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All right, welcome back to Cops1, don't?
I'm your host, eric Levine, andI am joined with my friends
here, alan Nelson, and Friday'swith Frank, frank Slope.
But we are having technicaldifficulties with Frank's mic
right now, so we are trying tofigure those out while we're
still on the show.
Uh, so bear with us.

(01:07):
Um, frank and technologythey're they're friends,
acquaintances, but they're notbest friends, so he's uh trying
to get that worked out.
Um, we do know that frank'schannel is live for the first
time, so frank's people aregoing to be on here as well.
We're going to get frank onhere.
We're just.
You can see him um behind thescenes mad dogging his computer

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because he's he's trying, he'strying to get it worked out.
Uh, we're gonna get it, we'regonna get it.
So, uh, I'm going down the chat.
Uh, marine blood.
He said, yeah, first on youtube, what's up?
Marine blood.
Uh, tim, what's going?
He's like I've been here for 10minutes.
Perry Lemley, he's like I'm upand awake, love it.

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Mama G says good evening.
David Edmonston's on again Goodevening.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
How are you sir?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
You guys keep working it out.
I'm just going to keep goingdown the comments.
Marine Blood said hey, what'sup?
Frank Thomas Holbrook, goodevening.
He just tried to turn it offand turn it back on.
Yeah, turn it off, turn it on.
I think he's jumping out.
He's going to jump back in,which is funny because Frank's
been on here a million times.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Hey, we got him.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Wait a second.
What?
Wait a second?
What'd you do different?
I unplugged my camera.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah.
I can tell you're on yourlaptop camera but, hey, we can
hear you, so that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
And you actually kind of look vintage the way the
lighting is.
You kind of look like.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm not sure if you realize that I was born in the
70s.
I am vintage.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
You are vintage.
No, I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
You are right on the the end of the one of the best
eras for music ever, true, butdid you unmute your mic?
Yes, yeah we.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
We tried like crazy to get everything.
Okay, steve wallace never letsme down.
What's up, buddy?
My mother my mom's watchingfrom my living room right now.
Uh, what's up, mama?
So uh, okay now your cameras.
No, you're good, you lookcrispy and you sound crispy.
Okay, okay, hey, frank yourchannel's on here, baby, let him

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know I'm on it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yes, now we're talking man evening first time
man.
This is awesome.
Okay, so I got it.
I'm not using my normalcomputer this week, so I am at a
remote location.
Yep, still at that.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Fair enough.
Me and Frank have discussed atlength the importance of family
and doing everything in ourprofession.
I think in policing, one of theways that get us in a shitty
place at work is when we don'ttake time for family and family.
Speaking of family, my cousin'son from Michigan Stacey, what

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up, what up?
Didi?
Funny, funny backstory.
When I was a little kid I usedto chase you know, you get your
favorite cousins and stuff mycousin Stacey, she lived on the
same street as me.
I used to chase her aroundaround, mess with her all the
time.
Uh, she made me believe that Isaved her from an oncoming car.
One time there's a car comingdown the road and even as like,
a little like four-year-old, Iwas like trying to be a rescuer

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and I like tried to push her outof the road and she's like you
saved me from that car and forthe longest time I really
believed I'd saved her from acar.
So, uh, she probably didn'tremember that, but as a little
kid I remember that stuff.
So, um, per typical, we'regoing to let people log on and
get on here.
Uh, I have to put out adisclaimer.
I got this dude's name wrong.
I for whatever reason, when Ityped out the Robert Brooks

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thing, I I typed in Jesse Brooks, I think I copied and pasted
off of something and, end of theday, I fucked it up.
So, uh, I meant to say theRobert Brooks case, um, which I
think everybody knows, the onewe're talking about.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, um, I'm not going
to show the video, um one,because I can't find a version

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of it.
That's not just the raw bodycam video, it's always some news
channels version of it.
I don't want that, so I'll justkind of discuss what happened.
Um, there was a number ofcorrections officers, um, taking
a inmate to the hospital forwhatever.
I don't know what the reasonwas behind it, um, and then they

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needlessly and senselessly beatthis dude while in cuffs to
death.
Now, I don't give a shit.
What he did Everybody's like.
Well, he had stabbed hispregnant wife or whatever
girlfriend.
Okay that's bad that he's injail.
Like this is how the systemworks.
That's where he went for thatGreat but a handcuffed man.

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You as a cop, like theseweren't correction officers, but
you as a cop, you'reresponsible Once you put the
cuffs on out in the street.
They are your responsibility.
Like I don't let people messwith my my you know, arrested
people, anything like that.
So it's the same forcorrections officers.
So we're going to we're goingto deep dive into this

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discussion.
This is where I want this isbefore we get to the body cam
videos, guys, sorry.
So this is you know us.
We want to discuss somethingfor about the first 20 minutes.
This is going to be our topicfor the day.
So, frank, did you get a chanceto see that video?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
First of all, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I can hear you.
Yes, sir, okay you soundwonderful.
You look gorgeous, by the way.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I appreciate that.
All right, I switchedeverything back to the original
mic and the original camera andall of a sudden, everything
works.
Oh lo and behold.
So I saw a clip of that videoand it sure didn't look good and
that was about all I needed tosee of it, because I don't like
bringing that level ofnegativity into my life.

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Yeah, so yeah, I watched aboutI don't know, maybe eight, ten
seconds of it and I was like, oh, that's enough for me.
So I didn't even know any ofthe back story, nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, like I said, they were taken to the hospital
for some reason I'm not sureexactly what it was for
Regardless a handcuffed personbehind his back, a handcuffed
person.
There's no use of force that's,in my opinion, justified when
you've got three, fourcorrections officers on him to

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begin with, multiple peoplestanding around.
Everybody that was in that roomthat held some sort of law
enforcement credentials, in myopinion, need to burn for that.
You didn't stop it, you didn'tdo anything in the moment.
That was one that there neededto be action in the moment and

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there was nothing.
Alan, did you see that thereneeded to be action in the
moment and there was nothing?
Alan, did you see that video?
Only parts of it.
Yeah, it's rough.
Like, like I, physically, whenI was watching that one, I got
pissed off too, just sickened.
You know, and I'm I'm nottrying to like, I see a lot of
bad shit, but knowing the factthat this dude's in cuffs and he
can't defend himself made mesick.

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I was like this is fuckingdisgusting.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
So what was the catalyst for all of that?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
anyway, I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
Everything was muted, youcouldn't hear anything, so you
don't know what was being said.
But I mean, you just see thisinmate taking it.
I mean, um, going to some ofthe comments, tim said, uh, I
was a corrections officer andthe shit would, the shit we
would catch just giving aninmate 10 minutes of extra tv.

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Those ceos need to be put underthe jail.
Well, if they put them in ajail, I can tell you right now,
they won't last very long.
Um, but I mean, and and here'swhere I want to dive a little
deeper you know, the, the um,the POA or the FOP or their
union, came out and they oughtto.
I mean, you rarely hear anysort of fraternal order of

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police or a police union orcorrections union, whatever you
want to call it speak publiclyagainst their own guys.
And they, I mean they cameright out and were like no, we
don't, we don't condone what hedid.
They are on their own Island.
Like they need to be punished,like to hear that from another,

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from their own um, union is ishuge, huge.
It says it speaks volumes.
Um, but here's, here's myproblem watching that video.
And you tell me frank, you tellme alan, you tell me in the in
the, the listeners.
When I watched that I saw aculture of policing that was

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internal like that.
That was not a surprise toanybody in that room to learn
behavior I mean, right, thatwasn't like, oh my god, this guy
just spit in my face, this guyjust did this.
It wasn't like a knee-jerkreaction to something that
occurred to you.
That was like this is what wedo.

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That's how I seen that and andthat I'm I'm speculating.
I fully admit that and I don'tlike to speculate, but first and
foremost, on this particularthing, fuck them Like they've
earned nothing for me to givethem benefit of the doubt at all
.
So, in that, the way that I sawthat behavior and you guys tell

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me if you've seen the samething like that is not something
, that's not a one-off officerdoing something that everybody's
looking at.
You're like what the fuck is anew guy doing?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
like that is something that they do well, if
that was just a new guy and itwasn't accepted behavior, some
old salty dog would have takenhim out back and then beat him
next to the dumpster Right andthen ran it up the chain from
there Like, hey, I already tookcare of it.
But just so you know, thishappened up the chain officially

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after it was taken care of,informally, that's how it?
Used to be.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and if you guys are wondering what video we're
talking about, look up theRobert Brooks video.
Robert Brooks jail incident,robert Brooks police brutality,
whatever you want to look it up,it wasn't a police, it was
corrections officers.
But for the sake ofconversation we're just going to
lump us all together.
If you work for a sheriff'sdepartment, then you are kind of

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a jailer.
So none of you are city cops.
City cops, we don't do thatstuff, guys.
So Dre G said that definitelywas not a first-time incident.
That occurred there for sure.
That's how I see it.
I don't see that as afirst-time incident.
But going to the comments hereRay Montero, oh, I see Ray Ryan,

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I'm sorry.
I see Ryan quite a bit on myLinkedIn.
Uh, he's always commented, sothanks for jumping on buddy.
Uh, is it better to come intothe comment section on LinkedIn
or YouTube?
Um, I guess it doesn't.
Either one works.
But um, I personally, if Icould migrate everybody to
YouTube for simplicity, that'swhere I would take everybody.
But I try to be the man of thepeople.

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If you guys are on LinkedIn andit's easier for you, try that.
Mr Bill Fold, what's up,brother?
He's always commenting andgiving some good feedback, he
said, except that video we allsaw where the lady cop was
choked by her boss on the scenewhen she tried to stop him from
abusing a handcuffed subject.
Yes, I know exactly what videoyou're talking about.
I've actually talked about thatone on here before.

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Um, she did the right thing, uhin, and the fact that that
sergeant because it was a, doyou remember that video frank
did you ever see that one yeah,yeah.
Like my reaction was like holyshit.
Like I can tell you, had I beenunseen, I would have been stuck
in that.
Like what the fuck's happening?
Like I may have been stuck fora second.

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My my initial loop.
Yeah, that my initial reactionprobably wouldn't have been to
separate them.
It would have been like whatthe fuck's happening?
Like, are they for?
Like is this serious and arethey playing?
Are they?
Yeah, it was just like someweird role play.
I don't know.
Is this serious?
Are they playing?
Yeah, is this like some weirdrole play?
I don't know.
But then I'm hoping, and I canonly hope.
It's like being involved in ashooting the first time that we

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had bullets flying around us.
I've always wondered how I'dreact and luckily, I moved
forward.
I didn't have a shot, but Imoved forward.
So I was very happy with myselfafterwards, debriefing, like so
what happened?
Okay.
So I was very happy with myselfafterwards, you know,
debriefing like so what happened?
Okay?
Well, we were there.
All of a sudden, we heard shotszinging by us and we got behind
cover and we pushed forward andwe did this, we did that and I
was like, oh shit, we wentforward, like that's what you're

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supposed to do, um, and in thatvideo I'm I'm hoping that I
would, you know just like Iwould think I would be in a
shooting like I'd hope I'd getin between them and ask that
Sergeant, like what the fuck areyou doing, dude?
You trying to ruin your career?
Like, get in between them?
That's what you should be doing.
Um, but yeah, that's, that's agood point.

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Um, sorry, going back throughthe comments here at least I
thought it was there we go, Ithink.
I think people see this and thisis what makes people really
scared of the police.
It's because you know they seethese types of things happen on
TV and again, they may not beblatantly happening everywhere.
Well, the problem withcorrections is that's behind,

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that's out of sight, out of mind.
That's my opinion.
With corrections, you don't seethat, you don't see the
prisoners.
You don't see any of them ever.
I would.
My guess would be that this isthat's going to be the next
evolution of the criminaljustice system.
You've got cops wearing bodycameras.
That was for the greater good.
That's my opinion.

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Frank, you like your body cam?
Oh, you don't have them.
I forgot Largest agency in thestate of arizona.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
That doesn't happen that is crazy to me, dude.
I like I get panicky if I don'thave my I wouldn't work without
it.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I had them in my previous agency and I loved them
.
Um, I was a supervisor there.
I used it to get my guys, youknow, out of false complaints of
misconduct right.
It was so nice to just be ableto take that body on camera,
upload it, show it and say, hey,what you said happened, 100%
didn't happen, and this is how Iknow it.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Gotcha, gotcha, tim, tim trying to help us out, smash
that like button peeps.
I like he's my hype guy.
Um, we gotta get Tim on hereOne of these days.
Uh, tim's got his mics andstuff.
Tim is a citizen, so Tim is oneof the.
He's kind of like what we'redoing.
He's trying to call it bad copbehavior, but he's trying to

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show the good stuff and try to,you know, kind of be even keel.
So it's just nice to have thatsomebody.
That's outside of what we do,because, whether we want to
admit it or not, as cops we dohave a slight bias.
Now if you're aware of it, youcan try to counter it more.
But the more you're involved inonly being around cops and
doing cop work and doing thingslike that, like you do, you tend

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to be in this little biasbubble.
So he's one of the guys thathelps keep me, even, keep me
even.
Mr Bill Fold said none of herfellow cops stopped it like they
should have.
If I had reversed, uno'd thatsergeant for choking a woman in
front of me as a civilian orbystander, I bet those cops
would have used force on me.
You're probably right, yepabsolutely.

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You're probably right 100%.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's just the way that life goes.
You just don't get to put yourhands on cops, and it is our
responsibility to police our own, and you just don't get to.
And if you want to do it, gothrough the police academy and
put on a badge and then takecare of things from that side.
But you don't get to do it fromyour side and that's just the
way it is.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, unless a cop asks for you to help, and I've
done that.
I've done that.
I've had a couple of good oldcountry boys come over and help
me.
While I was wrestling with adude.
I had him.
I just you know how it is, I'mnot going to get him cuffed by
myself.
So I was like, well, let me getsome weight on him.
So I had these.

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They're like put the weightdown on him and I got his arms
behind his back.
So it worked.
Oh, sorry, I'm trying to go to.
Somebody had a question here,discombobulated.
He said why do cops say do as Isay or I'll arrest you?
Don't they understand thatthere has to be a law to back

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their order?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Boy, that's a pretty gross generalization.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Why do?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
cops say that A cop in an agency, in a state, every
cop everywhere.
I've never said that I've beena cop for 24 years.
I think there's legalstatements like hey, put your
hands behind your back or hey,stop doing that, but do as I say
or I'll arrest you as a prettygross overstatement.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I have heard it.
I've heard that on some videos.
You know that we'll, we'll, youknow, do a reaction to or
whatever you know.
Um, here's where I have seen it, where an officer is trying to
use discretion.
He's got enough to arrest, buthe doesn't want to, and he's
trying to tell you hey, I needyou to come over here, do this,
so we can hurry up and get thisfigured out, so I can get

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everybody on their way.
If you don't, I'll just placeyou under arrest and we can
solve a lot of time right here,right now.
So that is one way.
Then there's the other way,where cops are just idiots and
they think they know the law andthey're wrong, and they're like
give me your ID or I'll arrestyou.
That's not how that works.
You know, if you have a lawfulreason to get their ID, awesome.

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But like the video that I hadshared not too long ago, a
homeless guy in the park,somebody accused him of sleeping
on the bench.
They get there and he's notasleep.
And then the officer's like,well, I need your ID.
And they get there and he's notasleep.
And then the officer's like,well, I need your id, and he's
like no, what, what law have Ibroken?
What have I done that you needmy id?

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And he's right, you don't havea reason to his id and the
officers were leaning on thisfact that they were called there
.
I was called there, so I get to, I get to get your id.
Now, that's not how that fuckingworks.
If, If it was, then shit Like,anytime there's somebody that
you suspect of anything, youjust have somebody call it in.
Hey, give me a phone call overthere.
You don't think the cops wouldabuse the shit out of that, like

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that's the reason why that'snot a law.
So, yes, I understand whatyou're saying.
Banning, who could not be heretonight, guys, because he's out
on a vacation, but he is joiningin on the chat, so what's up?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I'm on vacation.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, banning Jeez, you know he's out
there gambling.
That's what he does.
He's a degenerate gambler,always just slot machining it up
.
He's like look at one, fourgrand, look at one, two grand.
Look, I'm getting in troublewith his taxes right now.
Adonis Aris, these cops are fullof shit, bro.

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Which cops?
Which ones exactly?
Adonis, um chat, please makeyour comments more concise.
Avoid the gotcha questions.
You don't really want answers.
Um your comments more concise.
Avoid the gotcha questions.
You don't really want answers.
Yeah, that would help If you'renew to the channel and you're

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wondering, like, what we do here.
We talk about the good that copsdo, we talk about the bad that
cops do and we'll give youhonest answers from the best
that we know.
Now you're always getting copsfrom around the world Well,
around the nation, not aroundthe world on this show with us.
Now, I'm a Texas cop.
I was a cop in Michigan.
Frank, you're Arizona, butyou've been in other places too,

(20:35):
other states, no, no, justArizona, so Arizona.
And then Allen, texas, texasas.
And we've got other people onthe show that are regulars.
Um, trey mosley, he's acalifornia cop.
Um, banning, uh was texas and Ithink he was another state, uh.
And then let me see who else wegot um, matt thornton.

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Um, he's a chicago area cop.
And then, uh, daniel carr, whowas new mexico and, I think,
colorado, and Daniel has his lawdegree.
Now he's doing that instead.
So we've got some good,well-rounded people on here.
We're working on an East Coastcop right now.

(21:16):
We're trying to get involvedwith the show.
But somebody said Mr Belfort, Iknow we don't have moderators
and Eric is troll-proof.
However, those of us who valuethis reserve the right to flame
you trolls.
Hey, flame them, go for it.

(21:38):
Yeah, the trolls, you're notgoing to get me.
But yeah.
Dre G said implicit biases are areal thing.
I believe that.
I think there are some biasesthat you have you're not aware
of, but once somebody makes youaware of it, it's no longer
implicit.
Now you're aware of it, now yougot to work to actively combat
it.
And then let me see here, goingdown through the comments guys,
give me a second here.

(22:02):
I investigated a call so you hadto ID.
The situation is a big part ofthe 350 million calls, bro.
So it is, it is.
It's one of the most commonvideos that's sent to me of
officers demanding ID becausethey were called to the scene
and I think that is a trainingfailure across the nation, that
we just have to keep puttingthese videos out, these reaction
videos, and that's going to bethe best way, because who
follows Frank, who follows me,who follows a lot of the cops

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that we have here, a lot ofother cops, and I guarantee
there's going to be a cop that'ssitting there and is going to
be like shit.
I was never trained that way.
I didn't know that.
I was trained by my FTO who didit every day.
I just think it's a culturalthing in policing, but things

(22:48):
like First Amendment auditorshave made us well aware of the
gaps in our training.
So, as much as some people hatefirst amendment auditors, I
really appreciate the work thatthey've done because they showed
a huge gap in our training andit's been like there's a lot of
great training out now becauseof what they did.
Now there are some assholefirst amendment orders.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
They get on my nerves .

Speaker 1 (23:08):
They get on my nerves .
They're just out there tryingto win money.
They don't did that out therefor the message.
They're not out there to try toimprove policing.
They're out there to make money.
So be aware of that.
Oh, what happened, frank?
Did the ghost get you?
I can still hear you, are youall right?

(23:30):
Yep, yep, we can hear you.
You look like somethingsuddenly just happened to you.
You're like I lost all audio soI couldn't oh, you couldn't
hear us for a second.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I couldn't hear anything, so I gotcha uh, you
know, you know how, um, you knowhow those those first amendment
auditors get money is by copsviolating their rights because
they don't know the law.
Like it's no secret that youthere's just some people that
they're gonna poke the bear, andlike you don't get a bonus for

(24:03):
iding people.
Like who cares?
Man, I can't make eye of yourID.
No, okay, hey, have a great day.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Like who cares?
The problem where cops getthemselves in trouble is they
get the ego and they double downwhen they're in the wrong and
when they double down andthey're wrong, and that's, you
know, inflated by that ego,because they're so used to
people just doing what they say,which is 99% of their calls,
and the moment they hit a littlebit of resistance, somebody

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that knows more, then they getbutthurt over it.
Shout out to my brother-in-law,Brian Knieke, retired homicide
detective.
Retired homicide detective, andhe was a Michigan cop and then
he was a Florida cop and he is ainspiration to my policing

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career.
I'll give you a short, littlequick story about Brian.
I'm in college, Okay he's.
I think he was married by thattime to my wife's sister and he
took me on a ride along.
But it was like a operation,Like they were following these
known car burglars who werebreaking into funerals During

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funerals.
They were going to the funeralhome and punching windows and
taking purses.
So we follow these guys.
We got like six cars.
We're leapfrogging down thefreeway following them.
We watch them go get anewspaper.
They're looking at obituariesin the paper.
They stop it behind this donutshop of all places, and so I get
to pretend like I'm goinginside to get donuts so we act

(25:37):
like we're part of the area,come back out, they take off,
they go hit this funeral home.
We got to watch them actuallycommit the crime, Um, and then
we go in for the takedown andthey ran and it was crazy.
It was like a fun, fun littleuh thing for a criminal justice
you know student to go throughknowing that he's going to go be

(25:57):
a cop and uh, yeah, that was myfirst like craziness is uh in
police working's because ofbrian.
So thanks, buddy.
Um, I've tried to get him onthe show tonight.
It's like you got a mic and awebcam.
He's like no he's like I stoppedmy only fans, so he's got some
gorgeous feet.
What can you do?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
um, gotta make money somewhere yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Montero said if you really want to talk about police
corruption, I was Baltimorepolice officer and supervisor
during the Gun Trace Task Forcescandal.
We own this city and the wire,I guess and guess what happened?
Oh shit, it was so bad.
Nobody wants to talk about it.
No shit.
It sounds like we got to getMontero on this show.

(26:41):
We got to talk about that.
Get Montero on this show.
We got to talk about that.
Mr Belfold's still getting onme about qualified immunity.
We're going to get it, Ipromise.
I want it to be the perfectepisode.
I've got my people.
We're just trying to get thetimeline worked out.
I promise we're going to hitqualified immunity.
He said we never talked aboutit but part of the problem that
Frank contributed to theconversation.

(27:02):
Damn it.
What'd you do?
I clicked on something, I think, to the conversation Special
privileges for LAOs who can't bebothered to know.
The Fourth Amendment, theinequity causes more distrust.
Well, I'm not sure what inequityyou're talking about.

(27:23):
If you're talking about aperson going going hands-on with
another person versus a cop'sgoing hands-on with another
person, there is.
Here's where we can have aconversation, mr Belford, if you
agree that cops have certainpowers that citizens do not, and
that that is how it should beand that's how it is, then we

(27:43):
can have a conversation.
Where the conversation ends iswhen you think a conversation.
Where the conversation ends iswhen you think a citizen has all
the same exact rights andprivileges that a cop has.
That's not true and that's nothow that works.
The reason being is because wehave to go through specialized
training, get certifications, doall of these things to have
those powers that we're allowedto have.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
And we're held to a higher standard by society,
right as a result of.
So, with that privilege of notall of those rules applying to
us, we're also held to a higherstandard because if Mr Belfold
got arrested for DUI tonight, itwouldn't make national news.
But if I get arrested for DUItonight, it's going to news.

(28:25):
But if I get arrested for DUItonight, it's going to.
I'm held to a higher standard.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
You'll lose your job.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah and I'm yeah, you'll lose your job.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And are there certain things where citizens have a
lot more rights than us?
Yes, is there certain timeswhen cops have a lot more rights
than you?
Yes, if I'm on a call and myred and blues and my emergency
sirens are going, like I canspeed.
There's a lot of things that Ican do.
I can go higher than the speedlimit.

(28:54):
You know, responding to a callversus other people.
Like I can park my car inplaces that you can't.
When I'm going to a call, ifI've got somebody stealing from
Walmart this is a common one wepark right next to the damn
building.
So when we transport thatperson out, we're right there.
So there's certain things we'reallowed to do.

(29:16):
Now to your point.
What I think is more important,mr Billfold, is when cops
aren't on a call and they areabusing their authority and they
are parking wherever the hellthey want and doing stuff like
that.
Like I get that and I'm withyou.
So, um sorry, I'm going backthrough here um, I told, I told

(29:38):
matt this one time good copscan't be baited or instigated.
Yeah, I think, I think, uh, andwhat makes them a good cop?
That can't be baited orinstigated?
Yeah, I think.
What makes them a good cop.
That can't be baited orinstigated is time and
experience and confidence intheir training.
That's another one.
Cops get themselves in a lot oftrouble when their training is
shitty.
Because I can see it, I'llwatch a video and 10 seconds in

(30:02):
I'm like he's already hit hiswall of what he knows to do.
Have you seen those, frank?
Absolutely Were.
You just watching and you seethe training just hit a wall.
How do you guys articulate bodylanguage, behavioral responses
to extend a traffic stop If youdon't have a canine available
during the time frame of theroutine traffic stop?

(30:24):
So how do I articulate bodylanguage and behavioral
responses?
I guess it just depends onwhat's going on.
But let's say I pull them overand I'm just going to give
hypotheticals and I notice theright leg and arm is up over

(30:47):
pushing against the centerconsole, like for me that's a
big red flag.
Most people sit in the centerof their seat.
They don't sit kind of cockeyedto the side.
A lot of times when people dothat, they're trying to hide
something directly betweenwhat's in the center console and
their seat, which is usually agun or some dope.
So you need combinations ofthese red flags and I'm going to

(31:11):
let Frank go off on this in asecond because I know he's going
to destroy this.
So for me, that is one.
Asking questions with questions,that's another thing.
It's not one single red flagthat makes me want to dig
further.
It's a multitude, and I'll seethe guy shifted.
He doesn't really move hisright arm.
Most people are the.
It's not one single red flagthat makes me want to dig
further.
It's a.
It's a multitude, and you knowI'll see the guy shifted.
He doesn't really move hisright arm.
Most people are right-handed.
I'll ask for an id and they kindof t-rex it and they're doing

(31:32):
all this, doing everything theycan to use their forearm to
block my view from something.
So that's, that's an indicator.
Um, asking questions withquestions, that's another one.
Hey man, hey man, do you gotyour ID?
I do have my ID.
Um, like that, that is a commonthing that people will do to
try to get.
They're trying to think,they're trying to figure out how

(31:53):
they're going to get out ofwhatever it is they're trying to
get out of.
Um, I'll ask them, you know,from these indicators hey, do
you have any weapons or or drugsin the car?
And then again.
You're going to see theirreaction.
Most people, even though theythink they're good at lying,
they're not.
We see lies constantly, all daylong.
Even people that are 100%innocent, they will lie to you.

(32:14):
It's weird, you know like, hey,how are you doing today?
Where are you coming from?
Oh, I'm just driving to work.
And then a little bit later inthe conversation, like yeah, I
was headed home to get some milkand I thought you're going to
work.
Well, yeah, well, I got.
You know, I just got flustered.
Okay, just how it is.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
But Frank for you, man, you handle that question Um
, interdiction, which istypically when you'd be waiting
for a canine?
Um, is not my primary focus.
I've taken some interdictionclasses um, guys that do it for

(32:52):
a living, guys that spend theirtime on the highways watching
the movement of cars?
Um, you know the there's copssitting in the in the center
median um that are watching carsgo by, and all of those.
You know just the movement of avehicle that draws someone's
attention before they do atraffic stop, all of the
questions and answers andchanging of answers or vague

(33:14):
answers.
License plate readers are a bigasset.
Obviously, lprs are a big deal.
Where you know I'm in, I'm inArizona, so I-10 runs.
You know'm in, I'm in arizona,so i-10 runs.
You know north and south,technically east and west, but
north and south in my area.
Um, you know and we know wherevehicles go because we have

(33:34):
license plate readers.
So if a license plate reader sawyou in phoenix, you know, two
hours ago, and you're like, hey,where are you coming from?
And you're like, well, I'mcoming from tucson.
Like, well, you're not you,you're in I.
I know, I have proof that whatyou're saying is lying.
Um, along with all of thosenon-verbal indicators, the, the

(33:56):
small lies, the um compoundinglies, all of those help to build
that case and it's veryspecific, case by case Um.
You know, each individual hasdifferent cues or clues, um that
we're looking at.
So I mean there's there's a lotthat goes into interdiction
work and I mean hats off to theguys that do it, because they're

(34:19):
they're rock stars at um atreading body language and
knowing when people are lying tothem.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, kingslayer, to Damocles Damocles, I don't know
how to say that, I'll just sayKingslayer.
He said society holds cops to alower standard.
Ignorance of the law is aliteral excuse for police and
it's not an excuse for citizenry.
So I'll push back a little bit.
There's a major difference ofignorance of law as I didn't

(34:50):
know, versus here's the law I'mtrying to enforce and the courts
don't interpret it the same way.
So I think that is the goodfaith grace that is given in
police work, because, guess what, it doesn't matter what law you
enforce, at the end of the day,even if it's textbook, black

(35:12):
and white, clear as day, stillhas to go to court, still has to
be interpreted by a prosecutorand a defense and it still has
to be judged.
So even if you have that law100% nailed and you're like I
know, this law still has to goto court and there can always be
some weird way that some greatdefense attorney can argue it
and then all of a sudden a newprecedence is set.

(35:33):
So it isn't ignorance of thelaw, it's.
We go to court and now we fightbecause this is how I
interpreted that law as a policeofficer.
We get the Reader's Digestversion of being lawyers.
That's what a cop is.
It's the Reader's Digestversion.
We are not lawyers, so we haveto understand the elements of an

(35:56):
offense and then we go off ofthat.
Well, here's the elements thatI'm seeing.
Okay, cool, it looks like itfits this law.
I'm going to put this one here.
That's how I'm going to do it.
I'm going to push it to aprosecutor and if the prosecutor
accepts it, then I must havesomething to it.
It must be somewhat right,cause the prosecutor accepted.
If he doesn't now, the chargejust got dropped, cause we do

(36:17):
fuck up, we are wrong.
It's happened.
It's happened to me thinking Iknew what I was talking about
and I was wrong.
But that is police work.
That's how it is.
It's not ignorance of the law.
Um, harrison brock said copsare easy to deal with.
I say here's my license papers.
I invoke my right to remainsilent.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, totally fine, absolutely perfect.
Yep, absolutely perfect everytime more than likely.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
If you say that to me , I'm gonna give you a fist bump
.
I'm gonna be like good for you,bro.
Like I, I respect somebody thatknows their rights and I don't
even question you on anything.
After that I'm like all right,I'm gonna go handle my business,
I'm gonna come back.
You didn't want a small talk,that's fine.
Small talks will get you introuble if you're a criminal,

(37:03):
but if you're just a regular joe, like small talks, fine um,
there's a lot of times we wantthem to choose that right yeah
yeah, I'm sure sometimes theyhave the right and not the
ability.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
The ability correct correct.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
That's the old uh, what's that comedian ron white
joke?
Right, I had the right toremain silent, but I did not
have the ability.
No, that's a good point, but towhat was that again?
King Demon Slayer.

(37:38):
King Slayer, I understand whatyou're saying, though I mean,
that is, there does seem to betimes where cops don't seem to
be held to this, to a higherstandard Seems like it's a lower
one, but I would, I would argue, um for this, this particular

(37:58):
comment.
When we screw up, I kind of wentbackwards, I'm sorry, but um,
something else that came to mindon this particular comment.
When we screw up, I kind ofwent backwards, I'm sorry, but
something else that came to mindon this particular comment when
we screw up as cops, even whenwe do something right, but it
kind of looks like it could bebad at first, you're going to
have the media, you're going tohave your own department.
You're probably going to have asecondary department, like the

(38:22):
state police.
If you're not a state police,um, possibly the doj.
Uh, you're gonna have all ofthese different eyes looking at
you and you're gonna have thecommunity.
So you're gonna have communityoutreach, you're gonna have all
of these eyes city council, youknow, just depends on the
politics of where you're at.
You're gonna have politicianslooking, you're gonna have all
these different eyes.
So that is a higher standardjust in itself, just in the eyes

(38:45):
of any time you screw up.
So I don't agree with you thatit's a lower standard at all.
Are there?
I won't mention where I work,but you guys can figure it out.

(39:06):
I've seen somebody fired,charged, every year that I've
been there.
That's just one.
I know there's been years wherethere's been multiple, but
every year that I've been there,that's just one agency.
That's what I'm trying to sayis it happens all the time.
You just never hear about it.
Why don't you hear about it?
Because nobody gives a shitabout cops doing their job,
doing what they're supposed todo, holding other cops

(39:27):
accountable.
So it happens a lot.
Um, let me see here.
Montero said mr billfold isn'ttrying to have a conversation,
he's being a dick at this point.
I didn't.
I didn't see what he said.
No, he's, he's mr billfold's.
Fine, he, he does.
He gets a little passionate.
But but, um, I watched Frankvideos.

(39:47):
Dude is unfazed.
He don't play games withsomeone.
He pulls over, he gets to thepoint, handles it like a
professional sends them on theirway.
My one of my favorites is um, Ineed your, I need your ID and I
need it now, or something likethat.
And then the person goes totalk.
He's like this is not a debate.
I'm going to tell you one moretime I need your ID, or I'm

(40:07):
going to put my hands on you.
Here's your.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
ID.
Super easy, man, it's supereasy.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Give me what I need.
This is not up for conversation.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
It's not a back and forth, right?
Oh, mr Balele gave me asuggestion here.
Eric, for your QI panel, lookinto Jay Schwickert, police
analyst in Cato InstituteProject on Criminal Justice.
Okay, cool, send me a directmessage on that if you could.
Or, alan, if you could writethat one down and save it for

(40:38):
later.
I'm working on it.
Cool, that way I can look intothat person.
Somebody said question fromfront license plate was stolen
ticket or theft report?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
It should be a theft report.
It's only a ticket if you knowwho stole it, because then it's
theft.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And yeah, yeah, sorry .
You guys know I don't have amoderator so I'm going through
the.
I'm behind on all the commentsso if I miss it and you're like
he didn't answer this one, I'mnot avoiding you.
It's just the more popular weget, the more people we got on
here.
Kaniki said the problem withtoday's policing is the lack of
useful tactical training.
Too many communities nowrequire this touchy-feely
training that does no one anygood on the streets.

(41:23):
I have seen that firsthand be aproblem.
Oh, so I want Tim.
I just made a phone call.
We are working right now totalk about Uvalde because we
have a person that was involvedin the investigation that's

(41:44):
retiring in a month and we'regoing to get that person.
So we're going to wait a monthand we're going to try to get
that dude lined up so they cansay whatever the hell they want
and they don't have to worryabout it.
Ocean Girl said Frank, when youstop someone for speeding and
you say it happens, that soundsto me like you are absolving the

(42:05):
speeder of.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Oh, it happens.
Speeding happens.
People do it, everyone speeds.
I'm not there to chastise them,I'm not there to read them the
riot act.
They did it, it happens.
What also happens is you getissued a citation because that
also happens.
I'm not absolving them ofanything because I'm holding

(42:36):
them responsible by giving thema citation, but I don't need to
sit there and kick them whilethey're down.
So I guess it's just somethingI say.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I think it's a good de-escalation tactic.
Nobody likes being pulled overby the cops and if you can get
them to smile and make light ofit or whatever you know, just
take their mind off of theseriousness of it, because end
of the day it is kind of serious.
Your insurance is going to goup, you know you're going to

(43:04):
have to go to court, um, unlessyou just don't fight it and like
it's pain.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
So, um, voiceover it's also it's also one of the
biggest catalysts to to, um,fatal collisions is speed.
So it is not a big deal untilit is a big deal and then, when
it's a big deal, it's a reallybig deal.
So, um, but the de-escalationis is definitely a uh, you know

(43:29):
it's.
It's a technique that I try touse as much as I can yeah, um,
freeman keys.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
No, you weren't blown off, but I didn't see it.
Sorry, but we're going to getFrank's Instagram heavy message
directly for whatever that was.
I missed it.
Cops, cops, cocks, whateverKick people's doors because a
visitor to their home has anarrest warrant, but they never

(43:58):
get charged with breaking andentering.
Cops kick in people's doorsbecause a visitor to their home
has an arrest warrant.
Well, it's only if they knowfor a fact that that person is
inside and that person is wanted.
So it's not just because andthat person is wanted, so it's
not just because.
But no, you're not going to getcharged Again.

(44:20):
This is one of those thingsthat cops have a right to do.
You do not that often.
Look, it is fancy.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
This camera is throwing me off.
This is the hard part for somepeople.
This is where a lot of debatecomes in, because if you are of
the opinion that you should haveall the rights and the same
stuff that cops can do, we don'treally have common ground to
start from, because that's justnot true.
That's not how it should be, inmy opinion, and that's not how

(44:53):
it is.
That's reality.
That's not how it is.
That's reality.
That's not how it is.
So if that's what you expect,your expectations are not going
to be met, and that's whereyou're going to have discourse.
Municipalities paid 99.9% ofall claims where cops have lost
qualified immunity and werefound guilty.

(45:13):
There is no risk oh, I lost it.
Uh, there's no risk of copsloses their house If a jury is
allowed to actually do theirjobs.
That's a qualified immunitything.
Not going to get into it?
Um, cause I just I don't havethe expertise.
Guys, I'm going to be up heretalking out of my ass.
I refuse to talk out of my ass.

(45:33):
I can tell you how I feel, butyou don't give a shit about how
I feel.
How I feel doesn't mean shit.
So having a visitor with awarrant is not an exigent
circumstance.
You have a wanted individual.
It depends on what they'rewanted for.
Is it a felony warrant?
Is it a misdemeanor warrant?
Now you start getting intototality of circumstances.

(45:55):
Is it a felony warrant?
Is it a misdemeanor warrant?
Now you start getting intototality of circumstances.
Is it a violent felon?
Was it in hot pursuit?
What was it?
No, I would agree, Not everytime.
Is it an exigent circumstance?
Just depends.
Is it a small department?
Is it a large department?
Do they have the resources towait set up, get a perimeter
talk this person out of thehouse?
Do they have the resources towait set up, get a perimeter

(46:16):
talk this person out of thehouse?
Do they know that he went inthe home?
Did they see it?
And now the person's not comingout?
These are all factors.
It's what makes it hard abouttalking about a topic and not
having specifics.
Here's a good one for Frank.
How do you guys articulate?
It's from Adam Daniels.
How do you guys articulate it'sfrom Adam Daniels?

(46:36):
How do you guys articulate bodylanguage, behavior, response?
We already did this one.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Fuck it, pay attention.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Sorry, I was taking notes.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
One job.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Tim said sovereign citizen, I'm not speeding, I'm
traveling quickly.
The best response I've heard tosovereign citizens when they
say that I was traveling is okay, look down at your steering
column there.
What's that D stand for?
Automatically win youautomatically won.

(47:05):
What's the D stand for there?
Drive you were driving, yeah,but we are.
We're way in too deep.
We were supposed to talk aboutthe thing and then get into the
video, so we're going to getinto what we do for the Bodycam
Live Reviews.
If you're new to this, what wedo is we got a bunch of videos
pulled up.
All of these ones are comingfrom Police Activity YouTube

(47:28):
channel, so we're going to pullthose guys up and please like,
subscribe, do all the thingswith police activity.
We pretty much get every videowe show from these guys.
They seem to have everything,um.
But what we are going to do iswe're going to show a video,
we're going to pause itfrequently and let you guys talk
and chat about it, um.

(47:49):
So that is kind of the fun youget to see how a cop views a
call while the call is happening, not after the fact.
We have not watched thesevideos.
I don't think If we have, whilewe're watching it, we notice
that we've seen this one before.
We'll bow out is going to gothrough, but this is the time to

(48:11):
be interactive, ask questions.
You know, critique why did thecops do this?
They should have done this,they did whatever, but it's just
kind of a cool way to get intothe mindset of how police
training is similar.
But we all have different waysto get to the same goal.
So, enjoy, have fun with usguys.
We're going to go first onehere.

(48:33):
We're gonna.
Are you doing it or am I doing?
Alan?
I can do it if you want.
All right, if you think you can.
You got to share the screen,though, bud well, that helps yep
, nope, hit share this tabinstead.
bam there you go, bam there yougo.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Step over there, man.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Thanks, sir.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
Put on my bumper.
What you doing back over thereat Dollar General?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
I came from behind right here, I didn't ask you
that what are you doing at theDollar?

Speaker 6 (49:05):
General.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I was coming from behind here, sir, I wasn't doing
anything.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I'm just standing up there by the ice machine.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
It's Christmas.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Okay, so far, the body language is throwing me off
.
What do you got, frank?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
If the first thing you say is I didn't do anything
wrong, you probably didsomething wrong.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, that's not a common response.
Common response for somebodythat truly did anything wrong is
like can I help you, officer,hey?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
what's up?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
What's up?
Yeah, that is truly a commonresponse for somebody that is
completely oblivious why thecops are coming up to them.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, any of us that are parents, the first thing we
ask our kids about what they didwrong.
They look at us.
I didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Right, yeah, that's funny.
All right, let's keep going.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I know what day it is .

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Don't stand here, and blow smoke at my ass.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
You know you're trespassed from there, you've
been told multiple times.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I just walked through .
I didn't even go in the store.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
You can't be on the property.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Yes, sir, I'm going to my mom's.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I'm going to go to my mom.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Turn around, put your hands on that.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Sir, I'm going to go to my mom.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Put your hands on that bump.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Okay, so he is a known person to be trespassed
from that place and the officersaw him with his own eyes, this
person on the property.
Now I'm going to give you mytraining and experience in this.
I'm going to guess that theyhad called previously about him
being on property, so that's whythey were around the area.

(50:36):
But in the grand scheme ofthings, it's not a big deal
Later, mr Belfold.
So I'm going to say that that'swhy he was out there and
happened to see the dude Shit.
He probably is the one thattrespassed himself and knew.
But in this case, because hewent on the property and he had
a criminal trespass warning, nowit's automatic you go to jail,

(50:59):
so, and that's just being on theproperty.
So where they're off of a road,um, so because they're off the
road, they're on a privatedriveway that belongs to that
business.
That counts as their property,so he doesn't have to be
physically inside the store.
But oh shit, what did we gethere?

(51:20):
Tim Owens, he said I love thesetypes of conversations with
police officials, moreimportantly, the cops on the
street and the citizens and theCitizen Day police.
I think every city and stateshould start something like this
.
I agree.
Thank you very much for thecontribution, tim.
We appreciate that brotherhelps keep us going.
But in this right here, rightnow, we have enough to put this

(51:45):
guy in cuffs and start.
Start the process, frank, whatdo you?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
got Same thing.
I mean, if it again, I didn'tdo anything wrong, but the LEO
already saw him on the property.
You don't have to be in a store, you have to be on their
property.
And if you're over there by theice machine or you're behind
the store, you're on theirproperty.
So you're trespassing.

(52:10):
You don't have to, just youhave to go in through.
You know points of sale oranything.
Like you do.
I, like you, have to worryabout, you know shoplifting.
So he did something wrong.
He knew he did something wrong.
The first words out of hismouth were I didn't do anything
wrong.
Like this is a pretty cut anddry man.
You you know to realize thatthe order for trespass was

(52:35):
serious.
Like hey, look, there'srepercussions and this is what
it is.
You go to jail.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Let me ask this question from you guys.
This just came up recentlylocally, so does the LEO have to
see them on the property?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yes, the LEO needs to see them on the property.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
yes, uh, the leo needs to see them on the
property.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Um well, unless there's video, or unless there's
video, correct um, but that'sgoing to have to be readily
available within a reasonableamount of time during the
investigation.
Um and and again, this is whatmakes this is what I want people
to understand Me.

(53:20):
I'm in a major city 1 to 1.2million people.
I don't have time for this.
If I can get out of this arrest, I'm going to get out of this
arrest.
It has nothing to do with thisdude, the store, whatever it is.
But I may go over to that storeand be like, hey, we saw the

(53:43):
guy on the property.
How do you want us to handlethis?
Try to give him that, becauseif there's 30 calls holding,
that's a reasonable like that'srealistic in my life, like there
could be 30 calls holding.
And now I got to tie up one ortwo guys to go take this dude to
jail for criminal trespass andthat's all I end up getting.

(54:05):
But you go to a smaller townand this is the first call of
the night.
This is the only call of thenight.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
So many times we go on this call and after we've
already got them in cuffs,they're like oh, I don't want to
press charges, I just don'twant them here anymore.
It's like you've already donethis, like then.
Why did you call us?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
yeah, um, ed eddie neal said how do I send you
stars?
Is this the way?
I think that is in YouTube.
I think YouTube is where yousend us the stars at.
Eddie, if you can make your wayover to our YouTube channel at
2Cops1Donut, you should be ableto do that.
But in this, once you start,once you get them right now, the

(54:52):
vibe I'm getting and you guystell me this he's put himself In
a position where I don't feellike he's going to let me grab
him.
Like that's the vibe I'mgetting.
I'm getting rabbit vibesalready.
Like he didn't, I didn't donothing.
It looked like he wascontinuing to back up.
I couldn't tell, but that'sjust kind of the vibe.

(55:13):
Let's play a little bit moreand see where it goes.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
I'm not trespassed.
I'm not trespassed.
You can go ask him, Sir.
You can ask him.
I'm not trespassed, sir.
I promise you.
I didn't do anything sir.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
He's already resisting when I grab your hands
.
The only actions that shouldhappen from here is it should
start to come behind your back.
It should be a very loosefeeling.
He is bringing his arms back infront of him.
It's very hard for you guys tosee man, oh, cementkite80 became
a level one member.
Thank you, appreciate you somuch.

(55:48):
That's awesome.
This is how it starts, andfrank had to buy him and he
probably had to pee.
He's old.
What is it?
What's the prostate?
His prostate is probablyenlarged so he has to pee more
frequently.
But, um, this is one of thethings in use of force that I

(56:11):
want people to understand whycops act the way they do
sometimes.
This right now, I would haveslammed this dude that's me
personally and you're gonna.
Well, that's fucked up.
Why would you do that?
Why?
Because if I slam him and giveso a little bit of overwhelming
force right now and get him tothe ground, it's very likely

(56:32):
that's all that I'm gonna needto do.
I'm gonna get his hands behindhis back and I'm going to affect
the arrest.
But if I start to do the dancespin around with this guy now,
more things start to happen.
He starts to throw a fist, hebuilds a little confidence and
then end up let's just say, justend up tasing him.
Well, now I tased him.
That's a higher use of force.
I just used more force than ifI had just taken him down and

(56:55):
then affected the arrest there.
So it's a weird concept to somepeople when you try to tell
them like I would have used alot of force right here so I
didn't have to use more forcelater because it's justified.
This guy, can I talk him intocuffs?

(57:18):
So you gotta know, like thisguy, this officer seems like
he's by himself.
So maybe using his words is theway to do it, but he is.
He's resisting him turning hisbody back towards the cops when
he's trying to put his armsbehind his back is.
Is that's how this is going?
Um country girl said it isn't.
Isn't it natural to tense upwhen somebody grabs you?
Yes, so there's the whole.

(57:40):
In jujitsu we call it the pushpull principle.
So if I push your arm towardsyour body, your natural instinct
is to push it away.
If I pull your arm towards me,your natural instinct is to pull
it away.
So you're constantly playingthe push pull principle away.
So you're constantly playingthe push-pull principle.
Um, what is not natural is whenI go to put your arms behind

(58:00):
your back and then you start topull that away and keep turning.
As I tell you again, it takes alittle time.
I'm going to give you thatinitial reaction.
Most people don't like to havebe touched or put their arm
behind their back, so I'm goingto give you the initial reaction
.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
But this turning towards the officer right here,
that's where it becomesunnatural well, and you know
when you said you were you'regoing to slam them on the hood.
It's also using the hood asleverage.
It's, yes, you're, you'reforcefully doing it, but it's
also intentionally to get thejob done and go to work.
And, and you know, you useaggression.

(58:35):
You know aggression I don'tthink it's the right word
aggressiveness to make thathappen really quickly.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
So there is less of a fight yeah, um, montero said
eric, chill bro, if you slamanyone, you might be the content
of matt thornton's.
That's very possible.
That's very possible.
Um, but uh, listen, if I'mtaking you to the ground,
there's, there's a reason, um,and so miscombobulation,

(59:06):
discombobulated, discombobulatedadded to this why do you think
you can slam someone to theground for trespassing excessive
?
I don't think I can.
What I think I can slam someoneto the ground for trespassing
Excessive?
I don't think I can.
What I think I can do is, whenI tell you you are under arrest,
put your hands behind your backand you do nothing else.
You do anything else but whatI've just told you.
That is where we have to starthaving the conversation of going

(59:27):
to the ground.
Now, where I'm going to keeparticulating is I'm going to be
talking hey, put your handsbehind your back.
I'm trying to put your handsbehind your back and you are
turning towards me.
I'm going to be having theseconversations because, as long
as I have wrist control, I'm apretty confident guy.
That is very jujitsu oriented.
So for me, I'm not too worriedabout this.

(59:50):
But what I am worried about isif a hand gets free or anything
like that.
Um, but as you can, I'm tellingyou it just depends how tense
they are.
I can't feel this guy, so I'mjust telling you the potential
of things I would do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Um it looks to me I feel like, once I get my hands
on them, I I feel morecomfortable that I'm to the
process of de-escalation,because up until the point that
the body contact is made,there's still flight risk and
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, so I discombobulate.
I see what you're saying.
Yes, if you just leave it at,you know it was for trespass and
you slammed them.
Now that sounds bad, but that'sdifferent, that's just that's.
You know it was for trespassand you slammed them.
Now that sounds bad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
But that's different, that's just that's.
Hey, you woke up to someone,hey, you're trespassing, and
then you leg sweep them.
That's not what this is.
This is.
Hey, you've made contact,You've advised them that they've
committed a crime, You'veadvised them that they're under
arrest.
They you go hands on and thenthey pull away.
You're no longer justtrespassing now.
So you know, I think you're.

(01:01:07):
It's a, it's a gross.
You're being pretty negligentin that you know, topic of
conversation.
They're discombobulated withjust tossing someone.
Slamming someone fortrespassing.
That's not what it is.
In In Arizona, resisting is afelony.
So you've now taken amisdemeanor, which is what
trespassing is, and when I putmy hands on you and you
physically, you know try toresist me, placing you under
arrest.
Now you've committed a felony.
So I'm not slamming you forcommitting a misdemeanor of

(01:01:30):
trespassing, I'm slamming youfor committing the felony of
resisting arrest.
Yeah, so, and is that excessive?
Absolutely not.
And if you think so, I don'tknow what to tell you Don't
trespass.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, yeah, oh Jesus.
What would my mom say?

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I'm seeing people praise her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I don't tend to.
Someone grabs me, I pull away,I swing in defense or sometimes
scream it's my mom, uh, I don't.
That's why I don't touch my mom, I don't want to get hit.
She's left-handed and she has abig ass wedding ring on her
finger, so thing cuts.
But yeah.
So again, I want to.

(01:02:09):
I want to.
I want to make it clear itisn't just because of
trespassing, it's becausebecause, hey, you trespass from
there.
You know you're trespassed fromthere.
Turn around, you're underarrest.
I'm going to put these cuffs onyou.
I grab ahold of you, you startturning.
Don't turn on me, stop, putyour hands behind your back.
You are under arrest.
You are not free to Like.
This is the conversation, allmeanwhile, while this guy is

(01:02:31):
starting to turn towards you andwhat I'm going to assume is
he's about to start fighting.
So let's play a little bit more, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Please, please, please, please, please, please.
I didn't do anything.
You can ask him.
You can ask him, sir, I didn'tdo anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Pause, okay, I'm not a striker.
I don't do anything.
Pause, okay, I'm not a striker.
I don't hit people.
That's my grappling backgroundIn a use of force.
Continuum, if you will.
Is that allowed, frank?
I'll let you go first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I am not a use of force expert by any stretch of
the imagination, I'm also not abig striker, but I think that
he's already shown a propensitytowards not listening to lawful
commands.
You've already gone hands on,there's already been a struggle,
you've already gone down to theground.
He's already, you know, I, Ithink a strike at this point, um

(01:03:36):
, as a way to maybe, um, youknow, get the oodaloop back up
and running right might might beI think I think you're there um
, since the you know all of your, your joint locks or, you know,
manipulation didn't exactlywork.
So maybe a hard, hard, emptyhand might be appropriate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, so I'm in.
This is where we get into theweeds, so I'm not going to
Monday morning quarterback anofficer that's trying to make an
arrest alone.
So is a strike allowed by mostuse of force?
Continuums here yes, so he's,within that reason, reasonable

(01:04:19):
use of force.
Is it how I would do it?
No, my grappling skill level isway up here, so I don't need to
.
I never, like I said, I don'tstrike people, I don't need to.
So is he allowed to do what hejust did?
He gave one strike and heimmediately tried to go in to
grab a hand to continue.

(01:04:40):
He didn't just sit there andbeat the shit out of the dude.
It wasn't a punishment thing,it was boom, and literally we
call it a distraction strikebecause, like Mike Tyson said,
everybody's got a plan untilthey get hit in the mouth.
And the reason he said that isbecause you could be thinking to
do something the moment you gethit.
Everything you was justthinking about, like for this

(01:05:00):
guy, pull my hands in and try toroll to my stomach.
He's not going to be thinkingthat for a second, so it's a
good time.
Throw a strike, try to get thehand behind the back, so that's
pretty common.
So he's trying to get that handbehind the back.
So that that's pretty common.
Um, so he's trying to get thathand right now after throwing
that strike.
I don't recommend it personally.

(01:05:21):
Officers, if you're out therelistening punching people in the
face, it's going to hurt yourhand and it may get the desired
effects.
It may not, but you're going tobreak your hands.
You're punching uh, uh withboxing gloves on and all that
because I've trained in boxingand stuff Like.
When you punch somebody itmesses your hands up for sure.
But he was giving verbalcommands, told them give me your

(01:05:44):
hand, roll on your stomach allthis stuff.
And he's not listening.
So he did deliver one strike.
But let's go to the commentsreal quick, because I know this
is going to get people riled up.
So Tim said the punch to theface, I think, is uncalled for.
You got to remember again.
I'm not making excuses for him,it's not for me, it's not

(01:06:04):
something I would do, but it'sone of the things.
Can you?
Yes, I think in this instancehe can.
He's allowed to by policy andeverything, and then it goes
into the.
Just because you can doesn'tmean you should.
That could be argued For me.
Like I said, my confidencelevel and my training ability is

(01:06:26):
high, especially in thisinstance, like we're on the
ground, the takedown waswonderful.
He actually gave him a verygentle takedown into the grass.
That's ideal.
That's what you look for.
Country Girl said he's pleading, seems more like fear than
aggression.
I don't disagree, but he'sresisting.

(01:06:47):
I have seen plenty of peopleapologizing as they pull a gun
and shoot a cop.
Yep.
So when I watch use of forcevideos you guys know this by now
when I was a use of forceanalyzer for my department, I
watched the first time throughmuted, because I don't care what

(01:07:09):
you're saying, I care whatyou're doing.
It's what your body language isdoing.
That's what I care about,matter of fact.
Let's do that.
I'm going.
You're doing.
It's what your body language isdoing.
That's what I care about.
Matter of fact, let's do that.
I'm going to go back.
We're going to go here.
We're going to mute it.
I kind of want you guys to seewhat I mean.
We'll play.
Let me go to the Now.

(01:07:30):
You guys got an advantage.
You know what he said.
I want you to watch the bodylanguage.
Though he's turning Prettygentle takedown.
What's the hands doing?
He's trying to get back up.
Boom Punches him.
Now he's trying to get thathand behind its back.
These are the things I've seen.

(01:07:51):
He's pushing the head down.
Okay, so I'm getting you intothe mind of how I break down a
use of force video as thatofficer's trying to push his
head down.
What's happening?
He's trying to get back up.
Verbal command should be beinggiven.
We don't know, because we gotit muted right now, but he's
trying to get back up.
You can see that head trying topush.

(01:08:12):
So he's pushing the head down.
The principle is where the headgoes, the body follows.
That's how we're trained.
You can see when he threw thatpunch, his left arm was posting
off of the ground to get back up.
I'm going to go back so you cansee what I'm talking about.
This is the things I start tolook at.
Look right there he's posting.
That arm was flat for a second,which tells me he intends that

(01:08:34):
he's flat right now.
He wants him on his stomach andhe wants his hand behind his
back.
If you can see my mouse as weplay, he posts up right here.
Officer has not struck him yet.
He's trying to get this handbehind his back.
He's telling him to roll overhis stomach so he can put that.
That's the effect that he'strying to use this arm as a

(01:08:55):
pendulum, get it behind his back.
Now he's trying to sit back up.
So he's already taken him onthe ground, he's alone, and now
he's trying to get this guy tostand back up, or the guy's
trying to stand back up.
Boom, now he is going to a knee.
He's starting to get in what wecall turtle position, which is
a very strong position to getback up.
So in that boom he throws thestrike.

(01:09:17):
Now he's trying to go right tothe hand, trying to get him back
down to the ground.
Looks like we threw a couplemore strikes into the hip or
maybe the the common peroneal ofthe arm, or I mean the thigh.
He's still.
He's got collar control.
The guy's not listening.

(01:09:41):
He's posted a leg out now.
Yeah, he was punching him inthe thigh.
So now he's trying to stay intop control From here.
He's pushing the head to theground.
Where the head goes, the bodyfollows, trying to make it hard
for him to get up.
Now he looks like he may go toa knee strike.

(01:10:02):
Now he's trying to pull thatarm back through.
Looks like he's got help.
He's got guys with him, drive,stun, drive, stun, drive, stun.
We got one.
May have been a threat, okay.

(01:10:27):
Okay.
Now what we're going to do?
We're going to go back throughand we're going to listen to it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Sir, I didn't do anything.
Please, please, please, please,please, please.
I didn't do anything, you canask him.
You can ask him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Get over on your belly.
There's a verbal command Get onyour belly Get on your belly.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Get on your belly.
There's three.
You can ask him.
Please Give there's three.
You can ask him, I didn't doanything.
Give me your hands.
Give me your hands.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
So we're giving one strike.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Give me your hands One strike.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Give me your hands.
So it's not that we're beating,beating, beating, beating.
We are one strike.
Verbal command.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
You're giving him the opportunity to comply.
Lady, just ask the lady.
You got to come to the person.
Give me your hands.
I'm sorry, please, let me go.
Father, give me your hands,father, please, father.
You got to put your handsbehind your back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I'm going to tell you I didn't do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
I'm going to tell you I didn'tdo anything.
People, people.
So he's got no leverage here,those strikes weren't doing jack
Because he was behind him.
I didn't do anything, Please.

(01:11:48):
Here's his back up.
I didn't ask the people.
You can ask the people.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I don't think he ever called out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Takes a full five second ride.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Yep.
I plead the blood of Christ andI forgive him for everything
I've done.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
He forgives them for everything that he's done.
That works, so, um, okay.
So, everything I've done, heforgives them for everything
that he's done.
That works, so, um, okay.
So let's, let's go to thecomments on that.
I know there's probably goingto be a lot.
Um, we'll stop sharing this one.
We got through that videopretty good.
Uh, I'm gonna go up.
I know you guys were probablysaying a bunch of shit while it
was going and I wasn't payingattention, so I apologize, um

(01:12:36):
while you're doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
So when he's laying on his back and he's pushing up
to come, try to get into thatturtle position.
I've actually been hit with ahaymaker right there, and so I
would get a little more, youknow, animated to end the uh,
you know to, to get him intothose handcuffs at that point,

(01:12:57):
because he hits you one goodtime across the jawbone, he's
going to knock you out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, country Girl said I see your point, he wants
to escape and who knows whathe's capable of doing to achieve
that.
Yep, that's a fair argument and, guys, end of the day, with
what that officer was allowed todo versus what he actually did,
I think he kept it prettyminimal.
He had a lot higher uses offorce options.

(01:13:23):
Considering he was alone.
That amplifies things.
When you're by yourself, whatyou can do considerably goes up.
We don't know the sizedifference between these two.
I don't think he was usingforce just to punish.
I think he gave a strike, gavea verbal command.
Gave a strike, gave a verbalcommand.
That's pretty common, so I likethat.

(01:13:46):
Again, we don't know his levelof training.
Might not be the best, so stopclicking shit.
I'm going going to the next ohyeah yeah, um, my use of force
instructor from the 90s saidhandcuff in less than 10 seconds

(01:14:07):
or your odds of winningdiminish rapidly.
Um, one of the things that I'llgive this officer props for is
he didn't get his cuffs out.
He did not get his cuffs out.
Where cops get in a lot oftrouble is they get both hands.
Yeah, you need both hands.
He needed both hands in thisand he didn't get his cuffs out.
Yet you don't get your cuffsout officers until they are in a
cuffing position.
In the air force we called itthe final cuffing position.

(01:14:30):
Um, so I was I'm a cop in theAir Force.
For those wondering Marineblood, he said Obert.
Maybe he meant Robert Obert, Idon't know.
Oftentimes an officer will talkto you after they get you in
cuffs, if it gets to that point.
But again, if they insist andyou did nothing wrong, then you

(01:14:50):
argue in court and considersuing.
Yes, if you did nothing wrong,then take the easy lawsuit.
And this is my suggestion toeverybody If you know you did
nothing wrong, comply with theofficer, but make your protest
known.
Hey, officer, I didn't doanything.
I'm going to do what you'retelling me to do, but I just

(01:15:11):
want it noted for your bodycamera or whatever, that I
didn't do this and I'm onlygoing along because you're
giving me the order to do to dowhat you're telling me to do.
But I just want it noted foryour body camera or whatever
that I didn't do this and I'monly going along because you're
giving me the order to do to doso.
Um, you're violating whateverrights right now, depending on
fourth amendment, right?
Uh, whatever you're doing,maybe you were doing some first
amendment stuff and they didn'tlike that.
So I needed a little sip ofsmoke wagon, a little shout out

(01:15:32):
smoke wagon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Still not a sponsor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Still not a sponsor.
They're not a sponsor, but I'mgoing to keep plugging them.
Man, it's my favorite whiskey.
What do you want me to do?
I refuse to give up on thembecause it's all I drink.
So boom Cree.
Gordon said at this point doyou let dispatch know of the
situation?
Push your panic button insteadof punching.

(01:15:56):
I'm a big fan of trying to getthe message out, if I can.
Also, you'll hear me a lot onvideos like shut up, quit
talking on the radio and handlewhat's in front of you.
This was a two-handed situation, so I don't know.
It depends on how his radiosetup is For some reason.

(01:16:17):
I mean shit, frank doesn't evenwear a body camera.
There's some cops out therethat don't have earpieces.
So, frank, do you have anearpiece?
No, oh my God, you're so out ofit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I have one on my SWAT kit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Oh, of course you do, you're all, but in the field
you're like Jeez.
Could you please get anearpiece?
You work traffic.
How do you get away with nothaving an earpiece?
I can't hear.
I can't hear.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
I'm not worried about what's going on in the radio,
man, I'm worried about the carI'm walking up to.
Oh my God, I can't hear.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I'm not worried about what's going on on the radio?
Man, I'm worried about the carI'm walking up to.
Oh my God, I can't.
I got to have an earpiece budso, with that said, I'm trying
to get to all the comments there.
Nina Sandra said good eveningsirs Eric Levine, frank Slope
and Alan Nelson.
Good evening, my lady.
That looks like a lady.

(01:17:16):
Yeah, good evening, my lady.
That looks like a lady.
Comply now, complain later.
Listen, I want you guys to winyour lawsuits.
If you're justified and you'reright, I want you to win your
lawsuits.
There is nothing that looksbetter than when you go to court
and they see the nicest copever on body cam and the biggest
asshole cop and you are 100%,100 right.

(01:17:36):
Be that guy.
Because when, when, when thejury or whatever court you have
decides to award you money,they're gonna be like how could
you be such a dick to thatperson?
Versus like, I know my rights,I know my rights, and then you
resist and you do all this shit.
It doesn't look as good.
You could still be right and doall that, but now you're at a

(01:17:59):
health risk you just look writeryeah, you want to look more,
writerer look more.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Writerer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah, I think that's a word.
I make words up, man my auntieis in the house.
What's up, auntie?
I recently saw a video of atyrant.
I make words up, man.
My auntie is in the house.
What's up, auntie?
I recently saw a video of atyrant marshal, and every time
he cuffs someone, heaggressively twisted their arm
before cuffing.
Is that a typical move?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
There is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, it just depends .
What we used to teach people iscalled the handcuffing notch.
I don't even know if that's areal term, but there's a little
bone on the wrist and that'swhat you aim for, and you twist
the wrist until you could expose.
The handcuffing notch is whatit was called.
Some people are super Gumby, soit appears that you're twisting

(01:18:49):
the shit out of their arm whenyou're really not just their arm
corkscrews on its own.
So, um, I already clicked thatone, sir.
Uh and uh, alan's cut off.
So, um, I would have to see thevideo.

(01:19:10):
Um, but uh, what tim said I'dhave to see the video.
But what Tim said I'd have tosee the video.
But yes, yes, it kind of istwisting when you go to handcuff
, like you're supposed to twistand do all that.
There's a lot of lazy cuffingout there too, and when I see
some of these guys cuffing, I'mlike no wonder shit went wrong.
You cuff like an asshole.
So you know, I understandfighting in some situations.

(01:19:33):
But at this point, what do youhope to accomplish?
You're not getting away, you'recaught.
That is what we tend to say too.
It's like, why are you fighting?
But some people have got away,some people have got away.
I just got outran.
The other day, guys, I had aCamaro run for me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I was in it for all of five seconds other day, guys,
I had a camaro run for me.
I was in it for all of fiveseconds.
Our uh, our, our stage troopersjust got a camaro in the area
that I work.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, and that thing is lightning fast oh, they got
one for their, yeah, I.
So this car comes.
I'll give you guys a quickbackstory.
Um, it's christmas night.
It's Christmas night, okay, I'mworking.
We had somebody that allegedlyhad an AR at the bar and took
off.
So I was like I bet they'regoing to go towards the freeway.

(01:20:21):
So I go towards the freeway andas I get to the freeway we get
the call.
The call was bullshit, like youknow how that goes.
Somebody said a person had agun and then the cops actually
get unseen while they'reinvestigating.
Turns out, well, he said he wasgoing to get one.
So nobody saw a gun and youdidn't have one.
No.
So I'm like taking the walk ofshame back to my area, all of a

(01:20:43):
sudden a Camaro comesfishtailing off the freeway,
runs a red light right in frontof me, yeah, but I'm far enough
back that I know he doesn't seeme.
So I'm like, oh shit.
So I race up and I'm going toget the plate.
I get the first three lettersand he sees me and I'm like, oh
shit, what's the last four?
And he had already taken off.
I was like, oh no.
So I hit my lights and I hit thegas as fast as I can for a

(01:21:07):
Tahoe and my man went, dukes ofHazz, hazard airborne over an
intersection that had a big dipand I'm like I'm getting ready
to say it over the radio.
But I kind of got lost in thesauce for a second and I'm like,
oh, he's gonna wreck out.
And I was like I got, I hadmanaged to get out.
I got one running hold on asecond, that's all he said.

(01:21:29):
I got one running hold on asecond.
He hits the ground in the waythe curve went.
He hit it Perfect, like he hitsthe ground, squawk sideways and
just takes the curve.
And it was a sea of red lightsthrough our downtown.
It's Christmas night, there'sno cars on the road.
He blows every red light,probably 15 of them.
And what do I have to do?

(01:21:50):
I have to clear everyintersection and I'm like
terminate.
What do I have to do?
I have to clear everyintersection and I'm like
terminate, I'm done, I didn'teven go, I didn't even bother.
He was so far gone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
That car was so fast and hey, here's a here's a,
here's an interesting piece forall your young cops out there.
Did they dock your pay?

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
for canceling your own pursuit.
No, they didn't.
They didn't dock your pay.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
No, I was like what.
You just let that car go andthen you went back to work.
You incurred no liability, noone got hurt.
Yep, you still got paid.
You went on about your night.
Learn from these.
Learn from this, the seniorsergeant that you are, and you
don't have to chase every carthat runs from you Sometimes you

(01:22:37):
just go bye Now my team madefun of me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Oh, what's up, Sarge?
I thought we catch bad guys andI'm like, look, Even if I
wanted to catch him his car itwould have been like me getting
in the ring with Mike Tyson MikeTyson now or Mike Tyson in his,
his prime, it wouldn't matter,I'd have got my ass kicked.

(01:23:03):
So this would have been thesame trying to catch this damn
car.
That dude's car was so fast itwas gone.
I didn't he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
He didn't have the special rules either.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
No, no recent fight no, I just remember right as I
terminated, I could just, likeyou know, when the lights fade
into the, into the distance, Icould just see a little bit of
him.
I goes.
Yeah, he's gone, gone, oh shit,ah, anyway, let's go.
Let's eric allen, you showingoff your lightsabers tonight.

(01:23:33):
Yeah, yes, sir, uh, as a matterof fact, I was.
Since the move, I have not beenable to find my darth vader hilt
.
I've got a darth vader uh hilt,by the way.
So, um, the new website isalmost done, guys, almost done.
Um, and everybody on theyoutube channel right now that
has, you know, gone above andbeyond and done some of that

(01:23:55):
monetary subscriptions and stufflike that.
Thank you so much.
You are what helps keep theshow going.
You are how I get people likeFrank on here.
So we appreciate that.
Discombobulated said respond.
Resumed to my.
I'm going to make funny.
You discombobulated because youfreaked out.
Resumed to my comment.

(01:24:15):
Please, arrows, arrows, arrows.
Let me see what you said.
Buddy, let me go back up.
Wait what?
Wait what?
You want the people to spendthousands of dollars to prove
you at fault and cause thetaxpayers to pay out?
What did I miss?
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
oh, that's when you said hey, go to, you could take
us to court and oh, oh, yeah,yeah, um yeah, no, that's,
that's not what I want and, bythe way, if they, if they're
found to do nothing wrong,they're not going to spend
thousands of dollars, becauseall of your court costs are also
going to be covered by thestate, so you're not going to be

(01:24:59):
any amount out of pocket.
So, and let me tell you, wejust spent 2.8 billion to
Ukraine.
We spend money on a ton worsestuff than this.
So like get off your taxpayersto pay out, high horse on that
one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Yeah, you know.
And then here's one part thatwill really piss you off.
Um is, a lot of times agencies,even when they're in the right,
won't fight it because it'scheaper to just pay out versus
going to court and fighting it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
So the insurance, like our insurance pool, makes
that decision.
They said look, it's easier tocut a check for a small amount
than to take them to court,costing the taxpayers more money
, even if we are totally on themountain of right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I like it.
I like what you do there.
Product placement everything.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
But that's I mean, that's something that we do all
the time.
Smoke a wagon whiskey, there wego, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom nom
In my belly.
You know, I've been, I've beentold, hey, look you're, you are
100% in the right, but we'regoing to pay out on this because
it's cheaper, cheaper, and, asa young cop, um, oh, that hurts,
boy, it hurts, it hurts.
And I didn't understand it.
That it's not about a game ofright and wrong, it's about a

(01:26:21):
game of dollars and cents yeahand that's how insurance
companies look at it yeah, um, Ithis dude.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
He comments a lot of my stuff on youtube and I love
his fucking name, deputy acornMagdump, because I know exactly
what he's referring to thatridiculous officer that decided
to heard a gunshot coming out ofhis car.
You remember that?
I'm guessing that's what he'stalking about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
I think there was a prisoner in that car also yeah,
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
He thought he was shooting at him with a silenced
weapon out of his car.
That was the response yeah,suppressed, jeez old feets, oh
my God.
But yes, we do spend stupidmoney on cops being stupid, I
agree, but depending on what thecop did they need to go, or is

(01:27:17):
it a training issue that thedepartment didn't realize it had
?
That's the things that nobodyever wants to follow up on.
They're like, oh, that copfucked that up.
He's an idiot.
Now he's going to cost us abunch of money.
But then come to find out thatdepartment never trained that,
never told him that.
So do you want to fire that guybecause he wasn't trained right

(01:27:39):
?
He said 100, that's it.
That's the best you know.
Ghost patch, which is ourofficial sponsor, um, which
makes these fancy metal badges,by the way, uh, frank, this is
yours.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
That I need to go pick up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Yep, it's still just sitting in the office underneath
look at that, look at thatchallenge coin yeah, oh, I don't
even have one of those yet Iforgot it was christmas our
challenge coins are out um.
You know, I sit my, I sit yourbadge frank on top of this patch
.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
So yes, it was right there, uh.
So someone super cool made thishat and sent it to me.
Oh really, yeah, these aren'tfor sale.
This is a one-of-a-kind and areally awesome viewer.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
It looks like a SWAT hat.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Yeah, but it's a prize of Frank.
Yeah just cool, just a coolbadge.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Sorry, Kingslayer, he donated $5 for the cause.
Thank you very much, Kingslayer.
He said super chat.
Oh, I'm reading what it saysthat Acorn cop should have been
charged with negligent dischargeof a weapon Another story of
cops being held to a lowerstandard.
He absolutely should have beencharged.
Is that what the outcome was?

(01:28:52):
I thought he was.
I thought he was charged once.
Let's look acorn cop.
Uh, I guess I should learn howto spell acorn cop results.
Let's see um.
So, according to reddit, he hasnot been charged criminally yet

(01:29:15):
.
That's crazy.
I'm trying to find the mostrecent news on this Acorn
shooting incident lawsuit.
September 11th looks like thelatest one.

(01:29:37):
It's a lawsuit that's beenfiled.
Of course, um.
According to this um, he willnever feel.
Let me see, maybe you guys knowmore than me.
Uh, because what I'm looking upis not working.

(01:29:58):
I don't know, if he was fired,what the deal was, so I will say
that when you shoot your gunlike that, you don't get to be a
cop anymore.
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
I agree with that.
You don't get to be a copanymore.
Yep, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
You don't get to be a cop anymore.
So that guy needs to be firedand I cannot see a reason that
he wouldn't get criminal charges.
But I don't know what the restof that is.
So there was a post thatresonated with me that two cops

(01:30:37):
went donut made saying agenciesin the area, trying to claim
blank when they really work.
I don't know what he's tryingto say.
There are posts resonated withme that may say agencies in the
air trying to claim oh, I thinkhe said, when they work, smaller
agencies in the area.

(01:30:58):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you'resaying.
Yeah, there's.
There tends to be this side note.
There's a lot of officers thatwill claim they work in a major
city and they work on theoutskirts.
They don't work in in thatmajor city.
So I am not one of thosesirirts.
They don't work in in thatmajor city.
So, um, I am not one of those,sir, but we don't talk about

(01:31:18):
where I work on here.
But you can figure it out.
Um, and yeah, I get what you'resaying.
Um, nina said I got a couplechallenge coins, one from my
school intern, from the campus.
Then my local pd, uh, gave meone earlier this year for
completing the citizens academyprogram, which I highly
recommend it if your departmenthas yeah, they're amazing, they

(01:31:40):
give you great a lot yes, onpolice use of force.
You get to put yourself in thescenarios and all that stuff.
Um, I feel bad for the car.
Small den on the roof, 30bullet holes on the sides, very
true, all right, let's get toanother video.
Let me see here Share screenBoom, boom.

(01:32:04):
Again.
We don't know what we'rewatching.
Viewer discretion advised.
Shout out to Police Activities,paige Okay.
So what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
He's grabbing dishes and trying to use them against
me.
Who is this?
He's got the plastic knife.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
And is he drunk on any type of drugs?
He's drunk.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
I know he's drunk.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
San Jose.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
Police Department, hold your hands up.
Horacio San Jose Police.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
Department.
Come out with your hands up.
Horacio San Jose Police.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Okay, she said he had a plastic knife.
Is a plastic knife a deadlyweapon?
Can be.
I guess it depends on who youare.
Depends on what it is and whoyou are.
Are you John Wick, chuck Norris?
Are you in?

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
the jail setting yeah , and who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Are you John?

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Wick Chuck Norris.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Are you in the jail setting yeah right, Is it a
shank?

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Right there.
No, I got two beds.
I got a light stand TV on theleft corner.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
And there's an open door on the right that leads to
another bed.
Yeah, on the right side.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
There's another bed on the left side.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I'll go left for me.
I know he's in the house, right?
Is that what they just said?
That he's still in the house?
Let me go back san jose policeyour hands up.
Oh, that must have been asuperintendent.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
No, I got two beds and I got like a nightstand TV
on the left corner and there'san open door on the right that
leads to another bed.
Yeah, the right side.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
There's another bed on the left side.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
I'll go left, you go right, yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
So I was wrong.
I thought that that was thecomplainant was right there.
That was the superintendentthat opened up that apartment
door for them.
So I don't know that I'm goingto.
I don't personally think I'mgoing to clear this house with
my two people Knowing that we'vegot a possible domestic and
there's a deadly weapon involved.
I'm going to clear this housewith my two people knowing that
we've got a possible domesticand there's a deadly weapon

(01:34:15):
involved.
I'm not clearing this now.
I've got that luxury.
This could be a smalldepartment where backups 45 to
an hour away, I don't know.
Um, oh, never mind.
I just glanced up at the title.
It says San Jose.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
They got a lot of officers, so that's not the case
if it were me, I'd be showingup at this with two officers
yeah, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
I'm not clearing this with just two of us and
separating you, can't clearanything with two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Yeah, like you're right there in the threshold,
you're.
One person holds the open door,that's it, you're.
You're out of people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Yeah, let's get, wait , wait.
I guess it could be.
If you are a little guy likeEric, fuck off Acorn.

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
San Jose Police Department.
Horacio, come out with yourhands up, horacio.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
San Jose Police.
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
My man wants to be front row.
I just wanted to help.
Don't neglect the pile ofclothes.
You always got to kick the pileof clothes.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Hey, show me your fucking hands, dude you you
called it there it is I'mtelling you, man, it's where you
least expect them you look at apile of clothes.
You're like I wouldn't hide inthere if I were them and you're
like, let me poke it just incase.
Yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:35:54):
Hands.
Man Don't be stupid, right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Okay, I really like her tone.
She's being super relaxed.
Even when she was calling outshe wasn't acting like.
You know how Frank acts whenhe's on a SWAT call.
She was very chill, relaxed,you know, no command presence.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Yeah, Just trying to make it chill and see what's
going on.
Now, once I find him, I'mbacking the fuck up Like I'm not
going to stand over top of thatunless I can see hands.
If I can't see hands, I'mbacking up and I'm putting
something between us.
Whether that's the doorway thatlooks like, if you can see my

(01:36:35):
mouse, it kind of looks likethat's a dresser that doesn't
get used, apparently.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
You were 10-6 on the suspect in the back bedroom.
All right, show me both of yourhands, or force is going to be
used against you.
Do you understand?

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
It's a weird way to phrase it, but okay.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
Los monos.
We'll wait for one more unitand we'll just pull him out.
Got that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
No, I'm not.
There was a knife reported.
Hopefully that was put on theMDC on their in-car computer for
those that don't know what MDCis.
I am not touching you until Isee both hands.
I'm not getting close to youuntil I see both hands.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
I think I would have been a little more escalated on
my commands.
Even if he didn't speak thelanguage that I spoke, he would
understand.
I was very matter-of-fact.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Marlos Arriba is pretty easy to say.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Yes, correct, I understand what you're saying.
Ooh, shout out to Tim.
He became a member of Two Cops,one Donut on our YouTube
channel.
Thank you, buddy, appreciateyou, man.

(01:38:13):
It means a lot, truly, honestly, every time you guys send like
personalized messages like, hey,man, because of your show, this
, because your show that, youknow I hated cops and this one
thing you said.
You know I still hate cops, butwhat you said is cool, like I
share that with the network.
Every single time I get amessage like that.
So when you guys sign up andbecome members of our stuff like

(01:38:34):
that speaks volumes that we'redoing the right thing, that we
need to keep doing what we'redoing.
So thank you very much, tim.
I really do appreciate it,buddy.
Um, but back to this.
I get what you guys are sayingabout elevate, elevating,
escalating your tone.
Um, tomato, tomato.
Each person has their own wayand in this one I think we're

(01:38:54):
being subjective.
Um, I kind of dig it, I, I.
It's honestly one of thereasons I like working with
females because they have a wayof deescalating things better
than us.
So maybe it works for her.
I'm going to guess it doesn'tbecause it's on YouTube, but, uh
, you know how often does thatthat typically works?
Um, oh, I think I.

(01:39:15):
I think I sweet-talked DeputyAcorn Magdump in, because I keep
giving his names prompts hebecame a member as well.
Thank you, brother, Iappreciate it.
So yeah, tim helping me outsaid or mobile data terminal,
which is why we say MDT, mdc,mine is Mobile Data Computer,
which is just another stupidname for it, to say in-car

(01:39:38):
laptop.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
But let's keep going.
Show me your hands.
Los manos, los manos, los manos.
Put your hands up.
Whoa, he got the 100 yardsthere.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
Keep going, man Los manos.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Back up, back up, back up, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 6 (01:40:00):
Let me tell you something, sam, 3 shots fired,
don't think that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Oh, she's shooting a staccato.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
Yeah, she is shooting a staccato.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
I don't think that blanket stopped that round I
don't think it did either.
She's still super calm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Yeah, she is, that's her personality.
I mean, damn, they did try.
They tried taser.
That's the problem.
It didn't matter where theywent, they were in such tight
quarters all the way around.
That is a unique like.
This is not a normal area.
Look, this is like some weirdkitchen of, like a business

(01:40:51):
doesn't.
Isn't that what that looks liketo you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
like it does.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
It looks like a restaurant yeah, like the back
of a restaurant maybe, orsomething um making burritos
yeah, let's keep going yeah, gooutside, go get out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Hey, go just go outside, you guys, good, yep,
yep.

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
Hey boss, go to the front of the street Back up, get
out in the front yard, please,sir.
Thank you, are you okay?

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
You good.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
I'm good.
Are you good, Singh?
Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Just watch that back window for me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I'm going to watch the front.
Okay, we're going to getanother view.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
I'm going to come out for you.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Hands up, hands up, hands up, hands up You're going
to get chased.
You're going to get chased.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Hey, you're going to get chased.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Get back, get back, get back.
Okay, something to consider.
Look who is right behind her.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
He reaches out, grabs for the taser.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Look who's right next to her.
Yep Citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Citizen who they told to stay out of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Yeah, his hand was on the door when she shot.
Oh, I went too far.
Look, his hand is that's thecitizen's hand, and then this is

(01:42:46):
hers.
Yep, okay, I can kind of see itnow.
At first I was like, ooh, notfor me, doesn't mean I'm right,
but not for me.
But you got homeboy standingright next to you and he's

(01:43:08):
actively reaching, trying tostop you from tasing.
He keeps coming forward.
He's got this knife holding itin a fucking combat way.
I I don't know if that's a realcombat way when people hold
their knives like that.
It's always weird.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
To me it's the overt attack position, though?
Yeah.
You're not going to like thatat all.
It's a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Yeah, it's like a movie scenario type thing, but
seeing that we got a third anglehere, nothing, okay, let me.

(01:43:48):
We got a third angle here.
Damn, every room is tight.
You think you can get underthere.
I just lifted the bag you knowand you gotta start to talk
about intention as well thisguy's hiding.

(01:44:10):
He knows the cops are there andhe's hiding.
It ain't normal to hide under abunch of nasty clothes.
It ain't normal to hide under abunch of nasty clothes.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
Hey, show me your fucking hands, dude, show me
your hands.
Man, don't be stupid right now.
Yeah, just stay out there, boss.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
I still don't see him .

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Oh, there's a hand, there's another.

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
Hey, stay out there she called it out, yep.
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
This guy's body camera watching.
We're going to have words afterthis.
Did you see what I saw thisguy's pushing towards us?
Watch what he does with hisleft hand.
I'm going to go back just alittle bit.
Watch what our guy that we'rewatching right now.
Watch what he does with hisarms.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
Whoa, whoa, whoa you go you go, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Nope.
So this goes more into whymaybe she's shot.
She feels hands behind herpushing her forward.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
This is why we do what we do.
Guys, how pissed would you beknowing you're trying to back up
, get away from a guy with aknife?
What's the old added rule?
21 foot rule?
We were always within threefoot of this guy, so we're well
within the kill range of a knife.
Yep, and as you're trying toretreat, you have a citizen that
shouldn't have been there inthe first place, was holding the

(01:46:12):
door with you as you shot andyou got your partner pushing you
forward as he tries to back up.
Holy shit, and she only firedone round.
What do you guys think in thechat after us pointing that part
out, like now I'm not you know,like I said, not for me, but

(01:46:37):
now that I'm seeing what I'mseeing where she physically he
pushed both officers.
He pushed on the first dude inthe, in the, in her Frank,
you're being awfully quiet onthat one, but I just I'm I'm
trying to figure out, like whatthe whole?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I don't, I don't, I don't understand what he's doing
.
Like I don't know if he'strying to grab her to like, pull
her back, like, because we doit all the time.
So you can keep your eyesforward and I have to look down,
like hey, guiding someonebackwards right, signaling them
you're there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Yeah right, like hey man guiding them right either.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
I'm here, you can come back.
It's clear behind you, like toyou know.
Continue your unassing of thesituation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Yeah I felt like they were trying to get out of there
right, so that would make senseto cree gordon.
He said, yeah, at this point Iwould have retreated to the
doorway and I think they theywere trying to, especially once
they were like, oh, he's got aknife.
They all unasked, they all gotoff of him and they all started
going backwards.

(01:47:45):
But, like we saw in this guy'svideo, he was pushing forward as
he was trying to make his wayback.
I don't think he was doing thatintentionally to push him
towards them, but he could onlyback up so fast as well, because
you guys saw how tight that was.
Now you got four bodies tryingto fit through the door and get
out of there because thatcitizen was in the way.
He shouldn't have been there,which that may have been the

(01:48:09):
dude interpreting, I don't know.
Looking through the commentshere, ozark Moon said I want to
hear what she has to say in thelocker room after this.
She is not going to besoft-spoken then.
No, she's definitely not,because I can tell you right now
I wouldn't even have beenwaiting until the locker room as

(01:48:29):
soon as this was secure and wewere back to the sector or
wherever we're going to be.
There's an ass whoopingprobably coming with that.
The sector or wherever we'regoing to be like there's an ass
whooping probably coming withthat.
Like bro, you pushed me into asituation that maybe I would
have made a different decision.
Maybe we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
But well, and we saw again and another video where
you know tasers always work yeah, they're too close, just too
close um the new taser is likethis yeah, and for those that
are wondering why we're laughingand joking about it is like
taser.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Spread is everything.
For it to work, to get the nmineuromuscular incapacitation
look, I haven't drank too muchbecause I said that without
problem.
Um, by getting the NMI, youneed a lot of spread.
The more spread, the morebetter.
So if they're too closetogether it's just a localized
pain, but the more they getspread, the ultimate goal for an

(01:49:28):
officer is one below the hipand one above the hip, for
whatever reason.
When you split that equatorthere, you get what you need.
It locks them up and they fallover equator.
There you get what you need.
It locks them up and they, theyfall over.
Um, but it didn't work.
He was still actively attackingwith his hands.
So that's why we say when youwatch these things at face value
, you know how good.
Give yourself a honestself-assessment.

(01:49:49):
How good would you have brokenthis video down on your own,
watching this, versus havingthree seasoned officers sit here
and watch it and start to pointout these little things.
So things to consider.
Anthony Lassalou it's a coolname said backing up in tight
quarters is not easy.
Perhaps he was about to tripand got caught up on something.

(01:50:10):
Yeah, I agree.
Like I said, I don't think hewas intentionally pushing his
people forward.
I think he was catching himselfas he was backing up as a
natural instinct, trying to grab, push, pull, whatever you're
going to do.
But I think that's what he wasdoing.
I know that's how SWAT theydon't move anywhere without
touching each other.
That's right, just consistconstantly.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
It's for our safety.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Well, and how many of the houses that we go in look
just like that or in a differentstuff everywhere, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
That never gets reported.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
You know it's not like we're walking into perfect
scenario every time.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And like when one of them saidyou think somebody could fit
under there, I check If I evenhave a like.
Well, well, maybe, like it hasto be a astounding.
No, there's absolutely zero waysomebody could fit in there for
me to not check.
But if I've got the ability tocheck, I'm checking.
Um, going to the comments,marine blood said uh, they were

(01:51:13):
close.
They were almost close enoughto have manually inserted probes
and then pulled the trigger.
You get a taser.
You get a taser probe, justdarting them with your hands.
Oh, says, am I wrong?
It's a good shoot despite thecrappy situation.
No, I agree, I was on the fencewhen we watched the first body

(01:51:34):
cam video.
I was on the fence when wewatched the first body cam video
.
I was on the fence, but as wesaw the angles break down, with
the citizen being right next tohim, we saw on body cam two and
then on body cam three, we sawhim pushing his guys forward,
not allowing them to back up,maybe as quickly as they would
have.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Yeah, I think I can completely see now why she fired
around.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
yeah, I think I can completely see now why she fired
around.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Well, in defense of a third party, of the unarmed
citizen standing next to her isyeah, that's a pretty compelling
reason to fire around.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Yeah, and again, when you look at the video and see
his hand is on the door when theround goes off, you know it's
pretty damn close.
Departments issue staccatos toofficers.
They do not.
Uh, I love staccatos.
I paid over $3,000 for the oneI have.
What they do like what mydepartment does.
They're approved.
You can carry them, but theysure as shit are not going to

(01:52:26):
buy you one.
I will have one one day.
One day Because my department.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
You should get one, they're fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Fuck you, Frank fun.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Ah, fuck you frank I want one.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
You have kids I have guns, yeah I have kids I know
about.
You may have some littlefranklings out there and yet I
have guns, so we're good on themountain of right agreed.
I feel the citizen behind themplayed a bigger part.
Yeah, I yeah watching it nowbecause, shit, guys, let's say

(01:53:02):
she didn't and he lunged forwardand just paper cut that dude.
You guys just talked aboutlawsuits.
You don't think that he's gonnasue the shit out of the
department for letting him getsliced?
You guys asked me to open thedoor.
You didn't tell me how far togo away.
You didn't speak any spanish.
I was speaking it for you andI'm guessing on that.

(01:53:24):
I don't know if he was speakingit for him.
So, like you, damned if you do,damned if you don't sometimes
in this job.
So anyway, let's, uh, let's goto the next video.
Frank, I expected a lot morepeople from your channel on here
.
They are not used to you beingon live.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
This is the first time ever I know we're breaking
the mold today.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
I know what we need to do is we just need to make
this official and bring in theFridays with Frank under the Two
Cops umbrella.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Maybe spend a lot of time with you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Yeah, technically you can't cause it's not yours.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
I'm on, I'm on my own channel.
Oh, are you?
Yeah, the channel that I'm wentlive on is my channel.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
I thought that it was still okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Okay, fair enough, sir.
Fair enough, let's share thistab instead.
I've started a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Franklin's.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
We need a Franklin shirt.
I'm a Franklin.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
You're the size of one.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Guys, I'm not going, not gonna lie.
Frank is bigger than you thinkhe is when you see him on tv.
I stood next.
I'm like jesus christ.
You're like six two.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Bro, doesn't look like that on tv you know, I hear
that a lot and people meet melike you're taller than I
thought I'm, like I'm afull-size human.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
You are yeah you're a big dude, you're like, you're
how I picture swat guys, like Ididn't expect that.
Yeah, I mean looking at youright now.
You, you don't look like muchof a man yeah, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
They don't put me in that mix yeah you're not fitting
under that bed.
Huh, yeah, yeah I don't go infrank, would have been holding
the door.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
So, all right, let's see.
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(01:55:38):
So yeah, let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
I think I hit play 918, just 43.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
This is 819 suspect vehicle and shots fired earlier
today.
All right, I'm going to pausethat right now because that's
pretty important details Suspectvehicle from shots fired
earlier that day and he's at aMr Euros, so it looks like a
home that stays over top of abusiness.
I used to live in one of those.
It was awesome $400 a month forrent and a 1,200 square foot

(01:56:16):
residence.
It was awesome.
That was in michigan oh, morejuice sticks.

Speaker 6 (01:56:40):
Damn Good boy too, why do we get put on?

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Oh, so they was in the car.
Shit, I didn't realize we weredoing a traffic stop.
I thought they saw the car atthe business.
Okay, so we got a traffic stop.
Now let's get into this part,guys.
Do we have reasonable,articulable suspicion to pull
everybody out of this vehicleand detain them?
Yes, cool.

(01:57:06):
So just so, us three on thepanel agree, as law enforcement
officers, that we have enough topull every one of these guys
out, put them in cuffs anddetain them.
Okay, now for you guys in thecomment section.
Do you think that we're right?
Because, based on this vehiclebeing involved in a shots fired

(01:57:27):
call earlier in that day and weconducted a traffic stop, I
don't know what the traffic stopwas for.
That could have been part of it, Don't know.
But right now we've got enoughto stop and detain.
My man's not wearing a seatbelttoo.
I can see that right away, so Ican automatically pull him out

(01:57:49):
and ID him.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
So the driver just said I don't have a driver's
license so, as Frank would say,it doesn't seem like he should
be driving.
So right now we've got enough.
Countrygirl said unfortunately,under Pennsylvania versus MIMS
you do anyway Kind of.
You don't have a right to ID,but when you have an offense, a

(01:58:21):
traffic offense, you do.
Pennsylvania versus MIMS isjust enough to get everybody out
of the car Because the car wasinvolved in a shooting earlier.
Now we've got enough to atleast put them in cuffs, to
detain them, and then we can goon to the identifications as
we're going.

Speaker 5 (01:58:40):
So my driving license .
It was fucked up.
It's been fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
I don't like having crap in my hands.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
I've seen this video, eric, our resident attorney did
a breakdown on this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
Oh, oh okay, I haven't seen that one.
So, um, I will say right nowI'm not comfortable with having
things in my hands and I haven'tpulled these guys out of the
car one at a time like I.
Everybody's getting pulled outof this car one at a time.
Country Girl said you didn'tsay ID Eric.

Speaker 6 (01:59:20):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
I was talking about pulling them out of the car.
You jumped the gun, missy.
You can pull them out of thecar and because of the no
seatbelt, I've automatically canID him and the driver's license
automatic.
Well, you had a traffic offenseanyway, you can ID that person,
so we're're gonna keep going.
What's what's your first name?

(01:59:42):
I do like we can see theirhands.
What's your first name?

Speaker 6 (01:59:48):
I don't have to talk well, you do, because you're not
wearing a seat belt.
No, I took my seat belt offwhen y'all came up?

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
no, you didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:59:54):
It's not even latched , so you can either go to jail
if you put in handcuffs, or youjust give me your name.
My name is Karen DeJanes.
But okay, my name is KarenDeJanes.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
You don't have to be rude.

Speaker 6 (02:00:03):
That's what I'm saying.
You're being rude.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
It's not necessarily being rude, it's not rude.
You challenged theidentification, which is your
right.
You even tried to plead thefifth at first and I was going
to go.
Okay, impressive.
If you just decide to remainsilent, that's fine, but you can
get at least in my state youcan get what's called cash

(02:00:29):
bonded.
You're not wearing a seatbeltin lieu of a ticket, I'm just
going to take you to jail, so wecan do that.
In that process you're going toget identified and we're going
to investigate further into seeif there's any merit behind the
shooting from earlier.
Cree Gordon said and I apologizeif I'm not saying your name,
right he says also his bodylanguage keeps looking down,

(02:00:49):
probably something below him orunderneath his legs.
I would agree.
I would agree.
I think that there's some stuffgoing on there.
Exigent circumstances you wantthem out of the car.
Just in case of a weapon, youcan't really articulate exigent
circumstances because we don'tknow how long ago the shooting
was.
So if the shooting was 20minutes ago, you can make the

(02:01:14):
argument.
If the shooting was three hoursago, you can't.
You got to kind of walk a fineline now.
So that's why I was saying Igot enough to detain them, put
them in cuffs.
I don't have enough right to IDthem yet.
But no seatbelt, no driver'slicense those two can get ID'd
right away.
So we're going to get everybodyout of the car.
This is how I would handle itGet them all out of the car, get

(02:01:40):
them cuffed, pat them down,make sure they don't got weapons
and then go from there.
So that's me, dalton StromaeStromae I like that name.
First time actually making itlive.
I've been listening to you guyson Apple Podcasts for a few
months now.
Lord willing, I'll be startingthe Academy in February.
Hell yeah, brother, enjoy thejourney.
It's fun.
Uh, it's what you make of it.
Um, nina said did he just pleadthe fifth?

(02:02:03):
He did, he started to.
But here's the thing withpleading the fifth if you keep
talking, you're it still countslike you don't get to say I
plead the fifth and then saywhatever you want and pleading.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
The fifth doesn't count for statements of
identification, right, it countsabout questions about a crime
that I believe you've committed.
Um, yeah, so, and officersafety is not cowardice.
I just want to throw that outthere because I think that's a
just a terrible statement.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
Yeah, oh, oh yeah, I see what you're saying.
Um, first off, uh country girltold uh, dalton, just be a good
cop.
Um, I'm hoping that what youhear on our show helps you,
guide you that way.
I'm not saying what we do isthe way to do everything or that
we're right, um, but what I dosay on here is how I train cops.

(02:02:57):
So, just so you're aware like Itrain my guys every day, the
stuff that we talk about Ireinforce with the people that
I'm with on the streets.
So and I saw that comment,where did it go there?
It is People.
People are the enemy.
Officer Safety is cowardice.

(02:03:17):
No, not it's.
It's not that they justwilly-nilly pulled a car over
and now they're like officersafety.
Everybody's got to get out.
There was a call on this carthat it matched a shooting.

Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
That's called using your fucking head if I want you
wanting me, wanting to go hometo my family, is cowardice.
Yeah, you, you can.
You've lost me there.
Um, yeah, and if?

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
if I tell you that punchy mcgee, down the road,
punches everybody that wears ared shirt, and then I start
walking you towards punchy mcgeeand I know you're wearing a red
shirt.
Is it cowardice that you'relike I'm gonna get close to that
dude?
No, it's using common sensebecause of the information you
had beforehand, the informationwe had on those cars is involved

(02:04:01):
in his shooting.
So, like I told you, officer,safety-wise, what I'm going to
do is, one by one.
Driver, I need you to step outof the car, turn around.
You're going to go put inhandcuffs.
I'm going to hand you off to mynext officer while they pat you
down, all right, going you offto my next officer while they
pat you down.
All right, going to go over topassenger Passenger.
Hey, I'm going to have you stepout Back passenger.

(02:04:23):
You stay right there.
All right, stand up, put yourhands behind your back.
You're not under arrest, you'rejust being detained while we
conduct this investigation.
Hand them off, pat them downand move on, and that is how
we're going to do that.
That's how I've done it,montero.
Like I just said, the look inthe passenger's eyes makes me
know for a fact that this isabout to go south that if they

(02:04:48):
made this into a movie, it wouldbe called the Fuckening Jesus
Crease it.
Ah, that's what's up.
I also start the Academy inFebruary.
Hell yeah, brother, that's whatI'm talking about.
Andrew hill, love y'all, frank,you aren't bulletproof.
No, he's not I am not.
I'm not nowhere near close tothat uh, discombobulated, said

(02:05:11):
2500 to 3500 die in policecustody yearly.
I think that's what you meant.
Uh, we, the people, are afraidof you.
Um, I don't, I can't, I can'targue that I don't know, I don't
, I don't know what the incustody death rate is.
Um, so, uh, I don't really havea report to that, sir.

(02:05:31):
I don't do that on here, atleast I try not to.
Nina said Eric Levine.
I agree with you, sir, thankyou, but let's keep going See
where we get in this.

Speaker 6 (02:05:48):
Hey, you're saying stuff that I didn't do.
Please don't do that.
You're not wearing yourseatbelt?
I had my seatbelt, I just tookmy seatbelt off.
So how did you have it on?

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
I had it on like this so I just took my seatbelt off.
So how did you have it on?
I had it on like this.

Speaker 6 (02:05:58):
Okay, so you still weren't properly wearing it when
I pulled up.
I did like this, so you stillweren't properly wearing it.
Yes, sir, I don't want to argue.
I don't want to argue, I justwant to get home.
I appreciate that.
I just want to get home, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
I don't even know why we even got pulled over.
We'll talk about that here in asecond.
Well, can you say it now?

Speaker 6 (02:06:23):
like ain't that the law?
Like no, that's not a law isthere a reason?

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
can you tell me the reason?
That's not.
There is a reason, okay, canyou tell?
I don't have to tell you,though and this makes some
people mad.
There's times when it'sappropriate.
There's times like the reason Ipulled you over was this this
is why we pulled you over rightnow.
He may have warrants anddoesn't know that you're on to
him for anything about theshooting, or he may know about
the shooting and know that.
That's why you're about to pullhim over and do all this stuff,

(02:06:47):
and he's trying to think of away to get out of it.
So there's certain times whereyou can't show all your cards
and you're not required to.
In California, I think and God,I wish we had Trey on Trey's,
our California guy, I think.
In California now, you'rerequired to tell the driver why
you pulled him over.
This guy's already been told.
You weren't wearing yourseatbelt.

(02:07:07):
You weren't wearing it properlywhen we came up here, so that's
why we're getting you out ofthe car and identifying you.
Regardless, he has a right topull him out of the car.

Speaker 6 (02:07:16):
So, identifying you, regardless, he has a right to
pull him out of the car.
So you know what I'll tell youright now so you don't have to
tell us that makes no sense Ididn't say that Is your body
camera on, it sure is.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
That's why the red lights?

Speaker 6 (02:07:29):
I just want to make sure.
I just want to make surebecause we didn't do anything.
Okay, we didn't do anything atall.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
We didn't do anything at all.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
I like to ask how many timesare you going to repeat yourself
?

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:07:50):
Mr Jens, hop out for me real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Hop out for me For what?
Remember what I said aboutasking questions with questions?
Huh, that's a clue.
That's a clue.
That's a clue.
I think Cree I think Cree's theone that pointed it out he
thinks there's somethingunderneath this kid.

Speaker 6 (02:08:07):
Why do you need me to hop out, man?
Because I'm asking you to.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Yeah, all right.
First off, I need my partner toget that damn flashlight out of
his right hand and I need himto get when I get somebody out
of the car.
I want.
We need to be shoulder toshoulder.
I don't want him to have anyroom In case they rabbit Do you
have a warrant.
I don't need a warrant.

Speaker 6 (02:08:28):
Why do y'all need me?
Do y'all have a warrant?
Supreme Court says I can askanybody to get me out of the
vehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
It does.

Speaker 6 (02:08:33):
No, you don't Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
I'm saying do you have a warrant?
Do you want to come out on yourown or do you want to be pulled
out of the car?

Speaker 6 (02:08:37):
I'm saying why do y'all need me for?
Do you want to be pulled out?

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
of the car.
What that's crazy bro I didn'tdo anything, bro Bro.

Speaker 4 (02:08:43):

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
That's crazy.
Grab it Whoa.
822 shots fired, start 52, turn18.
Oh my God here.

Speaker 5 (02:09:07):
Good God, hey flip move, flip, move.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
Here there's a gun.
Had a gun?
Yep, he had a gun.
Oh well, maybe you shouldn'tgrab a gun and I didn't do
anything.

Speaker 3 (02:09:24):
somebody told me how to slow-mo before.
Oh, I remember that is it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
Use the arrows on your keyboard right that's what
it was whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
That went way far ahead.
I think I have to play and thenuse it crazy, nope I didn't do
anything, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
I didn't do anything here's someone else saying that
they didn't do anything whenthey did something somebody tell
me how to do the slow-mo again.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
I don't remember how to do it.
I just tried the arrow keys andit just skipped way ahead.
I heard somebody yell gun rightthere this is such a shitty way

(02:10:15):
to do this.
You can go to the gear icon andselect a slower speed.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
yeah, I guess I could do that, and then shift and the
Biggie Alligator.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Let me see here Playback speed.
Let's go with .5.
Let's go back Now.
Everybody's going to soundhammered drunk.

Speaker 5 (02:10:36):
For what?
Because I'm asking you to whydo you need me to hop?
For what?

Speaker 6 (02:10:39):
because I'm asking you why do you need?

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
me I think the officers are drunk yeah I don't
need a warrant.

Speaker 5 (02:10:50):
Why do y'all need me?

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
it is funny when it's slow.
So this is why I said you needto be shoulder to shoulder, Like
he's not even looking.
It's blinding.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
I was going to say that Jeez.

Speaker 5 (02:11:05):
Do anything.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
Look not looking not looking Crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
Look, he didn't even realize he lost his grip when I
grab your wrist.
You fucking know I've got yourwrist Like it's not even a
question that you can't goanywhere.
That's one of my favoritecompliments that people give me
is like, geez, you got like aninja grip.
But I'm like, yeah, it's from alot of years of grabbing
people's geese, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
So, where's the gun?
8-1-2, shots fired.
Star 52, turn 18.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
God, I wish we had some more angles.
Yeah, so what did we have'mgonna stop sharing um what it?
He has a gun and he fired ashot as well.
Oh shit, I don't.
That's where we heard thatfirst gunshot.
That's what it was.
Okay, um, brian knicky saiddiscombobulated.

(02:12:18):
Your stats are not anywhereclose to being accurate.
Fbi stats showed 483 citizensdied in police custody in 2022.
That's why, I love having agreat comment section because
you guys you help do the workfor us because we can't get to
it all.
Andrew Hill want you all toknow as a new LEO, these

(02:12:43):
breakdowns are amazing,extremely helpful as I
tactically approach each call orstop I go to.
I appreciate it.
That's kind of what it was.
It was one of the unintendedbenefits of what we do.
I'll be fully honest when Imade this, the idea was just for
citizens.
I didn't think anything ofother cops because I, quite

(02:13:06):
honestly, just didn't think anyof them would listen to me.
Cops, atypically, think theyknow it all and it's hard to
tell another cop how to be a cop.
Uh, that's, that's what I'veseen.
And then who's to say that?
My dumb ass is right.
So I can only tell you I've hada great career and I've had a

(02:13:27):
safe career, and so I've justgiven you my experience and it
seems to be working out.
So it was an unintendedconsequence that I started
getting a lot of cops reachingout like man, like you're
fucking spot on in this one.
Oh, quince, that I startedgetting a lot of cops reaching
out like man, like you'refucking spot on on this one.
Oh, this was a good one, man, Ididn't think of that and so
thank you, it does.
It does, uh, mean a lot to knowother cops are listening.

(02:13:47):
Um, montero said if you're nota big dirt bag, criminal piece
of shit, how easy would it be toturn over your id?
They never do that.
Then it turns into the fucking.
I want rights to the movie.

(02:14:08):
So in this one, like it againinto like what people somebody
said earlier.
You know they were wonderinglike about the traffic stop and
pulling people out and whatnotand and being cowardice Like
this is why this is.
This isn't a one-time thing.
That's happened just once.
Ever in policing this hashappened quite a few times.
It's happened enough in mycareer that I told you I would

(02:14:29):
have pulled him out and I wouldhave had two officers shoulder
to shoulder so he doesn't rabbit.
And I've never seen this video.
And what happened?
Exactly what my fear was, andbecause we didn't handle it that
way, somebody got shot.
Something to consider.
There's a reason that youshould do things a certain way

(02:14:50):
and when you get too lax, moreuse of force ends up happening
than what needed to happen.
If you'd have just done it theright way Cause if he just
started to rabbit and do stupidshit right at the car, what do
you think would happen?
They'd have taken him down.
There was three, four officersright there, two or three.
They'd have taken him down,slammed him, got on top of him,
got his hands behind his backand found out he had a fucking
gun he wouldn't have had time todraw it and fire because it

(02:15:13):
wasn't in his hands in the car.
So he drew that gun while hewas running and pulled the
trigger.
So Brian Kniecte said bad guyactually fired around.
You can see the muzzle blast.
I didn't see it but we watchedit.
Curious when that happens.

(02:15:35):
If you got a time frame, brian,let me know.
Curious when that happens.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
If you got a timeframe, brian, let me know.
So, alan, on a, uh, well, well,eric's looking for that.
Um, what were some points thatyour um city attorney or agency
attorney?

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
um, so our new, our prior police officer, slash
resident, is he an attorney now,eric?

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Oh, Daniel.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
Yeah, I believe he's.
He's passed the bar.

Speaker 1 (02:16:08):
Okay, he's passed the bar, but I don't think he's a
practicing attorney.

Speaker 2 (02:16:12):
He just talked about it, about getting into the fact,
about they're sitting therearguing over the ID and then it
turns into what it turns into.
But I never saw the part wherethey talked about the shots
fired in the beginning, so I'mgoing to have to re-watch the
video now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
Dang it.
I just tried to Eric Frank.
Do citizens, even though we areheld to a higher standard, do
citizens have some obligation toobey the law and have some
decency?
You don't have to have anydecency.

Speaker 3 (02:16:49):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
No, you don't have to , you can.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
You can be an absolute jerk with every single
contact you have with lawenforcement.

Speaker 1 (02:16:56):
And I welcome it because it's so much more fun of
a traffic stop for me.
I had a guy that just keptcalling me Mr Fuckface the
entire time, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (02:17:05):
Hey, sir can.

Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
I get your ID here you go, Mr Fuckface so he knew
you.

Speaker 2 (02:17:11):
You left that one right there.
He turned on that one and hitit.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
Oh yeah, teed that bitch up for you.
You did.
You called me mr.
Fuck face, the whole trafficstop I love that.
That's awesome I was smilingthe whole time it goes and as
I'm handing his id back andgiving him a warning saying hey,
just so you know, this is abeautiful country we live in,
and and I hand him his ID, hejust said he just took out, he
didn't say anything, but I waslike how can you not sit back

(02:17:43):
and enjoy the country we live in?

Speaker 3 (02:17:47):
That gives those people the right to call you Mr
Fuckface Right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
You know, and me, as a military guy, I I've told
people they're like well, youswore to defend the Constitution
.
Yeah, I do, I do, and I havethe ability to sit back and
enjoy that freedom and watch itin all its glory sometimes and
just be entertained by it.
I think that's truly the trickis set your ego aside and just

(02:18:16):
enjoy the entertainment of it.
Let's see here.
Uh, just know that you willlikely get zero slack from the
officers.
Uh, what are we talking about?
Will daniel be back on soon?
I'm actually from a town southof albuquerque, so he's getting
his.
Yes, alan is actually.
I have shamed him because hisinternet connection alan daniel

(02:18:39):
daniel's internet.
I have shamed him because hisinternet connection Alan Daniel
Daniel's internet connection.
I have shamed him.
It's shitty.
He's got XM like Wi-Fi, andwhen he got on here it was like
watching a news broadcast fromthe streets of Iraq while the
war was actively going on.
It was stuttery and all overthe place.

(02:19:01):
You could hear his sound justfine, but his video was terrible
.
So, yes, daniel will be back on.
We're actually just talkingtoday.
I wanted to see if he couldmake it for today and he said
he's going to wait until his newinternet gets in, which should
be within a week or two.
So yeahiel will be back on.
He is a part of our networkhere now, um, just like alan and

(02:19:22):
, uh, well, not frank um banningand matt thornton and trey
mosley.
So, um, technically, right nowhe's our east coast guy.
Frank's our east coast guy.
So, for those that didn't know,frank is actually a
conservationist.
Uh, he's got his conservationdegree, uh, in what is it my

(02:19:43):
undergrads in?
marine biology or something.
What is it?

Speaker 3 (02:19:46):
conservation, law enforcement.
It's like a mixture of abiology degree and a criminal
justice degree.
They mingle those two togetherand um, you end up having a
undergrad to be a game warden.

Speaker 2 (02:19:58):
Hell yeah, brother, that's okay.
So while you're on that part ofthe world, what did you go
hunting for while you were upthere?
What did I go hunting for?

Speaker 3 (02:20:05):
Killed my limit of geese this morning.
Oh okay, yep, shot a deerChristmas day, shot a couple
mallards before that and yeah.
So a little bit of everythinghere.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
Yeah, Marine blood said.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
Plus, in the military we get exposed to so much
language and called so manynames, they don't work on us,
you know on it like anytime Iwas dealing with somebody and
they were overly nice to me,that gave me a bigger red flag
than the people that are justdicks, because I expect to be
treated like a.
You know that I'm a dick, butthe people that are super nice

(02:20:43):
are the ones that you know hadsomething to hide yeah, and
again I go back.

Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
I don't care what you say, I care what you do, like
mr fuckface.
Mr fuckface gave me everythingI asked for, as I asked for it,
but he just kept calling me afuckface.

Speaker 3 (02:21:02):
Totally his right.

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
That was an awesome stop for me.
That's what I wanted to be Like.
All right, he gave me what Ineeded when I needed it.
He didn't give me a problem.
He said things that could beproblematic, but he didn't
physically present a problem forme.
So what's the worry?
If you start letting the wordsget to you?
That's where the problem is.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
So just so the listeners know, big Red is doing
Christmas and he'll be back.
Who's that?

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
Big Red.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, swetland,yeah, yeah, little Big Red,
He'll be back.
I promise I'm makingarrangements to get back Yukon
Cornelius yeah yeah, man, yukonCornelius Tim's going to be one
of our first civilians thatwe've had on the show, so we're

(02:21:52):
going to have him on.
It's going to be an experiment,we'll see how it goes.
He's pretty like-minded as faras the goals of this show.
Matt Thornton gave him his sealof approval.
He's been nothing but greattowards what we've been doing
here on Two Cops, one Donut, sowe're going to get him on as
well.
Let's go to our last video andthen we'll get to bullshitting

(02:22:18):
some more.
Let me see here we need toshare the screen.
Boom, boom, boom.
I see this one says Houston.
I tried not to read any morethan that.

Speaker 4 (02:22:34):
Hey put that bag down .
Man Put that bag down, put itdown, put the bag down.
Oh, they're.
Put it down.
Put the bag down.
Put your hands up, stop moving,put your hands all the way up.

Speaker 1 (02:22:47):
Okay, I can see.
Okay for me, when I'mapproaching this, call waistband
and hands.
That's what I'm concerned about.
So I can see the hands.
They look empty from this andthat looks like a belly shirt.
So the waistband looks fairlyclear, frank same.

Speaker 3 (02:23:04):
I like the, I love, I love a good flashlight.
Yeah, um, I carry threeflashlights on me.
Um, I love a good brightflashlight with a wide beam.
A lot of throw, yep, um so I'ma phoenix guy, what do?
You I I actually carry aphoenix on and off duty yes,
yeah, phoenix.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
Now all my flashlights are phoenix.
Uh, that's funny.
Yeah, it's funny, we both havephoenix.
Um, I had not heard of phoenixuntil I came down to the dfw
area and somebody let me usetheirs and I was like, oh my god
, and they make like lights forvehicles and everything.
Yeah, they may.
Yeah, so for everybody in theaudience listening, they're not
a sponsor by any means.

Speaker 3 (02:23:42):
Um phoenix that would be awesome.
That would be awesome, but yeah, I've.

Speaker 1 (02:23:47):
what I liked about him was my flashlight.
Um, if I dropped it in apursuit, uh, the lens cracked
and the button became wonky,like if you pressed it.
You never knew what mode youwere going to get.
Sent them an email, they sentme a box to send the flashlight,
but they sent me a brand newflashlight, like the new model,

(02:24:12):
not even the one I had.
It was like the one I had, butthe newer model of that.
So I got this awesomeflashlight and then they sent my
flashlight back fix.
So then I had two flashlights.

Speaker 3 (02:24:22):
Oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:24:23):
Yeah, yeah, that was Phoenix.
So after that they had acustomer for life.
Yeah, you did right by me, soum, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
I like this Um cause having a lot of light allows you
to be safer when you're workingat night, so I really like this
.

Speaker 1 (02:24:45):
There's people that get pissed about getting
flashlights put in their faceand stuff like that, but again,
it's not something that'sphysically harming you and as
long as you're doing it in thecourse of your duties and not
just to try to block somebodyfrom videotaping you, that's one
thing that they'll do.
But I also have a problem withpeople trying to do it to
officers.
I've seen that it's a tacticthat some of the First Amendment

(02:25:08):
auditors will do is they'll tryto flash lights in the
officer's face.
I'm not a fan of that becausethey're duties that now you're
affecting their duties.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:25:20):
oh, it's, it's absolutely.
It eliminates your night visionyeah um, I mean you could point
uh, I mean, what's on the endof your gun?
A light.
So you have a light, point out.
You have no idea if there's agun there or not.
That's absolutely.
That is a 100 no-go for me yeah, yep, um, and, and this.

Speaker 1 (02:25:37):
This goes into the one of the kind of the argument
we got into earlier Not argument, but the debate back and forth
about what cops can do certainthings that people can't.
You can't just throw yourflashlight into an officer's
face while he's working.
You just can't Because, let'ssay, let's do the what-if game,

(02:25:58):
you do that and all of a suddenactual crime occurs right next
to y'all and that officer can'tsee for shit for the next three
to five seconds ten secondsbecause you just threw a light
in his face.
So yeah, but again, cops can'tbe doing that to just Joe Blow
Citizen, because they're filmingsomething.
And that's another problem thatI've seen Cops trying to use

(02:26:21):
their flashlight in anon-official capacity.

Speaker 4 (02:26:26):
Turn around, turn around, turn around.
Put your hands on.

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
Okay, I'm pretty confident, even though this is a
blurry, shitty video.

Speaker 2 (02:26:42):
That is a Motorola body camera is it?

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
is that what it is?
Yeah, that's terrible.
So waistband and hands lookclear.

Speaker 4 (02:26:51):
I didn't tell you to move them relax there we go,
relax Relax.

Speaker 5 (02:27:06):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
So that's good.
She just said I'm going to jailand he goes.
No, you're not, we don't knowthat yet.
So he's being de-escalative.

Speaker 5 (02:27:22):
If that's a word, hold on.
That's just my husband.

Speaker 1 (02:27:25):
He didn't do anything hey, you put your hands up what
did she say I didn't getbecause he got really buggy.

Speaker 2 (02:27:38):
When she said something about a gun, I didn't
hear it he asked her if he had agun on him, and she said no, he
doesn't have a gun.

Speaker 4 (02:27:48):
Hey, you put your hands up anybody?

Speaker 5 (02:27:51):
how's it going down?

Speaker 4 (02:27:52):
there, hey, you put your hands up.

Speaker 5 (02:27:56):
Yeah, that's his gun light.

Speaker 4 (02:27:58):
Put your hands up, put your hands up.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
She has no voice.

Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
Put your fucking hands up now Use the I think the
shooter's dead.
I don't know if he had a gun2-1-45 shots fired.

(02:28:26):
I said to put stop fuckingmoving.
I told you to not fucking reach.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Not the time to argue .
Just get cuffs on him andsecure the scene.
Bring him up.

Speaker 6 (02:28:36):
Angie.

Speaker 5 (02:28:46):
Yeah, I think he hit him hey.

Speaker 4 (02:28:51):
No, bro, what's up baby?

Speaker 5 (02:28:54):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
Oh, get your head out .
They're right.
There, they're right there?

Speaker 1 (02:28:57):
Yes, they are.

Speaker 4 (02:28:57):
They're right there.
Oh Baby, it's an HFD.
We got one gunshot wound to thebuttstock, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
All right, all right how do you get shot in the ass?
He spun when he Alan, are youdoing something, or was that me?

Speaker 2 (02:29:19):
I paused it.
Oh, okay, I was going to askyou guys a question.
What's?
The biggest concern once hestarted shooting, moving what
was behind him though.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
Oh, the apartment complex.
Yeah, his backdrop looked likea dwelling Yep, yeah, you just
backdrop look like.
Look like a dwelling yep, um,but there's certain certain
moments in your life that youdon't have a choice.
You got to send something thatI'm not just going to stand
there and take bullets correct,and you technically have
defensive third party becauseyou've got this lady in in

(02:29:55):
almost cuffs in cuffs I'm notsure if they actually got her in
cuffs.
You own her, you own her, yeah,so you have to fire back in
this situation.
Hopefully they're accuraterounds, but, yeah, let's go back
.
Looks like we're going to getanother view, by the way, but it

(02:30:18):
looked like he clearly took ashooter stance as he did so
that's straight up, yeah so heescalates his language big time
as the guy keeps coming towardshim and I like he uses the

(02:30:40):
excuse.
I thought you were my friend,Like one of my friends.

Speaker 2 (02:30:45):
I'm just playing with you bro.

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
Yeah, I don't think your friends talk to you this
way.
What was that?
Look at playback speed.
Now we're going to get thedrunk speech.
I apologize.

Speaker 4 (02:30:54):
Get hands up now Use them.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
I think he actually fired around.
I saw smoke wagon smoke Right.

Speaker 5 (02:31:13):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:31:22):
You know, the more I look at it, this backdrop, it
actually kind of worked in hisfavor.
It looks like it rises.
That looks like it's allhillside behind him, assuming he
doesn't shoot too crazy up.
Let's watch the other anglehere.

Speaker 2 (02:31:40):
And that's another part of knowing your beat.
You know, I'm sure they've beenin that park before.

Speaker 4 (02:31:49):
Right, turn around, turn around, turn around.
Put your hands all the way up.

Speaker 6 (02:31:55):
I didn't tell you to move them, you good.
What happened to your back?

Speaker 5 (02:32:00):
I'm going to jail Abel, no you're not, you don't
know yet.
Well, what do I?

Speaker 6 (02:32:04):
do, sir?
We don't know yet if you'regoing to jail or not.

Speaker 5 (02:32:09):
That's just my husband.
He can do it, please, please,hey, hey, hey, no, no.

Speaker 4 (02:32:15):
Hey, you Put your hands up.

Speaker 5 (02:32:25):
Put your hands up, kind of stop hey.

Speaker 4 (02:32:32):
That's my shot, smart .

Speaker 1 (02:32:37):
Like you guys don't with.
She's trying to.
So somebody mentioned it in thecomments earlier about the
first 10 seconds of cuffingsomebody get the fucking cuffs
on, like if he had stoppedpussyfooting around with those
cuffs.
Now we've got another use offorce because he had to take her

(02:32:59):
down while she was partiallycuffed Like.
Was it an excessive use offorce by any means?
Probably not, but now it's onemore thing that you got to deal
with because you had to take herdown versus had you had her
cuff, you could have controlledher way better.

Speaker 3 (02:33:12):
And she reached for the other cop's gun Like.

Speaker 2 (02:33:15):
What.

Speaker 3 (02:33:16):
Yeah, yeah Did.

Speaker 4 (02:33:18):
I miss that.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
Yeah, she reached with her uncuffed left hand For
his gun.

Speaker 1 (02:33:23):
I thought she touched him on the shoulder Gun
Shoulder.

Speaker 2 (02:33:28):
She touched the officer no I.

Speaker 1 (02:33:31):
It looked like.

Speaker 6 (02:33:34):
We don't know yet if you were going to jail or not.

Speaker 5 (02:33:37):
That's just my idea he doesn't get a cop on, please,
please, hey, hey, hey, no, no,I see, I see I understand, yeah
she's like.

Speaker 1 (02:33:43):
I'm sure, towards the gun.
Yeah, she tried to like pat itaway.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (02:33:47):
Like no, that's my husband.
Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
Don.
Yeah, we didn't really getanything after that on that, but
, um, all right, well, let's uhstop sharing and chit chat a
little more.
Yeah, that was, um, that was alegit shoot in my opinion.
Uh, looking what you guys saidin the thing yeah, his hands
went, cree said, yeah, his handswent from his hoodie pocket
straight to the shootingposition.
Yeah, I think I think that'swhat we all saw too, and I think
he did get a shot off.
I think that was the initialpuff of smoke.

(02:34:25):
We saw the way body cams work is.
Sometimes the sound does notregister the same way with what
you see.
Sometimes you'll hear gunshots,sometimes you won't hear
gunshots.
It's just weird how theregistry is with those things
occasionally.
So just something to know.
I wonder why she thought shewas going to jail.

(02:34:45):
Well, typically, anytime thecops like make contact with you
and start telling you know,telling you put your hands up,
like it's understandable, shethought she might be going to
jail.
Also, she did try to reachforward to grab the officer's
hand when he drew his weapon.
Yep, we saw that.
Greater than less than keys,eric Greater than less than keys

(02:35:08):
On the.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
Oh so press shift greater than less than.

Speaker 1 (02:35:20):
Not working.
Oh, I see, I see you got topress shift, but yeah, yeah,
yeah, Two cops, one donut.
Try the greater.
Oh, that's, I know I need towrite them down.

(02:35:43):
I do need to write them down.
My bad, let's see.
All right, that's all thevideos we got for tonight, but
before we end this, I like toleave the floor to my guest to
at least talk about whatever'son their mind.
If we haven't hit anything yet,what do you got for me tonight?
Frank?

Speaker 3 (02:36:02):
I'm just, I'm just privileged to be amongst the
cool kids you are.
Um, now, man, I, as always, I,uh, I appreciate the opportunity
to come in, throw my two centsin for whatever it's worth,
which is based on videnomics isless than that, um and uh, yeah,
that's.

(02:36:22):
That's it just like hanging outwith friends, man and I and I
get to meet alan tonight, sothat's hell yeah, alan's.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
Alan's normally our behind the scenes guy, um,
running everything.
But we, we were slim pickingson uh guests tonight and we need
to get Frank on here as thelast ditch ever.
But no, normally Alan's got torun everything from behind the

(02:36:50):
veil.
What we have coming down theline, guys, the website is mean.
It is done, done.
We're just.
I'm waiting for the press onbutton, basically from my cousin
who's doing everything for us.
Um, he had me give him thefinal updates today, which I did
.
So as soon as those get enacted, uh, the website will be up.

(02:37:13):
All of the new bios ofeverybody that's joined the two
cops when donut network stuff.
Um, trey allen.
Um, let me see who else uhbanning.
Um, matt thornton and danielcarr all of their stuff's up
there.
You'll be able to find theirsocial media stuff's not allen's
because he doesn't have any,but, um, you get what we're
saying um and uh, so we're gonnahave that up there.

(02:37:37):
Uh, be sure to check out ghostpatch.
That's who has our stuff, andif you guys go to their website,
ghostpatchcustomscom I believeit is just type in two cops, one
donut.
You'll find all of our stuff onthere.
Um, we've got the coin, we'vegot the metal badge and then
we've got a pvc velcro patch.
Um, I think it's like a threeinch patch, so it's not tiny,

(02:38:02):
but it's it's pretty decent size.
So, uh, I hear rapping.
What's going on?
There's the the velcro patch.
See, alan's got two things ofmy own stuff that I don't have.
So christmas bro, I know so uh,if you guys can, um, if you want
to support us and you're likeyou know what can I do to help

(02:38:22):
support you?
Know such a cool, awesome show?
Go to our youtube channel, uh,subscribe, become a a member.
Uh, if you don't have the money, just hit the subscribe button.
It's free.
Um, do that on any of our stuff.
Go to to Frank's channel,please.
Fridays with Frank.
Go check his stuff out.
Frank also has coins, he haspatches which I have right here,

(02:38:44):
and that's Fridayswithfrankcom,and his shirt, mountain of
Right.
Go check out his stuff.
Guys, I don't know that youtruly understand what goes into
everything that we do here.
Um, it started off as simple asjust filming with an iPad, but
it has grown into what we havebecause we've had people support

(02:39:05):
us along the way, um, includingmy own part-times working,
working extra shifts just to tryto pay for this shit.
So, um, by supporting us,either with likes and subscribes
, like as stupid as I hatesaying it because I feel like a
teenage kid trying to like mestuff it really makes a

(02:39:26):
difference to the sponsors thatwe go to and we're like look,
we've got this many views, we'vegot this many followers, we've
got this many subscribers Likeit helps us do that stuff.
So I do see the method to themadness.
The longer I've been doing itWe've been doing this almost
four years now and thanks toeverybody in the crowd that
participates.
You know, shout out to peoplelike Nina country girl uh, ozark

(02:39:49):
moon Um, we had some new onestonight.
Brian Kanicki, dalton StromaeUm, you know, we have Tim, we've
got, you know, some of our,some of our hardcore people that
have been here the whole timeMr Bill Fold, who gives me shit
every single time but does itrespectfully and just puts the
pressure on me.
Marine Blood, always in there.

(02:40:11):
Guys, you are the one thatmakes the show.
That's why we keep doing it.
That's why it's so popular.
So it was a freak mistake.
It was a drunken mistake how Idid this.
I had a little too many smokewagons and I'm like I'm going to
go live and just talk aboutbody cam stuff and tried to do
it a little bit different thanDonut Operator and some of the

(02:40:33):
other guys.
I was like I'm going to pretendthat I'm the cop in the video,
just go from there.
That's kind of how we've donethings since then.
It just kept growing, gettingbigger.
So Ina says I'm alreadysubscribed to Fridays with Frank
at Frank Slope, love your show.
I was actually watching somevideos earlier.
Hell yeah, hard not to watchhis videos.
I appreciate that Eric doesn'tlike Montero, though I don't, I

(02:40:59):
don't, I don't like, I don'tlike anything about you, montero
.
I don't like your LinkedInaccount and I don't like your
YouTube account.
You know, maybe you should justquit police work, sir.
I'm just kidding, buddy, youknow I love you.
Perry Lamley, another onestarted always showing up.

(02:41:20):
Appreciate you, brother.
Um, yeah, for everybody thatthat did become members tonight,
thank you truly.
It really does mean a lot to usand that's why we keep doing
this.
But, um, alan, you got anyparting?

Speaker 2 (02:41:25):
words, buddy.
No thanks for having me.
It's been great time on thisholiday weekend, so everybody
that has to work next couple ofdays stay safe out there and
keep up the good fight.
Yep, I'm gonna be out that.

Speaker 1 (02:41:37):
David ed the good fight.
Yep, I'm going to be out atDavid Edmondson Been quiet
tonight because I'm driving.
Yeah, yeah, please don't chat,don't type to us while you're
driving y'all.
I would enjoy merch.
Would also enjoy the funds tobuy said merch.
Yeah, hey, bud, just you beinghere and you being you is enough
.
So until you can get some merchor have somebody gift you some

(02:42:00):
merch, that's what you shouldask for Christmas.
That would have been a goodChristmas gift.
Um shit, like I said, alan'sgot two things of ours that I
don't even own yet.
I still need a patch and a coin.
I don't even have my own stuff.
Shout out to.

Speaker 2 (02:42:13):
Tucker Nelson.
He's uh been a deputy foralmost a year now.
My son, oh, I'm like I don'tsee that In the local county,
but he's the one that bought methose two things for Christmas.
Oh shit, when you're a poordeputy, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:42:31):
Yeah, yeah, tim's throwing shade at Marine Blood.

Speaker 3 (02:42:34):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:42:35):
He can buy a half cup of coffee for $3.99.
That's awesome.
I know he can buy a half cup ofcoffee for $3.99.
That's awesome.
Love it, love it.
And I will throw out one morechallenge for y'all.
Another shameless plug to tryto grow.
If you don't, if you've alreadyliked and subscribed, get me
one more person.
Share.
Just find one person.

(02:42:56):
Say, hey, come check out theseguys.
If you like them, great.
If not, you don't have to keepfollowing them, but give them a
shot that would help, so, but uh, yeah, guys, that's all I got.
Um, everybody else, have a goodnight and we will be back next
monday.
I'm assuming I got to worktomorrow, um, tomorrow's my
anniversary, so and I'm workingon it Work anniversary or

(02:43:19):
marriage anniversary?

Speaker 3 (02:43:19):
Marriage anniversary it's my 19th anniversary, the
one that kills you slower.

Speaker 1 (02:43:23):
Yeah, 19th anniversary.
I took her out to eat lastnight so we got it out of the
way.
So I could, you know, go makethat double time and a half
tonight.
City cops Yep, city cops, babyGotta love it.
But all city cops yep, citycops, baby gotta love it.
But alright, guys, everybodyelse have a good night.
Thank you for tuning in and wewill see you next Monday good

(02:43:44):
night guys.

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