LIVE BODY CAM REVIEW! Special Guest Friday's with Frank Dep. Frank Sloup

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I'm your host.
Eric Levine Got with me, asalways.
Banning Sweatland how you doingBanning?
Doing good brother, how are youdoing?
Man?
I'm living the dream andsurprise guest guys.
I didn't put it on theannouncement because I didn't
know until today.
Frank, from Fridays with FrankFrank Slope, deputy Slope, how
are you, brother?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
What's going on?
Man Hanging out tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I know.
Let everybody know, frank, whoyou are, where you're from and
how they can find you.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
No, well, I'm Frank Slope.
I'm from New York, if you'recurious, currently a deputy in
Arizona, and online Instagram Iam frankslopeofficial.
Same thing on TikTok, if you'rea TikToker.
And then I'm Frank Slope onFacebook and Frank Slope on

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YouTube, where you can find thisstuff and a whole bunch of
other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Excellent, I'm going to actually pull up while we're
sitting here bullshitting.
We don't have Alan tonightrunning things behind the scenes
, so I am going to be doing theold school way running stuff
while we sit here and chit chat.
We've got plenty of live videosof stuff to to look at and

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discuss for body cam footage, soI've got all that pulled up.
Uh, we'll be good to go on that, but right now I kind of want
to give you guys if you don'tknow who friday's with frank is,
um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna showyou some highlights.
So that is.
That is not frank slope.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
There is a guy impersonating you, sir I started
when I started tiktok because II didn't do tiktok before until
I had a platform um, when Itried to just be like, oh yeah,
I'm just gonna be frank slope ontiktok, that was taken.
It was like frank dot slope andit was like the frankslope and
like the original frankslope andlike deputy frank.

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So all of those were taken.
There were a ton of of fakeaccounts.
So my first video that I everput up on tiktok was just a
whole screen of all the faketiktok accounts.
So frankslopeofficial ended upbeing what I could get, because
all the other ones were taken.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay, so what we're going to do is I'm going to play
Frank's most popular video onYouTube, according to YouTube's
stats here, so let me share thisscreen.
I want you guys to know justexactly why I fell in love with
this guy.
Oh yeah, so we can have thesame.
And I'm going to play the wholething because he's that it's

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long.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Oh yeah, so we can have the same and I'm going to
play the whole thing becausehe's that tall, it's long, it's
long.
You don't want to play thewhole thing.
Eight minutes 71.
Passing all these cars Get agood look, that guy right there.
See your driver's license,please.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yes, sir, can I ask what you're below for?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Absolutely See your driver's license please.
Yes, sir, can I ask what you'rebelow for?
Absolutely as soon as you seeyour driver's license, I will be
very happy to tell you.
That's not how it works.
First of all, what's your nameand your badge number?
I'm sorry, I do this for aliving.
You don't I tell you how thisworks.
Let me see your driver'slicense, or I'm going to pull
you out of your car and arrestyou for failing to provide ID.
This is a legal request.
I don't want to hear any otherwords out of your mouth except

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here's my driver's license,please.
The music.
And he's like this.
Can you say that again?
Absolutely, I need yourdriver's license so I know who
you are.
I am not asking you, I amtelling you Give me your
driver's license.
My name is.
I don't want your name.
I want a physical ID asrequired by Arizona law.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I will go on.
Let's run this like body camreview live.
I mean, let's just do it.
I want to support thestatements here by Fridays with
Frank in saying that part ofyour ID at least for the state
of Texas and Arizona, I believe,at least for the state of Texas
and Arizona, I believe the IDneeds to be both visually and

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physically inspected.
That is kind of how theverbiage goes.
Now I am speaking out of my assfor Arizona, but I think that
is probably along the same linesfor everywhere else.
There is a visual and physicalinspection of the ID on a
traffic stop.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Frank, you're the expert, you know what.
I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't know exactly what that is he's like.
I don't want to talk out my ass.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, I'm like I don't want to talk.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
I don't think that when he's out of uniform he's
unplugged just like the rest ofus Right, yeah, like the rest of
us.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Fuck, I don't know.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, it's so.
Uh, evidence of identity thatis presented shall contain all
the following informationdriver's name, date of birth,
driver's residence.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So it needs, you need to have something that has all
that on there okay physicaladdress so what we will get
sometimes with, uh, stubbornpeople is they'll just stick the
id on the window and like thereyou go, there's all the
information.
I'm not a traffic guy, so forme if I pulled you over like I'm
looking to get out of thatquick, so I'm like, all right,

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good enough, I'm not giving youthe satisfaction of letting that
bother me, so if I can get yourinfo off it, I'll do that.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
And you know what, I'm even okay with that, like if
someone wants to play that gameand they take their driver's
license and put it up againsttheir window and I can read it
like I'm, I'm good with that.
Yeah, I would, I would, totally, I would accept that I wouldn't
go down the road of, oh, I haveto touch it, like I don't care,
man, just give it to me, showit to me, let me get your
driver's license number.
I'll go go and read it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, like totally fine, not a big deal.
And for other cops out therelistening, here's something to
consider.
Now, at least I know I've gotone hand occupied.
It's just the only thing thatcan kill us is hands.
So if I've got a hand occupiedby sits stuck up against the
window or maybe both hands, likehey get the info, cause you,

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hey, get the info because yougot what you need and move on
Like just don't let your ego getin the way because he's not
doing it the exact way you wanthim to do it.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I'm totally, I'm pliable, like that driver's
license in the licensee'simmediate possession at all
times when operating a motorvehicle and on demand of a
justice of the peace, a policeofficer or a field deputy or
inspector of the department, alicensee shall display the
license.
So if you show it to me througha window that's displaying it,

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that's displayed.
Yeah, I'm totally good with it.
Not, hey, my name's George.
That doesn't work, right, sorry, sorry.
Hey, my name's George.
That doesn't work, right, sorry, george, you got to give me
some sort of license.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Right, yeah, tim E on YouTube said the only place
that requires a reason set upfront is California, I do
believe.
Other than that, provide thatid when requested and what tim
is saying is that in californiathe officer is required to say

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up front hi, you know, gothrough their seven step
violator thing, but they have totell you why they pulled you
over arizona is not one of thosestates yeah, not one of those.
I will tell you this.
I I've always included that.
My whole process thoughtprocess for telling you is I'm
trying to eliminate anyarguments or any defense that

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you may.
You're building up, so I'mgoing to be like hey, I'm
Officer Levine, I work with suchand such.
The reason I pulled you over isthis is there any reason you
were doing this, or is there?
any reason this and then nowyou've got a reason, I'm giving
you an out, I'm letting you.
Maybe you have a viable reason.
You know, I I was speedingthrough a school zone because I

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had a butcher knife hanging outof my back, because my wife.
That's a good reason that thatwas a call I had.
That legitimate guy is doing 72through a school zone, pulled
him over.
He was pretty close to thehospital but I went up to
motherfucking him in the windowlike what the fuck are you doing
, you know?
And I get there.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I'm like see just a handle hanging out of his back
like oh, holy shit, yeah now Isee why you were speeding so uh,
and the majority of the time,like, if you watch a whole bunch
and this just happened to bethat I just happened to read the
driver, um, but the majority ofmy other stops, you know, if
someone's like looking for theirlicense or they're making some

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attempt, like I, I tell themit's not a secret, like it's
eventually they're gonna,they're gonna know, right, it
just ended up being with thisdriver, just the way that he
like I guess it was just my readof him, um, he just he wanted
to argue and you know, sometimesyou're just in the mood to
argue and arizona law andpennell county sheriff's office

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policy allows me to do that.
So, yeah, I don't have to tellyou and I typically do as a
common courtesy, but just withthis specific driver, it just I
didn't and there's not a reason.
But it's not against any policyor procedure.
And obviously what people don'tunderstand is these videos are
made by the sheriff's office,right, I did something that

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violated law or policy or didsomething that was improper in
any way.
We wouldn't put it out on theInternet because we own all of
this.
The cameraman works for thesheriff's office, right?
So it's not like it's this likeviral video that someone caught
me doing something wrong andthey're like I got you, I got,
look at what I did, look at whatI found.

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Like, yeah, we put this outthere because this guy was a
jerk.
Um, I was within the boundariesof law and policy and sometimes
jerks just need to be put intheir place so that they stop
being jerks, and that needed tohappen in this particular
situation.
But the overwhelming majorityof the time, I tell someone

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because it's not a big deal andit's not a secret and in all
probability, I'm going to writeit down on a piece of paper for
you anyway.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's the difference between traffic cops and real
cops.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
So you guys know what I'm saying.
I see what you did there.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I slipped that in there, right?
Let's keep going with this,because I love it.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
I am asking you when I'm getting pulled over.
I will tell you as soon as Isee your driver's license.
I will gladly give you mylicense.
I like Deputy.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Regan 10-1-24.
I like you, deputy Slope, I getsome identification of the
reason why I'm getting pulledover.
Let's use it.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
All right.
Well, I'm Deputy Slope.
I work for the Pinal CountySheriff's Office Traffic Unit.
The reason I stopped you isyou're traveling 71 miles an
hour in a posted45-mile-per-hour zone.
We also see registration andcurrent proof insurance hour in
a posted 45 mile per hour zone.
We also see registration,current proof insurance.
Unless it's going to magicallyappear in your hands, you would
have to right, oh that was notnecessary.
Frank nope, no, it was just Iwas.

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I was just aggravated.
Yeah, and it's so funny because, like you would think, even q
even yeah, yeah, so it's.
However, if a police officerasks you for something, you
would imagine that, upon the thethat request being made, it
would be acquiesced by a motiontowards the glove box, where the

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registration and insurance aretypically kept.
So I felt like it was a fairlylogic-based, linear answer to a
linear question.
So it's, I mean it was yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah, it was yeah, it might have been a little snarky
.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Fair.
Okay For me if I'm going tocritique, because I try to be
fair and objective across theboard.
I agree.
You are a public servant, sir,and the comment unprofessional.
I'll give you thatUnprofessional.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Unprofessional.
I'll give you that.
However, another thing that Ilike to say is we're human.
There's a difference betweenhonest mistakes and then
somebody being intentionallydifficult, intentionally being a
pain in the ass, and all that.
I do think that this person,they needed some level of

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control because you just caughtthem and this was a flex of
control.
So there goes that age-olddebate Like where do you stop
letting people be bullies asmuch under the law as you can?
You were arguing the law andyou were giving it back as much

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as you were getting it.
Yes, so I'm okay with that,because at the end of the day,
you were going to write theticket, no matter what.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Oh, I was going to write the ticket as soon as the
number popped up on my LIDARRight.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It didn't matter who you talked to, who it was, he
did 20 plus, unless he had abutcher knife sticking out of
his back yeah, or, as you liketo say, a criminal amount of
speed.
Criminal amount of speed, Ilove it.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Let's keep going the music is awesome all of your
information still current, stillliving on Mesa.
I don't answer any questions,okay.
I had to get on my phone.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
You're the one who decided it needed to be
recording so you could also useit to provide current proof
insurance.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Not giving him any ammo.
I love it.
Got him.
Constitutional Country.
Girl News that I match energyin all encounters.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
You're required to provide it in a amount of time
that would be.
Right, it's coming up right now.
Okay.
It's giving me 15 seconds.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Mm-hmm, you're a patient.
Man, I love it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Come on, get your boat, get away from me.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
So while I'm sitting here and I am a public servant.
Is there any other?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
questions I can answer for you, reference or
contact.
Okay, Just wanted to make surethe public's good.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh man, we're late this whole time.
Is he trying to pull it up on atwo-wheel?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, all right, will you keep working on that?
There's no reason to beconfrontational like that.
There was no.
Part of my contact with him wasconfrontational, super simple
and cordial, and he just, forsome reason, just can't seem to
understand that there's asequence of events that

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transpires here in Pinal Countyand if he doesn't like that,
maybe he needs to move back toMesa.
As soon as he recorded me and Iasked him hey, I need your
driver's license, he's like I'dbe happy to give it to you, but
before that, when he wasn'trecording me, he absolutely
wouldn't.
So that's why you can't believeeverything that you see online

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is because there was that wholeentire contact that happened.
Then he starts to record andall of a sudden he's just the
nicest guy and I'm this big meanguy.
That's just demanding stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
I like it All.
Right.
You guys have seen a little bitof Fridays with Frank.
Now you know exactly who we'retalking about and what we're
dealing with.
Cree G, Cry G Is this live?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yes, this is live.
We're live right now.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
We're live right now and you are a part of it.
I remember Ristow said isn't 26miles per hour over reckless
driving?
Why wasn't this car towed?

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Frank, the answer is in and of itself speed only is a
violation in the state ofArizona isn't considered
reckless, At least not 26 over.
I mean, if he was doing 100 ina 45, maybe that would show a
blatant disregard for the safetyof others, but simply speed on
a two-lane road like thatwouldn't be considered reckless.

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He wasn't cited for reckless,so yeah, that's why I wasn't
towed.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, Tim said I always keep paper insurance card
on me because I never know whenmy phone is going to decide to
be a douche.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Tim, I do the same thing.
I think it's something that oldmen do.
I print out Right now, thisvery minute minute.
I have a paper insurance cardin my truck.
Um, I get it off, I get itoffline and I do it there.
So I like it, I do it both yeahyeah for me.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Um, I have my insurance and all that saved as
a under photos as a favorite,but I also have my paper one in
the vehicle just in case.
But it gets sent in the mail tome, so why not have it?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, you're so technologically advanced.
Yeah, I try to be.
I want to cover all avenues.
That's what I do.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
What about you Banning that's the same thing.
I mean, we've got probably acouple copies in each vehicle
and when we're cleaning ourvehicles we're making sure we're
throwing out those old copies.
Nothing used to perturb me morewhen somebody handed me an
insurance card.
I'm like this expired fouryears ago.
Can we maybe come up with onethat's within the last 90 days.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
That'd be great.
Same thing with registrationLike this one's from 2015.
This one's from 2017.
This one's from 2017.
You were registered a decadeago.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Congratulations, frank.
I don't know if you have whatwe have here in Texas and a lot
of cops don't know the name ofit, but it's called Texas Sure.
When you run that 28er licenseplate in our T-lets it comes
back with an additional screenwhich is Texas Sure.
That's actually paid for by theinsurance conglomerates and it
shows us it recycles every 24hours.

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If their insurance is trulygood, it'll tell you more than
45 days expired, unless thewording's changed.
I've been out for a few months,but it gives you all that
information.
That's great for hit and runsbecause it's going to give you
policy number and everything.
If they were able to get thatlicense plate.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Holy cow, we don't have that, but that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, it's really nice um, we got keith the arson
guy's evening he's.
He's our one twitch follower.
We're always on the verge ofgetting kicked off twitch.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's part of the problem why I know nothing about
twitch, except that twitch doesnot like the fact that we show
anything that involves violence.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
So because we, you know, we don't watch these
videos, guys, we don't know whatthey're going to be.
Sometimes they're shooting,sometimes it's, you know, a cop
giving a homeless guy a blanket,it just depends, um.
But we're going to discussthose videos as they.
They happen.
Well, twitch hates that andtwitch is constantly trying to
ban me, so I'm just going tokeep showing on there until they

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do.
I don't really, like I said, Igot one or two followers on
there.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Constitutional country girl news.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
What'd she say now?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
In New York, we're required to show our ass.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Marine.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Bloods in the house, I get it, marine marine bloods.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
What's up, buddy?
So let's see.
He said if you don't like it,don't watch.
I know right in it.
I think it only happens whensomebody reports me because I
have continuously showed ontwitch, but we only get in
trouble every so often and Ithink every episode we watch on
YouTube.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Games video games day and night, so you watch other
people play video games.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's what Twitch started out as.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Why don't you just play video games?
I do.
I'm not a video game guy.
I don't own a console.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Let me give you a quick, quick story.
Frank, my daughter, I walked intelling her we're going to go
eat and she had YouTube the kidsYouTube pulled up and she was
watching another little girlplay some sort of building a
castle game and I said how is itthat that is entertaining to
you?
As your dad, I'm trying tounderstand this.
She goes.
Well, dad, it's kind of like onFridaysidays, when you watch
fridays with frank, it'ssomebody else doing their job

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and I'm like damn dialed in forthat.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
oh guys, I gotta pat myself on the back on this one
and I even I even shared it as astory because it just hit me
came to me somebody this happensall the time.
Somebody's like well, why don'tyou show the rest of the video,
why are you only showing thatone part, right?
So first off, the argument'sgoing to be when I make a short
or a reel, I've got a minute, 30, max, 90 seconds to make a

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point, and that's just theparameters of making a short.
So I take the clip out that I'mlooking for to make a point and
, yes, I'm drinking originalCoors, I got the smoke wagon
right here, so that's next.
But I make it a point to getwhat I need to get across in

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that 90 seconds.
And it doesn't always show thewhole picture, which isn't the
point to show the whole picture.
Well, somebody got on me.
They're like why didn't youshow the whole picture, which
isn't the point to show thewhole picture.
Well, somebody got on me.
They're like why didn't youshow?
You know, you only showed apart of the traffic stop,
whatever it was.
And I said listen, you don'twatch SportsCenter top 10 plays
and then go.
Well, why didn't they show thewhole game?
Good point, good directcorrelation, see I thought it

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was amazing, and the guy evenadmitted on the thing he goes.
I'm not going to lie, that's agood one, you got me, that's a
good one, he goes.
I got nothing.
I was like, yeah, so now I gotan analogy for everything.
When people get on me aboutonly using part of the video,
I'm going to use that until thefucking wheels fall off.

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So it is what it is.
Um, I am having trouble findingyour twitch to double your
follower.
It's two cops one.
I don't even remember what itis, guys.
Uh, to be honest, it's two copsone donut somehow.
Um, I'm looking.
Let me go to my twitch here.
It is, oh my god, I don't evenknow how to look up my own name.

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It's two cops one donut withtwo t's at the end.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
All one big word so someone took two cops, one donut
with one t yep sons of bitches.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Damn right.
Yeah, arson guy's helping meout.
Hey, marine Blood's got thesame mentality I have where it's
just optimism, baby, it isn't.
You know, I'll give you onemore.
It's we're going to double yourcount.
It's the way to look at things.
It's always looking at thepositive side little glass half

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full.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I like it yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Um, before we get going into our live of the body
cam footage stuff, we usuallylike to sit and bullshit about a
topic.
Is there any hot topics inpolicing right now that you
think to be a drone?
That's?

Speaker 4 (23:46):
a good one Drones over the Northeast man.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, okay, I'm going to give you my conspiracy
theory, and this is based on mebeing a guy that protected nukes
, um, for the military air force.
Uh, I guarded the nukes out inthe ICBMs in Montana and I've
seen some shenanigans from themilitary.
Okay, here's my theory and tellme if you share this.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I think that those drones government funded,
looking for dirty bombs andthey've got some sort of
capabilities to look for thosedirty bombs that we don't know
of.
That's my theory.
I've heard of this also thatthe full theory that I heard was
that the government believesthat a dirty bomb came into the

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port in New Jersey and that'swhy the drones initially started
just in New Jersey and thenthey started going north and
south north to New York andsouth down to Maryland.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, joke's on them.
New Jersey itself was the dirtybomb, and they're spreading, so
that's, I'll put that that'swhere new york puts all of its
trash.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
That's why the new jersey turnpike smells like that
, and anyone that's been thereknows.
The northern part of new jerseyon i-95 is a is a terrible
wasteland of odor, um, butanyway, that's, that's what I
heard.
That's the uh, that is is againand I heard it, you know, on
something online, nothing in anyofficial channel, but um, that

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it was.
It was something that they werelooking for and that's why the
government has been so quiet onit is because there are drones
and they don't want to tellpeople that, um, and they were
thinking that it was related toum New Year's Eve in New York or
the inauguration.
So, none of that is in any waymanner, shape or form you know,

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official in any way.
That was something I justwatched on the Internet, so I
think it might have been AbrahamLincoln who said that, so I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It sounds right.
Harrison Brock said as asoftware engineer, I can create
an automated system that createsfake accounts and increases
your followers.
No thanks, I don't want one.
I wouldn't want YouTube to pullus.
With our limited following asit is, which I'm very proud,
we're almost at 13,000, guys,we're not doing too bad on

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YouTube.
It's growing every day.
Frank, what's yours at?
What do you have, frank?

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Right now, this very minute, I'm at 152,796.
Son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Son of a bitch Son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
That's right now.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's son of a bitch Ward said dirty bomb or one of
our lost nukes.
They are scanning houses withx-rays and they're looking for
our AKs.
I love it, but no, let's talkseriously for a short second on
drones Now.
As a person still on the street, I have been a part of drones,

(26:54):
absolutely helping catch some ofthe worst of the worst.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
We use them on every single SWAT deployment, every
deployment.
Right now, we're using anexterior drone for our CP to
keep an eye in overwatch andwe're using interior drones to
clear the house in front of ourteam.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So we're using them every day yeah now where I'll
get into my, where.
I think my job is to keep us incheck.
I keep our own police in checkis not allowing that drone usage
to overextend its reach.
Like I don't think you shouldjust be able to frivolously

(27:34):
throw drones up and just startlooking at shit, looking into
people.
Like if you're going to go, tryto look at somebody's backyard,
whatever it is, it needs toeither be an exigency or it
needs to be a warrant of somesort, and I think having those
policies in place is the waythat you should have these
drones.
So if you're a department outthere, you should not be

(27:57):
throwing drones in the air untilthese policies are in place to
keep you in check, because I amvery constitutionally minded and
I don't want to overstep.
And again, I don't want to takea good tool away from cops
because somebody abuses it.
It's going to get abused, Iguarantee it.
Every good tool we have, somedouchebag cop figures out a way

(28:18):
to fuck it up for us.
So that's, that's my two centson the matter.
Banning what do you got?

Speaker 7 (28:25):
Same thing.
Banning what do you got?
Same thing, obviously, dronescame into effect when I was well
into my career.
We slowly got into it.
At the mid-level agency I wasat before I was leaving, I
personally had a drone as thePart 107 requirement from the
FAA was coming out.
I used to use mine before thatrequirement came.

(28:48):
Uh came and was only used in uhexigent circumstances.
So it was.
It was a very, very good tool.
Um, even looking at differentcars, it's amazing what the even
the commercial drones that thepublic can buy, the how, how
much you can zoom in and getthat license plate for uh for
criminal reasons and be able torun it in a safe area without
anybody getting hurt.
So I back the use of drones,just like what Eric said, as

(29:09):
long as we're not violatinganybody's rights, period.
If you're in that public eyewhere anybody else can see, I
don't have a problem with it.
Anything else, make sure youget paper on it, get a warrant,
go through the proper proceduresperiod.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Oh yeah, no-transcript.

(29:50):
Not, we're very same kind, ofsame as eric, very
constitutionally minded, sowe're not.
We're not looking to trample onanyone's constitutional rights,
especially as aconstitutionally mandated agency
like we are.
We're pretty yeah, we're, we'repretty, pretty big on it but we
have drones um that have flir,so we're looking for people at
night and deserts, um at realbad crash scenes we're looking

(30:10):
for I have boots with the desert.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Uh, yes, with the flir no, no is that not the same
song and I like it.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
I like it.
Some people don't know what aflare is.
It's forward-looking infraredand that's the type of cameras
that can detect heat signaturesout there.
For those that don't know whatthat is, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I didn't know what it stood for.
I'm not going to lie.
Really.
No, I've got to fix a mistakereal quick, just so we all know
there it goes and it's fixed.
So if guys don't know.
Banning's forced new nicknameis big red I.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I think just Yukon Cornelius is another good one,
oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, if you guys do not know what Banning likes to
play for, some people dress upas Santa, some people dress up
as a snowman here we go.
But Banning specifically likesto dress up like this guy here.
So let's, this is.

(31:23):
Banning guys?
Oh, that's not it.
Where is he at Right there.
Look at that.
That is banning right thereShow this dad.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
I think Bobblehead looks better than that one.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I love that he's carrying a six shooter.
If I didn't know any better, Ithink Cornelius used to be a
Navy SEAL.
You look at his gear.
I mean, I think he was an oldfrog man too funny.
Funny, pardon me, excuse me.
Excuse me, ozark moon's jumpingin, um.

(31:54):
But all right, guys, we're gonnaget to the body cam stuff.
So if you are not familiar withwhat we did, we've been going
for about a half hour now, so,um, it's about that time.
What we do is we watch body camfootage for the first time.
We've never seen them and ifone of us happen to have seen
the video, we'll own up to itbefore we get into it.
We're going to watch the videoand we're going to frequently

(32:18):
pause and act as though we arethe officers in the video and
talk about how we would handlethe call.
From what we see, we don't knowany information about how we
would handle the call.
From what we see, we don't knowany information about the call.
We don't know what was called.
In most of the time we don'tknow any of the details.
We're just basically going offthe top of the dome being thrown
into a call.
That's kind of the fun of it.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Which is also how it happens in real life.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Which is exactly how it happens in real life Exactly
so we have no information priorto this.
Now there'll be titles of thevideo.
I personally try not to readthem while we're watching the
video.
You do catch yourself readingthem every so often.
But that's what we're going tobe doing, so we're going to
watch these videos.

(33:01):
The fun part is for you guys tointeract, ask questions, give
better tactics.
If you think you got bettertactic, well, they should have
done this.
Okay, well, the whole idea isone you and the audience kind of
get a mindset of how policetraining goes and where we're,
what we're actually thinkingwhile a call is developing,
versus whatever narrative themedia wants to put out there.
You guys are going to see as wego that we all kind of think

(33:24):
similar because of our training,but we all have different ways
of getting to a goal.
We may all say the same exactthing Okay, I would have stood
here, I would be doing this, I'dbe doing that.
Okay, well, our training'spretty similar there.
But there may be a call wherewe're all like, well, no, I
would have done this, I wouldhave done a passenger side
approach, because this is what Iwant to do.
And then the next thing, youknow, the officer switches over

(33:46):
to a passenger side approach andwe're like, oh shit, your mind
was kind of in line with thiscop, but the goal at the end is
usually the same, so it's justfun.
We stumbled upon this a fewyears ago and it's just grown in
popularity.
We've been having fun with itever since.

(34:07):
So if you are just pulling in,pull up an adult beverage with
you.
I'm going to finish this, coors, and I'm switching over to the
smoke wagon and let's just havesome fun.
Let's get in the minds of somecops, maybe improve some police
work because you guys figuredout something that we hadn't
considered and get that messageout there and improve police
training.
Let's try to do that.
So I'm going to share thisscreen.
I encourage you all todefinitely participate.

(34:31):
And also, if you see trolls inthe comments, guys, I don't
filter people, I don't.
I welcome anybody that'santi-cop or whatever Come speak
your mind, let's talk it out.
So I think that's where wediffer a little bit.
All right, let me know if youguys get sound and everything
and we're gonna hit.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
We've already biggie size, so let's play all right,
am I stepping out for me,because you can be wrong.
Someone called yes, no, don'tdo that.
Could you guys hear thatsomething?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
your mom's the one who called okay, I'm gonna that.
Could you guys hear that?

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Something your mom's, the one who called.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, I'm going to go back, because you guys didn't
answer me when I asked if youcould hear it All right, let me
go again.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
All right am.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
I stepping out for me , because your mom's the one who
called no man, don't do that,keep going.
Okay, did you guys catch that?
Did you hear what he?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
said your mom's the one that called Don't do that.
Okay, did you guys catch that?
Did you hear what he said?

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Your mom is the one that called.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, your mom's the one that called Do you mind
stepping out for me?
He asked him to step out.
Did you hear that?
Yeah, okay, so got some sort oftraffic.
Stop going on here.
You could see evasion all overhis face.
He's not answering, so me.
When I'm seeing this, I'masking you questions.

(35:52):
I'm going to go back.
We made it to the nine-secondmark.
I want to play it one more time.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
All right, you want to step it up for me, because
you could be wrong if someonehad called.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Called for what?
The questions on questions.
That's an indicator to me as acop, most of you fine citizens
out there.
When I say, hey, will you stepout for me, I'm like you're
already in the act of doing whatI've asked.
You may question it.
Well, what do you need me tostep out for?
And you're getting out of thecar.
But when people start askingquestions on top of your

(36:28):
questions the way that thisguy's doing with the thousand
yard stare, I mean, look at hiseyes.
He's trying to figure out whathe's going to do to get out of
this and for me, just like thisofficer did, I'm already going
to be opening the door there.
There's got to be a reason forit.
I don't know what this reasonis yet.

(36:49):
So that's what we got to kindof figure out.
So I'm going to just go underthe assumption we have a legal
justification for opening thedoor Banning.
Do we have a legal reason toopen your door on a regular
traffic stop?

Speaker 7 (37:04):
We do.
I usually request it first, butwe can absolutely do that.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Okay, and especially after you've asked it, which the
Supreme Court has already said,if we want you out of the car,
you have to get out.
And if he's, obviously not onlyis he not doing it, but he's
not doing it to ask a clarifyingquestion, which I think Ben and
I would probably both you knowat least humor that and give him
a little bit.
But as he's also looking likehe wants to drive away, I'm

(37:33):
absolutely opening that door andbeing pretty aggressive with
that dude immediately.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yep, the part that we kind of have we're we're in the
in the dark about is we don'tknow what the context for yet,
so we got to kind of figure thatpart out.
Um, I'm going to the commentsreal quick.
Uh, ryan holzner said uh, is ita traffic stop or a 911 call?
It sounds like it was a 911call.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
It doesn't seem like it's a traffic stop if you look
at the camera positioning there,ryan it's.
I'm not seeing it.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I'm thinking he's there's no, there's no car
behind him.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Yeah there's.
I'm thinking he's pulling up asthis guy was leaving, which
leads me to believe this isprobably called the right time.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, let's think of the same thing the dude is
higher than those drones in newjersey.
He said, uh.
Ryan said he has rabbit in hisblood.
Yeah, you can see it like.
If you start watching, even ifyou're not a cop, you can start
to see the indicators that thisperson's wanting to flee.
And Ryan is talking about thecourt case that allows us to get

(38:33):
drivers out of the vehicle.
This is Pennsylvania v Mims.
Here's where I get into thedebate with people in the
comments.
A lot they're like Penn v Mimsis basically saying that you
have to have a fear for yoursafety, an articulable reason
for your safety, to pull themout of the car.
That's what the Penn v Mimscase was about.

(38:56):
They pulled them out to do apat-down, to frisk them because,
excuse me, they believed thatthey had a weapon.
Excuse me, they believed thatthey had a weapon.
However, the court findings didnot specify that cops could pull
people out of the car onlybecause they had a fear that
they had some sort of weapon,and that you had to articulate
that.
They basically said thatpulling somebody out of the car

(39:17):
in a traffic stop for a shortperiod of time is reasonable,
it's not an unreasonable requestand therefore you can't pull
them out.
It does not have to be anarticulable reason, because you
think they have a weapon orthere's some sort of fear for
safety.
And I'm not a lawyer, but thatis how it's been explained to me

(39:38):
by prosecutors.
Am I any different with anybodyhere on the panel tonight?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
No, that's my understanding with anybody here
on the panel tonight.
That's my understanding.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Okay.
So if anybody in the commentshas a different way to explain
it from what you understand, letus know, because right now that
has been the best way that Ihave and it's held up in court.
When I've done it, I've hadpeople fight it and it's worked
for us.
I don't mean worked for me in away like I got the system.

(40:07):
That's how it was explained andit's been upheld, at least in
Texas courts.
Mr Belfold, sometimes it's justabout power guys.
I don't even think it's poweras much as I think it's ego, I
totally disagree.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
I don't even think it's power.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I want this guy out.
And I don't want this guy outbecause it's an office of safety
issue.
I want this guy out because helooks like he doesn't like it,
looks like he wants to driveaway and he looks like he's
guilty.
And I want him out so we cantalk outside of his vehicle
without him driving away.
Right and it has nothing to dowith power.
It has to do with conducting afull and complete and thorough
investigation, which is thereason that I'm called there.

(40:43):
So it has nothing, not oneounce, to do with power or ego.
It has to do with doing a job,and doing a job means that that
guy needs to get out of that car.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, and like what Constable Country Girl News said
, penn V Mims is way too broad,and I will.
I'll grant you that it is broad.
However, us cops, we're alwaysbehind the curve when it comes
to tools that we have availableto do our job.
And right now, that is a toolthat we have and, just like
anything in police work, we haveit till we don't, and then,

(41:13):
when they take it away, we usewhatever else we have available,
like it's just.
That's just how it is, like, um, it's not that I disagree with
you or that you're wrong or I'mright or whatever.
These are the parameters thatwe have and just like you expect
cops to follow their rules, ifthese are rules that we have
available, you can't get mad atthe cops for using what they

(41:36):
have.
Mr Belfort said Big Red, theyhave a medication for that.
Banning His eyes are enough forPen v men, not wrong in the
comments.
Our guys are fucking funny, man.
Um, an officer always claimsofficer safety.
Come on now it's about thecontrol bros of um.

(41:58):
I, I don't, I don't it.
Here's the problem with whatyou're saying, mr Billfold, is
it's not that that's not a case.
Occasionally it is.
I absolutely agree with you.
That happens occasionally.
But you can't, you can't justthrow a blanket statement and

(42:18):
say it covers everything,because I don't think that it
does.
You know rough stats 350million calls for service every
year.
There's 750,000 cops.
Approximate 0.006% of thoselead to a use of force or a
complaint.
And that is from the UCR, theUniform Code Report.
Is that how it's called, ucr?

(42:41):
Yeah, so the stats aren'tbacking that up.
90% of departments have bodycams.
Now again, like I said,nothing's mutually exclusive in
police work.
We can't be mutually exclusivewhen we say stuff like always
and never.
Officers always claim officersafety.

(43:03):
If we're going to be fair onpen v memes, I don't need to do
it for officer safety.
Like but in this case, right now, there's an officer safety
issue.
You can read it all over hisface.
You can see it.
It's about to happen.
So it's like you guys haven'tread the decision.

(43:24):
I need more than that.
I don't know.
Did you say something else?
I've absolutely read thedecision, but I'm not Google.
I can't just recite stuffbecause you brought the topic up
.
I'm a human being.
I can't recite it off the topof my head, and if you expect

(43:45):
that from cops, well, it's nevergoing to happen.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Unrealistic expectation.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Not even judges and lawyers have that ability, and
they deal with the law everysingle day when it comes to
interpretation.
Is it even worth trying to gethim out of the car if you
suspect he's going to drive away?
That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
um, it depends do you think you can get into an
articulation?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
do you think you can get to him before he does try to
drive away?
So we don't.
We don't know, um, and onlythat person on the scene at the
time can really make that call.
This officer is the only onethat I can't make that call for.
This officer is the only onethat I can't make that call for
him.
Even though we're watching hisbody cam footage, I can't make
that call for him.
Let me see.

(44:30):
Depends on how long that keepyou out of the car.
It depends on how long thatkeep you out of.
I'm not sure what that means.
The title says he's trying tosteal the car.
Okay, we didn't read the title.
We tried to avoid reading.
The title says he's trying tosteal the car.
Okay, we didn't read the title,we tried to avoid reading the
title.
He says jerk him out.
Glad he said jerk him out.

(44:51):
Yeah, could have been bad.
Plus, you don't know the infothe mom dispatched on her phone.
His call is about true, sorry,I'm just going through the
comments here.
Guys, I'm trying to catch up.
I want to get everybody'scomments the best I can.
Andy Fletcher said the word saysthat it's predicated on safety

(45:13):
and the dissent is based on thehigh and fulfilled probability
of abuse.
Y'all abuse the shit out of itand use it to punish and assert
false authority.
It's a case-by-case basis.
You cannot use a blanketstatement on stuff like that.
That's a lazy argument.

(45:33):
It's vague and lazy.
You have to take every singlepolice call on a case-by-case
basis just because one copabuses it and I agree, stuff
gets abused.
It doesn't mean every singlecall call on a case-by-case
basis just because one copabuses it and I agree stuff gets
abused.
It doesn't mean every singlecall is abused.
And just because you can pullup five examples of abuse
doesn't mean there's not anotherhundred of not abuse that led

(45:55):
to a 200 or 300 or 600 or athousand or five thousand or ten
thousand, like come on, that's,yeah, that's a gross
generalization um, call it poweror control.
You are making it sound as ifyou are justified to assume a
driver is going to run not adriver not a driver, this driver
totality of the.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I mean just the short amount of observed signs and
symptoms.
Cues, non-verbal cues you couldyou know that this guy is not
going to do what you wanted,just based on the 20 seconds
that we already watched, rightout, of every driver in every
situation, but of this driver inthis situation yes, and we're

(46:37):
only going based on what we seehere.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So, um tim said, mr billfold, I don't think it's
about control, I think it'sabout that they can't take the
chance he will run.
Sometimes there are signs andthey have to go with that.
Yeah, I mean it's just aboutreading people and I like to
compare it to how people dotheir jobs.
I mean, I could not walk intowhatever job you do.
Let's say you work at Subway.

(46:59):
There are subtle insights, likeyou guys can tell, working at
Subway, the way somebody looksdown at the food on the thing
and looks up at the board andyou already kind of know what
sandwich they're going to orderand you can't explain how you've
just done it for so long.
And I'm using that examplebecause somebody told me that
before, like I work at I'veworked at Subway the last 10

(47:21):
years I can tell you just in, in10 seconds, the type of sub and
what bread somebody's going toget, and they haven't said
anything.
I'm like, well, that's prettyamazing.
I was a bartender and I coulddo.
You know you had an idea.
That's a beer dude.
All right, sir, what beer can Iget you?
And most of the time you'reright, it's just an instinctual
thing.

(47:41):
Um, andy said it's.
It fits 90% of the videos we see.
It's not just five or six, itfits 90% of the videos that are
in your algorithms.
If you like to find videos ofcops fucking up, that's going to
be your algorithms.
You know how I know that?
Because that's my algorithms,because I'm always looking for
cops screwing up.
But I do the job and I know 90%of the cops, 99% of the cops

(48:07):
are out there doing what they'repaid to do, what they should be
doing.
My goal is to get rid of that1%.
My goal is to start showingthere's a difference between
ignorance and intentionalitySomebody being malicious.
I think we need to help squashignorance in police work.

(48:27):
There's a lot of that.
Me and Frank were talking aboutthat earlier the ID crackheads
I need your ID, I need your ID.
You don't have a right tosomebody's ID.
Nope, and then finding outlater that they just had shit
training and that's look, yourdepartment's bigger than mine,
and then finding out later thatthey just had shit training.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
So, and that's you know.
Look, are you, your, yourdepartment's bigger than mine?
Then I think bandings wassmaller than mine.
So we were, we're.
I'm kind of in the middle, butI guarantee that the training,
no matter what it is, whetherit's DT, whether it's firearms,
whether it's constitutional lawupdates or legal updates or
traffic law or criminal law, Iguarantee that there were

(49:06):
different levels of trainingbetween the three of our
agencies because of size,jurisdiction, um, funding, you
know, there's all kinds ofvariables that are in there.
Yeah, I mean, just like youcould go to a great bar and you
can go to a shitty bar, becausethey have different funding, you
can go to a good hotel in ashitty hotel, because they have
different funding.
You can go to a good hotel anda shitty hotel because they have
different funding.

(49:27):
Police departments, you know,and you could have a great
doctor a shitty doctor.
It doesn't mean that alldoctors are terrible.
Just like you could have agreat cop and a shitty cop, and
doesn't mean all cops areterrible.
Like, let's stop groupingeveryone into into these groups
just to say, well, this is basedon your fill in the blank
gender orientation, job,religion, whatever it is like.

(49:49):
Let's just start dealing withpeople individually and saying,
hey, you're a great human,you're a great human, I don't
care what color you are.
Whatever, you're a good personor hey, you're a shitty person.
You know, or you're shitty atyour job or you're great at your
job.
It has nothing to do with allof these other things, no matter
what your job is yeah that's,that is today's problem.
I mean it supersedes any, youknow, any sort of metric that

(50:13):
you want to put in there.
It's just we.
We just want to group people,no matter what it is, whether
it's uniform or color orreligion or what yeah, um, I
want to hit patrick true love'scomment here.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
detective thornton hates the officer safety excuse
being used so broadly and Iagree and this is where I, this
is where I challenge officers toum, if you're going to use
officer safety, if you're like,hey man, I'm going to pull you
out, officer safety, articulateit on your camera as you're
doing it and telling this person, hey man, you keep looking down

(50:47):
to the right in between andmoving your hand right by the
center console, like I don'tknow what you're doing.
I have an officer safety issue.
Now I need you to step out ofthe vehicle, articulate what
that officer safety is, if I cansee and show and prove that you
were manipulating and itchingyour hand down.
And then, lo and behold, I pullyou out of the car and there

(51:08):
was a gun right there in betweenthe center console and the
driver's seat like that.
That to me, if you're going touse officer safety as an excuse,
you better be able toarticulate it.
It can't be a vague, blankstatement like like Patrick's
alluding to.
I agree, um, you need toarticulate it.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
And here in Texas, eric and I and I know Frank does
too, because Arizona is prettymuch the same way on it but we
deal with a lot of people withguns.
It's, it's, it's Texas.
We're huge on the secondamendment and we don't mind
people having guns and that's so.
Let's lay that out as well.
But it's the articulation ofmotion during that stop there's.

(51:49):
You know, a reasonable andprudent person, if you want to
put it in perspective is notgoing to keep putting a hand
down by a gun.
You know, most of the time whenI stop people, as long as I'm
treating them with respect, asit should be done, they're going
to let me know hey, sir, I'vegot a gun in the glove box, I've
got a gun on the center console, my insurance is in there as
well, and then we'll deal withit safely during that stop and I
appreciate them letting me know.

(52:10):
It's all about the safety.
I want to make sure he goeshome or she goes home and I want
to make sure I go home to myfamily as well.
And if I have to pull somebodyout for one moment to make sure
that that scene is secure andsafe and then do whatever,
conduct the rest of our business, and then everybody goes home
on their separate ways.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, mr Billfold said in Georgia post meaning the
police Officer standards andtraining.
Yeah, to become a cop.
Basically all the trainingthat's needed to get your badge
is 810 hours, but it's 1,500hours to become a barber.
I believe that and that's fair.

(52:47):
However, what a barber doesn'trequire is the minimum state 40
hours of continuous training,not to mention the
department-regulated trainingthat you have to do, regulated
training that you have to do,and whatever legislative updates

(53:10):
come out and whatevercontinuous general orders
updates come out that like thethe level of training, and we
didn't even get into FTO phase.
You got four months of FTO, yougot three months and then a one
month goes phase.
So there's an additional what?
30 or however many hours thatwould be, um, that shit actually
160, it's actually 160 is itprobationary period, even after?

(53:33):
that you got a year-long ofprobationary period.
Um, so that's the differencebeing, once you become the
barber, the, the continuoustraining, isn't the same as the
police training.
And then we didn't get intofirearms proficiency fitness
tests, which is a joke in a lotof places.

(53:55):
The fitness standards yeah, I'mbig on the fitness standards
Didn't get into the fitnessstandards.
Driving proficiency Well, somedepartments don't even have that
.
But that's a poor argument on mypart.
So, yeah, I get it Cool being abarber has.
But what's?

(54:16):
If your point is cops don't getenough training, I'm with you.
They don't get enough training.
They don't get enough qualitytraining.
And then there's a disparity inthe training.
What one department gets is wayup here versus another
department that gets the sametitle and it's way down here.
Training is all over thefucking board with police, and

(54:39):
I'm with you on that.
I think that's the overallmessage you were trying to bring
up.
I'm looking at the positiveside of that.
Let me see, stop being lazy anddo some investigating and get
PC instead of just getting IDand hoping he has warrants.
That's I mean potato, potato, Imean like if I can get your ID

(55:00):
and get a warrant to find outmore cool.
I don't think that's being lazy, I think it's being efficient.
But if I have a right to yourID, like I'm going to check no
matter what.
If I have a right to your ID,I'm going to check out your
background because I don't knowwho I'm dealing with.
If I pull you over and I findout that you've got three

(55:23):
assaults on a public servant inyour background, like that's
important information to have,even though it's just for a
traffic stop, that's importantinformation to have.
So is that being lazy?
No, I just think it's gettingas much information as you can
based on what you got.
If I can't get your ID, if Ican't take the shortest,

(55:43):
quickest route, well then, yeah,I got to do some more
investigating.
What do you got, frank?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
I don't know, I just I.
So I mean, I think I don'tthink getting someone's ID is
lazy.
Again, as I've, as I've saidbefore, it's part of conducting
a full and thoroughinvestigation.
And you need to know who you'retalking to.
That's, I mean, that's thethat's the fact of the matter is
, it's just, it's part of whatwe do.

(56:12):
It is part of being contactedby the police If you've
committed a crime or committed aviolation.
Um, it's held up by by allsorts of case law, at least in
the state of Arizona and theSupreme Court.
So I mean, is doing your joband knowing when you can get
someone's ID and not lazy?
No, I don't particularly thinkso.
Is checking for warrants whatwe do?

(56:33):
Yes, it's what we do.
And does it save a lot ofproblems when you're like, man,
I really need to get this guyout of here.
Oh look, he's got a warrant.
Well, now he's going to go?
Yeah, super easy, it solves alot of problems.
And is that being is making agood criminal arrest being lazy?
No, I also don't think so.
So I yeah, yeah, I got.
I got a lot of disagreementswith that.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Okay.
Mr Belfold said if there wereonly one out of a hundred police
that are bad cops, thatsuggests the good cops are
woefully incapable of policingtheir own.
I don't think that that'snecessarily true, I disagree
with that also.
I don't see that that is true atall.
I've used this example beforeat my own department.
Every year that I've been hereand I've been at this particular

(57:16):
department 13 years somebody'sbeen arrested every year and
charged.
I'm just saying just one everyyear.
There's been multiple in years,but I'm just giving you the
conservative one.
A year since I've been here hasbeen arrested and charged.

(57:40):
You don't hear about it becausenobody cares about cops doing
their job, holding bad copsaccountable.
The times you do hear about itis like in this example, 99% of
cops is not 100% correct.
I know five cops that gotarrested and the department only
had 12 cops.
That's when you hear about thatshit.

(58:01):
That's a big deal.
But that statistic does notrepresent policing as a whole.
It represents a problem at thatdepartment.
But good cops had to arrestthem.
So cops hold cops accountable.
Did we lose Frank?

(58:22):
We lost Frank.
So I get what you're saying,but the point that I'm trying to
keep up with the comments guys,so just bear with me real quick
.
So I see what you're saying, Ijust the stats and stuff.

(58:42):
I don't even want to get intothe stats.
I don't agree that.
That's how it is.
This is a long one and it gotcut off, so I'm going to read it
.
Michelle Larkin said I agreewholeheartedly about ignorance
versus intention.
I worked in traffic law forover 20 years and I believe
there is a great need for highereducation for officers.

(59:03):
The majority, however, areeither following what they
believe to be proper procedurein case, in some cases perhaps
slightly overly defensive due tothe fear for their personal
safety as well as the communityat large, and it is a very small
percentage in comparison tothose hardworking individuals

(59:23):
who actually demonstrateintentional criminal conduct.
I think that's fair.
You know you make 300 trafficstops 300 traffic stops.
You had no problems.
I think, frank, you make moretraffic stops than any of us.
You've made more traffic stopsthan I've made my entire career.
I can't hear Frank at all.

(59:44):
Frank's mic's went out.
He was having mic issues.
Earlier, frank, you left andthen you came back and now we
can't hear you.
This is the best Frank I'veever dealt with.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
I can't hear shit.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
You're still muted, sir.
Let me look at his.
You're all good on my side, butwe can't hear you.
The technical issues let's see.
Hey, there's Frank, he's back.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I said, I've done more graphic stuff this year
than you've done in your career.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I mean, I'm a great example of that.
You pulled up the most popularvideo of the Fridays with Frank
series and that was one videofrom I was still wearing tan.
I've been in green for twoyears that was one video from
three years ago and I'veprobably done roughly 100 to 200

(01:00:41):
traffic stops per pay period.
So every two weeks I try to do100 traffic stops a week if I
can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Oh my.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
God.
So I try to do 100 trafficstops every two weeks.
So every pay period I try to do100 traffic stops, so about 200
a month, and so you figure insomewhere.
Even slow times figure 2,000 ayear.
So I've done 4,000.
With that year included, I'vedone 6,000 roughly traffic stops
and there's one video thatpeople MF me about all the time.

(01:01:14):
But I've done 6,000 trafficstops.
I've had almost a negligibleamount of complaints.
I mean I don't know, you couldprobably count them on one hand
out of those 6,000 traffic stops.
I mean it's.
The statistics just on me as anindividual traffic cop are
infinitely minute when you starttalking about complaints on

(01:01:36):
conduct and I haven't, I'venever had a sustained traffic
complaint on me for doinganything wrong ever.
But man, people love to pull upthat traffic stop and be like,
oh, look what he does.
Right, 6,000 traffic stops inthe last three years.
I mean it's.
I mean I've got a 24 yearcareer, yeah.

(01:01:58):
So I mean, think about that,you know, extrapolate those
numbers out to the tens ofthousands of people that I've
contacted standing on the sideof the road and you pick one
traffic stop out and call me aterrible cop, like, come on, man
, and that's just me.
That's just me as an individual.
Think of the tens of thousandsof cops that are out there

(01:02:19):
contacting people.
I mean, it's just it's.
Yeah.
It's hard.
It's hard to just put everyoneinto a group.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Harrison Brock said should we, the people, be able
to look into a cop's background?
Are they being investigated bythe FBI, DEA, Um?

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I've never known a cop to be investigated by the
FBI like that I've ever workedwith ever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Um, yeah, I personally don't either.
But um, ever, yeah, Ipersonally don't either, but
that's kind of a vague.
What do you mean?
Looking to their background,their work background?
I mean I think all of theirwork background would be FOIA.
Unless it's an activeinvestigation, then no, because
you're not trained ininvestigating and you're not

(01:03:01):
certified in investigating.
That's recognized by the state.
So why would you want to screwup, like if they were
investigating me, for instance,like why would you, joe Blow,
citizen, have a right to look atthat investigation while it's
still going on?
I wouldn't want you screwingthat up.
Me, as a citizen, wouldn't wantsomebody else looking into it.

(01:03:24):
Screwing it up is what I'mgetting at now.
Once it's done, sure, like youshould be able to look at an
officer's background.
Absolutely, they have a jacket.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
I think that should be, you know, foiled or whatever
they call that freedom ofinformation act absolutely
information for work and justthe ones that I've heard of in
reference to federalinvestigations and stuff like
that.
Usually the department iscontacted when that has happened
and that person again from whatI'm being told by good sources
is usually pulled off the streetuntil that investigation is

(01:03:55):
complete on an administrativetype of lead thing.
Now I could be wrong in otherstates, but that's what I've
heard here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
What is CCGN?
It says CCGN.
We see far too many that justdon't care.
Andy Fletcher, I don't knowwhat that means.
Sorry either, my brain's notfiring on all cylinders tonight,
but Ryan Holsinger said policemake over 50,000 traffic stops a
day.
I'm not part of that.

(01:04:23):
I don't make traffic stops.
Uh, I take that back, I do, butmost of the time it's like hey
man, did you know yourtaillights out?
Like, get that fixed, like I'mnot writing a ticket, just let
them know who looks at their owntaillight.
I don't look at my taillights.
So you know, if you, if you'relike your headlights, I, hey man
, pulled you over.
If your headlights are, hey man, pulled you over because your
headlight's out, just lettingyou know.

(01:04:45):
Cool, have a good day.
You know I'm not a revenuegenerator like some people,
frank ain't got shit on CoffeeCity Police Department, 200 cops
on duty and a reserve for atown of 500 people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
What that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Is that real Coffee City?
I'm looking that shit up rightnow.
Coffee Is there two F's incoffee?
Yeah, coffee City Police,that's in, that's in Texas.
Uh-oh, police and population.

(01:05:29):
Let's see there's a town CoffeeCity in Henderson County that
might not be in Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Henderson, I think is in Nevada.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, that's what I thought, when there are 50
full-time and reserve officers,50, not 500.
But I mean, that's a goodportion of the city, holy shit.
Yeah, that is in 2023.
I'm going to share this tab.
Let's get this out of here.

(01:06:01):
Is it not sharing?
It's not sharing.
There we go.
Yeah, it is a Texas town InTexas town.
It has about 250 people.
It has 50.
Sworn Jesus, all right.
I wonder what the 5,100citations were.

(01:06:25):
Wrote that year oh my God,that's a hammering it.
Officer was terminated forposting on Facebook.
You should kill yourself and dothe world a favor.
Officer suspended for smashinga window and entering into his
girlfriend's home withoutconsent.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Yep, yep, they should be arrested for that.
Yep, I agree, that's probablyit's be arrested for that.
Yep, I agree, that's probably agood one to go to jail for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Deputy constable suspended after a burglary
victim's laptop computer wasfound in his home.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
That's probably something you should also go to
jail for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Terminated for tackling a non-resisting citizen
to the ground during a trafficstop.
A non-resisting citizen to theground during a traffic stop.
Deputy slapping handcuffs,slapping a handcuffed inmate
without provocation Alsosomething you should go to jail
for.
Two officers terminated forlying on their job application.
Okay, fair, get fired for that.

(01:07:19):
Holy shit, that's a whole lotof uh problems going on there.
So, yeah, um, that's crazy.
Uh, let me trying to go back tothe, to the comments here.
Mr billfold, big red boner,please look into what's been

(01:07:40):
going on.
Stuttgartgart, arkansas, Ithink it's Stuttgart, stuttgart.
I haven't heard of that.
One who cares what's going onthere?
I love the fact that he calledyou Big Red Boner now, so that's
going to be your new nickname.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Hey, nepotism is great if you're a nepot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Oh, that's what Andy was talking about CCGN
Constitutional Country Girl News.
I knew my brain was not firingtonight.
Oh, that's what andy wastalking about ccgn
constitutional country girl news.
I knew my brain was not firingtonight.
Um, let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
All right, we haven't even finished this video yet I
was just gonna say, man, we're,we're down a rabbit hole yeah,
we did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
We went down a rabbit hole.
I apologize y'all, I'm notgonna lie.
I'm my brain's not in ittonight.
I'm trying to get around Sharescreen.
Boo boo, boo boo.
Where are we at?
What's this one?
Suspect tries.
Suspect tries, share.
Let's finish this.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
So yeah, as we were saying, I would pull him out of
the car.
It looks like he's about totake off.
I would love to know why we'rehere.
No man, no man, Don't do that.
He's calling it out man, don'tdo that, don't do that.
So he already sees it happening.
Something that the cameradoesn't see, which is a good

(01:08:57):
point to show, is like what wesee from our eyes isn't always
what we see on the camera.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Something to consider .
What's he calling?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
for bro.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
That's a bottle of Jose Cuervo.
Yeah, you got an open containerof alcohol.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
So now, even when he does run, you got to chase him
because he's a danger toeverybody, because you can
articulate that this is apossible DWI DUI.
However you say it, um, drivingwhile under the influence of
alcohol.
Hmm, okay For me.

(01:09:53):
Right now I'm pulling at thathead, I'm I'm trying to.
Where the head goes, the bodyfollows.
I can't tell if he's in hisseat belt or not.
Um, but I am going to like, inthis instance, because the car's
already moved a little bit, Ithink, um, I'm gonna be digging
my thumb right into eyeballs.
I'm gonna be doing what I can.
I'm gonna try to avoid havingto use my gun.
Um, let's be full honest.

(01:10:14):
If that car starts to move, I'mjust gonna disengage.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Let go and get the fuck out of there I was gonna
say there's no, there's noreason for a gun, right yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
if I feel like I'm stuck.
That's what I'm gonna resort to.
I'm going to resort to somecraziness if I feel like I can't
get off of there, which goesinto the argument.
Did we put ourselves into thatexigency?
I would say, as soon as I feelthat car start to move or I
think he's going to get in gear,I tell my guys get the fuck out

(01:10:42):
of there, just let it go.
Jump in your car and startfollowing, if you can, um, but
do not get yourself caught up inthat vehicle.
Uh, banning, what, what, what'syour thoughts same thing on
that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
we don't.
We do our best with propertraining to to not get in the
position unless we have to.
I don't know this officer'stimeline of when he pulled up.
I've had, unfortunately,several calls like this to where
a relative calls in my sonstole my car.
The dispatcher does their bestto establish the fact that he's
never been able to borrow thecar before, to make sure it's

(01:11:14):
not a civil matter, it's acriminal matter.
And then, rolling up somethinglike this, I always had stop
sticks behind my passenger seat,one set up where I could get
out and throw it up underneaththat wheel while I'm doing that
investigation, just to where, ifit does take off, at least it's
not going to be as a hype,fast-paced pursuit that it could
be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, I agree with Ryan.
Cops need to stop jumping onvehicles when they try to flee.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
We disagree with that every time, I'd say 80% of the
time that we see that on thesevideos.
We disagree with what they'redoing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Every time I'd say 80% of the time that we see that
on these videos we disagreewith what they're doing.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan ofjumping on cars, getting into
cars Like listen, the juice hasto be worth the squeeze.
If I am in a position where,let's and this is just a made-up
scenario okay, let's say thiskid is wanted for killing 15

(01:12:06):
infant children and he is on hisway to go kill number 16.
Like I, I may, I may sacrificemyself.
In that case, I don't meansacrifice, I mean jump in the
car.
I don't want to die, trust me.
Um, I mean jump in the car.

(01:12:42):
I don't want to die, trust me,because, end of the day, this is
babies.
You killed babies, dude.
However, stealing mom's car, asthe title says, I don't give a
shit, it's property.
End of the day, it's property.
I'm not risking my life forsomebody's property.
So Andy Fletcher said saw that afew years ago cop got drug
through a concrete plant?
I didn't see that one Damn.
There's a bunch of videos and Idon't disagree when these cops
are using deadly force becausethey're stuck on a vehicle.
My problem is they created thatexigency and that is, that's

(01:13:06):
what the courts are.
That's, that's the big thing inthe Supreme courts right now is
creating your own exigency.
Frank, what, what, what hasbeen your experience with
jumping on cars or getting infront of cars or shooting into
fleeing cars?

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
I got drugged by a car in 2010.
No so, yeah, I ended up in thehospital and, yeah, I got ran
over my leg.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Um, oh no yeah, I didn't ask that question.
Knowing that story, I probablydidn't, I promise oh shit so
you've got no better perspectiveon this than any of us.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I've got a lot.
It's kind of why I haven't beentalking a whole lot.
Since you started mentioningthat, I was like I've got my own
views.
My bad, but it was again 14years ago, coming up on 15 years
ago, so you're talking about along time ago.
As a much younger man, Igrabbed someone in a car, which
they always tell you not to do,because they say that you can't

(01:14:05):
let go and you can't, and thatis absolutely correct.
So I got drugged and as thespeed started getting up, I was
like oh, it's probably time forme to disengage, as I'm hanging
on the side of this car with onehand on the roof and one hand
on the driver.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
So when I disengaged I landed on my back and the back
driver's side tire.
The car ran over my leg, my, uh, my left leg, as I landed flat,
um, so just went over.
It Didn't break anything.
I had a Venus bleed in my leg,uh, got a couple of stitches.
Guy went to jail, obviously foraggravated assault.
When my partner caught him, um,but it was, I was 100% in the
wrong, for I had a reason tograb the guy.
I was 100 in the wrong, for Ihad a reason to grab the guy, um

(01:14:51):
, and it was.
It was totally lawful, but Iwas wrong in doing it.
Um, and it was 100 ego driven,um, and huge eye opener.
I bet.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's youknow, and I think that we can.
You know, as we progressthrough this career, um, like
I'm way better of a servant nowthan I was 24 years ago when I
started.
I'm much more of a stoic andI'm much more of a better human

(01:15:11):
being.
All those go through trials andtribulations and mistakes that
I've made.
I think all three of us havemade mistakes during our careers
.
There's a hundred things that,looking back, I wish I could
have done different.
Uh, and that night.
That night was one of them andit was.
You know, there's there's abunch of different reasons that
I could have, um, you know abunch of different ways that I

(01:15:34):
could have handled thatdifferently.
Um, you know, and I just Ipicked I'd literally picked the
worst of all of their optionsand went, hey, that's the only
way to go with.
Um, you know, looking back onit, yeah, so I paid the price
for quite a while for that andyeah, it was all ego-driven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I love that you're able to own that, though I think
that's the important part forcitizens to see that aren't in
law enforcement, or maybe not.
The most law enforcementfriendly is, is it one are?
Are the officers owning up totheir mistakes?
I think that's big.
I think any officer that canown up to their mistakes.
That's the ones I want to keep.
That that's the ones, is it?

(01:16:18):
You know, if you shot a personlike and you, you shouldn't have
shot that person Like, okay,you're not recoverable, I can't,
I can't have you, you're,you're too risky.
Yeah, you're owning it.
Great, I shouldn't have shotthat guy like, but you're too
big of a risk.
But you know, hey, I jumped ona car trying to catch a bad guy

(01:16:40):
because I thought I was billybadass and I I got humbled
really quick like cool, I guesswhat I know that cop's not gonna
do again.
He ain't gonna jump on a caragain.
And now you're going to be ableto advocate to other cops,
young cops in their career, andtell them like hey, look, learn

(01:17:00):
from me, I'm an idiot, I fuckthis up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
No, absolutely, and I talk a lot in police academy
about that because, like you, um, you know, and banning, I I
instruct a lot and you know Iteach the academy and um, and I
think it's different when youread it in a book, like oh,
don't grab people in cars.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Like, oh, that's cool , man, right, it's in a book
great and uh and and this is apart that people they they get
upset about they're like so hewas charged with an extra crime
because you grabbed on.
No, you still need to be heldaccountable for your actions.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
You don't blame the school Because I grabbed him
wasn't the problem.
It was the problem that hedrove away.
Right, it's not Me.
Grabbing him was not thevariable in this scenario, it
was the fact that he was leavingafter being told he was under
arrest.
That's the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
We don't blame the spoon for making you fat.
The cops are the spoon.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
So, on a lighter note , keeping this two cops, one
donut, frank, when you weredoing rehab I'm assuming there's
some sort of rehab that went onafter this Did your supervisor
at least bring you a batterypowered LIDAR to where you could
use that for incoming nursescarts and you know it's in your

(01:18:14):
speed as they were coming intoyour room.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
I was like this is terrible.
I'm going through.
I'm like can someone just fillme?
Bring me a citation so I canfill it out, like I just.
You know, you're surrounded byfriends right here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
You're getting kudos for owning up to making mistakes
.
Agreed Part of it, man?
Yeah, this is.
If I could change one part ofthe culture.
We seem to be taking this weirdturn where accountability falls
away from people doing stupidthings like this kid.

(01:18:51):
I guarantee he's scared, hedoesn't know how to handle the
situation.
He's young and he's driving offon a cop.
I'm not going to look at thiscop and say that this kid
doesn't deserve another chargesimply because, well, you
shouldn't have grabbed onto himbecause the car was pulling off.
No, he's doing what he's paidto do, what the law backs him up

(01:19:15):
to do.
He's doing what he's supposedto do.
This kid is making bad decisions, bad mistakes.
It is up to the judge to takeall of these factors in account
and say, okay, well, okay, theofficer shouldn't have grabbed
on, but this isn't this kid.
You know, later on down theline we find out well, this
isn't the first time this kid'sran from cops and we let him off

(01:19:37):
before.
Whatever the case may be, letthe judge figure that part out.
That's not the cop's job.
Cop throws a charge.
Hey, man, like you ran over myfucking leg because you couldn't
listen.
Like how is that on frank, thatthat part isn't on frank,
that's on the kid or whoever I'mI keep pointing at this kid.

(01:19:58):
He gets nothing this kid inparticular did not run over
frank.
So whoever this person was thatran frank over, you know frank
owns up like and frank paid forit.
He paid for it in ways that thesystem wasn't going to do
anything about.
Uh, you know, and and lifelessons were learned, but I
don't.
I don't like the mentality ofwell, now this guy gets an extra

(01:20:22):
charge because you were dumb.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
No, the guy could have not driven away.
How?

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
about that.
I don't like the instinctualatmosphere we've created where
police, bad guy, here's theevents, bad guy gets caught or
whatever.
Here's the events, bad guy getscaught or whatever People get
hurt and the immediate reactionis well, what did the cop do?

(01:20:51):
Like, come on now, come on now,guys, it's society.
Let's look and see All right,what did the bad guy do?
All right, he did this.
And then you find out, well,all the bad guy did was cross
the road illegally.
Okay, now let's start lookingat the cop Like that wasn't a
big.
If that was all that happened,that's not a big deal.

(01:21:12):
But like you ran from thepolice, dragged a cop in the
first.
I'm not saying I apologize to Ithink it's Ryan that asked.
Ryan, I'm not pointing at youspecifically, but I in general
like let's not make that ourfirst instinct.
Like you guys know me, I'm anoptimist, so I'm always trying

(01:21:34):
to look at the positive side ofshit.
I apologize, it's just what Ido.
He said but that would befleeing, not aggravated assault
it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
It wouldn't be if that like there would be no
chance for an aggravated assaultif you had complied with what
the police were trying to tellyou to do yep so and resisting
arrest because you were giventhe information that you were
placed under arrest and it'saggravated assault whether I'm a

(01:22:04):
law enforcement officer or not,yeah, it doesn't matter if he's
a cop.
If a human is hanging off ofyour car, no normal human says
I'm going to drive away Likethat's.
It has nothing to do with mebeing a law enforcement officer,
it has to do with me being ahuman being and the fact that
you ran me over, yeah, it's likelet's again let's take the cop

(01:22:24):
part out of it and it's justlike human.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
It's like you ran over a human purposefully, yeah,
and I kind of think back to,like, protesters that stand in
the freeway Like now, whathappens then?
Okay, so I'm to look at ryan'sside of things on this.
So if we're, if we're in thefreeway and we're protesting and

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we get in the way, is it agassault when that protester gets
hit by a car for trying toprotest in the freeway?

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
I think that there's a?
Um, there's a culpability inthe protester for knowing that
they're standing in the middleof a road that's posted as 65 or
, in some places in Texas, 75.
Um, you know, I think thatthere's a.
There's a certain culpabilitythere.
Um, almost like a culpablemental state of like, well, I'm
going to stand in the middle ofthe road and there a possibility

(01:23:23):
of getting hit.
Um, I think that that's a.
It's a different variable,because you're it's like
standing in the back of ashooting range and then saying,
hey, people are shooting at me.
Well, you're standing there inthe back of a shooting range,
like, yeah, people are going toshoot you.
Well, yeah, you're standing inthe middle of the road.
What do you expect is going tohappen?
People are going to shoot,shoot in that direction.

(01:23:44):
If you're standing in the road,people are going to drive on
the roadway.
It is where legal vehiclesdrive, and if you're standing in
the middle of the roadway andyou get hit by a car that's
legally on the road beingoperated, right, am I drawing?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
No, you're right, You're right.
And this is why I like justsaying shit off the top of my
head and seeing where it goes,because now my brain went
somewhere else.
If a protester jumped in thefreeway to do their protest and

(01:24:28):
they get struck and their bodytakes out another person and
kills them, but they live,they're going to get charged
with that person's death.
If the protester's body getsflung by another car because
they were intentionally tryingto block the roadway, Like a
felony murder rule.
Yeah, exactly, sounds like yourdog is getting out of control.
Yeah, I'll be right back.
You're good, do what you got todo.
So this is what I try to do,guys.
I want to see from everybody'spoint of view, because I fully

(01:24:51):
admit I am going to have askewed bias, even if it's
unintentional.
I've been a cop too long so I'mtrying to get outside of myself
and look outside of thatfishbowl lens that I'm going to
have in police work, and that'swhy I like having all of you
guys constantly challenging mefrom a different mindset, from a

(01:25:14):
not police mindset, because youguys, you bring up great points
.
And was it Andy?
Andy?
Yeah, andy has some good points.
I wanted to bring up his topichere.
He said unfortunately, we see ahorrific lack of accountability
from the very top.
There is little accountabilityat the top level of government,
any level of government.
I would ask you to be a littlemore specific on that, andy.

(01:25:37):
It's not that I disagree withyou.
I think you got a good point,but I think you got more behind
that comment that you're notsaying.
I'd like to hear what thespecifics of that are.

Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
Keith the arson guy said I think Texas passed a law
that the driver is not liablefor running over protesters on
roadways Good, I mean, there'salways been a law there that no
pedestrians within a statehighway or interstate in the
state of Texas anyway,regardless of a protest.
And Texas highways guys, justlike other highways in the
United States they're going up.
A lot of the highways here,especially in the area that I

(01:26:16):
live, are all 75 miles an houruntil you get about two miles
before a municipality or anothercity and that's when it starts
staging down 65, 55, then downto 35 within that municipality.
But the speed limits on thehighways here are 75.
And there's 75 around otherlarger cities in the state of
Texas as well, especially ontoll lanes and whatnot.
Right, Some of them here are 85.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Yeah, ryan said I'm saying the charge would have
been different if he wouldn'thave grabbed on Fair.
But he's within his rights totry to effect an arrest and you
don't know necessarily.
Now this is where it gets weird.
It's a very case-by-case basis,but let's just go with Frank's
example, because he's the onetalking about it and he's the

(01:26:57):
one that did it, even though headmits he shouldn't have done it
.
Does that make him wrong andliable?
I would say no.
And does that misplace thatcharge?
No, I don't think so.
I don't want to get away fromthe accountability of somebody
that had the opportunity tosurrender peacefully and under

(01:27:22):
any reasonable and prudence thatwe can can say you got a fully
uniformed officer giving youlawful commands, dah, dah, dah,
dah dah.
You know like and I and I chat,andy, if I pulled you over and
I told you hey, you are not freeto go, you are under arrest
step out of the vehicle and youhammer the gas and I'm like, oh
shit, and my first instinct isto try to grab you.

(01:27:43):
And let's say I don't ride thecar, but let's just say I grab,
I get snagged real quick and myfoot gets ran over and broken.
Well, it's still ag assault?
Are you saying that thatshouldn't be allowed?
It's the same premise.
So yeah, I don't know, justbringing up conversation, you
guys.
Um, let's, uh, let's go to thevideo.

(01:28:05):
Sorry, this is what happens.
We, we don't even get through afull fucking video.
We're already an hour and ahalf in the conversation.
I know the conversations are sogood and then they all talk to
each other and they have greatconversations going on in the
comments.
Um, you guys are like the crowd.
I mean you guys are firm butrespectful I guess that's the

(01:28:29):
best way I can put it firm butrespectful.
And that's what makes this sofun.
Nobody's trolling just to betrolls.
So we've got a damn good crowdtonight, so I appreciate it.
Let me put this back up there.
Let's finish this fucking video.
I'm going to play it and notstop.
Hey, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
For what, bro?
What happened Bro?
Let me go.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
It's only three.
I'm in the back of the building.
I'm in the back of the building.
Yo, let me go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
I hope the car's in park.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
What happened bro?
What happened bro?
What happened, what happened?
I hope the car is in park.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
It muted itself.
That wasn't me.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
babe, what was that?

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Okay, it wasn't much more to it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Thank you.
Police Activity for that one,yeah, absolutely yeah, Police,
yeah, police activity.
We got all of our videostonight again from police
activity on youtube.
Shout out to them.
We use them almost exclusively.
Uh, we're not associated withthem, not affiliated, they're
not a sponsor of any means, butthey do a lot of work in the
background to get these man yeah, they get up-to-date raw body
cam footage.

(01:30:03):
It's not interrupted by anyfiller or fluff, so very cool.
I saw somebody say somethingabout supporting.
Where was that?
Consider supporting the channel.
This forum is important.
Thank you very much, mr Belfold.
And specific shout-out to MrBelfold.

(01:30:23):
And a specific shout out to MrBelfold.
I think he is the firstofficial person since we were
able to monetize on our channelthat decided to subscribe and
hang in and be a part of what wedo.
So appreciate that.
What is Andy said?
Ah, left us hanging.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
It did, andy, and we feel the same way.
We wish the video would be alittle bit more intuitive, have
some more information on there,but that's what's available at
this moment on the channel forthat exact call.
So we have what you saw andthat's all we have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, what I liked is we didn't see this kid get
unnecessarily beat on.
They held him, that one officerby himself held him down.
Best he could waited for hisbackup officer to get there so
he could finish cuffing.
They got him up and got himsecure.
I mean, if I were to guess thatkid was drunk, obviously with
the Jose Cuervo bottle, justmaking stupid decisions and end

(01:31:21):
of the day, nobody was hurt.
I don't think that officer washurt.

Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
Throw up Mr Bill Foulds' comment.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
He said you got me girl, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Was it as good for you as it was for us?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I didn't think my first time would be so quick,
but damn and cheap.
No man, we do appreciate itAbsolutely.
Let me tell you guys how newthe channel being monetized is.
I'm going to minimize this fora second If I can figure out how

(01:32:05):
to do it.
Our YouTube channel is so new.
How new is it, eric?
Our YouTube channel is so newto being monetized that I don't
even have the ability to get themoney that is used by people to
subscribe.
I had to do like this dualauthentication thing where they
send a physical letter to myaddress with a code that I need

(01:32:29):
to use to punch into YouTube inorder to start getting the money
that you guys use for thesubscription.
So that's how new we are to it.
And then YouTube, from what I'velearned.
Let's say, you threw out like$50.
I get like $3 of that.

(01:32:49):
It's insane.
They take everything.
I'm learning.
I'm new.
I'm new to this.
So listen, I appreciate it Ifyou want to support us
financially.
This costs money to do.
I've dropped $60, grand overfour years doing this and not
got a penny back on that.
But here we are.

(01:33:09):
It's important.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
It's important to us to speak with all of y'all to
understand if there is more thanone side.
What is it that some peopledon't understand?
And we're just going to giveyou our opinion from having that
many years on the street.
And we are here to fight foryour rights.
I've got to make that clear.
All three of us Anybody that wehave on here that's a peace

(01:33:34):
officer is here to fight foryour rights period, yep, and I
want you guys to kind of see thevision.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
The goal of what we want to do down the line is I
don't want just you guys know, Idon't want an echo chamber.
So that's why I've gotspecifically the lineup of cops
that I've got to begin with, Iwant to start getting kind of
like a civilian oversight boardas well.

(01:34:03):
Um, so part of that, uh, a guyon tiktok, uh, tim, which you've
seen in the comments, is tim e.
Um, not timmy, uh, but timmy.
Um, he's been on here, he'sbeen chatting in the thing and
he's got his mic going.
Uh, he's got his camera, he'sgot his green screen, so we're
going to start getting him onhere.
Because I want a civilianperspective.
Are you drinking coffee?
You just had a beer.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
Decaf, decaf, coffee, oh Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
How addicted are you?

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
No decaf coffee because it's something warm, and
when we get off here in abouthalf an hour we're going to go
to bed selling something niceand warm on my belly.
I also have a bowl of venisonbarley soup because I was a
little hungry Okay, I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Little hungry Okay, I'm okay with that.
That's legit.
I would love some venisonVenison barley soup man.
I like it.
So anyway, ryan said you guysare making a difference.
I appreciate it.
Sometimes you guys tear us upso bad in the comments.
Not tearing us down, I'm anidiot, I'm a stupid cop, so like

(01:35:05):
my articulation and able toargue things.
Sometimes I'm like fuck, Idon't know how to argue this.
Like good job, you got me, whatcan I do?
Banning you say so.
You'll see guys full disclosurea lot of times if I don't even
have a good argument.
But frank, what do you thinkabout that?

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
it works man anybody on the spot last minute.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
You just fuck you like I don't have an answer, so
I'm giving you guys my secrets.
Uh, from the guy drinking.
What's wrong with coors man?
It's a banquet of beers.
Banquet of beers, right.
And now I'm drinking smokewagon, so you're welcome.
This one is Desert Colt.
Shout out to smoke wagon.

(01:35:49):
They are not a sponsor.
But all right, let's get to thenext one.
You wish they were.
I do wish they were.
I wish I had any sponsor, tim,he said.
I hope I can do what I can tohelp with the channel.
Sir, I'm excited to get you onhere we have.
You'll be the first civilianthat we've had.
So it's going to be interestingsorry amber where's amber.

(01:36:11):
He said this fucker made mehungry.
Well, you know he makes a lotof women thirsty.
So come on now.
Let me get to the video.
Before frank ends upimpregnating somebody a little

(01:36:32):
humor all right, and let's bigsize.
Bam, there we go.
All right again.
Police activity viewer,discretion advised.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
You've been warned, y'all I'm in one state emergency
.
Hi, this guy, I'm sorry.
Oh, he just hit my car.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Okay, let me get you to CHP one second.
He's going around.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Yeah, he's definitely .

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
God, so he almost hit somebody head on.
You guys.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
He's going all right Now he's going towards.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Fresno on 41.
Okay, so he's going towardsFresno Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
He's going to hit me again.
He's trying to hit you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
I'm sorry, ma'am.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
What road are you on?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Oh, he just slammed right into me.
Okay, what?

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
road are you on?
I need to know what road you'reon.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
I'm not on the road man.
I'm in the middle of a fuckingfield.
My car is tumbled all the waydown.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
All right, I think we're heading down the hill.
425 feet, we're gone.
He's definitely going like 70miles an hour.
Yep, he just nicked a FedExtruck.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Okay.
So everything you just heard.
Typically, officers don't hearthat.
However, I want you guys to beaware there are programs out
there now like Live 911, and Ihighly recommend these things.
I think there's another onecalled like SOS something, but
it's all under that same premiseof the live 911 that allows the

(01:38:13):
officers to hear the call asit's coming in.
So what I like about it is meas an officer, I'm not just
reading something out of context.
Now I get to hear the persongiving the information and a lot
of times some of theinformation they're giving
doesn't get disseminated acrossthe computer.

(01:38:35):
So everything that this guyjust said, if you have a program
like Live 911, that helps withresponse time, and one of the
reasons it helps with responsetime is because it's coming into
the system quicker and officersknow when they need to step it
up and when they got time, orthat's the assumption they know

(01:38:59):
when they have time.
So this would be a really goodone If I heard somebody calling
in like that and I hear thecrash and I the crash.
This shit's real, this is reallyhappening.
This is really excited.
To save human life?
Yes, absolutely.
So highly recommend you getbehind your department and ask
if they've been looking intosomething like Live 911.
And they are not a sponsor ofours of any sort.
So if you reach out to them andthey're like how the hell did

(01:39:22):
you hear about us?
Tell them two cops one donutsent you.
Maybe it'll help us.
Here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
The RP team has just stopped at road 425.
B north of green anchor drive,I got it.
Three nine zero seven nine.
425 B is failing through abunch of not tampered.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
I'm going to assume that was our suspect running
with.
Was that a sword?
It didn't look like a gun, didit?

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Yeah, I was trying to figure out what that was.

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
I'm going to go Tire iron something.
Some object?
Yeah, I'm going to go back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Normally we just kind of watch it all the way through
some object.
Yeah, I'm gonna go back um.
Normally we just kind of watchit all the way through.
But I'm gonna go back um.
And another point I want tomake here is when you have a
good dispatcher, I hope theyconvey the severity through
their tone over the radio, likegood dispatchers will do that,
like this car car is being, youknow, they're suspects saying

(01:40:26):
they're being struck by avehicle.
We, the call takers, could hearit in the background, something
to that effect.
So I'm going to play it again.

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
North of green anchor drive.
I got it 3, 9, 0, 7, 9.
9-0-7-9.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
4-5-R-B is bailing through a bunch of stuff.
Okay for me.
I've learned in my career ifthey're foot bailing out of the
car, I'm not exiting my caruntil I have to.
That's old school experienceBanning what about you?

Speaker 7 (01:41:03):
I agree.
There's hours of video of mewhen somebody gets out on foot
and I'm still on my Tahoe andfalling right behind them and
they're getting tired and I'mstill good, sipping on whatever
energy drink or Mountain Dew orwhatever it is that I am, and
then when we get to an area thatmy vehicle can no longer go,

(01:41:23):
then I'll exit the vehicle andstart fresh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Yeah, I'm going to go as long as I can until I think
I might screw my vehicle up.
If I think my vehicle is goingto get messed up, then I'll
un-ass and go earn my paycheck.
Frank, what about you?

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
No, I'm 100% on that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I'm not running.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
That's an old man thing.
It is an old man thing.
Theookies will park their carwhere the suspect parks their
car.
And old men are like nope, I'mgoing to go ahead and follow
this guy on four wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Yep, absolutely.
Let me go to the questions realquick.
Colton, what about if theystart shooting into your car?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Run them over.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Yeah, now my car becomes a 2,000-pound weapon.

Speaker 7 (01:42:04):
And with banning, if you can get off X and get off
that car, we're getting off thatcar to go get some other cover
Because that car is very markedand I'm talking about traffic
stops that go bad really fast.
Sometimes you've got to get outof that car and go to some
other type of cover to where youcan address the situation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Yeah, ryan said this video is one reason why they
shouldn't use dogs in law.
Oh shit, I didn't know we wereusing a dog.
So you're ahead of me, ryan.
Slow down.
Let us get to that point.
We haven't watched this videoyet.
Have you guys ever seen this?
I haven't, okay.
Yeah, so don't get too farahead of us, bro.
That didn't look like a gun,some sort of stick, whatever

(01:42:47):
Blunt object.

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
Be late pal, Be late pal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
So if I have a canine , this would be the opportunity.
This is one of those times Iwould use it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
I see ears, I see canine ears, oh yeah, you do,
you see them right there, therethey are that's, would use it, I
see ears.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
I see canine ears.
Oh yeah, you do.
You see them right there.
There they are.
It's a good boy, Melon walk.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Fast as fuck, firmus 3-9-0-7-9.

Speaker 6 (01:43:17):
425B.
He's bailing through a bunch ofoh stand by.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Stop right there.
Stop.

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Midair shot.
Okay, okay, I'm not sure, Idon't know why we're firing.

Speaker 7 (01:43:57):
Yeah, right now, I don't see a justification of
firing.
Um, here's banning's justopinion.
I'm looking at this.
That blunt object.
He may have tried to hit thedog with it.
That's the only thing I caneven think of right now, right
now I'll have to find out more.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yeah, I and I've said this a million times on here
banning was a canine handlerguys.
So, um, he's got a lot betterinsight on this than me.
I personally am not a fan.
I I put the dog's life over,even my own, which is stupidity.
I get it.
I'm just such a dog lover thatI can't release a dog, or I

(01:44:34):
wouldn't release a dog if I knowthey have a gun or a knife or
something like that, a stick.
I'm a little more willing aslong as it's not a sharp object,
but in any case, that's never areason, in my opinion, to use
deadly force when there's not ahuman life on the line here.

Speaker 7 (01:44:52):
Eric, do you remember my dog's name from my podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
I don't Not off the top of my head.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
Just so everybody knows, my dog's name was Mary
Jane, and she was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
So yeah, but we'll, we'll get some more insight.
Um, I'm not going to thecomments yet, so if you guys got
good, good comments, uh, holdoff, let me, let me get to them.
But, um, right now, releasing adog and a guy, that's just uh,
assaulted citizens with hisvehicle and you could hear that
call.
This is the most opportunistictime to release a dog.

(01:45:32):
There's nobody else around.
That dog's not going to biteanybody else.
These are the things I'mlooking at, and it would allow
us to affect the arrest.
So, with that in mind, let'skeep watching 12-9.

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
Shots fired Shots fired Drop the gun, drop it the
arrest.
So let's, let's, uh.
With that in mind, let's keepwatching 12 9 shots fired.
Shots fired drop the gun dropit, he's not gonna over here the
dog.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
The dog heard the gunfire.
He's like fuck that, I'm downrange bro.
He's like I didn't sign up forthis.
Put your hands out.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
He's like I didn't sign up for this.
Put your hands out On yourstomach, roll it on your stomach
.
Now you got him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
I'll cuff him.
Okay, I'm okay with this.
We gotta get security first,then we can render aid.
So I'm alright with this.
We got to get security firstthen we can render aid.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
So I'm all right with that.
Hey, stop running, you're goingto get bit.
I wish the dogs had money here.
Come on here here.
Stop running, you're going toget bit Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
I just want to point out the training of this dog to
not bite the officer that'sahead of him.
Yep Is amazing.
I was thinking that same thing,because I know, if I know a
canine's on scene, I'm nevergetting in front of the canine.
The handler.
I will not do shit until thecanine, the canine handler,
needs to be in front of me atall times.

Speaker 7 (01:47:05):
And that's where we need a lot more training, and I
know there's training across theUnited States.
But we had a dual team, sothere was two dogs, two handlers
.
At the city I worked at, weconsistently trained with our
patrol guys on what we expectedfor safety on a call like this
or a tracking call.
So the guys were in the know,the gals were in the know to to
properly deal with this type ofsituation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Okay, so one of the things I want you to see and
this is part of people that liketo monday morning quarterback

(01:47:51):
videos this cop is so far behindwhat we're seeing.
He's now yelling at this guyget on the ground, drop the gun.
That is where his brain iscatching up to what he
physically sees.
That's how this shit works inreal life, guys, and there's a

(01:48:12):
ton of force science that goesbehind that.
It's insane when people ask howdo you get shot in the back?
Because by the time the officerpulled the trigger, the guy had
already turned and was alreadytaking a couple steps.
That's how long it took for thebrain to process, put
everything together, and he hadalready pulled the trigger.
So there's that it's.
It's crazy to me.
However, one of the questionswas asked who first shot?

(01:48:35):
Or the first shots weren't thepolice?
Were they?
I don't know, I couldn't tell.
I can tell you that if he had agun and he was turning with it I
mean, you're running with a gunfrom police what are your
intentions really?
He had to.
It wasn't like he had a handgunin his waistband, guys, and ran
out of that car.
He had to retrieve that gun.

(01:48:56):
That was a long gun.
I don't know if it was a rifleor a shotgun, but it was a long
gun he had.
So you tell me where you thinkhis mind was at to physically
grab that, get out of thevehicle and run with that long
gun.
It wasn't like he just had iton him, it was like, oh shit, I
forgot I had my gun on me.
That wasn't intentions to getaway, that was intentions to do

(01:49:17):
harm to somebody else down theroad when he could get his
opportunity.
That's the way I look at this.
I'm seeing a couple of peoplesaying good comments.
From a constitutional girl shesaid bad joke.
Dogs are trained to avoid bacon.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
I could talk about that for hours, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
That's funny.
Somebody said from the firstbody cam it sounded like the
shot was at the dog first.
I'll go back.
Let me finish this out.
I'll be here put your hands outhere, that's a damn good dog.

(01:50:05):
We're rendering an A here,that's a damn good job.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
We're rendering aid Go for Charles 9.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
They're not just rendering aid, they're being
humans.
Talk to me.
Talk to me, you can hear him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Stay with me, we're turning him.
Stay with me.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
That's awesome.
That's what I hope to see.
So, okay, I want to go back,because somebody said this is
the first body cam.
Nope, that's the next cam.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
so okay, I want to go back because somebody said they
this is the first body cam.

Speaker 6 (01:50:54):
Nope, the gun's not out yet drop it, drop it, drop
it, drop it, drop it.
I think it was the cop, yeah Ididn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
I think it was the cop.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
I think it was the cop.

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
I think he, if you slow it down as that dog gets,
within about three yards of him,you can see a plume of smoke,
and this mic, these body cameramics, may not have picked that
up.
Okay, I'm just.
I'm watching it over and overagain.

Speaker 6 (01:51:23):
Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Is there a way to go frame by frame on these things?
I don't know about youtube.
Let me see what this does.
Nope, that one.
Are you doing, not that?

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
one, not that button.

Speaker 6 (01:51:35):
That's the next video , I think drop it, drop it, drop
it, drop it okay, I don't see aplume of smoke yet right there

(01:51:56):
behind the dog now.

Speaker 7 (01:51:58):
Now, that's that's what I'm.
I could be wrong on that, thatcould be the dog stirring up the
dust, but from what I'm seeingon that, I believe the mics may
have not have picked that up andwhy that officer may have
discharged you see, it's eitherdust from the road or dust from.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
That was definitely a shot by the officer right there
, so I'm gonna go back play itagain.
Let's just see it said yes, thebutton's at the bottom of your
keyboard.
Oh.
That's not doing anything.
It is doing something.

(01:52:37):
Oh shit, look at that.
Tim got me.
Let me get up there.
Close again.

Speaker 6 (01:52:42):
Drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop it, drop
it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Look at the dog.
Okay, we can go frame by framebaby.
Look at that dog.
Oh shit, thank you, tim Fuckingwin.
Right there, I'm a dumb copy'all.
Okay, no shot, no shot, no shot, nothing, nothing, nothing, no

(01:53:18):
shot, no shot, no shot.
Right there.
Oh yes, you're right.
Oh shit, look, if you can.
You see my mouse right, is thatwhere you?

Speaker 7 (01:53:23):
guys are seeing it right there.
Okay, I'm gonna tell you, justwith my canine training
experience, that dog is notgoing up to detain, that dog is
going up to engage.
I believe he was given theengage command so with the
distraction of a gunshot goingoff right back to the dog trying
to avoid whatever danger, thatwas it's the only reason he
didn't engage.
So I said fuck, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
I want to read what the comments say.
In the description, suspect wasdriving his own vehicle.
Spiked the vehicle.
However, the suspect made it tothe point where he drove the
vehicle off the road.
Deputies chased the man downDuring the footpath.
He chased the suspect.
Oh, it shot the dog.
Suspect shot canine Obi with ashotgun.
So you're right.

(01:54:08):
He did shoot the dog, holy shit.
Um, canine obi was taken thisis the part I care about was
taken to a nearby emergencyveterinary clinic.
X-rays show his body wasriddled with shotgun pellets.
He is expected to remain at theveterinary hospital for at
least several days.
According to doctors, he willlive the rest of his life with
numerous pellets, but expectedto make a recovery.

(01:54:29):
And this is just what?

Speaker 7 (01:54:31):
when did this come out?
I mean, it's recent yeah,december 16th yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Yesterday it came out .
Well, holy shit.
Oh wow, that's.
How did I get this shit soquick, you?

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
are.
This thing has what?

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
6.2 million views no, no, that's how many um people
that's on the subscribers.
Yeah, uh, views, um, I don'teven know how to see that from
where we're at.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
That's pretty, that's pretty impressive no, that's
not true this happened onnovember 20th yep all the way up
.
Go up to the top eric.
Oh yeah, yeah, november 20th,yep, go all the way up, go up to
the top, eric, oh, yeah, yeah,november 20th.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
They just posted it yesterday, yeah, and it's got
300,000 views approximate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn guys,that was good.
You fucking spotted that.
Holy shit, it's an eagle eye.
Yeah, no shit.
But yeah, yeah, you shot at himwith a shotgun.
So let's go to the next video.

(01:55:32):
Shut up.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
I'm saving you guys from the ad.
Holy shit, this is not good.
Oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, ohfuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck,
oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, ohfuck.
You're on the police.
The workers are going to getyou.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
You're on the police, you're onthe police cop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
or is that the bad guy?
Can you guys tell?
Dressed like a bad guy he'sdressed like a bad guy.
His where he's standing isdefinitely not a spot I would
stand as a cop, so I can't tellwhat's going on here.
Oh my god, oh my god oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Oh my god, all right, please let me see your hands.
I read the title on accidentright there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Double homicide suspect and they've already made
contact with him and he's got agun.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Oh, there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much going to be a deadly
force situation.
So, um, I like tim's commenthere.
He's like see, this is why theyneed a civilian.
On the podcast he helped mefigure out how to go frame by
frame.
Man, uh, ward said we gettingthat dog a steak, you better?
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Show us your hands.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Show us your hands, we're getting a dog and a mite a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Behind the power box.
Behind the power box.

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
Drop the gun.
Drop it.
Someone needs a rifle when?

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
In the building?

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
Yeah, I was just looking at that too, let's talk.
We're talking about someonethat's 40 yards away, 30, 40
yards away.
Let's get a rifle there.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
I can tell you right now I start to struggle after 25
yards Standing still in a, youknow a range that has the
ability to shoot back at you.
Yeah, exactly, Drop the gun ina you know a range that has the
ability to shoot back at you.

Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
Yeah exactly, Drop the gun.
Let's hear it again Drop thegun.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
So in my younger years I used to be I used to be
very like this guy.
You know he's a homicidesuspect.
Why are you continuouslyyelling, drop the gun.
Drop the gun.
When you know he's a homicidesuspect?
Why are you continuouslyyelling, drop the gun.
Drop the gun when you know he'snot going to listen.
You know older, wiser me nowknows like hey.
When it goes to court andofficers said 78 times, drop the

(01:58:19):
gun.
Before shots were fired bypolice, it's pretty hard to
argue that you weren't givenevery opportunity to drop the
gun for me.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
It's that maybe that one time you yell it loud enough
and something clicks betweenthose ears and they drop it and
it comes to a peaceful and theguy goes before you know
freaking jury.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
Yeah, but that's different banning.
You got fucking very whitevoice it just hits different you
know you're right.
Yeah, drop that gun, baby, youknow yeah I, I, actually I I've
taken all of the lives thatwe've done and just cut, banning
, talking, and then I just it's,it's what I use to go to sleep.
It's my white noise.

(01:58:59):
So, yeah, yeah, I mean I saysleep.
You know what I I mean?
It only takes me a few minutesto fall asleep.
My wife too.
It's great.
It works for both of us.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Drop the gun Drop it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
I hope somebody shoots at him drop the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
We're harvard police.
Please just drop the gun.
We need to talk about this.
I don't think I hear hisclapping.

(02:00:03):
Where you at, where you atRight here, where Left eye, left
eye, yeah, left eye.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Turnicet.
That bitch Right here on thetourniquet, that is high man,
that's like hip.

Speaker 7 (02:00:15):
Hopefully, buddy, he'd get something on it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Yep.
Now this may be a hard opinionfor some to hear.
I'm going to try to give him atourniquet to start aiding
himself and I'm going to pick uphis rifle If the threat's still
active.
Because he just dropped anofficer, he's going to drop
anybody.
So if you don't have anybodythat can pick up that rifle and

(02:00:40):
continue to put the fight downthere, because everybody else
has pistols For me and you guystell me if you're any different,
I'm gonna give him a tourniquet, see if he can handle his own
self-aid, but I gotta get therifle back down range we've got
it.

Speaker 7 (02:00:52):
We've got to stop that threat before somebody else
gets hit.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Period yeah, this is.
This is where it's very hard tobe callous and I'm not trying
to sound callous, it's not whatI mean.
Mean, this is the military inme, cause, for those that don't
know, I'm still in the military.
Banning was military too.
Frank had flat feet, so it youknow my military training

(02:01:21):
instantly takes over and says,okay, the big gun just went down
, I got to pick it up and I gotto take over.
That's where my mind goes onthis, and it's it's not to be
callous towards my guy, but thisis what we signed up for, this
is what we knew we were gettinginto when we became peace
officers.
So that's just me.

(02:01:43):
Umal Country Girl News said onlyif it's for moral, eric, yeah,
it's, and if it's pretty high upon the hip, like there's a lot
going on in there, tourniquet'snot going to help you, so let's

(02:02:11):
see who goes.
All right, those caps areterrible.
Yeah, somebody had mentionedthat he wasn't behind cover.
I think he thought he was.
I think he thought he was usingthis corner and that his body
was out of the way.
But this guy pushed notintentionally, he allowed him to

(02:02:33):
push him out more and exposedhim.
I don't think he thought he wasexposed.
Oh, boy, what can I do here?
Not a damn thing, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
You guys ready, go ahead Now.
Move in over the back.
Ready, you're the officer.

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
What You're the officer.
He's up on the corner.
Up on the corner.
Make him move now.
Move, move, move, move, move,move, move, move, move Move.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
What do you guys think?
I mean, I think they handledthe calls best they could with
what they had.
They were all game, they spreadout, they had good coverage
across the street.
Now this is where Frank reallycomes in handy, because he is a
tactical guy.

(02:03:35):
He's a SWAT guy.
I am not built like that.
I don't have that mindset.
I don't have the tacticaltraining.
I've got basics.
I'm really good at the basics.
But I know not to stand tooclose to the wall.
I know to use cover versusconcealment.
I know these things that everybasic cop I hope would know.

(02:03:56):
But at the end of the day, whenyou've got a guy shooting in
the open, I don't really knowanything else to do other than
get a long gun and put somefucking rounds down range that
really is kind of it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
I mean I I love, ideally you always want to have
an l you know, l?
L-shaped attack on someone.
I mean, we like it in a room,um, you know, and a roadway is
no different.
So the guys that were movingacross the street from car to
car, bounding from cover tocover um to you know, to get
that a good l-shaped um assaulton this guy is probably the best

(02:04:31):
thing.
But I mean, you know, this isthis is just a terrible scenario
because that guy can just beatfeet and and go in any direction
.
I mean he could have went.
He's on the corner of a street,he could just just run away.
He could run down the street,set up another ambush.
I mean it's a bad scenario.
But yeah, I mean I think theguys that were bounding from

(02:04:54):
spot to spot on the oppositeside of the street where they
had that cover available, Ithink those are the guys that
were really tactically minded,trying to get an angle on
someone, on a suspect that mightjust have tunnel vision, on
someone on a suspect that mightjust have tunnel vision,
shooting at the guy with therifle that he eventually hit at
like 50, 40, 50 yards, which ispretty right, it's a pretty good
shot.
But hopefully you know that guyhas, you know, suspect, has

(02:05:17):
tunnel vision straight down atthe guy and shooting at him with
a rifle, and that you can getthat.
You know, get on the other sideof that cover and and and stop
that threat.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Yeah, I'm laughing because it never fails.
One of the Marines in here,especially Marine Blood,
overkill, nuke, strike.
You can't nuke everything.
Marine Blood Got to relax.
Banny's got to go talk to a manabout a donkey, so he'll be
right back Calling an airstrike.

(02:05:50):
Marine said I missed the videosince I'm at work and I'm just
listening.
Oh, I'm sorry, buddy, at leastA the important part is you're
here.
We appreciate that.
Let's go to the next video here.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That thing just came in hotplaying out of the gate.
All right, let's, let's do this.

(02:06:15):
Let's, let's get rid of big redhere and let's share this
screen.
Share, oh, that's biggie size.
All right, all right.
All right, let's.
Who are we looking for?
All right.
He said I'm on that vehicle, sohe's got whoever it is he's

(02:06:40):
looking for in sight.
So he's got whoever it is he'slooking for in sight.
I'm going to guess stolenvehicle or an actor of some sort
that they know exactly whothey're looking for, because
when I call out and I say I'mbehind that vehicle, that's
usually what I'm intending.
Frank, you got anythingdifferent on that?

Speaker 4 (02:07:00):
Nope, no, it's definitely that.
I mean, look at that.
Out of those three cars thatare in the frame, which one
would you stop?

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
All right, yeah, that .
I mean, look at that, out ofthose three cars that are in a
frame, which one would you stop?

Speaker 4 (02:07:15):
all right, yeah yeah, it's sad to say sometimes you
can just criminally profile avehicle, um, but on this, what's
that?
Frank, we, we profile vehiclesall the time.
Yeah, and it's.
It's funny because it hasabsolutely nothing to do with
who's driving, and I don't thinkthe general public understands
that we literally don't carewhat a driver looks like.
We absolutely don't care.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
Can you tell who's driving right now?

Speaker 4 (02:07:30):
No, we look at vehicles.
I don't, I don't, I don't careone iota about what a driver
looks like.
What I want to do is I want tolook at a vehicle that looks
like that and the driver of thatvehicle doesn't have their life
together yeah, they're notcontributing to their 401k.
Doesn't have their lifetogether yeah, they're not
contributing to their 401k.
Um, they probably have dishesin the sink right now.
Um, you know, they, they, they,their hands are probably dirty,

(02:07:51):
you know, it's just that's,that's what drives that car.
I gotcha Okay, so it's justthings, things aren't in line.
I got those three cars.
That's the car I'm stopping.

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
So um car, I'm stopping.
So um on this, if I'm callingout a vehicle and I'm alone, I
am not gonna light this car upuntil I have somebody with me,
nope.
So I'm gonna play it as chillas I can.
I may even get in a oppositelane that this person's not in.
I'm just gonna keep eyes on andnot keep a lot of pressure on

(02:08:23):
this car.
That's what my play is gonna be, and I don't even know what the
hell we're going after this carfor.
So that's me Rookie move,pulling up behind it, turning
the lights and sirens on rightaway.
So let's hope we don't see that.

Speaker 6 (02:08:37):
Copy that Wisconsin 28.
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Adam Zebra marine blood 8051.
Adam zebra, george 8051.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
Another move that I'm gonna do is, if I'm calling out
the plate over the radio, youare not gonna see my mic up by
my mouth if I'm directly behindthe car.
I don't want them because I'mI'm not going to give them any
indicators.

Speaker 7 (02:09:06):
Steering wheel level.
Yep Talking on it.
Yep All right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
I'm going to go to the comments real quick.
Ryan said that's definitelyprofiling, Absolutely.
So I want to be clear.
There's a difference betweenracially profiling and
criminally profiling.
For instance, and I'll justgive you an example, when I work
is a entertainment styledistrict.

(02:10:09):
If I see a vehicle that is andI'm just going to give you kind
of like the normal hot profilecars a Nissan Altima, a Dodge
Charger those are the two reallypopular ones If I see a ratted
up paper tag that's very hard toread, slight damage on the

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vehicle, like these are twotypes of vehicles that are
highly used in crimes.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
Chrysler 300.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
Chrysler 300 is another one.

Speaker 4 (02:10:38):
Huge smuggling vehicle where we are.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Does that mean I'm going to pull that car over
immediately?
No, no, I'm going to it carover immediately.
No, no, I'm going to.
It's going to draw my attentionand I'm going to start to do my
investigation.
I'm going to run the tag Ifit's readable.
If it's not readable, now I'vegot a reason to pull it over and
look for more.
It has nothing to do with thembeing poor.
Um like uh Constance countrygirl news says who says because

(02:11:03):
just because you have a shittycar doesn't mean you're poor.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
Absolutely not.
There's a ton of people that goto work every day and don't
spend their money on their carsbecause they have a family to
support.
That is yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
So I mean the same argument that you're making,
that you're profiling thatperson's poor.
Well, you're profiling byassuming that person's poor.
They're not poor just becausethe car is poor.
We're profiling based on theway that police work has worked
on criminals.
So again, it doesn't meanyou're going to necessarily just

(02:11:34):
pull that person over, just yougot a shitty ass car.
It's illegal, yeah, it's illegal, to pull over for that anyway,
yeah, um, but what we see a lotof times, especially with paper
tags, is fake paper tags.
So if I can't read it, it'sbeing intentionally.
I don't know I'm trying tothink of the word.

(02:11:56):
They screw with itintentionally so you can't read
it.
It's altered or fictitious, yeahit's been messed with, so they
hope a cop's like well shit, Ican't run it because I can't
read it, so they forget about it, which happens.
So it's not that you'reracially profiling.
You're not profiling based onsomebody's economic status.

(02:12:18):
You're just going based on theway that crime is.
You can't always judge a bookby its cover.
Most of the time, yes, but notalways.
Agreed, I definitely agree.
Frank brought up dirty dishesand unwashed hands and lack of
401k.
I think he's going more off ofpoor decisions than economic

(02:12:41):
class.
But to be fair to your argument, I could see how you could get
to that.
Um, so that's up to.
I'm not gonna speak for frank.

Speaker 4 (02:12:49):
I'm not his daddy, so yeah I'll let him paper tags in
new york.
I didn't know that reallyinteresting.
We have them in in arizona andit's a huge um, it's a huge
monopoly.
Yeah, it's a huge smugglingthing because you'll get a car,
paper, tag it and then transportin it or you could look and see

(02:13:09):
a history of paper tags.
All that stuff is all stuffthat we look at and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
And then Ryan Holzer said while the drug dealer in
the BMW flies by, that's anotherthing A lot of BMW Mercedes
guys.

Speaker 7 (02:13:25):
I've got a lot of BMW Mercedes guys.
I've got a lot of dope.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
Yes, I was going to say Mercedes like clean Mercedes
are another one.
If I see a clean all-whiteMercedes slow rolling, it looks
like it's dropped slightly, likethat's an indicator.
That's something I start tolook into because that's a
high-dollar car and a lot ofpeople that get that high-dollar

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car.
They don't drop those down.
It's a luxury vehicle.
So profiling a rich person,that's not as profiling a poor
person.
It's not as profiling racially.
It's us looking at a vehiclebased on the area that it's in.

(02:14:12):
Because what if I see that carin a very low social economic
area?
Well, it stands out.
Why is that super expensive carover here?
So in the windows are going tobe blacked out tenant, I can't
see who's in it.
So it that that's what theprofiling goes into.

(02:14:33):
That's the criminal profileside of things.

Speaker 7 (02:14:36):
Um which then, after you're getting that, just to add
that you still have to findprobable cause to stop that
vehicle period.
Yeah, I mean that's that's mean.
That's what I want people tounderstand that are watching
this.
You know we may be profiling avehicle and that may be a start
on why we're looking at it.
It has nothing to do with thepeople on the inside.
But then you're going to findthat probable cause and today's

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day and age.
I know for the past.
You know my last 10 years inlaw enforcement.
I'd say 99.9% of my PC wascaught on my dash cam and you
articulate it as it was caused.

Speaker 1 (02:15:10):
Yeah, marine Blood said I have dirty dishes, my
work causes my hands to befilthy and I have a 401k.
And then Steve Wallace saidprofiling is discrimination and
discrimination is wrong.
Ron White, I remember that one.
He said maybe he's deliveringturkeys to the poor fair, but if

(02:15:31):
I have a reason to pull thatcar over and investigate a
little bit, that's what I'mgonna do.

Speaker 4 (02:15:37):
It's kind of cool, man, you make a traffic stop and
you go up to that car and theguy's like, hey, man, I'm
delivering turkeys to the poorand all of his stuff's taken
care of.
You know what you do?
You say, man, good job doingthe Lord's work.
And you don't give that guy aticket and you let him go about
his way and everyone's happy.

Speaker 1 (02:15:55):
And let me see if there's any way I can help you.
And then it turns out I helpthe guy, I give him money
towards his cause for some moreturkeys, and when the turkeys
get delivered they end upfinding out there's a kilo of
Coke in each turkey that wassmuggled.
And now I'm a terrible cop.
So I'm going through thecomments here.

(02:16:19):
Marine blood work gave me drivea Cadillac for a while, since
my temp company vehicle was inthe shop.
Yeah, you got pulled over a lotin a Caddy, didn't you?
Dude your job's awesome.
Ain't nobody driving Caddys butpimps and drug dealers, bro,
I'm just joking.

Speaker 4 (02:16:36):
I do like the CTS.
It's a pretty good looking car,bro, isn't that?

Speaker 1 (02:16:39):
the one that's got the Corvette engine.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
No, you're talking about the.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
V, ctstsv.
Yeah, that's the one I'mthinking of.
He's a nice man, I got outranby the CTV.
Is that what it's called, orCTS?

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
it was.

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
CTS.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
Yeah, one of those outran.
It took off and I just laughed.
I was like, ah, he's out.
See ya, I'm not catching you inan Explorer.
That's going to be my next car.

(02:17:13):
Yeah, nice, we got an explorer.
Yeah, what is it?
The stv?
Yeah, we're not even bothering.
Yeah, um fi, y'all ain'thelping yourselves.
You should move on from theprofiling talk no, we're not
profiling people, that's.

Speaker 7 (02:17:19):
That's the big.
Yeah, I'm not a big thing thatpeople that does not belong in
police work period.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:17:25):
Profiling people.
We're explaining how criminalprofiling helps, and whether or
not you think I'm trying to helpmyself or not, I don't give a
fuck.
I'm telling you how I do policework and I'm telling you what
we do, telling you why we do ithow we do it, and the reason
being is because I'm trying tobe open and transparent and give
accountability to what I do.
And if that is not somethingyou're into and you are into

(02:17:47):
censoring people from talkingabout a topic, then maybe this
ain't the place for you, becauseI'm not going to censor me
myself, anybody on this panel,simply because you don't like
the answer we give.
We're going to give you theanswers we have, and if you want
to discuss that and use yourwords like an adult and explain
to me why what we're sayingisn't helping, then we'll go

(02:18:09):
from there.
So I'm sorry I had to use mybig boy voice for you, but I
damn well won't censor you anddon't try to censor me.
Anyway, as I was saying, andyFletcher, like it or not,
profiling is the best tool Elliehas, and Andy has been on our
shit list this whole time, liketrying to get on us and he's

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backing us up there, like it ornot, profiling is the best tool
Ellie has.
We don't have a whole lot oftools.
It's something we use.
Mr Billfold, eric catches an IAcase over his kilos in the
turkey cavity smuggler Shit,they're on to me.

(02:18:52):
You thought I was joking.

Speaker 7 (02:18:54):
At least it wasn't Ziggs.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
If you think your hood or race is over-profiled,
don't let them ever findanything on you.
Have papers, correct.
It's not that hard.

Speaker 4 (02:19:08):
By the way, it's also the law.
That's not a secret, it's justthe law.

Speaker 1 (02:19:13):
Yeah, and I'm not trying to chase Mr Fi away, I'm
just.
This is the reason we do whatwe do, and when people come in
and they don't like what theyhear and they try to stop us
from saying the things we'resaying, I want you to argue with

(02:19:34):
me and tell me why what I'msaying is wrong, because you may
have a good point that I hadn'tconsidered.
And that is what we want.
I want to be, I want thoseconversations.
I am in a bubble.
I fully admit that.
I've been doing law enforcement18 years.
I've been in the military since2006.

(02:19:55):
I'm still in as a reservist now.
That was active duty 06, 2010.
Banning was in the Korean War,so we've been isolated in a way.
You guys are the way that keepsus grounded.

(02:20:17):
At least, that's what I'mhoping for.
Keep me grounded.
I want to know what y'all think.
So if I am talking out ofpocket and you're like, no,
that's profiling, here's why?
Well, give me an argument,let's, let's talk about it,
figure it out.
So let me keep going with thisvideo.
I'm going to call on atelemarketer.

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He just went the, ran the redlight and fell off.
He fell off the fly.
He's on the plane.
The reason for stopping is thatwe must look at that for the
best.
The evacuation is over, theflight is now in clear position,

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so I like this distance.
So when we're chasing a car, wewant to back off as far as we
can.
So if they make any sort ofevasive moves, we've got plenty
of reaction time and it alsokeeps less pressure on the bad
guy.
Frank, now you're a trafficdude.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:46):
I love it, I love it.
I like having enough.
The last thing you want to dois have someone make a turn and
you go past it.
Oh, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
You just turn your lights and sirens off and you're
like just continue.

Speaker 4 (02:22:00):
I didn't see what I thought I seen.

(02:22:24):
I'm out.
Let's go here.

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
I like that this guy called it out exactly where the
accident happened.

Speaker 6 (02:22:45):
So now we can start getting EMS to the area.
While we stay in our car, wedon't un-ass and we keep chasing
the guy that's running on foot.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Perfect.
He's calling out exactly whatthis guy's wearing.
He called out the brand.
He said Under Armour, I thinkhe said Blue.
Hoodie's wearing a.
I think he said blue hoodieblue whatever under armor, like
it does not get any better asfar as descriptions go um, and
look at, look at the date onthis.

Speaker 7 (02:23:17):
This is just a few days ago and, if I'm not
mistaken, y'all oh god, it wasfour days ago yeah, look at the
background.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
Do you see where my mouse is?
Do you see where he's runningthe school?

Speaker 7 (02:23:30):
No Another PD or a substation.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
Is that a PD?
It's a police substation he'srunning at.
He's running right in.
I'm in danger.
Hey Blue Jeans, going back tothe front, he turned tail, ran
the opposite way.
He knew Get out of my way, stayin your vehicles, boys.

(02:23:56):
You're going to get tired.
I can't be in my car here.
No, you can't.
You'll be high centered, forsure.
Look at your boy.
He's getting ready to run outof gas.

(02:24:25):
Not not the real gas, likephysical gas.
Look, they're just going tostay in their cars.
I love it.

Speaker 6 (02:24:37):
Time to un-ass.
Stop, okay, please stop stopokay.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
I am not upset with the idea of the taser only
because, from the videos thatwe've seen, his hands have been
empty and it appears thatthey're empty now and that dude
is not getting over that barbedwire fence, because it's not
only barbed, it's angled out.

Speaker 7 (02:25:08):
I think a taser deployment.
If he tries it's gonna be lessdamage on that body than what
that barbed wire would be 100percent.

Speaker 1 (02:25:19):
Um, absolutely, uh, oh shoot.
I don't know why this turnedgreen, but constitution country
girl became a member level sixdonuts.
I don't know why this turnedgreen, but Constitutional
Country Girl became a memberlevel six donuts.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
That's how little I know aboutour own YouTube channel right
now.
So, thank you, I'm just goingto give a shout-out to her for
becoming a member.
Yeah.

(02:25:39):
Very cool.
Thank you very much Thank youvery much.

Speaker 4 (02:25:57):
Get out of here.

Speaker 6 (02:25:58):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:25:59):
Thank you very much Relax, relax, relax.

Speaker 6 (02:26:02):
Relax your arm.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
I like that they took their voices from up here to
now.
We're trying to give veryspecific fine motor skill
requests Relax your arm, relaxyour arm.
Like these are things that whenyou're trying to bring somebody
down so they didn't stay ampedup, so that's very cool on their
part.
Oh shit, let's give anothershout out here.

(02:26:29):
Tim became a member, level onedonor.
I'm really pumped about theselevels.
I don't know what they mean.
I hope they are either.
Yeah, I got to figure out myown page apparently, so our page
.

Speaker 4 (02:26:40):
By the way, this is in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
Oh yeah, this is that .

Speaker 7 (02:26:45):
patches white settlement pd and that's it's a
great department.
I mean that they have a a verymotivating chief that tries to
get top of the line technologyfor their officers, yep, so tim
shout out to you brother, thankyou very much.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Um, she said thank you, guys for being honest
content.
You're the first channel I'veever subscribed to.
Holy shit, that's awesome.
You guys don't know.
Listen, you don't know howmotivating that is for a guy
like me that constantly secondguesses are we doing the right

(02:27:18):
thing?
Like, is this, is this working?
Is this something that works?
Um, and I know the evidence ofthe page continually growing
should be enough for me, but I'malways like damn, did I, did I
say something wrong that day?
That's just going to turneverybody off and be like no, he
was full of shit.
Like that's, that's always myworry.

(02:27:38):
Like, just talking about theprofile, the criminal profiling
thing, like I can tell youhonestly in my head, like, as
I'm talking about, I'm like fuck, is this going to be the thing
that turns everybody off?
I'm trying to be honest withyou and tell you how I do the
job, but is that going to bewhat makes you say no, fuck this
guy, he shouldn't be doing that.
And then I I lose whatevermomentum I have, like that sucks

(02:27:58):
.

Speaker 7 (02:27:59):
So go ahead banning's point of view.
Ever since I've been joiningyou on this and then officially
becoming a small part of thisbeing the other half, I've
gotten literally hundreds ofLinkedIn messages thanking us,
meaning Two Cops, one Donut fromofficers across the country
that realized that they were notgetting enough training at
their department due to budgetconstraints or whatever, and

(02:28:33):
then they were taking the moneyout of their own pocket to
either go get some jujitsudriver training to proper
interview techniques that wasout of the scope of what their
department offered, based on Ofwhat we were saying on videos
you know this department didn'thave enough training, this and
this and then they're like youknow what I need to address my
own training and to have that Iknow that we're doing.
If officers are going out toseek more training because of
what we're doing, then that'sgreat.
If we've explained maybe to oneperson that had a bad encounter
of what the true 99 percentileof what law enforcement is

(02:28:55):
across the country, then we'vedone our job.
So that's a bad excuse on it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
Appreciate it, Appreciate it.
And then we get guys like Frankon here who helps support the
show, which Frank, by the way, Ihave two things at my desk
Frank's badge that he bought tosupport our show.
So this is his.

(02:29:22):
It's even got his little papertag on the back so I don't
accidentally give it to somebodyelse and then I only keep.
If you guys know me, I've beena cop a long time and military
collect patches.
It's just kind of a culturalthing.
I've only got one desk on my oronly one patch on my desk.
I do only have one desk andI've only got one patch on my
desk and that is Fridays withFrank on the, the mountain of

(02:29:46):
right, just like the one on hischest, because he's my boy and I
met him in person really is agood, genuine dude.
so make sure you guys check outfridays with frank stuff as well
as ours.
But um, oh, somebody broke down, so it says um, harrison brock

(02:30:06):
said one donut equals three, 99a month, six donuts equals six,
99 a month and a Baker's does.
I remember typing that out, butI had no idea what I was typing
out for.
I don't think I have there'sdefault, there's default things
on there.
So it was like you must enter atitle here.
So I was like, all right, entera thing here, enter a thing

(02:30:28):
here.
So I entered those in.
I didn't know that it haddollars amounts attached to it.
That's awesome.
So, holy shit, that's reallycool.
I'm super.
It makes me super excited.

Speaker 4 (02:30:41):
I'm trying to figure out how to get into that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
No, fuck you, Frank.
This is mine.
You don't get this one.

Speaker 4 (02:30:45):
No, I'm on yours.
I am on your page right now.
Oh, you're on mine You're goingto subscribe to mine.

Speaker 1 (02:30:51):
Oh my boy.
Okay, I take that back.
I digress.
It's got three tiers, mrBalefold.
Three tiers, okay, that'sawesome.
Tim said my whole reason fordoing all this is to help bridge
the gap between cops and thepeople and hold governments
accountable.
I like it, damn right.

Speaker 4 (02:31:09):
That needs to happen.

Speaker 1 (02:31:10):
As it should be.
I think that is our job as copsis to hold our own department
accountable, damn right.
I'm really big into real-timecrime centers and the reason I
am is because I see thepotential for it to do really
good police work, to really helpcatch bad guys, keep citizens
safe and keep cops safe.
But I see a real potential foroverreach.

(02:31:33):
So I am trying to.
Everybody's got a sword to fallon, everybody's got a cause,
because me in police work mynewest cause is to get into the
real-time crime center scene andmake sure that we are not
overstepping using such a greattool.
So I digress from that.

(02:31:56):
Let me get.
Let's get back to the videos.
What everybody really wants tosee.
They don't want to hear me talkon a fucking pedestal With my
awesome Retro Rifle shirt.
Who is not a sponsor?
Yet you retro rifle notice mebecause I love their products
went with yellow.
You can see the sniper rifle onthere.
I think it's got barretts onthis one.
Yep, yeah, buddy, I like it.

(02:32:17):
Um, I like my hawaiian shirtswith guns guys.
All right, let me get tosharing the screen.
Share the screen biggie size.
All right, here we go.
Shouldn't be too much more tothis one 104 taser deployed.
We got one in custody again,that goes to transparency, right

(02:32:39):
there.
They said that they deployedtheir taser.
That's public records on theradio.
Now they know to start sendingems.
The medical um and theirsupervisor should be in route.
All of that stuff.
Um, oh shit, we got another one.
Y'all dang what is going ontonight.
We don't even have that manypeople on, like we usually do.
And now harrison brock.

(02:33:00):
So shout out to harrison brock.
He became a member with thebaker's dozen, and now I
understand what the Baker'sDozen means.
He basically got the highesttier package, harrison.

Speaker 7 (02:33:09):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
Thank you so much.
Like I said earlier, there'smembers seeing numbers, seeing
stats, seeing downloads.
That all is affirmation that weare on the right path, that we
are on the right path.
And then when you actually getsomebody to reach into their

(02:33:32):
pocket to support you, it justspeaks in a way that nothing
else does.
You know Frank with his.
You know I kind of learned alittle bit from Frank when he
started up his, you know,getting his patches for what he
does and whatnot, and Frank doeseverything himself.
And, um, frank does everythinghimself, puts all the products
out, mails all the products.
So anytime you order somethingfrom Frank, you're getting a

(02:33:53):
piece of Frank.

Speaker 4 (02:33:55):
My hands, my hands have touched everything.
Right now I'm out of town, um,so my sister's actually taking
care of everything right now, um, to make sure that people are
getting stuff, you know, bychristmas time, because I'm
going to be, uh, be, out of townfor a little bit.
Obviously I'm not in my normalbackdrop right now, so, uh, but
yeah, so I mean, even even rightnow, it's, it's a, it's a
family business.

(02:34:16):
I mean, she's, she's in thehouse and and, uh, you know, I'm
filming stuff for for inventoryand making sure she has
inventory and she's fillingorders.
Uh, she filled orders and sentstuff today.
So if you placed an order today, it was filled by my baby
sister and, yep, and it's, it'sin the mail right now.
So it's, uh, it's kind of afamily business, it's kind of

(02:34:36):
cool.

Speaker 1 (02:34:37):
You got any pictures of your sister uh, yeah,
somewhere, of course I did.

Speaker 4 (02:34:40):
She's my baby sister you ruined my joke.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
You're supposed to say no and I'm like you want to
see some yeah, I got him.

Speaker 4 (02:34:47):
That's why I knew that.

Speaker 1 (02:34:48):
I knew where that was going mr billfold gifted a
membership, a level onemembership.
I who did you gift a membershipto?
Uh oh, did you gift yourmembership to ryan, that's
awesome is that what that is.
That's Because he said hereceived a membership gift.
So shout out to Ryan, shout outto Mr Billfold for passing it

(02:35:12):
forward.
I like that.
Marine Blood's like damn it,why not me?
That's awesome.
Constitutional Country Girlsaid we want to keep you guys
around.
I'm just going to callalCountry Girl said we want to
keep you guys around.
I'm going to call you CountryGirl for short.
I appreciate it.
Oh my god, seriously, I'm aneasy crier.

(02:35:37):
Guys, don't think that I'mbeing super.
Oh, he's so emotional right now.
No, I cry easy.
That's just how I am.
That's why I have BanningBanning's my strong side.
I'm a weak man.
I'll be there in 30 minutes tocome put you to sleep again.
It's okay.
Thank you, buddy.
I appreciate you.
Youtube gifted subs are random.

(02:36:01):
Oh, I didn't know that YouTubechose folks.
I wasn't showing favoritism.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Okay, well, that sucks, becausewhat if you did want to gift it
to, like a family member?
You're like hey, let me getyour membership should be able
to do that.
He says he needs emojis.
Now I don't even know what the?

(02:36:21):
Oh, I know what he's talkingabout.
Like, like, yeah, you can.
I saw those options, guys,trust me.
I just don't know how to do allthat shit yet I'm learning.
Just I just broke, brokethrough, so give me time.
It's actually fun becausethere's a lot of you that are in
the comments that have beenthere since I got all this going
.
You know, steve Wallace is oneof the.
He's been.
He's made every single liveI've ever done.

(02:36:43):
I don't think he's ever missedone.
So it's fun for me to see youguys watch me figure this shit
out.
I'm like, oh, they knew.
When I was really dumb and Ididn't know how to do this shit,
you had to explain to me my ownfucking YouTube channel.
How embarrassing is that?
Oh jeez.

(02:37:04):
Just know that any of thesedonations that come in, they go
directly into the show.
They don't go into my pocket.
They don't go for new retrorifle shirts.
They don't go to any of that.
They go for equipment, which Ithink I'm good on, equipment for
right now.
There's some things that I'dlike to see down the road, but I
don't think I need anything.
I need to get banning equipment, I need to get matt.

(02:37:24):
I need to get likeningequipment.
I need to get Matt.
I need to get like.
So now I got to start gettingall these guys that just jumped
under our umbrella.
Start getting those guysequipment so they can put out
their content better for y'all,cause I know you get tired of
hearing me, so that's theexciting part.
Um, I'd love to give my fellowdevil dog one.

(02:37:45):
Eric, you got to step out of thecustomer emojis.
Step up out, customer emojis.
This shit is less than basic, Iguess.
Yeah, I guess I'll have tofigure it out.
I'll do that after the nextvideo.
I'll figure that out.
Let's share this tab instead.
My cord was touching my ankle,right between my sock and my

(02:38:09):
pant leg and I thought I had abug on me.
Freaked me out.
All right, you guys ready,ready to take a look?
All right, let's see what wegot hey, he's on the roof the

(02:38:35):
roof.

Speaker 4 (02:38:35):
Hey, get down here, show your hands or I'm gonna
come up there and grab you.

Speaker 1 (02:38:39):
Yes, okay.
So I'm gonna assume we're goingafter some sort of burglar or
somebody trying to evade cops,and we've see them.

Speaker 4 (02:38:49):
What do you got, frank?
I don't it's.
This is somewhere back East andI love it.
The voice the the.
I love it.
I love the accent.
Um, yeah, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't have a.
I just read the title, so Ikind of like where this is going
.

Speaker 1 (02:39:09):
I think it's holiday appropriate.
I didn't read it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:14):
So I'm trying to see where it goes.

Speaker 6 (02:39:15):
Hey, somebody ran, somebody ran.
Was that him?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:39:20):
That came out like Batman.
That was a cape crusader.
I swear he had a cape on.
Was that just me?
Could have been Santa claus,let me.
I'm gonna go back, just like Iswear he had a cape.
All right, from here I'm gonnaput out a description, not
somebody ran banning sameabsolutely same.
Can't put something out there,yeah whatever, whatever subject,

(02:39:41):
I'm going to put out adescription, not somebody ran
Banning Same.

Speaker 7 (02:39:47):
Absolutely same.
Gotta put something out there.
Yeah, you gotta put adescription.

Speaker 4 (02:39:50):
Whatever subject dressed in all dark clothing,
something.

Speaker 1 (02:39:54):
Yeah, which direction the Jew?

Speaker 6 (02:40:01):
What's up, I was walking my dog.

Speaker 2 (02:40:03):
A little while ago I heard some screaming.
I looked up and that back house.
A guy went down.
Yeah, he went down the chimney.
He's in the chimney.
He's in the chimney.
Hey, he's in the chimney.
What chimney, what chimney?
That house in the chimney.
He went in.
David said he went in thechimney one of them.
How did he do?

Speaker 1 (02:40:23):
that I don't know Window.
They must have smashed.
See that window over there.
All right, if I got somebody ina chimney Time for a letter
trick, yep, I'm going to call FD, yep, yep.
And.

Speaker 4 (02:40:38):
We got to wait those guys out.
They got to.
Yeah, honestly, I'm probablygoing to give SWAT the
opportunity.

Speaker 1 (02:40:42):
I'm going to give SWAT the opportunity.
I'm going to let them know.
I'm going to say, hey, I got abarricaded person.
Air quotes.
We're coming out for that youwill, if it's the holidays and
you all need Christmas money.

Speaker 7 (02:40:56):
I think they're subject.
They're subject.

Speaker 4 (02:40:59):
It might be a little heated.
Yeah, it's going to be mediumrare by the time you get in
there, right?

Speaker 1 (02:41:05):
Oh man, ca caught in the chimney.
I mean it's definitely wardsaid.
Well, now this is a hot call.
Oh man, let's keep going here.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonnahave fun with this one.
If I'm on scene, I'm gonna havefun this one.
Did you ask what this guy'swearing?

Speaker 4 (02:41:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41:27):
It looks like your ugly-ass deputy shit Whoa.

Speaker 4 (02:41:31):
Hey, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:41:37):
Banning.
You've been both, sir.
Yeah, yeah.
What's better looking, thepolice municipal blues or
Depends on the environment.

Speaker 4 (02:41:46):
No, no, it's a rural environment.

Speaker 1 (02:41:49):
Yeah, listen, I didn't ask what's more
comfortable, because I alreadyknow the answer to that.
One Depends on the environment.
What looks better.
You guys in the comments, whatdo you think looks better?
Deputy uniform or a city copuniform?
I like mine because I get towear a cowboy hat.

(02:42:10):
All right, each one of us.
I'll tell you mine first andyou go with yours.
As I look over and, knowinghe's stuck in the chimney, I'm
gonna.
My first comment's gonna bewhat you're thinking about down
there.
That's what I'm gonna say.

(02:42:32):
What would you say, frank?

Speaker 4 (02:42:35):
um, you're 15 days early to play santa that's so
much better than mine.

Speaker 1 (02:42:42):
Oh, banning.
What are you gonna say to him?

Speaker 7 (02:42:45):
I'm just waiting for mary poppins to start singing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:47):
Man oh no what was the chimney song?
I remember that.
What was the guy was that?

Speaker 7 (02:42:55):
it was pretty I think it was.

Speaker 1 (02:42:58):
I think it was a dick van dyke that was in that, I
can't remember.
Yeah, anyway, please don't letme down.
You've got to have a clevercomment here because I'm not.
I'm not coming over and talkinginto that chimney like a hard

(02:43:19):
ass.
I've got it.

Speaker 4 (02:43:21):
I've got some smart ass comment coming right now I
hope it's like hey, how youdoing down there, yeah, yeah
yeah, what you do now stupid.

Speaker 6 (02:43:37):
You're an idiot.
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:43:43):
Yes, that's perfect.
I knew he wouldn't let me down.

Speaker 4 (02:43:46):
I hope he's looking at the bottom of someone's
perfect.
I knew he wouldn't let me down.
I hope he's looking at thebottom of someone's feet.

Speaker 1 (02:43:50):
Oh, that's right.
Did he go feet first, or did hego?

Speaker 4 (02:43:53):
head first.
I'm curious about it.

Speaker 1 (02:43:55):
You're an idiot, you know that right.
Hello, let's go back.
I got it, I love it.
Oh, like Nostradamus on that, Iknew something bad was coming.

Speaker 6 (02:44:08):
You're an idiot.
Get up, show us your hand rightnow.
Show us your hand.

Speaker 1 (02:44:14):
Sir, I can't, I can't .
What do you expect him to do?
Show me your hands.
Talk about a fatal funnel.
Holy shit, uh love it show usyour hands tell them to send

(02:44:40):
rescue.
That's how that song went.
Mr billfold nailed it chimchiminy, chim chim, chim, chim
roo.
I remember that now.
Oh, that was the greatest.
That was like one of myfavorite parts of that movie.
Alright, let's keep going.
Are you?
Stuck.
Why are you asking questions?
You know the answer to youstuck.
Nope, I thought I'd hang out.

(02:45:02):
Wait for y'all.
Are you stuck?
Oh, he's stuck like Chuck bro,he ain't going anywhere when you
going?

Speaker 6 (02:45:14):
Nowhere You're going, nowhere Can you breathe fine.

Speaker 1 (02:45:20):
I got you for five minutes, Five minutes of
playtime.
What movie is that from?
Oh hell.
Damn that guy's way down thereFucking Spider-Man.
Remember Macho man was in thething and he's fighting Bonesaw.
Come on now and I'm talkingTobey Maguire Spider-Man, by the
way, yeah, he is.

(02:45:41):
That is every bit of six toeight feet down in that thing.
That's a good chimney too.
It's pretty clean.
Yeah, might not get used.

Speaker 6 (02:45:52):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to take the size.

Speaker 1 (02:45:54):
There's FD.
I'm 109 pounds, you pull me up,I'm in there he said I'm 109
pounds, Pull me up to get me outof here.

Speaker 6 (02:46:07):
That's a lot, nah pounds.
Pull me up to get me out, I'mtelling this joke.

Speaker 2 (02:46:11):
Don't look up all right buddy, his hip, and your
can, and your can.

Speaker 6 (02:46:33):
So it's looking a little higher, that's too
straight up.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
Ah, ah, ah, my leg there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:46:41):
Firefighter throwing shade at him.
There you go.
Good job, kid.
Mr Billfold said typical Popo'sharassing a lawful chimney
sweep.
Fair play, sir, fair play.
Look at the firefighters.
Arrest this guy.

(02:47:02):
That's awesome.
We got one video.
Oh no, that's Frank's video.
Never mind, that was it.
That's awesome.
We got one video.
Oh no, that's frank's video.
Never mind, that was it.
That's all we got tonight.
That's all I got pulled up.
Stop sharing.
Um, so yeah, we got.
I mean, we got time to sit hereand chat.
So if you guys got topics oranything you want to hit, don't
bring up qualified immunity.
I told you guys I got a goodepisode for that coming up where

(02:47:23):
I want experts to come on andbe able to talk on both sides.
So please, I understand youguys want to get into qualified
immunity, but if you it's arabbit hole, man.
It's a rabbit hole, yeah, and ifyou get me talking about it,
I'm an idiot and I don't knowwhat I'm saying.
I don't know.
I kind of understand what itdoes and I kind of don't

(02:47:45):
understand what it does.

Speaker 4 (02:47:47):
Do you guys?

Speaker 1 (02:47:48):
have it in Texas.
You have it because of theSupreme Court.
Sir, what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (02:47:52):
Well, but some states don't.

Speaker 1 (02:47:55):
No, no, that's not true.
Everybody has it.
Well, everybody has it.
But some states that's how muchLike New York City, their city
council passed that they're nothaving.
Yeah, so it doesn't matter whatthey come up with, as long as
the Supreme Court still has theruling.
That's going to be the, it'sgoing to supersede anything.

(02:48:16):
So and that's my understandingabout it and I can't get into an
argument about it.

Speaker 4 (02:48:22):
We need more information, we need an expert.

Speaker 1 (02:48:24):
That's just what an expert told me, you should have
people on.
Yeah, I know Exactly.
So I'm going to have our friendfrom Force Science banning.
I'm blanking Vaughn.
Vaughn has stepped up to theplate to want to be that guy,
but he does want time to prepand get his expertise.
And then I found a guy fromTwitter who and I told you, guys

(02:48:49):
, I always open up to trolls orpeople that just have a
different mindset and they wantto.
They have the balls to come onhere and and and speak their
mind.
I'm all for that.
I don't want an echo chamber.
So I have a guy from Tik TOK or,I'm sorry, twitter X that that
uh wants to come on and debatequalified immunity with him.

(02:49:09):
And from everything I've talkedto him, guys, he's not some
like nut job.
He seems to know his shit, uh.
So I'm gonna let them talkabout it and go back and forth.
Well, you don't want me doingit.
I'm just gonna give you myperspective and try to chime in
from both sides, to play devil'sadvocate when I can.
So we're going to do that.

(02:49:30):
And then the crowd, thefollowers on here they have
reached out or they are going toreach out through Matt, to this
New Jersey auditor guy.
I think it's New Jersey, he'sreally popular out there.

Speaker 4 (02:49:46):
I've heard I think it's new york- maybe it's long
island, yes, long island everytime I see it on there I'm like
oh, it's long out.
I know nothing about it, I justkeep seeing the name yeah, um,
I've seen his videos.

Speaker 1 (02:49:58):
I'm not real familiar with him, but I know that he
knows his shit, he's on top ofhis game and he wins a lot of
lawsuits.
So I want to have him on andhear from an auditor's
perspective, because I've heardcops.
Do you guys have?

Speaker 4 (02:50:14):
them?
Do you have them in Fort Worthoh?

Speaker 1 (02:50:17):
yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:50:18):
In Dallas.

Speaker 1 (02:50:19):
Fort Worth and all of the North DFW area.
Yes, they're all over in Texas,sir.

Speaker 4 (02:50:25):
We've got them also and, uh, it's yeah, frank uh,
yes, no confrontational.
And uh, I'm telling you rightnow, those dudes know the law
better than most cops, right, itis unbelievable how
knowledgeable and articulatethey are.
Yeah, and, like you said, thatguy wins lawsuits.

(02:50:49):
There are cops who, whetherthey're driven by ego, or
they're which is usual, right,which is usual, or they're just
driven by pure ignorance of thelaw or a misinterpretation of
the law or lack of knowledge.
But Cops are getting in troubleby people that are absolutely
legally pushing the boundariesbut staying in the legal

(02:51:12):
boundaries, right, and that arein cops because their ego is.
You know, someone's standing onthe sidewalk and cop walks up
and say, man, let me see your,let me see your driver's license
.
You know, let me see your ID.
Right, legally does not have toprovide that ID.
And then the cop hooks themlike, hooks them like hey, man,
you got to know that justbecause someone says no to you,
they can say no, it's absolutelylegal unless you have a legal

(02:51:36):
right.
Doesn't apply during trafficstops, which is why I'm you know
, it makes it easier for me.
But if you're doing rightcentral contact, man, you just
can't be, walking up to peopleyou know.
So it's interesting.
But those guys, I'm telling youyou get getting a good one
who's really articulate andwell-informed is uh, it's, it's
good.

Speaker 1 (02:51:56):
What has been great about first amendment auditors
and second amendment auditors isthey have created such great
training for police.
They have exposed a huge gap intraining and I think that those
auditors, police they haveexposed a huge gap in training,
huge gap.
I think that those auditorsthat that was their goal.
That's the ones that I love.

(02:52:18):
I'm like kudos to you.
You did your research, you knowyour shit.
You realized there was a gapand you exposed it because it
wasn't being.
That gap wasn't being filledand it needed to be so, because
you had officers, eitherintentionally or unintentionally
going out and violatingpeople's rights.
Well, now that you've exposedit, that has been much more

(02:52:40):
limited.
However, as you have probablyseen on a lot of the videos I
tag you in, frank, that I putout, there's still a lot of
videos of cops doing that stupidshit.
I'm like how is it in 2024, atthe end of it that we still have
cops demanding ID because theywere called to the scene?

(02:53:02):
I got a call out here, so Ihave a right to ID you.
The fuck you do?
Absolutely not.
That's not how that works.
Not, that's not how that works,but that's how everything is
there's.

Speaker 4 (02:53:14):
there's a, you know, ego is the enemy is, you know,
and a lot of people talk aboutit and it's books are written
about it and you know the.
The tagline on on my email issubordinate your ego.
Um, because it is, it leadsofficers down the road of.
You can't say no to me, andthat's not true.
People could say no to us allthe time and we would be.

(02:53:37):
We would be remiss as as lawenforcement officers and banning
and I as constitutionallymandated law enforcement
officers not you, because you'rea city cop, not yet Wear that,
your blue uniform.
It's the last thing that wewant to do is trample on

(02:53:58):
people's constitutional rights.
I mean, that's not worth theirado.
And trampling on someone'sconstitutional rights because
your ego got involved means thatyou probably need some training
and if not, you need to find adifferent occupation.

Speaker 1 (02:54:12):
Yeah, let's see.
I, uh, I have the night.
He said.
You know, I used to think Frankwas just just the was just a
disingenuous asshole on hisstops, but I think I figured
something out.
He comes up with smiles andstuff, but sometimes it appears
fake, or forced?

Speaker 4 (02:54:33):
yeah, and it's not.
I'm a genuinely smiley guy.
I smile by nature.
I can't help it I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:54:41):
I think too frank and you can banning.
You can jump on this as well.
I tend to notice the, the humoror the of policing that's the
best way I can put it when.
I'll give you an example.
I just had a call two days agothree days ago three days ago

(02:55:01):
because I got to go to worktomorrow, so three days ago of a
dude knocking, banging on theverizon uh cellular store window
and um exposing himself.
Oh yeah.
So as I get the call, as I seeit on the sheet, I was real
close.
Now I'm the supervisor.
I'm not supposed to take thecall, but I was around the

(02:55:21):
corner.
So for me, I'm like this willbe fun.
Like I'm already smiling, Ilike, I like like this shit
cracks me up.
I'm like, all right, let's gohandle.
You know, crazy guy, cause itisn't a guy going out there for
sexual gratification, it's anutso dude like that.
You get used to doing thisstuff for so long.
So I'm like, all right, let mego see what's going on.

(02:55:42):
So I get over there and sureshit not.
So do well, my, my officersaren't gonna let me take the
call.
So like, give me that sheet,I'm not gonna let the sergeant.
You know, I'll take that fromthe serge.
So, um, they show up and I'm Idon't even address the guy, I
just go straight into the storebecause he's banging on the
window and he's pulling on hispants.
He's not exposing himself, um,but I could see how they were

(02:56:04):
getting that impression becausehe was, he was threatening to
show the stuff.
But as, uh, I go inside and Igo in and ask specifically real
quick, I need to know if I havean offense, constitutionally
minded, why do I need to makecontact with this guy for
knocking on the window?
I don't.
Yet let me go see if I can help.
Hey, did this guy show hiswiener and do anything?
No, he's just pounding on thedoor real loud and and swearing,

(02:56:25):
okay, being disorderly, beingdisorderly.
So I got little kids inside andhe's swearing, okay.

Speaker 4 (02:56:27):
Being disorderly.

Speaker 1 (02:56:28):
Being disorderly.
So I got little kids inside andhe's swearing and I'm like all
right, so we got some offensivelanguage if they choose to say
that it offended them.
I didn't ask him if it offendedthem.

Speaker 4 (02:56:38):
You want to be a victim.

Speaker 1 (02:56:39):
Yeah, I didn't ask him if they want to be a victim
yet.
So now let's go outside.
Well, now both of my officersare out there talking and
they're younger officers andthey're they're one.
Sarge is on scene.
So they're trying to beprofessional and to their
patients level is way differentthan mine.

(02:56:59):
They want this guy to just getbeat feet and get out of there,
but they're more than willing tosnatch him up and take him to
jail to show Sarge like hey,we're going to fucking do this
work, work me.
I want to have a conversationwith the guy.
Like dude, what are you doing?
Like so they're both trying to.
I'm like listen one at a time.
Like you guys can't both talkto him.

(02:57:20):
Like one person talk, oneperson go run information.
So I kind of police them alittle bit because I want to
deal with the guy.
It's my, my sheet.
They jumped my sheet.
So, um, I start talking hey, man, what's what's going on?
He's he's talking to eightdifferent people that aren't
there.
So I'm like hey, real quick.
Like can you talk?

(02:57:41):
I know you're talking to theseguys, which didn't exist.
And I'm like can you, can youtalk to me?
And he looks at me and he'slike, what can I do you for?
I was like the best response Icould expect, what can I do you
for?
And so I was like, hey, man,can you not bother these people?
And knock on the window.
And he's like, well, they gotthese things and they're probing

(02:58:02):
and they're going to check myhead Because it's a Verizon
store, go figure.
So they're looking into hishead store, go figure, so
they're looking into his head.
But I enjoy listening to themindset of somebody that's going
through the shit they're goingthrough.
I want to understand wheretheir mind was at.
So, if you took just a fewseconds to break that down, he
thought the Verizon store waslistening to his thoughts.

(02:58:23):
And I'm like, okay, well, thebest way we can deal with that
is getting out of here andgetting away from them.
The farther you get away fromthis place, the less they can
deal and listen to your head.
And I was able to reason withthis guy within a few minutes.
I was entertained because itwas fun for me, not at his
expense, I wasn't doing anythingthat made him feel bad about
himself but for me it's likefront row tickets to the best

(02:58:48):
show on earth and I really hadfun on a short seven 10-minute
call.
That's really what that was.
It wasn't a report that neededto be done.
Nobody was actually a victim,and this guy was able to.
It's not illegal to be crazy,so I let him go be crazy
somewhere else.
So that was 5G mind control.

(02:59:09):
There's people that thinkthat's a thing.
Uh, listen, I know I'm notgetting away from cell phones no
matter where I go, so I'm justaccepted that the, the 5g is
just gonna be there.
Uh, foul language is notcriminal act.
Regardless of how rude, it isIncorrect.

Speaker 4 (02:59:30):
That is not correct.

Speaker 1 (02:59:31):
It depends on your state, mr Billfold.
In Texas, foul language can beviewed as offensive language,
and offensive language as longas you have a person willing to
be a victim and say thatlanguage offended me and they're
willing to sign the citationfor that.

Speaker 7 (02:59:51):
It's a ticket, so it is an offense, and to add to
that, the officer themselvesknow that they're not going to
be offended by that.
It's somebody else that'scalling, and then we are a
complete neutral party on that.

Speaker 1 (03:00:02):
Yeah, we have-.
Especially children, yeah,around children and stuff like
that.
Us as police cannot be theoffended party and I can't
solicit offense, so to speak.
I can't go up to them and belike this language offended you,
right, and hold a ticket bookup like I'm about to write on it
and they're like, oh, okay, soI can get a ticket to that guy,

(03:00:24):
like that's a policy thing,we're not supposed to do that.
But yeah, offensive language incertain states, but there's
other states that I would assumethey don't have that.

Speaker 4 (03:00:37):
Arizona is one of them also, where you could go
into that store and ask thepatrons, especially a mother
with a child.
You know, hey, what did he say?
Well, he said A, b and C Are A,b and C, you know, is that is
that language you wouldtypically use around your child.
You know, you could, you couldask those qualifying questions
and ask them if they're, ifthey're willing to be a victim

(03:00:57):
for that crime.

Speaker 1 (03:00:58):
Right.
So they said that will not holdup in Supreme Court of the
United States case law.
I, I would imagine you're right.

Speaker 7 (03:01:08):
I've never written it and he's speaking under the
First Amendment and I totallyget that.
100% freedom of speech.
We're 100% here to protect that.
But with state laws and locallaws, if somebody calls
non-emergency or emergencynumber and we go there, we must
act on those state and locallaws and then the courts will
determine.

Speaker 4 (03:01:26):
Right, that's not our job.
To make the determination, likeI don't arrest people thinking
is the Supreme Court, does thismeet the threshold for a crime
in my state, based on the lawsthat I know and how they're
written, right?
What happens with lawyer?
Oh, that case is going to getpled downer.

(03:01:47):
That's not my problem.
That's not a frank problem.
That's a prosecutor problem.
That's not a Frank problem,that's a prosecutor problem.
That's a you know, that's apublic defender problem.
That's a judge problem.
It probably calls exists andthere's a victim.
There's a victim and we don'tarrest the person for that.
That victim is almostvictimized again because they've
been victimized by this person.

Speaker 1 (03:02:16):
And then by this person and then their problem
isn't handled by us and that'snot right and and part of that
is too is like it would be likesomebody getting their car
broken into and and, um, theircar, their phone charger got
stolen, like in my eyes.
I'm like, well, fuck, I'm not.
What am I gonna do?
Like you know, I can't.
I have to file that charge.
There's nothing I can do aboutthat because I have nothing to
do with it.
So, just like the offensivelanguage, it is a crime where I

(03:02:37):
am at.
I have nothing to do with it.
I have to file it based on thevictim.
I have no discretion.
There's nothing I can do to getout of that.
Just like if I run across thewanted felon, there's nothing I
can do to get out of that.
Just like if I run across thewanted felon, there's nothing I
can do to let that person go.
They are now my responsibilitybecause if I don't, now I've got

(03:02:58):
a failure to act.
Now I'm getting fired, probablycharged because I didn't bring
somebody in front of a judgelike I am mandated to do.
That is a shell.
That is a big deal.
Can't let felons go.

Speaker 4 (03:03:10):
That's what a warrant is.
It's an order from a judge.
So you know right, you'retelling that judge.
I, I know more than you.
You know this person doesn'tneed to go to jail and that's
not correct.
Yeah, copy charged with uh, Ihave no idea what usc is,
because it's federal court codeand we don't do that.

Speaker 1 (03:03:26):
So yeah, I don't really have much to do with that
.
I am going to look it up though.

Speaker 4 (03:03:31):
United States could.
Yeah, if the arrests somewhereover the next week.

Speaker 1 (03:03:36):
So 18 USC 242.
Okay, let me see hereDeprivation of rights.
Let me share the screen.
This is what's fun.

Speaker 4 (03:03:51):
They give a shit.

Speaker 1 (03:03:52):
You get to look it up .
Whoever, under color of law,statute, ordinance, regulation
or custom, willfully subjectsany person in a state, territory
, commonwealth, possession ordistrict to the deprivation of
any rights, privileges orimmunities secured or protected
by the Constitution or laws ofthe United States, or to

(03:04:13):
different punishment pains,penalties on account of such a
person being an alien or byreason of his color race are
prescribed for punishment ofcitizens shall be fined under
this title.
So I think I can stop there,because you are basing what
you're doing on a person beingan alien.

(03:04:36):
That's a weird way to put it.
Or their color or race shall befine, okay, uh in prisons for
one year or both.

Speaker 4 (03:04:50):
Yeah, I don't think that that applies to when we're
called to disorderly conduct.

Speaker 1 (03:05:05):
Yeah, because they're not being punished based on
their race, Really being analien.

Speaker 4 (03:05:10):
What the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 1 (03:05:12):
um, et right, are they saying if you're just not
local, if you're not from thecountry?
I guess yeah, um, that's just aweird way to put it.
And then, uh, or by reasons ofcolor or race, deprivation of

(03:05:32):
rights under the color of law,which I get what you're saying.
We're wearing the uniform, sowe are the color of law, so I
understand that.
But I don't think simplybecause by reasons.
And what it's saying because ofa person is who they are, so
you're not writing them a ticketfor swearing because of who

(03:05:54):
they are.
You write them a ticket forswearing because they used
offensive language againstanother person.
Had nothing to do with whatthey did to me, so I'm not
writing them up for that.
And then, by reasons of theircolor, I'm not writing them up,
for that has nothing to do withwhat their color is, is it's
because they swore in front ofanother person and that person
is the victim, and then it's notbecause of their race.

(03:06:15):
So somebody said wrong code.
Did I read the wrong one?
Shit, it says 18242.
It's gotta be true.
It's on the internet, right?
Yeah, I got it from thedeprivation, yeah 18242.

Speaker 7 (03:06:27):
It's got to be true.
It's on the internet.

Speaker 1 (03:06:29):
Right, yeah, I got it from the deprivation.
Yeah, 18242.
Deprivation of rights undercolor of law.
Personally, I will be depressed.
Constitution, section, color oflaw access.
I'm reading this so I apologizeif I get quiet.

(03:06:51):
Oh, okay, this looks different.
So let me.
Somebody else said you're underthe right code.
I'm trying to figure out a wayto make this bigger.

Speaker 4 (03:07:05):
So while you're reading that, I pulled up the
disorderly conduct statute forArizona and 13-2904.3.
It's actually A3.
It says uses abusive oroffensive language or gestures
to any person present in themanner likely to provoke

(03:07:27):
immediate physical retaliationby such person.
So take that and that isstraight verbiage from Arizona
revised statutes.
That's Arizona law.
How is that covered by FirstAmendment?
I think you can say lots ofthings, but if you are using
abusive or offensive language orgestures, so that's how Arizona

(03:07:53):
law reads under our disorderlyconduct statute.

Speaker 1 (03:07:56):
Okay, this does have, and I don't know how accurate.
Whatever this is, it looks likeit's a gov so it's got to be
somewhat accurate.
It says, for the purpose ofsection 242, let me read this
Okay, title 18, it's a crime fora person acting under the color
of law to willfully deprive aperson of a right or privilege
protected by the Constitution orlaws of the United States.

(03:08:18):
So we're talking about FirstAmendment right which is
protected by the Constitution.
Acts under color of lawincludes acts not only done by
federal, state or localofficials within their lawful
authority that is, us but alsoacts done beyond the bounds of
that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while

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official is purporting to orpretending to act in the
performance of his or her duties.
Okay, person acting under colorlaw within the meaning of this
statute include police officers,prison guards and other law
enforcement officials, as wellas judges, care providers in
public health facilities.

(03:09:02):
It is not necessary that thecrime be motivated by animus
towards race, color, religion,sex, handicap, familiar status
or national origin of the victim.
That's an important sentence.
So they may have a point theway I read that that specific
line there is.

(03:09:22):
It is not necessary that thecrime is motivated by any of
that.
Maybe they have a point I don'tknow this would be a good thing
to bring.
They have a point I don't knowthis would be a good thing to
bring up to a prosecutor.

Speaker 7 (03:09:34):
I think it'd be a good one to bring up with Don as
well.
I think we can add that in thatepisode.

Speaker 4 (03:09:40):
I was just thinking that you talk about qualified
immunity.

Speaker 7 (03:09:44):
And then get the ex-guy, because he probably has
expertise in this as well, andget both opinions out there,
just to where everybody can seeit.

Speaker 1 (03:09:53):
Yeah, if my words provoke you to violence, you are
weak.
I agree, I do not disagree withthat.
I agree with you, sir, wordsare words and that's why I can
tell you I've never written thatoffensive language.
I've never written it.
Why?
Because I try to handle thingsat the lowest level.
If I can try to talk you out ofthat, in a sense, I'm going to.

(03:10:17):
It's kind of the FirstAmendment, right?
I mean, do you want to beoffended?
Do you want to be a weak littlebitch?
No, I don't say that, I'm justkidding.
I wouldn't say that littlebitch.
No, I don't say that.
Uh, I'm just kidding.
I wouldn't say that um, orwould I uh.
But yeah, uh, yeah, the words.
I, I'm with you guys.
I just want you to understandthat I'm with you.

(03:10:38):
I think that's stupid.
I don't think you should beable to write somebody a ticket
for the words they're using,like you, as a parent, if parent
, if it's around your kids,that's the world Can't shelter
them from everything.
That's just me, frank.

(03:11:00):
You don't have any kids thatyou know about, right?
We just had that conversation.
There's a lot of littlebastards of the north running
around out there, in there.
Come on now, that's not true.
Go that shit eating grin.
Oh fuck.
Well, just a smiley guy man.

(03:11:21):
Uh-huh.
Well, we are at a little overthree hours guys.
Um, we've got all our videosdone.
I think we've brought up somegood stuff.
Uh, oh, I have the night.
He had a long response here.
I don't want to let that go towaste.
Um, I get that.
You say we don't deal withfederal code.
However, you swore an oath touse constitution in the us and

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the state constitution, so Ithink learning this stuff is
very important to theperformance of duty I don't
disagree with that.
I don't disagree with youAbsolutely what we're saying
when we say we don't deal withthat, is we or we don't know it,
whatever, because we don't dealwith it regularly.
So when you, if you expect usto know it off the top of our

(03:12:04):
head, that's just not going tohappen.
We know things like I can tellyou all the elements of a, a
burglary right now.
I can tell you all the elementsof um.
You know a homicide versus anassault versus aggravated
assault, versus like.
I know those things because Ideal with them every single week
bmvs same thing, you know whatI don't deal with is somebody

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violating Section 242 of Title18.
That doesn't fucking happen.

Speaker 4 (03:12:32):
It's not in our job, we don't deal with it.
Even if someone violated it, itwouldn't come to us, it would
go on the federal side.

Speaker 1 (03:12:40):
So it's not even anything that we deal with, and
that's where the checks andbalances come into play.
So I understand where you're atwhen you're like well the cops,
you swore to uphold theConstitution, well, we did.
But if we don't know, like Iknow freedom of speech.
However, I also know that Idon't have a choice in certain

(03:13:03):
things when it comes to who's avictim of what.
So then there comes this game.
I know, and you know now, thatthe checks and balances system
is going to work that out, thatthe courts are going to catch
that and, like you said, if thisis, I'm not a lawyer, so I
don't know.
But I'm loving the dogs behindme, frank, he's like pet me.

(03:13:26):
So for me, if the checks andbalances are going to catch it,
okay, that's great.
Um, should it have to get tothe checks and balances?
That's the other part.
So this is where I'm with eyeof the night.
Yeah, I'm with.
I mean, look at, look atmarijuana marijuana is another
great one in arizona.

Speaker 4 (03:13:43):
It's legal federally.
It's illegal.
I don't right, I don't.
I don't cite people for itfederally, even though it's
illegal federally becausethere's a state law.

Speaker 1 (03:13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:13:52):
So I mean, you could do on the other side of that and
say that there's things thatare illegal federally, that we
don't deal with on the stateside.
And what do you?
You know, what do you do?
It's there's you.
Just you can't do and knoweverything all the time.
Yeah, and we have to kind ofstay in our lane as far as what

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we you know, what we enforce andhow we enforce it.
And I enforce Arizona state lawbecause I'm not a federal law
enforcement officer.
So when I look at that and if acourt wants to say, hey, we're
going to throw that out.
That's not a frank problem.
And per Arizona state law,which I read and which you could
look up on the Google, which isexactly where I found it, you

(03:14:33):
know, you could bring that up toyour federal district saying,
okay, and then I hear myselfsaying, well, I'm upholding the
Constitution.

Speaker 1 (03:14:53):
Well, part of the Constitution is freedom of
speech, but then here I am beingwilling to write a ticket for
offensive language, which I'mnot.
It's not that I'm willing, Idon't want to, and if I can talk
to a person out of doing it,I'm going to.
However, how do I want to fightthat?
Do I want to refuse and thenget fired?

(03:15:14):
I don't know.
No, I don't.
I also swore an oath to upholdthe state laws and constitution,
just like you said.
So if the constitution of thestate and the constitution of
the the nation and then thestate laws all contradict each

(03:15:35):
other, I swore oh to all of them.
So let the courts help me out,because I'm kind of stuck in a
weird spot well, and that'stheir job, that's.

Speaker 4 (03:15:46):
It is not our job to interpret the law.
That's not.
That is not our.
The branch of government towhich the three of us are in
that is a judicial branch.
Um, so let the judicial branchmake those decisions and inform
us, and that's where case lawcomes from.
So if it's bad, then let caselaw come down and then we have
case law.
That that dictates our responseto things.

(03:16:08):
But that's not our branch ofgovernment to interpret.
Um, you know us 242 and arizonarevised statute, or you know
the texas criminal code and allthat stuff yeah, and and mr
billfold, I want to make itclear I'm not arresting.

Speaker 1 (03:16:21):
Like that's a ticket, like it's it's not a, it's not
a physical, that's an arrestableoffense in arizona.

Speaker 4 (03:16:27):
That is a misdemeanor like oh oh yeah, you could book
someone in jail for that ohokay, yeah, we're not here in
texas, you know?

Speaker 1 (03:16:34):
uh a class c violation here in texas.

Speaker 7 (03:16:38):
if we don't see it as a law enforcement officer,
we're going to write a report onit and if a detective picks
that up to investigate itfurther, they may write.
But in over 20 years I've neverseen anybody go to jail and
I've never taken personallyanybody to jail for saying a
curse word in a Safeway grocerystore any of that within my

(03:16:59):
jurisdiction.
We've gone to calls and we'vesquashed things and we've done
that, but personally I've neverdone that.
There may have been a lot ofTexas cops that have Eric, you
may have done that.

Speaker 1 (03:17:15):
But I've never taken somebody to jail for that.
I don't think I have either.
No, absolutely not.
And like I said, if I canfigure out a way to squash it,
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna use my discretion insuave mouth to try to to try to
squash that.
But um, mr billfold said, howcan you justify arresting
someone because a citizen claimsthey are offended by words?
I don't have that problem in mystate, but frank like yeah, I

(03:17:39):
and again I.

Speaker 4 (03:17:41):
How do you I think that's a, uh, you know you would
have to get some sort ofevidence conduct a full-,
thorough investigation.
If there's audio video, andthen long form it and send it to
a detective, like like Banningsaid.

Speaker 1 (03:17:56):
Yeah, just suspect as we would call it.

Speaker 4 (03:17:59):
Yep, let that detective, you know, get with
the county attorney and say, hey, this is the case I have.
You know what do you thinkabout submitting charges?
I have a, I have a willingvictim.
You know this is thecircumstances.
And let let a detective that'sgot some more time to really
invest in the case and talk with, you know, with with a
prosecutor, because I mean, it's, first of all, I don't deal

(03:18:21):
with this ever, very, veryseldom on my job, just because
of the nature of being a trafficdeputy, but it is an Arizona
law and could it come?
Yeah, absolutely.
The nature of being a trafficdeputy, um, but it is an arizona
law, and could it come?
Yeah, absolutely.
But I mean, I'm not gonna.
It would have to be somethingcrazy egregious, I mean, just so
, with so much jury appeal, um,that that offends the senses,
like you walk into akindergarten and drop in bombs

(03:18:45):
on the little kids like okay,would have to be something like
that.
That's so shocking to theconscience that I would be
remiss in not taking that personinto custody.
And absent that I mean I just Ican't see a scenario where I
walk in to a Safeway and say, ohI'm sorry, did you drop the
F-bomb?
You're going to jail.

(03:19:06):
I just can't see that happening.

Speaker 7 (03:19:11):
Yeah, man, yeah, this is a good topic, like you guys
got me thinking think about it,eric, and I'm not trying to to
knowledge base this, but in thestate of texas, yes, we can
arrest for class c within ourpresence or view.
What are the ones that we canarrest that are not and I'm not
talking about felonies I'mtalking about misdemeanors, yeah
, and family violence.

(03:19:32):
Yeah, that's one that we can.
We can take both sides of thestory and we have to corroborate
right then.
And there Does it say that youknow, because if you're taking
somebody to jail, family vicessaying they're guilty, no, but
you're, you're, you'reseparating the parties to
prevent any further or there maybe violence in the future.
So we're arresting them and Ithink I don't know Code of
Criminal Procedures 504 and 505,I believe are the ones in the

(03:19:55):
state of Texas that cover that,and we're going to remove that
person from the scenario andbring them before a magistrate
to prevent further violence.
Or maybe violence didn't occur,but we believe something was.
But it doesn't say that thatperson's guilty and that's going
to be up for the court systemto go further in the DA, et
cetera.

Speaker 1 (03:20:15):
Yeah, yeah man, Mr Billfold's on top of his game
tonight.
He said you yourself said allcitizens has to do is be a
complaining party.
Frank, you didn't say whodecides what caused the offense.

Speaker 4 (03:20:28):
Absolutely Again.
That's why I'm not takingsomeone to jail.
It would have to be somethingcrazy.

Speaker 1 (03:20:37):
Okay, I think we all have come to the agreement that
we're not taking anybody to jail.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to it's called suspect
casing.
Basically, we're going to takethe information, we're going to
put it in a report, we're goingto send it to a detective.
The detective is going to takeall that information and he's
going to say all right, let metalk to the prosecutor and see

(03:20:58):
what he wants to do with thisbefore he ever files a case or
anything like that.
And I'm going to guess I hope,because I'm with you guys I hope
the prosecutor says nope, wedon't want it, Just dismiss it.
And the prosecutor has thatability.
That's where their discretionis way different than a cop's.
They can squash a case.

Speaker 7 (03:21:19):
And they have their own investigators as well, right
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:21:24):
So constitutional country girl said okay, guys,
what about flipping off LEOs?
I've seen arrests and orunlawful ID for it.
Yeah, those cops deserve to befucking hammered on.

Speaker 4 (03:21:36):
Totally fine, you can flip me off all day long.

Speaker 1 (03:21:38):
Flip me off all day long.
Matter of fact, I'm going togive you an over-excited wave
back.
Hey, I got five of them, notoffended by it?

Speaker 4 (03:21:50):
yeah, not, not at all you can.

Speaker 1 (03:21:52):
I actually made a video just on this um, talking
about like you did in the.
In the cop is a sergeant and hepulls the car over and comes up
and he's like well, man, youknow, I pulled you over because
why were you flipping me offlike that?
And I'm like so you didn't evenhave a traffic offense that's
bad traffic stop yeah, youdidn't even have an offense.

(03:22:13):
You pulled this guy over.
Instead, you pulled him overbecause he flipped you off.
Okay, now this is where westart to get into the weeds on
things.
Do I think that cop deserves tobe fired?
No, do I think training andcould do I think we can make him
a better cop?
Yes, and that is thegeneralized version of that.
Can we do training make him abetter cop?

(03:22:34):
Yes, I think we can.
Now, that's not taking intoaccount his background, what
he's been in trouble for, likeif the guy's a shithead and he's
got a long history of a bunchof stuff, okay, yeah, that guy
deserves to be gone.

Speaker 7 (03:22:50):
I mean, that's you know and if, and if that's the
case, you know it's anunconstitutional stuff.
Yeah.
It was violated.
So, yes, we're right, alongwith the people that have
problems with that.
Was it an FTO issue?
Was nobody heard on?
It?
Could be a training deal, maybe, depending on their state laws
or in their policies andprocedures.
Maybe some time off without paybecause he should have known

(03:23:10):
better?
Absolutely.
But can we train him and fixhim?
And somebody had made somethingin the comments.
You know these chiefs andsheriffs around the country are
not held accountable.
I agree to that in a big extent.
They need to know exactlywhat's going on on the street
and they need to be more intuned with their main division
of patrol.

Speaker 1 (03:23:29):
We just got a of patrol I.
We just got a red.
We got a super sticker.
I don't know what the fuck asuper sticker is, but we got one
from credence and Mikey.
Thank you, guys, Appreciate it.
I'm learning shit.
Guys.
We got a super sticker.
That's.
That's great.
Thank you very much.
Credence uh, credence and Mikey, Thank you, Um, but yeah, the
finger like that is all day long.

Speaker 4 (03:23:52):
It's just a demonstration of ignorance, just
like cool man you shit.

Speaker 1 (03:23:57):
Sometimes maybe I got it coming.
I've cut a car off before anddidn't realize it cut them off
and the dude I'm in my patrolcar, he pulls up next to me,
flicks me off and I me off and II raised my hands up like this
and because I didn't know whatI'm being flipped off for and my
windows were down because theweather was great, and uh, he's
flipping me off and I'm like andI give him this and he's like

(03:24:18):
you cut me off.
And I was like and I did one ofthese I'm like sorry, bro, he's
like I don't think he expectedme to like apologize.
And he's like watch whereyou're going and he just takes
off and I was like okay, my badtry to be a better driver yeah,
sorry, it happens.
Yeah, but edmunds, uh, davidedmondson points, you know, he

(03:24:39):
calls it what it is and boilsdown to ego and control.
Um, absolutely, um, I, thenight.

Speaker 7 (03:24:48):
That goes into a lot of what er and I say on these,
the interviews on the verybeginning, when we're hiring
these folks, uh, coming in offthe street I use that term
loosely Um, how were they?
Do they know how to speak tosomebody?
Why aren't we, as leaders inlaw enforcement, making sure in
the academy that they can hold afreaking conversation without

(03:25:09):
getting pissed off for no reason?
If they've got a chip on theirshoulder, why the hell are we
slapping a badge on their chest?
Because when they go out andscrew up and do something wrong
and break somebody's car,they're making us all look like
shit.
So I understand why a lot ofthe public gets pissed off.
I would love to run a policeacademy to where I can say no,
you're a fucking little turdball.
Love to run a police academy towhere I can say, no, you're a

(03:25:31):
fucking little turd ball, yougot no business having a badge
on, because you can't handle Xtype call period.
You can't handle it.
Go home, go to Walmart and saywelcome to Walmart, because you
got no business being in thisfield.
And that's a soapbox forbanning.
But I see the same videos tooand I get pissed off too that
these cops are going to makeunconstitutional stops, this and
that Either train them up, ifthey haven't screwed up before,

(03:25:55):
and fix that to where it neverhappens again, with the due
punishments that need to happen,and then get it back out on the
street to see if they can be atrue peace officer to society,
but if they can't, get in, thefreak out of that position and
stop making the rest of us lookbad, so Yep.

Speaker 4 (03:26:07):
Absolutely, and I'm telling you and I, I, I talk
about stoicism all the time inthis job and and I, I say a lot
that I am a I am a practicingstoic and I am I'm a stoic in
training and, and a lot of thatis learning to have people say
things that you don't like andthen go okay, that's it, like I

(03:26:30):
say okay to a lot of people.

Speaker 7 (03:26:32):
We cannot afford to be upset on a call.
We've got to take the call thatwe just went on and we've got
to come to this new call as aneutral person.
That's what being a peaceofficer is.
Now, is there going to be someupset, emotion and stuff like
that?
Yeah, they're human beings, butas long as that officer is not
crossing that frigging line andthey're doing their job 100%, go

(03:26:53):
on to the next.
We've got to do that.
And, eric, the only thing thatyou missed while you stepped
away for a second was what youand I used to talk about.
Why isn't there more screeningin the academies of?
Can these people even speak?
Can they, during a situation,do that natural de-escalation?
Because before this stuff gotyou know, big topic on on

(03:27:14):
youtube and then the mainwhatever you want to call it
media.
Uh, these cops need to learnde-escalation.
We've been doing de-escalation,uh, since people were putting
on the badge yeah, yeah, calledverbal judo before that.

Speaker 1 (03:27:25):
Before that it was called Community Relations and
it goes as far back as SirRobert Peel.
So every once in a while I liketo show off my education.
Look at that.
Yeah, Right.
But Mr Billfold said, if aperson flips off a cop and it

(03:27:46):
offends a bystander, is thatwhen it becomes a crime?
Technically?
I think so, because they can beoffended by the gesture.
But I don't know if a gesturequalifies as offensive language
because a gesture isn't speaking.
So I would say no.
And again, I know it's not ourjob to interpret the law, but it

(03:28:07):
is our job to figure out if wehave an offense at the time and
if I'm going to determinewhether or not that's an offense
, I'm going to say no.
Only language and giving thefinger could be several
different things depending onthe language you're speaking.

Speaker 7 (03:28:20):
And then you might as well go sit with that family
every time they turn on the TV,or go sit in the theater and
write a citation to every actorout there.
Oh shit, I'm mailing you aticket.
You POS actor.
Use the word shit.
There happened to be aneight-year-old in the audience
and the parent didn't care tolook at the frigging rating on
the movie before they went in.
Anyway, sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:28:40):
Yeah, he said it wouldn't offend you as a cop to
get flipped the bird buttheoretically you would arrest
or cite a bystander who tookoffense.
See the hypocrisy in that?
It's not hypocrisy.
I can't say what offendssomebody else and I also can't
say what makes another person avictim or not.
If somebody steals your bike, Ican't sit back and go like, bro

(03:29:05):
, that was a bike that youhaven't ridden in 10 years.
That's not up to me.
So no, I don't see that ashypocrisy.
I see that, as you're kind ofstuck like Chuck, it's just the
way the rules are and if youwant to keep your job and keep
doing what you're doing, you'vegot to let the court system
figure that out.
No different than when I try totell people stop arguing on the

(03:29:28):
roadside.
It's not doing you any favorsanyway.
Argue in court, that's whatit's for.
So do I agree with the law?
No, I don't, and I'm not.
Like I told you before, I'm notgoing to arrest anybody anyway.
I'm going to suspect case that.
Send it up.
Let the courts figure it out.
Before it ever goes to court,let discretion do its job all
the way through, because there'sobviously a problem with that

(03:29:50):
law.
Listen where I'm at.
Guys, you can't spray paint achicken an unnatural color.
That's still a law.
Does that mean I'm going toenforce that?
No, I'm going to suspect, caseit if somebody complains and say
, hey, this dude spray paintedhis chickens blue.
Do you want to do somethingabout it?

(03:30:11):
So you don't believe me.
Look it up, texas.
You can't spray paint a chicken.
You can't have seven dildos inyour car either.
You can't have more than fivesex toys in your vehicle.
Ask me how I know, because Ionly had six.

Speaker 4 (03:30:26):
God bless Texas.

Speaker 7 (03:30:29):
I hated being that rookie.
Search that bag.

Speaker 1 (03:30:35):
Why is it gooey and cold?
Oh man, let me see, let's see.
Well, it's been determined thatburning the flag is a form of
expression, yep Language.

(03:31:11):
It really is weird that peoplestill get offended by getting
flipped the bird, told to fuckup.
I agree, I'm with you, Idefinitely agree with you and,
like I said, we're talking inhypotheticals.
Now, I've been a cop in Texas13 years and I was a cop in
Michigan before that.
Like I didn't in all that timenever done anything with
offensive language.
Have people complained about it?
Yes, but I haven't doneanything about it.
So, um, let me see here Uh,country girl, said when dealing
with argumentative people, mydad used to respond with you may
be right.
In Texas they like to say uh,bless your heart.

(03:31:32):
Yes, yes, they do.
Sorry, I'm trying to getthrough the comments here.

Speaker 4 (03:31:38):
Guys, it's interesting because you talk
about burning the flag and inArizona there is a statute under
Arizona criminal law abuse of avenerated object.
Abuse of a venerated objectthat is casting contempt upon,
mutilating, defacing, defiling,burning, trampling or otherwise
dishonoring or causing to bringdishonor upon a flag, and that

(03:32:00):
is currently in Arizona lawagain.
I'm not going to take them tojail, and if someone wants that
to be done, we long form it,send it up to detectives and let
them make the decision.
But at least we are taking lawenforcement action upon that
crime that is being committed.
Get prosecuted in the countryDoesn't mean that it's not a

(03:32:30):
crime.
It just means that, forwhatever reason, whether it's
our, our attorneys use stufflike no jury appeal or you know
stuff like that.
Just sometimes they justdismiss cases.
So it's, it's it's penal code42.

Speaker 7 (03:32:44):
Dash 10 or 11 here in the state of Texas for the
American flag, that's.
It's on our books as well.

Speaker 4 (03:32:53):
Yeah, it's in there.
It doesn't mean it just meansthat we have to take some sort
of action.
Doesn't mean we need to booksomeone in jail, you know,
temporarily, taking away theirconstitutional right to freedom.
It just means that we're gonnatake that information, send it
down, range and let happen whatit will yeah, um yeah, mr bill,
he's trying to bring upqualified.

Speaker 1 (03:33:10):
I mean, nope, I'm not getting into it.

Speaker 4 (03:33:12):
Appreciate it um and I mean they're not qualified.
I mean it's, it's on the lawbooks, so you arrest someone for
it.
Disqualified immunity cover.
You bring that up on your onwhen, when the topic comes up,
yeah when the topic comes up,yeah, yeah, when the topic comes
up.

Speaker 1 (03:33:28):
Yeah, many laws are outdated, agreed.
And again, here's the otherthing.
You guys need to figure outwhat your expectation of police
are.
If your expectation of a cop isto have the knowledge of the
law like a lawyer without goingto law school, your expectations
are unrealistic andunreasonable.

(03:33:49):
We don't get that type oftraining.
All we really get is theelements of offense.
That's really how we go throughmost of it.
We go through what I like tocall the reader's digest version
of law.

Speaker 7 (03:34:04):
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 1 (03:34:06):
That is how we operate.
We just go off this Reader'sDigest version of the law and,
unless you want to pay your copsto have a law degree, when you
think about it, you want them tobe a lawyer on top of being a
cop.
So now you got them doing twoprofessions, because it
absolutely takes a lot oftraining to be a cop in general

(03:34:30):
and be good at it.
Most people and I I haven'tsaid it, but you guys know I, I
will tell you.
I'm trying to figure out a wayto do this without I'm going to
type it here in the chat.
Okay, um, no, that doesn't workeither.
Shit.
Anyway, frank, how long does ittake to not be a rookie anymore

(03:34:53):
in the streets?
What's the?
What's the typical range?

Speaker 4 (03:34:58):
three years yeah, yeah, I guess it probably
depends on how much, how busyyou are a lot of us like in
phoenix you know a year and ahalf, two years and more.
Rural communities three or four.

Speaker 1 (03:35:10):
Yeah.
So like where I'm at we saythree to five, like that's what
we push.
Just depends on what side oftown you're on, because we have
some sides of towns that justnonstop slammed and we got other
sides of town that's just notdoing a whole lot.
But that to me, that rookiestatus, just being a cop, that

(03:35:33):
zero to five-year mark, let'ssay that's just learning to be a
cop.

Speaker 7 (03:35:38):
We haven't even gotten it Now imagine what it
takes to be a lawyer and I'mgoing to call it even at larger
agencies.
I'm going to call it five toseven years.
And here's the reason you'reworking night shift, primarily
at most of these larger agenciesfor a good chunk of the
beginning of your career andthen you get switched to day
shift because maybe you finallyhave some what you want to call

(03:36:01):
it veteran status to where youcan chip up on the board.
I want to go to day shift,spend some time with my family,
and then you have a wholedifferent slew of calls that you
may have not even dealt with anight shift.
So it takes that.
To me it's about a five toseven years to be what I would
call a well-rounded patrolmanfor the most part, where you can
truly answer those questionswithout making a phone call on

(03:36:23):
the scene and to not violateanybody's rights.
And that's that's again.
That's just Banning's opinion.

Speaker 1 (03:36:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Country Girl said absolutelyagree, eric, but the LEOs need
to be open-minded and willing tolisten and educate themselves
when presented.
100% agree.
I mean, look what we've beendoing tonight.
You guys were talking aboutoffensive language and the First
Amendment and you guys wereshowing me I've never heard of
the 18 by 242, whatever that was, and never heard of the 18 by

(03:36:51):
242, whatever that was.
And as I'm reading it, I'm likefuck, that makes sense, like I
haven't heard of that.
But then again, I haven't alsoever arrested somebody for
offensive language.
So, um, let me see, I saw andypiped up.
Um, andy sticks out because hehas a green circle on his name
for some reason for me, um, so Isee it really easy and I said

(03:37:11):
they can't get out of their egos.
Um, and many are sociopaths Ithink we're talking about.
I think he's talking aboutpolice.
Um, you watch their eye socketas they go, monic, as they go,
manic, like shark eyes.
Um, I think he's talking aboutcops.

Speaker 4 (03:37:29):
Um, I don't think you're where the lady couple I'm
wearing uh eye of the nighttrying to figure out what video
this one is, that what lady coppulls over?
Personally, a lady who had abike rack is bs.

Speaker 1 (03:37:44):
I have no idea yeah, send that link into, uh, either
our email two1donut at yahoocomall spelled out or direct
message us on one of our socialmedias.
I'd love to do some sort ofreaction video to that.
Check it out.
He said you guys do On thestreet is different.

(03:38:07):
He said that you have neverheard of is part of the issue.
Well, I mean guys, this is alarge nation.

Speaker 7 (03:38:23):
And Andy tell us I mean, we want to know.
I mean, let us know exactlywhat you're talking about.
We're not those guys who arelike, oh, you're on ball.
This is a learning experiencefor both sides, and that's.

Speaker 1 (03:38:35):
That's why this is.
That's the bridge.
Yep, if you guys are able toshow I mean I like to think of
it if I help one person, I'mdoing what I'm saying that that
will spread.
It may be a slow ripple effectacross the water, but it's done
what it's supposed to do andit's the same for y'all.
If you guys teach me or frank,or banning tonight one thing,

(03:38:57):
that will spread.
I'm a supervisor.
I've got 12 to 15 people underme.
Think of the effect I can makeby the one thing you taught me.
And I go to roll call the nextday and I'm like, hey, I can
learn this.
The other day I didn't thinkabout this.
Here's a perspective to rollcall the next day and I'm like,
hey, I can learn this.
The other day I didn't thinkabout this.
Here's a perspective toconsider when the next time
you're dealing with somebody,bam.

Speaker 4 (03:39:14):
We round table stuff all the time.
I mean, in my unit I thinkthere's five or six of us that
are just in the enforcement.
We get a topic like that USC,that code versus Arizona state
law, and I mean we know thatthat code versus Arizona state
law, and I mean we we roundtable that and grab the
supervisors and sit down andwe'll talk about it over lunch.
We do stuff like that literallyall the time because it makes

(03:39:38):
us better, just likeconversations like this.
So it's I mean it's the only way.
I mean not we.
I mean we don't know everything, man, I'm, I mean I'm, I'm
humble enough to say there's a,there was a metric ton of stuff
I don't know, and the older Iget, the more stuff I realize I
don't know.
So I mean it's just, you knowwhat I mean I like to try to be

(03:40:04):
a student of this.

Speaker 1 (03:40:05):
You know of this occupation, yeah, and like Andy,
I, like you, have examples, Iget it.
And just because we don't knowthem off the top of our head, it
doesn't mean we disagree, itdoesn't mean we agree.
And us not knowing doesn't makeus less of it, doesn't mean
that it's something we shouldhave known.
It just means there's a lot ofinformation out there.

(03:40:28):
There's 350 million calls forservice a year approximately.
So there's a shit ton of callsyou know.
And for us to know every singlebad one that happens, even if
it was 1% of 350 million, whatdoes that equal?
350,000?
I can't math, I don't know.
It's probably really bad, butwhatever it is, that's a lot of

(03:40:53):
calls to understand that arethat are bad.
And he said I'm not mad, bro.
Okay, appreciate it.
Um, you guys look like you'relooking awfully intently at it.
Is there a comment I need tohighlight?

Speaker 4 (03:41:05):
I'm just trying to read them.

Speaker 1 (03:41:10):
Okay, I saw you guys both hyper-focused.
I was like shit, read them.
I saw you guys both hyper focus.
I was like shit, did I miss one?

Speaker 4 (03:41:13):
they're coming in.

Speaker 1 (03:41:13):
I'm trying to read them yeah, so I appreciate the
help with the comments guys.
He says I'm not mad, bro, Iknow you're not mad, I know, I
know.
I know.
I'm sorry if I made it seemthat way.
That wasn't what I was tryingto do.
So well, I was trying to do so?
um well, I was trying to get offhere at three hours, but now

(03:41:34):
we're almost at four.
You know, as long as peoplekeep interacting and asking
questions and stuff, like man,I'll, I'll keep.
I'll just keep trying to go.
David Edmondson said Alice,I've said it before, I'll say it
again Good to remain humble andteachable throughout your life.
Yeah, if you're a glass ifyou're a glass that's full man,

(03:41:55):
you ain't got a lot of roomyou're a cop that thinks you
know everything.

Speaker 7 (03:41:59):
You're all wrong.
Holy shit.
You know, I'm already retiredand I'm still learning stuff new
and I'm like I'm thinking aboutcalls years and years ago and
then I try to educate the onesthat are still on the street now
.
Period.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:42:13):
Absolutely Yep.
When is Banning going to runfor political office From Fred
Richardson?

Speaker 7 (03:42:24):
Red I did.
I ran for sheriff.
Bottom line was I wasn't likedas much as the other two
candidates and and there was alot of silver lining there and,
to be honest, I'm I'm glad Ididn't get it, and there's
silver lining in everything thatwe do in life.
Now I'm now I have more timewith my family and I get to
spend more time with my daughterand things are amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:42:44):
Way more time for two cups one donut.
You bet time for two cops onedonut.
You bet yeah.
Um, for those listening, I Iwant to know, or those watching
did any of you guys see thecollaboration video we put out
today?
That was a first.
Um, I'm just curious if youguys saw that.
Did you like that?

(03:43:04):
Um, I'm gonna actually play itwhile I'm thinking about it.
Uh, I'll do the the YouTube one.
I guess that would be theeasiest.
Let me uh, go home here.
We put out a video and we'rewe're trying to like kind of
highlight the fact that we'vegot several people now on the on

(03:43:25):
the platform that have a lot ofgood things to say.
And, um, I'm trying to find thevideo while talking, which is
not always easy for me.
Shorts, I think it was a shortright.
What the hell did we?
Oh yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:43:43):
I got, it, I got it.

Speaker 1 (03:43:44):
Sorry, click the screen.
Oh, come on now, bear with me,guys Trying to do, do, do, do.
Think that's right.

(03:44:05):
Share the screen, here we go.
So it looks like the officerwrote this guy a ticket because
the poles in his car.
Wow, can you?

Speaker 3 (03:44:15):
hear that, banny, the screen, here we go.
Can you hear that, benny?
Yeah, okay, got it.

Speaker 2 (03:44:29):
Say that again.
I want to get it on video again.

Speaker 6 (03:44:30):
I'm going to throw it out.

Speaker 1 (03:44:31):
It's less than five minutes In all seriousness why
are we riding this in the firstplace?
I can understand if he's got anextension ladder hanging out of
a Ford Escort and it darn neardecapitates someone, maybe, then
, but for this that's a cheesyway to ride a ticket, unless it
was actually hitting someone'svehicle or it causes a
significant inconvenience forother cars and somebody called
it in.

Speaker 7 (03:44:49):
Even then, I'm probably just going to go with a
verbal warning personally, I'mnot going to stop somebody for
that, unless it's egregiouslyover, or definitely over, four
feet, if you're gonna write aticket for something like this,
don't eyeball it, because ifyou're gonna be petty, you
better not be wrong.

Speaker 6 (03:45:01):
A great majority of the public does not believe that
this is effective police workis making anyone safer or serves
any real purpose.

Speaker 1 (03:45:07):
Officers, officers, get your proof.
If you're going to write aticket, you better have proof to
back it up.
If I believe that object that'sout of the truck is long enough
, I'm going to go measure itfirst.

Speaker 7 (03:45:15):
I truly hope that that trooper had other probable
cause other than the objectsticking out of the back of the
truck.

Speaker 3 (03:45:20):
After the ticket was written, the driver asked the
officer to measure, discoveredthat the driver was actually in
compliance with the law, withthe law, and he tore up the
ticket To write the person aticket before he verified that.

Speaker 7 (03:45:29):
Totally on that trooper.
I'm glad he owned it, I'm gladhe was dismissing the ticket,
but he could have saved a lot oftime.

Speaker 1 (03:45:33):
Well, I will say this At least he showed some moral
scruples and retracted thatticket.
So I won't talk about thathorrible mustache.
But what I really like is theofficer not only admitted that
he was wrong and he owned it.

Speaker 3 (03:45:49):
When the officer realized that he was wrong, he
tore up the ticket which is theright thing to do If you're a
driver in a situation like thisand you honestly believe that
the officer is factuallyincorrect, there's nothing wrong
with asking the officer todouble check.
Let's stop being petty, VannaHaley.
It must be better.

Speaker 1 (03:46:04):
We can agree and disagree on whether or not that
these are the types of trafficstops the cops should be making.
There's a lot of citizens thatsay yes.
To me personally, I'm a no onthose.
I like to be optimistic.
What I really like to focus onin this one is this cop owning
his mistake and humbling himselfin front of the camera to even
say that he screwed up when hetore up the ticket.
Kudos to that officer for notdoubling down when he knew he
screwed up.
This one was kind of deep andthere's a lot that curious.

(03:46:25):
What y'all think.
All right, I like it.
Um, that was the mashup.
So I liked getting all of thepeople that we've got going on
involved with the two cops whendoing it and, uh, giving you, we
did not get together and talkto each other about how we were
going to respond to this video.

(03:46:45):
This was what we all came upwith on our own and then me
trying to do my editing.
I just made it look flowy andtogether.

Speaker 7 (03:46:57):
So and within this group chat, eric died me out and
said hey, you little son of abitch, you haven't done one yet,
so I love that about him.
He's like hey, dude, take out30 seconds of your day and react
to this frigging video, and hehad every right to say that.
So, brother, I appreciate,doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (03:47:13):
It's what you guys like, so I'm hoping you guys
want to see more stuff like that.
If you do, we'll keep doingthem.
If not, then we'll doindividual stuff.

(03:47:35):
Maybe that was too long it wastwo minutes and 12 seconds so it
was a lot.
But even in the video in itselfyou know to the point like if
to me that was more of ateaching moment versus a
ticketable moment it literallycame out of that truck like

(03:47:56):
three feet.
It was the handle of a poolskimmer.

Speaker 7 (03:48:00):
I was going to say there's some pool that's buried.

Speaker 1 (03:48:02):
Yeah, it was pool skimmers Delayed stop, Like you
would have to have been ridinghis ass so fucking hard to even
touch that thing.
Just my opinion.
Now, Frank looks like he'sstewing.
No, that would have been 18tickets right there.

Speaker 4 (03:48:17):
No, but it's a great reason to stop someone and go up
to their window and talk tothem.
Yes, that's it.
There's not a single chance Iwould ever and I love writing
tickets there's not a singlechance I would write a ticket
for that, even if it was inviolation.
What a great teaching moment tojust say hey, man, so this is
what Arizona law says.

(03:48:38):
Arizona law says if it's morethan this far, it's got to have
a flag on it.
Flag's got to be bright orangein color.
You know?
Hey, I grabbed my tape measure.
Hey, this is what it is.
It's your 10 inches too long.
You ain't never heard that no,no, you know.
Yeah, whatever man You're, youknow it needs to be it's, it's.
It needs to be less than threefeet.

(03:48:59):
This is five feet, you know?
Pick up an orange flag.
Have a great day.
Like that's it, I guess, butpart of the.
So there's the three E's of inthe traffic unit, which is
enforcement, education andengineering.
So those are the three E's.
We really can't do very muchwith engineering except make

(03:49:19):
recommendations, but we doenforcement and education is and
part of being a good lawenforcement officer.
And if people don't like that,I don't know what to tell you.

(03:49:43):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:49:44):
Right, I want to address two real quick
Constitutional Girl said likeminds birds of a feather.
That is why it took me so long.
I've been doing this four years.
That's why it took me so longto finally in this last year to
get the people I have under me.
Banning was my first, and thenI got Matt and I got Daniel and

(03:50:06):
now I got Trey.
So I've got people of likeminds.
It's just taken me a while.
So, yes, it's funny how thatkind of works out.

Speaker 4 (03:50:11):
And then to Mr Billfold oh, I was going to pick
this one.

Speaker 1 (03:50:15):
What's that yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:50:16):
I was hoping I read this one yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:50:17):
Not citing him as a risk to your career, because the
law is the law.
No, that is not correct.
That is a civil violation.
The state is the victim.
In this case.
I have absolute discretion on astate being a victim because I
am technically the state.
I can't be a victim.
So the difference being is thestate's the victim versus you,
the person, the citizen.
I have zero right to tell you,as a citizen, you can't be a

(03:50:42):
victim.
So that is the difference inthat.
But I like that you're tryingto call me out.

Speaker 4 (03:50:49):
I saw that.
That's why I wanted to commenton it.
I saw it and I was like, uh, Ithink that was misinterpreted.
The difference between the twois when there is a civilian
victim that says I want to be avictim, I am, I, this is, I am a
victim of.
This is totally different thana traffic infraction.
For a civil violation, that'snot criminal.
There's no mandatory anything,and it is where discretion lives

(03:51:11):
is in traffic enforcementwhether you have that discretion
whether to write a citation ornot on stuff like this, and it's
the perfect example.

Speaker 1 (03:51:20):
Yeah, simon says cops don't want to teach.
They just want to make someexcuse to put an innocent person
in the forever box.
Not my experience.
I can tell you this.
If I can avoid doing work,that's the ultimate police goal.
I don't want to have to do work, I want to have fun and talk to

(03:51:41):
people and educate and do allthe opposite things of
enforcement.
Now, the difference being isI'm more than willing to put a
person in jail that deserves togo there and is violating you
and your personal rights.
I am trying to be theanti-bully and I look at people

(03:52:04):
committing violent crimes andstuff like that as bullies,
crimes and stuff like that asbullies, and I don't expect
everybody to have the ability oreverybody to have the mindset
or the want to go do what I do.
I'm willing to step up and dothat for you because I know I
can and I'm willing to.

(03:52:24):
So that is the difference to me.
What do you got on that, vannythe?

Speaker 7 (03:52:30):
same thing.
I mean, it takes a specialperson to be a good officer Let
me put that in quotes A goodofficer out there to truly serve
the citizens that are withinour city and the ones that
travel through our city everyday.
We run into so many things.
I know I have in 20 plus yearsI've run into so many things.
Can we solve everything?

(03:52:51):
No, but we can do our damnedestto try to help every victim out
there.

Speaker 1 (03:52:57):
Right, where did that comment go?
Mr Belfold said there has to bea law broken to make a victim.

Speaker 4 (03:53:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:53:07):
Yeah, I'm confused by what you're saying.
Could you clarify?

Speaker 7 (03:53:10):
I believe he's talking about the First
Amendment stuff and clarifyingif I'm wrong, because that's a
pretty heavy subject.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (03:53:20):
Yeah, yeah, mr Belfort's going to destroy us.
I swear he's on top of his gametonight, like I bet he's.
Just I bet he's asking thesequestions simultaneously setting
personal records on some sortof video game.
At the same time he just bought18 bitcoins because he's he's,

(03:53:42):
he's on fire.
So, um, I the knight, said Ihave a couple fun cop stories.
I'll email you later.
I would love to hear them comeup at some point.
Okay, absolutely, I think youfolks bring up here would have
an honest take on them for sure.
Absolutely we'd love to havesome reactions to that.
Um, a person does not have aright to invent victim status

(03:54:04):
when offensive speech is asubject thing.
The cop is our arbiter of theoffice.
I I think, okay, mrold, I thinkwe are getting into the weeds
because I think we have allcollectively agreed that we're
with you.
I don't disagree with you andthat's why I'm telling you like
the best course of action I cando one for the safety of my

(03:54:25):
career and being able to keepdoing what I'm doing and putting
up the good fight as a cop isto just suspect case Cause I
have the discretion to do that,not make an arrest and let the
courts weed that out and say,okay, this is a freedom of
speech issue.
Da, da, da, da, da so.

Speaker 7 (03:54:43):
And he just said uh, I'm saying absence of a crime,
there's no victim, and then novictim.
Um, so if there is no victim,there's no reason for us to be
there, right, I mean?
Correct me if I'm wrong Ifthere is no victim, there is no
reason to be there.
And I think he is going back tothat First Amendment and we
will clarify some more answerson that, because that is a state

(03:55:04):
by case or state by state basis.
But I understand what you'resaying federally as well.

Speaker 1 (03:55:09):
Yeah, andy, or state by state basis, but I understand
what you're saying federally aswell.
Yeah, andy Fletcher said wejust want you to do it right, so
do we.
That's my.
You want to know what I'm?
I'm not scared of much.
I'm not a fan of spiders.
I am absolutely terrified oftornadoes and I absolutely a
hundred percent petrified that Iam not going to do my job Right
.
A hundred percent I am.

(03:55:31):
That is one of my biggest fearsas a cop is fucking up.

Speaker 7 (03:55:34):
And then Andy just said what if they want ID,
though and we've covered it, and, andy, you may not have heard
us cover this we're not going toID somebody unless it's an
investigation of a crime andthere is a victim.
That's the only time we'regoing to ask for ID.
And yes, we've seen the videosthat you may be referring to,
and those videos are wrong.

(03:55:54):
So, no, we're not going to IDsomebody unless there's a
necessary law abiding reason todo so.
Yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (03:56:03):
How do you send it up ?

Speaker 1 (03:56:04):
Oh, I get what he's saying.
He's saying if you didn't askfor the ID, there's a difference
, because we do technically havea crime according to state law,
state law being offensivelanguage.
If the offensive language isthe state law, then we've got a
right to ask for ID and do allthat, and so we're going to ask
for their ID.
Now, if they start to refuse,now we start to get in some

(03:56:25):
weird waters.
That's like I said.
I haven't faced it so I can'ttell you what would happen.
I can tell you what I think Iwould do.
I can tell you I would think Icould talk that person into
giving me their ID so I can tellthem how the court process is
going to do and try to go thatroute.

(03:56:47):
Did you notice that thebackground noise just cleared up
a little bit?
That's because banning mutedhis shitty mic.
But um, I I think we're goingto get into a circular argument,
not even an argument, just acircular um clarification on
that.
Um ward said was the passengera witness to driver speeding and

(03:57:11):
so they have to identify as awitness?

Speaker 4 (03:57:14):
you don't have to identify witnesses.
You only have to identifywitnesses if they want to be
identified.
So you could say, hey, can Isee your id?
That person says no.
You say, perfect, have a greatday.
That's it.
Not that I would ever ask apassenger in a speeding vehicle
for their id.
Ever, um, because that's justthere's no reason.

(03:57:34):
Ever, never, ever.
It's just that's like a totally, it's not even a topic of
conversation because it justnever happens.
Yeah, um, but the answer is no,you couldn't.
In the state of arizona, youcouldn't force that person to
provide ID.

Speaker 1 (03:57:48):
Right, I'm looking up real quick what is offensive
language in Texas, Because thatwould be my first go-to, Because
I don't even know what would beconsidered offensive language.
So it has to be abusive,indecent, profane or vulgar
language.
This includes cursing, cusswords and racial slurs.

(03:58:11):
So getting called fat, in myopinion, wouldn't qualify under
that.
So that would be.
If I'm going to startinvestigating, let's just say we
go off of your example.
This would be the first thing Iwould do.
Was that offensive, Does thatqualify under Texas law as being

(03:58:33):
offensive language?
And then it says while FirstAmendment protects freedom of
speech, there are limitationsthat can lead to disorderly
conduct charges.
Context is important in thesecases.
For example, simple profanityis usually protected by free
speech, but stringing togetherfighting words and aggressive
phrases can be considereddisorderly conduct.

Speaker 4 (03:58:55):
There's always a case-by-case basis, I mean
there's no blanket.
I mean like in Arizona, there'svery few things that we
absolutely have to take someoneto jail for.
And I think it sounds like thesame thing in Texas domestic
violence stuff that is amandatory.
If we can establish a crime,someone's going to jail for.

(03:59:16):
I think it sounds like the samething in texas domestic
violence stuff that is amandatory if there is.
If we can establish a crime,someone's going to jail.
That's that is in arizona law,because that's the way the law
is written.
But except for that man,there's not really not really a
whole lot that we wouldn't justsend without having.
And somewhere in there, mr bill, like you know, let me find how
much money and freedom do Ilose out laying the courts?
Nothing, cause we just longform it.

(03:59:37):
We just send it to the like Isaid, send it to a detective.
Detective sends it to you know,or talks to a prosecutor or
sends it to a prosecutor.
There's nothing, there's noteven there's there.
There's, you don't get anythingyou just.

Speaker 1 (03:59:51):
You'll get a call later and say, hey, your case
was dismissed.
Yep, nothing's happening youdon't even have to go to court
um tim said people need tounderstand one thing about this
podcast there are food cops.
These guys are the ones thatwere are fighting to get more of
them out there and get rid ofthe tyrants.

Speaker 4 (04:00:08):
So and then he said good cops, sorry, typo.
That's the next message Okay, Iwas like food cop.
I'm like I'm also a food cop, Iam definitely a food cop.

Speaker 1 (04:00:16):
Yeah, that's why I named this thing.
Oh, I'm definitely.
Yeah, we know.
I believe that I know you haveno neck.

Speaker 4 (04:00:33):
I get it 317 pounds of good person.

Speaker 1 (04:00:34):
Okay, it is buddy, I agree.
What's you to love?
Yeah, in texas.
I think folks here getpassionate about abuse of power
we see in this age ofinformation.
Agreed, I'm with you, agreed.

(04:01:05):
And that's the tough part aboutdoing what we do on here is
we've opened the door, fullyadmit that.
We've opened the door to haveall these tough questions and
the hard part is we don't haveall the answers what's you know?

Speaker 4 (04:01:20):
cuss words are protected speech.
The Supreme Court has ruled so.
Yeah, but cuss words are onething, you know.
Fighting language is adifferent.
So, and again, it's you knowwhen.

(04:01:41):
Who decides that?
The courts decide it.
That's their job.
So, yeah, you write that up andyou send it down range and you
let the courts and lawyersdecide, because that's actually
their job.

Speaker 1 (04:01:54):
Yep.
So I and, like I said, I'mgoing to say it for the fifth
time tonight I'm not arrestingyou.
I burped as I was trying totalk.
Um, I'm not arresting you, I'mgoing to suspect case, I'm going
to send it out, I'm going tolet the courts squash it if they
feel it needs to be squashedand then if they decide that it

(04:02:17):
needs to go forward.
Well, that's not on me.
I just I did the victim theirdue diligence by sending the
information up and letting thosepeople discuss it.
So I saw a long one, so I'mjust going to pop it.
Does the Academy teach tyrantsto scream, stop resisting and
make up bullshit reasons to pullsomeone over?

(04:02:37):
Or is that just what tyrants do?
Because they have a badge gun,qualified immunity and get away
with it?

Speaker 4 (04:02:45):
Well, that is a tyrant.

Speaker 1 (04:02:47):
I um yeah, it's a very vague and lazy um argument
that's generalized yes, that isa lawful order.

Speaker 4 (04:02:56):
So are we taught that ?
Yes, we are.
We are taught to say stopresisting when someone is
resisting a lawful arrest.
So yes, we are taught that yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:03:05):
So, simon, you, it's not that I I'm gonna avoid or
not answer or even put yourquestions up there because I'm
going to keep doing it.
But if you listen and watch therest of this audience, they're
definitely asking very goodquestions.
They have very goodconversations amongst each other
.
But when you just don'tentertain lazy, generalized

(04:03:30):
points of view, like you didn'taddress anything really specific
other than stop resisting andyou're not showing any cases
that you're specifically talkingabout.
We just had the discussion thatpolice work is a very case by
case basis.
You can't use a blanketstatement for every law

(04:03:51):
enforcement action becausethey're all different.
It could be 15 robbery casesyou show me.
Each robbery case is going tobe unique.
Even if it was 15 robberies onthe same 7-Eleven, they're all
going to be unique.
There's all going to bedifferent factors for each one.
So I appreciate you trying, butyou got to come correct here.

(04:04:11):
We're not going to justentertain trolling.
If you want to troll, I mean,go ahead.
We're just going to notacknowledge it.
Eric, I hope you do not have toarrest someone tomorrow for
language, because that would becrazy after tonight.
Listen, it's not going tohappen, guys.
I promise you that I'm notgoing to happen, guys.
I promise you that I'm notgoing to arrest somebody for

(04:04:33):
language.
Especially where I specificallywork, it is an entertainment
district full of drunks.
I hear offensive language allnight long.

Speaker 7 (04:04:46):
So reading through the comments here and
Constitutional County Girl hasasked this several times.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Did I miss it.
Well, no, I mean she's justasking if we're going to be
streaming live on Christmas Eveor playing Santa with our kids,
type of thing.
Are we actually going to comelive on Christmas Eve, type
thing.

Speaker 1 (04:05:06):
Yeah, we'll see it just depends on what my wife
lets me get away with.
So yeah, let me see what thewife lets me do.

Speaker 7 (04:05:15):
We have higher powers within our household as well.

Speaker 1 (04:05:17):
Yeah, um, I have the night said tyrants are evident
by their actions and not before.
Honestly, now, when they screamstop resisting before they've
ever come into contact withsomebody, then it's obviously
wrong.
Yeah, like that's egregious.
If you're yelling, stopresisting, you haven't even
touched the dude yet.

(04:05:38):
And I brought this point up theother day with a friend at work
and I said part of one of theseparations between the public
and police.
Police's definition of fightingis based on what resistance is,
and this is what I mean.

(04:05:59):
To a cop, fighting is anythingother than compliance physically
.
That is fighting.
Physically.
That is fighting If when I grabyour hand and I'm like, all
right, you're under arrest andI'm starting to put your hands
behind your back and you pullaway.
That is fighting.
That is a type of resistance.
That's active resistance.
That is you physically usingyour muscles to pull away, even

(04:06:21):
though you're not physicallyturn around and squared up with
your dukes up and punching at meand attacking me.
Where the public looks atfighting is you're attacking
somebody.
Now I'm generalizing, but thatis where that discord starts to.
That's where the separationhappens.
That guy wasn't fighting you,he was running.
That is a type of resistance.

(04:06:44):
He's actively.
I have to chase him now that isan act of resistance.
That's him fleeing from me andthat's a type of fighting.
The way we look at it.
It's not that we're wrong, it'snot that you're wrong, it's
just the way we look at fightingis different.
So, if we can switch thatlanguage to just resistance,

(04:07:07):
there's passive resistance, likeyou're under arrest, no, I'm
not going, but yet they'reputting their hands behind their
back and doing everything youtell them to do.
It's kind of a passiveresistance.
Or just laying.
That's another one.
Like a four-year-old Protesterslike to do that one.
They just go limp.
It's a type of passiveresistance.
They're not using any physicalresistance, it's just up their

(04:07:29):
body weight.
So that's your passiveresistance.
But then you get into theactive resistance and that's
them physically fighting againstyou.
Andy Fletcher, words matterDepends on what we're talking
about.
Sometimes all that matters isactions.
So your physical reaction tothings is all that matters.

(04:07:50):
A lot of times you guys haveheard me say this, some of you
on body cam, use of force,things.
I only watch use of forcevideos for the first time, muted
, because I don't care what'sbeing said, care what's being
done.
I want to see the actions ofthe cop and the actions of the
suspect.
So I'm going to the commentshere.

(04:08:13):
I haven't seen her speak.
Um, angel, am I saying thatright?
Angel marie?
I believe what he's getting atis many bad cops do exactly that
, although I know many in le whoare respectable people, there
is plenty who gladly attack youfor saying filming in public.
Then the screams stop resisting.
I've seen those videos.

(04:08:36):
I don't want to say that manyum do that, but I have seen that
.
Where they try to tell you tostop filming, you pull away and
you got your camera out andyou're still filming and cop
goes hands on.

Speaker 7 (04:08:48):
Yep, and to Mr Bill Fulton he's saying you know,
Frank Eric Banning, thank youfor giving us this platform.
Absolutely, this is not justour platform.
This, this is our meaning.
Everybody that's involved inthis chat, this is, this is our
platform, and thank God this dayand age that we can do this.
So we appreciate y'all being apart of this.

Speaker 1 (04:09:07):
Yeah, it's very.
It's a very new interestingcomp, not compliment.
It's a very new interestingconcept.
That's the word I was trying tothink of.
It's an interesting conceptthat I don't think has really
been explored and I'm glad we'redoing it and we get guys like
Frank.
We get guys from all across thenation that just do policing

(04:09:28):
different Frank.
We don't enforce the same.
I know that he's written moretickets in a day than I've
written probably in the last 10years.
Again, I like to do real policework and he likes to do that
stuff.
So there's that.

Speaker 7 (04:09:50):
Eric just said that there's a forest struggling to
come back because of all thetickets right, not only is frank
, a tyrant and a revenuegenerator for his state and city
and county.

Speaker 1 (04:10:04):
He also is part of the deforestation of this nation
.

Speaker 4 (04:10:09):
I'm a conservationist by education.

Speaker 1 (04:10:13):
He's got his conservation degree.
He's a fucking hypocrite.
That's it, guys.
We've been going four hours andten minutes.
I appreciate y'all, I lovey'all.
It's past 12, which is finebecause I work midnights anyway,
so I'm used to staying up, butwe still have to debrief with
these two knuckleheads afterthis and talk about how great we

(04:10:34):
are.
And yeah, right here, listeneverybody before we go.
Oh, look at that buddy.

Speaker 4 (04:10:44):
Look at that buddy.
He's big, he's 112 pounds.
So of all love that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:10:51):
Before we go.
Before we go and I know I'vesaid this before, but this is it
I want to share one last thing,just so anybody that comes on
our show knows Go check outFridays with Frank at his
webpage at Fridayswithfrankcom.
That's his webpage.
At Fridays with Frankcom.
That's his webpage.
Guys.
You guys can go in and you canget yourself some mountain of

(04:11:14):
right coins and patches andshirts.
And look, he even modeledeverything for you, so you
should have at least got a cutegirl to do that.
Yeah, you know what you shoulddo to be very inclusive, you
should model your female shirtsas well.

Speaker 4 (04:11:33):
You know what you should do to be very inclusive.
Are you in that you shouldmodel your?

Speaker 1 (04:11:35):
female shirts as well .
No one wants to see thatplunging neckline on me.
Oh, I bet everybody wants tosee it.

Speaker 7 (04:11:38):
now that I've mentioned, it Is that the tank,
Frank.

Speaker 1 (04:11:41):
Yeah, marine blood Stream till New Year Everything
is so extreme with him.
Newcomb stream till New Year'sFucking guy oh my God, oh shit.
Year everything is so extremewith him.
Nukem stream till new year'sfucking guy oh my god, oh shit.
I have.
I have the night.
Said thanks, jen, so he saysI'm at work right now.
Appreciate you, thank you forlistening or watching.

Speaker 7 (04:11:59):
yeah, and so everybody knows we we try to do
this on mondays.
This is a tuesday, I understandthat.
So I understand the christmaseve.
Uh question, if we're going todo it on christmas eve, we're
probably going to shoot for nextMonday, because the rest of the
team really tries to shoot forthat.
But if we can't and our betterhalves allow us to come on on
Christmas Eve, we may do that.

(04:12:20):
So we want to come on here, butwe've got to take care of our
families too.

Speaker 1 (04:12:25):
Yep, yep, absolutely, and make sure, if you guys want
to help support us and you'reinterested, we have two things
for sale on ghostpatchcom, whichis one of our official sponsors
.
It is ghostpatchcom, and wehave a metal badge for sale,
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(04:12:45):
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So we got those two things rightnow when I come to see you, I'm
gonna need to pick one of thoseup oh, you got one sitting
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You go, be a part of the crew.
Um, yeah, this is pretty,they're pretty cool.

(04:13:07):
I like them.
Um, you guys can literally hearthere it is I can't wait to.
I can't wait I haven't graduatedto that level yeah, yeah,
banning hasn't gotten his metalbadge yet so someday, someday I
think we accidentally got rid ofit so one day I'm gonna be
there in that studio holdingthat metal hell yeah, so

(04:13:29):
appreciate it guys.
Yeah, monday nights that's whatwe're trying to go for for right
now, 9pm eastern, but we'restill all work and we still have
shit going on, so we'll switchover to Tuesdays if we have to.
We'll go to Sundays if we knowMonday and Tuesday we're busy,
so just be ready and it might belast minute, just like Frank
did tonight.
So alright, guys, have a goodnight.

(04:13:50):
Appreciate y'all, until nexttime good night guys.

Speaker 7 (04:13:53):
Thanks, everybody appreciate it.

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