Policing Today: Accountability and Missteps

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for All right.
Welcome back to Cops 1 Donner.
We had a little technical snafuthere, just paused on its own
and I was like did we loseinternet connection all of a
sudden, hardwired into thatfiber?
But I am your host, eric Levine.
Welcome everybody.
I'm back from the Dominican.
Real quick shout-out to SteveWallace.
I see he's on.
He's never missed a live so Ialways have to give him a
shout-out.
Mr Bill Fultz said I'mboycotting the stream if Alan is

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kept back in the shadows.
That's it with Alan.
Alan is our moderator foreverybody wondering, but we let
him peek out every once in awhile.
We also have with us tonightthe one, the only, detective,
matt Thornton.
We also have with us tonightthe one, the only detective,
matt.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Thornton.
What's up buddy, how you guysdoing Good to be back had a busy
, busy Christmas season.
It was nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hey man, everybody understands.
We have my co-host with us,banning Sweatland out in Vegas.
What's up?
Banning what's?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
up brother Out here at SHOT Show just doing some
business development, brotherHell yeah, that's what I'm
talking about.
Where are you staying at?
This is old school man.
I'm on the south, it's cheaper.
It's the Polo Towers, hiltonPolo.
Towers no casino.
Yeah, no casino in here.
I used to live out here yearsago behind the Rio man.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh, okay, sorry to interrupt, explains the gambling
problem.
All right, trey, jumped in,there we go.
I'm almost ready.
I got this camera you do thatwe'll get no worries, but first
let um well, never mind you, youget your camera going.
Trey has a new camera.
Guys, we're trying to get hiscamera up and running.
Um, it turned out he needed aspecial cable that he didn't

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have, so I think he ran to thestore while we were trying to
set up to go get it.
We have our special guest withus today, josh Deadleg.
What's up, buddy?

Speaker 8 (02:36):
Aloha.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
So, for those who don't know, josh was a former
officer, medically retired, andhe is a genuine know-it-all
badass behind the scenes forother podcasts like Failure to
Stop, failure to Stop, networkand there's a few other podcasts
associated with that Deadleg.
Let them know there's Failureto Stop.

Speaker 8 (02:55):
There's oh man, you put me on the spot.
We have Failure to Stop, foxMedia, fox News.
We have the news that goes onWednesdays.
We have a sports show that goeson Thursdays.
We have our Monday show, ourcomedy show on Monday.
I'm not sure if we're going tokeep that going forward or not,
because it's only been the firstcouple weeks of January, but
we've got quite a few shows thatare all between Failure Stop

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and Fox F-A-W-K-E-S.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Somebody said Trey's on a flip phone.
Hey man, leave Trey alone.
He's trying to learn Trey.
So for y'all that don't know,when we started putting this all
together, me and Banningstarted networking, and I guess
what you could call recruiting.
We were trying to find peoplethat were like-minded in the
same mission.
Oh Crispy, look at him now,glistening.

(03:45):
Damn Dang.
He went from a 2 to a 10.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
I got it.
I'm always in a 10.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Get your height going .
Yeah, buddy, that's what I'mtalking about.
That look good.
That boy look good.
A little shout out to Coming toamerica.
For anybody that knows thereference trait might be too
young.
Um trey is continuously with apoint that I was getting to.
Um, he's the one with the leastamount of experience in

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policing for all of us on thepanel, so we keep calling him
our rookie and treating him likea rookie.
I feel bad for him sometimes.
I'm always giving him shit, butI think we give everybody equal
shit, except for Matt.
Matt never throws this atanybody.
I don't get it, I'm afraid Ithink he just got that hand

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speed.
He's like don't worry, keepthrowing them.
Levine, one day you're going tocatch a two-piece.
All you got to here is with theexception of dead leg, which he

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is still posthumously a part ofwhat we've been doing and has
helped us build, and maybe oneday he'll agree to be a
full-fledged member.
But everybody that you seetonight Banning me, trey, matt,
alan, behind the scenes as ourmoderator we are all a part of

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the Two Cops, one Donut stuff.
Right now.
I know what you're saying.
That's more than two cops.
We started with two, which wasjust me.
That was how the name got going.
So, if you're like, where thefuck did the name come from?
I'm a military cop and I am amunicipal cop, so there's your
two cops.
I was a big fan of the podcastTwo Bears, one Cave with tom

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segura and burt kreischer, so Ijust played off of their name.
Two cops, one donut.
That's where it came from.
Um.
And here we are today, fouryears later, um, almost four
years, in april, and we havegrown.
So now we've got matt, uh, wegot banning.
We've got a lot of people,daniel, who's not here, um, I
don't know.
He's got like uh, oh, my god,what was that?

(06:06):
He's got like play-doh forinternet connection.
So, um, we can never get danielon here consistently.
We're waiting for him to gethis stuff.
Um, patrick, I'm going to thechat.
Um patrick, true love said gladto see matt back.
Hey, we all are, my guy, thankyou glad to be back.
Mr bill foltz said let's givealan some flowers for doing a

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great job last week with banningand vaughn.
Absolutely, by the way, um, Iwas.
I was able to to log in.
You guys know me.
I'm got my freaking heartinvested into the show so I
couldn't stay away.
I I just got to check and seehow they're doing and the last
10, 15 minutes that I was ableto catch was amazing.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Man, I picture you watching that with a frigging
helmet, down there with someumbrellas, getting relaxing for
once, oh man.
A little bit of humor man, butI'm glad you got to watch a
couple minutes of it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh, it was a great time, for sure, trey.
I glad you got to watch acouple minutes.
Oh, it was a great time, uh,for sure.
Um, trey, I muted your mic forright now.
Bud, you got some feedbackcoming through while you're
getting your camera stuff workedout, so, um, but, yeah, uh,
that's that's kind of thepremise.
Now we have all sorts of thingshappening, so I want those in
the chat.
Everybody.
That's a part of what we'vebeen doing.
And the new people um, oh,constitutional country girl.

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The Country Girl said, matt,that everybody wants us to
interview Sean Paul, soapparently you've got a
connection to him.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I know Sean.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah.
So if we could do, we'll evendo a joint pod.
We'll interview him, do anactual podcast and then maybe we
can get him on one of the lives.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'll call him this week.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Okay, sounds good.
All right, we got trey back.
Uh, let me unmute your mic, sir.
And then, um yeah, you got alittle bit of feedback, mosley
oh for real yeah, if you couldturn your gain down a little bit
.
I'm not sure how you'reconnected in, but um, and he

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gone.
Oh, he might have his cameramic on, I bet that's what it is.
So anyway, um, yeah, people arewanting to get him on here, uh,
but to the point of all thestuff that we got going down the
pipe um, coming down the pipe,irons in the fire, if you will,
we're trying to get Matt his ownpodcast.

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So we want to get Matt apodcast set up so he can run his
own stuff and get the gueststhat he wants to talk and do the
topics that he wants to talkabout.
Again, if you go to our website, matt's got his own bio page
and we're going to get everybodytheir own stuff on the website
so they can start putting theircrap out there.

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It won't be crap if Matt doesit, but you know what I mean
Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I got lined up, though, brother.
I got a lot of people that wantto.
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Hell yeah.
So we're going to get thatgoing.
We've got Trey.
Trey's going to be doing streetinterviews, so we're going to
have him going out.
Hey man, you know he's going tobe talking to people about
controversial police topics.
They're just going to be quick,three-minute, five-minute.
You know everything's going tobe under.
It's going to be very short, somaybe 10 minutes or less, but

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he's going to be out thereactually doing live interviews
and then we're going to postthose and we're going to talk
about the stuff that you guyshave been asking about and want
to talk about.
So we've got that coming downthe line.
We're working on some goodsponsors that's going to give us
money to help do the stuff thatwe're trying to do.
We're not there yet, but it'scoming down the pipe.

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Let me see, we've got some goodregular old interviews coming
on.
We've got some other reallygood live guests that we're
trying to get going.
We're trying to get ourInstagram going on our live.
It's 140,000 other people thataren't a part of what we got
going right now.

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It's the one you see me in allmy reels.
So now that we're done with theformalities of that, let's get
to the comments.
Everybody's in here chattingaway.
Somebody asked what I'mdrinking.
I am partaking in some SmokeWagon the Younger.
So anybody that's beenlistening to our lives knows
that Smoke W wagon's my fave.

(11:46):
Uh, make sure you guys checkthat.
Uh, ghost patch needs to be fat.
I forgot about them, hoodies.
Um, let me see.
What else am I missing?
Um, oh, the whole premise ofthe live stream.
This is what we do, guys.
So if you're not used to theformat and I'm talking a lot and
nobody else has been talkingit's because I missed the last

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show, so I got a lot of wordvomit to get out.
The other thing to know aboutthe show is we'll pick a topic
or two.
Luckily, everybody that's ontonight has sent me some stuff
that they wanted to talk about,so we're going to hit all of
those and then the main part ofthe show the body cam reviews.
What we do is we'll watch bodycam footage that we've never

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seen and then we will pretendlike we're the officers in the
call.
So, rather than sit back Mondaymorning quarterback on
something we've already seen,we're going to walk you through
a call, as though we're in thatcall and talk about, and you'll
get a chance to see how trainingis and how it slightly varies
from region to region.
Matt's up in the Chicago area,banning's been in Oklahoma and

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the North Texas area.
He's been a city and urban, uh,rural, cop.
Um me, I've been a cop inMichigan, I've been a military
cop up in Montana and down herein Texas, uh, and I'm a
municipal cop down here in Texas.
Deadleg, where were you coppingat Kansas?

Speaker 8 (13:09):
Hawaii.
And then I was security withOhio State, the recent national
champions.
I just wanted to point that outthere.
The Ohio State University.
These guys.
I'm from.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Michigan and Deadleg is trying to poke the bear.
It's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Better luck next year is what they say.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Just remember, I'm still capable of writing
warrants.
And I'm not above the securitysystem.
You've seen my security system.
You ever heard of swatting mysecurity system?
I just.
You've seen my security system.
You never heard of swatting.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
My security system.
You guys hear the haterade.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, I'm a Wolverines fan through and
through, so anyway.
So yeah, that's what we do withthe body cam video, but the fun
part is for you guys to interactand to engage and talk about
all of that stuff.
So we've got a lot of people inthe chat.

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We're going to keep showingyour stuff.
Hopefully, if Alan's doing hisjob back there, he's
highlighting all the goodcomments.
Hopefully he's favoringeverybody on the YouTube channel
that is a member.
We've finally opened up ourmemberships.
So my mom is not a fan of OhioState, by the way, so she's also

(14:33):
a Wolverines fan.
Say something about my mom.

Speaker 8 (14:38):
Say something about my mom.
I talked to my mom at OHIO lastnight, so I feel very, very
good.
She is one that much closerthan the US.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Ah shit, who's your team?
Matt, who's your team?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was raised.
My daddy is from Las Vegas, soI was raised on UNLV sports and
we don't have much of a footballprogram or basketball anymore.
Yeah, we had a basketballdynasty back in the day, so I
was always stuck without acollege football team.
Dang yeah of basketball dynastyback in the day so I was always

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stuck without a college footballteam.
Dang yeah, it's kind ofdepressing.
I really can't say I'm loyal toany team, I just kind of watch.
But and then we met chicago.
Sports is all hell, yeah, goblackhawks we talked about that.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I'm a I'm a red wings fan, but I like the black.
I like any of the original sixteams.
Man, yeah, they're even badthis year too.
Yeah, yeah, tell me about it.
Greg elias, let's say, go bluelove it.
Shout out to greg.
He's one of my uh admins on myfacebook page, so, but let's, uh
, let's get into it.
Um, so, one of the first thingbanning, we're gonna bring up

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the one that you did.
Um, we're gonna get into avideo viewer.
Discretion advised.
We've already done that.
We have watched this one.
We actually talked about it inour group chat.
It's a bad one.
So it's the nope You're goingto do the this video really,
really upset me.
It's the first time I've seenit.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yes that's it.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So we'll share this.
I apologize, it's off ofInstagram because we're trying
not to get copyright stuff.
Um, oh, actually, no, that'snot the right one.
Let me click for you, bud thisone.
Share this tab instead.
So, um, now, this is an.
This is an older video.
So many of you may have seen it.

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But, um, so many of you mayhave seen it, but we're going to
play it all the way through.
Then we're going to discuss it,so go ahead and play.
I apologize for the small.
So, basically, this guy's inthe hospital for suicidal watch.

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These two officers in thereslap this dude by his handcuff.
I believe they're recording onhis own phone, so we don't have
any sound.
I don't think.
Actually, yeah, we do.
I'm f***ing.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
You see my cheek.
Go at it.
You got the right guy.

Speaker 13 (16:59):
Hey.

Speaker 10 (17:01):
I'm a what Do it?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
There.
Now you got the sound.
You got it.
Sorry, bud, me and Alan arefighting over the mouse.
Go ahead, alan, my bad.
Okay, can you smally size thatfor me and so Banning?
This was your video that youwanted to share and talk about.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I'll let you lead off , buddy, I got it sent to me and
I think it kind of reemerged onsome of the reels.
And of course people don't knowthe dates.
I didn't know the date I meanhell when it was sent to me.
But there's a lot of videosthat upset me.
But this one made me want toreally look into it, find the
department.
Invite these two cops out toeat if they're still cops and

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have a.
Come to Jesus meeting with them.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It just I'm telling you right now that's a scary,
scary thought of Manning wantingto have a come to Jesus meeting
.
He's 300 pounds of Tulsatoughness.
So I just made that up.
It's not Tulsa at all, but itsounded strong and I'm not
laughing to make light of it.

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It pisses me off.
It made me nauseous the firsttime.
I seen it.
Honestly, in my stomach I gotsick, because I think the
instinct for us everybody that'son this panel when we became
cops it was to help.
And then I felt helpless seeingthat dude cuffed, unable to
defend himself.
And let's talk about why he'sthere.
He's there for suicide watch.

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He was having a mental crisis.
Um, alan, I think.
Uh, trey said he's good, by theway, if you want to pop him
back up there, um, so yeah, matt, what's your thoughts brother?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
nothing short of treason.
Uh, prison, I mean, that's asdisgusting as it gets.
Like I have.
I have, no, no real sympathyfor what happens to them.
I I don't know what happened tothem, but if it was, it was on
me they would be locked up untilthey're grown and old.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I'm with you.
There's no discussion of doesthat deserve jail?
Does that meet the criteria?
That was straight up.
I mean, it wasn't just assault.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It wasn't just assault.
I'd love to see how many videoviews that got and just makes
like it just fuels the fire ofpeople.
They're justifying, uh, theirhatred of police.
It's right, that's just so muchdamage.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's the fight.
We have what.
It doesn't matter how many goodsmall deposits we have, all the
little good acts that we have,that we do all the time.
Something like that knocksevery good cop that's on this
panel back years.
It's an uphill battle.
And then what happens?
We get these videos sent to usand they're like well, you guys
keep trying to stick up for copsand da-da-da, and you got these

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guys out there and you're like,fuck, how do I argue that?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
How many times have you heard this is what y'all do
this?
How many times you heard this?
What?

Speaker 7 (20:12):
y'all do this.
What y'all do?
I hear that, yeah, yeah, I hearthat one all the time.
Yeah, right, what do you saywhen stuff like that comes out?
You can't say you just tellpeople like dog, that is one
example of many cops or nothinglike that, but I get shit like
that all the time like a lot ofhomies.
They'll send me stuff oh see,this is what y'all on.
Oh, y'all don't even saynothing.
I'm like bro, we can makevideos like this, but other than
that, I can't fly over there,demand that they fire these

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people.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I don't have that kind of power to do that Right.
So how do we combat it?
And I'm not trying to defend it, that's not what I mean.
I don't mean how do we combatit by defending it.
But let me go to the chat realquick.
Brandon Sterling Sr said don'tthink Big Red meant come to
Jesus moment, quite exactly theway you think he meant.
Yeah, I don't believe he dideither.
But how do we fight it?

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Well, one, we own it.
Yeah, like I'm with you.
Like, where I think cops reallystick their foot in their
mouths is when they try tojustify stuff or they try to
like play it down.
Well, okay, yeah, like I likethere, you know they could have
just been coming from a deadbaby call I'm like, and yeah,

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excuse for that shit stillprison, that's what we signed up
for.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
There's no excuse for that shit.
Still prison.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what we signed up for.
There's no excuse, I get tiredof hearing that you don't know
what they go through.
Yeah, we do know what they gothrough.
We signed up for this.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right, and that's where supervisors come in.
Guys like me.
This is where I hold othersupervisors to the fire.
If your guys just came off ashit call, that would fuck with
anybody's head.
Pull them, go, make them ride adesk.
If you don't want to send themhome and lose money for the
night, which I get, put them ona desk.
They can be useful somewhereother than the streets.

(21:53):
They don't need to be out there.
That's on the supervisors.
So when Tim said they need to beput under the jail, I agree.
So, supervisors, do yourfucking job.
Pay attention to your people.
Don't show up just because theycalled you and they need you
now, now that shit's already hitthe fan, be present.
I'm not saying micromanage yourguys, but be a part of their
fucking lives.

(22:13):
That's your job.
Give them tools they need tosucceed, be there when they need
help and teach them when theyneed to be taught.
I keep my guys out of a lot oftrouble because I prevent the
trouble from happening.
I see them do something.
I'm like hey, hey, hey, hold on, think about it.
And I challenge them.

(22:33):
I make them think Is that legal?
Do you have an offense?
Can we ask for his ID?
They're like, oh no, okay, sogo ahead Banning.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I mean just legislation is there.
It doesn't matter how manystripes you have or if you've
been on the job for one day.
If you walk in and you seesomething like this going on and
you fail to act as a peaceofficer to stop it, my whole
deal is and I think Eric, and Ithink everybody on this entire
panel would agree you walk in onsomething like that unannounced
, your sergeant come and checkon your guys, or just another

(23:05):
officer maybe come and relieve,and you see that I'm hooking
them on the spot.
Oh, you're getting lifted, dude.
Just, I mean they're, they're,they're probably gonna have to
be seen by the staff before theyleave.
Yeah, but I'm hooking them onthe spot, man.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I mean there's, there's no excuse, I don't care
even if he's, even if he spit onyou from there, even if he spit
on you from there, you don'tget to hit him.
Now, if you see the and he'sabout to let loose.
Okay, I'm, okay, I'm going tograb your face.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
I just had that happen to me, just like this.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, exactly, I'm going gonna grab your cheeks on
your face.
Relax, matt, I see you gettingready to hit me.
What you got to say, matt?
You look like you're about tolet loose I just the.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
The another thing that people get so tired of is
like, like we should go look thebanning route when you see this
stuff happen and then there's amonth-long investigation and
they're on death row.
No, they need to go to jailright then, and then you'd be in
bond court the next day aftersomething like that is
discovered.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
When it's that egregious like that.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
There's no gray area, nothingat all.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, that's why I can't stand these long
investigations like why is it aninvestigation?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
some video, yeah, and that's a lot of right there,
like the, the, the video that wedid of the inmate that was
killed, um, that we saw andtalked about and it was horrible
.
And, uh, auditors have shown upto the prison and they're like,
hey, we know a, a guy thatmurdered somebody that was in

(24:45):
handcuffs.
Can you guys go arrest him?
And it's like, well, no,because the investigation is
going on.
It's like people are tired ofthat.
It's hard to argue, like I getwhere they're coming from.
I'm like, no, I literally haveit on video.
Like they fucking assaulted andkilled this dude.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That was darn near a cartel video.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, listen, and this is for everybody out
there, even cops once the cuffsare on, they're your
responsibility Anything thathappens to them.
It's just like when you let around loose on your gun you are
responsible for the rounds thatcome out of your firearm.
You are responsible for theperson that's in cuffs.
You should be protecting themat all costs.

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They cannot defend themselves,except for the really skinny,
lanky women.
For some reason, they can becuffed behind their back and
they can use their hands likeregular people.
I don't know why I hit thatninja, they're like back there
putting their makeup on.
I'm like where's your cuffs?
They're like they're still on.
They're like back there puttingtheir makeup on.
I'm like where's your cuffs?

(25:46):
They're like they're still on.
I'm like what the fuck?
Yeah, that's annoying.
I know right, they're like yourcuffs are supposed to be on
behind you and they're like okay.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
And they just put them back behind me, put their
legs back behind you.
Yeah, like what the hell.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Put your hands back there, because that's what
anyway?
Um yeah, so in this, um, how dowe improve and where do we
think we went wrong?

Speaker 8 (26:12):
dead leg.
What do you got?
Well, normally, like we get, Iget sent a bunch of stuff all
the time and the cop work isugly.
That's ugly, that's hard tolook at.
You know what else is hard tolook at a dead baby.
You know.
This is how to look at a housethat you've been to for the
fifth or sixth time.
For the same, you know persongetting beat up.
So cop work is ugly.
So we know we get sent.
I get sent videos all the time.

(26:33):
Every time I'm like okay,you're looking for a react, you
know, are you asking forinformation on the case?
Are you looking for a reactionfor me?
Because that's that's twodifferent things.
But if you're asking forinformation on the case, I
always go.
There's usually context beforeand there's a lot more context
after.
That's going to help explainwhat's going on.
You can't explain that.

(26:54):
There's no, I don't know how youcan pen a report to get from
point A to point B, to whereyou're slapping someone on the
defenseless, on the cot I I justso.
It makes it even harder.
Like you said, this is going tosee the rounds and it's going
to be shared around over andover and over and over.

(27:16):
It doesn't matter that we knowthe disposition of this, because
we figure this out because thishappened in 2018, like we, we
know all this right, but thatdoesn't matter, because this is
the the age of social media andit can get brand new again,
cause the first thing, when I'dseen it, it was so bad.
I thought it was an AIgenerated dummy that was
reacting to somebody being hit.
I thought it was one of thoselike well, this is a funny video

(27:39):
I'm going to because it's it,because it's that bad.
Who's going to film themselveshitting a suspect?
Yeah, I mean, you're justcommitting assault on camera.
There's no defending it.
You can't get from point A topoint B and then, for anybody

(28:00):
that thinks this is acceptable,check your badge at the desk.
This isn't what you signed upfor.
If you thought this is what yousigned up for, that that may be
in the job in the 60s.
They may have been job in the20s, it's not the job in the in
the 2020s.
Right, you're not going to getaway.
Everybody's got a camera thesedays.
Yeah, like I said, that one wasfrom 2018.
That was about six years ago.

(28:20):
That's almost a decade ago.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
So I it's, it's horrible.
I knew this wise, um fairly oldcop that had said, like, when
you're in the uniform, that youshould just expect that you're
always on camera.
Um, I can't remember what videoI saw that on um, might have
been a matt thornton video, butwe heard you and you said why,

(28:44):
and it threw me off.
He said does Banning smile?
Yeah, he smiles, Are youkidding?
Me.
It's hard to see behind allthat ginger face rage.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Just that video man.
It's sent to me so many times.
I watched it too many times andgot really upset.
And I actually work with Fred.
Fred works with me.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
He's an outstanding guy, former law enforcement from
California as well, gotcha, wewon't hold that part against him
for being from Cali.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Ain't no role at that .

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Look at Trey, get him going.
So if you guys want to know theoutcome of that, you thought
you were mad.
Now you're going to get pissedoff even more when you find out
the outcome.
So, according to Police 1, thearticle, the follow-up is that
this guy had another, he had a$4 million lawsuit against the

(29:38):
department and he committedsuicide in between that, before
he got his settlement.
I do believe that the officerslet me go to the article here.
I'm reading it.
I'm not sharing it right yet,but I believe that he was jeez.

(30:03):
Oh Pete, this is a shittyarticle.
Where's the rest of it?
Oh no, I'm looking at the wrongpage.
Sorry, patterson Cops, that'swhere it happened.
What's that?

Speaker 7 (30:20):
Patterson Jersey.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yep.
The officers' names were ReubenMcAusland and Roger Thin.
They were sent to federalprison, so they did go to jail.
They pleaded guilty.
Now the problem was was thisman continued to have mental
anguish that was exacerbated byhis incident with the police.

(30:45):
He was already there for amental crisis and then,
ultimately, he ended up takinghis life before he even got paid
out.
So to sit back and think thatpeople's mental anguish
sometimes is faked or not asserious as what you thought it
was, my man was going to get $4million plus and still offed

(31:06):
himself, and part of that issuewas because of what these
officers did.
If that's not a black eye forlaw enforcement, I don't know
what is.
And it's hard for me and ushere up on the panel to even sit
back and like fuck man, here weare, we're trying to do a good
thing, trying to do good things,trying to show good things, and
I can't even sit back andpretend Like fuck, I don't know

(31:31):
how to recover from that.
And it's not even ourdepartments, it's not even us.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Man, yeah, that's crazy, it's some shitty cops.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
How do we get to the root of why that would ever
happen?
I would think there's a lot ofsolutions and a lot of things
that we dive into, and it'smultifaceted.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Right, I think one that is a cultural systemic
issue.
Within that department.
There's no cops that just goaround Like maybe a one-off,
maybe one dude that's fuckingreckless and does some stupid
shit.
But they were together and myboy thought it was a good idea
to record it while they did it.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, those are kids that have been like bad kids
from a house that's never hadrepercussions.
I mean, that was Right.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
That speaks volumes.
I think it also goes to somefantasy police world where
they're like I'm going to givethem some old school, like some
bullshit.
You would see I'm literally ona movie Like the whole take your
badge off, take your badge andgun off and let's go.
I'm like what the fuck world doyou live in?
Actually, there's a video outthere we probably talked about

(32:42):
it before where the dudeliterally does take his gun belt
.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I guess it was the champagne, I think.
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It was fun to watch.
I give him credit.
I give him credit, like I'mlike, bro, like.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I respect like what was that movie?
End of watch.
End of watch, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, like.
I'm like, like that doesn'thappen in real life, nor should
it, nor should it.
So California Citizen Watchsaid go after unions and
insurance carriers.
Go after unions and insurancecarriers.
That's the problem.
The unions are so differenteverywhere.

(33:24):
Like my union has no real power.
They have a little bit ofnegotiation power when it comes
to contract.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
That's mainly what they're there for.
Yeah, they don't do shit.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It ain't like NYPD's union, Matt is yours like that.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, mine is like yours.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I think that's a gross mischaracterization.
We can kind of discuss thatreal quick.
The unions aren't what y'allthink they are.
The only ones that are are likethe powerhouse departments,
like New York, and I don't evenknow that LA has a strong one.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
No, hell.
No, Not them either Right.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
So the state of Texas , if you look at legislation,
we're not allowed to have unions, we're allowed to have
associations, and that's whyit's a different structure.
So the state of New York isallowed to have unions.
North Carolina is allowed tohave unions up in the Northeast,
primarily where law enforcementkind of started.
The legislation still allows it.
But in the other states, thenewer states, you're allowed to
have associations.
And if you look at thedifferent bylaws, they do

(34:20):
different things, some of themsimilar, some of them not.
But we are definitely not aunion state in the state of
Texas.
It's just an association, justto put it a little lighter Right
.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
We got associations too Right.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, and we'll call them unions.
I mean, it's the same thing,different name but no, it
doesn't have any real power.
So I really think if you'regoing to be up against these
unions, you need to figure outdo they actually hold any power?
Cause most of the time theydon't.
They don't, they can't doanything.
All they can do really is sitnext to you while you're being

(34:52):
interviewed with IA or whateverit is and be like I wouldn't say
anything if I were you.
That's about all they could do.
You don't have to answer thatquestion, that's really it, and
your lawyer is going to be thereanyway.
So I don't think the I thinkthat's a common misconception
that these unions have thesepowerhouse things.

(35:13):
They don't.
There's just a few that do.
Nypd is one of those.
So but anyway, as far as that,I want to go to the comment
section.
Does anybody have anything thatwe didn't really get to?
Michael Riley saidUnfortunately, when you combine
high levels of power withreduction in responsibility and
protection from consequences,this is what you get eventually.

(35:36):
So glad to hear these guys wentto prison.
I think everybody on this panelis glad to hear they fucking
went to prison.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
The reduction in consequences, though that shit's
starting to turn around alittle bit, especially now, dude
2020 and up.
People are getting in troublefor all kinds of shit, Even
stuff that I think policeofficers sometimes shouldn't get
in trouble for they do.
I feel like these departmentsare trying to stretch themselves
out to prove to the public thatpolice have been held
accountable.
It's just that at some point itcomes to equilibrium, where

(36:07):
we're not getting in trouble forshit that we shouldn't get in
trouble for, but, as of rightnow, we just got to deal with it
.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I think I think you're right.
I think you'll see a lot oftimes that they're just like let
the grand jury decide if thisis a crime.
We're not, we're not going todo it and I'm like damn, like,
oh, matt oh, I thought you hadsomething to say, man, he's not
to tell my daughter let the dogout.
Oh, there you go.

(36:33):
Um, so, but yeah, um.
I'm looking at the commentshere.
Uh, it looks like we've got.
Uh, perry lemley said newjersey is a crazy union state.
Um, I see perry Perry on ourLinkedIn account all the time.
Fyi, by the way, guys, we havea LinkedIn account.
If you're a LinkedIn person,find our Two Cops One Donut
LinkedIn.
Make sure you follow that.

(36:54):
A lot of people follow myLinkedIn account.
I appreciate it, but everythingwe post is going to be on that
account.
I'm trying to get you all awayfrom my personal account because
if I ever do get fired, starttrying to get employed somewhere
else, like I.
I love y'all but.
I want that to be myprofessional account your union

(37:14):
ain't gonna save you.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, no, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
So, yeah, you ain't gonna save me if I get, if I get
booted out of there.
So, uh, matt everybody in thelast like five episodes and I've
been telling them I'm trying toget this fucking awesome
qualified immunity episode going.
I do want to do a qualifiedimmunity live stream.
We're going to do it.
You're going to see them in thecomments, especially your guys,

(37:38):
so just let your people know.
We're going to get it, Ipromise, but I want to have a
qualified immunity expert and aqualified immunity
anti-qualified immunity expert,so I'm not qualified to talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I only know it roughly.
I know the basics of it.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
And I say tear it down.
We got to do somethingdifferent.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
That's my opinion and I'm for it.
I like it because they createdit for a reason and I thought it
was good reasons.
We're not getting into this,Matt, but anyway the reason I
liked it was because I thinkthat in a job that you can't do
it perfect and expect perfection, I think that's where the

(38:24):
qualified immunity comes in, totry to get us away from that Um
you know that expectation.
Yes, it will be.
It's going to be fun and I justI asked people to have some
patience.
I asked my, our, our um, ourfollowers that help moderate
other people chiming in andtrying to troll, like Tim and Mr
Bill full and some of theseother guys like please quell

(38:47):
people for us.
We're going to get it, Ipromise I'm going to get it.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Timmy will go to war for us.
Yeah you will.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I love that we're going to get him on here.
Uh, he's got his stuff set up.
We got Tim.
I would have got you in on thisone, but, bro, we're full house
tonight.
I mean, we kicked Alan to theback just to moderate.
We told him he could poke hishead in every once in a while,
but he's back there sporting hisretro rifle.
By the way, I am wearing myHarambe retro rifle shirt.

(39:14):
Shout out to Retro Rifle, who'snot a sponsor yet Fucking Retro
Rifle.
There he is.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
Banning.
You better be taking care ofthat at SHOT Show, buddy.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I worked at a smart, didn't even realize they were
here until today, you have onejob, one job.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay, let's go to the next.
What was it?
Let me see here we did the.
Okay, this was the.
Oh, we don't have Daniel withus tonight, so we're not going
to look at his one.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
That would be a good one for having him on, right,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Daniel from Police Law News.
For those that don't know, heis a part of our panel.
He's the only one missingtonight.
He's got crappy internet but uh, he's a law enforcement.
I'm sorry, a law enforcement.
He was a law enforcementofficer, but he is also a past
the bar.
He's a non-practicing attorney,I guess you would call it.

Speaker 7 (40:20):
He ain't known a lot of shit.
I figured he was something likethat yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So, um, whose was this one?
I don't remember, but I'm gonnashare this one share screen.
I think this is the one I'mlooking at.
All right, we're gonna watchthis video here.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
I don't remember what is this the one you sent?
Yeah, that's what they do, thatthey're doing like't remember.
Is this the one you sent?
Yeah, it's where they do thelike a house.
Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Alright, so this one is Trey's, so we're going to
watch it, and then I'll let Treylead the way with this one.

Speaker 15 (40:59):
Derek House was heading home to his wife and
kids after a trip to Costco whenhe found himself at the center
of chaos.

Speaker 10 (41:07):
Real slow.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Everything real slow.
I'm going to shoot you in yourhead.
If you come up with anythingother than that, I don't have
any weapons.
I just came from Costco dude.

Speaker 15 (41:16):
House who lives in Downers Grove, is a longtime
resident of the western suburbs.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
That's not the right car.
This is the wrong car.
Yeah, this is the wrong car.
We're all good.
This is the wrong car.
Close that.
Yes, it is.
It's the end.
It's the plate.
Don't match.
The last four or five are wrong.
It's the wrong plate.

Speaker 15 (41:35):
Officers were looking for a black Tiguan, not
a gray Atlas, like houses withtwo occupants, not one.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
We thought you were the guy no, all right, you're
not.
I understand that.
All right, hey, listen, look atme, I f***ed this up Plus the
plates simply didn't match.

Speaker 9 (41:52):
In the totality of what they knew.
They ignored almost all of thatinformation.
Saw a black man driving aVolkswagen SUV and that was
apparently enough.

Speaker 15 (42:02):
House was released, but his attorney, Patrick
Provenzali, says this shouldnever have happened.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
You can imagine what Derek was thinking in those
moments.
If I make the wrong move,what's going to happen to me?

Speaker 15 (42:14):
Now House is suing the Woodridge Police Department
and those five respondingofficers, arguing false arrest,
excessive force, falseimprisonment and more.
Arguing false arrest, excessiveforce, false imprisonment and
more.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
All right, stop sharing.
I apologize for the littlevideo.
We could not find a full-sizeone for you all.
That's what we had.
But, trey, go ahead and leadthe way.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
From an objective lens.
I mean, yeah, the cops arewrong, but in a job where
there's human error likeeverybody I'm sure has made that
mistake I know I have.
Like where you point a gun at asuspect and end up being the
wrong suspect based on whateverdescription you were given and,
um, I don't see the.
I mean, yeah, it's wrong, but Ithink the cop did as best as he

(43:01):
can to tell the dude like yo,we're wrong, we messed up, and I
feel like he was trying to makeit right.
I mean, you can't necessarilymake it right, but he tried to
be as communicative as possiblewith him.
But then the comments and even alawyer, like, oh, it's a black
man, but that's gonna do a race,bro, like I'm very confident
that had him do a race.
But just seeing what thecomments have to say and how,
like people talking about see itdoesn't change.

(43:23):
It's been the same way.
They just found another blackdude and if you're black you
always got to worry about thisand it's like nah, bro, that's
not the case at all.
And I even got into a briefback and forth with a girl on
there in one of the comments.
But the main thing, I'll readone of the things she said.
She said that let really wantto think.

(43:45):
She said.

Speaker 15 (43:46):
She said that let me go to the comment that I said.
Here it is.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do do do, do, do
, do, do, do, do do fuckingrookies I think the question
will come down to, like thevehicle description that the the
officers that made the stop.
What was the description theyhad versus what was it was put

(44:25):
out?
Because we all understand towhat was told to dispatch and
what dispatch was relayed to,from the call taker to the
actual dispatcher, to dispatchesas a call to get to you.
You weren't like three or fourpeople deep in this telephone
game, you know.
Yeah, if the information waswrong, we're going to find out
through the investigation wherethe breakdown was and if it

(44:48):
wasn't a breakdown ofinformation that you just had
the wrong like.
This is where that I'm not aqualified media expert, but this
is where I believe this is kindof an example of that, because
if you were given informationthat you believed to be true at
the time and acted on that butit wasn't that, you believe to
be true at the time and acted onthat but it wasn't, but you
believe that that time that youhave to be able to.

(45:09):
This is a job that you have tobe able to make life and death
decisions like and understandthat people need to do this job.
Someone has to do this job.
Someone's going to call 911because they need help, because
someone's trying to hurt them orsomeone else they love, someone
has to answer that call.
There has to be people to dothat job.
It's a thankless job.

(45:29):
It's something that it's ahorrible job at times, but it's
a greatest job in the world attimes.
But people need to do that joband to be able to do that you
have to have a qualifiedimmunity, and I think this is
kind of an example.
But through an investigation,this will turn out that they
either qualify for the immunityor they don't qualify for the
immunity, because part of thiswhole thing is the first word
Did you have to qualify for it?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, trey, go ahead with what you found.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
OK, so yeah, the girl commented said the fact that
the black officer threatened toshoot him in the head in the
head means that all policeofficers are part of a system,
no matter what race they are.
None of them are friends.
So it's like she was mad aboutwhat the officer say.
He had his gun pointed at him.
Uh, I think that shit was alittle over the top, the exact

(46:18):
language that he used.
I'm gonna shoot you in the head, but I don't see, I don't have
a problem with you cussing whileyou got your gun in somebody.
That's me.
That's letting people know likeyo.
This is real, this is seriousand if you don't listen to
everything I'm telling you to do, it could end bad for you, but
the threat of like shooting themin the head.
I don't know, in Californiaespecially, that's like a huge
no-no, because we're superconservative in Cali.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
But I know that that was one of the things I should
talk about.
Okay, so I'll give you my pieceon it.
One there's two factors here.
One the information we get moreoften than not isn't accurate.
It'll be, you know, it's a blueMercedes and it turns out it's
an Aqua Acura, like we'll getthat all the time.

(47:06):
Is that fair to everybody onthe panel?
You get information that isn'tright.
Happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Everything looks like a Nissan Altima.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right, yeah, everything's an Altima.
That's the latest one, so thiswas from what I remember.
They said it was a tigua, isthat the name?
Yeah?
Yeah is that a volkswagen?
I think it is still avolkswagen, though okay, and
then the car that was pulledover was an atlas volkswagen.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
So both suvs without, without knowing.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Um, I'm pretty good with cars.
I'm not that versed inVolkswagens, but anyway, so dark
colored.
So a lot of times cops get thewrong information.
But here is where let me finishwith that thought.
So if you just happen to be acop, that all you got was the
description of the vehicle,which is possible, this is

(48:02):
something that is possible.
All they got was a description.
My man sees a dark coloredvolkswagen suv and was like fuck
, there it is, bam, and he pullsit over and that starts the
whole shit storm, domino effect.
Because somebody's gonna say Igot it over here.
Everybody's gonna rush in,nobody's gonna confirm because
they believe that you confirmedand that one dude only had the

(48:26):
description of the vehicle.
He didn't have the plate.
Okay, so there's that Now.
So look at the other side ofthe coin You've got the plate.
That is not something that getsscrewed up too terribly bad
often in police work.
You'll get most of that right,I would say.
Every once in a while I getsomebody who's a little dyslexic

(48:46):
, like myself.
You'll get some of it flippedaround, but overall fairly close
.
So the fact that they had theplate there isn't really an
excuse to be pulling over thisvehicle incorrectly.
I'll kind of lean towards thatif you had it.
So that's what we don't know.

(49:07):
This is the unknown informationon this.
We don't know if he had theinformation of the plate in
front of them and who pulled itover.
I'm going to give a shout-outto Kingslayer real quick.
It looks like he became amember on our YouTube channel,
super Chat.
On our YouTube channel, superChat, he says I'll never be okay
with officers swearing atpeople until there is zero

(49:27):
arrest for disorderly conduct,for swearing at cops for five
years straight.
I'm swearing with a purpose.
Here's where I let me give youone because you became a member.
I'm going to give you a quickanswer on that from my
perspective.
I'll let everybody chime in.
I'm with you.

(49:48):
You shouldn't be swearing atpeople.
However, if there's a purpose,hey, show me your hand.
Show me your hands, and they'renot doing it, and I know the
only thing left for me is to useforce.
And I say show me your fuckinghands, because I am trying it's

(50:09):
my last-ditch effort to useverbal before I have to go
physical.
So there's a purpose behind it.
I didn't start with it.
I didn't do it to demean.
I'm doing it because I'm tryingto show you the seriousness of
what I'm saying.
And that's my thoughts, matt.
What about you, brother?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I'm not a big you don't curse.
I don't curse very much anyway.
I just think that you, when youlook back and, uh, I've been in
meetings with state's attorneysand they're listening to this
and it's a bad look in thecourtroom if this goes to court.
Um, any case, that, if you, itjust really it really it's a
detriment to you, to a jury, topeople that think we're we're

(50:44):
rough and gruff dudes To me Istay away from.
But regarding that video,there's good faith things,
errors.
There's a big differencebetween good faith errors and
blatant misconduct, blatantviolation of rights.
We don't know everything aboutthe video.
I did say he did own it and I Ithink I think him cursing that

(51:09):
is gonna.
It makes it worse.
It's obviously it's a news clip.
They're gonna, that's the firstthing they're gonna play,
that's, that's uh, it, it's,it's just a bad look, just in my
opinion.
But you gotta be sure on stufflike that.
You really do gotta be sure,because you're gonna be pointing
a bunch of guns at guys.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You are expected to get that right.
Yeah, and to his credit, I lovethat that officer said it
wasn't these guys, it was me.
He said I fucked this up.
Like listen in an age wherewe're looking for accountability
.
You guys know me, I'm eternallyan optimistic person, so I'm

(51:46):
always looking at the, trying tolook at the best side of
everything that we see.
And I see this cop he knowshe's being recorded Come right
out and say look, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't look at
anybody.
I fuck this up.
I don't know how he did.
I don't know what he did tofuck it up.
I don't know if he was the guythat started the initial stop,
if he called it out, whatever itwas.

(52:06):
I don't know, but he's owningit, which is awesome, and that's
what we got.
Let me see here.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Interesting clip, though I want to get an outcome
from that trade.
Did you find out?

Speaker 7 (52:23):
No, I was trying to find out.
I couldn't find out.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It's actually right down the road.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
I'm sure he won something on the lawsuit.
It technically is falseimprisonment.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I guess yeah, it wouldn't be false arrest,
because they didn't actuallyarrest him.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
No, not a false arrest.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, but that was part of the claim.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
But he absolutely has a know, a lawsuit for sure I'm
gonna trade on it and stuff likethat.
When they come with the racialstuff there's got to be evidence
of of, you can't just throw itout there yeah right in the
world, not a catch-all.
Yeah, no I don't like that yeahum, yeah, so I don't like
either.

Speaker 7 (52:59):
I'm like, bro, because I mean, this profession
is primarily white, so I workwith a lot of white people and
I'm like yo, these dudes are notracist, bro.
It's like I work with thesedudes all day, all day, like I
know they're not racist but,that's the part that kind of
frustrates me, because you gotpeople who I know are not in
that light, like some of y'allhere.
It's like bro, I know y'allaren't racist, but you guys I

(53:20):
might get that label.
That's just kind of lame to me.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, on behalf of white people.
Thank you, trey.
Let me see.
I want to get to some of mysenior guys.
Mr Billfold, he is.
What did he say?
He said Eric, benny, matt, alan, have a good one.
I'm not here for gaslighting,copsplaining.

(53:43):
Oh, I don't know what we did tocop-splain.
Sorry, brother, but I think,from what I'm being told, he's
upset that we didn't show thewhole thing.
That's the clip we had.
I don't have another clip.
If you got another clip, great.
I don't have another clip.
If you got another clip, great.

(54:05):
But also, you pointed out thatthey they swore and said they
were going to blow his head offand all that stuff can't control
what clips we have.
It's just what we got, bud,we're not trying to hide
anything or do any of thatconstitutional country girl said
Eric, does that change thetrauma?
He was completely compliant,did everything right.

(54:27):
No, it doesn't change it.
I'm not.
I'm not excusing that at all.
There's no, I'm not excusinganything, if that's the way it
came across.
Um, that wasn't the intention,but I, I think, I think the fact
that, uh, that this officerowned it and is taking blame for

(54:47):
it, it's not going to get himout of trouble, it's just going
to put it on one person versuseverybody in that investigation.
That was like this is who theysaid to go to, like I.
This officer said they had himand so I came there.
That's how we all operate, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I think what hurts, though, is to piggyback off of
what was said earlier, foranother person to hear that
they're going to get their headblown off like that's why
verbiage like that, like I can'tride with it.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
There's other ways to effectively do that there's
other ways to say that yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
That's the trauma part.
Like dude, a cop says he'sgoing to blow my head off.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I'm going to remember that.
Yeah, yeah, that's the traumapart.
Like dude, the cop says he'sgonna blow my head off, right,
I'm gonna remember that forever.
That's why I'm against any talklike that and and I think we
get desensitized that on that aspolice, because we train in
that environment all the time,where you got your your own
police officers in a trainingenvironment saying the worst of
the worst to try to like rattleyou, to try to get you going and
do that stuff.
And then we get out in thefield and you do have guys that

(55:50):
talk that way and there's it'sone of those things is like it's
not against the law, it's apolicy issue, maybe at your
department just depends.
And like, for me, like I said,it's not how I talk, I don't I'm
not cursing at you, but I willsay show me fucking hands, like

(56:10):
trying to let you know.
Like dude, I just tried to bepro and now, like this is it?
You just took the?
The street side of me is aboutwhat you're gonna get.
Show me fucking hands, andthat's my go-to for anybody that
is wondering.
Like when I get stressed outand you're not listening, I'm
like show me fucking hands.
Um, that's what i-to foranybody that is wondering.
Like, when I get stressed outand you're not listening, I'm
like, show me your fucking hands.
Um, that's what I go to.
But uh, yeah, I'm with you,like you shouldn't be talking

(56:30):
that way.
So, um, and we don't even knowwhat they're.
What were they going after thisguy for?
Did they say robbery?
I didn't know what we weregoing after this guy for Banning
.
What do you got man, you'vebeen quiet.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I mean, I just have a big problem with the stop.
Obviously it's a lot of movingparts, it's what's going on.
But the whole fact that thevehicle was stopped and somebody
didn't announce I mean any timeand I'm not perfect, but when
I'm behind a vehicle and a Bolohas gone out, it's an
in-progress crime that's leaving.
And if they give a licenseplate number and I see a license

(57:07):
plate, it may be the sameidentical vehicle, maybe a shade
off in color.
Some people can be colorblind.
I'm still verifying that plate.
Now, if I have one letter offand I've got everything else
that matches and I canarticulate that everything else
matches, that's a differentstory.
But when everything was wrong,just from the short video that
we got to see, I would like tosee the full video and hear more

(57:30):
about it.
You know what we got?
It was so short, kind of justone-sided.
It didn't give us the call, itdidn't give us anything.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah, you know, and guys we don't like, we don't
preview these videos, soremember that we just got it Now
.
Trey did see it, but the restof us didn.
Part was uncalled for.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
That's not really cool.
I think Eric was justaddressing in times where it's
okay to use that type oflanguage, but not even saying
like the blow your head off,just curse words in general.
Yeah, there is a time for that,and it is.

(58:16):
And if I can use that insteadof shooting you, bro, I would
use that If I got to say, putyour fucking hands up or show me
your fucking hands.
If that stops me from shootingyou, bro, I'll do that a million
times if it stops me fromshooting you, but the whole like
, blow your head off.
Yeah, that shit wasn't cool, itwas uncalled for and I don't
think that was necessary at all.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, we got Alan looking for the full link to
find, or the full link, the fullvideo, because I don't want it
to seem like we're not trying totake the seriousness of that,
stop.
I believe you, guys when yousay it's even more intense when
you see the full clip.
I believe you.

(58:58):
I just and I'm not trying toexcuse the language by any means
so, because the comments are,so I would say they're all after
this video.

Speaker 8 (59:07):
So let's I mean that's a hypothetical let's say
this it's not.
I would say the worst of theworst would be that it is a
racially biased stop, that theywere just looking for a black
guy.
That would be the worst of theworst.
Well, let's just say they mixedthe information up in their
head.
They seen a vehicle that kindof somewhat resembled it, and
then just that's the onlyvehicle that they seen in the

(59:29):
area.
There's nothing else.
They do this stop.
They go through the entireinvestigation.
They find out that the officersthat did this stop were wrong.
What, what's the where do we gofrom here?
Do they get fired?
Do they go to prison for therest of their lives?
They just get retraining.
Is this a departmental policyviolation?
Is this a crime?
What do we have from here?
Yeah, guys, if you're sending.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I see somebody said it's on Fox 32 Chicago.
I can't share that stuff.
I can't share news links.
Yeah, the copyright will get usit's fine during the live, but
then once the live gets postedonto the YouTube channel, then
we'll get taken down.
Yeah, so, um, that's what wegotta be careful about.
What we do show, um, butanything from a news program, we

(01:00:14):
get boned, um, so we try not todo it.
That was on an Instagram pagewhich shows Fox 32, but it
doesn't ding us the same way.
So, um, which is a pain in thebutt.
That's why I got alan lookingfor it.
He knows what he's doing.
Um, what rami say here baninternal affairs investigations,

(01:00:35):
cops, investing in cops is atotal insult.
I disagree.
I disagree, um there's a lot ofchecks and balances and
protocols.
You're not aware of that?
I'm not aware of I'm not in IAbut I know that they've got a
lot of checks and balances thatshow the process throughout.
And then, like where I'm at, wehave a police monitor that

(01:00:59):
checks, that checks and balances.
It is not a cop, so I'm a.
I really I'm a big fan ofpolice monitors.
Now that I've interviewed onewe had one on the I got to talk
and really ask some questions.
I just would think that, or Ihope, that they have some sort
of background in the criminaljustice program.

(01:01:19):
That's all Mr Belfort said.
The only similarity Is thatthere was a black man In
Volkswagen.
The officers knew it was ablack sedan with Two people in
it.
So I'm Not disagreeing with you.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
I'm Not Even a step further sometime, like when
you're on like crimes inprogress type of thing I don't
know if it was just a Like abolo flyer that had went out or
if it was a crimes in progress.
But when you're when thatinformation is getting put out
on the crimes in progress, itmay start off like a dark colors
, dark color suv, dark coloredvolkswagen driving this, this

(01:01:59):
direction, occupied by two,occupied by three or whatever,
and you may have seen a darkcolor suv and maybe that's what
I don't know.
Like I'm just statinghypotheticals out there and
making you understand howinformation gets put out
sometime, like it's not just hey, a gray colored volkswagen,
this, this, this type of modelhere goes the plate.

(01:02:19):
Like it don't always come outlike that.
It comes out in pieces sometimewhen because when there is a
crimes in progress, one officergoes to the scene and they're
getting that information fromthe reporting party or whoever,
whoever is, uh, being a victimof this crime like they they get
the information from them andin the midst, when you're
talking to them, you don'talways get all the information

(01:02:40):
straight up, like sometimes ittakes a little bit of time to
get that person to give you allthe details.
So yeah and you're putting itout as you're getting it on the
radio.
So I mean that could that'sthat could have been why I led
to that bad stop.
I don't know, there's so manyvariables.
What leads to a bad stop,though?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
yeah, that's the problem with some of these
things we just don't have it all, and somebody said that
lackluster put it up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Maybe this is something we revisit on the next
one that we can all watch themore details and revisit this
one just to see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Yeah, I don't even um .
Mr billfold said yes,lackluster has it also, but this
show will avoid lackluster.
Like to play I don't even knowwho lackluster is lackluster.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's my guy.
I love that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm in, I'm game, bro, like there's
nobody I avoid, I promise you.
Um, king slayer, I want to givea shout out.
He said that, um, it's assaultwith a deadly weapon.
Is that what the call was?
Or are you saying that it'sassault with a deadly weapon
what the cops did?
Because if you don't have anoffense with this guy, I mean it
just depends.

(01:03:36):
Again, it was a bad video toreally get into without having a
whole lot of information.
So Alan took over my miles, soI'm letting him do whatever the
fuck he's trying to do.
You done with it, alan?
It looks like he's done with.
So, um, I'm going through thecomments right now, just trying

(01:03:59):
I want to make sure, becauseeverybody's got a lot to say on
this one.
Um, uh, the only one he'sfinding is from news.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
Yeah, that sucks, that's all I could find too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I wish we just had the raw body cam footage um
yeah, lackluster probably have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
He breaks down things in long in at length yeah, um,
what's this say?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
LinkedIn?
User said Eric in a stop andBanning rolling up on the shots,
fire call.
Both executed with the utmostprofessionalism, without
profanity.
I'd probably be swearing atBanning a lot of times.
Like move your big ass over.
Like bro, you're right next tome.
Like move, sorry, I'm rollingthrough the comments here.
No, we can't, matt, you're good.

(01:04:47):
I saw Mr Billfold saidsomething else.
He said I'm going to make somecoffee and calm down.
Mr Billfold, man, relax, we'reboys and hey, we're not always
going to agree.
That's okay.
Me and Matt don't agree oneverything, we still can be boys

(01:05:07):
.
love your points of view god welike it's okay to not agree,
guys, it's okay overall.
It's the oh, did we find it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
there we go anything other than that this is the
right.
This is not going to tell thatthe investigation will.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
What was going on beforehand that led up to this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
That's what Lackluster does a very good job
of getting all that informationout, so I bet his video will be
the best.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
So this happened January of last year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Okay, it happened during the cold, perfect timing.
Alan's trying to pull the videoup right now, so just give him
a second.
There you go, and we aresharing.
Welcome back to the lacklusterchannel.

(01:06:19):
Shout out to lackluster.
Hey dude, please don't hit Matt, Make sure he doesn't For
taking his stuff.
We appreciate him.
Shout out to Lackless hey dude,please don't hit Matt, Make
sure he doesn't.

Speaker 13 (01:06:28):
For taking his stuff .

Speaker 14 (01:06:28):
We appreciate him Rapidly from behind.
He pulled over to the curb toallow the vehicle to pass, but
it swerved in front of him.
Seconds later, officer DanielMurray exited the unmarked
patrol car wearing plain clothes, drew his gun and aimed it at
Derek's head clothes, drew hisgun and aimed it at Derek's head

(01:07:04):
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Officer Zachary Harvey arrived seconds later.
Jesus.

Speaker 10 (01:07:12):
That guy's being calm, do you understand?
There you go, there you go.
Come on out.
I've got to click the time Park.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Put it in park.
Put it in park Real slow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Jeez, at least he was able to think that way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
I'm going to shoot you in your head if you come up
with anything other than that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Ooh, that's not Lock it up, slow down, slow down.

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
Somebody shut off that fucking siren.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Again.
This is from Lacoste Media.
Shout out to them cover, cover.

Speaker 13 (01:07:59):
I got cover.
I got cover.
You guys wait for me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
Take some away from me, walk back to me.
Real slow, real slow, real slow.

Speaker 13 (01:08:08):
Now move hands behind your back Right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
I don't have any weapons.
I just came from Costco dude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
He's like I just came from Costco dude.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
You guys gotta be slow down on that.
We're gonna explain everythingin a minute, but we're gonna do
it safe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Came from Costco dude Child's seat in the bag man I
learned you want to put him inmy car.
Uh yeah, Did they say why theypulled him over or what they
were looking for him for?

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Is it in the description.
I'm waiting for them to tellhim I know, I must have missed
it at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
again, they're not communicating because you've got
people still showing up,running lights and sirens.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Have a seat.
I got you because you gotpeople still showing up running
lights and sirens.

Speaker 14 (01:09:48):
have a seat, um the officer assigned to drive radios
in to notify dispatch that heis beginning transportation, but

(01:10:15):
Derek wouldn't make it to thepolice station.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
They were reporting to a report of a shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Okay, they thought they had a shooting suspect.

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
It involved a different car with a different
place, different color anddifferent number of options.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
That's too many fucking facts wrong.
That's the right car.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
That's the right car.
I guess that answers a lot ofquestions.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
DuPage County, Illinois.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
What's frustrating is the cop that I like in this one
.
I also get pissed off aboutbecause he's like the voice of
reason.
I think he was being reasonablein the way he was talking and
doing everything.
Not the guy that said I'll blowwas being reasonable in the way
he was talking and doingeverything, not the guy that
said I'll blow your head off theother dude.
But then also he was like, yeah, transport him, get him down
there.
You don't even know you got theright fucking guy.
You haven't even confirmed it'sthe right car.

(01:11:15):
Like, where are you going totake him and start interviewing
a guy that you don't even knowis the right person?
Person like it obviously had tobe a hot call where they all
jumped in on it.
Have you even located a gun,shell, casings, anything in this
car?
Like what the fuck?
Okay, let's keep going.
Yeah, everybody was right.

(01:11:39):
We should have watched thisfull fucking video.
Definitely the way the mediapushed that other one.
This is way different, it's awhole different car.
Yeah, that's the reaction youshould have Fuck, let him the

(01:12:08):
fuck out.
Get him out of the car Aw.
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I'm giving you my prime password, alright.
You can hear a fuck Take himout Wrong car.
Take him out Wrong car.
Hop on man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
I mean I'm glad the investigative process worked
before it got even worse.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Take, him out of the handcuffs.
He's beating you up.
Okay, I'm going to give yousome information on who I am.

Speaker 14 (01:12:53):
We'll talk about what's going on, okay, but I'm
going to take care of thesehandcuffs first, okay, he first.
Okay, he's like I said.
I like it makes me mad.
I like this guy was falselytold that his vehicle matched
one involved in a shooting, butthis was not true, as neither
his car or his license platematched the suspected vehicle.
The vehicle the officers werelooking for was a black tiguan,
while derek is in a silver atlas.
The officers were also awarethat the suspect vehicle had two
occupants but they found derekalone.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
They had wrongfully detained and threatened his life
based solely on the first twoletters of the license plate All

(01:13:40):
right.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
That's why you're pushing handcuffs.
We thought you were the guy noAll right, you're not I
understand that, all right.
Hey, listen, look at me.
I f***ed this up.
Understand that I'm going togive you my card.
This is on me, absolutely,absolutely on me.
It's clear.
These roads have beenoutthreaded and they're shooting

(01:14:07):
me in the head, hands up, right.
This is ridiculous, okay, well,listen, this is ridiculous.
I've been out here for 15 yearsand never have I wanted in my
life, my man.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Nothing dude.
You have to look at it, man.
Nothing dude, that's it.
He's got every right to.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
That's it is unacceptable you are absolutely
especially you, harvey,especially you okay all right,
sir, can I get your?
Name.
My name is Derek House man.
I've been out here.
I lived in Woodbridge for 10.
I've been in Donald's world forthree.
Man, I'm gonna upstandingcitizen.
My kids go to school here.
I'm well respected.
That is wrong.
You're right.

(01:14:37):
You don't do that.
You don't do that.

Speaker 12 (01:14:42):
Anything else you want to say to here, you're
right, anything else you want tosay to me no, but sure, that's
what I'm doing, all right,you're right.

Speaker 14 (01:14:56):
Nearly four years ago, the chief of police
published this video to thedepartment's YouTube page.
Body-worn cameras.

Speaker 13 (01:15:04):
It's a project we've been working on for three years
.
We're happy about it.
It's going to increase ourtransparency on the police
department.
It's going to help us inevidence collection.
It's also going to protect ourofficers.

Speaker 14 (01:15:19):
Despite speaking about transparency, the videos
for this incident were notreleased for an entire year
after and still have not beenreleased by the department, and
have only been made available tothe public through Derek's
attorneys, as he is now suingofficer Murray Harvey, kielbasa,
cybulski, prendergast and thevillage of Woodridge for false
arrest, excessive force allright, I think we got through

(01:15:41):
enough.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Um, I got it, alan Alan.
So I want to address thiscomment.
The cop who threatened to killthis man should be in prison for
life.
I'll let Matt go first.
What do you think, man?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I mean it's definitely trash that he did
that.
I don't know about prison forlife, but it's got to be a
repercussion for that wholething.
I see the guy's using reallyhorrible tactics.
While he's doing it he's allamped up, he's escalating things
like that's how people get hurt.
Yeah, Um, that that needs to beaddressed and like seriously
addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, um, you know we do get a little overreaction.
Sometimes we get some extremeswhere, like, I need to be in
prison for like, come on, no,like there's plenty of things
that people do that are reallybad.
Somebody actually gets hurt.
Nobody actually got physicallyhurt in this trauma.
Yes, let's make up for thatmonetarily through.

(01:16:36):
You know the lawsuits andwhatnot justifiably so.
Um, fire them.
I mean that could be an option.
Retrain, go through some stuff.
Those are all options Banning.
If this was your guy, you'rethe chief and that was your guy

(01:16:59):
on this call.
What's your instinct on that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
My whole thing is.
We just spent I'm not sure howbig their department is, how
many is on patrol during dayshift, whatever all the
resources to the extent of whatthey just did to this man.
And now the guy that actuallydid the crime is driving away,
is getting away because wedidn't have a qualified person

(01:17:23):
looking at a plate, looking atthe color of the vehicle,
figuring that out.
And me, as a chief, I failed.
If my guys are out there doingthis type of mistake, I failed
and it's going to be a pressconference.
I mean, all you can do is putout a fire, but this is a blaze,
this is something that youdon't necessarily recover from.
You know there's a lot of copscan brush this off.

(01:17:45):
Oh, that was the first cop'sfault, everybody that's coming
to that scene.
You cannot just rely on thatfirst officer arriving.
You're getting the sameinformation over the radio.
More than likely.
You have the same access to theMDT page when you're coming to
the call.
We're all looking for the samething.
We've got to double, triplecheck before we light somebody
up Because, as we know, when welight somebody up with the

(01:18:06):
cherries and berries, red andblues, whatever you want to call
it.
We're stopping their motion,they are under arrest, or you
know, technically, until they'reeither free to leave or they go
to jail.
We got to have a reason to dothat, and in this case they did
not have a reason to stop thefreaking car, and I'm going to
leave it at that for now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah, mr B, a reason to stop this freaking car, and
that's.
I'm gonna leave it at that fornow.
Yeah, mr bill said the seniorundercover who initiated the
stop started the whole ballrolling.
Officer harvey threatening toshoot the man in the head
stemmed from a senior officerinitiating a bad stop.
I agree, um, I agree, yeah, um.
Mama g said thank you forlistening to us guys, for
investigating enough to find thewhole video and watching with
us.
Yeah, no problem.
I mean, if we haven't made itclear by now, I'm hoping we can

(01:18:50):
continue to do that, like we'renot hiding anything.
We're open book guys.
We fuck up.
We're not always going to agree, all of that.
Kingslayer said they had no RAS, which, for those that don't
know, is reasonable, articulablesuspicion.
Every cop knows they need RAS.
Therefore, they knowinglypointed a gun at someone without

(01:19:11):
and I don't know that theyknowingly did the one that
initiated the stop he's the onethat would be at fault, because
everybody else is just going offof what's called good faith.
If, if I got a guy says, I gothim over here, like I'm not
gonna question it, I'm gonna belike, all right, let's fucking
go, I'm gonna go help you.
Um, that's just the way it is.

(01:19:32):
Uh, michael riley said guiltyuntil proven innocent in this
video and took way too long toprove innocence too.
I wouldn't say prison for life,but I do like prison here
unacceptable.
Um, I don't know.
What do you think, matt?

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I.
It just all depends on and thementality that it was this.
Uh, is this guy just that slow?
Um, did he do this maliciously?
Did he just say I don't give af and I'm just gonna stop?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
right, whatever did he make?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
an honest fucking mistake, that's to determine.
Yeah, we don't know.
You'd have to know that stuff.
But yeah, I mean, if it was outof malintent and he just didn't
care he did this 10 other timesthen I don't have an issue with
prosecution.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I'm reading some of the comments, eric, obviously
has a drinking problem.
It's not a problem for me.
Not a problem for me.
Uh, I like doing it.
Um, damn it.
I had a comment that I wasgonna click and then, uh, oh, it
was this one, rami rami, givingme shit.
Man, he said eric, you're notfor change, you want to continue

(01:20:37):
seeing the innocent get injuredand expired.
I don't know how you got thatimpression.
I don't agree with you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:48):
You don't take time on your time off to organize
other people in the professionto sit down and be able to
articulate why something is theway it is because you want to
see people unalived.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Yeah, I dropped a lot of my own money just to come up
here and not want to see changeI hear that a lot, eric.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, I just I tell him, uh, about you, like eric
wouldn't associate with me if hedidn't really mean and want to
do this stuff right, exactly,yeah yeah, matt's got a great
reputation for being a dude thatdoesn't want change, like, like
I must.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I wrapped myself around a bunch of dudes that
want change guys, so, um, butthat's okay.
I mean, everybody can havetheir own opinion.
Uh, mr bill for these is what Ilike.
Mr bill for you, like romney.
Mr bill for like only I cangive levine shit hey mr bill,
you got to send me your address.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
man, I'm going to send you all the hoodie.
I love you, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I love it All.
My auntie Lisa's in the house.

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
Even sometimes when people say that they want to see
change.
Sometimes I'll be just wantingto show people what has already
changed, because policing is notthe same from the 80s and 90s
and early 2000s to now, bro.
It's not the same from the 80sand 90s and early 2000s to now,
bro, it's not the same, and Idon't care what everybody says,
it's not the same.
So so when people paint thatimage, sometimes it's just
showing people like yo, thisshit has came a long way already

(01:22:13):
.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Yeah, it's continuously getting better,
that's.

Speaker 10 (01:22:16):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I, I really do think law enforcement is continuously
improving.
Um, it's always got work to do.
Stinson said remember Eric'ssecurity forces.
They are dumb military lawenforcement.
They guard planes.
Hey, listen, just because youweren't smart enough to get in
the Air Force, garrett, garrett,I'll leave it at that.
I'm not going to try that lastname.

(01:22:37):
I joined in late, but I thinkit could be an honest mistake
that they could have been madeout of safety.
But, as I said, I joined late.
You said the wrong comment,garrett.

Speaker 9 (01:22:47):
This crowd is going to eat you alive tonight bro
Harrison Brock oh shit, I missedit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Kingslayer said Rami.
I disagree with these guys allthe time, but that's totally
untrue.
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Happy the Chinchilla, I lovesome of these names.
Two Cops Thanks guys,appreciate it.
Happy the Chinchilla, I lovesome of these names.
Two Cops One Donna Good evening, elio Brethren what do we got
here?
Shotgun in Tattoo.

(01:23:17):
So damn.
Everything's froze Must be allthat snow, not us.
But I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
turning me on to Lackluster, I feel likenton, oh
you gotta watch him.

Speaker 7 (01:23:28):
He got some.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I never heard of him, that's the first time I've ever
seen his stuff I've I didn'teven recognize the voice, so I
know I've never seen him I wantto highlight when he, when he
comments on my videos every nowand again it's like it makes my
day.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Bro, that was a legit breakdown like my man is good.
He's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
He's actually worked with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Him and Sean Paul.
Reyes have the attorney shieldthing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Oh really, yep the partner.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Fuck, that's cool, I like that.
So where are we at?
We're at an hour and a half.
We haven't even gotten to thebody cam breakdown side.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
So I only got.
I only got another half hour,bro.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
The mama's gonna be home don't be giving me that
shit oh, man, you better stickit out.

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
I'm here close to my time oh shit, are you dead yeah
I knew, dad, I knew I knew youhad to jet um.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
If you bounce, we'll let alan fucking pop his head in
.

Speaker 8 (01:24:23):
This is a great, good time to let one person come out
and another great producer comein.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Well, before you do go, let me know, and then, if
you got anything that you wantpeople to know and how to find,
go ahead, yeah this would be agood time because we're kind of
in between stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:24:38):
Failure Stop goes on Fridays, breakdown goes at 11
Eastern and then tomorrowmorning at 10 Eastern.
We do Fox, does F A, w K E Sand we talk about everything,
everything in the news.
So tomorrow we're going to talkabout all of the part or not
all, pardons, cause that's justthe entire criminal family but
we're going to talk about all ofthe new executive orders.

(01:25:00):
What's was written out in thelast 48 hours?
What's that mean?
Where are we going from here?
Where can we see the nextcouple of what we're going to do
?
But I do a lot with them andthen you're going to need a lot
of time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
He wrote a lot.
He signed a lot of them.
From what I heard, I don'tfollow politics, but um, oh, did
he bounce already?

Speaker 8 (01:25:20):
Oh, there oh, there he is.
That's what Alan was doing.
A good mod, he was perfectsegue, perfect timing.
He's like get the fuck out ofhere.
Alan's waiting.
It's been fun.
I'll catch you guys next weeklater.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Dad.
Appreciate you, bro, see youguys.
Bye brother, see ya.
People are giving you shit,trey.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
They're like Trey looks bored as hell did they go
down to the blackjack table, orwhat?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I know I don't know what he's doing.
You know that, dude, if he'sgot to go to the bathroom,
that's going to be some work onthat porcelain.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
That's a big man.
When is he going to talk aboutpardons?
That's on a different show.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Yeah, that'll be on a different show.
That's his.
I think it's going to be on theFailure to Stop stuff.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
That was a big one, you to stop stuff.
Oh, okay, that was, uh, it wasa big one.
One of my cases.
They got pardoned.
I don't do politics, but yeah,what do you mean?
One of your cases when I wasyoung, a big, famous case from
my city.
What, yeah, I got the guy gotgot off death row and got put on
a life.
Yeah, no shit.
Yeah, it was.
It didn't make me very happy.
Dang, that hurt two days beforechristmas.

(01:26:26):
I got to relive it.
It happened.
I was a rookie and it was uh, Imean, it's one that that
traumatized me for I still thinkabout every day.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
It was terrible wow no shit alan said, he got a big
one too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Um damn that's yeah, that didn't make me very happy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Yep, yep, let me see here.
I'm just looking at thecomments real quick.
Blue line flag is trash.
I guess we've had thatdiscussion on here before it
just depends on what it means toyou.
Yeah.
If it's about division yeah.
I'm with you If that's what youthink it represents For me.
I've said this before on herefor me, what the blue line

(01:27:07):
actually means is, if I die inthe line of duty, the people
that work around me, I know, aregoing to take care of my family
when I'm gone.
It's really what it is.
It has nothing to do with thepublic, to be honest.
That's what the thin blue linemeans to me, but there are some
people that think that that'sthe vision between them and the
bad people out there, which Ican understand.

(01:27:28):
That I think that's what itsoriginal intent was, but I think
along the way it may have gotmisconstrued amongst some other
officers and their stupid assideas of having Punisher.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
You know, tattoos and I'm like yeah it is corny, I
that it is corny oh mad corny,oh my gosh, yeah, god you know
it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
It's like starter kit for a cop.
Uh the oakley gas can glasses.
The punisher tattoo.
Uh the you know energy drink.
What else is there that's?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
like my man, will Mills, would say nasty work,
that's nasty work, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Banny's just gonna smile.
He's like who you talking about, banny?
You ever listen to a rap song?

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
do I ever listen to one?
Yeah country.
I don't actually don't man yeahI don't laugh, man.
If you I mean you want to sitback and sing some warren g
regulator, I could probably goline for the line with you right
now there we go hell yeah, butno, I mean I, I grew up with it

(01:28:38):
all man yeah, trey, too young toknow who Warren G is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
That's crazy.
It was a clear black night.
What's the next line?
Trey, Say it again.

Speaker 7 (01:28:55):
It was a clear black night.
I know the song, but I don'tknow the next line.
Benny, what's the next?

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
line A clear white moon.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Ah, he got it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
That's what's up Fucking poser, fucking rookie
poser.
Moon there may be.
There may be a karaoke videoout there of me.
Oh, you want to talk about bad?
It was horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
I mean I had every word on point, but I can't sing
bro when I before I became okaybefore I got in the military, uh
, I did drunken karaoke and Idecided I'm like I'm gonna
dedicate this one to my girlwho's my wife.

Speaker 9 (01:29:31):
I sang Superman by Eminem oh my gosh if you know
the words to that one, I fuckedup.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
I was in the doghouse .
Uh, it was supposed to be funny, it wasn't funny, so anyway,
all right, let's get to.
Let's get to the body, cambreakdown stuff, the stuff that
we we like to do.
Um, let me see, just uh, let go, alan.
I got it for a second.
I was somebody's comment poppedup so I was like, uh, just me,

(01:29:59):
do police really make societysafer?

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
I don't think so well go a day without police, see
what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Yeah, I disagree, sir Banning.
What do you think man?
Do police really make societysafer, or do you think no?

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
They absolutely do.
I know there's some people inthe crowd that don't want to
hear that, but they absolutelydo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Matt, what about you?
What do you think theyabsolutely do?
Come follow me around one day,one shift, we'll see it that's
all you got.

Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
Yeah, yeah, for sure right, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Okay, let's uh, just me, if, if, if your intent's to
troll this channel like I, I'mnot saying that's what you're
doing, I'm just saying if that'syour intent, um, you're going
to find yourself hard pressedbecause we don't rattle easy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
So yes, we will.
I'll admit that sometimes thatis not the case.
But you want to be general likejust come, follow us Right,
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
He said let's watch Eric continue to get sauce.
You will, I will continue todrink and sip all night.
That's what's fun about thisfor me.
Um, but you do, you, mrbillfold, just let me, or just
me.
You've never dealt with scarycriminals.
I don't call cops.
I or trust them, but we needgood cops for sure.
My man and, and if you don't,if you're the type that thinks

(01:31:17):
that police don't make any safer, don't call them 9-1-1 is
optional.
That's why I tell people at workhandle your business um, but
all right're going to get tothis video.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
Alan, you can take, you can take over.
Now people are putting up theWarren G comments making that
that is good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Oh my god, I listen to that thing on replay, bro.
Okay, we've never watched thesevideos.
If any of us have, we won'tcomment.
We'll let the others talk aboutit.
These are all from PoliceActivity on YouTube.
Be sure to check them out.
Police Activity, all one word.
They've got 6.34 millionsubscribers and we basically
just use them exclusively.

(01:32:00):
We've used some other stuff,but there's really no point to
get away from it.
Make sure you like, subscribe,follow those guys, because their
stuff is the shit and it isunfettered, so I like it.
Let's go Biggie, size that shit.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 10 (01:32:18):
We will be pausing often.
Police, oh my gosh.
Hey how you doing.
Ma'am, my daughter's scared.
She's like she don't knowwhat's going on.
No, are you okay?
Yeah, All right, I'm OfficerMcFarland's detective who wants
to talk to you guys.
About what Are you missing?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Okay, I would say so far it looks like we may have a
domestic.
The thing that throws me off isthey say we have a detective
here, so they're like makingcontact for the detective that's
on scene.
So from my training andexperience, this seems like it's
a follow-up so far on somethingBanning what do you got Not?

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
enough yet I'm not going to read what's at the top.
I'm trying to let it unfold alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Okay, anybody else got an intake on that one, we do
it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
If a detective's there, it's usually going to be
a follow-up.

Speaker 7 (01:33:11):
Yeah, a follow-up.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Yeah, so I don't feel like this is a hot call.
I feel like this is a follow-upto some investigation.
Okay, and she seemed to betaken by surprise.
Keep going.
Oh, my God.
Is he home?
Where is he?
He's here.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
Where Hold up, no, hold up, hold up here, ma'am,
where is he?
No, no, no, hold up, no, so Ican talk to you.
Is he in his room or where?

Speaker 10 (01:33:37):
No, he's sleeping.
Okay in the back here.
All Okay in the back here, allright, cool.
Just don't close the door on me.
You can go get him if you want.
Okay here, don't close the dooron me please.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Okay, pause it.
Please don't close it.
Okay, so on this him tellinghim not to close the door, I'm
leaning towards this guyprobably has a warrant.
That's my vibe off of that.
Exactly what I thought too, andif that's the case, he's got

(01:34:10):
every right to tell her to keepthe door open, because now we
know we have a wanted personinside the house, because she's
confirmed he's in the homesleeping.
Am I wrong on that Banning?

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
You're not wrong on that at all.
But the whole I don't know hernormal voice, but what tells me
is, I think he's listening tothe conversation right now and
in her heart she knows that thisofficer opens the door, it's
about to go south and I thinkand this is I haven't seen this
video but just with that voice,inflection, the way she's acting
, you know her bodily actions,is telling me that he's about to

(01:34:40):
be in that danger zone and Ithink she's trying to
subliminally tell him you'reabout to get and this is again
Banning's opinion on it but Ithink it's about to go bad real
quick.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Yeah, a lot of rabbit ears or red alerts from her
tone and what she's saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, she seems terrified I mean terrified even
when they first opened the door.
So yeah, trey, how are youhandling this from here?

Speaker 7 (01:35:06):
I'm mainly trying to get I like to.
If I know he's in there.
My main thing is to try toseparate her from that resident.
That's like the first thing I'mtrying to do, like come on and
talk to me, trying to get her tome.
So that way, if it you know, ifwe come down and we do got to
go in, we can plan a little bitbetter than like if you step in
and you see the dude in his ownand cracking, like you can't do
nothing about it.
But uh, my main thing is tryingto get her out to me but I

(01:35:29):
would do the same.
If you're trying to close thedoor, I'm not gonna close it on
me, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
But yeah, um, like I said, that's if we have a
warrant.
This, this can't be just somerandom um, what we like to call
is a knock and talk.
A knock and talk is a totallydifferent thing.
That has to be consensual.
But if it's a warrant, thattakes away that consensual side
of things.
Rami said never open the doorfor a cop unless they have a

(01:35:53):
warrant.
Always record them and alwaysinvoke the Fifth Amendment.
Ryan, I agree with you thatyou're right, absolutely,
absolutely, brother.
I'm 100% with you that you'reright, absolutely, absolutely,
brother.
I'm 100% with you.
You're damn right.
Don't talk to them.
I tell everybody don't trustthe cops, don't trust them.
They're trying to get theirs.
That's what we do.
We're trying to catch bad guys.

(01:36:19):
So they need to be morearticulate.
Right, banning very highpitched voice.
Yeah, like I said, somebodysaid they think it sounds like
they just woke up.
I don't agree with that and I,the way that they came to the
door, the cops hadn't evenknocked on it yet.
That tells me that somebodythat was alert and paying
attention to outside the house.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
I bet, if you had more light in this situation,
you'd see a carotid artery goinga million miles a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That's another way that we dosee things.
You can see somebody's heartrate if they got that distended
neck going, for sure let's keepgoing.

Speaker 12 (01:37:01):
Inside the house, in the back room, apparently
sleeping Mom has opened the doorfor us.
Is there any dogs?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Nope, nope, I'm backing out.
Pause it From here.
I don't have eyes on and I gotanother closed door, so I really
have no advantage.
I'm backing out.
I know that he's in there.
I'm hoping we have a warrant.
We did.
We still don't know that.
This is our assumption.
But if we do have a warrant,I'm backing out, I'm setting a

(01:37:32):
perimeter and then we're gonnago to the communications from
there, loud hailing.
Hey, we know you're in there,come out, talk to us.
Um, that's me, um, and I don'teven know what this guy's wanted
for.
So, trey, what do you think,man?

Speaker 7 (01:37:46):
Nah, I'm definitely dipping out of the house right
there.
There's no.
I mean you can, but that is notsmart to go up in there after
she just closed it like that.
So now we're back out trying todo call outs, use the PA system
, get more resources there, seta perimeter, that kind of stuff.
I mean asking for a squadalready is kind of crazy.

(01:38:09):
You don't got enough for that.
But you could definitely getmore units there, more resources
, canine helicopters, differentstuff.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
I used to love and I'm not trying to interrupt here
, but I used to love onsomething like this.
Let's say, it's a medium ochre,It'sre, but it's a.
It's a felony warrant, but it'snot against a person like a
violent warrant.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yes, what I'm going to do is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
I'm going to get my day shift guys to hopefully
knock this guy by himself downon traffic to where.
You know what I'm saying, towhere?
In a rural area, you know a waywhere nobody else can get hurt.
A in a rural area, you knowways where nobody else can get
hurt.
A lot of people don'tunderstand what a fatal funnel
is, but that that officerstanding in what's called the
fatal funnel, walking in thatdoor, he does.
There's a lot of unknowns inthere.
It could be another room.

(01:38:52):
It may be a really smallbuilding that may be broke off
into four small rooms in there,and that's that you're going
into.
Hell's them.
Yes.
And them, or more, yes, andunless that person is a direct
threat to somebody in that houseright now, we're going to back
out and discuss let the highestranking person say that decision
that we're going to do for thatevening, or we may, what you
know.

(01:39:12):
If it's not, if it's a non, youknow not really bad warrant,
fucking wait.
There's no reason to get ingoing, you know, like john wayne
, and go and do shit out.
Wait until it's a proper timeto take the picture.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Yeah, what do you got Matt?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Exactly what Banny just said it's time and a place.
It all depends.
And if it's that dangerous,then why are you going in there
with just two of you anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Yeah, it almost seems like they were hoping they
didn't run into him.
Is he here?
No, okay, thanks, we appreciateit.
And then the time of night.
That's another thing toconsider.
It's 2136, so that's prettylate at night to be going making
contact with a home, you know,for a detective.

(01:39:57):
I've never really seendetectives hitting up homes that
late at night.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
I've seen some with nighttime detectives.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying
it's uncommon.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yeah, I sure should.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
I was a detective, I was a banker, I was for me Right
and honestly, if you're dealingwith a violent doper, they're
sleeping in the middle of theday anyway.
So it's like the good time togo see them.
But no somebody anyway.
So it's like the good time togo see him, so, um, but no um.
Somebody had said you know, itmight have been an illegal entry
.
It depends.
If you know you got a warranton this guy, then we have a

(01:40:31):
different ball game.
We don't know enough yet.
So um eye of the night, saiddoor opened up doesn't mean you
have a right to come in it.
It depends.
We don't know yet.
Don't know if they've got awarrant.
So if they do, yes.
If not, you're right.
Play.

(01:40:52):
Sure.

Speaker 11 (01:41:02):
You do have a warrant to enter this house here
.
No, no, no, Ma'am.
I have a warrant for him.
We have a warrant.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
We have a warrant.

Speaker 10 (01:41:12):
Yes, come on.
No, what the hell is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Oh yeah, my boy had it ready Shit.
So we confirmed we have awarrant, got a warrant for this
person.
So now we've got an arrestwarrant for a person that the
resident confirmed they werethere.
So now we've got thearticulation.
We need to be able to go intothis house.
Now, like I said, me personally, the moment she closed the door

(01:41:43):
and back, you know, the momentshe closed the door, I'm okay
with them stepping into thehouse, but when she closed that
door, I'm backing out.
Be like, all right, fuck this.
We need more people.
He's in this house, let's dothat.
Garrett said bad tactics, youdon't always have to gain ground
.
I've heard a lot of people sayyou don't want to lose gained

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ground, but that's not safe.
Yes, I'm with you.
I, I understand having theknown that's what we call it.
Where I'm at, it's the knownlike.
I don't want to give up myknown like.
That's fine, but you putyourself in a fatal funnel.
There's no need to stay there.
Yeah, back out, it's you,they're contained within the
home.
So let's, let's use some.

(01:42:25):
I and I'm not a tactical guy,I'm not that dude, I'm not, you
know, swat handing it everywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:42:29):
So for me, uh, like perry says perimeter guess what
not for that, because why's notcoming to that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
um, hey, do me a favor, throw up tim owens
comment.
The second one down let's talkabout this for a second Said I
thought you had a have an arrestwarrant and a search warrant.
So I'm going to go just for asecond, because this was I get
asked this from from fresh lawenforcement coming out of the

(01:42:57):
academy all the time becausethey can get confused.
They just had the drink frompardon my pun drinking from a
fire hose the whole time duringthe police academy.
It's a lot of information.
And then they're trained topass a test and now comes the
real training on what is what ifthey have a good FTO.
And I'm going to give everybodyan example that I think I can
kind of break it down.
You're a beat cop, you get outof an apartment complex and

(01:43:22):
you're walking and you haveblinds open and you're on a
sidewalk it's public view andyou're looking as a peace
officer dressed in uniform andyou look at somebody that you
can identify that has a seriousfelony warrant.
I'm talking, you can 100%identify this person.
You may have helped with thecase.
You know that's the person thathas the warrant.
He doesn't have a twin brother.

(01:43:42):
There's no doppelganger thatmatches him, you're 100% sure,
and you go and you knock on thedoor first.
It's a warrant.
Whatever they don't answer, canyou enter that?
I can speak for Texas on this.
If it's a serious felonywarrant, yes, you may enter that
premises if you notice thatthat person is in the house.
For me personally, it's goingto have to be a pretty serious

(01:44:04):
warrant for me to go in, tobreach that opening and go in
and grab somebody.
But no, to answer your question, you don't have to have a
search warrant on top of that,but you have to be 100% factual
that that person is in the house, and that's where I don't want
people to get twisted on.
Oh, you can't.
You have to be 100%.
And that can be a reasonableand prudent person at the door

(01:44:27):
as an adult, telling you he's inthe back bedroom.
You know, mike Smith, the guywith the warrant is in the back
bedroom, that has the warrant,that is reasonable and prudent
and yes, you can do it.
But again, it's gotta be apretty serious warrant for me to
go in there and snatch thatperson.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Yeah, um, um, somebody said I think it was, uh
, maybe rami rami said, um, andand I just want to point this
out because he's right uh, I wassaying eric would not be a cop
without qualified immunity and,yes, colorado is still a nasty
police state.
I don't know about that.
But no, I, I would not havebeen a cop without.
Now.
I'm, I'm in, not gonna leavenow, but, um, if they decide to
abolish qualified immunity, likeme being, like doing any

(01:45:08):
proactive police work is done?
oh hell, no yeah I'm just gonnasit back and supervise, not
gonna do shit, and I'm a veryproactive person.
So, um, but no, you're notwrong, I I definitely.
If it pro.
If qualified immunity wasn't athing, I wouldn't have become a
cop.
Nope, you're right, absolutely.
I need a buffer in good faithwhen I'm trying to do the right

(01:45:32):
thing and not have frivolouslawsuits.
That could be for anything.
That's just me so.
But Eric looks a little morelike Brian than Quagmire Fuck
off.
And for those trolls that keeptrying, shut up Matt, look at
him laughing.
You, fuck off.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
We love you, brother.
That's why it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
For the trolls that keep trying to go at us like,
listen, we could ban you.
That's not our style.
I just want to point that out.
We're going to let you keeptalking.
We're not going to stop as longas you don't get racist and you
don't promote violence.
Those are the only two things.
We're not going to let you dothose.
Everything else go ahead, Idon't care.

(01:46:22):
Yes, I would stay a cop, he'slike.
But would you stay a cop atthis point?
Yeah, I would stay a cop atthis point.
Let's continue with the video,though.
Yeah, I've been a cop too long,I can't go now.

Speaker 10 (01:46:32):
I got no other skills, ma'am, I have a warrant
for him.
You have a warrant.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
For you.
Yes, Come on.
What the hell is going on?
Come on.

Speaker 10 (01:46:40):
What the hell is going on?
Oh shit, Let go of the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Pause.
Okay, he did exactly what Iwould have done, what I've been
trained to do.
You don't have time to drawyour gun.
You have to attack the threat.
You have to get a hold of thatweapon and direct it away from
you.
You're too close.
So for all my cops and militaryguys that are watching where

(01:47:09):
you often get killed in thesesituations and I am a use of
force expert is you try to drawyour gun.
You're already behind the curve.
You don't have the time You'regoing to lose.
So he attacked the threat withhis hands.
That and listen to what eric issaying.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
He's not saying.
If the guy is across the room,non-reachable right area, we the
gap is already closed.
The guy is within less than ameter.
You've got to act, you've gotto get that thing, and that goes
for for protecting yourself outon the street too if somebody
comes up and tries to mug you.
I'm not going to sit here andgive defensive tactic lessons by
any reason.
But, freaking, get that barrelaway from you.

(01:47:48):
Yeah, you bring that thing, getit out, and usually whoever
gets that gun to center is goingto win.
But again, not going to, notgoing to teach you all that, but
that's all that officer'strying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
I will absolutely teach you all that that was.
This is my expertise.
This is where I shine.
Um, this is what I have taughtto recruits.
Um, this is what I have basedmy whole career around.
Is is use of force and controltactics.
Um, this is where.
And and then property crimes.
Those are the only three thingsI'm going to brag about in law
enforcement.
So, for me, what this cop didwas beautiful.

(01:48:20):
He attacked the gun.
He didn't go to his gun, sogood on him for doing what he's
doing.
So from here, I am going to getboth hands on that weapon.
I'm not going to try to do thisyou know, john Wick shit and
control it with one hand.
Pull my gun and try to do someother shit.
I'm going to control that gunand just keep the muzzle away

(01:48:42):
from everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Matt, what do you think?
I'm the same way.
I've been in that position witha knife actually Too close you
got to just grab it, oh no.
Attack the wrist, yeah, wristcontrol.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
You have to go for it .
I would rather have to dealwith a gun that close than a
knife.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
That was not uh, it was a little pucker up there.
They get them golden gloves.
I learned your jiu-jitsu wristcontrol and that one okay, I
like it yeah, we didn't end uphurting.
I think I got my partner tasedthem how much?
Boxing.
You got how many years?
Yeah, uh, it's been from about30 to 30, it's probably about

(01:49:24):
five or six years like straightstraight, doing it like every
day okay, okay, I've got about.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
I got about two years of straight, but now I just I
work.
I don't do any training, I justwork the bags and stuff I do
workouts with it but yeah like Idon't.
I, I don't want to sit thereand pretend like I'm, you know,
up there, muhammad Ali style,but it definitely helps out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
I said two years, it was about a two-year period.
It was straight like real fight, sparring every single, like
three, four days a week.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
Okay, that explains the brain damage.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Oh, yeah, the CTE.

Speaker 10 (01:50:08):
I got you, I got you , got you.
That's the cte.
So yes, all right, let's keepgoing sound like a drop so he
said it's unloaded.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
I didn't even hear a shot fired.
Let's go back.
Go back to the first contact.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Quick question what's ?

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
the question.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
If you grab that entire slide, can he get one
shot off.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
Depending on the make and manufacturer he may be able
to get one.
Depending on how the andmanufacturer he may be able to
get one.
Depending on how the hammer andpen is On a Glock.
You got to infuse quite themotion on that slide.
Yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Well, the thing is when you pull the trigger, it's
not the slide.
The slide is a reaction.
Yeah that's okay.
It's not the action.
So you pull the trigger, thefiring pin goes forward and hits
the bullet.
So if there's one in thechamber, it doesn't matter if
you're holding that that slide.
It's going off now.
It's not going to put anotherround in battery.

(01:51:12):
That's right, okay, I know, Iknow it's either one or none.
Yeah, now, if you don't have around in the chamber and you
pull the trigger, nothing shouldhappen, um, unless there's a
gun that sends a round up intothe chamber as you pull the
trigger.
I don't know of one that doesthat.
So no, it shouldn't.
If you grab the slide andthere's a round in the chamber
and you're downrange, you'reeffed Like that's a bad spot to

(01:51:34):
be in.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
And if you grab it and it's a revolver because, yes
, there are still many, manyrevolvers out there if you have
a thick, freaking, massive gripon that, that gun around, only
you've got that manning.
I don't care how strong you are, it'll take your skin and just
wrap it because that cylinder isgoing to turn when they pull
that trigger.
That cylinder is going to turn,it's going based off the

(01:51:56):
trigger pull and it will wrapyour skin up in there and you'll
get some, some nice littlescars on your hand, yeah, from
that.
So yeah, just be careful.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
At least the barrel's not aimed towards you.
Yeah, I'm going to quickly sortof address this Again.
Not an expert on qualifiedimmunity, but the abuse of QI is
only a small part of theproblem.
The immunity of the lawyer isstronger agreed.
And the judicial immunity iseven worse Totally agree, thank
you for pointing that out.
And the judicial immunity iseven worse, totally agree, thank
you for pointing that out.
And for everybody that has aproblem with qualified immunity,

(01:52:26):
just remember, it's not thepolice that do the qualified
immunity, it's the judges.

Speaker 7 (01:52:36):
They're the ones that have the call of whether or not
a cop qualifies for thatimmunity or doesn't.
Somebody said in California youneed a search warrant if you
are led into a residence orother establishment.
That's not really true, if likehow would you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Are you a california cop?
Of course, okay.
I just want to get that outthere no, like what danny was
saying.

Speaker 7 (01:52:56):
Like yo, if you see somebody, you know that that's
them.
Through the window you can go.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
You don't need to search one for that, bro right
or you have a credible personbeing an adult that's inside the
home verifying that that personyou're looking for is inside
about firsthand knowledge yeah,yep, and the people that are
googling that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
That's gonna.
That's gonna go under what'scalled reasonable and prudent.

Speaker 7 (01:53:19):
It's gonna be a normal person or if you're
chasing somebody and they run upin there like bro, you can't oh
, I need a warrant now?
No, you don't.
That's hot pursuit, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Run right up in there behind them if you want to yep,
or if you know they have awarrant for their arrest.
You know they're in there.
Now you can.
It doesn't have to be in hotpursuit.
You could see them run into thehouse and be like, oh he's in
there, let me go up there.
Harrison Bragg said who thehell is using a Glock when you
can get a staccato?
alright, fucker $3,000 and trustme, my department has approved

(01:53:48):
them, so I want one.
So bad, they're, so expensive,but I have a Glock, bro, could
you imagine staccato?
Or two cops, one donut broughtto you by staccato me, trey Matt
, everybody just sitting up herejust holding on to our
staccatos while we're talking.
No, we're not drinking?

(01:54:12):
Do you all carry the samepew-pew and doody off-duty as
you do on-duty?
Okay, so here's my thing oncarrying on-duty and off-duty,
no matter where it is.
If my department carries Glocksand that's what I'm used to
using, that's what I carry offduty.
When I worked up in Michigan,we carried six, so that's what I
carried off duty.
Cause when shit hits a fan, Iwant to revert back to what I've

(01:54:34):
been trained with.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Well, were you guys carrying a P two 26 or what was
it?

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Yeah, I don't want to go down the gun road.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's whatwe had.
And then down here in Texas I'mcarrying a Glock 17.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
So all my off-duty guns are Glocks.
I'm with you.
I liken it to a baseball batback in the metal bat days.
I like the one that I used tohit with.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
It's the one I carry all the time, my favorite One
mag in the firearm firearmitself and I had three on the on
my carrier and that equated to69 rounds and you know if you
need more than that yeah, yeah,that's a problem, um, but yeah,
my my, let's go back to theglory days.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
My old little league bat was the black magic by
easton with 32 ounce, 33 ounce,um I I don't remember the ounce,
to be honest, but the BlackMagic was the name of it.
That was my bat, that was myfave.
But I want to get to the point.

(01:55:35):
It looks like he's drawn rightnow.
If you're looking at the video,I'm going to put the mouse and
everybody listen.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
Sorry, go ahead to put the mouse and everybody
listen.
Oh sorry, go ahead.
When that, when that, when thatit appears the officer's guns
coming around and you guys tellme it might be my old man ears,
but I think I hear a round gooff at point blank.
Tell me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
When we go into this, okay, all right, I'm gonna hit
play right there was where therounds went off.

Speaker 10 (01:56:00):
I heard bop, bop, bop.
All right, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Right, there was where therounds went off.
I heard bop, bop, bop, Allright three.

Speaker 10 (01:56:12):
Yeah, I'm going to go back again For you.
Yes, Come on.
No, what the hell is going on,no what the hell is going on.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Contact shot.
Contact shot.

Speaker 9 (01:56:25):
Contact shot.
That's what that was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Okay.
So he held the gun with hisoffhand, drew, pressed it and
fired one round.
That's pretty fucking gangster,like no lie.
We're not trained for that,guys.
At least I've never seentraining for that.
That was like I'm not trying todie and he just came up with

(01:56:51):
that shit on the fly, so I gotno issues with that.
That was fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
And then he makes a comment on the floor that that
gun that he pulled like that wasunloaded.
Yeah, that's what's crazy.
And then he makes a comment onthe floor that that gun that he
pulled like that was unloaded.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Yeah that's what we call suicide by cop.
Tim said I just carry myex-wife around, she will kill
you with her looks alone.
Oof, fucking Tim.
If you guys don't follow Tim onTikTok, please follow that dude
.
Tim is a legend, he is.
I love it.
Mosley's got to jump.
Mosley, let him know, man.

(01:57:27):
Let him know what you plan todo for TCOD man.

Speaker 7 (01:57:33):
I'm still working on that, bro.
I just got off of Third Watch.
That's why I ain't postednothing.
I was on Third Watch.
Oh my God, I was struggling bro.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
I got you, I watch, oh my god, I was struggling, bro
, I got you.

Speaker 7 (01:57:47):
So, um, I told him about the street interviews.
Yeah, that's like one of themain I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to start doing thatuh hitting up like the malls and
stuff like that, just askingpeople what their perception is
on police, and not tell them whoI am.
Let them get they, get they gettheir opinion off, and then
I'll say who I am.
Okay, just to have uh bringpeople back to like a, a
position of reason.
That's my main thing okay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
So, trey, um, do you have an email or anything um
that you want to put out now sopeople can start sending you
questions that they want you toask the public?

Speaker 7 (01:58:18):
that would be kind of a cool interaction thing uh,
just dm me on instagram, that'sprobably like the quickest way.
I'll check that every day okay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
So if you guys go to the two cops one donut website
two cops, one donutcom, findtrey's bio in the bio right
there.
We have all his links andyou'll be able to hit him up on
his social media if you gotquestions that you want him to
ask the general public.
Um, yeah, highlight that oneright there.
Uh, I want to give a shout outto uh brand r 86.

(01:58:48):
He became a member uh baker'sdozen level.
Uh, two cops went on it humbly.
Thank you very much.
What we do uh on here uh is onlyable to be done because of
people like you that helpdirectly support the show.
So thank you very much onbehalf of all of us on the panel
.
The ultimate goal, guys, is toget money to every single buddy,

(01:59:11):
every single buddy, everysingle person on this panel, so
they can put that towards theirbills on what they do.
Because Matt has to use editingsoftware and everything that he
does and his internet bill andwhatnot, to help put out the
content he does.
Same thing for Trey, same thingfor banning.
We're not looking to make money.
I'm just looking to cover ourbills for what we're trying to
do.
Um, because every single one ofus on the panel have been going

(01:59:35):
in debt to support a cause webelieve in.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
My mind's cause.
There's blonde standing righthere.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Oh, show her off.
Come on, there's a blondestanding right here.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Uh-oh, show her off.
Come on, ma'am, get over here,let's see Two seconds Life's
about family.

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
There she is.
What's her name?

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Danille the Legend oh , that's her on your shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:00:00):
I'm sitting here thinking it's like a singing
group or something that I don'tknow about that's mama.

Speaker 12 (02:00:06):
No, I bought this for him for Christmas.
Do you like it?

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
That is hilarious because when we went to the
Dominican I just got back.
Can she hear me?
Yeah.
Okay, so we just got back.
My wife, we went with familyand friends from high school.
Now our kids we haven't beenable to go on a vacation for
like 15 years because all of ushad families.
Well, we all got together.
We all come from differentstates.
We went to the Dominicantogether, our wives secretly

(02:00:32):
behind our backs.
They all got bathing suits withour faces all over them.
My wife, their wives all hadour faces all over their bodies
Hilarious.
I would not do that to my wife.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Don't give her ideas man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
We literally went around for like 20 minutes and
hadn't noticed to the pointwhere they're like, do you like
my swimsuit?
I'm like, yeah, it looks cute.
And I'm looking at them like,is that my face?
Yeah, hilarious.
But no, she's's like I'm out,I'm getting out of here.

(02:01:13):
Uh, ozark moon said hey, mrsmatt, I love it.
Uh, is it just me?
Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm goingto the comments here.
Uh, just me.
Okay, I understand you have amental disorder.
Best of luck.
I don't know who.
Oh, just oh, they're talking.
See, brother, that's theproblem with having a weird name
.
Just me.

(02:01:34):
What are you trying?
I'm out of that.
We're bridging that gap.

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
We're bridging that gap.
We're trying to we don't makeany, you know, and just so
people that may have this firsttime watching, we don't make
money doing this.
We're trying to combine ourexperience.
We love the community, we tookan oath.
Some of us are active, some ofus are retired.
I'm retired, I can say thatright now, barely retired.
Well yeah, I'm about to become areserve again because I do have

(02:01:57):
some spare time that I can getback to the community, and when
you're reserved in Texas, you'redoing that.
I don't want to say for free,but you're not getting paid by
the department.
You're being an auxiliary unitto go out there and help.
So we're just trying to buildthat or bridge that gap to where
we can truly give you what's onour minds when we watch these
videos and give you our twocents about it.
We want you all to be able tointerject, give your opinions,

(02:02:18):
like you all have been doing agreat job tonight.
None of y'all are going to becompletely swayed, and we get
that.
That's not what this channel isabout.
We want your opinions on here,Eric.
I want you to add to that, butthat's just Banning's opinion on
why we're doing this to beginwith.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
So what I love the most about what we do.
Mr Belfort said I joined tokeep this thing going.
These guys let us speak ourminds and they take it like
champs more fair and rationalleos engaging with the public
like this.
This is the change.
Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
You get what we're trying to do mr billful, what's
your size, by the way?
Put it up there on the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Swole well um, but uh , to everybody out there um,
what, what banning's getting to?
And what I'm trying to put outthere is like you guys keep me
level.
That's the only way I canreally describe it.

(02:03:10):
This is the problem with policework and this is full
disclosure.
We're in a fishbowl and whenyou've been in law enforcement
for so long, you only see a lawenforcement perspective.
One of the things that I loveabout having y'all on here is it
brings me back.
I grew up in Flint, michigan.
We weren't exactly fans ofpolice Let me put it to you that

(02:03:31):
way and I definitely wasn't thebest kid growing up.
So the whole premise of whatyou guys do and the way you guys
present your stuff and tell usyou keep us level, you bring me
back to that baseline.
I'm not hearing that fishbowlecho chamber.

(02:03:52):
That is police work.
So LEO, what is LEO?
Law Enforcement Officer?
So shout out to Tim.
Tim just spotted us some moneyon our YouTube channel.
He says here you go buy a donut.
Tim Owens on YouTube also saidpair care, oh I'm sorry.
So there you go buy a donut.

(02:04:14):
Tim Owens also gave us somesupport there.
I was trying to highlight.
Me and Alan are battling overthe mouse.
So this is a problem with amoderator and a guy that's been
used to moderating the wholetime by himself.
I keep stepping on Alan's toesand that's my fault.
But Tim Owens brother,appreciate you so much.
You really are helping out whatwe do.

(02:04:34):
Thank you so much for that.
But yeah, that's what we got.
I want to keep going with thisvideo.
We didn't even finish thisvideo.
It's the beauty of this.
When do you got to go, matt?
About five minutes.
Okay, we'll finish this video.
You can go if Banning can stayon.
If he can't, I'm going to keepgoing tonight.
I got the energy.

(02:04:55):
I wasn't here for the lastepisode.

Speaker 4 (02:04:58):
Vegas is open 24 hours, brother.
So you want to go all night,we'll go all night.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Hell yeah, bro, we're going to keep going tonight,
guys.

Speaker 10 (02:05:08):
So let's fucking go.
Shots fired, shots fired, don'ttouch the gun, it's unloaded.
Suicide by cop oh pause it94-40, officer in Bob's shoe.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
Did you hear what he said?
The suspect it's unloaded.

Speaker 7 (02:05:24):
No, no, he said suicide by cop 94-40 officer in
Bob's shoe.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
I'm going to go back, there you go.

Speaker 10 (02:05:32):
Shots fired, shots fired.
Don't touch the gun, it'sunloaded.
Suicide by cop.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
Right there.
Oh wow, that's his voice.
He's the same.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
It's his voice.
He's the same as unloaded.
That's the first time I'veheard that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
I've never heard that before.
Holy shit, Like he owned it,Like there's no question now.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Yeah, that's Wow.
That takes care of a lot ofInvestigation work right there.
That made their job easier.
Wow, that's unfortunate thathe's that desperate.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
Yeah, that's crazy.
And, man, you guys tell me whatyou think.
I don't think we need to watchany more of that.
Hopefully they get to themedical aid and all that stuff.
Here's what I want to get to onthis with y'all is his mental

(02:06:35):
distress here.
How do we fix that?
And I'm going to offer asuggestion that I just literally
came up with while we'resitting here.
I think part of the problem isis not understanding the arrest
process and what goes into itand how the CJ system works, and
I'll elaborate on what I meanon that.
The unknown.
I think that is a big problemfor a lot of people, and this

(02:06:57):
guy could have been in and outof the system.
I don't know, maybe this is thefirst time he's ever been
arrested and it's for somethingserious and he knows it.
But that fear of the unknownand not knowing the process and
not knowing what to expect,could we help fix that by
creating some sort of trainingprogram in school?
Now, I really hope this isn'toverstepping, I apologize, I'm

(02:07:21):
just brainstorming.
Teaching kids hey, some of youwill get arrested and this is
what that process looks like.
When you do get arrested,here's what to expect.
This is what will happen, basedon the severity of the crime.
Here's normally what happens Ifyou get arrested for something
small, you'll be bonded out veryquickly more than likely.

(02:07:42):
If you get arrested forsomething small, you'll be
bonded out very quickly, morethan likely.
If you get arrested forsomething big, you probably
won't.
This is what that looks like,and show them what the
step-by-step thing is.
Do you think that would help,or is that too far, matt?
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Along them lines.
I think that there's a lot ofpeople with experience that can
tell young people that mypartner is a perfect example.
Two of my partners one did nineyears in the penitentiary, one
did 30, that there's a lot.
That's not the end of the road,that this is nothing we can't
walk through.
And even if you're going towalk through some horrible
stages, you can come out.

(02:08:18):
And it's not the end of theroad, it's not worth your own
life.
But yeah, along those lines,education like this, just a
reassuring, because that is thething unknown.
I've talked to people thatthey'll call me like panic.
That thing in their life isover, over a deal, suspension
ticket, hearing that they got togo that's how panicky people
get because they don't know andthat's mental torture.

(02:08:40):
We all as cops know Every timeyou hear your lieutenant say,
come to my office, that unknownterrifies you.
We know that.
So there's got to be a way thatwe can I like that thinking to
educate and show people it's notthe end of the world and it can
trickle down not just withsuicide but with like running

(02:09:01):
and causing like high speedchases over petty stuff because
you're afraid to get right, likeit can.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
That's a good line of thinking.
You think that, yeah, that'skind of what I'm getting at, is
I?
Because I think a lot of timesit's the ignorance.
And and when people hear me sayignorance like relax, all I
mean is lack of knowledge, likesome people get really bent out
of shape about that word.
Oh, you call me stupid.
No, you just don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
I'm ignorant about a lot of shit I've got a ton of
ignorance on and I'm learningevery day.
I mean, I just turned 46yesterday and I'm still learning
like a child and I don't knowwhy a grown man would get a
throat tattoo.
But you know like neither is mylieutenant it's just me like it

(02:09:46):
doesn't you know jealous manbecause you can see my neck,
obviously banning would be atattoo artist's wet dream.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
All that real estate, jesus, all right.
That milky white canvas theywould have.
Freaking love it.
Oh shit, christian christianholsey appreciate.
He said hello, can you react tothe jacksonville sheriff
officer involved shooting wherea cop accidentally discharged a
gun while removing?
Oh yes, we have that queued up.

(02:10:15):
I'm so glad you reminded me.
Oh, you can't go yet, man, thisis a good kind of damn it
mama's giving me that.
Look, all right, I'll let yougo, my bad homie, uh so matt let
everybody know where to findyou.
I'm gonna let matt peace outreal quick, but yeah, so we're
gonna get to that shooting uh,my youtube detective, matt
thornton, my tiktok, believesthe same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
Mfbuorg is my organization.
Um, hit me up anytime.
I love doing this.
I love the change that we'remaking're making because we hear
about it every single day.
I love our team.
One cop, two donuts.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
I don't even know our name.
Come on bro.
One cop, two donuts Fuck it, Ilove donuts.

Speaker 2 (02:10:52):
Mama's putting stress on me.
With that look she's giving me.
I'm under pressure.
She's like get off, man, I lovethe team that we got man and I
really, really appreciate it.
I'm going to be more availablenow, Hell yeah, brother
Appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
We appreciate you.
God bless brother, Thank youvery much.

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
Hit on 16.
Hit on 16 every time.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
There you go, I'll let you know tomorrow when.
All right, love y'all, see youlater.
All right, brother, take iteasy.
Hell, all right, love y'all,see you later.
All right, brother, take iteasy.
Hell, yeah, there we go.
All right, let me uh.
Which video is this?
Okay, I, I have it queued up.

(02:11:35):
I just got to find it.
Give me one second.
I know I've got one of these.
It's when they're.
It might be one of theinstagram videos.
I'm sure that's.
That's not it.

Speaker 4 (02:11:42):
That's not it I gotta get more water in my cup here.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
That's not water, my ass.
Who are you trying to kid?
It's smart water, carbonated,carbonated asshole.
Um okay, I may.
I may have lied.
I thought I had that videoqueued up.
Damn it, we can pull it up.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
We can pull it up yeah, we're gonna pull it up.
We're gonna pull it becauseeverybody's been asking about it
.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Um, I'm gonna find it all right, give me one second.
What is it called again?

Speaker 4 (02:12:15):
I don't know, but make sure you get the video with
fucking everything in it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Oh, oh, I did have it pulled up.
I was trying to show me I gotit.
I got it, guys.
I got it.
Share this tab instead.
Why is it not sharing View whatis happening?
Give me a second here, guys.

(02:12:39):
Alan, go ahead.
Yeah, you got it, buddy.
Alan's like quit taking mypodcast.

Speaker 4 (02:12:43):
I'm just going to say , before you hit, play, man, I
love our audience.
Our audience has gotten amazing, especially since we got on
here.
We've got an amazing audience,man, and I love the interaction
I love the ones that thinkthey're going to rattle us.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Like, keep challenging us, I love it.
All you do is make us better.
That's us.
I love it.
All you do is make us better,that's it.
You just make us better.
Because sometimes I read it andI'm like inside, I'm like
fucking guy, shut up, like allright, how can I use my words?
And then you help me figure outways to use my words better.

Speaker 4 (02:13:15):
So you're making us better hey, mr, don't hit, play
there, it is okay.
So mr billfold just said this.
I'm going to tell you somethingright now.
It's about what.
Two, three weeks ago Ericcalled me.
We were just getting.
We tried to touch base on thephone.
So do Alan and I, and we alltry to talk and we can.
Eric is like dude.
I was sick, I had foodpoisoning and Alan drove from a
long distance all the way toEric's house.

(02:13:36):
They had a planned thing to getthe studio, some work done.
Eric was dying in his bedroomand Eric can tell it better, but
I'm going to tell what Banningremembers and basically Alan
busted his ass for several hoursand Eric jokingly on his
deathbed.
But he felt like everybodyknows what food poisons.
I mean, it's horrible.
And Eric wanted to present Alanjust as a thank you gift here's

(02:13:58):
a nice bottle of fill in theblank and he didn't even be able
to get that to him because he'sfeeling such like shit and it's
not like just an hour drivefrom where Alan lives.

Speaker 15 (02:14:08):
So this is from me to Alan from Erica to Alan.

Speaker 4 (02:14:11):
Thank you very much for what you do in the
background.
That is very.
It's a blessing to have youhere, brother.
We appreciate what you doAbsolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
Yeah, I I now I feel like a dick again.
I forgot how much of an assholeI felt like before, Danny, but
you just reminded me it wasn'tfor that I just want to
highlight our man, eric.

Speaker 4 (02:14:30):
We know how much work you do on the side.
We see all the reels.
We know truly what your heartis here and to see this kind of
come together each week on theselive broadcasts are great.
There's a lot of great live copYouTubers out there.
I don't know any of them thatactually go live like we do with
a captivating audience, and Ithink that's where we're a
little different.
We don't kick people off.

(02:14:51):
We try to identify ourknowledge, what that question is
, and give you the answer thebest that we can.
It doesn't always win everybodyover, but we're here to answer
as many questions as we can.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
I agree.
All right, sir, let's go aheadand play that beautiful bean
footage.
Biggie says that for me.
Hell yeah, all right, shout outto Jacksonville Police.
Although this is, I've seenthis, so I have not seen this

(02:15:23):
one.
Oh, okay, beautiful.

Speaker 13 (02:15:32):
I won't say shit.
Lower your windows, all of them.
What's up my man?
Hey, timmy, hey, you got avalid driver's license, proof of
insurance, all that good stuff.
He blew that red light.
That light was yellow andturned red.
When I went out there, it wasred.
When he blew it, it was yellow.

Speaker 11 (02:15:48):
Okay, hey, Banning, does it matter if they sit there
and argue with you?

Speaker 4 (02:15:54):
To me, it doesn't, I'm not going to have, you know,
we're not going to have courton the side of the road.
If I'm confused, I'm not goingto stop them, and that's the way
I was the whole 21 years that Iwas in there.
And I'm going to tell you howmany times I've been to traffic
court and that's zero.
I'm not going to write somebodya ticket unless it's completely
valid and just.
Usually I have three or fourthings and I'm only writing them

(02:16:15):
one.
I'm not a big ticket writer.
To begin with, it's going tohave to be a school zone type of
thing.
I never have been a big ticketwriter and I've never had my
bosses come to me saying youneed to write more tickets
because that just didn't happenin the departments that I was in
.
Go ahead, sorry.

Speaker 13 (02:16:33):
I agree, I saw it.
It was red, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
Well, we got proof of insurance I'm going to pause it
real quick.
I love getting to the commentsbecause it's really about the

(02:16:58):
comments guys.
So, um, brandar86 said withyour talk about qualified
immunity, don't fully abolish it.
Change the coverage of damage.
Police stations must havecoverage for the officers.
Every proven violationincreases their premium and I
think he had one and it comesout of their paychecks like
doctors.
So that's an idea.

(02:17:21):
I'm not against that, it's notterrible.

Speaker 4 (02:17:24):
Well, there's always vicarious liability, and that's
what people don't realize.
So you have liability for thedepartment, the department's
going to be liable for everyswinging police officer they
have under their blanket, andthen the vicarious liability
falls onto each officer.
More of that's going to be inthe civil realm after the
criminal is done.
Either it's criminal or it'snot.
And then you're going to go tothat civil side and we're going

(02:17:44):
to bring that bank ofprofessionals to come in here
and explain it to everybody.
But the vicarious liabilitypersonally aims at that officer
to his retirement, any type ofassets he owns, his family owns.
That's where that opens up forvicarious liability.
So people need to understandthat as well qualified immunity
is.
If it's not qualified, then allthat gets opened up and that

(02:18:06):
qualification has to be therefirst.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
But yeah, yeah, I.
I think that um keep qualifiedimmunity the way it is.
Let the judge figure it out.
If you qualify for it to beginwith, um, but if he decides that
you don't, well then there wego, because everybody's like go
after the officer, guys, you'renot going to get shit.
Cops aren't rich.

(02:18:27):
They've already got threedivorces, a lot of them You're
going to be splitting.
The thing is is a lot of peoplethink it's going to save
taxpayer money.
It's not.
They're still going to sue thedepartment.
That's not going to change.
They're still going to sue thedepartment.
That's not going to change.
They're still going to sue thedepartment and they're going to
sue the cop.
That's not going to deter thecop's activity necessarily.

(02:18:50):
You're just going to getshittier and shittier officers
down the line.
That's just my thought.

Speaker 4 (02:18:57):
I've only had two divorces and three marriages.

Speaker 11 (02:19:01):
Hey, you still got time, I'm one of the freaks.

Speaker 1 (02:19:03):
I've been with the same woman since damn near
seventh grade.

Speaker 11 (02:19:07):
See, I'm with you on that one, eric.
Yeah, which is rare.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
It's rare for a military person or a police
person You're 18 years old inthe Marine Corps and you get a
fancy dance club.
Yeah, and you're 250 pounds ofjust pure Marine muscles and got
all the big red you can haveright.
Yukon Cornelius over there.

Speaker 13 (02:19:32):
Just hang tight.
You got anything crazy in thecar.
What do you got?
You got a gun.
Where's that?
It's on you as long as you'recool.
No man, I appreciate yourhonesty, that's awesome.

(02:19:54):
Um, so you have a, you haveconcealed carry and all that
good stuff.
No, you don't.
All right, you're not convicted.
Feeling right, nothing, okay,all right.
So what we're going to do isjust for my safety, your safety,
I'm going to have you step out.
All right, fair enough, we'rejust going to remove the pistol
from you?

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
No, and then we're going to run your lives to make
sure everything's good.
No, I'm going to send you onyour way.
Amendment suck a dick.
No, my man told you he had aweapon.
Told you.
Maybe he did or did not tellyou where it's at, but at least
he told you he had one and thatit's on him.
I don't have a crime other thanyou running the lights traffic

(02:20:33):
offense.
I do not need to disarm you.
I don't need to disarm you.
I'm in texas.
Everybody's got a fucking gun.
No, I don't.
I.
I hate when cops do this.
I understand it for some.
If I run the plate, I got somesort of violent offense or
whatever.
Hit warrant hit whatever.

(02:20:55):
Cool.
You pulled this dude over forrunning a light or running a
stop sign, I don't rememberwhich you're just inviting
yourself for more problems whenyou do that Right?
Hey, dude, I like how he startedoff.
He did really good, okay, cool.
Thank you for letting me know.
Please just don't reach for it,and that's where it ends.
That's where it ends.
There's no need to disarm acitizen.

(02:21:15):
That is their fucking right.
A right isn't just somethingthat's okay when it's convenient
.
It's a right.
You have it when you're bornBanning.
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (02:21:29):
We're already under a lot of problems here.
Meaning that officer If I wasthat officer and I decided to
state that out loud we'reinviting problems he's told me
he's got a gun.
Hey, that's awesome, dude, letme get your driver's license
proof.
Venture in the state of Texasas.
Boom, get that.
Go back, conduct your business.
He hasn't given me any otherreason.
It's the state of texas.
I mean, I'm out in the middle ofnowhere and hunting usa to

(02:21:52):
where everybody.
Oh, my god, I'm gonna get me adeer this weekend.
I mean, that's right, that'swhere I patrolled after the last
time and I love those guys,they're great guys and gals and
I had 308s hanging up in the inthe friggin back of the trucks.
I mean you could go by some ofthe high schools up here and
they had their hunting rifleshung up in their secured
vehicles out in the parking lot.
Uh, and it's and it's to 2024.

(02:22:13):
At the time, the last time Iwas patrolling.
It's, leave it, leave it there,it's friggin.
The second amendment let themhave their friggin firearm.
They haven't given you anyreason to to take it yet.

Speaker 11 (02:22:24):
So yeah, nobody says you have to go back to your car
to to do anything you can uselike come on well, well, I
couldn't always do it at thesame well, right, but there's
other ways to run the traffic.

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
Stop then back at your patrol unit you know, yeah,
um, julianne reyes said copthought that the car was stolen.
If that's the case, he shouldhave done a felony stop on this
vehicle.
I don't buy that shit for asecond, even if, okay, let's say
you're right, let's say he didthink it was stolen.

(02:22:58):
He fucked all of this up bydoing this.

Speaker 4 (02:23:02):
This is not the protocol for a stolen vehicle
and if we're wrong on that andthere's some other news station
that says you freaking shoot,shoot us the link at two cops,
one donut and we'll we'll lookat that.
But yeah, we're telling you,with our experience right now,
what he did is he made thisaction occur of whatever's going
to happen next time?

Speaker 11 (02:23:21):
yeah, okay, could he ?
Could they have gotten him outof the vehicle but not disarmed
him?

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
could, could they have gotten him out of the
vehicle and not disarmed?

Speaker 11 (02:23:29):
him.
Yeah, I mean if he thought itwas stolen yeah we're going to
do this a whole different way.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
We're going to bring in more people if they're
available but I'd rather keephim seated right.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Keep eyes on him.
He's in a good position.

Speaker 4 (02:23:42):
It's a traffic stop Right now.
It's just a traffic stop.

Speaker 1 (02:23:46):
Yeah, this is a position of advantage, and when
we talked about earlier theknown, I know he has a gun on
him now, so I don't want him toget out of the car because it's
only going to make it easier forhim to access.
So for me, I'm going to say,hey, stay seated.
Do you have your ID on you?
Okay, cool, I don't need it.
Just tell me your name and dateof birth because I'm going to

(02:24:08):
run it old school and see whatit comes back to.
We'll confirm it hard later onif there's more to it.
But if I'm just writing acitation for running, a light or
a stop sign, that's all I need.
I don't need all that crazyshit.
There's light or a stop sign,that's all I need.
I don't need all that crazyshit.
There's no point.

(02:24:28):
I'm gonna play it safe, relax,so, um, but like I said, I like
how he handled it at thebeginning, um, but I don't like
the taking the gun off of people.
I think you just inviteyourself for some bs.
And I've seen this video, notall of this.
I saw the, the quick clip.
Um, I haven't seen all thislead up, so, but I'm gonna keep
hitting, play here just hangtight.

Speaker 13 (02:24:50):
Just do me a favor, low that window.
Hey, he's got.
Uh, he's very compliant.
He does have a pistol on, sowe're gonna take him out from
that side, remove the pistol andwe'll go from there, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
He's being cool about it.
Yeah, yeah, you're good, whichI Okay.
He's agreeing to it, which Idon't have a problem with.
If he's a willing participantof disarming him, cool, keep
going.
He got headphones on.

(02:25:26):
Listen y'all.
Stop wearing fucking headphoneswhile you're driving.
Don't wear airpods, earpods,whatever it is.
If you're driving a motorcycle,don't have speakers in your
helmet.
You need to be able to hearemergency vehicles horn, honks
horn honks all that shit like.
I've even gotten to the pointwhere I don't run a jog.

(02:25:48):
I like to run, I'm a runner.
I don't like to run withheadphones in anymore earphones,
ipods, airpods, whatever Idon't run with those anymore.
I don't like to run, I drive.
You definitely don't like torun.
You like to run to the buffet?
That's about it.

Speaker 4 (02:26:04):
There's a lot of them out here I'm going to go hit
one tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (02:26:14):
I appreciate you being very honest.
Oh shit, you okay.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
That happened faster than I was ready for.
I want to go back?
All right, get out.
I didn't realize it happenedthat quick.
Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 13 (02:26:35):
I appreciate you man being very honest.
You Shit.

Speaker 10 (02:26:38):
You're going to face .

Speaker 13 (02:26:41):
Put it down, you okay.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
She put the gun down.

Speaker 13 (02:26:44):
Yes, I'm awake.
Risk is at 68.
It was her face.
She put the gun down.
It was her gun no.

Speaker 4 (02:26:52):
The one she pulled from him.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Tourniquet the dude.
I mean it doesn't appear to belike it's in a femoral, which is
the main artery in the leg, butyou can't take a chance.

Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
I'm not aware where that round is sitting, if it was
a pass-through or if it's not.
And that's the whole thing is.
Get that freaking tourniquet onthere, get the ambulance there.
You've got to react nowFreaking.
I can't believe that.
See bottom line.
What the hell are we doingremoving the weapon Is?
See bottom line.
What the what the hell are wedoing removing the weapon?
Is it their policy?
Florida, florida, cops, ifyou're on here, are you guys

(02:27:28):
doing this?
If you're, if you are, fucking,stop, don't you know, unless
they give you a reason to dothat, holy shit yeah, um.
So this is real.
She shot him off, so she shothim.
So is it correct that she shothim with her fire, her fire.
Okay, let me go back.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
Let me go back.
I'm assuming we're going to getdifferent angles here.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, we are.
I'm going to go back.
I want to.
I must have seen it wrong.
Why would her gun be out?

Speaker 13 (02:27:58):
No, that wasn't her gun.

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
So she used his.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
She grabbed it.
Yeah, wasn't her gun so sheused his.
She grabbed it.
Yeah, let me go back here.
She grabbed that.
Look her guns in the holster.
That's her mag to her weapon.
Appreciate, you can see her.
She is holstered.
So she, like I said, she shothim with his own firearm that
was in his pocket.

Speaker 13 (02:28:25):
I mean the one thing I will say you okay, put the
gun down, put it down.

Speaker 1 (02:28:34):
Boys put that fucking thing down.

Speaker 11 (02:28:36):
Well, and that's the one thing I will say that you
know there's a lot of times whenwe come across guns that we're,
you know, very cautious inhandling them, because you know
there's a lot of times when wecome across guns that we're, you
know, very cautious in handlingthem, because you know our guns
have to be done with a licensedfirearms you know person that
you know is an armor.
We don't know what's beentampered with on somebody's gun

(02:28:59):
that we pull out things likethat.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Yeah, okay.
So we're going to continue.
I would say from here obviouslywe got to do medical attention
to that guy, got to get it out,okay.

Speaker 4 (02:29:17):
Reaction she's done, fired this is Fired as a cop For
sure.
Yes, at the least Fired this isFired for sure.
Yes, at the least FiredCriminal charges.
No, I don't think that was herintention.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
I think she fucked up .
That was an accident.

Speaker 4 (02:29:35):
We're not hammering on a female.
This is not.
This is a police officer ingeneral.
If you're going to go disarmsomebody, you better be damn
well know how to keep yourfreaking finger straightened off
the trigger right, right, yeah,and and this is the other part
like again, was there a need todisarm?

Speaker 1 (02:29:53):
I don't think so I.

Speaker 4 (02:29:55):
This is one of the reasons I'm running a fucking
red light unless there'ssomething behind the story that
we don't know about yeah, so II'm um, I don't like the 2004
tahoe.
I'm sure he's driving a 2025escalator right now in a really
nice house and I hope he pulledthrough okay, because holy shit
yeah yeah, so um one second, butuh, yeah, so we're gonna keep

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going.

Speaker 1 (02:30:24):
I think we're gonna get some different views.
One second, but yeah, so we'regoing to keep going.
I think we're going to get somedifferent views.

Speaker 13 (02:30:29):
Yes, John, like Rescue 10-68.
Rescue 10-68.
10-20.

Speaker 1 (02:30:40):
I'm with you, Jim Miner.
Male or female, it doesn'tmatter.

Speaker 13 (02:30:48):
Good on the officers just trying to help him out.
Jesus Christ, where's yourpistol at On my side, oh good,
so put your hands on the top ofthe gun.
It's not even in a pocket, it'sin a holster.

Speaker 4 (02:31:06):
That is the most compliant friggin' traffic spot
guy right there.

Speaker 13 (02:31:10):
God damn, put the gun down.
Put the gun down, you okay?
Hey, rescue 1068,.
Let's go Rescue 1068, hey68.
Let's go Rescue 10-68.

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
Hey man, walk with me , walk with me.

Speaker 1 (02:31:31):
Julianne raised that she was just fired.

Speaker 13 (02:31:34):
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down.

Speaker 1 (02:31:39):
Jesus, my man's going to get a hefty payout, I hope.

Speaker 4 (02:31:44):
You better be living hard.

Speaker 1 (02:31:45):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (02:31:48):
Did she intend to do that?
No, is there, is there?
Is there a criminal action thatneeds to be done?
You know what?
I think it needs to be lookedinto.
Let's let's look at how she wastrained.
Was she?
was it check the box, like a lotof big departments there's a
lot of big departments that areamazing, that do do amazing
training, but there's somethingbig departments that are just
getting by, right, and yeah, andI think if it's a get in the

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buy situation, then I think wewe may be looking at neglectful
action here yeah, you may havefound a gap in training,
something that could be improvedupon um many places, but
especially wherever they're atum.

Speaker 1 (02:32:25):
Do I think that?
Like I said, do I think she hadsome sort of malicious intent?
No, I think she fucked up umand then, like mr billfold was
saying, you know, uh, she didn'tdo anything afterwards.

Speaker 11 (02:32:36):
I I actually kind of agree with her not doing
anything, like you've had enough, get the fuck out of here, like
well and there's also the factof all the shock that just hit
her too, like I'm glad there'sother people there to handle it,
because if all that happens byherself, like you know, she
already didn't know how tohandle it, so it would have just

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gotten worse.

Speaker 1 (02:33:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like she's, like I'm, I'm ofthe.
She shouldn't like.
There's a lot of careers foryou.

Speaker 4 (02:33:09):
Police work Isn't one anymore I'm nowhere near
perfect, but with the militarytraining, the Marine Corps and
then coming in and just evenjust basic law enforcement
training.
Somebody wrote on there.
You know, keep your boogerfinger off the freaking bang
switch bang switch.
Yeah, you know, that'sabsolutely true.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
I mean, you know, yeah, now, now let me put it to
you guys this way I'm a.
I think I'm a cocky son of abitch.
I'm a great cop.
I think I'm a good cop.
If I did that, bye, yep.
I shouldn't be a cop anywhereelse.
I'm done.
Law enforcement is done for me.

(02:33:48):
It's just what it is.
It is what it is, even if Ididn't mean it.
It doesn't matter.
The career is done.
I fucked up.
That is not a comeback story.
I can't come back from that one.

Speaker 4 (02:34:03):
I don't know if his significant other was in the car
or what his situation is, butthat phone call from the
hospital hey, can you come uphere and visit me?
Well, what happened?
Well, I got stopped for runningred light and cops shot me with
my own gun while they weredisarming me, for before they
were going to decide whether ornot they're going to write me a
citation, yeah, marines bloodsaid uh, true shock probably
would have made it worse.

Speaker 1 (02:34:23):
She was in such shock that she didn't put the the gun
down and could haveaccidentally shot it again.
I agree you could see it on herface.
Anybody that's been aroundtraumatic experiences and stuff
like you can read it like shewas.
She was lost in the sauce.
She didn't know what to do.
I'm glad that that officerrecognized it immediately and

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told her to put the gun downlike that was a good move.
He did a good thing.
So, um, mr billful, fuck off.

Speaker 11 (02:34:53):
I found this one I had it all cued I just couldn't
find it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:58):
And he found it.
Um.
Harrison brock said eric, ifyou did that, you would lose
both your jobs.
Yes, I would.
And he found it.
Harrison Brock said Eric, ifyou did that, you would lose
both your jobs.
Yes, I would.

Speaker 11 (02:35:08):
You would still have Donut Maker, come on.

Speaker 1 (02:35:11):
Right yeah.
I would be booted out of themilitary and I would be booted
out of the police department.
Two civilians.

Speaker 4 (02:35:18):
police brought pillies by my donut.
Yeah, yeah.
Tim.

Speaker 1 (02:35:24):
Owens said incompetence.
Yeah, absolutely, I mean youcan't.
There's no way to sugarcoatthat you fucked up.

Speaker 11 (02:35:31):
I mean, we spend a considerable amount of time in
the academy even if you've neverhandled a firearm on how to
handle a firearm, handled afirearm on how to handle a
firearm and rule number one isunless there was a malfunction
to that firearm and she's beenfired, so I don't think there
was right.
You learn where your fingers goand where they don't.

Speaker 4 (02:35:51):
Yeah, like I had a good department is going to take
that firearm.
They're going to take it.
Their frigging armor is goingto look at it under video.
They're going to look at thetrigger pull.
They're going to look at thepound squeeze under video.
They're gonna look at thetrigger pull.
They're gonna look at the poundper squeeze, and I don't care if
that is a quarter pound customtrigger.
You sneeze on it, it goes off.
Bottom line is that fingertouched it and we don't put our

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finger on the trigger unless weintend to destroy something
period kiss my ass, eye of thenight man, I got the fans buddy
son of a bitch you go onvacation and this is what you
get.

Speaker 11 (02:36:23):
I know right.

Speaker 1 (02:36:24):
Mama G said Eric, yet would you have kept the cop in
the first clip?
Help me out, guys.
I don't remember which oneshe's talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
She said thanks, eric , for co-hosting.

Speaker 11 (02:36:34):
Well, the first clip would have been slapping
somebody.
Which one?
The first clip was slappingsome dude laying in a bed.
No, the first clip was slappingsome dude laying in a bed.

Speaker 1 (02:36:43):
No, no, I wouldn't have kept those.
They should have been fired andput in jail just like they were
.
Alan is responsible for TCOD.
Greatness, eric, you just makethe donuts.

Speaker 4 (02:36:56):
Eric just throws the sprinkles on them.

Speaker 1 (02:36:59):
Tim Eric is weird.
All of his donuts are creamfilled.
Don't ask what the fuck isgoing on today.
All of a sudden I go onvacation.

Speaker 4 (02:37:06):
I come back and I'm the asshole.
They're just showing you thelove brother.

Speaker 11 (02:37:10):
Hey, that's what happens when you become a
sergeant, bro, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
Son of a bitch.
Eric, you should read the IAreport.
I should read the IA report.
Oh man, what if Eric makes aman banning eats them Damn.
You know what Alan you?
Son of a bitch.
What'd you do you?

Speaker 11 (02:37:31):
voodooed everybody.
Hey, we had a great show lastweek.
I know we did.
Vaughn was just running theshow.
All we had to do was sit there.

Speaker 4 (02:37:39):
Vaughn's watching this right now.
He's like take that, eric.

Speaker 11 (02:37:43):
He's like I thought I taught y'all about carbs.

Speaker 1 (02:37:47):
Right.
I said, hey, I've doneproduction for streams before.
I know how rough it is dealingwith the goobers on camera.
Listen, I have been doing this.
Alan just started doing it.
I did everything.
It was hard it was hard.
Look at me getting defensive.
You got me riled up.
Everybody talks about me beinga cop, but I don't get riled up
at all.

(02:38:07):
You start messing with myproduction skills.
I get pissed off.
It's so funny Listen listen,you're right.
Alan is the is is the magicbehind the scenes?
I'll, I'll see that.
Eric, your only way out is tobecome an LT.
Hey, when the chance happens, Iwill be going for it.

(02:38:28):
Vaughn made me all tingly withhis four signs, bro Vaughn,
that's our second time havingVaughn on and I'm so mad that it
was on an episode I wasn't herefor, because I love Vaughn.
Now, truth be known, guys, I amtrying to make von officially a
two cops, one donut person.
So if you guys can put pressureon him, be like, fucking, do it

(02:38:52):
, bro.

Speaker 4 (02:38:53):
So I want him to be, von can be one of the guys in
the whole qualified immunityconversation yes, that's who I'm
trying to get.

Speaker 1 (02:39:01):
That's my guy that I want.
He is my qualified immunityperson and I have some other
anti-qualified immunity peoplethat I want him to like go
against.
I'm just gonna sit there and belike looking back and forth,
like yeah yeah yeah, because, uh, I'm not an expert like and and
I gotta get some pong to playduring that.

(02:39:23):
Yes, right how do I slow mo on avideo?
Air shut up.
Shut up, man.
Fuck you too.
I love banning, but his voicemakes me slip into a serene coma
.
Hey, that's a that's.
That's a pg way of saying whathis voice does to me.

(02:39:45):
I want him to read every smuttynovel I've ever heard of
banning.
Can you read 50 shades of grayto me?
All right, let me get into thisvideo.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 13 (02:40:05):
He's very compliant.
He does have a pistol on.

Speaker 1 (02:40:10):
Nobody's worked up.
I don't see a body language ofpeople that are worked up.
I like what I see for bodylanguage.

Speaker 4 (02:40:16):
Where's your pistol at Almost there?

Speaker 13 (02:40:19):
He keeps his hands up.

Speaker 1 (02:40:21):
He's got it in the waist and hold.

Speaker 13 (02:40:35):
Saw that going back.
So here's.
I appreciate that, oh yeah, ohshit.

Speaker 1 (02:40:41):
You.
Okay, I'm all mad.
I'm trying to pause it.
Oh yeah, right there.

Speaker 11 (02:40:48):
Yep, look at that.
Two fingers, two fingers, thatis her.

Speaker 4 (02:40:54):
So think about this.
I mean, her firearm is on herright hip.
She's obviously right-handed.
She's using her left hand topull this gun out and this is
not a defense to her, becauseshe fucked up on this 100 from
Sunday.
If she's going to disarmsomebody and I've done this mess
up, I've never done this messup I'm saying the awkwardness,
and we also fire in trainingfrom our offhand if you're in a

(02:41:18):
good department.
But, however, if you're goingto disarm somebody and it's a
firearm you're not familiar with, it's probably a different
model.
Use your right hand, use allyour fine motor skills so we can
pull this out of there safelyand conduct whatever that
primary officer needs to getdone.
Do it safe yeah, great.

Speaker 11 (02:41:34):
Well, you noticed one thing that, um, when she
started pulling it, the holsterwas coming to just leave it in
the damn holster, like and thenas an armor.
The one thing that I noticedit's pretty impressive that the
gun still went off, because ifyou limp aristoglock it's got a
safety designed in it that itwon't go off if you don't pull
the trigger.

(02:41:54):
Right, yeah, like there's a lotgoing on here that you know
behind the scenes, that like wow, yeah, um to mama g.

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
Yes, fired uh for sure for the one that uh trey
had brought up.
Yeah, fired um.
End of the day.
Your screw up that you'reowning up to I appreciate it,
but you gotta go like, is thatsomething that I think is
unfixable?
No, I think that's very fixable.

(02:42:26):
You fucked up.
That's something that could betrained and learned and
hopefully he improves.
But you can't be a cop thereanymore.
Um, I and maybe not a copanymore.
Period, that's.
That's for another departmentto decide.
I'm not that person, for,personally, if you're coming to
a department and I'm the chief,I'm like no, you can go be a cop

(02:42:47):
somewhere else, but you can'tbe a cop here.
That was too major of a fuck-up.

Speaker 11 (02:42:52):
I don't completely agree with this.
One Another prime example whyfemales shouldn't be in law
enforcement.
I have worked with many goodfemale officers, and so I'm not
going to agree with that.
Nope, I might say that maybeshe was less trained in firearms
and didn't understand how tohandle the situation.

Speaker 1 (02:43:11):
Yeah, I will say and this is a shout-out to Angie
Mapes, one of the females that Iworked with.
She was a corporal.
I was an officer, had a guycoming at me that I didn't see.
I was dealing with anotherperson and Angie all five foot
six of her maybe five foot fourshe's not a tall girl at all,

(02:43:32):
but fierce was able to hook withher elbow the guy who was about
to pay make me that I didn'tsee she hooked his arm, slammed
him up against the wall and wasable to keep body pressure on
her, on him, long enough whileanother officer was coming over.
And not only was she able tophysically be able to help me,

(02:43:56):
but she was also able, inseveral other cases or calls
that I was on, was able to helpme in my line of questioning on
people like improve.
She taught me how to questionpeople better.
So I firsthand knowledge ofawesome female police officers.
So no, I am not the person thatthinks.

Speaker 4 (02:44:16):
For everyone that says that there's a female
officer out there, all theydon't need to be.
Here's the thing.
I know just as many male copsthat have no frigging business.
That's where I was going to goto work and I didn't mean to
interrupt you, but it'sliterally, I wake up every day
with so many messages onLinkedIn and and it's a lot of
them oh man, you have so-and-sois saying this about female

(02:44:37):
officers I don't give a shitwhat your, what your sex is,
your male or female if you goout there and do the freaking
job, go do it.
It's not the easiest job in theworld, you're never gonna get
rich doing it, but go do it.
And if you're a male and you'reout there, you are very just as
responsible to have thatphysical force when needed to
get out of something that's bad,that's gonna hurt you or

(02:44:57):
somebody else yep, I agree, I'vehad, uh, you know, plenty of
I'm and, and I've actually madesome shorts and reels out of
videos that I have said.

Speaker 1 (02:45:08):
This is why I believe every cop should be a blue belt
in jujitsu before they hit thestreets.
If you want to like, you wantto require officers that have a
four-year degree?
Okay, fine, I would rather haveyou hire a person that was a
bartender for five years andtook a year, two years, of
jujitsu.
That's the guy I want.

(02:45:29):
I could give a shit less about.
I have a master's degree.
I have a dual master's degree.
You know how much that improvedme in the streets?
Zero, all it provided me wasperspective and opportunity.
That's it Within my department.
Having the degree puts me aboveother people because I got a

(02:45:49):
piece of paper, but as far asgiving me skill in the street,
it did not, and it's a criminaljustice and criminology degree.
They didn't help me in thestreet.
They didn't make me a bettercop, but I tell you, what does
make better cops?
Social skills, people that knowhow to talk to people.
You know who knows how to talkto people Bartenders, door guys,

(02:46:10):
waiters, waitresses, peoplethat work in retail.
They know how to talk to people.
I would much rather you be aperson that worked in those
places and took two years ofjiu-jitsu, or a solid six months
to a year, like going three tosix days a week.

(02:46:30):
I'm with that.
Andy Fletcher said Izzo isright, izzo is very anti.
We've had Izzo on here quite afew times.
Me and Izzo are friends.
We agree on a lot of things,but we also disagree on a few
things, and we disagree here.

Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
But also Izzo's reached out when you know female
cops were done wrong.
I mean you know he, he has mademe, you know, maybe made that
comment on some stuff, but Ericand I both know he reigned us in
on a message or like hey, this,this, this officer, from
whatever agency, was unjustlyterminated.
So I truly believe, and as ismine, that it's if they can't do

(02:47:08):
the job physically, any femaleis welcome 100%, any male is
welcome 100%, as long as you cando that job physically, period.

Speaker 1 (02:47:17):
Yeah, Eric.
Would you hire a JP for theUnited States Air Force?
I don't A JP.
What's a JP for the UnitedStates Air Force?
I don't A JP.
What's a JP Justice?
Of the Peace.
I don't know what a JP is.
Explain Harrison.

Speaker 11 (02:47:33):
Earlier Mr Billfold asked the question about would
this go in her collar and so inTexas?
If you are fired in the stateof Texas in the last legislation
process, if you were fired as apolice officer, it will go on
your T Cole report and anyagency that goes to hire this

(02:47:54):
same officer in Texas.
You have to do the backgroundand do the check.

Speaker 1 (02:48:06):
And if you get caught not following those rules then
your department loses their TCOlicense.
Country girl I call BS.
It's only because you guyscan't function around tits.
I don't think she's talking tous?

Speaker 4 (02:48:17):
No, and every profession out there, anytime
you have men and women workingtogether, you may have some
issues and I've heard of someissues in law enforcement, but
personally I've never seen thatbecome an issue and it may be
because I've worked inprofessional places.
We actually had leadership, andI'm not talking about the last
places I worked at.
We didn't have any females thatwere working there, but I'm

(02:48:39):
talking about the largeragencies I worked at.
We had some really goodleadership there.
We never had that issue offemales working with men.
It was always co-ed, there wasnever any issue and everybody
pulled their own weight, andthere was a lot of amazing
officers that I worked with.

Speaker 1 (02:48:53):
Now I'm about to fuck Mr Billfold up.
He's in my realm now.
So, mr Billfold, I just wantyou to know my father, who did
30 years of law enforcement, isa nationally ranked judo
participant, currently in his60s.
So I learned a lot of judogrowing up, did a lot of years

(02:49:14):
of judo before I did jujitsu.
I've been in law enforcement 18years, been in the military as
well.
I'm still in.
There's a lot of martial artsthat I've taken Boxing, muay
Thai, wrestling, jujitsu andwrestling.
I'll give wrestling a littlebit of credit and then catch
wrestling, because my lieutenantis a huge catch wrestler and he

(02:49:35):
would get mad if I didn't giveit credit.
But he says jujitsu is not thebest for dealing with unknowns.
A hip toss, a judo throw, ispreferable to pulling guard in
the street with a suspect.
With all due respect, sirJujitsu, every arrest that is
noncompliant is going to go tothe ground.

(02:49:57):
Judo is great for getting you tothe ground.
Jujitsu uses judo to get peopleto the ground.
It's not like it's its ownthing.
The same takedowns that wereused in jiu-jitsu are the same
takedowns that were pretty muchtaught in judo.
However, judo is not thegreatest for finishing on the
ground where jiu-jitsu excels.

(02:50:19):
So I would argue I would ratheryou have a base in jiu-Jitsu
excels.
So I would argue I would ratheryou have a base in Jiu-Jitsu,
because it does do takedowns andit helps you get close to your
opponent versus Judo.
Judo's great, don't want totake away from it.
If you have nothing and all youdid was, and you took Judo
you're in a good spot.

Speaker 4 (02:50:40):
So let me ask you this, eric, and I know where you
work at and I know theamazingness that they do, but
I'm talking about a countrywidequestion here and my whole thing
is when I gathered my gals,guys and gals for training uh,
you know, defensive tacticstraining my argument was is what
you deploy with on the streetwhen you're coming into a

(02:51:00):
departmental?
Organized training is whatyou're going to wear in training
.
Do you agree or do you disagree?

Speaker 1 (02:51:07):
What do you mean?
Give me an example.

Speaker 4 (02:51:09):
So if you're wearing a full-duty belt and outer inner
carrier, your boots your pants,and if you're going there for
training, are you going full on,and I understand that the
injury rate rises and you onlyhave to use this when it's a use
of force.
But are you at least learningthese moves on a padded mat with
your gear on or the majority ofyour gear on, so you understand

(02:51:32):
what the feeling is?
I believe you need to wear itand I've never, asked you that
I'm just curious and Ithink I know your answer is
going to be but yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51:40):
Yeah, so where I am at, obviously I can't disclose,
but it's not that hard to figureout y'all.
And I will ask my chat to do mea favor.
I had somebody recently onYouTube trying to blast where I
work.
Listen, I have to keep the twoseparate.
So if I see it, I am going todelete it.
It's not that I'm trying tohide it.

(02:52:02):
Yes, I am going to delete it.
It's not that I'm trying tohide it.
Yes, I am trying to hide it.
It's just I can't have it,you're following policy.

Speaker 4 (02:52:08):
You're just following policy.

Speaker 1 (02:52:08):
Yeah, I'm just following policy y'all.
I'm not trying to get introuble or do anything, and I
follow it pretty well.
Actually I follow it very well.
I've been doing this four yearsnow.
So just know, if you're sittingthere and you're going to blast
out, oh he works here, he workshere.
I'm going to block you.
Like, please don't do that.
We have a good thing going andI don't want to cause any undue

(02:52:32):
attention to my department.
So that's why we keep itseparate.
But to your point, banning, yes, in where I train and where I
work, that is how we train ourrecruits.
They have to have their gear on.
And where I work, that is howwe train our recruits.
They have to have their gear on.
They have to understand how tomove on the ground and while
standing with their gear on,because you need to train like
you fight and fight like youtrain.

Speaker 4 (02:52:52):
And in reference to that comment that's on the
screen right now cops never gohands-on anymore.
They always use their toolsinstead.
Ryan, I don't know you.
You don't know me.
I was a cop for 21 years andunfortunately I don't know you
don't know me I was a cop for 21years and unfortunately I've
had a lot of face-to-face stuffto where we've had to take
somebody into custody.
And I've carried a taser.
We were one of the firstagencies in the state of Texas

(02:53:16):
to carry one.
It was called a beta testbefore it was issued to
everybody and I have still, tothis day, never deployed probes
on anybody.
And I have still, to this day,never deployed probes on anybody
.
I tried to use my mind, myheart, speaking ability and grip
strength and everything elseand just taking somebody to the
ground because I knew what wasgoing to happen on that.
So I've never used the tools onthe tool belt unless it was a
deadly force situation.

(02:53:36):
Obviously it was different, butI've never deployed a taser.
I've sprayed oc spray on a lotof dogs and tried to eat my
lunch in the middle of the night, uh, with a, with a failed
animal control in the region.
Uh, because we've had to dothat, because and it was after
literally getting bit.
You know, I don't want to shoota dog.
I was a canine handler foryears.

(02:53:58):
I love animals, you know.
If a dog is going aftersomebody else it's a different
story than how much do you loveanimals?
Oh, dude, well, I just, I love.
I love dogs a lot.
You know, cats bother the hellout of me.
My wife feeds stray cats everyday, so I have to deal with when
I walk out of the house.
When I say stray cats, it'slike two of them yeah, it's
corners of the property orwhatever, and they don't bother

(02:54:20):
me.
But they do try to get me to petthem and I just you know me and
cats only because my allergiesI don't, uh, I don't pet the
cats yeah um, mr bill fold.

Speaker 1 (02:54:32):
He said a judo throw puts them down, usually knocks
the breath out.
I worked security 14 yearsbecoming a weller, had enough
hands-on experience and i'tdisagree.
I love judo takedowns, you know, I love me a goody-pone if you
know what I'm saying.
But the judo throws arewonderful, but in police work

(02:54:52):
you have to finish Got to followup with handcuffing.
If I'm throwing you like if I'mtossing you to the ground, I
got to put you in cuffs.
Or if I don't have the abilityto put you in cuffs because I'm
alone and you're a bigger person, I got you to the ground, great
.
Now I got to put you in aposition that you're going to
stay in, you know, subdued,without you know throwing

(02:55:16):
strikes or worrying about losingcontrol.
Judo's only got a couple things.
They really they're really biginto arm bars and they're really
big into, you know, omoplataand stuff like that.
But other than that, theyreally don't help you.
Now, trust me, I'm, I'm agracie survival tactics
instructor.

(02:55:36):
Uh, I'm, I'll probably be alifelong purple belt in jiu
jitsu.
I've got the knowledge of ablack belt, but the
inconsistency.

Speaker 4 (02:55:46):
Yeah, but that's the next belt there, right, is it
not?

Speaker 1 (02:55:48):
No, no, no.
Purple brown black.
Purple brown black.
I wasn't sure that was.
Yeah, I've been a purple beltbefore Purple is a reputable
frigging belt dude.
So I wouldn't.
I would be happy that you're apurple belt.
So yeah, um constitutionalcountry girl said mr b and ellie

(02:56:09):
, you can't legally just strike.

Speaker 11 (02:56:10):
what are we talking about?
Um, so when you're talkingabout having to do a hip throw
and finish, they're saying youcan't just make the strike and
not, you know, finish up withtaking them down Depends.

Speaker 1 (02:56:23):
That's not true.
Necessarily I can throw astrike.
I mean, if we're fighting I canthrow strikes.
It just depends on yourdepartment.
Where I'm at, yeah, I can throwstrikes.
I can throw close fist strikes,I can throw elbows, knees.
Just depends, really depends onwhat we're talking about.
Let me see here I'm lookingthrough the comments.

(02:56:45):
Mr Belford said to Country Girlnever claimed that a strike was
on the table.
Eye of the Night said I statedpreviously, japanese cops use
several martial arts to trainregularly with them.
Yes, they do.
One of the biggest issues, Ithink, is the lack of available
training.
I know many have gone on paidextern.

(02:57:09):
It's okay, that's almost enoughto wash away the air Shut up.
So yes, japanese copsabsolutely badasses and they do
train.
That is something if we want totalk about improving training

(02:57:31):
guys I'm going to let me stopsharing this one for a minute.
If we're going to talk aboutimproving training and all of
that, I'm with you guys.
I think that departments shouldbe paying for officers to have
this type of training, if notproviding it themselves.
Most departments can't provideit themselves.

(02:57:51):
Where I'm at, they actuallyevery Tuesday and Thursday at
our police academy.
They've got jujitsu going on atthe academy it's at lunchtime.
Now if you work midnights, thatdoesn't really help you, which
sucks, but it's an option.
It's a free option and it'sother officers that are black
belts training our cops in howto do it.

(02:58:13):
So I definitely think that ifyou can't get it through your
department, you shouldregardless if your department's
willing to pay for it or not payfor it yourself.
I'd pay for my own training.
Do I think departments shouldpay for it?
Yes, absolutely, but that's thereality.

(02:58:34):
That's not what's happening.
So until then, I think youshould be paying for it yourself
.
You need to get to that levelIf you're going to do this
profession and take it seriously.
You're going to get in a fight.
You need to be ready.
You are much more likely to getin a fight than you are going
to be to use your firearm Yep,and you train a fuck ton with

(02:58:55):
your firearm.
You need to be training evenmore for a grappling situation,
because every noncompliantarrest goes to the ground and
just as much as you're trainingon that.

Speaker 4 (02:59:05):
I'm just walking into this because I disappeared for
a second but you got to work onyour freaking communication
skills and I know, eric, and Italk about this a lot but if you
, if you've got shitcommunication skills and you're
just a dick with a badge, you'regoing to get them to a lot of
conversation.
You're going to get into a lotof bar fights.
If you can't communicate andyou're just, oh, by God, you

(02:59:25):
can't, you're going to be in alot of fights.
You've got to be able to speakas a reasonable person if you're
going to have a bad job andthat's one of my things is, if
I'm sitting on a hiring boardand we have some dipshit come in
and sit down and he is all highas mighty and by God, you're
not going to.
We're going to go out there andwe're going to kill.
You know crim criminals aredone and we're going to put a

(02:59:46):
rest a lot more.
So you do, you get no time foryou.
You're not going to be good forthis community.

Speaker 1 (02:59:54):
We got some good comments here.
I want to get to all of these.
Tim said our local cops herecan't afford gas half the time,
let alone classes Fair.
Now imagine this you get rid ofqualified immunity and you're
going to sue them.
You're not going to getanything, dude.
You can't make a broke dude gomore broke.
Most cops are living paycheckto paycheck.
I'm fortunate where I'm atgreat pay.

(03:00:15):
So you come at us with takingaway qualified immunity.
I'm like fuck, I'm done.
I'm not trying to risk any ofthat.

Speaker 4 (03:00:23):
Where I come from.
I always got those Lone Starapplications in the mail.
They're like, do you want to?
Because it wasn't a good thing.
I loved what I do Now.
On top of that, the departmentthe medium-sized one in the
Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex thatI retired in that was a great
pay and even when I left it evengot better.
So I'm glad that those guys areeven getting paid more, but

(03:00:44):
it's a good paying agency now.

Speaker 1 (03:00:46):
So brandar 86 said with police.
I think it should be a collegeroute prior to joining the
academy criminal justice degreeor something with required study
in law at the very least.
I think this is where we'regoing to clash a little bit.
Brandar, as I said earlier, Iwould rather you have been a
bartender for the last three tofive years and done a little bit

(03:01:10):
of jiu-jitsu or judo or somesort of grappling martial art,
because then you're going tohave social skills, you're going
to be able to talk to peopleand you're going to know how to
handle yourself, versus going tocollege taking, let's face it,
at least two years of shit thathas nothing to do with police

(03:01:31):
work, because I I've got mymaster's.
Uh, you guys have done somecollege.
I don't know how far you guysgot in it, but like you have to
take all these prereqs that havenothing to do with anything
police work-wise.

Speaker 4 (03:01:46):
I grew up in a lot of universities, man, I'm sure I
do a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (03:01:51):
So that's my point, this pressure to go to college.
There's other things that Ithink are far more valuable.

Speaker 11 (03:02:01):
I've got a lot of debt from it.

Speaker 1 (03:02:03):
Right.
So like emotional intelligence,yep, that's another thing,
that's another leadershipcourses, things like that.
They don't teach that incollege, which is crazy to me.

Speaker 11 (03:02:16):
The only thing it really taught me was truly how
to write to my instructor'sopinion.
You know you'd turn in yourfirst assignment and figure out
oh, they're not gonna acceptthat kind of conversation from
me, so I'm gonna have to writeit in a different way.

Speaker 1 (03:02:31):
You want to improve policing?
A simple fix Don't let peoplebecome cops until they're 25.
That's a simple fix.
I can agree with that.
Now it pains me to say becauseI can tell you right now,
fucking Eric Levine at 18 wouldhave told you at 18 he was ready
to be a cop.

Speaker 4 (03:02:52):
I'm in the military and by God I can have a drink.
No, do not give me a drink at18.
Right Period.

Speaker 1 (03:03:00):
Yes.
So, I'm not a fan of the collegething.
I don't think that makes you abetter cop.
I think social skills makes youthe best cop.
I think having grappling skillsmakes you a safer cop Not safer
just for the cop.
I think social skills makes youthe best cop.
I think having grappling skillsmakes you a safer cop Not safer
just for the cop, safer for thepeople, safer for the bad guy,

(03:03:23):
which is a weird concept topeople that don't understand.
I've been grappling and doingmartial arts my entire life.
Boxing's been my latest thing.
You know how many uses offorces I've been in for me.
Now you tell me why that is.
Am I the luckiest son of abitch there is, or is there a

(03:03:46):
reason behind it?
I work at a city that has 70calls holding.
When I get on shift in my sideof town there's 1.2 million
people at a max time, usually inthe city I'm in.

Speaker 4 (03:03:59):
Well, here's what you know.
We're all together on this showbecause we agree and disagree
on stuff, and that's what makesit so amazing.
So when you say you've neverbeen on any use of forces,
that's obviously under review,because you've been on a felony
traffic stop, I'm assuming,probably more than one month.

Speaker 1 (03:04:20):
Okay, maybe I misworded and I have never been
in a use of force.
That has been me.
I've helped out on a lot ofofficers that have been in use
of forces it's, but it's neverbeen my call, me going going
there and me being like blah,blah, blah, like it's always
been a combination of somebodyelse's call and having to help

(03:04:43):
that way and that's why Ibrought that up, because, I mean
, eric has been in the yes,we're all.

Speaker 4 (03:04:46):
As a patrol person in an agency, you're going to get
involved with what's called afelony traffic stop.
In an agency, you're going toget involved with what's called
a felony traffic stop.
And usually.
I'd say 99.9% of the officers onthere are going to what's
called break leather and they'vegot to pull that gun up and
they've got to aim in thedirection of that subject

(03:05:07):
suspect vehicle direction Rightand that is technically a use of
force.
So I want you guys tounderstand what Eric is saying.
He's never been the one that'sbeen the single person that's
directed the use of force.
So I want you guys tounderstand on what Eric is
saying.
He's never been the one that'sbeen the single person that's
directed the use of force yeah,physical, yes of use of, you

(03:05:29):
know, under review.
So that's a big, big differencebecause all law enforcement
across the country, unless I'mjust a dipshit and I don't know
anything but from what.
I'm hearing is they all gothrough felony traffic stops and
I think the people in thecomments will agree that's a use
of force.
If we're back here as a peaceofficer and we break leather on
a car because it is reported asstolen in the system and I'm
talking about one that weactually that's the car, that's

(03:05:49):
the one that's stolen, we gotinto a pursuit with it or
whatnot.
Now it's the end of it andwe're we're taking the driver
into custody and investigatingwhat's going on.
Yeah, that's a force, I mean,and anybody that says that's not
a use of force is frigging nuts.
Yeah, we're having you know,because if somebody were to
start shooting, we're alreadythere using a use of force to to
end that threat.
And the last, the last thing wewant to do as a peace officer,

(03:06:12):
but that is technically, orwe're.
We're clearing a building and wego in there and we find,
because the alarm's going off,and then we find an employee
that didn't.
He's a new employee.
The alarm code changed and wefind him in the back of the room
and he's in plain clothes.
He's not the uniform of the dayfor that, for that specific
company.
Hey man, let me see your hands.
Blah, blah, blah, blah realquickly.

(03:06:32):
I hey man, let me see yourhands.
Blah, blah, blah, blah realquickly.
I'm an employee.
Oh my God, I came up here totake out the garbage.
I forgot, and it's the guy thatworks there and now you've got,
unfortunately some.
I mean I've had guys urinatethemselves.
I know if I was just a guycoming to do a business and I'm
going in there because I forgotto do something.
I didn't do the alarm right andthe cops came and I got Dude.

(03:06:58):
If somebody's pointing a gun atme, I'm human.
If you release something likethat, so I'm not saying that
that's a weak person, sounderstand that.
But that is also a use of force.
So we understand that as apanel and I want you guys to
understand that, because we cantalk all day long what use of
force is and what it isn't, butwhat Eric is saying is 100% true
and to be able to say that isreally good.

Speaker 1 (03:07:14):
Yeah, country Girl said.
First question on LE app shouldbe were you ever bullied?
If the answer is yes, explainhow it impacted you and how you
handled it.
Now, this is part of my problemand you're bringing up some
deep stuff here, country Girl.
One of the things that we havetalked about loosely on the show

(03:07:34):
several times is the hiringprocess.
There's a lot of things that wehave.
One of my biggest problems isthere is no standard for social
skills and that is one of thebiggest problems we have in
hiring standards for lawenforcement.
Because you have all thesethings.
You've got a physicalrequirement, you've got a mental
health check requirement, orwhat's another word for it

(03:07:57):
Banning that.
They do A psyche valve.

Speaker 4 (03:07:59):
A psyche valve polygraph.
I mean they're going in,they're trying to make sure that
you got a beating heart andyou're a reasonable and prudent
person is the bottom line, andyou can be a decision maker
without any other underlyingcauses or facts in your
background and they rear itsugly head and you make a wrong
decision.
I mean that's right, the bestyeah, later stenson, appreciate

(03:08:20):
your brother.

Speaker 1 (03:08:21):
Um, yeah, uh.
So in the hiring process one ofmy biggest problems with the
hiring process for police isthey yes, they do a credit check
, they do a lot of all of thesethings criminal check, psych
eval, physical fitness, mentalhealth, social skills.
That is the biggest problemwhen it comes to cops that fuck

(03:08:45):
up, that I see the inability totalk to people and the inability
to see social cues.
To see social cues where yousee somebody has a mental health
issue that you're going to dealwith and you treat them like a
suspect in a shooting versus aperson that's having a mental
health crisis.
So you know, you see thesecrisis intervention trainings

(03:09:07):
and all of these things thatthey're doing for people.
Well, guess what, guys, all thecrisis intervention training in
the world ain't going to make adifference if that person
doesn't have the social skillsto pick, pick up on the cues
that you see in those things.
And I don't know how to trainthat.
I don't know how to train thatpeople have it or they don't.

(03:09:27):
That's how I've seen it.
It doesn't mean I'm right.

Speaker 11 (03:09:30):
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I think
it's drastically changed overthe years too, and the way that
we have taught everything isbehind the screen and all those
different type of things.
They don't know how to hold aconversation.
My nine-year-old gets in thecar and I'm like, hey, how was

(03:09:50):
school today?
It was fine.
No, I need a few more wordsthan that from you.
And it's kind of.
He's already asking for aniPhone and I'm like, dude, first
off, you're nine.
Well, other kids in my classhave it, yeah, but their parents
don't know what I know aboutusing a phone, and I worked in a

(03:10:12):
school for a very long time.
I know what you can do and whatyou know.
We're not going to do that.
But they don't know how to holda conversation.
They think an emoji isexplaining their feelings, and
that's just not how it is.

Speaker 1 (03:10:26):
I remember thinking I was cool because I could spell
out boobs on a calculator upsidedown Boo-bless, boo-bless, yeah
, yeah, yeah, go ahead now.
Be blessed.

Speaker 10 (03:10:33):
Be blessed yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:10:36):
Yeah yeah, All right let's segue for one second,
because Skylar Ford asked a goodquestion earlier and, Eric, you
had made the comment of do youmean JP?
Answer yourself.
So he said I probably meant PJ.

Speaker 1 (03:10:51):
So he's talking about Air Force PJs?
Oh, the PJs pararescue.

Speaker 4 (03:10:53):
So let's answer that.
I mean you're the qualified oneto answer this.
Oh, the PJs pararescue.
So let's answer that.
I mean you're the qualified oneto answer this.

Speaker 1 (03:10:57):
Oh, would I like to have PJs as cops Fuck yes.
Good lord, listen, if you guysdon't know what pararescue are,
that's the Navy SEALs of the AirForce.
They go around with everyspecial forces group that's out
there.
They all want them.
They are the combat doctors ofthe field.
That is what you want.
Could I have ever been a pj?

(03:11:21):
No, I know my limitations.
I'm not smart enough and Ididn't have the motivation to do
it it looks like it came from.

Speaker 4 (03:11:29):
So, skylar, if you're still listening, I hope that
answers your question.
Looks like you're.
You're.
You're a texas, texas StateTrooper from your comment on
there.
Absolutely, brother.
I think that would be anoutstanding qualification and if
that's what you did in aprevious life, thank you for
what you did.

Speaker 1 (03:11:44):
If you just know your friends who did it.

Speaker 4 (03:11:46):
thank them for what they did.
I know some guys that are copsnow, that are former PJs, and
they usually got a go bag inthere that rivals everybody else
and I want them on the scene.
If we got a bad scene, theseguys can doctor it up real quick
a lot better than some medics.
Man, I mean, these guys arefreaking fantastic.

Speaker 1 (03:12:03):
PJs are Jesus man.
Listen, I know the chair forceearns its reputation.
I'm not even going to play andI'm a security forces member.
I'm, which just means I'm amilitary cop.
Don't let the.
When I say I'm sf, I'm fuckingaround guys.
Yes, I am sf.
Air quotes I'm security forces,but I am nothing special.

(03:12:26):
I stand at a gate salute, thankyou.
Welcome to the gates oflackland.
I let you in the building.
I guard planes like that's theextent of my military career I
have nothing special.
Look at bill fold's comment thathe's got my old jarhead opinion
is that an air force pj is oneof the baddest operators in the

(03:12:48):
world.

Speaker 4 (03:12:48):
Agreed, and mr bill fold.
If you ever come to texas,brother, I'm gonna buy you a
steak.
We're going to sit down, we'regoing to talk.

Speaker 1 (03:12:54):
Fuck yeah, One jar head to another man.
Let's freaking get it done,brother.
I'll take them out for sure.

Speaker 4 (03:13:01):
Yep.
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Speaker 1 (03:13:14):
Banning.
What is Mark 43?
I'm just curious.

Speaker 4 (03:13:17):
So I want to.
It may bore some people, butI'm excited about it.
So, mark 43, when you thinkabout it, when you call 911,
that's going through a softwaresystem when that dispatcher the
emergency dispatcher, 911dispatcher, whatever you want to
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emergency?
A lot of them think, oh, it'swhat's your emergency?

(03:13:38):
No, it's where your emergencyis.
And they're getting thatinformation and they're typing
that into a software.
That software, essentially, islaunched immediately to
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And Mark 43 is a platform and,um, and I have competitors out

(03:14:01):
there, meaning Mark 43 hascompetitors but ours is.
There's a reason I'm workingfor it.
It's a lot faster.
Um, we even have some AI toolsnow that we're using in the in
the officer field, in thedispatch field, for search
capabilities, looking up stuffand analytics field.
So that just means that higherup brass can sit there and look
at everything a department hasdone in whatever past timeframe

(03:14:24):
three months, ten months andpull up quantifiable data that
they can take to their citycouncil and they can go and ask
for more money for it.
We need more money in this area.
We need more money in that area.
Here's the quantifiable data orthe analytics piece on why, and
it brings the factual data out.
So the commissioners, if it's asheriff's office or city

(03:14:46):
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There's a lot of greatcompanies out there, but Mark 43
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They're investing in their owncompany and it has turned out to
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It's bringing out some greatresults.

(03:15:06):
So Mark 43 does that.
We bring information to themasses very fast to help resolve
a problem.

Speaker 1 (03:15:14):
It's awesome.
I like seeing the like.
You guys got to understand.
I knew Banning while he wasstill an active deputy, so to
see the passion behind what he'sdoing now, like it's pretty
cool, like I like it, it's funfor me, everybody understands, I
was blessed with some I hate tocall them followers but a ton
of connections on LinkedIn.

Speaker 4 (03:15:32):
And when I announced my retirement after my failed
run for office, which I'm soglad I was not elected only
because it's God's will.
Whatever you want to thinkhigher power, there was a reason
I didn't get elected.
And now my position in life isto bring this software to as
many agencies as I can.
And this helps for people thatdon't like law enforcement.

(03:15:53):
This helps for people thatdon't like law enforcement.
This helps for people that dolike law enforcement.
It brings the truth and thefacts faster.
So when you go up there and youdo what's called a FOIA Freedom
of Information Act and you wantto get that information because
of how Mark 43 is built and howthe court clerks work and the
clerks for the police department, fire department, they can get
that information a lot better toyou, faster and you get to see

(03:16:17):
truly everything that went on atthe call.
And that's what Mark 43 isreally really good at and that's
my.
I'm not going to call it ashameless club or plug, because
I absolutely love who I work forand that's the reason I'm in
Las Vegas right now.
I'm out here for SHOT Show andI'm out here to find out
different agencies or vendorshere that will work well with
what we do.
It's called Open API.

(03:16:38):
We're born in the cloud.
We're cloud native.
For those of you thatunderstand how dispatch center
works, most dispatch centershave what's called a cooling
room and you're going to have200 servers in there and all
these big CPU.
I'm not a computer guy.
I work for a tech company butI'm still not a computer guy and

(03:16:59):
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Ours is completely what'scalled the Amazon Web Service
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We're State Ramp High Certified, govramp High Certified and we
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We do state and local andthat's what I do.
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Speaker 1 (03:17:20):
Ryan LeMay.
I just want to give a shout out.
He said after listening to187,382 episodes of the podcast,
I finally caught a live one.
Greetings from the mountains ofnude hamster.

Speaker 4 (03:17:33):
That's awesome, never heard it called that, Love it I
got.
I got family in New Hampshire,so that's outstanding.

Speaker 1 (03:17:42):
Love it, love it.
All right guys, let's.
I'm.
I've got a lot of energy, I'msorry.
Let's go, I'm going to go to avideo.

Speaker 4 (03:17:51):
So I got a video loaded up here I'm going to go
to a video, so I got a videoloaded up here.

Speaker 1 (03:17:58):
I'm going to share the screen.
It's only 9 o'clock where I'mat, brother Hell, yeah, man,
let's fucking go.
It's almost midnight where I'mat, but I don't give a shit.
Are you doing it?
You waiting, motherfucker.
You started taking it.

Speaker 4 (03:18:09):
Okay, okay, you got it.
We love you, alan.
That means, I love you?

Speaker 1 (03:18:14):
Which one is it?
Yep, that one, that one?
Yes, sir, that's it.
Learn your job, alan, come onwhat's the address to your
emergency?

Speaker 12 (03:18:22):
I'm at the Chick-fil-A 33rd and Broadway.
This is about a gentleman whohas been exposing himself to
minors the Lord's Chicken.
He's been identified by acouple of our guests here.

Speaker 1 (03:18:33):
Okay, so we got a dude exposing himself at the
Lord's Chicken's House ofChick-fil-A.
That's my accent for Texans.
My pleasure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If anybody's never been toChick-fil-A, it's always my
pleasure.

Speaker 11 (03:18:47):
It's been my pleasure yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:18:51):
Hey, before you hit play, I'm sorry, but somebody
just sent me this reel thismorning and I woke up with a big
smile only because this realand in the real I think it was
Instagram, I think that's theonly one I do Basically a guy
standing.
You know how they for those ofyou have Chick-fil-A sometimes
they get busy and they have guysout there, girls out there,
with the actual tablet.
They're taking the payment andthe order right there, and it's

(03:19:14):
every time at the end of it,they have a business model
that's amazing.
Regardless of what you thinkabout Chick-fil-A, their
business model is fantastic, butin this reel it's a comedy
spoof.

Speaker 15 (03:19:30):
And the guy says no problem being the employee of
Chick-fil-A, and then he's likeno, I mean my pleasure, and this
squad of goons pull up anunmarked Chick-fil-A vehicles
and they take him away.

Speaker 4 (03:19:40):
And then you can hear a pop in the background and
then another Chick-fil-A comesup and he's like you're already
ready, where's the other guy?
My pleasure?
And he tried to get him todrive on and I'm sorry, but that
is the funniest video I've seenall week.
So look up some of those spoofsfrom Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 11 (03:19:58):
It's almost like Trunk Monkeys.

Speaker 1 (03:20:00):
Yeah, the old Trunk Monkey.
Yeah, those are the best videos.
Oh man, that's old schoolpolice training right there.
Oh shit.
All right, let's go to thisvideo.
Is he still?

Speaker 13 (03:20:10):
there.
Now, correct, he is still here.

Speaker 12 (03:20:12):
He is eating currently.
Is he still there now?
Correct?
He is still here.
He is eating currently.
It looks like he's wearing whathe was wearing in the picture
that was posted on y'all'sInstagram, oh so he's what.
He's going to be in the men'srestroom.
Hey, we're going to go overhere and talk outside real quick
.
All right, we're just going togo ahead and talk.
We're just going to go aheadand talk.
Pause.

Speaker 1 (03:20:33):
So this isn't just anybody exposing themselves.
One.
You've got a third-partywitness that is going to be your
main person, but he said itmatches the person on your
Instagram page.
So that means the departmenthas put out a bolo or a bee on
the lookout for this person.
So for me, as I'm asking thisperson to walk outside, I am now

(03:21:00):
in close enough proximity thatI can go hands-on.
I'm going to maintain positivecontrol of this person to let
him know, no matter what, I havereasonable, articulable
suspicion and that he is notfree to leave, and that he is
not free to leave and that he isnot going to go anywhere
because I'm going to keep holdof him in this particular

(03:21:22):
situation.
Anybody got a problem with that.
No, okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 12 (03:21:29):
First, I'm going to talk outside for a second so we
can get away from people Cool.
Grab that wrist.

Speaker 1 (03:21:41):
Oh, he's gone.
He's rabbiting.
Yep, see, this is why I'm goingto keep.
I haven't seen this video.
This is why I said I would keeppositive control of him,
because I'm not going to letthis dude get out of my sight
and he is a perv.

Speaker 11 (03:21:58):
He's exposing himself to people who's holding
the door.
Is that just a?

Speaker 1 (03:22:03):
citizen.
Okay, yeah, somebody coming in.

Speaker 11 (03:22:06):
I didn't know if it was another officer, so from
here as he takes off.

Speaker 1 (03:22:11):
Now we got decisions to make.
Am I fast?
Can I catch up to him?
If I can, I'm going to tacklehis ass If he's faster than me.
I'm going to tase his ass Ifhe's faster than the taser.
We got a lot of radio trafficto get out there.

Speaker 10 (03:22:32):
Let's see what happens, stop.
Okay, told him to stop.

Speaker 1 (03:22:38):
Looks like we're catching up.
Oh, now we're losing him.
Come on, okay, we're gaining.
We're gaining.
Stop eating his head, alright,I'm okay with it.

Speaker 10 (03:22:53):
Ow Got him on the run, turn over, turn over and
stop him.

Speaker 11 (03:23:01):
That is fucking hard to do y'all, you don't
understand.

Speaker 1 (03:23:03):
My man did that on the run, so when he slowed down
right here.

Speaker 11 (03:23:08):
I bet he's pulling the taser out like crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:23:10):
Oh yeah, you can see his hand go down to it, like as
he says, stop or I'm gonna taseyou like that is hard to do.
That's a braggable shot rightthere.
Stop eating a tase.
Now I will say when you're goingto deploy a taser one of the

(03:23:33):
things that they train us on,and this is the education side
of everything that I do guysdoing it over cement or blacktop
is frowned upon.
We try not to do that.
However, as you can see, therewas no other opportunity for him
to do this and the guy wasstarting to pull away now, given

(03:23:54):
what he was doing exposinghimself to children at the
chick-fil-a I'm okay with thisall day long.
Like this was this guy got offlight?

Speaker 11 (03:24:05):
um, well, and there there's other things going on
here, because I they evidentlyhad a picture of him up, wanting
to know who this guy was rightlike this is not just a one-off
of running into this dude.

Speaker 1 (03:24:16):
They knew who they were looking for and he's been a
problem.
So on this we got lucky.
The guy didn't get seriouslyinjured being tased over cement.
Full disclosure.
I tased the guy on the streettop and it knocked him
unconscious.
He wasn't on the cement overthe road top, he was in a yard.

(03:24:39):
And when I pulled the triggerhe said taser, taser, taser.
This is kind of my problemSometimes with announcing.
He heard me say it and he triedto juke to the left.
Well, I'd already pulled thetrigger and when he juked to the
left cause I yelled taser, tas.
Juked to the left because Iyelled taser, taser, taser.

Speaker 11 (03:24:57):
Now he's on the street and that knocked him out.
So that brings up a goodquestion.

Speaker 1 (03:24:59):
Do you have to say it ?

Speaker 4 (03:25:00):
Policy, yeah, the way you're trained Most departments
medium to large sizedepartments will have you state
that and the reason that'sstated in there.
If you have other officers withyou, it's the I'm not pulling
my gun, I'm pulling a taser.
This is less than lethal.
You're announcing that I'mgoing less than lethal Because
if you don't, you're going toget that pop noise and then

(03:25:21):
you're going to get a couple ofdifferent noises, right, eric?
So if you have good contact,you're going to have more of a
muffled sound.
There's not going to be muchnoise If you have not so good
contact you're going to hear.

Speaker 1 (03:25:32):
I mean it's really fast Trying to find connection,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:25:36):
Trying to find connection on that.

Speaker 1 (03:25:38):
Yep, yeah, I like Eye of the Night because he's got
that Undertaker pose right now.

Speaker 11 (03:25:45):
You're not wrong, he ran so fast out of his shoes.

Speaker 1 (03:25:48):
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did run out of hisshoes, hey.

Speaker 11 (03:25:52):
I'll say he wasn't over the asphalt when he hit him
.
He was over a car car like hewas going around the edge of
that car.
You know he used it as support.

Speaker 1 (03:26:00):
There you go, that doesn't matter like my man's on
his black top the whole way um.
So you do have to be, careful.
It is it, it.

Speaker 11 (03:26:10):
It's something that you need to consider now you had
an officer killed somebody uphere, um, he tased him in a in a
living room and he fell and hitthe corner of a coffee table
damn, no.

Speaker 1 (03:26:21):
Yeah uh.
Mr bill says he looked like hegot a little holy spirit on
contact, but none of y'all got aproblem with this.
Listen, like some of the mostanti-cop guys are on here
chatting back and forth.
Ain't none of y'all have aproblem with this one?
I love it uh it's funnyuniversally everybody.

(03:26:43):
When a kid's involved,everybody's on the same page.

Speaker 4 (03:26:45):
It's kind of when you're, when you're a sick sob,
that that exposes yourself.
I'm sorry, I mean I'm nottalking, I'm not implicating.
Oh, I should have shot.
No, the tas.
He's running away.
We have to figure out who thisis.
Yeah, period, I mean, you know,I mean that girl.
Think about, think about thevictim in a situation like this.
We have to do that for everycase that young lady is going to

(03:27:07):
have to deal with this in hermind, regardless of her age.
For the rest of her life, yepfor the rest of her life, and
now we can bring this person tojustice, and to me that's police
work.

Speaker 1 (03:27:17):
So from here, now that he stays, now we're giving
verbal commands Roll over yourstomach.
Roll over your stomach If hetries to get up, if he tries to
reach in his waistband oranything like that.
Hopefully we still have a goodconnection and we're going to
give him another ride.
If not, and he's digging, thenwe're going to have to switch
over to a firearm.
But let's see what happensRight now he's got that

(03:27:47):
neuromuscular incapacitation.

Speaker 10 (03:27:49):
That's what he had.
Pause.

Speaker 1 (03:27:52):
This is where cops fuck up.
We got two people yellinginstructions now.
Luckily they were on the samepage.
They're both yelling the samething more times than not.
They don't yell the same thingand that's where we get a lot of
problems.
So, officers, if you'relistening to this podcast and
you're like, how can we improve?
One person talks, somebody'sgot to take command, hey, shut

(03:28:16):
the fuck up.
I'm talking, I'm okay with that.
I've done it a lot.
I've told officers shut up.
I'm talking.
I got this.
Other times I've been told toshut up.
Hey, levine, shut your mouth.
I got it.
I got it.
Oh, you got it.
My bad, because we do.
We get lost in the saucesometimes.
I'm susceptible to it, justlike everybody else.

Speaker 11 (03:28:37):
So he didn't split the equator and it worked pretty
well.

Speaker 4 (03:28:41):
It's pretty impressive yep one's here and
one's here yep, he had enoughspread him being a guy
personally is if he truly didwhat he did, it's probably why
it was good contact.
Yep, sorry, yep.
Keep going, hi, hi.

Speaker 1 (03:29:18):
There we go.
Mr billfold said I hatepolicing.
I hate bad policing, not goodpolicing.
Um, all right, let's go.
Man, I'm broke.
I'm telling y'all I am in themood tonight.
We are at three and a halfhours.
I don't give a fuck, I'm havinga good time.
We've got over.
We got 45 people at leastshowing right now.

(03:29:38):
I'm all about guys.
If you haven't heard my wholepremise on this, if I have 30
people, that's a full classroom.
So that's what I'm trying toappeal to.
If we got two or three people,okay, yeah, all right, have a
good night.
We've got over a classroom fullhere, so I'm down to keep going

(03:29:58):
Banning's in a city thatdoesn't sleep and Alan has no
choice.

Speaker 11 (03:30:06):
Just for your information, Banning and I have
seen this one If you want tokeep going.

Speaker 1 (03:30:11):
Which one?

Speaker 11 (03:30:11):
Have you the Grappler.

Speaker 4 (03:30:13):
Oh, oh, the Grappler.
Yeah, which one have you, theGrappler?
Oh the Grappler.
Let's watch it.
I mean, there may be people inthe audience and I'll be quiet
on it and I'll give my opinionat the end, once Eric is done.

Speaker 1 (03:30:21):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it.
I don't know why half the videohas been shown already.
There we go.

Speaker 11 (03:30:27):
Well, it was on your computer from last week.

Speaker 1 (03:30:29):
It might have started when I wasn't, when you weren't
playing with it.
I mean, I know what thegrappler is.
You're not sharing.
One job around here you knowwhat an idiot who hired this guy
.
I'm not paying you this week.

Speaker 10 (03:30:49):
Damn.
Getting the news, I was likepeople are getting paid.

Speaker 11 (03:30:56):
Oh shit, we piggy-sied big, big time.
Yeah, you did, thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:31:05):
Alan, you're not sharing the right one.

Speaker 12 (03:31:06):
Hold on, I got it, I got it, I got it.

Speaker 4 (03:31:14):
Just like Walmart.
We'll hire him.

Speaker 11 (03:31:18):
Well, it helps when you have.
I have a 30-inch monitor.
He has a little bit bigger,5,000-inch monitor 57 inches.
It's okay, it's cool he'scompensating.
You can tell people it's biggerover here.

Speaker 1 (03:31:32):
I get it.
There we go.
I'll you, mr Billfold.
Okay.
So in these pursuits right nowdirection of travel speed, what

(03:31:52):
the traffic conditions are thoseare the updates we're going to
keep continuously giving to thesupervisors Guys like me who
want to know that aren'tinvolved Right now, middle of
the night, there's no trafficout here, Depending on what it
is.
I'm going to approve thispursuit.
They've got what's called agrappler.

(03:32:14):
He's going to deploy it.
I've never used one one ofthese.
We don't have him where I'm at.

Speaker 4 (03:32:19):
It's got it.
Now southbound on case for meLight traffic 849.

(03:32:41):
610,.

Speaker 1 (03:32:42):
Steve Smokey's up Over the tracks.
Oh, he's got him, he's hookedhim up.
Fish on, fish on.
Oh I like the bird.

Speaker 2 (03:32:52):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (03:32:53):
Oh, my favorite part .
I have not seen this 345,.

Speaker 7 (03:33:00):
that's okay, thank you.
Is anyone coming?

Speaker 1 (03:33:03):
Slow down, okay.
So from here we're going to gointo what's called a felony stop
.
We're not going to approach thevehicle, we're going to give
out verbal commands from the car.
So I'm going to be takingcommand.
If it's me in this, we'll gowith this white SUV here and I'm
going to be yelling out shutyour sirens off.
We're going to do felony stopand I'm going to be yelling

(03:33:25):
felony stop, felony stop.
So everybody knows.
So we need to get the sirensoff.
So I can either give commandsover the loudspeaker or verbally
, and we're going to have themcome out of the vehicle one by
one and walk back to us so wecan stay behind cover.
That's how that would go slowdown, slow down.

Speaker 10 (03:33:47):
We're good, slow down, slow down radio county one
good grapple all right, thisguy's awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:33:55):
He's already taken lead.
This is exactly what I wastalking about.
Now, I haven't seen thisBanning and Allen have, so I
don't know what's going tohappen.
Great job, great fucking work.
All right, counting his chickensfor the hatch A little too soon
for my liking.
Yeah, you got it hooked up,fucking great.
He's not in custody yet, likerelax, and it sounds like

(03:34:22):
canines on scene so I can hearthe dog barking.
So I'm going to make sure thatif I'm in charge, I am going to
yell out to the canine first.
Do you want this?
Because canine has precedenceover everything.
Banning is that how you weretrained?

Speaker 4 (03:34:42):
it is I mean it also depends on the situation.
Why did it start?
Obviously, if it's coming froman armed situation like we had a
fast food joint that was shotup and I made it on scene and my
dog wasn't that go in andretrieve, bite and pull out the
dog that I have was more of atracker, narcotics finder and
article recovery finder.

(03:35:02):
We did have a dog that was onthe opposite shift to be that
guy that put on a 50 foot longline and if that driver's window
was down we could actually sendthat dog in His name was Bruno
to retrieve that person.
Where they lock onto their armor whatever body parts exposed
and we and we use that long line, we drag them in, but if it's
something to where they theyleft something with firearms

(03:35:23):
involved we're going to go atthis with with uh force unforced
to where we can safely get themout.
Nobody else gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (03:35:30):
Andy fletcher, you made me laugh because if it's
deaf, we're going to beat him up.
Shut up, why is?

Speaker 11 (03:35:36):
it always Bruno or Nitro Are the meanest.

Speaker 4 (03:35:41):
Yeah, the first dog that I had that ate my lunch To
where you can see the scars.
His name was Diesel.
Diesel is a common one.

Speaker 1 (03:35:50):
I'm like, if it's a Diesel, I'm not getting around
that dog, trust him.
Let's see Country girl saidLike, if it's a diesel, I'm not
getting around that dog, trusthim.
Let's see Country Girl saidthat's what I said, eric, don't
get cocky yet.
Yeah, exactly.
You ain't got him in custody.
Okay, so K-9 is yelling outcommands.

(03:36:10):
Look at me, Damn.
I feel like N nostradamus rightnow.
Hands are up.
I like it listening what I dokeep your fucking hands up you

(03:36:34):
gotta refrain, guys.
Officers, if you're listeningto this podcast right now and
you respect anything out of uson the panel, that what we're
saying I understand.
Y'all are little fucking alphawolf hunters.
Y'all want to get some.
You gotta know your role.
Your role is to shut yourfucking mouth here.

(03:36:54):
One person talks.

Speaker 4 (03:36:56):
And don't be that guy that's a marine of the stack
out there saying we stopped youbecause you get an air force
check on your car.
Funny, but don't just let itout.

Speaker 10 (03:37:05):
You can say that blue too you know what?

Speaker 1 (03:37:09):
I'm going home taking a ball with me you fuckers,
yeah.
So on this, like shut up.
If you weren't talking, it'snot time to talk.
Shut your mouth.
Let the guy that was givingcommands talk.
What this guy just said was outof pocket.
If I was a supervisor,depending on your record, that

(03:37:31):
might be a write-up for meBecause you may have just
escalated something that wasn'tgoing to escalate.
That may be a pee-pee slap aswe commonly refer to.
I don't like that shit.
Man.
Like relax, I get it, you're analpha.

Speaker 11 (03:37:51):
Cool, Well, and it caused him to escalate too,
because the suspect respondsright actually let me go back
just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:38:01):
We'll see one guy's talking keep your fucking hands
up his hands are already up.
Granted, this cop probably wasabout to start saying that
before his hands came up, and so, for science, we'll tell you a

(03:38:22):
little bit of delay.
But that's not your function.
Right here, somebody's alreadytalking.
Your function is safety.
Sit back, make sure there's nothreats, make sure he doesn't
reach for anything, anythinglike that.
Keep your mouth shut.
You're not helping.
Is Tim leaving?

Speaker 11 (03:38:46):
Tim had to go.

Speaker 4 (03:38:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:38:49):
Sorry I had to.
Jet.
Got granddaughter in themorning.
Appreciate you, tim.
Sorry, how long ago was that?
Not long Three minutes.
Hopefully he saw it gotgranddaughter in the morning and
been a fun one good one Iappreciate you, tim.
Sorry if I I.
How long ago was that uh?

Speaker 11 (03:38:58):
not long three minutes.

Speaker 1 (03:38:59):
Okay, hopefully he saw I feel bad if he didn't see
you say goodbye, so keep goingkeep your hands up okay.
So you hear somebody say I got40.
40 is a foam round.
It's a 40-millimeter foam roundlauncher.

(03:39:20):
Basically Shit hurts.

Speaker 10 (03:39:25):
Keep walking back, keep walking.
Keep walking, keep walking.

Speaker 1 (03:39:30):
Okay, we still got a command problem.
We got too many people chimingin.
However, my man's hands areopen.
I'm fairly confident if I'm theofficers here.
I'm fairly confident becausehis hands are.
I can see there's nothing inthem and there's a fur missile

(03:39:51):
right there.
Yeah, and you got the furmissile ready to launch.
So for me, people get reallyhyped on this stuff and I
understand why if you're notused to it, but for me, this is
where I'm going to be like I cansee your hand dude.
Hey man, listen, let's calmdown.
Everybody relax.
Keep walking backwards, keepwalking backwards.
Everybody and this is me, ifI'm giving commands and I've

(03:40:12):
done this before hey, everybodyelse, watch the car, right, I
want my arrest team to watch himand it's probably just his
credentials in that air forcemercy.
He's got strapped around why Igotta be an air force murse man,
I'm just busting your ballsbrother motherfucker and the
hybrid he's driving right.

(03:40:34):
So, um, I I like this is how Ipersonally, like I said, we
don't, we're not monday morningquarterbacking.
So for me, as I'm dealing withthis call, I'm telling you how I
would do it.
I would be like all right,everybody, this is my
opportunity to calm things downand that's what I need to do.
Um, so I'm gonna be likeeverybody relax, arrest team.
I want you to watch him,everybody else watch the car and

(03:40:56):
I'm going to say all right, man, you've been cool, we
appreciate it.
Keep your hands where I can seethem.
Now I just need you to slowlywalk back towards me.
Just keep walking towards myvoice.
You are doing great.
You're doing exactly what weneed you to do.
We're going to explaineverything as soon as we it that
way and that's how I roll.
So see what they do.

Speaker 10 (03:41:17):
Keep walking, stop, stop, drop to your knees.
Drop to your knees, hands onyour head Move in way, watch out
, watch out, watch out.
I love it.
What did I do wrong?

Speaker 13 (03:41:33):
County 1 to 10.
They're in the car.

Speaker 10 (03:41:35):
Occupants in the car .
Occupants in the car, come outnow.

Speaker 1 (03:41:38):
Okay.
So what they're doing now isjust ghost calling that's what
I've called it or phantomcalling.
We don't know if there'sanybody else in there, so we
pretend there is.
Hey, other occupants of the car, come out with your hands up,
give a few ghost calls and thenwe're going to tactically move
up.
Pick a side of the car andwe're going to tactically move
up.
Pick a side of the car andwe're going to clear that car.

Speaker 10 (03:42:01):
Once the car is clear, everything relaxes from
there.

Speaker 1 (03:42:05):
And that looks like what they do, so we'll stop
sharing the Grappler Badassdevice.

Speaker 4 (03:42:13):
I've been following that company since 2002.
Ever since I got in lawenforcement, I found a video of
it online.
I don't even think it wasYouTube, but I was like man,
they've got something here.
The only problem I have with itand just trying to be a
perfectionist of you have to getso close.
Yeah, yeah, your vehicle hasgot to get so close.
And if you're in a high speedand you guys run three digits

(03:42:36):
over 100 miles an hour andyou've got to get that go up.
I think it's the highest and Imay be wrong.
Look online and tell me if I'mright, but I believe it's eight
feet from that front bumper.
Really, at 100 miles an hour,eight feet is freaking close,
yeah.

Speaker 11 (03:42:50):
Well, you noticed how you started to go in on the
driver's tire and then, you know, the car kind of cut over and
ended up on the passenger sideyeah and you see most of those
deployments on the driver rear,because that's the way it's
designed, that's the way you'retrained.

Speaker 4 (03:43:03):
But, by god, if you got to grab that passenger rear
and you're about to come to aright turn I think they were
about to to do that he was ableto get it stopped, so it was a
thank god he got it stopped.

Speaker 1 (03:43:13):
I outlasted my mom.
She's going to bed, she's gotto take the, she's taking my
girls to school in the morning.

Speaker 4 (03:43:18):
So good night mom for watching.

Speaker 1 (03:43:23):
Um, but uh, yeah, grappler's badass, very cool
device.
Um, let's see the next video,if you will share.
Beautiful biggie size and go.
We're turning on a driftwood,all right.
So we have a pursuit on snowand ice in the in a neighborhood

(03:43:49):
, so for me it's not gonna gethigh speed.
Yep, I grew, I grew up inmichigan.
I, I know how this is going togo.
Um, it's not going to get highspeed, so you don't have to
worry about some freaking, crazy, monumental crash.
Um, so pursuits are more likelyto happen in these conditions,
uh, just because you're notgoing to get up to an egregious

(03:44:11):
speed.
So take it slow, take it easy,keeping them in sight.
Just keep calling out direction, um and description.
Don't know why they're runninglike already wrecked out.
Now we got people out on thestreet by body language.

(03:44:35):
Don't give a shit.

Speaker 4 (03:44:37):
I was looking at a mail carrier.
He's like are you a?

Speaker 1 (03:44:40):
dumbass it's like another day in the hood.
I don't know what's going on.
This does not look like a hood,by the way.
This actually looks like aneighborhood I grew up in.

Speaker 11 (03:44:53):
I think it is the mailman.

Speaker 1 (03:44:55):
It does look like it.
Look still walking forward, noteven trying to get out of the
way.
Just keep him on view.
He made his way back around.
Tell how many times it'soccupied.
I think it is.
Oh, I think that was debrisfrom the mailbox.

(03:45:16):
I'm going to stay way backComing up on the intersection.
I'm already slowing down, noteven trying to get up on him.
Clear my intersection, I don'twant to have traffic.

Speaker 13 (03:45:37):
No traffic right now .
We're going to put it on ourburrito, one thing you can't
trust.

Speaker 1 (03:45:45):
I understand that you can see clear ground here, but
in a cold state that doesn'tmean that it's not slippery guys
.
Yep, even in texas.
Just keep them on view.
That's my only goal here sellout direction to travel.
Keep them on view now,depending on what we're chasing

(03:46:10):
before.
If this is a traffic offense,like you might let them go.
I don't see any cars out here,though, so it doesn't look like
it's a busy time of night or day.
Yeah there we go.
I'm gonna stay in my car pleasestop all right, this is where we

(03:46:31):
differ how I would rode my carup until it didn't spin anymore
I'm not getting out of my car,uh, and it looked like it was
one occupant um, I'm still notsure why we're chasing, but
regardless we're chasing um.
So if we're gonna unaskedvehicle now I gotta describe

(03:46:53):
what I got my guy.
It's a male.
I'm going to give out race, ifI can see it.
White male, black male, asianmale, hispanic male, whatever it
is.
Looks like he's wearing allblack, traveling in whatever
direction.

Speaker 10 (03:47:11):
Stop, get on the ground right.
Now he says I'm not going torun.

Speaker 1 (03:47:13):
Stop, get on the ground right now he says I'm not
going to run Now.
I haven't watched any more ofthis.
But the officer, he's got greatdemeanor.
He escalated like his voicedoesn't even sound all worked up
.
He accepted this guy for whathe's doing.
He's given up.
So that tells me that thisofficer has great training and

(03:47:35):
that he recognizes that hedoesn't need to be peaked up
here.
Where he was at on the pursuithe's dropped his level with an
appropriate level of what thebad guy's given him.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 13 (03:47:51):
Take one of the dust .

Speaker 10 (03:47:52):
I'm all bleeding.

Speaker 1 (03:47:55):
Great fucking work.
This is police work.
This is great police work.
This needs to be Listen he'snot even worked up.
You notice, the suspect just puthis hand Up by his face.
He didn't all of a sudden Freakout.
Show me your fucking hand Likehe.
That that was.

(03:48:15):
This is what we're talkingabout.
This should be fuckingcelebrated.
Yep, this is listen, guys, tome to banning to Alan.
This is normal police work.
This is what we're used toseeing, and I and I'm I'm going
ape shit over it because theproblem is, it doesn't get.
Nobody sees this this is hownormal, like this bad guy, uh,

(03:48:42):
whatever.
Um, I'm gonna read the titlebecause I don't know what's
going on um 14 year old boycrashes stolen car.
Oh okay, so it's a stolen car.
So yeah, like, and it'sprobably a family member yeah,
you're, definitely, you can beunauthorized use.

Speaker 4 (03:48:56):
Most motor vehicle, most accidents it's a.
He took my car without myconsent.
By god, I don't want to lose myinsurance because this kid
could wreck out out there andcops get behind him.

Speaker 1 (03:49:06):
He gets scared and he takes off.
Yeah, brandon sterling said,big redwood has just rolled up
on him at two miles an hour andopened the door up on them.
Suspect down.
I've tried that before, no lie,I've tried that, but they ended
up ducking over to the left.
I couldn't get to them.

(03:49:27):
I'm just kidding, I would neverdo that.
So, yeah, this is the stuffthat I like to highlight that
people they're like why are yougetting so nuts over this?
Like you don't understand, likenobody shows this stuff.
Like this is how the majorityof police work that I see.

(03:49:48):
This is how it goes.
The officers aren't worked up.
They're professional.
They know what to do.
This, this was great policework.
They kept them on view.
They didn't pressure them.
They didn't put anybody on theroad at risk.
This guy did this kid.
He's 14 years old, couldn'thandle it.
But these officers stayed back.
This was great.

(03:50:09):
This was normal every day,great work.

Speaker 4 (03:50:13):
You want to know how I know a lot of the same people
are coming back to watch ourvideos, because I was just
referred to as mr big red bigred.
That was like eight episodesago you went in there and
changed my.
I'm like how the hell did youchange?

Speaker 9 (03:50:25):
my name.
I put that in there by godright, big red, I know right oh,
that's so funny there it goes.

Speaker 4 (03:50:39):
It's about to pop up.
I can, I can uh.

Speaker 1 (03:50:41):
Yeah, I hear the clicks, yeah, so uh yeah, I'm
right too uh, how you like thatone, mr Bill Fold he was
supporting me a minute ago.
Oh shit, all right, I got mylast video that I had pulled up,

(03:51:03):
so we'll do this one.
Jesus, we had almost afour-hour fucking podcast.
I love it.
Let me share this Share screen,all right?
Biggie says this guy.
A pursuit I saw being 55traffic light on northbound.
Northbound on D-19.

(03:51:24):
Livingston.
That may be Michigan, these are50 miles an hour.

Speaker 7 (03:51:31):
These are 50.
How's the road?

Speaker 1 (03:51:41):
Wet but clear.
Turning on the kettle, kettle.
Okay, so he's not wrong.
I would have called that fairlyclear.

Speaker 4 (03:51:44):
He was asking for supervisor's permission, um do,
we do, we, yeah, we did oh,y'all watch this one well, we,
actually we broke it down on thelast show.

Speaker 1 (03:51:57):
Oh, okay, I'll keep going with it, because I haven't
seen it, so maybe it'll givepeople a perspective of me.
Mr Buffalo, you're such ajealous gal.
They're on Teta West at E19.
Okay, good spot to pit, therewe go.
Oh, uns.
Spot to pit, there we go.

(03:52:17):
Oh, unsuccessful pit, okay,from here.
I don't know that I'm going toget out of my car.
I may reverse to get in abetter position, because if I
get out of my car I risk gettingrun over.
So that's the way I'm lookingat it right now.

(03:52:40):
I don't want to stay in myvehicle, though.

Speaker 10 (03:52:45):
Hands up, hands up.

Speaker 1 (03:52:51):
Oh, this is giving us a better view.
Oh, we got two cars in lineBeautiful.
So if I'm the second vehicle,I'm going to get up there and
block them.
Yep, it's like what I wouldhave got closer.
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (03:53:11):
We discussed that the last time, Jesus that's
terrible.

Speaker 11 (03:53:14):
You know, what's really interesting, eric, is we
got to listen to you just talkabout it.
Yeah, and everything you'rebringing up like that was a good
tip.
That was this.
I had to back up and then, assoon as I got out of the car, we
all said the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (03:53:31):
Oh my God, he's running after the window.
Yeah, I'm like Jesus.

Speaker 11 (03:53:35):
So okay, we will.
So, did you see in the driver'svehicle when you did the pit
maneuver?
That's going to be yourquestion as this gets, as this
continues on Right.
That's, there's a couple ofquestions we're going to have
for you.

Speaker 1 (03:53:49):
Yeah, I, I didn't see .
I did not see how manyoccupants were in there.
I didn't see anything.
So, um, I all I saw was a pitand, like I said, I I am not
getting.
I want to unask my vehicle.
I'm okay with that, but I wouldhave gotten um, let me get the
mouse where this guy's at.
If I'm the driver, I'm comingback here and I'm gonna tell

(03:54:12):
this guy in this vehicle tofucking pull up, like I want to
create a boxed in scenario, um,and I don't want to get run over
, so no, and then you would havebegan calling him out yeah,
right, yeah, I would have hadverbal command.
It's a felony stop.
That's what this is.
It's no different.
Same thing we had on the lastone felony stop.

Speaker 11 (03:54:32):
Yeah, I'm not okay, you're gonna definitely want to
keep playing clear makingcontact okay, I hope they can
see in the car.

Speaker 1 (03:54:44):
All right, what?
Oh shit yeah, now it justturned into a totally no
scenario think about if you're.

Speaker 11 (03:54:58):
You know, this question got brought up to us
last week, you know.
Think about if we're behindthat vehicle and we're just
trying to call him out and he'ssitting there bleeding out is
what it is.
Yep, exactly is what it is yeah, so maybe the officer saw
something, you know, when he didthe pit so he thought to rush
to the vehicle, but stillthere's a knife involved.

(03:55:20):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:55:26):
I have the night set.
Whoever does the uploads?
Have you considered puttingtime stamps in the comment
section for bookmarks for eachof the main video?
I have not, because we don'twatch them.
Yeah, yeah, we don't watch thevideos.
That's part of the the fun.
Um, I think that's what gives usour unique way that we do this.

(03:55:47):
We don't know what we'rewatching.
That's why these two guys juststayed quiet on the last two
videos, because I wasn't a partof the last live and they were,
and these were videos theyshowed and they let me, they,
they, they knew what was goingto happen and I didn't.
So I'm the one that talked andI gave you my perspective.
So, um, what was interestingabout that was you guys were

(03:56:08):
able to see the similaritiesbetween the training, and none
of us have worked for the samedepartment.
So that's why we do what we dokind of understand.
You guys can kind of see howtraining is similar in a lot of
ways, but then it differs somuch from other places.
Um, let's see, uh, I want to belike alan when I grow up.

(03:56:29):
You need to have higher goalsbro.
Uh, here comes the bus mrbillfold said we did this with
von uh lex luther of forcescience right.

Speaker 11 (03:56:44):
Uh much love I think it was wizard von last week,
yeah, wizard.

Speaker 4 (03:56:50):
So I'm having dinner with him either tomorrow night
or the next night.
So he'll get a laugh out ofthat, mr Bill Bro you've got to
convince him to be one of us.

Speaker 1 (03:56:59):
I'm going to talk to him.
He's got to be a two-council.

Speaker 4 (03:57:02):
I told you, man, he loves doing this.
His mind is so in love.

Speaker 1 (03:57:07):
Bro, I want to get him on here.
So bad, I mean.
The thing is, he's such asought-after dude and we can't
offer him anything other thanjust the luxury of being on here
with us.
Sure, but he loves doing it.

Speaker 4 (03:57:23):
I mean, this is his passion, and they always say if
you do something that you'repassionate, it's not even work,
so he's already doing it for acareer.
Yeah.
What he was trying to say inthat text between you and I.
He loved it.
So once the trial season isover, you see a lot more Vaughn
on here.
He's told you that and I thinkthat the people watching this

(03:57:45):
will get a lot out of hearingVaughn, because Vaughn, truly,
you know, he's the type of guyyou can hide that constitution
and say what is this and he canread it backwards and forwards
to you, and I love that about aman.
You know, I'm just a cop.
I'm not going to sit here andpretend like I'm some superhero,
I'm just a cop.
I've had a lot of years ofexperience.
I make sure that I don'tviolate somebody's fourth

(03:58:07):
amendment first, second, third,the best that I can and I try to
give them the best advice I canon scene as well, even though I
was wearing a badge.
It's like hey, dude, you knowwhat, don't feel freaking
obligated, get your attorneyinvolved, yeah.
Do your thing.
You know what I mean.
But, yes, everything that yousay to me is going to be
utilized in this call.
So yeah, vaughn's a good dudeman.

(03:58:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58:31):
Bill Fulton fucking with me all night tonight.
He said Eric has zero sugarhaterade in his bucket.
Tonight With Vaughn has donebreaking down constitutionality
and training for police isimpressive to me because that's
what we need out there.
I agree.

Speaker 4 (03:58:49):
I think Vaughn's instructions, which I so.
Mr Bill Fold, everybody that'swatching Bannick this, nobody.
I get to go to one of hisclasses on Thursday and it's a
four-hour class.
I get to go in there and sitand be his content dude.
That's going to put it out forLinkedIn.
So if you follow me on LinkedIn, I'm going to put a lot of

(03:59:10):
things out on the class itself.
So please tune in.
And there's another gentlemandown there that's going to be
doing that as well.
Vaughn is.
He's an awesome.
I wish how do I put this?
I wish I knew half the stuffthat Vaughn has already forgot
about law enforcement.
If you run that through yourhead, I wish I understood half
the stuff he's already forgotabout law enforcement.

(03:59:30):
He knows so much.
It's impressive, and I want tobe mom when I grew up.
I mean I can say that that's amindset man.
I mean the dude is he's awesomeman, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:59:42):
Yeah, he is.
He's bad-ass, I mean, and everytime we've had him on he's left
an impression on people, sodefinitely cool to have.
Um, so I've got no other videos.
That's what we've had loaded upfor the night.
We've literally we're right atfour hours now.
So this has been a greatfucking episode.

(04:00:05):
I appreciate everybody.
Hey, listen, if you are notfollowing and subscribing and
liking all of our stuff, pleasedo.
And if you already are, pleasesend of our stuff.
Please do, and if you alreadyare, please send it to somebody
else to do.
It's one of the ways that youcan help support us without
financially supporting us.

(04:00:26):
If you are a person that issubscribed to us financially
you're a member of our YouTubechannel.
You guys, specifically, you gotmy heartfelt thank you.
You have humbled and you arethe motivation to do what we do.
Why we do it?
Because it is very hard work toget every single day, looking

(04:00:52):
through content and trying tofind stuff to talk about and to
try to help make a difference.
That's what my goal is, that'swhat Banning's goal is, that's
what everybody that's on here istrying to do.
So anytime, and I share.
We have a group chat witheverybody on this thing and I
share every single good messagethat I get.

(04:01:13):
Hey, you guys helped me do this.
Hey, you guys are the reasonwhy I have faith in get.
Hey, you guys helped me do this.
Hey, you guys are the reasonwhy I have faith in cops.
Hey, you guys are the wise wedo and, like I share it with
these guys all the time.
I'm like guys, this is whywe're why we're doing what we're
doing, do I not?

Speaker 4 (04:01:25):
I want yes, you do, and I want you to create a
billfold or a conversation withMr Billfold on text Give that
dude my number all day long, man, Just frigging.
Do it.
I mean, we can start out withyou and I and I think you have a
way to communicate with him.
Let's do it, man.
He's a good dude.
He's a frigging Marine.
I understand that.
He understands a lot of whathe's went through and he's

(04:01:46):
probably seen a lot of the bad.
Let's show him some of the good.
Let's keep exposing some of thegood and let's start
highlighting the bad.
If we see the bad, I think youguys understand.
When we see the bad stuff onhere, we're going to call it out
, just like you would yeah, and,and, and, and.
We've been blessed with alittle platform here to where we
can call that out and you cansee all of our years of

(04:02:08):
experience out here to wherewe're going to hammer that so
yeah, we're, we're.

Speaker 1 (04:02:13):
We're trying to get to the point where banning and
all the other personalities thatlike to do this stuff make
content other than just me doingall the shorts and reels, but
where we give reactions on thegood and the bad.
You guys know how I do it.
I really honestly try to go onefor one.

(04:02:33):
That's my goal.
Sometimes I go you know two orthree, you know officers doing
good things, and then sometimesI go you know one, two, three of
officers doing bad things.
But most of the time, justdepending on how I find the
content, I try to do one for oneofficers doing good things,
highlighting that, and thenofficers doing bad things and
highlighting where what canlearn.

(04:02:55):
But the whole point every timeis education trying to figure
out how we can improve or whatto like, somebody giving the
example of what we should bedoing and why that is, what is
it about what they did?
That makes it good.
I recently highlighted a videoof a guy carrying around a dog

(04:03:16):
and the NYPD guy is saying, hey,come over here, let us see your
dog, and the dog's singing tothe sirens.
It was so simple.

Speaker 4 (04:03:24):
It was a good video.
That was a badass show.

Speaker 1 (04:03:27):
Right, it was so dumb , like simple dumb, it's so easy
to do.
That guy Ryan, says I got aphysical agility test tuesday,
excited for the opportunity tochase my dream.
Hey, good luck, brother.
Enjoy the ride and, um, if allelse fails, reach out to us if
you ever need advice, because weare going to steer you in the

(04:03:48):
right direction.
So, but that is what we try todo on here.
We don't shy away.
If you're here to troll, you'rejust going to get ignored,
that's all.

Speaker 4 (04:04:04):
I've seen some of the trollers that come on here and
what we would classify, oranybody would, as trollers, but
I've gotten some I'm not goingto call it results, but messages
on LinkedIn.
They're like dude, I came inwatching you as I've got a chip
on my shoulder for lawenforcement and they understand
that the three of us or the fiveof us or however many we have

(04:04:25):
on our panel at the time, theytruly see an exception In their
mind is an exception.
But I'm here to say that thatexception that they're seeing is
the majority of law enforcementout there.
Granted, you know, youtube andmainstream media, and not even
mainstream, just whatever'sthrown out there on YouTube, the
negative stuff that's going toget more views and I understand

(04:04:47):
that that pisses us off morethan nobody else because we
carry that oath.
Even if we retired, we stillcarry that oath.
So somebody that's going totarnish the badge you know you
guys think you're upset at that,we're more upset, we actually,
you probably lose sleep, we losemore sleep on that.
Somebody that's going totarnish that badge, man, I want

(04:05:10):
to go deal with them and I'm adecent-sized guy.
So if I go deal with somebody,they're going to be in the
non-existence of the earth.
After I'm done with that, Idon't want somebody to represent
us, meaning peace officersaround the United States or
around the world.
Don't do that.
We're out here to do good andgood only, and we just want the
best for everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:05:30):
Yeah, country Girl said nice to see your change
after video tonight.
Eric, country Girl said nice tosee your change after video
tonight, Eric, that's one of thethings I kind of want to, and
I'm not sure if this is what shemeant.
But the video that we didn'thave the whole picture.
We all had kind of one view onit.
I'm like all right, I kind ofget it.
But then when we saw the biggerpicture of the video they kept
pushing like no no, no, no yougot to see the whole video.

(04:05:53):
They were right.
I want you guys to see I'mnever married to an idea like
I'm never married to an ideology.
Give me new information.
I'm gonna give you a newperspective, or I'm gonna give
you the same perspective with anexplanation.
So, um, I think that's what isthe beauty of our channel and
with everybody that's on here is, none of us are married to an

(04:06:15):
idea.
None of us are an echo chamber.
Cops do great work.
Cops do shitty work.
It's our job to distinguishwhich ones are which and why,
and give explanations.
Some of you may get pissed offbecause we don't have the same
view as you.
I'm going to give you anexplanation why and I'm not
married to that either I'm justgoing to tell you what I'm

(04:06:36):
thinking at the you anexplanation why and I'm not
married to that either.
I'm just going to tell you whatI'm thinking at the time and if
you're able to change my mind,I'm like okay, cool, like I said
, y'all keep me based, y'allkeep me level.
I'm able to say, oh fuck, Ididn't think about it that way.
I've been a cop a long time, soI'm biased.
I know that I'm biased, sothat's why I'm listening and I'm
trying to keep an open mindevery time.

(04:07:00):
What do you got Manny.

Speaker 4 (04:07:01):
Somebody made a comment in there that said Eric,
I hope you're only married toyour wife.
And guess what?
Everybody, I'm allowed to staythe night at Eric's house.
It may be out in the barn.
It may be out on a differentpart of the property.

Speaker 1 (04:07:15):
But I'm allowed to of the property.
But I guess I am only marriedto my wife.
Thank you, very much A littlehumor.
Yes, yeah, I love it.
So Tim Owen said yeah, I agreethat I believe that wearing the
badge should be an honor.

Speaker 4 (04:07:30):
Agreed, Absolutely 100% Higher standard.
It comes with and we recognizethis.
It comes with and I hate evenusing the word power, because
we're stopping people's movement.
We're investigating, we'redoing stuff and we understand
that as a panel and weunderstand that all that power
comes responsibility, and ifyou're using that responsibility

(04:07:52):
to something to pursue yourpersonal goals, get the freak
out of law enforcement.
This is not.
We're here for the community.

Speaker 1 (04:08:01):
It's nothing more than that period.
Yeah, eye of the Night saidattitude and demeanor is key.
You don't need to make the mostof the bad ones out, the bad
ones to out themselves.
Their shift attitudes willcompel them to do that all on
their own.
And then Mr Billfold had a goodfollow up to say I think it's

(04:08:23):
safe to say that no one whocomes here with a chip is able
to hold a chip against you guys.
I'm happy to disagree if weargue in good faith, and I think
we do.
That's what this is about.

Speaker 4 (04:08:35):
We're all human, so so this whole panel, and not to
step on eric, because, eric, theonly reason I'm even here is
because of eric.
You know, he created two cops,one donut, uh, and and he's
asked me do you want to be apart?
Yes, I want to be a part ofthat, and that's a very funny
comment.
It's pretty common.
Sorry, um, but uh, but when youlet, if you let stuff go to
your head and you do thingsoutside the scope of what your

(04:08:57):
oath is, you're fucking wrongand you need to get out of this
period.
And excuse my French, but youknow, you guys have helped and
sent me some things that Iwasn't even aware of in
reference to videos, and ifthese are, you know, sworn cops
out there doing that, we wantthem off the street just as much
as any normal person would wantthem off the street, just as

(04:09:18):
much as any normal person wouldwant them off the street.

Speaker 11 (04:09:21):
Period.
Alan's young.
It's past my bedtime, old man.

Speaker 1 (04:09:26):
But no, I'm with you.
I'm with you.
Banning, mr Bill Fulton.
Power is the right word.
Banning.
That's why bad policing is morenoticed than the good policing,
and that's what reallyirritates me is because nobody
shares the good, and no matterhow stupid, simple it is, I'm

(04:09:46):
always going to try to sharethat part.
So these rookie cops who haveso much on their mind they have
a lot They've got to think aboutcivil rights laws, policies,
general orders.
They've got a ton of shit.
Do I have a right to stop andtalk to this person?
All this stuff going throughtheir heads.
I want them to see positivereinforcement, because when you

(04:10:11):
first start out, they make youthink, as a cop, that it's the
worst case scenario every time.
So then they need to see thegood stuff.

Speaker 11 (04:10:19):
I'm not touching it.
It wasn't you.
It was like it wouldn't stop.

Speaker 1 (04:10:24):
I'm like my hands are here.
You said hands up, hands up,hands up.
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (04:10:33):
I'm going to rub it again buddy.
Keep rubbing it in.
Look at that welcome to.
Vegas.
So this was a opening gift whenI went into SHOT SHOT show and
SHOT show is nothing but thehunting community, law
enforcement community, outdoorscommunity.
They're showing the newproducts.
It's amazing.

(04:10:54):
They're estimating between 50and 75 thousand000 people that
are attending this event thisweek.
That's why I'm here, becauseit's a lot of stuff that's
really good for for the businessthat.
I'm in but they gave this cupto me, so I'm showing it to
everybody only because my wifeis probably going to steal it
when I get home.

Speaker 9 (04:11:11):
It's going to become her her iced tea cup, so I've
been drinking water through itall night.

Speaker 4 (04:11:18):
I'll make sure I get it through.
When I get home Water that'scarbonated with other flavors.

Speaker 1 (04:11:25):
Your face was Alan's paleness.
Now it's pink, so I don't thinkthere was water in there,
mister.
No, no, I'm not the world'sgreatest detective, but I was a
good detective at one time eventhe fbi can figure that one out.

Speaker 4 (04:11:43):
I happily put 18 to 22 waters through this tonight
straight teeter wash after that.
No, no, no, I'm not, I don't, Idon't drink.
You know, tito's makes me likeI don't't do that anymore.
Towns, coors, light.

Speaker 1 (04:11:55):
No, no, no, Just Coors.

Speaker 4 (04:11:57):
Light, now man Just a little cold beer.

Speaker 1 (04:12:01):
I love it.
Once a week is usually what.

Speaker 4 (04:12:03):
I do.

Speaker 1 (04:12:04):
Eye of the Night said it takes special folks to fight
that corrupting force and dothat job for years upon years
and still come out the otherside with their integrity still
intact, agreed.
Come out the other side withtheir integrity still intact,
agreed.
I think the hardest part, andwhat makes us unique, at least
with everybody on this panel, isthe optimism and the not

(04:12:24):
becoming cynical.
So and pink waving, um, uh,that that's.
That's my closing statement fortonight.
Guys, please, despite all theshitty stuff you guys see, just
understand 350 million calls forservice, 750,000 cops the

(04:12:44):
majority, I would say less than1%, are the shitty stuff we see
out there.
You really are, it really is.
Now, I'm not saying to trusteverything I say.
I want you to be skeptical, Iwant you to hold me accountable,
but that's been my impression.
That's the honest truth.
That's why I keep doing it.
It's how I stay positive,because all the positive shit I

(04:13:06):
see.

Speaker 11 (04:13:08):
Because we're here, you and I, as a badge.

Speaker 1 (04:13:10):
Yeah, good cops hate bad cops, because y'all make it
fucking harder for us.

Speaker 4 (04:13:17):
Yeah, uh, good cops hate bad cops, because y'all
make it harder for us.
So that's the only reason we'rehere just those who are
listening is because of y'all.
You know, if y'all weren't herewe don't have a crowd to speak
to, we don't have a crowd to get, uh, intertwined in what we're
doing and give us your opinion,your opinion is the only reason
we're here, and if you were donewrong or bring it up, talk
about it, put it in the comments.
Provide the video.
We're here and if you were donewrong, bring it up, talk about

(04:13:37):
it, put it in the comments.

Speaker 1 (04:13:38):
Provide the video we're going to talk about it.
Send private messages.
A lot of you have done that.

Speaker 4 (04:13:42):
Our opinion may be shit in the grand scheme, but
we're going to tell you what wethink about it.
We're human, just like you are.
We're no better, we're no worse.

Speaker 1 (04:13:52):
It hasn't been a major blowout yet, but there's
going to be a time that's goingto happen and I just want you
all to be ready for it where I'mgoing to have a view and you're
going to be like the completeopposite and that's going to
test the way that we communicate.
I promise it's going to happenbecause I'm going to have a take
on it and it is what it is Now.

(04:14:13):
I'm going to listen to you,allall.
I just hope you have theforgiveness to be like all right
, levine.
You've.
I've agreed with a lot of shityou said, but you're a fucking
idiot on this one.
Okay, cool, as long as we canget that, it'll happen, I
promise.
So appreciate you guys.

Speaker 4 (04:14:30):
I got nothing else banning any closing no, thank
you all for taking your timeaway from your families, away
from your roommates, whateveryour situation is, to tune in
this late.
Especially, somebody made acomment, I think it was Mr
Belfold that said those of youon the East Coast.
Thank you for being here, dude,it's late over there.
Yes, thank you very much.

(04:14:50):
I'm in Vegas, I don't have muchjet lag and, and I'm probably
going to be up for a couple morehours, I may or may not be in a
casino, uh, but just havingsome fun man, just living the
life in the in Vegas, and I andI love to be a small, very small
part of the show.

Speaker 1 (04:15:07):
Hell yeah, brother.

Speaker 11 (04:15:08):
Alan.
Any closing thoughts?
Sir, Thank you guys for beinghere every week and we'll be
again.
We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 1 (04:15:15):
Hell yeah, brother, all right guys appreciate y'all.
Take it easy.
Have a good night.
Thanks for tuning in.

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