Policing in the Modern Age: Between Constitutional Rights and Real-World Challenges

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Thank you for listening.
All right, welcome back to CopsOne Donut.
I'm your host, eric Levine.
I got with me my co-host,banning Sweatland, and our

(01:02):
special guest tonight is the oneand only copville.
What's up, brother?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
how's it going, man?
Thanks for having me, guys nota problem, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Uh.
So, um, behind the scenes, alanis doing his thing and he he
got a little little premature.
He got excited he had evenfucking started that show 20
seconds early.
He's like you know what we'regoing now?
Off we go Before we get started.
I like to make the first 10, 20minutes about our guest.
So we have Copville here, whois a now retired police officer.

(01:33):
Give a little background, sir.
Tell people who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm a moron that just chose to be a cop.
For about 23 years I started ata small police department on
the East coast of Florida, verabeach, and then I graduated to
the uh anywhere County sheriff'soffice where I spent 20 years.
I got into narcotics very youngin my career, spent about six
and a half years worked wiretaps, uh DA task force, went into

(01:58):
regular detective, kind of gotinto the training stuff late in
my career and become an FTO tillI was about 12, 13 years.
In had this wild idea that whenI was 42, I was going to try
for SWAT and made it, went on tobe a street crime sergeant
supervisor US Marshals TaskForce and left as a RTCC
detective in September of lastyear.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Nice, okay, so we have a lot in common when it
comes to the real-time crimecenter area.
I'm actually a board member forthe National Real-Time Crime
Center Association, and I startmy new position as a sergeant in
our real-time crime center thisMonday.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's one of the most underused and key pieces of
law enforcement that everyagency should have.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So what's really interesting about my department
that's different than mostunderused and key pieces of law
enforcement that every agencyshould have.
So what's really interestingabout my department that's
different than most is westarted as an all sworn, 24
seven um manned real time crimecenter and we are currently
still under that, um, that style, and there's, there's I think
Mesa is probably the only onethat I know of currently that is

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still all sworn and that's howthey operate.
They're just not 24-7, but it'shighly successful.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's a great, great thing and, like I said, in
Florida, we're a couple yearsinto them now and I think
Orlando PD is one of the moststaffed.
I think they're running like 8am to 3 am, Okay, and there are
three sworn and then civiliansand then ours was.
I was the only sworn, butFlagler County has a good one
which is up by Daytona and it'sall over the state.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Mickey North runs that shit up there.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Got a dog I don't remember when I went, they have
a dog that walks around Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
We have one more of our people that are supposed to
be joining here sooner or later.
We'll see when he jumps on trey.
He's got a.
He's got a very young kiddo, um, like I don't even think a year
old.
So he got help in traffic.
Yeah, oh, did he?
Yeah, okay, cool.
I'm going over to the chat nowand just seeing what everybody's
up to.
We got david edmonston in thehouse Just giving shout-outs to
our regulars.
Was waiting 32 updates.
Youtube what's next?
Love it?
Constitutional country girl Tim.

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I want to give a shout-out toTim.
Tim was helping Allen all daytoday.
They were trying to get us upand running live on Instagram
and TikTok simultaneously, so Idon't know if it worked.
We'll see.
Have you run into that on doingyour stuff?
Have you tried going live onYouTube?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Facebook Me Connecting this time to YouTube
is my first live.
I used to go live on my bigaccount on Copville when it was
massive.
I would go live a lot.
I'm on my seventh episodecoming out tomorrow on my
podcast, so I haven't done anylive stuff so this is the first
one give a shout out to countrygirl.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
She just gave out 10 memberships.
Thank you very much, um,looking down the list, everybody
knows the drinking game.
If, uh, marine blood did notget a, we have this guy.
He's been a part of the showsince we pretty much got started
doing the live streams.
People will give thesememberships just about every
show.
He's never gotten one, so it's.
It's become such a running gagthat now it's a drinking game

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that every time Marine blooddoesn't get an account,
everybody's got a drink.
So I got my Coke zero, coke zero.
Now, when I do drink, I don'tknow where you're.
You're South Southern guy, I'mNorthern, I'm from Michigan
originally, so I said pop.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm from Jersey, dude oh you're from Jersey.
Oh, you guys said pop.
No, I didn't say pop I said youdidn't say pop oh not sure.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
over there Michigan's kind of they call it Midwest,
but I think that's stupidbecause we're East of the
Mississippi.
Alan, I don't know what you gotgoing on in the background
there on there bud, but you are,I'm I'm about to kill it.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
I just was saying my crap broke right when I pressed
start the stream, so oh, I gotyou.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Well, you're not um, you're firing it up now I'm
gonna try yeah okay, cool, backin a minute sounds good.
Harrison brock's trying tothrow out some uh, some
memberships as well.
Thank you, sir.
Uh, I'm looking down the listto everybody that got one.
And guess who did not get oneagain.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
And real quick to Harrison.
I get a ton of messages onLinkedIn.
I know you sent me one.
I'm going down the list,brother.
I get to them one by one.
I will get to you.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Cottville, I'm sure you can empathize with this.
We have 100 hundred thousandplus people.
We get messages constantly timejob.
It is a full-time job you knowyou.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know his joke.
Your wife gets on you forhaving your phone in your hand,
all that stuff.
Then you don't you realize youreally didn't need it in your
hand.
Yeah, so you get over even now,but almost back to 30 000 it's.
I put my phone down and so what?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
okay, first off, why did you start copville?
What was the point behind it?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
so I went through a nasty ia back in um, I always
get it wrong.
My wife gets mad 2022, 2023,what year is it 2023, may 23 or
that year 23?
At the beginning, I wentthrough a nasty, I got demoted
and I was.
It was a political hack huntand I cover that on multiple
podcasts.
I'm not gonna bore you with it,no worries.
But um, as like a Get back, Istarted making memes about my

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own agency as a joke and backthen it was um.
One of the pages I follow wasten, eight memes.
He kind of disappeared.
He was one of the first bigmeme pages and I started sending
them to him and he's like bro,these are pretty good, you just
started mean page.
No dude, I don't know what thatis.
And then one day I was likefuck it.
I started and I was likeHoodville is I don't know if you
follow Hoodville or seeHoodville memes.
He's like on, he's a popularnine million, he's all like

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funny hood memes.
I was like, well, hoodvillestarted, I started posting them
and I caught fucking hell.
But I went from zero to twelvethousand in like two months and
just no shit.
And then it went crazy and Iended up peaking at under two
years before I lost my account.
In february I was at 135 000 inabout 20 months.

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You lost.
So how did that happen?
So they hate, obviously theInstagram, hates Republicans,
hate cops, hate anything to dowith the government, and you
know the AI stuff they use tofucking track.
The stuff is garbage.
So anything to do with a gun?
Well, first of all, I wentafter the TikTok cops and I
think they mass reporteverything and I was friends

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with the anti-TikTok guys.
So those people, what are theyon?
6.0 now?
Yeah.
And then the other thing wasanything like I posted a jerry
worms cops episode, literally acops episode like 20 second clip
flagged for governmentpolitical views and violence and
all this garbage.

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And I'm like what?
So it started adding up andthen, right about two weeks
before I lost it, I got hit, hitwith all the red dots.
I had everything.
I was banned from live for ayear.
I was banned from being seenfor a long time and then I woke
up the morning of February 27thand my business partner at the
time texted me.
He's like are you alive?
I'm like, yeah, why?
He's like the page is gone.
I'm like you've got to beshitting me.

(08:58):
Oh, no, and I've been bannedbefore.
But I just appeal it and itcomes right back.
Yeah, it didn't work.
I appealed it and I can log inand when I log in, it says you
know, your appeal has been taken.
We'll be in touch in a fewbusiness days.
I even went as far as a bluecheck mark my podcast account
and my regular account yeah,Chat feature.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
And I've chatted twice, two hours with help
begging and they don't.
They don't want to do anythingabout it, so I kind of consider
it gone at this point, gotcha.
Um, so one of our followers,harrison brock he he actually
made this photo sent it to usand I was he goes.
You should share the photo.
So that's what he's talkingabout in the chat.
Um, this is a recent video.
Uh, for those that don't getthe joke, what one?
There's a cop that lost hisabsolute mind from an acorn,
which I think everybody getsthat part.
But I posted a video recently.
I have no idea what agency itis.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Waterbury, connecticut.
Westbury Waters, something WSomething, bury Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay yeah, when the video got to us it had been
Jesus.
It had already been redone somany different times I didn't
get a chance to see, but Ithought that was clever.
Actually, I think I have thevideo pulled up.
We can jump to that one.
Let me see here, not that one.
What's that Good meme material?

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Oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, I've already dumped three of them out and
they've all done really well.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Let me share this one For those that aren't familiar
with this video.
Let me share what the insidejoke is here, so I'll give you a
little back story.
Apparently it's a burglar alarmof a home residential home and
they're out clearing the house.
So I'll just go from here Alarm.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Alarm.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm going to go in there is always right.
Holy shit.
Um.
So I listen.
I have been known to give copsa rough time when I think that
it's a clear training issue.
This was obviously a trainingissue.
That's multi-layered issuesthere.
Yeah, how are you that spun up?

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Here's another thing I turnlights on.
I don't know about everybodyelse, I'm a light guy.
I'm like, why am I trying touse my flashlight?
I'm a light guy.
That's another.
Why am I trying to?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
use my flashlight.
I'm a light guy.
That's another issue.
She's using her gun light as aprimary.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, so for you like , how would you?
When we're going into it?
You know I like this to beeducational for everybody.
So we get a house alarm.
How do you typically handle ahouse alarm?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I know it's been a while since you've swaddled it.
I mean I don't see anythingwrong with what they're doing.
I don't know their tactics.
If it's not pressing, wedeveloped from Orange County
Sheriff's Office a CQB procedurewhere that would, I guess,
would be pressing.
It's an active burlier arm soit would be two-man minimum.
We try to go three at minimum.
But I mean you can tell there'sno real semblance of order,
even in the mail officer thatthey're not close.

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There's a big disconnect of howclose they are.
They should be staying close.
They're breaching doorstogether.
There's all kinds of stuff thatshould be going on.
He's been in a staircase, she'sway behind him.
So you know I don't clearingthe house the way it is dark,
fine, but again, I wouldn't usemy gun light.
I Again I wouldn't use my gunlight.
I always carried the light onmy shoulder here, a cloud

(12:46):
defense light and then I had agun light and the gun light was
for identifying when I wasgetting ready to pull the
trigger.
This light is an admin lightthat I'm going to use to shine
at the mirror and look aroundcorners and stuff like that.
So nothing wrong with clearingit that way.
But there's a multitude ofissues that I personally don't
think she can be.
I don't think she can be a copanymore.
You, the first thing that comesto my head is target

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identification.
How can you ever testify sheever shoots anybody going
forward?
How can they say she has anyidea what is she shooting at?
Because she shot it herself,right, I mean, how do you?
You didn't identify that targetas you, so I don't know how you
go for it.
I don't.
I don't feel bad for her.
I mean I do.
I don't.
I'm a hater, but how do youcome back from that?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like yeah, I mean Banning, what do you got buddy
the whole video froze on me.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Uh, and you guys yeah .

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'll give you the rundown.
She's clearing, she starts towalk back downstairs and she
clears to her left as herpartner is going right.
She sees a mirror and shoots.
The mirror Shoots herself.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
All I get on that is target identification.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, that's the first thing.
I went to my wife's a bigfirearms instructor and teaches
all that stuff and you have topull the trigger at a target.
We don't do suppressive fire inthe police world, so there's no
like laying some rounds downrange to get a, you know, head
start even even in the marinecorps back in the 90s or 2000s.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
I mean it's targeted identification all day long.
Yeah, we were supposed to bejar heads on the front line.
You know, shooting that moves,I mean it's always targeted
identification.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I love our comment section freeman keys, show me a
sergeant next month.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
The comments were.
I posted it.
So I got.
I think I got it.
I'm not I'm saying I think Igot real early.
I got a dm from a guy.
I said, dude, you're not gonnabelieve this.
And uh, I said, can I share it?
He said, fuck it, somebody sentit to me and I put it up
immediately, not even a meme.
I'm just let me this thing outthere.
Yeah wild.
And then I went on my otherpage and made a joke meme about
it and then I posted two todaywith female mirror.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I want to help you get back to your glory days,
which I think we'll get youthere soon enough.
But let me, I'm going to shareCottville's page so you guys can
see his new page.
What's that?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's the two memes.
You got the female pointing agun in the mirror and then you
got the mirror with his hands up.
Yep, and that video right nextto it.
Yeah, copville at copville ogis my main page.
And then I have the uh, yeah,and you've also got.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh, that's me.
You don't want to see me.
That's not what I'm trying tofind where is the?

Speaker 8 (15:21):
other one.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I had both popped up here.
Um, give me a sec, I'm gonnafind it.
That's not what I'm trying tofind.
Where is the other one?
I had both popped up here.
Give me a sec.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm going to find it.
That's it.
Yeah, that's my podcast page.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
So let's get those numbers up.
Guys, everybody in the audience.
If you're looking, go there,give them a follow.
If it's for you, obviously.
If it's not your style, don'tfollow.
You'll fit everybody.
But yeah, um, you guys know me,I, I, I'm, I'm a part of
everybody's cool shit.
And uh, cotville puts out legitstuff.

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Cop, cotville gives me shitwhen I fuck up.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, we man, I still like the background I was uh
what's that somebody's sayingabout the background?
That was my idea was a jailcell oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
shotgun the tattoo.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
She's been with us for a while I bought I was on
amazon, I'm like what.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So I google.
All I did was google like jailbackground drawing, it's like a
j it's like the thing you'll goto jc pennies and get some
cheesy pictures taken with thatat, uh, you know, with your
family.
So I just, and then I'd put,install the lights.
The lights, I think, gives itthat little purple tint.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's pretty cool yeah, I like it, yeah, I've.
Uh, mine's much simpler thanthat.
I mean, we're trying to getbanning on board.
Banning needs a banning needs alot of things.
Banning needs a new camera.
Banning needs a mic.
You learn, you learn quick whatyou need, yeah, so, um, all

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right, let's, uh, let's, getmore into copville.
So, sir, what is coming downthe line?
You got your podcast.
Now what can people expect fromyour podcast?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
so what I'm trying to do is it'd be a little
different.
There's a lot of pod I'm notknocking it but there's a lot of
podcasts where it's a lot ofjust law enforcement.
Talk, tell me about your callsyou've been on.
You know the standard question.
I'm trying to be a littledifferent.
Since I started I've had twoguys that worked with me but one
of them was shot in the line ofduty.
Who has a lot of?
I brought in a fifth degreeblack or sixth degree black belt

(17:23):
BJJ instructor that trainedunder Carlson Gracie that
teaches law enforcement.
I had Dominic Izzo coming outtomorrow Controversial dude.
I had a deputy chief that gotshit canned from his agency,
second in charge and gets ranout of an agency and has like a
monster story about corruptionwithin the agency.
So I'm trying to bring a littlebit different and I'm going to
actually start getting intobringing the other side in.

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I have a former federal inmatethat's going to be coming up,
that did nine years in the feds,and then I have another guy
that's going to probably blowthe roof off everything that I
actually was involved in many ofhis investigations and he was
sentenced to like 20 years 25years in federal prison.
Biden commuted him, he got out,he started his own show.
Prison biden commuted him, hegot out, he started his own show

(18:06):
.
And, uh, we have been in theearly talks of some massive like
what he was doing and what wewere doing and how it kind of
coincides their version ofcounter surveillance, our
version of surveillance, and soI'm trying to be a little bit
different than just yourstandard.
You know, talk about calls andit's important.
It's important to talk aboutthat.
But yeah, bringing some youknow guys have been to prison
bringing some guys that can shedsome, yes, mind aspect on and

(18:29):
that.
That that is the benefit I have.
Obviously you can't have afederal prisoner in your studio,
um, wouldn't look good.
So for me, being not on the jobanymore, I have a little bit
more leeway.
And then counterculture is thethat we talked earlier is the
group of guys where we're tryingto.
You know, with Antihero andTyler and Reagan from Conduct
Unbecoming, justin from DonutShop, kenny Red, ninja,

(18:50):
guerrilla Warfare Tactics, we'rekind of coming in.
We're kind of putting thattogether as a counterculture,
like a different view of lawenforcement, where it's not just
always said politically correct, it's said how we believe it
should be said.
So that's what's right.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I like it.
Yeah, that's um.
Obviously we have to be alittle more measured, but we've
had, you know, I've had a guythat was wrongly convicted of
homicide, had another guy thatwas wrongly convicted um, just
in the crime and punishmentphase that they gave him in
generally did 26 years of a 52year sentence before he finally
got umated.
We try to have both sides ofthe house.

(19:26):
Yeah, we do the same thing.
You see the reels and shortsthat we'll put out quite a bit
trying to call out, you know, ifa cop is bad but we also like
to highlight when they do good.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So I just stayed away .
I'm getting to that.
I stayed away from it Causehere's one of my pet peeves with
the meme pages the guys thathide behind the name.
And I'm not knocking it if youdecide to be anonymous, but
don't spew your opinion and yourtake on things.
You should have to qualify yourbackground into the shootings.

(20:04):
I never got into the breakdownsbecause I didn't feel, as a
hidden page like I could be,anybody want behind that page.
I could be not even a cop, butI could make some cop memes and
say, hey, I got this take, I gotthat take.
So I went into it in the comedyarea of let's break, let's make
some people laugh, let's bringit down a little bit, let's be
funny.
And now that I'm out and I dohave a resume that I'm, I can
share and I don't think I'm amoron, I'm not.
I never claim to be greatestcop ever, but I've done some

(20:27):
things.
So now like kind of walkingthat, but I, you know, I want to
keep it more like in anentertainment facet versus just,
you know, constantly lawenforcement stuff yeah, no, I
get it, I get it for sure andit's, it's.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
It is a delicate balance because, like, when I
make, like I fuck up, like ithappens, yeah, you do, yeah, and
like, and I'm like, oh, fuck,like I, you know, with the one
that me and cotville weretalking about and, um, actually
I'll just pull it up because Ishared, I actually shared it on
the last live stream talkingabout how bad I fucked up well,

(21:00):
you own it though.
That's the difference well,yeah, yeah and that's you know.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
There's so many guys out there.
Once they put their opinion outonline, they'll die.
Many times they've been proven.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's your CQB, your CQB firearms guys.
They just stand there.
Their way is the only fuckingway, right.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, absolutely, I am.
Give me one second y'all.
I'm pulling it up right now andwe are on my page.
And what one was that one?
It was not that.
God.
I do post a lot of shit, don'tI?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's been about two weeks right Week and a half.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Has it been that long ?
Yeah, cause I talked about it.
Oh, here here.
No, last week.
Yeah, I found it.
Okay.
I talked to her last week.
Yeah, I found it.
Okay, I'm going to share screen, share screen, biggie Spice.
Oh, I can't Unmute, it was thisone.
I fucked Accidentally used thisfor Pew Pew instead of using a
taser.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
There's my comment.

Speaker 10 (22:02):
Oh shit, yeah, oh shit, I caught it.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh shit, Now watch what this idiot says.
I don't know the wholebackground of this story, but I
do know it was for a felony andthat this guy was resisting
arrest.
That's why they were wrestlingaround on the ground.
I want to give quick props tothat officer that did the
takedown.
It was a legit takedown, Goodtechnique.
You're typically pretty happywhen officers decide to go
hands-on versus going to thebatman belt if the situation

(22:28):
dictates that possibility, okay,we'll pause it from there,
because that's the worst one.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Those comments is right there, yeah mine's the top
one right there, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I had pinned it for a while because I again, I
like to be transparent.
So I was like, well, fuck, he'sright, let me pin this to the
top so everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I forgot to mention Tone Alert, another great group
of guys.
They're yelling at me in thecomments.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh are they.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, they're good dudes.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Tone Alert out of Las Vegas.
There they are.
We'll give them a shout out.
Tone Alert podcast.
What's up guys?
Thanks for joining the vegasshow.

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I'm not gonna mention them,okay.
Well, all right, go away, fucky'all.
Oh, too funny, um.
But yeah, uh, I, I screwed upon that one, I, and it's one of
those things I I edited.
This is not an excuse, althoughit sounds like an excuse.
I edited that one from my phoneand when I watched it, I
watched that thing and so I putit in slow motion for myself and
watch.
I'm like God damn, that's agood take.
That was quick, but uh, andthen afterwards you're like it's
not even the right.
The fucking cop got taken out.
I'm like what?
No, let me go back and look atthis shit.
I'm watching.

(23:34):
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm on the and I'll be honest with you, I'm on the
Fenton.
Now I get your argument thatshe shot her gun on accident,
but the result was actually Idon't know.
The result was wrong because ifyou know, you take, if you take
her taser, taser out of it, ifyour partner's getting curb
stomped like that and you run up, you have a right to shoot that
guy.
Oh, correct argument about itwas an accident.
That's obviously like themirror.
That's a problem.

(23:57):
Yeah, her action.
I don't know that.
It was a was justified.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it ended up being justified in court.
So I'm with you and that's the.
And that was my bad.
I had a shitty articulation andI watched it again.
I'm like, okay, yeah, he'sright.
I see what it looks like.
I'm saying that's not what Imeant, but you can't control it
once it's out there.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
You have already said what you want and I'll give you
, I'll give you props.
You could have just deleted itand act like it didn't happen,
but you engaged with all thecomments and you did own that.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You were wrong about massively fucked up.
It happens, man, I'm a fuckinghuman, I'm wrong, all the time?
yep, it fucking happens.
Uh, people in the comments,eric only screws up when he's
been drinking, that's not true?
Uh, I screw up a lot, so iswhat it is.
Uh, oh god, my mom's in thecomments.

(24:46):
And, oh boy, people are shell.
Eric won't help.
Don't talk to my mom.
I've never seen one of oneepisode of my stuff.
Oh, my mom, she has not misseda single one.
I got my.
My mom supports the shit out ofme.
I could be up here just talkingout of my ass and she would ask
my baby, because it could begood or bad.

(25:09):
Good or bad, she don't care,she will support me, but she'll
call me an ass.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
She'll be like you know that's wrong.
I love that you're out heredoing something, but you're a
dumbass.
She'll tell me for sure.
But, okay, where are we at?
We're?
Uh, how deep in are?
We're?
25 minutes in.
Um, we have a lot of videos, uh, tonight, guys.
So, uh, I want to jump intothat.
I want to go to we reallyhaven't gone to the comments and
we haven't had a discussiontopic today.

(25:36):
Um, is what it is.
So, first and foremost, I wantto go with, uh, our boyiel carr
from police law news.
Um, he put out a good videotoday, so I want to share this
one and we will watch ittogether.
Um, share, boom.
Okay, I want you guys and again, I apologize because it is on

(25:58):
instagram so I can't make itfull screen, but oh, I guess we
need volume.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Those guys got a warrant.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Sounds like the cops are going to let him go.
I'm sorry, man.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Thank you, man.
Yeah, be safe, I appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you.
If you need anything at all,yeah, you know how to.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
So now we got a different scene, 20 minutes.
I'm going to pause it, so I'vealready got the benefit of
watching.
Have you seen this one yet,copville?
No, I've watched.
Have you seen this one yet?
Copville?
No.
Bannon, did you see this one?
He's a little choppy All of asudden.
Steve has made me five shotsdown already.
We have a troll His name'sSteve.
Steve, I don't boot people.

(26:56):
Copville, I don't know if youknow this.
I, I'm a.
I'm a free speech type of guy,as long as you're not inciting
racism or violence.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think I only have 30.
I checked yesterday.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I had 13 people blocked on my out of almost 30
000 followers.
Yeah, just morons that don'thave a place.
But anybody else can saywhatever we want.
Yeah, so I, um, I let him stayon here, because he's really.
He just says the same thingover and over.
It's fine, as long as he's notmessing with people, um, but uh,
I have not watched this.
Uh, oh, trey is finally,finally on.
Let's get him up here.
Boom.
What up, trey?

Speaker 10 (27:30):
what's the deal, man ?
What's the deal?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
he's over there represent.
What is that?
210 or 510?

Speaker 10 (27:34):
that's 210 man 210 210.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, well, you're.
For whatever reason you'remirrored, let me fix you.
You, um, how do I fix it?
I can't, okay, I tried, um, ohno, eric's dodging the biggie
size phrase.
I, I can't say biggie size.

(27:57):
It doesn't change sizes on here, guys.
So, um, anyway, let's keepgoing.
So this is another scene.
This is the same dude.
They let him go, had a warrant,so the officers did him a solid
, didn't take him in on hiswarrant.
So kudos to the cops for biggerpicture sight.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
You've been here longer than I have.

Speaker 10 (28:13):
I understand we need to do something, john, I know
Okay.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
Because if you don't, then you need to turn around
for me, huh.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay.
So they're telling him he'sunder arrest.
He needs to turn around, puthis hands behind his back.
They have a warrant.
Basically, I think they'retired of coming out here and
having to deal with him, sothey're going to make good on
the warrant Banny you gotanything else on that.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
No, I don't have a problem with them doing that.
I mean, it looks like he'stying up a lot of resources
right now yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
And a lot of times cops and some of them won't
admit it.
We use the ambulance systembecause we are trying to avoid
taking a person to jail.
It's a waste of time.
They're going to go to jail.
They're going to get let outwithin less time than it takes
me to get the report done.
So that could be what's goingon here.
Let's keep watching.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
You have the warrant and they want you I want the
warrant.
Yes, that's mine.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Turn around.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Face her, her, look at her.
Can I spin around?

Speaker 10 (29:28):
Yes, go ahead and spin around.

Speaker 9 (29:29):
Go ahead and spin around 1636.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Two times.
Spin around John Three times.
Just make it easy for us.
Ok, just turn around.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
Look at her.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Four times.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Can you follow us 1630 to 1636.
Since you're the newest one,that's Mike.
I'm sorry, I just I got a goodreflection, I see.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Come on, yeah face her.

Speaker 9 (29:55):
Five times Six.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Seven.
Let me see you have.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Oh wait, hold on, Sir , hold on.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
We all in this together, all right, man, will
you get this one?
Hold on.
Oh wait, hold on, sir.
Hold on.
We all in this together, allright, hold on.
I don't listen.
I'm sorry.
I might get hurt, sir, we'renot going to hurt, you Turn
around and put your hands up.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Come on, man, there you go, john wait.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Got that itis.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Stand up, stand up I got you.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Ah, shit, I just.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm trying no 1636.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my legsno 1636.
I got him.
I'm sorry, sir, turn around no1636.
Pull the ice.
I'm sorry, do it do it?

(30:54):
Sorry, sir, turn around, turnaround, turn around, turn around
, turn around.
I'm sorry, do it Do it Sorry,sorry, sorry.
Sorry Sorry, sorry, sorry,sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,sorry, sorry Sorry, right there.

(31:31):
Give me this arm.
John, give me this arm.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Give me the arm.
John, still don't have his arm.
Hold that hold that.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
1636.
There you go.
He grabbed my fucking thigh.
He grabbed my fucking thigh andI'm pushing the fence.
There you go.
Give me your arm.
1636.
Give me your arm.
I got it, alright, alright.
1636.
Slippers I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.

(32:08):
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I got this one.
I Drop stone, drop stone.
1636.
Give me your arm.
I'm about to die.
He's not feeling anything.
Dude, I'm gonna give himanother strike.

(32:28):
Give me another strike.
No, give me your arm.
1636.
Give us, oh shit, give me yourarm.
I'm good.
Give me your arm.
1636.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
We're good John.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Give us your god damn arm, hold up your hand.
1636, we good, we good 1636,.
We good, I got his arm behindme.
Somebody grab it, sorry, no, no, no, I'm glad you grabbed it.
Help, 1636.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
I'm grabbing it, I'm on it.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
He's holding onto it.
He's all known to me.
He's all known to me.
I'm on his arm.
Come on, man, give me his hand.

Speaker 9 (33:07):
I'm on his arm.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Let's do that.
Sorry bro, I'm sorry bro.
You do have that warrant,though, so whenever you get on
the horse, that's the beginningof it, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yep, oh my God, oh my God, Okay, rookie Late boy.
What's the deal?
Man Always fucking late.

Speaker 10 (33:28):
Always late.
You know how it is.
You know how it is.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Traffic.
Son of a bitch, you probablylate for roll call every day.
Not every day so Trey, this isCopville, copville this is Trey,
trey is our three-year rookieout of California.
How's it going?

Speaker 10 (33:48):
Solid bro, solid, he's a rookie.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
He's a rookie, I agree.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I agree.
Three years, three years, oohman, five years is when you can
start calling yourself a copRight.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
I agree, I'll take that.
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
All right, rookie, tell us how you would have
handled this call.

Speaker 10 (34:05):
I probably would have just put hands on a lot
quicker, like you always want togive people a chance to give up
on their own and go with theprogram, but I don't know all
that back and forth so manytimes.
That shit is unnecessary.
And then I also I don't think.
I mean I'm not really a big fanof drive stun, but if you're

(34:26):
going to taste, just do it froma distance, I feel like, or do
it with the prong still in.
But um, also I'm not opposed topunching someone in that
situation, or I wouldn't saypunching, but striking someone.
Hell yeah, it's a better betterway of saying it, but better,
better ways.
But yeah, I would.
I would say do that, becauseyou're gonna taste something.

(34:47):
They stunned them like what?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
four times, three times, like a shitload, yeah,
people would say that's that's afour.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
Like people could definitely argue that, rather
than like one punch or onestrike to the face or to the
stomach, or a knee to thestomach let me clarify, let me
make sure I'm gonna get someclarification.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Are you telling me that when you try to de-escalate
too much, you end up using youend up using more force later?

Speaker 10 (35:11):
yes, absolutely, hell yeah, because then if you
were to handle business up front, yeah, if you give people too
much confidence, then you end uplosing using more force at the
end of it.
So once you know they're notgoing with the program.
Like once you know that, okay,this dude.
So once you know they're notgoing with the program Like once
you know that, okay, this dudeis, his mind is made up, he's
not going with the program ThenI don't know.
To me you got to go hands onright away.
There's no more like, oh, canyou, can you do this, can you do

(35:33):
this, bro, between a magazineand a clip.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh, here you go.
You messed up, that you messedup that one you said that shit
on a live stream one night.
Oh shit, I blame the youth andthe rap music.
You have to talk eric'slanguage.
Star wars trey is a wookiee.
Oh shit, that was for my mom.
That was a good one.
I give her credit.

Speaker 10 (36:07):
Dang moms is on me.
That's true, it ain't evennormally that funny.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
That was a good one, mom.
I give you credit on that one.
Not bad, that's a good dad jokeright there.

Speaker 10 (36:16):
That's cold, mom, that's cold.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
So all right, to let our guests go on this one.
What do you think, man?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I'm not a fan of the drive stone either.
The point of the taser is toincapacitate, to then move in
while they're under power andthen gain an advantage.
So I'm a zero fan of drives andI'm not saying it could never
be applicable, but the punch andthe drive center pretty much
the same thing.
They're pain right.
You have quite a few officersthere.
That's where some basic sidecontrol ground control, peeling

(36:45):
arms back, coordinating.
There were seven guys workingin seven different directions,
or however many different guyswere there.
I don't know how many therewere, but that was multiple cops
working as individuals insteadof working as a team.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
That was the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I saw Multiple commands coming from multiple
people.
I understand the stress kicksin.
You know, in swat we train thatthe one guy gives commands and
we're pretty well trained inthat.
But that's a bunch ofindependent contractors all
working separately and a simpletraining jiu jitsu training,
ground training would to meeliminate what we just saw or at

(37:20):
least speed up the process,because he really wasn't again.
That guy was not wanting to get, he wasn't fighting.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
He was resisting yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
just.
Imagine if he was.
He's a big dude.
Imagine if he decided to startthrowing punches and stand up
and start kicking and all that.
That would have been a disaster, like a disaster.

Speaker 10 (37:39):
Y'all got it too.
Y'all got it too.
That's racist to say thatthat's racist.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
You can't say that mr b is on a fucking roll tonight.
He did not like being silenced.
I accident, okay, cop bill.
I accidentally one of our liketop contributors.
I accidentally banned himtrying to block another dude.
Uh, it's the Steve guy that Iwas talking about.
I was trying to put Steve on atimeout.

(38:06):
I accidentally put Mr Billfoldon a timeout like a 24.

Speaker 10 (38:11):
Yeah, and now he's lit up what were you going to
say man, hey, kyle, what stateyou in bro?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Florida.
Oh, okay, okay, I went toOrlando on the beach, just like
an hour north of West Palm.

Speaker 10 (38:23):
Yeah, he said that earlier.
Oh, okay, okay, I would havehad Orlando on the beach, just
like an hour north of West Palm.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, he said that earlier.
Yeah, you were late.
Yeah, I was.
I had my whole resume off.
I told everybody how great Iwas and this whole thing, man.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, we're taking 10% out of that check
next week.
Disrespectful, yeah, no, all Iwas going to say.
Eric is 21 years, car carriedthe taser since the end of 2003.
Uh, never tasered anybody.
I just I prefer to to use bodymechanics and take some somebody
into custody and yeah, butcotville, do you know how big

(38:54):
this fucking gingerbeard?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
giant is easy when you're three bills right he's
talking about the guys that justlaid down scared and didn't
want you know he, he walked in,he is de-escalation like yeah,
right, yeah rumor has it that a,a, a fighting bull got loose in
north texas and they calledbanning to put it.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Put it back in its cage down and yeah yeah it was
my cousin.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I just don't get back in there yeah, sometimes
somebody wants to fight the bigguy, so I'm sure he's had oh,
that's let me tell you yeah yeah, did you ever watch the movie
dodgeball?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
yeah, okay, do you remember when the uh ben stiller
the picture of him taking thebulls by the horn?
Oh yeah, that was actually areal life story about banning
and patrol.
So just so you guys know.
Um, now, what I will add to theconversation is drive stuns.
As far in my career, anytime ithas been used a dry stun, it

(39:53):
always makes the suspect floparound and then what ends up
happening is the people that aretrying to hold on to them take
that for more resistance andthen they end up getting worked
even more.
I hate drive stun.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I do not like it at all, and then today, I don't
know if you guys know what thetrial started up in.
Uh, where was that michigan?
Yeah for sure the guy lost histaser.
So that's another thing.
Drive stun is going to causethat person to flail and move.
Then they knock the taser outof here and then they grab it
and then we kill them.
Yeah, I'm on the fence aboutthat one too.
I mean, that was a toughsituation that kid's in.
I got a message from one of hispartners today to share the

(40:29):
story.
The trial started and I hate tosee that from everybody's
standpoint in that one.
That's an unfortunate incident,but if that would have happened
, that guy gets a hold of ataser in that situation you may
hear gunshots after that and andit all goes back to they had
the numbers, they had the, theyhad them pinned in.
He wasn't actually fighting, hewas just resisting.

(40:50):
So that's a tough one yeah,yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Um, I don't have that video pulled up, but, uh, let's
go.
Um.
So yeah, that was uh just goingto the the audience on this one
just seeing what everybody'ssaying.
They don't seem to care.
They're having more fun with MrBill Folden talking about
everything.

Speaker 10 (41:10):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Do you all recommend taser or OC spray?
I will use a taser a lot morethan I will use OC, but I carry
my OC.
I know a lot of cops don't.
So for me personally I like it,but I'm the only one using it.
I don't want anybody I don'ttrust any of you fuckers to use
it.
So that's me.

(41:32):
I never use it once, Never,Never sprayed anybody.
I've never used my baton but Ihave used pepper spray.
I use my baton.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, I'm not going to say why I use my bat I can't, I
can't.
Well, I'm retired.
It went in some people's mouthsthat were even cracked early in
my career, oh shit they can'tchew the crack if the asp is in
their mouth.
God damn, I never.
We were getting away with thatin florida back in like 2003.
Four, five, six we were, wewere good with that damn well.

(42:00):
It talks about the culture ofpolicing and how it's changed,
and we actually went to thejudges and we're like, hey,
we're choking people with crackin their mouth to get it out,
and they're like it's tamperingwith evidence, you're saving
their life.
And there was a good windowthere for about five or six
years where they were actuallyprosecuting a felony charge
without even recovering the dope.
If we could testify that itappeared to be crack, that's all

(42:21):
the guys would do is just throwit in their mouth, come out of
the hood, chew it up.
When you got them pulled overright, I got really good at
swiping their mouth with thebusiness card so I could test it
.
Then I could verify it was withcobalt that it was actually
cracked.
It went in their mouth holy shit, I carry my business cards for
the people here and one of mylike one or two in each pocket.
So if I was fighting with a guyI could reach in my pocket,
just rub it across his face,damn.

Speaker 10 (42:44):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
That is Pretty good.
That was before my time.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I wasn't even a cop yet oh four, I worked with a guy
called Christian Matheson.
He was my partner.
He's a lieutenant still there.
He was the king of the.
Set him up for that crack inthe mouth.
I knew it was coming because hewould start getting them.
He was a shorter guy.
He was a shorter guy so we'dhave him come in the back of the
car.
He'd be like, come on back here, man.
He's like, well, lean upagainst the bumper to get him
lower.
And the next thing, you know,that hand came out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Pow right in there.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So let me ask you this Now looking back on your
career was all that worth it?
Yes, it was worth it.
Yeah, it was because at thattime I mean that time those
people were breaking ineverybody's shit, stealing
everybody's shit, and everybodysaid it was just drugs.
There's two arguments it's justdrugs, I care about drugs, I

(43:30):
care about DUIs, I care aboutyou know.
But man, when you show up to,some of the worst calls I had
were like I remember going to aHispanic dude, a lawn guy.
All he has in his life is hislawn business and his lawn
trailer is clean the out nolawnmower, no weed eater, no
backpack blower.
He's looking at me.
He's like sir, how am I goingto pay my bills?
Like I can't go to the storeand buy another one?

(43:51):
I can't.
So when you deal with enoughproperty crimes in that sad
manner where somebody's likelivelihood is completely gone.
Yeah, it's not robbery, they'renot, but it hurts to see people
and that's what we were getting, those crack that were buying
crack.
We're doing the most ungodlything Stealing their mom.

Speaker 10 (44:06):
No, motherfuckers steal anything.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, their mom comes , goes to the bank and the
fucking water bill bounces.
They got no electricity becausefucking sons smoking crack and
stealing a wallet.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
And so I took a look at that and we we we hit them
pretty hard, and so you, you, Idid back in the day, the guys
that were going into Walgreens,cvs, all the pharmacies and twos
and threes, once the federalgovernment finally said you can
only buy so much Sudafed.
Oh yeah, I had great pharmacistsall over the area that would

(44:38):
say, hey, here they come.
We'd have to develop our ownprobable cause beyond that.
But it was amazing they weremixing this stuff in the back
seat of a friggin station westopped many mobile meth labs oh
my god just it was horrible.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
That was before they got into the whole one pots too.
They were still doing it in theold way, the phosphorus.
And then they got into the onepot with lithium batteries, and
they were.
You had to be careful reachingaround soda bottles and stuff in
the woods, the homeless camps.
They would cook it in thefucking homeless camp and you
pick it up, remember they.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
I don't know if you probably got the warning on the
propane tanks.
You know if you had that bluecollar on there, it's like
fucking back off that.
They got the you know and getthe right people in there to
deal with that.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
The only thing I really didn't deal with was
heroin.
Down here it blew right over.
We never got like the Northeasthad the heroin up north.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
We didn't have the heroin down here.
I'm going to have to murder Tim.
It's like I'm going to haveEric's mom's number.
Jesus, oh, mom, don't be givingyour number out.
What's wrong with you?
Oh boy, she sent me a text.
Anyway, yeah, I just wascurious on what your thought was

(45:49):
.
You know, after having thecareer like I was a dope chaser
early in my career and, um, Ilike it was a lot of fun, and
then I was getting frequentflyers and I'm like what the
fuck is it?
Like I was actually consideringjoining narc and I was like
this would be fun and then I sawthe writing on the wall narc
wasn't what it used to be, whereyou could set up and go after.
You know now everything wasworked through confidential

(46:10):
informants and you just didn'tget to work NARC the way that,
the glory days, you know theeighties and nineties.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
But you're in a big area, what it did for me in a
moderate area.
We have 250,000 people in theand it's small enough that the
dope work led to many homicidecases being solved Because I had
so many informants and so manypeople that would tell me things
that I always considered and Itold my trainees that when I was
in FTO, like, fuck the dopecases up, ruin them, Get

(46:39):
suppressed, make the stop, crossthe gray area.
That's the training ground forthe residential burglary, the
homicide, the, the sexualbattery.
You don't want to fuck that oneup.
So right, make the mistakes inthe dope.
But the connections I made indope and the homicides I saw I
saw like four homicides fromdope informants that would call

(46:59):
and say, hey, man, I know thisguy did this.
This is how I know and that'swhere chasing the dope around
kind of benefit.
In a big place like you, I canunderstand.
Where it's just so many people,you wouldn't be able to develop
that many informants andthere's I mean, you guys are
massive.
So yeah a smaller area like me,it really, I mean, I still pick,
they still people still call me.
I'm done, man, If you want tobe on the podcast.

(47:19):
I'll bring you in man, yeah,I'm about to search you in the
driveway.
We have to leave all your deals.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, don't take offense to this, but turn around
and put your hands on the car.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
There's no Fourth Amendment in this fucking house.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I can do whatever I want.
Yeah, trey, you get your micissues fixed.
Are she's fixed?
Are you still muting?

Speaker 10 (47:42):
and unmuting.
No, I got the fan going, so Idon't know if you can hear that
or not.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
That's why I'm no, you're good uh, actually, yeah,
hold on my problem now is abackwards hat man.
And then now you're good, yeah,you gotta flip it inside out,
turn it over oh yeah, why yougot my shit like that, eric,
come on it's not me, there yougo you good, I fixed it.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Uh, no, no, no, put it back.
Yeah, yeah, that was that's.
That's actually you.
You didn't fix your videosettings when you got in.

Speaker 10 (48:06):
Nah, nah, nah, that ain't me bro.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Had you showed up on time.
Nobody else has that problem.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I think the email said get in early to go over the
technical issues.
Yeah right.

Speaker 10 (48:15):
I didn't see that email.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
He's a regular man, you know what happens?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, they get comfortable.
Typical rookie.
Oh, he's a regular man, he canyou know what happens.
Yeah, yeah, they getcomfortable.
Typical rookie, typical rookie.
You know he's like man.
I done seen it all.
I can write all the reports,big sarge, I promise yeah, I'm
gonna be a lieutenant man, right?

Speaker 10 (48:35):
I'm actually I'm actually a pretty humble new cop
, bro, like I'll be.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I'll be chilling, man he like look, despite my
arrogance, I just want to sayI'm humble and I am also.
I can talk my shit on here.

Speaker 10 (48:49):
I can talk shit on here, did you guys see?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
my post the other day about the Tampa assistant chief
with the magazines.

Speaker 10 (48:54):
That is insane Upside down.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Upside down.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Right, how about that ?
I said well, those aregravity-fed mag holders, that's
what that was fed.
Uh, mag holders, that's whatthat was out of touch our people
that's.
That's gravity fed mag holders.
So for those listening, youguys wondering what we're
talking about, is this chief?
Was it a chief?
It was an assistant chief.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
I think it was a chief yes, yes or yes, yeah
assistant chief.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
She had her her gun belt on with her magazine, pouch
upside down and then got photosthey got photos taken in at
some event.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
They put them up and, ironically, that one was taken
down.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
And these are going to be the people that are in
charge of making decisions aboutyour future and your career.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I was also told.
She authored a pretty uglyemail about the 30 by 30 stuff
and kind of pissed a lot ofpeople off about when Trump got
an assassination attempt, oh myGod.
She wrote an email about womenand the attack on women and it
didn't go over wells over thereeither admittedly I had to.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I actually text iso.
I was like dude.
I keep seeing people say 30 by30 in these comments.

Speaker 10 (49:56):
What the fuck does that mean?
Yeah, I didn't understand thatshit at first.
I think what I think?
I think it was you that postedthe cop deal when I seen it 30%
women.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
We're at 14%.
So their initiative is to putan anytime, and I'm not against
them, it's so swaying me, butI'm not against women in law
enforcement, so don't take itlike that.
But anytime, any statistic,yeah, try to make a statistic
work.
Right For the purpose of makinga number work.

Speaker 10 (50:21):
Yeah, that shit never works.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
work, I said, I want to hire 100 new cops tomorrow,
we're going to hire 100.
There ain't no way 100 of themare going to be qualified
candidates.
So when you start to put anumber on things statistically,
you have 14% women right now,all 14% squared away, because
100% of the men are not squaredaway either.
So now you have 14%.

(50:42):
You're trying to get another16%.
By 2030, which is five yearsfrom now, you're going to double
the women workforce in lawenforcement and I can't say that
you can.
I don't think it'sstatistically possible to put
16% more all qualified Some aregoing to be flunked out.
Some are going to not pass, soyou're not going to be able to
pull that off.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
People will disagree with me, but I'm very happy that
DOD has reset the standards foracross the line.
Yeah, they can't talk aboutspecial forces and infantry
pilots.
You got to make that.
There's a reason that line isthere and it doesn't matter if
you're male or female, becausethere's a lot of dudes that are
frigging punks that can't.
They can't get to that standard.
They knew what it was beforethey even tried and they're
going to get to try to get awaiver on something.
I'm sorry, the waiver equalsdead bodies, and the same is

(51:32):
going to absolutely translatewhen it comes to municipalities
and here in our freaking amazingcountry.
So, freaking, just make thestandards equal.
You know, if you want to pushyour ass and make those
standards, you're going to beable to freaking do it.
Don't sit there and oh, I'mthis or I'm that.
So it can't be this Well, bynature obviously men are
stronger.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I'm not being in any way.
Men are stronger, men are bigger, so the number of females that
would be able to compete at thesame standard is going to be
proportionally lower.
If they can pass it, then alsobe it like.
I'm not against women in lawenforcement, but there can't be
two standards and there can't beespecially, and then you get in
the military.
Forget it.
You can't have people overseastaking bullets.

(52:13):
It just can't be that way.
I'm not not trying to be nasty,I'm not a sexist.
My wife is a female cop.
I'm not trying to be that way.
It just makes sense that youyou can't have a statistic and
do it just for that reason.
Here's another step.
Florida pissed me off.
They went to an all-women'sleadership academy, which to me

(52:33):
is like separation.
You're segregating again.
Why are we pulling things apart?
If you want to lead, you'regoing to have to lead men and
women.
So why is there a women's onlyleadership academy now in
florida?
It didn't make sense to me whenI saw that first academy go
through.
Like what it?
I don't get it.
I just get it.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
There's a huge problem in leadership training
in in general in policing,because I'm military and in
banning's military um, I was 11,bravo your military.
So you understand.
It's day one.
Leadership training starts dayone.
You are supposed to fill thejob of the guy that falls in
front of you that's ahead of you.
You need to know how to do thejob and it is just ingrained in

(53:14):
you culturally, in the military,that leadership training is is.
It is the military that I don'tknow another way to put it.
There's cause there isn't aleadership course until you get
way up, and that is for massiveamounts of people.
But Leadership Training 101starts day one of boot camp and

(53:34):
it continues throughout yourcareer.
In the police world you don'teven really start getting any
leadership training and this isgeneralized throughout most
departments until you've reacheda supervisor status.
If you're getting leadershiptraining, when you become a
supervisor it's too late, you'rebehind the curve.
And we, the training we'regetting is so antiquated it's

(53:58):
like it's asinine.
And then you wonder why we havesuch trouble in policing with
these shitty ass leaders.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
It goes back to my statement about the fucking
email signature.
Man, that huge email signaturedoesn't mean anything.
You learn.
I hate it.
There are leadership classesthat will benefit.
I'm not knocking all of them,but it's paramilitary and I
don't think very much so.
But in that area you are rightyou learn leadership by doing
the job.
You don't learn leadership bygetting promoted and then being

(54:26):
in charge of people and thenfailing that shit, I mean, you
learn leadership by.
If you went to the agency rightnow any agency and you got a
group of regular dudes together,I guarantee their command staff
would be 100% most likelydifferent than the command staff
that's in place, or very, verydifferent.
Because if they were pickingbased on performance and the
ability to do the job and theability to lead their, their

(54:49):
command staff would look fardifferent than the one in place.
Because that's just acontinuous roll down of the good
old boys that their buddies getpromoted, and it's not all the
way across the board but it'spretty prevalent.
That's what happens with anagent.
I don't know how it is in a bigagency, but in a small one it's
.
It's bad.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, um larger agency.
I don't think it's as prevalent, but um as far as it's like a
mild version of that.
Yeah, it happens more inspecialized units and for those
listening and trying to figureout, we're talking about good
old boy system.
In a major city like where I'mat, you can't just pick your

(55:26):
favorites.
There's steps in place becauseof the way the city runs it that
don't allow for that.
But when you get to thesespecialized units they figure
out ways to circumvent that toget who they want in their
specialized unit.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I do hear a lot more specialized unit jokes from the
larger and I never reallythought about it that way.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Because in our agency it's, it's, it's.
The command staff is all, it'sall them, they're all in the
circle.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, yeah, and and and, ultimately the.
The command staff can like inthe bigger cities, like where
I'm at, they can mess with apick.
So let's say they have theirhiring process to like me.
Let's say I wanted, I want togo to SWAT.
They're like all right, we havean interview process and we
have a physical requirementprocess.
So you go through the physicalrequirement part.

(56:14):
There's nothing they can do toargue your score on that,
because that's done by the SWATteam.
They evaluate it.
Here's where you scored.
Um, now the SWAT team can favorthat score towards the person
that they want the most.
So there can be a little bit offuckery in that.
However, they can have theirtop guy.
They can go through theirinterview process and have a

(56:37):
high score for somebody and thenit gets up to the command staff
level where they review yourpicks and they're like we want
your number three pick, that'swho you're going to pick, and
they take it right out of yourhands.
So that is some of the bullshitthat can happen, especially if
you're pressing for numbers.
If me and Banning go against afemale for a SWAT position and

(56:57):
they're like well, the SWATofficer, the third one down, is
a female and she looks good,good enough, we want her.
Instead.
We just had a female getpromoted.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It's just insane.
I'm not going to go crazy aboutit because I'm trying not to
talk shit about people, but it'spretty bad in the small
agencies how they justify things.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah, banning, banning.
I don't know if you want totake Houston's comment there.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Oh yeah, no, it's absolutely 100% accurate.
You want to take Houston'scomment there?
Oh yeah, no, it's absolutely100% accurate.
You know you try to.
When I consider leadership,it's even the officers, the
slick sleeves.
You have to have leadershipwithin those ranks and we would
have our leadership problem atthat certain agency was getting
so bad we'd have to go andidentify it with each officer

(57:46):
and get their needs taken careof, and this and that because of
that leadership.
Eventually that leader was goneand then people kind of
dispersed and left.
But that can happen in bigdepartments and small
departments If you don't haveyour leadership all on the same
level and then people trying tocircumvent and jump around.
I understand an open-doorpolicy and everything, but we've
got to have the right leadersin place to be able to do that

(58:07):
stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I was a common sense and that doesn't exist.
I got promoted to sergeant.
I went to patrol for about ninemonths and then they called me
to take over a new street crimesunit and I knew I didn't want
to do it.
But I got called from thesheriff directly and I'm like
I'm not going to tell the bossno you can't tell the boss.
No, it was back underinvestigations and I sat for the
first time in a round tableMonday morning, higher up

(58:32):
meeting, and I thought I was ona fucking other planet.
I'm listening to these ideasand these things coming out of
these people lieutenants' mouthsand I'm like everything you
could think was the most wronganswer was what they were saying
and I'm just like, did I wakeup in another dimension?
Like how is this common sensestuff so difficult?
And I immediately knew it wasgonna be a problem that that I

(58:53):
was in that room because Icouldn't keep my mouth shut,
like they wanted to put.
I had two guys underneath me.
One runs a canine dog uh,non-bite sniff dog and one's a
hard charge and swag guy.
We're warrants unit.
They wanted to put them on callfor general crimes and homicide
.
I'm like these guys have neverinvestigated that type of crime.
We're on numbers.
We need bodies, we need more.

(59:14):
So I'm like you need a warmbody.
So you're going to send a dudethat's never investigated even a
burglary, and on theinvestigation side to a dead
person call and let that happen.
Oh, I'm like bro like whatfucking plan?
Like that's what I walked into.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Okay, now I understand the trey, your mic's
giving feedback again.
Um, I understand the dumbassery of the comment I'm about
to give, but bear, just stickwith me and you'll see the
wisdom in what I'm saying.
Blue blood Bloods okay, copshow.
One of my favorite things thatthis show did was they took a I

(59:51):
believe it was a street sergeantor lieutenant, one of the two
and they made him an admin spotup with the chief.
Okay, I think that that shouldbe a regular six-month or let's
say, annual rotation where thereis a person from patrol,

(01:00:12):
whether that's a sergeant or alieutenant.
I prefer a sergeant.
I think they have the heartbeata little bit better, but that
should be an advisor to thechief and their counsel, or
whatever they want.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
I think that's an excellent idea.
The whole problem I think thateverybody on this panel will
agree is is, once you reach acertain level, depending on the
size of agency, you get sodisconnected of what's actually
going on on the street and thenthings come to you in paper form
only and you're there to ruleon somebody's career and you

(01:00:46):
have no freaking clue on what'sgoing on there, and I have a big
problem with that.
Uh, no matter what level that Igot to within agencies, I
always love popping out andshowing up at two o'clock in the
morning, going 10 am on theradio and, you know, just
getting texts.
Why are you out here, sir?
Why you've got to stay in tuneof what's going on period.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
One of our deputy chiefs walks around bragging
that he has not worked patrolsince 1993.
He's a deputy chief in chargeof law enforcement on the patrol
side 1993.
October 3rd Black Hawk.
Down happened in 1993.
That was what I was dealingwith in use of forces and

(01:01:31):
pursuits and I'm looking at thisguy and he's a reasonable
supervisor.
They're supposed to know what'sgoing on in the street.
I don't even think PPCT cameout Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, sorry, but.
I mean 1993.
, he's still there.
He's still there, still therethat he's still there, he's
still there.
Still there, he's still there.
Oh my god, deputy chief of lawenforcement.
See, and that's part of myissue with people that are
judging, you know, reviewing useof force, things on body cam,
and I'm like have you ever worna body cam in patrol?

(01:02:02):
Do you understand the dynamicsbehind it?
Um, for those listening, ifyou're ever wondering, with body
cams they're not running 24 7,they can't, they physically
don't even have the ability todo it.
Um, but sometimes, like whereI'm at in the entertainment
district, shit happens in frontof you and you got to remember
to turn that thing on becauseyou didn't get dispatched to a

(01:02:23):
call.
Where I'm at, if get dispatched,the camera has to get turned on
once you accept that dispatchedcall.
So you're like oh, I got a callover here, cool, accept, boop,
boop, turn your camera on.
You drive to that scene.
Well, where I'm at, you're onfoot most of the time and shit's
happening all around you.
And the next thing, you know,no, there's a big fight that
breaks out.
Well, no one's ever trained youto turn that camera on during a

(01:02:47):
dynamic situation that happensin front of you.
But these people that are incharge of you will be the first
to judge Now.
Luckily, where I'm at, theyhave never held that against any
officer that I've seen.
They understood, but if that isan issue, I mean that's
something to consider at some ofthese other agencies.
And what did that say?

(01:03:07):
Stop turning them on.

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
We're not turning them on you know how people want
body cams on all day, whichthat shit will never happen bro.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Body cams aren't even long.
I hate to tell you this, butthey're on all day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
They are the new ones , absolutely the new ones are
Alan just went to the Axonconference, so let him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Let him, let him talk here, okay so they just signed
an agreement with safari landthat every holster will now have
a uh switch in it.
They are also building it forall the mag pouches and all of
the handcuff pouches and soeverything it the second you

(01:03:46):
touch anything on your utilitybelt it'll turn on, okay, I mean
, I'm not against it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
A lot of agencies already have that for the gun,
though, Like the moment you pullyour gun out your camera out of
base yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
We've got that, your taser.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
If your taser turns on, if the door opens to your
patrol car, Proximity to all theother body cameras if you're
within so many yards of it.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
I don't like that though.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
That is something new .

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
Yeah, I hadn't heard about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
See, we've got the proximity thing already.
We've had that for years.
If my camera's on and you walkup to the scene and you're
within so many feet, it'll turnyour camera on as well.
I'm very against muting cameras.
I don't think you should bemuting your camera ever.
If you have a redaction teamthat's what they're for Let them
mute the shit that needs to bemuted.

(01:04:37):
I got enough shit to worryabout.
I'm not muting my stuff,unmuting it, muting it, unmuting
it, doing all that shit.
If you got tactical stuff totalk about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
We'll fucking talk about it and then let the
redaction team redact whateverit needs to be done, but I don't
think we should be muting it.
That's an added piece that willgo into.
The new piece is the redactionpart that it will automatically
start doing some of that inevidencecom, the higher ups will
decide what kind of things getdeducted, and so it'll
automatically start swiftingthrough that.
Is that a word deducted?
Sure, we're gonna go with alittle bit of that vodka stuff

(01:05:17):
in the tea tonight.
Oh okay, you're not drinkingyour zimas like normal.
No, no, I I got out the goodtea.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
I got one of those Zima buttons laying around
somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Don't get my team over here fired up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I sit with Alan, we'll get all up on us.
I only drank Zima when.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I was in high school.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Hey, you can't hate everybody.
I'm not hating, I'm just sayingand then the coolest thing that
I think really is a safetything.
So you'll be able to hit theside of your body camera and it
will translate for you.
So if you hit it, somebody'stalking a different language up
to 50 different languages and itwill tell you what they're

(01:06:01):
saying, and then you can do itthe other way and it will
translate it back for them.
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Pretty soon.
We're it back for them, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Pretty soon.
We're going to be robots.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yep, I'm answering Freeman Keyes.
Yes, where I'm at currently wecan mute, but it's very limited
when you can.
But again, I don't agree withit, but I'm not, I'm on the
fence.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I know when I would pull informants aside, I would
mute and that was strictlynon-criminal.
That was completely.
But I can see the argument onboth sides.
It can't be redacted.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I get that as well, but then it comes down to if I
have a team, that's their job,is the redaction stuff or
dedaction in Alan's case.
If they're out there dedacting,then the responsibility falls
on them.
Like I'm not going to put that,we've got enough
responsibilities.
Jesus Christ, how many fuckinghats do we got to wear as cops?

(01:06:55):
I'm not wearing another one.
I'm not being the didactionteam.
Let them do that shit.
I think ours are writing thereports now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
They're dictating and writing reports.
Yeah, what?
There's a couple spots that arenow they're dictating and
writing reports.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
There's a couple spots that are doing that Yours
doesn't do that now, eric, itwill automatically write your
report, the.

Speaker 10 (01:07:14):
Axon what it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Axon report writing.
We don't have that.
We've got another reportwriting system.
You probably have it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
You just don't, I don't know I'm gone, just don't
like it's not.
Yeah, I don't know I'm gone nowDon't pay enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I don't ask my wife those questions, but I know when
I was leaving they were justgetting into the people T&E and
the writing software.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I mean, I know it existed.
I thought you had to have likewhatever accent on its report
writing system started.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
We called him in on a phone.
No, we called him in.
No, we had a.
We had a card.
It was called care and wecalled in on our phone and we
sat there and said case numberblah, blah, blah and we talked
the whole card and then dictatedthe entire report from your
head into the phone, then hungup and then some lady typed it
for you we had a dick bird.

Speaker 10 (01:08:01):
That's a fred flintstone joke, if any it was
weird too, because you'd fuck up, can't imagine that man.
That's so much different.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It was weird too, because you'd fuck up and you'd
say something and you'd have tohit the button to rewind, like
the old Mantra Machine days, andthen stop it and then talk over
it Wild.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Uh-oh, oh, deadlight got an account.
Look at that.
Shout out to Harrison Brock.
He threw out some accounts forus Guys again.
Anytime people buy thesememberships, these super
stickers, all that stuff, youare directly helping the podcast
.
None of that money goes intoour pocket, it goes right back
into the show.
So thank you for doing that.
We very much appreciate it.

(01:08:38):
Andy Fletcher got one another,one of our regulars.
Congrats to you guys.
Mr Billfold said I raised twosons.
We sit to pee in the house.
Damn it.
When my oldest said that, kidsat school said he pees like a
girl, I told them that thosekids poop like a girl.
Somebody get him.

(01:08:59):
Somebody come get this kid.
Mr Billfold is out of controltonight.
Take a drink.
Marine blood left out again.
Yep, that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Man that's got to be in his freaking settings, man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, it has to be.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
Something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, for sure, yeah.
And again shout out to HarrisonBrock for helping us out.
I know he's always trying togift other people memberships,
but appreciate that.
Let's get to another video.
We are, we're behind on videos.
Let's see here.
Let's share the screen we justhave.

(01:09:35):
We've been having some goodconversation going on tonight.
You got Jerry Worms in the chatthere.
Jerry Worms, the man.
Oh yeah, hell yeah, let me.
I'm going to reload this.
This is today's Shout out toJerry Worms.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Stop or I'll shoot you in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
What's the back story on that, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
That's what he yelled on cops 1989, broward County.
He got in a foot pursuit and heyelled stop or I'll shoot you
in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Did he really Okay, I don't know that story.
Go to stop or I'll shoot you inthe back.
Did he really okay?
I don't know that story episode.
Go to episode one cops.
Yeah, no shit, so damn, I can't.
Okay, my dad was on cops, justso you guys know not as a bad
guy, just putting that out there.
That's as much as I can say,jerry is my first guest.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
If you go and watch the podcast, we come no shit,
the story is unreal.
He he had a whole life beforecops.
He didn't become a cop till hewas like 30, and he grew up with
John Travolta.
Bro, he had to have worked withmy dad, Broward County.
He started in 89 or 90, at 89.
Okay never mind 88 maybe, andthen he worked, did the whole
career there.
Then he went to Coral Springsas a SRO for a few more years

(01:10:42):
and now he's retired up inTennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
We'll have to get him on the show as well he's great.
Oh, absolutely, jerry, wouldlove to have you buddy.
Uh, banning was an FTO onNoah's Ark.
Now he's.
Now he's, he's going for dadjokes, make sure all the animals
are there and in line.
Right, all right, let's watchanother video video.

(01:11:05):
Oh, this was the one I didtoday.
I will.
I'll just let it go dealingwith a complaint of people
fishing off of a dock.
You got maybe 30 guard, don'treally know great in the water.
The way he's creating this guylooks like it's a kid.

(01:11:29):
Okay, so we don't need tolisten to me, but so what you
saw there is somebody pointedout it might be a train track.
Again, it was just a video thatwas sent in to us and said what
do you think about this cop onthe dock?
And I said, well, let me take alook.
So he threw the fishing pole inthe water.
Yeah, he broke it in us andsaid what do you think about
this cop on the dock?
And I said, well, let me take alook.
So, um, he threw the fishingpole in the water.

(01:11:49):
Yeah, he broke it in half andthen threw it in the fucking
water like I'm like, what afucking asshole as a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
That's okay 20 years ago is okay to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That's not okay now as a guy who fishes and knows
how expensive them fuckers getlike, and he threw the whole
thing in.
So it was the pole and the reel.
Now you can have a cheap asspole but a really good reel and
you got a pretty good rig goingon.
So the fact that he did thatlike again, it doesn't matter.
He could and somebody tried topoint out in the comments.

(01:12:17):
You know well, we don't knowwhat happened beforehand yeah,
there's no reason.
I mean how the fuck does thatmatter?
Yeah, that's tough.
In no world is it okay?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
there was a world before the phone camera and body
camera.
That still makes it perfectlyokay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
It's still wrong I know it's still like, I don't
care what I get it.
There was an old school way andit wasn't.
It was accepted by society.
You're right, times havechanged and it societally.
Back then they'd be like, well,you knew you weren't supposed
to be fishing like.
That may have been the mindsetback then, but today, you know,
and me looking at it, I'm likewhat the fuck that dude needs to

(01:12:55):
be?
Shit can, and if that's a cop,he needs to be charged, like you
, just fucking you.
Not only okay, let's look atthe big picture one he's fishing
, he's not out dealing dope,he's not going through
somebody's car, he's not pullingup some endangered fish and
kept it.
None of that is what happenedhere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I don't even think if he's pulling up an endangered
fish.
At that point the fish iscaught.
You're right.
Well, maybe he could survive.
I'd say it's acceptable, but ofcourse that's not.
I mean again, again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
That brings in the character like the girl shoot in
the mirror, like if that guyacts like that over a couple
kids fishing, how do you handlea?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
high stress situation .
Right right, alan, you gotsomething that's against the law
.
Actually in texas you can'tinterrupt somebody from fishing
and prevent them from uh,sporting and carry a gun too
right yeah, really carry a gunin texas oh yeah, you can carry
a gun everywhere here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Florida and Texas got a lot in common.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Yeah, you can't interrupt somebody in the act of
fishing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Even the cops.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Yeah, you will, but it sounds like he needs to go to
jail.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
And then you threw it in the water.
Now you polluted.
That's what makes me know thatwasn't a DNR officer or a fish
and wildlife.
In Michigan we call them DNR,department of Natural Resources.
But that was not a DNR or afish and wildlife officer,
because they wouldn't havethrown it in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
That was a dude.
Chipotle was getting cold inthe car and he was taking calls
and he wanted to get back to it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Yeah, yeah, that guy probably would have went home
with his fishing rod broken andhis wife would be calling.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah, steve Wallace said aggravated assault, strong
armed robbery, destruction ofproperty, littering Question
mark.
Yeah, all of it.
All of it was bullshit.
And again, that dude for sureneeded some tender, loving care.
Scott Davis, oh, we got aFacebook comment.
That doesn't happen very often.
I swear to follow only myfeelings and my laws.

(01:14:49):
I am not going to follow theconstitution of the united
states.
I will abuse my powers and Iwill abuse the rights of the
people everywhere.
Opportunity in qualifiedimmunity, heavy jail time, green
mile and life sentence for badcops okay, we gotta get that
qualified immunity one up man?
Yeah, we do.
We're trying.
We're trying to do a very wellthought out qualified immunity

(01:15:13):
podcast or live stream where wehave somebody that's really good
and articulate for reasons notto have qualified immunity, and
then we have Von Kleem, who'slike number two of For Science.
He's going to do the why wehave qualified him you know why
we should and going to try tomoderate and do all that stuff,
because that seems to be likethe top hot button topic for

(01:15:34):
just about on both sides.
I don't know where your stanceis.
Mine is it needs to be tweaked,but not getting gotten rid of.
There's some people that wantto.
What's that you can't get ridof?
There's some people that wantto what's that you can't get rid
of it?
But Right, I don't think youshould get rid of it.
I think it's just like thedefund, the cops movement.
If you get rid of it completely, you're going to lose a bunch
of cops and you're not going toget the people you want.

(01:15:56):
It's just going to cause thisdownward spiral effect.
That's how.

Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
I see it, it doesn can handle it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Yeah, we'll press on.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
Definitely 100%.
Cover it guys, I promise youyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Mr Bill, I'm going to debate Von Kleem.

Speaker 6 (01:16:13):
Did you spell that right?
Did you spell that right, MrBill?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
The monkey wants back in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Well, he left Fuck him Shouldn't have been leaving
with his busted-ass shit-ass micwith his fan in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Let that guy in here with that little thing set up.
Man, I know, get him amicrophone and a backdrop, man.

Speaker 10 (01:16:36):
Right, he's got a nice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yeah, you gotta get it, man.
He's got a good camera, he'sgot.

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
A1 quality.
He's got a thing here, man.
He's got a good camera, he'sgot a good quality.
He's got a thing here, man Awhack-ass mic.
I'm going to look good,regardless though camera or not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Oh geez, Look, he got his camera at an up angle from
underneath him because he didn'twant his bill to shadow his
face.
Am I right?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I use the camera, I use it to block my face.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I'm good Right Now.
I am drunk, danny hey.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Mr Bill, I'm still waiting for a contact through
LinkedIn.
Brother, Send me something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
He said this Steve Ladner drinking game is making
me grab my ankle.
Oh shit, all right, let's,let's keep going, let's see.
Oh, neva said it needs to becodified.
One state did get rid of it,though, and the cops quit,
breaking the law.

(01:17:33):
That's not true.
That's not true.
Colorado tried, new York tried,and it's not the whole state.
It was a city, and it doesn'tmatter that they tried to get
rid of it, because, at the endof the day, it's a Supreme Court
case ruling.
They doesn't matter that theytried to get rid of it, because,
at the end of the day, it's asupreme court case ruling.
They can get rid of it all theywant.
It was the city council in newyork that tried to get rid of it
.
Yes, they technically got ridof it in the city of new york,

(01:17:55):
but at the end of the day, whenit goes up to the appeals and
and if it even makes it pastthat, once it gets to the
supreme court, they're gonna gooh, what's the supreme Court
precedence?
And they're going to say, oh,they already have qualified
immunity.
You don't get to get rid of itjust because your city says you
get rid of it.
It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 10 (01:18:15):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
I know y'all say you don't want to talk about it, but
you can't do the job without it.

Speaker 10 (01:18:20):
That's like telling football players all the NFL
guys you hurt somebody, thenyou're liable for that.
It all the NFL guys you hurtsomebody, then you're liable for
that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
It's part of the game .
Let's go to the next video.
We already did that one.
We'll do this one real quick.
I learned later on, and I'mcurious, what Kotville's idea is
about the First Amendmentauditor stuff.
This is actually a good one.

(01:18:48):
So let's see here share boombuilding right.
So who these documents?
Who?

Speaker 9 (01:18:55):
grabbed you from the shelter, our staff, so these are
the documents.
You were better than the shelfright.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I was taking pictures of the books.

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
You told our staff that you were looking for
something he has to provide uswhat story he's writing?

Speaker 9 (01:19:13):
What is he doing on the ground?

Speaker 10 (01:19:14):
We only ask him Just like.

Speaker 9 (01:19:15):
He asks us for information, we're allowed to
ask him for information.
This is the way it works, okay,unfortunately.
If it's open to the public andhis eyes can see, he can record
what his eyes can see.
If open to the public and hiseyes can see, he can record
whatever his eyes can see.
If it's something that is topsecret, it has to be behind
closed doors, locked andrestricted.
But if it's open to the publicwhich this is all open to the
public if your employees don'twanna be on film, you're gonna

(01:19:37):
have to get up and walk away.
We can't tell him he can'trecord.
We just can't do that.
If this is open to the public,then he can record.
If it's not open to the public,then he can't record either.
You get what I'm saying.
That's just the law and wecan't enforce policy.
That right, there is a policy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
We don't enforce policy.
Here's a fantastic All right,and let's stop sharing.
So that I found out later Ithink that was Long Island
Auditor, who's real popular,famous, and I think overall I
think he does a good job,especially trying to expose gaps
in police training, and he alsoeducates.

(01:20:20):
He talks about what the exactlaws are and stuff like that.
So I learned that this wasactually an old video.
I've never seen it, so I sharedit.
But what's your thoughts on theFirst Amendment, auditors?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I have no problem with it.
I was actually on a video onYouTube that gained pretty good
attention at our tax collector'soffice where the first deputy
threatened to arrest them and abunch of crazy stuff and the
sheriff called me directly andsaid can you go over here and
figure this out?
And I got there and it was verysimilar.
Like they were recording, theyhad every right to record and

(01:20:50):
the actual elected tax collectorwas trying.
I wanted them arrested and I'mlike you can't do that and I
find it just like any otherprovoking situation.
If you just talk to them normaland they don't get the rise out
of you, they go away likethey're.
They're.
It's kind of juvenile to me whatthey're doing, but it's also
very educational.
If cops just paid attention,it's a good learning experience

(01:21:12):
to watch it and learn from it.
They're doing something to getviews.
They're doing something to getfollowing.
They're probably making money.
Their youtube channel makesmoney.
If you just go there and actlike a human being and treat
them like a human being, it'sgoing to be a very minimal
contact.
That's not going to be veryeventful, so it's.
But lack of education by copsagain is a problem.

(01:21:33):
I mean that's that's theproblem with it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
It's 2025.
I think it's.
I think the first one Iprobably saw was 2010,.
2011, in reference to actuallyseeing something on YouTube
Bottom line.
If you are running anorganization that has any
dealing with the public andyou're a government organization
, this should be basic trainingon every employee that's hired.
These elected officials all gothrough a basic training to do

(01:22:00):
their job, from judges to lawenforcement to clerks,
everything like that's elected.
This should be in basictraining.
If it's not, then you're goingto write a freaking check.
I mean, they're being freaking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
And that's what some of them are after is the money.
Some are after the exposure,some are after the money.
I hate watching it happen, butthat to me shows the caliber of
the cop or the agency as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I think it speaks volume to the agency.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Especially the trespassing ones, where they
start getting nasty when they'reon the sidewalk.
Like bro, how fucking dumb areyou?
You don't know.
The human being is allowed tobe on the sidewalk.
Right, it's a sidewalk, that'swhat it's there for.
How are you going to tell thisguy he can't stand there?
And they tell him want you ontheir property?

(01:22:49):
I get uncomfortable watching it.
I really do.
It's as bad as watching like ainevitable, like shooting death.
Like you get real uncomfortable.
You're like this is reallygonna go bad because they're
committing career suicide whenthey're doing that, like
everything from that pointforward shows lack of knowledge
of the law, lack of knowledge ofthe policies.
One bad encounter like that,your whole career could just be
done.
Yeah.
Even if you don't arrest them?
just your failure to know thelaw and how to treat somebody in

(01:23:10):
that situation.
Could a defense attorney getsahold of that and shows it every
time in a trial.
Look, he's got his know whathe's doing and it's just.
And it's usually the peacockingcops that want to be tough guys
that go down that line and andand maybe it's a good.
That's where I think it's agood thing, because it should

(01:23:30):
weed those guys out.
Like, if you can't handle afirst amendment order, that's
standing around with a phone,how are you gonna handle a real
stressful situation?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
because that should be stressful yeah, never brings
up a good point.
She said clearwater florida isthrowing people out of their
council meetings, uh, by thedozens, violating free speech,
and that that's an easy one.
Um, actually I think mrbillfold sent me some stuff on
people getting kicked out ofpublic town hall meetings and
stuff like that city councilmeetings and I started going

(01:23:53):
down that rabbit hole to learnmore about what the rules and
regulations are and stuff likethat.
And from what I'm seeing, man,literally if you are the officer
and you are not seeing aviolation of law, you can't take
them out, nope.
And if the council or the mayoror any of these people are
trying to tell you, remove them,you got to stand on First

(01:24:18):
Amendment.
That'll work for you.
Yeah, I can do for you Until Isee a violation.
Just because you're telling meto, that doesn't mean the
violation's occurred and becausethey're hurting your feelings,
that doesn't count.
Because you don't want to hearwhat they have to say, it
doesn't count.
Now, don't get me wrong Ifyou're wilding out and you're
being a major disturbance andstuff like that.

(01:24:38):
Trey, I'm just curious.

Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
Have you ever had to be a part of Tom Hall meetings?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
or anything like that .
No, we got like a wholeseparate team for that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
I ain't gonna do with that oh no, so they don't even
okay, that's actually goodthough that there's somebody to
handle that.
That has probably specializesyeah, they just throw you into
it here.
You oh, you're there.

Speaker 10 (01:24:58):
You go to the meeting and we got like a like
community relations unit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
They take care of all of that but like you, like he
said about the um lack oftraining, think about the
position that puts a young copin, when you have an elected
official telling you to dosomething, and then your job,
your career, starts to gothrough your head.
And then my break I'm notlistening to an order, but it's
the law, like if you're not vert.
That's something.

(01:25:23):
That's a huge thing.
That's something yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
Like if I was fresh off of training and an official,
like some counselor orsomething, was like yeah, get
him out of here.
I probably would do it withoutknowing that.
Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
And guess what?
The counselor is going to getzero heat over that.
It's going to be all the blackguy in uniform.

Speaker 10 (01:25:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
The the tyrant with a gun.
Yeah, yep, I'm.
I'm reading through the thecomments here.
Uh, I the night said, what getsme most is when cops go go back
in after the fact and talk shit.
Uh, or shit talk the person whowasn't doing anything wrong to
the complainant yeah, it's badbusiness yep anytime the phone
around like those days are overthe phone.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
The phones are everywhere.
Everybody's recording.
It just doesn't make sense forguys to one, another one stupid
comment like that.
Your your career's on the linethese days.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Yup Uh.
Mr Bill Fultz said, Eric, inthat video I sent you he
addressed the officers who losttheir qualified immunity in the
case for kicking Dr Spies out ofthat meeting and arresting him.
Yeah, that's a, that's man.
You guys.
When all else fails, fall backon the constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, and that's where we talk about a lot in
counterculture, but you work forthe people.
Yeah, I don't work.
Fuck the sheriff, fuck theoffice, like at the end of the
day.
And I always got asked by acouple guys in town that were
very constitutional, likeconstitutional guys, like if
they said we're taking the guns,would you?
You do Absolutely not.
Fuck, no, absolutely not.
And I hold, I held an oath tothe people, not the job, not on

(01:26:53):
building, not an administrationI worked for the people and you
did it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
At the end of the day , I did it twice, I did it twice
.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, 26 years total between law enforcement and the
military, that I worked for thepeople.
And you know you get groupedinto the tyrant government
bootleg all that bullshit,because you're a cop.
But there are like, there'speople like me.
You guys, that's the way youfeel is like I work for the
people.
Yes, not, not, I'm not here toround up guns.
I'm not here to do it.
I work for the constitution.

(01:27:20):
The constitution at the end ofthe day, the right to bear arms
at the end of day.
That's why we have that right,so that the government doesn't
overrun the people.
And if I had to get on theother side and stand with the
people, you can have thisfucking badge and you can take
it.
I don't want it.
End of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I'll be okay.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
You're there.
Period for the people Policyversus law Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
The statute books this thick, and the policy books
this thick of all the rules.
The constitution is prettystraightforward.
Like we've skewed that documentto case law, to to court
rulings, to amendment, like it'sbeen flipped everywhere.
You can stand on one side ofthe street.
One thing's illegal On theother side of the street.
It's not illegal Like all thatstuff.

(01:28:05):
But at the end of the day,thing's illegal on the other
side of street.
It's not illegal, like all thatstuff.
But at the end of the day, Iwork for the, I worked for the
people and that's who I served,and everybody can kiss my ass
hell, yeah, that's what I'mtalking about.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Um, where was mr?
Just so you know this isactually a big deal on our show
that mr billfold doesn't likecops pretty much in general.
Um, so the fact that I'm very.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I always said I was the closest you could get to not
being a cop.
For 20, 23 years I was thereand I was actually investigated.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I keep preaching.
That is one of the reasons whyI feel like police work was for
me, because I grew up in flintmichigan, I, I was.
All of my friends trust me, me.
I can't say a lot, but it wason the other side of the house.
So, um, and I'm not going tocall any names out, but you know
I'm not a fan of the ATF either.

(01:28:55):
Somebody's talking about theATF, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I'm not a fan of the ATF Trying to hire an agency to
fucking.
The first second amendment Ididn't need an old agency to
fucking.
The second amendment says Ididn't need an old agency to to,
for one little alert that saysshall not be infringed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I don't see anything on the second amendment that
says what type of gun I can haveeither.
I'm not being infringed.
Country constitutional country,girl's gonna go nuts, she's
moving.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Uh, may I capitalize love it, um, um, never said cops
are human too.
It's just that some of themdon't know how to use critical.
May I capitalize Love it?
Neva said cops are human too.
It's just that some of themdon't know how to use critical
thinking.
Hello.
And let's face it, some copswill sheep right into doing what
they're told, and we've seen it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:40):
I don't believe in that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
We've seen it.
So, when push comes to shove,choose your states wisely.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
You have to and I call it a cult.
I think law enforcement is acult, honestly, and when I say
that and you just won all of ourcrowd.
You just won them they ropeeverybody into thinking Yusuf
Hofstra.
He's a good dude.
He's a Brevard County deputythat shot and killed somebody in
a road raid incident and hesaid that his biggest thing is

(01:30:08):
like get out of law enforcementand do something.
I'm not saying there doesn'tneed to be cops, but don't be
part of the cult that makes youthink you can't do anything else
.
You're an intelligent human,you have a brain.
You have a plethora of othertrades.
If it's not for you, don't doit.
If you don't want to conform tothose policies and you're

(01:30:30):
strongly about those, don't doit.
Don't do 22 years of misery, 23years of misery, 20 hating your
family, kicking the dog, allthat stuff that they accuse us
of.
Don't do it.
Go get another job.
Like it's not for everybody.
But if you're going to do it,you do it right.
You serve the people and that'sthe way.
I look at it.
That's what ended my career.
That's what ended my career wasI finally said I'm not dealing

(01:30:54):
with this fucking administrationanymore.
I'm going to say whatever Iwant Obviously not crazy shit
but I'm going to say call outwho needs to be called out.
I'm not going to sit back andtake this anymore out.
I'm not going to sit back andtake this anymore.
You're not going to continue todo this to me.
And I openly supported theother candidate for sheriff,
unfortunately lost, and thatbegan to wrap up my career.
But you know what?
I'm 49 in two weeks.
I don't have to fucking work.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
So they really got me yeah, um, sorry, I'm just
messaging trey that I muted hismic because his fan was driving
me nuts.
But um, all right, let's get toanother.
We're gonna get to the wholepoint of this fucking show
because we're an hour and 30 inalready.
Damn, uh, cotville's like damn,I didn't know it's gonna be

(01:31:35):
this long no I'm good um so twohours every time I go oh, okay.
So, yeah, okay, you're used toit, okay.
So the whole point of when wedo the body cam uh review live
is we will watch body cam videosthat we have never watched
before.
Um, we get all of these frompolice activities youtube
channel, so shout out to thoseguys, make sure you follow them.
Um, every video you're going tosee tonight from here on out is

(01:31:59):
from police activity, so besure to give them a like, follow
, subscribe.
All that good things.
And uh, we have not, I have notwatched any of these videos.
Um, cop bill, if you have seenone of these, just say I've seen
it.
And just kind of chance, I sataround and watched any youtube
videos, yeah.
So, um, what we do is, ratherthan monday morning

(01:32:20):
quarterbacking the video, wekind of we'll keep pausing, all
right, here's, here's how thevideos develop so far.
Here's what I'm thinking,here's what I would do.
So it's kind of will keeppausing, all right.
Here's here's how the video hasdeveloped so far.
Here's what I'm thinking,here's what I would do.
So it's kind of giving themindset of how cops all around
the nation kind of think we gotTrey from California, me from
Texas and Michigan um banningNorth Texas, oklahoma and
Arizona, I think, and then, uh,he's worked all around the place

(01:32:41):
, so, um, banning.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
You was in Arizonarizona, right?
No, I've all my law.
You live there, though, right,I live in 23 different states.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yes, sir jesus christ damn fucking traveling man.
I like 23 addresses.
Um, where do you think thewhole 23 and me came from?
Uh banning be spreading theseed all over no, definitely not
doing that he's like don't giveme a trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
Mom's taught me better.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Okay, let's share the screen here.
Boom, share.
We don't know the back story.
Is there anything like that?
We're going to biggie size.
Pow, there we go and play.
All right, don't forget, ittends to be muted.
Okay, looks like it's out ofBismarck.

(01:33:32):
I don't see any lights orsirens.
Well, I don't hear any sirens.
What do we do?
Looks like he's going to dealwith this car.
Maybe because they're doubleparked, you're blocking this car

(01:33:53):
and move, I'm guessing.
Okay, I'm going to pause it andjust kind of I'll work you into
how we deal with these Cott.
So for me, if I was thisofficer, before I ever
approached this car, I wouldhave ran the plate.

(01:34:14):
I would have taken that platethat I could see there on the
white suv and just entered intothe system as I called out.
Hey, I'm gonna be out with awhite vehicle at this parking
lot.
I don't know why we're here.
So it is what it is, but that'sthe bare minimum I would have
done Banning.
Is there anything else that youwould add to that?

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
No, sir, sorry, I'm pouring another water the water
my ass.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
So, all right, this is some sort of security TV.
This is not the police ownedvideo.
There is no volume at themoment, so everybody knows.
Turn off the car.
Turn off the car.
Okay, so now we've I don't knowit just moved ahead.

(01:35:06):
It didn't tell us what's goingon.
So, yeah, Freeman Keyes iscalling you bullshit, Manning,
they're taking off.
Okay, Copville, what are youdoing from here?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
So far I'm happy nobody's jumped in the car or in
front of it, but we still havesome time to go so I don't know
the call type kind of skews mymind right now about how I would
have handled the start of it.
But I saw one of the commentssaid that's a long walk from
cover.
I definitely agree.
That's a really interesting wayto park your car that far away.
Yeah, so right now, obviouslyyour job is to not get run over,

(01:35:41):
right?
Please don't shoot them throughthe windshield, but we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Yeah.
So that is for those out therelistening me and Banning have
kind of hit on this a lot in thelast year, where we talk about
creating your own exigencyTerrible.
Now this is going to be.
If it hasn't already happened Ihaven't checked up lately, but
it's going to be a Supreme courtruling there.
There's banning water.

(01:36:06):
You cannot create your ownexigency.
Most departments that I know ofmajor departments they don't
want you to do that.
So what is creating your ownexigency?
Most departments that I know ofmajor departments they don't
want you to do that.
So what is creating your ownexigency?
This car is about to take offand you put yourself in a

(01:36:27):
position that it may run youover because you're trying to
draw the line in the sand.
That is putting yourself inyour own and in an exigency
circumstance.

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
Here's also.
I've not seen this video, butthis is obviously a little bit
more North than Texas.
With all the snow on the ground, that's a 2014 Chevrolet
Traverse front wheel drive.
Get on top of that snow mound.
It's not going up more thanthree feet up, that do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Yeah, assuming it doesn't get a whole bunch of
steam on the parking lot.
Yeah, so, um, I would love toknow the call type.
That that's the thing, because,yeah, why are we making contact
?

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
because it's a private lot.
If you've, if you pulled infrom behind and and got real
close to the bumper, there youhave cover and you've yeah,
you've limited its movement forthe rear.
Some of the rear movement theygo forward, but at least you
have your vehicle to retreatbehind.
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
All right, let's keep going all right I don't know
what our goal is here for me.
I'd have been retreating backto my vehicle.
I would have been in my carlike did I hear?

(01:37:34):
Did I hear a gunshot?
No, I didn't hear a gunshotokay I'll go back.
We'll be sure there's the doorshutting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Get out of the car.
Get out of the car.
Get out of the car all rightnow you back yourself up.
Get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Woo, okay, okay.
I'm actually okay with thisshooting, because they didn't
shoot.
No, that was an intentional act.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
Yeah, he changed the verdict it was attempted murder.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Yeah, yeah, he projected himself toward I don't
know what the word is Fuck it.
Tonight I am drinking SuavecitoAnejo.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
It's just Vegas Brandon there saying it was a
long walk to cover.
That was a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Yep, two cops, one donut Needs to stop trying to be
Martin Riggs.
I'm getting too over this shit.
That's Riggs, right?
No, no, riggs is the other one,it's Mel Gibson.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Shots fired.
After hit Show your hands Shotsfired.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Oh, he's fucking up.
You can hear it in his voice.
Show your hands, show yourhands.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Give me a metro.
She struck me, shot fired.
Oh, he's fucking up.
You can hear it in his voice.
Show your hands, show yourhands.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Banning.
You were wrong.
He got up the hill, yeah, I waswrong man, so I take that back.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
So again, I have not seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
But he did build up steam.
He started.
You can see my mouse.
He started mouse.
He started back here, so he hada.
He had some good momentum backup.
He flew no back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Show me your hands back up uh, okay, this is me I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
I tend to get a little.
Um, I will, you know, I will beyour hero.
Uh, for my partners if mypartner is laying there, I'm
probably going to madman thatcar.
I'm going to get up on, up onit quick.
It's probably a bad time.
I'm not a tactical guy, I'm notthe only problem.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
This is a bad well.
I don't think the car can goanywhere.
You have unknown, unknownweapons Right.
You've already shot something,I don't know if you hit anything
yeah.
It's an ugly one because youdefinitely got to get your buddy
out of there.
But yeah, that's a.
That's a real bad situation.
That's a bad.
Somebody said it gets bad quick, and it definitely has gotten
bad quick.
Yeah, like you're no man, Imean I don't think the car can

(01:40:11):
go anywhere, but you don't knowwhere the guy is.
Is he under the wheel?
Is he under the hood?
Where is he?

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yeah, I think I see his head, Maybe to the left
there I can see my mouse.
Yeah, I think that's him.
But damn, my concern would behe backs up and goes forward
again and my guy can't fuckingmove.
So I want to at least get himbehind this felony cruiser over
here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I felony cruiser over here, make sure I drove one of
those for about three yearsundercover.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
I knew it.
What are the top ones we?

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
seized it too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
We seized it and then I drove it.
You got your six-cylindercharger, you've got that the PT
Cruiser, and then you've gotyour Chrysler 300.
Those are the top dogs, greatUC cars.
Mag dump, jesus, okay.
Mag dump, jesus, okay.
Let's keep going.
I can't wait to see the bodycam.

(01:41:05):
There we go.
Oh shit, that is a charger onthe right, alan's right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Go ahead 1140 South Wall Street, Nineways Shelter.
There is a white Chevy Equinoxat the church beside the.
Nineways Type 911.
The texture is 55 and gettingescalated.
Again 1140 South Wall.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Street.
I didn't understand any of that.
Sounds like a differentlanguage.
Did anybody get that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
No, some type of 10 code, garble yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Okay, anyway, of 10-code garble.

Speaker 8 (01:41:39):
Yeah, okay.
Anyway, 10-4.
United copies.

Speaker 7 (01:41:43):
Hi.
What's your name, ma'am?
Why are you calling?
We got called to come check onyou.
They were concerned.
There's nobody concerned.
There was.
We got a phone call.

Speaker 9 (01:42:01):
What's going on today ?
Who did you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
get a call from, I'm detecting either under the
influence of a narcotic or drugs.
Slow speech, do you?
Uh, yeah, for sure I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:42:16):
It was an anonymous caller saying there was a white.
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
That's what they.
They keep doing that.
You know why.
They did that in Nebraska withmy children.
They keep calling in BalserCollege.

Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Third speech.
I don't think that it's okayfor people.

Speaker 7 (01:42:34):
I can't help it that people call and it's my job to
come respond when we have a callin, to come check on people.
Okay, now my concern is comingout.

Speaker 8 (01:42:43):
of you know everybody .

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Your concern is you know everybody that I'm dealing
with my concern is that the carsmells heavily of marijuana.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Okay, I'm going to put it out there.
This cop's being chill as fucklike this.
I mean, as far as personableskills go, he's legit.
Does everybody get the sametype of vibe from this guy?
It's a great person and that's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
I'm sorry, but that's gonna be a lot of chi man to
make somebody like he's.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
He's being a good.
This is how I would hope a coptalks to people.
This is good, good shit.

Speaker 7 (01:43:22):
When's the last time you smoked any marijuana?
Other people have smokedmarijuana in here and I don't
want to get into that, becausethen they're calling you on me.
Other people have you.
Don't smoke any marijuana.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
I have, I have medical marijuana.

Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
I had Jesus Turn off the car no 399, she's fleeing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Jesus, that happened so much faster in this view than
the far away view.
I want to go back and I'm goingto play it through.
I'm damn near surprised theydidn't shoot right there the
first time when he tried to runme.

Speaker 7 (01:44:15):
I don't think he fucking had time.
Current, no, okay, have youstepped outside of the vehicle
here?

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
No, you're not.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
Turn off the car.
Turn off the car no 299,.
She's fleeing no.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Get out of the car?
No, get out of the car.
Get out of the car no.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Look how far their cars are.
299,.
She almost struck me.
Get out of the car.
Get out of the car.
Look how far their cars are299,.
She almost struck me.
Get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
This is my problem.
They're here late, they'resplit out and they're up as well
.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
God damn, you're not fired.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Well, he's on the other side of the hill, well,
he's on the other side of thehill, you pushed him through the
fucking fence.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
She struck me, shots fired.

Speaker 8 (01:44:58):
Show your hands.
And so as soon as I heard that,I put you and she together like
just peeping, like hearing the.
You know how you turn the whenthe gravel scratches.
Yeah, I heard that.
And then that's when I I kindof speed sped walk to the truck.
In case she was the rammy, it'dbe the truck, not me.
So I speed-spread-walked to itand then she was at the window
down.
She was like she was like no,no, no, just don't scream.

(01:45:22):
And I was like hey, calm down,like calm down.
She started giving me to peopleover and running and her dad
owns an oil finery and all typesof crazy stuff while she has me
drive.
So I'm trying to be low keybecause this is all happening
within minutes of each other.
I'm just trying to keep hertalking and see what I'm saying

(01:45:43):
to the other people.
So I didn't even know if Ishould step away in the car.
But if I stepped away I wouldeither be in the front or the
back of the vehicle.
I didn't know what to do.
My son's right there in the car.
I can go 100 back up and thenrun to the back of the car.
So I just take the two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Turn off the car.
Turn off the car.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Get out of the car.
No, get out of the car.
Get out of the car Now.
Get out of the car.
Get out of the car Now.
Get out of the car.

(01:46:28):
Woo Shots fired Hofstra hit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
You know, I think the fence actually saved his ass.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
Fence slowed it down.
Definitely from the back of hishead getting smacked off that
concrete?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Yeah, I agree, I think that fence saved his ass,
damn.
I'm curious how that Show yourhands?

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Show your hands.
Show your hands Back up no,back up.
Show me your hands.
Show your hands Back up no,back up.
Show me your hands.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
He's still looking out for the citizens.
Yeah, that's angsty.
They just.
I don't know if you guys heardin the audience, but he just
said, hey, I want to come helpyou.
And he said, no, stay back.
So I mean, his mind is stillthere, he's still trying to
protect.
Like that's pretty good shit wegot help coming.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
James, stay there damn holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Alright y'all.
What do y'all think about thatone that was freeman keys?
She earned every gram of leadshe received, yeah, yeah, that
was insane and and theseofficers were being so chill
about it, which I like.
I like that, like, that's mylike how they just handled that
is probably about how I am onevery call.
I'm super relaxed, um, but they, they put themselves in a rock

(01:48:00):
and a hard place, which I thinkwas preventable.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
So if we're gonna learn from this as cops.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
That's a tough one yeah, let's you know, I'm not
monday morning quarterbackingthese guys, like they.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I think they, like I said, I think they did a good
job.
They did the only thing.
I think they got hung up whenthey drew their guns and she
backed up, they stayed folk outin the open.
That's the immediate move tocover behind those cars.
That's the only I mean.
I know it's tough, it's tunnelvision kicks in, but get to
cover.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
I don't even think it was tunnel vision.
I think they legitimatelythought she's just going to
drive off.
That's why, you's why, yeah, Ithink I mean even usually what
happens yeah, normally that iswhat happens.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
I think they just thought she was so inebriated
that she didn't know what thefuck she was doing.
Yeah, um I think she was tryingto take him out.
I think she was just trying toget out of there and, yeah, she
was fucked up andy's asking uh,wasn't there a passenger?

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
yeah, that was the guy in the red that they were
talking to at the big fro, andthen he walked away from it
because he was like she'sfucking, I will point out to be
a little critical at thebeginning they interviewed that
dude right behind her car theentire time.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Yeah, where she could have thrown it in and drove off
at that point, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
And it would have taken out the innocent bystander
.
Yeah, so yeah Again.
Innocent bystander yeah so yeahagain.
Anytime a call goes bad, Idon't want you guys to look at
it like we're monday morningquarterbacking cops.
I want to improve.
There's always something tolearn.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
To me it's a debrief yeah, my thing, my, my statement
would be if that ever happens,you immediately get the cover.
Don't worry about, don't standin the open somebody starts to
back away.
I wouldn't even try to rip themout at this point.
There's no, no reason to do it.
Let them go.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Get the cup.
Yeah, tim said.
I just watched a TikTok lawyerand he said if you're inebriated
, it can be used as a defensefor intent.
Get the fuck out of here.
Good luck with that.
Not in Texas, matter of fact.
I think it actually enhancesyour sentence.
Do you still take calls?
Yes, I do.

(01:49:54):
Yeah, do you still take calls?
Yes, I do.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, now don't get me wrong.
I'm a sergeant, my job is tosupervise, so I shouldn't be
taking calls.
But sometimes I know my guysare all at lunch and it's a easy
call that I can go handle.
Um, so I will take calls, butfor the most part, no, um, I'm
out there, I observe calls, Isupervise, like my job is for.

(01:50:17):
But if I get wrapped up in acall that ends up having
somebody's got to go to jail orsomething like that, now I've
taken myself away from doingwhat I'm.
I promoted past that and that'sthe hard part as a sergeant is
not acting like an officeranymore.
So you got to know your roleand your guys will hate you if
you sit there and handle a bunchof calls.

(01:50:38):
I promise so a little cop code.
Was it that way with you inflorida?

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
yeah I got.
When I got promoted to sergeanton patrol I was a warrant, I
was a warrant guy.
I couldn't stop doing it.
So I kind of had that rock anda hard place.
My lieutenant was also samego-getter, now a lieutenant yep,
I'm in the same boat like thefirst two searches, and I took
somebody to jail which is prettyquick here, it's not a long
drive and he finally said hey,dude, you can't be tied up in
the jail.
He's like if you get in apursuit, you get in a car, like

(01:51:05):
that.
He's like if you get thewarrant, you're gonna have to
turn it over to his own car.
Then I feel like a dick.
I'm like man, I'm call the zonecars like.
I think this guy's over here towarrant.
Do you want to go get him?
Yeah, but I wouldn't just go onmy own and go.
You know, I'm going to go graba guy and then this guy who's
trying to do whatever he wantsto do and doesn't, you know
trying to do traffic or you knowwatch a house or something.
So I felt I didn't want to bethat sardid, because that used

(01:51:32):
to happen all the time when Iwas a.
So then I got street crimes,which then didn't fucking matter
.
I could do whatever I wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
So Houston gas, this is again.
You guys know I've got banningsweat land, which is one of the
most epic you know deputy namesever.
Houston gas is also anotherdeputy.
He got shot in the fucking facewith a shotgun while on duty.

Speaker 6 (01:51:53):
Back in real quick 30,000 foot view, not to take
away from what Eric's about tosay.
Back in 2015, houston was up inthe panhandle in Texas, went to
a domestic Houston comment, ifI'm wrong on this, but I believe
it was the second or third timepatrol units had to go back out
to that house and basically gotpeople to safety, was trying to
get the dude out, possiblyarmed, and wasn't sure if

(01:52:17):
there's other people in the room, because we know if we're
dealing with that kind of stuff,you can kind of like this guy's
by himself.
Now he's in his own domicile.
We're gone.
But, not knowing, houston didthe right thing and, trying to
communicate with the gentlemanthrough the bedroom door, put
his left face up against thedoor.
12-gauge shotgun point blank onthe other side shot Houston

(01:52:37):
right in the face, disintegratedall the teeth.
You can go Google Houston gas,just on Google, and look at
images.
You can see the reconstructivesurgery.
I don't even know how manysurgeries he went through, but
he put the uniform back on untila few days ago.
He just retired.
But let me tell you somethingabout Houston Gass.

(01:52:59):
He's a good friend of mine.
Once he was able to talk andwalk.
After that he went to thefrigging jail and forgave the
dude that frigging shot him.
That speaks volumes on somebodyman.
Uh, no, houston is a uh dearfriend of mine.
He, he literally is in theprocess of finishing out his
retirement right now.

(01:53:20):
He's done on patrol and, uh,I'm welcoming him to the joy
enjoy your retirement, man, youfucking surely, surely, earned
it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
So I want to get him on our podcast, but I will throw
him your way once.
Uh, you can have my sloppyseconds.
Sound good there?

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
we go.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
All right, let's go to the next video, police
activity.
We need to share the screenShare and biggie size.
There we go, all right, let'sroll.
We need to unmute first.
There we go, all right, let'sroll, oh we need to unmute first
.
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Hi, is this an armed robbery going down at Maplewood
Condominiums right now?
What's the full address there?

Speaker 10 (01:54:06):
North Backer Avenue.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
What unit there's like four or five of them.
They all got down.
My neighbor just came to myhouse knocking they broke into
my window and they said FresnoPolice Department.
Okay, I saw.

Speaker 8 (01:54:19):
I looked out the people for a second and it
wasn't cops and I ran out theback door.
And you're you guys are in Unit.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Yeah, I'm in Unit House robbery is.
I see him just keep going backand forth grabbing.
They got guns and stuff andthere's a balloon in his house.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Has he got that shotgun in a bag?
Oh, maybe.
Yeah, nobody will notice us.
Hell, yeah, that's what I'mtalking about.

(01:55:11):
That's a fucking UC.
Or is that the?
No?
That's a I'm talking about.
That's a fucking UC.
Or is that the?
No, that's a bad guy's car.
Yeah, that's what it says.
That's a bad guy's car, I think.
All right, I'm going to givehim a little credit.
It's pretty smart.
Most bad guys don't do this.
That was pretty smart.

(01:55:32):
So, all right, I will say thatif we got this call and I hear
those details it is an armedresponse.
Everybody's guns should be outand we need to get together
collectively and come up withsome rudimentary game game plan
on the way there.
So let's keep going.
This is where a real-time crimecenter really comes into handy.

(01:55:55):
Yeah, drones.
If you got drones, launch them.
Look at that.
That's a good SUV right there.
That's prime for it.
Oh, they took a gun safe.
Oh, yeah, that's going to bogthat thing way down.
That is not made for that typeof weight.

Speaker 6 (01:56:14):
Nope, it's a 2005 Honda CR.
Oh lord look at it.

Speaker 10 (01:56:18):
How do you be knowing all these cars, bro?

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
running on the rims.
Hey, once you've done a littlepolice work rookie, you start to
learn these cars.
If you just go out there andactually do some shit instead of
sitting back and just takingcalls man, I don, no, I don't be
parking lot pimping man.
I be trying to get after it.
Look at this car Just draggingass.

(01:56:43):
It's riding on the tires.
That's how heavy that thing is.
Why didn't he go out the way hecame in?
Why make it harder on yourself?

Speaker 6 (01:56:54):
I bet you that grass was left.
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
that.

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
I bet you that grass was left or wet and it pulled
him to the left.
That's a left.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Oh yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Probably just made it easier on himself 14 apart,
where it's in the middle of thecomplex.
It's in the middle of thecomplex.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Okay, so they're watching this live or they're
getting updates live, becausethey just said it's in the
middle of the complex, middle ofthe complex.
So there's a slight delay inthat stuff and I believe we just
saw the tail end of that car goby, quit showing off banning,
so I'm gonna go back.
I want you guys to look wayahead.
Um, in the parking lot as hemakes his turn.

(01:57:33):
You can see what I think isthat suv driving 14 apart, where
it's in the middle of as hemakes his turn.
You can see what I think isthat SUV driving Team 14, a part
where it's in the middle of thecomplex.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
Right there.

Speaker 10 (01:57:41):
Copy.
It is here.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
You know they're armed.
These cops are aware thatthey're armed.
They hold shots.
You link up.
Is that it?
Oh, no, that's it.
Is that it?
Oh, no, that's it.
I was wrong.
That's not the car.
How do you know?
I haven't watched this 400 toKing Forteum.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
I got the car on the south side Get on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Don't fucking move.
They're trying to drive away.
Don't move.
Don't move K-14, they're tryingto drive away.
Don't move.
Don't move Team 14, they'regoing back towards you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
That's a hard position to be in.
You know they're armed.
You don't see a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
He's pretty far forward for my liking right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Yep, and look where we're at.
You're responsible for everyround that comes out and we're
in a very tight packed apartmentarea.

Speaker 6 (01:59:03):
And just imagine what the groundskeeper is going to
think.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
What the fuck?
I just had this place.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
I'm going to get out quick, but this is a rifle call.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Yeah, out of the locker.
You get there laying on theseat next to you, ready to pull
out.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Yep, that's my move.
Yep, absolutely.
Gas meter?
Yeah, there is a gas meterright there.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
With that Glock from there with an iron sight, I
promise.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Yeah.
So all right, Rookie, what doyou got?
You got anything.

Speaker 10 (01:59:36):
Shit.
I mean, I think they're doingall right right now he's not.
He's starting to creep up,which could be a problem, but so
far I think it's cool.
It seems like they got aperimeter set because they got
another unit over there and yeah, nothing really.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Yeah, this is about to get fucking hairy real quick.

Speaker 10 (01:59:57):
Yeah, I can tell he's already amped up.
I mean, it's hard not to be ina situation like this.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Yeah, I don't get amped up very much, but if I go
in knowing they've got on viewand they're armed, it's going to
be hard not to be breathingheavy, for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
Stop right there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Yeah, this is bad for sure in this instance because
we have live view of them beingarmed.
I'm not opposed to that.
They were retreating, goingbackwards, he followed and was
starting to use the building hiscover, and then they suddenly
brought it forward and caughthim off guard in a different

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position I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
It's it's right.
I don't like him going that farforward, but if he's it
appeared they were maybe backingout, gonna lose sight of him
yeah like I mean he's out theretrying to keep eyes on.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
He's trying to keep communication Highly populated
apartment complex.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
So yeah, a little bit .
There's a lot more factors tothis one than just your old
parking lot jumping in front ofthe car Right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
You got anything on thatbanning?
Okay, trey.

Speaker 10 (02:01:16):
No, I pretty trey, no, I pretty much stand on the
same direction as that.
And then I mean he jumped outof nowhere else he could go in
that little small corridor.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
So yep, yeah, and then it is like you can't risk
them driving by that close,knowing they're armed, and then,
because he's a sitting duck, ifthey start shooting out of that
car yeah, yeah, for sure so,all right, keep going.
Looks like they trappedthemselves in a parking lot.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Now it looks like he's just trying to have fun
there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Not okay with that Not okay with that let's keep
going, keeps coming over thebottom.

Speaker 3 (02:02:33):
Guy got him Kip's coming over the back.
Hey, give me your hand.
There's a guy in the car.
Still there's another guy inthe car.
Still Another guy in the car.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
Shit, we just left him.
Oh, he fired out his window orgot fired at.
He's stuck, his door won't openhe disabled his own car.

Speaker 6 (02:02:57):
Let me get that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
Oh, that guy's DRT.
Oh, it wasn't a shotgun.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
Oh, that's real Shorty too.
Hey, I'm going to put this inmy car in my car.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
That is not the business of people.
That don't mean it.
They went out there to handlebad shit.
If it happened, I am okay withthe original officer that fired.
I am okay with everything theydid to handle that.
I am not okay with him firingrounds into a person running his

(02:03:40):
hands looked empty.
I couldn't tell.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
I'm just curious how the holes got in the wind?
Did they come in or out, right?
I think he boned him and thendid he raise a gun like there's
a lot missing there I think he,I think his vehicle got disabled
.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
He couldn't get the door open and he's like I'm
fucked, so he started firing.
So, um, that's my guess.
I don't know the rounds runningaway were a little rough yeah,
yes, yeah.
And on that, like, yeah, wadelucero said maybe a 300 blackout
.
Yeah, it could have been.
Look like I mine's a short,short barrel 300 blackout, but

(02:04:15):
yeah and then okay, sotraining-wise guys, clear the
vehicle.
You got to have one goes afterthe driver, that's fine, but
somebody's got to clear thevehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
That's a tough one.
Everybody does that and weactually train that heavy at our
agency to make sure.

Speaker 10 (02:04:33):
It's funny that you say that, because my sergeant
he's always big on like uh, he'slike somebody has to do the
boring job.
Everybody can't run to the fundso like, stay in the cars could
be the boring job it's big onperimeters and stuff too, like
everybody, or hot calls.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Everybody wants to go right to the hot call and I
have been luckier by stayingaway and taking a further.
I'm opening the umbrella andthen sometimes you get lucky,
they come your way, sometimesyou're not, sometimes you're the
bug, sometimes you're thewindshield.
So yeah, everybody going to oneplace or everybody you know,
can't all run after the guy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
That plus one is always a factor yeah, uh, nina
said, shouldn't they have gloveson when handling the perp's
firearm?

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
yeah, you don't know the status of the passenger, you
gotta get out of there unlesshe's obviously dead.
I originally thought that rightaway.
Why get the gun if he'sobviously dead?
But in that case there's somuch going on that doesn't
change much of the investigation.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Yeah you get so spun up, man, I'm telling you my
adrenaline would have beenpumping on that one, and I don't
get adrenaline that easyanybody that's.
Yeah, you get so spun up, man,I'm telling you my adrenaline
would have been pumping on thatone, and I don't get adrenaline
that easy Anybody that's been init a while.
I think we're all in the sameboat.
Anybody that trains ingrappling or martial arts for a
long period of time, they alsohave a harder time getting their

(02:05:50):
adrenaline up, so that'sanother reason I'm big into that
.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
Harrison Brock, look good to train like or talk about
like that's, that's.
There's a lot happened in thatvideo to really adjust and that
and to train, and that's kind ofmy.
One of my pet peeves withsmaller agencies is, you know,
the lack of pursuit policies.
A lack of critical incidentsleads them to what happens when
that happens in a small townthey've never even talked about

(02:06:16):
it.
Yeah, so these breakdownsshould be done at the smaller
agencies too and cover this andbe ready for this, because that
happens in Podump.
I mean that seems like a prettybusy area where those guys look
pretty squared away.
That dude handled himself.
That first guy handled himselfpretty well, other than going a
little bit past my comfort zoneof cover.
He did a pretty good job thatwas impressive because it yeah

(02:06:39):
so big place, they should bewell changed.
But you know you have a smalltown and that breaks through.

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
God knows what's gonna happen yeah, what, what
sucks, and and again thank youharrison for that and um, marine
blood's uh drinks, or becauseyou didn't get another um, but
what was what?
What we should point out inthis, too, is that if you do
come from a smaller agency wherewe see a lot of the problem

(02:07:03):
videos when we see cops fuck up,you got to remember everybody's
like.
Well, how much training do theyhave?
I don't care if they had 5500hours of training.
They had a two-year academy.
If they sit in a city where theworst thing that happens is Mrs
Johnson's garbage can flippedover into their neighbor's yard

(02:07:24):
and they want it taken care of,that skill set goes away.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
And here's the correlation I make when are most
of your TikTok cops from Smallagencies?
All podunk small agencies?
So it correlates to lack oftraining.
And then they're so lack oftraining that they're dancing
around their car and like thathulk real moron doing for, oh
jesus with the pink handcuffs.
I can't stand it and it justit's unfortunate.

Speaker 10 (02:07:53):
And and vera reenactments, dude reenactment,
you know everybody people besending me and saying like bro,
you should.
Are you liking my mind, bro?
Hell no.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
And here's what people don't realize.
I I'm very hard on him andwe've gone at it and he blocks
me.
He hasn't had me blocked in mypocket as a count yet but I he
would hope all he'll respondwith is some god blessed message
or something.
But um, people take offense tothat.
I have had guys in officerinvolved shootings that message
me after one of his stupid skitvideos and go hey man, my buddy

(02:08:24):
got shot like three days ago andI'm going through it and this
moron is making a mockery ofthat situation not that specific
one, but he's makingreenactments for clout about
officer-involved shootings.
Domestic violence is anotherweird fantasy of his.
He's always doing a domesticviolence skit.
It's like these guys havemessaged me and that's where I

(02:08:47):
kind of look like I can saywhatever I want.
So they can't.
That's why I get nasty withthem.
It doesn't resonate well toguys that have been involved in
critical incidents or domesticviolence victims or you know
guys in like chicago and newyork, you guys, and like dealing
with fucking madness all day.
And then this guy's got eightcameras set up with seven
characters in a fucking skitthat last three minutes of like

(02:09:08):
a whole soap opera in one video.
It's like this is what he'sdoing on duty and I found out
they actually enjoy it there.
Like the agency supports it.
Yeah, they let him the there.
Like the agency supports it.
Yeah, they let him.
The local academy policeacademy like supports it.
It's unreal.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
Yeah, it's so stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
Irmo, south Carolina Police Department.
Oh, is that where it?
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
again.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
It's right outside of South Carolina.
It's one of the big cities.
I forget the city in SouthCarolina.
It's outside one of the bigcities.
It's RIMO R-I-M-O policedepartment in South.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
Carolina, oh my God.
And he gets other people on thedepartment involved in that
bullshit and I sit there and I'mjust like what Buddy's is over
there by you guys too.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
That Texas cop guy, texas cop, texas cop 2.0 is
another one.
He's a black dude, wears acowboy hat.
He's somewhere in Texas.
I'll have to look that one up,you look him up.
There's like a gaggle of themthat get together and make their
little like four-man videos andthere it's bad.
Yeah, texas, cop 2.0.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
Yeah, I am.
I'm not a fan of any of thatbullshit, I'm.
I like the education side, thatthat.

Speaker 10 (02:10:13):
Will be thinking that that is like community
engagement.
I'm good, breathing and gap I'mlike.
Here's my confession.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
I actually made tick tocks from 20 december 2020 to
december of 2020 till aboutmarch, april, and I was actually
ended up in the daily mail likeall over the nation and the
world.
I was going through it and why?
And people throw that in myface and I say it's the.
I'm accountable for the factthat I know that I was doing the
wrong thing.
I stopped doing it.

(02:10:40):
And they say why are you sohard on them?
And you did it.
Because I know what they'rethinking and they think they're
like you were just saying theythink it's community engagement.
No, and like Izzo says it best,it's a dopamine dump.
It's like a drug.
It's a dopamine dump of fameand a little bit of fame and a
little bit of clout and a littlebit of engagement and it sends
their dopamine levels sky highand they become addicted to it.

(02:11:02):
And then they stop doing theirjob and I see females
interviewing Haley that talkabout their law enforcement.
It's a segue to like a makeupcareer and they're just here for
a little while, like andthey're making tick tocks like
to push the makeup businesswhile they're on duty and it's
like what are you doing and howdoes?
an agency tolerate that I gothammered at my agency I didn't
really get in trouble, I didn'tmake any real policies, but they

(02:11:24):
were hard on me and it reallysmacked me in the face.
Like dude, you're an idiot.
Like I was an absolute moronand I'm not proud of it.
I, I dude.
Somebody came at me with onethe other day where I'm wearing
a fucking wig and I'm likethat's a good one, that's a I
was bad man, but I wear I own it.
I confess I am, I was a moronand I had a bad run there, and

(02:11:45):
who better to tell you thatyou're fucked up than somebody
who did it and doesn't do itanymore?

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
oh shit, you don't know who is.
Oh, is Tim.
Let me share.
Go to my page and then justplay that one of my podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Let me do that.
Good call.
Oh, you got to go to my podcastpage.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
I will Let me see here he be on shit I ain't going
to lie, he be fine.

Speaker 10 (02:12:06):
I think he was on me before.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
I think he was too.
Let me see.

Speaker 10 (02:12:13):
Did.
Let's see.
Did he get on you, I think.
So I don't give a fuck.
But yeah, I think he did onsomething I posted.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
Okay, I am on Copville.
Is it under a reel?

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
It's under my locked up page, the other page.
Yeah, yeah, I'm on that, You'llsee the last couple reels are
counterculture.
You'll see the background.
The last couple, which one doyou want?
The first one's pretty good,this one yeah, that's a quick
one we have policy creationwhere you can't ostracize, you
can't bully, you can't.

Speaker 5 (02:12:42):
If we bullied more, if we browbeat, hey you fat
piece of shit, go fucking workout.
If we took the job seriously,because you know exactly how
training is, hey you got arecertification today on your
fucking OC spray.
Okay, fill out the paperwork,do whatever.
You fuck around for four hours.
You got policy creation whereyou can't ostracize, you can't
bull, you can't.

Speaker 2 (02:13:02):
That's it and the other one's a little longer.
But you know what he's.
What he's getting at there iswhen I came in you got bullied
and some of it went a little toofar, but I think it was better
than where now you can't sayanything.
And yeah, we had our zones andif you left your zone some
senior guy would walk up to youand say, hey, dude, you leave
your fucking zone again.
You know you're fucked likeyou're not.
Don't do that, handle your call.
You don't handle a call.

(02:13:23):
Guy walk up to you and say, hey, motherfucker, handle your
calls, stop right.
I started my first midnightshift in uh, veer beach police
department.
I worked with all old birds.
They were all old I, I'm 23,fresh out of the Army, fresh out
of the Academy, and the firstthing they told me was if you
talk on the radio after 2 am,we'll fucking kill you.
They all went to a donut shop.

(02:13:43):
Like the typical stereotype.
It was called Tasty-O Donuts.
2 am every cop in the town wasin the donut shop eating donuts
and drinking coffee and I wastold not to talk on the radio.
Damn, that's not right.
But he's getting that bullyingand and and to say call people
out for what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
Yep, yeah, I like uh, I caught a lot of fun for being
friends with him and and it's.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
It's one of those things, man I.
I don't agree with everything,but he's right.
He's right about a lot ofthings.
It just comes off he comes offaggressive and he says what's on
his mind.

Speaker 1 (02:14:17):
But you need people like that yeah, I, I I'm friends
with him.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
I'll tell people straight up he's my friend, I
talk flack within thecounterculture group and and
just people in general.
Hey, man, I'm defending youfrom.
I'm like you can fucking defendme.
I'll be friends with who I want.
Yeah, and I look at him like I'drather have a guy not scared to
say it than just people sitaround, just go with the flow.
Like he brings an alternateopinion and it's not always
right, but it's he's.

(02:14:42):
He makes a case for himself andhe and um, I like it, I like
how he like I said he's a goodfit to this narrative of of all
the people that kind of have avoice in law enforcement right
now.
He's a good fit by saying thethings that some people won't,
even if it's not right all theway he says it and then people
can discuss it.
And his passion, honestly, hispassion at the core because I

(02:15:06):
talked to him personally is tomake cops better.
He's done, he did, yes,mistakes, he got fired, all that
stuff he did dumb, and headmits it.
He holds it, puts it right outfront but then says if I can
make one cop better, it's a winyeah, and and and that's.

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
I try to tell people I'm like the personality that
you see online when I talk tohim offline it's.
It's not exactly the same guy,but the the motivation is always
the same great fucking dude manhe's yeah, he's a good dude
dude he has.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
He's a very intelligent man.
He's very good.
He's a good dude.
He's a loyal dude.
He's a very intelligent man.
He's very good with marketing.
He's very good with tech.
He's very smart.
Yeah, I actually invited himHis voice turned a lot of people
off.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
I invited him tonight when I knew you were going to
be on and I was like, hey, hedoes his.
I said, if you got cotvillecoming on, if you're, if you're
interested, and he's like, he'slike, oh yeah, he's a good dude.

(02:16:04):
He's a good dude.
He's like, uh, he's like, justhe, what he told me, he goes
with him, he goes if you have astance.
Don't flip-flop on him, stickyour ground like I Like.
I said I hate the termflip-flopper.
I am a.
I will let you win me over.
If you give me a good argument,I'll be like oh shit, I didn't
think of it that way.
That's a good call, I'm thattype of guy.

(02:16:26):
So, but I'll tell you like,okay, I didn't think of it that
way.
Good call, mr Billfold, aswe're talking about him and a
lot of women.
A lot of women don't likedominic and that's oh yeah, they
definitely don't.
But and that's one of thethings I disagree with him on
I've, like I said, I've had verygood experiences with female
officers.
So sit there and say that Idon't think females should be

(02:16:46):
cops, that's not me.
I I think they should the goodones.
Same with guy cops.
There's some guy cops.
I'm like you shouldn't't be acop dude, have you ever?

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
and anybody who doesn't?
And it's hard to listen to, buteven as a female I get it.
But his explanation almost goesback to what we just talked
about at the beginning with themilitary, about why, right he
gets into, men by nature willdefend women differently than
they'll defend men, andsometimes the forces go a little
further.
I had a lieutenant that Iworked with that he just was
obsessed with every female andit was just like obvious and it

(02:17:18):
was like but I don't blame thefemales either, you don't.
You don't deserve to be treatedlike that and men should
control themselves.
And again, my wife was the onethat turned around to iso and
she's a huge fan of his andshe's a female cop.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
so yeah, yep, no, you guys should definitely be
checking, checking out iso, forsure.
And he's called, like he's, hehas literally made a video
calling me out because he didn'tagree with what I said.
But Izzo's a class act.
He said listen, this is justone stance of Eric's that I
don't agree with.
I like all these other things.

(02:17:49):
Yeah, we went out about.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
I disagree with him about female cops as well, and
we went back and forth.
We had our conversation aboutit.
I will tell you, as thesevideos keep coming out.
He's moving the.
He's winning you over Not allthe way, but he's making some
very good points.
If you get past the fact thathe uses the C word and he says
things like that and he comes ifyou listen to what he says,

(02:18:14):
what's the C word?
C-U-N or I'm not saying it, I'mnot saying my house I really
don't say it that, but he does,he says things and you're just
like, oh, boy and and, but yeah,I, I, I respect the opinion in
the room because it generates,if anything, it generates,

(02:18:34):
conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:18:35):
Yeah mr bill fucking with me.
Uh, banning.
What do you got to say, sir?

Speaker 6 (02:18:39):
you've been on a few times with iso on here I mean, I
don't have any problems withiso, you know, that's what I
love about the freaking amazingcountry we're in.
Get your opinion and you canput your opinion out there.
I'm gonna tell you I've workedwith some badass uh female
officers and I've worked withnot so badass female officers,

(02:18:59):
but the coin is the same on bothsides.
I've worked with some badassdude officers and I've worked
with some piece of shit, youknow it's the same you know,
pass the standard or don't.
If you don't pass the standard,well, go somewhere else,
somebody else no, I just threwhim on and dom.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
Here's the other thing.
Dominic doesn't talk out of hisass and he's very educated.
Yeah, so if you're gonna comeat him, he will over research
everything and have a very andthat's part of his ego.
He doesn't like to be wrong, hedoesn't want to be, he wants to
win and he doesn't do it atreckless cost.
He does it at studying thetopic and being very educated on

(02:19:38):
it.
To make this point, come across.

Speaker 1 (02:19:42):
Agreed, alan.
You got anything to add?

Speaker 4 (02:19:43):
buddy, no sir, uh, uh , just uh, we did come up with
an idea for retro rifle thefourth of july.

Speaker 1 (02:19:50):
G strings okay, we could do the same ones that they
did on the saturday night liveskit with a welfare.

Speaker 4 (02:19:56):
That would be great.
Yeah, shirts we were talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (02:20:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:20:04):
We could do DWI dance , you know, or?

Speaker 6 (02:20:06):
right, and I, I like.
I like floss for my teeth, Notnot your butt crack.

Speaker 1 (02:20:12):
All right, let's go.
I got one video left so I wantto get to that video.
Because we are man, we havebeen plugging along, so I am
going to share this screen Share.
We're going to biggie size Bow,unmute and play, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
Hi is there an armed?

Speaker 1 (02:20:37):
robbery going down didn't I just do this one I
think I know what happens inthis one, yeah I think I just
did this one, yeah son of abitch um what's this one we did,
that one we did oh, I lie,we're through all the videos hey
, did you have that video?

Speaker 4 (02:20:55):
I sent you yesterday on your phone.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
Which one?

Speaker 4 (02:20:58):
The horse, we can end it with a good video.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
Did you send?

Speaker 4 (02:21:04):
I texted to you.

Speaker 1 (02:21:06):
I thought Let me see here Did you text it like
directly I don't remember.
I don't know either.

Speaker 4 (02:21:15):
They may have been with a group.

Speaker 1 (02:21:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, shit.

Speaker 4 (02:21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21:24):
If you can.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
Because it was great, I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
I know, but the problem is going to be getting
it on here.
It was a tick tock right andfreaking.

Speaker 6 (02:21:40):
Mr billfold just said he took a five hour nap for
this uh live stream, so I'm sureyou can get on youtube and I
mean, if we've got the peoplethat want to see some more.
I'm not sure what cop bill'sschedule is.
I don't want to impede on that,but cop bills about out of gas.

Speaker 1 (02:21:57):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:21:57):
I found it.
It rolls like three, three anda half hours.
So, like some of us are likedude, we got to go to the
restroom.
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
Right, all right, here's a.
We'll do this as a closingvideo here.
This is out of Modesto, and Idid think this was pretty
fucking funny because I knowthis dance.
I don't like the.
I'm down the horse is okay.

(02:22:29):
I'm down with the horse that'sgreat as a person who's ridden
horses quite a bit, I can tellyou the horse is not happy he's
pissed he's not happy about whathe's being forced to do right

(02:22:51):
now because his ears are pinnedhe's about to do the hip turn.

Speaker 4 (02:22:57):
So if you're anywhere near in a crowd and you see
that hip start to turn, youbetter be moving yeah, yeah,
horses he's coming around theyare such great, uh, crowd
controllers.

Speaker 1 (02:23:09):
I will give him that yeah so, um, before we go, I
want everybody again.
Uh, copville, could you letpeople know how to find you?
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
instagram at copville og.
Website is wwwcopvilleogcom.
Instagram is.
I'm sorry, youtube isyoutubecom.
Slash at copville og and um, Iappreciate you guys having me on
.
Oh yeah, bro, you like badmemes and uh, loud opinion and
all that stuff.
You love it and uh, I drop myum podcast come out every

(02:23:43):
wednesday at noon on youtube,spotify and apple podcast hell
yeah, guys, make sure you gogive him a like, a follow, all
that good stuff is uh iso yes,yeah, go, make sure you guys
also say what's up to Izzo.

Speaker 1 (02:23:56):
Follow him Please for us, everybody that's dropped
some memberships tonight and allthat stuff.
Thank you, harrison Braugh.
Constitutional Country Girl.
If you can't support usfinancially which we get, and
we're not pushing that at all doit for free.
Just follow, like subscribe.

(02:24:16):
Um, if you like what we'redoing, the content we're putting
out, it does go a long way withwhat we're doing and helps us
out more than you know.
So thank you guys, everybodyfor tuning in tonight.
Uh, banny, you got any closingwords, sir?

Speaker 6 (02:24:30):
No, I just appreciate everybody here, even the ones
that don't enjoy law enforcement.
That's what we're here for.
We're here for the entireentire crew.
We say it every podcast.
We're not an echo chamber,we're not.
We're not belting this with apatrol uniform on.
This is, this is day in thelife, and we try to share what
law enforcement does and weappreciate all the comments.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
Yeah, you got anything Alan.

Speaker 4 (02:24:57):
No, I appreciate everybody being here tonight.
Look for us.
We're going to start trying toshare some of this vertically as
well next week.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
So and what we mean by that is TikTok and Instagram,
because their platforms arevertical.

Speaker 10 (02:25:07):
So, trey rookie, you get to go last nah, I mean, I
appreciate everybody, and KyleBill too.
Thank you for jumping on, broappreciate it man even for you
specifically, bro.
I think I feel like youprobably don't reveal yourself
as like a genuine dude oninstagram, but even just through
this conversation, bro, like Icould tell that that's

(02:25:29):
definitely the case.

Speaker 2 (02:25:29):
So I appreciate it.
I try I play the the copvillething up a little bit and if, if
you watch my podcast, I'mactually very calm and very I'm
going to check, I'm going tocheck it out, don't forget to
check out counterculture as well.
That's in my bio.

Speaker 10 (02:25:43):
I've been looking at the counterculture thing for a
minute.

Speaker 1 (02:25:45):
Yep, good, yeah, yep, and the antiut Shop podcast.
Who else can we shout out?
Eric Tansey, with the EricTansey official, is another guy
Shit Anybody?
I can't think of Gizzo.

(02:26:05):
Yep, dominic Gizzo, make sureyou check him out.
A bunch of good material, guys,and good takes on police work.
Everybody in the chat or, I'msorry, in the actual podcast,
all my people here on the panelstick around real quick while we
end this and everybody else.
Thank you for tuning in.
We will provide this audio onour podcast later on this week.

(02:26:26):
Thank you for tuning in andtake it easy.
Appreciate it, take care, thankyou.

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