Old School vs New School w/Ret. Freddy Gilbert

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All right, welcome back to CopsOne Donut.
I am your host, eric Levine.
With me today, my faja, freddieGilbert.
What are you doing, dad?
Just living life.
I know Been a while since I hadan in-studio.
Yeah.

(01:04):
It's way different than the lasttime you were in studio right
getting updated.
Yeah, yeah.
So the the all the goals havenot been met yet, but they're
damn close.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
So now we've got considering when you started
right.
I think you're advancing prettyquick yeah, four years, almost
five now.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
So we just, uh, we just did a shoot out in arizona,
so we did.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I told you how we were shooting two pilots, right.
Well, I didn't know it was twopilots, I know, I know you tell
me you're doing a show of somesort.
Yeah, uh, what's the secondpilot?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So the first pilot's the real-time crime center show.
So the whole point behind thatone is to highlight real-time
crime centers show, thetechnologies they're using, how
they use it, why they use it andhow it's helping to kind of
squash fears of Big Brotheroverstepping all that stuff.
Transparency and accountabilityit's kind of the theme behind

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that and it's fun.
But it's a community show.
That's kind of the idea behindit.
The premise is just one bigjoint community trying to catch
bad guys and make things better.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Do you have demos and examples of how you caught
somebody?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yes, so we actually went to Scottsdale PD.
They gave us permission to film.
So we went out there, filmed alittle bit of the city, filmed a
little bit of, you know, thelocal area.
And then we went into the PD,met the chief, got introduced to
the chief assistant chiefs.
So we're kind of showing offthe city and the police

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department.
Why Scottsdale?
Because they were the firstpolice department to give us
permission.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's one reason Plus they've got one of the.
It's a nice area, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Plus they've got axons.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
right there They've got one of the first real-time
crime centers and they've beenkind of, you know, pathfinders
as far as the real time.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
So there was no resistance, no, come on.
They've had people film therebefore, apparently, so they just
didn't have any issues.
I'm going to have a drink, bythe way, I don't know if you are
.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sure, I'll take one.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Try not to use my grubby fingers on your ice cube.
I'm trying not to use my grubbyfingers on your ice cube.
I actually got this presenthere from one of my last guests,
lenny Nabretzky, former NewJersey State Trooper.
Really, yeah, he works forPeregrine.
Now One of our sponsors Shoutout who does he work for
Peregrine?

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Yeah, so you got out before.
Peregrine was a thing.
So peregrine is like.
Think of it as um kind of like agoogle for police stuff.
Um, the best way I can kind ofdescribe it because you've been
in the space so you know lawenforcement.
Think of having your CAD, yourRMS like report writing system,

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evidencecom, with all yourvideos, and now you've got a
program that can take all ofthose and make them communicate
together.
So let's say I'm looking forJohn Smith.
It's going to populateeverything from those three
things and give you those, andthen it's going to the advanced
analytics in.
It is going to say, hey, johnSmith's typical MO is this he

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may also be related to thesecases because he was released
from prison at this time andthis is the area he had been
made contact with.
It gets crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, it can make a pathetic detective somewhat
effective.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, yes.
And the beauty that I likeabout it is the kind of the
checks and balances thing wherelet's say, you are a shitty
detective and what's the basicrule being a detective like the
general order state right, youshall follow all leads.
Right, you can't hide from theleads, because it finds them for
you.
It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, here's my question.
It does a lot of the work foryou Cheers, cheers.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Thank you, lenny, the EH Taylor's smooth.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
But the old timers, who are the supervisors of the
detectives, know itscapabilities and how it's used.
Right, because if you don'tknow, they can get over.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah just another thing, so the trick behind it
that I'm seeing is, if you getthis program, if you get
Peregrine and you get themincorporated, there has to be a
training program.
Yeah, Not just for the peoplethat are going to be using it
like detectives.
It can really be used.
There's so many Okay.
So let me back up Another coolfeature of it ComStat.

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Yeah, that usually takes 20hours to make right.
Yeah, With this, once you getthe parameters set for what
you're looking for, five minutes.
It almost sounds like an AI forpolicing.
It is, and it's integral.
That's what I like about it.
It's not searching the way.
There's no outside influencesthat can get to it.

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It only goes off yourinformation.
Okay, so all the informationthat you have, that's what it's
using and it's putting all thepieces together.
So your bolos, your reports,your gang net stuff, all this,
whatever you want to incorporateinto it your, you know, your
VCI, violent crime initiativestuff it can take all the data
input that you put in and helppiece.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, give me an example.
You, you get a case.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So the one I like to use, cause this was how I was
first introduced to it.
I was a property crimesdetective.
One of the problems that wewere having was rooftop AC
thefts.
They were going in and stealingthe copper out of them.
What it can do is it can seethat you know, eric, you got
three reports this weekend ofrooftop thefts of ac units.

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So now it's got its own littlemo showing that's pretty, pretty
rare anyway.
And then it'll say but acrosstown last weekend, you know
detective, you know johnnywalker over there, he also had
three rooftop theft.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Okay, Does it send you this once you're assigned a
case, or do you have to ask?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
it.
No, no shit.
So you get your case numberassigned to you, right?
You input that case number intothe program and now the program
does its thing and pulls uphere's your case, here's
everything that we think isrelated, and it'll give it kind
of a hierarchy of 99% all theway down to whatever percent you
cut it off at.
The other cool thing that it'lldo is it'll scrub your CAD.

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So let's say you had thatrooftop theft, but 10 minutes
prior, half a block down, therewas a disturbance call through
the backyard.
Somebody called Somebody'sgoing through their backyards.
There may be ring video cameras, some camera that wasn't in the
area that may be a new lead.
So it puts all that stufftogether for you.

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So traditionally you know thatas a cop, as a detective, you're
in your cases.
You're lucky if somebody inyour same side of town and works
in the office with you is like,oh hey, man, I got some ac
thefts too.
You don't know if he has any acthefts unless you just stand up
and in the cubicles like, hey,anybody got ac thefts going on.

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That's the only communicationyou're gonna, or a good case
assigner sees the trends.
Yeah.
So if those aren't happening,this program is going to catch
what falls through the cracksand then it goes farther than
that is, it will reach out again.
It's looking at every side oftown.
So if you know the detectiveacross town, you work east side,

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he works west side and he's gotthese same cases, does it?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
have any data sharing with other agencies nearby you
can.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
so that's one of the reasons it's so fucking robust
is like you can set up mouswhere you share information.
I could literally like, let'ssay we're having a major event,
I can take five cameras let'ssay city cameras or whatever and
say, hey, I need you guys tohelp me keep eyes on this and I
can create a link and send it toany agency.

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They don't have to havePeregrine and you basically just
created a virtualregionalization.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
How long have you had this?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Let's see, I've been talking about them now for five
years, so we're getting them outthere slowly but surely.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So we're getting them out there slowly but surely.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know, I can't even imagine its progress when
we're going to be in the next,I'd say just two years.
In two years it's going to becrazy.
You weren't even out there forthe drones.
Yeah, Now we got drones.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Here's what I'm thinking.
All this progress is beingcreated and AI is coming up and
being implemented.
Once it gets all that AIinputted, that progress into the
AI, it should progress evenfaster.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's self-learning, all that stuff,
and, like I said to me, it's not.
I talked like this long enoughthat they became a sponsor.
It wasn't me being sponsoredand then talking about it, so
I'm not saying you were braggingabout it before.
Yes, I'm not talking about itbecause I wanted them to become

(10:42):
a sponsor or I was trying tolike.
Legitimately it's going tochange law enforcement you
brought up drones.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
How many drones y'all have?
So we still, right now, we havethe patrol drones, but we are
getting drones that will beremotely launched from the
real-time crime center yeah, seewell, yeah, I would think I was
daydreaming about drones theother day as I was driving home

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that why don't they deploy adrone first and assess the
situation?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
so the officer safety is right is there, especially
in hot calls yeah, so that's thegoal is, once we get our drones
set up.
We got our dfrFR programapproved and for those who was
DFR drone, first responder.
So essentially you've got toget all your operators have to
be one oh seven certified to flythe drone.
You have to get um, an FAAwaiver to fly in areas that

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typically you wouldn't beallowed to fly.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
See, that's where we need someone like Trump to wave
that red tape.
See, that's where we needsomeone like Trump to wave that
red tape.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, so we got all of that stuff and now we're just
waiting for the drones to beinstalled.
So we're getting themstrategically placed on top of
city buildings throughout thecity where the most stuff
happens, and it's going to bethe most benefit.
I can see that growing quicklyoh yeah, and we're not the first

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, so there's other cities thathave a working model.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Right, it's just.
But drones now are dirt cheap,depending on what you want them
to do, right, well the policeones are not dirt cheap.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
What can they do?
Because they're the size ofthis table almost.
Oh, they're big.
This isn't your little pocketthrow-up drone.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
No, I was thinking like the Walmart, amazon.
Nah, bigger Really, yeah,they're like.
I heard one the other day yeah,they're big, they keep buzzing
around.
I'm like what the hell is that?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, if they fall out of the sky they're gonna
hurt somebody, possibly killthem.
They're big, so you have to be.
What do you think they run?
Oh geez.
Um, well, it depends.
Again, I would say theyprobably start around 15 to 20,
but, like the ones we're getting, they land in their own pod and

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they change their own battery,so you don't need a person to
physically go up there andchange the battery.
Amazing, yeah, and they're justgetting better.
Now they're coming up with afixed wing one.
They can stay up in the air forlike two hours, three hours,
yeah.
So they just keep gettingbetter and better.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, those meth heads and catalytic converter
thieves are going to have tostart sharpening their skills.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And the beauty of it that I try to put citizens at
ease with is like we're not justflying them, we can't One.
They don't have the batterylife, the 20 minutes it's about
as much as they're staying up inthe air.
So you know you've got to haveyour travel time to get where
you're going and you got to haveyour travel time back.
So you're getting about 20minutes of real use and most
scenes don't last.
That's about as long as theylast anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, if they're anything like the cameras you
got everywhere, right, they'relike on every corner, yeah right
.
So what we're doing now, youshould perch them on top of a
telephone pole, or switch, justlaunch them from there.
Yeah, they go four blocks.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, you got to really protect them.
They're too expensive valuable.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I can see the usual suspect sniping them.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I mean it'll be fun.
It'll be fun to watch.
I can't wait to see what craphappens with them where we're at
.
But, like I was saying, theidea is you go out to priority
one calls, try to help where youcan.
Like you said, try to get tothe scene first and just start
assessing the situation.
Help them, keep eyes on things.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It kind of reminds me of that pipe dream I had back
in the day.
You know how you have a canine,an officer that has a falcon,
fly over and do a certain stunt,or circle or something.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And distract him or attack him.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Circle.
He's down there.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, if you can train them well enough, you
could put a GoPro on one of them.
Could you imagine that?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I used to think of all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Put a GoPro on a falcon A peregrine falcon and it
circles back around Fucking owl.
Stealth yeah, no sound.
Yeah, peregrine falcon.
And it circles back around andfucking owl yeah, no sound.
Yeah, it's a stealth bomberjust just picking people off.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I can see the crooks and looking up in the air.
Yeah, or a falcon it's quiet,dead quiet.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
All of a sudden you just hear they're like oh no no,
no, I'll, let me call.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
You know when canine gets out to come on out, send
canine in.
And everybody wants canine tobe let loose.
Yeah, next year.
Oh, get him off me, get off meright, just making sure you're
in camera.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I get nervous now.
We had we the last one wefilmed the zoom messed up
somehow, like when I was lookingat it, everything was good and
then when I came and sat down,either like when I let go, it
must have moved or something.
But I'm banning it was waszoomed in too close.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
You have little displays on the camera itself.
Yes, can you hook it up to amonitor so you can see it bigger
?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
You can.
I just don't have the money forit right now.
I ordered.
So what I ordered?
There's this thing called anAtomos or Atomos, something like
that, and what it'll do is itallows you to hook.
It's a bigger monitor, so it'slike a five-inch monitor, so
it'll be above the camera, soit'll actually be something we
can see from where we're sitting.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
You hook it up to a TV or something.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, you can hook them up to a monitor wirelessly,
okay, so what I could do ishave what they call a confidence
monitor so we could see andmake sure that everything is
staying.
But I only ordered one.
I need two more because they're$1,000 a piece For a monitor.
Well, it's more than that.

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What else do they do?
So it can record directly.
Oh, so what we're recordingright now to like a thumb drive
or not a thumb drive but a SDdrive.
It can record directly to that,upload wirelessly to the web.
So if you've got like a cloud,you can store it on a cloud, so

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you've got a backup right away,so just in case.
So it's a redundancy thing itcan send the picture wirelessly.
So that's another feature thatit can do.
It has a ton of features that Iprobably won't take advantage
of.
Yeah, but for what I'm doing it, they're badass, nice, like I
said, they're.
They're pricey, that thing thatI got right there.

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I've got a setup that's aroadcaster video, so what that
will be able to do when I get itset up, it's got the little
antenna sticking out of the backthat will allow me to switch
the cameras, oh so like joerogan, yeah, so like when you're
talking, I can just hit youknow camera two, so it's just on

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you.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
So yeah, that.
That's where, when you watch aprofessional podcast and you see
it go back and forth, there'ssomeone behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Maybe they could do what I do.
I do it the manual way so Itake that recording, that
recording, that recording, andthen I cut it.
I have to manually go through,and that's what takes forever.
Um, but now they've gotsoftware, ai software, where I
can say this voice belongs tothis camera, and this voice

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belongs to this camera, so itwill go through and it'll
automatically.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So when it hears that voice, that camera will kick on
.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right.
Or if we kind of talk over eachother, we're going back and
forth, then it goes to the wide.
So, yeah, that's pretty quick.
I know your boy learns, I'd belearning, right.
So, um, yeah, it's.
It's crazy, we're.
When we went out and we oh, Iforgot we were talking about the

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whole.
That's how we got on peregrine.
We were talking about thefilming of the pilot, I was
telling you about the real-timecrime center one, but we didn't
even get to the other one.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, what's the other?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
one you don't know about.
So I do these conferences withthe National Real-Time Crime
Center Association every yearI'm a board member for them
where we talk about the latestand greatest tech, right.
So I'm going to write this timedown.
It's a good clip.
But with the conferences I havethese connections with all

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these companies and stuff that Iknow they're putting out good
tech every year, but they haveto wait until they go to these
conferences to show them off.
Okay, or they can put out theirown propaganda, whatever you
want to call it, and it doesn'tcome across the same way when
you're bragging about your ownstuff.
You know what I mean.
Yeah.
So what I wanted to do was getsome cops together and create a

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tech show that shows off thelatest and greatest tech in
first responder world.
So not just cop stuff, but copstuff's easy for me right now.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
So what is some of the latest greatest?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So, like we went to Axon to film the pilot and they
have a body cam that does autolive translation.
So if you speak Spanish, yeah.
So it's got two modes.
It's got auto detect, so ifyou're talking to somebody and
you don't know what languagethey speak, you can try that

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mode.
Or if you know they speakSpanish, then you say you know,
translate Spanish to English,and then it'll do it, so you can
sit there and have aconversation Fucking Jetsons all
over again.
I know right.
So that is, and there's morethings that it's going to be
able to do.
They just didn't releaseeverything to us yet to be able

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to do.
They just didn't releaseeverything to us yet.
But it's just AI driven andjust a bit it's going to change
the way that they help.
Okay, you know, with all thisadvancement, in AI what I mean
it's going to.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's going to change the perception of school.
Yeah.
I mean, do you really need thiscertain type of degree, right,
if you can just look the shit up?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right.
Well, that's what Caitlin's.
You know my oldest, she's 16,so she's right in the heart of
it right now and you know she'ssuper genius anyway.
So she's telling me that theteachers are like making you do
work in front of them and ifyou're not doing it, you know
and you can't figure out how todo certain things.

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Like their grades are dippingand one of the ways that they
watch is like if you're scoringreally high on all your basic
work, but then when you'retested and proctored and you're
bombing, like there's a telltalesign that you're getting
dependent on ai stuff so that's.
That's the whole.
No cell phones and all thatcrap that they pulled this year.

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So that's the battle theteachers are having.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I believe it, because I'm just learning about what
that stuff can do.
I'm probably five years behind.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Just the knowledge of what it can do, not how it's
done.
But them kids they're usuallyupdated and experienced with
that.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, it's all they know some of them.
There's some kids now that havegrown up with it.
What is AI now?
Six, seven years old?
Yeah, eight years old, maybethat they've had the ability as
soon as they were able to startusing electronics.
They already know it exists.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
My grandkid, the three-year-old safina.
She knows how to operate theipads and stuff yeah like I'll
watch her.
I'm like, how do you know thatit is they grew up with?
Grow up with it, yeah you do.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
You tend to figure.
You know it was like me growingup with computers.
I started learning computersreally young, yeah, um, and you
know, we got our first homecomputer and I would start
pulling parts out of it when noone's home, just to see like
you'd take something out, hitthe power button oh it still
works, and put it back and thentry a different piece and it

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wouldn't work.
I'm like, all right, this isimportant, mark, just yeah.
So that's how I slowly startedlearning and eventually I got to
the point where I could buildthem, so built my first paid for
and built my first computer.
When I was in ninth grade, yeah,you got me the the CD ROM
burner so I could burn CDs.

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That made me so much money.
I made so much money in highschool because I had so much
music and at the time the onlyway you could you were burning
CDs was if you were copying a CD.
There was no such thing as amixed CD at the time.
So I was in the heyday ofmaking mixed CDs and people

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would pay me whatever I wanted.
I mean, literally, they'd belike I want.
I would have them make a listand be like all right, I have a
pre-made.
Here's my pre-made.
But if you want somethingspecial, it's going to be an
extra $10.
So I'm getting a $ dollar cdfor like 30.
Some people would give me 40 ifI like, made you know like a

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whole new list of music thatmaybe I didn't have, yeah, um,
so what I learned to do was whatthey didn't know.
It was what they didn't know.
This is where I really got totake the advantage.
As a young little hustler, I'dshow them the list of music that
I already had, but I really hada gigantic list.

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I'm like this is what I got.
But if I got to get this stuff,it's going to take me a day to
download.
It's just cleaning house, andso I wanted I think you got me
for Christmas.
You got me the burner Soundslike Ferris Bueller, yeah.
And then for my birthday, Iconvinced mom to get me another

(25:34):
one.
But I built it.
I put it all in there, figuredit all out, just fucking
crushing it making money leftand right.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's like a dope dealer.
Why don't you?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
earn money the real way, right out there just
ripping music.
Statute of limitations, guys.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
That was a, that was a minor it's only illegal, as if
you get caught it wasn'tillegal, then you know what I
mean.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, like they hadn't made the law.
It was so new, they hadn't madethe laws yet or anything.
It was crazy like napster.
That wasn't a thing I recall itwas years ago.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You would get a message, an email or something?
A cease and desist letter?
Yeah, yeah, because you copiedsomething or I don't know how
they figured it out.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I did that.
I got a couple of those mostlyfrom Microsoft because I was
trying to get, like you know,windows 98 had come out, so I
was trying to get Windows 98.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I do recall people would share the systems, like
the updated versions, somehow,some way, but it was illegal.
Illegal, it's supposed to buyyour own right, but everybody
shared it.
Yeah, did they come up with away of figuring that out?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
oh yeah yeah, now it's.
It's so controlled, like Idon't know how you could,
because you, I think, most ofthe time you, I don't even think
you can do it off of a discanymore.
I think you have to do itthrough, like their website,
through the internet.
They'll send you a password,right?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So there's no way around it, yeah, so how did it
go over the Disco Steel?

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So we did the.
It's funny because we had fivedays, because we had limited
money.
You know we got donations, orsponsors, I should say, from
several companies, includingAxon, axon, peregrine and Code 3
, or the three contributors toget the project off the ground.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
So just curiosity, what do you need to do all that?
I mean, I know you needequipment and stuff, but what
are some of the things that youdidn't realize you needed until
you got there?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
so it wasn't that I didn't.
I didn't realize a lot of it.
It was the Chris and Paulinawho do this for a living that
we're like this is who we'regetting, this is what we need to
get.
So one of them I can't rememberwhat the position is, but their
whole job is to keep everythingon schedule, so they are

(28:16):
constantly like hey lunch is.
It's not a producer.
Their job is ordering lunch.
If something needs to bepurchased at the store last
second, like you know, we'resitting on set and they're like,
we need, you know, a pair ofblack shoes.
We that this didn't happen, butthat's the example and that
that person's job is to getthose black shoes to.

(28:39):
That's a hey boy.
Yeah, it is, but it's important.
Like you need it's in, it's.
I don't even.
I think it's one of the higherpaying positions because they
keep everything in line.
You know, you've got if, like,if I'm not being filmed, they're
filming something else we tendto wander like, so their job is
to keep track of you, figure outwhere you're at, because if you

(29:01):
got a multitask, for sure, yesso it's a it's.
I couldn't do it because I can'tkeep track of that much crap.
So you got that.
Um, then I learned that theshowrunner, aka the director,
they're the ones that tell youwhat the storyline is going to
be, how it's going to go, all ofthis stuff for each scene, for

(29:22):
the whole project, really, butfor for each scene.
But then you got anotherposition called the dp, and that
is uh, I can't remember what dpstands for, but they're the
camera dude like.
They're the ones that tell youhow the shot needs to go.
They're the one taught me thislight trick.
So this is like the first timeI've ever used it, because I
learned it from him but theytell you how everything needs to

(29:47):
go for the cameras.
Well, sometimes the showrunnerand what the camera person, the
DP, needs, conflict, and it'slike who wins?
I mean, ultimately theshowrunner wins, but you have to
listen to the DP, otherwiseyou're not going to get a good
shot necessarily.
So I learned that Then there'sthe showrunner's assistant, who

(30:13):
is the person they bounceeverything off of, but typically
is the one running everything.
So we had the showrunner,paulina, and then her friend Raj
, who was I don't even know whatto call what he did.
Like I said, he's the assistantSidekick.
Yeah, like her sidekick, likeRobin, yeah, exactly, tonto.

(30:35):
So you're in there and Raj islike all right, I need you to do
this, we got to go do that.
We got to do this.
And then you'll see him runback to paulina real quick
because paulina's off doingother stuff for the next scenes
and whatnot.
So he's the one directing,really.
But that's not the but he's.

(30:55):
He's like the this is, he'slike the voice for, for the odds
, for the great and powerfulodds, so don't pay attention.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, um, that's, that's what Rajwas doing and he was great.
And then let me see what otheryou know.
Um, you got the lights person.
Uh, you got the sound person.

(31:16):
That's another important person.
Um, shout out to retro rifle.
We wore retro rifles the wholetime, which I see you wearing
your retro rifle shirt, a Magnumshirt.
I like it.
And I wore my Magnum shirt forone of the shows, and those are
really loud when you're mic'd upright here.
Oh, because it's polyester orwhatever.

(31:39):
And the mics are so sensitive,if you don't wear an undershirt,
the material rubbing againstyour chest hair you can hear it.
I know Gross.
He's like here's what I'mhearing and I hear it.
I'm like is that my hairs?
And he's like yeah, I was likewhat the fuck?
I'm too manly, I have to wear aT-shirt.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, I can't, no, I can't do you can't free ball it
under your shirt.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, it's one, you get sweaty, or two, it catches and
uncomfortable you just got toget used to it, baby.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You just got to be free.
You can't hold me down.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I sweat too much it depends.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It depends on what I'm doing.
If I know that I'm not going tohave anything to keep me fresh,
because you will, I what I'mdoing.
If I know that I'm not gonnahave anything to keep me fresh
because you will, I will sweat alot.
But if, if I have, like youknow, some spray keep keep fresh
.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I'm good, I'll be good, but you sweat more than me
, yeah, yeah, it's thatyear-round first, first sweater.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Okay, so it was a good time it's like boot camp it
sucks while you're there, butwhen it's done you're like that
was fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
You get to see the product.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
No, not yet.
We still haven't seen the firstcut.
The first cut comes in the nextfew days actually.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
And it's because they're working on editing and
all this.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, they're doing all the edits and then the edits
are controlled by theshowrunner.
So, and then the edits arecontrolled by the showrunner, so
she's giving them like here'swhat I want to see, waiting for
them to send it to see if theyhit what she was looking for,
and then if they haven't.
I think it's like three phases.
So phase one is you go throughyour rough cut of like here's my
ideas, what I want to see putit together.

(33:19):
So your editors are trying toenvision it and they're going
through, but they're also usingtheir own experience to make it
look good.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So years ago, when COPS was popular, we were one of
the first cities they came toand they'd write in it would be
a cameraman and a sound guyCameraman in the front seat
passenger seat and the sound guyin the back seat Right and the
cameraman had to get used tounlocking that back door.
Otherwise the sound guy's justtrapped, yeah, so something

(34:01):
would have happened, and eitherthey missed it or they heard
about it and like, well, thatwould be good footage, let's
recreate it on scene.
Okay, one example is the officerhad to kick open the door, but
the cameraman missed it, so theyrecreated it.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
They shut the door again After the scene was secure
.
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, that wouldbe so funny.
No, no, no, no, come back out.
I got to save her.
No, no, no, come back out.
Keep that door again.
What the fuck?
Oh yeah, that would be funny.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
We were searching a building when I was a rookie
canine missed this AP.
He was hiding underneath thesink and the dog missed it.
The dog was new and so after wefound him and the dog didn't,
he was cuffed.
He said, hey, can you put himback underneath the sink for
training?
We crammed him back underneaththe sink and let the dog find
him cuffed.
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
God, you can't do that now, sir.
Times have changed.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well, you know, I don't know why you couldn't.
I mean, it's not like we abusehim in any way.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean, what if he said I don't want to go back
under there?
Well, he's going to go.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
He didn't have a choice.
See, that's the problem.
We could say that's the problem.
Look, if you cooperate, put agood word in for you.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You're right, but you can't do that now.
Can't do that anymore either.
Can't promise him things.
You're not promising himanything.
You're off topic here.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Okay, I had a friend of mine call me and say, hey,
we're having a memorial forsergeant we used to work with
and a sergeant that was recentlykilled, about a year ago.
Okay, on the freeway, yeah,they both worked the east side
and so this guy got 50 of us, sothis guy got 50 of us together.

(36:05):
He showed up at this Railheadbarbecue.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh, okay, took it over.
That's not a bad joint I sawpeople I haven't seen in 30
years.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Really yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'm surprised you went.
I typically don't.
I know you don't, that's whatI'm saying, but you're like the
anti-cop after cop life.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
You know all these well.
I knew it was a controlledcrowd and most of these people I
wanted to see.
But all these other functions Idon't want to be around a bunch
of old retired cops talking warstories, right and bullshit.
Not that I didn't like some ofthose people.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
But there was enough that I didn't like that I didn't
want to run across, wasn'tworth it.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
To me.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, I get it.
I mean I don't.
It's funny because my wholepodcast life is police stuff.
But my friends that are a partof that and everybody that I
talk to we don't talk about copstuff like ever.
It's just essentially my hobbybecame my job.

(37:22):
This is another job that I haveessentially my hobby became my
job.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
This is another job that I have.
I've never been that type ofcop that always had to talk
about the job.
Right Live the job.
Yeah, you know, even off duty.
Yeah, I just it's what you do,it's not who you are.
Yeah, yeah, and some peoplethat's all their do.
It's not who you are, yeah,yeah, and some people that's all

(37:47):
their life.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I know, I know they drive me up the wall.
I'm like you're the first cop.
Those are the cops that aresusceptible to the ego issues.
Yeah, yeah, as soon as and Italk about this a lot lately is
what I notice in all the videosthat go wrong, where the cop,

(38:10):
you know, in my opinion, fucksup, is they give an order and
give a command, or they havethis expectation that should be
met and is always met, anytime.
They ever tell somebody I needyou to do this or I need this or
give me that, whatever it is,those expectations have always
been met.

(38:30):
They've always happened.
When they ask In the moment, itdoesn't.
They aren't prepared for theresistance, they're not prepared
for that unmet expectation andif it hits them the right way,
the ego takes over.
They go from thinking logicallyto now thinking with emotion

(38:50):
and then they get fucked.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Well, yeah, you're right, and a prime example is
I'm resisting by just notcomplying.
I'm not touching you, I'm notstriking you, yeah, I'm just
ignoring your commands and thatgets them really pissed yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
And I think back in the day, back in your time,
prior to that, we didn't havethe knowledge of what we have
now.
We're just like oh, he didn'tlisten.
Get the fuck down.
Well, the old what's thatverbiage?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Ask, command, ask, tell, make, tell, make.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
ATM, yeah, and people still follow that, which in
most cases is okay.
But like there's a video andyou know, these videos go on and
on all over the social media.
This lady was pissed aboutsomething with her ex-husband
child custody or exchange andthe guy kept.

(39:57):
The officer kept asking get outof the car and she goes.
No, is that?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
the one I'm a teacher .

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I don't know if she said I'm a teacher.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Oh, but they tased her.
Oh did, they broke the windowand tased her.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
She did something and she lunged forward with the car
and I half expected shots firedbecause you know some officers
get pinned up and wrapped up,yeah and and they didn't shoot
at or anything like that.
They just he said, fuck it, andgot his.
I don't know what it is atomahawk thing, broke window,

(40:33):
took him two strikes yeah but,you know, he's.
I don't get these people thathave the window rolled up and
yeah, like it's becoming a bigtrend.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I I'm actually trying to put like a compilation
together where it's you knowthey come up there and the the
immediate, like you said, verbalresistance.
Nope, nope, nope, not doingthis, frustrated, yeah, so
that's kind of the point that Imade in one of the last videos
that I put out was I'm to thepoint where I don't have an

(41:09):
answer to give you.
What do you want the fix to be?
Because it's either I just letyou go, which seems to be the
only other option, which wecan't do that it's going to
create this cascading effect ofeverybody will do it.
And then it'll just turn intolike it's a slippery slope type

(41:30):
thing where now they're going tobe doing that for other crimes
other than just traffic.
So you can't do that and Ithink most reasonable people
agree.
You can't just let people go.
But if it's an offense likespeeding and I don't have them
id'd and they're refusing to id,and people are like well, you
can just check the registration,well, that's great if that's

(41:51):
the person who owns the car.
But what if it's not?
Like now you don't have thatperson id'd and now you gotta
figure out who they are.
So you can't.
That that's not a it's not aworkable solution.
So I don't know what else youcan do other than ask them a
bunch of times, make it veryclearly known that we're going

(42:13):
to rip you out of the car if youdon't, and the decision becomes
theirs.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's not the cop's decision, but everybody puts it
on the cop well a lot of timesit's you really don't know what
you have, because it could be avery oh just innocent stupid
person not trusting you, or itcould be a criminal with a
weapon or something.
Yeah, so you never know what'sin the car.

(42:42):
So it takes the proper decisionto make, but you don't know
what's present.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, so I don't know , it's frustrating, it is, and
that's my problem is, I'm likeyou're mad at the cops for
asking this person, for rippingthis person out of the car, but
you're not acknowledging thefact that they asked 19 times.
They brought a supervisor outthere, they did all of these
things that they should not haveto do and then they ripped them

(43:20):
out of the car.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I think if you make a standard policy, rule law, if
you're in that situation andyou're trying to avoid contact
with the police, if it has toescalate to where they have to
get extract, you then make it afelony.

(43:45):
Yeah, I don't know, I get afelony just because you ran a
stop sign.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, but then again that's going to be.
That's part of the argumentthat the public's bitching about
is like you just tased andbroke this woman's car window,
open for speeding, and I'm likeyou're hyper-focused on the
reason for the stop.
You're completely glossing overthe fact that she's not giving

(44:14):
her name, she's refusing to getout All these things she's
required to do by law.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
She could be guilty of just running that stop sign
Right.
A traffic offense, not have anywarrants, nothing.
She's a clean person, nowarrants, no history.
Just decided she didn't want toget out.
But the officer doesn't knowany of this Prior.

(44:42):
Yeah, because he won't identifyherself.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, so it's to me.
And when I made the video, Iwas genuinely frustrated because
I had just watched it and I'mlike I don't have a fucking
answer, like I don't know whatmore you want.
So that's kind of I was like Ileft it to the crowd.
I was like you tell me what'sthe answer.
If this isn't it, what's theanswer?
And, as expected, there reallywasn't any clear answer.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
This isn't quite the same, but I recall stopping a
car years ago and the ladydidn't speak English and didn't
know anything.
Right, I couldn't communicate.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Could have used the Axon body camera live
translation.
Yeah, this was back in the 90s.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
So I got so frustrated I said, okay, just
carry on, go on your way.
Of course it was a minortraffic stop, but it's very
frustrating.
You can't communicate.
Yeah, very frustrating.
I mean in that, and that's just.
She wasn't.
It wasn't that she wasn'twilling, she just couldn't.

(45:53):
Yeah, not like this other ladyon the video where she's like no
, I'm not opening the door andtalking to you.
You're scary.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, I had the one guy's video that I talked about.
He's like you're scaring meright now.
I want your supervisor and he'slike no, he's like you have to
get me your supervisor.
He's like I already talked tohim, he ain't coming.
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
he ain't coming, I'm not getting you, he said you're
not worth the travel time yeahright.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, oh my God, the latest stupid video that I put
out is this guy's conspiracy.
You know legal conspiracytheory guy, and he's talking
about that.
When an officer signs a ticket,now it becomes this contractual
obligation to da-da-da-da andlike it's a financial you know

(46:45):
link between them and the stateand you don't have to pay the
ticket.
If you just follow these stepsand I'm like, oh my God, like
listen, and if you're listeningto this podcast, all a traffic
ticket signature by a cop is isthat he was the witnessing
person on behalf of the stateand everything that he wrote up
he is swearing is true.

(47:06):
And then when you sign, you aresigning that you know that it's
your obligation.
You're promising to appear incourt.
It's not an admission of guilt,it's not now that you and the
cop are, you know, binded by onering.
None of that.
There's no financial obligationto the officer, no financial

(47:26):
obligation to you, the personthat's getting the ticket, until
after court.
The court will decide if youhave to pay money.
I used to trick them.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Hey, you sign here.
No, I'm not going to sign.
Okay, I'll just put refuse andit automatically goes to a
warrant.
And next time you're stoppedthey're going to take you to
jail.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Okay, you can't do that done.
Oh shit, that's hilarious.
Um, yeah, they and I I'll tellpeople all that because that
that's the other option.
I tell officers I'm like canyou take them to jail if they
refuse to sign?
Sure you can, why?
Why?
I just say refused and thenwhen it gets to court and like

(48:09):
city refused to sign like wewould say that for people who
pissed us off.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
You know like, all right, I'll just take it
downtown and get you id I mean,you have that, I don't know if
they still do that cash bonding,but not not so much cash.
Well, maybe it is, but theywouldn't identify themselves.
So you take them to id whenthey're legally required to, and
yeah and they would be detained, brought to the damn id bureau,

(48:37):
yeah, fingerprint,fingerprinted, yeah, and then
identified yep and lo and beholdwarrants, I don't know how long
it takes Well back then Hours,I don't know.
They didn't have a computerdoing that shit, what yeah?
They would have to.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
That would be crazy.
Yeah, I know because I've hadto do that a few times.
Where I'm like, dude, it's atraffic stop, there's only a
couple times you have to ID.
Traffic stops are one of those.
So if you don't ID now, we'regoing to arrest you and then
you're going to get ID'd downthere because we're going to
cash-brown you on your ticket,which we don't want to do.

(49:16):
If you have a warrant and it'sa bullshit warrant, you're fine,
but if it's a felony warrant,you're fucked and you just be
truthful with them.
And every time most of the time, for me, they'd be like all
right, I got like you know,failure to appear or something
like that we would get insituations where they don't want

(49:36):
to cooperate and you can'tfigure out who they are.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
You don't have nothing on them.
So we had a fix for that, ohGod.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Already sounds illegal.
What?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
You're a danger to yourself and others.
You're drunk.
You PI them.
And then we PI them and takethem to this well, it was called
the drunk tank back in the dayand you just take them to.
It's a pseudo cell, yeah, atthe shelter, full of nasty
people and there would be countywork in there and you just fill

(50:14):
out a one-page.
You know you did this, this,this, turn it in and they would
make them sit in this place forfour hours and then cut them
loose Like a literal drunk tankjust to sober up, oh Jesus.
That was justice, oh.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Jesus, that was justice.
Oh, we were such different cops.
The culture was so different.
It is.
I mean, that's the truth.
The culture was different.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, when I was telling you about that reunion,
we had at the Girlhead a rookieat the time.
He's fixing to retire.
Now he goes.
I remember we got in a car, werode two man and you approached
us.
We drove up on this store andyou told hey, you come here,

(51:02):
give me your ID.
I don't have it.
What's your name?
I fill it out.
Then, all right, take off.
And uh, you didn't give him aticket and I said he didn't know
.
I wrote him a ticket but youturned it in.
I'm like, yeah, I did, becausehe's he's always trespassing, so
it's going to go to warrant andhe'll get his eventually oh, my

(51:24):
, my God, and he said what wecould do, that I said no, but I
did, oh, geez oh.
Pete's.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
What oh?

Speaker 3 (51:35):
my God.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
What's wrong with you ?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Justice.
That's unconstitutional.
You're not.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Batman Cleaned up that parking lot for a day.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Oh my God, you can't do that shit, fred.
Okay, I know there's nothinggoing to be done now, but that's
what I'm saying.
It's like that's the funny partabout.
Well, it's not funny, it's justthat's how much times have
changed what the public didn'tsee and didn't know, they didn't
give a shit about back in theday.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
We still talk about this.
There was a so-calledunderstanding with cops and
criminals about if you run andyou get caught, you knew what
was coming.
There's an ass whoopingattached to it and they knew

(52:33):
that and as long as it wasn'tsevere they didn't bitch about
it.
They just price it doingbusiness.
But now they know.
Yeah, you can't touch them noyeah, they, they'll run and
they'll, they'll stop and proneout and they're like it's a

(52:53):
giggle, because you know youwant to whoop their ass but you
can't yeah, yeah, they the the,the culture.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Like I said, it's like for me like none of that
shit's ever flown, like it'snever been a time, when I was a
cop, that that was allowed orthat was even like there were.
There were no like stragglersthat were about to retire that
we see out there doing thatstuff.
So it's just you know, and forthose wondering, if you haven't
listened to any of the podcaststhat my dad's been on, as he was

(53:24):
, you know, 80s to 90s was whenhe was on the streets.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
I was a rookie one day and we had this crack dealer
proned out and a lieutenantdrove by and said what's going
on here?
Oh, he's dealing.
And he heard that he spit on us, right.
You know what he did?

(53:51):
Kicked him right in the fuckingteeth while he's on the ground.
Who did this?
A lieutenant, Holy shit, Oldschool lieutenant, right, yeah,
Kicked him in the teeth.
Probably a cop in the late 60sand 70s.
And he goes, you and anybody outhere you tell them, no one
spits on my officers, leavestakes off.

(54:14):
And you know, that was aculture shock to me, because I'm
like I knew it wasn't rightobviously, because I'm like I
knew it wasn't right obviously,but yet I could tell it's what
they did back in the day, right,and we didn't do it in the 80s

(54:41):
88, but that's when he said it.
So I'm thinking this guy was acop in the 70s and they didn't
fuck around back then, god damn,and I had that.
my eyes are like the fuck, yeah.
So I'm not saying that incidentcreated a monster, but I can
see someone who could be easilyswayed because of what their

(55:03):
supervisor did.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
So question you knew it wasn't right, right what he
did, but you wasn't right whathe did, but you didn't turn him
in.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
No, fuck, no, we didn't do that back in the day.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Nobody did.
That's what I'm saying.
That's part of the disconnectbetween the public and the
police.
That's where a lot of thekickback comes from, and today
you're seeing very smallremnants.
I don't think you're seeing awhole lot of it, it's just when
it makes the Internet.
You see it everywhere.
But you're seeing remnants ofpeople that still think that

(55:34):
they can do that shit becausethey come from these little
podunk departments, that they'venever been checked, they've
never had the training or ifthey did, they just didn't give
a shit.
So for you, I'm like like whydidn't you say something like
you knew it was wrong?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
what is okay.
Think about it.
The only thing I could havedone was tell another supervisor
somewhere else, a differenttime or a different place, and
it's going to get out okay.
Yeah, and that lieutenant'sgoing to put two and two

(56:18):
together.
There's only three of us outthere, yeah.
One of the three.
So he's either going to hateall of us or figure out it was.
I don't think we're all rookies, but I was at least two rookies
there, yeah, yeah.
So when people say, well,that's an easy decision, just

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report it.
It's not an easy decision, yeah, not at a rookie level,
especially not back then.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
You know, back then is like, even if I reported back
then, I'm not saying this couldhave happened or would have
happened, but I could report itand depending on who I reported
to, they could have just notreport, not send it up to chain,

(57:13):
not done anything about it.
Or give me the speech or do theright thing and carry it up to
chain and, you know, makesomething out of it.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, make something out of it.
Yeah, but yeah.
Yeah, and I you know it's goingto be easy for people that are
listening to this today andthey're like, well, you should
have fucking done the rightthing.
You swore an oath, that's whatyou swore to do, da-da-da-da-da.
But the culture was differentthen.
So holding the same standardstoday seems super easy to do for

(57:45):
people back then.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
It's not okay.
Here's it here.
This may be a fucked up analogy, but all right, I'm excited
about this one.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Hold on, let me write this time down.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
This might be a clip okay, go ahead back in the day
if you owned a slave, oh jesusright, okay they treated slaves
like crap.
Right, but that was the cultureback then.
Okay, it's what was acceptableback in the day, isn't
acceptable now, okay, so I'mjust saying you had me sweating

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for a second.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I see where you're going you're cleaning it up,
okay, you don't want to.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Well, it's a perfect analogy.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I see what you're saying, but yeah, I think I'm
ashamed of my dad.
I'm just kidding, it's justdifferent times.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Well, there's a reason for everything I say, and
I'm a big believer in karma.
And things come back andthere's like you pay for the
sins of your father type thing.
You know, shit has happened inthe past that you may have

(59:07):
gotten away with, but somehow,some way, karma gets you and
then you get paid, paid back forit.
Right you know why didn't I getthis position Right?
Cause you didn't turn thatfucker in back in the day.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, Stuff like that yeah, the world works itself
out.
Yeah, I see that.
Um, yeah, stuff like that.
Yeah, the world works itselfout.
Yeah, I see that.
Yeah.
So I'm trying to think oftoday's times, that you know,
cops, they just don't get anybreathing space on both sides,

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and that's one of the things Itry to point out to the very
extreme cop haters.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Oh, let me interrupt you here.
I don't know if it was on yourfacebook page or another page,
but it.
Someone said I think copsshould record, should be
recorded 24 7 yeah, why did hemute his mic?
And?
And then, of course, everybodychimes in Well, are you
recording every second?

(01:00:11):
You're on the job, right?
Stuff like that.
It's the mindset of some of thepeople today think well, you're
a cop, everything should berecorded.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I don't agree with that I mean how?
Yeah, one tech isn't there yet.
It's really close.
The battery life and all thatstuff is getting better.
But the way that these bodycams work at least the ones that
I have they've got GPS in them,they've got all the AI stuff
running through them, so they'rethey're processing a lot more,

(01:00:49):
so it's eating the battery lifequicker.
And for it to last throughout awhole shift is, if you work an
eight hour shift, I think youcould, but you you shouldn't.
And the point being is, if I'mnot on a call there, there's no
need to be recording.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Because I've just like anybody, even though I'm a
public servant, I have privatetimes, even at work.
If I'm talking to my wife, ifI'm going to the bathroom, if I
my doctor calls me and he's like, hey, I got an update on your
whatever.
Whatever it is Like there'sprivate time, my lunch break,
all all these things.
So I need to have the abilityto turn it off.
So I think the remedy is if I'mon a call, the moment I get

(01:01:31):
dispatched, the camera comes on.
If I have to make contact witha citizen, the camera comes on
like there's there's rules, andI agree it should never be muted
.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Let me ask you this there are people out there that
expect cops to be perfect andnot to make any error.
What other profession out theredoes the public have the same
expectations?
Right?
Not even doctors, you know?
It's like we would get inarguments on the street and I

(01:02:03):
would bring this up.
I said, okay, look, yeah, youdon't approve of this officer's
reaction.
He overreacted or he shotsomeone when he shouldn't have,
or whatever the use of forcethat they didn't agree with
comes up.
I said let me ask you this howdo you train a human being to

(01:02:29):
handle that life-threateningsituation?
You can't.
You know, in academy you gothrough, uh, different scenarios
, but you know at the end of theday, you're not going to get
hurt, you're're going home,right?
It's kind of like militarypeople, infantry, an army.
How do you train someone to leta bullet fly by their ear or to

(01:02:54):
take a shot or whatever the useof force is?
You can't truly train someone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
For life and death.
Yeah, you can't, you can't.
You can prepare them as bestyou can and hope they react the
right way.
Yeah, the first time I'd everhad gunshots go off after us
downtown.
Um, you know, that was thefirst time that ever happened
and, it being in a cityenvironment, I didn't know where
the shots were coming from.
Yeah, only thing that helped mewas the crowd running, like how

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they ran.
So, luckily, my reaction wasdraw my gun, run towards where
everybody's running from, and Iwas with, uh, john dana actually
, and so and my true reactionwas move, move, move.
So the training took over andthen I laughed because Dana's

(01:03:48):
pants got stuck for a second ona car that he was trying to
maneuver around but hide,because gunshots were.
I mean, you know, when they'recoming towards you, you hear the
zzzz, like we were hearing that, and so we were trying to take
cover behind some cars while welike bounded to the position we
couldn't shoot.

(01:04:09):
We could see the guy throughthe crowd, but you obviously
can't shoot because there's toomany people.
But I remember John's pantsgetting stuck for a second and
him going, damn it.
But we're both going towards it.
And my point is, I trained mywhole, I trained military up
into that point.
I probably had been in lawenforcement between the military

(01:04:29):
and civilian Maybe five toseven years.
So I was I was in that five toseven year mark somewhere in
there and I never knew how I wasgoing to respond.
I've been in fights.
Yeah.
I knew how I would respond in afight, but that's a joke.
Like people on our level.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
When you see a gun aimed at you and fire, and you
hear bullets whizzed by.
Yeah, how do you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
prepare for that?
Yeah, that's.
My point is I was just I didn'tknow and I didn't think about
anything.
I remember afterwards we, youknow we debriefed, we kind of
had a little after action of howwe handled it and you know, me
and dana were not critical ofeach other, just is that we're
ox?

(01:05:16):
nope, that was a different oneyeah yeah, so this was outside
of, uh, the v lounge when thatwas a thing it was a fight in
the parking lot we we were therealready, like it wasn't us
arriving to scene, we were justthere hanging out.
We saw the crowd start togather around each other.
So we're like, ah, you know,it's one of those.
We start getting ready to startheading that way to break up
whatever nonsense was going on.

(01:05:38):
And then pop, pop, pop pop.
So he wasn't shooting at us,he's just shooting towards us.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Think of the factors here.
You got a suspect at the worstpart of their life making the
worst decision of their life,right, right.
And now you expect the cop, anofficer, to make perfect
decision.
Yeah, perfect response to that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I mean, you got total opposites, right while hundreds
of people are running towardsyou.
Because that was the thing withme is I was like I'm just, you
know, scanning hands, hands,hands, hands, hands, just
looking to see where this gunwas at, and once the crowd
thinned enough, we could see and, unfortunately for us, the guy
he was shooting at decided torun in our direction.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
See, if you would have had your Falcon he would
have got him right away.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I know, right, gondor , go.
I don't know why that's myFalcon's name, oh shit, yeah,
but I was.
I remember afterwards Iremember shaking Dana's hand,
like when we got to the office.
I was like hey man, I was likerespect, like you, moving

(01:07:02):
forward, helped me move forwardtoo.
I know it wasn't his intent,but watching him try to go in my
, my brain or in my heart at thetime was like I can't let him
go alone, like I, like I helped.
You know we, we both wentforward.
Um, and then a shout out toJohnny Salazar, cause he ended
up T-boning this guy.
So his gun stove pipes and heruns.
And then he runs.

(01:07:23):
I watch him throw the gun undera car and I'm calling out like
he's going.
At the time I think it wouldhave been South is like he's
going South.
He's coming up to you know thestreet and Johnny gets on the
horn.
He's like he goes.
I'm right there.
I was like blue car, blue car.
And he's like boom, just nailsthis dude, uh, in the in the
vehicle.

(01:07:43):
But yeah, he was able to get ina car and and run from us again
.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Like I said it was, it was so confusing and see
today and this wasn't too longago, but yeah, johnny's been
around a while right?
Yeah, today's officer wouldn'tt-boned him today's officer
wouldn't have T-boned him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
No, no, yeah.
But he stopped him right thenand there it wasn't even a
high-speed impact, it was justhe was coming out of the parking
lot.
At that time Johnny was rightthere and Johnny was boom, just
gets him.
So nothing came of that.
You know, we got the gun, gotthe shooter Nobody was hit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
That was the crazy part.
Nobody was hit I'm surprisednobody.
Yeah, got on johnny for t-bone,that guy no, nobody it was a
chain.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Oh fuck, at that time I think kraus was on that.
Yeah, now that I think about it, I think it was Krauss.
I don't need to know about this.
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure on that.
Yeah, that was crazy.
It was so that's back whendowntown was bumping a lot Now.

(01:09:01):
Yeah, now it's dead.
Yeah, it's funny People arelike what are you talking about?
We're not going to say You'llfigure it out, though, but yeah
it's times have changed.
I guess that's kind of.
The theme of this episode isculture of policing and how it's
changed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
You know it really has.
I mean, I can say what I seetoday.
I'm not attracted to policing.
I couldn't do it.
I would right do something else, and I'm sure it's because of
what I've experienced back inthe day.
Right which you know isn'twouldn't fly today, as would

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people back in the 50s and 60s.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, and the other part is too back when you were
getting into it and when youwere a cop, the public supported
you for the most part.
Well, now, like I was trying tosay earlier, it's out of sight
out of mind.
Well, nothing's out of sightout of mind.
Well, nothing's out of sightout of mind anymore.
No.
So now everybody can see andeverybody's got to say so.

(01:10:12):
Policing has traditionallyalways changed with the public
opinion.
You know, I think Rodney Kingwas probably the big start to a
lot of that, maybe prior to thatwith the dogs and the civil
rights movement like dogs weretreated differently after that,
rightfully so.

(01:10:33):
And then, when Rodney Kinghappened, that showed the value
of cameras, and so they startedputting the dash cams in, and
they were, you know, old schoolfucking recorders, yeah.
And then the public's opinionkept having more and more
influence because they wereseeing more and more.
So use of force, policies andprocedures changed.

(01:10:56):
We started getting more optionspepper spray tasers you know
different types of batons.
Speaking of pepper spraydifferent types of batons.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Speaking of pepper spray, I don't know.
I can't recall when it wasauthorized, but I carried that
shit as a rookie for multipleyears and used it and no one
said a word.
A pepper spray yeah, why wouldthey it?
Wasn't authorized back then.
Oh, I see what you A pepperspray, yeah, why would they?
It wasn't authorized back then,oh, I see what you're saying.

(01:11:31):
Really yeah, huh, nothing.
I wouldn't put it in my reportand no one knew it happened.
You know it's just yeah andyou're a tent and Holy shit, you
know nothing happened.
You guys were fucking cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Back in the day, you were just wild.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Uh, yeah, you know, to a point, you know we're not
wild west.
Like what's that guy's thatcartoon.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Oh, the Sam.
Yeah, what is his name?
Yosemite Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, yeah, that name .

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yosemite Sam.
Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it seems like you know but
I thought to me and I'm notjustifying it, I guess I am why
are you going to hold this toolfrom me if it could help me and

(01:12:30):
maybe save my life?
Right, and I thought it wasworth the risk to get in trouble
for it and I thought, well, howmuch trouble can I get for
carrying pepper spray.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah Well, back then it was flammable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
so I didn't have a lighter as I was doing it when
the taser came out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
that was one of the things with the original pepper
spray is that there was somesort of oil in the old pepper
spray Capsule oil and so whenthey would hit them with the
taser, if another officer cameup didn't know that that person
was exposed to the OC.
The pepper spray was flammable.
So that became an issue.
It's not flammable anymore.

(01:13:07):
They got rid of that part, butyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
I'm still tripping out over the tasers now, oh yeah
like the Taser 10?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
So when we went and did the filming, 10 shots,
45-feet range, individual shots.
So for those listening,traditionally the way the taser
has always worked is two probesgo out at the same time in a
v-shape and the more spread youget, the more chance you have of
neuromuscular incapacitation.
Well, oftentimes these fail.

(01:13:39):
When officers are too close,they miss with one probe it.
There's a lot of factors thatmake it more difficult to use
versus one shot at a time.
You just reach for glasses youdidn't have on and now the Taser
shoots.

(01:13:59):
It's classified as a firearm,by the way, really, yeah,
because it's got gunpowder in itto get.
I think that's why it's gotgunpowder in it to get.
I think that's why it's gotgunpowder in it to get the
projectile out there farther um.
That's why it gets 45 feetinstead of 25 like it used to do
.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Okay.
Now is the size still the sametwo probes, one one, 10 shots.
Okay, if you just shoot it once, it's still gonna give the same
effect no, you gotta get itonce.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
it's still going to give the same effect.
No, you got to get twoconnected.
Well, that's what I mean Withspace.
Yes, but if I was the Tasiaright now, I'm going to go pop,
pop, I'm just going to followdown your body line.
So wider the spread, the betterchance you have right.
So typically what I want to dois either hit one above the
hemisphere, one below, so yourbelt line is the hemisphere

(01:14:48):
there, or equator, whatever youwant to call it, or just start
getting you until I fucking dropyou.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
So if you hit four times, is that going to enhance?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
it.
It's only going to go after thetwo best connections the
computer system and it knows,fuck yeah.
So it's gonna look for the bestconnection wow yeah, they're
nuts.
They're insane.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
I was watching I was looking through facebook and
some guy has a page and he he'sdedicated it to older footage of
the city I worked at Okay.
And I'm watching like, is itthe dude that wears the weird

(01:15:39):
hair?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Larry.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
I didn't look close at it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
And it would be like a big event that happened, or
shooting or something, and showall the cops show up.
Oh yeah, I'm seeing yeah, andwe're talking back in the early
80s and it's just seeing allthese old old timers do the job
and kind of do it differentRight, Like especially they

(01:16:11):
didn't have all this high-techstuff, helping the job, yeah,
and I started thinking man theyhad to do it.
The hard way yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I actually just had this conversation the other
day.
It's like, you know, I work inthe real-time crime center now
and it's like if we were down,do you know how many work in the
real-time crime center now?
And it's like if we were down,do you know how many officers in
the field would cry about itNot physically cry, but cry.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
What do we do?
What do we do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I can't imagine.
That.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah.
They just it is not.
I don't want to come off.
It's all of them.
It isn't.
There are some.
There's still some awesomestreet goons, however you want
to call them out there doing oldschool police.
You know, going out, talking,making stops.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
You're going to laugh at me, but when I find um how
people are, um, well, thattowards you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
You don't have to get closer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
People are busted with certain crimes, Say they
commit a crime and they getcaught.
And a big way they get caughtis they carry their cell phone
with them.
Oh yeah, and the cell phone'sjust pinged in there.
It catches them at the location, time and date and I'm still
tripping out over that.

(01:17:29):
And that's how long it's beenaround and things keep advancing
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I tell people if you're going to commit a crime
don't bring your watch.
Don't bring your cell phone.
It will betray you becauseeverything is connected it will
betray you because everything isconnected.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
I told a client once.
I said look, you're fucked.
Well, how am I fucked?
No one saw me.
I said, well, they did you justdon't know it.
You got your phone, was withyou so well, they had a phone

(01:18:10):
dump on you and your phone wasat the location of the robbery
slash.
Homicide Doesn't mean it was me.
I lost my phone.
Okay, all right.
Then I started telling themabout the flock cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Mm-hmm you know LPRs yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
And I mean it's just a dot the dot, the dot, the dot.
Yeah.
And where do these dots lead Toyou?
Getting fucked, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
That's why I love like I'll brag about our
homicide unit 100% solve rate.
You're not getting one over onthem, there's two.
They've got too many tools now.
Yeah, not too many, but they'vegot a lot of good tools, you
know.
So.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
I know the supervisor of homicide well and most of
the investigators yeah.
So the investigators, yeah, andI met one the other day or
talked to him one the other day.
He goes well, you work for theother side and I'm like, oh

(01:19:17):
Jesus, they roll my eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Yeah, and I think you're going to have to explain
what it is you do now and thenroll into your story, okay, so.
Tell all the cops how youbetrayed your earth when I
retired.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I refused to put on a uniform to do another job.
Right, because most retiredcops Go do a cop job somewhere
else.
Yep, I'm like why?
Yeah, haven't you had enough?
How much money do you need?
Okay, I'm like, why haven't youhad enough?
How much money do you need?
Okay, I get it if you'redesperate, but I'm not desperate
.
Yeah, but I did find that I wasbored and I could only woodwork

(01:20:00):
so much, could only golf somuch.
You know, my hobbies can't,can't compensate for purpose.
Well, yeah, yeah.
So I had another officer whoretired out of my class.
Go, hey, why don't you take myjob?
I said, what's your job I workfor.
I'm a private investigator fora law firm.

(01:20:21):
Okay, what do you do?
I just helped them with thecases.
I don't want to work, but Ijust happened to know the
attorney that he worked for, orone of the attorneys he worked
for, and I played hockey withhim.
He's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, don't say where , because they haven't sponsored
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
They don't get any love.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
And they never came on the show like they said they
would.
No, I hope they listen to this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
They're too busy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah, I don't forget.
I forget a lot, but don'tforget that I don't forget
betrayal Anyhow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I said well, what do I?
Do you basically investigatecases of theirs, who's?

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
theirs.
Who are they?
You investigate cases of.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Of defendants criminals, defendants criminals
Okay.
And so Betrayed.
Yeah, I'm on the dark side now.
I love it, and so people I'vehad some flack here and there,
but they don't know the job.
And the job is hey,investigator, retired cop, would

(01:21:36):
you work for me, a defenseattorney, as an investigator?
I said okay, defense attorney,what are my expectations?
I want you to look at thesecases and give me your input and
try to prove that the copscrewed up.
So basically, they want me toevaluate what some detective and

(01:22:00):
patrol officer have puttogether, a case right, and what
better person to know what agood case looks like than
another cop that's retired?
So I'll get these cases andI'll read the reports.
I was.

(01:22:20):
What I love about the job iseverything that the detective
turns in to the DA I get.
I get everything.
I watch everything, all thecameras, body cams.
I read all the reports.
I basically review the case and99.9% of the time I'll go to

(01:22:43):
the attorney and go yeah, it's agood this guy's.
He's fucked and we have a termcalled he's a fuck chicken.
Okay, I don't know why, butthat's just something they came
up with.
I like it, oh so, um, that'sthe job, and I recall one day I

(01:23:10):
was in a homicide trial from oneof the clients, and all the
defense attorneys do is try topresent some kind of doubt.
You know, they know, they'refucked Right, but they have to
dot the i's and cross the t'sbecause if it's a appointed case

(01:23:34):
, every case that's appointed isreviewed by somebody.
If they haven't done duediligence then they'll get lose,
possibly lose their license.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
So I mean, if you're a cop, you want due process done
in the most positive way to geta conviction right.
Well, my position is to makesure that that has been done,
kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
IAD.
So that's why I get phone callsoccasionally like what the
fuck's up with your dad?

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
yeah, yeah, why is he over there representing the
shithead?
Yeah, and I'm like okay, I'mnot, I know this guy's guilty
yeah okay, I'm not trying to gethim off.
I'm just trying to make surethe due process was done and the

(01:24:31):
attorneys do the same thing.
But they get investigators tohelp them because they don't
know the ins and outs of of howa case has worked.
I mean, they'd learned throughmultiple cases.
But unless you actually donethe job, or they don't, they
don't know what to look for ordo.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So it's kind of funny that we had this discussion
about karma.
Karma, so the world comesaround.
You watched a guy, a lieutenantkick somebody in the teeth yeah
, knew it was wrong, but wasn'tin a position at the time for

(01:25:14):
the culture of policing reallyto do anything about it, or
brave enough, right.
And here you are now pointingout that you could have somebody
you know is guilty, but you sawthat due process was messed up
and you're doing the right thing, so karma's coming around.

(01:25:35):
I can buy that.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I think that's funnybecause this was not a planned
conversation.
I just said hey, dad, come overand let's do a podcast, good
catch.
So what are the odds?
Because, I started this podcastashamed of my dad, and karma
brought you back around to wherenow I'm proud of you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Okay, let me ask you this question.
Let me ask you this question,right, right, if you were an
officer back in the day, when Iwas and experienced that, what
would you have done?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
it's hard because I went from my culture, not like
here's what, and this is kind ofpart of my platform it's one of
the reasons I think I've grownso big is I'm constantly calling
out bad cops when I see bad copwork and I've told people like
there's a, there's like there'sone incident where there's a

(01:26:37):
sergeant that like basicallychoke, slams a female officer
because she tries to pull himoff.
Yeah, I saw, remember, saw thatyou remember that video.
And people have asked me likewhat would you have done?
I was like I would have fuckinggrounded him, I would have put
him in cuffs on the spot forassaulting another officer in
front of me.
I said but that is not eventoday.

(01:26:58):
I don't think that's a commonreaction.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
I don't.
I would think my reaction wouldbe to ground him, but that's it
.
Just to stop it.
I don't think I would cuff him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I would cuff him, but I would want to see what she
wants.
Like you can't control youremotions, you just assaulted her
in front of God and country andyou're not going to make me
look like a piece of shitbecause I need to protect her.
Me in my position, especiallyas a Sergeant, like my job is to
protect my people.
That's how I show them I'mprotecting them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
So Okay, so you're a supervisor in this scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yes, yeah, so, like me, as an officer, I'm kind of
in your shoes.
I don't know if I would havebeen depends how long I'd been
on, I would have stopped it asof in your shoes.
I don't know if I would havebeen Depends how long I'd been
on, I would have stopped it as arookie.
Fuck, I don't know, as a rookie, I was just trying to figure
this thing out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Now, not that I'm trying to redeem myself but you
were gay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I get it, so there's a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
In that period that excessive force assault.
Basically Now, if I witness saysome officers dealing dope or
Actually committing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Well, I mean, you saw a lieutenant commit a crime.
That's a crime I was about tochange.
Well, you saw him commit acrime.
No, what the lieutenant did.
You saw a lieutenant commit acrime.
That's a crime I was about tochange.
Well, you saw him commit acrime.
No, what the lieutenant did,that was a criminal offense.
The dude was cuffed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
But if I would have, I guess, if I would have seen
them do something worse.
You know that's pretty badShoot somebody and walk away or
steal something or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Let me put it this way I would have told somebody
you today, you today, in allyour experience a retired
lieutenant, you see anotherlieutenant do what that guy did
today and you're still on thejob.
What would you have done?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Yeah, he would have been reported.
Yeah, I wouldn't have cuffedhim.
See, I would have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
No.
A cuffed man that can't defendhimself Like you get your chance
.
If somebody spits on you themoment he spits on you, that's
your opportunity.
If you didn't seize the moment,but now you've kicked in
someone's face, that's defeated.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
That is a you know in military stance, that's a.
I can honestly say if I sawthat then he would have been
reported and probably dealt withthat night.
You know, I wouldn't have to dothe cuffing, Somebody else
would have Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Right, yeah, especially as a lieutenant.
It wouldn't be you.
You'd have been like Levine gethim All right, sir.
But yeah, I'm not extreme in alot of things, but I really hate
stuff once they're cuffed Like.

(01:30:15):
I've got videos on the shelfright now that I haven't
released yet of people fuckingwith cuffed prisoners.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Well, let me also share this with you.
Out of the amount of officersback in the day, that one
lieutenant would be an anomaly.
It's not like not everybody wasdoing it right, I don't want
anybody to think that we werejust lieutenants were running

(01:30:40):
around kicking faces in, yeahyeah no, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Um, I wasn't.
I wasn't thinking that.
I was more along the lines ofbecause I just know how the
conversations are going to gotoday.
Hearing this, you know I'm I'mprobably going to get guff
already of.
Like you know, how can you, howcan you have a dad like that?
Like I could just see some ofthe trolls coming out of the
woodwork yeah, like what?

(01:31:05):
yeah, yeah, I'm like somethinghe did in the 80s.
What do you want me to say?
Like it's a different time, dad, like that, like I could just
see some of the trolls comingout of the woodwork.
Yeah, like what?
Yeah, yeah, like something hedid in the eighties.
What do you want me to say?
Like it's a different time,like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I didn't report a Lieutenant as a rookie.
Yeah, you know for kickingsomeone's face in, Right or yeah
.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yeah, and and back then you had no proof.
It was your word against thatguy, and then you had to have
the bad guy willing to back himup and I would tell these people
that are going to give you anyguff, basically, hey, you know,
basically those without sin castthe first stone, right, you

(01:31:41):
know?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
We all have shit that no one's like.
I started off.
No one's off.
We can't be perfect.
They expect us to be perfect,and if another cop expects us to
be perfect, well, they're morefucked up because they know you
can't yep.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I've fucked up a lot, a lot, some I wish I could
share, if I just I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Can you give like a hypothetical and a range of type
?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Okay, I saw a very eager officer set up on a dope
location they're dealing and theofficer didn't know what to do
and was like okay, I knowthey're dealing over here so I'm
going to make my move when Isee it happen again.

(01:32:33):
Well, he didn't, the move never.
They left, they stopped, yeah.
But he seen them ditch the dope.
Okay, like they have a hideyspot Right, so they just left it
there so they weren't carryingit.
So the officer went over there,confirmed that the dope was
there, and then that officerleft the dope and then sent a

(01:32:55):
message to the narcotics unitand was like it's here, go find
it.
Didn't seize the dope, like youprobably should have done.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
What was the purpose of that?

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Because he wanted those guys to get caught.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
hypothetically, so he sees the transaction.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
They leave.
Thinks he sees the transaction.
Okay, they leave.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
He finds dope there, yep, and then he calls, and he
calls and he says hey, I justthink I saw a transaction and
the dope is in the bushes orwhatever.
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
And then doesn't sees the dope, doesn't
hypothetically, I'm I'mconflicted on this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Hey, no, no, because he doesn't have to seize it
right away.
He just has to seize iteventually, right?
So he's given the shitheadstime to come back and get busted
by narcotics, right?
I'm good with that, you're goodwith that, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Hypothetically.
I know an officer that may havedone that.
So I'm heading into theheadquarters, I'm in the parking
garage and as I'm walking intothe parking garage, which is
attached to the jail cameraseverywhere it's midnight shift I

(01:34:30):
see a bag of weed on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
It could be oregano.
You never know.
Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
So I walk up to it, I stop, I look at it, I'm like
that's a trap, that's a trap.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
I'm not falling for it he's watching.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
I just kept walking.
I didn't see shit.
You know, it could have beenanything from like someone just
fell out of their pocket theywere going to drag it.
But this was back in the daywhen they were setting shit up
trying to catch people.
Oh really, yeah they weren'tcatching me.
Not today, and it was just atiny amount for one joint.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
We have a dollar and some change in the real-time
crime center and they're in twodifferent locations and both of
them have sticky notes on them.
Of you're not catching me today, IA.
So somewhere someway an officerleft a dollar in that office

(01:35:43):
and the change in the same thingand nobody will touch it and
it's been there for years.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
They ought to bring in some civilian or some retired
cop.
Hey, there's a dollar.
You want it?
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Just take it.
We don't want to see it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Take care of that problem for us.
Yeah, oh, just take it we don'twant to see it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Take care of that problem for us.
Yeah, oh shit, yeah.
So we've been going an hour anda half.
You got anything else you wantto hit on that?
We haven't hit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
So how's the real-time crime center?
How's it functioning?
Is it rolling 100% or yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
yeah, we're killing it 24-7.
We've got 13 officers right nowout of 16 that were approved,
so we're able to run 24-7 prettysmooth and they're catching
stuff every day.
They're just great great guysand girls every day.

(01:36:45):
They're just great great guysand girls.
Um, one, you know, um rememberthe one that you used to think
looked like the, uh, the asianbadass on, uh, wolverine last
name, at least yeah, um, I knowher, she worked for me, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Oh yeah, she is a badass.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Prior Marine yeah, now she works with me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
So my favorite story of hers Uh-oh, she gets a call
from a country club.
Well, it goes through dispatch,right yeah.
Hey, I've got cars parked inthis spot that aren't supposed
to be parked there.
I want them all ticketed.
So she writes them all ticket.
Parking tickets, just stupidparking tickets, right yeah.

(01:37:32):
So as a good officer, will she?
Uh, she goes by there a weeklater and sees the same area
with cars parked there.
So she gets out and writes sometickets and then the, the valet
for the, the uh country club,who was the original complainant

(01:37:56):
before, said oh, they're good,they're good, they can park
there.
She goes.
You told me last week thatthey're not allowed to park
there, so I'm writing themtickets.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Right.
No, not these.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
They're good, she wrote them anyways, right and a
complaint I bet they lost theirfucking minds.
A complaint went up and I'm likethere's no complaint here.
Officer did what she was paidto do and I'm not going to

(01:38:31):
discipline an officer for that,I'm not going to write one up
for that.
So you know, a couple weeks goby and I catch her in the sector
.
I said that was epic, she goeswhat I said.
You got called out there towrite tickets, what they wanted

(01:38:54):
you to do, and you did your joband you took care of business
and you wrote tickets and, as agood officer, you went back
there a few days, a week later,saw more cars there and wrote
them tickets.
But they got pissed becausethey wanted those cars there.
Right, I'm like you're my hero.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
With a little devil dog.
I told her that yeah, priorMarine, she don't fuck around.
Been a little devil dog.
I told her that yeah, priorMarine, she don't fuck around.
No.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah, no, badass bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Yeah, she's cool, she's fun and she's kicking ass.
She's already you know she's inthat.
You know older generation ofofficers now.
So for her learning thereal-time crime center stuff,
learning curve's a littlesteeper.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
But I think she's been on the training program for
two or three weeks.
She's good to go if she's stillthe way she was back in the day
.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah, I mean, she's all business, yeah yeah, she's,
she's a good cop, you know, andI I rolled around with her, um,
you know, beat partners andstuff for a while and and so now
, being her supervisor which isa weird, weird thing I just tell
her.
I was like, just keep doing you.

(01:40:08):
I was like I've got no issueswith how you are as a cop, I
just don't ever put me in a badposition.
That's really all I can ask.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yeah, she was always.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
She wouldn't.
She's an honor guard.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
That's right, she's just impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
She is, she's awesome , she's corny to say she's
honorable.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
As a military person.
I respect.
I can safely say that most ofthe female rookies that I had
the last five, maybe ten years,five to ten years, last five or

(01:40:56):
ten years the females haveoutperformed the males Really.
Yes, Okay, and I'll getspecifically last couple years
before I retired, in 18 or 17.
I don't know.
I had three female rookies andthey just took care of business

(01:41:21):
and numbers were always high.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
And they didn't call you or call the sergeant and hey
, I got this problem.
They just took care of business, made decisions and did the job
and didn't care, wasn't lookingfor accolades.
And I had three females that Icalled.

(01:41:48):
I said you and you and you myoffice after roll call and they
come in like Seems sexist.
Yeah, they're like what thefuck we do Right?
And I go.
I don't know the exact words Isaid.
I said y'all, I just wanted togive you kudos for just kicking

(01:42:11):
ass, taking names not being aproblem and making the men look
like amateurs.
Yeah.
And they're like oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
I mean, they're just doing a good job yeah.
And it was.
You know how you get people.
They like to brag about whatthey did.
They never bragged about it,they just did the job, yeah, and
they were impressive I'vealways preferred female.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Like if you're gonna have a beat partner, um and and
for those listening, liketypically when when I'd ride
around in patrol, it wasn't uh,you didn't have a partner, like
that wasn't a thing.
So if you're thinking, if,where you're at, you're
picturing partners that's notwhat I'm talking about Like you
had your assigned beat and thennormally the person whose beats

(01:43:05):
are adjacent to you you wouldanswer calls with quite a bit
and you tend to gravitatetowards one.
So you had your beat partners,your sister beats, whatever you
want to call it, or beatswhatever you want to call it.
And I would prefer if I had afemale.
I always preferred a femalebecause every time we'd handle a

(01:43:27):
domestic or something that wasa little more your words needed
to be there.
Having a female partner wasamazing.
I always felt like itcomplemented the job.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I always felt like it complemented the job.
Well, if all things are equal,right, it just enhances your
capability to meet expectationsfor the citizens.
For example, you go to domestic.
Well, you're both men.
You don't understand Right Now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
You have that other gender.
You got a barrier there, yeah,but yeah, if you have a female
with you, you've got a betterchance of breaking through.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, so I probably got thatfrom you because of Renee,
because you and Renee were rideor die forever.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
So Renee kept me out of trouble a lot, yeah, um.
One story with that is we wouldwork the street that had all
the prostitutes on it um did itrhyme with?

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
lamb bastard yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
And there was this one that was just probably the
queen of all prostitutes, thebottom bitch, that's what we
call her.
She was always active and hatedeverybody, hated all the cops,
and we just knew if she was outthere.
It was an instant citation,because she's out there
soliciting right, and this iswhen aids first came out.

(01:45:06):
Wait, oh shit, what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
90 I don't know.
This is before I wasn't oldenough to know I mean.
So aids I first startedlearning about aids with forrest
gump, so so we typically justwe pull out.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Hey, come here.
Her name is tammy, come here,tammy, come get your ticket.
Ah, motherfucker, right, yeah,and she started going.
If you didn't have that badginggun, blah, blah, I'd whoop your
ass.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know all that shit.
Right, she's in the backseat.
Just one time, right, and Idon't know why, but she got to

(01:45:49):
me, she got under your skin, ohyeah, oh geez, oh yeah, and
Renee's driving.
I'm the passenger, and usuallythe passenger does the ticket
right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Yeah, I would hope so .
Somebody's got to drive.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Yeah, so she's just motherfucking me and I'm just
brewing and I don't know it getsto me right and she goes if you
didn't have that fuckingbadging gun.
I'll whoop your fucking ass,you motherfucking bitch blah
blah and I just fucking snapped.
Oh jesus, I take my gun off, mybadge off and this.

(01:46:30):
This is when we had I was in abike unit at the time, yeah and
we had fucking t-shirts with afucking tin badge.
Oh yeah, can you believe thatshit?
No, yeah, that's how backwardswe were.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
So shirts all saggy on one side.
I take it off.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
I thought, my shit, I swing open that door and she's.
She's like you're about tofight a female, maybe.
What a female.
Maybe, Maybe what a dick.
Renee's screaming Fred, stop,stop.
And I'm like I'm just givingher a ride.

(01:47:10):
Country accent coming out.
I can hear it you fucking blah,blah, blah.
And then Renee kept screamingFred, stop.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
She's got AIDS and like, oh Jesus, stop, she's got
AIDS.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
And then AIDS kicked in Bloop Like get back.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Did you have cages back then?
Yes, okay.
Well, at least you had a cageto keep you separate.
Oh geez, old piece.
That's funny, the flint cameout of you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Oh fuck, I mean you know, because we dealt with her
weekly yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
So you had a relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Yeah, and she, she knows you, she it just built up,
she got you, she got me, shegot you.
Renee saved me.
Respect, I hope she's stillaround.
Oh, she would do that.
No, she fucked up big time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
She's probably dead.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
now.
She would drive by, or we woulddrive by, or cops would drive
by and she hit all cops and shewould lift up her skirt and
she's naked, indecent.
And you would see all that shitGross Right and the rookies
would eat it up and stroke her.
But Right.
And the rookies would eat it upand stroke her, but Right, I
guess that's the wrong word.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Right, or ticket, Ticket, guys, Ticket.
I was just thinking that too.
I was like oh Jesus, yeahticket.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
The old timers were like just keep driving, Keep
driving by yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Yeah, you learn, you do learn.
I have worked in that bardistrict.
When I worked there, it wasgetting my rookies, because they
were truly rookies.
Zero to three years was like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Nobody wanted that beat no and all the rookies got
stuck with it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
And so having them, I think for me as a new sergeant
was the best experience I couldhave, because I just sit back
and laugh, because I'm watchingthem.
Like you know, they're a catwith a laser, you know seeing
the dot and they're just chasingthe dot everywhere they go.
Multiple opportunities to seethe dot, yes, and I'm just like
relax, relax.

(01:49:12):
Like you know, there's a fightin the bar.
Let them fight.
There's no reason to put us.
There's too many people wecannot protect ourselves.
Like, let the bouncers do theirjob.
If, if somebody is crying forhelp, then we'll go in, but
until then stay out.
And so it's it's it's a hard,but for me I'm just sitting back

(01:49:34):
laughing Cause it's one, I'vegot the confidence of having a
grappling background and allthat stuff.
But two, it's just seeing theeagerness and not seeing the
bigger picture.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
I've only worked a bar once and I would never do it
again.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Oh really no, it's too busy.
I didn't work bars as apart-time, if that's what you're
referring to yes.
Yeah, I never worked part-timebars.
I did one as a owed favor andthe person I'm going to call him
out, but he asked me to work aparticular bar, he's like it's

(01:50:13):
like 30, you know the typicalcrowd's 30 to 45.
Like there's never any problemsand it's down in the country
area.
I'll put it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
It's a tourist trap.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Yeah, and his name is Garwacky, by the way.
Yeah, I'm calling you out,Garwacky.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
That's where I had my issue.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Yeah, and so I worked that one spot, that one night
and sure as shit, of course Ihad to deal with some bullshit.
Um had to call patrol, havethem come handle it, because you
know, working a part-time, youcan't deal the paperwork and all
that stuff.
But I was there.
I was only supposed to be theretill 2 30 and I'd be in there

(01:50:57):
until like 4.30.
It's miserable, I don't get the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
I know why they're working it it's for the women.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Yeah, I guess that could be it too For me.
I worked part-time for themoney, but I worked smart ones.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Well, if you're a single male officer and you work
a bar part-time, you're goingto draw the chicks.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Yeah, the badge bunnies are going to come flying
, You're going to get them.
I used to give them my wife'snumber.
They never used it.
That was the best part.
I would tell her too.
I'd be like, Sarah, I gave yournumber out to this girl.
She didn't like it Either thatnight she didn't like it either
way she didn't like it no, but Iwould avoid them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Yeah, I, they're too much work.
Yeah, and how many complaintsand investigations come from?
From bars officers working barsyep fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Yep, I would you know , and that was part of my job as
a supervisor down on that bardistrict was trying to let my
guys know of the problems ofworking these types of areas.
So you know, but you can leadthem to water.
Let my guys know of theproblems of work in these types
of areas, so you know.
But you can lead them to water,can't make them drink.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Well, you know, if I was to have my wish, I wish
society would come to theconclusion, or the awareness,
that, yes, you want officers tobe as best as possible, as good

(01:52:48):
as possible, but you can'texpect perfection from a human
right.
You just can't.
And you know, we talk about, uh, training, and I get so tired
of hearing we need new training,we need more training, this and
that.
Well, most of the trainingthey're trying to associate with

(01:53:10):
an issue isn't going to work.
Yeah.
You know.
Either you have the commonsense not to do what they're
bitching about or you don't, anda lot of that falls on the
recruitment of the officers.
You don't know if someone hasit or not.

(01:53:34):
You try to screen as much aspossible.
But you're asking recruitmentto have a crystal ball to read
the future, read people's mindsand let's face it, if people
knew my background, they wouldhave hired me as a cop, right,

(01:53:54):
because I was a heathen.
That's why I think I became agood cop, because I knew all the
tricks of the trade, right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
I think that's why I've grown up in Flint Like you
just you had.
I have friends that are in jailnow.
I have, like I saw all sidesand I think that's what helped
me, what I consider being goodcop.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
I've had friends say who hired you as a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Right, why?
Yeah, I can't believe they gaveyou a badge.
With your temper.
What?
Right, yeah, I will say thisabout your temper You're real
patient up until the point,you're not, and then it's, then
it's, then it's over with, thenit's extreme, I'm like yeah, I

(01:54:46):
go from, I can, I have athreshold, and it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
I'm pretty mellow, especially when I know I'm, uh,
in a role that has to be careful, even with administrative
things.
If I snap, I snap, yeah, Ifucking snap yeah, and most

(01:55:13):
people haven't seen it, but yeah, it's not pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
My favorite thing is your excessive swearing, like do
it to the point where itdoesn't make sense.
You'll drop an F-bomb, butyou'll drop 18 of them in 14
different ways and I'm like thatdoesn't even make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
I'll share you a snap .
I had at work, when I was in acommander's meeting and I had a
question about a stupid blueteam.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Explain what a blue team is it's an investigation?

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
for officers if something happened, something
needs an investigation to see ifthey did anything wrong.
And this thing was called theblue team.
It was supposed to replace theold system of investigation.
Well, this captain or no deputychief wanted or he's a captain,

(01:56:14):
he wanted the old systemattached to the new Blue Team.
I'm like that don't make anysense.
Why do you want us to do it theold way and attach it to the
new system?
Why not just incorporate?

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
everything, just do the new way.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So I questioned that to thedeputy chief and then the
captain that wanted that gotpissed and he goes well, I'll
tell, tell you why I'll answerthat question, lieutenant.
That's because you, you, you,you, you, and he starts to go on
and say you forgot this, youforgot that, you did this, you

(01:56:50):
screwed up.
It was the worst investigationever and he embarrassed me in
front of all my peers.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
Did it rhyme with Battlington?
No, wasn't that?
No, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
It reminded me of Ogogo oh.
Okay, I know what you'retalking about.
Which we ended up becoming kindof civil yeah.
So I'm like this is bullshit.
So after that meeting I wentdown and I told the chief.

(01:57:30):
I said that's bullshit what hedid and I just went off and he
started coming at me again.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
In front of everybody .

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Yeah, but everybody was dispersing right and I go, I
go, I go.
I am so sick of this fuckingshit.
If you had a problem with myfucking report, you should have
told me and I would have tookcare of it.
But no, you didn't and saidwhat the fuck?
And then you embarrass me infront of all these people.
I'm mad enough to know.
Admit if I'm wrong, I'll takecare of it.

(01:58:04):
But you never gave me thatopportunity.
You just want to go fuck meover all these people.
And then, while we're arguing,my captain goes that's on me, he
texts me.
That's on me, I just took careof it it didn't let you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
Yeah, oh, shit, dang.
So I I think I kind of rememberthis story.
Did this same person give atraining prior to that about how
to discipline and not to likepraise in public, critique and
private?
Was that that same?

(01:58:40):
He was there, oh okay.
That, that training.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
Yeah, and then he goes and does that Right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
So he didn't pick up anything.
So the point that I'm gettingto for those listening is I
remember this situation and mydad telling me that they had
just had training about not tocritique your people in public.
To make sure you pull themaside.
And if you're going to, youknow, praise them in public.
You know if you've gotsomething good to say, but if

(01:59:07):
it's bad, pull them aside.
And then not even 10 minuteslater.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
He got so butthurt that I questioned why we were
doing attaching this old systemto the new system.
Why can't it just be alreadyincorporated?

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
And he got butt hurt and you didn't even say his name
.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
No, and I didn't even know it was him.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
In your fit of rage, did you try to fight him?

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
I tried to get him to hit me.
He wouldn't hit me.
Okay, he wouldn't hit me.
He wouldn't hit you.
No, because I knew I could.
You could take the hit.
I could take the hit andjustify defending myself.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
You should have whooped in that ass, oh shit.
Well, live and learn, folks.
Live and learn.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
I think it's a good spot to stop.
Yes, my wife's calling me,we're gonna go fishing, okay,
and uh, labor day projects, uh,I don't fishing, that's the
project.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
It's labor day.
That's what I'm saying, right?
Um well, I mean what's today,saturday?
So it's tomorrow's labor day.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
Yeah, one thing that I can say is that you have
definitely not take the courseof action that I did.
I was honestly.
In my opinion, I was on a fasttrack because I knew all the
right people.
I was friends with all theright people.

(02:00:39):
It's just that, of the peoplethat make decisions, I was
friends with half and the otherhalf were useless to me because
they were pathetic and I spokemy mind to them when I shouldn't
have.
And they ranked up so high thatthey never forgot Bitch in the

(02:01:05):
ass.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Well, that's my biggest fear with this podcast
is I speak my mind.
I call out what I think needsto be called out, and I'll fully
admit I've eaten crow before.
I've been wrong.
It's not, it's just just.
Is what it is.
Like you said, we all fuck up.
I'll, I'll speak my mind.

(02:01:30):
If I get new information and itshows that I'm wrong, I'll say
okay, well, this is what Ithought and this is why.
But this is what we figured out.
This is you.
You changed my mind.
I don't double down.
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
Well, you know, I follow your career and your
podcast.
I can't see anybody.
Of course, I guess I'm biased,are you?
Finally?

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
admitting, I'm your son Today.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
Today, okay, but are you finally admitting I'm your
son today, today, okay, um, youknow, I don't.
I don't see.
I can see some of the oldtimers who are crusty, maybe not
agreeing or on everything, butuh, you're trying to do
something good and if peoplecan't see that then they've got

(02:02:19):
an issue of blocking somethingout, or yeah, I don't know,
something that they just can'tcompensate for maybe I don't
know how to put it?

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
um yeah so well, we gotta start taking advantage.
Are you gonna be back mondaynight?
Do you think, yeah, we'll?
Are you going to be back Mondaynight?
Do you think, yeah, we'll beback?
You want to jump on the livefrom your house?

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Yeah, I don't have that camera hooked up anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
Get it set up.
Oh my God, it is not that hard.
Why'd you take?

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
it off.
We had to do something, ohJesus.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Okay, get it set back up.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
I've been trying to get you on the line.
Maybe my son would come overand hook it up for me, but I
could.
I could do that to do that sowell, here's an issue.
I've got six guests at thehouse are they still there?

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
there Still Fuck.
Okay, I don't want you on, I'mnot dealing with that.
I'm not dealing with theconstant interruptions and the
sounds in the background.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
You might have to wait, yeah, we're going to have
to wait.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
That's miserable.

Speaker 3 (02:03:31):
When the fuck, are they out of there?
You know what would be fun Ifyou could get Lynn on your
podcast.
Just talk about whatever.
Lynn on your podcast just talkabout whatever, Just just
bullshit Because your, your,your, true uh chemistry would
probably be, very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
I'd be like you guys won't believe this.
But this is my fucking sister.
You're not reading her facewrong.
She's a bitch.
That's just how.
That's just how she is.
Uh I love you, lynn, I love youlong time.
Yeah, shit, yeah, no, that'd befun.
If she's down, she's got tounderstand now it's what?

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
what's impressive with her is that she's a teacher
she's a teacher and does well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
I can't believe she has the patience for it, because
she doesn't have the patiencefor me.
She doesn't have the patiencefor me.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
You know she coaches cross country and she's the head
of the food bank at the school.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
Yeah, maybe I'll try to get her on.
For sure I don't have a Becauseshe around.
For sure I don't have asomebody I won't have on she
tried to be tried to get on thedepartment yeah, she tried to be
a cop.
Yup, she was too honest.
Apparently they weren't havingit your stepdad's Lieutenant,
gilbert.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
No, fuck, no, get out of here.
You almost didn't make itbecause of me.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
I know, I know I was too honest.
It happens.

Speaker 3 (02:05:07):
How often have you been intoxicated?
About 380 times.
What?

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
You didn't define intoxication.
You tried to make me define it.
All right Now we got to tellthat story so real quick when I
was trying to get onto thedepartment I'm on.
There's a question in thebackground, there's two.
One question is defineintoxication, like your
definition of intoxication.
And the next question was howmany times you've been

(02:05:33):
intoxicated.
So to me, I'm a nerd and I'mlike oh well, intoxication is
anytime you introduce somethingto your system that affects your
thinking.
So one sip of alcohol,technically, if you want to be
technical about it, scientificis Big bang theory yeah, big
bang theory that you areintoxicated.

(02:05:55):
It doesn't mean that you loseall faculties, but that's a
level of intoxication.
So then, on the very nextquestion, they said how many
times have you been intoxicated?
Doesn't mean that you lose allfaculties, but that's a level
intoxication.
So then, on the very nextquestion, they said how many
times you've been intoxicated?
I was like well, fuck,according to my definition, now
I can't lie.
So I was like I did some bromath.
I was like I've been 21 sincethis age and I'm here so 380

(02:06:15):
something times.
And what I found out they meantwas like blackout drunk.
And I was like so they, theymade me clarify and I was like
oh, blackout drunk.
Twice, like I knew right offthe top of my head.
I know both times and I cantell you both times.
Um, because the second timeinvolved me inside of a kroger e

(02:06:35):
trying to eat a frozen pizza, aDiGiorno it's.
Digiorno.
Yeah, but yeah, so they askedthat question, I clarified.
And the person that was one ofthe determining factors at the
time.
Captain over there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
Yeah, was not happy with that answer and was like
nah, I'm good, and we weredealing with severely numbers of
officers getting in trouble fordrinking Right.
And he didn't want to risk itRight, this is a buddy of mine.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Right and I understand, but I clarified it.
I feel like I fixed thatproblem, that justification, and
my other thing was like yourwhole job is a background
investigation.
I have no write-ups.
Yeah, in my entire career Iwent, I got an honorable
discharge, active duty, all ofthese things.

(02:07:25):
I got my degree while I was inlike there's a whole bunch of
factors in this and I was a copat another place with no, no
issues like do the math?
Do the math?
Like what's the fucking problem?

Speaker 3 (02:07:37):
so yeah, so he didn't want to budge, so we had to go
around his, around him.
Yeah, with the connections thatI had, yeah to make sure it
wasn't an issue.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
You're right it shouldn't have been an issue.
Shouldn't have.
And that's my thing is likeyou're getting, like your job is
to do a background check.
Do an actual background check,don't just get stuck on one
thing.

Speaker 3 (02:08:04):
Nerd, nerd, yeah, fucking, nerd.
So, but me and that guy arecool now, so yeah, oh he, I mean
, we've always been cool, but Ididn't get that.
But, um, he's a big time.
Uh, um, he's a big time.
He fixes up, makes Mustangs,old Mustangs.

Speaker 1 (02:08:26):
No, no, no, that's the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
I know who you're talking about We'll talk about
it.
We'll talk about it after Puthis name down.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
You're thinking about yes, yes, it's, it's, this is
the one, that's the one.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
I'm getting mixed up.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Yeah, he's Mustang, guy.

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
Right, he's the one.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
Yeah, I've been mad at the Mustang guy alright with
that, guys.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Thanks for listening everybody else have a good night
, take it easy.

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