Sean Paul Reyes “Long Island Audit” shows what accountability in policing really looks like

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I am your host, eric Levine,and with me my co-hosts,
detective Matt Thornton andBanning Sweatland.
How's it going, guys?
Good, good, good, Good good.
And then our special guest today, Sean Paul Reyes, otherwise
known as Long Island Audit.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hey, how are you?
Thanks for having me and thanksfor everybody on my channel for
coming too.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, I was going to say I want to put out there,
just so everybody knows.
If you are watching this onSean's page, you're actually
watching Two Cops, one Donut,and this is our show and Sean
was nice enough to link to thechannel so we can share our
audience and everybody can canchop, uh chop it up together in
the in the chat, um, and just so.
You guys know, one of thethings that we love about this

(01:36):
show is the chat in itself.
So please ask questions, do allthat stuff, um, but I do want
to put out some disclaimers.
Uh, I am still a current cop, aswell as Matt, so there are
certain things that we justdon't want to get fired for, and
this podcast does definitelynot make us independently
wealthy.
So we got, we got to do what wegot to do.
There's certain things we'rejust not going to be able to dig

(01:56):
into.
We will tell you when we can'tand why.
But, yeah, we want to try to beas open and transparent and
have fun and answer questionsand talk about, basically, sean
tonight, our show.
I want our audience to kind ofunderstand Sean and everything.
But before we do that, I'mgoing to try to pop the chat up

(02:19):
and just see who's in the house.
I know we got a lot of peoplefrom ours in the background
today also supporting the show,as, uh, alan and dead leg from
two cops, one donut.
They are in the backgroundtrying to mitigate all of the
chat and I told Sean that chatwas going to go crazy, more than
we're used to and can probablykeep up with because already
there's like 1100 peoplechatting away, sean.

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So it's going to be difficult.
But let's get to our guest.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sean can you tell us who you are, what you do and
what it is that has made you sopopular?
Oh, wow, so my name is SeanPaul Reyes.
I run the channel Long IslandAudit.
I've been doing for four yearsnow, basically conducting First
Amendment audits.
I cover matters of publicinterest when it comes to law
enforcement.
I do trainings with lawenforcement agencies, district

(03:13):
attorneys, offices.
As far as what has made me grow,the way I've grown and
throughout all my platforms, Ithink we have a little bit over
2 million subscribers, slashfollowers and about 50 million
views every single month acrossall platforms maybe a little bit
more than that.
I would just say I how I gotstarted is I used to watch first
amendment auditing and Ithought it could be done in a

(03:33):
different way not necessarilybetter, but a different way.
Um, I wanted to peacefullyexercise my rights, use it, use
it as an educational tool forlaw enforcement.
I'm not anti-law enforcement inany way, or else I wouldn't be
on this channel right now.
I wouldn't be visiting anddoing ride-alongs with police
departments.
That's not what it's about.
I'm for law and order.

(03:53):
I'm just about transparency andaccountability in our
government, specifically lawenforcement, and I think my
approach is why I've grown somuch.
It's all thanks to mysupporters, my viewers,
subscribers.
They have supported me theselast four years and I've gotten
a bunch of opportunities becauseof it, and I'm just happy to,

(04:14):
and very proud and humbled to bewhere I am today.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, and your style is honestly one of the things
that we've highlighted severaltimes on our show.
Matt has made it a pointseveral times to bring you up,
talk about the way you handlethings and stuff like that as
well, and then obviously we usethe connection through Matt to
do that.
So, matt, now you were probablyone of the first supporters of

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Sean and what he does Can youkind of explain from your law
enforcement point of view whatit is you like about his
auditing style?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I remember watching just the basic education that he
follows up with I mean, mostauditors if you act correctly
and honor your oath, thereshouldn't be any issue
whatsoever.
But I seen sean like talk topeople after the fact and even
not even trying to jam them up,to embarrass them, just really

(05:09):
just to explain and educate washis like main goal, and I was
like okay, that's different.
He's not just trying to putpeople on blast every time he
goes out and I I think there'ssome very, very authentic
conversations that he has withthese officers.
That's like wow, this is like aprofessor teaching people that
should already know what heknows.
It's embarrassing for us thathe's got to explain this stuff,

(05:33):
but it was so groundbreaking andrespectful I was like man, this
guy's different, yeah, andthat's when.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I just I got addicted .
Yeah, absolutely.
And for me, one of the thingsthat I got so tired of seeing
through Sean's pages, I'm likeJesus, like this is a bigger
problem than I anticipated.
Look at all the cops that keepcalling for this and it's not
like Sean's out there waitingand trapped, like they're just
willing participants and they'recoming up and they're you know,

(06:01):
start going into that tirade ofyou know what are you doing
over here?
Let me see some ID.
And Sean's like whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa.
I'm just filming, like what'sthe deal.
And then we start getting intothe first amendment stuff.
So, sean, out of yourstrategies, what has what have
you found works to get across tocops and what doesn't?
Because what I tend to see withofficers is the last thing that

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they want with their egos isgoing to be some civilian trying
to explain the law to them,because they get paid to enforce
the law.
What do you know?
Are you a lawyer?
So you can take severaldifferent approaches.
Like I know the law better thanyou, buddy or whatever worked
for you the best.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah See, I always try and diminish my own
knowledge.
I am very fascinated by the law.
I'm a student of the best.
Yeah See, I always try anddiminish my own knowledge.
I am very fascinated by the law, I'm a student of the law.
I have a bunch of attorneys whoare friends of mine.
You know doing what I do.
I need to surround myself withattorneys and I have Jacob
Uriel's, one of them, criminaldefense attorney in Brooklyn,
new York, and he actually is aformer prosecutor.

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He has a wealth of knowledge.
I've learned so much from him.
He's kind of taken me under hiswing.
Basically, I try and utilizewhat law enforcement officers
should realize de-escalation.
I try and treat them like ahuman, not just somebody with a
badge.
Like you know, I do ask themfor their name and badge number
just because I think it's inevery, for every encounter.
I think it's important forpublic servants to identify

(07:24):
themselves for members of thepublic.
I don't know what's going tohappen next.
I want to know who this personis, so if it does something
happen, I can hold themaccountable.
It's just like my first littletest to say, hey, are you going
to be professional or are yougoing to just be like my name's
right here and, you know, giveme attitude right off of the rip
, because read it, I don't right, just read.
Uh, some people can't read,right?
Um, you know it's, it's aboutbeing professional.

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I try and de-escalate thesituation.
I try and keep my cool and andspeak in an even tone.
Don't raise my voice, don't useany profanities, don't try and
criticize the officer off therip.
I will criticize an officer ifhe's doing things that you know
I believe violate theconstitution, I believe violate
my, my rights.
Uh, I will criticize them forthat and I will bring it up.

(08:09):
I have no qualms about doingthat.
But I try off just to start offwith hey, let's do this.
Let's start off.
Hey, my name is sean.
Um, as long as they identifiedthemselves to me, I say my name
is sean.
Well, what's your, what's yourlast name, what's your address?
That's too much me.
Let's just move on with theconversation.
That doesn't need.
It's not going to help you inany way.
I just want to keep theconversation as fluid as

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possible, explain exactly whatI'm doing.
I'm an independent journalist,I'm working on a story and for
those of you who always askwhat's the story, you've never
published a story.
I mean, they're all stories.
They're all stories on how lawenforcement and public servants
react to a man peacefullyexercising his first amendment
right?
That is the story.
Just so for people who areconfused and don't understand,

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that is the story.
It's not another story that I'mworking on sometimes it is.
Sometimes it's a story thatsomebody has given me a tip for
and then I go work on that storyand I follow up on it, but most
of of the time it's just meexercising my rights peacefully,
and how do they react to that?
And it's not just if theyviolate my rights or not, it's
how professional.
I always say you know, treat uswith respect.
That's one of the gauges,because I believe that law

(09:15):
enforcement law enforcement,excuse me should have high
standards, not low standards.
And if, if, expecting lawenforcement to have high
standards is anti-lawenforcement, I don't know what
to tell you at that point.
If any law enforcement outthere can say high standards is
a problem, accountability is aproblem, transparency is a
problem, respecting members ofthe public is a problem, then

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you're part of the problem,quite frankly.
So I just try and keep my cool.
There's really no strategies toit.
I just try and be the man thatmy mother raised me to be uh, go
out there and lead by exampleand act in a way that I feel
proud of.
That.
I can watch the video back andnot cringe.
You know, I, when I firststarted off, I've had some
videos where I was like, youknow, maybe I could have said

(10:00):
that better, maybe I shouldn'thave said this.
I'm looking back on it now.
Or even my family members,they'll tell me you know, I
don't really like the way youacted that way.
And then, you know, some of myaudience would be like you're
too humble, you are too meek.
You got to tell them you got to, you got to really get at them.
And that's not the way Ioperate, you know, because a

(10:21):
judge is going high when thatvideo is being played and say I
didn't do anything wrong.
I didn't.
Not only did I did do nothingillegal.
I was completely professionalthroughout.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of you know in it OK,
well, it's kind of cheesy tosay it this way, but
historically it's still accuratethe movie with Mel Gibson, the
Patriot.
You remember the line when thatgeneral was chastising the
other British commander and hesaid you know it's, he goes.

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It's not winning the war, it'sthe manner in which you win it,
and I think that speaks a lot tothe way that you conduct
yourself while you're out there.
And one of the things that Ilike and that we try to
highlight with your videos, um,is you never, you never open the
door.
They do.
You never open the door, theydo.
The cops that mess up with you.
They seem to open that door.
You asking somebody for theirname and badge number if that
triggers an egotistical response, you've already got them

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Emotionally.
They're hijacked right away.
They're no longer thinkinglogistically reasonably like
they should, and Matt goes intothat a lot.
Matt, what is some of thethings that you notice a lot in
these types of videos where copsare screwing up?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
The ego.
It's so easy, it's so simplethat Sean is like the ego mirror
he can tell in 10 seconds.
Okay, this dude, in my opinion,if you've got an ego that can
be rubbed wrong by Sean, thenyou shouldn't even have a badge,
in my opinion.
Yeah, it's, it's, that's reallyit to me.
Ego and no one knowing the law,knowing your job.

(11:49):
Yeah, it's he.
He sets the officers right inthe correct manner and shows
them that they should belearning from him.
Yeah, and it's, and it reallyit angers me when I think about
it, because they've come afterhim in some videos, like, uh,
like one of the five mafiafamilies Just sending people
after him.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
That video of him at the jail.
When they just stopped him itlooked like a movie.
I mean literally it didn't lookreal.
He's like I need backup.
And then all of a sudden, like80 cops or jailers or whatever
the hell they were, come out why?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Because a dude's in an open area filming I I don't,
I don't get that, I never haveand I tell and I tell the
officers all the time listen,I'm not a threat to you, I'm not
a threat for your safety oranything.
You know because they're likeyou know, I don't know who you
are.
Well, no one knows who anybodyis.
Hi, my name is sean nice.
To meet you, like you know,this is if you're scared of
strangers, you probablyshouldn't be in law enforcement.
Like you, you meet new peopleevery day on the job and and

(12:46):
matt's right, it's ego and I sawmatt's video.
When he made that video thatwent viral about first amendment
auditors.
Um, I thought it was so cooland so brave of him to do
because you know, a lot of lawenforcement officers are scared
to come out and they I have abunch of law enforcement
officers who email me behind thescenes and they're they're
terrified of speaking outagainst what they say.
You know what I call the thinblue line, you know, in fear of

(13:10):
retaliation and you know, eric,we've talked about this offline
where you know, I've dealt withpublic servants who have been
retaliated for supporting meparamedics, law enforcement
officers and they're terrifiedof coming out and saying that
they support me, they support,and it's really like you're
scared of saying you support theconstitution and support, you

(13:32):
know, accountability and lawenforcement and you're scared
that there's something bad isgoing to happen to you or
they're going to retaliate.
That's a problem, that's aculture problem within law
enforcement and that's somethingthat needs to change.
As far as the ego, you know Itry not to have an ego.
No one's perfect here in thisworld but I try my best not to
have an ego.
I don't let you know havingalmost a million subscribers on
YouTube, or two million total.
To try and get to my head.
I'm just Sean Paul Reyes.

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I'm just trying to do my jobevery single day be a good
father, be a good husband, be agood person, but you can learn
from anybody.
I love to learn.
I'll learn from the a beat copon the street if he has some
valuable knowledge for me.
Like I'm not an attorney, I'mnot anybody special, I don't
have any special education.
I've taken the time out of mylife to learn and to educate

(14:14):
myself on certain topics, butI'm not smarter than anybody
else and I'm always willing tolearn and I think if law
enforcement had that, thatmentality where?
Listen, I know this is justsome random guy on the street
and he's telling me about thefirst amendment and the New York
state right to monitor act, andI have no idea what he's
talking about.
They're like who's this guy?
I've been doing this job for 15years.
You know, I know what I'm doing.

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Sometimes you don't, andsometimes you can learn a thing
or two and we can part friends.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah.
So I want to open it up to letsome people's questions come
through Now.
I apologize, because the chatsare going faster than we can
keep up with.
They're flying through, so I'mtrying to keep up the best I can
.
I managed to pull this one outof Mr Billfold, so this one goes
to you.
Sean, my guy.
Yeah, he's one of our, he's oneof our main guys.
He said are you going to fileagainst those troopers in Elmira

(15:01):
?
What made you decide not totake the ride that day?
So can you give us a backstoryon?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
that, if you know what he's sure.
So Elmira video just came out.
Elmira correctional facility Um, it's a facility that I was
already interested in, justhistorically, it used to hold
Confederate soldiers there.
So I went there to check it outand, um, one of the state
troopers the New York statetroopers that arrived, one we
had a great conversation with.
I had a great conversation withone of them.
He's like I get what you'redoing, I get your mission, I

(15:28):
appreciate it.
And then the other cop comesand he's like you're going to
leave now or you're going to goto jail.
So, under threat of arrest, Ileft the facility in New York.
So the First Amendment and again, this is not legal advice to
anybody, this to anybody, thisis just my understanding of the
law but the first amendment youhave reasonable time placing
mana restrictions, differentforums, uh, traditional, limited
uh and public forums.

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But the new york state, newyork state has a, a law that's
been codified, that is the newyork state right to monitor act,
and it says you have the rightto record law enforcement,
correctional officers, securityofficers, any sort of officer in
the course of their duty frompublic property and any sort of
officer in the course of theirduty from public property and
there's no wiggle room in it.
So correctional officersoperate on correctional facility
property and they they enforcetheir policy over the law.

(16:13):
I try to explain to them.
This is a new york state law.
Read it, uh, and it will tellyou exactly what is allowed or
not.
Basically codifies the firstamendment right for for the new
york state, um, and there'scivil liabilities against the
officers who violate this.
The only way you can arrestsomebody when you're filming is
to is if they're obstructing anoga, which in new york I know a

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lot of states.
It's obstruction could beanything, but in new york it's
physical obstruction is writteninto the statue.
So I went there.
I was told to leave or I'll bearrested immediately, so I left.
So I've had situations whereI've left under threat of arrest
and I've had situations whereI've taken the ride.
It all depends on what I'mtrying to accomplish.

(16:55):
If it was at a city hall, maybeI'm trying to bring more
awareness to it, because I'mgoing to go all out and take it
to trial and I want to get thatexposure.
I want to take it to a jury ofmy peers or or courtroom and go
all the way.
Um, sometimes, you know, justdepends on my life circumstances
.
I just don't take the ride andI tell every single activist,

(17:16):
first Amendment ordered, orwhatever you want to call them.
You know you don't have to takethe ride, you don't.
Yeah, I, I suggest you don't.
Um doesn't make you any less ofa man.
Why would you want to behandcuffed and put in a jail
cell?
It's so humiliating, it's sodemeaning and it's horrible.
It's a horrible experience.
I've been arrested 11 times inthe last four years, beaten all

(17:36):
the criminal charges against me,but the thing is, is that every
single criminal charge?
Right, they did drop in in some.
In some instances they droppedto like a violation, which is
like a parking ticket, and I wasfound guilty of the violation,
but it's not a crime.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So I I go with all criminal charges so hold up
before we go any farther,because we do have a lot of cops
that watch what we do, right,and I want them to take that and
listen to what the fuck youjust said.
Sean paul reyes, long islandaudit.
If you've got a problem withsome of the stuff he does, think
about that.
For a second, this dude has nothad criminal charges filed on

(18:12):
him one time in the four plusyears you've been doing this
right.
Not a single fucking time.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
That that's a huge statement in itself goes to you
and that's what I tell peopleand that's, and you know, I was
filming at another correctionalfacility and I told her.
You know, I told thecorrectional officer.
I said you know, unfortunatelyI've been arrested 11 times.
We had a conversation and andshe had said, that says a lot
about you.
And I told her does it say alot about me or does it say a
lot about the law enforcementofficers across this country?

(18:40):
You know the ones I've dealtwith in particular, that it
doesn country the ones I'vedealt with in particular.
It doesn't say anything aboutme.
Anybody could be arrested, butif you're convicted, that's a
different story and I wasn'tconvicted, so at the end of the
day, you don't have to take theride.
I didn't take the ride and, toanswer the question, I will be
filing a lawsuit in state court.

(19:00):
Normally I file federallawsuits.
I have one against New YorkCity right now again for our New
York City Right to Record Actfor filming in the precincts.
A lot of these departments liketo enforce their policies and
they don't follow the law.
They don't understand thedifference Because when it comes
to trespassing, they're likewell, they're the property owner
, right, they're the manager ofthe property, they could tell
you to leave whenever they wantfor any reason, but when there's

(19:22):
laws in the Constitution behindit and specifically in New York
there's case law People vLeonard that says you cannot
utilize the trespass laws inorder to violate a
constitutionally or statutoryprotected activity.
So this has already been playedout in courts before and they
don't understand this, evenDistrict Attorney's Office.
You know, when I spoke with theDistrict Attorney's Office in
Chatham County in Savannah,georgia, I told them, like a lot

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of them don't understand,because there's so many
different nuances to the lawthat it's impossible for
everybody to know everything.
Uh, but the the thing is isthat once you realize what
you're doing is wrong, you needto stop and you need to dismiss
the charges and do the rightthing and save face.
But they don't do it.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, um, I don't normally do this, but I'm going
to.
This guy wrote a novel and Iwant to make sure he gets heard
with what he was trying to say.
It's really big, so I'm goingto read it.
Many people are taught thatobeying authority is always the
right thing to do, but historyshows that true morality often
means standing up to unjust lawsand those who enforce them.
Some of the worst crimes inhistory slavery, genocide and

(20:24):
oppression were carried outlegally by people who believed
they were just doing their jobs.
Real changes come from thosewho resisted, not from those who
followed orders.
When people stop blindlyobeying authority and start
thinking for themselves, thepower of tyrants disappears.
Their strength depends on thesupport and obedience of regular
people.
Belief in authority is whatallows injustice to grow.
It's not evil individuals alone, but the millions who follow

(20:50):
orders without question thatmake large scale harm possible.
If people stopped supportingunjust systems, those systems
would collapse.
Justice requires personalresponsibility, not blind
obedience.
That's beautiful.
I mean really Absolutelyamazing.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Thank you that was great Harrison Brock really.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Absolutely amazing, thank you.
Thank you, that was great.
Harrison Brock threw out 20memberships, so hopefully some
people in the chat got a hold ofthose.
Thank you, harrison.
Appreciate that we had some ofyour people, sean, throw a
couple bucks our way for doingwhat we're doing, so we
appreciate the support guys Bigtime.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Sean, I got a question.
Yeah.
Have you ever, have you ever,like, done some math, sat down
and done some math and figuredout how many millions of dollars
have gone of of of salary, havegone into an hours?
Man, our time have gone intoall of this stuff that you've
been through.
I can't imagine that figurewould be.
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
God.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean, that's actually yeah, right, that's a.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's a good point, um, and I talk about it a lot,
but I've never really lookedinto the actual billable hours
by these attorneys, by, you know, defending a lawsuit.
I could only imagine how muchmoney and I people say, you know
, oh, he's just looking for alawsuit to get paid like.
Let's be clear, I've theselawsuits.
They're the new, the biggestone I have going.

(22:03):
I'm not even suing for money,I'm just suing for the policy
change.
I could have sued for money butI didn't think it was the
proper venue for money.
I have no problem suinggovernment agencies for money,
let me be clear.
But it's not an avenue for meto get rich.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That is not Do you sue them for $1,776?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, that's Jeff Gray.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I know I love that.
That's great.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
That dollars, no, that's jeff gray, I know I love
that.
That's, that's great.
That's great.
I learned that amount to bedetermined at a jury trial, but
it's.
You know, I've settled a fewlawsuits 10 000, 12 500 and I've
given, uh, most, if not allthat money back to a charity.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So, and I'm proud of that my mom supported my show
with 20 bucks.
Thanks, mom yeah mom, that's mom, that's so great, um, okay, so
I'm glad you brought up trespass, because it's one of the things
that we harp on a lot.
Cops screw up trespass so often, so I was hoping to kind of
throw some knowledge towardsyour people, um, to kind of

(22:59):
understand why I think theyscrew that up so much.
And one of the big things isthere's criminal trespass
warnings.
That's not against the law, Imean, that's not a crime, that's
a civil issue between abusiness or a resident and the
person that they don't want ontheir property.
Okay, you tracking, youfollowing me, so, and then you

(23:22):
have criminal trespass.
And that's when you've beentold or warned and then you
continue to stay past thatwarning.
That's when it becomes criminal.
And you will see these cops sooften where they're trying to
give a warning.
Again, the warning is civil andcops think, because they have
to fill out some damn form fromtheir own department, which is a
policy thing that they now havea right to your ID and they

(23:46):
don't Listen.
Officers, if you're listeningto me, somebody in the chat said
don't swear, you're on thewrong fucking channel.
We swear.
Matt doesn't swear, I swearBanning.
When he gets really mad at someof these videos.
Then he'll curse I wear donutshirts and try to be ironic, so
I swear all the time, but anyway.
So that is where cops getthemselves in trouble all the
time.

(24:06):
And there is a huge ignorantblind spot that cops have where
they think, because they'refilling out a form for their
department, that they nowsuddenly have a right to your ID
.
And that's one of the thingsthat we're trying to get across.
If they're not going to listento you, sean, who's never been
charged and convicted of anycriminal charges, then they need
to listen to me, matt banning,all these guys that are on here

(24:26):
that are cops.
It's the only way we can getacross to them.
Oh, did I get it?
This damn fly has been in myface.
So we're trying to attack onboth fronts and this is where
I'm getting to with bridging thegap.
You're trying to educate fromyour side in the way that you do
it, and I think it's beautiful.
I think it's beautiful.
So let us come out and try todo our best, the way that Matt
does, the way that Banning does,the way I do it, where we're
trying to show listen, fuckos.

(24:48):
If you're not going to listento this guy who's proven his
record.
Well, listen to us, we do thesame job as you.
You're wrong and they willfight me on that.
Saying no, if we get called outthere, we're a stop and ID
state.
You still need to have thatarticulable suspicion of a crime
if you're going to ID somebodyIn the state of Texas.
They got to be under arrest.
Right.

(25:09):
So it's either under arrest or alawful traffic stop.
That's the only time I can do amandatory ID, and even then you
still have the right to tell meto pound rocks.
You're just going to getcharged for it and cops will
lose their ever-loving mindbecause they're doing a criminal
trespass warning again civiland you're not giving up the ID.
So we're trying to get thatthrough to cops.
So I'm hoping we can soundbitethis so it can take a few— it's

(25:32):
such a simple concept too, it'sso easy and it's just I don't
know where it gets lost intranslation how they're not
getting this.
There's obviously a huge gap intraining from one department to
the next.
Benny, you sound like you gotsomething, buddy.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Man, I just want to thank Sean for the content that
he puts out there, because I'vebeen out of the game for a year
and even being an FTO, which isfield training officer training
these guys, we would actuallysit down, log into a department
computer, pull up Long IslandAudit and I want to see the look
on somebody out of theacademy's face put into the
situation and I want to heartheir answers.

(26:09):
I'd pause, get and this wouldgo into what's called a DOR and
that's an official dailyobservation report from an FTO
to recruit and I was able toteach a lot just based on your
content that you put out there.
Man, I hope there's just asmany cops across the country
that are looking at this thatmay have not received and I
wouldn't know why they haven'treceived any training yet.

(26:30):
But, frigging man, your, your,your page is awesome and I
appreciate what you do.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I want to.
I want to highlight thiscomment X they don't recall.
Do not get us started on thatidiot.
We call him Joffrey on the showto reference Game of Thrones,
because it is the opinion ofeverybody on Two Cops, one Donut
that not only was he ignorantof the law and how all that

(26:56):
stuff goes, I think and this isagain I'm speculating, because I
don't know what he trulythought and I don't want to get
sued he was lying Clear as day.
He'd been coached.
You saw that, didn't you Matt?
Yeah, it was disgusting.
Yeah, that guy has no businessin law enforcement.
And if he did lie, if he waslying during that, that dude

(27:18):
needs to be in jail.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons he needs to be in
jail.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, right, yeah, a lot of right, a lot of reasons
he needs to be in jail.
Yeah, now I will give the copout if that whole department's
just so terribly trained andthat, and that is.
They all think that way.
They all thought what he wassaying was right and they didn't
know that.
I mean, this is a big what if?
But if it was poorly trained,okay, fire him, don't let any of
them be cops again.
But does that make themcriminally liable?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I mean I want to push back.
That was clearly not justignorant, under-trained, that
was malicious.
That man is a malicious humanbeing officer that he has no
business, in my opinion, being alaw enforcement officer.
I think objectively he has nobusiness being a law enforcement
officer.
That was one of the worstdepositions.

(28:06):
I have a bunch of depositionsthat I can't show because,
unfortunately, uh, federaljudges think that they per, they
put me under like a gag order,a protective order from sharing
them on my channel.
Uh, because they want toprotect the law enforcement
officers from embarrassment andannoyance.
They say these words just sowe're clear uh, embarrassment or
annoyance?
They say these words just sowe're clear embarrassment or

(28:27):
annoyance, which boggles my mind.
Hopefully, when the lawsuitsare finished, I'll be able to
show them One of them's alreadyfinished and they won't let me
show it still.
So I have to appeal.
It cost money, it's just awhole big ordeal.
But that guy, joffrey, sergeantJoffrey, he's a supervisor.
That was definitely maliciousand I will say I'm a very
peaceful individual, but I'venever wanted to punch somebody

(28:49):
in their face.
Thank you, more than I'vewanted to punch sergeant joffrey
on during his deposition likeit didn't even seem real no, it
seems.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, okay, just to give you guys reference.
A lot of you guys don't know.
Banning was a city cop for alittle while but he was also a
deputy in a rural area.
So the dude's used to having towrestle cattle out of the road
and all that stuff in Texas andbe by himself for long periods
of time not having backup andall that stuff.
But to see a person that couldnever afford to be a

(29:22):
hot-tempered guy in the fieldbecause he's alone and he
doesn't have backup right aroundthe corner or any of that Like
to see him get mad, like peoplein the chat were, like Banning's
face is getting red, he wasfuming.
And to see Banning get pissedoff at that dude, that speaks
volumes to how punchable he is,very punchable.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Right, I did a reaction on my channel with a
former prosecutor who's, youknow, on the up and up about
everything and he was likepunchable.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, see, yeah, absolutely.
Oh, my God, that that got me soworked up, okay, so I want to
keep having these chats.
Let's keep talking and doingall that stuff.
Somebody's also brought up ego.
I want to, sean, and this issomething maybe you can bring
attention to now.
Offline we can talk specifics,but at my department, where I'm

(30:12):
at and you guys, I won't saywhere I'm at simply because I
got to.
I don't want to get fired again, like, if you guys figure it
out, it's not that hard tofigure out where I'm at.
I've been audited before aswell, um, so you can find the
audits of me.
But anyway, the point that I'mgetting to, we actually now, in
the last two years, because ofvideos that we keep seeing of
cops getting in trouble andscrewing up, it's usually the
ego that starts it.
We have an ego class that we'reteaching our recruits and we're

(30:37):
breaking it down, not justcommon sense, we're breaking it
down scientifically, like whenyou're thinking logically.
I think the way that it goes isyou're thinking with your
frontal core, your frontal lobe,but when you start to think
with ego and you let youremotions take over and they get
hijacked, now you're thinkingwith a different part of your
brain.
You're literally thinking witha different part of your brain.

(30:58):
So we're trying to teach ourofficers, when that happens, how
to recognize the signs andsymptoms and know when to tap
out or know when to fix it.
If you can't, some people justget so emotionally hijacked.
They can't, they can't recoverfast.
So it's good to tap out.
If, if Matt and I were on a calland you know, I just seen a
baby that got abused I may get alittle pissed off and I'd be

(31:21):
like Matt, I can't, like you gotto talk to him, like I can't
talk to him on this one.
I'm, I'm, I'm not there yet andMatt's going to step in.
All right, I got it, partner,but you got to know that about
yourselves.
Or Matt's got to see it and say, eric, no, step back.
You look like you're gettingred.
I don't, I don't want you to doin that.
Matt, do you agree?

Speaker 4 (31:39):
And it's infectious.
I mean I'm chilling, laid backand I'm a professional and I'm
going to demand it from everycop that comes on any scene that
I'm at.
Yeah, I mean it's it and itcomes from leadership.
But it just comes from fromdoing it, just being a leader by

(32:00):
showing them, not just tellingthem.
So yeah, it works like that andI do that with my partners.
I mean it's happened, butusually I just hold my partners.
No, they better act right by me.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So yeah, yep, absolutely.
What do you think about that,sean?
Is that a good idea?
Is that something you think law?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
enforcement officer.
I've never been on a call.
I've never, you know, had todeal with any of the you know
nuanced behaviors that happened.
You know the horrific thingsthat happen.
Um, you know, I can onlyimagine that there are instances

(32:35):
where there are prettytraumatic things that a cop has
to see or be involved.
When involved with that anormal everyday person doesn't
Car accidents, sexual abuse,cases against minors, things of
this nature, domestic violenceand it's got to take a toll on
your psyche, on your mentalhealth.

(32:57):
And I think we talked about thisoffline, eric, is that it's on
the command staff to recognizethis and the culture of the
police department to accept that.
Hey, listen, I'm not good onthis call, like I need to go
home early.
I need to do this because my myhead's all messed up from this
last call and not being.
You know, I can only imagine ifthat happened.
Maybe you know the departmentwould say like, oh, you know,

(33:21):
matt had to go home early.
Did you hear Matt had to gohome early?
What a softie, or whatever.
It's about the culture, thecommand staff, and I think it's
good for people to take a breakfrom continuing to, because the
ultimate job is you guys are toenforce the law and to respect
people's constitutional rights.
And a law that just to swing,just to put this out there, a

(33:41):
law that I see that's notenforced at all, basically ever
only in really high profilecases there's a federal law for
violating somebody's rightsunder color of law, like that is
a criminal charge that can belevied on a law enforcement
officer every single time, likeagainst Joffrey on.
Why isn't he being chargedfederally for violating Jeff
Gray's constitutional rights?
For violating Jeff Gray'sconstitutional rights?

(34:03):
So there's got to be theaccountability aspect.
But you've got to take personalaccountability of your own
mental health and what's goingon with you.
Because again, I try and I'mnot an expert in everything, I'm
definitely not an expert in lawenforcement as far as the job.
But I would say, just be ahuman, recognize your faults,
recognize your limitations andgo from there.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yep, yep, leroy, he sent out five bucks to us, man,
we appreciate that.
Everybody that's beensupporting the show tonight,
thank you.
It just rolls back into theshow.
It doesn't go in anybody'spocket.
We just use it to support whatwe're doing.
Uh, we are not at um at Sean'slevel, so we're lucky we get 50
bucks a month, you so, but no,we appreciate it.

(34:46):
Uh, but I will read the chat.
Uh, leroy said uh, egoviolation the police do is what
causes 99 agreed of thesepeaceful interactions that go
bad.
Not anybody of breaking the law.
Um, I, I think that's got a lotof merit to it.
I do think ego and I actuallyprobably put out that same stat
quite regularly by myself isthat 99% of you officers that

(35:09):
keep getting yourselves introuble, you're digging that
hole yourself.
You're letting your ego get inplace.
And when does that typicallyhappen, matt and Banning, the
moment somebody like Sean asks aquestion.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
The moment when anybody with an ego or
challenges their thinking,thinking right, or challenges
what their their norm, whatthey're used to.
They're you know hey you knowI'm telling you to leave, I need
your id.
No, you don't, that's not acriminal charge, uh, to be
warned.
And they're like what?
And then they just they get intheir feelings.
And again, I've always beentold, my mother always instilled
this into me don't allow anyoneto control your emotions,

(35:43):
because then they're going tocompletely control you and I
don't want anybody to control me.
So I try and let I let theofficers know, listen, because a
lot of them they see me hold mycamera and they're like
immediately, like they think I'mthe bad guy, they think I'm
their enemy.
And I tell them I've had youhave never been assaulted by a
man with a camera.
I promise you that I've beenassaulted with by a man in a

(36:04):
uniform that looks very similarto yours.
I've been put in handcuffs,thrown in a jail cell, mocked,
humiliated, my freedom takenaway from me and even though all
those things have happened, I'mnot ignorant enough to think
that I don't go and hold thatgrudge against you.
So if you see somebody holding acamera, don't go and use any

(36:24):
other prior experiences youmight have had or any type of
you know notion that you haveabout these first amendment
auditors or cop watchers.
Don't use that to judge thenext interaction you have with
somebody filming your traffic.
Stop filming.
You know they say, oh, officersafety.
You know there's never been acase unless somebody can prove
me wrong where a man with acamera has injured a law
enforcement officer on a trafficstop.

(36:46):
It's just never happened.
But I know plenty of lawenforcement officers who have
violated cameraman's rights andphysically hurt them.
So again, let's take the statsof how they are and act
accordingly.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Because, let's be honest, what's one of the first
things the court system is goingto do when they make an
argument?
They're going to bring up pasthistory, right?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
I'm right along the lines of Sean.
I don't think that's I thinkand cops hate me when I say this
, but I love you.
Civil rights violation blatant.
You should be in prison period.
We need to start makingexamples of these people.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
There's a special place under prisons for that.
Yeah, I'm sick of it.
Examples of these people.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
There's a special place under prisons for that.
I think people are trying toelicit an emotional response
with you tonight, Sean, with theFahey, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Sergeant Brian Fahey.
Oh man, what a guy, what a guy.
Yeah, we'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
But I do want to.
I want to this.
Okay, hold on one second.
That fly is right on my mic,Got it?
Fuck, I missed him again.
He's dive-bombing my face, mymustache, my eyes.
Okay, so I want to get to thepoint that I was trying to get
to.
Sean lies so much I don't thinkhe does.

(38:00):
How dare you?
That came from your page too.
I just ignore it.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I don't even, I don't even pay it any money.
It is.
You know, have I lied in mylife, sure?
it hasn't, um, but again it's.
I've been doing this four years, man there, you could tell me
anything you want to tell me.
I know the only people who areimportant to me are the people
that are in this house with meright now.
You know, and and my closefriends, that that's the only
opinions that matter honestly.

(38:30):
So I'm sorry to hurt yourfeelings if that hurts your
feelings, but I'm sorry, don'tcare, don't care stick with me.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I'm just trying to see if I can, uh, biggie size
this justice for the fly.
That's not working.
Is that what they're saying?
Just okay, I got this as wellas I can because it's short so
it's shown in a verticalplatform.
Uh, this damn fly.
Let me see my d.
This fly is not listening guys,all right, we're gonna pull up

(39:00):
some of, uh, sean's videos.
Um, we'll, we'll do this onefirst and then we'll discuss and
kind of treat it like we do ourBodycam Live stuff.
But we're going to use Sean'smaterial here, so make sure you
guys are following.
If you don't know, all creditto Sean's page.
This is where we're getting itfrom at Long Island Audit on his
YouTube channel.
He did not give me permissionto say that, but I'm doing it.

(39:20):
Here we go, but I'm doing it,so here we go, excuse me sir.

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Hands up against the wall.
You're on private property,sheriff's office, I'm not
breaking any laws.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Who are you?
I am the officer working here.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You're going to tell me to put my hands up against
the wall.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Your boy is breathy already.
Oh shit, this was the video Iwas talking about.
I didn't realize I had pulledup because full discredit, just
discredit, full discretion.
I, um, I asked some of our guysthat, uh, this is the fun part
about our show, sean, is we arevery interactive with the people
that follow us.

(39:58):
So I had a couple of my peopleshout out to tim uh and shout
out to mr billfold they, theypulled all these videos for us
today.
Uh, you, because they know yourhistory better, they're
actually the ones that helped usfind you and shout out to
Vertical Alliance for throwing$10 at us.
He said have you seen any of thefive-year clean meth guy?
Cdl was on his way to hisdaughter's prom.

(40:20):
Oh, I do know what he's talkingabout.
This guy was on his way to hisdaughter's prom, or something
like that, and he ended upgetting pulled over and couldn't
make it.
Uh, lost his job and all thatstuff.
So, um, I do know what you'retalking about, sir, and if we
can get to that, we will.
Um, but uh, sorry, let me getthis off the chat here, but so,
sean, was that the first wordsthey said to you?

(40:41):
first words that laid out thegate, get your.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Just hey, put your hands up against the wall, like
what, like what I couldn'tbelieve it.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
In what world is that okay, Like just put your hands
Like no, no, not at all.
And so this is what we'retrying to get across to officers
, because not only are copsgrossly trained, under-trained
apparently, apparently, when itcomes to First Amendment audits
and the Constitution and what itgoes to with your First
Amendment, rights to record andbeing in public places Screw,

(41:11):
just being filming, just beingin public places alone.
Cops are grossly undertrainedand I don't understand, but the
first words out of their mouth.
And so just I want to be clearyou're on an open public parking
lot and is that the prison, thejail, what is it?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
this is a the ulster correctional facility in upstate
new york.
So just for context, this is soI came.
You'll see in a second.
There's some stairs rightbehind him, to the left of him,
right there.
I came from the parking line, Iwalked down and there's like a
public charger for electricvehicles and it says the public
can use this charger.
Uh, right behind me is like apublic charging uh station and

(41:52):
he says this is there, is.
There are signs, um, to theright of him, at the beginning
of the road, that say authorizedpersonnel only.
Uh, which is weird to me,because there's a public charger
there that has a sign that saysthis is open to use.
You know, it would pop up onyour map.
I checked it popped up ongoogle maps for people to charge
there.
So that's a problem that theywere going to address.

(42:13):
I've already spoken to somepeople at the sheriff's office
there.
Uh, but this is open to thepublic.
I mean he's again.
Just to just put your handsagainst the wall.
Is your first thing you'regoing to tell me?
Put your hands against the wallright now and not even identify
yourself, like it's classic,refusing to de-escalate.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, no, and props to you, Sean.
That's some very goodinvestigative work that you did
on your side that I knowdetectives that wouldn't have
thought to do that when theywent and went to go put a case
against you they wouldn't havechecked to see if that public
access electrical charging placewas on the map for people to

(42:55):
gain access.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I don't know, you'll never catch me in a restricted
area, maybe one time because Ididn't see the sign, but other
than that, and the cops werereally cool about it, but other
than that, and the cops arereally cool about it, but other
than that, I always make surethat there's no signage because
you need to have.
You know it's got to be like, Ithink, a reasonable person
again, not an attorney, I thinklike a reasonable person should
have known that it was arestricted area due to signage

(43:18):
or some sort of fence orsomething like that.
But I'm never in an area likethat.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Never, yeah, yeah, yeah, we read that one already,
alan.
All right, let's, let's keepgoing with this.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I'm not breaking any laws.
You have no authority to detainme.
Are you even a deputy sheriff?
Are you a manpower out to wherethe carpet right now More
manpower for what you can't behere.
Sorry, you seem tired afterwhat you just did, but I'm not a
threat.
All right, let's stop.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
That was a dick move, bro, that was a dick move.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I never said I can't be a dick man.
I've never once said that,Never once.
That wasn't a dick move, thatwas beautiful.
And again they always start itright Hands against the wall.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I'm pissed off now, like I said you always, let them
open the door.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
He opened it.
You know that's exactly whatPac-Man from the movie Colors
the evil cop.
That's what he did to get thename put.
That was a movie they weretrying to make him young.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Sean's too young.
He don't even know what he'stalking about.
Oh, I remember the song I am anightmare walking Walking Bro.
I remember the song I am anightmare walking Walking Bro.
I loved colors.
That was great.
There's an old bull and a youngbull.
Come on, John, you know thatjoke.
No, I'll tell you, I can'tswear.

(44:39):
So there's an old bull and ayoung bull standing up on top of
a hill looking down at thefemale cows.
What do you call them?
Banning Heifers?

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Well, you're heifers.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, looking down at all the female cows and the
young calf looks at the old bulland he goes hey, let's run down
there and fuck one of them.
And the old bull says, nah, son, let's walk down there and fuck
them all.
He goes.
Once you figure that out,you'll understand the streets.
There's a lot of wisdom to thatright, matt, he's just losing

(45:11):
the followers.
Man, I know, yeah, I'm losing Ididn't make the joke up, it was
on the movie.
I'm quoting fuckers.
So um, yeah, anyway, um, everysingle cop, fat, lazy and stupid
, yep.
Hey, come on, I'm in shape.
Just because I'm wearing donuts, I mean, I'm not in shape.
I'm still in the military.

(45:32):
I still got to pass a PT test.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I don't have to do that.
Too many, too many.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, yeah, there are too many fatties Not going to
lie.
Okay, let's keep going.
After Sean's burn here.
No.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
You're not allowed to be here.
I'm telling you now you'regoing to be arrested.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Go up against the wall.
I'm telling you, I'm not goingto put my hands against the wall
because I haven't committed acrime.
You can't be here.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
Being here is a crime .
No, it's not.
Is there a sign on the way in?
There is no sign.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
There's a sign saying this is not telling you.
Put your hands up against thewall.
Look at these guys.
I can hear them all heavybreathing trying to get there.
Jesus, we got action.
We got, yeah, we got the guywith the looking forward to that
jesus all running in.
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Don't do it don't violate my rights.
There's no signage here.
There's no signage here.
There is no signage you guysneed to calm down.
There is no signage here.
There's no signage.
There is no signage.
You guys need to calm down.
There is no signage.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Look, look when I walked in right here, look, look
where I walked in.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So they don't even know?
Okay, let's go police style onthem.
Matt and Ben Yep, you bet whatpath did they take?
What path did our suspect take?
If there's two ways to get inthere, sean, was there two ways?
Yeah, okay, two ways of accessand they're pointing out one,
right?
Do you even know whichdirection he came in through?
Right?

(46:51):
So if you get him doubtingthemselves, you can tell right
away.
And, and sean wasn't fuckingplaying on this one.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
This is what sean is doing right here is just classic
resisting of an unlawful order.
It was an unlawful order to puthis hands on the wall, and Sean
knows the stuff and he's like,no, I don't have to, that's not
lawful.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Now, sean, I'm sure you would agree Please know what
you're talking about and you'redoing when you do this stuff.
Right?
I mean, you've got to educateyourself.
That's the most important thingEduc, right?
I mean.
Sean's got to learn from hardwork.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
That's the most important thing.
Educate, surround yourself bypeople who are smarter than you.
Educate yourself, yep, andbecause you don't want to give
any, any of these lawenforcement officers an opening
to arrest you lawfully and thenyou're going to go to jail, yeah
.
And you're not going to beat it.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah and you're not going to beat it.
Like my authority, yeah andyou're not going to.
That's the other part.
Like if you're going to do thisstuff, like we saw a video not
too long ago of a personpressing, trying to be like a
agitator, protester, and theyhad already given the warnings
like hey, this is turned violent, we're shutting this down, it's
no longer a peaceful protest,you know, and they gave like 15

(48:04):
minutes worth of warnings andsome lady comes up and just
throws herself at the wall andthey just opened it up as soon
as she went to jump and theyswarmed her and arrested her.
And it's like you can't turnviolent, know what your
limitations are.
Yes, you can protest, but themoment you start becoming

(48:25):
violent, things change Right.
Hold on, I might have got it.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Do you get stressed out with that, sean?
Did you at first.
Are you used to it now?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean I've never had this many officers running at
me before.
This was the first incidentthat I've had this happen.
I've had a lot of lawenforcement officers presence,
but not such a like aggressiveone, I should say.
So I got a little bit excited.
I'm like you know, this is.
You know, I'm not perfect andI'm trying to.

(48:55):
I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna getbeat up these Because it's not a
regular situation and that'sone of the perks of being a law
Right Like you, can do thingsthat might not be lawful and I
can't defend myself.
Whether I can, legally or not,in reality I work in reality.
That's in reality.
Whether it's an unlawful order,whether it's a excessive force

(49:17):
or anything like that, I defendmyself physically.
I'm going to get beat down tothe ground and I'm going to be
charged with felonies forputting my hands.
How dare I put my hands on alaw enforcement officer?
That's the reality.
So I know there's nothing I cando to defend myself.
If a regular citizen comes upto me, I'm like alright, man,
well, I'm going to put thiscamera down because we're not

(49:37):
doing this.
But with law enforcement,really nothing I could do come
stampeding towards you, looklike bro, I would have been
stressed like I get nervous justfor you.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I'm like, oh my god, because I I don't know how it's
gonna go.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Oh, you should imagine my family oh, think
about it you're married.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Right, I'm married.
Yeah, does she watch your?
My wife doesn't watch my stuffno, I mean she should watch.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
She used to watch it more than she does now.
It just she doesn't want to bestressed out.
Um, she fully supportseverything that I do, uh.
But, um, you know, when I firstwent, I was like, hey, I'm
gonna go do this audit.
I had no idea what I was doingand I was like I'm gonna go try
this out.
It was during covet and she waslike, all right, be safe.
And uh, if she would have toldme no, I would have never done
it.
It We'd never been in a LongIsland audit.

(50:24):
So, appreciate her support.
My family all supports mebecause they know who I am.
They know me so they know thatI'm not malicious and I'm not
anti-law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yep shout out to Flix Flux.
He said veteran rights vanishwhen cops learn I'm a combat vet
.
Routine stops, that's reallyfast, fast.
My service shouldn't mean fearand force.
Stop discriminating.
I can tell you right now,anytime I deal with a vet it's
actually relieves me.
I'd rather deal with vetsbecause I'm military.
I'm still in, I'm still amilitary cop for the air force,
I'm in security forces, soquasi-military according to

(50:59):
banning, because he was a marine.
So uh, but um, problem is somecops think everything they say
is a lawful order.
You're damn right, some of themdo, and everything that comes
out of their mouth.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, it's a lawful order because coming from a
lawful order officer are you areyou?
I don't think you are.
I would just be like no, you'renot, I don't think that word
means what you think it means.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I held on to this comment.
I wanted to read it because itwas a really good one.
Sammy Rodriguez said SergeantEric Levine, the problem is that
it takes a lot of white paintto make black paint fade away,
meaning the system's alreadycorrupted and the agencies are
already comfortable withprotection that they are getting
from the top of the enforcementagencies and that will take

(51:45):
lots of years to fix.
My blood really boils watchingthe tyranny that I see from law
enforcement agencies and this isthe reason why lots of people
hate cops.
I'm with you, I understand, andthat's one of the things.
I even talked with Sean aboutthis offline.
One of the things that I try todo specifically with my show and
what we do on Two Cops, oneDonut is I share good stuff too.

(52:06):
I think it's important becauseif all you create is an echo
chamber for cops doing bad orall you share is an echo chamber
for cops doing good, you'rereally missing the ability to
help fix things, and that's whatSean does and that's why I like
.
What Sean does so much is hewill show when cops do good and
he'll even say this cop passedor whatever, and and give them

(52:29):
credit for when they do that.
He even goes out and trainspolice departments that realize
they're either not doing verywell or maybe they're doing good
and they want to know how theycan get better.
And Sean goes out and talks atthose places.
Sean, what's your experiencebeen doing that?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
talks at those places .
Sean, what's your experiencebeen doing that?
So you know, the first everdepartment uh was that detective
sergeant, uh, michael banik.
He invited me.
He's in the head of internalaffairs at the hubbard police
department and he invited me out.
He saw the video of sergeantbrian fahey and he invited me
out to his department to have aconversation um do a co-training
with him to his entiredepartment.
It was a small department um uh,but it was good meeting a lot

(53:08):
of those uh, those individualsthere and you know we had good
conversations and we we reallyfocused on like humanizing, you
know, everybody in the situation.
Like you know, there was a lotof people there that you know
didn't support what I, you knowdidn't support me and they,
after we had the conversation,they're like wait a minute and
again it's.
It's about somebody said in thechat earlier, critical thinking

(53:28):
, nuance.
These are important terms tohave as a human being, uh to
realize what's going on in ourcountry and to critically
analyze every single situation.
Uh, that was the first timethat I spoke and then I did
another one.
I attended a command staffmeeting in north bergen, new
jersey.
I did ride-alongs at bothdepartments uh got to sit in the

(53:49):
passenger seat, had a goodconversation with the law
I was paired up with um andthen, more recently at a
district attorney's office,which was interesting, but it
goes well.
We all get along because I'm anice guy.
You know, they they, a lot ofthese officers that hate me.
They have a differentperception of me than what's
actual reality.
Um, they just think that I'mtrying to expose bad law, for

(54:13):
which I am, but that that's allI care about, and it's one of
the most important things I careabout, cause it's really
important.
Um, I'm not, you know,highlighting every cop that
saves a cat from a tree.
There's the mainstream mediafor that right, you guys get a
lot of praise.
And when you guys do heroicthings, you guys get a lot of
praise in the media.
Your local media cop savessomebody from a fire or
something like that, and youshould be commended for that.

(54:34):
But when we're talking aboutthis offline, I don't think that
all law enforcement officersshould be labeled as heroes.
Self-proclaimed.
Right, Because it's, it's it'sit's, it's cheapening the word
of hero.
Hero is defined by theiractions, not by their profession
, not by a uniform that theywear.
So can law enforcement officersbe heroes?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Sure, but just signing up and putting the
uniform on.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Yeah, just signing up on the dotted line and going
out and writing people tickets.
I don't think that makes you ahero.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I got out of hate me when I say that man that
triggers so many people.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I'm sure it does, because they want to be a hero.
Who doesn't want to be a hero?
Who doesn't want people call mea hero all the time?
I don't think I'm a hero.
You know, I try and be ashumble as possible because ego
is so dangerous.
I understand.
I see it in cops every day.
I see it all the time when I goto these facilities, when I go
to these departments, and Idon't want to be caught up in
that.
It is something that you know.
If you let it get to your head,it's going to be a problem.
So I try and remain, you know.

(55:32):
Hey, I'm not a hero man, I'mjust doing my job yep, um, sorry
, I'm looking at the chat.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'm letting my guys know in the background that I'm
just looking at the chats, thatthey still are.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I think there should be a good, seasoned auditor in
every single police academy inthis country, in every class, to
teach.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I mean you guys teach a lot better than most of these
instructors.
Honestly, don't sue us, but Ithink we used some of your
videos in our academy.
They've used my videos.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Somebody sent me an email that they were.
I'm not going to say their nameor anything.
Think we use some of yourvideos in our academy.
They've used my videos.
I've gotten um, somebody hassaid uh, somebody sent me an
email that they were.
I'm not gonna say their name oranything, but they, they
emailed me privately and theysaid, hey, I'm in the nypd
academy and you know, one of thesergeants played one of your
videos and they were saying howyou're the biggest asshole.
And I was like, well, I mean, Imean, they're just they,

(56:22):
they're using it as propaganda.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
In the academy.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
They said that yeah, they're using, yeah, they're
using.
This sergeant was using myvideos and saying this guy's an
asshole.
They're training them fromright at the beginning to hate
people with a camera.
So I'm like, wow, he's like Icouldn't believe it, you know.
I'm like listen, I at least Iappreciate you're in the class
and that you understand thatthat's total bullshit and that.
Just disregard that, becauseit's incredible, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
That's disgusting oh my gosh.
Well, the problem that, sean,you may not be aware of and this
may give some insight to thepeople listening what that one
instructor is teaching, the nextinstructor that's teaching
another because, like NYPD,they're teaching multiple
academy classes at a time.
So let's say it's class 145that that sergeant's teaching,

(57:13):
but another sergeant's teachingclass 146 at the same time.
That sergeant may be showingyour stuff and saying look how
this is how you handle it, likelook how he's doing this, he's
right Talking about all the good.
How this is how you handle it.
Like look how how he's doingthis, he's right, Talking about
all the good.
And that is the disparity intraining in the in that we face.
Is that what one instructorwants to teach?
Where the consistency?

(57:33):
We don't have that continuityand consistency in training,
even at the same department.
Has that been your experience,banning and Matt?
That you'll get training fromone FTO and then the next FTO
tells you the exact opposite?

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Yeah, but the disparity is yeah, I guess
you're right, it happens, yeah,and you're like okay, well, this
guy told me to do this.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And you're like no, no, don't do that.
And what's the thing that everyFTO and I'm generalizing, but
what's FTO say as soon as youget out of the academy Don't
listen to anything they taughtyou in the academy.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
It is a lot of change over.
However, I will say that makinga statement like that about
illegal activity that's about asreprehensible as any false
teacher that you can think of.
That's disgusting.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
What I heard a lot when I first got in and I'm an
old man, I got into this in 2002, and I used to hear FTOs tell
me and tell other new guys, doas I say, not as I do, and that
makes the hairs on the back ofmy neck stick up.
Now I didn't see anythingillegal, but it's the fact.

(58:42):
Don't even put that into a mindof a new law enforcement
officer.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Well, what are they thinkingnow, going down the road riding
next to this experienced guy?
It just man, it just pisses meoff.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Yeah, where's the honor in that, where's the valor
, where's the integrity that'stoo much of that.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I want to address this comment from Michael Prusak
.
He said you will always beremembered for your billboard
truck.
Can you go into what we'retalking about here?
That was wonderful.
All right.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
So I had rented an LED billboard truck, a huge
14-foot billboard truck, toprotest.
I was unlawfully arrested inNassau County, new York.
The police commissioner there,patrick psycho writer and I call
him psycho, not because I madethat nickname for him, that's,
his friends gave him thatnickname.
Apparently he used to jump outof trees and stuff when he was.
He's been arrested multipletimes police brutality, perjury,

(59:38):
official misconduct, uh, youname it um, and he apparently
allegedly uses, you know, assetforfeiture in a way that is
really bad.
I mean, it must be.
He won't give me till this day,two years later.
He won't give me the copies ofthat's a forfeiture.
But anyway, I wanted to exposehim um for his.
It's like a little plot.
It's so crazy the politics andall the you know the minutia of

(01:00:00):
what's going on that the policecommissioner is telling these
officers and they'll say, right,on, body camera, I'm just
following orders, man, like,like, I don't know like.
And while they had the bodycameras for me, particularly
while I'm sitting in the cell,they put a body camera right in
front of the cell and one of theofficers came in and he didn't
know that the body camera was on.
He was like hey, man, can I getyour autograph?

(01:00:20):
And then they were like thebody camera.
I'm sure he got in trouble forthat one what yeah, no, but I'm
no, yeah, you don't know.
the commissioner, uh, he's a badguy, but I put a billboard
truck, um, I rode it around infront of the, the nassau county
building, then I took it aroundthe, the block where patrick
rider resides, and, um, like 15officers showed up.

(01:00:42):
I wasn't arrested or anything.
I think they just patted medown or whatever.
But another thing we shouldtalk about is you know, a Terry,
stop.
I don't think officers reallyknow.
I think they could just, theythink they could just pat
everybody down, that they, thatthey want to.
And that's not the way the lawworks, cause they said it's
already stopped Boom, boom, youknow, frisking you have to have
suspicion of something, thatthey have a weapon right.

(01:01:04):
You can't just go tap ineverybody's pockets.
But anyway, I rented thebillboard truck, the Nassau
County District Attorney Officeand the Nassau County Police
Department.
They are very close and theywork hand-in-hand as you would
imagine, but they workhand-in-hand in their tyranny
and their corruption as well.
So they sent out thesesubpoenas to the billboard truck
company.
They got the license plate.
They sent out these subpoenasasking for all this information

(01:01:27):
and the billboard truck companygot really spooked because they
were like hey, man, we're nottrying to mess around with the
district attorney's office.
You know, I understand andthey're like you know, we
appreciate your business, butwe're not gonna be able to rent
your truck anymore.
So I went and raised some money, took out some loans uh, myself
and I bought an LED billboardtruck of my own so this doesn't
happen again.
And now I own a 14-foot LEDbillboard truck and it's been

(01:01:50):
great.
I love it.
It's one of my best purchasesof my life.
I love that truck, man you callthat a gangster move.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
It wasn't an easy move.
I'll tell you that man, thatdude that is wasn't an easy move
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I'll tell you that man, that thing hurt a lot of
money.
I'm trying to find a photo ofit so we can share it.
Uh, I'm not, it's, it's allvideos that I'm pulling up, so,
but, um, okay, let's uh I,before we get to your video.
Um, I want to get to thiscomment right here because it's
for you, sean.
Uh, damn it.
It says uh, sean, what made youpick up the camera to record

(01:02:29):
your first interaction?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Um so basically I was .
I think I already said this,but I'll just say really again,
really quick.
I watched a lot of firstamendment auditing content, uh,
I watched a lot of like lawenforcement content, not
necessarily against lawenforcement.
I think law enforcementinteractions are interesting,
the dynamic, and I used to watcha lot of First Amendment
auditing content Jeff Gray, justto name one.

(01:02:53):
He's been the best at doing it,I think, than everybody else.
There's not anybody doing it onlong island area, so I decided
to just pick up the camera andgo.
You know, I was furloughed frommy job.
I was a logistics director fora cosmetic manufacturing company
and um, so I had time on myhands, I picked up the camera

(01:03:13):
and I went there and I uploadedit to tick tock not even youtube
, I didn't have a youtubechannel yet and I got like four
million views on tick tock and Iwas like whoa, that's pretty
cool.
And, um, I just kept doing it.
I was like you know, I'm goingto keep going to these
departments and seeing whatthey're going to do for a man
exercising his rights, and I'mgoing to be respectful.
I'm going to, you know, bepeaceful.
I'm not going to raise my voice, I'm not going to try and

(01:03:35):
obstruct anything.
I'm going to do it the way thatI want to do it, and I think
people really because there's alot of auditors out there and
activists that they allow theiremotions to control them and
they maybe, because of theirpast law enforcement experiences
and what we've seen, a lot ofthese things anger me too, but
you know, I try and remainpeaceful and calm because that's

(01:03:56):
what's gonna, you know, makethe interaction go as smooth as
possible.
I'm also trying to get home tomy family, um, and I just kept
going and I wasn't making anymoney.
I made $7 my first month onYouTube and it wasn't some type.
I didn't think of it as like acareer or anything like that.
And speaking of money, I justwant to touch on this really
quick.

(01:04:17):
It has turned into a career forme.
I don't charge for thesetrainings.
I've never taken any money fromany law enforcement agency to do
any trainings or the districtattorney's office, but I do make
money on YouTube through socialmedia, through ads, just like
any and I explain this to courtall the time just like any news
outlet.
Any news outlet makes money onads CNN, msnbc, fox news.
You know we'll be right backafter this commercial break,

(01:04:38):
right, that's how it works.
But you know they always sayyou know, you're just doing this
for money.
It's like what do you do.
Are you doing your job formoney?
They always try and discreditme and say, oh, you're just
trying to make money.
Well, yeah, I'm trying to makemoney, but I'm doing something
that I love.
Are you jealous?
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I love it.
American dream baby.
Yes, that's awesome.
I know, is capitalism a goodthing or a bad thing?
I don't know.
The thing is, it's just likewhat we're doing.
There's not a lot of cops thatdo what we do, and Matt and
Banning will both tell you weget shit from a lot of cops
because of what we do.
I can only imagine I don't care.

(01:05:19):
I don't care because I'm goingbased on my heart.
It's really why I do what I do.
I just let my heart lead theway, and Matt's the same way.
Matt and I are two differentbrothers from another mother and
I got him on here because ofthat.
And when we watch the stuff thatyou do and people are going to
give you crap for getting paidfor it, you either believe in

(01:05:43):
the mission or you don't.
And it's the same for what wegot going on.
It's not that we're out here totry to make money, but if we
want the mission to shine and dobetter and improve, it takes
money to do that.
And like what with you're doing, like you're bringing, you are
bringing great awareness.
I will tell you straight up oneof the reasons I love what you
do is because you have helpedcreate better training for cops.

(01:06:05):
Whether you meant to or not.
You've created better trainingfor police officers.
So that's one of the reasonswhy we love showing your stuff
because you you take the time tonot just buck against the
system, in a sense, and in agood way, but you educate, as
you're doing it.
Like even in this video, thatwe still haven't got all the way
through, like you get to thepoints that people need to know

(01:06:30):
and need to hear.
So, um, without further ado,I'm going to bring that video
back up so we can continuewatching it.
Uh, where did it go there?
It is All right, let's, uh, hitplay.
I don't.
Banning kind of disappeared.
I don't know if he's trying toget back in there.
He is Banning.
Did you get booted for a second?

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Yeah, I watched y'all find my little icon went away.
It didn't say I lost internetor anything Country internet out
there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
That's the problem.
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
There's no signage by the stairs?
No, there is not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
There is no signage, so many cops hands up against
the wall.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
You're on prior property sheriff's office.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I am you're gonna tell me to put my hands up
what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
it just re-looped.
This is the same thing we justwatched, but it's always
interesting that a lot of cops.
It's a short video, but as longas a lot of cops they always say
like this is.
But as long as a lot of copsthey always say like this is
private property, like how doyou not know the difference
between private property andpublic property?
Like, it just seems like such asimple concept to me.
It's like, again, I always saythe biggest problems in law

(01:07:37):
enforcement is the lack ofaccountability, ego and the lack
of proper training.
Those are the three biggestproblems.
If we can try and tackle thosethree problems, law enforcement
will be a better profession,have a higher standard of a law
enforcement officer and wewouldn't have these problems.
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
The huge thing about what you just said is it takes
cops saying that out loud.
Yeah, in accordance.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
That's why I think that this is why I'm restreaming
this on my channel.
I think it's important.
I appreciate you guys.
Matt, I brought you on thechannel.
You got to come on again, man.
But I brought you on thechannel.
You, I think you were with thefirst law enforcement.
I'll show you, come on my, comeon my channel.
It was a while ago.
It was like what?

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
like two, three years ago yeah, about two, about
three years ago yeah, it was theonly way we're going to help
fix things.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, it has to be both sides.
You have to.
I don't know what it is.
It's no different than when youtry to like.
For me, if I try to tell mywife, she's like I need to lose
a few pounds.
I'm like, well, cut this partout of your diet, that will help
you.
Or, you know, drink some morewater.
Whatever it is, she'll get thesame advice from a girlfriend or
whatever, and she's like, ohyeah, I'm going to do this.
I'm like I told you that a longtime ago.

(01:08:53):
It's the same thing with thisSean's out there telling you
what you need to hear.
And how do you?
What gives that credibility?
How?
How many criminal charges havebeen sustained?

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
11 11?

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
yeah, and none of them, so.
So I go back to that.
That gives him his credibility.
Now, if they're not going tolisten to that, listen to matt,
listen to me, listen to banning,listen to the slew of other
officers that we have on here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
There's a lot I got to tell people.
You know a lot of people youknow say like you know, all cops
are bad and things like that.
And you know we can debatewhether it's the culture,
whether it's the system itself,and there's a lot of different
nuanced topics that we couldtalk about.
But from my personal experienceI have to, you know, I got to
speak the truth.
It's like I've had hundreds, ifnot thousands, of law

(01:09:39):
enforcement officers email meover the course of the last four
years Again, spoken at policedepartments, spoken at district
attorney's office.
The district attorney's office Ijust spoke at was in the same
area I don't know if youremember this, matt uh, pooler,
georgia, where the police chief,ashley Brown, he told me you
know, get out of the parking lot, you can't be here.
Where's your press badge?

(01:10:00):
I'm the police chief.
It was in Poolorgia.
It was, you know my viral video, uh, that the news station
covered it and they posted myvideo.
They're like, hey, can we postyour video?
And I was like.
I was like, yeah, sure, noproblem.
They posted my video and it'sgot more views than my video on
my channel.
It's got like seven I just madea whole bag for the news

(01:10:21):
department.
They made like $40,000 out of 7million views or something like
that 8 million views.
But it was cool At the end ofthe day, I just wanted to.
They work with that departmentand that police chief is still
there and he definitely hates methere's no doubt about it in my
mind and they still invited meto go speak there and put it on

(01:10:42):
camera for the world to see.
You know, to me that'sintegrity, that's integrity.
And you know they were, theywere willing to pay me and
everything, and I said I don'twant any money, I'll pay for my
own way.
It's fine, I appreciate theopportunity.
I I don't want people to think,you know, I have no problem
people taking money to speak atspeaking engagements again
capitalism.
You know, make them all themoney you can.
But I I make enough money on mysocial media platforms that I

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don't, you know.
Let's be honest.
You know public agencies don'tpay that much anyway, so it's
not like I'm turning down ahefty amount of money, um.
So you know they're I justdon't want to take from their
budget.
I don't want to take anytaxpayer money that way.
I I think it's a good.
It's like my way of thankingthat department or that agency
for saying let's work withsomebody that we might not a
hundred percent agree with orthere's people here on our staff

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that don't agree with him andit might give us some backlash.
But I think in the at the endof it, the way I tell law
enforcement agencies when Ispeak to them, I'm like it's
good publicity for you.
Why are you?
You you see the camera in myhand why not Like, if you're
acting this bad on camera, I canonly imagine what you're doing
when the camera's not rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That makes that point all the time.
It's your time to shine, rightyou?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
see the camera.
It's not like it's some hiddenbutton camera or something, or
my glasses, you know.
You see the camera in my handand you're still acting like a
dick.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Imagine what you do after Somebody was pointing out
my shirt.
I just want to give a shout outbecause it's actually one of
our sponsors.
So check out the Retro Rifle,check out their shirts.
Now, guys, what you can't seeis the sprinkles on my shirt.
They're bullets.
So it's kind of.
One of the cool things aboutRetro Rifle is they hide guns
all over their stuff.
Alan, one of our guys behindthe scenes, he's wearing one of

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the dinosaur shirts, but yeah,they make Hawaiian shirts that
have guns hidden all over them.
So if you're a pro 2A person, Iwould imagine, sean, you being
so pro 1A that you would respectthe 2A as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Of course, all constitutional rights.
Yeah, brother, allconstitutional rights.
14th Amendment, due process,every single constitutional
right.
This is America.
If you can't respect theConstitution, I don't know what
we're doing here.
That's the whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
I don't get it.
I'm with you and I think, ifwe're going to make Matt and
Banning, if we're going to getSean to step up his game I mean
he's been doing 1A fine I thinkhe needs to combine 1 and 2.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
All right, I don't want to get shot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
I'm going to zoom in on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Yeah, okay, I retract that because I he's a treasure
to this, to this nation yeah,shout out to retro rifle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Uh, guys, check them out.
Go to their website.
Cool, get you a cool shirt, um,but yeah, let's.
Uh, matt, I didn't want topress you too long so oh, I'll
text him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
I got a little bit more time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
You got more time?
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I'll text him, tony, Iknew you were a little time
constrained.
How?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
long do you guys usually go, bro?
We just go, I know, we just go.
Oh, we just go yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Normally we go about an hour and a half two hours,
but we're really here for them.
We're trying to answer theirquestions as we go and give them
a chance.
But with you on here there's alot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
We got the national treasure on tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Yeah, everybody loves you, brother.
So we want to make sure you getall the attention and answer
the questions to your fans andthe people from ours that may
want to chat with you.
But I also try to make.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I just want to say really quickly Sorry, I just
want to say I I can't see anysuper chat from my channel and
I've received a bunch um and Ijust want to just just mention
them because that's I think it'srude if I don't.
Uh, lynn harris, thank you somuch.
Um, maury, thanks for the uhmemberships.
Uh, snickless, thank you somuch, and that's it there you go
.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yep, um, damn it, slow your roll, let me get.
I was trying to read this one,nicholas 110,.
He said you should try to geteach police department that has
arrested you to do a training orpartner with someone that does
training.
It would be a big F you tothose officers' egos when you
walk in and explainconstitutional rights.
Yeah, it'd be kind of cool.

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We need.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Matt to go over into every department and train every
department, and I think that'dbe cool.
Oh, that'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
That'd be a dream of mine.
I'll go with you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I was an academy instructor man, and this is one
of the things that I've beentrying when I went down to
Savannah, I brought my attorney,the former prosecutor Jacob
Uriel, and he did it for free aswell.
Again, I'm not saying therecan't be any money in it.
Maybe there is money in it thatyou guys have to set aside

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money for training purposes.
I mean, that's the whole point,and I think it would be good to
have somebody with the rightmindset.
I've seen a training thathappened in Florida where they
were like the people are theenemy.
It was like a pretty scary typeof thing.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
It was like a it was.
I got to look it up.
It was I don't know what partof Florida, but it was some part

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of Florida that they did sometraining and I was like whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
And they, the elite, like the video of the training
and it was basically just likethat.
People are the enemy.
You know your only job is to gohome safe to your family, f
everyone else like craziness andI'm like, wow, I fully admit
that is the mantra in policingto go home to your family.
And I don't disagree with thatnecessarily, because there's
plenty of examples of copsgetting ambushed, attacked, shot
at.
I mean, look what just happenedin Idaho.
Firefighters, firefighters,everybody loves firefighters and
they're out there trying tofight a wildfire in Idaho and

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they're getting sniped.
It was set up.
So I'm like, damn, and theyshot.
People responded to that.
So I'm like, yeah, you shouldgo home safe, but not at the
expense of violating somebody'srights.

Speaker 10 (01:16:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Like for sure Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Listen, we talk about officer safety like I've talked
about a lot.
On my channel I hear it a lot.
It's a lot, it's talked about alot and the reason why it
really matters to me in a legalcontext is that it's used a lot
to hamper our constitutionalrights.
Officer safety is used tohamper and limit our rights and
I think that's a problem.

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Everybody wants, I mean,officer safety.
Everybody's supposed to be safe.
Everybody wants everybody safe.
Let's all be safe.
I mean I want officers to besafe.
I want, you know, the membersof the public to be safe.
Again, if you just look at itobjectively, statistically, you
know officers are killing peoplemore than people are killing
officers, whether that's.
You know, there's nuance there.
Again, I want to again nuance,that's the word of the day.

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But again, you know officersafety.
I think that you know thePennsylvania v Mims is a
horrible decision.
Personally, only because whatdo you do?
Yeah, it's too vague, like oh,just step out of the car.
How many times has an officertold to my step out of the car?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
and it made the situation more dangerous for the
officer because they tell mehow many times they've done it
just because their ego, theirfeelings were hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Hey step out of the car why?
Because I said so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Yeah, I don't think they do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
They're not using that off with safety.
They're just doing it becausethey can, and that's why we came
up with attorney shield too.
It's one of the companies thatI'm a co-founder of and I wanted
to.
I've seen so many videos ofpeople getting their windows
busted, dragged out of the car,tased, all because maybe they
had a broken taillight butbecause the officer told me to
get out the car, and they'relike I'm not getting out of the
car.
They don't know that this caselaw exists, and which.

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I don't blame people.
You know there's a lot of copsthat don't know the law, case
law, so you know they don't know, and then they get their window
broken and they get put in theuh, they get put, they get taken
to jail and they have theirrights violated.
You know, that's why I'm it'spartnered with lackluster.
You see lackluster's logo rightthere.
That's my uh, it's my guy rightthere, lackluster.
He's a shout out to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Lackluster yeah, good dude, We've highlighted his
video before.
I wanted to shout out to BenThank you for the $5.
He said we need more chats likethis.
Thank you, gentlemen.
I'm glad you guys are kind ofgetting the point of what we're
trying to do 100%.
Appreciate that.
And then there was another one.
We had a $50 donation, whichwas amazing.
I want to highlight Lynn HarrisGraylin and she said hi, sean,

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thank you for protecting myrights and for all the hard work
and sacrifices, love andrespect from Florida.
Thank you, lynn.
That's awesome.
Thank you so much.
And then I wanted this was agood question, mr Perlove11 said
.
Question for the cops.
Has there been a time in yourprofession that afterwards you
said you didn't make the rightdecision?

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I will tell you yes.
For me, um, I have.
There's been times that I'vearrested the male during a
domestic and come to find out hewas set up and I had just went
with the well, dude guys, youknow, I felt, for the guys can
usually do the most damage da,da, da, da, da da.
And I just took him because Ididn't want to dig far enough

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like I should have.
I was young, I had not had muchexperience in dealing with
people's relationship issues.
I mean, how much does a20-year-old really have to deal
with somebody else's you know,15 year developing relationship
issues?
So I ended up taking the guyand it turns out that the female
was the aggressor and she wassetting him up for trying to get

(01:19:53):
child support and stuff likethat.
But what about you, matt?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
I mean there's, there's different variables.
I mean you, you, you're alwaysif you're presented.
You got to go off theinformation you're presented at
the time and there's been timeswhere I go back oh, you learned
something different.
Yeah, some witness comes for us.
Okay, maybe that was, but, butthere's no, it's always in good
faith and I've never yeah Iguess I should say that it
wasn't like anything malicious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I wasn't like intentionally fucking up it,
just I learned.
I learned a lot, you know, themore I went and I screwed up.
I've screwed up a lot, likeI've made some dumb decisions,
you know, like, yeah, basing,you know, chasing a car, I'm
right on his butt, he took off,he went down a a ramp.
I was done like he, I couldn'tkeep, I couldn't stay with him

(01:20:39):
because I was too close, youknow.
And then afterwards I'm kickingmyself because the guy ends up
committing two robberies lateron.
You're like, damn, if I knewbetter and backed off and didn't
chase so hard, like I couldhave maybe stayed with them.
And so, yeah, tons of regretsin this, this career.
It sucks, man.
Um, but all with a good heartI'll.
I'll say that I've always had agood heart about the stuff that

(01:21:01):
I've done, banning you oh,absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
You know, I definitely can't walk on water
with my decisions and I'velearned from my decisions, um,
and in training in the beginning, and I'm sure I've made other
decisions.
You know that could have beendone better.
That I don't even know about,but I take everything with a
grain of salt.
You've got to become bettereach and every day, especially
if you have that badge on and wedo have a broken chain link.

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And I'm not blaming theacademies, but I believe the
academies need to be a lotbetter at fixing this problem at
hand.
I mean, that's where it'scoming from.
But, a big problem in theacademies of not getting that

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knowledge to these recruitsbefore they get out there.
I mean the First Amendmentauditors I mean Sean could
probably answer this the best.
I don't even know when thefirst successful First Amendment
auditor was.
That was out there, but thatstarted changing the game right
there for law enforcement thattruly wanted to go out there and
pardon the term of serve andprotect.
It's exposing the problem thatis out there.

(01:22:10):
Not even all law enforcementknew that problem was going on
but it made them go.
Hmm, we need to fix this.
What are we doing to screwthings up?
And and that's why I love thefact that these successful first
amendment auditors go out therethey're exposing a problem.
You know, and I know it's morethan the first amendment, but
kudos to guys like Sean andothers that are doing that,
especially the ones that havetaken this as a career.
That's a bold move, just likeit's a bold move to go in law

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enforcement.
You better bring a hundredpercent of your of your heart
and your brain into this.
If you're going to get into itjust like, if you're going to do
it as a first amendment honor,because it's gotta be just
watching that video of you andall those corrections officers
or deputies or whatever the hellthey were running out at you.
You know I'm a big guy.
I'm approaching 300 pounds.
I'm over six feet tall.
If I had that many, he's big,running at me, a cop for 21

(01:22:59):
years.
I'm gonna.
I'm probably gonna startstuttering like Are they about
to shoot?
Are they about to beat me onthe baton?

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Getting some connection issues with you
Banning.
How do we go ahead, matt?
How do we audit the academies?
Who's in charge of making surethat they're teaching the right
things?
Because stuff that Colin, seanand A-Hole in the academy I
can't stop thinking about that.
You're leading how many astrayby doing that he's doing a legal

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activity like that.
How do we audit them?
Is that the DOJ?
Does anybody know?

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
I guess it would depend on each agency there's
got to be.
That's why it's hard, becausethere's not a lot of oversight
when it comes to law enforcement.
There's a lot of critics,there's a lot of people who are
commenting, but there's not alot of oversight and you know
when it's, a lot of the timesit's always dependent on, like,
the police chief.
If you have a good police chief, you have a good culture of the

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department.
You know I've seen firsthandwhere that department will
respond in such a better way.
I've seen firsthand where thatdepartment will respond in such
a better way.
Smaller departments tend to,you know, depending on the
location and again, theirculture and their police chief,
tend to do better on audits thana larger department with much
more resources.
Hubbard Police Department is agreat department.

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They were the first in thewhole country.
I've never seen an auditor ifthere was, I don't know of them,
but I've never seen an auditorwork with a police department in
a training recorded before theHoward Police Department.
That's a police department oflike 50 officers, so it's a
small police department, butthey had the courage to say, hey
, we want to work with you, wewant to collaborate, and it

(01:24:39):
opened up.
I believe that video is like500,000 views on.
It has opened up so many doors,not to myself, in order to go
to speak at different umdifferent agencies, but it was
such a bold move that I reallyappreciate it.
You know, detective sergeantmichael banik, till this day, is
a dear friend of mine.
He's a great guy, great moralcharacter.
Um, I've met his wife.

(01:25:01):
We've went out to dinner.
You know, these are people thatI truly hold close to me and
people would think would think alot of these ignorant people
who just see my videos on clipsor they don't see the whole
context, they don't know whatI'm about.
They'll be like you hate thepolice.
Some of my closest friends arelaw enforcement officers,
attorneys, district attorneys.
These are people I love, peoplewho are willing to learn and we

(01:25:21):
can grow together and we canhave good conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Eric, we had a conversation for two hours on
the phone, two hours y'all I'mnot joking, we talked for two
fucking hours yeah, I'm justagain, when you have a good
conversation doesn't feel liketwo hours so no, not at all

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
you know, it doesn't feel like two hours, so it was
good, and my whole point is tobridge the gap.
Educate, educate, bringawareness to it.
I'm not here to advocate forgetting rid of law enforcement.
Again, these are such ignorantconcepts, in my opinion.
They're such ignorant concepts.
We need law and order in thecountry.
Somebody breaks into your house, somebody does this, somebody

(01:26:01):
steals your car.
How are you going to find theguy who stole your car?
You're to call law enforcement.
Right, I have no.
You know, somebody had stolenmy car a year or two ago.
I had to call law enforcement.
You know, I, I don't you knowI've been playing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
If I would have called them they'd be like give
us a half hour, we'll figure outwho took it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yeah, no, they they've never did and they never
care.
I knew they weren't going to.
I just wrote a, a statement.
I said here you go, here it is.
I need this for insurance.
You know, I know you guysaren't going to do it Because my
local law enforcement we havelike a love-hate relationship,
like they were my first videohere, suffolk County Police
Department.
And they are really, oh,suffolk County.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
The big red patches right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, big red patches .
I looked up their salaries justa year ago and the highest guy
was getting like 400, 000, uh,300, 250.
They're getting a lot of costfor living.
Yeah, I mean it's expensive outhere, it's, it's, it is

(01:26:56):
expensive.
But I I don't know anyprofessions other than law
enforcement that pay that.
Well, maybe something in themedical field, I don't know.
But holy, there was a and hewas just like a sergeant or
something.
It wasn't even anything crazy,I don't even.
I remember I was like, wow, 400grand.
Yeah, that's pretty crazy, likeyou know, isn't that what the
president makes like, yeah, itwas.
It was wild to me.
But yeah, they get paid prettygood, especially nassau and
suffolk.
They have so much, they havehuge budgets, nassau county

(01:27:20):
under.
And again, this is why it'sdangerous when you have a high.
This guy, the policecommissioner, patrick
Psycho-Ryder, he has this budget, billions of.
He has a facility, a35,000-square-foot facility, an
intelligence facility.
Like what?
Like it's Nassau County, likeyou need a 35,000-square-foot
intelligence facility, like whatare you even doing there?

(01:27:42):
And he's the guy if you'renot're not familiar.
He sent over.
They got a bogus warrant from ajudge for criminal trespassing
again, bad faith, totally wrong.
And I have I have a lot ofsources in that department and
he hates that.
I know all of his littlemeetings that he has everything
that he does.
But he because people reallyrespect what I do and they, they

(01:28:02):
want to come out and saysomething but they're terrified
of this guy.
He's a lot of power.
He's trying to kill peoplebefore.
This guy's an insane, a policecommissioner, one of the highest
funded, highest paid, mostpowerful police departments in
the country and it's insane.
He sent two masked men.
I'm driving home from 7-elevenand I see this honda civic it
was like a 1995 Honda Civic andit goes to pull right in front

(01:28:26):
of me and hit me and I pull outof the way, I go in my
neighbor's yard and I keep goingto my house and I run into my
house.
I was like what's going on here?
Then two masked guys get out ofthe car and this 1995 Honda
Civic, no lights, and they runup and they were barely masked.
And then they see my securitycameras and then they're like
they put up the mask all the wayup to there.

(01:28:48):
It was a friday night.
What I was told to my sourcesis he sent these guys across
county lines, didn't even notifyon a, on a on a low level
misdemeanor warrant.
You guys are cops do you cross,send you know masked men in, in
, in no unmarked vehicles foracross lines for a low-level
misdemeanor warrant.

(01:29:08):
No you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
I'm going to look Immediately.
I'm going to say what's hewanted for I'm going to look at
the warrant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Criminal trespass.
I'm going to go.
What's next?
How?

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
many guys ended up going up there that day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
There was two of them and then eventually again I got
sources in a bunch ofdepartments.
They didn't even let theSuffolk County Police Department
know I own a rental propertyand they were literally.
They pulled over one of mytenants, thinking it was me, for
no reason, he didn't doanything wrong, pulled him over
Again.
These are Nassau County copsmaking traffic stops in Suffolk

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County with masks, like justit's like his goon squad that he
has and that's how you knowthey're wrong.
They left, they ended upleaving and they didn't break
the door then do anything.
They ended up leaving and theynever came back.
They never came back.
They left and never came back.
If the warrant I, I was, alreadyhad an open case with them.
I had an attorney.

(01:30:00):
They knew who I.
Obviously they know who I am.
They could have said hey, youknow we have another warrant for
you for x, y and z.
You know, schedule a time toturn yourself in.
No, but the whole point of whatthey did was to try and
intimidate me and my family.
My family was terrified.
Imagine my wife seeing twomasked men just in regular
clothes, just masked up, looklike any, like any sort of

(01:30:21):
criminal, in front of our houselooking for me no badge, no,
nothing, no lights out, irons,anything.
My wife was terrified and it'sbecause they wanted to arrest me
on friday so I had to sit forthe weekend and it was to punish
me, um, for going against youknow, and talking about him or
whatever, and they just it, just.
All they do is just make itworse and worse for themselves

(01:30:42):
and and and make me want tocontinue to expose whatever it
is that they're trying to hide,because he has a lot to hide,
that guy, and again, I've neverheard of anything like it on a.
This is when I'm telling you amisdemeanor warrant.
I'm telling you, like a Class Cin New York State, it is
low-level misdemeanor warrant.
You're not going across countylines for that warrant unless

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Right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
You're not going across county lines for that
warrant, unless right you're notgoing across city lines.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
You're not going across the street for that right
, we don't have time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Okay, I want to get.
We got a lot of questions umsaved up here, so I want to
let's knock down some of thoseum right before we do guys, I
just want to put it out therefor our guys and then you know,
everybody else that's attachedto this um, matt banning me, a
whole slew of people.
We're hoping we haven't pitchedit to sean yet.
I don't want to put him on thespot, but we're hoping we can

(01:31:32):
get him involved as well.
We got something out there.
It's a new network that we'retrying to do where we highlight
exactly what we're doing matthimself is going to create.
We're going to get Matt his ownshow where he talks about these
tough discussions and stufflike that.
We plan to have Sean on that.
We plan to have a lot of theSean I'm sorry, matt's actually
got good connections with, youknow, former felons that have,

(01:31:54):
you know, turned their lifearound and stuff like that or
have been treated wrong by thesystem.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
I know my father's business right?
Yeah, yeah, I love it, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
You're doing we plan on getting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Uh, we plan on getting shows and stuff.
We got big plans for this andit's all coming through.
Um, dtv it's uh, it's brand new.
We're getting this going.
Um, we got matt on board.
We got a big pocket of peopleof of cops from all around the
nation uh, involved in this aslong as community, along with
community leaders and stuff likethat through.
Like what I said, what Matt'sgot going on, what I've got

(01:32:27):
going on, um, this is not a copecho chamber.
That's the exact opposite ofwhat we want.
We want exactly what we'redoing on the show right now.
Um, we just want to have morepeople um, be the voice of it
other than than me.
I don't need to be the voice ofit.
Matt can be a voice.
Banning can be a voice than me.
I don't need to be the voice ofit.
Matt can be a voice, banningcan be a voice.
We want to share that and wewant to have these tough

(01:32:47):
conversations all across the way, and DTV is where we're getting
that started.
So, if you guys get the chanceand you want to support, just
log in, join, follow what we gotgoing on.
I think we got some excitingthings.
Matt, you pretty excited aboutthat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Yeah, I booked my first podcast sit-down in two
weeks, did you?
Nice, I got a studio andeverything.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Oh, look at you man.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
Right in the middle of the city.
I got Oscars as my first guest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Oh, really, I love it .
Hell, yeah, that's what I'mtalking about.
Okay, now, before we get tothat, let me get to some of
these questions, because I knowpeople have been asking uh, let
me get to this one, because he'spopped it up like eight times
scar.
It's policy to shave.
Why don't you shave?
Listen, it's not policy toshave.
Where I'm at, I'm allowed tohave a beard and I'm gonna have
a beard because I've never beenable to have one up until like

(01:33:33):
policy.
Yeah, they lifted that policymaybe three years ago, four
years ago, and I'm trying tolook my best yellowstone.
I can look, we wear cowboy hatswhere I'm at, so it's silly to
worry about those things I knownow, to be fair, I'm still in
the military, so once a year Ido have to shave for 24 days and
I look like you look soridiculous I do.
He's got his rad me so bad.

(01:33:57):
You look so harmless, good Ishould look harmless.
So let me see, sean, this one'sfor you, right?
Zilla says Sean, do you everplan to stop, or will you do
this as long as you can?

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
a very busy family life, personal life, um, you
know, I just take it day to dayand obviously I'm gonna do this
for as long as I can um, I don'tknow how long this is.
How long it.
It does take a lot out of me.
It's a lot of traveling, um,it's a lot of being by myself,
you know, and I miss my family.
I'm traveling around the wholecountry.
I've been from everywhere, fromhawaii, cal, new York, florida
and everywhere in between,louisiana, texas.

(01:34:52):
I haven't been to certain areasof Texas, but I've been to San
Antonio.
At the end of the day, I'mgoing to do it for as long as I
can.
I love doing what I do.
I love the excitement of it.
It's very exciting to be ableto educate people, but I might
eventually switch over to morelike a lackluster style where I
just, you know, review videos,help future auditors.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Um, that would be awesome, that'd be cool maybe do
some sort of training forauditors.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Uh, you know there's a lot of things I can work on.
I also would love to get intonot anytime soon, but I would
love to get into public service.
I would love to.
You know that my town here ishorrible, and maybe a town
supervisor, county executive,something like that utilize the
amount of support and namerecognition that I have in order

(01:35:39):
to help the people from insidethe government.
And you know, film, for example, film my entire day as a county
executive, as a town supervisor, where you could see, minute by
minute, hour by hour of myentire day, what I'm doing.
No other politician would everdo that.
No, you know they don't wantyou to see when they're just not
doing anything for hours ordays at a time.

(01:36:01):
I want to go there and say, hey, what do you guys do?
What do what does a townsupervisor do?
You know you get paid $150,000a year.
You know how are you making theresident's lives better.
I don't know he makes my lifebetter and I've gone to meetings
, I've talked to him.
I don't know what he does.
So maybe public service one day, hopefully.
And you gotta be the governorof New York.

(01:36:26):
Let me work my way up there.
I think that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
That'd be fun.
Super chat a $5 donation.
Thank you very much, said.
X-man said been watching yourvideos since I was 14.
Love the videos.
Keep it up, good work.
Talking about you, sean, theyain't talking about me, thank
you.
Yeah, we ain't been up thatlong.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Let me keep going down the line here.
Mag dump said two cops, onedonut panel.
What do you say to 12 monthAcademy and two weeks dedicated
to refresher training, everevery six months?
I'm not sure what refreshertraining we're talking about,
but I do think the longer anAcademy, the better.
Where I'm not sure whatrefresher training we're talking
about, um, but I do think thelonger an Academy, the better,
um, where I'm at it's abouteight months, um, and it's

(01:37:10):
that's a good Academy.
Could it be longer?
I think so.
Um, I'm a big fan the longer,the longer, and the more
training you get before you getout there, the better.
But you do have number problemsand that's where the battle
always begins.
How short handed are your copsversus how well trained do you
want them to be?

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
Yeah, and and and.
Here in Texas we have what'scalled the Texas commission on
law enforcement and education,tico, and it's out of Austin and
it's the the, the top dog on onmaking sure that we do
everything in the Academy, allthe basic stuff that we have
what's called continuingeducation and, at least when I
was in Texas, is one of thehigher.

(01:37:51):
What is it?
40 continuation hours, eric.
It's been a while since I've-.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Yeah, you got your 40 hours and then your legislative
updates.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Yeah, each two-year cycle that you have to do, and
there's a lot of states thatdon't have anywhere near that.
I'm not saying Texas is betterthan anybody.
Matter of fact, t Cole down inAustin was actually completely
redone with leadership in thepast couple of years and it's
visible.
I mean, there's a lot of greatfolks in that office right now
trying to make it better for thecitizens, and that's a good
step forward.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Yeah, you can never go wrong with longer training, I
really.
I mean as long as thetraining's good with longer
training, I really I mean aslong as the training's good you
don't, it's important.
It's gotta be effective, it'sgotta be good training.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, one of my favorite thingsthere's a scenario that we do um
at our Academy and it's uh, uh,it's um, a loud music party.
So we have a whole mock citywhere I'm at, like, we have

(01:38:39):
really good training.
So so this whole mock city andit's an apartment and it's like
a fake party is going on.
So you got a bunch of actorsand they're all cops, so they
know how to push your buttonsbecause they've seen other
people try to push our buttons.
So the thing that we'll do isthis is loud party going on, and
we make the recruits, therookies we're trying to see if
they're going to put their footin the door, try to stop the

(01:39:00):
person from shutting the door.
And I mean it's like a scaredstraight program.
If you pass awesome, good job,that's what you're supposed to
do Next.
If you put your foot in thedoor or you try to stop the door
, holy shit, it is like a sharkattack when drill instructors in
basic training are coming afteryou knife-handed, because we

(01:39:21):
want you to be so overwhelmedand understand how bad you just
messed up, that you justviolated somebody's rights
because you broke the thresholdof somebody's most sacred place,
their home, and I think that'san important thing to do and I
think you need to have thatshock value and go through every
amendment except the thirdamendment, because that I mean

(01:39:43):
you're trying to order in yourhouse.
Um, I mean, you never know.
I guess you know, be fresh upat it, but um, yeah, that's all
my beef with the training is notenough.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
About the constitution, right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
what do they do, man?
They block train it was.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Do they not teach you guys about raz in the academy?
I feel like no one knows whatthat means.
Like I'm like hey, you know,you need reasonable, articulable
suspicion of a crime.
And they're like what's that?
And I'm like what it seems likereasonable, articulable
suspicion should be the bedrockof any law enforcement officer's
career, because it reallydictates what you can do.

(01:40:20):
Like it dictates how you'regoing to move forward with this
call.
You guys get calls all the time.
Hey, this person's over herewalking around my parking lot
and you go and you interact withthis person and you need to
understand that.
And I feel like a lot ofofficers that I've come in
contact with across the countrydon't understand what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
I'm about to go off on a tangent, so buckle up real
quick.
I've done this one before, butI want to do it for your
audience as well, okay, sohere's something to consider Now
.
I've been an academy instructorand I've gotten to train across
the nation and see all thesedifferent types of training that
people do, and a lot of timeswhat I'm seeing is block
training, and that's what I wasjust about to talk with with

(01:40:59):
Matt.
The best academy style I'veseen is a progressive training.
You start out with the mostbasic stuff and it builds up,
and it builds up and it buildsup for that whole eight months
until you're taking the mostcomplicated of calls, but it's
still applying everything youlearned at the beginning.
What block training often doesis, let's say, we're going over
the Constitution for the firsttwo weeks.

(01:41:20):
We don't touch the Constitutionagain the entire academy until
you take your test.
We don't touch the constitutionagain the entire academy until
you take your test.
We don't touch um controltactics.
You do it for you dohandcuffing and searching for
two weeks and then you don'ttouch it again.
That's block training.
And then you've got thedifference in academy time.
Like I told you guys, where I'mat it's about eight months, but

(01:41:42):
there's other academies thatare four months and there's
other academies besides that aresix weeks, because they let a
military idiot get in there thatthinks that he knows how to be
a cop because he was a militarycop.
So he lateral transfers anduses his creds and now he knows
how to be a cop.
And that is what that, thatJoffrey fuck did.
I think like a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
I think that's what you're doing.
That seems like a problem, likea problem.
I think that's what you're offdoing.
That seems like a problem,because how can you just again
not in the military, not a cop?
But I would think that thoseare completely different jobs.
Like you're dealing with themilitary and versus yes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Yes, that's part of my problem.
Now I I can say this shitbecause I'm bald, excuse me, and
it pisses.
It pisses off military copsthat want to go out and be a
civilian cop and and I'm tellingthem you're not ready.
You're not ready, you're notready to be a cop.
You need to go through a fullacademy.
And they don't like thatbecause they think, because
they're a cop on the base, thatthey know how to do this stuff

(01:42:36):
and they don't.
And so this is my problem withthe academies.
When we get into, what you'retalking about, sean, is you have
these people that they get thisblock training, they get RAS
training, let's say, and thenthey go into a city where
they've got 10, 20 cops at most.
What's the worst crime that yousee in a city of 10 to 20 cops?
Speeding, and then all of asudden, a guy like Sean shows up

(01:42:58):
, or just anybody, regular oldJoe that actually is maybe
borderline committing a crime.
Whatever it is.
They don't know how to handleit because they haven't touched
it since the academy and ithasn't happened around them in
the last two years.
That's where you get all thesetiktok cops.
They have the time to filmthemselves doing bullshit and
then when a real crime happensin front of them, they can't

(01:43:20):
handle it, because if you don'tuse it, you'll lose it.
Sean, do you agree with that?
I think if you get basictraining in something and you
don't touch it again, it's aperishable skill.

Speaker 6 (01:43:31):
It's got to be ongoing and ongoing and ongoing.
And if your department is notoffering that, you better be
doing it on your frigging own.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Yeah, I think that's a good point is that there's a
lot of times where it's your joband, whether they're offering
it or not, it's up to you tomake sure that you're educated
on the law.
I mean, if I was a guy, I wouldwant to be educated on at least
the basic law.
It's not that hard, I mean.
It's not that hard tounderstand reasonable,
articulable suspicion of a crime.
It's not a crazy concept to getyour head around and wrap your

(01:44:02):
mind around.
It's a pretty easy concept, atleast to me, and it's one that
you'd probably use on on a call,any call that you have like do
I have reason of articlesuspicion?
This person is going to commita crime, has committed a crime,
um, or is about to commit acrime, right, so it?
I don't really I don'tunderstand.
It seems like a a real bigproblem in law enforcement.

(01:44:22):
I was like you know, hey, he,hey, he's like, give me your ID
when a police.
A lot of times they'll say youknow, when a police officer asks
for your ID, you have to givehim your ID.
I'm like, but who taught youthat?
Like, who gave you thatinformation that just because
you have a badge, you can justask people for their ID or
demand, not ask.
Because you can ask, right, youcan ask anybody for their ID.
But to demand someone's ID justbecause you're a cop, no, no,

(01:44:46):
no no, no, because they werecalled there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Right, we got a call.
We got a call.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
You get the same ID Right.
That's not the way it works.
And a lot of these agenciesfrom everywhere I've been and
I've seen a bunch of differentagencies over the last four
years, from small town cops tolarge agencies like the NYPD or
LAPD, and they all have similaractions and knowledge of like,

(01:45:14):
hey, give me your ID.
And I don't even understand whatthe crazy obsession is with ID.
Like that would be, like maybesomething I would get at the end
of me talking to you, not atvery beginning.
And they always say, like, well, I need to know who I'm talking
to.
Well, I mean, do you does,looking at my id, tell you who
you're talking to?
It tells you a name, a date ofbirth and you know, yeah, you

(01:45:36):
could run me for warrants orwhatever, I guess.
But you know, just because Idon't have warrants doesn't mean
I'm not a danger to you.
I could be a completepsychopath without warrants.
How many times do schoolshooters all the worst people
you've ever seen have a cleanrecord and there's nothing wrong
and they just go out and theycommit heinous crimes?
Your ID doesn't tell you whothat person is as a person.

(01:45:58):
Talking to them would do a lotbetter, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Having a dialogue when you said that I got chills
because you know that sexy baldman sitting in the corner right
there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
That's a Matt statement right there, I love
the line on a lot of things, manhe's a good dude man, I love
Matt, I love what he does.
I do, too, I want to promote hisyou know, the, the uh, my
father's business and what he hedoes so much good work in his
community.
Man, I would love to come out.
I told you, matt, told you onthe phone the other day, I would
love to come out and meet thekids that you got, that you work
with.

(01:46:30):
I'd love to hang out with youguys get pizza, I don't know,
whatever it is, I, I, I want tobe a part of it.
Man, you know, from the momentI met you, I thought you were
doing great work over there.
You know, because that'sbecause you're trying to change
something.
It's more than just.
You know, not only using yourplatform on, you know, tiktok,
youtube, everywhere you are,instagram to, you know, bring

(01:46:51):
awareness of these sort ofissues in law enforcement, but
you're actually out there inyour city, man.
You love your city, you loveyour community, man, and there's
nothing better than that to me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Like you know, by example, god bless, yeah, lead
by example.
And that and that is what weare trying to do here is lead by
example.
What's funny, sean, you did thelittle backstory between matt
and I is his people that followhim and my people that follow me
.
We're constantly like on theyoutube channel.
I'm like you got to talk tomatt thornton, you got to talk
to matt thornton.
His guys were like you talk tolevine, you got to talk to
levine.
And finally we kind of like youand I on the phone call me and
Matt ended up hitting it off andtalking for quite a long time

(01:47:27):
and then we talked again andthen me and Matt were both doing
research on each other behindthe scenes, trying to figure out
like, is this guy full of shit?
Is he nuts?
Like what's the deal?
And here we are.

Speaker 9 (01:47:38):
You know who I called Izzo.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Oh Dominic, yeah, dominic, izzo, oh Dominic.
Dominic is the top of Izzo.
Guys, make sure you guys payattention to Izzo.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
I've been on his channel before.
Yeah, oh yeah, Sean was onIzzo's.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
I've been on his channel before.
We had a good conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
He's out there saying shit.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
I'm the other guy I got to bring on the channel.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
I like you know he's definitely different.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
He's like hilarious to me, he's like you say things
that I can't say, but I want tosay Thank you and I hope
everybody understands thatthere's just limited things that
we can say on certain things.
One day when we're retired wecan amp it up, but right now we
got families.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
I'm trying to get fired, Eric, I know right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
I know.
But us being in the industry,this is how we affect change,
because we're still in it.
So I can still like all this.
I can tell you I've become 10times the cop I ever was, simply
by starting this show, becauseI listen to the feedback and I
take that A lot of my roll calltraining is stuff that we've
discussed on the show and I'mlike listen, guys, this is the
things that you need to payattention to.

(01:48:46):
So dead leg yeah, dead leg isone of the guys behind the scene
.
He's no longer a cop, so hecan't get fired either.
There he goes.
Let's go to the comments.
Mr Billfold said how difficultis it to understand how
trespassing works?
Fourth grade social studies ismore complicated, yet many cops
are clueless when enforcing it.
Yeah, yeah, we hit on thecommon misconceptions with

(01:49:11):
trespass.
Um, we had a super chat from nosheep designs.
I like that.
Uh, ten dollar donation firstoff.
Thank you very much.
Um said this crew needs tostart training departments
across the country.
If those bozos on street coptraining can make a ton of money
doing it, you can too.
Flix Flux said I totally get it.
I'm retired and the knowledgeis open source.

(01:49:32):
Now my knowledge is open source.
I love it.
Let me keep going through thecomments.
I just want to make sure thepeople that want to talk to you,
sean, are getting theirquestions in, because you graced
us with your presence tonight.
Sir, I like this one Hard tofix a broken system, guys.
Sorry, that's why you still runinto problems.
So it's obviously better tojust capture the ignorance.

(01:49:53):
Agreed, but as I've saidrepeatedly on this show, I'm an
optimist to a fault.
So I don't care if it's anuphill battle, I don't care how
hard it seems.
I'm going to keep doing themission.
I'm going to keep trying tohelp, even if you guys tell me
you know I'm a wave crashingagainst the rock.
I'm going to keep wearing therock down.

(01:50:14):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
What keeps you going is and I remember going on
Sean's show and I got so muchclap back from cops and, oh my
gosh, I couldn't even begin totell you how much I took for
that um but at the same time Iget inboxed from so many young
officers that, hey, I just gothired, I want to.
I want to do exactly police,exactly how you do.
I want your attitude.
So you got to celebrate thosewins and it's uh, that's what

(01:50:39):
keeps you going yeah, I totallyagree, matt.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
You know I get a lot of good messages from cops, from
just regular people who arelearning, and you know that.
You know, hey, you know you'vehelped me.
You know you helped me on mylunch break.
You know you helped me.
I went through a bad week thisweek and just watching your
videos, it was it really knowingthat you're doing something
productive and you're helpingpeople out there whether it's

(01:51:05):
law enforcement or just thegeneral public and you're doing
something that's going to helpsociety and the community.
Really help go on, because Iget a lot of hate as well from
different people across thecountry, from cops, former cops
and just regular what I callbootlickers.
A bootlicker is not somebodywho supports police.

(01:51:26):
I guess it's okay when I saythat word too.
A bootlicker is somebody whosupports the police, no matter
what.
That's what makes you abootlicker, and it's not just
police.
You could be a governmentsupporter.
Again, I don't talk aboutpolitics.
What I believe is that and I'lljust say this quickly is that
what I believe.

(01:51:46):
It's not left and right, it'sup and down and it's about
economic status.
It's not about your politicalaffiliation, it's about dividing
.
We, the people, and keeping usdivided so that way, because
united we're strong we need tocome together, we need to come
together and united we're strong.
And the people who are in powerknow this and that's why they

(01:52:08):
want to keep us fighting witheach other about these stupid
issues.
That we could find commonground on a like law enforcement
you know I I'm a back the blueperson, you know I'm an ACAB
person no, let's meet in themiddle somewhere, like, let's
meet in the middle.
How about fighting, find somecommon ground and actually get

(01:52:31):
some things done in lawenforcement?
Because we're too busy fightingand these problems keep
persisting and there is noaccountability in law
enforcement.
I think all the, I think a lotof this will be cleared up,
because ego is going to beeverywhere.
People are going to be poorlytrained everywhere.
I think if just we hadaccountability across the board,
a lot of these departmentswould would straighten up If you

(01:52:53):
broke the law, federal law,violating somebody's rights.
If you violate someone's rightsand you're immediately fired no
ifs ands or buts, like it'sclear cut.
You violated somebody's rights,hey, we got to let you go.
If a Walmart employee yells atme when I'm going to buy my
groceries and I'm shopping atWalmart, they're going to be
fired.
It doesn't matter if they had abad, they're not going to tell

(01:53:13):
their manager hey, I had a badday today.
Well, I'm sorry about that, butyou can't talk to customers
that way.
You're fired.
And when Walmart and McDonald'sand these entry-level jobs have
higher standards than lawenforcement, who have the
authority to uphold the law?
That's a problem.
That's a problem.
We need high standards, not lowstandards.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Yes, absolutely, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
I'm getting tired over here guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Sorry about that, you guys, I don't go this far
normally Hard to stop dude whenthe conversation is great.

Speaker 8 (01:53:42):
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
You got lots of cool comments, like this one
Billboard Nerds.
He said, Sean, when are youcoming to Vegas?

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
I want to see how officers respond and handle it
out here.
Compared to the smaller cities.
I've been to Vegas.
I didn't go to Vegas for work,though.
I went to Vegas with my wifefor her 30th birthday and I
promised myself I wouldn't work,so I did not do anything.
I saw there's a lot of policeactivity over there, but I did
not engage in any auditingactivities in Vegas.

(01:54:15):
But I have been there, but Iplan on going back.
You know I'll be everywhere atleast twice.
I want to go everywhere, fromAlaska everywhere.
I've been to Hawaii.
That was a really cool trip.
People in Hawaii are great.
I've been at a military base inHawaii where the guy was like
hey, I watch your videos.
Again, when I run into peoplewho have seen my videos, that

(01:54:39):
really like it's like wow,that's pretty cool, like because
even till you know you wouldthink that I'd be used to it by
now, but you know, with theamount of support I have and
subscribers, but till this day,like somebody comes up to me
like, hey, can I get a picturewith you?
I'm like that's really cool.
I was at a live stream at acorrectional facility.
I was doing a lot.
It was live and this guy pulledup I'm in the middle of nowhere
, upstate new york.
These correctional facilities,like are the economy for these
little small towns, like that'show it works.

(01:55:00):
Like these towns wouldn't existif this correctional facility
didn't exist.
And this guy did not mean theparking lot was we, the people
had.
And he's like hey, can you signmy hat?
And I'm like, oh, he's like Iwas watching your live stream.
I saw you were down here.
I wanted to come down here andand it's cool, it's cool to see.
And it still, to this day,surprises me.
I mean, I went to puerto ricoon vacation too, and I'm at the
rental car place.

(01:55:21):
My son, my 11 year old son'slike hey, dad, do you think
anybody's gonna recognize him?
Like, nah, I don't think so.
I'm like, you know, I'm justgonna keep a low key.
And he's like, as soon as we goout of the airport to the
rental car agency is like hey,what's up?

Speaker 8 (01:55:31):
long I went on it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
I love it if you see me in public, don't be shy.
I love taking pictures, I lovehanging out like have a
conversation, it's fine no bigdeal.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Yeah, listen, see, this is the type of shit that I
love.
This is why I do what I do.
We've got number for two months, level six uh donut says I feel
under trained by my policedepartment um, only four months
long.
Thank you, guys, for doing whaty'all do Like that's that makes
what we do worth it, rightthere, because if they took
something from this conversationwe had.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
If one person learned something from me, if one law
enforcement officer said youknow what, let's you know I
think I could.
I can control my emotions.
I got to get my ego in check.
Maybe I do again.
Self-reflection isn't a problem, guys.
Like you know, I do it all thetime.
I reflect on things that I'mdoing wrong in my personal life,
that I'm doing wrong.
I've made plenty of baddecisions in my life.

(01:56:20):
It's how you recover from thosedecisions.
We don't no one's perfect, youknow.
We need to acknowledge ourmistakes and fix them critically
, think about them and moveforward.
No one's going to hold itagainst you unless you do
something crazy, you know.
Just do the right thing, movingforward.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that we need to
pay attention to.
That triggers ego and I justwant to put this out there again
.
This is part of the class thatwe put on for our rookies and
recruits, is that?
A lot of times, the trigger forego is unmet expectations.
Think about that, unmetexpectations.
Think about that, unmetexpectations.

(01:56:58):
I asked Sean for his ID and he'slike what do I need to give you
my ID for?
What am I used to?
When I ask for ID, I get it.
He gives me an unmetexpectation and I got to check
my ego right there.
It's a natural human reactionwhen you get an unmet
expectation for that triggeredresponse.
And once you are educated on itand you don't have an excuse

(01:57:20):
now, if you're listening to this, I just told you, unmet
expectations trigger ego.
It's a natural human reaction.
So now that you know that,understand why did I just get
mad all of a sudden?
Oh shit, I expected him to giveme the id and he didn't.
Now I need to understand why hedidn't give me that.
Oh, I don't have raz.
I don't have a reason to id him.

(01:57:41):
Okay, that makes sense.
Now I understand why he saidwhat he said to me because I
overstepped.
I asked.
He said no, cool like this Ican ask.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
But he said no, you go out of the way and then a lot
of times they don't know whereto go from there.
They're like wait what you know.
They go, wait a minute.
This is my script.
I get there, I say hey, let'sget your IDs.
And then they get the IDs and Irun the IDs and they said no,
and I don't have reasonable,particular suspicion of a crime.
So it's like they get in anuncomfortable position.

(01:58:11):
I can, I'm trying to put myselfin the shoes of the person
right Of the law enforcement.
I'm like hey, what do I do now?
They said no, and I can't forcethem.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
This is a good question for you.
Bryant Bush spent five bucks inthe super chat.
Thank you, bryant, but thisone's for you, sean.
He said there are new videosevery day of bad behavior,
making it seem like nothing haschanged.
Have you seen improvement sinceyou started your activism?

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
I think I have, I think I have seen improvement
from and it's crazy because Ithink that it's it's a lot of
these smaller auditor channelsand you know these activists out
there that they're they'redoing what they're what they're
doing and I don't criticizeanybody.
You have a first amendmentright to curse at the police.
You have a first amendmentright to call it cops, pigs.
That's your right.

(01:58:57):
Who am I to say that you don'thave that right?
That I don't think it's aproductive use of your language
as a difference of whether Ithink that it's productive to
you know, solving the problembut I fully support your right
to curse out the police and useprofanity and do that.
That's fine.
You can do it all day long andit's up to law enforcement to
understand that.
And again, if you don't wantpeople calling you pigs and do

(01:59:19):
it, you could have chose a jobbeing a paramedic, like you knew
what you were doing, like let'snot, let's not kid ourselves
here.
You knew that people don't likethe police.
Um, you know, when you tookthat job, if you wanted people
to love, you could have been afirefighter.
Everybody loves a firefighter,right?
So you know, fuck off, you'regonna face criticism.

(01:59:39):
You gotta learn how to dealwith that criticism.
You you got to.
So, yeah, you know, I Idefinitely have seen a lot.
I, I've seen it across thecountry.
I've seen it.
You know, I've gone tomississippi or somewhere else
and there were somebody wherethey wouldn't even know about
these things.
Like, oh, I've seen thesevideos before and you know, it
kind of takes away from it my,you know, I should say my
popularity kind of takes awayfrom it a little bit, because

(02:00:02):
it'd be like I recognize thatvoice, I recognize you, like I
know who you are.
You're Long Island audit.
I behave a little bitdifferently, yeah, and it's not.
I don't want somebody to changetheir behavior because of who I
am.
I want them to change theirbehavior because it's lawful,
it's the right thing to do andit's lawful, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Lazar photography said.
Much love, sean from Utica, newYork.
You set the bar for howauditors should be and act.
Love your content.
Thank you, appreciate it.
Did you like that?
John Griggs did five bucks on asuper chat X cop.
Here.
It's not a training issue ormore training, it's qualified

(02:00:40):
immunity and bad cops keepingtheir retirement.
That will change things.
Matt.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
Amen, because consequences, right Consequences
for your actions is what's andthe crazy part is, that's what
law enforcement is all about.
You're holding peopleaccountable for their actions,
yet you're not held accountablefor your actions most of the
time.
Again, nuance, the word of theday, nuance.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
I like it.
Let's see, we had another sheep.
No Sheep's Design.
Said this crew needs to starttraining departments across
country.
If the oh, we already spreadthat one.
Oh, we see that.
Oh, yeah, that one popped up.
He got bonus right there.
Um, blade runner toolsharpening before and after.
That is a long name, brother.
I love it.
He said they make 50 to mostly200 000 a year.

(02:01:29):
They can't spend an hour a weekto educate themselves about
their job.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
You don't even read a book, just watch two cops, one
donut watch.
Watch matt thornton you know,watch on shorts.

Speaker 4 (02:01:40):
That's what I was gonna say watch on shorts.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
Yep, yeah just hang out on there, you know hey man.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
This is.
This is what I'm talking about,sean.
It's hard to say no because yougot.
Don't stop, keep going, guyslike we got 2 000 people still
logged on.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
I get it.
I'm losing my voice here guys.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
I got to run the second tier.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
I love everybody here , Okay, before we go, let's do
one more.
All the way through, we won'tstop it, but let's do one more
of Sean's videos.
Because it's him baby, I wantto show him off.
It's just a short, it's not oneof the full, full videos.
Um, let's not do.
Let's do this guy.
He looks.
This looks like a good one.
So let's see, sean can rest hisvoice.

(02:02:22):
Sure, um, okay, that's about asbig as it's going to be.
So I have not seen this one.
This doesn't this?
This doesn't look familiar tome, so this is a blind reaction
when I watch it, and let'sunmute it and play, you guys,
for what?

Speaker 7 (02:02:42):
oh, we could talk right here, right?
Why would that be?
Can I get any of the badge?
Numbers please but why would Ineed to step out there?

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Are you conducting business in here?

Speaker 7 (02:02:55):
Yeah, for sure.
I would ask that youde-escalate and identify
yourselves, please.
I would just you know,respectfully, because I don't
like the way that, sorry, sorrysir.
What business are youconducting here, ma'am?
What business of that is yours,of yours, to be honest with you
, and you're not evenidentifying yourself to me as a
law enforcement officer.
My vest identifies who I am.

(02:03:17):
My name tag identifies who I am.
I don't know how to pronouncethat, so we got a call.

Speaker 8 (02:03:21):
That's fine.
You don't have to know how topronounce it.
We got a call.

Speaker 7 (02:03:24):
I mean, I would like to that you were in here.
We got a call and you needed tobe removed.
Okay, and that's what you'retrying to do, correct?
Well, I was just trying to talkto you.
No, you're trying to order meto leave.
No, I said can you step out here, and I politely refused and I
said we could talk right here.
Okay, we could lower our voicesand not interrupt any business.
So what business do you havehere?

(02:03:45):
Oh, I'm an independentjournalist.
Okay, I'm taking some picturesand video.
Okay, that's what I'm doing.
Can I get your badge number oranything?
G704 is my badge number andyour name, sir, and badge number
.
I'm Lieutenant Jones, 640.
Lieutenant Jones.
Thank you, lieutenant, Iappreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
So what do you need?

Speaker 7 (02:04:06):
I don't need anything .
I didn't call you sir.
Well, if you don't needanything, you need to leave the
building.
Then what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
Well, if you're not here to conduct business, you
need to leave.

Speaker 7 (02:04:12):
I am conducting business, sir.
I'm conducting constitutionallyprotected business, sir.
Okay, did you take enough touphold the constitution, sir?
Hey, how are you?

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Boom.
That's the end of that one.
So I wrote down notes on thisone, because I'm already ready
to go off.

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
So, Sean, can you give us a little background on
where you're at and what you'redoing?
I don't remember exactly whereI'm at in this video.
It looks like a DMV.
No, it's a.
Yes, it is a DMV.
I don't know where, whereexactly it was, but some of the
cops there knew who I was too.
But I got to say this Femaleofficers tend to come out and be
more aggressive than maleofficers.
From my own personal experience, they seem they tend to come

(02:04:59):
out and be more aggressive thanmale officers.
From my own personal experience, they seem they tend to be more
aggressive and like just moreassertive, and maybe they're
trying to like you know, I don'tknow.
But that's what I takeOvercompensate, right, that's
what I'm looking for.
But, yeah, no, I was in apublic lobby of like a DMV or
whatever, and you know she'slike let's talk outside or
whatever, and I didn't want to.
Again, I try not to, not, Idon't even want to talk, like I
don't want to talk.
I don't want to.
I just want to continue whatI'm doing.
I'll tell you what I'm doing,but do you see how their energy

(02:05:21):
and their their, the way thatthey come off at first, is how
it's going to.
That's how it always dictateswhat I'm going to do.
Hey, sir, how are you?
My name is Officer So-and-so.
Hey, my name is Sean.
I'm an independent journalist.
I'm just here recording, I'mtaking pictures.
It's not a big deal, I'm notdoing anything, but then I don't
want to answer any questions.
If you're not, why should Ianswer your questions?

(02:05:42):
I have a right not to answeryour questions.
There's a difference, right?
It's a power dynamic that Ihave a right, a constitutional
right, not to answer any of yourquestions whatsoever.
I don't have to talk to youwhatsoever.
I could just be there and besilent.
There's people who do silentaudits, um, and I don't have to
talk to you.
So just me talking to you is mebeing cooperative in a way.
So she just that's that oneended with them walking away and

(02:06:07):
doing nothing.
Um, there were some people inthere that knew who I was, and
they ended up.
Not, I'm not doing anythingabout it, but yeah now.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
So part of my problem .
So, first off, I just from thepolice side of things and matt
and uh, banning you can, you canchime in on this too, but name
and badge number, like that is athat that's automatic right
away.
Just give it to them.
If you, if your goal is tode-escalate, one of the best
things you can do is giveinformation.
Why am I being pulled over?

(02:06:38):
Oh, sorry, the reason I pulledyou over is because you were
doing 75 and a 25.
Okay, cool, now a little bit ofinformation has been shared.
That's really what it comesdown to most of the time, and,
just like in this, when you askfor a name and badge number,
that isn't up that you're apublic servant like that I hate
it on traffic stops, whenofficers I gotta tell you I hate

(02:06:59):
it on traffic stops videos andthey're like give me your, I'll
tell you in a minute.

Speaker 3 (02:07:04):
Yeah, I'll tell you why I pulled you over in a
minute.
Yeah, like you're just askingfor problems like whether or not
you have to tell somebodyexactly why you pulled them over
is irrelevant, Like you shouldjust tell somebody hey, you got
a broken taillight.
Hey, I got you doing a 55 and a45, whatever it is, just tell
them quickly.
There's no, I'll tell you in aminute after you give me your
license.

(02:07:25):
I hate it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
That's a great call.
I hate that man.
I'm the part of the train thatI don't understand that.
We have a guy on here prettyregularly Fridays with Frank.
That's how he does it.
Yeah, that's him.
Yes, he does that a lot.
Yes, he does that a lot.
He loves doing that and I toldhim straight up I'm like, oh,
I'm like, and his thing is,that's how he was trained and

(02:07:47):
it's a way to make sure that ifthe person runs, you've got
their ID or whatever, likewhatever person runs, you've got
their id or whatever, likewhatever excuse they want to
come up with.
But I'm just like, I don'tagree with that one.
I don't like that.
I just it just sets the badtone.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
Yes, I'm familiar with his videos.
It just sets a bad tone fromthe straight, like, hey, why?
That's the first questionanybody has when they get pulled
over.
Why did you pull me over?
I mean, you know most of thetime, you know, but you know,
why'd you pull me over?
I pulled you over over.
Hey, my name is deputy,whatever I am and then I seen a
video one time of that guy.
He was like you know, why areyou recording Again?

(02:08:19):
Another question that I don'tlike why are you questioning
somebody's constitutional rightIf you know somebody?
And it's even crazier comingfrom that guy because he's
literally recording I'll giveFrank credit.

(02:08:40):
Like he's big on, like, yeah,get your camera out, my cameras
are here too.
Right, he records everything hedoes.
I'm not saying I have a problemwith that guy at all.
I don't have any problem withanybody.
Again, we can havedisagreements on certain things
and we can have debates oncertain things no one's perfect.
But I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
I think it's a bad way to starta Get him Matt.

Speaker 4 (02:08:55):
Matt, you're taking this person's freedom
temporarily.
You tell him why, right off thebat.
Yeah, that's, I don't like anyother argument.
I don't care about anythingelse.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Yeah, Currently California is the only state
that that's law.

Speaker 4 (02:09:08):
Right, it should be nationwide.

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
It should be national .

Speaker 6 (02:09:12):
I, it should be nationwide.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
It should be national .
I try to educate every time wecan.
The only state that ismandatory for the officers to
tell you what the offense iswhen they pull you over on a
traffic stop is California.
Now there's a caveat to that.
If they run your plate andyou're wanted for a violent
warrant, if they find a trafficoffense to pull you over so
often, this is what cops will do.
You'll have a violent warranthit, let's say.

(02:09:34):
Let's say you're wanted foraggravated assault.
Whatever it is on your licenseplate, officers will still look
for a traffic offense as well topull you over.
So if you were speeding Now,they may pull you over for that
speeding and tell you theypulled you over for that, but
they're not going to disclosethat they pulled you over for a
violent warrant until they haveyou out of the car and probably
got you in cuffs, because moreoften than not, people wanted

(02:09:57):
for violent officers are goingto fight back.
So I get that.
I understand that purpose.
Go ahead Banning.

Speaker 6 (02:10:05):
Let's talk about the video we just watched with Sean
yeah, yeah, we haven't evengotten into it yet Just for the
law enforcement officers thatare watching and I know there's
a lot of watching here andhopefully, to learn as soon as
you walk into a situation likethis.
You've been called Okay, you'vebeen called to a location of a
person doing this, this and this, and you can walk in there as a
peace officer.

(02:10:25):
Walk in, yep, okay, I got a guythere holding the cameras, got
a camera attached.
Okay, he's not breaking the law.
Go find your call taker.
What am I here for?
What can I help you with?
Yes, yes, period.
You go.
Well, this guy's doing this andyou turn back around and you
add you take that time rightthere to educate that call taker
.
This gentleman is not breakingthe law.

(02:10:46):
Well, blah, blah, blah.
You know what You're.
You're creating the scene now.
So let's step you out ofprivacy, because now you are
infringing by calling me here asthat law enforcement officer,
period.
We have got to take that as apeace officer across the nation
as an educational purpose.
When people like Sean are outthere doing this, the ones that

(02:11:07):
are trained correctly need to beable to take that opportunity
to train the call taker.
Hey, he's not breaking the law.
He can stand there from thetime the door is open to the
public till the time the door'sclosed.
If he wants to stand there andfilm everybody.
There may be people who come inand don't understand why.
Guess what?
As that former call takergetting educated?
Now educate the general public.

(02:11:27):
If you don't want to be filmed,go back to your fourth
amendment protected home.
Shut your frigging blinds andsit in there to where no cameras
can see it.
Yep, there it is.
If you're out in public, if youcan be seen by the human eye,
you may be recorded, and there'ssome cities around here that
have six, seven thousand camerasout there.
You're gonna be.
You gotta go to the grocerystore.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
You're gonna be on camera yep, I got a good video
for that.
We'll show after we talkbecause I want sean to.
I want to discuss his videohere a little bit more.
Um, sean, one of the thingsthat I love that you pointed out
was she, uh, wanted to knowyour business.
All right, and you, right away,my business and none of your
business.
And I was like, right shit.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
I mean, and she the way she came out and she says I
was called here to remove you,right, she's saying.
She's already saying that, it'salready telling me from
Drumstreet that she's trying toremove me from the building.
She's trying to violate myrights.
She's not again, they haven'teven talked to anybody there.
I totally agree with Banning.
I think that's perfect.
Go talk to whoever called you,because you didn't get any

(02:12:30):
context, I'm sure.
Go talk to whoever called youand try and figure out exactly
what it is this person is doingbefore you even interact with
the person, because maybe he isbreaking the law, maybe he is I
don't know committing adisorderly conduct for whatever
state.
That disorderly conduct can bewhatever, but the point is that
find out exactly what's going onfirst and then deal with it

(02:12:52):
from there.
I think that's great advice.
I think it would save a cops alot of embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
A lot of time.
Yeah, I don't even feel this.

Speaker 4 (02:12:59):
This actually happened to me a couple of
months ago.
Lady flags me down and say, oh,she was recording and I said
that's legal and so I didn'teven bother addressing the
person with the camera.
There's no need to there's.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
You don't need to make a contact.
Why address?

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
I don't even know how bad I would be if I got called
and Sean was there and be likehold on a second.
What do you want?
I need a lot to do that Now.
I got to wait for Sean to leaveso I can go make contact with.
Sean later and be like bro,you're awesome.

Speaker 6 (02:13:29):
Bottom line to this is I understand dispatchers have
a policy in place.
We received a call.
Now they input it into what'scalled computer-aided dispatch,
that is, dispatch to an officer.
But the policies also need toallow the police department and
dispatch to say I can call thisperson that called 911 or the
non-emergency and get a littlebit more information as the

(02:13:52):
peace officer who hasjurisdiction there, because you
may not even need to make scene.
If there's no reason to makescene, why use the tax dollars
to go park there, go inside andwaste 20 to 30 minutes when you
can be that peace officer, callthe freaking phone number of the
complainant and educate them,because if they're just in their
recording, let's have a littleeducation over the phone.

(02:14:13):
If you'd like to talk about itmore, swing on down to your
local police department at agood time for you and we'll
explain it to you more Right.

Speaker 3 (02:14:20):
We'll help you do some more.
You know you say peace officerand it reminds me of I love
using Matt always talks aboutthis and I've used this in my
trainings, I've used this in myaudits a professional peacemaker
and I love that man.
I just got to bring that upbecause I use that all the time
and I use it and I give youcredit for it.
It is that's what you are andit it's.

(02:14:41):
It's beautiful really, when you, when you, you know, keep the
peace, like just keep it atleast, like you don't want use
your discretion, you can useyour discretion, you can do
those things you can, becausehow many, many times have cops
used discretion for other cops?
Right, I mean, you do, right,it just is what it is Like.
You know it's happened, so useit for the public.

Speaker 1 (02:14:59):
This is not a topic of a deal, and this is not a
Sean video, at least, I don'tthink it is, we find so this one
was sent in to us I ended upmaking a video of.
More often than not and, sean,maybe you can talk to this a
little bit the citizens try touse the police as a vessel to
take care of what they think isagainst the law, and so I'm

(02:15:22):
going to play this one and letyou guys see.
I know the last one, last one,I promise.

Speaker 9 (02:15:31):
What things?
The things that I'm working on.

Speaker 8 (02:15:33):
What things is that?
I can't see nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:15:35):
Yes, you can you're zooming in on a legal office.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
You zoomed in on me.
I asked you to stop now he'shere oh no, not him.
Who's he?

Speaker 8 (02:15:42):
everything all right oh yeah, I'm good I found him, I
walked over there to ask thequestion.
He was zooming out and then Iasked him to take me off camera
and he wouldn't myself righthere.

Speaker 4 (02:15:49):
I don't want him to be in on things that I'm working
on.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
So here's the thing I just he's in public.
He's allowed to report anythingthat's in view of the public.
Yes, ma'am, I asked him to turnit off from you.

Speaker 8 (02:15:59):
If you're in public, he's not going to record you as
well.
Thank you, sir.
Yes, a law firm is in public,it's in view of the public.

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
Yes, so anything that's like saying that I'm not
allowed to look in the windowsright right so anything that's
in walked all the way across thestreet to come to me.

Speaker 6 (02:16:13):
I didn't harass you.
I was walking down the street,so he's like he's kind of
following me, because I wasthere.

Speaker 9 (02:16:17):
I don't think that's the case no, because he was over
here before you I was overthere, I walked over here.

Speaker 8 (02:16:21):
Now she follows me over here.
Here's the deal.
Okay, he's allowed to record.
He's in public.
He's allowed to be on publicsidewalks.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
Yeah, there's nothing .
I know you don't right, justlike how you can pull out your
phone and record it, but I'm not.

Speaker 8 (02:16:32):
You could, but you can't.
It's your right.
Let me ask you it's your right?
How do you pronounce it, kaiser?
Kaiser, nice, first shout outto Kaiser.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
Kaiser subscribes to Long Island Audit.
I promise you that yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:16:45):
Shout out to Kaiser If he so I that's what I wanted
to point out.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
So what banning was saying and what we were talking
about.
That is how it should behandled.
Every time where we take thetime, you don't even talk to the
guy.
Yeah, educate every time.

Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
That is how you talk to the guy, you know, and I
think it's I, I hate it whencitizens will use just regular
members of the public, will uselaw enforcement.
They try and say, you know,even when I was at the
correctional facility, he's like, well, I'm gonna call new york
state police.
And I was like okay, like the,the guys that swore it off to
uphold my rights, like am Isupposed to be scared?

(02:17:21):
Like they say these things,like public servants or just
members of the public will say,like we're gonna call the police
on you.
And it's like, okay, like I'mnot scared of the police.
Like what do you like?
Why would you use using thepolice as some sort of threat
against me for what?
Like, like I, like I'm supposedto be scared.
Like okay, call them, I'll havea conversation with them.
It's not a big deal.
But they want to use the policeto enforce their feelings and,

(02:17:44):
sadly enough, police willenforce people's feelings.
Sometimes, you know, she doesn'tfeel comfortable.
I've seen it all the time, youknow.
But this guy did great.
He's like man, you know.
It is what it is.
You don't have to like it, youknow.
I don't think that's the case.
He's following me.
I don't think that's the case.
Yeah, I love it yeah he wasquick, just boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom shot behighlighted.

(02:18:06):
I'm glad that you highlightedthat video.
I've never seen that video.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
That was a good one yeah and um, we, like I said, we
try to show that shit as bestwe can.
I want good examples all thetime.
I want cops screwing up on it.
I explain why they screw up andwhere we fix it, why.
I want to see cops do good,like that one, and explain where
he did well and where thecitizen is mistaken on her own
rights.
So that's, that's the key inall of this.
But, um, somebody paid $2 tolet you go to sleep, sir.

(02:18:31):
So, um, I put that up there.
That's Matt's burner account.
Yeah, that was a.
Who was it that?
Was a deal.
I've been to tattoos paid $2 tolet you go to sleep.
I'm an hour ahead of you guysRemember that too.

Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
Yeah, I know, I'm so sorry, brother, but I just no.

Speaker 3 (02:18:49):
no, it's fine, we could have a conversation.
I actually pulled up a videothat I wanted to show you guys,
but it's late, but it's a reallygood video.
But we got.
We get to continue thisconversation.
I'll come back on the channelyou can come on my channel,
whatever it is.
But there's some crazy onesthat I'm sure you've seen them,
matt.
But there's some crazy onesthat, like these rookie cops,

(02:19:10):
will just go crazy because theones that are fresh out of the
academy are the worst, oh yeah,or the old-timers.

Speaker 5 (02:19:16):
Or the old ones.
The old ones are like two ofthem 30 years Another one.

Speaker 4 (02:19:19):
Yeah, that's basically one.

Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
You know, matt, he didn't even know, that's
basically.
Matt Eric didn't even knowabout the Danbury one, where the
guy said that 20 years ago hewould have killed me with my
teeth missing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:29):
No, yeah, insane, I never heard that one that was
the tippest call.

Speaker 3 (02:19:34):
20 years ago he'd have been dead with his teeth
missing.
I would have done it Insane.
You should be in prison forsaying that Insane.
It's like dude, I mean Lee'sfired, I mean whatever.
It's crazy, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
So sorry but, Sean, first and foremost from all of
us here at Two Cops, One Donutand DTV.
Thank you so much for gracingus, dude Like I'm so honored to
have you on, because I reallythink you're making a big
difference out there and I don'tcare if you're another cop and
you hear me saying that and itpisses you off.
You need to check yourself.

Speaker 6 (02:20:07):
Yeah, I just said what Eric just said.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
So that's a problem You're, that's a you problem.
Um, because I love what you'redoing.
Uh, I will do anything in mypower to get you out there more
to, um, get you involved in sometraining stuff.
Uh, we plan to do some showsbased on exactly what you're
talking about with DTV and withMatt being the forefront of that
.
Um, he doesn't know that yet,but that's what I'm doing with

(02:20:39):
him and I would love for you tobe a part of that.
Brother, as your audienceprobably seen, I'm the voice for
the Two Cops, One Donut stuff.
I talk a lot.
I don't want to be that guy forother stuff.
I want Matt, because Matt has alot of good things to say.
Banning is my wingman on thisand we do what we can.
But yeah, dude, thank you somuch.
Do you got anything you want toshout out Anything?

(02:21:00):
How can people find you Allthat good stuff?
To me.

Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
Yeah, you.
Oh my bad.
I thought you were talking toMatt.
I was reading the chat for asecond.
My bad.
No Long Island Audit for asecond.
My bad.
Um no long island auditeverywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
Uh, instagram, facebook you know youtube, uh, x
, whatever uh twitter, whateveryou want to call it yeah but
everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:21:21):
Well, everything's at long island audit.
Um, you know I want to thankyou for you know, having this
conversation with me.
Thanks, matt, for reaching outto me and uh, vouching for these
guys banning those.
Pleasure meeting you, man.
I love your heads out, loveyour mentality.
Uh, thank you for your serviceto, to your community over the
years.
I know you're not active anymore, eric.
Thanks for your continuedservice to your community.

(02:21:43):
Matt, same thing to you.
You serve your community thebest I've ever seen.
Man.
You are, not only as a lawenforcement officer but as a
community leader.
Yep, man, you serve yourcommunity and you help the youth
in your community and you putyour time where your money,
where your mouth is, time whereyour mouth is, you walk the walk

(02:22:06):
.
I know I want to help you inwhat you're doing and be a part
of it in more ways thanfinancially.
I want to actually be on theground and help you.
When I have time, I do visitIllinois a lot.
I'm through.
We're waiting.
I would love to come over there.
All right, man, thank you.
Thank you guys for yourcommunity watching.
If you don't like me, don'tworry.
You can get to know me a littlebit better, Maybe you will.
We can have a drink together orsomething.

(02:22:27):
If you don't like me, it iswhat it.
I'm not really worried about it.
I'm not going to lose sleepabout it.
I only lose sleep on this livestream.
That's what I'm losing.
I'm sorry brother.
No, no, it was a greatconversation.
I appreciate it.
Guys.
Banning again, eric Matt, thankyou guys, I'm not jumping off.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
I don't know if anybody else is, but I know
Matt's got to go.
So, sean, thank you brother.

Speaker 4 (02:22:54):
You to go Sean.
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
Take care, appreciate you very much, love you guys.
Yeah, I got to go.
Matt, tell everybody where tofind your nonprofit dude.

Speaker 4 (02:22:59):
Oh, my father, it's mfbyouthorg on my father's
business, or at Detective MattThornton.
It's on TikTok, youtube,instagram.
I am a full supporter.

Speaker 3 (02:23:11):
I'm letting you know right now Long Island is a full
supporter.
I'm letting you know right nowLong Island is a full supporter
of Matt's nonprofit, full stop.
I think he's doing great work.
Go support it.
I'm going to add a link to mydescription.

Speaker 4 (02:23:26):
My man.
I appreciate that man.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Sorry man, I have to teach himhow to do this social media
stuff.
I had to make him shout it out.

Speaker 4 (02:23:35):
You know I'm slow.

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
I know All right guys .

Speaker 4 (02:23:37):
Take it easy.
I love you guys, we'll seey'all.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
See you later.
Boys Banny, I'm sticking aroundyou, down, I'm down.

Speaker 6 (02:23:42):
Stick around.

Speaker 1 (02:23:49):
You bet all those off now that he's off, but, um,
yeah, thank you so much forjoining us.
Um, what we do on here there'sanother part of the show that we
normally do, but I wanted it tobe all about long island.
So, um, what we normally do iswe do body cam reviews.
So I've got three body camspulled up.
Um, one of the things that wewould do is we watch a body cam

(02:24:11):
video that we've never seen andwe break it down how we would
handle the call as it'sdeveloping, rather than monday
morning quarterbacking.
So, uh, everybody, that's apart of the two cops one donut
crowd.
They know what we do.
Um, we got paulina williams inthe house shouting out what's
going on, girl.
Um, so I'm gonna be jumpingback to the uh the comments a

(02:24:33):
lot more, but this is yourguys's chance to ask.
Jumping back to the uh thecomments a lot more, but this is
your guys' chance to askquestions.
Why did the cop do this?
Maybe he should have done that,and we kind of cop spleen.
I hate to say it like that, butwe'll try to cop spleen a
little bit and tell you whereour training leads us and why
we're thinking what we think asit's developing, versus having
2020 hindsight.
So it so the the littledifferent thing that we do.

(02:24:53):
Um, so let me, let me pull up.
I'm going to give a shout outto um.
Police.
Uh, what is it?
Police body cam or no?
Police activity YouTube channel?
That's where we get all of ourvideos from.
Is police activity YouTubechannel?
So shout out to them.
I am going to share the screen.
We're going to jump right intoit.
We have not seen these.

(02:25:15):
If we have seen them, we willtell you that we've seen them.
Let me biggie size this.
There you go, there we go andlet's observe.
Shall we Banning you bet?
All right, let's go, okay.

(02:25:36):
So we don't know the details.
Actually, I've seen this one.
I don't know if you've seenthis one.
No, I, I've seen this one, soI'll kind of back out a little
bit um for myself.
So this guy was trying to getinto this car.
As we can see, um looks likewhoever that is took off.
Looks like whoever that is tookoff.
Now, your boy's pride is hurt,so he's going to chase after.

(02:25:58):
Looks like he's in a 911, stateyour emergency.

Speaker 8 (02:26:02):
We'll get the call.

Speaker 2 (02:26:03):
Can somebody please come to me?
Somebody just hit me with a gunand I'm at my daughter.
They're trying to kill me rightnext to me.
Where are you at, please?
I'm bleeding.
I'm on.
I don't know I'm bleeding.
I'm bleeding.
I'm bleeding, I'm bleeding, I'mon, I'm on.

Speaker 6 (02:26:14):
I don't know.
I'm on shields.
I'm on shields, Please come Onfoot or in a car.
I'm in a car.
What kind of car?
I'm in a BMW.
What color?
Blue.

Speaker 2 (02:26:27):
Are you alone in the car?
No, I have my daughter.
No, I have my daughter.
Okay, who was it that hit you?
It was an ex-boyfriend, and hehit you with a gun.
I think he busted my head open.
I think he busted my head open.
I'm gushing out blood and he'sfollowing me right behind me.
Okay, hold on okay, I'm gettinga call in.

(02:26:47):
Okay, he was like trying to hitmy car.
So you're driving, You're notparked.
No, because he's like trying toabuse me, right now and my
daughter's in the car and he hitme with a gun.
Stop.
I'm bleeding and gushing outblood.
I'm going to kill you.
I don't give a fuck.
Why are you saying that youbetter talk to me or I'm going

(02:27:09):
to kill you right now?
Why are you trying to kill me?
I don't give a fuck.
Why are you trying to kill me?
What are you doing?
You're over-talking me.
Mike put the gun down.
Please somebody help Please mybaby's in the car.
All right, I have them.

Speaker 1 (02:27:26):
Okay, so one of the first things that I want to tell
the public is there are somedepartments out there that have
the ability, while we're in thepatrol car, to hear the call.

Speaker 6 (02:27:36):
Very small percentage but they have it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:38):
Yes, there's very small, it's a new form of
technology and you're like, whydoes that matter?
Well, here's why it matters.
What you guys just heard isgoing to cause more sense of an
urgency, because you're going toreally know how that victim
feels, because you hear.
You can hear the stress in thatvoice, versus just seeing text

(02:28:01):
on a screen Females complainingthat boyfriend's attacking
boyfriend is possibly has a gun,boyfriend dah, dah, dah, dah,
dah dah.
It becomes very callous andyou're not getting the context.
So this is a new form oftechnology that's really getting
out there.
I think one of them is calledRapid SOS, one's called Live 911
.
So pay attention to thosetechnologies that are out there.

(02:28:21):
If your departments don't havethem, this needs to be something
that gets out there because youneed to hear the urgency in
that woman's voice.
That is a time that you runcode and you do everything you
can to get to that person asquick as you can.
That is a time that you runcode and you do everything you
can to get to that person asquick as you can.
So crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.
So for me, if I get those calldetails, I'm running code, which

(02:28:48):
means lights and sirens, andI'm going to run as fast, as
safely as I can.
That's basically how we'regoing to get to this call.

Speaker 6 (02:28:52):
Banny, you got anything to add on that?

Speaker 1 (02:28:53):
No, 100% with you what you said so far.
Yeah, okay, Just looking at thechat see if anybody's got any
ideas in there.
That's great.
Upgrade the officers to respondto 911s.
Yep, absolutely.
So.
Somebody said, yeah, AI is goingto mess that up.
Yeah, you're probably not wrongon that.
Smash that like button y'all.

(02:29:13):
Yeah, and that's the otherthing.
Before I lose all of LongIsland Auditor stuff look, I'm
not asking for monetary stuff,but I think we really do have a
cool mission going on here and Idon't need your money.
I would love to have it just tokeep supporting the show.
What I really need is if youguys can just follow us, Follow,
like us, subscribe, do allthose things the teenage kids

(02:29:36):
say these days.
But please, that really doesshow that what we're doing,
you're giving positiveaffirmations that we're doing
the right thing.
And if we're doing the rightthing, please help support us.
Just hit the like button, hitthe follow, that's it.
We don't preach that all showlong.
You haven't heard us say thatone time, so please do that.
Thank you, Let me keep goingwith the video, though Copy I'll

(02:29:58):
give it here.

Speaker 8 (02:30:09):
All right, we are westbound.
Jensen Now crossing with a 41.
They are both failing to yieldAny units.
Close Pit is authorized.
Have her pull over out of theway if possible.

Speaker 1 (02:30:29):
Okay, so banning.
We have them on view.
We're coming in.

Speaker 6 (02:30:56):
And obviously they said pits authorized.
So for those that have everplayed GTA or anything like that
, that's basically where youcome up and tap behind the car
and spin it out.
So they're saying that that'sauthorized.
Where I'm at, we can't do that,so it's a.
It doesn't matter, we're notallowed to do that.
We're not even trained to dothat anymore.
So how are you approaching thisnow?
Banning, blatantly clear withwhat he said in the background,
and nine, it sounds like 911 isstill going to stay connected to
her, you know, instructing herto pull away as we try to get

(02:31:17):
him to create as much distanceas we can.
We don't know what the MO ishere, the modus operandi of what
he's going to do when hestopped, and our key element
here is the safety for thepublic, the victim of the, the
act of investigation that'sgoing on.
So we've we've got to get himstopped.
Pit maneuver of wherever thisis at I understand Fresno, so
it's obviously out in California.
We've got to get him stopped.

(02:31:39):
It's probably going to go intoa felony traffic stop if they
follow their policies to make itsafe so everybody can go home
and figure out what's freakinggoing on.
She needs to be, and as soon ashe has stopped and dealt with,
we need to have law enforcementon her, because we don't know if
he's the only actor we'rehearing the call.
Is there a brother, a friend,somebody else involved that's
also upset at whatever createdthis 911 call?

(02:32:01):
We need to make sure she issafe, separate those parties and
figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:06):
Yep, yep, sorry, I'm just trying to read some of the
comments here.
Scar said Purple Heart, veteranblocked.
When free speech is the topicis wild.
What are you talking about?
Listen, here's part of the chatissues.
Stick to topic, guys.
If you go off on wild tangentsabout crazy stuff, you may have

(02:32:27):
a great valid point on whateverit is you're talking about, but
if it's not the topics thatwe're talking about, we're not
going to address it.
I try to give everybody a voice.
I don't.
I don't block anybody, anybodyfor for speaking their mind and
trying to call us pigs, I shit.
I put up on the screen somebodyhad like 80 pigs in a row.
I put it on the screen, it'sfine.

(02:32:48):
I don't care if you call usnames, do whatever you got to do
, but try to stick to the topics, guys.
Um, so yeah, that that's whatit is.
And um, the ones that do end upgetting blocked in in in crime
is because they either didsomething racist or they started
trying to lie and and be.
Um, what do you call it?
Uh, propaganda, stuff triedtrying to diminish the the show

(02:33:13):
so by saying that we were lying.
So that's.
That's about the only time, andI even give people, like we had
one today, old steve, uh ladner, we we had to boot him because
he started spreading lies.
I'm like listen, there's a lotof good stuff we got going on
here.
I gave you the opportunity toretract it.
I asked you to and you didn't,and had to put you on a block

(02:33:35):
for 30 days.
You're not gone permanently.
We never block anybodypermanently.
You're just gone for a littlebit.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 8 (02:33:44):
He's still chasing and ramming Charles 14,.
I'm with you 102.

Speaker 6 (02:34:00):
I see your heads, I got shot.

Speaker 1 (02:34:08):
Holy shit, holy shit.
Okay.
So now the question is is isdeadly force authorized here?
You've got him trying to ramher car, so he's using deadly
force against another citizen,so you do have a deadly force,
sort of.
But once he drives away fromthe, where's's the victim?

Speaker 6 (02:34:32):
The victim, I believe , was that vehicle right in
front of the cruiser.
I could be wrong, but that'show I was taken, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34:38):
So it depends I'll say this If the victim's now
behind us and we know that therounds being fired aren't
justified.
Fair.
What do you?
Think yes, fair, what do?

Speaker 6 (02:34:53):
you think, yes, I don't know what the officer's
not seeing it, because I wouldhave to go back and watch it in
slow-mo because I'm not sure whywe're discharging rounds going
down.
I didn't catch that.
Maybe my eyes are going slow.
What did you see on why hepulled that firearm out and
didn't?

Speaker 1 (02:35:12):
Hold on, hold on a second Ali's.
Apparently.
He's posted this question a fewtimes or she.
He or she answer the questions.
Why don't so-called good copsstop the bad cops all the time,
all the time?
And here's one of the problemsthat I have and I I if you guys
go to our Instagram or whatever,you'll see that I, I showed the

(02:35:33):
Broward County Sheriff and hegoes down the list of all of
these cops that he's heldaccountable Hundreds of cops in
in, uh, you know the span of histime there.
And one of the reasons Ihighlighted this speech that
he's giving this pressconference is because the
problem is, even in my owndepartment we hold cops
accountable all year long.

(02:35:53):
Every year I've seen cops hired, fired and charged every year
that I've been a cop every yearat my own department.
That's just one department.
How often do you guys hearabout it?
Never.
Why don't you hear about it?
The reason you don't hear aboutit?
Because nobody gives a shitabout cops doing their job.
The times that they care iswhen it's sensationalized, when

(02:36:16):
there's something to it thatlooks foul.
That's when we care.
So what I would ask you to doand what I like that the broward
county guy did was he actuallygave the numbers of the amount
of cops he's held accountableevery year from like 2020 to
2025, and all the times thatthey have pressed charges to the

(02:36:38):
prosecutor and the prosecutordenied pressing charges.
So that's one department,broward county.
Watch this guy.
Now he had a huge number, alittle higher than normal, I'll
say that.
But when you say that cops don'thold other cops accountable, I
think a lot of the times theproblem is is people want

(02:36:58):
instant.
They want that person arrestedright then and there, because a
citizen would have been arrestedright then and there when I
would argue I want all yourducks in a row when you're going
to file charges against the cop, because the last thing you
want is for them to get off.
If it's justified, get yourducks in a row.

(02:37:19):
Quit being impatient.
I know it sucks because itseems like a double standard,
but you want to have your ducksin a row if you're going to
charge a cop or hire or arrest acop while they're on duty.
So that is that's my shtick.
You can agree with me or notagree with me.
Um, we won't agree oneverything.
So that is, that's my answer tothat.

(02:37:42):
That's my answer to that, um,and I would.
I would challenge you to go outand look and see what the
numbers are at your localdepartment.
Ask them, try to find out.
Get a Freedom of InformationAct.
How many people have you fired?
How many people have youcharged?

Speaker 6 (02:37:58):
There's something to add to this, eric, and only
because I get messaged this allover the country is we did
meaning a police departmenttelling me we did a press
release on us stopping one ofour own and no media outlets
pick it up.
You know there's policedepartments that police
departments that will do what'scalled an official press release
and it goes into the associatedpress pool.
We did this, this and thisfound this held somebody

(02:38:20):
accountable for this and a lotof agencies aren't getting the
media to pick that up.
Some are it's not all of them,but some are getting it picked
up, but then not all of them are.

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
Yep, uh-oh, dead leg jumped in.
What do you got buddy, andhere's why?

Speaker 9 (02:38:38):
Here's why no one will pick that up.
Because you know what's notsensational in the media Cops
doing their jobs, cops doingtheir jobs, or cops were held
accountable.
That's not what people want tohear.
They want to hear about all thecorruption because they know
that their agency and they knowthat everybody's bad yep, that's

(02:38:58):
what they want.
They want to reaffirm thethings that they believe, and
they don't want to heartransparency.
They don't want to hear hey,this is us, we made an ass of
ourselves and we're trying to bebetter.
They don't want to hear that,yep, just want to hear I don't
want to be held responsible foranything I do, either better.
They don't want to hear that,yep, just want to hear I don't
want to be held responsible foranything I do either.
So because I don't want to beheld responsible for anything I
do, I'm just going to push allthis out and say, well, all cops

(02:39:21):
are bad.

Speaker 1 (02:39:21):
Yep, um.
Andy Fletcher said how canthose ducks be in a row
instantly for a civilian, butnot as a cop from a civilian,
but if a cop in in there's?
There's a lot of instances ofthis where a cop one cop can see

(02:39:42):
something that another cop fromhis angle doesn't see.
I have seen videos where a coppulls out his gun, ends up
shooting a suspect and the othercop immediately is like what
did you shoot him for?
Because he didn't see thethreat.
So imagine if that officer wentand arrested him right away and

(02:40:03):
come to find out that thatwasn't justified.
So that's what I'm getting atGet your ducks in a row for the
cops, because if you screw it up, you fucked up the whole case
and we need to hold higherstandards.
So let's get rid of them.
So and I you know I love itSupreme liars.

(02:40:24):
I can guarantee you I'm a lotof things, sir.
It could be an asshole, adouchebag, a pig, you know
whatever you want to call me,but I'm not lying.
That's the one thing thatyou're not going to be able to
get out of me.
I'm not lying to you.
You can, you can not like itall you want.
I'm going to even put yourcomments up here.
Are you listening to thisbullshit?
It might be bullshit to you,but I challenge you this get

(02:40:46):
some other cops that are goingto talk to you and talk about it
publicly, like this on aplatform.
That's the thing.
We're not running from yourquestions.
We're going to give you ourperspective.
If you don't like it, so be it,but find it somewhere else.

Speaker 9 (02:41:00):
You're doing exactly what they want to have happen.
You are a cop.
I'm retired.
Banning is an active cop.
No, I'm retired.
Yeah.
Banning's retired,congratulations.
There's three of us that spenda little bit of time in law
enforcement, but we're all threequestioning I, I don't see
anything where I would startdischarging rounds into this car

(02:41:21):
.
So you have three people thathave training and experience
questioning why someone isdischarging rounds into a car.
We're doing the same thing thatyou're doing.
We're questioning it.
We're saying, hey, we don't seewhat you and we're literally
getting the vantage point fromwhere the officer's at.

Speaker 1 (02:41:36):
Right, right, yeah, and uh, where'd it go?
Sorry, um, uh, I keep goingwith Andy, sorry, but you never
see it.
Uh, when a cops, how do you seeit when it's a civilian?
Because as a cop, we haveobligate we like, bound by law,
otherwise we can be arrested,lose our jobs, lose our families
, lose all these things, becausewe failed to act.

Speaker 6 (02:41:56):
Yeah, failure to intervene.

Speaker 1 (02:41:58):
Failure to intervene, failure to yeah, or you know,
it's like felonies in discretion, like with misdemeanors I have.
I have discretion on amisdemeanor I don't have to
arrest you.
But if I come across the felonyyou got a felony warrant I have
to arrest you.
If I don't now I or lay it outthere, whatever class C Texas

(02:42:20):
violation you have.

Speaker 6 (02:42:35):
The officer has discretion, Okay, uh, once it
crosses in and the state ofTexas, into that class B realm,
which is still a misdemeanor, it, depending on department uh
policy, they may what's calledshall arrest, yeah, and then
they may have to be forced tofollow that policy.
I've used my discretion 21years, hundreds of times I've.

(02:43:00):
I've used that discretion somany times.
I treat every traffic stop Iwas on as a case by case basis,
you know, and it's.
I've ran into people that's gotfive, 10 warrants and they're.
You know they.
They recently got here, they'regoing through the process to
become a U S citizen.
They're doing everything right,you know they're.
They're busting their ass outthere it's a tough world, even

(02:43:21):
though they're in a bettercountry, and they're doing
everything.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
We have that discretion.
Hey, this is what's going on.
You need to get this, this andthis.
And I'm on to the next.
And there's so many policeofficers out there that do that
and that needs to be seen.
It doesn't get seen becausethese departments don't go out
there and take all those videosand flood the market with it,

(02:43:41):
because that's just daily lawenforcement operations.
Now the ones that we're seeing,just as long as y'all are that
aren't doing the right things.
It pisses us off too, if thatbothers you, me saying pisses us
off.
I'm sorry you're on the wrongchannel, but it pisses us off
too.
Um, because we do have thatdiscretion on the lower level
stuff.
We're all humans.
We all put our pants on thesame way every day.

(02:44:02):
We've got to get along on thisfrigging planet.

Speaker 1 (02:44:05):
Yep and uh, I'm sorry we were never going to be
perfect, um, but we're herehaving the conversations, we're
trying to improve it so you canjump down our throats all you
want.
I mean, we're here, just try totalk to us guys.
That's all we're asking.
So let's keep going with thisvideo here.
So I'm already.
I'm not a big fan of shootinginto this vehicle unless I see a

(02:44:27):
gun, and I don't know what thisofficer sees.
Maybe the guy's pointing a gunback.
We just didn't see it in thisbody cam video, I don't know.
So things to consider, so let'skeep going here.
Oh, real quick.
Michael Riley said would stilllove to hear why.
He said she was also failing toyield.
Should she have stopped?
Got shot by the guy?

(02:44:48):
Yeah, it's, I don't know.
I don't think he's reallycalling her out for not stopping
.
I think he's like she's notstopping, nobody's stopping.
This is a crit.
This does not happen.
This in law enforcement, thisis a unicorn.
I can tell you right now.
I've never seen this happen tome.
So let's keep going.
So now this car is rammingother vehicles, um, showing

(02:45:16):
gross, uh, disregard foreverybody.
Um, and this is what he's usingis now what I would consider
deadly force, because he isramming other vehicles.
All it takes is for him to pusha car into oncoming traffic and
that's all she wrote.
So he is using deadly force.

Speaker 9 (02:45:36):
So but I.
But given all little olivebranch she did just discharge a
couple rounds into there.
Yep, that vehicle could be outof control and creating on its
own, because there's no one incontrol of it, because he just
ate a couple rounds too yeah,that's fair, it's also a
possibility yeah, that thatcould be a good defense to
prosecution.

Speaker 1 (02:45:56):
Um, depending on what's going on, reload on the
run.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, I'll give him credit forthat.
That's not easy to do.
Um, he's obviously trained.
He's got a red dot on gun, sohe's staying up to date with the
most recent technologicaladvances for policing.

(02:46:18):
I will say that my red dot hadme shooting basically perfect
scores every time.
Now let's see here.
Okay, so this is running upplug-in and there's no challenge
.
And no, not man, this is Idon't know.

(02:46:39):
I don't know.
I will tell you based on what Isee, I don't know if I'm gonna
go up there just plugging did henot?

Speaker 10 (02:46:46):
I thought I saw he had a gun when he rammed her.
He did the driver of the car.

Speaker 1 (02:46:55):
Yes, that's part of the call.
Is that he has a gun?

Speaker 10 (02:46:58):
No, like he banished it out the window.
I thought, oh, he chucked it.
I don't even know.
I thought, he was acting likehe was going to fire it towards
her?

Speaker 1 (02:47:08):
I don't know.
Let's see, let's keep going.
Got hands up, I'm with you, I'mwith you.
Now I will say that is amazingdiscipline by this officer to be

(02:47:29):
in the middle of shooting,recognize this guy's, put his
hands out the window and stopfiring and reload and reload.
So immediate, discontinue useof force.
So that's a positive.
But the the whole thing is isdid he have justification to
fire?
I don't know that he did.

Speaker 6 (02:47:47):
I don't know that's the whole problem I'm I'm
running into right now, and onlybecause we're looking at this
live and we're going through it,we're not rewinding and using
little, because the you know,the officer or the general
public can't do that either inlifetime.
I don't know what he saw, soright now I'm just cringing.
Only because why are we onholstering?

(02:48:08):
Why are we going towards this,this and this, when it's not
just a felony traffic stop, uh,with nothing in the background
where anybody else can get hurt?

Speaker 1 (02:48:15):
that anyway go ahead, yeah, I and it, yeah.
So, and look at his shot playis good shot placement.
He's shooting in the rightspots.
Um so let's, let's keep goinghere you come out with your
hands up or we will shoot youagain.

Speaker 8 (02:48:33):
Come out on the ground 7-12-14, line of fire is
going to be to the east.
I need units to arrive fromJensen and 41.

Speaker 1 (02:48:40):
So that's good communication.
He's letting his officers knowwhere to go.
We don't want to have crossfireissues.
As you can see, there are carseverywhere.
I don't know if you guys cansee my mouse, but concern is
this truck across the way, um,and these cars over here.
What I like is that just oneofficer's talking.
It really turns nuts whenmultiple people are talking.

(02:49:01):
So, um, I, you know this guystarted chiming up.
I'd tell him shut up, let mehandle it so let me take over
for you serge.

Speaker 5 (02:49:11):
you got it, get, got it, get out of the car.

Speaker 8 (02:49:13):
He heard you.
Do not reach for anything or Iwill shoot you.

Speaker 1 (02:49:18):
Okay, confusing, get out of the car.
Don't reach for anything, I'llshoot you.
He's got to reach for the doorhandle, whether it's outside of
the vehicle or inside.
This is where commands reallymake a difference.
If I was that dude, I'd justleave my hands out the window.

Speaker 10 (02:49:37):
I wouldn't move one big, uh, you know, he told his
sergeant, hey, check your gun.
I told him, you know, hey, letme take this over.
And so the other officer, couldyou know, check his reload.

Speaker 1 (02:49:49):
Yeah, yeah so, ollie I, I see that you're just
trolling now, bud, because I'llcall out your comment right
there.
They love killing, yet hestopped firing the meat that
immediately when this guy puthis hands out.
So and and and spoiler alertthis guy doesn't get hurt.
So so, nice, try, bud get out ofthe car, turn off my siren not

(02:50:17):
to mention we got it on audiothis guy threatening to kill his
baby mama and she's bleedingand had been pistol whipped by
him.
So why would we not think thathe's about to try to kill her?
And look what he did to allthese other vehicles.
Victim rights we don't needthat anymore.
Yeah right, I know, let that beyour daughter that this guy did

(02:50:42):
that to and see where yourmindset's at.
Jim Norton sent us $20.
Appreciate you, brother.
Thanks for the support of theshow.
Let's keep going here.
This is the amazing part.

Speaker 5 (02:51:02):
Unlock the door, get out.
If you reach, you won't getshot.

Speaker 1 (02:51:06):
God, I don't Come out .
Stop saying that.
Face away from me.
Officers, if you are watchingthis this is part of this is how
.
How people get hurt.
Give them clear commands thatdon't conflict.
Get out of the car, don't reachfor anything.
You got to reach for the handle.
Yep geez, I wouldn't move.
I'm not gonna lie.

(02:51:27):
I'd be yelling like you comeopen the door.
I'm not opening it, gonna keepmy hands right here.

Speaker 5 (02:51:32):
Turn away, get out and face away.
Keep your hands up, get out ofthe car, get out, face away,
walk backwards Hands up Keepcoming, keep coming, keep coming
, keep coming, keep coming.

Speaker 1 (02:51:53):
Stop saying that too.
Choose another word Walk back,keep coming.
Stop saying that too.
Choose another word Walk back,walk backwards, keep walking
backwards.
Don't say keep coming, keepmoving, keep moving, keep moving
, yeah, moving Whatever.
Yeah, I don't like that.
It's a good ringtone.
What did Joseph say If you'venever been an officer involved
shooting or direct action?

(02:52:13):
Combat nobody.
Uh, no, that's not what I readhomeless, homeless, and no one
cares about your red dot andyour score is the mindset that
you need extra time to arrest acop for a crime is ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (02:52:25):
Okay, agree to disagree so here's the other
side of that coin.
Every time you do a trafficstop, you're getting a ticket.
Every time we talk to, you'regetting a ticket.
Every time we talk to you.
You're getting a ticket.
Every time that we have anyinteraction, you're going to
jail.
There's zero discretion.

Speaker 1 (02:52:39):
Yeah, that could be another.

Speaker 9 (02:52:40):
I mean so that that if you want, if you want to have
the discretion and you want tounderstand why discretion goes
both ways, cause the other thingis is a cop is a different
person in society.
It's like going after a judgethey're a different person in
society.
It's like going after a lawyerthey specialize in the area of

(02:53:00):
law enforcement.
So you want to make sure thatwhen you go after them, when you
get ready to put bracelets onthem, that they don't come back
off, because you definitelydon't want them coming back to
work on Tuesday going hey guys,all that stuff that you just did
, it didn't go anywhere, yep,and now I'm going to sue you
guys for hostile workplaceenvironment.

(02:53:21):
So not only am I going to getto keep my job, you guys are
going to pay me to stay here,yeah.
So that's why we want to savemoney.
We want to make sure all thebad cops aren't cops.
We all want the same goal.

Speaker 1 (02:53:32):
Yep, uh, ialle.
He said I suffer from a severecase of swine fatigue.
Funny, I like it.
But hey, man, like I said, allthe insults, all that stuff,
it's fine, but I just want youguys to have the conversations.
You can tear us apart, that'sfine, pick apart what we say.

(02:53:55):
You guys, honestly, have madeeverybody on this panel that
still does police work, made usbetter cops.
Because I do take and listen towhat you guys say and it gets
incorporated into how I policeand it helps me stay level and
get you know thin blue linementality.

(02:54:15):
Where you're in a cop echochamber I refuse to be in that.
So I love what you guys, I dolisten to what you guys say and
if I don't agree with you I'lltell you I don't agree with you.
But it is what it is.
We're never going to agree oneverything.
Just just have theconversations.
So Bob Smith said question Ericor the rest on the panel have

(02:54:38):
you ever had to use your firearmwhile on duty?
I have not.
I've been shot at several times.
I work in a city with over amillion people.
There's over a million calls ayear, so I'm in a very busy city
, but no, I have never had toshoot anybody.
I can't speak for everybody onthe panel.

Speaker 9 (02:54:56):
I don't know, but anybody else Stateside I came
pretty close once overseas.
I was deployed in the firstpush.

Speaker 1 (02:55:02):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, we do have some militaryguys.
I mean, I'm military,quasi-military, I'm Air Force,
so we're not over there.
I'm not on a plane so you dongotta worry about me some of the
flies to quake, yeah, um, some.
Yeah, right, it would be yourescort, sir, um, but uh, let's

(02:55:22):
keep going here.
So the amazing thing is, inthis video I'll end this video
this guy doesn't get hit.
Uh, no, at least I don't thinkhe got hit, it didn't.
So I so I'm going into the?
Uh, the details.
Uh, the sergeant chased the car.
Uh, you guys already know thedetails of it.
So that tries to escape.
Um, that's when the sergeantfired his gun.

(02:55:44):
Campos places hands out of thewindow, um, and was arrested
without being hit by gunfire.
The woman who was pistolwhipped and two other people in
the cars struck by Campos weretransported to the area hospital
for their injuries weren'tconsidered serious.
The victim's child, who was inthe back seat, was examined by

(02:56:08):
EMS and was not physicallyharmed.
Campos has been charged with 11counts, including attempted
murder on the woman.

Speaker 10 (02:56:17):
He fired a round at her car and she backed into the
cop car.

Speaker 1 (02:56:23):
Oh, when that happened.

Speaker 10 (02:56:24):
Yeah.
That would be a good reason whyyou get out and so he jumped
out when she re-rendered himDuring the shoot.

Speaker 1 (02:56:32):
Campos slammed his car in a victim's vehicle and
pointed the gun at her,threatening to kill her.
Officers located him at atraffic light.
Officers approached Campbell,fired at least one round at the
victim.
Okay, so this was after policecontact, he fired the gun.
So see, this is why it'simportant to go back and look,
and that's something that'seasily provable because you'll

(02:56:54):
find the round, you'll figureout where it was hit and all
that stuff.

Speaker 10 (02:56:57):
All I know is we all need to have Mercedes old
C-Class, yeah, germanengineering, that window did not
come out and that was somepretty good grouping under
pressure.

Speaker 1 (02:57:09):
Yeah, that was crazy.
I can't believe that that dudewasn't hit, yep, especially with
all the shots were actually ontarget.
Yeah, that was crazy.
I can't believe that that dudewasn't hit Yep, let me.

Speaker 9 (02:57:15):
Especially with all the shots were actually on
target Right, which is evencrazier Right On the move.

Speaker 10 (02:57:22):
Yeah, he was moving pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:57:25):
Okay, so let me go to this next video here.
This one's four minutes long,so it's not that long.
Share screen Boom, okay long,so it's not that long.
Uh, share screen, boom, okay,let's.
Uh, biggie says this one.
There we go, and I want to dothis view.

(02:57:45):
I like this view better.
Well, actually, oh, what isthis view?
Sorry, I like to play with theviews every once in a while.
Guy, nope, I don't like that,do that, do that side panel view
.
Look the better you yeah, yeah,I like this one better.
Okay, and play again.

(02:58:09):
Shout out to police activity.
Make sure you guys check outtheir channel happening right
there.

Speaker 5 (02:58:13):
Again, shout out to Police Activity, make sure, you
guys check out their channel.

Speaker 1 (02:58:18):
What's happening right there?
Gunshot.
We'll wait for the body camera.
Oh shit, a crossfire.
Okay, first thing I noticed asa cop is there's a whole bunch

(02:58:47):
of different units here, so thislooks like this is somebody
that they were after, maybe, orthere's some sort of event going
on, but you're playing closepeople.
Yeah, there's playing closeguys here, so plus you've got
guys that aren't playing close.

Speaker 10 (02:59:02):
So it tells you that you know there's some kind of
like event or they're doing anactual.

Speaker 1 (02:59:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Somebody said oh, that was agood question from.
I'm not saying that name,that's too close to get me in
trouble.
Nice try, nice try.
Mister, I'm not saying that outloud, but would you give up
qualified immunity?
I think it needs to be tweaked,absolutely I think it needs to

(02:59:31):
be tweaked.
But I think if you get rid ofit completely you're not going
to get people to do the job.
That's just my opinion.
I do think it's flawed and Ithink it needs to be addressed,
because somebody like MrBillfold, I think he's told me
before that 99-point-somethingpercent of anybody that's ever

(02:59:54):
lost their qualified immunity,still nothing's happened to them
.
So that tells me right awaythere's something wrong with
that.
There's something wrong withthat.

Speaker 9 (03:00:01):
That needs to change.

Speaker 1 (03:00:01):
That needs to change.
Yeah, so, yeah, it needs to bechanged.
The way that it is currently iswrong, but I think you get rid
of it and this is where we'vegotten in debates, a lot is.
I don't think you should getrid of it and this is where
we've gotten in debates, a lotis.
I don't think you should getrid of it completely.
I think it needs to exist in away, but it needs to be fixed.

Speaker 10 (03:00:20):
Would you agree, though, like that's the same as
most laws need to have movementone way or the other, because
we're always in a moving forwardrole.
Things aren't the way they werein the 1700s, so oh, you mean
like adapted for change yeah,yeah, as time.
I mean, we still have a law onthe book that you can't spit on

(03:00:42):
the sidewalks right, like intexas, you can't paint your
chickens on natural color rightright, I mean we'll just be
adaptable.

Speaker 9 (03:00:48):
It's kind of like normal things to me.

Speaker 1 (03:00:50):
Yeah, you can't have seven or more toys in your
vehicle.
Yeah, I mean like those areother things that you can't have
in texas.
So yeah, it needs to be fixed.
It's flawed a hundred percent.
It's flawed, um, but abolished.
I think if you abolish it it'sgoing to be kind of like the
defund the police movement.
That's just my opinion.
So does that mean I'm right?

(03:01:11):
No, doesn't mean I'm right.
I don't know.
I don't know a better fix.

Speaker 6 (03:01:15):
So we're going to have that talk.
We're going to bring in experts.
Let me use somebody else'scomments.

Speaker 1 (03:01:20):
Self-proclaimed experts, lenny, said Lenny said
that guy's name is thecornerstone, not a racial name.
Yeah, doesn't matter.
You know how AI is these days.
All somebody's got to do isjust get me somewhat pronounced
in something questionable andthey can change it.
I'm not even taking the chance,sir.
I'm not even taking the chance.
Let's keep going with thisvideo.

Speaker 9 (03:01:48):
One voice.
Let's do that.

Speaker 1 (03:01:49):
We've got several cops.
I can't tell if these are cops.
No, no, no, do that.
Yeah, so we got several cops.
I can't tell if these are cops.
No, no, let's do this.
This is citizens coming in,taking, separating everybody.
That would be the last thingI'd want to happen.
What I would have happened fromhere is we all move in and
start closing up the crime sceneum, or in rendering aid,

(03:02:13):
because obviously this guy gotshot so it just looked like, too
like there was a bunch ofpeople there.

Speaker 9 (03:02:19):
There was just more than two shots.
There was definitely a shootout.
That just happened and theneverybody in the area just
swarmed back into the area.
Yeah, like I, I don't know yeah, unless you're supposed to be
there like you're responding.

Speaker 1 (03:02:40):
Okay, he's got a gun for sure.
Yep, yeah, it looks like he'sfiring.
Dropped it.
Okay, he reached for the gunagain, and that's when I heard
more shots fired, so I'm okaywith this so far?

Speaker 10 (03:02:55):
Was there a cop tackling him just prior to him
coming back around?

Speaker 1 (03:02:59):
Yeah, yeah, they were trying.
He was trying to wrestle him tothe ground and then this guy was
.
They were fighting over thatgun.
Okay, so this will.
He's trying to make contactwith this guy.
He's looking back.
We don't know why he's tryingto make contact with this guy.
He's looking back.
We don't know why he's tryingto make contact.
Okay, now he's reaching in abag.

(03:03:25):
So the immediate question isgoing to be are we making lawful
contact with this guy?
Is there a reason for us to bestopping him?
So let's play this down twodifferent roles.
One we have a lawful reason.
This guy starts ignoring us.
Now we're chasing after him.
Everything falls into place.
Now the other side of the houseis going to be do we not have a
legal reason to go after him?

(03:03:46):
So then that's going to changethings a lot.
Trying to grab this down.
That was a gunshot.
So this officer's not even he'snot even in the gunfight.
Those first shots we heard werefrom the bad guy, the guy with
the gun.
So everybody's getting the deck.

(03:04:12):
This guy did what I like tocall a tactical retreat.
So there is no shame in runningaway to get in a better
tactical position.
This is a military strategy.

Speaker 6 (03:04:24):
You you grab cover so you can be effective right now
you know, eric doesn't.
You know, running away is notwhat he's saying.
It's it's you're running tocover, so you turn around.
Yeah, there, yeah, instead ofstanding there and be a bullet
sponge just to say that you wereis not what he's saying.
It's you're running to cover,so you turn around.
Yeah, get your guns on.

Speaker 1 (03:04:35):
Yeah, instead of standing there and be a bullet
sponge just to say that you werea bullet sponge.
Let's keep going.
Oh Okay, let me keep going.
So this officer just took a bigrisk coming around that corner

(03:04:56):
blind, because he's in thecrossfire yeah, he is well, and
then he's firing back into thepeople.

Speaker 10 (03:05:03):
Yeah yes, absolutely doesn't know where he's fired,
who he's firing at yep, yep, um,let's uh hold on one second.

Speaker 1 (03:05:15):
Um, we have spammers, so I gotta block the spammers
trying to put their porn siteson our chat.
It's not my burner account.
Wade lucero, do those manversus scare cops?
Well, he did pull a gun out ofit and turn around and fire.

Speaker 10 (03:05:31):
So, that's a conversation we get to have in a
little bit yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05:38):
So let's keep going here.
And obviously it didn't scarehim enough to start shooting the
guy for digging in the bag.
He didn't.
There was no shots fired untilhe dug in the bag, got the gun
out while a cop was trying totake him to the ground and then
started firing.
So I give these cops kudos forat least trying to go hands on

(03:05:58):
before just immediately tryingto shoot somebody.
Oof, you hear that that's Billbouncing off the pole right now.

Speaker 10 (03:06:26):
That's scary shit, man.
Real time was involved in thatone.
Yeah, they were getting shot inthat one, okay so that guy goes
running.

Speaker 1 (03:06:45):
Woo one, yeah, they were getting shot in that one.
Okay, so that guy goes runningeverywhere did anybody else get
hit shotguns and tattoos?
Throwing $5 in the chat, loveit.
Better to protect yourself thannot agreed striders away.

(03:07:10):
You guys and Mr Izzo, I loveyou.
Hey, awesome, take a game.
Strider's Way.
You guys, I'm Mr Iz.
I love you.
Hey awesome, take a good look,I'm going to pause it here,
because this is just intentional.
This is intentional gaslightingand I'm going to call you out

(03:07:32):
for it.
So all man versus scare copsnow.
Is that why he was stopped?
We haven't even got to that yet.
We don't know why they werepulling him or why they were
stopping him.

Speaker 6 (03:07:42):
I can envision the embasement that this is coming
from right now.

Speaker 1 (03:07:45):
Yeah, but Allie 1, if you're going to call out and
say dumb shit, you just saw whathappened.
He tried to tackle him, takehim down while he was drawing a
gun out of that bag and then heshot at him.
So am I scared of getting shot?
Yeah, I am.
Yes, I am very scared ofgetting.

(03:08:05):
I don't want to get shot.
But at the same time, theydidn't just start shooting this
guy, they actually didn't startshooting until they were shot at
.

Speaker 6 (03:08:14):
Can we?
Is there anything I can't pullit up?
Is there anything in thisdescription?

Speaker 1 (03:08:18):
We'll get to that.
Once the video is done, we'llget to the description.
I haven't read it.
I don't know what they say.
So 60 shots in five seconds,holy shit, that's a lot of shots
.
Let's keep going.
So now, here's the problem.
You've got a crime scene.

(03:08:39):
You've got I don't know whosegun that is.
I don't know if that's a cop'sgun or the bad guy's gun this
officer tossed it over there.
We got it away from him so nowwe've got to render aid and make
sure he's secure.
Make got it away from from him,yep, okay.
So now we've got to render aidand make sure he's secure, make
sure there's nothing on him.
Uh, for cops out there on stufflike this, when you know that

(03:09:01):
they're like possibly mortallywounded, like if you can secure
the hands and check real quickthat there's no other weapons
like it, it's okay to startrendering aid, like asap, um,
and and try to get somelife-saving measures on this
person.
So you gotta get everybody outof this scene and you can't

(03:09:28):
start rendering aid becausethese guys are all in the scene
I don't know if this is family,friends, who this is.
So, um, now the crowd isbecoming violent.

Speaker 9 (03:10:22):
This becomes the headline police fail to render
aid.
That's what the headline willread.
It won't read police aredealing with a huge fight after
a shooting.
It will read police fail torender aid.

Speaker 1 (03:10:33):
Yeah, let's go to the details here.
See why we were there and whywe were doing what we were doing
.
I'm going to stop sharing andI'll read this First.
Shout out to Safinsher.
Insurance said it's nuance.
I believe there's a larger partof the population that has

(03:10:54):
become disillusioned withpolicing in this country.
Fair Cop has pucker factor now.
Yeah, you're not lying, sir.
Okay, so let's see here.
Baltimore Police Departmentofficers and unmarked cruisers
were in the area of PennsylvaniaAvenue and Lawrence Street when

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they encountered 36-year-oldJunior standing at the corner
carrying a crossbody bag on hisback.
The officers attempted to speakwith Abdullah from their
vehicle and then one officerexited the unmarked cruiser and
approached Abdullah on foot.
Abdullah began walking and theofficer followed.
As the officer followed,abdullah shifted the bag from

(03:11:37):
the back to the front, which wesaw, and they started fleeing.
Okay, so right away, I'm notseeing a justification.
That's not a justification fromwhat I'm reading.

Speaker 9 (03:11:49):
so not from just that , not from the other units that
were in and the second bodycamera from the guy in the back
seat that got out.
Just given prior experience, itseems to me to believe that
there is more than is in thedescription right and that's
possible, but from based on whatwe're reading right now, I
would say that was not.

Speaker 1 (03:12:10):
There's no like we didn't have a reason to chase
him, so so how many?

Speaker 10 (03:12:15):
yeah, I mean you come to texas.
How many people are wearing across drone bag like that?
We know there's a gun in it,yeah, not the 945 industries.

Speaker 1 (03:12:24):
I wear a crossbody bag with a holster.
That's what it's designed for.
Um, so everybody carries intexas.
So I'm I'm not seeing, uh, razor pc to make contact with this
guy.
Can you do a consensual?
yeah, but if the guy decides torun on a consensual encounter
like, let him freaking get hisexercise in let him run so let

(03:12:47):
me see you next time if I don'thave, if I don't have, a
freaking probable cause, reasonto freaking, stop you bye, yeah,
so um, a third officer postedat an intersection in a separate
mark cruiser also exited hervehicle.
As the first officer grabbed,abdullah firearm was discharged.
This prompted the officers toretreat and take cover.
Abdullah then pointed thefirearm at the officers and

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three officers exchanged gunfire, with Abdullah striking him.
The firearm was recovered fromAbdullah and secured by an
officer.
A crowd gathered Abdullah, whichprevented officers from
immediately rendering aid.
Within minutes, the scene wassecured.
Okay, so they did end upgetting it secured.
Officers administered medicalassistance until emergency units

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arrived.
Abdullah was transferred into ahospital where he was
pronounced deceased.
According to the police, oneround believed to be from
Abdullah ricocheted and struckan officer in the foot.
The officer is recovering andhe has been released from the
hospital following surgery.
Okay, so now it goes intoreason for contact.
Did you contact him?

(03:13:52):
So what they're saying in thechat about being scared of a
crossbody bag like I'm sorry inTexas, I don't care if I see you
can carry man.

Speaker 6 (03:14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:14:04):
You can carry everywhere.
So I would love to know whatthe laws are in Baltimore.
Is that what that one was outof?

Speaker 9 (03:14:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:14:14):
It's one of the things that I love about Texas.
Like I carry, carry whereveryou want, like you, I don't.
I don't know, alan, are thoseblonde tips?

Speaker 10 (03:14:24):
No, Tim, that's called gray hair.
Oh, I like that so yeah, Idon't see.

Speaker 1 (03:14:32):
I did not see probable cause to make contact.
I'm sorry, reasonable suspicionto make contact based on what
we see.
There may be more and, justlike Deadleg was saying, we
don't know, we don't have thereport in front of us and this
is just a description on YouTube.
We don't know.

Speaker 10 (03:14:47):
Well, and then they jumped out of an unmarked unit.
You know like, do you have theright to move away from people
that are like I don't know whoyou are getting out of that car
coming after them?

Speaker 6 (03:15:03):
Did you yell stop police, did you?
Are you wearing proper gearthat identifies yourself as a
cop?
Yeah, you know, and I do have aproblem with that and it's.
I've seen some videos out therelike that.
You have some of these ucs orundercovers out there that do
things and they're putting theirreport.
They, you know, fail to listento to verbal command.
You're freaking joe schmo onthe street wearing you know,
like what I'm wearing right now.
If I yelled at somebody to stopand they told me to go fucking

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climb a tree, yeah, you know,unless I've got police and I'm
properly marked, yeah, they'regonna tell me to go pound
freaking sand.
They don't want me to come overthere and sit on them.

Speaker 1 (03:15:34):
They're gonna take it off, yeah where I'm at, cop
cops are not allowed to useundercover cars to do any sort
of stops, any sort of jump outsor anything like that, unless
it's immediate, imminent threatof serious bodily injury or
death.
Like that.
Is it so if they saw an officerfighting with somebody holding

(03:15:54):
a gun and they're fighting overthe gun and they're an unmarked
car, that would be justificationto jump out.
But other than that, like theyshouldn't be jumping out and
they shouldn't be the primary,especially shouldn't be the
primary unit jumping out tryingto go chase down somebody when
you don't have reason to makecontact and if you and that's
where, yeah, dead, like broughtit up earlier where I do think

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there was something else goingon here, because there's enough
marked units.

Speaker 10 (03:16:20):
You know, in our neck of the woods if we're going
to go do something unmarked,there's going to be a marked
unit in the very near vicinityto get involved so we can start
saying, hey, yeah, we're policeyeah, um harrison said that the
gun laws are better in kentuckythan texas.

Speaker 1 (03:16:37):
Uh, nah said even an unjustified stop is not cause to
shoot at officers.
No, and you're right.
You're right, yeah, heshouldn't be shooting at the
cops.
I'm not.
Sometimes I tend to focus onthe cop side of things because I
think that the suspect side ofthings is too easy.
Like, of course you shouldn'tbe shooting at cops and he knew
he was shooting at cops.

(03:16:58):
Like I get that.
But if we're going gonna holdcops to a higher standard, we
got to get into the.
Why did we screw up?
Where did we screw up and howdo we fix it?
Well, I would say get more pcbefore you try stopping somebody
.
Get more reasonable,articulable suspicion of a crime
before you stop somebody justbecause somebody's got a cross
body bag.

(03:17:19):
I, we don't know.
I don't know, maybe he saw thehilt of a gun poking out of it
and that's illegal there.

Speaker 6 (03:17:24):
I don't know, we're speculating and it makes me
believe that city has gonethrough a lot of shit in the
past 10 years.

Speaker 1 (03:17:32):
Where they filmed the wire.
Yeah, absolutely one of thebest cops ever.

Speaker 9 (03:17:38):
Country's task force was there yep yep.
So, it leads me to believe thatthere's more than something here
.
All four of us say this is kindof weird when four people have
the same little spidey sense.
Because the other thing too isif there's active investigations
, a lot of times you're going togive as much information as you

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have to because you don't wantto compromise another
investigation.
Or if we have this guy incustody and he's starting to
spill the beans on somebody else, yeah, we're not gonna.
Hey, he's spilling the beans oneverybody.
Like we're not gonna let thatout.
So the the lack of completeinformation.
The other thing too is tryingto get information out of that
scene.
Look how long it took for themto get control of the scene.

(03:18:22):
Yeah, I'm surprised they did.

Speaker 1 (03:18:25):
I'm surprised they did.
Let's get information.
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
So the question is how do weimprove, how do we get better on
this call?
What can we learn from it?
Michael Boris said justremember, freestanding God's
judgment, there will be no threeblue line to help you.
Yeah, I agree, sir, absolutely,absolutely.
Michael, you're spot on.
That's why.
I told you.
You shouldn't be doing things.

(03:18:47):
Yeah, you shouldn't be doingthings based on a thin blue line
.
You should be doing thingsbased on the golden rule.
And if you're a religiousperson, you know, christian or
whatever it is, whatever yourchoice be.
We don't get into religion onhere or politics.
So whatever it is, whateveryour choice be, we don't get
into religion on here orpolitics.
So whatever it is.
But, yeah, I don't think you'rewrong on that, um, but yeah.

(03:19:07):
So if we're going to improve onthis one, if we're going to
make stops, your reasonable,articular suspicion for stopping
somebody, better be fuckingspot on.
I did not see, based on thedescription and based on what we
saw was enough, and we couldn'thear what's being said.
We don't know if there was atip.
We don't know.
There's a lot of unknownfactors.
So let's be fair and beobjective.

(03:19:30):
Let's not let our biasestowards if we love police, if we
hate police, affect us.

Speaker 6 (03:19:37):
If you can't get the quote, unquote bad guy today,
because the legal law is notthere.
Wait till the next day period.
If somebody is doing somethingillegal, they're going to keep
doing it.
And you know, for me, I'm ahuge probable cause guy, just
like any any good cop out there.
If I don't have probable causedirectly in front of me, I'm

(03:19:58):
leaving it alone.
I will catch them the nextfriggin time that they do that,
and it may take years, but havethe reason to do it, you know,
and it's yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 9 (03:20:12):
I'll highlight this one.
I believe the suicide rate isso high right now because cops
grow conscious later in life.
Or I'll propose another one.
There's four cops or formercops here just told you that
there's a lot of lack of supportfor cops in the community right
now, and they just see thatthere's no end in sight.
Because they just listened tocomments for the last two or
three hours, three and a halfhours, of how we're all bad, no

(03:20:34):
matter what.
We're bad, bad, bad, bad.
You're nothing but bad.
You can't do good, you're abootlicker.
Maybe, maybe that's a reason.
Maybe they need a little bitmore support.
Maybe because they're goingfrom a dead baby call to this
call.
Maybe they're human too.
Maybe, all the time that we go,all the cops are all bad.

(03:20:56):
Well, they're dealing withpeople for a reason.
Yeah, like, if you want me tohighlight the thousands and
thousands and thousands andthousands and thousands of times
that police are heldaccountable, okay, how much more
?
What?
What is it that you're wanting?
You just want to be able to goscot-free and do whatever you

(03:21:17):
want.
That's what's.
That's what it is.
Or you just want to complain toto complain, but to say that
suicide's raised because theygrow conscience.
That's.
That's horrible.
That's a horrible thing to saybecause the people in that video
we just watched, they said 60shots in five seconds.
They all ran towards thegunfire yeah, yeah, so it it

(03:21:40):
sucks.

Speaker 1 (03:21:40):
I, I hope anybody that has mental health issues
inside of law enforcement,outside of law enforcement.
I hope you guys are able tohelp get that, because Well,
mental health in this entirecountry needs addressing.

Speaker 6 (03:21:51):
Yeah, and I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I
can't go out there.
But how do we do that?
I don't care who you are, Idon't care who you are, you're
going to go out there just beinga motorist on our roads and you
could be exposed to apost-traumatic stress syndrome
of an event that happens.
You've got to get help for it.

(03:22:14):
You've got to go talk tosomebody for it, period.
We're not He-Man, superman,whatever you know, super,
whatever.
You've got to go get help forthat.
If you think that you don't,that's the problem.
Go talk to somebody.

Speaker 1 (03:22:26):
Yep, absolutely All right, I got, I got one more
video here and then we'll we'llcall it, and we've been going
almost three and a half hours,so I want to.
I want to get this guy here.
We're going to go share ourInstagram page real quick.
We're going to click on thisguy.

(03:22:46):
Okay, let me get this out ofthe way.
Oh, that's not what I want.

Speaker 10 (03:22:53):
They wanted you to say it earlier, so you're going
to have to just put it in there,even though you couldn't say
biggie size earlier.
Oh yeah, you're going to haveto say it anyway, I'm going to
try to biggie size this one.

Speaker 1 (03:23:06):
I I'm.
I don't know why it's notletting me okay you guys may
have to watch this weird.
I don't know why it's allsquished together like oh, maybe
it's because I'm too far zoomedin, that's why there we go.
Okay, now let's try.

Speaker 9 (03:23:22):
You're trying to be social with your media.
Not much just walking around.

Speaker 8 (03:23:25):
Videotaping the police department is not a good
idea.
Why?
You guys are friendly people.
We are, but why are we doingthis?
Why wouldn't we?
Because it's a security issuefor us, is it?
It is?
I don't think so.
It is it's public property.
It is public property, but ourperimeter and our gates and what
our activities are, it's aconcern to us.
Why are we doing that?
I don't have to have a reason.
You don't have a reason.
I don't have to have one.

(03:23:46):
Okay, do you have a driver'slicense?
I can see I don't.
What is your name?
I'm not going to give that toyou.
You're not going to give it tome.
No, why would I give it to you?
I haven't done anything wrong.
Well, you're recording ourproperty.
You're recording our building,sure, and it's a security issue.
Am I being detained?

Speaker 6 (03:23:59):
you are okay until I can get you identified what's
your reasonable, because I wantto make sure you're not doing
something that's a problem forour law enforcement community,
looking to create a problem herefor us?
No, not at all, I'm beingpolite and cordial.
I'm being polite, cordial tooI'm asking a little bit of a
verse so we can identify you.

Speaker 8 (03:24:12):
I don't need to and be on our way.
Why would I need to identifymyself?
Because I'm asking you toidentify yourself.
What's your name and badgenumber?
My name, good, so you have tohave refusing to identify
yourself?
Well, there's no need to.
39, 16.
Are you a supervisor?
Okay, you just called for asupervisor.
I did there you go.

Speaker 1 (03:24:29):
Thank you, oh, officer.
Sorry, I didn't mean to show mypart um oh, that pisses me off.
Yeah, I got so aggravated onthis video um, is it really that
easy?
yeah, and and admittedly Iclipped it up because when you
do shorts and reels, guys, it'sgot to be under three minutes.
So that video was a littlelonger and it was just it was
back and forth between those two.

(03:24:49):
But this, this auditor doeswonderful and is 100 percent
right and this cop is 100percent wrong.
And luckily a supervisor showsup and ends up putting the
officer and telling him what islegal and not legal.
But it was apparently andpainfully obvious that this

(03:25:09):
officer, his training was badand he didn't know any better.
So the question becomes likehow do we fix this fucking?

Speaker 10 (03:25:20):
issue becomes like how do we fix this fucking issue
?
Well, I mean you first.

Speaker 1 (03:25:27):
You have to start start with the fact that he uh
went to the best barber in town,yeah yeah, yeah, so I'm, I'm
not, I'm not a fan, and we'vediscussed this before.
Do you have to id?
No, and everybody's been sayingin the comments all night like
there's that id crack that weget as cops and we've talked
about this before, but we'lltalk about it tonight because we

(03:25:48):
still have a ton of people fromLong Island's page on here and
everything.
So basically, people are likewhy are cops so ID crack addicts
?
Like?
There's several reasons.
One we're information gatherers.
So, as long island said, youknow tonight, it doesn't hurt to
ask, it's not illegal to ask.

(03:26:09):
So cops are going to always askbecause their information
gathers.
That's how they're trainedtrained to get as much
information as we can on anycalls that we're dealing with.
Um, because we've been burned inthe past where the suspect was
on scene and we didn't even knowthey were there, because we're
like well, I don't have a reasonto ID them, so they don't even
bother.
So it's that whole attitude itdoesn't hurt to ask.

(03:26:29):
Now the real question isknowing the difference between
when you can demand it versuswhen you can't, and that's where
we start to get in trouble andthat's where this guy was going
to start going down that path ofwell, if you don't give me your
ID, then you're going to getarrested for failure to ID,
which that does not meet theelements.
Failure to ID is a secondaryoffense once you've been

(03:26:51):
arrested.
So, for everybody listening,failure to ID is a secondary
offense once you've beenarrested.
So glad we're getting that onceyou've been arrested.
So I'm glad we're getting that,um, but anyway, uh, anybody got
anything else?

Speaker 10 (03:27:09):
to add on that one, I think it's no, it's pretty
straight pretty straightforward.

Speaker 1 (03:27:11):
Yeah, it was terrible .

Speaker 9 (03:27:12):
Um, we could definitely do better the one
thing that, like you ask how doyou make change?
And a lot of sadly, the only wayyou make change is you hit them
in the pocketbook and an agencylike the way that this stuff
gets in the pocketbook and anagency like the way that this
stuff gets paid out, it's itdoesn't affect them the way that
you think it does.
So I would say, just keep doingwhat you're doing with these
audits and post them online,because I guarantee, if I was

(03:27:36):
still an active cop, and one ofmy officers that I was in charge
of or I representative, showedup on one of these audit videos
and they failed miserably.
You don't think that I'm goingto shame them in front of the
entire shift.
Yeah, this is what you don't doas an example of what to do and
make it a training, but I'mgoing to shame them so they know

(03:27:57):
that, hey one, you did not good, but you did not good and
everybody else sees that this iswhat this is, not an example of
what to be doing yeah, yeah,this is a really good question
by city bangers, pyro, cool name.

Speaker 1 (03:28:11):
Do you think these auditors, particularly the bad
ones, will actually hurt ourrights by congress changing laws
to prevent filming?
Someplace by the constitutionman, yes, you're protected by
the constitution, but I think tohis point.
Do I think that there's goingto be some corrupt politicians
that try to get things?

Speaker 8 (03:28:28):
changed I think so.

Speaker 1 (03:28:29):
I think they will.

Speaker 10 (03:28:29):
Well, it's just like some of our states that you
have to notify recordings andall that kind of stuff.

Speaker 9 (03:28:38):
Two-party states and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 (03:28:40):
Two-party states and stuff like that.
It's hard enough to know.
Um, yeah, I think they're goingto try.

Speaker 1 (03:28:48):
Yeah, I think so too.
Um, I, I, I do think thatthat's that's going to be.
I think is a great question.
I think that's something that,uh, certain States will start to
try to push.
That you know for sure.
Yeah, yeah, City.
Push that you know for sure.
Yeah, yeah, city, city pyro uhI do think it's such a cool name
.
Um, yeah, I think that I thinkyou know one of the things I was

(03:29:10):
thinking about during the showtonight.

Speaker 10 (03:29:12):
You know, um, about everybody asking for id and
things like that.
I guess I never I didn't runinto it as much because nobody
around here has their id withthem, nobody, like it's always
name, you know what's your name,you know, and then we kind of
have to go on faith that they'regiving us the right name.
And every once in a while youget into the jail.

(03:29:32):
That they weren't, but theyprobably, if you looked up in
their history, it's because theyhad given a wrong name at the
jail in the past and so I didn'trun into that as much as I
guess a lot of others did,because nobody around here ever
has their ID with them.

Speaker 9 (03:29:50):
So yeah, I was federal, so every time I made
contact with someone they had tohave an ID, because it's all on
federal property.
It's a completely differentballgame because for our side of
law enforcement, for that whenwe're IDing people, it's not
necessarily just to ID them ofwho are you.

(03:30:10):
It could be.
Who are you?
Are you part of this country?
Should you be here?
Do you have authorization to behere?

Speaker 6 (03:30:16):
The area where you patrolled, you had to have
authorization to be in the quoteunquote public spaces of
whatever it was.
So it's a little bit different,yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:30:27):
But we did run into, like the first amendment,
auditors and things like thatand you'd get cause we had
contractors that would work withthe gates and stuff like that.
And you get them calling me andbe like, well, I'm like they're
on a sidewalk.
If anybody can walk up and downthat sidewalk, all I can do is
go, hey, what are you doing?
And we're, we're watching,we're seeing the same thing that
they're doing.
Would you not think that wehave cameras too?

(03:30:49):
I'm going to follow them totheir car.
I can find out where, I can findout all kinds of information
about that person without evenmaking contact with them.
So they're not doing anythingillegal.
And if I think that they'redoing something suspicious, I
can gain some intel on it.
So if down the road somethinghappens, I detective says, hey,

(03:31:09):
we had someone doing some reconover here and he was looked like
they were filming.
I'm like, oh well, I seenbanning and that you know 98 red
pontiac grand prix over here,and this was the license plate
like three days ago, like ifthey're videotaping stuff, it's
one's 2025.
The amount of time in the daythat you spend not on a camera
is less.

Speaker 1 (03:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:31:26):
The amount of time that you spend on a camera.

Speaker 6 (03:31:29):
Well, guys they need to make a.
They need to make a grand prixwith more leg room.
I don't fit in those very well.
We've been going three and ahalf hours.

Speaker 1 (03:31:38):
So I I'm going to tap out.
I think this is a good breakingpoint for everybody who
listened or watched tonight.
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(03:32:43):
into troll and decided to throwa couple of good questions our
way, thank you we.
We honestly, we try.
Um, it is very hard to get copsto come to the table and have
these discussions and I thinkit's more important than ever
that we do and I think we'retrying and, uh, we, we've done
the best that we know how to do.
This is a different median thatnobody's ever really done and

(03:33:10):
it's again, we're trying toavoid being a cop echo chamber.
I know it sounds like we're copsplaining sometimes.
I'm sorry, it's just the natureof the beast.
Sometimes you're going to getsome cop splanations.
We try not to, but you guyskeep us level.
You guys keep us.
You know, listening to a sideof our life that we haven't done
in a long time Cause we've allbeen in law enforcement for so

(03:33:30):
long.
So this this keeps us even andI thank you guys a lot.
So, everybody, thank you fortuning in tonight.
Again, thank you to Tim and MrBillfold for helping us out to
pull up some really good videosfrom Long Island and Banning.
You got anything.

Speaker 6 (03:33:47):
No man, Thanks to Alan Deadleg being in the
background helping this thingrun smooth.
Sean, thank you for coming onour show.
If you ever happen to catch theend of this, it was a treat for
us to have you on here.
I know you're a busy guy andkeep doing what you're doing out
there.
These other guys that are doingthe First Amendment audits,
that are doing it right, goforth and conquer.
We'd love to have you on ourshows here.

(03:34:09):
We're all human.
Here.
We all put our pants on thesame way every day.
The Constitution is amazing andwe're here to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (03:34:18):
You got anything to take off with Deadleg.

Speaker 9 (03:34:22):
No, I'm ready for bed .

Speaker 1 (03:34:23):
All right, alan Same here.

Speaker 10 (03:34:26):
Okay, I look forward to seeing you guys next week.
We try to do this once a week,guys.

Speaker 1 (03:34:31):
Yeah, If I wasn't able to get to your comments
tonight, I apologize.
Tony, I love it.
Thanks for the art buddy.
Yeah, there was just too manyguys.
We had like 3,000 people, Ithink, at our peak maybe four,
and we just could not keep up.
There's too many.
So I do apologize if we didn'tget to it.
We did our best.
But yeah, everybody else,Thanks for tuning in.
Have a good night Later.

(03:34:52):
Appreciate it guys.

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