44:33):
Hey, you hey, sir, hey, I got one right here at the
red vehicle.
Hey, he's behind the red, he'sbehind the red car.
Hey, we see you! Hey, I see you!Put your hands up!

SPEAKER_11 (01:44:45):
He can't, he's probably bled out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:47):
Yeah, you knew who put out a suspect in the east
west valley.
Come on.

SPEAKER_09 (01:44:57):
Hands up! I'm getting stepped, I'm getting
stepped over.
Turn it away.
Hands on top of your hand! Handson top of your hand.
Stop! Stop, stop, turn around.
Okay, turn around, turn around.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:20):
Turn around.
He's not being just eight.
They weren't able to makeoffset, but it's a big one.
What do you want?
Seven.
South of three zero.

SPEAKER_08 (01:45:29):
2871.
I have a possible.

SPEAKER_11 (01:45:31):
Alright.
Come on, guys.
Like, this dude just got in ashootout.
He's bleeding.
And you jump on your radio andlet your partner handle putting
the cuffs on him with no assist,no nothing.
Like, let's let's be smarter.
It probably works for y'all.
It probably worked here, butlet's just let's just think a

(01:45:53):
little smarter.
Let's get this guy securedtogether.
Because he obviously has noproblem shooting at the cops.
So uh Marine Blood, are youangry at Tim for not posting
funny comments, encouraging youto join Discord?
File your complaint with Eric inthe Discord.
Love it.
All right, let's keep it.

SPEAKER_08 (01:46:15):
Seventh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:16):
I don't know which 30th.

SPEAKER_08 (01:46:20):
Any units on 8th Avenue?
Can you come to my location?
Better location.
7th Avenue.
7th Avenue.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:28):
Let's get it alright.

SPEAKER_08 (01:46:30):
Did you hear that key?
Can I get a marriage for a male?
Approximately 30 years of age,conscious and breathing.
Conscious and breathing.
Suffering from a GSW to the leftarm.

SPEAKER_11 (01:46:38):
No, I wasn't listening.
What?

SPEAKER_16 (01:46:39):
He said, Y'all shot me.

SPEAKER_11 (01:46:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he's already.
You're not just a random dudethat got shot by the police.
You're the guy we were lookingfor that got shot by the police.
Because they they had to know.
They probably saw the blood atthe back of the store, and then
when they followed him, theywere gonna follow the blood
trail.

SPEAKER_16 (01:46:57):
I think some one of them asked him if we were you
know if he was in just in ashootout with the police, and he
said, No, y'all shot me.

SPEAKER_11 (01:47:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (01:47:06):
He's working on his defense.
Yep.
Yeah.
But it just told us you're theright guy.

SPEAKER_18 (01:47:12):
Seventh Avenue.

SPEAKER_16 (01:47:14):
Seventh Avenue.

SPEAKER_18 (01:47:14):
Seventh Avenue.

SPEAKER_11 (01:47:19):
Tournique at him, not like that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:47:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (01:47:31):
I got him.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:33):
One of the transfer of traditionals.

SPEAKER_11 (01:47:35):
Alright.
I'm gonna tourniquet him.
I'm gonna pause.
I want to know why we madecontact, so I'm gonna read.
Los Angeles, California.
Um Southwest Division Uniformofficers were conducting extra
patrol in a liquor store locatedon the corner of 9th Avenue and

(01:47:55):
Los West Jefferson Boulevard.
While inside the locations,officers made contact with the
individual, later identified as33-year-old Malik Salah, who
appeared to be concealing afirearm on his person.
As the officers attempted todetain him, he removed the
firearm from his waistband,resulting in an officer-involved
shooting.
Salah fired multiple rounds atthe officers while inside the

(01:48:17):
store, and as he exited beforefleeing on foot.
Perimeter was established, theygot him.
Okay, so it doesn't really saywhy we just says they were on
extra patrol, so it didn't say areason for contact.

SPEAKER_16 (01:48:32):
He said that one part of that said he was doing
it because of he suspect hadsuspicions he had a gun on him.

SPEAKER_11 (01:48:43):
Well, at least they said uniformed officers were
conducting extra patrol in aliquor store located at this
corner.
So it doesn't say why they wentinto that liquor store
particularly, because they wentin to go talk to him
specifically.
You could see that.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So my question is what made themwant to go talk to him?
And the only thing that I canthink of is at the beginning of

(01:49:06):
this video, did they see what wesaw that looked like he was
holding something?
So I'm curious.

(01:49:27):
Oh, he's not, he's holding hishands together.
That's what that was.
So I would say from that, hedrew attention to himself right
there.
That's about it.
There's no way they knew thatthat dude had a gun from just
driving up the block.

(01:49:49):
So that's odd.
It's an odd, odd reason forcontact.
Um, other than him acting sus,they went in to go talk to him
and then he started acting evenmore sus.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:59):
So it's one of those ones you need to read the entire
narrative, see the full bodygame to get it.

SPEAKER_16 (01:50:06):
It makes you wonder if they knew him or something
from when they drove by andthey're like, oh, we know we you
know he's he's at the liquorstore, he's gonna be intoxicated
or want Marine Blood to get aTCOD membership?

SPEAKER_11 (01:50:20):
Come on, come on over to Discord and tell him how
to buy a membership like anormal person.
I think we woke Tim up.
I know he went out, unleashedthe beast there.
Uh let me get rid of that one.
Let's share this.

SPEAKER_16 (01:50:36):
I do like you know, we in the shootout the officers
didn't get sucked to thevehicle.
You know, that's a yeah, we tendto see that a lot in these
videos.
Uh, maybe they got a little furaway from it, but I'm I I think
they were in a better place thanbeing sucked to the vehicle.

SPEAKER_11 (01:50:53):
So yep, yep, yep.
Um Brandar said, uh, why isofficers moving farther back
from his cover and creating asmaller target to hit on his
iron sights?
That's not what he's doing.
He's getting farther back, andbanning you're our major
tactical guy.
But as far as I have beentaught, if you get sucked up to

(01:51:14):
cover, you w you limit yourwindow and your shooting lanes.
So you get back away from it,and then you have better angles
that they can't see you at.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:24):
I I don't I don't have a problem with him getting
out of the fatal funnel, boththe officers.
I I couldn't really see theiractions based on those those
camera angles, but they get outof that fatal funnel.
The guy was what I call sprayingand praying and and shooting
over that deal for them to takecover for him to be able to
advance.
He was already hit once.
The officers don't know thatyet.
They tactically, I again I hatethat word, it's used so much,

(01:51:47):
but they go back knowing thattheir car is going to be able to
create better cover.
And somebody had stated in therein reference to the distance.
You have to understand that thecamera angles on this are wide
camera angles.
So that car from behind thatcar, they should be back, I'd
say at least three to fivemeters behind that car so they
can advance out.
Whether they got an iron sightor a red dot sight, they should

(01:52:10):
be trained as such on theequipment that they have, and
that's not an issue for uh forthe distance that was dialed up.
So that the the the issue on uhthat being a pistol or a sidearm
for that distance, it should notbe it should be a no factor for
the officers and the way they'retrained.

SPEAKER_11 (01:52:26):
Um no, we don't round count.
That's that's that's a thing ofthe past.
They don't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_16 (01:52:34):
Um I wouldn't say, I mean, he he should have done a
tactical reload as soon as likebefore he worried about getting
on the radio, but you're in ashootout, you know, your
oodaloop's so jacked up, youknow.

SPEAKER_11 (01:52:46):
Yeah.
I'm not I'm not gonna get on himtoo bad for not reloading when
during that.
I mean he saw the guy runningoff, so um yeah.
I'm just not gonna I'm not gonnalean in him too hard for that.
Yes, he should have, but um hedidn't.

SPEAKER_16 (01:53:02):
He was shooting with red dot uh because that's when I
noticed it was when the gun uhwhen we saw the gun.
So yeah, it was locked, lockedback.
Um I mean, hey, he shot him inon the move inside that store,
you know, yeah.
That the good on him, like thatwas that's a jacked up situation

(01:53:22):
and a bad, bad man, a bad placeto be.

SPEAKER_11 (01:53:26):
Yeah.
Uh Twitchy Skits uh he said forfolks who may not know, if
you're using an iPhone, you haveto use a browser or a PC to buy
a channel membership.
You can't do it in app.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_16 (01:53:40):
So um Hey, let me share this uh real quickly.
Like if oh I guess I don't haveit ready.
I didn't have it ready.
Sorry, I'll get it ready.
One job around here.

SPEAKER_11 (01:53:54):
Let me share my screen.
Alright, let's move on to thenext video.
Biggie size and but again.
Have not seen this.

SPEAKER_13 (01:54:09):
I tell you what, you gotta drop the knife if I want
to talk to you, okay?

SPEAKER_11 (01:54:14):
Alright, we just got started and we're already making
contact with somebody with aknife.
Knife is a deadly weapon.
You pull your gun here, youdon't pull your taser.
So looks like we got uh Can youdrop the knife for us?
We got two officers here, so wegot one down the street.

(01:54:35):
Oh shit.
Can you guys see?

SPEAKER_16 (01:54:37):
Sorry, trying to get away.

SPEAKER_11 (01:54:38):
God damn it.
It won't go away.
Yeah, nobody cares about you andfucking Deadpool.
We're like way past that.
Okay, it's back.
Sorry, I don't know what thehell I did.
Jesus Christ.
One job fired.
Fucking fired.

SPEAKER_10 (01:54:53):
I can't even share.
Oh my god.
What the hell happened?
Okay.
Look, and now my shit's allbackwards.
Banning, what did you do?

SPEAKER_01 (01:55:07):
Oh my goodness it was me.

SPEAKER_10 (01:55:09):
Thank you, boss.
All right, now you're I'm gonnaquit touching things.
Anyway, you have nice things.

SPEAKER_11 (01:55:15):
So the part that I was trying to point out here, if
you can see my mouse, that lookslike another officer right
there.
And judging by a person with noshirt, um, that's typically who
we respond to when they've got aknife.
I don't know why that is.
I'm gonna guess shirtless manhere is the guy with the knife.
So we've got a good littleperimeter set up on him.

(01:55:37):
Now the idea is to keep himbetween those cars the best we
can uh without creating acrossfire on ourselves.
So that's what I'm concernedabout, Banning.
How about you?
100% because if this guy chargesme or he charges the other guy,
now I can't fire.
And look at our backdrop.
That's bad.

(01:55:59):
Habitation the only direction wecan really shoot if we need to
is towards this dude right now.
If he runs right down the middleof us, we're screwed.
So this is a shit.

SPEAKER_14 (01:56:14):
What's your name?
Hey, stay back.

SPEAKER_11 (01:56:19):
Yeah, stay back.
I don't like that.
But shit.
Hey, buddy, how are you?
God dang it.
No, I'm screwing up.
But what I was about to pointout is there's apartments all
around.

SPEAKER_14 (01:56:32):
Can you drop the knife for me?

SPEAKER_11 (01:56:33):
Another officer pulled up.

SPEAKER_14 (01:56:34):
What's your name?
Hey, stay back.

SPEAKER_11 (01:56:39):
So now I don't have a problem with going to Taser
because he's got two otherofficers that have deadly force
cover.
So I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_14 (01:56:48):
Stay back! Correct, come on out here.
Stay back.
I'm not shooting you.
Drop the knife for me.

SPEAKER_11 (01:57:02):
And there's the key term that we need to hear as
cops.
Now we know that this is asuicide by cop issue.
He said shoot me.

SPEAKER_14 (01:57:12):
So drop the knife.
Drop the knife.

SPEAKER_10 (01:57:26):
Oh shit, he's chasing you.

SPEAKER_15 (01:57:31):
Freaking turbulent.

SPEAKER_10 (01:57:32):
What the fuck just happened?
That dude said, fuck the taser,I'm gonna whoop your ass.

SPEAKER_11 (01:57:38):
Holy shit.
Oh my god.
I don't even know what to say onthat.
I did not expect that dude to beright behind him.

SPEAKER_16 (01:57:49):
And that's uh good key to why that 30-foot rule is
not always applicable.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:55):
But pay attention to this right here.
He's he's got his his sidearm inhis hand, right?
And at one point when he turnsaround and runs, did I not see a
taser in his hand?

SPEAKER_11 (01:58:04):
No, no, no.
He he changes.
He goes to taser when that otherofficer pulls up next to him.

SPEAKER_16 (01:58:10):
So grew the taser and then went to his sidearm.

SPEAKER_11 (01:58:14):
Oh, you mean on the run?

SPEAKER_16 (01:58:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (01:58:17):
I'm not sure.
He may have tried.
He may have tried.
Um let's see what happens onthis part of it.

SPEAKER_18 (01:58:25):
Hey, I got an ones here.

SPEAKER_16 (01:58:27):
I got an on.

SPEAKER_11 (01:58:41):
Oh, he's naked.

SPEAKER_16 (01:58:56):
Oh, he still had his taste.
This one's still at his taserout.

SPEAKER_11 (01:59:05):
Holy shit.
That's a shit show, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:12):
Another angle.

SPEAKER_11 (01:59:15):
Yeah.
So this will probably be the farat the guy down the street,
maybe?

(01:59:52):
Okay, so these yeah, this is theopposite angle.
There's a naked guy.
So, banning, right now he's gotdeadly force.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (02:00:04):
This guy comes up and calls out that he's gonna go
non-lethal, but yet this guygoes non-lethal.
So they're both non-lethal.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:14):
The one on the right that you just pointed to goes
lethal at one point, but you cantell on his body camera footage
when he turns, and I hate to usethe word retreat, maybe gets
another location, he's got thattaser in his hand.
So I'm not sure what you see himswitch communication.

SPEAKER_11 (02:00:30):
No, you see, yeah, you see him switch to taser very
early.
Because that's why right nowhe's got the gun in his hand.
Yeah, right now he's got thegun.
This guy pulls up, and as soonas he starts to get out of the
car, he switches over to taser.
But when we watched his bodycam, he calls out, hey, I'm
gonna go non-lethal.

(02:00:50):
So he gets his taser.
Now they're both tasered up, andhe's the one.
This guy with my mouse is over,he fires the taser first.
I'm not even sure that this guyfires his taser off until the
chase is under, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (02:01:04):
Yeah, so there's one comment here.
Uh, the taser is a magic listlethal tool that we think it is.
Beanbag or pepperball is better.
So I they're not using the mostrecent taser in uh invention.
Yeah, it looks like it lookedlike seven to me as well.
And so, guys, to you get oneshot, then you have to reload it

(02:01:27):
with a whole new cartridge.
That didn't give you any time toreload.
And the new Taser 10, you get10, you know, you get you have
to have the best two of tenshots.

SPEAKER_11 (02:01:38):
So yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (02:01:40):
So let's see.

SPEAKER_11 (02:01:44):
Her angle.
I think that's a female.

unknown (02:01:47):
What's your name?

SPEAKER_11 (02:01:51):
I didn't hear that earlier.
He said, What's your name?
He goes, My name's fuck you, youlittle bitch.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:02):
What we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_11 (02:02:03):
Okay, just say that she's got tasers too.
So she tries to taser, itdoesn't work.

(02:02:36):
All right, I'm gonna go back.

SPEAKER_14 (02:02:40):

SPEAKER_11 (02:02:42):
So what's your name?
Partner's got his gun out.
See, he gets his taser out here.
I'm pretty sure he had his gunout prior to that.

SPEAKER_13 (02:02:54):
I tell you what, you gotta drop the knife if I want
to talk to you, okay?

SPEAKER_11 (02:03:02):
So he pulls up.

SPEAKER_14 (02:03:04):
What's your name?
Hey, stay back.
Stay back.

SPEAKER_11 (02:03:13):
So they both got their tasers out.

SPEAKER_14 (02:03:15):
Come on out of here.
Stay back.
I'm not shooting you.
Drop the knife for me.
Drop the knife.
Drop the knife.

SPEAKER_11 (02:03:40):
That was that was that was pretty bad.
I mean, that was a good tacticalretreat.
He gave himself the time heneeded to get his gun out.
That's not easy to do, andthat's hard to think on the fly
like that.

SPEAKER_16 (02:03:53):
So and he'd have been great if that curb wouldn't
have come around.

SPEAKER_11 (02:03:57):
So yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (02:03:57):
And I've been there.
So I thought he got shot atfirst.

SPEAKER_11 (02:04:01):
I thought that was what happened.
I thought he got hit by theother dude, the other officer.
I thought the other officer likewas firing.
Couldn't tell.

SPEAKER_16 (02:04:09):
So I think he was backpedaling and got caught up
in the transition.

SPEAKER_10 (02:04:15):
Yep.
Sucks, man.

SPEAKER_16 (02:04:17):
So I think I'm wondering if you know, you've
talked a lot about in the pastabout working as a team and
being, you know, with the groupand things like that.
When they started talking aboutgoing to less lethal, it seemed
like everybody went less lethal.
Instead of I'm going lesslethal, you know, you guys stay
deadly force.

SPEAKER_11 (02:04:35):
Yeah.
Yep.
Um, all right.
That is that is all that I havegot for pulled up.
We're at two hours as it is.
Um kind of late.
But uh yeah, if anybody's gotany little final questions or
anything, I don't have anythingelse.
Anything you guys want to getout there?

unknown (02:04:57):
No.

SPEAKER_16 (02:04:58):
Okay, now I'll share it.
So big shout out to one of mypast students.
Um, he was dressed up for theparade.

SPEAKER_11 (02:05:06):
And so we we've already seen it now, Alan.
You forced us.

SPEAKER_16 (02:05:11):
I I had to like he even let me play with his uh 50
cal guns there.
It was awesome.

SPEAKER_11 (02:05:17):
You played with his little Deadpool?

SPEAKER_16 (02:05:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Little what what are they is itthe little unicorn?

SPEAKER_11 (02:05:24):
Oh yeah.
That's awesome.
That's funny.

SPEAKER_16 (02:05:29):
I know I can't make it go away.

SPEAKER_11 (02:05:31):
I'm done talking.
My name is Go Fuck Yourself.
Just shoot me.
It's quite obvious that this wasa pretty serious mental health
situation, even from thestatement he made.
Yeah, absolutely.
And every officer there went toTaser, every single one of them
went to Taser.
So you can't talk everybodydown.

(02:05:54):
Some people already got theirminds made up.
That dude being naked and notwilling to even co conversate
with any of them was he wasready to go, man.

SPEAKER_16 (02:06:06):
Okay, I don't know why it does this.
It's so weird.

SPEAKER_11 (02:06:12):
You know what's weird, Alan?
Did you keep fucking with myscreen?

SPEAKER_16 (02:06:16):
I I fixed it.
I'm sorry.
I learned I learned how to do itfinally.

SPEAKER_11 (02:06:21):
Marine Bloods.
Are you enjoying the show?
Support the show here.
Support the boys here.
My bad.
Buy me a coffee.
I like it.
Thanks, buddy.
Um, Eric, the Chicago shootingthis weekend.
Chicago shooting?
I don't know if I know aboutthat one.

SPEAKER_16 (02:06:37):
Yeah, the uh the um agents shot uh a lady tried to
run them over with a car, and uhoh really yeah, it's it's been
oh was it like an ice thing?
It was uh two subjects tried torun the agents over with cars,
and so gotcha been pretty soanytime you run at the police

(02:07:01):
with a car, um it doesn't matterif you're federal police or
state police or city police, uhthat's deadly force, and you're
gonna be met with deadly force,but we don't have to get into
the politics side of it.

SPEAKER_11 (02:07:15):
Wait, do underhooks work if they're naked?
I bet they do.
I bet they still work.
They're grosser, but they work.
It's funny because I don't letmy kids hug me without earning
the underhooks.
I always get underhooks on mykids.
And my kids are why won't youhug me?
I was like, I'll hug you, youjust don't get to have your arms
underneath mine.
And they're like, why?

(02:07:36):
And I'm like, because you gettaken down like this, and then
I'll I'll show them.
And so now it's like always alike an underhook battle.
I'm like, what's the rule whenwe hug our boyfriends?
And they're like, Don't givethem the underhooks.
I was like, exactly, always beready.

SPEAKER_10 (02:07:51):
Uh I win.

SPEAKER_11 (02:07:52):
Yeah.
Look at that fancy chair banningguy.
That looks new.
I I bet that's why he just left.
That's he's trying to show offthat's a new chair.
I don't recognize that.
Do you?

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:04):
I I don't either.
Like it looks like that.

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:06):
I feel like that's a new chair.
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:10):
Did do you think he got that from his casino trip?

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:14):
Maybe.
Maybe he won that.

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:16):
You know.

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:18):
Uh Centurion said Chicago PD left ice hanging.
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:23):
Yeah, the patrol uh I think they call him patrol
superintendent up there,actually told officers to stand
by a block away.

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:33):
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:35):
On radio.

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:36):
Wow.
Ballsy.

SPEAKER_16 (02:08:39):
Yeah, it's it's become a whole thing.
Mayor made big comments thismorning, and yeah, it's gonna be
just gonna get worse before itgets better.

SPEAKER_11 (02:08:48):
Yeah.
Um, Tim, it's not Tim asks,that's a thing I want to ask
you, Eric.
You want us to keep ice stuff toa minimum in Discord or on
lives.
Um, it's not that I don't mindit, I just don't know enough
about it.
I'm not a federal cop, I don'tdo any of that stuff.
I don't really have any friendsthat are in the space.
So it would just be me talkingout of my ass.

(02:09:10):
And I'm not real comfortabletalking about that.
So I if you have questions, askthem.
I'm not telling you to avoidquestions on it.
I just I I would be talking outof my ass.
I don't have anything that I cansay.
I don't understand their rules,I don't know how they're guided,
I don't know what they'reallowed to do, what they're not
allowed to do.
I know they have more authoritythan me because they're federal.

(02:09:32):
So that's about it.

SPEAKER_16 (02:09:34):
Well, and there's so much misdirection or miscoming
right out the gate.

SPEAKER_11 (02:09:39):
You showed up late, bitch.
You can't come in yelling a cab.
You don't get to show up latesaying a cab.
You should have been here at thebeginning saying it.
So funny.
You know what's funny is Matthas an A cab tattoo.

unknown (02:09:55):
Matt.

SPEAKER_11 (02:09:57):
That's awesome.
It's so funny.
I love that about him.
Cracks me up.
Uh what did he say?
Uh did Eric ever figure outTexas Statute 3802?
Did you?
You know what the thing is, is Idon't need to figure it out.
The courts need to figure itout.
That's that's the that's wherethe discourse comes in, Mike.

(02:10:18):
Is it's not it's not up to me tofigure it out.
It's up for the courts.
I I can do what I'm told withit, and he's laughing.
Come in, come in late saying ACav, you son of a bitch.
How dare you?
Um Yeah, it's so and they let iton the press release.
Uh we said not we never said notto go.

(02:10:41):
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (02:10:42):
Yeah, but they played the the radio live, so
the so they can't hide.

SPEAKER_11 (02:10:46):
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (02:10:47):
Yeah, so they put the dispatcher out there and
what she said to thesuperintendent.
I I think they call it a patrolsuperintendent.
Okay.
So he's over all of patrol, andhe said, Give me a few minutes,
don't let them tell allresponding officers to stay back
and uh at least a block away.

SPEAKER_11 (02:11:09):
Brandar said Chicago is watching and Chicago watching
itself burn telling America.
This is fine.
Yeah, yeah.
I listen, listen, Linda, listen.
Um on all of that shit, uh Ijust don't know.

(02:11:30):
I don't understand how you cancome out.
I I don't watch the news.
Let's put it that way.
I don't watch the news.
Right, I don't I don't keep upwith politics, I don't watch the
news.
That's why I don't discuss it onhere.
Here, okay, I I want to helpsolve some people's.
I I had this conversation withmy cousin not too long ago.
I see enough bad stuff as a cop.

(02:11:52):
I see even more bad stuff nowworking in a real-time crime
center because I have access tosee what every cop in the field
is seeing.
So I want you guys to keep thatin your mind.
That all this bad crap that wesee as police, I don't need to
exacerbate that by watching thenews because the news does not

(02:12:15):
show cool shit either.
They just show the worst of theworld.

SPEAKER_16 (02:12:19):
And they twist, like it's not, it's not like we're
watching it here where we getthe whole background and despite
the narratives or anything likethat.

SPEAKER_11 (02:12:28):
Right, right, right.
I want to keep ingesting morenegative.
I have to do it on my job.
I am not going to willinglybring in more unless I can do
something like what we do here.

unknown (02:12:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_11 (02:12:40):
We're not watching good stuff on here either.
So part of my argument's goingagainst itself.
But at least we're taking thetime to talk and educate.
I'm getting something good outof this.
Y'all are, I hope, are gettingsomething good out of this.
Um, how do you not know manyfederal agency or department
collaborates?

SPEAKER_16 (02:12:57):
There's a difference.

SPEAKER_11 (02:12:59):
There's part of the department that collaborates
with them.
It's not my part.
Where I'm at, there's 2,000fucking cops.
I don't even know all the cops Iwork with.
I know a quarter of them.
I we had this joke the otherday.
I went out to the streets nottoo long ago, saw like 18
officers.
I didn't recognize any of them.
I was like, who the fuck are allthese kids?

(02:13:20):
I don't know any of these guys.
So you can't even wander overthere and be like, hey, what's
going on, guys?
Like, I don't know any of them.
So no, I I don't uh want to pickEric's mind.
Head over to Discord and askabout stuff he knows more than
police or Star Wars.
You damn right, buddy.

SPEAKER_16 (02:13:37):
Yeah.
Oh, I mean, so the the one thingI would say about the the Fed
like so I have a few friendsthat are a part of a federal
task force, and it's made up ofseveral different agencies, and
you kind of know your area andknow what's going on.
It's not like we deal with uhyou know immigration and all

(02:13:59):
that kind of stuff day in, dayout.
And so you specialize in whatyou know, and and so there's a
lot that we don't know, and wewe don't want to be, you know,
we we don't want to be inundatedwith stuff we don't know about,
and so yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (02:14:14):
Um Magdump said yes, it's confirmed that the chief of
the Chicago PD that called themoff, he states the governor told
him to.
Holy shit! Wow, I did not knowany of that.

SPEAKER_16 (02:14:26):
Yeah, and it was a bat, like it was I'm I can't
wait until we get the bodycamera on it because like it's
it's tough.
Yeah, she directly runs the carat him.

SPEAKER_11 (02:14:38):
So Mike, I'd give you a hug, buddy.
I'm a hugger.
I like to hug.
Benning gives really good hugs,by the way.
It's just so full, it's just afull hug.

SPEAKER_16 (02:14:48):
But um it's like you're being wrapped in a
blanket.

SPEAKER_11 (02:14:52):
Yeah, it is, it's great, it's warm, it's got
strength behind it.
You know, if you didn't have adad growing up, it makes you
feel like you had your dad thewhole time.
I just it's okay.
It's okay.
Right.
Oh, my dad's watching, right?

SPEAKER_16 (02:15:08):
You forgot to say big boy in there, man.

SPEAKER_11 (02:15:10):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.
Uh Eric, do you have the rareBoba Fett action figure?
I don't.
I know which one you're talkingabout, the one with the rocket.
That's worth a lot of money, andI don't have it.
I have a fake one, yes, but notthe rare one.
I know which one you're talkingabout.
Oh shit.
That's funny.

(02:15:31):
Uh eye of the night said, I workin the semiconductor industry.
That's like telling me, how doyou not know any Intel people?
Your company does business withthem every day.
Well, I don't work at Intel, andwe don't, and we have many
employees.
Yeah.
Yeah, it it is it's it is hardfor people to wrap their head

(02:15:52):
around uh hug and tug.
Hey, what Mike, if you're down,I'm willing.
Um but uh if I got banningblushing.
Oh crossing the line.
Um yeah, and back to whatHarrison's asking, and I know it

(02:16:15):
does seem kind of surprisingthat we wouldn't know him, but
you truly don't.
I know that we have HomelandSecurity, we have um DEA, FBI,
some other some other people, uhHomeland.
Um we've got all these people inmy building, even, and I don't I

(02:16:37):
don't know them.
Uh I maybe know one or twopeople there, but plus I work
nights.
I've worked nights the majorityof my life.
So all a lot of these positionsare daytime positions, so I just
don't run into them anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16:50):
Bankers hours.
Yep.

SPEAKER_11 (02:16:53):
Um Twitchy skit said, I have a kid named Anakin.
Does that count?
Oh, does he hate sand?
Oh just asking.
The uh Wade went into old manmode and he's typing everything
in all caps.
Uh my grandpa used to do that.

(02:17:15):
The Antifa girl that rammed icevehicles is one of the main
influencers on social media.
Oh no shit.
Yeah, it's it's an influencerthat did it?
Yeah, yeah.
Damn.
I mean, it's kind of a smartmove.
Your shit's gonna blow up afterthat, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 (02:17:29):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_11 (02:17:32):
He got to.
He paid money, man.

SPEAKER_15 (02:17:35):
Okay, so Banning, tell us about the trip this last
weekend.

SPEAKER_11 (02:17:40):
You just solicited, sir.
I'm gonna use Oscar discretion.
We're not gonna go, we're notgonna go.

SPEAKER_15 (02:17:49):
With that name, Mike the Cucumber.

SPEAKER_11 (02:17:51):
I know.
You added see, you're doing thetypical cop move there, Alan.
You added stuff to it.
It says Mike Cucumber, not Mikethe Cucumber.
Oh, Brandon know how to read.
Uh I like that.
I like where this is going.
Brandar said, I work in IT, andit's like asking me why I don't
know someone in the airdepartment on the aircraft

(02:18:13):
carrier.
PSA, 5,000 plus sailors on acarrier underway.
That's so many people, dude.
That is so many people.
Oh.

SPEAKER_16 (02:18:26):
How did you forget these people there?

SPEAKER_11 (02:18:29):
You forgot the U.S.
Marshals.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the Marshals, too.
Yeah.
I did forget them.
See, I just I don't work aroundthem.
What do you want me to tell you?
Was it Greta ThumbergThumberger?
I don't think that's her name.
Uh was it Greta Thumberger orwhatever name is?

unknown (02:18:49):
Stupid.

SPEAKER_11 (02:18:50):
Oh shit.
Uh, I do want to thank everybodyfor the contributions tonight.
Mike, thank you for doing that.
Um, we've been uh we've beentrying to make this better for
y'all, and I think we're gettingthere slowly but surely.
I mean, look at the look at howclear Alan's background's
looking these days.
Oh, can you by the way, Benning,is that a new chair?

SPEAKER_01 (02:19:12):
No, it's the same one.

SPEAKER_11 (02:19:14):
Is it?
Yeah.
Me and Alan were talking.
We didn't recognize it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:19:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 (02:19:18):
Oh, look at that.
It's the is that a is that a TVin the background?

SPEAKER_16 (02:19:23):
No, it's Sasquatch with the raccoon covering his uh
private.
Oh, no.
No, what I was is it a picture?
It is.
It's a picture that the the Igotta work on the lights.
It's supposed to have lightsbehind it that make it
displayable.

SPEAKER_11 (02:19:38):
Gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_16 (02:19:39):
One step at a time, sir.
One step at a time.

SPEAKER_11 (02:19:41):
Wade Lucero for a hug, and you know what?
Check out Discord.
Uh-oh, somebody busted out somemore memberships.
Harrison.
Harrison's like, you know what?
He's like, I'm tired of layingback in the shadows.
He ain't gonna let anybodyoutshine him.
But I tell you what, look whogot one.
Somebody that's been talking allnight.
Twitchy skitch.

(02:20:01):
Love it.

SPEAKER_16 (02:20:02):
I noticed uh somebody Zelda got one.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's a cool name.

SPEAKER_11 (02:20:08):
One of my favorite games.

SPEAKER_16 (02:20:09):
Pickle Nacho.

SPEAKER_11 (02:20:12):
There is a pickle nacho.
That sounds delicious.
I'm like some pickles.
Uh thank you.
Uh thank you for the 10 giftedsubs, Harrison.
You know who didn't get one?
Marine Blood.
Got a drink.
If you guys are new to thatgame, every time Marine Blood
doesn't get a membership on thegifts, you gotta have a sip.

(02:20:36):
Look at Ann Harrison, you gotsomebody that's thankful for it,
brother.
That's awesome.
See, I love it.
I love this.

SPEAKER_01 (02:20:45):
And I know there's a lot of people that like to just
sit back and watch, and that'sfine too.
Just sit back, take it in, butall on too.
Yeah, don't be afraid to throwsome some questions up there.
We don't mind at all.

SPEAKER_11 (02:20:57):
Yep, yep, not at all, guys.
Uh my mom.
I have a granddaughter namedZelda.
Great game.
Freeman Keys in the back.
Freeman hits me up on the emailsystem.
I talk to Freeman probably morein email than I do anything.
Um, so yeah, don't be afraid toemail me either, guys.
I I do respond to that.

(02:21:18):
I would prefer the Discordchannel.
It is the most convenientbecause you can direct message
me on there.
Um, so that will that willdefinitely help y'all.
You can direct message Banny,you direct message Alan, I
think, on there too.

SPEAKER_01 (02:21:32):
So and I haven't been on there all weekend.
So if there was a if there was avideo on there, I have not seen
it yet, but I will see ittomorrow.

SPEAKER_11 (02:21:40):
Cool, cool.
Um do you offer consultingservices?
Yeah, I do all the time,actually.
Just depends on what you needconsulting in.
If it's for tugs, I can'tconsult.
But yeah, I would I would loveto help consult stuff.
Um, I promise I have giftingsubs enabled.

(02:22:01):
I don't believe him.
I do not believe him.
Uh oh.

SPEAKER_16 (02:22:04):
Shit, it went to the wrong one.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_11 (02:22:07):
Craig Stephen dropped a 10.
Thank you, Craig.
Thank you very much.
He's just trying to make usdrink because you know Marine
Blood isn't gonna get one.
Uh look at this name.
I know this name for somereason.
John Nunnery, he got one.
Did he talk tonight?
Maybe maybe earlier.

SPEAKER_16 (02:22:27):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_11 (02:22:28):
I like White Boy Hatcher.
That's another one.
Are you taking over my computer?

SPEAKER_16 (02:22:34):
I am not touching anything.

SPEAKER_11 (02:22:35):
Okay, well, it's acting glitchy when you start
doing shit.
Thank you very much, Craig.
Appreciate it, brother.
Uh and you consult in rubs.
You know what?
I can consult in those.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can I can consult thosefor sure.
Y'all are stupid than I love it.

(02:22:58):
I haven't seen Banning's faceget this red this often.
You guys are really getting him.
So it's it's delighting.

SPEAKER_01 (02:23:03):
It's delighting.

SPEAKER_11 (02:23:06):
Craig said, You talk to me all the time on Instagram.
You just don't well, that'strue.
If you guys change your names onthere, yeah, then I don't know.
Um, Instagram is probably mymost overloaded.
So if I don't respond to y'allon Instagram, I'm sorry.
That is just I get a hundredplus a day on Instagram.

(02:23:27):
It's hard.

SPEAKER_01 (02:23:29):
Go on Discord, go on LinkedIn.

SPEAKER_11 (02:23:31):
Yeah, yeah.
You go on those.
Um I I don't know if you need tobe a member to direct message
us.
I'd have to check with uh MarineBlood on that.
But yeah, I'm telling you, it'sLadner.
Oh, I love that everybody stillmentions him and he hasn't been
on here in forever.

(02:23:52):
I heard he does blow up uheither Long Island stuff or he
blows up Matt Thornton stuffquite a bit.
Um Matt tried to get on tonight,guys, by the way.
He just he he couldn't make it.
So I thought we were gonna gethim for a second.
Just poor timing right now.
He's usually got some stuffgoing on on Monday nights, and I

(02:24:12):
can't switch.

SPEAKER_16 (02:24:14):
He did a security gig uh this weekend just like I
did.
So he was all in uniform andeverything.
He was looking all professionallike now.

SPEAKER_11 (02:24:23):
Nice.
We may have to switch to Sundaynights because there's rumors
that I might get switched to5.8.
If I get switched to 5.8s, I'mgonna have to start doing this
on a Sunday.
Sunday night or a Saturdaynight.
I don't think we'd get nearly asmany people on a Saturday night.
Brandar, rubs, but not tugs.

(02:24:44):
I need a 50% discount on thisconsultation.
Oh Eric, can't wait tillNovember.
Shh.
I don't even know what's goingon in November.
I'm not sure.
Oh, Brandon.
Brandar's jumping on board.
You know what it hasn't done ina while?

(02:25:05):
It hasn't blocked anybody tryingto give memberships.
That's a good sign.

SPEAKER_01 (02:25:10):
Very good sign.

SPEAKER_11 (02:25:16):
And he said he sees them on Izzo's stuff.
I gotta get Izzo back on here.
I haven't uh messaged.
Yeah, I'll get Izzo back on.
He likes coming on here.
Um Maureen said, Eric, prettymuch everyone can DM you.
Only YouTube members can use thehost channels.
Ah, okay.
Cool.

(02:25:36):
So yeah, if you want to uh usethe host channels on our
Discord, then you'll have to bea member.
We've got us from down underJude Ramsey says, Hi from
Australia.
How you doing, Jude?
That's awesome.
That's very cool.
I love when we get people.

SPEAKER_01 (02:25:54):
We want to talk about some some different laws.
I mean, they absolutely havedifferent laws in Australia.

SPEAKER_11 (02:25:59):
Yeah, because everything in Australia can kill
you.
Oh.
Everything in Australia isdesigned to murder you.
They've got the worst spiders,the worst scorpions, the worst
snakes.

SPEAKER_16 (02:26:12):
And the toilet bowl, the toilet water runs backwards.

SPEAKER_11 (02:26:15):
Yeah, it goes the opposite way from us.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh Wade said, I just watchedIzzo before this.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, Izzo's Izzo's a good dude.
Um, I love I love I love talkingto Izzo.
Um Izzo and I, we we talkedoffline for quite a while before
we ever did anything together.

(02:26:36):
Um he had reached out to me onsomething and was like, really
like your video on this.
I it was me calling out some copfor a First Amendment auditor
thing.
And ever since then, we've hitit off.
Um but yeah, I really I reallylike his own.
You know, he's got that thatblessing of not being restricted

(02:26:56):
by anything.
He can say whatever he wants.
I I can't.

SPEAKER_16 (02:27:01):
Um yeah, you definitely have to make the
comment.
Um, you your opening runner whenhe's on?

SPEAKER_11 (02:27:09):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I always tell people I'mlike, hey, what Izzo says is is
his for him and him only.
I'm not, it doesn't mean Iagree.
Uh but um somebody saidkangaroos are in better shape
than some all kangaroos are inbetter shape than any cop.
They're you ever seen they'rejacked.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27:31):
They look straight up like they're doing test
decades.
Kangaroos are oh, just jackedout of their mind.
Love it.

SPEAKER_16 (02:27:40):
I'm gonna, you know, there's some of those countries
that where they have like theMMA against the kangaroos and
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27:48):
It's probably like cock fighting here, it's
probably not exactly illegal.

SPEAKER_16 (02:27:51):
Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_11 (02:27:52):
Yeah, like check this out.
I'm gonna share kick attacks.
Look at these guys just yokedout of his mind.
He's like, Well, which way tothe gym, bro?
Look at look at look at thisone.

(02:28:12):
That's not real.

SPEAKER_15 (02:28:13):
Yeah, he might be bigger than his though, right
there, dude.

SPEAKER_11 (02:28:17):
Like, look at these things.
There's look your boy's about topose.
Yeah, look, he's like, cansomebody point me to the weight
room?

SPEAKER_01 (02:28:26):
I guarantee you that camera guy is still in the
hospital from getting kicked inthe friggin' face.

SPEAKER_11 (02:28:30):
Right.
Remember the dude that went andrescued his dog and throws a
right hook again the snout ofone of them kangaroos?

SPEAKER_01 (02:28:37):
Like, look at he's not doing anything.
Just I'm I'm gonna bring acouple of those back for
bouncers at the bar.
That'd be nice.

SPEAKER_11 (02:28:46):
Crazy how freaking jacked they are, dude.
Look at this rure the poses,crack me up.

SPEAKER_15 (02:28:56):
Ruroids oh uh all right, all right, Maroon Brad.
We need a comment for Discord.

SPEAKER_11 (02:29:09):
That's so funny.
Hey ladies, I don't always drinkdosekis.
Oh man.

SPEAKER_15 (02:29:20):
But when I do, I do it at the end.

SPEAKER_11 (02:29:22):
So this one's great.
Look at the biceps on that,dude.
Crazy.
Yeah.
All from Jude.
Thanks, Jude.
You got us on the got us on thetopic of kangaroos.
It has nothing to do with policework.

SPEAKER_01 (02:29:38):
She's like, you stereotypical sons of bitches.
Yeah, I know, right?
She probably lives in a in afully developed city down there,
and maybe have never even had todeal with that.
And then we're here, we arestereotyping the entire uh
continent, man.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_11 (02:29:52):
Sorry, Jude.
We didn't mean to we didn't meanto do that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:29:55):
Well, we said it with respect, nothing but
respect.

SPEAKER_11 (02:29:58):
Yeah, but they Are tasty.
I've had kangaroo.
I had a kangaroo taco.

SPEAKER_01 (02:30:06):
That's probably not digested very well either down
there.

SPEAKER_11 (02:30:10):
No, I think they I think I think they hunt them.

SPEAKER_01 (02:30:13):
Eye of the night.
That's funny.

SPEAKER_11 (02:30:14):
Yeah, I had one.
Um what is what's going on inthe comments?
Do you have jacked pictures ofkangaroos?
Share them in Discord.
Oh lord, we're gonna have I'mgonna wake up to a million
freaking kangaroo pictures.
Probably superimposed,inappropriate.
Oh, what did cucumbers say?

(02:30:36):
Oh, you want to see Banningbattle a kangaroo, join the
Discord.
Yeah, I would love to see thatone.
I'm gonna get a uh uh AI picturethat shows Banning riding in the
pouch of a jacked kangaroo.

SPEAKER_15 (02:30:51):
Okay, you guys have three minutes.
We're gonna keep talking forthree minutes and we want to see
Eric.

SPEAKER_11 (02:30:57):
If one co-occupant says yes to a warrantless search
and the other says no, you haveto get a warrant.
Yeah.
Yeah, you can't uh a co-occupantthing, yeah.
Now, the caveat is if you onlyhave one party there and you
don't have the other party andone says you can go in, then you
can go in.
But if the other party is thereand withdraws that consent, it's

(02:31:21):
done.

SPEAKER_01 (02:31:21):
So we're talking about a habitat or a residence,
correct?

SPEAKER_11 (02:31:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:31:25):
Okay, so if you have that, but then you have to
understand as an officer, if youcome up on a locked door and
that is a bedroom, and that thatco-occupant is not there, just
because the other one gives youthe right, no, now you're
looking at drawn paper, writinga warrant, and going in.
That's expectation of privacy,period.

SPEAKER_11 (02:31:44):
Yeah, that, yeah, for a pride that okay.
In my brain, I was just workingoff of like a large, like a
house.
Like, yeah, you can go in, butyeah, a specific room, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:31:53):
Yeah, grand scheme, yes.
But if you come up on a locked,it's it's gotta be when we go in
and we write write a warrant.
I I prefer to get a warrant onthat when you have the the
co-occupant situation just to becovered on all bases.

SPEAKER_11 (02:32:06):
Yeah, Eric Banning versus Royd Rue, Alan holding
the camera, only in our Discord.
$59.99 pay-per-view.
Oh, that would be falseadvertising.
Advertisement that is not true.
Uh that would not be happening.
So um he said, correct mysheriff's department.
Just made that mistake.

(02:32:27):
Evidence was thrown out.
Yeah, yeah, I would I wouldagree with that.

SPEAKER_16 (02:32:31):
Um what if you okay?
Uh and I know I just said whatif, but that door, same you said
banning locked, but what if thedoor is just closed?
You open it and realize it'ssomebody else's room.

SPEAKER_01 (02:32:43):
What moment you really you've got to be a lot
better at your interviews.
If this is a knock and talk,what's your RAS?
What's your PC coming up?
And and I know I'm preaching thechoir when I talk to you two,
but for the people that are thatare talking, if we're out there
trying to go there on a dopecomplaint or something like
that, we have to establisheverything before we go through
that question.
We can't say, oh, Mrs.
Smith, you live here, would youmind for us searching your

(02:33:05):
house?
She's like, Yeah.
But her and Mr.
Smith are estranged and he'smoved into a different bedroom.
The laws change.
And if law enforcement is notdoing their job at the door uh
to figure all that out, uh,they're gonna be okay in some
situations, but on the majorityof them, if you have a good
judge or a good defense attorneyon this, they're gonna tear that

(02:33:26):
up.
And you've just got to do itright.
And so if you've got probablecause to search for one, stop
your scene, freeze your scene,go get a friggin' warrant, so
you have a blanket effect tocover your ass as a patrol
officer or a detective orwhatever you are, but just do it
the right way.
If you know what you're friggin'doing, you can go stroke up that
warrant.
You don't have to wake adetective up and go get it done.

SPEAKER_15 (02:33:47):
I like that.
I like uh that's that's prettybadass, Eric.
I'd like to say like I don'tknow how you did that halo look,
but I know I didn't do itintentionally, but yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (02:33:59):
Um, but you gotta figure out how to repeat that.
No, Banning, I agree.
Uh, the reason why I asked thatquestion is that just recently
came up and there was anargument.
Um, when they walked in, theyrealized it belonged to somebody
else.
And at that moment, I would sayclose the door, nobody else can
go in.

SPEAKER_01 (02:34:15):
You can absolutely seize the scene.
Even if you open that door andhave that discovery, this is a
separate habitation.
But during that opening ofdiscovery, if you see something
that gives you probable cause,you can write a warrant on on
such item.
I mean, there's enough there'senough uh uh case law out there
to back you on that, but do itthe right way.
Never take a shortcut in it.

(02:34:36):
It's their friggin' rights.
We're here to protect thoserights, period.

SPEAKER_11 (02:34:39):
Yep, yep, agreed.
Um, sorry, I'm just uh checkingout our Discord.
I'm not the greatest atnavigating it yet.

SPEAKER_16 (02:34:50):
I know we have a banning bear versus uh Roy
Garoo.

SPEAKER_01 (02:34:55):
So um if somebody throws a give me 10 weeks and
I'll and I'll and I'll starttraining for this.

SPEAKER_10 (02:35:03):
I mean it's you know uh oh shit.

SPEAKER_16 (02:35:08):
Uh sir, are you gonna just eat the the Roy uh or
the kangaroo meat to train forit?

SPEAKER_10 (02:35:15):
Like that's that's from Brandar.

SPEAKER_01 (02:35:22):
At least at least give me some fake teeth.
Come on.

SPEAKER_15 (02:35:25):
Oh yeah, it looks like you don't have any teeth.
You've got the reverse grill Igot all my teeth.
All right.

SPEAKER_11 (02:35:35):
Oh man, yeah, I w I went into the live chat, the
live stream chat.
That's what I was looking for.
I was trying to see if anybodyposted anything in there.
That's great.
Oh shit, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:35:49):
It's realistic.
Text me that picture, please do.
I would share it with my wife.
My wife's in the hospital withmy mother right now, and I'd
love to share that with her.

SPEAKER_11 (02:35:56):
Bro, it's on the it's on our Discord.

SPEAKER_01 (02:35:58):
I I can't I can't open it right now because it's
gonna mess up my connection.

SPEAKER_11 (02:36:02):
Oh, I gotcha.
Alan text it to him.

SPEAKER_01 (02:36:07):
Over your controlling shit.
Come on, Text Wizard, you gotit.
I I got you, boss.

SPEAKER_11 (02:36:14):
I don't know how to stop sharing this screen.

SPEAKER_16 (02:36:18):
Yeah, you go to the uh I that's what I was having a
problem with.
So when you click on the littleuh figured it out.

SPEAKER_11 (02:36:28):
Couldn't figure out the name of it.
Do baby roos have do baby whatdid that say?
Do baby crews have teeth?
So if it's a kangaroo and abanning, is that what is that a
baby brew?
A banning kangaroo, baby brew?

SPEAKER_01 (02:36:46):
That'd be an ugly son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_11 (02:36:51):
Uh Mike said, I'm working on forgiving, Eric.
Hey, as long as you gotforgiveness in your heart,
buddy, we've always got space.
It's always everything'sforgivable.
Almost.
Almost everything.
Anything that we do on here,it's coming right.

SPEAKER_01 (02:37:08):
And thank you, Paul.
I appreciate that comment.

SPEAKER_11 (02:37:10):
Love you, Paula Grisham.
I haven't seen on here in awhile.

SPEAKER_16 (02:37:18):
Where's our other buddy?
Um uh uh my mind just wentblank.
Uh Paula Grisham?
A wrestling fan.
A wrestling fan.
Uh Country Girl.
She's not on tonight.
I haven't seen her.
The one that joined me online.
Well, I can't think of his name.

(02:37:40):
Oh uh he uh where's the cheetahretro.
Oh, Mr.
Billfold.

SPEAKER_11 (02:37:46):
Yeah, Bill Fold.
He hasn't been on in a while.
I think uh I think he either gotmad at us or mad at somebody.
I don't know.
I haven't seen Billfold in awhile.
I had reached out to him becausehe hadn't been on a while and he
never responded.
So uh I was just going to assumehe didn't want to talk to me
anymore.

(02:38:06):
So it is what it is.
I can't uh I got no no um illwill for the guy.
I've shit I've had him on theshow.
So yeah, I haven't I haven'theard from Bill Fold in a while.
I miss him.
I like having him on here.
He is a guy, he's a really goodguy.
So well boys, ready to wrap thisup?

SPEAKER_16 (02:38:29):
Yeah, I think yeah, good night.

SPEAKER_11 (02:38:31):
Good night.
Y'all are crazy tonight.

SPEAKER_01 (02:38:34):
So just a picture to my wife.
I'm wet on response here for asecond.

SPEAKER_11 (02:38:43):
It's like feels like we are light tonight, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (02:38:47):
A little bit, a little bit, a little bit, but
when you look at our no thenumber that we normally watch,
it looks pretty uh about normal.

SPEAKER_11 (02:38:56):
Yeah, shit.
We're coming up on 245.
So um, but yeah, that's all Igot for tonight, guys.
I am uh closing all my shit out.
I am ready to go to bed,actually.
Actually, I gotta go see how mydaughter did.
She had another concert tonight,she had one yesterday, and then
she had another one tonight.
So I was like, I'm gonna do mylive.

SPEAKER_16 (02:39:18):
Was that a school or was it like uh some other kind
of school?

SPEAKER_11 (02:39:23):
School.
This was a school one, yeah.
Yeah.
Normally I would go, but like Isaid, we just went to one last
night, so not missing out onanything on there.
Uh-oh.
Freeman's birthday, 1201.
Happy birthday.
Marine Blood said he leftDiscord a while ago after he

(02:39:44):
thought I was trying to squashhis free speech, wish he would
come back.
Oh okay.
Well, again, it's it's it's notthat serious.
Just he needs to relax, settledown, and come back.
That's all.
Jude Ramsey, love you guys.
Thank you.
Or thank you guys with hearts.

(02:40:05):
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Uh yeah, yeah.
Happy birthday, Freak.

SPEAKER_01 (02:40:10):
Hey Jude, what time is it there?
I'm just out of curiosity.
What time is it in Australia?

SPEAKER_11 (02:40:18):
Um I guess I could Google it, but free said 12.03
officially.
Yeah, sure.
But all right.
It's it's we're done.
We're done.
It's dead.
So I don't want to beat a deadhorse here.
But all right, guys, thanks forjoining.

(02:40:39):
Everybody, have a good night,and look forward to uh to
putting this on a what do youcall it?
Uh, audio podcast so you guyscan listen on Apple and whatnot
later, too.
So everybody, take it easy.
Have a good night later.
Appreciate it, guys.

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