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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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All right, welcome back to CopsOne Donut.
I am your host, eric Levine.
Today I got with me Alan Nelson.

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What's going on, buddy?
Hey guys, how are you?
I got to give a good shout outto Alan because he came over.
I've been sick the last twodays.
I'm actually kind of recovering.
Got some bad stomach bug.
I was down and out.
Alan came over.
We were supposed to kind ofknock out a project together
where he hooked up our fiber andgot all that stuff running and

(01:15):
up and going with some Wi-Fi outin the podcast studio and he
did it all by himself on a coldday, all alone, just working his
little ass off.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So appreciate it, buddy yeah, not a problem, glad
to uh help support the channel.
Uh see if we can get thingsbigger and better.
Yeah, with the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So I am not seeing anybody's chat as of now, but I
see a bunch of people logged on,so I so I don't know what is
happening.
Let me see here.
Overlay Whoa, if you guys arein the chat chatting, give us
one second.
Something is.
I was just talking about howRestream's been screwing up

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lately and it looks like it isscrewing up right now.
I'm not seeing the chat and Ican't even chat with you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, I can see all of last week's stuff plus.
Ward just said what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I can't see any of that.
I'm going to press a buttonhere.
I'm going to hit reload.
Stand by one second.
I don't know what's happeningStanding by.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Constitutional Country Girl News.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Welcome, shannon, finally getting to watch us live
.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It seems like every week one of us has a problem.
We're going to get it allfigured out one of these days.
And yes, harrison Rock, it isvery cold in Texas.
Eric, you shedded your jacketbuddy.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, okay, now I can see everybody's chat, so that
worked.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I just went through a few of them.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Cool, cool, cool.
He said we can talk smack.
Now he can't read us FuckingWard.
Of course he did.
Yeah, it's cold out, it is cold.
So it's roughly maybe 50 yardsfrom my home to the podcast
studio in the backyard.
And today's the first day whereI actually said out loud fuck

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this, I'm not going out to thatstudio, it's exactly along the
fence line.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's exactly 170 uh 175 feet just okay.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No, yeah, yeah, I was , uh, oh, my god, yeah, going
through.
So, um, this is all you gotguys, everybody is sick,
banning's sick.
Matt actually had a familyevent, so family comes first.
Most of these guys were downyesterday, but I wasn't, and I

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tried to get them to do itwithout me, but they wanted me
there.
So I said all right, either way, I'll see if I feel better
Tuesday.
You may hear me cough a fewtimes, I apologize, still
getting over it.
We just celebrated, my wife andI just celebrated our 19th
anniversary together.
Congratulations, thank you OnNew Year's.

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And so we are going to theDominican on the 11th, so we
will be out of country for alittle while.
So you won't see any contentcoming from me, at least for a
week, if not maybe more.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
The guys are going to have to step up.
We're going to have to do astream next week without you.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, shoot, we've got Tom Smithin in the house.
What's up, brother?
Um tom, if you get bored, man,it's just the two of us.
Tonight you can jump on, we'lltake, we'll take anybody that
wants to jump on and hang outwith us.
Steve wallace in the house.
Um, tonight, believe it or not,I'm just trying to finish off a
christmas that was given to meMichter's Small Batch.

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It's a very caramel vanillaflavor to it.
That'll help with the cough.
Yeah, exactly that's what I'mtalking about.
It was almost gone and I waslike let me just finish that guy
and then see how the alcoholhelps my belly.
It's not going to help it atall.
Thanks for discussing greatinformation.

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Congratulations on theanniversary.
Anytime, we have gotten morefeedback in the last I don't
know month than we have evergotten, and I really attribute
that to the team that we've beenbuilding together with Banning
Matt Alan.
Occasionally we have dead legbehind the scenes.
We got Trey Mosley out ofCalifornia as a peace officer.
We've been building togetherwith with Banning Matt Alan.
Um, you know, occasionally wehave dead leg behind the scenes.
We got Trey Mosley out ofCalifornia, uh, as a peace

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officer, and, um, daniel Carr,who is our our law expert, who's
retired PD out of uh,albuquerque, uh, new Mexico, and
so we've been getting a lot ofgood feedback.
Uh, appreciate it.
Some of it's been um criticism,but constructive criticism,
which is fine.
I like that all day long.

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Just, I don't.
And what's been great, alan andI think you've pointed this out
a few times, I know Banning hasis we'll get some people in the
chat and they will start goinginto this in the chat and they
will start going into this um, Idon't know if it's intentional,
but like an attack style ofquestions where they're trying

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to either trap me or or troll orwhatever it is in the in the
guys in the comment section,like defend it.
They're like no, no, no, don'tstart fucking with these guys,
because they're actually outhere answering the questions.
So we appreciate that.
I appreciate that you recognizethe genuine effort that we're
trying to put out there inanswering stuff like that.

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So I do appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think what's impressive, too, is it's also
some of the ones that werechallenging in the beginning and
once they started joining on,and then they're the ones kind
of defending it going no, justhear them out, let them have a
few minutes and you're going tobe on board too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
What do the kids say?
Let them cook, let them cook.
Yep, I hear my kids say that,let them cook.
And actually one of the topicalvideos we're going to watch
tonight is the Olympic guygetting arrested.
I've seen the video, alan.
I'm sure you've seen it.
My kiddo wanted me to talkabout it because she was wanting

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to know why the girlfriend gotarrested and she wanted us to
talk about the HALO rule and allthat stuff, the law that they
came out with out there.
So, bob S Filippo in the house,what's up, brother?
Um, let me see tom smith the onout.
Kelly, oh, I don't want that tohappen.
I almost blocked tom, theresearch team, really needs to

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fix that.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
They do, because it's real close together when you
click it.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, you got to be very careful.
Um.
Constitutional country girlnews said as a citizen, I love
and respect you guys.
You know I don't want you toput us on too high of a pedestal
because, just like they say inspider-man, you know, everybody
loves a hero until they don'tand they become the person they
love to hate.

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So I'm trying very hard not tobecome that person.
I had a video the other day.
You guys know I call out badpolice work, but I also call out
good police work and sometimesthere's people that just don't
like my view of what I considergood police work.
There was a video.
I'm actually going to play it.

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Let me just play it for thesake of conversation Share
screen.
We'll go with our Instagrampage and we're going to go with
this video right here.
Okay, this was a Michigan StateTrooper and I'm probably just
repeating myself what I say inthe video.

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Michigan State Trooper does apit maneuver on a vehicle going
the wrong way on the freeway.
Michigan state trooper drivesthe wrong way on the freeway to
stop a wrong way driver.
Good pit, good pit, all right.
So I had that video.
Let me stop sharing this realquick.

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Had that video.
Let me see what happens when webiggie size this.
That's not too bad.
That's cool.
So the overwhelming majoritywere like holy shit, that was
awesome.
But if you don't know the wholebackstory on that, that guy got
a 30-day suspension for doingthat, which is incredible to me
that he would get suspended forthat long.

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A suspension typically, folksfor those that don't know in law
enforcement, when you getsuspended, that's without pay.
Suspension is without pay.
That's how I understand it.
Maybe some other people playwith the language where they're
at, but for me that's a no paything.
And we got into the conversationabout general orders and

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policies versus the law.
Like in any situation that I'veever heard of, where somebody's
driving the wrong way down thefreeway, it almost always ends
in disaster.
It isn't just the suspect thatgets hurt.
Somehow they miraculouslyusually survive, but they end up
killing somebody else comingthe other way.

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So for me, seeing this, he knewit was against policy.
He did it anyway.
That is the type ofdecision-making I'd like to see
from cops, and that's what Isaid is that he knew it was

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wrong, against policy.
He needs to be fired, he needsto be gone, he needs to go to
jail.
I'm like holy shit, where's theobjectiveness in this?
Because you guys want cops togo after cops when they do wrong
things.
So you're expecting them to notonly kind of rise above a
culture that's beenindoctrinated in police, because

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there is that indoctrination inpolice work where you look out
for each other.
You know thin blue line, that'show some people see that.
So then you got this guy whowas looking at what is the
greater good for people's safety, the public good, at his own
peril.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I mean there was a couple different things in
just that simple pit maneuverthat were pretty ballsy.
I mean one he's going backwardstoo.
You know, like you got to timethat, just right, everything the
stars have to align.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, he got lucky.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
He felt like he could do it and you know, once you
make that decision there's noturning back.
It's like, you know he he feltlike he could do it so you know,
could have gone good or bad andin that event it went really
well.
And you know I personally losta fellow police officer from our
agency 15 minutes after heclocked out from a wrong.

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You know he was driving on thehighway home and somebody
crossed the center median andtook his life, and so it hits
home really hard for me for acouple different reasons.
You know there's a couple townsjust north of us and there's no
center median and so you knowdrunk drivers do it all the time

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the SO gets a call, you knowprobably every weekend it's like
hey, so-and-so car, you know is, and usually by the time a dps
or the, the sheriff's departmentgets out there, you know
they're already gone, but youknow I know of three off the top
of my head in the last fiveyears.
So yeah, I see something likethat.

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You know you save lives andyeah, that's kind of the role
we're in I.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I would really like to see there's these devices out
that um that warn people ofwrong way drivers, the sensors
that go on the freeways, on theentrance and exit ramps and
stuff like that.
You know, my best advice is, ifyou see a wrong way driver,
stop, pull over as far as youcan safely, but come to a stop.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's better that you're not moving and they hit
you versus you both moving, youknow, forward um and there's
actually I I don't I can't speakof the exact name for it, but
there's actually a medical termwhen you see headlights straight
onto you that you drive intothem, yeah, so it makes it
harder for you to swerve away.

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It's almost like a magnet thatsucks you to it.
And so all of those differentdevices and things like that are
you know they're needed and youknow, one of the conversations
that was spoke about in the lastcouple of episodes, you know is
all about you know, when we'rearresting people, none of us get

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in this job.
Very few of us get in this jobto arrest people are you know?
We get in this job to helpprotect people and help save
lives and you know, and there isa element to arresting people,
but you know that's not ourintentions element to arresting
people.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
But you know that's not our intentions.
Yeah, uh, joseph said that.
Uh, he got two days off.
We'll do it again.
Um, yeah, I and I, I thinkthat's honestly probably what
this officer maybe would haveexpected.
You know, two days off, maybefive at the most.
Um, you know, take your lumpknowing that.
Uh, okay, if they're going togive that to you.
Here's where my real argument is.
I wish we could get citizens toget in the asses of these ivory

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towers that make thesedecisions.
It's like what in the hell areyou trying to teach your guys?
Because, at the end of the day,what if that was your grandma
having a medical episode?
You're confused, lost all of asudden.
That pit maneuver may havesaved her life, but now officers
are going to second guess andbe like, well, fuck that, I
ain't getting 30 days off, I canafford three to five.

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Right, 30 days without pay.
I'm not ready for shit, I'm notready for that right now.
I'm not going against anything.
And right and now we've got,you know, at a max potential or
at a minimum, two victims orjust the one.
So, yeah, um, I saw somebodyhad a pretty good comment here.
Uh, rico, vich, I'm not gonnanone of it, none.

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I don't know if that's a realname or a fake name either you
don't want me even trying uh,unfortunately spelling
yeah, unfortunately, most videosare of cops doing bad stuff.
It skewed the public'sperception of how most cops act.
It's hard to get out of thatalgorithm.
Once you search for bad cops onYouTube, You're not far off,

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Because I get a lot of my videosfrom Instagram and TikTok and
most of them now are from stuffy'all send me.
So I'll get these videos.
I'll get like what do you thinkabout this one?
Or they'll have specificquestions about that video and
I'll make a reaction video forit.
And it has made my algorithms.
It's just like nothing but justcops screwing up, screwing up,

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screwing up, and I'm like allright, this is good material.
But you guys know me, I try tobalance because I think it's
important to tip that, like he'ssaying, or she Rico sounds like
a guy's name that if all yousee is a negative, that starts
to be your mindset towards thattype of thing.
It's like, oh man, cops arejust out here.
Well, there's a ton of goodstuff too.

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You just got to look for it.
And so I am trying to make thatalgorithm, at least on our
stuff, one for one here's a goodone, here's a bad one, or my
little third angle is alwayssomething teachable.
It could be anything If it'sjust a straight up teachable
moment.
It doesn't have to be pro oranti either one, but I'll talk

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about that stuff.
We're about 17 minutes in, solet me I think I just put out
I'll give you an example of uh,okay, so the the last video I
put out on Instagram was aboutcriminal trespass and service
dogs.
So, um, I'll play that one.
Let me uh share this screen,Cause this, this got people kind

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of up and down I don't thinkthey were really look at that
beautiful face.
Dogs and criminal trespass.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
I'm not gonna argue with you guys, let's go you guys
are out or I'm gonna startarresting people for trespassing
.
It's up to you we're nottrespassing.
Yes, you are we're-abidingcitizens right now it's private
property.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
They can refuse to have anybody here they want.
It's a private-owned entity.
Okay, that's it.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Let's go All of you out, all right.
So, pretty short and sweet, letme stop sharing here, so the
argument that I was trying tomake for people cause they were
like saying, oh, it was abouttheir dog.
Well, let's, let's, let'sdiscuss this, let's go to you
guys in the comment section,cause I'm sure there's going to

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be a lot of people.
Tim, okay, peeps, calm down,I'm here.
We got you, tim.
Um, so there was a lot ofpeople getting pissed off about,
well, ada dogs are allowed.
They're service dogs.
They absolutely have a right tobe there.
Well, okay, I don't disagreewith that.
However, the way the law worksand I asked the judge because I

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people were coming at me so hardI started to question myself.
I was like, maybe I am fuckingwrong.
Let me you know, I'm not, Idon't hardline in the sand and
much so.
This wasn't one of them.
I was like, well, let me gofind out from an expert, so talk
to the judge in person.
And I was like, hey, here's,check out this video, here's
something, here's the discussion.

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And I said here's how I see it,Let me tell you how I see it,
and you tell me where I'm wrong,tell her.
And she's like no, you're 100%right.
Everything you said, 100% right.
I was like, oh, okay, so mypractice of the law?
I don't practice law, but myinterpretation of the current
practice of the law was spot on,cool.
So here is my argument Do youhave a right?

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We're going to use Starbucks,because that's the example I
used, I think, in the video.
We're going to say Starbucks,you bring your service dog into
Starbucks.
Yes, you can, they got to letyou in.
However, let's say they don't.
Let's say they stop you at thedoor, say nope, we're not
letting you in.
They don't give you a reason tosay nope.

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You, at the door, say nope,we're not letting you in.
They don't give you a reason tosay nope, we're not letting you
in.
Do you think, because you havea service dog, that you can
force your way in now or havethe cops come and they're going
to let?
The cops are going to force youinto that store, into that
starbucks.
No, that's not going to happen,right?
So now then the question is okay, let's say they don't stop you
at the door, but you get inside,inside and they tell you hey,

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you got to go.
They don't give you a reason,they just say you got to go and
you refuse.
Obviously the cops are going tocome.
And then the cop comes and he'slike what's going on?
To the store manager?
It's like we want them gone.
Okay, why?
We just want them.

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Hey guys, you gotta go.
They don't want you here andthat's what we got in this video
.
You gotta go.
So you don't really have anargument.
They didn't tell you you gottaleave because of the dog.
They just said you gotta go.
They have that right.
They, the owner of the store,the business owner or the
representative of the business,has more rights about who can be
in there than the person that'svisiting, right?
So I want you guys to imagineit's your business and then
somebody tries to tell you thatthey can tell you whether or not
they can be there or not.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, you know what pops in my head when you're
saying.
That is immediately.
I've been asked, as a policeofficer in official uniform, to
be told to know you're notwelcome here.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You need to leave yeah, I've heard of that, never
happened to me and you know what.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
What option do I have but to turn around and leave.
So how does you know I I wasasked to leave, I can't be there
.
So if you're asked to leave,you can't be there.
It doesn't matter if you're adog.
Like you know, that dog doesn'thave any more rights than a
police officer does, and soright and and it's not that.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And uh, somebody said something about harrison brock
said a judge saying it does notmake it right.
Judges get overturned highercourts all the time.
But I agree with you in thiscase.
Yes, I agree, and I'm notsaying that she's always going
to be right just because she's ajudge.
I'm saying that I'm not theexpert she is.
So, if it's different, if itjust came from me, but I

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referred to somebody that hasmore experience and this is what
that's.
Their whole thing is to makedecisions on this stuff.
So, um, that's that's why Ibrought that up Brock and uh, I
hope you go by Brock, becausethat's a cool-ass last name.
By the way, I got a buddy.
His name's Brock.
I like saying his name.
And so to the point I wastrying to make.

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Let's say you get inside andlet's say they straight
discriminate to your face.
I want you out because you gotthat fucking dog and we don't
want it in here.
You got to go.
You still have to leave.
Yep, you still got to go.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, it's no different than somebody coming
into your house and you don'twant them there.
You got to leave, right, unlessthey live there.
You know that changes a littlebit, but if you have somebody, a
guest, over, and you tell themto leave, they got to leave,
it's the same thing as abusiness.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yep.
And so what I'm trying to tellpeople is like where is that
bridge?
Because me, as a cop, I'm stuckin the middle.
At one end, this business hasevery right to have who they
want when they want in theirbusiness.
So my hands are tied there.
However, I know that they'rediscriminating, I know it.

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So here's where that becausesomebody said it in the chat
that this is a civil litigation.
I think it was Country Girl.
This is a civil litigation typething.
Maybe they hate the smell ofbacon.
I like it and their fight nowis in court.
That's where it goes.
That's where this fight goes isit has to go to court.
It's not going to be right therebecause the cop for me, what
I'm going to do as a policeofficer this is my education
portion, this is where I'm goingto be like hey, listen, they
want you to go and I'm going tolean into you and I'm going to

(23:42):
be like but they told me theywant you to leave because you're
a dog.
My body cams are rolling.
So, hey, I'm Officer Levine,badge number da-da-da-da-da, hit
me up Like.
Here's my card.
I will be a witness for you Inthe report that I'm going to
write.
I'm going to annotate that andmake this official and tell them
that, hey, they told thispatron to leave because of their

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dog.
Now, I know this to be illegalaccording to the ADA, but my
hands were tied due to trespasslaws, because they work against
each other and that's how thatgoes.
So, yes, the officer's job.
And somebody was trying to say,well, officers should educate
them and tell them what they'redoing is illegal.
Agree, I do think that the copsshould tell them hey, you can't

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make them leave because of thisdog.
But I'm going to ask the ownersof the dog first Does that make
sense to you guys?
You catch what I'm saying.
Wink, wink.
I'm on your side if they'retrying to make you leave because
you're a service dog.
So I'm going to go over to youand be like do you want me to go
tell them that this is againstADA rules and illegal?
Or do you just want me to say,hey, all right, you guys got to

(24:47):
go?
And then I've told you, the dogowner, like, hey, they told me
they wanted you to leave becauseof this dog.
So that's my two cents on thatand got a lot of shit for it,
but it was an educational,purely video.
I think that cop was doing whathe could video.

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I think that cop was doing whathe, what he could um he never
mentions that dog and everybodygot upset.
They're like no, no, I'm justtrying to make him leave,
because the dog no, he nevereven says that in the video.
Um, what tim say here?
Uh, it looked like a long one.
Ah, I hit it too.
Yeah, I take my little two dogsto walmart all time.
They are not service dogs.
A lady complained to themanager told the lady that those

(25:28):
dogs were welcome more than thelady complaining.
Hey, I'm on that side y'all.
I am a big dog fan.
As long as your dog isn'taggressive, pooping and peeing
everywhere, I can even handlebeing overly affectionate dogs,
just licking and rolling allaround you.
That's much easier.

(25:48):
But just not aggressive.
Make sure you have a littlecontrol over your dog.
But what is this?
Edu said putting a dollar signon justice only helps criminal
judges, prosecutors and policecontinue their crimes unabated.
I don't know what that hasanything to do with what we're
talking about, edu.

(26:08):
Stay on topic here, bud Rico.
People want immediate decisions.
No one wants to go to court.
There's cops there.
That is part of society'sissues today.
We want immediate satisfaction,which is a pain in the butt

(26:29):
sometimes.
I want your supervisor here now.
My supervisor is halfway acrosstown handling a shooting.
You want him to come over herebecause you don't agree with
your citation.
Not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's some of the arguments you get.
Yeah, my department, there'sthree of us on duty um like
we're all the same rank, likeit's not you know we might have
a sergeant, but you know you aretalking to the senior officer,
you know.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
So next, um, did you guys know this is from tim uh
that service dog vests are notactually required for your
service dog, they are third.
All third party Didn't knowthat.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
No.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Um, I can tell you, right now I am.
I am going to lean towards theperson that says hey, this is my
service dog.
I'm just gonna be like, okay,I'm not gonna, I'm not really
going to dig into it.
One, I don't have time.
Two, if your dog's not being anasshole, what other reason do I

(27:32):
have?
Now there is an exception,because doing this made me look
into it a lot further than Iever have before.
But apparently there are someexceptions, and oh, this was the
other thing.
When I mentioned that lawenforcement are an exception to
trespass, people lost their mind.
Oh, they shouldn't be.
What I mean is they're anexception during an emergency.
So you know, if it's an activeshooter, if there's an active
crime scene going on, whateverit is, as long as there's a

(27:52):
lawful reason for that cop to bethere, then they cannot.
You can't tell them they gottago Because they're handling
business.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But if I just walk into McDonald's and they're like
we don't serve your kind here,you gotta go, I gotta go and
trust me, I thank you for atleast saying we want you to
leave, versus spitting in myburger does that look like spit
to you yeah, when you live in asmall town like me, you just
park on the back corner at sonicso they can't see your vehicle

(28:21):
and you just eat it really fastand don't think about it
shouldn't be eating at sonicwhile you're sitting in a patrol
vehicle.
There's like four places to eatin the town.
Your past six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
You're right, sir, you're right food like I tell
all my rookies, yes, sir.
Now I'm fortunate I live on areally good side of town so I
got like a tom thumb that's opentill like 11.
Um, I go there and I'll grablike a rotisserie chicken.
I can eat off a rotisseriechicken for two days.
Dude, that's amazing.
Such good, oh, such good food.
What's Country Grill Newssaying?

(28:52):
She said yes, punitive.
Yes, tim, people can't ask yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're not.
Basically, how I look at it isthe ADA part of it.
And now we're talking about.
Ferpa and HIPAA.
It's just like that's offlimits.
Did you just say FERPA?

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I did.
I'm sorry.
What's FERPA?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It's medical records.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Is that a real thing?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, ferpa.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, good thing that wasn't a U instead of an E.
That's awesome.
Anyway, brown bag for the win.
Hell yeah, brother.
Uh, let me see stan the man.
That's a cool name.
Uh, it's funny.
I had a buddy in high school wecalled.
His name was stan.

(29:37):
We called him stan the man.
I have a service dog and neverput his vest on.
He's a gigantic German Shepherdbut he is very relaxed, never
had an issue.
It seems to be.
There's just very few outliersof incidents where this happens
that I've seen the averageMarine said oh, we've got the

(29:58):
average Marine in here.
Now we got Marine blood,average Marine.
We're getting all the Marinesup in this.
He said about to drop a nuke.
That Tom Thumb is the bomb Bestpre-made food.
Blood average marine.
We get all the marines up inthis.
He said about to drop a nuke.
That tom thumb is the bomb bestpre-made food.
Yes, the pre-mades man.
The other day I got like sixchicken, green chicken, tamales.
Uh, delicious, uh, love it.
Uh, yeah, make it special for acop.

(30:18):
We got banning.
Banning is sick.
Yeah, I, okay, I'm sorry, letme go.
I don't know if I mentionedthis.
Banning's not feeling well.
I did mention that, so he won'tbe here today.
Let's pause.
We've been in this.
Yeah, that's Banning's videoscreen right now.
He just did that so he could beon the channel.
Our new website is up, guys.

(30:39):
I'm going to share it right now.
That's awesome.
I have been busting my ass atnagging my cousin, who made the
website for us for free for ayear for exactly a year because
I wanted to take us to the nextlevel.
So please, when you get thetime, go check out our new

(30:59):
webpage.
Here it is.
We have got this is ourhomepage Got a couple new icons
and stuff made for us, butyou've got our bios.
This is not the final productby any means, but this is what
we got so far.

(31:20):
We're going to keep building onit.
We want to take your ideas.
If you guys got any things thatyou want us to add to it.
I like that shirt you're wearingand that picture.
I know, look at that.
What are the odds.
But please, another thing oursponsors, every sponsor that you
see that we have or we willever have, we're going to put on
here to try to be transparentabout the people we let help

(31:45):
support us, because I'm a verybig believer that I'm not going
to let a sponsor in that doesn'tmorally and ethically align
with what we're doing.
And then that goes with ourcharities as well.
So the charities that we've goton here.
I actually have to add MattThornton's charity that he does.
I haven't added that one yet,but we're behind these ones too.

(32:07):
Another one that I'm going toadd up here that I haven't got
yet is the, where they go todeath row and their Innocence
Project.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Innocence Project.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I'm going to have the Innocence Project added up here
, especially after talking withDerek Hamilton and having him on
the podcast and all that stuffand having a couple other people
that have been falsely accusedor imprisoned.
So they do a lot of great worktrying to get people their
justice.
I guess you could say to getthem free.

(32:40):
So Tim said did you see thesuggestion I sent you?
I don't know what you'retalking about off the top of my
head.
Um, my mom said I'm taking kylois my, you know, 100, 105 pound
doberman.
That is a spaz in public.
Like you are not taking him inpublic anywhere at one.

(33:02):
You can't, I can't control himlike.
I can control him like on awalk, but you take him out in a
bunch of people.
I just don't trust him.
So no thanks.
Uh, he said you guys need.
You guys need new merch.
I'd buy a big fat hoodie.
Well, the clothing merch stuffis a whole different commitment

(33:25):
that we'll get there.
I hope to.
We're not there yet, though, soappreciate it.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
We're still working on Retro Rifle.
Yeah, we're still working onRetro Rifle.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
We need a donut hoodie.
Yeah, if you guys can't tell,I'm sporting Retro Rifle.
That's what he's got on rightnow is Retro Rifle.
He said great job on thepodcast and what you're doing.
Thank you, greg, appreciate you, brother.
Kelly said the website'slooking great, thank you, okay.
So let's get to the point ofthis live stream.

(33:57):
We do For those that are new wekind of run through this every
single time, so if you've heardit before, I apologize we review
body cam footage that we'venever seen before except this
first video.
We watch, we've seen it, andwhat we do is we pretend we are
the officer in the body camvideo and it gives you a unique

(34:17):
look at how officers think as acall develops, versus watching a
video and then Monday morningquarterbacking.
So it kind of gives you aninside look.
That is unique.
You don't really get to see andyou understand how I'm thinking
, how another cop from acrossthe nation or how a cop from an
adjacent city thinks about acall as it develops, as it

(34:38):
breaks down, and that is.
That is unique.
Nobody else is doing that.
Nobody's done that.
That I've seen, um, and if theystart doing it now, they're
copying us and I guess that'sthe best form of flattery.
Is imitation right, so cool.
But um, he's like she said thatI'm stealing your logo and
making my own.
Hey, you know what country girl, if you can get?

(35:01):
There's these new hoodies.
I keep seeing where that the,the logo, the embroidery is like
popped out.
I don't know how to explain.
I'm going to actually you knowwhat, before we go any farther,
I'm going to find it.
It's almost like a 3D.
Yeah, vintage printed hoodies,dbs.
I think one was a Dragon Ball Zthat I saw.

(35:21):
Let me see, I'm looking.
Um, let me see, I'm looking,I'm looking, I'm looking.
I'll know the.
I'll know the brand vintagehoodie, that's who I saw.
I'm gonna go to there.
Yep, biggie size.
Let's roll these videos.
Slow your roll, david.
I'm trying to find a hoodie.
Slow your roll, david.
I'm trying to find a hoodie.

(35:46):
Oh shit guys.
No, I think he's saying you needa shirt that says that Because,
like you say it every timewe're about to show a video.
I see what you're saying Do.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I say that a lot Every time.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Every time.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Like I almost know that it's time to play a video.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Let me see, dang it.
I just had it, I promise.
Um, would you call it 3dprinted hoodies?
Yeah, maybe that's a better wayto nope, that is not what we
want.
That is dirty nope.
Oh, yeah, that would.
Uh, yeah, that didn't.
It didn't come up the way Iwanted it to.

(36:24):
I promise you know what?
I might abandon this right nowbecause I'm not finding what I'm
looking for.
Nope, that ain't it either.
Damn it.
All these pop-ups are happening.
All right, fuck it, I'm out, Igive up, I'm not looking anymore
.
Anyway, let me go to this firstvideo.

(36:46):
Again, everything that we foundis off of Police Activity
YouTube channel.
So, except this first one,which is off CBS Miami, which
they just all they did was jackthe body cam of this event.
So let me share, share thisvideo.

(37:07):
Share.
Biggie says boom.
All right, let's go, all right.
So for those who are wonderingwhy there's no sound, typically
when you have an Axon bodycamera, which is what this is,
and if you wonder how we knowwell one, it says Axon body

(37:31):
camera, right here where mymouse is.
But also that yellow symbol isAxon's logo.
So you guys know, but there'sno sound the first 30 seconds.
But there's no sound the first30 seconds and I'll pause it one
more time.
I'm sorry Because I want theeducation side of this.
It bothers me.
The reason there's no sound.

(37:51):
It's not because it's hidingsomething.
What it's doing is the bodycamera recorded 30 seconds prior
to you hitting the recordbutton.
So it's always got like thisbuffer of 30 seconds that it
recorded before that cop evereven hit the button.
So that's why, okay, I'm goingto go back, because now we see

(38:23):
there's a fight on.
I'm going to tell you I toldyou guys's a fight on.
I'm going to tell you, I'vetold you guys before.
Normally when I judge a use offorce video, I watch them muted.
So I'll tell you what I seehere.
Okay, I see her pulling himback.
That's one of the first thingsI'm noticing.
He doesn't look happy.
But see this officer's bodylanguage.

(38:45):
He's leaned up against a car.
He's not facing this guy.
I don't to me.
What I'm reading is like okay,he's maybe being a pain, but
nobody's really taking him thatserious yet and she's trying to
get him to leave.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
She's pulling on him.
So do you know what the callwas for?
No, okay, okay so pause it andback up just a little bit,
please.
Okay, so you can see thesuburban behind you okay behind
this little cart.
So they have the streetbarricaded for a reason okay,
they got an event going on orsomething yeah, and he's trying
to get to his car.
Okay, they're telling him thathe can't go to his car.

(39:28):
So there's a conversation.
So these two officers areget-back officers.
You're not going over there,okay, gotcha.
So yeah, just before that car.
You can see the cars down thereand they got the street blocked
off.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, so I'm going to guess that, because we saw the
pushback, that if it were melike, this is too close If my
body cam can't even see yourface, you're too close, you need
to back off.
Yeah, you only back up so farbefore it's like okay, you've

(40:06):
crossed the line and and here iswhere I get into you as a
citizen screwed up because youwere pushed back and told to get
back as you press towardsomebody, and that's anybody's
natural reaction, even cop or nocop.
Um, tim, I'll ask tim, he's askTim, he's in the chat.

(40:27):
Tim, are you going to letsomebody walk up that close to
you without at least gettingyour hand up and trying to keep
some distance from somebody?
I would probably think Tim'sgoing to say no, you're in my
bubble, but where the problem is, you've got a uniformed officer
here.
So, but where the problem is,you've got a uniformed officer
here and now you're putting yourhands back on that guy, like

(40:49):
that's a no-go.
You don't get to put your handson the officer who you know
you're encroaching in on, so hepushes him back.
Whoa, absolutely tried to likestraight push that cop back.
Okay, so I can see why thiswould get into what it gets into

(41:13):
.
Okay, from here.
Verbal commands Put your handsbehind your back, you're under
arrest.
Put your hands behind your likeI'm now, you're going.
You're probably going to jail,depending on what happened.
Now I this is where me and somecops differ.
I am willing to let a lot more.
Go when it's just me.

(41:34):
If you're just doing somethingto me, I am willing to forgo a
lot more than a lot of cops arefor me.
In this instance, the best youhad was you pushed me because
you're pissed off, you can't getto your car and I had to take
you down and calm you down.
Okay, cooler heads can prevail,as long as I didn't have to use
force.
Okay, he is a hundred percentresisting.

(42:12):
Every single person that's onhim.
He chucked.
He's an olympic athlete, right?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
yeah, that makes sense I think that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Sprinters are strong as fuck.
Dude, let's play.
Yeah, trying to imagine tryingto wrap up a sprinter's legs.
Good luck, no, I don't evenknow I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I'm pretty good at jiu-jitsu, but damn that would
be rough, you can get thoseanacondas out you're good,

(42:50):
you're done okay, some, some, Ican't tell.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I would say some knee strikes or something to try to
change his behavior.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Is is authorized, but I think also you know all three
of them are in the same spot Ifsomebody gets some body weight
on those legs and you've got toomany arms in the fight right
there.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Let me keep going.
Here's somebody stop resisting,which is the catch all, and
I'll fully admit this.
Some cops start saying stopresisting, it's just a OODA loop
thing.
They just start fucking word,vomiting it, and I don't know
that they're truly.

(43:37):
I don't know that they're trulyfeeling resistance or if they
just don't know what else to say, they get stuck in it.
Because you'll even hear itwith this lady when she keeps
yelling stop, stop.
Like why are you yelling?
Stop like it isn't, you're notchanging anything.
You just get into that mode.
Everybody's susceptible to it.
I've done it where I've toldpeople like get back, get back,

(44:00):
get back.
And then they're just standingthere and I'm like all right, I
need to shut the fuck up becauseit's not working Right.
So he's still pushing off theground, he's using his legs to
get up.
You can see by him arching hisback, the way he is.
They're trying to put headweight on him.

(44:20):
Where the head goes, the bodyshould follow.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
But he's an athlete.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
He knows how to move his weight around.
Doesn't look like they'restriking.
Oh my god, lady.
Okay, taser's effective.
Yeah, here's my problem.
These officers did not.
For anybody that understandshow a taser works, right now the
taser's going off.

(44:47):
You are 100% fine as the personthat touches him.
It's not going to shock you.
The only way it's going toshock you is if you lay across
the leads and on the new taserthat's gone, you can touch both
leads and you're fine.
So that's a cool part about thenew taser.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's interesting.
I've never gotten to play withthe new tasers.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, it's pretty cool, so I'm going to keep going
.
I'll get to the comments guys.
We'll scroll back a little waysor post your comments again.
Stop, stop, stop.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Stop, you didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
She is completely being disingenuous now.
She's just doing it for hervideo.
You can tell Body language.
She looks over at the crowd afew times.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Stop, stop, stop, stop Stop.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
See, she looked at the crowd again.
Stop, get the f***ing table offof him.
Move, get back.
He wasn't moving.
They can push him back.
He's right there a little tooclose.
So that brings up the nextconversation.

(46:03):
By the way, is florida's newhalo law, the 25 foot rule.
I want to get into that.
Um, we'll have a discussionabout that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh, my god, that voice you know it's actually
good that that officer is not inon the fight too.
He's watching.
He's doing the security.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I like it.
Don't say anything else.
I agree with her there.
Don't say anything else.
I think that's the only cameraangle we get From here.
We would get into, you know, alittle bit of first aid on them,

(46:55):
because you're going to have todeal with those taser probes
and all that.
I'm going to stop sharing thescreen for now, sharing this
screen for now.
Um, okay, so the conversationgoes into how close are you
allowed to get in the crowd aswell, but let's go to the
comments.
I want to see what people arealready saying about the video

(47:15):
and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Um, let's see fred richard conversation earlier
about uh, why the video?
The audio thing that you hadalready mentioned, but then they
were talking about why we muteit when we give it out to the
public.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Oh, okay.
So the reasons a lot of timesthey redact audio is for
personal information.
My department and I think thedepartment that I'm at which you
won't hear me say on here alittle more progressive.
You're not allowed to mute yourvideo.
Unless we are.
There has to be a damn goodreason for muting your video.

(47:53):
I think it's like if you're ina hospital and you're talking
about medical information andstuff like that, or tactics.
Like if it's on a SWAT call-outand they're discussing that
stuff.
Um, my guys, the patrol guys,basic patrol stuff, though no,
they're not muting their stuff.
Like where my my team.
I even tell them like don'tmute your shit.

(48:14):
Like if something needs to beredacted later, let the media
team handle that.
That's their job, that's notyour job.
Don't, don't mute your shit.
Um, somebody's calling me.
Sorry, I'm on a live, so inthose settings.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
You know, as when I was actually setting up the body
cameras for our department, youcan go in so you can do 30
seconds to a minute before theaudio recording starts, and
that's all about how much datayou're trying to save and
battery life.

(48:48):
The reason why we don't dorecording video and audio the
whole time, it's all about data.
You know these cameras can onlyhold so much data before they
have to be downloaded and allthat kind of stuff.
Oh, it ain't just that.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
It's not just data.
The battery just doesn't last.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Right, right.
That's what I mean is the shift.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
If I were to record the whole time, I maybe get six
to eight hours.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Right, right, and that's why I'm saying it's just,
you know the camera's on, butit ain't working until you hit
the button and then.
And so you could set thosesettings, and then you could
actually go in there and set itwhere it can't be muted, you can
make it where it doesn'tvibrate, you can make it where
the colors don't change.
Those, you know, depending onwhat the agency has written in

(49:32):
their policies.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Mr Belfold said no, alan, we know that departments
do redact it.
We are talking about officersarbitrarily turning audio off.
It is always redacted.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm with you,mr Belfold, there are
departments that they allowtheir guys to do that.
I don't agree with it.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I agree with that too .

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I don't think that's okay.
I don't think you should bemuting your shirt.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
When you're on the call.
You're on the call.
When the call's over with, turnthe camera off, that's off,
that's fine.
But while you're on the call,if you're discussing things with
the other officers you know shesaid this.
She told me that, like, why doyou need to mute?
You don't need to mute that Ifthere's medical information or
anything like that on a Freedomof Information Act, that stuff
can be redacted later.
That's not on the officer, sohe shouldn't be doing that.

(50:17):
So I just think it's one ofthose things.
Because it's still in itsinfancy.
Body cams are still in theirinfancy.
It's still new to police workin the grand scheme of things.
So, um, the work in the kinksout departments, like where I'm
at one of the top 12 in thenation, um, as far as size, like
that's what we do and that'swhat a lot of the bigger ones do

(50:38):
, and that's usually how it goes.
When one of the big ones do it,all the rest start to follow.
So we learn, we make a rule andthen we're like all right, we
fucked up there, we should havedone it this way.
And you keep going.
So I want to get to Tim'scomment.
He said I think 25 feet away istoo far.
So let me give you guys I wantto give you guys a little
insight.
So in Texas everybody'sthrowing this big thing about

(51:03):
Florida's 25 foot halo rule.
Well, guess what, in Texas it'sbeen at the discretion of the
officer while he's on a call.
That's the rule in Texas.
So I am able to give you apoint of reference.
Hey, I need you to move back tosuch and such point.
If you don't do that, then youcould be placed under arrest.

(51:25):
I tend to agree with the wayTexas is more than all.
Right, alan, I agree to be withthe way Texas is more than the
way Florida has it right now.
And I want you to hear me outand I'll tell you why.
What I don't like about 25, aspecific guideline.
Hey, you need to get 25 footback.
Like about 25, a specificguideline.

(51:48):
Hey, you need to get 25 footback.
What if I've got a guy shooting?
What if I got somebody that's abarricaded person and they got
a long rifle inside of a houseand you're like I'm just across
the street, I can be here, I canfilm from here.
Sure, you can.
But I need you back farther,because now you're a liability,
you are in the line of fire andI need you to move, I need you
to get back, and then I'm within25 feet.

(52:10):
You can't tell me.
So it's not worth the argumentof sitting there and be like, no
, I don't have time to explainto you what's going on, nor is
it your business, but you needto get back over to this
specific location because I havean act of crime going on.
I have an act of crime scene.

(52:30):
So, oh, I'm glad Tim broughtthis up.
Tim Owens says but isn't thatwhat tape is for?
You don't always have time fortape, just like you don't always
have time for traffic devices.
You don't always have time fora stop sign.
You don't always have time forthis and that in traffic.
That's when cops suddenlybecome a replacement, and that's

(52:50):
how we're able to guide traffic, because we become a
replacement for a trafficcontrol device.
So let's say we traffic'sgetting backed up in a certain
spot and we know it's gettingbacked up and it's causing a
hazard.
We can become that trafficcontrol device and have you run
a red light and just keepsending traffic through and stop
the other way traffic.

(53:11):
This is that same type of idea.
Is that if there's not tapeavailable right away, because
that takes time and we need toget a perimeter set up or we
need to do get a control overthe thing.
That's when the discretioncomes in, it's like, hey,
perimeter set up, or we need todo get a control over the thing.
That's when the discretioncomes in, it's like, hey, listen
totally free to video, but Ineed you to go to that telephone
pole over there.
That's kind of how texas doesit.

(53:32):
Um, so I like that, um, as longas it's not abused.
So at the end of the day, if youare going to tell somebody a
spot they have to get back.
It has to be reasonable.
Everything falls back toreasonableness.
You can't have somebody, justyou know.
You can't tell somebody.
No, you got to go all the wayto the end of the block and you

(53:53):
really you don't got much goingon, you're just dealing with you
know Karen's pissed off thatthe neighbor's trash can's on
her side of the driveway.
So that's just how, just how Isee it.
But let me go to the comments,see what y'all are saying.
Um, keep the tape measure nextto your tape.
Keep the tape right.

(54:14):
Yeah, and that's the otherproblem with having a designated
length like 25 feet.
Like you guys can see howthat's going to get lost in the
weeds really quick.
Somebody's is going to be likeI was.
I was 25.2 feet away and hearrested me.
And then it's going to be likewell, officer, how did you know
he was 25 feet away?
Like you see, that specificnumber really screws things up.

(54:39):
Um, let me see Harrison Brocksaid Eric, that will only work
until a federal tells youotherwise.
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Feds have a little more.
What in the hell is going onwith your view, buddy?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
His Osmo is trying to follow me.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
It's weird, your tab said something about hub.
Something hub.
I didn't quite read it, youknow.
Uh, I thought that was blockedin texas, bro, uh not, no more.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I made it look like I was in china buddy.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Uh, tim said if I see cops being shot at, I'm sure
I'm not gonna run up to the copand go.
Can I film this?
I gotta tim.
You may not, but believe me,the moment they see a couple cop
cars out in front of a housewhere there's a barricaded
person, they have no clue.
There's a guy barricaded inthere with a gun.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
They're gonna be like what's going on, uh, and all of
a sudden they become an amateurauditor well, and I don't know
if you mentioned it, but uh, the21 foot girl with knives and
things like that, right, yeah,um country girl said but eric,
you know how many times it'sleo's that have an issue with
the 21 foot girl with knives andthings like that.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Right, yeah, yeah, a country girl said but, eric, you
know how many times it's Leo'sthat have an issue with being
recorded.
Yes, I do, um, and we are goingto continue to put the campaign
out in our shorts and reels ofuh, trying to get officers to
wake the fuck up.
Listen, if you are a new copfollowing us, you do not have
any say on whether or not aperson can record you.

(56:09):
You don't have a say.
So get the fuck over it.
It's a First Amendment rightthat everybody has.
Where you maybe have a littlesay is if you're in a controlled
area, if you're inside theprecinct or sector or cop
headquarters, whatever you wantto call it, and it's a
controlled area and onlyauthorized personnel and it's

(56:30):
clearly posted and all these.
You know little things.
You know who will really getyour ass on technicalities is
that Long Island auditor guy.
I just recently learned abouthim, so I've been watching a lot
of his stuff.
And the dude man he's good,dude is good, good, he knows his
shit.
He is very aggravating to somecops and I can, I can see how?

(56:53):
But he's only aggravating tothe guys that don't know.
They don't know any better.
So again, I give auditors credit, the legit ones, not the ones
that are out there just tryingto make money, but but the legit
ones that serve a purpose, andthey have created so much good
training for cops that theyprobably saved guys like me in

(57:13):
my career, because I canhonestly say when I first became
a cop I didn't know, I didn'tknow that any of that stuff, and
I never really thought, becausepeople didn't have cell phones
that really recorded, so itwasn't a thing.
And then all of a sudden, likerecording people became so much
easier and I would have beenlike, are they allowed to do

(57:34):
that?
Like I don't know, I don't knowwhat the rule is.
So kudos to the First Amendmentauditors man.
They like probably saved mycareer Because I could have been
that guy that was like no, youcan't fucking record me, you
know.
All you know blue-haired aboutit, because I didn't know is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Um, it's that you know the small departments, like
where I came from, it's it'sinteresting how we don't have
training on that stuff.
And so I had a differentopinion when I started.
Uh, kind of, I went to atraining where some guys are
having a sidebar conversationand, uh, you know, I kind of had

(58:13):
to teach myself and it's it'spretty.
It's so easy for you to mess up, like when you don't mean to be
, you know, in breakingsomebody's rights and all that,
but you, you know, you thinkyou're in the right and then all
of a sudden you're like, ohcrap, I've been wrong this whole
time.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah, country Girl said you got to get Sean Paul on
here.
I'm down If anybody can get aconnection.
I think I reached out onInstagram when I finally found
out who you guys were talkingabout, but I didn't hear
anything back.
So Andy Fletcher said Seanfound out who you guys were
talking about, um, but I didn'thear anything back.
So, uh, andy fletcher said seanis aggravating to their ego.
100, 100 also I it well, okay,95.

(58:57):
Sometimes it's very frustratingwhen people won't let you talk.
That that's annoying.
So, like y'all, if you're notletting the officer have his
turn to speak, then that's whenit becomes very frustrating as a
cop to do your job.
Um, me, I.
It took me a while to learn theart of staying quiet.

(59:18):
Um, once I learned it, it itreally helped me out, but it did
take me.
It probably took me eight toten years to really get that art
down.
When you keep talking over me,especially if you ask me a
question and I go to talk andthen you start in again, then
I'm just like, all right, andI'll just sit there and stare at

(59:39):
you and then I'll wait for youto say something about me not
talking and then I'll say can Ispeak, and then that's when the
kind I keep my tone really lowand soft.
So Tim Owens said here's anoffshot question.
Again, I like this.
I like how this started out,tim Owens, again, it's kind of

(01:00:00):
off topic, but when you guyswent through the academy, how
much constitutional law did youhave to learn?
Guys went through the academyhow much constitutional law did
you have to learn?
Um, it depends.
My very first academy, the onethat I did um in the military
and that for military police,and then the one that I did in
um saginaw, michigan.
Very little, I'm talkingreaders.

(01:00:21):
Digest version like hold on,eric.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
You're starting to show your age.
Do these younger people evenknow what?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
a reader's digest is yeah, so the quick, short
version of it and it wasn't thatgreat until I got to where I'm
at now.
And they spend a lot of time onit and they keep hitting on it
over and over in scenariotraining and this and that
training.
So it doesn't matter if you'redoing like a live, I get my swat

(01:00:53):
hands up if you're.
You know I can't help myself,so I feel tactical when I do
this, like that's what you do.
You know, there I was.
I don't have a tactical bone inmy body y'all.
So there it was and I was doingthis loud music call.
And so when you're doing theloud music call, like it's the

(01:01:14):
foot in the door, that's what wetry to trick Our Recruits on is
A loud music party.
They get up to the door,they're knocking and, like the
music's going, they're notlistening to the officers,
they're just talking shit.
Fuck you, fuck you.
They're behind the door andthey go to shut the door on the
cop and we wait to see if thoseofficers put their foot in the

(01:01:35):
door and we hammer them withconstitutional rights violations
.
There goes your career.
You might go to jail.
Da-da-da-da-da, ah.
You just violated this person'sright.
That's their home.
That is sacred.
You cannot da, da, da.
And we it is a wake-up call.
And guess what?
We never have a problem withour guys in our department and
girls sorry Is putting theirfucking foot in the door, which

(01:01:59):
I've seen videos of people doingthat to this day and we hammer
constitutional law on themconstantly and give them
real-world things about it.
Now, we're not hitting themwith.
Third amendment we're nothitting them with.
You know, there's like certainamendments that just don't
really show themselves a wholelot in police work, so we do
hammer the ones that we goacross a lot.
Fourth amendment, fifthamendment first, second
amendment you get your secondamendment, auditors.

(01:02:21):
It's Texas, though, so thatreally wasn't a problem for us
at all.
But David Edmondson saidfavorite bathroom reader for
some of us back in the day, Iknow right.
So Stan the man brings up agreat point.
Shouldn't that be the setstandard to train all cops?
Maybe 10% of cops work scheduleeach week should be some sort

(01:02:44):
of training.
I don't disagree with you.
A matter of fact, one of thewhole reasons I started this
podcast is because of thedisparity in training across the
nation.
It is amazing what training Iget where I'm at in just two
cities over.
That doesn't even touch acandle to what we get.
They have no fucking clue.

(01:03:04):
They don't get the money, theydon't get the backing, they
don't have the training, thedisparity in training guys.
That is one of the wake-upcalls I would love for the
public.
And this is where we get into.
You know, defund the police,like, no, you can't, like.
You already have a problem.
You defund them.
You're going to make it worse.
You got to give them money totrain because these smaller

(01:03:28):
departments are suffering.
I want you to look at thesedepartments that you see in
these videos.
Do a little extra digging otherthan just figuring out here's
okay.
Here's my problem with some ofthe anti-police people.
You dig because you want to seedid that officer get in trouble
?
Fuck that, I don't care if hegot in trouble.
I want to know if the problemgot fixed for the next cops that

(01:03:49):
are coming through theirtraining.
Why did he think that was okay?
Find out the root cause.
Yeah, he may be a bad seed orhe just may have shit training.
That needs to be your focus.
Find out why he was trainedthat way.
Were they not getting the money?
Are they putting their traininginto other stuff?
Are they going to the range youknow three times a month,

(01:04:12):
spending all their budget onbullets that they'll hardly ever
use?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
or going to the range once a year.
Or going to the range once ayear, I mean, our department
couldn't buy ammo this year, soI had to buy my ammo to qualify
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
That is crazy to me, where I'm allotted uh, 100
rounds a month just to go shootand and if an officer doesn't
use it like, they're like hey,we got extra boxes, you want to
go shoot more?
Yep, hell, yeah, I want toshoot more.
I want to shoot as much.
I want to shoot into my fingers, blister.
But that is part of the problemin policing.

(01:04:54):
That's what we got to fix.
That's what I want.
You guys that are are adamantlytrying to hold police
accountable.
I want you to hold trainingaccountable, more so than the
punishment.
Yes, there are cops thatdeserve a punishment.
There's cops that deserve to befired.
It's cops that deserve to becharged.
But you're talking about onefucking person at a time.

(01:05:15):
I don't care about one personat a time.
I care about the mass ofmotherfuckers that you're
putting through an academy andthey're all getting that same
training.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Well, and now we don't have them coming to the
academy because people are, youknow, defund the police and
people don't want to get intothis career field because you
know they're, they're worriedabout if we're going to be
funded and you know, yeah, andso it's this double-edged sword.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah, um you know, tim said I seen seven squat cars
at my local dunkin donuts theother day.
I'm like how maybe there wereno calls holding tim, or maybe
administrative uh, punishmentshave been dealt out so much for
trying to do police work thatthey're only going to move when
there's a call like a firedepartment or were they doing

(01:06:05):
meet the police day or the local?
coffee with a cop could havebeen that um oh, eye of the
night.
I haven't heard, I haven't seenhim in a while, or her.
Uh, he said I mean, look at themassive issues that are
uncovered after.
I think it was london, kentucky, and the fatal shooting of the
man in his home in the middle ofthe night over a weed eater.

(01:06:26):
I don't think I saw that.
Have you seen that one shotover a weed eater?
Let me look that up, let me see.
Um, he said London, kentucky,london.
Pardon me guys, real quick, whyLook this?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
is a London shooting of a man in his home shooting
weed eater stolen weed eater.
Investigation tied to deadlyshooting mr billfold, all good
cops in the world cannotovercome higher ranks that are
responsible for the training andthe higher standards yeah, and

(01:07:04):
it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Mr billfold, I'm sorry about the the london thing
.
It might be something I getinto after this podcast, but, um
, I, I definitely want to lookinto it.
I just don't want to researchit while we're sitting here
talking um.
But uh, where did that commentgo, mr bill full?
Oh yeah, here, I got I, I gotit.
So that's deep.

(01:07:27):
I want you to kind of listen towhat he's saying there.
All the good cops in the worldcannot overcome higher ranks
that are responsible for thetraining and the higher
standards.
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Well, and I would take higher ranks all the way,
higher than just in thedepartment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, that's city council.
Yes, because there's a whole lotto go on.
Where does your budget comefrom, guys?
That's something to consider,yeah, so, and what gets trained?
I had one year where theywanted us to focus so much on
21st century policing.
They wanted us to focus so muchon 21st century policing, and

(01:08:06):
that was a bunch of culturalhippie.
You know, repackaging of verbaljudo.
That's where de-escalation andall that shit came from.
Versus, I would rather cops belearning Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
I would rather they become, youknow, up to a blue belt in in
grappling.

(01:08:27):
I would rather they take aemotional intelligence course
and learn what emotionalintelligence is so they can
start handling their ownemotions and understanding why
they're getting these emotions.
Versus cultural, you know,appreciation, shit, and I'm not

(01:08:47):
saying it to be funny, but I'mlike emotional intelligence is
like damn near 99.9 of the joboh it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
You know that's number one interview question.
You can tell how they handle aquestion when you start asking
them right and and if you guysaren't versed I wasn't laughing
at you.
I was laughing at one of thecomments, sorry, oh no, you're
good.
And if you guys aren't versedin emotional intelligence, I
wasn't laughing at you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
I was laughing at one of the comments, sorry, oh no,
you're good and if you guysaren't familiar with emotional
intelligence, it's not ahippy-dippy thing at all.
It's something I actuallyfirmly have pretty much evolved
my life around.
It's made my marriage better,once I learned what it was and
how it works.
I think Daniel Gold, something,I can't remember the name of

(01:09:28):
the author.
That's where I first startedthat from.
But, um, just look up emotionalintelligence authors, you'll
find a bunch of good stuff, uh,but it's great, great stuff, um
tim said yeah, the lawenforcement article that's on
emotional intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
No, okay, I went to a class that was like emotional
to a guy, an officer, it isprobably.
I wrote a book, yeah he's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
He's big in the world of it, so I got you.
Tim said they served a warranton the wrong address.
Whenever the owner oh, oh shit,yeah, yeah, yeah that that
tends to happen.
Um, if you don't do yourhomework, I know, like where I'm
at.
You have to.
If you write a search warrantfor a home, you have to

(01:10:12):
physically go by, take a pictureof it.
You have to verify it.
It has to be double verified.
When the judge goes to sign thewarrant, the judge reviews that
address with you and googlemaps it and compares the.
I mean, they go above andbeyond that's how it should be,
and that all comes from somebodyscrewed up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah, absolutely, and so we're going to all cover our
.
I don't want to do that.
I don't want to go and kick inmy grandmother's door because I
didn't pay attention to thenumbers that are on the side of
the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah, yeah, um, I have the news, so totally
understand.
I guarantee you'll read and beappalled at the failures
involved.
Judge's Weed Eater.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Judge's Weed Eater yeah somebody said it was the
judge's executive is what MrBillfold said so that's why they
probably rushed the Weed weedeater warrant Damn.
Dude, aren't weed eaters like150 bucks now or something?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
They're not that bad yeah.
I mean, I got a steel weedeater so I recommend steel.
They're not an official sponsor, but my leaf blower is also
Steele.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Mr Belfold, please send that to us and we'll look
into that one in case.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Let's see here.
Perry said I'm going to guessand New Orleans PD effed up New
Year's Eve due to the failure atthe superintendent level.
I don't know, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I think it's too soon .
There's so many things that aregonna be, involved in that.
That it's hard to yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Sadly, people lost their lives over that bill and
mr billfold said eric, I justwant to trust in police.
In my country, again, it'sdifficult.
The same attitude thatconditions officers to distrust
the public runs in reverse.
Mr Billfold, I would recommendthat you never trust your police
Never, that's I I.

(01:12:15):
I think you should trust inyourself.
Whether or not that's right orwrong, I don't know.
I just think that when secondscount, cops are minutes away and
that's for the truest form ofneeding yourself to to depend on
yourself.
So, um, I would say never,never, trust your police.

(01:12:41):
It's.
It's cool to have confidence inthem.
I would say I would change thatword for confidence, not cool to
have confidence in them.
I would say I would change thatword for confidence, not trust.
Have confidence in your policedepartment.
I'm confident they'll do theright thing.
I'm confident that they knowwhat's up.
I'm confident that they'regoing to handle this situation
the right way.
But don't trust them.
Nwa had it right the first timetime.

(01:13:02):
I mean honestly, think about it.
We are a free nation.
You got to remember theConstitution.
It all falls back on theConstitution and I am yes, I am
a cop.
I would love for you to trustme.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
That's great, but at the end of the day, your trust
may be misplaced.
When I am trying to get justicefor somebody else Will you
leave your handcuffs sitting onthe table at a briefing.
Would I leave Fuck.
No, well, as sergeant yes, youmight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
You might as sergeant .
Yes, as an officer, you mightas sergeant.
Yes as an officer.
No, no, because that's a trophyright there.
Explain what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Police officers are the.
We have sticky fingers andwe're going to use them as a
trophy and we're going toadvertise them that somebody
left them sitting there orthey're going to steal them.
You know, you.
You know you don't ever handoff your handcuffs to somebody
and think you know, if I gavesomebody my handcuffs and you
put them on somebody, I'm goingto the jail because that's the

(01:14:16):
only way I'm getting myhandcuffs back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah, yeah, mr Billfold said.
He said that's easier from yourside of the fence, sir.
I don't think it's necessarilyeasier, because it's very hard
for me to put trust in people.
People, even completely, 100%innocent people, lie to me.
I mean, 99% of the encounters Ihave there's some level of

(01:14:39):
lying to me which sucks.
So people wonder why cops arecynical assholes.
Well, when everybody's lying toyou, even when they're 100%
innocent, I'll ask hey, cool, Ipulled you over for speeding.
They're like yeah, I wasspeeding, sorry about that, cool
.
Hey, where were you coming from?
Oh, I was just coming from work.

(01:15:00):
And then later on in theconversation well, I was running
up to the store to get this andI'm like you said you were
coming from work, like I don'tknow why I said that, and you're
like so it's just just, peopledo it.
Mr Belfold said I need to trustthem because y'all have a

(01:15:23):
monopoly of force.
I I don't know how to arguethat, I'm not trying to argue
with that and I don't disagreethe police is all you have.
So he said, if I had trustedmyself when I was unlawfully
arrested, my sons would bevisiting my grave.
Well, there's a difference, mrBillfold.
I'm not asking you to trustyourself on the scene.
I'm asking you to have patienceand trust the courts.

(01:15:44):
Take it to court, please, foryour own safety.
Don't fight with cops.
Even if you're 100% right,fight in court.
Play nice Bugs Bunny, approachit, kiss them with kindness.

(01:16:05):
Andy Fletcher said you want my?
Ah, I got 10 of them stashed.
Ice tea, body count Uh, he saidyou know what's funny.
Tim Owen said you know what'sfunny that you mentioned that
because I'm a bigconstitutionals guy and one
thing I heard Charlie Kirk say,which was the constitution of

(01:16:27):
the United States was based onChristian values.
He must have ran out of space,possible.
I don't really bring religioninto the way that I do.
I just work off of the laws.
Tim said I have plenty of copfriends.
I do trust them as friends.
Yeah, or do I trust them asfriends?
Yeah.
Do said I have plenty of copfriends.
I do trust them as friends,yeah.
Or do I trust them as friends?

(01:16:48):
Yeah, do I trust them in thatuniform?
Nope, and they don't blame me?
Yeah, like I said, end of theday, I'm hoping the good cops
out there.
They're looking out for thetrue victim and if you're in the

(01:17:10):
way of that.
That's where you don't want totrust.
Don't want to do that.
Um ward said I've never lied toyou, levine.
I truly like your style andchoices and shirts.
Fuck off, ward.
Uh, this is what happens whenyour co-workers get on your
channel.
Don't let them.
Should I should have blockedhim a long time ago now I kind
of set a precedent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
I have to let him be on here yeah, but you know he's
going to come back around.
He knows how to find you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Brock said cops are easy to deal with.
Just say I don't answerquestions.
Yup, one of my favorite videosI didn't have anything to say
about it.
I should have saved it.
Now that I'm thinking about itis these cops came up and they
had jack shit.
They had nothing.
I didn't have anything to sayabout it.
I should have saved it.
Now that I'm thinking about it,these cops came up and they had
jack shit.
They had nothing.
And they just kept trying toask questions and the guy just
stared at them and they're likeyou know, we can detain you, we

(01:17:58):
can put you under arrest, andthey're like all this stuff that
they said they can do, whichthey couldn't.
And the guy just kept staringat them and then finally he just
walks off and they, they lookat each other and you hear the
cameraman goes fucking owned.
That's all he says.
I was like that's perfect,because cops can say all sorts

(01:18:18):
of shit.
They can lie to you.
Yeah, there's an extent to whatthey can say, but they can lie
to you.
So, yes, practice the art ofremaining silent.
Country girl said that usuallypisses them off.
Yeah, I've seen it piss offcops, mr Billfold, always remain
silent.
I agree, this is a new name.

(01:18:41):
I haven't seen Cement Kite 80.
Maybe I have seen that one.
I have seen a kite on here.
Do you think they should raisethe age to be a police officer?
I think 21 is too young thesedays.
I've had this conversation onhere and I'm glad you asked that
.
Um, if you would have asked 18year old, 21 year old me if I
thought I was ready to be a copat 21, I would have told you yes

(01:19:02):
.
Looking back as almost 42 yearold me in my 18 years fuck no, I
was not ready.
Not ready at all.
Alan, were you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
ready.
I was 27 when I became a policeofficer, and I was still too
young, yeah, so I am of a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I'm a fan of 25.
We can't raise it too crazy,but I'm a fan of 25.
Do I have a preference?
Is there a sweet number that Ithink would be perfect?
I like that 30 to 35 rangepersonally.

(01:19:39):
But we'll never have fuckingcops and, depending on our
lifestyle, you're not going toget a longevity in us in the
streets.
The body starts to break down.
Yeah, it's hard to get downlongevity in us in the streets
Right, the body starts to breakdown.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, it's hard to get down and get back up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Yeah so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Especially if you're, you know, involved with an
Olympic sprinter.
Yes, that next day would havebeen.
You know I'm not going to lose,but yeah, I'm going to be black
and blue when it's over andit's not going to be from
getting punched.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yes, I'm going to be black and blue when it's over
and it's not going to be fromgetting punched.
Yes, tim said.
James Freeman said it.
Perfect, I'm not willing tokill you over me being right,
you will.
That's what Eric said.
To fight them in courts, not onthe street.
Yes, eye of the Night said.
Most people seem to believe Copsare your friends.
What do you want to do withyour friends?
Talk.
They seem to forget that.
Anything you friends, what doyou want to do with your friends
?
Talk.
They seem to forget thatanything you say can and will be

(01:20:29):
used against you.
Part thing.
Yeah, you're now wrong.
Let me see, eric, you're goingto make me get in shape and
become a cop just to raise hellwith the bad cops?
Hey, that's one of the things Ichallenge everybody, man, if
you really have a, if you hatethe way policing is done and I

(01:20:50):
hated it as a kid in Flint.
That's why I became a cop.
Everybody thinks I did itbecause of my dad.
I didn't.
My dad was a cop down here inTexas and I grew up in Flint and
I had some bad incidences withthe Flint police and people.
You know I was a shithead,let's put it that way, I was a
little shithead growing up andmy dad poised the question to me

(01:21:15):
after I was bitching about thecops.
He said you can be a part ofthe problem and be a part of the
solution.
And it didn't really sit withme at that time I was only like
12 or 14, but that stuck with me.
And then I finally I was likeyou know what?
Yeah, I'm going to go show themhow to be good cops.
And now here I am.
You know, I can't tell you ifmy style of policing is the

(01:21:37):
right style, because everybodythat's the beauty of policing
Everybody's got their own styleand it works for them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
But I can't tell you I think that's the other thing
about all of police or and it'snot just policing.
But we're all different and youknow it's really interesting to
me.
What is going on with thispodcast is it doesn't matter
where you are and you know we'rein Texas, but we have people
from all over the country and weall look at these videos and go

(01:22:07):
through these videos and, uh,we all go to it a similar way.
We may have different views onit and takes, but you know parts
of us all come to that samefinal point pretty much the same
.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
And that's one of the things that intrigues me the
most.
But also, you know, we each getthere a different way because
military is a little different.
The military needs you to be alittle more brainless and I'm
still in guys, I'm still in themilitary, still in the Air Force
.
I'm in the IMA reserves for theAir Force that they need the

(01:23:02):
18-year-olds.
They need people that don'tquestion a lot and do what
they're told and need thatstructure.
So as you get older and youstart to become wiser, the way
the world works, that's when itgets harder and harder for the
military to get what they needout of you and that's why they

(01:23:23):
push you off, because you startasking too many questions.
That's really what happens Now.
I'm to the point where I canteach a lot, but they don't
really need me out there on thefront line, so to speak.
Don't get me wrong If they wantme to, I'll go, it'll be fun.
But I don't think they want meout there because they'll be
like, hey, we're going to goattack this forward position.

(01:23:44):
I'm like, let's make much sense.
I don't see why we need to dothat right now can we, can we
explain?
that a little bit yeah yeah,let's look at that map again
yeah, I need to understand thewhy we need to do it right now
seems like a bad plan, um, timsaid, but of course I, if I
become a cop in my town now, Iwouldn't last long.

(01:24:05):
They're dirty here, all right,let's get to another video.
We haven't even gotten to awhole lot of videos yet.
You guys are asking a lot ofgood questions.
I hope you don't get too mad atus not playing a lot of videos,
because I really think theimportant part is the
interaction with you guys.
Keith Evel said Keith, kiss myass.
Mr Belf, bill, fall your punsare.

(01:24:31):
They are legend.
So let me see here.
Let's uh, yeah, again, Iapologize if we're not getting
to a whole lot of videos.
I think what you guys have tosay is more important, and us as
talking and doing that stuff.
But, um, if you think that thepolice don't ruin the lives of
cops who go against the blueline of silence, you have some

(01:24:51):
learning to do.
Gang stalking is real.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
They were talking about officers being a gang.
Oh, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Oops, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
There's one there, stan the man.
Oops, sorry, I almost.
There's one there, stan the man.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Can we explain the difference between police
officer and deputy?
Okay, so in a municipalitythat's going to be where your
police officers are.
You work for the city.
The city is under the citymanager and the mayor, so the
chief is beholden to them, andthen they typically tend to be

(01:25:30):
civil service, meaning they havecity protection in a way.
They can't just be firedwilly-nilly.
And a deputy who works for asheriff a sheriff is an elected
position, so that electedposition he gets to appoint all
his higher ups and theneverybody that gets hired under

(01:25:51):
them is basically because thatsheriff said it's cool to have
them.
So sheriff's departments canchange drastically.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Yeah, we had an agency around here.
A new sheriff got elected andall 108 deputies had to reapply
for their job yeah, so you canget some crazy shit going with
the sheriff's side.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Now I really like the idea of sheriffs.
I, I think I would.
I think I would excel as asheriff versus being a chief,
because as a chief you got toplay politics.
I'm not a big fan of playingpolitics.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Cause you want to keep your job yeah, in a
sheriff's role.
You want to keep your job andbe in politics in a different
manner, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Yeah, um, brock said Eric, he must be at E7, e8 by
now.
I'm not dude, I wish I.
Just I don't listen.
I'm be full 100 with you, brock.
I'm just in it to get my healthinsurance.
My health insurance is 200bucks a month as long as I stay
in.
So I ain't trying to excel, Iain't trying to do any extra, I

(01:26:57):
just show up.
I teach a lot of these youngguys how to do cop work, because
they signed up to be a militarycop and they don't get to do a
whole lot of real police work.
So I use it as an opportunityto train them in real police
work, kind of give them adifferent view of the military.
So it's not so cynical, becausethat tends to be what they do.
And if they want to promote me,I'll take the easy promotion,

(01:27:19):
but if not, I'll just be happysitting as an E6 bud.
Don't care, rank is rank.
It's not my career, it's justgoing to be retirement.
It's the easy way for me to getmy insurance and that's just
how I roll.
Let me see.
Tim said Sheriffs have morepower.

(01:27:41):
Believe it or not, they do.
Yeah, sheriffs absolutely.
They have the ultimate powerwhen it comes to law enforcement
.
They are the end-all, be-all.
If I was rolling down the roadin my police car city car and
they turn on lights behind me, Igot to pull over.
They've got the right of way.
So I said I got out of the Navyas an E6, stopped at nine years

(01:28:06):
.
Ooh, you stopped right at thecutoff.
Man, they usually say 10 yearsis the limit and then you're in
for life.
But yeah, let me see here, letme get this next video going.
Viewer discretion advised.
Everything's frompoliceactivitycom or
policeactivity YouTube channel.
Damn, let me hey, marine Blood.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Glad to have you here , did he?

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
finally get on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Yeah, he's been lurking dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
He said only branch worth mentioning is the Marine
Corps.
Listen to this fucking jarhead.
Rah rah, rah, rah Kranz.
I can't talk shit, because theyjust released a video of an Air
Force guy singing a.
What is that?
Cartoon Disney with the ice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Let it go.
Let it go.
What the fuck is that?
You know what movie I'm talkingabout?
Yeah, you have girls in yourhouse.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, this is an Air Forceguy singing the snowman's part.
I mean he nailed it though Sangit just like that dude, that's
awesome.
And yeah, banning sent that tome.
He goes yeah, you can't talkshit about the Marines anymore.
And he sent me the video ofthis guy singing that song.

(01:29:15):
I was like fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
What an asshole, but good job.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Yeah.
Yeah he got me.
All right, let me share thisscreen here.
Got all right, let me sharethis screen here.
I think this is the right onesure all right, let's go boys
and frozen, frozen billfold.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
Hi, I'm calling for my dispatch.
I'm a bus driver, san Pedro.
There's a dash bus, one five,and it's located on Gaffey and
19th Street and there's a whiteMaserati chasing them and
they're armed.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
A white Maserati is chasing after a dash bus.
A bus?
Yeah, I guess.
Are you on the bus?
I have to be driving.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
No, no, I'm on another bus driver, but my
dispatch couldn't get throughwith you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
What direction are they going?
Northbound on Gaffey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Hey, he knows his direction.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
That's awesome.
Is it San Pedro?
Is it a Maserati?
Sedan I'm guessing yes, that'show they told me, Maserati.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Yeah, who's got a Maserati SUV?

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Do we have any description of the driver at all
?
No, no, that's how they told me.
How do you know that they arearmed?
I guess they pulled it out onthe driver.
That's a dash bus Do you have anumber to dispatch center so I
can try to call them and see ifthey have contact with that bus.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
So, Okay, mr Milford, is it really a trace bus?

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Okay, we'll get an officer going in the area.
Okay, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Hello, hi, yes, this is C.
Thank you so much for callingme.
Hi, this is Kelly.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Do you have any further information on the bus
that's being followed?

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
It is.
It's a male.
He's solo in the car.
African American.
It's a white mozzarella.
It's the fourth car behind herand he's been following her
throughout the whole route.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
Where is she at?
Right now she's headingnorthbound.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Is she still making the stops?
That's what I want to know.
I'm reminded of an old Seinfeldepisode when Kramer takes over
a bus, when the driver passesout from a medical condition and
somebody tries to jack the busso he's like fighting that guy
off and, oh man, I'm showing myage um and about to make that

(01:31:34):
right turn on 7th street northon, on gaffey going.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Uh, she'll be going east on on 7th street has she
made the turn already?
No, no, uh, she is passing 8thstreet right now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
This is exciting, just listening to the dispatch
are like party shots, are youjust?
Like what exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
I've heard to this um , it is uh I guess you can say a
domestic, uh, domestic dispute.
He is uh the father of herchild the bus driver I know, uh,
yeah, the one in the othervehicle that's following her is
the father, so they'reex-partners.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
Okay, I just want to confirm I have it right.
The person in the Maserati isthe suspect.
He is the bus driver'sex-partner.
Yes, okay.
Alright, do you want to back up?

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
We're going to be behind the Maserati.
Can we get one more.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
All right, let me biggie size that so you guys can
see it better.
So already, alan, you tell me,like I am not trying to get into
any shit with this maserati,until I have backup, I'm gonna
let everybody know that I've gotit on view, um, and then I

(01:32:58):
might not even have lit it upyet.
Uh, I, I don't know if he did,I, I thought, especially in this
environment.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Yeah, yeah, it looks like we're in a residential area
.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Um, I don't know if he did, especially in this
environment.
Yeah yeah, it looks like we'rein a residential area.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
I don't think they lit it up because on the Axon
fleet I think they're in therean indicator on the screen that
says lights are on.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Okay, so just a domestic.
These are the worst of theworst.
He's already not thinkingclearly, and he's got to have
some money.
He's driving around in Maserati.
Yep, they're not cheap, let'skeep going.
And they are sex partners.
Right 518-106.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
LA, I believe Great.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Pacific.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Yes, yeah, la, I like this kid there.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
Yeah LA, I like this.
I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
We're going to be on first and grand.
Okay, so he did just light themup.
All right for me, felony stop.
I'm not risking it.
You know you're not gettingthese calls too often.
You got a call from a thirdparty and from the bus driver
itself.
So anytime we get multiplecalls about a gun, now it's

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going to be a felony stop.
And for those wondering what afelony stop is, that's going to
be as soon as we step out of thecar.
Guns are going to be drawn.
We're not approaching, we'regoing to call you out loud, hail
you to get out of the vehicle,show your hands, turn the car
off, put the keys up on the hoodor throw them out the window or
whatever, and that is a felonystop.
So it's just about safety forhere.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Ozark man, it's a good one here.
What's that, ozark?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
man.
This was a Tuesday beforeThanksgiving.
Before Thanksgiving holidaydomestics are the worst.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
The back window rolled down.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Second unit Roll down the window.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Anybody else in the car with you.
So I would want my approachingunits to know the direction that
my guns are facing, the waythis car is facing no-transcript

(01:35:22):
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Well, and for me and you, you know that vehicle being
right beside us.
Not only are they, they'redoing two things there, they're
also showing the the trafficfrom the other direction that
you know we're taking up thewhole street.
Yep, so hey, down there, if yousee me sitting in the middle of
the street, maybe you need toturn off yeah uh.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Tim said do they not own, do they not have PAs on
cars anymore?
They do, some work, some don't.
Yeah, it's a crapshoot, tim.
Sometimes you get the car thatjust doesn't have a very
well-working one or you know itdoesn't work.
Stan the man said, roadsidearguments will never have a good
outcome.
I don't think people understandthe limited information a cop

(01:36:05):
has about the calls they receive.
That's a fair statement, sir.
I like he's trying to yellwithout sounding like a dick,
like that's the impression I'mgetting.
He's trying to yell out therebut not be amped up.
So this is a good approach, Ilike how he's doing this.

(01:36:32):
So they're asking for backup.
This is the beauty of workingin a big city, guys.
I have this luxury myself.
You can ask for your supervisorand for air one, which is a
helicopter, to come to the scene, just because of how high a
potential this one has.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Do you have to and this is a question I have for
you do you have to make thatrequest?
Or your dispatchers, you know,in that environment, are they
automatically just saying, hey,we're asking for this stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
A little bit of both.
Sometimes they'll make the calljust because they know, or
sometimes it'll be something andI'll be like, hey, can we get
air one out here?
And I'll be like, hey, can weget Air One out here?
And they'll be like, yeah,let's get them on the horn.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Carson Grant correction 9 you said he can't
roll the windows down, or whatyeah?
He can't roll down.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
White Maserati.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Okay, so they got a little bit of communication with
this guy.
He can't apparently roll downthat front window, for whatever
reason.
Okay, so nothing's going tochange.
Still going to be a felony stop.
Alright, driver, you know, openthe door slowly, keep your
hands up.
Where'd the sound go?

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Maybe there was some information.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Let me go back, just in case he said he can't roll
the windows down or what.
Maybe there was someinformation they needed.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
Let me go back just in case.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
You said you can't roll the windows down or what.
Yeah, you can't roll thewindows down.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
I wonder if they muted it for tactics.
God I hope not.
So yeah, again I would besaying roll the window down.
Well, open the door slowly,both hands where I can see them.
That's not ever a good sign.
This is one you got to pursue.

(01:38:16):
This is one you got to go after.
We got an alleged gun Totalitycircumstances.
What he's doing is not normalbehavior.
He is a clear and presentdanger to the public.
So let me see here.
Andy Fletcher said you can'tpreserve your rights anytime
other than the moment they arebeing violated.

(01:38:37):
Let's see here.
That's not true.
I don't agree with you, andy.
True, I don't agree with you,andy.
What I would say is that in thelong haul, your rights are
preserved through justice, bygoing to the courts.

(01:38:58):
So what may be temporarilyviolated in the moment may be
rectified in the court system,which is what we have, and now
we've got we've got a call outdirection, and this is one of

(01:39:22):
those ones where for me now youguys tell me in the comments I
could be right, I could be wrong, according to your own values.
This is one we chase until thewheels fall off because this guy
is a dangerous dude.
He is going to kill this lady.
No normal person chases arounda damn city bus with a gun.

(01:39:44):
So close to Thanksgivingespecially, this is one where I
would agree to chase it till thewheels fall off so is that air
one that sounds like?
that's air one.

(01:40:04):
They're watching from above andthey're calling out where the
suspect is On the south side ofthe building.
Guys, Other side of thebuilding, Go down.
Your suspect is right there.
Oh oh oh, he's dual wieldingYep.
Look, they've shot him and hestill wants to go shoot again.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Did you see that walking up on the porch?
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Yeah, I did.
I'm going to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Holy crap.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Oh, we got a bunch of you.
Let's play through and thenI'll go back.
Holy shit.
See all these cops ducking downbecause they're getting shot at
.
He started firing from theground.
I tell people, just becauseyou're shot doesn't mean you're

(01:40:53):
out of the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Those shooting lanes were crazy yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
He goes down and he's bringing the gun up firing.
Yeah, he was shooting.
Holy hell, civilian.
Civilian, civilian, civiliancivilian tell you one thing LA

(01:41:35):
is good at is getting everyfreaking piece of body cam out
there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
It's the very transparent holster up holster,
up holster, up holster, upholster, up holster, up holster
up holster up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Don't tell me to holster up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Yeah, that's not your role.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
I know you're a sergeant.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
He had stripes.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
But yeah, this is one rule I'm not going to listen to
, because if you ever seen a bad, scary movie, the bad guy
somehow.
Until he is, until he's securedUntil he's in cuffs and we got
the gun away.
No, I'm not securing my weapon,so I don't listen to that.

(01:42:18):
If I come on scene and tell youthat shit, don't listen to me
either.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
I mean I get where he's coming from because of the
safety side of it, but that'snot the right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
I said De-escalation goes out the window when you're
getting shot at.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
You damn right.
Just look at that picture rightthere.
Oh my goodness, there's anofficer standing at the steps.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
This guy's still got his gun out at the car, which
I'm okay with that lane.
No, I, I, I love it, but youknow it's like this dude just
went.
I understand there's civiliansthere, but he is like yeah,
here's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Here's my main problem with what I see right
now is I've got an officer witha handheld radio in his hand.
Yep, I have said this a milliontimes on here, guys, it's 2025.
Now you should have a fuckingearpiece.
There is no reason you shouldbe using a handheld radio like a
handheld Yep.

(01:43:17):
No excuse for it.
Get an earpiece.
Ugh, anyway, off my soapbox.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Well, and that's the same guy that came running up to
tell people to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
No, I don't like that at all For me.
You know what I like to tellpeople what I would like to do
in the video from here.
What I would do is I am goingto get as much of a building
side approach as I could get.
So for me, I would haveeverybody stack up over here to

(01:43:53):
the right, where near where thisofficer is.
If you can see my mouse, um,which my boy, he's got a lot of
time on the department.
I can see that already his givea fuck is out well as many as
many units are there.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
You know, grab a shield out of a vehicle and you
know three man approach it yeah,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
So so I, I would.
I would stack up over here onthe right, move up with a shield
, and if we have one it's lapd.
I know they've got shields.
So, uh, move up with a shieldand get the weapon away, secure
him and then start to render aid.
Good luck with this guy.
He's probably shot a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Well, and now we've got to check that building.
Yeah, I was going to say he'sin that apartment complex.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
We've got to send people in.
We've got to check every roomthat's over here, including this
house.
Yep, so Eye of the Night saidtwo cops, one donut, that's what
comes with.
Defund the police.
What does?
What did I miss DLSK?
She comes with a window Tryingto see if you said something
else.
I don't understand the context,sir.

(01:44:58):
Mr Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Radio issue?

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Oh, radio issues.
Okay, now that makes sense.
Yes, I'm sorry, I get it now.
He said I didn't make it asmuch.
As I pointed out, being madewhole is not theoretically
possible.
Any civil rights violation,gotcha.
Uh, this is one of those timeswhere you need to listen to the
cop when they say you need toback up.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know the only thing I wouldhave you know, if possible,
when the that pedestrian camerunning by, if that officer
could have grabbed them, thatwould have been probably yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
And Andy Fletcher this is I like.
I like what he's saying here.
I understand what he's saying.
We're kind of going back andforth on two different topics.
But he said, which is preciselywhy you make your arguments and
preserve them in the moment,before they are violated.
Yes, you know, first andforemost, make sure that officer
has a body camera.
If he doesn't, let them know,because there are departments

(01:45:58):
that don't have it.
Pinell County, arizona, doesn'thave it.
Where Frank is at, they don'thave fucking body cameras.
It drives me up, it blows mymind.
It blows my mind that theydon't have body cameras.
You need to have body cameras.
But dude up by the porch isfiling his nails, making pizza
orders.
He's already let his union repknow I wasn't involved, I didn't

(01:46:20):
shoot I.
He's already let his union repknow I wasn't involved, I didn't
shoot.
I'm good.
So but the point of the bodycams and what Andy Fletcher is
saying is, first and foremost,if you feel like your rights are
being violated by police, like,hey, do you have a body cam?
Is it going Like?
If they haven't already toldyou, I tell people I got a body
cam, it's already recording.

(01:46:41):
But if they don't already toldyou.
I tell people I got a body cam,it's already recording.
But if they don't, all right, Iwant to get my video.
I want to get my camera out torecord and let them know that
that's what you're going to makesure they're good with it,
because if they start freakingout I don't want you to get shot
overreaching for your videocamera, your phone.
But let them know you're goingto get your camera on, You're
going to start recording andthen say, hey, he doesn't have a
body cam.

(01:47:01):
I'm recording this for my ownsafety and I object due to this,
this and this.
He's asking me to get out ofthe car or whatever it is.
I object, but I'm going tocomply because he's telling me
to do it.
Boom, you've made yourobjection noted and it's
recorded and you've got your ownevidence.
And I highly recommendeverybody out there have your

(01:47:21):
cameras for your phone set toautomatically upload to the
cloud, that way, if there areany crazy, corrupt motherfuckers
out there that want to deleteyour evidence, they can't get to
it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
They'd already uploaded to the cloud.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
So you heard it.
First, I told you how to defeatthat system.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Andy Fletcher, I completely agree with you.
It should be something that'sfederally mandated.
But again, it's a funding thing.
You federally mandate something, but it doesn't matter if you
don't federally fund it theyreally get you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
That nobody wants to talk about is the data.
The data costs so much fuckingmoney just to hold it, and
that's not on the police, that'son the people they buy these
cameras from yep, oh, andthey're, they're man.
Yeah, yeah, buddy, it was itimagine if all your cops were

(01:48:17):
filming 24 7 on their wholeshift, like I paid for four
cameras at my agency.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
I had four cameras and it cost me in a three-year
contract it was 15 000, imagineat agency yeah, that is I was
paying for three cameras twothousand pounds looking like.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Imagine nypd 35 000 cops.
Imagine NYPD 35,000 cops LAPDthis one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I mean, yep, dude, and that's body camera,
car camera, drone camera.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
Yeah, real-time crime center camera.
Yeah, we're not just talkingthe body camera part.
There's also all these othercameras, the data's insane.
Crazy, yeah, insane, but yes,well, no, I disagree.
Crazy, yeah, insane, um, butyes, well, no, I disagree.

(01:49:10):
Body cams body cams inthemselves are cheap, but data
storage over time because you'renot getting sued that often.
If your department is worth,it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
you're not getting sued that often, this data right
here from this incident is alifetime keep.
Yeah, yeah, you can't deletethis.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
This data will last forever, yep.
So that's another thing toconsider is like lifelong data
storage.
It's insane.
So I'm generally againstmandates, but this is too
important.
I agree, like I'm with you.
If we're going to mandatesomething on police work, this
is one that I am 100% with you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Okay, so that goes down a rabbit hole that is
really close to my heart.
I spent 16 years in a school.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Nobody knew he was there either.
He's really creepy.
I was good at hiding.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
I was good at hiding, but in my you know so since the
1940s there's never been aschool.
There hasn't been a school fire.
There's federal mandated lawsin a school on what happens with
fire extinguishers and firesuppression and apparatuses.
There's not one federallymandated safety and security

(01:50:25):
policy within a school districtand we've had a few more
incidents at schools.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Brock said I work as a software engineer.
Storage costs a ton of money.
Yeah see, not just me, not justme that knows that the body cam
issue needs to be locallymandated.
Again, I don't disagree, butyou got to get the money, you
got to make that a part of thatpurchasing.

(01:50:49):
That's got to be, and only thepeople have the power when it
comes to that stuff.
So you got to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeah, somebody wants to take that up and you know, go
fight it and fund it.
Then I completely agree, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
It's um, I want to backtrack a little bit and get
into what Andy Fletcher wastalking about, because I think
what he was referring to isimportant.
Um, cause I don't want it tocome across like I'm saying that
you just you don't get todefend your rights.
You just you don't get todefend your rights.
What I mean when I tell peoplethat you need to comply with the
law, the officers like comply,but make your protest known,

(01:51:34):
make it in just an informationalway.
All right, sir, you want me toget out of the car?
I don't believe I have to getout of the car.
I't believe I have to idbecause this stops illegal, but
I'm going to under protest.
Here's my id that I don't wantto give you, uh, and I want it
to be for the record on yourbody camera that you said you're
recording with.
I am also recording on my phone.

(01:51:55):
Boom, you take that to courtand it turns out you was right.
You're fucking g like the judgeis gonna be.
Like the judge is gonna likegive you an honorary robe
because judges love that shit.
I'm telling you, I've seen it.
Judges love when a person know,knowingly and respectfully puts

(01:52:16):
a cop in their place and itgets shown up at court.
I've watched judges giggle likeoh, we got your ass we know
where this is going yeah andthey know, because they were
like oh, owned you, you got younot in a, not in a dick way.
It's just like the, theprosecutors and the defense
attorneys.
Afterwards they're fightingtooth and nail in there.

(01:52:37):
Afterwards they're friends,they go and have a drink
together.
Yep, like it happens all thetime.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
So um stan, the man following up on his question
earlier.
So deputy shows up to amunicipal cop scene, who's the
overall say same with the statetroopers?
I've always wondered this.
So a deputy or a sheriff isoverall the whole county and a

(01:53:04):
municipal cop is, theirjurisdiction is the city limits
basically most of the time, andthen a state trooper is the
whole state of Texas.
But what's strange about that,guys, is in Texas, me and Eric,
we have jurisdiction in thewhole state of Texas when it
comes to anything felony related.

(01:53:28):
Now we can still operate aspolice officers on the, you know
, misdemeanor level, but we'renot going to.
You know we may act and thencall in for you know whoever's
local and then call in forwhoever's local.
But if it's a municipal courtscene and a deputy shows up,
whoever took that scene, that'swho's responsible for it.
Unless when we show up like,say, I'm the sheriff and Eric's

(01:53:53):
working the scene and I pull upand he says, hey, you need to
take this over and they agree onit.
That's something that early on,the city chief and the sheriff
have.
You know they're going to haveagreements on who's in charge at
that point.
Yep, and the troopers arepretty much in the state of
Texas.
This is not for all states.

(01:54:13):
They're going to come in andassist and ask us what help we
need, if it's a municipal courtor municipal cop thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Yeah, If it's in my city.
I don't, it's yours, it's mine.
I don't give a shit if you're acounty deputy or whatever,
until somebody of a higher rankcalls me in my own department
and tells me no, yep, it's mine.
Yep, like that's just the wayit goes.
So Tim Owens said.
So here's a question for you.
In MEMS it said a cop can onlyask you out of the car for

(01:54:48):
officer safety.
What if you asked a cop if hescared you?
And he says no, scared andsafety are two different things.
So there's a knowing thedifference there.
And then I've talked about thisbefore Pennsylvania versus MIMS
and then Maryland v Wilson.

(01:55:08):
So Penn v MIMS is getting thedriver out and then Maryland v
Wilson is getting passengers out.
Supreme court ruled thattemporarily you were allowed to
get people to come out of avehicle and it was from an
officer safety case.
What the courts never said wasthat you can only get people out

(01:55:29):
due to officer safety.
It was from an officer safetycase.
So where the courts have kindof left it vague and haven't
never really made a ruling since, is basically they gave cops
carte blanche over unassingpeople from the vehicle and it's
been challenged a couple timessince then and they've stuck

(01:55:51):
with it still, right so want tomake an opinion on it yeah, it's
like they're not making anopinion on that part because
it's a temporary inconvenienceis basically the way they worded
it.
So there's a lot of people thatsay no, you can't pull them out
unless it's for officer safetyand you got to be able to
articulate the officer safetything.

(01:56:12):
That's not what they determinedin this.
Agree or disagree.
I honestly, if me looking at it, I disagree with that finding.
I think you should have toarticulate some sort of officer
safety for me to pull you out ofthe car.
It's not hard to do.

(01:56:33):
I don't want to come across likeI couldn't do it, especially if
it's next to a freeway.
I have hard hearing, especiallyif it's next to a freeway.
I have hard hearing and if Ican't hear you and you're doing
the window thing and all thatshit, I'm going to have you get
out of the car.
I very rarely want anybody outof the car.
I'd rather you be at adisadvantage.
Once I can see your hands, Idon't want you out of the car.

(01:56:55):
But if there is a reason like Ican't hear you, you not want to
roll the window down and stufflike that, yeah, there is a
reason like I can't hear you notwant to roll the window down
and stuff like that, yeah, thenI'll use it, but I don't agree
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
I think you should have to articulate some sort of
officer safety and I do think,and I kind of agree with I do
think that officer safety thewording has been a catch-all
stand, you know, remove yourhands out of your pockets, you
know, it's a safety thing.
I think that has gotten watereddown.
Maybe that's what I'm lookingfor.

(01:57:28):
I know what the intent andpurpose, for it's kind of like
everybody yelling stop resisting, you know, at a certain point.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Yeah, I know why they're doing it, but I also
know that it it's losing itseffectiveness.
If that makes sense, yeah, you,you need to be like what I make
my officers do as a supervisorholding their feet to the flame.
You know.
What I mean is I.
They'll they'll say, in theiruse of force, stuff because I
have to review it, and they'llsay something like um, he
continued to resist, so I didthis and I affected the arrest
and I'm like, nope, I'll kickthat report back.
How did he resist?
With a question like how did heresist?

(01:58:05):
Now, all of this is, you cansee this If you were to do like
a Freedom of Information Acttype thing on the report, you
would see.
You know, the officer sent itto me to review for approval and
I kicked it back and I said youknow such and such, how did he
resist Like?
He said he's resisting Like I.
If you can't articulate it, itdidn't happen.

(01:58:26):
It needs to be articulated andI'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pushing my
guys to think to, to learn howto speak and say what they're
feeling, because at the end ofthe day, that's all they have.
If we don't have video, I needto know.
How is he resisting?
Well, have, if we don't havevideo, I need to know.
How is he resisting?
Well, he was pushing off theground and I was trying to get
him flat and I couldn't becausehis arms were so stiff.

(01:58:46):
Okay, beautiful, articulatethat.
Tell me you how you were.
And I was yelling at him getflat on your stomach, get on
your stomach.
And he wasn't.
And he started to arch his backand I was falling off of his
back.
So I I threw a knee strike andthen he dropped down to the
ground and I'm like, hey, youdidn't say any of that.
Why didn't you say that?
I thought I did.
Well, you didn't.
You need to articulate that.

(01:59:07):
So I'm not going to put wordsin your mouth, but you need to
tell me, because these are thequestions that are going to get
asked.
Well, how was he resisting?
And, to the point of what youknow, andy Fletcher and Knight
of the Eye, or whatever the fuckhis name was Sorry, I've been
drinking Eye of the Night saidthese are the things that you

(01:59:29):
need to know.
You've got to be able toarticulate that stuff.
So, if I'm going to have youstep out of the car for my
officer safety, I need toarticulate that that's my
opinion.
It's not what the courts say,but my opinion would be all
right, dude, you won't roll yourwindow down.
I've got cars flying by.
I can't hear your ass.
I got shit hearing as it is.
I went over to the passengerside to see if you'd roll that

(01:59:50):
window down all the way so Icould hear you better.
And you wouldn't do it.
So now you gotta get out of thecar.
That's when I'm gonna use thecourt case.
You got to get out of the car,but I can articulate that I am
not just going to say and stepout of the car, not without a
reason.
So, um, I don't think wewatched on here.

(02:00:11):
What did he say?
Did we already see the elderlydementia patient case that had a
silver alert out and the dudegot?
No, I watched that one.
I know what you're talkingabout.
Shit.
We should have loaded that oneup.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
That's a good video um, I haven't seen that one yeah
, um, I I have the night.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
I will tell you my opinion on that one is um, I'm
not on the.
I'm not on the side of the copson that one.
Um, not on the side of the cops.
Uh, I will tell you that thepart that does suck is like
silver alerts for elderly peoplemissing.
They happen all the time andit's one of those things you get
desensitized about and if ithappens outside of your city,

(02:00:50):
you don't really see it that themessage goes out, but it comes
with a bunch of other messagesfrom other cities and shit that
you see.
Um, andy Fletcher said you seemto be a good guy though, eric,
you know how it is man Like youget to see me as much as you can
on the internet.
How well do you really know mepersonally?

(02:01:11):
You don't.
Um, I can tell you that I ambeing a hundred percent genuine
on here, exactly how I am in thepolice field, and if you ever
figure out where I'm at, Iwelcome you to FOIA any body cam
video ever on me and sit backand enjoy the show, cause I talk
the same way on my body camsthat I talked to y'all.

(02:01:31):
Um, I just have fun on patrol.
I do, I love it.
I really have a good time outthere.
And, um, I had a guy pressinghis weenie up against a Verizon
window the other day and it wasa good call.
It was a fun call.
I wish you could have been apart and heard the way that that
conversation went down.
You would have seen mecorrecting my officers.

(02:01:52):
They came and one's trying totalk while the other one's
trying to talk to the same guyand when Sarge shows up on scene
, they tend to to like they wantto do everything by the book
and they don't want to mess up,so there's undue pressure on
them.
So I understand why they wereacting the way they would.
They probably wouldn't havebeen that way normally, but I
had to like hey, one talk, youlet him talk.

(02:02:16):
He's already was talking, lethim be the talker.
And I'm like slowing things down.
Do we Like, do we have somebodythat wants to be a victim or
they just want him out of hereCause they were ready to arrest?
They were like let's just putthem in cuffs, get them out of
here.
Fair enough, you could havedone that, but let's go in and
see what the employee herereally wants done.

(02:02:38):
No, I just want them out ofhere.
Criminal trespass Cool.
All right, sir, here's yourwarning, here's your thing.
Let's get you somewhere else.
So that's just how I roll.
We should be taught in schoolthe rules and regulations of the
place we live.
Seems fair.
I am a big fan of BrianThompson Wiener by Verizon.

(02:02:59):
And Brian Thompson wiener byVerizon.
No, it wasn't raw weenie, itwas through the underwear weenie
.
So he was very aware of what hewas doing.
Yeah, to be fair, it wasgetting cold.
I think he was trying to getahead of a possible cold front.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
He was a homeless guy .
He wanted a place to sleep.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Yeah, he wanted a place to sleep.
Yeah, three hats and a cot.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
And it happens.
That's part of when you workthose environments.
You know that cold nights liketonight in Dallas and Thursday
night y'all are supposed to getfour inches of snow in north
texas yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
so I had an idea.
I want you guys in the audiencekind of tell me if you think
this would work.
Um, cold weather is coming andthe shelters get filled up
really fast where I'm at.
So one of the things that Iwanted to do was, instead of
like the blankets and stuff likethat because all sorts of

(02:04:08):
organizations do this my outsidethe box idea was I wanted to
get some thermoses for myofficers, and if they found a
homeless person that didn't wantto go to the shelter because
we'll get those and we know it'sgoing to be freezing, cold
temperatures we'll have somethermoses that we can go back
and fill up with hot water orcoffee and bring it to them, and

(02:04:32):
it's something that they couldat least be hot and sip on while
they suffer in silence, becausethat, literally, is just how
some of these guys want to be.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Hey, that might be how you get your next sponsor.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
So you know, not only am I getting my homeless people
wasted, they're dying in thecold because I made them drink
whiskey.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Oh, but the idea is just now.
I think that's good.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
I mean have a thermos like something, so they could
constantly have something warmin their you know, in their
stomach, um, because I've donethe blanket thing and whatnot.
It doesn't.
It's nothing like havingsomething hot to drink while
you're you're cold.
I grew up in michigan, sothat's just me, um, and it's
supposed to be like 10 tonight.

(02:05:22):
Yeah, uh, I don't care who youare, that's fucking cold, um.
But yeah, somebody called me.
Sorry, I'm just looking at mymessages.
Um, they probably called whileI was doing this, obviously, um,
but yeah, that's the idea I had.
So let me go to the next videohere.
How long is this one?

(02:05:44):
Three minutes, okay.
Cool share screen.
Nope, that's the wrong one.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Here we go, biggie size andplay.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
Alright, you said it by the way, biggie size, I don't
even realize.
I said it and play All right,you said it.
By the way, biggie size, Idon't even realize.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
I said it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
We should have a counter.
What's up, man Stop.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
All right, I don't know why we're trying to pull
him over, but we have given alawful order.
Lights are on Fully markedpolice car.
He said stop and this guy's notstopping.

Speaker 5 (02:06:30):
Stop right there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
Stop right there.
He told him again Are youshitting me?
You hear what song he'slistening to?

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
Yeah, he's jamming to it too, buddy, he is jamming to
it too.

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
Buddy, he is on the bike.
Bro, if you get in a chase,listen to.
The girls want to have fun Iwould not let him live this down
.
He's clean, all right.
I've been calling outdirections all right end of the
night.
Guys, this isn't the biggestdeal in the world.

(02:07:04):
We don't know why we werecalled here.
I highly doubt he just happenedto come upon this guy riding a
bike and was like I'm gonna stophim, um.

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
But so I already have pc in my oh absolutely, he just
fucking ran across he doesn'thave lights to the rear.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
He he doesn't have lights to the front.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
He doesn't have a headlight.
Yeah, he doesn't have aheadlight.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
He needs to have a red light to the rear.
There's all sorts of littlethings you need.
He's riding on the wrong sideof the road.
You still got to act like aregular vehicle when riding a
bike.
Oh, he's digging.
I don't know that.
I agree with that.

(02:07:45):
All right, I hope we have areason for that maybe his hands
were full and the car justpulled I mean he was digging,
but I didn't tell you what hegot.
If he got anything, maybe he'sthrowing dope.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
What the fuck dude?
Seriously, what the fuck man?
I didn't fucking do that.
Why'd you do that?
What the fuck?
Put your hands behind yourfucking back.
Huh, I didn't fucking doanything.
Get on, you fucking hit me inthe car, bro.

Speaker 6 (02:08:19):
You're right, you did get in the car you did Holy
shit Listen him with a car youdid.
Holy.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
Listen, I'm telling you right now if that dude just
threw dope, that is not a reasonto hit him with your car, that
is not a reason to hit him witha car.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
So, Ozark said did you see the gun?

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
Okay, if he had a gun , that's different.

Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
It changes the whole game.
Okay, except for you don't wantto pull the light pole down on
your car.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
True?
Okay, I'll say this If it wasdope, no, you shouldn't hit him
with your car.
If it's a gun, yes, I'm okaywith that, because you cannot be
failing to stop from police andthen, in the process, digging a
gun out of your coat orwhatever.
No, we're not taking thatchance.
You're definitely going to gethit by the car.
Okay, some of you are toomotivated and are working ahead.

(02:09:08):
Slow down, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
We've never watched this.
What the fuck dude.
Ha, ha Ha.
I need to get my fucking legbro Sit.
Still I can't.
He must have cut the fuckingleg bro Sit still I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:09:23):
He must have cut the music off, though.
What'd you throw.
I love how plummy he is.
Yeah, the very tune.

Speaker 3 (02:09:32):
I mean, why the fuck did you stop me Get up?
You know why I just stopped me.
I stopped you because you werelaying on the ground.
I wasn't laying on the ground,bro.
Okay, get up.
I didn't even pick my backpackup.

Speaker 1 (02:09:45):
Like what the fuck dude?
Spread your feet.
He stopped him because he waslaying on the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
You can't lay on the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Is that not legal?
This looks like Florida, butI'm not sure If it's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
Florida, there's probably a law against it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
No laying on the ground at night I mean it
probably would be dumb.
There might be an alligator inthat ditch like possibly okay if
his reason was because he waslaying on the ground.
Yeah, that's weird, that's that.
That's not exactly where Iwould.
That's not, let's put it thatway.

(02:10:22):
However, if he was like thisdude laid down when I made the
corner and I believed he wastrying to lay down to evade me,
and it's nighttime, it'smidnight and we're in a
residential neighborhood andhe's out riding around on a bike
with no lights on, now we'vegot some articulation.
See how articulation works.
It starts to make a little moresense when you can put all

(02:10:43):
these factors together.
So you can't just hold what hesays here on camera necessarily
to the fire, because that may bewhat he went to put in his
report.
He just didn't tell this dude.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
Tim says the whole thing is messed up Seriously bro
, yeah, it is.
Where are you coming?

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
from I'm messed up Seriously, bro.
Yeah, it is.
Where are you coming?

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
from.

Speaker 3 (02:11:03):
I'm going to my house , bro.
Where are you coming from?
I'm going to Frank's house, man, where?
Is that.
Down in the W section, woodhull.
Maybe they're all freaking outover there, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
I'm going to pause it real quick for this question.
Freeman Key said Eric, can youever deal with someone?
I'm going to pause it realquick for this question.
Freeman Key said Eric, can youever deal with someone who is
armed?
Because most of the Floridavideos they have to disarm
everybody without a badge.
Serious question.
We deal with people in Texasthat are armed all the time.
I don't take their gun fromthem.
I don't disarm them Because,especially when they're like
yeah, I got a gun on my righthip, Okay cool, Just don't
reacharm them, because,especially when they're like

(02:11:40):
yeah, I got a gun on my righthip, Okay cool, Just don't reach
for that, please.
It's pretty much how we do it.
Florida may be different.
I'm not in Florida.
Cree Gordon said it's inFlorida.
Okay, so I was right, and you?

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
know I would say that you know a piece of us.
Being from Texas, we're alittle desensitized to seeing
guns and things like that and sowe are a lot.
We don't deal with it the sameway as if we were in another
state that doesn't have it aspopular as we do.
And you know it'd be like amagnet, you know a microscope,

(02:12:19):
because I could see how theywould focus on it because they
don't deal with it yeah, timsaid dude, shut up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
I'm talking to the guy in the video.

Speaker 3 (02:12:27):
All right, let's uh fucking do nothing wrong, bro.
I'm laying on the ground.
That's fucking crazy, bro.
My floor is fucking hitting youhard bro.
It's fucking insane.
I have to do my trick down,dude.
I'm not trying to be a dick,I'm not trying to run Like I
just want to fucking go home,man.

(02:12:48):
Like what the fuck?
Mike?
Mike, I'm not going to hit youwith a car, man.
I asked you to stop.
I know, but I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
I asked you to stop.
I know, but I don't know.
Here's my problem.
Like, if I was a defenseattorney and I was going to
start to tear this up, this copasked him what he threw.
Yep, like I would have beenlike, dude, I saw you toss a gun

(02:13:18):
, you know what I mean.
Like you just hit him with acar.
Did you know that he threw agun?
Are you trying?
You trying to like see if he'llown up to throwing the gun?
So I'm not necessarily saying hedidn't know that it was a gun,
but you asked him what he threw.
So if I'm gonna go to defenseattorney, I'm gonna be like well
, did you even you hit him witha car and you didn't know what
he threw?
Like if he had thrown a gun,like that makes sense.
Like you were defendingyourself, because a reasonable

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person doesn't start digging fora gun while cops actively
trying to pull them over and hasalready told him to stop and
has his lights and sirens goinglike and he's playing, girls
just want to have fun.
Like that doesn't make anysense.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
Well, I don't have to show where the handgun no
that's all there is that was aholster and a four gun.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
That last thing he was handing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
Oh was it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
His soft holster.

Speaker 1 (02:14:07):
Oh no, you're right, that is a holster.
Yeah, yeah.
Where did the handgun go?
That's what he's asking.
Where did the handgun go?
Okay, okay, stop sharing.
So, yeah, my thoughts andopinions on that, on the citizen
side of that like laying downis not a crime However, got to

(02:14:34):
take, in the totality of thecircumstances, a good cop and
you guys tell me if I'm wrong IfI'm going to be a good cop and
I'm going to be proactive andI'm going to try to stop crime
from happening, because, let'sface it, there's not a lot of
calls going out from midnight to4 am, but that's when the most
crimes happen, that's wheneverything's going down, that's

(02:14:54):
when people are breaking intoyour cars and breaking into your
house and your garages andtaking your shit.
So it's midnight and I see adude laying down in the dark on
a bike.
So I'm like, let me go over andmake contact with this dude and
he gets on his bike, he startsto pedal away.
I haven't lit my lights up yet,but then I noticed he's got no
lights on his bike.

(02:15:14):
He's riding around in the dark.
These things stand out.
So I try to make a stop.
I think that's reasonable,articulable suspicion.
Maybe something's afoot.
So now I tell you to stop, andyou don't, and you cut across
the road illegally.
Now you're on a public roadwaywith your bike, not having the
proper lighting, so we have alegal traffic stop.
You continue to flee and youstart digging in your, your coat

(02:15:37):
and the next thing we see is agun.
So if you articulate this theright way, if that was the way
you were thinking, yeah, I thinkthis was fine.
So, um, I'm not sure what y'all,what y'all, think about that.
Um, stan, the man said in mystate just announced you have
one.
There's usually not a issue.

(02:15:58):
They typically ask you what youhave and if you like it.
Yeah, you're not wrong.
That's usually how I start outmy conversation.
Um, if I don't ask everybodyeither, I'll pull them over.
If I pulled you over, hey,officer levine, reason I pulled
you over is for this, any reasonwhy you did that?
And then sometimes I have avery good excuse for why they

(02:16:18):
did what they did.
I'm like, all right, cool, thatmakes sense.
Me just run you and make sureyou're not, you know, wanted for
murder, um, or anything crazy,and I'll be right back and I'll
come back.
No, they're not wanted formurder.
Boom and uh.
That's the end of the stop forme.
But sometimes you get a littlefeeling and you're like you got

(02:16:43):
any weapons in the car.
Yeah, man, I got a glock 19 onmy right hip, okay, cool, uh,
just do me a favor, make surethat stays there.
Um, I'm gonna go back to my car.
If you could, could you just,for me, just keep your hands on
the window so while I'm in mycar, I can see that you didn't
dig for your gun and I'veexplained why.
And usually, if you explain why, the person's like oh yeah, I
didn't even think of that,because they're not a cop, they
don't think like we do.

(02:17:04):
Oh cool, yeah, I can do that.
I'm not gonna take your gunfrom you, but just do me that
courtesy.
And if they're like no, whichthey have the right to do, okay,
cool.
Well, what I'm gonna do is I'mgonna just hold off.
I'm gonna stay right here withyou.
I'm gonna ask for backup tocome so they can just keep an
eye while I'm back there,because the problem for me is
the officer safety.
I have to type stuff and lookdown a bunch, and that makes me

(02:17:28):
not have to have my eyes on you.
So that's an officer safetyissue.
So I'm going to wait foranother officer to get out here,
and once they get here, I'llfinish the rest of this and then
usually, oh, okay, well, I'llkeep my hands on the window for
you then.
Okay, cool, appreciate it.
Education's occurred,understanding's occurred, and
the why the why is the biggestpart People wondering why.

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So for any officers out therelistening and they're like, oh
shit, I never thought of that.
This is what time andexperience gets you.
I didn't think of it either.
It's not my idea, I got it fromsomebody else.
Little pieces from officersI've seen along the way.
I'm like, oh shit, I neverthought to have them put their
hands on the window.
That makes sense.
So what is that?

(02:18:11):
If it had been Depeche Mode, Iwould have expected more chase.
I like it.
Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of alittle bit of Beastie Boys
sabotage for a good police chase.
That's my go-to baby.
Let me go to the next videohere.

(02:18:36):
Brian Thompson oh shit, let meput that out there.
Brian Thompson Nope, I clickedthe wrong one has become a
Baker's Dozen member of ourYouTube channel.
Thank you so much.
I just want you to know that byyou guys becoming and you don't
hear me pitch this shit, guysIf you do it.
That means more to me than mesitting here being like hey,

(02:18:58):
could you guys become a member?
No, I don't do that shit, brian.
Your contributions are directlythe reason we're able to do what
we do.
There's no profit in what we do, it's all negative.
This website update I just didthat's 550 bucks a year.
I'm only saying this so youguys kind of have an idea of

(02:19:21):
what I'm trying to do.
If I could break even everyyear, great Been doing this four
years.
It costs for this program we'reusing to broadcast to you guys
live, to stream.
This in itself is another $550a year.
And then I have my editingsoftware.
That's a monthly cost.
They have the internet, thefiber to run to do this.

(02:19:43):
It's a cost.
This whole studio, the lighting, all this stuff has a cost.
And not on top of that I've gotfour other guys that are behind
us doing what we do.
So we're trying to geteverybody covered so we can at
least get this content out toyou and keep improving.
So thank you, brian, sincerelyfor your contribution.
That is what your money's goingto.
So I you, brian, sincerely foryour contribution.
That is what your money isgoing to.

(02:20:03):
So I want everybody to know.
If you do sign up and become amember, awesome, your money is
not going to anybody making shit, so I'm not filling my car up
with gas with it, trust me.
What did he say, mr Billfold?
Now there is enough of us,baker Dozen members, to motivate
you to get us some sweet badgesand emotes.

Speaker 2 (02:20:22):
We're still learning, we're figuring it out.

Speaker 1 (02:20:24):
How the fuck do I get you an emote?
Is that a thing I can make?
No emojis.
Emojis Is that something that Ido on?

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
my side, I think.
So I don't know.
I don't know if it's set up inYouTube or where it is.
I don't know, because I wastrying to add a donut emoji
earlier and it wouldn't let me.
Really, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:45):
Well, guys, if we're going to be honest, this is in
Alan's realm.
This is what he needs to get.
Some of the things we're tryingto get for the future is we're
trying to get Discord.
We want to get a Discordchannel.
We want to get Kick along withwe have Twitch along with we
have Twitch, but it's only amatter of time before Twitch
doesn't let me stream anymorebecause they don't like the gun
violence stuff that we see.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
So is what it is which amazes me, because you can
do video like playing games, ofall the videos.

Speaker 1 (02:21:15):
Right, right, tim said need a core sponsor, we're
Red Bull when you need them.
Yeah, right, I wish, I wish man.
Hey, we'll just keep doing itguys.
I'm never gonna stop doing thisbecause I just have fun doing
it.
It's fun for me and I'm hopingit makes a difference.
But, um, my brain and mysquirrelness as alan, I

(02:21:37):
constantly new ideas, new thingsthat I'm trying, uh.
So I'm going to keep doing it,but, yeah, let me go to the next
video.

Speaker 2 (02:21:46):
I would wonder, like how many hours a week you spend
on the show.

Speaker 1 (02:21:52):
Oh Lord.
Like it's pretty impressiveLike when I pop a video out
almost every day, I spend a lotof time.

Speaker 2 (02:21:59):
No, I mean, it's impressive.
I have to say it's uh, you'remotivated.
I, I love it.
Obsessive, compulsive that'syeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
Yeah, biggie says and play.
All right, let's go with thenext one service number seven
nine zero.

Speaker 5 (02:22:16):
Can you start me at 10 19?

Speaker 6 (02:22:19):
I need a 1019 for AP.
Come here, we're going to be onthe right side of the car.

Speaker 2 (02:22:22):
I thought I recognized that.
Come on, move over what's up,sir.

Speaker 6 (02:22:26):
I'll go to the front of my car.
Come on, move over.

Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
You're not under arrest.
You're detained right now.
Walk over there.
What?

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
Okay, I'm not upset with the conversation.
Why man he's asking questions?
Asking questions it's his rightto do.
He tells him you're not underarrest, but you are detained
because he wanted him to comeover in front of the car.
He's like no, am I under arrest?
And said no, but you aredetained.

Speaker 6 (02:22:49):
We're crossing the street without a crosswalk.
Go, walk over there.

Speaker 1 (02:22:53):
Okay, for crossing the street without a crosswalk.
Okay, it is a law in someplaces.
I don't think it is where I'mat, but it actually.
Yeah, it is a law in someplaces.
I don't think it is where I'mat, but it actually yeah, it is,
yeah, it is yeah it is I forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
Yeah, um jaywalking, I guess you should say um so
well, and you, we, you knowworking that beat, he probably
knows this guy, he probably ohyeah, yeah, there's something
else going on behind some ofthis yeah, they're using it just
to make contact.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
So let's see, see how this plays out.

Speaker 3 (02:23:28):
I ain't looking for an apology.
Come over here right now,before I put you in handcuffs,
sir.

Speaker 1 (02:23:33):
Okay, we're Okay.
Again, not my style, but I'mnot going to.
I'm not going to get onto thisguy.
Again, not my style, but I'mnot going to get onto this guy.
We're trying to get him over.
So for me, from here, I woulddo the reset.
I like playing the reset.
Hey, sorry, I have had a badday.
Let me apologize.

(02:23:54):
Can you please come over hereso we can talk?
I don't want you close to theroad, but you are detained.
See where that gets me.

Speaker 3 (02:24:07):
That's where I would go from here.

Speaker 1 (02:24:08):
I listen to shit Come over here.

Speaker 3 (02:24:10):
I apologize.
All right, come over here rightnow.
Get over here right now, stop.
I'm sorry, dude, I ain'tlooking for an apology, I'm
sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
All right, now I'm getting indicators that you're
going to run, so now we're goingto have some problems.
How deep do you want to go?
For me personally, this is justme, and you guys can get pissed
off at me all you want.
If this guy goes and rabbits,I'm done.
I'm not chasing him.

(02:24:41):
Nope, I'm done.
I'm not chasing him.
Nope, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm like fuck it, I ain't goingafter him.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
I was trying, I was digging I'm probably going to
put my foot on his bag.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, if I can get there,because I don't think he's going
to leave without his bag.
That's what on behind him.

Speaker 1 (02:25:05):
Right, right.
So for me it's not.
This ain't worth it.
For me I'm not.
I'm not.
You know, cree Gordon said isit a justifiable stop?
Yes.
Is it a chicken shit?
Stop, yes.
But again, we don't know thehistory of this guy.
This might be somebody theyknow and they've been trying to
get slipping and he finallyslipped and so they got him.

(02:25:27):
You know typically, and he'sgot the whole burglar profile
going on.
So let's see.

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
You know what?
I'm sorry, man, take it off.

Speaker 6 (02:25:39):
Oh well, this is running Left the bag, all right,
I'm sorry man Take off oh he'srunning, left the bag, all right
, I'm on my way, he's strippingeverything.

Speaker 3 (02:25:46):
Into a parking garage .
Stop, Motherfucker, get yourass out of here fucking.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Oh, it's the sketch.
I'm taking corners slower, he'sgoing into them hard, I'm not.
Corners slower, he's going intothem hard, I'm not doing that,
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26:08):
So there he's, right in front of us.
Get the fuck on the ground.
Oh, he just got over.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
I'm getting into a basketball jersey.
Now he's been in threedifferent outfits.

Speaker 6 (02:26:21):
We got a video call.
Who's over?
I don't have.
He's been in three differentoutfits.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
This is a Crown Big Stop, wasn't it?
Sounds like it.
I'm not going to lie.
If it's a homeless dude andwe're chasing him a long time,

(02:26:52):
my guard starts to go down.
It really does, unintentionally, but it does start to go down.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
Fuck you up.
You're going to get tased, bro.
I'm going to fucking tase you.
Get the fuck on the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Get up there, get up there, get up there.
He's the only one he has afucking gun.
That's good information to have.
So he sees a gun.
I'm glad you found it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:28):
How many times do you go to the range and
purposefully shoot?
One handed Never.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
Other than you know when you're told to.

Speaker 2 (02:27:37):
Yeah because your arm has been shot, or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (02:27:40):
Well, he was dual wielding to yeah, yeah, because
your arm has been shot orsomething.
The shot's fired.

Speaker 1 (02:27:45):
Well, he was dual wielding, he was transitioning.

Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Oh yeah, he was.
He had that taser out, didn'the?

Speaker 1 (02:27:57):
He was the only one shooting.
Again, nobody else shot.
That's something to question.
Yeah.
That looks like he's trying toshoot himself.
Yep, is that the position yousee?
Yep, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28:16):
Oh, and that's what 40 yards?
I mean 30 yards.
Yeah, that looks like a gooddistance, and that's what 40
yards I mean 30 yards, Shit.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
yeah, that looks like a good distance, but I'm going
to go back just a little bit.
You don't hear.

Speaker 3 (02:28:31):
I don't hear any gunfire other than this dude.

Speaker 5 (02:28:41):
And there's a fucking gun Drop it, drop it.
I hear him saying drop it, dropit.

Speaker 2 (02:28:49):
I hear him saying drop it that one over here.
The tree shot too, are you sure?
Yeah, there's.
I hear another gunshot that washim.
I hear another gunshot that washim that was him.

Speaker 5 (02:29:22):
That was him.
Now.
There was one one like inbetween.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
Oh yeah, I did hear it.
Yeah, you're right.
Somebody else clipped that.
Who was it?
Marine Blood said he unalivedhimself, so that may have been
the shot.

Speaker 2 (02:29:36):
Yeah, it could have been.

Speaker 1 (02:29:37):
Yeah, absolutely Damn .
I don't know, man, I'm not, Idon't think I would, when you're
holding yourself hostage likethat.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
Well, I mean, there's so many there's like in that
there was several pieces ofcover, like I don't know.
It just makes you like when didthe gun come?
Like he's lucky.
Honestly, he didn't fall downin that water ravine, like you
know.
He started to slip when he wascoming up with the taser in his

(02:30:14):
hand and you've talked about itin the past, about running with
a taser or gun out.

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
Yeah, just going through the comments here.
Running with a taser or gun outyeah, just going through the
comments here, cree said I thinkhe had a taser in the left hand
.
Yeah, I believe you're right.
Angry Sarge said the way hedropped looked like he shot
himself.
Yeah, so I think you're right.
And David Edmondson brings up agood point.

(02:30:41):
It could be the echoes of theshots Definitely possible.
Freeman said Eric, can I sendyou an email?
I have a question that we can'ttalk about in here.
Awesome, not a big deal.
Yeah, two cops, one donut atyahoocom I'll actually type it
out in the chat and two cops onedonut at yahoocom.

Speaker 2 (02:31:08):
mr bill phil, who's gonna pay the jaywalking ticket?

Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
now we're fine, now right.
And and then, ultimately, whenyou get involved ina shooting
this is something officers haveto consider.
Like when you get into ashooting, they are going to come
after you and be like what wasthe offense, and then you it's
going to be jaywalking Likethat's what's going to come of
that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:31:28):
And in the state of Texas you're going to grand jury
.
It's not a question, yeah, likeit's going to happen.
And what that means is, ifthere's an officer shooting like
this, that you have to go tothe district attorney's office
and you know they're going toput you in front of the grand
jury and present the case likethey would any other case and

(02:31:51):
it's going to be billed or nobill.
And you know if it's a goodshooting, then it's no bill.
If it's a bad shooting, thenit's going to be billed and
there's going to be a warrant.

Speaker 1 (02:32:03):
You're going to go through the whole thing like
anybody else.
I want to take a second becauseI don't do this a whole lot.
I always forget, but we havepeople that are helping the show
, do what we do.
So shout out to Peregrine.
So, guys, this is just for lawenforcement people.
If you're in law enforcementand you want to change the way
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(02:32:26):
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If you go to our website, youwill find under our sponsors
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Just let them know that TwoCops, one Donut sent you.
Also, we are sponsored by GhostPatch.
They're the ones that make ourmetal badges.
They make our patches and ourcoins.
Alan is showing the coin.

(02:32:48):
I think you also have the patch, don't you, sir?
I do.
They're not too terrible.
The badge is expensive, thebadges.
If you hear that they metal,they're expensive.
It's a real fucking badge.
So they're not cheap.
They're not cheap for us either, so they're a little pricey.

Speaker 2 (02:33:10):
But actually the.

Speaker 1 (02:33:11):
The coin's pretty cool, man, it's like 3d and then
on the back yep it's like yeah,heavy, although yours is all
backwards because, because youhave your thing mirrored, oh
yeah.
But yeah, the coins are prettysweet.
I don't even have one myself,but yeah, that's another way to
help support the page and you'dbe getting something back

(02:33:33):
instead of just, you know, doinga membership thing.
But yeah, if you guys want tohelp us out and then one other
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really doesn't help most of youguys, only the law enforcement
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(02:33:57):
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All of these are on our webpageunder our current sponsors and
you guys can find them there.
So thank you very much.
Okay, now that we got theformalities out of the way.

Speaker 2 (02:34:11):
Um, I love how you like.

Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
Honestly, I do like the fact that you don't like
breathe it down everybody'sthroat, and it's that part of it
like yeah well, the thing thatI think is, like, if you're most
people that want any of thosethings, message me and I just
tell them oh yeah, go here.
Yeah, it's like you know, ifyou don't say it either, like

(02:34:36):
then you piss off your sponsors.
Be like, well, what the fuckare we trying to help you for?
If you're not helping us, I'mlike well off your sponsors.
Be like, well, what the fuckare we trying to?

Speaker 2 (02:34:42):
help you, for if you're not.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
So I'm like, well, it doesn't work, like, but what do
I know?
I'm not a fucking marketinggenius, mr, I'd like my badge
made of lead, please, and thankyou.
Um, sir, I don't.
I think you're getting uh, allthe tin they have out there.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
I don't it's pretty heavy dude like it's yeah, it's
a.

Speaker 1 (02:35:03):
This is better than my real badge.
No, I would completely agree.
This is better than my realbadge.

Speaker 2 (02:35:08):
This is a beefy, some bitch I already told, like my
department, they needed toswitch from who they've been
using for 40 years.
I'm like, yeah, guys, they makea better quality piece of.
Yeah, it is a beefy badge.

Speaker 1 (02:35:22):
So, um, all right, we're gonna keep going.
Let's go.
Let's get another video up here.
Uh, let's see share screen.
Yes, sir, boom, boom, boom,boom, biggie size and play.
Okay, yeah, we're playing.
All right, we're at a reallyfun house, all right.

(02:35:50):
We've used a first name rightout the gate, so that is
something to take note of.
We know who we're dealing with.
Um, we've got the typical whena a cop rolls up rabbit eyes.
I'm going to get the fuck outof here, so they don't try to
stop me.
Uh, to see if that works,you're under arrest.

(02:36:10):
Don't run.
Automatically you're underarrest, don't run.
So you do not have anything inyour defense to say I didn't
know.
He's told you and that kind oflooks like a box cutter in the
right left hand.
I think it was a phone.
It could be a phone.

Speaker 2 (02:36:30):
When his hand was up higher.

Speaker 1 (02:36:32):
Yeah, I'm just saying what it looks like right now.
That kind of looks like a boxcutter, but that could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:36:38):
Nope, nope, do not run.
Put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 2 (02:36:44):
put your hands behind your back okay, I saw that
backpack coming off just likethat when he grabbed it so for
me.

Speaker 1 (02:36:51):
I've already told you you're under arrest and now
you're starting to run.
I am taking your ass to theground.
You're going down quick, fastand in a hurry.
A hurry, that's me.
If I know that you are underarrest and you continue to do
this, there's no de-escalation.
You're going to the ground.
Got it out on the radio.

(02:37:25):
I'm so confused at where we'reat.
He's digging.

Speaker 3 (02:37:44):
Do not reach, do not reach.

Speaker 1 (02:37:47):
What the fuck is he grabbing?
He got something.
Drop it, nigga.

Speaker 7 (02:37:50):
Drop it and he called him an N-word.
Let go of it Knee strikes rightthere no.

Speaker 1 (02:38:01):
No, I'm not, not me personally.
I am controlling like there'sno, I'm saying you know if I'm
not the guy, if there's twoofficers there, yes, yeah, okay,
right now, in the position he'sin, he's in a mounted it looks
like he's in a mounted position.
For me, control is of theutmost importance right now and

(02:38:24):
I'm going to try to keep thathand with the needle under
control because I'm not gettingstuck with that bullshit.

Speaker 3 (02:38:31):
Drop the needle.
Drop it now.
Get off my fucking arms.
Drop the needle, get off me.

Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
If you have a child 12 or older and you'd like to
get into the best universitypossible?
I have something very importantto tell you.
Okay, I like he's trying tobreak it of some sort.
Yeah, let's keep going Drop theneedle.

Speaker 3 (02:38:59):
There we go, go on your stomach.

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
Now he's got him in what we like to call a.
Just let me up dude and I'llget on.

Speaker 3 (02:39:09):
Just let me up.
Dude just let me up and I'llget on my head.

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
It's not a speed belt position.
I can't think of what the nameof the position is.

Speaker 7 (02:39:18):
I'm telling you, just let me up and I'll put my head
down what the name of thisposition is.

Speaker 3 (02:39:22):
I'm telling you, just let me up and I'll put my hands
down.

Speaker 1 (02:39:26):
See, this is.
There's no time for debate here.
You don't get to.
Just let me get up and I'll.
No, you've forfeited any sort ofarguments towards your position
here.
You're going to listen toexactly what I say, and from
here, where we need him to go isto his stomach.
Yep, um, the way that gift wrapthat's what that's called.

(02:39:46):
He's got his arm.
It's a gift wrap position iswhat we call it in a jujitsu.
So what I want is I'm I'mholding that wrist and I'm going
to keep pulling that wristuntil he gets flat on his
stomach and it's going tocontinue to be like this around
his.
It's going to look like it'schoking him, but it's not.
It's not choking him at all.
But, um, what it is doing iscontrolling his body.

(02:40:07):
So you're going to get thatgriff gift wrap position, put
him to his stomach, and then nowwe're going to use that arm
that's in the gift wrap positionto start putting him into a
handcuffing position.
So then, once we get him intothat handcuffing position, um,
and he's secured, then we canstart doing all that shit this
negotiation, shit about youhaving some control over what's
happening.

(02:40:28):
You lost all that when youdecided to fight and then try to
pull a fucking needle on me andinfect me with whatever god
knows what you have.
Um, yeah, because the thegrabbing the needle is is more
heinous, in my opinion, than youjust trying to stab me with a
knife.

Speaker 5 (02:40:44):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:40:47):
Okay, you try to stab me with a knife, that's a,
that's a.
You know, in the moment passionthing, okay, stabbings happen,
I get it.
But you stabbing me with aneedle, you telling me you know
something about what that needleis going to have on it needle
you're telling me you knowsomething about what that needle
is going to have on it.

Speaker 2 (02:41:02):
Yeah, I mean, look you saw his hands and how
infected and all that he'sdouble sticking and yeah, that's
enough yeah, no fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (02:41:11):
Marine blood said uh, I once found a needle embedded
in a package of diapers, of allthe things to do.
Hopefully, whoever left itwasn't injecting themselves with
something.
Yeah, mr Billfold said okay,there needs to be pressure on
the carotid or small joint.
That you can't, mr Billfold.
You can't put pressure on thecarotid, not in police work or

(02:41:35):
small joint manipulation.
Agreed, that's what he's doingwith this gift wrap, that is,
this is actually a very goodspot for control.
I do this, me personally.
I do this one all the time.
This is my go-to.
Once they're on the ground, Iwant to get them in a gift wrap.
Survival tactics, which is whatlaw enforcement should be

(02:42:03):
learning.
Shout out to Gracie's survivaltactics.
I was an instructor for themfor a little bit.
This is one of the mainpositions they teach, but this
is where they should be.
A crippling level of pain usedto gain control.
I'm not against the paincompliance, absolutely.
You're trying to stab me with athing.
Could you justify carotid whenthey're trying to stab me with a

(02:42:23):
thing?
Could you justify carotid whenthey're trying to stab you with
a needle?
He?

Speaker 2 (02:42:27):
knows who he is.

Speaker 1 (02:42:29):
I think you could.
Alan, are you going to risk it?
Nope, I don't think I'm goingto risk it either.
This is what's happened to lawenforcement.
You guys, you've scared us awayfrom the neck.
So bad.
I just I'm not going to touchthat motherfucker, not gonna
touch that neck unless, like,because ultimately, a needle
isn't going to kill meimmediately well, and I think

(02:42:52):
you know, uh, that for me, I'vetold him several times and we're
we're gonna go to work.

Speaker 2 (02:43:00):
Yeah, you know, I I think there's a little too much
talking going on here and wejust need to handle business and
yep get it done, let's keepgoing your stomach

Speaker 7 (02:43:13):
no, just let me get the up, dude, and I'll put my
hands behind my back.
Put my hands behind my back.

Speaker 3 (02:43:21):
Just let me get up Dude, roll onto your stomach.
I can't fucking roll onto myfucking stomach.
Listen to what I'm saying, dude, just let me up.
Listen to what I'm saying Putmy hands behind my back.

Speaker 1 (02:43:31):
This guy's trying to have a level of control over the
situation.
That's what this is.
This happens a lot and you cantell those people right away.

Speaker 3 (02:43:43):
He's trying to make excuses why he can't roll onto
his stomach and he's lying.
It's not true.
Listen to what I'm saying.
I'm gonna roll you on your side.
I'm gonna roll you on your side.
Put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your
back.
Put your hands behind your back.
You fucking motherfucker dude,stop.

Speaker 6 (02:44:03):
Weird he got to his stomach.
How did that happen?
Ha ha.

Speaker 7 (02:44:09):
Bro, you don't have to be like that.
Just pick me up and I'll gofucking quietly.
Just pick me the fuck up, dude,fuckin' idiot.

Speaker 3 (02:44:29):
Just get them out of here.
So we tried to go out on a limbfor any officers out there
Anytime you've told somebodythey need to calm down right now
.
That's what you need to dofirst.

Speaker 1 (02:44:39):
I'm just going to go out on a limb for any officers
out there.
Anytime you've told somebodythey need to calm down, has that
ever worked?
Has it ever worked in thehistory of policing?
Hey, you need to calm down andthey're like ah, I think I got a
black eye that one time.

Speaker 2 (02:44:54):
I told my wife to calm down.

Speaker 1 (02:44:59):
Oh man, let me see.
Mr Belfort said yes, it's a wayof applying pressure to a
finger joint.
It's unbelievably painful andit's easy to hold on to.
Oh, I know what he's talkingabout.
Just the knuckle lock.
Yeah, it does hurt, he ain'tlying.
The problem is if you break it.

(02:45:20):
So I love the peanut gallery.
Did you hear them like tellingthem that they're wrong for what
they're doing to this guy?
And this is this is thedifference between what is
actually happening versus whatyou see.
And we all seen this dudeintentionally trying to get a
needle out to stab the officer.

(02:45:40):
Meanwhile, this peanut gallerynever saw any of that.
So she's back there talkingsome shit.
So Freeman said they need tocalm down and relax from the
cop's vernacular.

Speaker 3 (02:46:00):
That's all I fucking asked in the beginning is just
to fucking get me up on my feetand put my hands down, my
fucking back.
Take a breath.
See that type of behavior rightthere.

Speaker 1 (02:46:05):
Yeah, he just tried to kick his legs into the car.

Speaker 3 (02:46:07):
Yeah, I understand that Stop resisting.

Speaker 7 (02:46:09):
Stop kicking against officers, stop being a fucking
cunt dude.
Stop being a fucking cunt, okay.

Speaker 3 (02:46:14):
Well, we're going to be here as long as you need to
be here, don Don't try and biteme, you motherfucker bro.
Just stand me, the fuck up,dude.

Speaker 1 (02:46:24):
You need to calm down , you need to take a breath and
you need to listen to what we'retelling you.
Just stand me the fuck up, bro.
No, that's not how this works.

Speaker 7 (02:46:30):
Dude, you fucking break my fucking hand.
Dude, I'm going to fuckingsmash.
I'm not even putting pressureon you.
Ah, dude, I'm not talking abouttouching your hand.
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 2 (02:46:39):
He says I'm the only one touching your hand, we're
not moving you until you relaxand are compliant with us?

Speaker 7 (02:46:44):
No, but I'm not going to fucking relax and be fucking
compliant, then we're going tostay here for a minute.
Dude, take a fuck off me bro.
You need to take a breath, bro.
Just let me the fuck up y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:47:02):
Marine Boyd said rephrase calm down with wo.
Rephrase Calm Down with Lusa,bad boys reference.

Speaker 7 (02:47:07):
Can you just tell me Cap?
That's all I fucking asked youto fucking let me up dude,
that's all I asked.

Speaker 1 (02:47:18):
Alright, I'm going to stop this from here.
Just because you don't get any.
You don't get to try to stab mewith the needle and then
request things.
It's all I ask.
It's all I ask.
No, fuck off, we're done.
You've lost any rapport thatyou're going to gain with me.
Banning said people calm downfor me when I ask nicely.

(02:47:39):
I think what Banning's reallysaying is people calm down for
him when he asks nicely, becauseyou're a fucking monster yeah,
we wouldn't have to worry aboutthat, any of that video with
banning.

Speaker 2 (02:47:50):
Yeah, because they're gonna be locked up and they're
like here, let me put my hand onmy back.
Yeah, that's horse shit banning.

Speaker 1 (02:47:58):
uh, tim said this guy looks totally calm.
So nice Eye of the Night saidmy favorite is when cops start
yelling calm down at distraughtparents of the family who are
dealing with a loss missing orinjury.
Yeah, yeah, that is yourcomplete officer that doesn't
know how to read social cues.

Speaker 2 (02:48:20):
That does happen.
Is that a requirement in lawenforcement?

Speaker 1 (02:48:23):
It is not.
It's one of those things, youknow somebody was mentioning and
talking about it earlier, asfar as you know hiring process
and whatnot and one of thethings that we can't do, guys,
that I wish we could, is hirefor social skills.
It's not a thing, no-transcript.

(02:48:47):
What are you drinking there,mister?
I'm not gonna say it because Ican't say it on here, but you
know exactly what I'm thinkingright now.
You know exactly what I'mthinking about you drinking that
.
I don't agree with that, sir.
How dare you?
that is not two cops one.

(02:49:10):
Two Cops One Donut approved atall.

Speaker 2 (02:49:12):
That's because you didn't send me home with that
bottle.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:49:15):
Yeah, so that's your fault.
Full discretion here.
I meant to send Alan home witha bottle of booze for all his
work that he did over here, andI was out of it, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:49:28):
I will have to say you have a past, because when I
saw you yesterday I was like,yeah, you need to go back inside
.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
I don't want whatever you have.
My brain just wasn't fullyfunctioning, but yeah, I can't
say what I want to say.
But y'all know damn well thatthat drink is not two cops one
donut approved.

Speaker 2 (02:49:51):
So I'm going to have to work on this.
Sorry, I can't do the beer,Freeman Keyes said does.
Alan squat to pee.

Speaker 1 (02:49:59):
All right, fuckers, let him have it, y'all Let him
have it If it ain't whiskey andit ain't Coors.

Speaker 2 (02:50:07):
I'm allergic to beer.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (02:50:10):
Yep yep.

Speaker 2 (02:50:11):
Thank you, Mr Bill Full hey, what'd he say?

Speaker 1 (02:50:14):
I missed it uh, I drink those too.
Oh oh, does he really I?
Will support you yeah, steve,steve got your ass.
Steve couldn't find a Zima.

Speaker 2 (02:50:34):
He's dropping his Jolly Ranchers.

Speaker 1 (02:50:35):
Dude, I haven't seen a Zima in years.
He's dropping his JollyRanchers down there to make them
taste better Skittles.
I remember girls doing thatwith Zima dropping Skittles in
there James Monday.
James Monday that's probablyhis first time ever commenting
and he said he sits to fart.

Speaker 2 (02:50:53):
Glad to have him on board.
Thanks, james.
Monday I'm here to support deepburn.

Speaker 1 (02:50:59):
That's such deep burn .
I love it.
Oh, mr Bill, I sit with Alan Ihave to.

Speaker 2 (02:51:07):
I'm going to go put a star on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:51:12):
We got a new hashtag, folks.
I sit with Alan oh Freeman saidand was that a straw?
Do you have a straw in yourbottle?

Speaker 2 (02:51:21):
No, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:51:22):
Oh my God, the Lord help you.
If you did, that would havebeen the end of Alan.
He would have been retired fromTwo Cops, one Donut.
He had a straw in his drink.

Speaker 2 (02:51:33):
I'm gonna go get one just for that.
Oh, my stomach hurts.
You're not getting a discordnow?

Speaker 1 (02:51:45):
oh you fools.
You got me, you got me good, ohshit, all right, let's go.
The next video is only a minute23, so let's go.
We'll probably cut it off atabout three.

Speaker 2 (02:51:55):
My eyes, my face, hurts from laughing oh my gosh,
yes, tim, that I don't havefacial hair because, alright,
alright.

Speaker 1 (02:52:13):
Biggie says that there, bam, that's a door, that
is a door, holy hell, I wantthat.
Where's the baby?
Oh choking baby.

(02:52:36):
Where's the baby?
Oh Choking baby oh.

Speaker 7 (02:53:04):
Just start pounding on that back if I'm down there,
you go, there you go.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:53:08):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:53:09):
Yes, yes.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:53:12):
Yes, yes, yes, I got an album, all right.
Oh, here comes the firedepartment Good job.

Speaker 1 (02:53:15):
Yeah God, that is an emotional fucking roller coaster
.
Because while you're doing it,when you get there and you're
going through that like you'renot thinking about anything,
just beat the shit out of thisbaby and get that crap out of
him.
And the moment you hear thatcry, that's all you're waiting

(02:53:37):
for and it's just like, oh, theneverything hits you all at once
.
You may have just started yourshift and it will feel like
you've just pulled a 15-hourshift and you're going to be
like, oh my God, I'm done, holda 15 hour shift.
And you're going to be like, ohmy God, I'm done.
And that's where goodsupervisors hopefully step up

(02:53:57):
and tell their guys like, hey,go home, don't worry about your
timesheet.
I wouldn't do that at my job.
Wink.
But um, don't worry about yourtimesheet, just go home.
Like I don't, I don't need you.
I know, I know the ups anddowns of that um which, which
goes for officer involvedshootings and anything like that

(02:54:18):
as well, but like holy hell,man, that was I think we both,
like you, could hear us gasp.

Speaker 2 (02:54:26):
It was yeah, because I've been there and like
immediately, like things.

Speaker 1 (02:54:30):
As soon as I saw it, my only got like cause
everything is time now, like getgoing, do something, I don't
care what it is.
I posted a video the other dayof a foreign cop another country
it might've been like militarypolice style and he was
literally like sucking thebaby's face.
It's a technique I'd never seenbefore and he's pounding and he

(02:54:52):
just started sucking out thebaby's face the technique I'd
never seen before and he'spounding and he just started
sucking out the baby's face andit it fucking worked like
immediately worked, and he savedthe baby.
And I was like, oh my God, likethis needs to be shared.
This is the good shit where yousee cops.
It needs to go out there.
Never seen that.

Speaker 2 (02:55:08):
It's kind of like you know.
I do have to say, though, likeyou never seen, that it's kind
of like you know.

Speaker 1 (02:55:15):
I do have to say, though, like you know, that
would suck if it dislodged andyou're like now you're sucking
like, yeah, yeah, you know, it'skind of like that.

Speaker 2 (02:55:20):
Uh, you know.
So I have two kids.
I have a 22 year old and thenwe have a nine year old, or
he'll be nine this year.
Yeah, and the separation nowthey had that.
You know.
The next one, you had the likesnot thing that you suck the
tube and I'm like I can't do it,just can't, can't do it.
Yeah, I'll go back to thelittle you know bulb thing, you

(02:55:43):
know.
So sorry, no, you're good I hadone of those visual moments
there.

Speaker 1 (02:55:48):
It was like yeah, yeah, and there's talks.
One of the guys were talkingabout that device that they have
out there.
That will just pull it out, soit sucks it out, basically.
Um, the officer I'm referringto didn't have that.
My man went manual mode, justcrazy like.

Speaker 2 (02:56:06):
I wonder if milwaukee makes that tool cement cut.

Speaker 1 (02:56:10):
80 said those are expensive plungers.
Yeah, that's really what theyare.
They're face plungers forchoking people.
That's awesome, um, but theyfucking work.
Man, definitely work.
There's another thing that I'veseen out there that I want.
Um, it's a uh tourniquet thatstays wrapped around your thigh
both thighs, and that's just howyou work.

(02:56:30):
So if you do get take one tothe leg, there's no getting in
the tourniquet out, it's justthere and you just start
ratcheting that shit down yeah,pretty badass.
I don't know what company makesit, but I've been wanting to
look more into it.
I seen a another officer thathad one.
Um, so pretty badass.
Um, all right, let's see, Ihave one video left, so, and

(02:56:52):
we're right at that three hourmark so, or just under it.
So, yeah, let's fucking, it'sthree minutes.
Let's uh.
Oh, you know what did youalready watch it we've already
watched it.
Yeah, that's, we've alreadywatched that one.
Uh, we watched it on thepodcast.
So, yeah, yeah, so we won'twatch that one.

Speaker 2 (02:57:11):
We watched it on the podcast, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:57:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:57:13):
So we won't watch that one.

Speaker 1 (02:57:15):
What we will do is we will sit here and bullshit with
you guys for the next threeminutes and see what else people
have to say.
Yeah, check out Tim's TikTok.
He's plugging it on there.
He goes.
My shameless TikTok plug, lowcontrast.
Check him out on TikTok.
James Monday is asking whereare you guys from?
I am from originally Flint,michigan.

(02:57:38):
I no longer live there afterjoining the military, moved out,
went to Montana.
I'm now a cop in the North DFWarea of Texas.
I won't say specifically wherebecause I keep the podcast stuff
that I do here separate from myjob, so I don't get fired.
Not that they would fire mejust outright.
They actually like what I do.
At least the chief told me that.

(02:57:59):
So but yeah, where I'm at isone of the 12 largest
departments in the nation andabout one to 1.2 point million
one to 1.2 million people in thecity that I work.
And Alan, where are you from?
Buddy?

Speaker 2 (02:58:16):
From the Lubbock Texas area, so northwest Texas,
and I work in a little town 30miles southwest of Lubbock.

Speaker 1 (02:58:27):
Hell yeah, brother.
And if you're wondering, wehave more people that are part
of the Two Cops One Donutnetwork thing that we got going
on here.
We've got Trey Mosley.
He's a California cop.
We have Banning Sweatland,who's actually lurking tonight.
He was supposed to be on buthe's sick, so he's just watching
.
He is a North Texas deputy.

(02:58:49):
We have Matt Thornton, who's aChicago area cop, and then we
have Daniel Carr, who is aAlbuquerque retired officer who
has a law degree now and isabout to start practicing law I
guess he passed the bar, I'llput it, I'll leave it there so
and he runs a thing calledPolice Law News.

(02:59:12):
So check him out.
You can find his social If youguys go to our new website.
I'm going to pull it up againbecause I'm so excited about
having my new website Now thatit's finally done.
My cousin did great work,anthony Newman.
Check him out, he's a great guy.
We are going to share our newpodcast screen guy.
We are going to share our newpodcast screen.

(02:59:34):
So if you go to our bio, so youclick on our bio, you will see
all of us.
You'll actually see I'm wearingthe same shirt Alan's wearing
tonight and you'll get to learna little bit about us, where
we're from, what we're doing,and if you're like well, why

(02:59:54):
isn't Alan on there?
Well, alan originally is abehind-the-scenes guy but he's
more and more coming to become afront man.
He's like our Jamie on JoeRogan he's our Jamie.
So if you guys come check outour podcast page, this has been
a year running.

(03:00:14):
We've done a lot to get thisprofessionally done by my cousin
.
That's what he does, and you'llfind out more about us If
there's anything to our websitethat you'd like us to add.
One of the things we're workingon is a Discord channel.
That's one of the things thatwe're going to try to get going.
But, yeah, tim Owen said yeah,really like Matt Thornton's
TikToks.

(03:00:35):
Yeah, he is, he's awesome.
One of the things that broughtus all together is our mission.
Guys, we all kind of have thesame goal we want to improve law
enforcement, but we don't wantit to be an echo chamber of cops
just blowing each other Likethat's not what we're about.
We do screw up.
We need to talk about where wescrew up, how we fix it, and you

(03:00:59):
know that that's what Mattexcels at.
Um, that's one of the thingsthat I tried to do.
Um, I, I have a we and we allhave our own ways of doing it.
Like, matt's got his style,he's got his experiences.
I've got my style, myexperiences, trey being a young
guy, young California cop.
Like he's going to havedifferent ways he does things.

(03:01:20):
And then you know Daniel, he'sretired.
You know he may get back intolaw enforcement who knows?
He's young, he's like in hisforties, but he's retired from
law enforcement, so he's goingto have his style banning.
The same way, he's a deputyversus me.
I was a city cop, so there'sgoing to be differences.
So highly recommend you guys goto the bio and when you go to

(03:01:43):
the bio you will actually seeall of those guys' social media
stuff.
If you click find banning here,find Matt here, you'll see all
of their social media stuff.
So you don't just have to cometo our website Now.
You can come to our website andthen find each one of us and
all the stuff that they put out,because, like Daniel, he puts

(03:02:05):
out stuff all over the place.
So I'm not trying to monopolizeon what he does on his own time
.
I just want you guys to knowwhere to find a good dude um.
So that's what we got going onthere.
Uh, if tim is the official painin the butt, I'm the official
ash.
I'm the official ass itched, mrbillfold.

Speaker 2 (03:02:25):
Oh man, listen that's the best part.
These guys are like they have awhole side conversation that
you know.
We're trying to keep up with it, but they go so fast.

Speaker 1 (03:02:36):
It's like yeah, yeah it is hard, especially because
and this is why Alan's supposedto be a behind the scenes guy is
because he's supposed to keepup for it, to it for us and then
send us the stuff that we needto talk about.
But everybody was off or sicktonight.
So I was like, hey man, I don'twant to go solo, so jump on
here, stan.
The man said you're not allowedto be sick.

(03:02:57):
Banning, get well soon.
I the night said I thinkbanning just didn't want to deal
with eric tonight.
Fair, that is fair.
But um, yeah, one of the thingswe really like and I was just
about to point out is that youguys really do help police.
I don't mean to say it that way, but you do help police each

(03:03:18):
other.
You know, one of the thingswe're trying to avoid here is
just having trolls come in.
Just a troll, like relax, like,if you want to go troll an echo
chamber of cops, blowing copsand punishers with thin blue
lines thrown like fair, go trollthose guys.
But we're honestly here givinga voice to both sides.

(03:03:40):
Let us do that and help us.
Help us do that.
So everybody in our audience, Ireally thank you guys for
helping that part out likemaking sure that we don't have
people come in here and justwreck it, because I'm human too.
It could just take one nightwhere I'm just like, fuck this,
I don't feel like dealing withthis tonight and just shut it

(03:04:01):
down and then I won't come backto it for a couple of days and
that sucks for everybody.
That's not fair.
But at the same time it's likeman, how many times can you have
your efforts thrown back inyour face?
You can only deal with that somuch.
So when you guys do help, youknow, keep it neutral and

(03:04:29):
objective.
Like it really helps me out,because it helps me reset,
because sometimes I getoverwhelmed.
Alan, I'm sure you're the sameway man.

Speaker 2 (03:04:32):
I just I'm like I don't even even feel it, I don't
have the energy yeah, um when Ithink that's what motivates,
honestly motivates you, is howwell they participate and how
well they get involved and, uh,it brings you fresh ideas, even
through this show today.
You know there was certainconversations that kind of

(03:04:54):
reinvigorate your conversationto yeah, want to keep going yep,
yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:05:01):
Um, in that I it's something you guys don't see.
It's behind the scenes, but wehave a group chat with all these
people that are involved withthe thing, and every time you
guys send a message to me.
Man, I just found your channel,or man, I really liked what you
guys said about this.
What you're doing is worth it.
I take a screenshot and I sendit every time because I want to

(03:05:24):
reaffirm to everybody that'shelping.
Do this.
I always say, if we just helpone person, it's worth it, and
to continuously keep gettingmessages from people like makes
it worth it, man.
So I don't want you to thinkthat your shit doesn't get
shared.
It really does.
What is this?
Oh, that's the thingy.

(03:05:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:05:47):
So it's actually in the pants.
It's built into the pants, yeah, it's pretty into the pants,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05:54):
It's pretty cool.
I like it.
What is David talking about?
Google embossed logo and youwill see a 3D stuff from the
beginning of the podcast.
Oh, I think he's talking aboutthe hoodies, maybe.

Speaker 2 (03:06:11):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (03:06:12):
Oh yeah, from the beginning of this episode, yeah,
Thank you, gentlemen, fortaking the time to put the
podcast together and answer ourquestions.
It means a lot.
Thank you, smet.
No problem, that's why we'rehere.
Mr Belfort said this that whatthis is about we don't tolerate
the trolls playing gotcha, justhave cops to listen can bridge

(03:06:33):
the gap absolutely.
Um, tim owens said you know, Ireally appreciate the podcast.
I've only been here this is mysecond time but I got to learn
something both times which isawesome and that is the goal.
Like, end of the day, even ifyou don't agree with like, it
doesn't have to be something weagree on, guys.

(03:06:53):
It can just be like hey, thisis just how it is and this is
how we see it, and this is howit's going to be, and you're
going to be like no, itshouldn't be that way because of
this.
And I look back and I'll sayfair, disagree.
We agree to disagree on thisparticular thing, but here's
where we don't disagree.
Like I think one of the thingsthat people really love to hear
out of a cop's mouth is that youshouldn't trust cops.

(03:07:14):
And I'm not saying that toplacate you and make you like,
but I'm with you on that one andI tell them I tell my own
family don't trust the cop,don't answer their fucking
questions unless you're underarrest.
Like, depends on the situationtoo.
Like guys, don't get me wrongIf we're just answering cordial
shit like hey, you know, thisguy just got shot over here.

(03:07:35):
Did you guys see anything?
Answer their questions, helpthem out, help solve somebody
getting shot.
But if somebody stops you andthey're like hey, why are you
going over there?
What are you doing?
Just be like am I detained?
Am I under?
Like I am I detained?
Am I under?
Like I'm not answering yourquestions, dude, like either you

(03:07:56):
got a reason to stop me.
You don't like if they'retrying to dig in on you, fuck
that.
Know your rights, know yourrights right.
Constitutional country, girlnews too much, it's too much.
Ccgn.
Uh, I'm looking through thecomments here.
Eye of the Night from MrBillfold.
I sense you are meant to stickaround.
If I could gift a membershipdirectly to you, I would.

Speaker 2 (03:08:20):
Here's the best one.
What do you got?

Speaker 1 (03:08:24):
I'm not leaving until Alan finishes his drink.
Yeah, he's actually beendrinking that one since three
this afternoon.
Guys, there we go.

Speaker 3 (03:08:35):
Why are you trying to make him go?

Speaker 1 (03:08:36):
man, I'm gonna go get another one we could have had
kobe staying here all night.
He doesn't know, I have more ohshit but I'll have to go get a
straw.
He said I'm not worried aboutmemberships.
With three kiddos, I don't needto spend money on that stuff.
I'm more than happy to justconverse and interact with the
other view.

Speaker 2 (03:08:53):
Absolutely, brother.
That's what we want.

Speaker 1 (03:08:55):
Yeah, man, listen, if you guys have it, okay, cool.
If you don't just like, shareand subscribe, Share our stuff,
that's it.
It's free.
That's all I ask.
That's the beauty of this.
If you've got it cool, Ifyou've got it cool, if you don't
, it doesn't cost you anything,but a little bit of time, ten
seconds.
Share our shit.

(03:09:17):
Dustin Lamb, the Happy GilmoreRetro Rifle shirt.
Yeah, buddy, let them knowwhere you saw it Two cups, one
donut.
Yeah, tell Retro Rifle, themfuckers need to sponsor us
because that's all I wear, God.

Speaker 2 (03:09:31):
I have an addiction uh, my wife's not happy about
that tim said oh shit, I'm sorry, I hit the button.

Speaker 1 (03:09:38):
Sorry, buddy he said uh, when I told matt about you,
I knew it was going to grow intosomething cool and, frankly,
I'm proud to be a part of it ina way.
You're absolutely a part of it,tim.
You are the direct link betweenme and Matt.
And then Matt and I had somephone calls and some more phone
calls and the more we got going,I think I kind of amped Matt up

(03:10:00):
.
I think I pumped him up.
I think he was like holy shit,he's like I've been wanting to
do this, but I'm old Because,let's face it, matt's old guys
and he's like I don't know howto do any of that shit.
So I'm going to help Matt getto the level that his fans want
him at.
That's what I want to do.
I want to get Matt his ownpodcast.
I don't want him to be the TwoCops, one Donut podcast.

(03:10:22):
I want it to be the MattThornton podcast, and you guys
just find him from us and that'sit Because Matt's, and that's
it because matt's got a lot tosay.
He's got a lot of cool peopleand I think that will be way
better than anything I can do.
He's got a different view, sothat's what I want to do?
I want to have the matt thorpepodcast for sure, and dustin
said he would text the owner ofretro rifle.

Speaker 2 (03:10:46):
Text him, let him know, man let him know harrison
brock, we will not be drivingtonight I'm at home.
Baby ain't going anywhere well,you do have to walk.
What is it?
175 feet?

Speaker 1 (03:10:58):
yeah, I gotta walk 175 feet to my house from the
podcast studio, so but it's cold, so it'll be a fast you know
I'm gonna run.
Hopefully I don't trip.
I said, uh, I like some, someof the cop watcher channels like
Long Island Auditor andLackluster, even Audit the Audit

(03:11:18):
.
I do watch Audit the Audit andthe Long Island guy, but I don't
think I've heard of Lackluster.

Speaker 2 (03:11:25):
I'm going to star that one because there's.
Matt and.

Speaker 1 (03:11:28):
Abby, but I didn't think there was enough cop
channels that want to improve,and I agree with you.
I don't think there is.
The problem is we get shit forbeing anti-cop in some of the
pro-police worlds.
So it's not that I'm anti-cop,it's just I'm an accountability

(03:11:49):
thing.
I want to improve police work,so I'm going to show you a video
of exactly what I'm talkingabout.
Let me go back here.
It's Ice-T's stop, so let meminus this one Because there's
something to learn from bothsides and it kind of irritated
me.
I got a lot of flack on thisone because I was being anti-cop

(03:12:11):
.
All right, the traffic stop onon ice t seems to be making its
rounds and I was asked myopinion oh sir what's up,
officer?

Speaker 7 (03:12:16):
let you know you've been recorded.
Okay, I'm headed to the dmv.

Speaker 4 (03:12:19):
That's where I'm going to get all my registration
and everything you know, yourregistration expires since 2021
that's where I'm going.
I'm trying to get this car setup to grow um.
Yesterday I went to the dmv andthey said that their system was
down.

Speaker 5 (03:12:30):
So that's what I'm at you need to have an appointment
to go to the DMV.

Speaker 7 (03:12:33):
I don't need one.
Why is that?
Because they know me.

Speaker 1 (03:12:35):
So I'm stopping because I want to point out
things.
Ice-t was cool up until thispoint when this guy said you
need to have an appointment togo over to the DMV.
Ice-t's not an idiot.
He's been around the block fora long time.
He can tell that thatinflection Was a little bit of

(03:12:56):
ego mixed in with you trying tosay that he's lying.
The dude is in the parking lotFor the DMV.
He's got all the documents withhim and he said that he was
there yesterday.
And now he's trying to comeback Because he's trying to get
his shit straight.
And the moment you were like,well, you to have an appointment
to go to the dmv, iced tea'slike I'm fucking iced tea, I

(03:13:18):
don't need an appointment.
Not to mention, I was thereyesterday.
That that's how I read.
It doesn't mean I'm right, butthat's how I read this.

Speaker 5 (03:13:25):
So let's keep going oh, because I know you it's your
passport you're gonna drivethat vehicle?

Speaker 3 (03:13:31):
who has?

Speaker 1 (03:13:31):
registered and get this right and he's trying to
tell him.
The officer he's like you can'tbe driving this.
He's preaching to him Again.
Are you telling Ice-T somethinghe doesn't know?
Are you telling any citizensomething they don't know?
You're giving information thatthey already fucking know,
especially if he's there at theDMV.

(03:13:53):
All you're doing is beingcondescending.
That's what this language is tome.
You're being condescending.
You think he doesn't know thathe needs to have his
registration, he needs to haveall these things to get that
there.
He knows that Either write thetickets or don't.
But the preaching and thechastising and the
condescendingness like thatwould make me get amped up too.

Speaker 4 (03:14:16):
I'm not going to take you to jail.
Okay, can I park the car hereand walk to the DMV?
I'm going to tow your vehicle.
You're not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (03:14:23):
And this is where the attitude comes in.
This is where I think Ice-Tgets mad.
You're going to tow my vehicleOne.
He's in a private parking lot.
There's no need to tow it, he'snot on a public roadway.
So I think and this is mypersonal this is Eric Levine.
I think this officer gotenvious once.

(03:14:47):
Ice-t, rolling around in hisbadass car, was like they know
me there and he gave a.
He was being cool, he wastalking with Ice-T swag.
That's what he's doing.
Ice-t wrote the song Cop KillerI get it 32 fucking years ago
when he was a kid.
He's an entertainer.
He's trying to be sensationalat, you know, very young age.
You can't do.

(03:15:10):
We want to hold what you said32 years ago against you.
No, fucking totality of thecircumstances.
Guys, relax, it's Ice-T.
He's a mainstream Hollywoodactor now who's been playing a
cop.
That doesn't excuse it, and I'mnot saying to give him special
privileges.
I fully said write him thetickets.
He has that coming.

(03:15:30):
He knows better.
He's driving around on asuspended license and he's
driving around in a car that'sold, it's not up to date and I
understand why.
He's probably a rich dude witha bunch of cars, and this is one
he hasn't driven in a long time.
He's like you know what?
I'm going to get this one upand going again.
That's probably what happened.
That it's just my guess.

(03:15:55):
So, or it's a separate houseand he, you know, right, yeah,
right.
So I completely get.
But the dude is in the drivewayof the dmv.
He's close.
That's something I didn't knowabout the video, and he's close
enough he can see it and walkand he's got all of those
documents with him and he saidhe was there yesterday and they
needed to come back with that.
So he is trying to do the rightthing.
He's trying to get his shitstraight.
You didn't pull him over on thefreeway where everybody and

(03:16:15):
their mom uses this excuse.
No more way to the dmv rightnow.
Bullshit.
He's literally in the time.

Speaker 2 (03:16:21):
Yeah, that changed everything for me.
When I didn't, I didn't knowthey were in that parking lot
and so up until that point I wassitting there thinking like
everybody.
You know it's like how manytimes have I heard that?

Speaker 1 (03:16:32):
story, right, yeah, and and then like marine blood
saying why did he drive thevehicle?
He, I get your point, marineblood, he knows better.
He shouldn't have been driving.
I'm with you, I don't disagree.
He should have at least hadsomebody licensed with him and
drove the car, because someplaces do want to see the
vehicle, some places don'tcorrect so.
But I think what really startedto to happen was the the little

(03:16:56):
bit of jealousy, enviousbehavior came out when he was
like I don't need an appointment, I'm fucking I.
He didn't say this, but that'sthe impression.
He's like I'm iced tea, bro,they're gonna let me in, like
all right, cool, it's a coolflex.
Like I don't have that luxury,but I'm me, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a
positive guy, like by nature,I'm optimistic dude.

(03:17:18):
I'm like, oh, dude, that's cool, I wish I had that ability.
Like good on you, cool, icetea's gonna go in and he's gonna
be like I'm finn man, like letme do my thing, cool, but uh,
that that's not.
This was the downfall.
People got on me becausethey're like, well, he shouldn't
have been driving and he knowsbetter.

(03:17:38):
Okay, fair enough, guys, it'straffic, it's a traffic offense.
It's not the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (03:17:45):
All right, hold on, frank might be listening.
Yeah, frank might be listening.

Speaker 1 (03:17:50):
But Ice did not get an attitude until you threatened
to tow his car.
Why would you tow it?
What reason do you have?
It's not blocking, it's in aprivate lot.
There's no reason to tow it.
And the supervisor did a greatjob.
He came in and he said look, Ican't tell my officer what to
enforce and not to enforce,which he's right.
You can't tell if it's againstthe law that an officer has the

(03:18:15):
right to enforce it, but what hecan do is dictate on things
that are like policy and that istowing the vehicle.
And I think he did a good jobat diffusing by letting his
officer, you know, convincinghim not to tow, which is, I
think, what that supervisor did.
And what supported my argumentthat he was doing this based on

(03:18:38):
ego was the very last statementthis officer makes.

Speaker 3 (03:18:40):
I'm going to keep playing.
So you guys see it, I'm goingto respect you the same way.
But then let me you see, I'mgoing.
No, you're not going to tell mewhat to do.
I'm going to tell you what todo, so give me a kiss right now.

Speaker 4 (03:18:44):
Ego right there not under arrest and I'm getting out
of my.

Speaker 1 (03:18:47):
You're not going to tell me what to do, really.
You, no, no, no, no, ReallyYou're not going to tell me.
He didn't tell you what he'snot going to do.
He's like you just don't needto tow his car.
That would piss me off too.

Speaker 7 (03:18:59):
Give me my paperwork.
You fucking no, don't touch me,Don't do anything like that.
Give me my fucking paperwork.
Get this on camera.

Speaker 1 (03:19:17):
This motherfucker is.
You are an asshole.
I'm not an asshole.
You've been asking to me.
You are an asshole.
I'm trying to get to the dmv.
I showed you all the paperwork.
Let me start recording yourdumb ass.
Uh, you know.

Speaker 7 (03:19:22):
Again cool I'm okay with what I said and uh, so I'm
out of here.
I can't tell him as a sergeantwhat to do.

Speaker 5 (03:19:24):
I can guide him and I can make a recommendation.
He's gonna give you fourtickets.
Okay, we're not gonna tow yourvehicle while you're receiving
summonses.

Speaker 3 (03:19:30):
Here's your keys, there's your paperwork driver's
license Right there.

Speaker 1 (03:19:36):
Next time show some respect.
That's all I got to say.
And Ice-T says I don't have to,I don't have to and he doesn't.
That is fucking arrogance, man.
So to me this is lettingemotion get the best of you on a
stop which this could have, andit all goes into mindset.

(03:19:59):
This could have been flippedand been a badass fucking stop.
As soon as you get, you knew heknew who he was oh man, dude,
if I pulled him over, I'm sorry,he's probably.
I'm probably getting written upbecause he's signing my patch or
something right, I would havebeen like let me turn this into
a community policing oh sorryyou know like hey man, first and
foremost, you need to getsomebody out here like I'm still

(03:20:21):
gonna follow the legal part.
Yeah, like dude, you can't bedriving like I'm gonna let him
know, like ice, you like youfucking tie in my hands here.
Dude, you, gotta you got to getsomebody out here.
First off, let's get somebodyout here.
Second, like bro, can I get apicture?

Speaker 2 (03:20:37):
Dude, I have this uh, I have this uh, show that I do
online.

Speaker 1 (03:20:43):
You want to join it, like?
No, I never talk about mypodcast while I'm at work.
Never Come on, dude, it's never.
Never do it.
Nope, I don't mix both.

Speaker 2 (03:20:53):
You got to separate them.

Speaker 1 (03:20:54):
Yep so, but honestly, like you could turn that into
iced tea.
I'm like, hey, man, I'm goingto let you go with a warning on
this.
But hey man, like is theresomething you can do with the
department and like maybe apublic message or anything like
that?
Like, let's turn this into likea positive thing, like how to
take care of your stuff.
It might've been an opportunityfor the PIO and him to get

(03:21:17):
together and, you know, give ashout out to the department and
him owning up.
Like he could have been himsending out a message hey, y'all
, I screwed up, but thanks tothis department, they let me
learn from my mistake.
Like you could have spun itinto a positive thing and you
turn that completely negative.

Speaker 2 (03:21:36):
And and what kind of following does he have?
And now, everything about thatdepartment and agency, what you
know, yeah, viewing and all thatkind of stuff.
Yeah, somebody said it earlierthat he makes 250,000 per
episode on law and order.
Right, he has a following, andnow you just like took and

(03:21:57):
rubbed the dirt and, you know,rubbed some salt, like it's just
not, it's not a good look, yeahyeah, tim said I'm gonna go up
to iced tea and saying tracylauren morrow, ice-t, insane,
tracy, lauren Mauro, reallyTracy Tracy, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:22:14):
So listen, I get it.
He had a bad history.
He wrote the song Cop Killer.
Okay, guess what, guys?
When I work out, I'm stilllistening to NWA, I'm still
listening to Ice-T, I'm stilllistening to a bunch of Rage
Against the Machine.
There's a bunch of dudes I grewup listening to that I still
listen to, even though I'm a cop.

(03:22:36):
Relax, relax.

Speaker 2 (03:22:40):
All right, we wouldn't be able to listen to
anything.
If you actually listen to thelyrics of most music, if you
break down most of it, it's likecome on now.
All right, hell, we can't evenwatch Disney movies for the
innuendo.

Speaker 1 (03:22:55):
Right, no, they draw hidden wieners on stuff.
Wiener, you said wiener, dude,I know.
Have you seen the cover?
Well, I remember as a kidlooking at the cover of Little
Mermaid, I didn't realize therewas something.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23:06):
Fantasia.

Speaker 1 (03:23:14):
That was like hey, let's go get high.
Come on Wieners on LittleMermaid.

Speaker 2 (03:23:18):
I'm not sure when this is going.

Speaker 1 (03:23:21):
Let me see images.
Yeah, right here.
Yep, okay, share screen.
Oh, that's awesome.
This is what I remember as akid.
Yep, you can see it right there, hidden messages.
You, sons of bitches.

Speaker 2 (03:23:44):
Disney doesn't do that.
Come on, I'm onto you.
Disney Except for girls want tohave fun?
Yeah, girls just want to havefun.
Yeah, girls just want to havefun, guys.

Speaker 1 (03:23:54):
Phallic towers.
Freeman freeman knows.
Uh, oh shit, eric's now on alist somewhere.
Yeah, I am on a list.
My bad, all right, guys, we'reat three and a half.
We're we're gonna cut it, buteverybody, thank you for tuning

(03:24:15):
in.
Um, appreciate you guys.
Uh, I'm sorry that I couldn'tget the whole fucking team on
here.
Uh, banning just said I'm chrishansen, have a seat over here.
Um, that's awkward.
Yeah, so I couldn't have thewhole crew up here today.
But you know how it is.
Y'all were stuck with me.
Yep, I will be gone.
I'm leaving the 11th.

(03:24:35):
I won't be back until at leastthe 18th, so I'm going to be out
of the country.
Leave me the F alone.
I will not be on any socialmedia.
I'm not putting out any content.
I am enjoying my wife and what.

Speaker 2 (03:24:51):
Hey, last time you said this it worked.
So I'm going to call outBanning Sweatland and we're
going to be on without you nextweek.

Speaker 1 (03:24:57):
Okay, I'm down.
It's going to be up to Alan toget everything rolling behind
the scenes and everybody else.
You're going to have to dealwithout my stupid ass.
So I'm curious If it works outbetter without me, I will step
back.
I will be the guy behind thescenes because I know how to run

(03:25:17):
everything, because I've beendoing it.
Brock Eric is on the FBI list.
My bad FBI is going to visityou all.
Yeah.
I probably got you allindoctrinated, my bad.
So, steve Wallace, he said thiswas a good one.
Thanks everyone.
Have a good night, appreciateyou, brother.
Uh, freeman, appreciate you too.

(03:25:38):
Uh, tim Owens, he's like thanks, you guys are awesome, very
cool.
Thank you guys.
Uh, it does, does, does theheart well to know that y'all
like what we're doing.
Again, the best way to thank usis like share, subscribe, do
that crap.
I'm getting accused a lotlately of just wanting followers

(03:25:58):
, so I'll try to dumb it downeven more, but I usually wait
till the end.
Hey, follow us, guys.
Like, that's just how we expand.
I don't know how else to do it,my bad.
Anyway, all right guys,appreciate y'all.
Have a.

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