Inside the Badge: Training and Transparency

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I am your host, Eric Levine.
Tonight I got with me the great, the wise detective, Matt
Thornton.
What's up, brother?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You ain't got to lie to him.
Man Honored to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I love the show, I love everything about this Hell
yeah, bro, got a lot of goodthings coming down the pipe, so,
uh.
And then our special guest, um,we have kat clark uh on
instagram.
You can follow her at up dot ny.
No up dot I n n dot n y.
So up in new york is what itstands for, right yep, that's

(01:23):
right how are you doing tonight,ma'am?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I'm doing pretty good , doing pretty good, ready to
get into this.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Hell yeah.
So you're new to the show newformat and all that stuff.
So everybody here is kind of anestablished audience, so to
speak.
We may have some new people onhere.
You may have brought some ofyours over here.

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So everybody that alreadyfollows kat and they joined over
to us like, we appreciate youbeing here.
Uh, we would love for you tohit that like subscribe, follow
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Please find kat clark um andfind her instagram.
Find her, uh, tiktok um up dotin dot ny.
You'll find her there, uh, andwe'll even type it in the chat.
But make sure you guys find her, follow, like subscribe, do all
the things the kids say thesedays and follow along with her.
But, kat, I'm going to leavethe floor to you.

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Kind of give everybody anintroduction who you are, what
you do.
Everybody knows you're a cop,but I'll let you be in on the
specifics of that.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
So I am Kat Clark.
I'm obviously an officerBasically.
What people don't know about meis what I show through the
Instagram.
It's the creative side of mejust trying to connect to
everybody, give everybody a goodlaugh and relate to the
audience.
That's all.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Gotcha.
Okay, very cool, very cool.
How long have you been a cop?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Seven years now.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, you just passed the rookie phase.
I like it.
Okay, Now in your policingexperience.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
what section of the nation are you in?
So I'll just be up front.
I am in New York.
It's up in New York, Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We'll leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Fair enough, and so you're dealing with the Colton.
I am from Michigan originally.
I am now a cop down in Texas.
I was a cop up in Michigan.
I was also in the Air Force asa cop in Montana, so I'm done
with the cold, I'm done with it,so I'm out.
But Matt, however, is a gluttonfor punishment.
And how many years you been upthere in the Chicago?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
area.
I've been here my whole lifebut've been uh, in the outside
freezing as a cop for this, my21st year oh, there's nothing
more terrifying than well.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now it's a little different.
Technology has changed, butback when I was, especially a
young officer, out in the coldyou're wearing those thick ass
gloves, but you're like what ifI have to draw my gun?
and you gotta get those moonfingers through to your stuff.
So you're like, well, maybeI'll try, like my gun, and you
gotta get those moon fingersthrough your stuff.
So you're like, well, maybeI'll try like the mittens with
the, the fingers that come offthe top, and so you're like I'll

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try those, and that never quiteworked right either we'd have
made fun of you too hard forthose right yeah, I was trying
everything.
I was just trying to.
You know, I was a.
I grew up hunting and fishing,so I like had all that and I was
like let me convert it over seeif it works.
Um, there's a reason.
Nobody else was using it.
I'm just, you know, rookieofficer thought I could figure

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some shit out that nobody elsecould figure out, and I was
wrong.
Literally what you had to do isjust wear baseball gloves like
everybody gloves or 101 handwarmers in your pockets yeah,
the cargo pockets are full.
Oh my gosh, right those dayswhat my guys have these days are
electric hand warmers.
They got these like they chargethem on their computers and are

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on their in their cars and theyjust uh, they're crazy hot like
I'm like, oh my god, these aregreat.
But they lose them a lot orthey get tactically appropriated
.
You know cops, a bunch ofthieves.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
There's only one way to combat them thievery and
that's to steal back.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, guys, there's one thing you need to learn
about police officers is somehowin their brains it's not
stealing when it's all your boysthat you work with, or girls.
It ain't stealing becausethey've taken your food.
They've taken.
You don't leave anything in thefridge because it's either
going to have mold on it orthey're going to steal your food
and eat it.
So there's those two things.

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And then don't leave anythingin the gym.
You'll lose your gym equipment.
Cops are thieves.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I was big on flashlights man.
I had like four flashlights.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
None of them had my initials on oh no, geez, like my
cuffs all had my badge numberin them, like I made sure I
engraved that cat's like yo youlend them for one prisoner.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
You're never gonna see him again I'll forget it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah so what do you get out there,
cat?
Do you guys ride one man,single car?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
oh, it's double cars okay yeah, yeah okay, fair
enough.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Um, now I've already warned cat about y'all in the
audience.
So for the first time on theshow, ease into it, please.
Let's leave qualified immunitywe'll get to it they love.
Let's leave qualified immunity,we'll get to it.
They love qualified immunity.
They love talking about it.
They don't love it.
But just relax, we'll get there.

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Tim's in the audience, we'regoing to keep going back and
forth to the chats and stufflike that.
If you guys have questions forKat'll, we'll pop them up there.
Um, I do not have, uh, I don'thave alan with me tonight
moderating.
So I'm going back to old schooland I will be doing everything
uh, because I can't see any ofthe comments.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Usually I do.
Oh, you can't see any of them?
Nope, they're not up on theboard right now.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
No, there's nothing on mine it's probably a button I
hit but so I see them on bothscreens.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, okay, fair.
So it's you, tim.
You've hidden your chat somehowyeah, something like that you
can't see.
That's so funny.
It's always you anyway.
Um guys, this is what happenswhen you get old people on your
show it's her fault.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
She's supposed to be watching me and monitoring me,
Tennille.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
He's yelling at his wife.
Oh man, there we go.
There's Timmy, what's?

Speaker 4 (07:16):
up.
Oh, I can see it now.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Now you can see it.
Yep, what happened?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I don't know, timmy, just popped up.
What's up, tim?
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Timmy just popped up.
What's up, tim?
Well, I think he's seeing thebig pop-ups, because I saw the
big pop-up over here and thenthe small one.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, there's one on the side that you should be able
to see everybody's chat comingup.
You can't see that.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Mm-mm.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
That's okay.
As long as they pop up here,I'll be good.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Here, I'll do this and then I'll do this again.
Can you see him now?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I don't know what.
I hit man.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Tennille, save your boy.
Uh-oh, we already got aquestion for you, kat.
How's your ground game?
What's your jiu-jitsu like?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So I have a little bit of knowledge with it.
I'm honestly pretty good for mysize.
I'm underestimated a lot, I'lltell you that much.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, you get tested a lot out there.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
So not necessarily, but what I'm saying is, when I
have practiced, I've beenunderestimated and people think
that I can't put them down, andI do.
So men usually that do trainwill say oh, you can't do this,
you can't do that, andunfortunately I proved them
wrong and I haven't.

(08:32):
I haven't not proved someonewrong yet.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Are you actively training?
Okay, I've put out a lot oftimes, I think, cops, I think it
should be mandatory that webecome blue belts minimum in
Brazilian jujitsu.
Um, I will be a lifelong purplebelt.
I just cannot stay consistentenough just because of my hectic
lifestyle and schedule.
But, um, I think blue beltminimum it's it really.

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You can get that done as infast.
It just depends on how muchtime you invest into it.
Um, if you're going four to sixtimes a week, you can get it
done like six months to a year.
Now I would still suggest youcontinue to train Like you
shouldn't stop training.
But if, if blue belts the marklike you get a lot of good
experience rolling that much, um, and and everybody that is

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familiar with law enforcementknows 100% of non-compliant
arrests go to the ground.
So every time they start toresist or don't listen or
whatever, they're going to theground.
Unless you're Matt and you justyou got them hands.
You know how to serve up thattwo-piece.
I got this.

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Now Don't want to use those.
Matt is a boxer or ex-boxer.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
at least you shouldn't be boxing at your age?
No, no, my wife.
I wonder if they actuallyoffered me one last fight, babe,
come on.
She said no.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
No, she's saying no, I'm saying no, you don't need me
doing this.
You want CTE forever?
Jeez, country Girl said thatsmoke wagon really cuts into
training.
Huh, eric, yes, it does.
As a matter of fact, I amdrinking some of the younger for
a smoke wagon tonight.
They are not a sponsor of ours,but maybe one day you know who

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is hopefully watching tonightthat I talked to the owner of
Retro Rifle, which I am sportingone of their shirts tonight.
Ten extra points.
If you can guess what moviethis shirt came from.
I'll give you a clue, denzel.
So you got to figure that shitout.

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So, kat, what we normally do onthe show is we'll bring up a
topic.
So I'll usually let everybodyin the audience kind of hit me
up.
Somebody already gave me atopic while we were prepping I
think it was Country Girl gaveme the January 6th pardons.
She wanted to kind of discussthat.
So I was like, okay, we can getinto that, because even though

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it kind of touches politics, weavoid politics like the plague.
But this one directly affectspolice officers and it was
involving police officers.
So we can chat about that.
Just, everybody in the audienceknow that we're not getting
into the president or the newpresident.
We're not doing any of that.
We're going to specificallystay on the policing side of

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things.
Jesus is King says.
I am a retired police officerand no way you're going to get
that blue belt in 18 months.
It just depends on who you are,sir.
It depends on your athleticprowess.
If you recall now, I've beendoing jujitsu since 06.
Um, there is one that theycalled the prodigy and that was

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bj penn.
He got his black belt in threeyears.
So he was good, he yeah, andthere are people that are
phenoms that can just that, justhave an athletic ability.
If're a prior wrestler, you caneasily get your blue belt in
that amount of time.
It just depends on how muchtime you put on the mats.
I lived right by my gym.

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I was there every day and Ididn't have kids, so I got my
blue belt really fast.
So DeleteLaws says two yearsminimum for blue belt.
It just depends.
Again, that's not true.
He said sorry, sergeant, youdon't know what you're saying.
I would challenge that directlyas a person who is a certified

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Gracie survival tacticsinstructor, as a person that's
been rolling at multiple gyms inmultiple cities and done a ton
of different things.
There's a whole bunch of placesthat you could easily if you've
got the athletic athleticability some people you said,
you said delete laws, said thatyeah delete laws.
He's going off he oh, that chili, that's.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's my dude.
Yeah, I love chili.
Chili's a grappler.
Chili, chili's a grappler,that's fine that's fine, I'm I'm
not.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I don't know anything about the, the progression he
said, he said I'll grapple you,bro, say when okay, fair I'm
gonna set it up, we'll set it upand we'll come down the dfw
area.
I'll roll all day long, you'lltell you can tap me 18 times.
What are you gonna prove that?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
If that's your point, then you don't know.
Jujitsu.
It tapping people that doesn'tmean you win, bro, that doesn't.
That doesn't mean you don'tknow what you're talking about
means you lost.
That's the the beauty ofjujitsu you roll, you tap, you
start over it's controlledtactical ground hugs.
So I've been grappling since Iwas seven.

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Okay, so of bears, what's yourpoint?
This isn't a dick measuringcontest.
Cool, you've been grapplingsince you were seven.
Awesome, I've been breathingair since I was born.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Chili's experience.
Let's set that one up he goes,nah, I'm just messing around you
ain't gonna get us rattled up,chili.
I'm gonna call you.
I'm gonna call you tonight.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Brother, chili's a great dude, he said just funny
with you, sergeant, that ain'twhat he was trying to say.
He's trying to say fucking.
That's trying to say fucking.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's cool.
I love that dude.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Now, kat, in your policing have you gotten any
sort of knockdown drag out?
You ride two men, so that's ahuge benefit safety-wise.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, most recently I had somebody take off on me, go
over a fence, continue go overanother fence, and at that point
it was just me and him.
So I had to rip him off thefence and he would not stop, he
wouldn't give me his hands.
Um, at that point we were onthe floor, it was what it was.

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But, um, then had my partnerrun through a fence and you know
other guys as well come throughthe fence and we took him into
custody.
But like, yeah, there's,there's been a few of those okay
.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Now, when you were grabbing him off the fence and
stuff, um, what was goingthrough your mind?
How big was the dude, all thatstuff like when you grabbed a
hold of him.
That that tells a lot for us aspolice officers, when we get a
hold of somebody, of what we'regetting ourselves into, because
I've grabbed a hold of peoplelittler than me grab their
wrists and I knew right away ifthis guy starts to resist, I'm

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in trouble.
Like they got a level ofstrength that I don't have.
So was that your?
Did you have that thought whenyou were grabbing a hold of him?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
So anytime somebody runs, my question is like for
what reason are you running?
Is it just because you don'twant to be in custody?
Is it because you havesomething on you?
Are you carrying a weapon?
All these things are goingthrough my head and when he
turns to fight and swing, I'mthinking to myself okay, is this
just a fight?
If it's just a fight, it's nobig deal.
You, you get hit, you continuegoing, you, whatever.

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But I'm looking for handswearing leaves and it's a lot of
slipping all over the place.
But you know you do your bestto like get it together and you
know.
Thankfully other officers wereright.
There was one, two, three, butthe man was a little bit bigger
than me, but not too much biggerthan me.
But by the time he was takeninto custody he looked at me and

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was shocked that I was able todo what I did.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Delete Laws said womenshouldn't be cops.
Kat, you seem like a niceperson.
If you grab me, I toss you onyour head.
I've always held this positionwomen being cops.
I told you they were going tocome after you.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
This isn't anything new that I'm hearing.
It's always these guys thatturn around into the body camera
and they're like, oh my God, Ican't believe that happened, or
I can't believe you did that, orI can't believe you caught me.
So it's usually the guys thatrun their mouth.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
And I think a lot of times they think we're just
going to um, we're talking abouta straight up fight and that's
not what we do as cops.
Matt what you thought on usfighting I.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I never really considered it a uh, a fight as
far per se, because it's it'sdifferent rules.
My, my, my objective is to notinjure anybody, is my objective
is just to take you into custody.
I've been in so many knockdowndrag outs that people try to
take my head off, but I've neverchanged my goal.

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My goal is to control yourwrists and to take you and wait
for someone else to come,because it's always 99% of the
time you get on the radio and wecan just take this person into
custody.
But you do need some skills youneed to be able to have.
I mean, there's, if you'venever been, the number two top

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things in fighting is to breatheand move, and that's what
people, that's the basics thatyou need to realize.
A lot of people that you'll seethese videos of these officers.
They'll tense up or they gasout in a second.
They don't know what they'redoing.
It becomes a push-pull contest.
You got to understand tacticsand, like, have been studying it
.
Um, what I've found is isthere's certain people on the

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street that I, that we know arefighters around.
There's a lot of fightersaround in my city, so you know
what you, who you're dealingwith, but I'm not looking to get
in any jiu-jitsu matches.
No, it's strategized.
It's obviously good to havemore than one there, but my main
thing is we're trying to dothis like a professional and I

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don't want to hurt anybody.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Right.
What I'm getting at is, if Iknow I'm going into something
where I know I'm going to haveto go hands-on.
And let's say, I'm goinghands-on with you, matt, and all
of a sudden I see you drop thatright leg back and then take
this stance, not like this shit,not none of that or any of this

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, but a legit fighting stance.
I'm going to go oh shit, heknows what he's doing.
Like, you're gonna see, you'regonna recognize.
So for me, like you said, I'mnot here to fight, yeah, so I'm
gonna step back, I'm gonna takeit up.
There's nothing wrong with with,with stepping backwards and
waiting or waiting, yeah, if Igot time, distance, you know an

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opportunity to, to get back anddo that.
That's the three variables,guys time, distance and
opportunity.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yep and I've been in that situation a gazillion times
.
Uh, the best thing and that'swhen you start talking like
brother, I am not here to fightman, right, I do not.
We're trying to do thispeacefully.
If you're under arrest, you'reunder arrest, just let's.
Let's chill out, man, I'm nottrying to fight you.
That's the main thing that Ikeep telling.
I'm not trying to fight you,man.
Unfortunately, there's too manycops that are trying to, with

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all that alpha testosterone.
They're jumping, they'rewaiting for that opportunity.
Those are the dudes that I justlike.
I want to, for real, fightthose guys.
I want to take you down.
Just go on the match, dude.
This is not a ring.
Yeah, you got something toprove.
Prove it here.
Yeah, those are the type thatwill get me under.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
What's crazy is it's always the cops that can't fight
.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I'm like you, I got you all.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, why are you trying to fight, dude?
You can't fight to begin with?
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh, it drives me insane.
Yeah, the escalators.
That's why we speak.
I speak unapologeticallyagainst escalators, man.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's our job as
police officers.
When we see somebody hyping upthe scene, like, hey bro, step
back, I got this, I'll take itfrom here.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, that is a sign of a good cow.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, and to Kat's credit, and something that I
love and like, I will tell youguys up front, I have had great
female partners in policing andloved them.
I've had worthless males, I'vehad worthless females, so like
it goes both ways, females, soit goes both ways.
But ultimately, anytime I'vebeen on a call with a female,

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that's a good cop, it's a goodcompliment to each other.
If I can't use my words and getit done, it seemed like every
time she could, and vice versa.
If she couldn't get it donewith her words, well then I

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would step up and I had adifferent angle and it would
work so that the, the complementof each other, really helped
out, because 99 of the timewe're not going hands-on, guys.
You guys are just talking about.
You guys are talking about theone percent or less that we go
hands-on.
It doesn't happen that often.
Um so, and then they've got abatman belt too.
It's a great equalizer.
You may be smaller, but it canhelp.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So and just by piggybacking on your point um, I
think it's so important to be apart of some sort of combat
sport period and I tell peopleall the time, um, boxing is what
taught me how tough that I amnot.
Um, it humbles you.
Like you, in order to get goodat something, you got to get
your butt whooped Right, and Ithink that is so humbling and

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and and it's it can, it's a doseof reality for a lot of these
guys that there's egos, are outto here and like need it.
So I think it's really reallyhealthy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, perry Lemley said I thought he said something
.
I had it there for a second hesaid my DT instructor for those
that don't know, that'sdefensive tactics instructor in
my academy was a female.
One of the things I would dowith my academy classes that I
would teach is I had a 120-poundor less jujitsu black belt

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female come in and she'd goagainst the biggest academy
recruit we had and it was aneye-opener for him because she
would toy with them and shewould tell them do whatever you
think you can.
So she was like leaving thedoor open for them to throw
strikes, to do whatever, and shewould just wreck them.
So training absolutely helps.

(23:04):
Um, now, cat, with your sevenyears, uh, have you done any
sort of combat training?
Or just continuous like pdtraining every you know 40 hours
?
Uh, whatever they have you guysrequired to do?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
so I've done the normal pd training but I have
had defensive tactics trainingas well.
I've gotten punched in the faceplenty of times and
unfortunately my reaction tothat a lot of times is to laugh
and then continue to fight.
I don't know why that is areaction of mine, but I do laugh

(23:43):
, I don't know.
It's just funny to me because alot of men think, like I'm
reading these comments about youknow, women shouldn't be cops
and this and that.
And I've seen men get hit andliterally just stop.
They just stop fight over.
It's almost like tap somebodyelse in soon.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
So yeah, um, one of our linkedin users says I've
encountered and witnessed manyfemale leos, law enforcement
officers who could take any ofthe male counterparts on the
same team.
Start playing.
The sex determines capability.
You would have to to categorizeother areas like, for example,
height uh, it cut off ericlevine being barely tall enough
to reach the counter on the icecream truck, where jujitsu
equalizes that I am 5'11".

(24:27):
Thank you very much, I am nottall, but I am not short, matt,
how tall are?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
you, I am exactly 5'7".
Oh shit, yeah, I'm not tall.
They're always messing with me.
Little bitch, I just stay close.
When I fall, I fought I gottastay close to you.
I stay close to you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I bet your uppercuts are crazy body work windshield.
Yeah, fuck yeah, that was miketyson.
Baby mike had that body workman yeah, that was he was my
idol.
Oh oh, mike, oh yeah.
Yeah, mike was like I mean as akid growing up between him and
Roy Jones Jr when they fought Iwas like, ah, I hated it.

(25:09):
Gizmos suck now I know old andslow Suck for pros, They'd kill
me.
But Roy Jones in his heyday bro.
Oh God, Cat, it was before yourtime.
You're too young.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah that's how you get I'm 30, 30 oh, okay, yeah, I
have no idea who that is,though you look no idea look
he's a little older we're agingourselves.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I know, yeah, he's uh early 90s like badass.
Roy was a badass.
He had a left hook from.
His left hook was about as fastas anybody else's jab he may
have the fastest hands in boxinghistory he was.
Yeah, constitution of country.
Girl said eric is perfectlyaverage I ain't, except for my
attire.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
My, my drip is off the chain you're trying to
figure out that denzel movie man.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh, you gotta figure it out, bro, I'm not gonna you
gotta get.
She's like who's Denzel?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Am I allowed to Google?
Oh, wait a minute, I don't know.
Reel it in.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I got it.
She's like who the fuck'sDenzel?
Okay, delete loss at LOL.
I've trained my whole life.
There are very few women thatcan hang in a true fight or even
a match.
It's not personal.
I love women that can hang in atrue fight or even a match.
It's not personal.
I love women.
They shouldn't be fighting men,um, and the goal is not to
fight anybody in police work.
But I think I think we're alladults.

(26:33):
You can make those decisionsfor yourself and, like I said,
there are plenty of dudes thatI've been police officer, you
know partners with and I'm likeyou're gonna get like you've got
zero body weight, zero skill,like you're unathletic.
You're gonna have a tough timeif you can't get to your batman
belt in time and hey man,everybody's allowed to sign up

(26:54):
for that risk.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
All I need, if you do suck at fighting, grab some
legs and hold just fucking holdon, but you can't or jump up and
fish, fish, hook that facethere's been a few since
situations I remember with somedudes like I'm not the biggest
guy, like, oh my gosh, I I puton such a great uh spiel out of

(27:16):
my mouth to uh de-escalate themsituations.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I am not trying to mess with you yeah, I, I've told
, I've straight up, like he'slike like I had a.
I'll give you an example I wasgetting gas at a gas station.
That's not my beat, not my, noteven my side of town, but it's
in my city and I'm in my patrolcar heading into work.
So I'm in uniform, but I'm notlike I'm not on duty, and the,

(27:47):
the clerk comes out and I waslike officer, are you here for
for my guy?
And I'm like fuck, no, what'sup?
I guess I am now until I canget some patrol officers over
here.
So I'm turning my radio on likethere's a guy stealing inside.
He's a homeless dude.
He keeps coming up herestealing, leaving, coming up
here stealing, leaving.
We can never catch him.
And I'm like all right, so goup there.
He's in the bathroom, probablystuffing everything, and uh,

(28:08):
comes out and I'm like, hey man,let's go talk outside.
And so we start getting outside.
He just keeps trying to walkand I'm like, hey man, come here
.
Hey police, stop.
So now I got to touch him.
So I just grab his shoulder andhe turns and he's ready and I'm
like I'm by myself, could Ihave?

(28:30):
Just because you can doesn'tmean you should, right man.
So I'm like I don't want tofight this dude.
Hey man, relax.
I'm like if you continue downthis route, I will fight you.
I was like but I don't want to,I want to start over.
I was like all I'm here for Idon't know if you've stolen

(28:51):
anything, all I'm here for is acriminal trespass, that's it.
I just don't want you to comeback.
And that is how I and like he'slike you touch me again, I'm
going to fuck you up.
I'm like listen, I guaranteeyou've been on these streets
longer than me.
You'll whoop my ass.
I was like I'm just a clean,skinny white boy.
I don't know how to fight, Idon't know how to do any of that
, and I was like I don't want toget hurt and I'm just trying to

(29:16):
come up with as much grovelingshit as I can to show him that
he's a tougher dude than me.
And it worked.
All of a sudden, the cavalrycomes in, because I had told him
I need people to step it up.
Two young officers get thereand I was like now listen,
they're going to come here.
They're going to talk about acriminal trespass.
Don't give them any shit.
They're going to write you apiece of paper and you'll be on
your way.
But if you keep doing on bodycam, I sound like a little bitch

(29:45):
and you know what.
But you know what?
I went to work that day.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Nothing, nobody got hurt yeah, that's called
humility, brother.
That's how that's how it shouldgo.
There's no ego that came intoplay.
I've had the same experience aton of times, but that's how
this should go.
So many less altercations wouldhappen.
So many less fights, resistingescalations like that's that's.

(30:11):
That's what makes you good.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think that and I, if I could teach
that to, I try to teach that toall my guys and girls that work
for me.
As I'm a cat you may not knowI'm'm a midnight supervisor.
I'm out there on foot with them, I'm on bikes with them, I'm in
the patrol cars with them.
I don't micromanage, but I'm intheir shit all the time.

(30:34):
If that makes sense, I'm outthere with them.
Somebody I think it was Jesus isKing.
He's asking where I'm from.
I don't say on here.
It was Jesus is King.
He's asking where I'm from.
I don't say on here.
I like, if you guys figure itout, it's on you.
But I have to keep the podcastand where I work separate.
So I hope you guys understandthat.
Kat's the same way Matt.
I don't know what Matt can do.

(30:56):
He's, he can punch that buttonanytime he wants.
So he kind of can say and dowhatever.
You'll see where I'm from.
Yeah Right, I kind of can sayand do whatever the hell you
want, if you Google me you'llsee where I'm from yeah Right
City I love yeah.
So, Kat, what's a common tacticfor you when you find yourself
about to get into that shit andyou're trying to avoid it?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
So just finding something that we relate on.
Recently I had a female.
Well prior to that, I spoke tothis female's brother.
They were going through adomestic.
The brother lets me know wherethey grew up.
Happens to be the sameneighborhood that I grew up.
So I get in the house.
This woman is irate and I'mlike how am I going to get her

(31:36):
to calm down?
How am I going to get her tocalm down?
She starts going down this roadof you don't know me, you know
we didn't grow up in the sameparts this, that and the third.
I'm like okay, but how do youknow that?
So a lot of times when you'reable to let them know, like hey,
you know what we have this incommon and you're able to relate
, it's that little window thatgives you the opportunity to

(31:58):
like lower things down.
Let's take it down a notch.
They see that you're similarand then they start to you know,
cooperate.
It's that simple.
And then not being soaggressive the whole time, so
like being able to slip in ajoke here and there.
You don't have to be so roboticto the point where they feel
like they can't relate, and alot of times that just works for

(32:22):
me.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Gotcha Okay, Fair Fair.
I like that what you got Matt.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I think you can always have a vigilant approach
, you can be aware of yoursurroundings, but you can come
for lesser word.
You come across soft.
I have a soft approach topeople.
If I'm dealing with a situation, hey, what's up brother, hold
on a second, let me talk to youfor a minute.
You can have a pleasant, nicesmile on your face.
It's when, when you see theserobocops coming up with just

(32:49):
anger, all stiff, yeah, theseare an example.
When I, when I teach, when Iteach like what if I came up to
you, say what's up man?
What if I came up to you andsay what's up man?
Or I just say, hey, how youdoing man?
It's such a different.
The tension level it's all inyour presentation.
Whether you want to escalate ornot, our job is to have that
soft approach, to not haveeveryone pucker up when they see

(33:12):
us.
I think that should be thestandard across the board.
Ego-less.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
When you get those noise complaints for like
parties and you respond to itand you know, if you get to the
front of that door and theperson opens the door, they go
from having a good time at theirparty and they see you like,
turn the music down.
And you know, going off thelist of commands, the
probability of them turning downthe music for you and just
cooperating goes right down.

(33:40):
Yeah, if you're like, you knowwhat, listen, I see you guys are
enjoying yourself.
Can you just do me a favor?
Just please lower the volume,yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's so it's.
It's so much easier with honeyand and and I'm just myself.
I usually tell when, when Iused to go to them calls all the
time, my first thing I say islike man, I wish I was here with
y'all, but I'm at work and I'mgoing to ask you for a plate
before I leave.
But can you somebody called?
Can we just turn it down just alittle bit?
I don't want to have to comeback here because then then the

(34:12):
boss may have me make you guysshut it down.
Stuff like it's so easy to doand just to come across as
relatable.
I shut it down.
Stuff like it's so easy to doand just to come across as
relatable.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, it's funny too because I am a smiley guy as it
is so.
But, like you said, I try tokind of overtly do it anytime
I'm about, like as I'm walkingup, they haven't.
They haven't made contact, likeby talking to me yet, and I'm
trying to disarm them before Ieven get up there and start
speaking.
So I'm smiling.
Hey man, what's up?
Officer Levine just come totell you this is what's going on

(34:45):
.
You can disarm a lot of peopleright away just by giving them
the information.
Cops too often try to do thissecret squirrel shit.
Hey man, we got aninvestigation, we got to come
over here.
I'm like, shut the fuck up.
Just tell them why you're there.
Hey man, we got a call thatthere was somebody out here
filming.
I know, you know that that's aprotected right.

(35:05):
Like you're in public, I seeyou're in public.
I just have to make scenebecause that's what my policies
tell me to do.
Everything looks good to me,man.
I just want to say, hey, keepdoing your First Amendment,
rights Deuces.
I'm out, unless you got anyquestions for me.
No, you're good.
All right, man, have a good day.
That's it.
It's really not that hard.
So I I get frustrated when I seethe secret squirrel shit from

(35:29):
cops like that.
Us as police officers, we needto stop doing that.
That is one of the things.
Information is your friend,it's your power.
And when you give people that,that information that isn't
super secret, like it disarms alot of, that's your verbal judo,
right there.
It disarms them.
Hey, I'm off, sylvan.

(35:51):
Reason I pulled you over is youwere going 78 and a 25.
Is there any reason you weredoing that?
Give them an out.
They may have a very validreason why they were going 78.
Us as cops, we're always likewell, it's a case-by-case basis
whenever we're trying to defendsomething.
Well, it's the same for them.
Just because they're going 78doesn't necessarily mean they're

(36:14):
guilty of something.
I had a guy that had a knifehanging out of his back.
He had a butcher's knife in hisshoulder and he was going 72
miles an hour in a school zone.
Well, I was young officer.
So I come up to the window likean idiot and I'm like what the
fuck are you doing?
Go like I seen it, like, ohshit, well that that stopped.

(36:35):
From that day I stopped comingup to that damn window with a
preconceived notion and changedmy whole approach.
So that's things to consider,guys.
But part of this show, one ofthe things that we do, is it's
called Body Cam Reviews.
Why do we call it Body CamReviews?
Because we watch body cams onhere together as cops and rather

(36:57):
than Monday Morning Quarterback, we pretend that we are the
cops in the body cam video.
It's kind of a unique look.
Nobody else does this.
This is two cops, one donut LLCtrademarked thing.
It's not really trademarked,but yeah, it's what we do.
It kind of gives you a uniquelook at the training.

(37:17):
Now we got somebody from theNew York area.
We got Matt up there in Chicago, me down in Texas.
You're going to getperspectives on how we would
handle a call and you'll seethat we all may have slightly
different paths of how we'regoing to solve the puzzle, but
it always leads to the same endgoal.
So kind of interesting that way.
It's a cool look.

(37:38):
I think that that's been one ofthe things that really has
helped with us grow.
Oh, I think Trey's bum assfinally got up in here.
Got a late comer to the party,y'all oh shit.
Representing the bloods.
We got Trey what up, what upblood.
That's the deal, man Dang bro.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I didn't know.
You was in the gang unit now,nah, nah nah, nah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh shit, you got some sound paneling in there.
Yeah, come on, man don't playwith me.
You stepping up the game,that's what I'm talking about
got that crispy camera going.
Yeah, man, you know, cool, cool.
So those who don't know, treyis a cop out in california.
Uh, he is our trey.
How long you been a cop?
Almost three years, three years.

(38:27):
He's our rookie.
This is our rookie perspective.
We give him shit all the time,but don't let him bully you trey
, he has an educator's heart andhe's been putting out content.
Make sure you guys follow trey.
He is our.
Uh, I think, trey, you were thelatest addition to the two cops
.
One donut stuff, right yeah,yeah yeah, yeah he was.
He was kind of holding outbecause he was like I don't know

(38:50):
, matt's a pretty big deal.
I don't know if I'm ready forthat type of game yet.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gosh then he saw my wife's neck being around right.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
He saw that his wife was making him wear a wife
t-shirt that says his wife'sname and had her pictures all
over it.
He gets on here and I'mthinking he's wearing like a
band shirt, because he kind oflike pointed it out and I'm like
, oh, that's cool, that's what Ithought it was.
And I'm like I'm like who's?
I can't think of who tenille is, but I was like he's.
Maybe it's like an old 80ssinger that I wasn't 70s and it

(39:23):
turns out it was a t-shirt ofhis wife with her face all over
it and her name running acrossthe top.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's okay, my husband has one too.
Oh no, hell, no, no no, no, nono.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I had to turn in my player card, the.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Valentine's Day is coming up.
She's going to get you one.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
That's so funny.
No, no, no, not me Delete.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Laws said Matt's wife's legit.
She is legit.
Oh, thank you, chili man.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
He would not be able to get on here without her.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Jeez, oh Pete.
Let me accidentally hit my chatover here.
I got to pop people's stuff uphere, harrison Brock said One
time a Kentucky trooper pulledme over and said he clocked me
doing 15 over To myself.
I said Bullshit, I was doing 35plus over.

(40:12):
The ticket was dropped to fiveover.
There you go, captain into Neil.
That's what country girl said.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, that's what she was named after.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I was going to say.
That's probably what wassubconsciously going out in my
head.
I just saw that name and I waslike, okay, and I just couldn't
figure out why but once you knowit's my wife, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
That's the mama was named after that's hilarious
wife.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I was like, oh shit, that's what mama was named after
.
That's hilarious, so but anyway, um, so what we're gonna do is
we're going to I'm gonna hidethe chat overlay right now, and
then we're going to get to ourbody cam videos.
All of these videos that wepulled tonight are going to be
from police activity youtubechannel, so I'm going to share.
Nope, that's the wrong button.
I'm going to share that screenright now.
I'm going to share policeactivities actual youtube page.

(41:04):
Make sure you guys go to them.
We're not affiliated with themin any way.
Um and uh, we, I swear we usethem almost exclusively, so they
got good uncut videos man yeah,yeah, it's all uncut, it's raw
stuff.
So make sure you guys go likesubscribe.
They don't really need, they'renot hurting for people, but

(41:25):
every little bit helps.
Man, they got 6.35 millionsubscribers, so that's crazy,
crazy.
Um, okay, so we're gonna go tothe first video.
Share this tab instead.
Uh, we have not watched these.
Viewer's discretion is advised,as always.
I understand.

(41:45):
I wish to proceed.
I'm going to pause.
We're going to Biggie Size.
Everybody ready?
Cool, let's go.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Hey, show me your hands.
Show me your hands.
Who's this?

Speaker 1 (42:13):
get on the ground.
Get on the ground.
Okay, I'll start, uh, cat, soyou can kind of get your your
feet wet on what we do here.
We don't know know what thecall is.
I try not to read the titles ofanything.
I haven't looked at it yet.
So we don't know what the callis.
I can tell you right now if I'mthis officer and I've already
got my gun out.
Obviously it's a semi-seriouscall.
It's at nighttime and now I amchasing after somebody yelling

(42:34):
at them to get on the ground.
I need light and I need towatch every single one of my
corners.
If I lose sight of this person,if I'm alone, depending on what
the call is, I may just callout a direction and and take a
very safe approach to followingthis person, because I don't

(42:57):
want to get ambushed cops toooften they see the rabbit they
chase and they're not.
They get tunnel vision.
So, matt, what do you got onthis one?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I was thinking the same thing to me that the way
that he jumped out, I wouldguess and we do the guessing
part just because it makes itmore fun and yeah it's just fun,
guys.
I guess that is a weapons call.
So he's obviously given chase.
I got the same.
Through my experience I've beenin this situation a ton.
You've chased to a certainpoint.
But if you can, if it's a blindcorner or something.

(43:28):
Then you got the radio, you gotsome backup and you set
something up.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Gotcha Kat, what do you got?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
So yeah, it seems serious enough that you know,
know he's giving chase after him, but again don't really know
what the call is about.
Um looks far enough that hemight make it around that corner
.
That you can't see him and atthat point I don't know that I
would turn the corner, mighthave to call for backup because
you don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
You don't know what's coming around that yeah, I
agree, and that that is myconcern right here is we're
we're actually in a really goodposition.
I, I like this.
Um, you got to remember, guys,when we're looking through a
body cam, like it's not quitetrue to what we see, um, I would
like to be behind a little bitof cover maybe the truck or

(44:14):
maybe I don't know, that you canreally use that house there.
But, um, I'm gonna use my mouse, if you guys can see.
Nope, you can't.
Doesn't look like it there itis, so it looks like he's right
about here.
Um, so that that is definitelygoing to be concerned.
Running with your gun out, thatis also there's.

(44:36):
There's mixed feelings aboutthat.
Depends on the on the call.
If I know I'm dealing withsomebody that is armed or
there's a high potential for it,and I'm that close and it's
nighttime, I may run with my gunout, even though it's a general
orders violation.
I may.
Just depends, trey, what do yougot?

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah.
So as a younger officer, I'malways like'm always like go, go
, go when I'm chasing somebodyand all the old heads.
But tell me, like man, youdon't gotta catch them, you just
gotta, uh, get close enough tohave a perimeter and get people
use a radio to get people there.
So I think in this situation Idefinitely would have been go,
go, go and then the moment Ilost sight I would have stopped,
because whenever, whenever youdo lose sight of somebody like

(45:19):
that, they either hunker down orthey're just going to went
around a blind corner.
Bro, this is not worth.
Not worth it.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
We're in a blind corner.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
It's not worth it bro .

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, um, edu said.
One thing I know from playingready or not is not to chase any
if anybody has not played readyor not.
It is a very realistic tacticalpolice game.
You can't just bum rushanything and expect to win.
You can't go in there like afirst-person shooter, like Call
of Duty or anything.

(45:48):
It's a game that holds youaccountable.
It's actually probably a goodtactical training tool for
police.
I will say that.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Have any of you guys seen that game?
No, I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I've never seen that one, that game.
No, I ain't never seen that.
I've never seen that one.
I'm the only gamer here.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
All right, that's cool.
I'm more of a.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Madden guy yeah, yeah , if you don't play it on a PC,
it don't count.
I'm a Tecmo Bowl originalNintendo guy Hell yeah, brother,
you get Bo Jackson, you wasunstoppable.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Oh my gosh.
Or that Chiefs 49ers, we had arule you couldn't play with Bo
Jackson.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I like to play with the Giants.
I was a defense dude so Iplayed with the Giants and
Lawrence Taylor was just oh, lt,yeah, lt, yeah, dude.
You couldn't stop him.
He just kept going throughlines sacking the quarterback,
just pissing your friends off.
Three and out, three and out.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Every single time and don't get caught looking at the
remote of the guy next to you.
That was some fistfights.
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, oh, he picked hey I know that play he picked
over and b I know that one tooyep, try is like what's Nintendo
.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I'm old enough for that how old, are you Trey?
29.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You, the baby here, dang Cat, got more time on the
streets.
Cat, older than you, still therookie.
I get no respect, trey man.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
I get no respect.
What's up with that shit, man?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Trey.
When we say I get no respect,who are we paying homage to?
I don no respect.
What's up with that shit, manTrey.
When we say I get no respect,who are we paying homage to?

Speaker 4 (47:23):
I don't know, damn, we're old Eric.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Kat, who are we paying homage?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
to.
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Matt, let them know.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Oh, the great Rodney, dangerfield Rodney.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Dangerfield come on.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
A wonderful 80s actor stand-up comedian man.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He was great.
Uh, what was the swimming moviewhere he, uh, he did the flying
lundy or whatever the hell itwas called?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
yeah, that was uh.
Was it back to school, back toschool that's what his name was
in that, guys, and this is alluseless information and we're
probably losing yeah, all theviewers are just dropping his
name in that movie was thorntonmelon.
Remember that it was.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Oh shit, I forgot all about that.
That's hilarious.
Oh shit, ozark moon lt was thebomb.
Yeah, he was, yep, yep.
Oh man, that's so funny, isgoing to be fun, because you got
the boomers with the.
I don't even know whatgeneration to call you guys.
What do you guys get called I?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Damn.
Just like some kids, man.
They don't know shit.
I don't be knowing.
I don't be knowing.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
That's what my kids are on.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I know right, go to your rooms until you know.
That's what I would tell mykids.
Why don't you go to your roomand figure it out?
Crazy, that's great.
This is good though, what Ilike about this is it gives
fresh, different perspective.
Y'all grew up in policing, whenthere was always body cameras.
Yeah, that's the only thing Iknow is body cams, right where

(49:02):
matt and I we were in thattransition, like we were there
before cameras and then we werethere when we had them.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
So I had a smidge of not having the body camera and
after having one lawsuit withthe body camera, I wouldn't I, I
honestly, I would wear that forthe rest of my career.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't care.
Can you, can you talk aboutthat at all without specifics?
Okay, um, that may beinteresting for other officers,
so they can help avoid fallinginto some shit.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Somebody had alleged that I used excessive force and
you know, I didn't even know Iwas being sued.
It wasn't until later, you know, that my body camera was
reviewed without me knowing.
Everything was gotten rid ofwithout my knowledge.
I just got the results of itand I didn't know.

(49:53):
Again, like I said, I didn'tknow I was being sued, but just
the idea of me having to, like,stand up for myself and say, no,
this is what I did, and peopleand their thoughts about cops
and no, well, you know she mustbe lying or he must be lying
because you know you think copsWell, a lot of people think cops
and they think excessive forceand anytime it's mentioned, yeah

(50:15):
, it must have happened, thefact that I didn't have to say
that that didn't happen and Ididn't have to explain my point
and they could just look at acamera.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I was like this is awesome.
I like that.
I've actually had a very.
I've talked about it on theshow.
I got investigated, didn't knowit, um, and the IA uh,
investigator was nice enough,cause it's not even required for
them to let you know Uh wasnice enough to hit me up.
I was like hey, I just want tolet you know we had to
investigate.
You got complained on your bodycam, exonerated you.

(50:46):
It was unfounded and everythingwas good.
And I said, holy shit, like youknow, you get that whole roller
coaster right away.
You're like what the fuck?
Like, what did I do?
And he said the reason I'mcalling you and this is props to
any IA investigator out therepositive reinforcement is really
what he was doing.
Hey, keep doing what you'redoing.

(51:08):
You were working a part-timeand you still had your body
camera and you activated it,like you're supposed to, and he
goes and it saved your butt.
He's like you know, not thatyou, you were in a lot of danger
or anything like that.
Um, I didn't put hands onanybody, they just said that I
was disrespectful.
And, uh, turns out I was not.
I was very polite, I was.
I was the epitome of MattThornton in the streets.

(51:30):
So, um, we love everybody.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, um listen, how did you feel about that cat and
you, both you.
I was.
I questioned both of you.
Did you feel about that Kat?
Both of you?
I was going to ask a questionfor both of you.
Did you feel like you wouldrather have known, or did that
finding out spook you?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
So I'm glad that I didn't know I was being
investigated.
I'm glad that they came to mewith the results and I'm glad
that they looked at the camerawithout asking me anything Like.
I'll take that any day, becauseit takes a lot of the stress off
me, a lot of the wondering offme, and you know a lot of times,
with how many calls we gothrough, you don't remember who
you spoke to and you're like youknow, did I say this?

(52:05):
Did I do that?
And even though you know you'reoperating well, you're always
like but, but what if I had abad day?
Did I say something wrong?
But that camera is always thereso you can always go back and
check and, you know, review yourevidence and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
So yeah, I would think if you know that's, that's
one of the mental healthstrains, like if you've been
investing, you know how theydrag that out which I think is
reprehensible by a brass to dragthat out for any amount of time
you got to work, sometimesmonths, knowing that something's
hanging over your head, nomatter how big or small it is.
Yeah, I think it's a that's ablessing that they didn't tell
you at a time, because if youdidn't do anything wrong and you

(52:40):
, that's uh yeah I agree becausewhen, like I said, that whole
emotional roller coaster hit melike right away, because you're
instantly like, you're like whatthe fuck did I do like
sometimes I say dumb shit, likeI don't even know.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I said you know, um, I for those that know me, I I'm
not a good, but I like to singall the time.
And so I was like, was Isinging?
Did somebody catch me singing?
Like, was I singing like a rapsong or some shit?
Like I listened to a lot of rap, like I grew up in Flint, like
that was my favorite musicgrowing up.
So now you know I'm, you neverknow where the fuck you get

(53:15):
caught saying so it was likeshit and had no idea it was
involving an actual call.
So, uh, it worked out in myfavor and that's what I like.
I said I, I knew that with bodycams, I I saw I was one of the
few that transitioned, that wasreally excited about it.
I was embracing the change, Iloved it.
Oh, I was stoked too.
Yeah, I was like man, this iswhat we needed.

(53:36):
But I want to get to Edu'scomment.
She, he or she I'm sorry, Idon't know if that's a male or
female name, so I don't want tobe an asshole Seems.
Body cams help both honest copsand the rest of us.
I agree, that's their purpose.
Yeah, that's, that is theirpurpose.
I think overwhelmingly that thebody cams have shown that

(54:01):
police, for the most part day today, are doing their job, doing
what they're supposed to do.
Um, and it's actually pissedoff some people to the point
where they are protesting therelease of body cam footage,
saying that it's showing otherpeople in an unfavorable light
and I'm like that that's a goodproblem to have.
That's a better problem to havethan it's showing a rampant.
Like you know, there's 350million calls approximately per

(54:25):
year for officers guys.
But the problem is not everydepartment has body cams,
there's some that don't havethem at all.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I don't know how that is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
One of our friends that we've had on the show a few
times, frank Sloop from PinellCounty.
They don't have body cameras.
And they don't want them, hewants them, frank wants them.
Frank's like no, I want them.
He's always got a camera crewwith him anyway, but yeah, they
don't have them.
The platform that they'retrying to go off of is that our

(54:57):
officer's word has worked forthis long.
It should continue to work, andit's not that I don't think an
officer's word shouldn't be good, but if I can have as much
evidence to show that I can get,that's what I want yeah, it
just doesn't seem transparent.
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I lovethis guy's name.

(55:18):
Trog Lodite said transparencyis always the best way.
Body cam.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, there you go.
There's Trog.
I love that dude.
I love that Speak of a good man.
I love that dude.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, and that is so.
This pisses off cops when I saythis, but I truly love that
First Amendment.
Auditing is a thing I really doand they show just how
important cameras are.
So if you're a cop, that's outthere and oh, they're just
assholes.
Some are just like there's someasshole cops.
Guys, it's not illegal to be,yeah, like you swore, to uphold

(55:56):
the constitution like so if it'sa First Amendment right, it's
not a right just because it'sconvenient, it's a right from
Bernie.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You know how my feelings are.
I'm right with you, brother.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, and I think this is what brought Matt and I
together, guys, honestly,especially our love for the
First Amendment.
Me being in Texas, I have alove for the Second Amendment as
well.
So, constitutional said edu isa heat is a.
He do my bad.
Appreciate that, my man, yeah.

(56:28):
Um.
Ryan holzinger said grady juddis a camera whore.
Uh, I can't disagree.
He does get in front of thecamera quite a bit.
So what is how about?
Okay, I like these.
How about when body cameras aremuted?
Now, we've touched on thisbefore on the podcast several
times.

(56:49):
Where Matt and I stand, kat, onmuting, is you should not be
able to mute the camera periodOnce it's activated.
It needs to be activated fromthe beginning of the call, as
soon as you get dispatched thatmy thought, not when you get
unseen.
Okay, this is matt.
You tell me what you thinkabout this if I'm in the patrol
car and I get dispatched.
Hey, king 720, you got a callover at dot dot 10-4.

(57:14):
Show me in route.
Boop, boop, boop.
Camera's on.
That's when it should be turnedon.
It doesn't matter if it takesme 10 minutes to get to that
call.
I'm not turning it on rightbefore I arrive on scene, I
think it should be activated themoment you get dispatched and
you accept the call.
That's me.
It doesn't mean I'm right, butthat's my feelings on it.
You're on the call, that thingstays on, it doesn't get turned

(57:44):
off, it stays on the whole time.
If something and here's myargument because people are like
well, there's certaininformation, there's tactics and
stuff like that need to bemuted, that needs to go into the
scrubbing phase.
When somebody does a FOIA, whenthey do that Freedom of
Information Act, that's whenthat stuff can be muted or
scrubbed or whatever.
That's not your job as a cop,don't worry about that shit.
And if they don't have thestaff or it takes too long, well
, that's another hole in theprocess we need to work on.

(58:04):
So when people do these Freedomof Information Act things and
they're like we want all of yourfootage, well, think about it.
Now somebody does have to go tobecause there is protected
information, there's HIPAA stuff, there's children, there's just
a lot of information that can.
So that Ohio recently just dida thing where they charge you

(58:26):
for getting that informationbecause somebody has to go
through and redact stuff.
So, like I know, I'm asking atwo-parter here, matt.
I'm sorry, but first off, matt,when do you think they should
or should not be able to mute it?
And then what is your opinionon them charging for getting

(58:46):
that Freedom of Information Actstuff?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
We've talked about this.
The mute should never happen.
If it's something sensitive,redact it later.
That's what you got recordsclerks for, they can do that.
That's what you got evidencepeople for to do that.
And I'm just, I don't think youshould charge at all.
I think that's the gauging ofthe citizens.
It should come in.
They pay taxes.
It should just be on the house.
Okay, interesting, I understandif it's some lengthy, if it's

(59:16):
going to take 40 man hours to dothere, some lengthy, right, if
it's going to take 40 man hoursto do, there's got to be
something maybe considered.
But you like pd's that willcharge you the victim of
something?
Oh, you need ten dollars to toget a copy of your report.
Like I was a victim.
Why do I got to pay for thisstuff?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I'm I'm gonna give my opinion, but I want to hear
cats first so on muting um,originally I was going to say
like I think there's times thatyou can mute your camera.
You know if you're talking toother officers you're not with
the person that you'reresponding to the call for.
But you know, if you go intothe part of redacting stuff
later, then there's no need tomute it.
You know there really isn't.

(59:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
There really isn't.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
But again, do they have the manpower to do that?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
The charging people for a video that should
absolutely be free.
It's their right to view that.
They were there.
I think it should be free.
But again the manpower.
I don't know where they'regoing to find that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah.
So I will give you my kind ofinsight as a person that edits,
because I do all the podcaststuff for us and edit and do
excuse me do that stuff and forme it's a beatdown and I'm not
watching everything.
I'm not watching, like, if wedo this podcast, this thing,

(01:00:35):
that this live stream we'redoing, if we do this for four
hours, whatever it is, I don'twatch the whole thing.
I kind of cut here, cut thereon points that I know about and
then that's it.
Imagine watching an hour-longbody cam video but there's seven
officers on scene like I.
I'm just trying to give you,you guys, the idea behind it,

(01:00:58):
because I don't know howfamiliar you are with editing.
So, holy shit, the manpowerthat would have to go behind or
the time that it would take justto get through that.
I hear you.
Now, matt.
Here's my thing.
What if it's somebody that'snot involved in the call?
They're just trying to getpolice activity.
They just want the videos sothey can do their their stuff.

(01:01:20):
They have nothing to do withthe call.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I think I think when you type a report or you do
something like that, itshouldn't be that many cases
that, unless obviously thejuvenile will be the huge one,
cause you got that information.
But there's gotta we got, wegotta kind of come up with a way
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
That's what I'm saying, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
It means more work than than we got to find some
way to allocate it.
Yeah, it's a reality.
I know I don't have all theanswers right now and it could
be long and complicated and thisand that, but I mean we we have
expenditures for a lot ofdifferent things that we can go
into reallocating funds.
I'm not a defund the police guyat all whatsoever.
I'm for reallocating to thingsthat actually will bring the

(01:02:06):
public and us together.
So I think that we'd have tobite the bullet on that one,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
So I'll make my stance now.
I agree with you.
It should be free.
I'm with you on that.
However, we don't have thecapabilities yet.
So that's where I'm like, wellshit, what do we do?
We don't have the bodies, wedon't have the people.
You're not going to get cops todo it, so you got to have
civilians do it.

(01:02:31):
Can you outsource that stuff?
You can't outsource it, and AIis not there yet.
So it will be Guaranteed, itwill be.
So.
These are some of the logisticsbehind that.
So I'm just trying to makepeople understand, because if
you get, like what was thedude's name?
Laws, delete Laws, like if youget him, and then you get

(01:02:54):
another auditor and anotherauditor and they're like all of
them Freedom of Information Act,and they hit your department up
we want all your video footagefrom 2024.
They can make that request,right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess that's the thing I
would think that you would havesome sort of, uh, some sort of
scope that would be, understand,a reasonable scope, that that,
okay, we can do such and such umfor this amount of time, or how
, whatever happened, yeah yeahum, so it's an interesting topic
like it is it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I didn't mean to get into that rabbit hole, guys.
We haven't even finished thevideo we were watching, so.
But this is what we cat, thisis what we do.
We get down rabbit holes, wejust oh yeah, we always saw, we
do all night long no matter whatit is the body cam videos and
stuff like that's fun for us tosit there and bullshit about.
But this is really what it'sabout.
It's about interacting withthese guys, questions what they
have, what their concerns are,and us putting it out there from

(01:03:50):
our perspective.
So, um, it's going to be coolbecause you've got us with art.
You know, I've got 18 years,matt's got 87 years of
experience, so you got all thatexperience and then you've got
seven.
So our perspectives are goingto be different.
Um, and then you got trey,who's just graduated the academy
.
So we got that.
Uh, I don't know where he went.

(01:04:11):
He didn't pay his cable bill orwhat.
I who knows, who knows my mancame in here dressed like a
blood, I just had to give himsome shit.
But Wade Lucero said just putall the body cams on public
website unredacted.
You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, it would be too dangerous.
I understand they wanttransparency, but the first
thing that pops in my head noteven the juveniles, it's the
people that give information.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
You can get some people murdered.
That exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
I was just gonna say that you read my mind like
addresses it's too much, yeah,it's, it's just, uh, yeah you,
you literally will get peoplekilled.
This is why it's hard to getpeople to talk in the first
place, so um yeah that'lldefinitely that would hurt
society.
One of the best things that cameout was oh, michigan.
I got a Michigan person in here.
I'm going to pop their commentup here.
But one of the best things thathave come out is the ability to

(01:05:06):
report anonymously through theinternet.
That's been one of the bestthings that could have come out,
because now you don't have copsshowing up to your house while
you're trying to giveinformation but you want to help
your community, so something toconsider.
Michigan Constitutional Crusader, shout out, I don't know you, I
saw Michigan up there.
It came right to my heart.

(01:05:26):
Brother, I'm from Flint so Ilive in Texas now, but I'm still
a Wolverines fan, baby, detroitTigers, detroit Red Wings, all
of it.
So shout out to you guys.
He said I can get all of myfreedom of information act
request in illinois for freebecause I am a legit member of
the press with credentials.
Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

(01:05:49):
Uh, press credentials was howyou get that stuff so
interesting.
Um, going through the commentshere, uh, aunt boy, aunt boo and
bow.
Aunt bow looks like he's gotthe dude is a picture.
I can't tell.
Uh, what's the deal withcalifornia body cam?
Bcw body cam?

(01:06:11):
I don't know what that is,footage being damn near
impossible to get most of thetime.
I don't know if we had yeah ifwe had trey here, that son of a
bitch yeah, I, I talked to ourrecords, ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Quite a bit we get.
We get quite a few for us.
I mean, it's part of the jobnow yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Um, michigan, uh said it's a it's little known.
Um, yeah, I didn't know that.
That's that's cool to know.
That helps us out later on whenwe start talking about shit.
So, um, all right, let me,let's, let's go back to this
video.
We haven't even remotelyfinished it, so share screen and
it isn't even that long share.

(01:06:53):
Uh, we are going to hide thechat somehow.
Hide chat overlay.
How's this view?
Is this one better?
I like that better.
Let's go with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Trey texted and said his son was acting up, so he's
on one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Oh, okay, no worries.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
He's good though.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Yeah he can hop back in anytime.
I'm going to shoot you.
Get your hands up, show me yourhands.
Show, get your hands, show yourhands, show me your hands.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
don't reach okay, so um cat, I'm gonna let you lead
this one off okay the threat ofI'm gonna shoot you and then
into the shot, like how are yougonna handle that, um, from the
point where you're getting closeenough where you can start
giving verbal commands?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
so I I don't know why he shot.
I don't know if he saw like theangle or I don't know what he
saw that made him shoot.
Um, I'm assuming it was himthat shot and not the other guy
that shot at him, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I, I believe so.
I didn't even know if there'sanother person with him.
Is there?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I don't, I don't know .

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
I heard I heard two shots.
So right now that his hands areup, um, I'm going to have him
um try to roll over.
Well, I don't know if there'sanything on his left side of
heat goes onto his left side,but if I could get him to get
onto his knees, put his hands uplike this and just stay like

(01:08:22):
that until I can get him intocustody, I'm okay with that, as
long as I don't see anythingnear him that he can grab okay,
um, for me, uh, the hey, I'mgonna fucking shoot you or
whatever it was he said um, I'mokay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Um, I don't like that to be led.
I don't want you just talkingto people that way.
However, um, if you're chasingafter somebody and you keep
telling them stop, stop police,stop police.
And you know you're about topossibly have to use force, I
don't mind cursing at somebodybecause you're trying to avoid
using force.
If that makes sense.
It's a last-ditch effort.

(01:08:55):
Tell your dog.
I said what's up man?
Yeah, I'm going to let him outreal quick.
I can still hear you, thoughI'll keep it going.
It's a last effort to try toprevent using force.
So, is it unprofessional?
Yes, is it something thatshould be discussed and you need
to be able to articulate?
Well, I'm going to ask you, asyour supervisor why did you talk
that way?
And then you're going to beable to tell me well, I could

(01:09:20):
see a gun.
I didn't want to have to shoothim, and I said that, hopefully,
maybe he didn't try to doanything dumb.
Okay, cool that I can get alongwith.
You violated general orders,but that is an acceptable reason
to violate them.
Cool, we're good For me lookingat this.
I'm just going to hold what Igot.
I'm going to tell him stayright where you're at.

(01:09:42):
I can see his hands.
I don't need him moving anymore.
I don't want to make him get upto his knees.
I don't want to make him doanything that may make him make
a movement that he didn't meanto make, because his stress, our
stress level, is going to behigh.
His is a million times morethan what ours is going to be,
so I don't want him to doanything stupid.
I can see his hands.

(01:10:02):
That's what can kill me, so I'mjust going to hold that.
I'm going to try to take coverif I can, um, but from right
here I'm going to say stay rightthere.
And then I'm going to startcalling in the troops where I'm
at.
If I'm alone, um, if I'm notalone, I'm going to tell my
partner we're going tocommunicate.
Hey, I got, I got cover.

(01:10:26):
Call it it out so somebodyknows to get on the radio and
tell them where we're at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
That's how I would have matt.
What do you got?
I pretty much echo that sayingone, one of the one of the
styles I like, because I just Ispeak what's on my mind and in
my heart, um, I don't want toshoot anybody, I don't want to
hurt anybody.
So I always say it always comesout of my mouth, like bro, I
don't want to shoot you, I don'twant to shoot you, I don't want
to hurt you.
Keep your hands up, man, we'regoing to solve this.
And you just start, youdeescalate immediately.

(01:10:51):
So I think that's what yourpoint is.
I guess you got space.
You got all the time in theworld.
He looks like he's cooperating.
Obviously you don't.
You don't run right up there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You got people coming and say hold up, we got
somebody coming.
I just want you to stay rightthere.
Yeah, your tone is everything.
Yeah, your tone and yourbreathing is everything in those
situations.
And let them know, hey, man, Idon't know if you're hit, but we
got to help you now.
So, like, let them know, likethat's your concern, hey, I got
to help you.
Like, this is what we got to do.
That's where we're going to gofrom here, as long as you just
stay right there.
And then I want to get toBrandar86's comments.
He said what if all yourofficers use the response?

(01:11:29):
I talked that way because Ithought I saw a gun.
It doesn't fly Thinkingsomething.
If you think something andyou're wrong in 52 different
body cam videos for the pastmonth, that's going to show
that's the beauty of body camvideos for the past month.
That's going to show that's thebeauty of body cams, guys.
It shows a pattern.

(01:11:50):
So that's something to keep inmind.
Bad cops weed themselves out.
Body cams help weed out badcops faster.
So if you're repeatedly beingthat guy, well, I thought he had
a gun.
Well, I thought he had a gun.
Well, he was resisting.
Well, he was resisting.
Well, he was resisting, thisguy was resisting.
It shows a pattern.
And then when you watch thevideo and it doesn't support

(01:12:11):
that, and then you look at theinvestigation and that doesn't
support that.
The facts.
They're like air bubbles in thewater they bring themselves to
the surface.
So they may be down there aways, but eventually it's going
to get to the top.
That's just the way I see it.
I'm one part.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Kat, what do you think?
I agree, if you consistentlysee a pattern, then at what
point do you not deny it?
You see it, it's clear, know, Iagree with what you guys said.
As far as you know, theverbiage could be different.
Again, I'm not really sure whatled to his shots or what led to
him saying that, because Ireally can't see other than him.

(01:12:56):
I couldn't even put his handsup, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, delete laws said, if we can get the body cam
, if it's not hidden or deletedwhere I'm at, absolutely do not
have even the capabilities ofdeleting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
If that does happen, they should be in prison.
Jilly Absolutely.
That should never happen.
Yeah, that should be likesomebody needs to be made an
example of.
If that happens Absolutely 100%agree, 100% agree.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Like there's somebody needs to be made an example of
if that happens.
Absolutely 100 agree, 100 agree.
Um, I'm looking at the the chatover here.
Mr billfold has oh shit, mrbillfold has gifted a membership
to somebody.
Uh, I don't know who got it,but uh, let's see.
It looks like patrick, truelove, was gifted a membership by
mr billfold hey, hey, patrick'sa good man too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Mr Billfold's a good man, my man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Mr Billfold's a good dude.
He's been turning me on to alot of stuff that I haven't
watched Audit, the Audit I haveseen those videos but I didn't,
you know.
It's like you see a clip ofsomebody stealing his content
and I didn't realize who.
I was listening to his contentand I didn't realize who I was
listening to, and then he put avideo on that.
If we get time tonight, Iactually have it queued up.

(01:14:11):
Mr Belfold, I didn't forgetabout you.
I actually queued it up and youweren't on here at the
beginning.
I was going to talk to youearlier, before we got started,
if you were on here.
So I have it queued up.
We may be able to get to thatlater tonight.
We'll see.
See what everybody's time frameis.
I may be on here by myself, Idon't know I got till 10.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I'm on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
It's a hard 10 o'clock no worries, no worries,
I got you brother, so, um, butuh, as far as deleting video
goes, I don't know how you wouldeven get away with that these
days.
I guess it just depends on who.
Like I, we have Axon where I'mat.
You can't delete it, and evenif you did, there is a log and a

(01:14:52):
record of every single personthat accesses it tells how long
they watched it, it tells you ifthey downloaded a video.
It tells you if they sent thatvideo to somebody else, it tells
you if they copied anythingfrom the transcripts.
Anything, anything.
Any keystroke is measured andand logged, and that's how it
should be.
That's that transparency andaccountability that you want.

(01:15:14):
That's why I'm such a big fanof the way axon handles evidence
.
It's fucking great.
It really is, um, but there'sother things out there like
watch guard.
I think it's called WatchGuard.
What do you guys have whereyou're at, kat?

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Axon same thing Axon.
We've got Axon too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, axon's a shit man.
They've got Monopoly, so deletelaws.
I don't know how familiar youare with my page.
Delete Me and Matt, same pagetype of guy.
I'm not gonna shy away fromanything that I can help it like
if it's work related.
Um, I can't, I just can't man.
Um, uh.
So I hope you understand that,but I do appreciate.

(01:15:53):
And if, if matt says you're agood dude, I'm 100, so I'm going
to put your stuff up there too.
So, um, body cam hidden twoyears, cops off, tim on camera
and there's been zeroaccountability see, that's crazy
to me.
Um, do I think that that's justbecause it's cops that you're

(01:16:13):
wrong?
No, I don't fucking believethat for a second.
We've been caught doing someshady ass shit as police.
It's, yeah, it.
It's like to sit there andthink that all cops and police
all over the world, like I said,this ain't a fucking echo
chamber.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, so we gotta own I know chili from delete laws.
He knows my heart and uh, I'm,I love that dude.
He, he just wants transparencyand accountability too.
I've had many conversationswith him.
Uh, he, he really does meanwell yeah, um, and Andy Fletcher
Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
I haven't got any of his comments up here tonight.
He's a regular, unless you havehigh power lawyer, you don't
know, and that is fair.
That's how the system's set up.
You get a public defender.
You may get a gem.
That does happen occasionally.
You may get a gem with a publicdefender, but the system is set
up that it does not favor thosethat are financially struggling

(01:17:09):
.
That's how I've seen it.
How do you have you seen it,matt?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I yeah it's, believe me, I, I agree 100.
It's sad, it's yeah it is.
It is fucking sad I experiencedthat as a young man.
Um, fortunately I had a dad tohelp me pay for the legal
troubles I got in when I was ayoung man and I just think that
because I've seen parallels fromkids that I've mentored.
The exact same charge that Ihad.

(01:17:34):
I got caught with a pistol whenI was a youngster.
The exact same charge, but theydidn't have a daddy like mine
that helped me out pay the bill.
They got popped with a felony.
Why mine got dropped?
It didn't.
It doesn't make sense, doesn'tseem just to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
I don't like that yep , that's why I tell people the
best cops are.
Everybody wants a cop that wentto four years of college and
did all this shit.
Listen, I got a degree.
It didn't make me a better cop,but I also grew up on that
fucking line of doing dumb shitas a kid and not in in in trying
to stay the right path.
Uh, so it made me a better cop.

(01:18:12):
That's my opinion.
I guarantee it made Matt abetter cop.
Um, what's your thoughts, kat?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Um so I went to a private school.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
But, um, I was always doing silly stuff.
I was, you know, had greatgrades, but I was into art.
My parents could not understandthat.
They wanted me to go themedical route and I was kind of
like just pushing whateverbuttons I could, getting tattoos
at 13.
So, yeah, I did some stuff, butOkay, um, matt knows about

(01:18:49):
tattoos.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I got a couple.
He didn't start getting themthough until he was like 38.
Untrue, Fake news, Fake news,Fake news.
Um so listen, Kat, this is kindof a I like.
I like that you have such aunique background because you're
going to be able to give such aunique perspective.

(01:19:13):
Um, one of the questions Iwould ask is how does somebody
like you show up as a rookie,like your, you know, first
couple of trying to fix adomestic of problems that has
been developing the last 15years, and try to get there and
command a scene and talk peoplethrough that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
That's a tough one.
Even for somebody with time onit's a tough one.
You again go back to trying tobe being relatable, hear each
other out.
You're not going to get to thebottom of their problem but
you're trying to.
You know, at least command thescene to the point where
everybody's safe, If you cantalk to one of them and try to

(01:19:59):
have one of them leave for thenight, just to kind of mediate
the situation.
You know, it might just be onenight but at least you took care
of it for now, because you'renot going to change their lives
in that instant moment.
There's no magic words, that is,that are going to make them
realize.
You know, maybe we shouldn't befighting, maybe we shouldn't be

(01:20:20):
.
You know xyz at the time, butgive them what you can if you
have any knowledge aboutwhatever it is they're arguing
about or whatever be.
You know X Y, Z at the time,but give them what you can If
you have any knowledge aboutwhatever it is they're arguing
about or whatever it is.
You know they're going through,you give it, but again, it's
just the safety at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I think when you humble yourself Matt likes
to say this when you humbleyourself, like so, exactly what
you said, like for me and I'vedone this even as a cop of you
know, 10, 15 years when I wasdoing it I would show up and be
like, listen, you guys have beentogether longer than I've been
a cop.
There's nothing that I'm goingto be able to tell you that that

(01:20:56):
I can help fix this.
But here's what I haveavailable to me and this is my
options because of what you guyshave told me.
Like, right now I have noviolence.
I've got a verbal argument only.
So I'm going to makesuggestions, so I don't have to
come back out Now.
You guys can take them or leavethem, but no illusions that

(01:21:17):
we're going to solve theproblems tonight.
So, if everybody's looking outfor the best interest of their
loved one and I try to make themremember they love each other
let's be the person that has anoption to go somewhere else.
Let's do that.
But, like you said for mysuggestion for you young
officers out there, don't try tobe something you're not, don't

(01:21:39):
try to pretend.
Yeah, I totally understandwhere you're coming from.
No, the fuck, you don't.
You don't.
You don't, even if you, even ifyou're old like me and matt
like you, sometimes we stilldon't.
All we can do is say, man, likethis is how my life is, this is
how my wife is, this is whatI've seen, uh, and it may be

(01:22:01):
close, but it probably isn't.
And you, you just tell themlike I can't say that I know
what you're going through, buthere's my options, this is what
I can do.
That's how we start gettinginto that verbal judo.
But humbling yourself, officers, that is the way to go and it
sounds like, kat, that's exactlywhat you were talking about is
just being able to say like, hey, I can't solve your problems

(01:22:21):
and yeah, I understand I'venever been through what you're
going through, but here's what Ican do.
So I think that's a goodapproach.
I like that.
Yeah, it's human.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
It is yeah, being human.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
You just gotta be human.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Yeah, absolutely Nothing disarms people easier
than just being a human being.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, somebody was asking is delete laws?
They can't see his chat.
He is under um matt's youtubechannel and I don't know why
it's not showing up for y'all.
So, um, I don't know how thatworks.
I don't know how it workseither.
We, we are working on gettingobs.
That's going to be um, we'regoing to switch platforms, uh,

(01:22:59):
from restream what we use to obs, so that way everybody's stuff
can just be incorporated intoone thing.
I just don't know how to use it, so that's why we need alan,
and alan's gonna get that goingfor us.
Uh, delete law said you can'tmake cops.
You, you can't make cops goodwhen they are taught these

(01:23:19):
policies, procedures andprotocols torture cuffs are
always torture.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
What do you got for that, matt?
Hold on one second, let me getthis dog first, you son of a
bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I'll take the tough question then Policies and
procedures and protocols, thatis, they're not laws.
So every cop has their owndiscretion on how they implement
those things.
So this is why I get into.

(01:23:51):
It's more important for you.
I would rather and we talkedabout this on the last one, I
was on high school diplomaversus being a high school
graduate that immediately wentto college for four years and
then jumps into being a cop.
Why?
Because you're going to be moresocially adept than the person

(01:24:15):
more likely to be socially adeptthan the person that did four
years of college and jumpedright into police work.
That having a degree does notmake you a better cop.
Social skills that is 99.98percent of the job.
Social skills that's my opinion, cat, what do you think were
you?
Was I talking right at you andnot knowing it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
uh no, I.
I was a visual merchandiserbefore this.
I didn't even imagine becominga cop.
I was again in the creativerole and I thought I was going
to be in the creative role for awhile and I had somebody kind
of change my mind about it andthen I got into policing.

(01:24:58):
So I had no intention ofbecoming a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Okay, so you didn't know you wanted to be a police
officer.
No, how the fuck did you getinto police work?

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
So I was taking classes and one of my professors
I like crime shows, likedocumentaries.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
I love Joe Kenda the detective and that was always
interesting to me, but I neversaw myself in any of those roles
.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
So I was doing visual merchandising at the time and I
was going to school and I had aprofessor.
This man would walk into theroom.
He would always jingle thecoins in his pockets.
He would always jingle thecoins in his pockets.
And this was a class on crimeand, like you know how to handle

(01:25:51):
certain situations.
But it was also a little bit of, I felt, like he was bordering
psychology and there was alwaysthese questions about what would
you do in this situation?
What would you do?
And he was a retired policecaptain from the city.
So one day a test came up andhe's like I think you should
take the test.
And I'm like, no, thank you, Iwas in visual merchandising, I

(01:26:12):
plan to be in visualmerchandising.
He's like, no, I think youshould take a test.
So every day he would tell meyou know, you should take the
test, you should take the test.
Finally, I'm like I just wanthim to stop asking me.
I'm going to take the test.
So I took the test and I foundmyself sitting about, sitting on

(01:26:32):
the couch, thinking about it,like, okay, who would I be if I
was in that role?
How would I act?
And I knew what I didn't like.
And he always said well, youknow what you don't like, so
just don't be that cop.
So just don't be that cop.
And I scored 100 and I got onand I stayed on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
And you like it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
I like it, yes, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I like that.
I actually one of my bestfriends from my department, his
roommate, was scheduled to gotake the civil service test.
He was like I don't want totake it alone, come with me.
And he went and took it withhim, take it alone, come with me
.
And he went and took it withhim.
Well, my friend who was in theacademy with me now he passed it
and then his buddy didn't scorehigh enough, so he ended up

(01:27:12):
being a badass cop, like I mean,amazing detective, amazing
detective.
So shout out to Witten.
And now he's a sergeant andwe're sergeants together.
And it's just fun because here Igot a guy that didn't.
I always knew he was gonna be acop.
He didn't know he was gonna bea cop.
And when I talk aboutbartenders specifically, he's

(01:27:33):
one of those dudes I'm talkingabout, because that's what the
fuck he was doing before hebecame a cop and he became a
badass cop.
So I subconsciously that'sexactly who I'm talking about is
my buddy, whitten.
So shout out whitten.
Um, amazing cop, amazingsergeant.
Uh, love the dude.
And um, yeah, his the.
The way he can talk to people isbecause of what he did, growing

(01:27:53):
, you know, and he had no cluehe wanted to be a cop.
He ended up being a great cop.
No college degree, nothing likethat.
So, fucking mr billful,everybody's trying to get me to
change the settings and stuff.
I'm I don't have thecapabilities of doing that right
now.
Between that, the smoke wagonand chatting guys, I can't do
all those things.
But let's finish this video.

(01:28:14):
I want to see how this thingplays out.
We've only gotten through onevideo so far.
It's kind of funny.
I love it.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Don't reach.
Keep your hands up, looks likehe's keeping his hands up.
He was reaching towards hiswaistband.
Get on your stomach, I shot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Okay, listen, cops.
One talks Both of you arebarking commands.
You're going to get this personhurt.
We see this far too often.
I've seen videos just on felonystops One person saying keep
your hands up, the other onesaying spin in a circle, and the
other one's like get on yourknees If any of the other

(01:28:59):
officers are trying to perceivewhat the commands are, you're
fucking with your own people.
You're fucking with the personthat's getting commands shut up.
This dude fired.
He was already given commands.
It's his call.
Let him do his thing.
Um, I had to gotta stop for asecond.
Marine blood said something hehadn't been talking all night.
So, uh, shout out, marinesblood.
Uh many calls shouldn't be madeand should be handled

(01:29:21):
domestically.
The main problem is too manypeople these days are so
immature and stupid cannot talkit out or figure it out on their
own, yeah, and then they relyon police to solve all of their
problems, and sometimes we comeand we just enhance the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
That's where you need to have a de-escalator, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yes, yeah, it's kind of like a Terminator, but the
exact opposite.
Yes, yeah, it's kind of like aTerminator, but the exact
opposite.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
Dad jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
That's what we do.
Pretty soon it'll be grandpajokes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Right yeah, hey, I got cat to laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
So I still got it, baby.
I'll put your statement there.
Guys, I'm going to say with thetwo commands yeah, I have
trouble playing.
Remember the old game Simonsays I had trouble playing.
Imagine if there was threeSimons trying to keep up in a
stress level.
Yeah, Up as high as it is withguns, and if I like like one,
everyone shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Let one guy go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Yeah, yeah, he do brings up a great case.
It reminds me of PhilandoCastile, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Philando Castile.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Give me your ID.
Don't reach for the gun.
Yeah, oh my God, that poor kidthat was crawling in the hallway
of a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
That's the worst one.
Yeah, oh, my God, I'm going toget in a bad mood if I leave the
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
But that would really , really make me mad.
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, I'm the same.
Do you know which one we're?

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
referring to yeah, I don't know the one in the
hallway one yeah, there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
It's a hotel hallway thing.
You'll, if you just look upthat, you'll see.
Um, I don't want to get intothat one right now.
That's not the point of thisone and it just, like matt said,
it just just fucking pisses meoff.
So, um, I don't want to talkabout that one.
Uh, let's see here, keepplaying.
Where's the play button?
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Let's give it a custom.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Okay, so we're communicating.
You know what I love thatthey're doing here, matt.
That oftentimes we see in thesevideos is they're not just
sitting there letting thismotherfucker bleed out, they're

(01:31:30):
getting up there Like god itdrives me.
And listen, guys, it only takestwo of you.
One cover one.
Go up like this.
We need 17 officers before wecan approach.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Oh, we'll wait 10 minutes for a shield and this,
that and that, like dude.
Right, there's a human beingdown there.
Yeah, it's sad that you didsomething.
Just had to happen to him if hehad a weapon and it was a legit
shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
But man, go get that dude, somehow that's still a
human being Right, and that'swhat we signed up for you know,
Like you try to tell other copslike, oh, I don't want to get
shot, like, listen, sometimesyou got to earn your paycheck,
yeah, you to earn your paycheck.
Yeah, you fired the gun, nowyou've got to pay the piper.
It's time to get up there andstart taking care of what we got

(01:32:08):
to take care of, like now.
Don't get me wrong if he'ssitting there holding an ak, I'm
not telling you that, but wecan see his hands yeah like get
the fuck up certain risks thatwe take in this job is accepted.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Um, taylor made I don't thinkI've said anything from
TaylorMade tonight Create thatarrest plan.
One goes hands-on, the othercovers.
Yeah, agreed, it doesn't take alot of communication, it's just

(01:32:32):
a matter of communicating.
Oops, I'm sorry, I was tryingto share Delete laws because
nobody said they can see it.
Matt, I'm bringing in somepeople.
Hell yeah, do it Chili.
Matt, I'm bringing in somepeople.
Hell yeah, man, do it Chili.
Can I call you Chili?
I'm sorry, man, I don't mean toyeah that's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Chili, I heard you calling him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Chili.
So that's what I was going tosay too, so I apologize.
So, all right, let's keep going.
I want to just see, I want tosee him get up to the cuffing
part and start rendering aid,and we'll go.
All right, I don't likecrossing in front of your buddy.

(01:33:08):
But oh, there's another holyshit.
They got a lot of cops there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
I didn't expect that hey, check them, but I don't
think I hit him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
I'll check you said he hit my head, he hit my head.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Ooh, his leg, and his leg, what was?

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
that Kat.
I thought, he said leg.
Yeah, he said.
I think he said I swear, I'llgo back, I'll fuck it, I'll go
back, I swear.
He said head, you hit my leg,you hit my leg.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
I heard the leg.
You hit my leg, what up, whatup, what up.
Hey, check him.
But I don't think I hit him.
I'll check.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Did you hear head right there?
I heard leg.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
I'm going to go back one more time because I swear I
keep hearing him say head.
Somebody tell me I'm not crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Yeah, I'm going to go back one more time, because I
swear I keep hearing him sayhead.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Somebody tell me I'm not crazy.
Hey, check him.
I don't think I hit him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I'll check he hit his leg, he hit my leg All right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Yeah, it was a leg.
It was a leg.
Yeah, my bad, I was doublingdown on that motherfucker.
Oh shit, all right, oh shit,all right, oh shit.
Is that what I meant to do?
Share screen, share, Bam, bam,bam, boom.
All right, we'll get into thisnext one here.

(01:34:41):
It's like we're doing a trafficstop, basic stuff here.
Person's pulling over Notexactly where I want them to
pull over, but Stolen Explorer.
We're yielding at you.
Did he say stolen Explorer?
I thought he said stolen.
Yeah, yeah, he said stolenExplorer.
Okay so, Kat, you know this isa stolen vehicle.

(01:35:04):
How are you approaching this?

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
I mean, this is a felony car.
Stop at this point, Agreed.
So I'm approaching on the rightside.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Are you going to approach the vehicle on the
felony stop?
So I mean, if you can go,you're going to approach the
vehicle on the felony stop.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
So I mean, if you can go, you're going to ask for
backup.
Have backup, meet you.
Um, not every car has thoseradios and is equipped with it.
To um the the mics to let themknow the loud, the loud hail
speakers.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Um, if I have that, I'm going to try to make
commands through that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
If I don't have that, I'm going to approach on the
right side with backup on scene.
The only thing is I havequestions.
Are there tinted windows?
Because if there's tintedwindows, I'm thinking twice
about approaching.
There's there tinted windows?
Because if there's tintedwindows, I'm thinking twice
about approaching.
There's not tinted windows.
The command would be roll downthe windows, approach, see what

(01:36:13):
you can inside the vehicle.
You know, but you want cover.
I'm thinking too many things atthis point.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
What do you got Matt?

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, if it's a stolen it would be a felony.
Stop um, and I see chili justasked the guns that had guns
wouldn't be at the head.
Be at the kind of like a littleready you know, just because
it's, it's because it is thesituation, we always go to the
back and we take cover behindour squads and then yell out
commands and have them stop andjust toss the keys and

(01:36:43):
de-escalate the best you can yep, yeah, so if you guys are out
there, the the thing to do, andI don't know, I don't every
every city it has maybe adifferent trend.
The thing to do here is the.
The youngsters steal cars hereand then they go.
They always have guns.
They always go rob people withcars or do their shootings with
with the storm, but that'sthat's just.
Uh, that's the joy riding thesedays.
It always has has, uh, somesort of gun and some sort of

(01:37:06):
robbery with it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
90 of the cases here yeah, the kia boys, yeah, they
kick that off.
So, yeah, so, and it depends onwhere you guys are at now.
Us three we work in majorcities, so this is common like,
and guns are related to that.
However, it's going to beharder for you to picture that
if you're from a smaller city,like you don't see that over

(01:37:30):
there as often.
So you're like what the fuckare you talking about?
Why would guns automatically berelated?
Well, it's not that theyautomatically are in your area,
but in policing they are.
So, um, let me see.
Well, I tried to get, uh,delete laws.
What do you say there?
He said uh, that's a nice story, but that's not what we see on

(01:37:50):
camera every day.
Um, fair enough.
Uh, I, I don't disagree withyou.
I've seen plenty of videos.
Officers aimed out mepersonally.
I'm at the ready, low or highready, I get it't be To me it
shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
I believe our policy.
I think they changed it at RPD.
Yeah, it should be at the lowand it shouldn't be pointed at
unless it's a deadly threat.
I mean, that's the basic ruleof firearms, Right?
So that should not be, Julie, Iagree.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Yeah, somebody said let me go back.
I don't want them to think thatI'm trying to Shit.
You guys started commentinglike crazy.
I missed it.
I saw it.
I saw my name, so I was tryingto get that up there.
Delete laws would like to chatwith you.
Oh, there it is.
Gloria said Sergeant Levine,will you have a debate with

(01:38:43):
delete laws?
Why do I need to debate them?
I don't have a problem chattingand asking questions and doing
what we're doing, but I don'tneed to have a debate.
I don't think.
I don't know.
What do you think, matt?
Do we need to debate?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Have different people on.
Yeah, I don't mind having themon like yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Yeah yeah, here's the thing, guys.
You gotta understand.
I'm still employed, like so it.
It kind of sucks because I'mhamstringed.
There's certain things.
I'm the same way it's the sameway that we're hamstring.
We can't say certain things.
So Delete Laws is going to comein here and beat my ass.
No, I mean, I'm not lying, hewould.

(01:39:31):
He'd destroy me.
I can't talk, I can't say thethings that I want to say.
I'm neutered.
This is the best you get.
That's what makes this show sounique.
You've got two active actuallya lot of us are active cops, but
we're neutered.
Certain things we can't say.
It sucks.
I'm giving you the best I canright now and I push that limit

(01:39:52):
every show I promise you.
So I'm trying to give you thebest I can For those that
appreciate it cool.
For those that think I'm fullof shit, I'm sorry.
Nothing I can do to change yourmind on that.
So appreciate you, country girl.
Um, but uh, yeah, and, and Matt, you know, tell Chili.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Oh, I know he, he, he , I I'm, he's a friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Yeah, he said, as you can imagine, as though I'm
talking to my friend matt, I'llbe cool.
No, I'll totally be cool, I andI, I think you would be, I
think, if matt's vouches for you.
I'm with you, bro these talksand uh yeah there's a certain
thing that they'll, they'll.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Uh, what is that block for?

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
yeah, and honestly I, I have no problem having you on
I just I don't want you to getfrustrated.
When I'm like I can't sayanything on that, I can.
I'm like I can't say anythingon that, I can't talk about that
, I can't say that.
So that's kind of how thatwould be, bro.
I just want to give you fulldisclosure because you're going
to be like, well, this isfucking.
I don't want it to suck for you.
I guess that's what I'm trying.
Mr Bill Foltz said.
But let's be honest with IAinvestigating and finding no

(01:41:09):
wrongdoing, it doesn't seem thata policy on weapons at the
ready will be effective.
It just depends.
Like I said, if IA wasn'teffective, do you think I would
be as afraid to talk about thestuff I want to talk about If
they weren't effective?
Do you think I would be thisparanoid to have like delete
laws?
Come on here and talk to him.

(01:41:30):
They're effective, Trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Well, the thing with stuff like that.
I mean that takes everyonebeing accountable, it takes the
officers around.
I'm looking to the side andcalling.
My guy's got an AR pointed atsomebody's head when he don't
need to be like dude.
We need to come together as ateam and call this out, right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah, Small Miracles Garage which is a cool name, by
the way said don't be scared,Stand up for the Constitution
you swore to uphold.
I do.
I just I can defend your rights, but I don't have the same
rights you have.
I can say what I want, but thenI'm going to have to suffer the
consequences of beingunemployed.
Can't do that.

(01:42:10):
I got kids, I got a wife, I gotfamily to support and I can do
a lot of good out in the streets, and I think I do.
And that's what I'm going tocontinue to do and I'm going to
continue to keep all thoseofficers that you guys see out
there, those very vulnerablezero to five year officers, in
check.
That's what you need me outthere doing.
So that's, uh, that's my pointof view.

(01:42:32):
Sorry, Kat, we're kind ofwhat's Ooh?
Is that that guy's name?

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Matt, who's that?
What is that?
I don't know, Chili.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
What's that mean, brother?

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I don't know.
Everybody's saying Otvo Chili.
What is it, man?
I feel left out.
What Wild Wolf, mr Wild Wolf,you uphold what?
Uphold the Constitution.
I uphold the constitution, Iuphold the constitution.
That's what I try to do.
Uh, how come you keep readingotvo am I?

(01:43:12):
Am I going crazy here?
What everybody's saying?

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
it isn't just us otvo oh, he's the overturned terry
versus ohio.
That's a whole another show wetalk about, about that's what he
means.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
I'm like what the fuck does that?
Mean I don't even understandwhat that means that's an
interesting discussion okay,well, yeah, we're not going to
get into that tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
We're already almost two hours in you know how we got
the qualified immunity expertcoming on and that would be, a
great show the Terry versus Ohioyeah, that would be a great
show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
The terry versus ohio yeah, that would be a good one
too.
I I've never heard an argumentfor that, so that would be kind
of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Yeah, I would love to hear that chili's got an
interesting one yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, that could be the time,
and I've heard, not just him,I've heard it from a lot of
people just yeah yeah, I wouldlove, I would love to to hear
that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Um, what is code name JDB?
You're a terrorist.
You uphold nothing.
Oh, fair enough.
It's crazy that you came tothat conclusion in the three
minutes that you've come on hereand seen us talk so interesting
.
I'm glad that you're not apolice officer, because that

(01:44:22):
conclusion you came to wasawfully quick, with no evidence
to back it up Weird.
So if you came here, if youjumped on and you were like I'm
going to troll the shit out ofthese guys and get them all
worked up, you get up the wrongpeople, bro, we don't shy away,
but we also don't partake inyour trolling, I promise you.

(01:44:43):
So if I don't get QI show Imean Mr Billfold, you are going
to, I'm going to get Vaughn andyou are definitely going to get
on the QI show, brother.
So make sure you have a mic andmake sure you have your camera
ready.
We will get you on there.
Let's see here.
Oh, delete losses.

(01:45:03):
That's not our guy Matt, guymatt.
Oh, so he doesn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
We know, uh, a lot of them on here like like uh, the
people that that just will hateyou just to yeah because they
don't really know it'sunderstood, I never take.
I've never taken that person.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
I don't take offense to it.
I I just I, you know you have amessage.
There's ways to get yourmessage out.
Like we're here trying to kindof talk about things, but you're
not really giving us theability to talk about it.
So if you don't want to give usthat opportunity, I'm trying to
get to this comment whowouldn't want to stop placing
hands on people unless a crimewas committed warrants them?

(01:45:44):
Hands on people unless a crimewas committed warrants them.
I mean, sometimes a crimehasn't been committed.
Like, for instance, there'stimes where I have to get
through a crowd because there isviolent things happening in the
middle and people are in theway and you tell them to move
and they're not moving.
You have to push your waythrough a crowd.
Like they haven't necessarilycommitted a crime that I'm going

(01:46:07):
to enforce, but there are timesthat you do put your hands on
people and that's just the wayit is.
Um, which is?
It's legal.
There's, there's supreme courtrulings that say that you're
allowed to do that.
Just depends on what you'retalking about.
So let's get to this video.
I want to.
I want to keep going on this,so we'll get to the comments in
a second capital.
And what?

(01:46:31):
was it across I'm on our valley,driver I.
I know we don't mondayquarterback, but I don't.
I'm unassing my vehicle as soonas I can.
I don't like sitting knowingI'm behind a stolen vehicle.

(01:46:55):
Okay, let me go back.
If I'm alone, I'm not evengoing to activate my lights
until I know I've got backupwith me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Matt, I'm with you, you have to have someone that's
a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Yeah.
So to me, we've already got amistake here.
I wouldn't have pulled this carover alone.
Why?
Because you can start to forcein a situation that you didn't
need to force, like if this guygets out or he does something
dumb, like you're alone.
Now your level of force isgoing to be higher because
you're alone, and that's howyou're going to justify it.

(01:47:32):
Well, I'm by myself.
Well, did you have to be byyourself?
No, you didn't have to be you,you did this.
So things to learn.
So, uh, kat, you got anythingto add on that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
No, I agree, you know , if you have eyes on it, that's
good enough until you can getsomebody to back you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
I think you can always wait.
All right, let's keep goinghere.
Start me Tom Water Priority.
Receive Tom Water Priority.
Oh, somebody said it's still indrive.
Ryan Holsinger said he'srunning because it's still in
drive.
I didn't even notice.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
He didn't put it in park oh, good eye, right, that's
a good eye and he gone.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
I just want to point out you know these people in
these cars right here becausethey were looky-looing.
They're probably like, oh shit,it's going down, they're all
pumped up and they got thecameras out, yeah, while they're
driving.
Ooh, maybe contact.
So from here, calling it out,getting frustrated people.
Don't get out of your way.
From here, calling it out,getting frustrated People, don't

(01:48:45):
get out of your way.
Everybody out there.
When lights and sirens go on,you are to move over to the
right, the far most right.
I understand sometimes you guyspanic and you're like, well,
it's easier to go right here andwe can split the light.
No, all the way to the rightGet over everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Why would you go to the right when you can park in
the middle of the road?

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Doesn't that happen so often?

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
It does.
Officers, don't get frustrated.
Don't sit there on camera andbe like just dumb motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Don't do that shit either.
It's just part of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
It's part of what it is.
You have front row tickets tothe greatest show on earth.
Just enjoy the process.
If you can keep this job asthat is, you know you're not
entertainment at other people'sexpense, that's not what I mean.
But your personal entertainmentlike this is this is a fun job
like, just keep it fun.
Um, if you can keep thatmindset that it helps you calm

(01:49:42):
down and not take everything soserious.
If you catch him, you catch himGreat.
If not, guess what You'll catchhim later.
Like that's just the way thisway goes Do what you can, but
keep the public at.
So for me, as a supervisor, I'mwanting to know what the road
conditions are, what's thetraffic like, how, whatever our
speeds right now Westbound.

(01:50:05):
Westbound Trousburg, westboundTrous traffic like how, whatever
our speeds right now, westbound, right now traffic's about as
thick as I'm comfortable with,like this is.
This may be a little past mycomfort level.
Um, each person's a littledifferent.
Um, matt, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
yeah, it's every.
Every uh pd's got a differentpolicy.
Chase policy, uh, this probablywas too congested during the
day, vehicles around to evenrisk it just for for that, when
you didn't see it and all it waswas a steal.
There's, uh, I just say why,why put the public at risk is
how I would personally look atit.
Um, whatever, yeah, it's a.

(01:50:50):
It's a lot of liability.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
You hit somebody gotcha cat, what do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
I agree, and unfortunately we don't have the
uh, the best cars, so I'm nottaking a risk.
Uh, I don't even know if I'dtake that risk in my own car.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
Right, all right.
I'm just trying to read throughthe comments real quick.
Mr Wild Wolf said please giveDelete Laws a chance to have a
conversation with you aboutAbsolutely.
I'm totally down.
I talked to Matt.
He seems cool with it too, soI'm completely in for that
conversation.
I've actually and I'm beingfully honest I've never heard

(01:51:29):
anybody put up an argument tonot have that.
So I'd be really interested tosee your perspective, and I am a
very objective person.
If you make a logical argument,I'm down, I'm there with you.
So, um, but at the same time,if I push back, like, don't just

(01:51:50):
automatically go to, well,you're a dumb son of a bitch and
you don't, you're a cop.
So it's just no, I'm gonna tellyou my why.
And just let's talk likeregular dudes.
Let's have a beer, let's havesome whiskey, let's have a bro
chat.
So, yes, absolutely delete laws.
We will have that conversation.
I am down for sure.
Um, let's keep going with thevideo.

(01:52:12):
Not today, though.
I don't like this.
I'd have canceled it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
I'm canceling this one.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
There's too many people.
I'm not a big fan of pursuits.
Guys Right here, this ain't bad, but it's just too.
Come and go on this.
I'm not a fan.
Go on this.
I'm not a fan, it's not becauseI don't want to catch this guy,

(01:52:50):
I just don't want anybodyinnocent getting hurt.
Yeah, like, look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
He's driving too dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
He's chasing him in an unmarked car, apparently 36,
still light traffic just passing99.
See, our definition of lighttraffic is different.
That's medium traffic.
At least 36 is number one inthe pursuits.
I'm going to call it number twoStill southbound Speeds of 95.
Light traffic, I'm gonna callit into still southbound speeds

(01:53:34):
of 95.
Jared, not everybody gets thatbrother.
He said we don't have the bestcars.
Question mark, dude, y'alldrive $100,000 Tahoe's charges,
explorers decked out, whateverfucking creature cover you could
have, and every two years youget a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
That's not true, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Who is the y'all he's talking about?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
I don't know.
There are some departments thatget that Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
That's insane Shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Shoot.
I got an officer right now.
Every time they start their carup it's white smoke, it's
burning oil somehow.
And it just got back from theshop.
Dime bag Coins.
I like the name, thank you.
Look forward to your discussionwith Delete.

(01:54:27):
He's a pretty decent person, asy'all seem to be.
I think I've caught a couple ofDelete's things and, yeah, I
think he's always been nice.
He's talking to officers andstuff.
He's been pretty cool.
They pitted him.
Yeah, oh, they got the grappler.
Did it work?

(01:54:49):
Oh, he missed.
Do you see it?
No, yeah, he didn't miss.
So for those that don't knowthat, grappler gets a hold of
the back tire, wraps up into it,locks it up, and then they
basically corral it in like theyjust wrangled a a cow for like
a cowboy in it.
Yeah, it's like a lasso prettymuch.

(01:55:10):
Oh, his shit's all messed upthough.
Oh well, grapplers aren't gonnalike that.
We just made him look bad.
Hey, pazar works about thatmuch too.
So good, pit, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Positive pressure oh my god, I love him gangster is
that one of red, white and bluevodkas?

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
it does look like somebody else is in the car, but
yeah, that's that red, whiteand blue vodka.
Listen, I'm not gonna lie, Iwould have got out of the car
laughing.
I, I, me and patrol.
This is how it would have been.
Like bro, really.
Oh my gosh, that's fuckinghilarious.
This is what I say.
You got to enjoy the job.
Guys like, if you get sowrapped up because you're

(01:56:05):
chasing a felon that's in astolen car, you're more prone to
use force.
He's giving up, he's going out.
Fun-wise, I get.
It Doesn't mean don't stay onyour toes, don't release the dog
.
He's giving up.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Watch that guy.
Watch that guy.
Watch that guy.
All right, good boy, asher,watch that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Watch that guy.
Asher, don't release the dog,he's giving up.
Okay, great ending, nobody hurt.
Nobody hurt it could have.
You know, they may have beenable to release that dog.
I wouldn't have agreed with it.
But I'm going to stop sharingright now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
How much longer you got matt?
Four minutes.
I gotta leave in two seconds,brother, okay yeah you're good?

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
um, all right, uh, before you bounce, uh, let
everybody know where to find you, what you, what you got going
on I am, I got uh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Mfb youthorg is my organization.
We, we, it's a non-profit.
That's my most importantmission in the world.
We, we mentor kids.
We teach them about the Lord.
We, we help walk them throughlife.
All of our kids are mostlyfatherless and would be out in
the streets.
We try to get them out of thatlife.
We love it and everything elseis falls under that.

(01:57:19):
It's all on the website.
It's all on one cop, two cop,one donut.
I say that wrong every week.
Two cops, one donut site uh, mytiktok, uh and my youtube and
uh, yeah, I love, I love doingthis.
We're very, very open.
This is a.
This is a different type ofgroup.
I think a lot of people come inand thinking this is just cop
talk.
We, we keep it real and wethink like uh, I think the

(01:57:41):
public is it's a breath of freshair for to hear us from are
still doing this job, to talkthe way we do.
We relate so well to commonpeople and we give everyone a
talk.
Even if we disagree with us, westill love you.
You're an American, we love youand we're just here to talk and
we don't take nothing personal.

(01:58:02):
That's me.
I'm the only idiot with a blackand white shot on there.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
No man, I like it.
It's badass, Honestly.
No, and you're not the only onewith black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Oh, I see, Okay, daniel's got one too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
Daniel's black and white too.
No, yours is badass, dude.
I love that picture.
That's fucking.
That's a good picture, man.
The ink, you know, makes it pop.
I think it's good and that'show I think of you when I think
of you.
Like that's what I like.
So if you guys go to ourwebsite two cops, one donut, all
spelled out you will be able toclick where everybody in the

(01:58:34):
bio.
You'll be able to clickeverybody's bio and find their
stuff that they put out there.
So, and Matt's stuff is nodifferent.
He's right there.
He's got his little, his biofor you guys to read.
But, more importantly, I justwant people to know what's on
the horizon.
We are working diligently toget Matt his own show under the

(01:58:54):
Two Cops, One Donut.
We're actually trying to workout the Donut Network.
That's one of the things we'recoming down the pipe.
So if we get the donut networkgoing, matt's gonna have his own
stuff popping off on that and,um, something to look forward to
guys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
So, matt, appreciate you, brother, love you, I
appreciate you being here.
It's uh, it's fun.
We do this all the time and Ireally, god bless you, be safe
and uh, yeah, take care guysexcellent, all right, matt, take
it easy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Bud, he doesn't know how to log off.
He's got to ask his wife.
I'll boot you there.
You go Later, bud.
It's too fun.
Taylor made said funny when Ipose like Matt, matt, it looks

(01:59:46):
like it looks sad and depressing.
You don't even need to changethe color of the photo.
Excellent, excellent, um, okay,we're going to.
Uh, I I don't know how long youhave, so you let me know when
you gotta go so I'll give youlike a nice 15 minutes okay,
we'll do one more video thenit's a little later over here on

(02:00:08):
this side.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Yeah you're.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
You're actually an hour ahead of us, so it's 10
here, 11 where you're at yeah um, we'll go.
We'll go.
One more video.
Uh, I don't know what it is,obviously.
Uh, we already watched that,okay, okay, pause.
Let me share screen Beautifulbiggie size and we're off.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Oh he just hit my car .

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
I'm I can't get out, squeeze, he's running into the
woods.
Oh shit, he hit and run a cop.
Um, I was about to say like allright, I'm gonna get out of the
car, uh and, and start tryingto figure out if I just got a
drunk that hit me or what'sgoing on.

(02:01:05):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
He's gone.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
Well, he ran yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:12):
Well, I'm wondering if her screaming was because she
was hurt or because she justgot stunned.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
I'm assuming it's because she got stunned, so I
would get out, and I'm a runner,so I'm gonna run okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm gonna chaseafter him, for sure, but it just
, I didn't expect you to raminto a cop.
I don't think they ran into thecop on purpose yeah but then
they, they ran.

(02:01:39):
So now, yeah, I'm gonna givechase shout out tim owens.
He gifted one membership awayand it looks like slice got it.
So congratulations, appreciatethat, guys.
Um, we are trying to grow, getbigger.
Uh, all the money that goesinto the memberships, um, just
so you guys know, it's not goingin our pockets, it's going
right back into the show.
So appreciate that.

(02:02:00):
This does cost us money, um,and that's how we make it work.
But every time somebody decidesto do a membership, it really
is humbling.
And it's even more humblingwhen our members are giving away
memberships to people.
That's fostering the communitythat we're trying to get.
So it's pretty cool.
Appreciate it, guys.
So let's keep going here.

(02:02:20):
See how this one works out.
She's pissed, okay, she isstressed, max stressed that that
worries me.
Um, it's hard, it's hard tocome down from that.
Uh, cat, you sound frustrated.

(02:02:43):
What do you got?

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
so he's.
I thought he'd be running, likeI.
I thought at this, this point,we're gonna get a scene of him
running and she's gonna berunning.
I'm not sure why she has thatout just yet.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Um, he seems like he's strolling yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's weird, it's not normal,that's for sure.
Uh, country girl say gotta saycat, you're so pretty, remind me
of my granddaughter thank you Ithe night said is that a park,
um ryan holds their big bucks.

(02:03:20):
No whammies on membership.
Oh yeah, oh, I think because itrandomly get when they gifted
it randomly gives somebody.
So, um, he needs donut emojis.
Everybody keeps telling me thatI haven't figured out how to do
that yet.
Guys, I'm just a stupid cop.
I'm trying to learn it as I go.
Uh, let's keep going here.

(02:03:40):
So for me, me from here, verbalcommands.
I'm worried about cars comingacross, so I'm going to try to
get these people to go past me.
I'm not going to make them stop, I want them to get past me and
I'm going to get on the radioand update what's going on.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (02:03:58):
Get on the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Get on the ground, I'll shoot you.
Lay the fuck down.
I know the attorneys right nowhe's saying put the gun away.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
No, the gun's not gonna get put away.
You tried to flee after youjust rammed a cop.
It's not gonna get put away.
However, I kind of like I'mhoping his words are getting
through to her, because she isfucking amped.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
You know what it is.
He's trying to de-escalate thesituation.

Speaker 4 (02:04:33):
Yes, he is?

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Yes, he is.
I hope it's working, because Idon't know what's going to
happen here.

Speaker 4 (02:04:38):
Lay down, lay down.

Speaker 1 (02:04:45):
Lay down.
Okay, this is where thecommunication is gonna have to
come in.
Um, if I'm the the dude comingin, I I may not know that she's
amped up yet yeah oh, this isgonna take some seconds to work
out.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
That's the how I'm seeing this happen it's gonna
take a second what sucks aboutthis is like he sees her gun out
so immediately he thinks thatmaybe there's a threat.
So, right, I'm assuming thathe's also okay.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
Yeah, let's see yeah he wants his attorney right now.
Well guys, um, I don't know ify'all know this, but you do not
get your attorney before thescene's even secure.
That doesn't sound how thisworks.

(02:05:30):
Um, you get your attorney if wedecide to start asking you
questions while you're undercustodial arrest.
That's how that works.

Speaker 4 (02:05:37):
So, um, let's see how this keeps going for nothing I
holding lethal I other thanbeing really amped up I'm okay

(02:06:01):
with how things are.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
It's not how I want them to go, but they're working.

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
I'm not going to complain.

Speaker 4 (02:06:14):
Concerned about she's starting to calm down and
starting to think Okay, Righthere you got to put that I'm
going to bite you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Okay, right here, you got to put that down.

Speaker 3 (02:06:26):
Yeah, I'm flagging a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Yeah, right here, we got to put that down.
We're going to that ready low.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Don't take your hands off me.

Speaker 4 (02:06:36):
I'm cooperating, I'm cooperating, I'm not resisting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
Okay, something to consider for those listening.
Just because you're sayingsomething like I'm not resisting
, I'm not resisting, it doesn'tmean you're not.
However, I believe he is notresisting here.
He's doing what this guy'strying to manipulate him to do
put his hands behind his back.
So Sunday said she shouldn't bea cop.

(02:07:03):
I'm curious why.
What is your argument on thatSunday, other than her being
amped up?
She was able to stay controlledenough.
She didn't fire, she didn'trush in.
She was able to hold lethalcover on this person, which was
appropriate.
She was by herself until thesecond person got here, Other
than this right here, which,again, she just got hit in an

(02:07:26):
accident and then the dude fledLike she's up here.
So we're all susceptible tothat.
I just want you to know.
Even you, we're all susceptibleto that.
I don't see anything happeninghere that she shouldn't be a cop
.
Having them person at gunpointis, you know, that's a trainable

(02:07:49):
thing.
Um, finger off the trigger.
We can't see.
So her finger may not be on thetrigger right now.
If it's on the trigger, then Igot a really big problem.
So let's see here.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
Where's my rights?
Where's my rights?

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
okay, teach's my rights, get off me.
Where's my rights?
Where's my rights?
Okay, teachable moment.
Guys, you don't get your Mirandared unless you're under
custodial rest and they start toask you questions about the
crime.
You could be under custodialrest and I'll just be like, hey
man, you want a sandwich?
I don't have to read yourMiranda rights.
Ask, I don't have to read yourMiranda rights to ask you if you
want a sandwich before you goto jail.

(02:08:24):
Like I can do that, I don'thave to ask.
Hey man, what's your favoritefootball team?
Did you catch the Lions gamelast night?
I don't have to ask, I don'thave to read your Miranda rights
for that.

(02:08:49):
But if I was like, hey man,where were you on Friday night
on the same, noted, just becauseofficers saying stop resisting,
stop resisting doesn't meanthey're resisting.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
I've gotten on the cops forthat before, like you're getting
in this oodle loop.
So, um, she got whacked by atruck.
Anyone would have highadrenaline.
It is possible she is notemotionally fit to be a cop, but

(02:09:11):
this video doesn't demonstratethose facts.
I agree I would need justbecause your voice is super high
and stressed.
I know people that cry and canstill talk through what's going
on.
They're just, for whateverreason, their tears are going.
Like it happens Some peoplejust that's how their emotions
come up.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
Get off him.
Tell him to get off me.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Tell him to get off me.
Let him put the cuffs on.
Shut up, shut up.

Speaker 3 (02:09:40):
You just crashed your car into me.
First of all, I was fleeing.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
I was so scared for my life.
I was fleeing.
I was scared for my life.
I wonder what he was fleeing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
That was interesting.
Okay, okay, let me stop sharingthis.
So, kat, what was yourimpression?
How did you like being on theshow tonight?

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
So I loved tonight.
So I loved it.
I loved it.
This is, I don't know exactlywhat I was expecting.
Yeah Right, but I likeeverybody's mindset, you know.
Yeah, I also like the fact thatit's not just this kind of gung
ho show that is, you know,talking about.

(02:10:24):
Oh, this is what I do, and timeon, this time on yeah the war
stories we have enough of thatyeah right yeah

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
yeah, this is truly.
Actually.
It's more about these guys inthe comment section than it is
about us.
We try to give our perspective,we try to tell it from our
point of view and at the sametime, like I say, they keep us
humbled by keeping us level andbased, because us as cops, we
are surrounded in a fishbowl ofan echo chamber.

(02:10:55):
It's really what it is, and ifyou're in that too long, you're
susceptible to it, just likeanybody else.
So it's nice to have peoplethat are outside of that, giving
you that fresh perspective.
Like I've been in lawenforcement 18 years Now, what's
kept me humbled and straight ishaving friends and family and
all that stuff back from Flintthat ain't like cops.

(02:11:15):
And they give me shit just forbeing a cop, which is funny.
So, um, uh, you know, for meI'm always trying to do those
guys back home problem.
So shout out to all my FlintMount Morris people Clio, all
those guys.
They know who they are.
But just going into thecomments here, can't judge a

(02:11:36):
situation based on voices, pitchor tone.
Agreed, I the Knight, said I'dbe scared too if I ran into a
car of an armed individual andthen they got out and ran.
You're not lying.
You're not lying.
Freeman Keyes said Kat, it wasgreat having you with us tonight
.
Thank you guys, I appreciatethat.
Um, yeah, let us know in thecomments what did you think of

(02:11:59):
Kat.
What was your overallimpression?
Do you want to see her back?
Maybe we can get her back onhere.
Have her ever come do some moreshows with us?
Um, it's nice to have somebodyin that.
Like I said, you're past thatrookie mark zero to five years.
That's what us officers,seasoned officers, look at is
that rookie phase, and then thenyou're starting to get into
that.
So what's are you're?

(02:12:19):
Are you just a patrolman rightnow?
yes is there is there.
Are you moving on to detectiveor anything like that?
What's the thoughts?

Speaker 3 (02:12:28):
I keep getting probed for that.
I you know I don't think that'smy vibe, just because I think I
get too deep into things.
If I worked cases, it would bea little bit too much on me, I
would dedicate too much time toit, and I eventually do want to
start a family.
I have a husband and, you know,hopefully sooner than later we

(02:12:52):
start having kids.
So that is my goal.
Um, and you know, a lot ofpeople put their heart and soul
into their career and eventhough I love it, I have home to
think about too yeah,absolutely, and I think it
shouldn't always come first.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Um, I mean, we were supposed to do the show
yesterday and I told you mykiddo had her last basketball
game of the season.
So we were and talked toeverybody and they're like, well
, we can try to do it tomorrow.
Then I was like, all right,cool, appreciate it.
So that's what's fun about mycrew is family first and then we
start dealing with everythingafter that.
Patrick Truelove said nobodytruly knows how they would act
in any given situation untilthey are in that situation,

(02:13:30):
absolutely.
David Edmonston said we likeher.
Brian Thompson, bring her back.
So Kat, awesome Keeper, love.
Tim thinks she's cool.
She's too subdued for us.
I think she's feeling it out, Ithink.

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
I'm here.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
I think the more we get her going, she'll start
cutting us off Like no, let metalk to She'll get it going, I
promise I'm absolutely open tohaving you back.
Everybody else, yeah, we've ranfor almost two and a half hours
, so I think it was a good showtonight.
I don't have anything else.

(02:14:12):
Kat, thank you so much forbeing on the show.
Let everybody know how they canfind you.

Speaker 3 (02:14:17):
Well, thank you for having me.
You guys can find me on TikTokand Instagram.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
It's at up in New York, that's upinny all right, I
think honestly, I think I haveit ready to go.
Where is it there?
It is there, boom, there we are.
There's cat's page up in ny.
Make sure you guys go to herinstagram.

(02:14:42):
I don't have your tick tock up.
I apologize.
Go there, check it out, checkthe reels out, see what she's
got going on, follow like allthings, um and yeah, that's.
Uh, that's all we got.
Uh, cat, if you could stickaround for just a couple minutes
after we cut off of here I'llsay goodbye to everybody.

(02:15:03):
Guys, thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
We're going to get some moreshows going.
A lot of cool things comingdown the pipe.
Please head to 2Cops1Donut.
We got some swag.
If you want to support the show, we got the metal badges, the
patches, the Velcro patches, allthat kind of stuff.
You guys know me, I don't pushthat shit down your throat.

(02:15:23):
I wait, I do it at thebeginning or at the end and
that's about it.
And then, uh, yeah, likesubscribe if you don't got the
money to help support us, justsupporting us through likes and
follows and all the cool thingskids like.
So do that, but everybody else.
Good night, kat, tell them goodnight.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Good night.
Thanks for having me.

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