How A First Amendment Auditor Sparked Real Police Training And Hard Truths

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With me my co-host, BanningSweatland.
What's going on, brother?

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Oh, another day, another day, another dollar,
brother.
It's uh it's been a great, greatstart for me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Yep, for everybody over there in the uh oh, I was
just about to say, I don't knowif our guest is uh showing up,
but he's on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
Yeah, what's up, guys?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
And everybody was wondering, is our special guest
going to be here?
We got him, San Joaquin.
What's up, brother?

SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
How you doing, man?
Good to talk to you guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
You're looking crispy.
What kind of camera are yourunning over there?

SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
Uh it's just my iPhone, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Ah, that's why.
Well, iPhones have good cameras.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
But I do have I do have some lighting that I I use,
you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Ah, there you go.
It's all about the lighting.
That's true.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Well, okay, guys.
We were we were nervous.
I was very nervous.
Were you able to uh join yourYouTube channel?

SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
I wasn't, but I will be like taking clips and I'll be
uh showing folks so they canwatch later on and stuff like
that.
Okay.
My my assistant's off today.
Yeah, my assistant's off today,and she does all the technical
stuff, man.
And I just I know how to press,go, you know, go live and no
worries.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
No worries, no worries.
Yeah, we was hoping because we,you know, we like Bannon, he's
got his LinkedIn channel onhere.
He's got like 30,000 followerson LinkedIn, which is that's
huge.
Um on LinkedIn.
Yeah, and uh, so yeah, weusually try to combine that.
I think Matt's gonna be joiningus a little late.
Matt Thornton, he's uh he's uhan SRO, uh school resource

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officer uh in the Chicagolandarea.
And um he's running a littlelate today, so he said he'll be
he'll be, but he'll be on.
And he's got you know like500,000 followers on his YouTube
channel.
So um trying to get that.
But uh first and foremost,broth, you know, it's kind of
weird how we met each other.
Um I I shared one of yourvideos, uh, kind of did a

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reaction to I didn't know it wasyour video.
And lo and behold, I ended up uhMatt, my buddy uh from the show,
he's like, Hey, you should givecredit to San Joaquin um on
this.
And I said, Who the fuck is SanJoaquin?
He's like, Oh bro, he's this,this, that.
And he goes, I follow him.
He does really good stuff andstarted bragging you up.
And I goes, Well, fuck, whydon't I ask him to come be on
the show if you know him?

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And uh he's like, Well, he'slike, I don't know him like
that.
He's like, But yeah, you couldask him, see what he says.
I was like, Fuck yeah, let's go.
So um I really appreciate you.
You know, you've been so coolthe whole time.
You're like, yeah, that's youknow, you reached out on
Instagram and all that.
So really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 (03:17):
Yeah, we we appreciate it very much.

SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Yeah, my audience is is a very perplexing mix.
You know, we got quite a fewfirst responders.
We got quite a few want to holdpolice accountable because I'm a
I'm a fence sitter when it comesto how people view me.
Um, because I will call out copswhen I see bad police work, like
in your video.
Um, so I wanna I want to getdown that rabbit hole, but first

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I just want people to know youwho you are, um, your
background, and uh what led youto being on social media.
So can you kind of give a littlebit of your background, sir?

SPEAKER_02 (03:53):
Yeah, no doubt.
So my name's David.
I run the San Joaquin ValleyTransparency YouTube channel.
I started in 2017.
Uh I kind of started off, youknow, I don't want to lie, I
kind of started off as anasshole with the camera and I
started seeing some videos, andI really didn't like myself,
seeing myself like that.
So I started changing it up andjust start asking questions and
open up dialogue and and uh andI started asking cops, you know,

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one particular question, andthat was if they knew the first
amendment of the constitution.
Not very many of them knew it.
Actually, none of them knew it.
And so I began to discover apattern, and you know, I
believed it was important tocontinue to highlight this
because I believe that um copsnot knowing it kind of puts them
in danger and puts the people indanger as well.

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If a certain line is crossed,sometimes people will fight
tooth and nail for those rights,and a lot of times people lose.
And so I'm just like, I think itit would be a safer place to be
if we can, you know, maybediscover this pattern that's
kind of hiding in plain sightand just start um putting it out
there.
I am, you know, people have toldme that I am uh one of the first

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wave of First Amendmentauditors.
I did start off, you know, a lota while back, like about eight
years ago, and um soon afterthat, it just a community grew
and it was massive.
And uh and it just it's stillgrowing, you know, to this day.
We have a lot of peoplerecording and asking questions.
So that's kind of what I starteddoing off.
And I guess what got me involvedwas I I live in Bakersfield,

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California, and uh there was anews segment that said that Kern
County was, you know, it had thehighest numbers of police
justified killings per capita.
And I was like, damn, I have youknow four sons and I don't want
them growing up and gettingkilled, you know, for pulling
out their phone or something,and and uh and the the police
will get away with it.
So I decided to get out there, Ireached out to some channels and

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I started recording and uh umand I started a channel.
I didn't expect to grow, Ididn't expect a hundred
subscribers.
And uh, you know, this eightyears later we've amassed a
pretty large following.
And I think it's pot probablybecause the way I decided to
approach this and a more of a aneducational way to do it,

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instead of you know, just alwaysbeing at, you know, you know,
bumping heads and stuff likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (06:12):
So yes, so it it seems that the the same thing
that that triggered how we doour stuff is the same thing that
triggered how you do your stuff.
Everything that I try to do, umand if you guys are on here and
you're like, who the fuck isthis guy?
San Joaquin Valley Transparency,this is his page.
So people in the chat werealready asking, like, where's
this stuff at?
So um, we will hook you up,brother.

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Our platform is your platform.
Feel free if you got books,whatever you have, if you want
to plug, if you want to plugyour mom's flower shop or
whatever she's got, I don'tcare.
Do it.
Um but uh thank you.
The thing that we were we weretrying to figure out was there's
a problem on both sides.
There's a problem on the policeside and there's a problem on
the civilian side.

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And you you are a great exampleof what that seeing that problem
because you know firsthand thatcitizens try to use police as
pawns to come out to deal withyou because emotionally they
don't like what you're doing andthey aren't educated enough to
know that that's your FirstAmendment right to do what
you're doing in a public place.
So we're like, it it's not gonnado me any good to sit here and

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try to preach to certain people.
So I'm not gonna try to preach.
I'm just gonna tell you how Iunderstand the law and in the
education that I have behind itto try to prove a point.
And then we'll have thatdiscussion.
Come to the table.
We may not agree at the end ofit, but just know that I'm
trying to help on both sides thebest way that I can because I'm

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still an active cop.
So for your audiences listening,yes, I am still an active cop.
And uh that's what makes doingwhat I do so risky, and I have
to be very measured in what Ido.
Um, you know, I can I can onlydo and say so much without
putting my own career at risk.
But damn it, one of us needed tocome to the table and start

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talking about that stuff.
Well, in doing that, that'swhere I found my buddy Banning
here, who was a recently retireddeputy.
Um, but he's got 20 plus yearsin law enforcement.
Matt, the other guy that's on,he's got 20 something plus years
in law enforcement.
He's about to retire.
Um, our guy behind the scenesright now, Alan, who's running
all of our stuff, um, thatlittle guy right there.

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He's waving.
Um, he's recently stepped out oflaw enforcement.
Um, we've got a rookie.
He's only got like five yearson, if that.
Um, I think he's got three yearsor four years.
Uh Trey Mosley, he's out inCalifornia as a cop.
Uh so we got a rookieperspective, you know, and we're
all on the same mission to tryto use kind of just what you

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said, education and talk aboutthat stuff.
And what I'll give you anexample.
The next next Monday, the showthat I'm doing at my academy, we
put on an ego class for recruitsto understand.
Because like that guy that youdealt with in your video, which
we're gonna show it here soon,um ego took over.

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He didn't know.
He didn't know.
That was the thing.
And when we don't know where togo next with our next steps, we
can either own that and go, youknow what, I need to get some
more clarification.
I'm sorry, let me step back andjust make sure that I'm right.
And that's what I wish copswould do.
Just step back.
Hey, hey, you know what?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what my play ishere.

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I'm gonna go get someclarification from somebody that
knows.
If every cop did that, I think alot of our interactions we just
fine.
Let me get clarification becauseI don't know what I'm doing
right now.
Cops will not do that.
They do not like to own up thatthey don't know what the fuck
they're doing.
And that is where we get thatego problem.
And so we're gonna do a live andwe're going to teach the ego

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class that we're teaching theserecruits on here.
And and now it's a tool.
Now we're not we're not hoardingthat information.
Now it's a tool.
If if you, San Joaquin, run intosomebody that a cop like that,
and you're like, you know what,dude, you need some fucking
training because obviously youdon't know the laws.
Here's a video for you to gofrom one of your own people.
You don't have to listen to me.
Go listen to one of your ownpeople while they teach you

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where you're fucking up rightnow.
So yeah, brother, I like thatmission.

SPEAKER_02 (10:12):
I I gotta say this, man.
I it's kind of cool.
Um, you know, there's acommunity that came about, you
know, First Amendment auditingcommunity.
Um, but there's also whatpeople, what some would call a
frauditor community.
Some folks don't like what wedo, but I gotta say, um,
obviously I know who MattThornton is.
I think everybody in thecommunity does as well.
Um, we watch a lot of his videosand his clips, and he says a lot

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of things, you know, regardingthis type of stuff.
And it seems like a community isgrowing from this as well,
that's actually positive towardswhat we're doing.
Now, I I get it, we do a lot ofstupid stuff in this community
and and what we do as well.
Um, but at the same time, youknow, a lot of us do have uh
good intentions, you know, inwhat we're doing, the work and

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and to educate people.
And and it's kind of cool to seeyou guys talking about this
stuff, sharing our videos aswell.
Yes, and uh, you know, I'm notgonna lie, when I seen uh my
videos shared on your on yourInstagram, I was like, that's
awesome, man.
I was like, that's cool becauseI know you have a reach as well,
you know.
And yeah, and I'm like, youknow, your your your your uh

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your supporters are gonna seethis as well, and they're gonna
say, wow, you know, this cop isobviously wrong, and what you're
saying was true.
And it was mind blowing, and itwas really cool and really nice
to see.
So definitely thank you on that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:23):
Yeah.
Uh East Loss audit said, yourpolice academy has failed you.
They don't teach you how torespect the public.
I don't really know that it's apolice academy's job to teach
people how to respect eachother.
I think that that is a that's amom and dad issue.
If you're not respecting peopleout in the public, that's a you.

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Um looks like we got Matty on.
Matt just joined.
Where is he at?
He's trying to get his shitgoing.
Uh, when you can, Alan, can youjump Matt in there?
We go.
Maybe maybe.
I know he's trying to connect.
But um, yeah, I would say to umthat person that put that uh

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there he is.
Look at this.
Straight out of prison.
Matt Thornton.
Oh, what's up, buddy?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, tap your mic and make sureyou're on your right.
We got a nope.
Every time.
Yeah, you sound like you're inan echo chamber.
A cop in an echo chamber?
What are the odds?

SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
How about now?

SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
There we go.
Hey, sounding crispy.

SPEAKER_02 (15:32):
What's up, David?
How you doing, brother?
What's good, man?
Good to finally actually talk toyou.

SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
See, I told you guys two cops, one donut, bridging
gaps.

SPEAKER_03 (15:43):
I gotta say, let me lead off, man.
Like, like I remember you're thesecond auditor I I ever I ever
saw.
First one I ever saw wasfascinated was Phil Hernandez
from uh was that High Desert.
Yeah, and then and then you youwere the second.
I I just became obsessed.
There's probably about 2017, 18,right around in there.

SPEAKER_02 (16:00):
Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, and and ever since the common sense that
this man has and the and how hedoes it now, it's it's it's it's
actually really, really cool,man.
I really appreciate.
Enjoy your stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
Well, one of the things you missed him saying
earlier, Matt, was that he heowned up and said when he first
started out, he didn't start outthe right way in the way that he
probably wanted for his what histrue personality is.
Um, and being able to step backand recognize that and switch up
your approach for what your whatyour mission is.

(16:32):
I think that was a because ityou do get caught up, and I've
done it before too, where I I'llI'll make a video or something
like that, and I'm like, oh,this will get a lot of people to
watch.
And I'm like, that's the wrongmindset.
I need to go.
What's my mission?
Oh, it's education-based.
Okay, cool.
Let me do, let me change thisvideo back up because you will,
you get caught up where you'retrying to like, all right, let

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me get some more viewers on thisto get more attention to what
we're trying to do.
Screw it, just stick to themission.
If you stick to the mission,they'll come.

SPEAKER_03 (16:59):
Um you know what you do, like that's so good,
brother, is the your summaries.
It's so matter-of-fact.
And so I don't know.
Do you write those out ahead oftime?
I've been uh I actually wantedto see how how you how do you
how do you do that?

SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
I I do write a lot.
Uh sometimes it just comes offthe top, like when I'm actually
watching a video, I'll justpause it and narrate into it.
You know, I'm thinking as Iwatch sometimes, but if I if I
really want to uh work on avideo and I really want it to
like pop, I'll just I'll I'll doI'll write my stuff into it and
I'll just talk about certainthings.
Like there's like I you know,along the way, I think I figured

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out certain types of things tosay that'll make people really
think.
You know, it's and and I callthose like little diamonds or
gems, you know, things that ittakes a lot of pressure to
actually find these, you knowwhat I mean, and to create
these.
And one of the things that I sayis like, what kind of American
would I be if I neededpermission to be free?
You know, um, things like that,or or for instance, um uh

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freedom should be the topic onevery dinner table in America
every single night.
Like that that kind of stuff istrue.
Like these are things that we'renot talking about at the dinner
table.
We're not truly understandingwhat our rights are.
The people don't seem to knowit.
I didn't know what the FirstAmendment was.
You know, my friends and familydidn't know it.
I didn't learn it from my mom.
I didn't learn it from school.
And even if I did, it justdidn't resonate because it

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wasn't something that just Ifelt like I needed to implement
or apply at the right time.
I just thought, oh, cops aregonna respect my rights.
You know, they're gonna they'regonna know what my rights are,
they're not gonna violate myrights.
But there's a lot of things thatwe don't understand.
Um, a lot of times, whether it'sunder coercion or whether cops
are trained to, you know, um,you know, give up your certain

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rights or just, you know, complyor something like that, you
know, and and uh so I think it'sit's taken a lot of time for me
to actually uh truly find a wayto approach this.
And I gotta say, man, I've I'veactually talked to you know cops
that are on the force.
There's a woman who I actuallykind of cussed out when I first
started, and she ended upworking with me later on.

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She wrote a book about herdepartment and how crooked it
was after she left.
So I've I've worked with a lotof uh current law enforcement
officers or or police officersthat are retired.
There was this one uh retiredofficer who wrote a book and I
helped him promote it and stuff,and he actually wrote the first
book on First Amendmentauditors, and and yeah, man,
it's just been it's been ajourney, it's been an

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educational journey for myself.
Um, we did a a record-breakinguh audit at the uh at the Alley
PD training facility at ElysiumPark behind Dodger Stadium.
And uh I know I seen uh um IslosAudits, he was on here, he's the
one that made that commentearlier, but um he was there
with me.
Uh rest in peace, Jay from J CReal Camera was there with me.

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My son, a couple of my sons wereout there with me.
I have three sons that actuallyhave channels as well that go
out and record sometimes with meand stuff as well.
So um we did a record-breakingaudit.
This was a long time ago, andprobably the most cops ever
called me.
You know, they lined up like ifwe were, you know, protesting or
rioting or something.
And it was the the chopper cameout, and it was crazy, man.

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And uh, but a supervisor cameout and he was like, No, man,
you guys are okay.
Um, you guys are good, don'tworry about it.
I'm gonna talk to all of themand I'm just gonna have them
leave.
And you know, he did invite meto go speak at the LEP training
facility, maybe, maybe teach aclass or something, but I don't
think I was ready then.
Um, I've progressed along theway throughout the years, and
since then I've spoken at uh auniversity.

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Um, I've also been invited tolike uh David Nina Rodriguez's
podcast, and his whole podcast,his whole support base is back
the blue.
And I was like, damn, like I'mgonna get killed over there.
You know, the first thing, thefirst thing he opened up with,
you know, we back the blue, Iback the blue, but I respect
your work.
And we ended up having anamazing positive podcast.

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A lot of people in the chat weresaying, bring this guy back on.
He knows exactly what he'stalking about.
This is what this country needs,right here.
And you know, and and uh there'sa lot of folks in in in your
chat right now.
Give some folks a quickshout-out if you don't mind.
Yeah.
Joe, Joe Cool, power to power,uh, inherited the people, um,
girl with the camera, he'sloses, the angry vet, um, and

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and uh made in America, theripple effect, every camera
counts.
Uh, we got a call as a personalfriend of mine, Wrights Crispy,
personal friend of mine.
He's taking me to he's taking meto Florida and and Pennsylvania.
I've traveled with them toColorado and stuff like that.
And uh also the Pop Brothers atLaw.
He they want to say thank you,Matt, for all your work.
They love it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:32):
Oh, I love them dudes too.

SPEAKER_02 (21:33):
Yeah, they're team did right now.
They're waiting for you to do aa uh a uh STFU uh uh thing with
them.
They didn't ask you to do that.
Yeah, so they're they're uhthey're they're I have a really
strong support base as well.
And uh and like I say, I think Ithink uh by you guys kind of
building a community as well ofof actual current law

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enforcement officers or peoplethat are being are in law
enforcement or have been lawenforcement, that's amazing.
Because you know, a lot of us dodo this for the right reasons.
We have good intentions, we needto learn our rights.
That's obviously I thinksomething that we can all agree
on.
Everybody needs to know whattheir rights are, right?

SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
I think I think you hit the nail on the head on
family and and teaching andtalking about that every day.
But here's where us, so for allmy cops listening, this is one
thing that I do.
I was never taught this, but ifI have an opportunity to explain
to somebody their rights whileI'm out there, I do it.

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Like somebody that I I literallycaught somebody that's looking
at an auditor down the street,because we in my area where I'm
at, you won't hear me say whereI work on here.
I can't do that.
But um where I work, auditorsare pretty heavy.
And um, somebody was pointingout an auditor.
And I took that opportunitybecause they were pissed off
about it.
You know, it's Texas, and uh,I'm like, that's that's a

(22:55):
beautiful thing.
Imagine being a part of agovernment or uh or this country
that's so free that we can holdour government accountable in
such an amazing way without fearof retribution, you know, or or
retaliation.
Uh and and I was like, that is aFirst Amendment right.
They're allowed to do that.
And they're like, they'reallowed to do that.
They can film right inside thatbusiness.

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I'm like, they're on a sidewalk.
It's a public area, anywherefrom the public.
Your eyes can see, that cameracan see, you can do that.
I didn't treat them like anasshole.
I'm like, Are you moron?
You don't know your rights, oryou know what, you're right,
yeah, that's bullshit.
They shouldn't be doing that.
I took it as an opportunity toeducate.
So just as you're saying that weshould be talking about freedom
all the time, I'm with you,brother.
And something that we can do aspolice, because this is what the

(23:39):
whole point of my show is, orour show, my bad, Matt and
Banning, the whole point of ourshow is is spreading that
message and teaching people.
It isn't to make you look bad,it's to educate.
Now, sometimes you will look badbecause of what you chose to do,
but in your bad moment, you aregoing to teach a lot more cops,
a lot more citizens about whattheir rights are or how to

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handle something better.
So that's kind of the premisebehind it.
So I really like that you hadthat um that that thought, that
philosophy.
But something I want, I kind ofwe got some questions that we've
all probably I know Matt'sprobably got some questions for
you too.
Uh Banning, um, my firstquestion that I really want to
know from you, brothers, you'vebeen doing this since when?

(24:22):
Since 2018, was that 2017?
2017.
Okay, so from 2017 to now, haveyou seen a change in policing
and how they handle auditors?
Has it gotten better?
Has it gotten worse?
Is there been no effect?

SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Um, that's a great question.
Um, you know, obviously I, youknow, when I started, I felt
like we were gonna build such abig community that um that it's
gonna be nationwide andeverybody's gonna know their
rights, and and we're gonnacreate that nationwide change
that needs to be done.
Um I don't know if we havereally yet.

(25:00):
Um I will say this though,locally, um, there are a lot of
police officers that would seeme arrive on scene, and
immediately it was like, bumpheads, I'm gonna arrest you, um,
this and that.
And uh, and so the some of thesame cops that I bumped heads
with before um actually see menow and they're like, hey David,

(25:21):
how you been, man?
Shake my hand, and and we have apretty good you know
interaction.
A lot of these cops that arethat have been around me for a
while that I I go out andrecord, they they don't they
don't try to bully me anymore.
They don't try to tell me Ican't record and stuff like
that.
They just they kind of go out oftheir way to just kind of say hi
and stuff like that.
And uh I think maybe a lot ofthem have um maybe seen that I

(25:44):
do have good intentions alongthe way, and they know they're
not gonna win against not me,because I'm only one of the
people.
They're not gonna win againstthe constitution, you know,
they're not gonna win againstthe First Amendment.
And it's just a losing battle.
You know, we try to go againstit and it's a losing battle.
And um, but yeah, I mean, Idon't know if we've seen it on a
grand scale, other than thereare a lot of channels.

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I mean, look at look at what youguys are doing now.
That's change.
You know, that's amazing.
Um, look at what a lot of peopleare doing now.
And that's kind of, I believeit's it's a it's a good, it's a
great path, you know, um,leaving politics out of this of
what we do.
I think this community allowsanybody to kind of get involved,

(26:25):
you know, man, woman, red, blue,left, right, um, you know,
straight, gay, black, white.
It doesn't matter.
Everybody can be involvedbecause it's something that
pretty much kind of bringseverybody in.
And I've never really seenanything before where people are
really trying to learn theirrights, you know, uh, from
anywhere.
And this is going on from sea toshining sea, everywhere in

(26:46):
between.
Now we have channels and supportin the UK, Australia, Canada,
and other places as well.
This whole topic of freedom isit's a beautiful thing, man.
I think, like I said, we can allwe can all agree that we all
need to know our rights and havefreedom, especially in this
country, right?

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
Yep.
I agree.
I think that the youth thesedays, they've they've had it so
easy, so cake, that they don'tgive a shit about their freedom
until that shit's about to betaken away.
And it takes, I hate to say Igot it.
The gray in my beard's gonna beshowing here, but older people,
we gotta, we gotta get itthrough to them before it's too

(27:23):
late.
Uh because they'll start to loseit.
Um now, one of the things thatwe really like about what this
live stream brings, um, and andwhat would you like me to call
me?
Do you want me to call you SanJoaquin?
Do you want me to call youDavid?
What do you want me to call you?

SPEAKER_02 (27:34):
David's fine.
San Joaquin's fine.
David, I you know, everybodycalls me both.

SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
So okay.
I just didn't I didn't want tobe rude.
But um, one of the things that Ilove is people get to ask you
questions from the audience, andwe love giving them the chance
to do that.
So uh Twitchy Skitch said, SanJoaquin, do you feel that the
local scanner chasers are havinga positive or negative impact on
BPD behavior and the publicperception of policing in

(27:58):
Bakersfield?

SPEAKER_02 (28:00):
That's a great question.
I actually bumped heads withsome of those guys when I first
when they first started, um,because I was obviously doing
what I do.
Um, I think some of them had thewrong idea about me.
Um, they would have kind ofcussed me out and say bad things
about me on their on their livestreams and stuff like that.
Um, there was one guy, TW Live'slocal guy, who just didn't like

(28:23):
me.
And they were kind of makingthreats that they're gonna, you
know, knock me out when they seeme and stuff like that.
So one day I seen him.
I ended up fighting one of thoseguys, man, on the streets.
He's like he's a bigger dude,man.
I was like, let's get it.
Bam, bam, bam.
Cops are right there, theydidn't do nothing about it,
nobody pressed charges.
But I will say that even TravisWest, T TW Lives, even the

(28:46):
streamers, um, a lot of themhave reached out to me, and now
they look at me in a differentway.
They're like, you were right,man.
These cops actually try toviolate our rights when we're
out there.
And so these guys were alwayslike, Thank you, officer, thank
you for what you do.
Every chance they got.
And I'm just like, all right,that's fine, but they already
get paid.
They already, you know, theythey get paid to do a job.

(29:09):
You know, I'm not if they do agood job, they don't violate my
rights, I'll be like, hey man,you guys, you guys have a good
day.
You know, I'll see you guys nexttime, whatever.
They do the same with me.
Cops, they give me fist bumpsand everything.
So, but you know, these guysthat were the streamer channels,
um, I think uh I I guess thequestion was, are they making an
impact locally?
Um, I think so.

(29:30):
But even them, man, even those,even though those guys are um,
you know, police supporters,back the blue, those guys have
had their rights violated bythese cops as well.
And so, I mean, what does thattell you?
You know, they they kind ofchanged their mindset about me
as well.
And more than half of them,there's probably like 10
streamers out here, more thanhalf of them have reached out to

(29:51):
me.
And, you know, they say, hey, wegot no beef with you anymore,
and this and that, and you wereright, you know, you're you're
right about how you approachthis and you know how you what
you say and your stuff.
And so, yeah, man, I mean.

SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
All right.
All right, Banny, I'm gonna I'mgonna open the floor to you,
brother.
I don't want i I I try to geteverybody their piece of the
pie, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (30:10):
My whole thing is just a couple of statements.
First of all, thank you verymuch for for coming on to our
show, just like Eric and andMatt said, it's uh it's it's our
pleasure for you to join us.
I believe this truly brings moreof the community together.
Um I was a cop for 21 years, andI wake up every day with an
inbox full.
I'm a I'm a LinkedIn guy.

(30:31):
I'm I I can't even log into myFacebook anymore.
So I I rely on LinkedIn and I'mconnected to two cops, and it's
a melting pot.
I'm I'm connected to about everyprofession you can think about.
Um but why are we this is moreof a statement again, it's not a
question.
Why are we sitting in 2025?
Uh and I'm sorry, but why arethese videos still existing?

(30:53):
Why why is did not the trainingcoming across, here we are in
2025, I just retired a year ago,why am I still seeing the
videos?
And it's such a tarnish on acareer that I love and respect
and I push for every single daybecause I know the good ones out
there.

(31:13):
I see so much good.
And then when I see the thingsthat that you've gone through
through Sean Paul Reyes and allthe guys that we have we've met
in our journey of doing this, ofwhat y'all have had to endure,
it it angers my blood.
And I know it angers Eric, andwe all know it it angers Matt,
and that's why he's got such abig voice on it.

(31:34):
I'm working on it.
I'm I'm learning edits andstuff.
But we're just learning.

SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
Me, me and and banning, we're rookies in this
whole auditor world.
It just we we've been calling itout for the last three, four
years, yeah, but I didn't knowlike to because here's the
problem.
And and just like with yourvideo, the video that I got of
you wasn't from you, somebodyelse has shared it, and that's
where I got it from.
So I never know who the actualperson is.

(32:01):
And I don't, but somebody hearsyour voice in our in our
audience and they're like, Oh,that's such and such.
Matt did it for this one.
Matt literally sent me amessage, and he's like, you
know, that's San Joaquin.
Like, give him credit.
I goes, I don't know who thefuck that is, dude.
So, like, so I'm you know,Matt's, you know, he's our
sensei on some of this stuff.
So he's he's like, Oh, that'sthe such and such.

(32:22):
I'm like, Oh, okay.
So I check out your page.
You had reached out onInstagram, so I saw that, and
everything fell together.
But like kind of what Banning'ssaying, like, we're 2025, we get
angry.

SPEAKER_03 (32:34):
I was I was fighting mad when I seen you putting them
handcuffs, man.
I was that was that was soridiculous, so embarrassing, so
disgusting.
It like I I can't even describeit.
I want to break, I want to putmy foot through my computer
watching that.

SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
Yeah, it yeah, it's very frustrating when especially
me.
I'm these guys will tell you I'mnot.
The optimistic guy.
I'm the dumbass that has rosecolor rose-colored glasses, no
matter what it is.
I'm always trying to see thegood side of things.
Or like I think I can make itbetter.
Maybe that's my fatal flaw, butI truly believe I can.

(33:11):
I see a video like yours, I'mlike, all right, we can we can
we can make this better.
Let me get a hold of this guy.
Let me let's get him on.
And I may not be able to fix theproblem.
I'm I'm totally aware I'm notgonna fix the problem.
But if we get one cop to re tosee what we're talking about and
go, oh fuck, I didn't thinkabout it like that.
Bang.
We just we made a difference tosomebody that that cop impacts

(33:31):
later on down the line.
It's not gonna get everybody,and I get that.
But like a lot of your people onon here, you know, they don't
know us.
You know, I don't expect them toknow us.
They probably know Matt.
Everybody knows Matt.
That's why, that's why we we welove Matt.
But um, you know, it it does usno good if Matt's the only one
putting the fight out.
Now we got now we got about fiveof us putting the fight out.

(33:54):
So um, and and we're gainingmore and more ground.
I've I had a lot of cops thathave reached out and have been
like, all right, I kind ofthought you were doing it this
way, just like with you all.
They all think you're out, theycall you frauditors and that
you're out there just to get theclicks and the likes.
I'm like, no, there's somepeople out there that just truly
believe in freedom and in theirconstitutional rights.
And how else are you gonna know?

(34:14):
That again, this is what I say.
This is a beautiful country whencitizens can take it upon
themselves to do checks andbalances.

SPEAKER_02 (34:21):
Right.
And you know, it's like like Iwas saying, man, it's it's it's
a beautiful thing.
It's so wonderful to see a kindof a community growing out of
this, which you guys are doing.
You know, I know Matt has beenleading the way on this as well.
Um, you know, it's it's it'sit's kind of badass, you know.
We need you guys as well, youknow.
This country needs you guys aswell, you know, and and uh it

(34:41):
takes kind of everybody tryingto understand what is right, you
know, the difference betweenright and wrong, and uh and and
just you know, having checks andbalances and and just us knowing
what our rights are, because youknow, I I had a judge once tell
me, you know, if you don't knowyour rights, you don't have any
rights.
And so um that's kind ofimportant.
And a lot of us don't know ourrights, so what does that mean?

(35:04):
If we don't know our rights, wejust don't have any rights.
We're going out there in thisworld without even uh knowing
what our rights are.
And that's I I say it in mychannel, like, you know, um
parents shouldn't be lettingtheir kids go to Starbucks, the
football, baseball games, thetheaters, all these places
without them knowing what theirrights are, putting almost
putting them in a dangerousposition.
I've also learned as well thatpolice officers teach their kids

(35:28):
not to talk to cops.
I mean, what does that tell you?
You know, I've had other plentyof cops that I speak to, you
know, that don't have channelsthat are either current cops or
retired, and they say they giveme a lot of tips and a lot of
things, their training and stufflike that.
Shout out to um Abiah Israelfrom We the People University,
former cops, and just an amazingman, you know, and I've spoken

(35:49):
to him a lot.
He wrote a book and I I read itin like one day it was it was
that um powerful that book was.
And um, and you know, through mywork, through my channel, um,
seven different police chiefshave been, you know, forced out
of their position.
Uh, a mayor, a city attorney.

(36:10):
Um, you know, the the the mostrecent one was from Arvin,
California.
And he this guy was a bad dude.
He had been fired, arrested,charged, and convicted for
stealing$17,000 from uh BuzzVedas Estates Police Department
here in California.
He he goes, becomes a reserveofficer in Maricopa, California,
and they're impoundingeverybody's cars and they're

(36:32):
getting a kickback from theTotra Computer.
The grand a federal grand juryreport comes out, and uh the
grand jury report comes out andends up disbanding that small
department.
Well, he wipes his hands cleanand he comes to Arvin,
California, which is a nearbytown, and he kind of weasels his
way up to the top.
Um, when he was fired, his namewas Alex Gazarian, but all of a

(36:55):
sudden he's the chief, hebecomes chief of police in Arvin
and he's using Alex Gazalport.
Well, he was trying to sweep hisrecord under the rug, and this
guy was like a bowling ball.
He there was a lot of publicofficials that were not really
aligning themselves with what hewas doing there, and so he a lot
of them ended up getting fired.
Um, and so a lot of them werereaching out to me as well.

(37:15):
They started telling me, Yougotta you gotta do some research
on this guy, go ask him somequestions.
And so I did.
I I went out there and I waslike, You mind if I get your
name and badge number?
He's like, Alex Gazalport, youknow, um, I'm the chief of
Arvin.
And I was like, Well, I havesome reports that you you used
to be uh Alex Gazarian.
Is it true that you used to usea different name?

(37:36):
He says, Well, my name hasalways been Alex Gazarian
Ghazalport.
So then I began to make videosand let the people of Arvin know
who he was.
One of the different one of thedifferent things that we do uh
um apart from mainstream media,they don't when they tell news
stories and stuff like that,they don't really put um where
to make your complaints or whereto redress your grievances,

(37:58):
right?
Which is in the first amendment.

SPEAKER_01 (38:00):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
We put email addresses, we put Facebook
links, we put phone numbers, andso the people know where to
call.
And our videos go viralsometimes, so they'll get call
after call after call.
And it's like the pressures, thepressure is on them.
So I kind of learned how to usethe court of public opinion
early on, and uh, and that's whyI think we were able to get rid
of several different policechiefs that were bad, uh,

(38:23):
including Alex.
Arvin, California is some of thebest work and the proudest work
that I've ever done, onlybecause we were able to present
these videos and what they weredoing.
Got rid of the city attorneyover there, a couple other
public officials, got rid of thechief of police.
Now it seems like things arefalling into place.
The mayor seems like a reallygood person.
She does community work, theythey go out and they pick up

(38:45):
trash together, they're cleankeeping the clean the city
clean.
And it's just kind of amazing tosee what and I let me just say
this.
I could not have done it myselfin Arvind.
I think that's a massive lessonto be learned.
Um I could not have done itmyself.
The maybe some of the publicofficials that were in there
could not have done itthemselves without me or without
the community.
The community couldn't have doneit themselves.

(39:07):
It almost took like um acollaboration, a collaborative
effort of you know, myself,them, the public uh private
investigator who had saved allof this information because they
were trying to scrub Alex'srecord and sleep it under the
rug.
And uh and they they kept all ofthat.
So it seemed like it took a lotof us, a lot of people to

(39:27):
actually come together, go tothe city council meetings, put
the pressure on, make thisvideo, seven call, and uh to
actually create the change thatwe got to see in Arvin.
So maybe we're not making achange on a grand scale, like
the entire country is changingright now.
Um, maybe not yet, maybe wedon't see it yet.
But I was able to create helpcreate some change here locally,

(39:50):
and it's totally mind-blowing.
Like I said, it's a massivelesson to be learned.
And I also want to give a shoutout to um also want to give a
shout out to um uh a localInstagram page called Kern
County Activities.
Now check this out, you guysmight like this.
I believe every community needsa current county activities

(40:10):
page.
What do they do?
They don't go out and recordlike I do, but they sure do
share a lot of my stuff that Iput out.
Um but they also shareeverything that's going on in
the community.
If there's a car accident, fatalor not, they they some people,
everybody in the community willstart sending them photos.
There's uh traffic stop overhere, there's there's uh um

(40:32):
border patrols pulling peopleover here, conducting traffic
stops.
There's all kinds of stuff thatthey put.
Everybody just sends themeverything, whether it's fights
or bar fights, and they they'vegot a sense of humor as well,
man.
They're really funny.
So if you really think about it,all all the law enforcement
agencies in town follow them.
We got the California HighPatrol, what are they called
again?
Kern County Activities onInstagram.

(40:53):
I'll send you the link later.
Um, yeah.
So they have the BakersvillePolice Department, they have uh
every the all the news agenciesfollow them.
So what does that tell you?
A lot of people, myselfincluded, the police department
and the uh and then all the newsagencies, they get a lot of the
their news from this small fromnot they're not they're actually
kind of big from this Instagramaccount.

(41:15):
And it's because everybody'sjust taking pictures around the
county and just sending themeverything, and so they're
constantly posting.
I think they got like three orfour people working on them 24
hours a day, so that they cancontinue to post non-stop.
And uh, they got merch andeverything, and those guys
always give me a shout-out, andthey're just they it's it's kind
of important because you knowwhat's happening in your town

(41:38):
and almost in real time, whichis insane.
And that's how I was able to goout and get cover new stories
and do a lot of stuff like thatrecently.
Instagram will connect youlocally with a lot of local
people while you YouTube willkind of spread you out
everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
Yeah.
Um, I want to address one thingthat was said in the comments.
They said that us on the panellook bored with your story.
No, this is just my face.
I'm sorry.
Are you kidding me?
I I can't be bored with whatthis man's saying.
Um, two, I I I run everything.
So while he's talking, I'mpulling things up and doing
that.
Um, the the only two that get tosit there and look pretty are

(42:15):
the bald guy and the beardedguy, uh, the big ginger bearded
guy.
So um I apologize if I lookbored, but sir, I promise you I
am being a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (42:24):
That's the furthest thing from the truth.

SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah.
We wouldn't be doing this ifthat if that was the case.
But um I want to address whatyou just talked about looking up
stuff in real time.
Please don't let me forget that.
Alan in the background, don'tlet me forget that.
Um, but I want is that it kerncounting activities?

SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
Uh let me see.
How many followers do they got?
That might not be them.

SPEAKER_01 (42:49):
That looks like 12.

SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
Yeah, that's not them.
That might be their that mightbe their backup account, but um,
I'll send you I will send youtheir link later on.

SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
And I think uh all right, let me hold on real
quick.
I just nobody ever really doesthis many memberships.
I just want to give a shout outto the angry vet.
He get he just gifted 50memberships.
Holy shit, brother.
Thank you very much.
Listen, I I if you guys I'veseen a bunch of donations going
to Matt's page, I've seen uhdonations going to my page.

(43:18):
Um, if if if San Joaquin had puthis page on here, I'm sure he'd
be getting the same thing.
Um, but thank you, everybody.
The money that you are puttingtowards the show goes directly
into the show, it doesn't go inanybody's pockets.
We're not out here drivingCorvettes, I promise you.
Um I got a 2019 truck that I'mabout to have paid off in
December.
I'm super excited.
So uh it's the first vehicleI've ever paid off.

(43:41):
Um, but uh your money's notgoing towards that.
It's for the YouTube premium, soyou don't have to watch ads and
shit when we share videos andall that good stuff.
So thank you very much.
But the point that I was gettingto um is uh before the Angry Vet
bestowed upon us that gift.
Thank you, sir.
Um, is I want to show your videowhat got us going because I want
to hear that story as well.

(44:02):
So I'm gonna share this.
Um Angry Vet also said, becausethe troll hate when I spend
money on other people'schannels.
That is, you know what?
I like a spiteful man sometimes.
That's awesome.
Stick it to him, Angry Vet.
Um, Angry Vet, just so you know,I am currently still in the
military.
I'm in the well, I'll give airquotes so banning doesn't freak

(44:26):
out.
I'm Air Force, so I'mquasi-military.
He was in the real military.
Uh, I am still in.
I'm a military cop.
I'm an Air Force cop, and I'm amunicipal cop.
That's where two cops, one donutcomes from.
When I first started by myself,I was I am the two cops.
So that's where the name camefrom.
Not two girls, one cop, despitethe rumors.

(44:47):
Uh guy that was obsessed withthat for so long.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
The thing was, I my favorite oneof my favorite podcasts was Two
Bears One Cave with BertKreischer and Tom Segura.
And I really like their podcast,so I just kind of made my name
off of theirs.
So, anyway, let's get to thisvideo.

(45:08):
Um, and Bearded Tim justreceived a oh, look at that.
Our mod got an account.
Nice.
Um, let me make that go away.
There you go.
Um, and let's play.

SPEAKER_04 (45:22):
The subject's now out here filming me.
First off, you can turn off yourcamera, it's against the law for
you to be filming an officer.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
What's the first thing?
I'm not gonna discuss it withyou.
Freedom of pressure.
Freedom, freedom of symmetry.
You have no right to follow me,and it's against the law.
You're driving recklessly.
You can call my chief and youcan call the police department
and you can file a complaint.
You're more than you know.
That's why you need your nameand badge.
I just can follow the righthere, and that's my card number.
Take it and leave.
Or I'm gonna leave.
I'm gonna arrest it.

(45:42):
I'm telling you right now, it'sagainst the law for you to be
filming an officer.
It's in the penal code.

SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
So if you want to discuss it, we can't I'm gonna
stop it right there for nowbecause I know Matt's gonna lose
his shit.
Matt, you haven't said a wholelot now, buddy.
I'm gonna let you have your timeto shine.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
It's it's just so preposterous to me.
Like, I it's I I just I only wayI can equate it is if a
professional football playersaid went to it, went to his
coach and said, How many inningsare in this football game?
It makes no sense whatsoever in20 at any time.
Feel me, the police is againstthe law.

(46:15):
Like, that just I didn't evenknow it's I didn't think I I was
waiting for uh uh cameras tocome out that this was a
practical joke or something,right?

SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Yeah, and I I think that that was the like when I
saw that part right away, I waslike, what in the actual fuck?
And I look, I'm I'm look, I'mI'm not gonna lie, guys.
I'm looking at the video, andMatt, maybe you were doing the
same thing.
I'm like, what year was thisvideo made?
That's what I was trying tofigure out.
What year was this video made?
I'm trying to see this.
Must be it must be an old video.

(46:44):
And when I start trying to doresearch, I can't find shit on
it.
I'm like, oh no.
When you can't find anything,that means it's pretty new.

SPEAKER_03 (46:52):
Somebody said it to me.
I just recognized Dave's voiceright away.
I'm like, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:57):
Yeah.
Again, that's the advantage youhave of me and Banning being
rookies over here.
We're trying to figure thatstuff out.
So um unreal.
So I wanna I wanna play until Istart to commentate and then
we'll cut it.
But then I want you to tell thestory.
If if that's cool with you.
If you can.
Yeah, we'll do it.
All right, let's uh let's keepplaying.
And I'll take you in thesupervisor out here.

SPEAKER_04 (47:18):
I don't need to.
Okay, you need to you need toleave because you have no right
to follow me.
Let me get your bathroom realquick.
I just told you what it is.
And there's my car number.
Here's my name.
You got it on camera.
So go ahead and get in your carand leave.

SPEAKER_06 (47:28):
Is there any reason why you're speaking to that?
I just told you.

SPEAKER_04 (47:30):
Stop filming me.
Or I like I said, I'm gonna putI'm gonna place you in the
handcuffs and place you underarrest.
And everything you do after thatin front of your daughter is
gonna be on you.
So it's like why are you shakinglike that?
Are you on drugs?
Is that why you're driving therecklessly the way you are?

SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
Holy shit, balls.
It's 2025 and we're stilldealing with all right.
Let me stop sharing.
And there we go.
Make sure.
All right, tell the story,brother.

SPEAKER_02 (47:49):
I have the full clip on my my Instagram.
I don't know if you want to pullthat up because Oh, do you?
Yeah.
And it actually shows from whenI actually walk up, you know,
and try to get his name andbadge number up until he runs.
Because I actually cut a lot ofthat out.
I try to turn it into a small,uh quick video, but it's it's
maybe like maybe like one or twominutes long.
And then my daughter's actuallyrecording from the car, and she

(48:11):
actually records him when he putafter he puts me in cuffs,
cuffs, and walks me to the car.
And after I'm in cuffs, he liftsmy right arm as much as as high
up as possible.
And then I told him, dude, stophurting.
You're hurting me, stop.
And he's like, I don't care.
And he puts me in the car withmy arm up like that.
He even grabs my elbow and heputs me in the car like that.

SPEAKER_01 (48:31):
And um, I think I got it.
Let me uh you tell me if this isthe right one, sir.
Is that right?
Um I can go back.

SPEAKER_02 (48:45):
It's gonna be that one right there.
Um next to the no, the one nextto that, right there.
It's gonna be that one.

SPEAKER_01 (48:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (48:54):
Okay, yeah, that's it.

unknown (48:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (48:56):
So I I I do talk, I kind of introduced it, but you
can maybe fast forward it towhere the actual incident
starts.
I don't have the ability to fastforward on the incident.
You recognize this high schooldistrict officer right here.
And parents, if you have astudent in the current high
school district, this video isfor you.
And if you're a student in thecurrent high school district
where there's police on campus,this video is for you as well.

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And make sure you share this farand wide all over the campuses.
So if you recognize thisofficer, please let us know.
If you have any stories thatinvolve him, we want to know
about it.
His last name is Calvio.
He does have a twin brother, somake sure if you have a story
regarding this guy, make sureit's the right one.
This guy recently illegallyarrested me, stuffed me in the

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back of the cruiser, only to belet go by the supervisors
because I did nothing illegal.
Sometimes I put myself on theline to keep the public safe
from bad cops, but this time itwas an actual school police
officer.
Everything that happened isexplained in this video.
Make sure you guys follow ourYouTube channel, San Joaquin
Valley Transparency, where wepost local cops getting educated

(49:57):
by yours truly.
Let's go ahead and get right toit, folks.

SPEAKER_04 (50:00):
First off, if you can turn off your camera, it's
against the law for you to befilming an officer.
Yes, it is.
You can call the policedepartment and you can file a
complaint.
You're more competitive.
I just follow the petition.
Right here, and that's my cardnumber.
Take it and leave.
Or I'm gonna leave.
I'm gonna wait for your backupto get it.
No, you don't need to.
I don't need no backup.
filming an officer.
So if you want to discuss it,I'll take you to the supervisor

(50:23):
out here.
I don't need to.
Because you're speaking.
Or like I said, I'm gonna putI'm gonna place you in the
So it's why are you shaking likethat?
Are you on drugs?

SPEAKER_05 (50:33):
Is that why you're driving the recklessly the way
you are?

SPEAKER_02 (50:35):
Alright, folks, as promised, here's the San Walking
Arrest video.
And I do have an update at theend, so stick around.
I think you're gonna be happy.
It all started when this highschool district police officer
Calvillo decided the road washis own personal speedway.
This dude thought he was DomToretto and Fast and the
Furious.
Let me rewind to a day beforewhere a different cop scared the
ever-living shit out of mydaughter, who's a student

(50:55):
driver, trying to get someexperience at the Valley Plaza
Mall parking lot in Bakersville,California.
I have a short video on mychannel of me complaining to a
supervisor about it.
She was really nice, but I don'thave video proof of that one, so
I'm not sure what she or anybodycan do on a personal level as
far as complaints go.
But at least the department ison notice.
So the very next day, I pick upmy daughter from school.

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This time I'm driving downGolden State Avenue, and Officer
Calvio, aka Lightning McQueen,speeds by like a bat out of
hell.
So I begin to follow him, tryingto keep up.
He makes a couple turns withoutsignaling and also stops the car
at a light across the line.
Now these are all trafficinfractions that pull a lot of
money out of our wallets,purses, and bank accounts when

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we get caught.
They say that in order to keepthe people on the road safe,
they have to ticket us.
When police speed through ourstreets without lights and
sirens, they're not justbreaking policy.
They're gambling with our livesand theirs.
In the last decade alone,multiple people in Bakersfield
have been killed in collisionsinvolving police vehicles that
were either responding withoutwarning signals or driving at

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high speeds.
Victims like Brandon Flores,Mario Lares, Ignacio Hernandez,
Cristo Reynaga, and EdgarRodriguez never had a chance to
react because there was novisual or audio warning that a
patrol car was approaching atdangerous speeds.
This isn't about blaming everysingle officer, but about
recognizing a pattern.
When emergency lights and sirensaren't used the way they're

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supposed to be, civilians paythe price.
These tragedies prove whatshould be obvious.
Speed becomes deadly when thepublic isn't alerted, and
failing to activate lights andsirens turns a routine response
into a fatal surprise.
It's not just unsafe, it'sunacceptable.
Now, Dom Toreto Calvio was justin a hurry to eat some Taco Bell
or some shit.

(52:42):
We don't know.
I'm guessing he was on hislunch.
That was his emergency.
And maybe I wouldn't be sodisappointed or upset if my
daughter hadn't been cut off bytwo cops the day before, leaving
her with an acceleratedheartbeat and a fear that a cop
could have crashed into her.
She hasn't really wanted todrive much since.
So Calvio turns into aresidential area and parks his

(53:02):
cruiser.
Excuse me, our cruiser.
Those cars belong to thetaxpayers.
He immediately gets agitated andangry, and the threats begin.
This is where the video starts.
Check this out.
I'll see you at the end of thevideo with an update to what's
happening right now.

SPEAKER_01 (53:19):
Well, I'm gonna pause this real quick and we'll
address this.
Let me switch over here.
Uh, do any of you actually takeanything Sanjay says seriously?
It's like watching a fish out ofwater.
Yeah, I do.
If if what he had to say wasfactually incorrect, not

(53:40):
reasonable, and illogical, thenI would call him out and say
what you're saying doesn't makesense.
It's not the law and all ofthat.
But he doesn't say that.
So I don't know what pointyou're trying to make, Brian
Chubb, but yes, I do take whathe has to say seriously because
it's factually correct, it'slogical, and it makes sense.

(54:03):
So yeah, I do.
Um anyway, back to the video.

SPEAKER_02 (54:09):
Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_04 (54:22):
Turn the camera off or I'm not gonna talk about it.
No, no, let me let me get yourname and badge number.
Let me get your name and yes Ican.

SPEAKER_02 (54:27):
Let me get your name and badge number.
I already got your car.
I already got your car number.
I already got your car number.
I I need to ask you why you'respeeding down the road.
District 15.
Why you're speeding down theroad, driving recklessly?

SPEAKER_04 (54:40):
I'm gonna be 10-6, uh follow to my B-boy.
Copy 8, we're gonna get here ifyou're next door.

SPEAKER_05 (54:46):
Why are you driving recklessly?
Creepy.
What's your name and badgenumber?
104 and ease that you've got avehicle calling you to your
residence.

SPEAKER_04 (54:54):
Affirmative.
The subject's now out herefilming me.
If you can start uh District 2.
First off, you can turn off yourcamera, it's against the law for
you to film an officer.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
And I'm filming you right now.
What's the first thing?
I'm not gonna discuss it withyou.
Freedom of pressure.
Freedom of religion, freedom ofsymmetry.
You have no right to follow me,and it's against the law.
You're driving recklessly.
You can call it my chief and youcan call the police department

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and you can file a complaint.
You're more than a company.
That's why I need your name andbackground.
I just write and file the case.
It's right here, and that's mycar number.
Take it and leave.
Or leave.
I'm gonna request it.
No, you don't need to.
I don't need no backup.
filming an officer.
So if you want to discuss it,and I'll take you to the
supervisor back here.
I don't need to.
I'll supervisor.
Okay, you need to you need toleave because you have no right

(55:37):
to follow them.
Let me get your bathroom realquick.
I just told you what it is.
And there's my car number.
Here's my name.
You got it on camera.
So go ahead and get in your carand leave.
I just told you.
You do you know what the speedlimit is on the freeway?
Yeah, I do.
Okay, so uh so the reason whyyou were speeding?
Because I I know my speedometerwas at 75.
Do you know what your speed is?
You're going 75?

(55:58):
No.
So do you know the speed limiton the freeway then?
Yeah, I do.
Okay, what is it?
I know the speed limit.
What is it?
I'm not the one being questionedhere.
You are because you'requestioning you all you want.
Because you're speeding.
Stop filming me.
Or like I said, I'm gonna putI'm gonna place you in the
And everything you do after thatin front of your daughter is
gonna be on you.
So it's just why are you shakinglike that?

SPEAKER_05 (56:16):
Are you on drugs?
Is that why you're driving therecklessly the way you are?
Stop, man.
I haven't done anything illegal.
Let's get the car and go.
I just told you you are.

SPEAKER_04 (56:35):
I gave you multiple opportunities.
Yes, you have.
I told you to stop recording me,and I gave you my name and my
car, and I told you what you canthink about a report.

(56:56):
I'm not gonna debate it with youout in front of my residence.
You have no right to follow me.

SPEAKER_01 (57:00):
That's a good ass mic.
What the hell is she using?

SPEAKER_02 (57:03):
Just her iPhone.

SPEAKER_01 (57:04):
God damn.
I'm like, as soon as you putthat out there, I can hear
everything.

SPEAKER_02 (57:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
Okay.
I'm watching the arm.

SPEAKER_05 (57:11):
I don't call you.
How am I supposed to know thisis your resident?
I just told you it was multipletimes.
And that's what I asked you todo.
I'm not at your residence, I'min the street anymore.
No, I'm in a public property.
And you're fucking hurtingstuff.
I don't care.
You don't care?
Stop in there.
Nobody started public.

SPEAKER_02 (57:25):
Alright, folks, so here's the update.
I spoke to the chief and thelieutenant yesterday, and I want
to say that they treated me withthe utmost respect and told me
the matter is being takenseriously, and it's now under
investigation.
They couldn't give me any moreinformation, but I have spoken
to some parents that have kidsat the school where Calvio
works, and he hasn't been backon campus since the incident.
I'm guessing this means he'seither suspended or on leave,

(57:48):
more than likely until theinvestigation gets done.
I actually hope that he doesn'tcome back because I believe he
could be putting kids in danger.
So after he did what he did tome, I went to the urgent care to
check the damage in my shoulder,my wrists, and my ulna bone.
One of the nurses said that sheknew the cop.
She said that him and his twinbrother are extremely
aggressive.
That's when I decided to makesure that all the parents knew

(58:10):
the dangers their kids faced.
Now we can't go convicting hisbrother, right?
Because he's not the one thatwas speeding and putting me in
cuffs.
But here's a couple things thatI want to point out.
Dom Toredo Calvio didn't want toidentify by badge number, only
saying, You have my name, whichmakes me wonder.
If I would have filed acomplaint against his brother,
it more than likely would havebeen thrown out.

(58:31):
That's concerning to me.
In my opinion, he was doing hisbest to circumvent justice by
not identifying property.
In the video, you'll hear himconfess to going 75 miles an
hour.
The speed limit on Golden StateAvenue is 65 miles an hour.
And that road can be extremelydangerous.
There have been several folksthat have crashed on that road,
and some of those crashes havebeen deadly.

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That's the kind of road that youdon't want to speed on.
You can easily go over the side,as many have before.
I also want to point out that hestopped my First Amendment right
to record by telling me it wasillegal to record and then
threatened to arrest me.
Then he made good on his threat.
Check this out.
When a police officer inCalifornia stops you from
recording in public, they canviolate two major constitutional

(59:14):
protections at the same time.
First, it's a classic FirstAmendment prior restraint
because courts across thecountry, from Glick to Cuniff to
Turner V Driver, shout out toBatusai, to ACLU versus Alvarez,
have repeatedly held that thepublic has a clearly established
right to record police.
Second, when that unlawfulrestriction comes wrapped in

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threats, intimidation, orphysical force, it becomes a
Bain Act violation underCalifornia Civil Code, Section
52.1, because the officer isusing coercion to interfere with
the constitutional right.
So when a cop says, turn thecamera off or I'll arrest you,
blocks your lens, pushes youback further than necessary, or
uses their authority tointimidate you into not

(59:58):
recording, that's bothunconstitutional, prior
restraint, and a Bain Actviolation.
The law is crystal clear here.
Now let's talk about howaggressive he was.
He put me in handcuffs, the leftone was extremely tight, then he
pulled my right arm up my backafter I was already in cuffs.
You can see my legs shake alittle bit from the pain.
There was no adjusting myselffor a comfortable position.

(01:00:20):
He was pushing me against thecar, holding my right hand as
far up as he could against myback.
And yes, folks, I'm stillfeeling pain from it.
Luckily, the x-rays came backand it's just a sprain.
I was not resisting in any waywhile in cuffs.
There was absolutely no reasonto treat me the way he did.
This guy wanted to hurt me.
He wanted to make me pay forholding him accountable.

(01:00:42):
And if you look closely, you cansee him shove me in the back of
the cruiser, still holding myright hand up, putting pressure
on my wrists from the handcuffs,my wrist.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:52):
Yeah, that's um I I've never been I've always been
trained to hold on to the cuffsor or or the elbow.
I I hate the elbow holdpersonally because I feel like
you can lose control of them,but I've always been trained to
hold the cuffs.
I I don't know.
Did you guys ever get trained tohold on to the wrist and chicken
wing them once they're cuffed?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:10):
No.
I just have little on top numberfirst and foremost, let them sit
down because he wasn't pullingaway or doing anything.
Just let them sit down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:18):
Yeah, like there has to be helps.
Yeah, there has to be some sortof um indicator or you know,
he's tensing up, he's trying topull away something to start
manhandling.
When they're compliant, and andhere's the thing he he knows who
the fuck you are, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:35):
I guess he didn't know who I was, and I didn't
know who he was either.
You know, I spoke I spoke to aprivate investigator the other
day and he asked me certainquestions like Did you did you
ever know of him?
Did you know his name?
Did you know where he lived?
Have you ever been in his housebefore?
I'm like, none of that, dude.
I just I just wanted his nameand badge number so I could file
a complaint.
It could have been easy.
I would have been gone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:55):
So let me give you a pro tip.
Don't film in the street,because a lot of cities have
city ordinances about being in ash in a roadway, blocking
traffic, and that's how they canget you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:07):
California law, California law just changed to
where um uh jaywalking doesn'texist no more, you know, unless
you're actually blockingtraffic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:16):
So but yeah, traffic has to be coming.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:18):
Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
Okay, okay.
So that's that's the caveat.
See, in Texas where I'm at, itdoesn't matter.
If you're blocking the roadway,you that that's a caveat.
They can get you on that one.
So I always tell our community,I'm like, look, you can film,
don't do it from the road.
I'm not gonna bust you on it,but somebody else might go over
the sidewalk, you're good to goall day.
So um, yeah, just just lookingout for you.

(01:02:39):
But if you if it's good to goout there in Cali, then do your
thing.
Um But yeah, and that's thething, is it's the state.
But yeah, I I l I I do see whatyou're saying.
Um he definitely had your youryou know, he was chicken winging
you, basically.
So I don't know.
Another way to call it look likeyou're stripping.
But Matt, I'm gonna let you gofirst, buddy.
What do you got?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
David, where do you think this punishment should
end?
I mean, the guys, it's blatantviolation of your constitutional
rights on under color law.
Um, when are we gonna startseeing like serious, serious
punishment, not suspensions orwhat what what are your thoughts
on that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:16):
Um, I mean, I don't know.
Uh look, here's one thing.
Um, I don't believe that we needto pay for more training, you
know, to train police officerson the First Amendment, the Bill
of Rights, and the Constitution.
Um, in reality, I think uhhiring cops with without even
knowing it is kind of likehiring a um a lifeguard who

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doesn't know how to swim or amechanic who doesn't know how to
fix a car.
It's like we don't need we don'twe shouldn't we don't even have
to throw any more money at thistraining.
Uh-huh.
Make them make them uh know itbefore they even apply for the
job.
At least come with some kind ofknowledge, take a quiz on it.
You know, and and I think uh Ithink if we do that, I think we

(01:03:59):
will start to create somechange.
Um you know I don't know.
I really don't know, man.
I mean, as far as this personalincident with with this with
this uh officer, um it would itwould blow your minds, okay?
The people that have reached outto me.
I'm talking about people thathave worked alongside him,

(01:04:21):
parents.
Um, this guy has a troubledpast.
You know, not not all officersare like this guy.
You know what I mean?
Um some will just say, hey man,you know, you're recording.
Oh, was I speeding, man?
My bad, you know, and you know,I'll you know, I'll slow it
down, I'll keep it, you know.
But this guy, he just took it tothe extreme.
And uh this guy has been violentfor a long time.

(01:04:42):
I have a recent video that wassent to me of him slamming like
a 14-year-old special needs kid.
Um, and from my understanding,you know, there's been
co-workers that have tried totalk to him and say, hey, you
know, just you don't have to bethat aggressive, you know, and
he's more along the lines ofdon't you ever undermine me, you
know, and stuff like that.
And he's extremely problematic.
And and uh, you know, I kind ofI didn't expect any of that, of

(01:05:06):
any of that to happen.
But even when I was inhandcuffs, I wasn't nervous, I
wasn't you know, stressed outwhen I was I can't wait for the
body cam footage, you know,after the investigation is over,
because when he opened the door,I was telling him, like, dude,
you have no idea, you know, whatyou got yourself into, bro.
Like, this is what I do.
I record police and I askquestions, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:24):
And yeah.
Yeah, you well, you did it, youdid it masterfully.
Um, because like you said, youweren't you didn't get
disrespectful, you didn't youyou just stuck to to the norm,
um, which was was great.
Um, there was a question thatgot popped up there.
I wanted to address it.

(01:05:45):
Uh it was East Los Audits said,um, is there a policy saying we
must sit on the floor when beingdetained by law enforcement?
Um I believe that there was aSupreme Court ruling, and I
don't know it off the top of myhead, and I am not a lawyer, but
I vaguely remember some trainingsaying if it's as long as it's
not an unreasonable requestduring a lawful detainment, then

(01:06:09):
yes, they can ask you to dothat.
Um, or they can make you dothat.
Um so it again, uh it's one ofthose things like what do you
want to argue and why you wantto argue it?
If if somebody asks you to sitdown while they're getting three
more people out of your vehicle,that that makes sense, you guys.

(01:06:30):
Um, one of the things I loveabout you, San Joaquin, is like
one of the things that we I askeverybody when we first start
having conversations wherethey're really critical about
police.
I got I gotta know, do you thinkpolice are necessary?
And you and I had mentioned,talked about that before.
You're like, they absolutely arenecessary.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:49):
So that's a that's a great question.
And you know, I speak to the whois who of government police
accountability.
There's a friend of mine, hisname's Jason Bassner.
He's the original police thepolice guy.
He's for years, he's hadmillions of followers on on
Twitter, on Facebook.
This guy is amazing.
All right, and I've been on hispodcast before.

(01:07:09):
And um, he also runs a websitecalled the Free Thought Project.
This guy makes you think outsidethe box.
You know, this guy makes youquestion your own, you know,
your own uh, how'd I say, yourown approach to all of this.
Um, a lot of channels like JamesFreeman, they've all, you know,
they all say, I love Jason.
He's a big mind.
He's he's a great mind.

(01:07:29):
And uh Jason Bassard has invitedme to his home.
He's been to my home severaltimes.
Just an amazing guy to talk to,right?
And your question, do we needcops?
So there is a thing calledstatism uh versus voluntarism,
right?
I've been on the fence becauseyou know, I I still I'm still
kind of a statist where you knowI think to myself, well, we need

(01:07:53):
cops because I don't want topay.
Um, I mean, I I I don't I don'twant to go out and catch bank
robbers, murderers, and killers.
Maybe I'm not trained for that.
Maybe I just have kids that Idon't I don't want to risk my
life to do that or something.
You know, we need cops to do acertain specific job, right?
To catch real bad guys.
Because there's obviously realbad guys out there.

(01:08:14):
But so that that puts me in thein the category of being a
statist.
Somebody of a voluntarist mindthinks to themselves, like,
well, we the people can do thisjob.
We can build roads, we can doall this.
We don't need government, wedon't need cops telling us what
to do.
But I'm still at this themindset of more along the lines
of a statist.

(01:08:35):
Um, but that's kind of hard aswell because when um when you
when you when you are a statistand you pay your taxes and you
pay cops to do this job, youalso gotta pay for them to do
other things as well.
You know, traffic stops.
You know, there is thatargument, you know, should we be
paying or should we be gettingtickets for uh victimless

(01:08:57):
crimes?
I know you guys have heard thatbefore.
Um, so there's like this massiveargument, you know, pulling
forces on both sides of whereare we at and where do we need
to be?
Like I said, I've been on thefence for a long time, but I'm
still of the mindset as I westill need cops to do certain
jobs.
So yeah, I still am of themindset that we do need cops.

(01:09:18):
You know, I'm not anti-police,I'm I never was.
Um, and I just it's kind ofdifficult.
That's a very, very toughquestion when you throw all of
that into that.
And that's why I asked JasonBassett one day.
We're sitting at my kitchentable and we're talking, and I
was like, I have a question,bro.
I was like, um, what would avoluntary society look like?

(01:09:40):
And uh because it just doesn'tmake any sense to me, right?
We're gonna have militias go outand and take care of certain
things.
He says, let me point you in thedirection of a man.
And I every time I think aboutthis, I forget his name.
Uh Dale, Dale Jones, Dalesomething, right?
He was the he was the uh the guywho who who was he kind of

(01:10:01):
started going famous on on likeTikTok and Instagram where where
people would point guns at himand he would just take them
away, point him back and stufflike that.
Like he would just make a turnreal quick and point it back,
and then people started makingmemes of this guy where they
would wake up in heaven.
You know, it's shit's funny, butum he said that guy, um, I don't

(01:10:22):
know if it's Dale Jones orsomething like that.
Uh I'll never when I find theguy, I'll I'll send him to you.
But apparently in the Detroitarea, there was a police
department who was being paid topatrol a certain town, a certain
neighborhood, but they weren'tdoing it.
They were just hanging out onthe outskirts, you know, and
they were just never there.
So that that department wasdisbanded.

(01:10:44):
Well, to this very day, that guyled uh he's actually a real
badass, right?
People are making fun of thisguy, but he's actually a real
badass.
He created a community wherethey're going out to stop
crying, where they go out and ifthey see like uh a teenage girl
walking down the road, they'llwalk her home.

(01:11:05):
You know, they'll make sure shegets home safe.
Like they do things in theircommunities to truly help the
community.
And I'm like, damn, well, that'sthat's pretty powerful, you
know.
Um, so I think about that.
I think about you know,government being statism, being
a statist, and um, do we needgovernment for certain things?
I also think of government ascontracts.

(01:11:27):
Like, how are what contracts dowe have with the government?
We pay taxes, we go to the DMV,we pay for our driver's license.
Other than that, you know,government really shouldn't be
involved in our daily activitiesand stuff like that.
Like one of the things we tellcops when we're out there is you
have no authority over me unlessI break the law.
You know, so you have no power.
I do have an issue with um thenews agencies calling them the

(01:11:50):
authorities because who are dowho do they who do cops have
authorities of?
Until you break the law, I'm myI am my authority, right?
I have the authority to do andsay as I wish, as I please, as
long as I'm not you knowviolating somebody else or doing
something illegal.
So I mean that that questionkind of entails a lot, you know.

(01:12:10):
But I am still I guess I couldhave just answered it with yeah,
yeah, we still need cops, butyeah, man, I just I like a
detailed, I like a well-thoughtout answer, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:19):
You know, I think you did well.
Um, and and and the reason Iasked that question is because
if if they come to the table andlike, no, we don't need police.
Well, you're you're so farextreme one way.
I can't we we're never gonnacome to the table and have a
real conversation.
So uh banning Matt, has thatbeen your experience when you
get somebody that's like, no, wedon't need police at all?
Like it that's a hard, that's ahard view to reach.

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That's a hard view to to to haveany common ground on.
So you need to arrest and faceout the bad ones.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Um, and there's one quick thingthat I do want to address.
Um, because I I am I was anacademy instructor.
So um I'm of the mindset we cannever like more training, more

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training on everything.
So when we were talking about umtraining on the constitution,
it's not that I think you needto pour more money into training
on the constitution, but itdefinitely needs to be in the
academy.
But I do like your idea of itbeing a screening process for
hiring.
Um, because also one of thethings that I want cops to have

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is a grappling background.
I think cops need to have amandatory two years of grappling
because in grappling training,one, you get humbled, you learn
real quick that you are not thebig dog.
Uh, and if you never had yourass kicked, that's about the
safest way you can learn how todie multiple, multiple ways.
And it really shows you whereyou're at in the world.
And uh just like boxing, uh forsome reason, uh T-Rex Arms over

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there likes to box.
So uh stay close.
Yeah, stay close.
He's he's a body shot guy.
You don't want to get hit byMatt's body shots.
But um boxing, well, I I tookboxing up as well, and uh, you
know, Tyson said it best.
Everybody's got a plan untilthey got punched in the face or
whatever was hit in the mouth.
But I think that that needs tobe a prerequisite because

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getting the badge, getting theuniform does present a level of
arrogance and cockiness that Ithink you need for the job, but
at the same time, that can't bewhere your arrogance and
cockiness comes from.
It can't come from the uniform,it's got to come from confidence
in training and knowing you knowwhat you're doing.
I think that's where thatarrogance and cockiness comes
from.
Um, but uh yeah, uh Matt,Banning, you guys got anything

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on the subject there?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:37):
I I think one one thing that we seriously lack is
prior prioritization in uh inall of our training in the
academy.
And I'm gonna use a kind of anuh an analogy.
I'm a man of God, so everythingthat I believe in that that um
that is in my heart and and andum has anything to do with my
actions, it revolves aroundJesus.

(01:14:58):
So everything comes back to himand and what I do, how I act,
the rules that I follow.
I think that should transferright over to the policing world
where everything is about theConstitution.
Like that's where everythingcomes back to.
It it governs us, it controlsus, it it serves the it's there
so um that we don't violate itand it's there to make this,

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it's what makes this countrygreat.
I don't think that's done in theacademy.
I don't think it's I think it'sglossed over, I don't think it's
uh prioritized nearly enough asit should be.
Um, that along with cherishingthe public.
Um, I think from all my trainingand experience, the public is
kind of secondary.
And it's not.
The public is to be cherishedand loved.

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And and I think those two thingsare are are what really need to
be one and two, right top ofevery training, and and
everything should point rightback to it during training,
throughout training, throughoutyour career, and continue
training and and so on and soforth.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:57):
I like that.
I agree.
Banning?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:00):
My whole thing, and you know, excuse my French, is
is don't be a dick as a cop.
I'm just being being honest, youknow right, you know, right
there is is is Jesus centered,and and don't call me a
hypocrite for using the cussword in that as well.
But it's the whole thing of, youknow, I did it for 21 years, and
I've had thousands of trafficstops, and I just wasn't an ass.

(01:16:23):
You know, I got I never hadissues.
Did did did somebody have awarrant and they were just gonna
uh fight no matter what?
Sure.
Uh and just like when I watchedyou getting handcuffed, I mean,
I never once pushed somebody upagainst a car.
I mean, once I grab something,it doesn't go away.
So I can grab it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:42):
He doesn't know how big you are, by the way.
Banning is not that I began to320 pounds of fights bulls.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:49):
But but it it's just it's just the fact of the
training.
We we we can we can we can sithere and blame all this on
training, but it comes from thetop down.
And I've got literally thousandsof chiefs and elected sheriffs
as friends, and they know Idon't mind saying that.
It's not gonna bother me.
I'm not gonna lose any sleepover it.
You are absolutely responsibleas a chief and a sheriff for

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every single person under theroof of that police department
or sheriff's office or sheriff'sdepartment, whatever you're
gonna call it in your state.
For every frigging peace officerthat you have, you are 100%
accountable.
And if you can't have thetraining to where each and every
one of your friggin' officers,dispatchers, corrections,
detectives, everybody are not inline and not doing the training,

(01:17:32):
let them go.
Get somebody in there that will.
Period.
You've got to have thattraining.
You've got to be accountable forit.
I don't care if you've got twomen at your department, one man,
all the way up to severalthousand.
You have got to do that, period.
And 21 years, man, and I justwasn't an ass.
I I think I've asked two people.
I I tried to I try to payattention to these comments, but

(01:17:52):
they come so fast, and I'm justgetting older.
But people ask, you know, thelaws of of sitting down and
crossing your legs.
I think I've had two people sitdown, um, and that's right
before my backup arrived, and Iwas unloading a full automatic
weapon uh that I saw in thepassenger seat, and they
complied.
I asked it as a question, Ididn't do it as a demand, and
they listened.
Um just don't be an ass.

(01:18:13):
I mean, that's just my advice tothe cops out there.
Don't be an ass.
And and you're gonna get a lotmore of what you call compliance
out of what you need done so youcan go home at the end of the
night, and so can the peoplethat you're dealing with go home
at the end of the night, orwhatever it is that needs to be
done, period.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:27):
I've never had anybody actually argue sitting
down.
If I ask them to sit, hey, havea seat.
Nobody's ever been like, Do Ihave to?
No one's ever done that, Iguess.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:38):
It's it's how you compose yourself as a
professional, too.
You're not representingyourself, you're representing
that entire city or county thathas hired you to work.
And if you can't be a freakingprofessional, go to Walmart, go
work, go work stock on theshelves, go work something else.
It's a respectable job, go dosomething else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:55):
Yeah.
Um, okay, so my next questionthat I wanted to ask you, sir,
is um there is there's a bunchof auditors out there now.
Okay.
And um it's probably why it'shard for me because I got in the
game kind of late with auditorsand seeing what they're all
about.
Um uh I've noticed amongst a lotof them, or that I've heard,

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there's kind of like these threedifferent tiers.
There seems to be those that therighteous cause.
I I feel like you're one ofthose.
Um, we've had Long Island auditon here.
I feel like he's one of those.
Um James, is it James Gray?
I always I don't remember.
Jeff Gray.
Jeff Gray.
Jeff Gray.
I always call him James.
Jeff Gray, another one.

(01:19:39):
Um, and then you get some.
I just learned about this, soplease don't make fun of me,
guys.
I just learned about this.
You got some that actually goout and they call the cops on
themselves.
So there's those guys, and thenthere's kind of like uh, you
know, the ones that are outthere that are simply just

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trying to be sensational and andand and nutty.
Now, has that been yourexperience?
What have you seen?
I I feel like the communitywould be stronger if they united
versus having these differences.
And what has been your opinionon that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:18):
Um, that's a great question.
Uh, shout out to Jeff Gray,honor your oath.
He a lot of folks refer to himas the godfather of First
Amendment auditing.
He Oh, is he?
No, well, uh, it's actually aman named Carlos Miller.
He actually coined the term.
He used to be with Pinnock News,for not photography is not a
crime.
Um, I've kind of been around,you know, since the very
beginning.
They say that I'm kind of likeone of the first wave of

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auditors that was out there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:40):
Yeah, they told me you were OG.
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:42):
Yeah, there's only like a handful of auditors that
were before me.
Jeff Gray was one of them.
Um, but I I once gave him thecredit for for coining the term,
but he reached out to me and hesaid, no, it wasn't me, it was
Carlos Miller, but I kind of ranwith it.
Um, I think me personally, um, Itry to keep the original premise
of what a First Amendment auditis or was, um, and that was to

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go and just ask questions withyour camera, go to these
installations, you know, arriveon scene with the camera and
just observe.
And um, and but I guess peopledecided to start doing all kinds
of different stuff where they'reactually recording people eating
and just kind of try to, youknow, get a rise out of the
common folks.
And to me, I was like, I don'treally want to talk bad about

(01:21:27):
anybody personally.
Um, I just want to say like thatkind of wasn't my thing.
I for me, I I felt like I wasgonna keep the original premise
from day one up until now.
And uh, and you know, I I don't,I don't, like I said, I don't
want to, I don't want tobadmouth anyone, but there are a
lot of people that do a lot ofdumb shit, you know, um, just
like in the in police officers,that's why you guys have to call

(01:21:50):
out, you know, cops and theirbad actions.
Um, same thing, you know, wehave to call out their actions
as well as some of the thingsthat they do.
Um, and and I I I I just, youknow, calling the cops on
yourself, that to me is like itjust really didn't make sense,
you know.
Um going and recording privatebusinesses to get a rise out of
people, that didn't really makesense to me.

(01:22:11):
So I was just gonna kind of keepthe original premise, like I
said.
Um, but I do also believe thatauditing has uh advanced, you
know, has we have gotten betterwith what we do.
We're we're getting better at uhrecord requests.
There's a channel, shout out toaudit them, um, who's probably
the best at going out and askingfor records and and getting
crazy videos of you know thisthem not wanting to give you

(01:22:35):
records.
There was another channel out ofuh Washington doing the same
thing, a lot of recordsrequests.
Even myself, I do recordrequests now, and I never used
to do that before.
So we're the the the game isever changing, maybe it's it's
it's expanding, it's gettingbigger.
People are gonna do some dumbshit, and people are gonna do
some really good stuff.
And um, and I try to focus onthe good stuff, uh, keeping my

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original premise as well ofgoing to the government
installations, asking questions.
Now we're going to city councilmeetings, now we're speaking up.
I I went and spoke in Arving,California against the flock
camera systems, and um and I wasnervous.
I was I'm just like my veryfirst audit video, you could
tell my voice was nervous.
And even though I've been doingarting for a long time, when I

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went to go speak at the citycouncil meeting for my very
first time, I was nervous.
And I told a good friend of minewho's actually in here today.
Um, his channel's called We Gota Call.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:28):
Um, one time I told him I just hit him up on there.
Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:31):
Yeah, he's he's amazing.
He's he's a really good friendof mine, made in America as
well.
A lot of a lot of good solidpeople in your angry vet.
Love all you guys, man.
Cody high high roller, thank youall for being here.
Um, yeah, um what was I what wasI going with this?

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:46):
Um being nervous, talking in front of all the
stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:49):
Yeah, right.
Thank you.
Um, I said, you know, in myfirst video, I was a coward,
bro.
You can tell.
And he was like, no.
He's all a coward is when you'reafraid to do something and you
don't do it.
He's all that was bravery.
He's all you were afraid and youstill did it.
And and okay, you know, we allget better at it.
You know, I've spoken at a citycouncil meeting after that, and

(01:24:09):
I wasn't, you know, as nervous.
But, you know, the more wepractice these things, the less
nervous we become, you know, thebraver we become, and the better
we get at it.
Even myself, I've done a lot ofdumb shit along the way.
I there's videos out there thatare now private because it's
embarrassing.
You know, I don't like seeingmyself like that.
So I try to improve along theway and just try to keep the

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original premise.
Um, yeah, I don't know if thatanswers your question.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:35):
I mean, yeah, no, that's that's great.
That's great.
Um, yeah, because what um Iactually got some of these
questions I've been asking youfrom people in our community
that are they love you guys,they love everything that you
guys do.
And they've, you know, Mr.
Billfold's one of them.
I got like most of the stuffthat I'm asking you tonight is

(01:24:56):
is mostly from him because uh Ilove using my audience because
they have a perspective that me,Matt, and Banning can't have.
We're inside of law enforcement.
It's going to be very hard forus to have the mindset of
somebody outside of lawenforcement.
Yeah, we have opinions that areagainst the norm, but if we're

(01:25:19):
going to be honest withourselves, we're still we're
cops.
And our mind, the way we thinkof things is always going to be
slightly different.
And I want people that areoutside of law enforcement.
I want them to keep me humble,to keep me even, Keel.
Um, I grew up in Flint,Michigan.
I I didn't tell you this, butum, it's not very uh it's not
famously known for beingpro-cop.

(01:25:41):
We'll just put it that way.
Uh don't drink the water.
Um, and uh Flint is it's a it'sa hard area.
So shout out to all myFlintstone thugs out there.
Uh Dayton family, what's up?
But um yeah, it's uh it's one ofthose things that I want to get
these types of questions frompeople that really want to know
um that aren't cops.

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So a lot of stuff we're askingis from them.
And yeah, you're definitelyhitting the nail on the head.
So I I didn't want to put you inan awkward position either with
your fellow auditors and stufflike that.
But um somebody had mentionedearlier that even the bad ones,
so I'll put that in air quotes,even the bad ones are still
flexing their First Amendmentrights, and that's correct.

(01:26:24):
So I I want to make it clearkind of how my position is.
There's auditors that drive meup the fucking wall.
I'm like, I don't like the wayyou do it, I hate it, but
goddamn, is it a beautiful thingto watch because you get to do
it.
So that is again, I'm anoptimistic person.
That's just how I'm wired.

(01:26:44):
I'm stupid that way.
Um, it is a fatal flaw of mine,I know it.
But that if if I were to look atanybody that gets irritated and
mad about First Amendmentauditors and gets upset and
calls them frauds, like try todo that in another country.
Try to do that anywhere else.
And they'll rip it.
And that is why one of thethings I do on my channel, and

(01:27:06):
if you did any research, you maysee some videos where it says,
so you think cops do it betterin other countries.
Because that's often thing thatgets put on us.
Well, the you should be likeJapan cops because they all have
black belts in judo.
You should do it like these copsbecause they don't carry guns
and da da da da da.
And I'm like, yeah, but there'sthere's things that they do and
don't do that you're not awareof.
There's a lot of freedoms thatyou have over here.

(01:27:28):
If you tried that there, justjust saying something on social
media could get you put in jail.
So, yes, there are better thingsthat they do.
That doesn't mean there arebetter cops across the whole.
We we got work to do here.
Don't get me wrong.
And I'm not trying to say wedon't.
I wouldn't call out bad cops ifI if we had nothing to do.
Um but I think one of the wayswe bridge the gap with guys like

(01:27:52):
you is one, we do this.
How often do cops do this?
They don't.
We need to be working togetherbecause I think what you do and
the way you do it is a beautifulthing.
And it First Amendment auditorshas firsthand affected my career
because I seen the trainingchange.
I saw that our because where I'mat, our training is like we're

(01:28:16):
very progressive, we're very wayahead of the curve on a lot of
things.
They saw this coming and theywere like, we need to address it
now before it becomes a thinghere.
And we did.
And I'm glad they did, because Iwould have failed, I would have
failed it.
I don't I don't know if youwould have failed it, Matt.
I'm being honest, I would havefailed it because I'd have been
like, oh, you you can't film inthat building, you can't film

(01:28:36):
their computer screens like Iwould have thought that was
illegal.
I needed the training.
First Amendment auditors got methat training, so thank you.
I mean, honestly, that thatthat's that's what happened.
You guys exposed a gap intraining, and the departments
that took it serious, they don'thave those issues as much.
Everybody's susceptible to it.

(01:28:57):
You always have a couple idiotsthat don't pay attention in
class or whatever, but they getweeded out pretty easy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:03):
If you don't mind me asking, David, how many times
have you been in handcuffs doingthis over the years?

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:07):
Oh, that's a good question.
I've been arrested.
Well, this is actually my thirdtime.
I beat the first two cases.
One in Arizona, they put out awarrant for my arrest.
Um, and uh like six monthslater, after the video was
already posted for trespassing,and uh and on my second court
date in Arizona, I was foundguilty.
So um, yeah, I mean, it's Iguess this would be like my oh I

(01:29:33):
mean third time in handcuffs,you know, since I started
auditing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:37):
And see, that the the the fact that you go out
there and and and put yourfreedom on the line to uh
disseminate truth and and holdcops accountable.
Like I I've always I've justbeen in awe since day one.
Like you guys are like heroes tome.
Like who who you very few peoplehave the balls to do that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's just Sean was on heresaying how many he's been

(01:30:00):
arrested a dozen times, and likeman, that that's people don't
talk like that's a small deal.
Being arrested is a huge deal.
And the fact that you're willingto go out there and do it, like,
dude, my my hat's off to you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:12):
Hey, it's it's it's real humbling.
So so thank you guys, thank you,Matt.
Um I'll I'll I'll give I'll givea quick tip of what I do and
maybe why I haven't beenarrested as many times as some
of these other guys.
When I walk up and I'm and I'mrecording, I don't really don't
look at them in the eyes.
I kind of look at them throughmy phone, kind of smiling,

(01:30:33):
giggling, laughing, talking tothem.
I also have a certain demeanorwhen I come up, non-aggressive,
um, but I'm still stern.
I'm non-aggressive, but I'mstern.
Like, what's up, man?
How you doing today?
Stuff like that.
Um, you doing all right, cool,man.
You know, or I'll just give thema quick thumbs up or like a
quick what's up, man, you know,just recording, like, what's up?

(01:30:56):
You know, and they're just likea lot of them, maybe they don't
like what I'm doing, but theysee the way I do it and right
away.
And I think by me looking at mycamera instead of their eyes,
sometimes it makes them thinktwice about arresting me.
I think I think that has savedmy ass numerous times.
So maybe that's a tip foranybody who does, you know, want

(01:31:17):
to record in the future.
Um, I try to give tips along theway on my channel of what to do.
Also, you don't know you don'thave to take every arrest.
You know, I've been told by copslike back up at least 10 feet.
And I'm like, if I don't, areyou gonna arrest me?
I kind of put it on them, youknow, and if they say, Yeah, you
I'm gonna take you to jail, I'mlike, all right, I'm gonna back

(01:31:38):
up a little bit, you know.
But it I understand it has to bereasonable.
So there really in in the in theSupreme Court, there is no stay,
uh there is no set distance.
It has to be kind of reasonable.
So I have had cops tell me to goacross the street, and I'm like,
that's unreasonable.
I'm not doing it.
You know, so I kind of you know,I have to kind of challenge them

(01:32:01):
on that sometimes.
Um but yeah, man, I mean it'sit's uh it's it's kind of tough,
man.
You know, it's it's stillnerve-wracking.
Um the the the uh the adrenalinerush, it it's always there.
Whenever at every every policeencounter, you never know how
the officer's gonna um uh actwith me.

(01:32:24):
So I'm just like sometimes I'mjust like, here we go, let's go.
You know, and I just kind of tryto kind of creep in slowly and
just hey man, like and uh soI've had a lot of lot of
interactions where um I think Ikind of diffuse, you know, a
hot-headed cop sometimes.
There was one cop uh recentlywho uh I was speaking to, really

(01:32:47):
good attitude.
Uh his last name was Alexander,uh Bakersville Police.
Um one time one of his one ofthe other officers.
Was trying to bully me.
And he kind of tapped him on thearm and he's like, leave Malone,
bro.
And you could see the copy justlooked at him and then looked at
me again.
He's just like just kind ofwalked away.
And I was like, that's cool.

(01:33:08):
You know, that's really cool.
A lot of the a lot of these guysdo know who I am now.
All of the agencies here knowwho I am.
A lot of them see me.
I can't go anywhere withoutbeing recognized.
And I also want to touch um,based on one of the things that
you said about jujitsu.
Um, my son, uh, my oldest son,he trains jujitsu and he
actually competes.

(01:33:28):
He does very well.
Um he's also my grandson'swrestling uh wrestling coach.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:33):
If you don't mind me asking, do you know what schools
he goes to?
Like who's his instructors orwhat lineage he's in?

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:39):
Um I know he goes to different a couple different
ones.
I know uh um Rio Bravo, JiuJitsu out here in Bakersfield.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:50):
There's a there's a couple other ones that he goes
to.
Um he likes to roll with a lotof guys.
Um and uh so shout out to myfriend Rice Crispy who's on
here.
He uh invited me and my familyto go to um Colorado, spend time
with him.
And we talked to a coupleofficers, and one of them was
talking about I think he said hewas a blue belt in jiu-jitsu,

(01:34:13):
and uh and how he believes it'simportant.
My son was like, because I guessmy son one of the questions he
likes to ask is do you believeofficers should you know learn
jiu-jitsu?
And uh the office the officerwas like, Yes, as a matter of
fact, I I'm a blue belt, and andmy son was like, that's awesome.
So we had a really goodconversation with that.
And uh so yeah, man, I agree.

(01:34:34):
I think uh all police officersshould have some jujitsu
training.
Um, I think it's important.
Um, and and it is, it's it'sthere's a lot of discipline
that's involved in there in thatas well, you know, um certain
type of discipline.
You know, I I've been to I'vebeen to uh uh a bar where
there's raider fans, okay?
And everybody at the day it'sfucked, it's fighting.

(01:34:55):
But I've been to I've been tobars or places where they're
showing the fights, and you bumpinto somebody and you're like,
uh, I'm sorry, man.
I apologize and like, oh no,it's good, man.
You know, pat you on the backand you know, no, you're good,
bro.
You're good.
There's a lot of there seems tobe a certain type of discipline
that comes with this type ofstuff, with training and being
like involved in the fightworld.

(01:35:15):
You don't have to prove yourselfall the time.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:18):
So one of the things, one of the things that I
like to say is that when you'retrained, especially in
grappling, this is this is oneof the and and Matt will
probably attest to this for theboxing world as well.
When you're trained, you have alevel of confidence.
When you're confident, yourhesitation goes down.
So being confident, lesshesitant, equals safer all

(01:35:41):
around.
And what I and this reallythrows people off when I say
that, but if an officer has tothrow a quick punch for a one
and done, I punch him, he hestumbles, does whatever, but I
can move in and I can cuff, thatis way better than a hesitant
officer who is not trained andthen goes to every fucking tool
on his Batman belt and ends upshooting a motherfucker because

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they were not trained wellenough.
They were hesitant, and thenthey end up going to a higher
use of force.
Now it never looks good,violence never looks good, but
if Matt throws a jab and stunsthem real quick, moves in and
cuffs them, that's way betterthan getting, you know, some
dumbass that didn't take histraining serious and now he's
trying to tase and that didn'twork, and then he moves in and

(01:36:23):
then he he gets tired becausehe's not fit and then he
switches over to a gun.
So, yes, exactly what you'resaying.
When you have that training, youtend and Matt, you tell me like
how many uses of force youreally get into?
That's that's it, none.
I I've been doing jujitsu since06.
Before that, I was doing judo.
Before that, I was doing don'tlaugh, but show to Con karate,

(01:36:44):
which is like a kid thing.
But um, but and then I got intoboxing like four or five years
ago.
So it was kind of my more recentthing that I did.
But I do all this stuff, so if Igot in use of force, I was
ready.
But I did all this training andit gave me a level of confidence
in some sort of aura.
And you tell me because you'reyou're around your your son that

(01:37:04):
does it, and and the people thatare there, they have an aura
about them.
You're like, I wouldn't fuckwith this guy.
I I mean, I know I know hetrains, but if you see them out
and about, there's justsomething about people that
train.
That's why you never hear aboutMMA guys getting into big
brawls, hardly ever, unless theyget really punch drunk like
Matt.
But you know, sorry, I pick onMatt a lot.

(01:37:26):
Always messing with me, man.
Because I'm scared guys, it's myonly defense mechanism.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:31):
It does in all seriousness, it it takes away
your fear, like you you know anduh someone who's not afraid is
is a calmer person, yes, andthat that goes hand in hand with
police work, and let along withsocial skills and be able to esc
or de-escalate everything.
It's it's I've I've I couldcount on one hand in all these
years how many times I've had touse like actual force.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:54):
Every use of school with people, yes, every use of
force I've really gotten intoisn't it isn't me versus some
person, it's they were alreadyfighting with another officer
and I came in to help.
That's usually how it would gofor me.
Um, but you know, and then yougot guys like Banning who
fucking wrestles cows for aliving and nobody messes with
them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:14):
Well, let me just shout at this because we you
know I'm a big harper ontraining.
Everybody else on our panel isis training.
However, let's do a big shoutout to the moms and dads, or
even ones that have lack thereofof the other partner that still
whip their kids' ass when theyhave to, when they act out.

(01:38:36):
Right.
I'm straight up gonna put thatout there.
My parents did not put up withmy bullshit as a young child and
put me in line.
I had an air, you know, Eric andI can go back and forth in the
military.
I was in the Marines myself.
My father was uh an officer.
But anytime I got out of line asa child, six, seven years old, I

(01:38:57):
knew when that belt came off, Idid something.
I didn't listen, something wenton.
So the parents out there, thatis a big line.
I don't care if you're asuspect, a victim, a cop, an
auditor, whatever you are, youare a product, more than likely,
of what came out when you grewup.
Now, you can get better if youcame from a crap household.

(01:39:20):
You may have somebody that fillsin those slots that are amazing
men and women out there thatbecome stepdads, stepmoms,
people to church, whatever.
But those people that bring youto that level, those are usually
people that aren't friggin'assholes.
And excuse my French guys, I Iapologize.
But we do have a parentingissue.
We have a copy.
There's so many issues going on,but thank you to those parents

(01:39:43):
out there that truly payattention to what your what your
kids are going through and youcorrect that stuff before they
come out into society.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:51):
I I tend to agree with that.
I think parenting is a is agreat way to start cutting off
the pass of a lot of the issuesthat we deal with out here.
Um kind of like what Matt's gotgoing on.
He's Matt's nonprofit.
Um, I'm not sure if a lot of youguys are familiar, but he's he's
doing some great things withsome troubled youth that um you

(01:40:11):
know don't necessarily have theparents right there with them,
or you know, like my mom.
She she had to work, um, and shehad to raise me by herself for a
while.
And you know, it's hard to be aparent while your kid is home by
themselves or doing whatever andstuff like that.
So uh I I don't want to I don'twant parents to feel bad about

(01:40:34):
their situations because thereare some parents that are stuck
in a situation that's reallyhard.
But um some of the stuff likethat Matt's doing out there,
it's just it's you know, I Idon't know what your uh
religious affiliates are oranything like that, but you
know, I do believe God'spresence is in what Matt's
doing, and I really I reallylove you for that, brother.
I love what you guys got goingout there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:53):
I gotta send, I gotta send you a video.
We we I brought all my daughtersout and we we took uh
Thanksgiving food all to theneighborhood yesterday.
Wow, it's awesome.
Yeah, we we had a van full, wewere out there all day.
Oh see some of the footage isbut it's pretty cool.
My little ones out there todaygoing into the projects.
Uh it helps them um have aparticular like like uh

(01:41:15):
appreciate yeah like for helpingand the the value of helping
people because it was allsmiles, they didn't want to
stop.
We ran out of food, but theydidn't want to stop, so that was
beautiful stuff yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:41:24):
I love it, I love it.
I love that type of thing.
Um, but yeah, uh let me think.
If there was I let me I want tomake sure that uh you know,
again, I really like ouraudience, and um I want to make
sure that I covered thequestions that uh my buddy
wanted us to ask that is uh nota cop.

(01:41:45):
It looks like we covered themajority of what we were looking
for out of that.
So cool.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:49):
Um let me let me Eric, let me I I just covering
you know Made America's askedseveral times.
I want to know two cops' opinionon muting a body body worn
camera.
That's come across.
Sorry.
I'm sorry, I didn't see it.
Uh it's I I have a major problemwith it.
I I was an officer for many,many years of my life before I

(01:42:10):
got into the supervisory role.
Um, I have never and I was abody worn camera instructor when
the body worn camera came out.
Um, did I know how to mute amic?
Absolutely.
Could I teach it?
Yes.
Did I teach it?
No.
Was it my format on uh what Icould do as an instructor?
Absolutely.
So everybody on my shift didn'tknow how, unless they looked it

(01:42:32):
up themselves, on how to mute abody camera.
If you are called by the generalpublic or you initiate a call
for service as a peace officer,I believe during that call the
entire time, your your visualand your audio cues uh do not
need to be muted or cut off.
And uh I only had a coupleinstances to where I had to
investigate and look at, buttypically it was a battery going

(01:42:55):
dead, which is also an issuethat we had to train on, um, or
something else.
One of my guys did mute when hegot a call from his wife.
Uh further investigationrevealed because the the dash
camera picked up that audio, um,she was pregnant.
There were some issues going on,so I understand why he did it.
Uh we we just spoke on hey, nexttime let's take that call after

(01:43:16):
we get done with this priorityone call because it was a very
serious call that we were on assoon as we get done, or come get
me or get somebody else.
Hey, I got a personal issuegoing on.
They need to be cut from thecall.
Once they cut and bait andthey've cut and cleared from
that call, handle your personalbusiness.
Uh but while we're on this call,all that stuff is is held to the
fire and it can be called intocourt.

(01:43:36):
That's that's Benny's opinion onit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:38):
So it was, I'm sorry, I didn't hear the
beginning part of the question,but is was it our stance on
muting cameras?

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:43):
I like if if an officer would take their
physical fingers, get down hereand mute their whatever body
camera manufacturer that theyhave uh while they're on a call
for service.
That's what the question is, Ibelieve.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:54):
Okay, so I'll give you um I'll give you what my
initial thought on body camerasbeing muted was.
My initial thought on mutingbody cameras, I was like, well,
it makes sense that there'stimes that you should mute it.
Like if I'm in taking astatement at a hospital and
there's you know sensitiveinformation or the doctors
coming in and talking and allthis stuff.

(01:44:14):
And that was kind of my initialstance on that.
I was like, that's so cops needto have the ability to mute
that.
I have since changed thatopinion because of our
community.
We have redaction teams for areason.
So now I am of the opinion weshouldn't mute it ever.
Let the redaction team earntheir money, do what they're

(01:44:35):
supposed to do.
We should not be muting.
That damn thing needs to berecording the whole time during
a call.
And I think the standard shouldbe that I do think cops need to
have the ability to turn theircamera on and off.
One, because the cameras don'tlast the whole damn shift if
they're recording the whole timeanyway.
You don't want to see me goingto the bathroom.
I don't want redaction teamseeing me go to the bathroom.

(01:44:57):
There's so there's there arereasons, you know, to turn your
camera off.
If I'm eating my lunch in thesector, whatever it is, I don't
like I don't need my camerarunning.
So um that's what I believe onthat.
But if I get dispatched to acall, the minute I accept that
call, I should hit, you know,accept on the computer or over
the radio, and then that cameracomes on, or vice versa.

(01:45:18):
I turn it on, okay.
I'm about to accept this call.
Boom.
And that camera does not turnoff until I am done with the
call.
When I get on dispatch or if Iget on my computer and go, all
right, show me, show me backout, uh, available for service.
And um, that's that's how I viewit.
I don't think we should beshutting the the camera on mute
ever.
Let the redaction team earntheir money.

(01:45:39):
So, Matt, what's your thoughts,buddy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:41):
I totally agree.
There shouldn't even be a mutebutton on there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Mr.
Billfold gave me some shit.
He's like, Axon should be heldliable for putting a mute
button.
I'm like, bro, it's a privatebusiness.
You can't tell a privatebusiness what to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:54):
However, anybody can be civilly liable if they fall
under a vendor for lawenforcement.
So you can't, you know, it I getit.
And so I get Bill Bill Fold'scomment on that.
Um, because like I said, I'vehad one or two in 21 years, and
I think that's a pretty goodrecord.
Yeah.
You know, and it's but I'veheard I I I get what these
people were saying on thecomments.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:14):
Yeah.
And if we could only get, if wecould only get corrections
officers, judges, prosecutors,uh whom I'm missing, all these
motherfuckers need to be wearingbody cameras.
If we're listening cops, we'regonna be the we're gonna be the
punching bag.
I get it.
We're the we are the front ofjustice.
That's it, we're the pawns.
That's what really what we are.

(01:46:35):
If we're gonna be honest, we'rethe front face of every bad
policy, bad law, whatever it is.
We are the guys.
We're we're never there onsomebody's best day.
We're there on their worst day.
So we're the punching bag.
That's fine.
We signed up for that.
But damn it, the lot of thesepeople are the fodder for,
they're not wearing bodycameras.
They're not, they're not beingchecked and balanced like they

(01:46:58):
should.
They're, you know, theprosecutors that let some of
these, you know, felons thathave got 40, 50.
Look at that poor woman from theUkraine that came over and got
stabbed to death on that bus.
And that dude had been arrested48, 58 times or some crazy
number.
Them prosecutors aren't gettingit.
Ain't nobody going back, lookingat the cases and seeing how they

(01:47:21):
decided what they decided.
And judges, don't get me startedon judges.
That's been a new project ofmine.
It's finding these judges'rulings are like, I don't like
what you're wearing.
Shut up, get out of mycourtroom.
And I'm just like, how is that ais that a law?
Like, what is this a feelingsthing that we're doing?
You don't like the way that ohmy god, somebody showed me this

(01:47:42):
Siberian tiger recently.
Have you ever seen that dude?
Yeah, he's holy shit.
I the video that I watched, thisman is in court and he is going
off on the judge, and I'msitting there going, I'm I like
my heart's racing for himbecause I'm like, oh my god,
judges are so popular.

(01:48:02):
Like, don't fuck with a judge.
That's the last person I wouldever screw with.
What is the guy?
What does he do?
Oh my god.
Is he an attorney?

SPEAKER_02 (01:48:09):
Cop cop watches already bro.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:12):
This guy got started from like they like raided his
house on accident wrong inimproperly.
Or it wasn't him, they werelooking for somebody else.
And they made this guy go tocourt.
And bro, they they it was likewaking up John Wick.
It was like waking up John Wick.
That is literally what they did.
I will share you the videos thatMr.
Billfold sent me.
It is insane.
This guy went off on the judge,and there was nothing the judge

(01:48:35):
could say because he wasfactually correct.
All the shit he was saying wasright.
It was like um, remember thatmovie Law Abiding Citizen?

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:45):
When he was like, he's like, I string along some a
bunch of uh case law and youfollow it like a dog or like a
bitch in heat.
Like that's that's basicallywhat this dude does.
It was insane.
So yeah.
Um but anyway, let me get backto our guest.
I'm sorry.
San Juan.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:04):
Oh man, this is yeah, it's important.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:05):
This is this fun stuff for us.
But um, I want to get to thecomments.
Do you got anybody in the chatsthat you wanted to uh get on
there?
Let me know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49:14):
There there's a woman, Susan Bassie, who was in
here earlier.
Um, she she works with me a lot.
She is in uh Northern Californiaand uh up there in that area,
but she does like a lot offamily law, so she's deals a lot
with like judging.
She's discovered that there's alot of private judging going on
out here.
There's a lot of uh, you know,there's a lot of people that do

(01:49:37):
a lot of work.
For instance, the guy that justdonated uh power of the people,
his name's Cameron Wilson.
He does a lot of stuff pro se.
He's amazing as well.
Um, you know, Josh, shout out toJoshua Martinez.
Many years ago, this guy waschallenged the judge in court as
well.
Um, you know, and and a lot ofpeople, like I said, this these
things are progressing, thepeople are getting smarter at

(01:49:58):
this and questioning authorityand uh questioning these things.
And you're right, judges need tobe held accountable as well.
Yep, you know, they have what'scalled absolute immunity, you
know, and uh and so so does theDA and even the public
defenders, you know, and andthere's just a lot of people
doing a lot of things.
I also want to give a shout outto my three sons.
My oldest son, uh David Jr., whodoes the jujitsu, he started a

(01:50:21):
channel, he was doing this aswell.
Uh my other son, Nikki, he justhad a baby.
So now I'm a grandpa of threenow, which is amazing.
And my son, who my thank youguys, my son Nate Skates, 282,
who was just in here, heactually started recording with
me in 2017.
He was 14 years old when hefirst came out with me.
He's already an adult, he's 20,21, 22, I think.

(01:50:43):
Um, he's he's already an adultnow.
And you know, one of the thingsI told my boys is I really
don't, I would really want themto live their lives and do other
stuff as well, get jobs, youknow, don't spend your life
doing what I'm doing becausethis is grown folk business.
Yeah, well, I mean, this thistakes a lot out of you, you
know.
This can take a lot out of youas well.

(01:51:05):
Continue to see videos that pissyou off.
Like Matt said, he wanted tokick the screen.
Um, these these things kind oftake a lot out of you as well.
You know, you have to be acertain kind of peep person to
continue to watch this stuff andto continue okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:18):
So hold on, let's let's discuss this part right
here because I think and andMatt and Banning and San Juan,
you let me let me know if youguys are kind of on the same
board with me here.
For what y'all do, I think ittakes that life experience to do
it, to do it right.
Because one of the things that Iworry about with the younger

(01:51:38):
generation is seeing guys likeyou and they're like, I can
fucking do that.
Can you?
Can you?
And again, I'm not trying tostep on your freedom to do so.
You're a grown man, you 18 orolder, go to town.
But I I think there comessomething with that with the the
age and the experience.
What's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:51:59):
I just shared a video on my channel from a
channel called Wichita Audits,and that video is going viral.
Um, and this guy is young andhe's really good.
And he put a judge in check inthe hallway because the judge
was trying to extend hisauthority, his power to the
hallway, and he's like, This ismy courtroom.
He's like, No, that's yourcourtroom.

(01:52:20):
This is a hallway.
And the there was cops therealmost ready to arrest him, and
he kept telling the cops, like,all you gotta do is say I'll be
arrested and I'll leave.
He's like, You guys don't wantto do it.
You got if you guys don't sayit, I'm not leaving.
So the judge ended up gettingowned.
He walked back in, left, and itwas, it's, it's, I'm, I was
embarrassed for the judge.

(01:52:41):
Okay, I'm like, wow, I've neverseen anything like it.
Um, and he's young, from myunderstanding.
He's like, I don't know if he's18 or something like that, but
he's really young.
There was there's a there's astory of a man, uh, a young, a
17-year-old out of New York.
He was a really young auditor.
Nobody really knows about thisbecause his videos were all put

(01:53:01):
on private, and he was actuallykilled by um several different,
I think three different agenciesout of New York.
Onondaga, New York, uh OnondagaCounty, I think, or something
like that, and some otherdepartments.
They knew who he was.
Um, he was a 17-year-oldauditor.
He was really good.
I did speak to him a coupletimes, and then um and then next

(01:53:24):
thing you know, he startedgetting targeted and harassed by
the departments out there.
He ended up putting his videoson private, and then he ended up
getting shot and killed.
I guess his mom called the copson him and and even told him
that he had an airsoft gun.
But when the cops were outthere, um and they've kind of
followed him like into throughthe snow and into like a wooded

(01:53:47):
area, just a whole bunch ofshots rang out.
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,bam, from everywhere, and they
killed the poor kid.
Um, not very many people knowabout the story.
I did do a live stream aboutthis probably about four years
ago.
Um, that live stream went viral,but not very many people know
about Judson album.
Rest in peace, Judson album.
But he was a young auditor thatactually got killed by by
police.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:08):
We we did share one really young one.
Um, he was doing a post office.
Do you remember that one, guys?
We did one where he was in apost office.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:16):
Oh, when the the cop actually came in and did it the
right thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:19):
Yeah, the the cop came in and um the one cop was
like screwing it, or it wasn'tthe cop that was screwing it up,
but the the people inside, thepost office itself was screwing
it up really bad.
And uh, this officer came in.
I mean, if I were to give anexample of how I am in police
work, this guy was the epitomeof how I behave in police work.

(01:54:41):
Um, I don't know that I'd benearly as articulate or as
knowledgeable as him.
I'm not putting myself on thatpedestal, but my demeanor is
like his.
I'm just always a happy guy,pretty much.
And uh that's how this guy was.
It was really cool to watch.
And we we shared that becausethe young, very, very young
auditor, he was right.
He was nailing it.
And um, that's great.

(01:55:03):
But again, like I say, you know,I'm looking at it from a thing
of experience.
I the whole reason we do thischannel, guys, is it's
education.
We're trying to improve thingsall around.
We're trying to improve thingswith law enforcement, we're
trying to improve things withcitizens because, like we said,
the those post office employeeswere wrong.
They didn't know.
But this officer came in and heused that opportunity to educate

(01:55:24):
and and not violate anybody'sright.
It was great, it was a greatvideo, and we think it's very
important on two cops, one donutto share good videos and bad
videos.
I we need, and this is a hardpart for people that are you
know on that kind of the theydon't like cops crowd, share the
good ones so they we haveexamples of cops doing well.

(01:55:46):
We want we want to inspire theright people to do the job.
If we if we can agree that copsneed to be here, let's inspire
the right people to do thepolice work.
And so that's why I think it'simportant to share the good
stuff.
Um and and and call out the bad.
Share the good, explain why it'sgood, and and hope that
encourages better training downthe road for other places.

SPEAKER_02 (01:56:08):
So I was told a long time ago to not share the good
videos because they don't goviral and stuff like that.
But I there's a reason why I puttransparency in my channel name.
I wanted to highlight the goodand the bad.
I wanted there to be an examplefor how to behave, how to
approach this, you know.
Um, and many in many of myvideos where I, you know,

(01:56:31):
highlight other people's videosas well.
Because another thing that Istarted doing uh early on as
well is I realized that um it itwas important to kind of
encourage people to pick up acamera and record and and uh ask
questions and start theirchannels, and I would give you a
shout-out and help your channelsgrow.
I'm known to help small channelsgrow as well.
So I kinda did that um from thebeginning.

(01:56:54):
But I one of the things that Idid was um from the very
beginning is highlight the goodinteractions as well.
And sure, those videos tank,that's fine.
It was never about the clicksand the views for me.
It was always about getting mypoint across, you know, what I
want to present to the people.
You know, if there's a a copwho's like, hey man, you know,

(01:57:15):
you have a First Amendmentright, you know, you you're
you're allowed to do this, andyeah, man, you know, I don't
have any issues with you.
That's what I want to show aswell, because I want these other
cops who have a certain, not youguys, but these other cops who
have an ego or whatnot and wantto violate rights or whatnot, to
have an example of how topresent.
And I think by doing that aswell, along the way, I think

(01:57:36):
that's actually helped a lot ofcops.
And of the question that I ask,I ask every officer that I
encountered, um, if they knowthe First Amendment, the five
fundamental freedoms of theFirst Amendment.
And uh none of them could everanswer it.
And uh recently, probably aboutuh about nine months ago, there
was uh an officer here inBakersfield.
I asked him, and he was like,Yeah, he's a speech, press,

(01:58:00):
religion, assembly, andpetition.
And then he says, uh, and Isaid, Where did you learn it
from the academy or from mychannel?
And he said, Are you SanJoaquin?
And I was like, Yeah, he's akind of pointed at me and I was
like, Yeah, and I was walkingaway.
I was walking away, I was like,I told you guys.
I was like, I told you guys, Iwas like, you know, I'm over
here teaching the cops' name,paying me, you know, but yeah,

(01:58:23):
it's it's it's nice, you know.
In Sacramento, I had a coupledifferent cops recognize me, and
that's like that's like afive-hour drive from here.
And uh, and Sacramento is thecapital of California, right?
And uh there was one officerthat pulled up and he's like,
Are you guys with San Joaquin?
And I was like, That's him.
And he was like, Hey.
And so there was another cop umwho we were trying to get uh

(01:58:46):
some complaint forms at a policedepartment.
Um, before I started doingrecords requests, one of the
things I would ask for is acomplaint form.
Um we're not necessarily tryingto file a complaint on someone,
but um one cop came in therewith the attitude and he was a
supervisor.
And uh he was just like, Oh, Iknow what you're doing, and this
and that.
And I'm like, whatever, dude.

(01:59:07):
He kind of did the walk ofshame.
But another officer that I thatI was talking to, um, he came in
and he was like, Yeah, man, no,I watch your videos and I'll go
in there and I'll try to get auh um I'll try to get a
complaint form.
And then uh he was like, Yeah,there's a couple channels that I
watch.
I watch San Joaquin ValleyTransparency and I kind of waved
my hand and he was like, That'syou, and I was like, Yeah, he's

(01:59:28):
like, Yeah, man, it's nice tomeet you.
And I'm like, Thank you, bro.
So, you know, it's uh I think byshowing the good as well, we'll
also make cops be like, youknow, I can respect this guy's
work, I can appreciate what he'sdoing, you know.
I can respect the FirstAmendment.
This guy is teaching it to me,or it's not making me hate it.

(01:59:48):
You know, it's like I thinkthat's a that's a powerful tool
that we can use is to highlightthe good and the bad.
And you know, that's kind ofwhat I've been trying to do from
the getting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:56):
I agree.
It may not look as sexy.
I get it.
It's not as fun.
We want to see, we want to seepeople screw up.
That's what gets the clicks andthe likes.
We know it.
Um, but damn it, I'm I'm apositive guy, I'm an optimistic
guy.
I like seeing when cops succeed.
I like seeing when anybodysucceeds.
I love it.

(02:00:17):
I think that's great stuff.
We need to share that.
We need to we need to raise thatup, elevate that type of
behavior, you know.
Um, you know, look at Matt, forinstance.
Look at all the protein thatguy's on.
Look how successful the musclesare.
I just sit there, sit there inawe, buddy.
I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00:37):
It's it's it's backwards for me, even though
when I do post the the goodones, they do the best on my
page, actually.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:45):
Well, you don't do it that often.
That's probably why.
Yeah, you don't do it thatoften, like you're we've all got
our own shtick, like you know,and Matt Shtick was you know,
hard nosed, calling it out,seeing the bullshit, and that's
what he did.
And you know, when he does findthe inspiring ones and he feels
inspired to talk about it, I Isee why that that comes up.

(02:01:05):
Now, for me, I was I don't wantto say I was the exact opposite,
but I did show a lot morepositive than I did negative.
And because I started showingthe negative, my algorithms
changed and I started seeingmore.
I'm like, oh shit, this is moreof a problem than I anticipated.
Oh, my computer's doing weirdthings.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:24):
Yeah, I just started off just commenting on what
people sent me, and this is whatpeople were sending me.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01:29):
So yeah, and and now, yeah, that's the other
thing is like now I can't evenkeep up.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:35):
I didn't even know what I was doing doing that.
I'm standing in my closet justwith with with iMovie and no
clue.
I didn't know the etiquette, thetact, I had no clue.
Started putting stuff out.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01:47):
Every once in a while, Matt and I will, or or
even Ben, we'll collaborate andI'll edit for all these guys.
And Matt's like, I need to learnhow to do that.
Yeah, you're doing all right,buddy.
But um, so okay, let's talkabout just auditing in the first
place.
What's the right way?
What's the wrong way?

(02:02:08):
So for me, uh San Joaquin, Iwant to kind of pick your brain.
This is how I traditionallyhandle any auditor situation.
We're gonna get a call, right?
Benning calls in, ring ring.
Hey, this motherfucker over hereis filming me, and I work at the
local bank.
And you're like, oh, okay, I'mnot getting that call.

(02:02:30):
That's going to dispatch.
So now across my computer, mycomputer just keeps me aware.
So now across my computerscreen, I'm gonna get dispatched
to the bank for a person filmingbank and that they're concerned.
When I show up, now I'm hopingthere's other cops out here
listening.
When I show up, I don't I don'tgo to the auditor, I don't go

(02:02:53):
look at him, I go to The personthat made the call to go talk to
them.
Hey Dr.
Levine, can you can you tell mewhat's going on?
Yeah, that guy's out there, he'sfilming me.
He's filming our bank, all ofour customers.
Okay.
Um who's scraping?
Do you guys hear that?

(02:03:16):
We did.
It stopped.

SPEAKER_02 (02:03:18):
Yes, it stopped.

SPEAKER_01 (02:03:19):
Whatever it was.
Um, so I will go to the to thebanker and say, hey, tell me
what were they doing?
Okay, he he's over there, andwhen people drive by, he's
filming them.
Okay, was he doing it from thesidewalk?
Yeah, yeah.
Did he come onto the property?
Well, no, he didn't come out ofthe property.
Okay, cool.
Um, was he threatening anybody?

(02:03:40):
Did he show a weapon?
Did anything like that happen?
No.
Okay.
Um, so he's just out therefilming.
Yeah.
And you're worried he's invadingpeople's privacy, I'm assuming.
Yes.
Okay, cool.
Well, this is a First Amendmentright.
They have the right to filmwhile they're out there.
This is it's protected by theSupreme Court ruling, and I can
pull that up for you if you wantto see.
But a lot of people don't knowthat.

(02:04:00):
And it doesn't feel right whenpeople start filming you.
I get that.
And you are worried that they'regoing to film that privacy, but
people's privacy is on them.
So if they want to protect theirinformation in public, they got
to protect it.
It's not on the police.
So there's nothing I can do tothat guy.
Is there any other thing I canhelp you with?
No, that's it.
All right, ma'am.
Have a good day.
I don't even talk to theauditor.
Guys, I don't talk to theauditor.

(02:04:22):
Banning.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04:23):
Same.
100% the same.
And Eric and I, that's I thinkthat's why Eric and I do uh a
decent job of what we do here.
We don't agree on everything,but that right there is exactly
how I've handled it for severalyears.
I I started seeing auditors2014, 2015 is when they started
kind of coming on scene in thecity that I was in in the Dallas

(02:04:45):
Fort Worth area.
And I kind of got upset becauseI ran into a lot of them.
I'm talking several.
And I would go to a call and Iwould talk to them.
If the auditor came to talk tome, great.
I'd I'd talk to them.
And then finally I was like,well, I want to, I want to be on
this channel.
You know, I'm like, I think Idid right.
And I'd finally reach out tothem.

(02:05:06):
I create a little YouTubechannel where I had like one
viewer and it was probably mywife.
And I'd send them a message.
I'm like, hey man, you youinterviewed me last Monday.
Did and I I saw you put up someother videos on Monday.
Why didn't I see my fat mug onthere?
And they'd be like, Well, man,you you you actually were
amazing.
And I'm like, can can you showthe people?
Uh I want to look.

(02:05:29):
It's like, you know, and thenthey're like, no, dude, you
actually stopped me on a trafficstop last year, too.
And you were you're really cooland wrote me a warning.
I'm like, well, I'm not a bigticket rider, man.
Hey, thanks for the could canyou let your people know?
No, dude.
I'm I'm trying to get people tocommercially invest in me, man.
And you you're not the guy.
And I'm like, oh, hey, what do Igotta do?
And they're like, what do yougotta do?
I'm like, I ain't willing to doall that stuff because that's

(02:05:50):
gonna violate your rights, man.
It's you know, period.
And it's and and I put that backto the training, I put that back
to my parents.
And it's kind of a common sensething that I did for 21 years,
not saying I'm perfect.
There's no cop out there that'sperfect if they say that they
are, they're fucking full ofshows.

SPEAKER_01 (02:06:06):
Yeah, there's there's one other way that I've
handled auditors in the past,and you get the call, same
thing.
We'll go the same scenario,cool.
And I'll get near the scene,I'll be four or five blocks down
the road.
I'll see, oh, there they are,they're on the sidewalk.
And I'll just watch.
And I'll watch and I'll watchand I'll watch.
Ten minutes go by, 15 minutes goby.

(02:06:28):
No, he ain't doing anything.
All right, let me call theperson that called.
Hey, this is Officer Levine.
Uh I almost I almost went intomy my normal, I almost said my
agency because that's what Iwould say.
Um, I would have said, you know,this Officer Levine.
Uh, you know, can you can youkind of tell you were the
caller?
Can you kind of tell me what wasgoing on?
And then same thing.
All right.
Well, we've been observing himfrom here, you know, we're not

(02:06:49):
seeing anything.
Uh, do you got anything else?
No, okay.
Um, and and that's it.
Boom, call cleared.
And I didn't even have to getout of my car, guys.
Like I could just be staying inmy nice cool car because I'm in
Texas.
It's always hot.
So that's that's that's twodifferent.
I just gave officers out therelistening, just gave you two
ways to handle it.
Saying, is there anything that Isaid that you think is wrong or

(02:07:10):
I should fix, or that we couldadjust from that?

SPEAKER_02 (02:07:14):
Me personally, I think that's that's uh that's
amazing.
You know, I I've seen cops kindof do what you what you've done.
Now we're starting to seedispatch say, well, ma'am, he
has the First Amendment right torecord in public, and they don't
even dispatch the officer out.
Um, but I I'll say this I haveseen cops do exactly what you
just stated, where they just gotalk to the people and educate
them and then come back out andsay, Hey man, I let them know

(02:07:37):
you guys are welcome to do this,man.
You guys have a great day, youknow.
I love that, dude.
I I I love seeing that.
I love seeing cops come up witha great attitude and say, You
guys have a first amendment, youguys keep doing what you do,
you're allowed to do it.
You know, just don't step on theproperty.

SPEAKER_01 (02:07:53):
You're gonna get shit from other auditors just
for saying that.

SPEAKER_02 (02:07:57):
Yeah, I mean I mean, I think uh for the most part, a
lot of auditors and a lot of thepeople that support, you know,
mouth, they kind of agree, youknow, with that, with uh, you
know, they do want to see goodcops, you know.
A lot of a lot of the peoplethat support me and have been
supporting me for a long time,they know what I show.
They know I show the good, theyknow I show the bad, they know I

(02:08:17):
fist bump and shake hands.
I was told uh, you know, by someof the channels before me that
they were like, don't shaketheir their hands, man.
Fuck that, don't shake theirhands.
And I'm just like, I'mdifferent, bro.
I I'm not gonna do that.
I'm gonna I'm gonna fist bumpand I'm gonna shake hands when
they treat me with respect, youknow, and and uh and it I've
been like that from the verybeginning, man.

(02:08:38):
Like I, you know, like I said,when I first started, I was kind
of an asshole, but I was I sawsome videos of myself and I'm
like, no, I'm gonna change itup.
That's that's not me, dude.
That's not that's not evenreally me.
I don't want to really create apersonality.
I just want to be myself, youknow, and uh so I like the good
and the bad, and and and you'reright, man.
I I we do like seeing cops dotheir job correctly and come in

(02:09:00):
and but I do I do I would liketo see cops come up to the
auditor more often and say, hey,you know, hey, you guys are
welcome to do that.
You know, you guys have a greatday, whatever.
Okay, so we do see that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09:12):
That's good feedback to get because for me, I I I
would think that the auditorsthey want me to do my job and
know that I have no right tocontact them.
So that's for me, I was like,I'm not even gonna go over there
because I want them to know thatI know where my place is at and
it's not with you because you'redoing your thing.
I why should I intrude?

SPEAKER_02 (02:09:33):
Um but uh that's reasonable, makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09:37):
Yeah, that's good to know.
Um, I want to get to East Law'saudit's question because we've
answered this a bunch of timeson here.
Um, have you have you have anyof you reported bad cops to your
supervisor?
Um, one, I am a supervisor now,and I have busted cops.
I have in my career havearrested four cops.
It's not a brag, it's justthat's what it's happened.
I work for a major city.

(02:09:58):
There's like 1.2 million peoplewhere I'm at now.
So um I want this is uh uh justa perspective.
It's I'm not making excuses.
This is just my own personalperspective I want to give you
guys.
At my department alone, everysingle year that I've been here
for the last almost 15 years,um, because I've been at another
agency before this, but everyyear that I've been here, at

(02:10:20):
least one.
There's been multiple on severalyears, but at least one officer
has been fired, charged,arrested every year.
Cops are being held accountable.
You're just not hearing aboutit.
Why?
Because it's not sexy.
If it doesn't bleed, it don'tlead.
Nobody gives a shit about copsdoing the right thing, they only

(02:10:40):
care when they're not.
So I see it all the time.
Now, this is just me.
It doesn't mean it's happeningeverywhere.
And I fully admit that.
I'm not trying to say, oh, copsare held accountable at every
single place.
I mean, look at your Cavio guy.
That guy needs to be heldaccountable.
We don't know if he has been.
Um, and we don't know if he willbe.
He might not.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10:58):
Who knows?
I have arrested local, meaningmunicipal, okay?
I've arrested county, I'vearrested state, and I've
arrested federal.
And that's not something you puton your resume.
Wow.
Now, is that something I'm proudof?
Absolutely not, because thattarnishes the badge.
But if it happens in front ofme, your ass is going to jail.
And I don't give a shit what'saround your neck, I don't give a

(02:11:20):
shit what's in your pocket.
I took an oath.
Period.
And and this this kind of shitdrives my blood pressure up.
And it's not huge numbers, butif it happens in front of me,
your ass is going to jail.
Period.

SPEAKER_03 (02:11:32):
So Matt, what about you, buddy?
Absolutely.
I've reported bad.
I've raised my right handagainst in the past.
I've um, yeah, and I'll be gladto do it again.
I felt no, I I felt no shame.
Whatever, I'll throw you underthe bus and then run you over
with it if you're a bad cop.
Making my job harder.

SPEAKER_01 (02:11:50):
Yeah, I'll tell you the the the one that stuck with
me the most was um I had a hitand run accident.
I was working.
I get there, 14-year-old girl inthe back seat.
They got T-boned.
Um, I'm assuming drunk driverright from the get-go, just
because of what had happened,the time of night.
14-year-old girl got her femurbroke in the back seat.
So I get there and I'm searchingthe abandoned car, and what do I

(02:12:12):
find?
A bunch of detective cards.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Detectives get their ownbusiness cards, right?
And I'm like, oh shit.
So now the hunt's on.
We we assumed because even whenyou got in the car, you could
smell alcohol.
Like it and he wasn't in there.
So that's how bad he was.

(02:12:33):
Manhunt was on.
We had we got the helicopterinvolved.
We went towards this dude'shouse.
Um, he ended up getting pickedup.
He called a buddy and said,Don't ask me any questions, just
come pick me up.
And his buddy did, which I'm notgonna lie.
If one of my friends said, Don'task me any questions, come pick
me up.
I'm like, All right, bro, let mecome get you.
What's up?
Are you good?
You getting, you know,especially military and cop

(02:12:55):
world.
I'm like, making sure they'renot suicidal.
Yeah, I got you.
Let me come get you.
Um, but uh yeah, he got he wentto prison and uh his buddy got
fired um from the PD.
So that that's the one thatstuck with me the most simply
because you left a little girl.
You know, I've got I've got a14-year-old.

(02:13:15):
She's about to turn 14 in like aweek or two.
But um yeah, like that shit.
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I don't give a fuck.
And if you're a cop, you shouldbe held to a higher standard.
I say that a lot on here.
Mr.
Bill Fold always busts me.
He's he doesn't like that I saycops are held to a higher
standard, but to me, they shouldbe held to a higher standard.

(02:13:38):
So I hold them to that higherstandard.
Um, yeah.
But all three of us on thispanel have it's not again, it's
not a bragging thing, guys.
I I'm not proud that I've if youdid wrong, you do justice is is
is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13:53):
The last thing we want to see is somebody tarnish
the badge, but they if they doit in front of us, they're
they're done.

SPEAKER_01 (02:13:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:00):
And usually if you have a good judge and a good DA,
they're gonna do the same.
They're gonna they're gonna aimfor the friggin' sky like they
should, because those people,when they're on duty, are out
there to protect the rights ofthe citizens and protect life
and property in that order.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14:17):
And if they're not out there doing that and they're
out there acting a fool, pieces,you know, you're you're gone.
You see ya.
Let's let's build a new jail.
And here's where we're gonna laythe concrete out, and this is
where this SOB is going, andwe're gonna lay him in there,
and he's gonna be a great pieceof rebar.
Uh, if you're doing that kind ofstuff, do not tarnish my badge.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (02:14:36):
I've arrested military members.
I here's another one for you.
On moments that I can't arrestyou, or let's say I did, both,
whether I can or I can't.
If you are making the uniformlook bad as a military member,
I'm still in the military.
I figure out who your firstsergeant is, or your I don't

(02:14:56):
know what you guys call it inyour other branches, but your
administrative sergeant.
I figure out who it is, and I Itell them all about what you
did.
And that is a worse punishmentthan you'll ever get from the uh
the justice system out in thecivilian world.
But um speaking of punishment, Ijust got the two-minute warning.
Uh-oh, to Neil speaking, youguys don't know this, but this

(02:15:18):
man is a kept man.
We are over our two two-hourmark that we normally go, but we
had a special guest tonight, andI want to make sure he got
everything he wanted out.
So um, San Joaquin, uh, anythingelse you want to get out there,
brother?
We've been going for a while.
I don't want to take up all yourtime either.

SPEAKER_02 (02:15:33):
Um, maybe this, I don't know if this will help
cops or future cops that areplanning to go, you know,
through the academies orwhatever, but there was a, and I
know Rights Crispy, you hadmentioned this on your um Rogue
Nation, good to see you as well.
Um, there's a a a uh federalcorrectional officer that we
that loved our channel and weinterviewed him and he became a

(02:15:54):
friend of ours.
One of the things that I thinkhe said that was profound um was
the fact that when he started,he told everybody, I'm one of
those cops that'll turn you in.
So whatever you're doing infront of me that's bad, don't do
it.
Don't do anything around mebecause I'll arrest you or I'll
turn you in.

(02:16:14):
And uh he said that thatactually helped him throughout
his career because if theydidn't want him around, they
would move him usually to ahigher position, you know, and
get him out of there.
And uh he said that that hefeels like that protected him
throughout his career because hejust didn't want to be around
anything bad that anybody wasdoing.

(02:16:35):
And uh maybe if you're anofficer planning to become an
officer, uh maybe you can tellthat to, you know, everybody in
the locker room or you know,your supervisor say, Hey, if
there's something bad going on,I will turn them in.
So make sure you don't do it infront of me.
And I think uh, you know, maybemaybe that can help.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16:55):
I agree.
I like that.
I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (02:16:58):
Wonderful, wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16:59):
Yeah, if you guys um I want I want people to know
where they can find you, sir.
So I actually I have yourchannel.
I believe this is your no,that's not you.
I know I got it here somewhere.
There we go.
I want to share your share yourYouTube channel.
Um, please make sure you guys golike, subscribe, follow all that

(02:17:23):
stuff at his channel there.
Um I think this has been a greatlittle podcast we did here
tonight.
Uh 100%.
Uh your your crowd, great crowd.
Somebody brought in some crazytrolls from something D.
I don't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17:39):
But um the guy used to be a cop watcher, and he kind
of got like he was arrestednumerous times for his antics,
and he just kind of starts goingafter all the auditors now and
stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:17:51):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I knew something was up,but you know what?
You you're I I say you'restarting to do something right
when the trolls come out.
So um thank you very much, sir.
Uh very humbling to haveanybody.
It takes a lot of guts to comeon here knowing you're about to
talk to three cops.

SPEAKER_00 (02:18:07):
And uh especially here's line is uh we all wake up
every day or night, depending onwhere you work, and we all put
our pants on the same way.
There is nobody better thananybody in our room, and we
appreciate you taking the timeuh to come bless us with your
presence.
So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (02:18:25):
Yep, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 (02:18:26):
It's been a it's been great to meet you, man.
You're the OG to me, and uh Ialways hold you way up here,
man.
I was super excited when I heardEric got you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 (02:18:34):
Thank you guys, man.
And I uh I I'd love to have youguys on as well on my channel on
a live show.

SPEAKER_01 (02:18:39):
100%.
Hell yeah, brother.
That'd be fun.
All of us at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 (02:18:43):
And and we we we can take it, man.
If they if they want to deal itto us, it's yeah, it's it's no,
it's no sweat off of us, man.
We'll we'll come and representthe best that we can, and we're
here for the community, andthat's what we're all here.
If you look at what we're alldoing here, it's for the
freaking community, it's for ourfreaking amazing country.
People may say, I hate America,may hey, whatever.

(02:19:03):
We're here for everybody,period.

SPEAKER_01 (02:19:05):
Yep.
One of the things that we wedon't do, we don't, we don't ban
people, we don't delete themsimply because they don't like
cops or whatever, and that'swhat makes us a little
different.
And I think what we've been ableto do over time is those that
absolutely hated cops and cameto troll, they end up switching
their mind.
They're like, okay, let me givethem a chance, and then the next

(02:19:27):
thing you know, they'readvocating for us, which has
been great.
Um, and that's why I was callingout Mr.
Billfold.
He's like one of the originalpeople that came up and was
calling us out on some bullshitthat we were saying.
And it wasn't that I was rightand he was right or whatever.
It was just we had a differenceof opinion, but we let him say
it.
We didn't try to prevent himjust because we don't want an
echo chamber.
So um, but no, very muchappreciate it.

(02:19:50):
Everybody out there in theaudience, thank you very much.
Make sure you guys go check outMatt Thornton's page.
Make sure you guys go checkbanning out on LinkedIn.
Um, like, subscribe, follow, doall that stuff.
Everybody else, um, guys, if youcould stick around right as I
end this, but everybody outthere, thank you for joining us
and take care of it.
Appreciate it, though.

SPEAKER_02 (02:20:06):
Thank you, thank you guys as well.

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