Surviving a Shotgun Blast: Houston Gas's Remarkable Journey

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I am your host, eric Levine.
With me is the BanningSweatland and our special guest
tonight, the former retireddeputy Houston Gas.
What's up, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey, what's up guys?
How are y'all?
Thank y'all for having metonight.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Not a problem, sir, Not a problem.
So we're going to give people alittle bit of time to jump on
here, Going to give you a littlebit of the background of what
we got going on tonight.
So when you do listen to thisaudio later, this episode is
going to be about Houston andhis situation in law enforcement
.
Basically, long story short.
Houston got blasted and facedby a shotgun.

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So if you care to hear thatwhole story, we're going to talk
about it and we got somegraphic pictures.
Houston shared all of thepictures throughout his process.
We're going to be sharing allof those and we're going to be
talking about that story andthen we're going to jump into
our body cam live reviews andthat's what we do.

(01:50):
So if you're listening, you'relike what are you talking about?
We've never watched you beforeand we want to know what the
body cam live reviews is.
What we do is we pull up abunch of random body cam videos
that we've never watched,hopefully, and if we have
happened to watch them, we'lltell you we've seen it.
We'll kind of back away from it, but we will watch these body
cams live and we will pretend asthough we're the officers in

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the call and then we'll pause itand we'll discuss as they get
going of how we would respondand you're like, okay, what's
the benefit to that?
The benefit is you kind of getan inside look at how training
in policing is, and it can varyfrom state to state, city to
city, officer to officer.
So having Houston on here, he'sgoing to be able to partake in

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that stuff as well and go off ofhis training and experience.
Banning's going to be able to gooff his I'm going to go off
mine and, yeah, gives you guys achance to chit-chat with us and
discuss.
Now, if you are partaking inthe discussion, we have
something new to offer to you.
We opened up a Discord channel.

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So if you can check out thechat, I'm going to post that one
more time in here and inviteyou guys to come over to that.
We are really starting to takethe Discord serious.
We're going to start using itin combination with our what's
up.
Steve Wallace, I see he's in thehouse.

(03:19):
I just want to make sure I sayhello to Steve.
He always makes every episode.
But what we're going to do withour Discord channel is we're
going to offer you somebehind-the-scenes stuff.
We're also getting a Patreongoing.
So what we're going to do iswe're going to offer some
behind-the-scenes stuff, somepre-game stuff, so like as we're
prepping for the show, and thensome post-game stuff.

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And another thing that we'regoing to offer you guys on the
Discord channel when you sign upwith our Patreon and stuff like
that is a members-only channelto discuss and talk with the
TCOD crew, and then we're alsogoing to start trying to offer
Q&A sessions with all of ourspecial guests.
So, for instance, if we had itset up which we don't yet
because it's still new, but thisis the idea we would have

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Houston on after the show andthen you guys would be able to
jump in there and ask thequestions and talk to him about
more of what he had to talkabout for the show.
So what do you think about thatbanning?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I think it's awesome, man, and I think it's a it's a
great idea.
I mean just our, our bloopers,if you will, when we're going
through the technical.
You know I've been doing thiswith you for over a year and I
still can't control all deleteout of a wet paper bag, man, and
you helped me througheverything.
Houston and I are probably bothkind of on the same level.
We're operators out there inthe field.
We can deal with the bad stuff,just like you.

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But you have that technicalbackground and you've learned a
lot, Eric.
But Houston now is learning itbecause he's retired and I'll
let him say what company he'sworking for and everything.
But I think it's a great idea,man, it's.
It's going to be huge thediscord, the patreon, everything
and I think our community isgoing to love it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
yeah, we're trying.
And, guys, when we, when we getto talking about the money
situation, when we're like, yeah, donate to our page.
This is why the money thatyou've put into youtube with us
and and I found out from ourcommunity, from people like Mr
Billfold and Harrison Brock andsome of these other guys YouTube
is ripping us off.
I hope we don't get taken offalive for saying that they're

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getting close to half of whatyou guys are donating.
Which cool.
They're giving us a platform toget out there, but we've grown
enough now that we can startoffering stuff back, so we're
trying to upgrade for you all.
Like I said, the money doesn'tgo to us.
We put it back into the show sowe can produce better things.
Mike Cucumber what's up, brother?
Thanks, I love the last nametoo.
Is that your real last name,mike?

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Is it really Cucumber?
Because I know he heard all hislife.
I'm as cool as Mike.
Who is it life?
I'm as cool as Mike.
Cool as a cucumber.
There we go, mr Billfold, I sitwith Alan.
Alan was having internettroubles.
I don't know if he's going tobe able to get on here tonight
or not.
Usually he's in the background,but we weren't able to do that

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tonight.
But yes, mike, thank you verymuch for the donation.
Another thing that we have tooffer to you guys before mr
billfold, are you okay, mike?
Uh, before you guys get goingtoo crazy on the youtube
donations, like I said, theytake all of our money.
So another thing we have is wejust got set up on buy me a

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coffee, so I am gonna pull thatup and offer that as another
spot for you guys to donateinstead of what we've got.
And now I'm looking for thelink.
As I'm talking about it.
Give me one second, y'all, butBanning.
Tell them about talking lastnight what we found out on

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Discord.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Man, it was just.
Obviously, we have a greatcommunity that engages with us
and you guys are truly the onesthat grow this.
You guys tell us what you wantto see.
What I love is you put yourhonest opinions out there.
Mr Bill Fold has zero filter,so we get the 100% honest
opinion and that's what's neededin America and everything.

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So, mr Bill Foldfold, thank youfor that, and everybody else as
well.
I'm just just bringing up one,but there's dozens of you that
do that.
But talking on discord lastnight was really interesting.
It was my first time using anew technology and if I could
figure it out, anybody canfigure it out.
Uh, but all of us being inthere just talking, uh, shooting
the shit, so to speak, andbeing able to click.

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Eric and I were able to clickon our cameras and talk to the
people that are joined with us.
Man, it was freaking amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I liked it, yeah we were up, poor Billfold, I don't
think he slept for work.
So that's another thing that weoffer.
Is you get to Work deprivation?
Yeah, you get sleep deprivation, you don't get to go to work
deprivation yeah, yeah, you getsleep deprivation, you don't get
to go to work.
It's your best, best benefitthere.
Um, but like my cucumber said,I don't answer questions.

(07:52):
perfect, fucking answer which itdoes bring up a good point.
Listen, there's nothing anybodycan do to make you talk, nope.
So if you feel uncomfortable,say, say I don't answer
questions.
It works, works every time thatcops start questioning.
Don't answer questions.
Um, marine blood, I want togive him a shout out.

(08:13):
He has been instrumental, alongwith Brian Thompson, uh, alan
and um, dead leg, uh, gettingthis discord up and running
properly.
My cousin is now in the fold.
I tried to give him adminrights, but I don't know how to
work it that well, so I don'tthink I gave him permissions on
being able to do that.
So, but yeah, eric, it's alllisted in the Discord, so it

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should be easy to find.
Yeah, well, one of the problemsis the donations channel isn't
showing up for people, so that'sone of the things that we were
trying to get up there, so I ampasting the uh, the buy me a
coffee thing if you guys don'twant to give your money to
youtube.
So you've got options.
Uh, we got that going now sowith.

(09:01):
That said, we're 10 minutes in,almost let's get to our guest.
He's over there just twiddlinghis thumbs like what the fuck do
I do?
You guys aren't even talking tome.
I'm good guys, it's good.
Here's what I want, sir.
First and foremost, kind ofgive us your law enforcement
history before we get into yourstory.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Man.
I started my career in 1999with the Texas Department of
Criminal Justice, the prisonsystem.
That's where I cut my teeth at.
I went to the academy in 01,graduated in 02, and been on the
streets ever since, Waspromoted to sergeant, and then I

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was a chief for a little while,and then Banning suckered me
into coming to North Texas.
And here we are now.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Okay, so throughout your career, what did you
specialize in?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Man.
I have been mostly a street copfor the majority of my career.
I spent the majority of my timein the smaller departments.
I've never worked for an agencythat had more than 50 officers
at one time.
So rural Texas has kind ofalways been a passion of mine

(10:18):
and you know there's so much todo and I think a lot of it had
to do with the fact, man, thatyou get to wear so many
different hats.
Sometimes you have to wear toomany hats at one time, but you
get to do.
You get to experience so muchmore of the police world, and
that was always interesting tome and fascinating and I always

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had fun with it.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Nice, what was your favorite thing to kind of go
after?
Were you like a dope chaser?
Were you, you know, chasingafter cattle to get them back
into their farm?
I mean, what'd you do?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
uh, yes, all the above, uh, no, seriously.
Uh, probably one of my favoritethings in my career was, uh,
dwis.
I got pretty good at those.
Busting dope was fun.
But you know that, and I wouldalso have to say domestic

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violence became kind of apassion of mine and everything
through the years and trying tohelp people realize their actual
worth and get out of some ofthe situations that they were in
excellent.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Dwis is a it.
It wasn't for me.
I hated doing them because it,if you don't do them that often
and when you work in a verylarge department, you're going
call to call, to call to call.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
One dwi is going to eat up a lot of your fucking day
several hours, several hours oh, yeah, you're, you're done for
the day and in those situations,by the time you get done, uh,
with the blood work or thebreath work and then your book
in time there, yeah, it's, uh,it's something else yeah, marine
blood, if you're listening, I Imarines blood listening.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I made you admin.
So welcome to the fold, sir.
You've been too instrumentalfor me to not let you have that,
so please don't fuck us up.
That's what's cool about ourcommunity is we've really grown
and we've had the same peoplehere forever Built up a lot of

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trust with a lot of these guys.
Tim is one of them.
He sends me stuff we got MrBillfold helps us out quite a
bit, and then you knowMarinesBlood's stepping up
because he specializes in theDiscord thing.
So please, guys, please, please, please, jump over to that
Discord channel.
We are pushing that.
Push it to everybody that youalready know follows us.

(12:44):
Try to get everybody there,because we I think it really is
taking us to the next level.
I didn't know we had morelevels to get to banning I
didn't either, man, I'm learningit.
I know it's like every day wefind out some new shit to to
keep the country girl goes.
He already blocked somebody.
Hey, I trust him.
If he's blocking, he's blockingthem for a reason.

(13:05):
You guys know I don't silencepeople, but if you're going to
come here to troll and do stupidshit and you're not willing to
come to the table and havediscussions, well why are you
here?
Go away.
I mean, I'm all for a littletrolling.
We'll give you a little bit.
We'll give you a little leewayon trauma, but not too much,
right, steve.
Oh sorry, okay, let's, uh,let's, get into your story once

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you turn your fucking phone off.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
There's a hot mess trying to make sure it was uh on
silent and obviously it wasn'tthat was the opposite of silent
yes, I'm telling you all rightum, before we get in your story,
I want to know you, you two's,history here.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
How did these two start dating?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
well I'm gonna, uh, you know, k Kyle Reyes is the
one at fault for that.
Yeah, kyle Reyes hooked Banningand I together because he knew
we were both in Texas and well,at that point in time Banning

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was planning on a hero's retreatfor guys that had been
seriously injured in the line ofduty and he didn't know a lot.
And, uh, I happened to have theuh, the Rolodex that he needed
and we, we, we ended up kind ofpartnering together and the
friendship kind of just took offfrom there.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Okay, Banning.
What's your take on it?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Man back in what?
2016, 17, summer of somewherein there same thing, kyle Reyes
and basically hooked Houston andI up.
Uh, houston made the drive fromthe frigging panhandle all the
way down to basically theSpringtown area, uh, where I was
currently staying at the time.
And uh, my wife believes somuch in my dream, she's like,

(15:03):
yeah, let's go ahead.
And uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonnaretire from my job and we're
going to sell our house andwe're going to move into a toy
hauler so we can devote as muchas our money, uh, to your dream
of creating this, this nonprofitand uh for-profit venture that
I was doing.
I retired from a larger agency,medium to large agency and uh,
went off and Houston was one ofthe first people I got to meet

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through Kyle, and basicallyHouston made the drive down here
because he understood my heart,kyle's heart, on what we wanted
to do to honor wounded lawenforcement across this amazing
country.
And he came in with a mutualfriend of ours on his land and
we had a badass dinner together,broke bread, maybe even had an

(15:49):
adult beverage I don't remember,I'm not sure what day it was.
It ended with Y, but it mayhave been one of those days had
a great talk, man.
Literally less than a monthlater, we put an event together.
This event, with Houston's helpand some other folks help, we
were able to bring in I thinkthe first one was 32 heroes
across the country with Houston,houston being the main liaison

(16:12):
in the middle, helpingcoordinating everybody there,
Cause we have, you know, some ofour heroes are in wheelchairs,
some of our heroes just justhave mobility issues and that's
going to come with with with thephysical injuries.
Then there's those injuriesthat you can't see, and I'm, I'm
, I'm speaking to the mentalones from, from PTS and
everything else.
They can be evolved from goingto these priority calls within

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this career and, yes, we'reaware of that before we enter
this career and you're willingto go through that, houston
being one of them.
But we did that.
The event went off the event,let me tell you something the
event started with a zero budgetand if you were to watch one of
those videos, you'd be like man, that had to be a couple
hundred thousand dollars.
So many amazing businessesstepped up.
We had one business thatbrought over $200,000 worth of

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ammo, full automatic weapons forour guys and gals that wanted
to partake in shooting on thelarge range that we had out
there.
Then we had an ATV shop bringin a whole bunch of ATVs to give
these guys.
A company called CareFlightBrought in some helicopters and
CareFlight's an amazingorganization that does life

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flight helicopters for rescueand medical and everything else
and they came in and did ademonstration and flew.
A couple of our heroes everymorning, from where they slept
over to where we were at inHouston, was my logistics guy.
He, even though he's one of theheroes getting honored uh, he
was radioed up, phoned up,helping us, doing everything
every morning, handing out theawards, doing it all.

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And then we had, you know, acouple of events after that and
then COVID hit, you know, andthen we're kind of in the mud
right now, but we'll get back upand going someday.
But that's how Houston and Igot to meet each other and I did
.
I talked Houston into comingdown here.
Houston, at the time when I methim, was a chief up in a small
town.
He's going to go into that and Isaid, hey, man, there's a
sergeant's position open, agreat town where we're at.

(18:05):
It seems amazing, why don't?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
you come down here and take the sergeant spot.
That's so weird, that's such anodd thing to me.
So, guys, when he's saying,coming into another department
and taking a supervision spot,you know that.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
First, real supervisor, and it's the most
important.
Houston believes that too.
Being that sergeant, especiallyin a small to medium-sized
agency, I mean you're makingsplit-second decisions that can
be career-inducing and Houston'sgot a good head on his
shoulders.
But we met and then so he washere what a year, year and a
half.
And then you reached out yeah,something like that and then I
retired from the large agency,came up and I was running

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everything With that.
My office was here on MainStreet, was here on main street
and I want you to picture like auh, uh, a filming area from
land man.
I mean, hell it's, it's beenfilmed up here with the old
County courthouse.
It's a square with all thebusinesses.
I had one right in that square,um, and Houston came in and
he's like hey, man, you know, wegot another sergeant's position
now and I retired.

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I just retired out of law,matter of fact.
I was growing a beard then aswell and I had to pray about it.
I love this city and I had topray and I ultimately said yes,
I came in, went through my twohours of training and went out
on the street and startedfiguring things out.
Houston was a big help on thatand I got my first paycheck and

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I thought the city managerforgot to add two or three zeros
jokingly, because I was used toa larger agency.
And I thought the city managerforgot to add two or three zeros
jokingly because I was used toa larger agency.
And it gave me one hell of alot more respect for these guys
who work in the rural areas foras a bag boy type pay, if you
will, for what they're doing.
So that's how we met and it'sand it's and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And it's been a good friendship ever since.
Oh yeah, for sure, man, andthat's you know.
You talk about the paychecks,man.
That's how you know God exists,man, because we can't survive
on that paycheck.
It's absolutely a miracle everyweek.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Oh, yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, my mom was the first one to donate on.
Buy me a cup of coffee or buyme a coffee.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I wish she would do that.
She's such a large supporter,so that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So thank you, mom.
That's the other weird thingabout the buy me a coffee thing
is it doesn't.
It's not as fun, it doesn'tscroll up on YouTube and all
that stuff, so I have to like bepaying attention while we're
doing it, if somebody happens tohit that up.
So I am trying to pay attentionwhile we're watching the show.
Thank you very much.

(20:28):
No, my mom is not lying.
She does buy me socks andunderwear for Christmas every
year.
That's a good mom should.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It is man.
People can laugh at that allthey want, but a good son enjoys
that and understands howimportant that is.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Marine blood on the rolls and stuff.
You do what you think isnecessary, brother, I don't know
what's going on.
So, hannah, sorry Odeshi, Ilove listening to Banning.
He talks, military talk.
I didn't want to join themilitary, so I joined the Air.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Force.
Hey hey, at ease Getting outand getting a 25.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Listen.
In the Air Force we had a veryhard regiment of golfing in the
afternoons.
It's sweaty, hot golfing in themiddle of the day, guys, I
promise you.
So give a shout out to my adminon Two Cops, one Donut Facebook
group.

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Natalie.
She's jumping on and telling methat she's doing some admin
stuff on Facebook right now.
So I appreciate all your hardwork, all my admins that help us
out and believe in the missionand doing what we're doing.
So while we're sitting heretalking about things we
appreciate, you know what Iappreciate Banning.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I appreciate this Retro Rifle shirt that I'm
wearing.
This is my Tom Selleck, so thisis the Magnum PI.
Highly recommend you guys go toRetro Rifle.
Tell them there is no discountcode they don't do discount
codes or anything like that butjump on there.
Let them know.
Two Cops One Donut sent you.
At least they know you camefrom us.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
And don't have Sticker shock looking at a
picture of a shirt when you getthese friggin' shirts in the
mail.
Yeah, I only have one.
I'm going to get moreEventually.
I've just been busy.
It's one of the highest qualityshirts I've ever owned.
Don't have it on tonight.
I happen to be wearing it, Ithink yesterday or the day
before, so I'll maybe bring itout again in a week or two.
But great shirt man.

(22:30):
Absolutely fantastic shirts.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
What I like about them besides the hidden gun
feature, where there's alwayshidden guns all over them is
they don't stain easy Like you'dreally have to rub something
into them.
Most of the time you can wipeit off like, so it doesn't keep
in, um, and they don't fuckingwrinkle right.
So you can cram it in a bag andthen when you get done, uh it,
it comes right out like it's.
It's nice, it's always right,yeah you can spill a cold beer

(22:53):
or water or whatever on it itjust and one of my other
favorite features that we don'treally ever talk about the
collar is buttoned, so you canunbutton it and go more relaxed
or you can.
You know a little more businessand I like having it buttoned,
but if if I'm laying around thepool or whatever oh yeah, take
it down.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, go a little informal great I like the party
, I try to tell everybody aboutit and also don't forget, you
know, can we can talk about theghost patch as well.
Yeah, make sure you guys go toghostpatchcom.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
You can get our badges, you can get our patches,
like what Banning just showed.
We have a we have an actualpatch, I believe and we have a
coin.
So you guys can, if you wantsome something tangible to hold
on to from Two Cops One Donut,go to ghostpatchcom and type in
Two Cops, one Donut.
You'll find all the stuff thatwe have available there.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Just real quickly, before Houston goes into his
story, I'm going to give mydaughter Shelby a shout out.
She's about to be 10 years old.
This is the first one she'sgoing to be able to sit Not
through the when we break downthe body camera stuff.
Obviously I'm a good dad, butshe knows Houston Houston is uh,
is uh, another father figure toher and if anything ever

(24:09):
happened to me he'd he'd fall inthat role in a heartbeat.
So she's in the living roomwatching this on the big screen.
Uh.
So shout out to my daughterShelby and I know Houston's
family's probably watching thisas well.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Oh yeah, A hundred percent Love that little girl.
Man, 100% Love that little girlman Good old Ronda.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Rousey that she is.
That's right, holy shit.
Shout out to Harrison Brock.
He just dropped $100 on us onour buy me a coffee.
Harrison, thank you very much.
Harrison does throw membershipsat everybody.
He was like not today, nottoday.
You two have been getting toomuch of that money.

(24:47):
Harrison, thank you very much.
I think Harrison really enjoyedthe live chat last night Cause
he was on there.
So big shout out to HarrisonAppreciate Harrison.
Harrison loves sharing Kentuckyvideos with me.
Man, he shares all the Kentuckytrooper shit because they got a
lot of corruption shit going onout there.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Houston's wife just commented over there on the
right.
Jessica Gast on there.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
She said I'm here.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
She's a pretty awesome lady.
I'll give her that man.
She's put up with my shit overthe years, so we're good.
He said okay, just checking.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, magnum, he said Okay, just checking, didn't
want you to upset him.
Yeah, they don't have a link onthe webpage because that wasn't
really part of the deal that weworked out.
It was kind of an informalhandshake type thing, like
Retro's not paying us, they'resending us shirts every once in
a while, so that's kind of thedeal.
You guys see me in every video,you see me in.
I usually have a retro rifleshirt.
That was the deal.

(25:45):
So you guys just get to see himwith Mr Bill, kentucky,
kentucky, kentucky.
He's concerned about where helives, man, nothing wrong with
that.
Okay, houston, you got a storyto tell, brother.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I do, I, do, I do.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I want to.
I want that nice, gorgeousvoice of yours to get up to that
mic, get cozy and we're goingto go with an uninterrupted
story time.
I want you to lay it down.
Tell us what the weather waslike that day.
What did you have for breakfast?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
And then get into what happened.
Okay, well, so that morning itwas January 6, 2015.
It was brutally cold in theTexas Panhandle that morning.
I think I woke up and it waslike five degrees Got up.

(26:40):
Actually, I got home from workthat night about 3 am because we
were pretty shorthanded and sowe had to cover everybody's days
off.
From the supervisor'sstandpoint, I was covering the
midnight shift until 3 am.
The day shift patrol sergeantcalled me up at 9.15 in the

(27:03):
morning and said he needed helpbecause he was getting hammered
with calls, and so I tried toget a hold of my troops on my
shift and of course you know,they said not today, satan, and
didn't answer their phone.
So whenever you're thesupervisor in charge and you get

(27:27):
called for help, youautomatically go in.
So me and the wife wereactually supposed to meet for
lunch that day, which wasn't anuncommon thing to have to cancel
plans because of work relatedactivities.
Work-related activities goingon getting called into these
small places like that, it justhappens.
So called her, let her know hey, I got to go to work.

(27:53):
They're getting hammered onwith calls.
I had a couple of guys sittingout at the hospital man on a
particularly violent mentalpatient and calls were coming in
and it was a Tuesday morning soit was kind of a weird day but
for whatever reasons, tuesday'salways one of those days that
always just kind of hammered myass over the years of my career.

(28:17):
So you just kind of got used toit.
So I go to work at, I go onduty at 1045.
And as soon as I went on dutythe day ship patrol supervisor
was calling for extra units tocome to his location on North
Nelson street.
So I was like, well, I guessthat means me.

(28:43):
I showed up, my lieutenantshowed up and a detective showed
up because every other unit inthe city which we only had four
other units on duty at the time,every other unit in the city
was all out on other calls ortaking care of the mental
patients that they had up at thehospital care of the mental

(29:04):
patients that they had up at thehospital.
So I show up on scene andthere's some vehicles there.
I'm talking to the day shiftsupervisor and getting a low
down what's going on and it's adomestic disturbance where a
shot had already been fired.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Luckily, about that point in time, as soon as I
showed up on scene man, the girlcame out.
So hold on, this is a domesticright.
Yes, okay, so you got domestic.
Domestic is one of the mostdangerous calls.
For those that aren't toofamiliar with police work, I
think even you guys knowdomestics are arguably the most
dangerous on-scene calls that weget, other than being on a
traffic accident.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And if you don't know it as a domestic, you may know
it as family violence, familywithin the household, with the
people you work or you live with.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yep, okay, houston, I want you to continue.
I want you to push your micaway a little bit.
We're getting some pops and theother hard part.
You're a hand talker, I can see.
Don't hit your desk whileyou're talking.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
You ought to hear this dude when he comes and
knocks on your door to make yougrab your gun.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
We did tell that joke Cop, knock Cop knock.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So, as we're gathering intel and figured out
that the girl had gotten out,we're figuring out who's in the
house and what he's got, and weknew that he was potentially
armed with a 12-gauge shotgun.
But also, at the same time,while we were setting up our
perimeter around the housebecause, you know, being

(30:51):
shorthanded, uh, it was kind oftough to get that done we had to
call in the county and and thattook a few minutes for them to
get there, uh, because of wherethey were at.
And then the next thing, know,we get a call that there is
potentially somebody walkingaround with a shotgun in their
hand about a block, maybe two,behind where we were at, just to

(31:17):
the west of us.
So they free that up and whilewe're doing that, we go ahead
and make the decision to makeentry into the house.
Whenever we made entry into thehouse, man, you know you can,
you can, you can smell certainsmells, and whenever you think

(31:39):
about it, man, you can justbring it up.
Well, that's exactly the waythis house was.
It had that lovely meth smell toit, with cheap cigarettes and
cheap candles and cat pisseverywhere.
So we go in there.

(32:00):
This house is just absolutelyjust disgusting.
We're searching over everything.
We go tactically.
We're going room to roomsearching, not finding anything.
And at this time, just so youknow, I've got the sergeant,

(32:22):
I've got a detective and thelieutenant is in this lineup
whenever we're coming in.
So you know, normally at mostagencies the lieutenant and the
sergeants aren't going to be in,that they're going to have
their other guys in there whilewe're out directing things, and
that's.
That's how incrediblyshorthanded we were.
Short-handed we were.

(32:52):
But as we got into this, intothe far west room okay, so it
was a really small room, I don'tknow probably 10 by 10,
something like that.
Right Well, in the corner therewas a queen-size bed.
Right across from that was asmall little love seat, little
two-seater couch, and then therewas a closet right there.
We checked everything and thenin that little corner between

(33:15):
the bed and the chair, there wasanother door that went into
another room, and we didn't knowwhat was behind that.
We didn't know if it was like abathroom or a closet or
something like that.
And as soon as I put my hand onthe doorknob man.
The suspect fired through andhit me in the face right here on
the left side and it knocked,knocked all my teeth out.

(33:40):
It split my chin.
My chin was sitting down aboutright where my collarbone is at
right here on the right side,and what didn't enter, what
didn't enter into my face and myneck, went into my chest and my
bicep.

(34:00):
I didn't know what hit me.
I really didn't know what hitme.
It it, it didn't particularlyhurt at the time.
Uh, you know, I think a lot ofthat, man is the adrenaline dump
that we were kind of goingthrough.
Man and your body just doessome amazing things, man,

(34:20):
whenever, uh, whenever you're inthose kinds of situations.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Can I interrupt you for a second Sure?
First I want to thank DrakeSeymour.
He said Houston is such anamazing dude, hard as steel, and
he donated $5 to the show.
So thank you very much, andthat was to you.
Houston and the movies portrayshotgun blasts through a door a

(34:48):
certain way and we all seen itknocked you on your ass 20 feet
back you took a shotgun pointblank through a door.
What did it physically do?
I mean, you told us what it didto your face and your neck and
your shoulders and all that.
What did it physically do toyou as you're standing there?
Did it knock you on your ass?
Did you fly back?
Do you remember it?
Or you on your ass, did you flyback?
Do you remember it?
Or is this what you remember?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh no, I remember everything about it.
No, it knocked me on my ass forsure.
It did knock me back 20 feet.
In fact, through the door therewas about a quarter to half
dollar size hole, and that's it.
I didn't get knocked out duringthat situation, so I was able

(35:32):
to kind of keep functioning, ifyou will Kept trying to get up
and trying to get up and tryingto find things and trying to see
things.
Well then, at that point intime, I realized that my
eyesight was gone.
Uh, I, I, yeah, I completelylost my vision uh, so you're on

(35:53):
scene for an active call, blindas fuck yep everything is just
dark as night, dude, uh, youknow, at that point in time, man
, I had, of course, you know, Ihad my pistol in my hand and
we're, we're going along and,dude, I lost my pistol.
Uh, didn't, didn't know whereit was at.

(36:14):
I kept trying to look for it,kept trying to find it, but also
trying to figure out what inthe hell just hit me, uh,
because literally, it felt like,uh, it felt like a dude, like a
baseball bat had just comethrough, man, with a pickup
attached to it, but literally,man, I couldn't see.

(36:38):
And that kind of got me topanic in a little bit, you know,
because oh, oh shit, I'msitting here, I can't see where
am I at, what am I doing?
Then, then, all of a sudden, man, you know, like I said,
initially it didn't hurt, but atthe same time, man, then, oh
man, your, your mind startsgoing crazy.

(37:00):
At that point in time, man, Istarted thinking about so many
different things, man, crazy, atthat point in time, man, I
started thinking about so manydifferent things, man, you know,
uh, on that particular day,okay, I'll tell you, we, me and
my wife had just, we had justgot, to the six month point of
our marriage, man, me and herare pretty freshly married.
How long have you been marriednow?

(37:21):
Since 11, 11 years now.
Okay, yeah, we got married in14, july of 14, and I got shot
in January of 15.
So, you know, six months.
So, and just to give you anidea kind of who my wife is, man
, my wife is an incredible womanand she's been through so much,
she's been through so much.

(37:42):
And at that point, so, uh, backin back in 13, her, her first
husband, uh, rest his soul.
Uh passed away.
Uh, he was a, uh, he was a, uh,a jailer at another county in
here in Texas and, uh, somethinghappened and he, he took his

(38:03):
own life.
You know, the job is just kindof one of those things, man.
It does that to so manydifferent people and you know,
so, at that point in time, man,she kind of felt like that maybe
she was a curse or somethinglike that and she couldn't have
been anything further from thetruth.
On that man, she ended up beingmy rock for a lot of different

(38:26):
things, man.
So, yeah, big shout out to herfor sure excellent um she is one
hell of an amazing.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
His whole family, uh, experienced this and and we're
about to, when eric's ready andhouston's ready, we're about to
show y'all some some pictures.
Um, and this is not we're aboutto show you all some pictures.
This is not to distract anybodyfrom what we're doing.
You guys are living this momentright now.
It's not very often you get tojump into somebody's life when

(38:57):
this is happening and whenHouston is doing this, eric is
going to occasionally throw somepictures up there.
You guys are going to actuallysee what he, what he, his, his
appearance was prior to to hisappearance, going through
everything and all the way upuntil now, good.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was going to read thiscomment cause it's fucking
hilarious.
Tim said damn, you said youwere having a guest named
Houston gas.
You never told us about thesecond guest, his big steel
balls.
Holy shit, that is fuckingawesome.
So, yeah, I'll share the screenreal quick and we will actually

(39:37):
let me show this beautiful mugright here.
Sure, all right, guys, this isthat.
I mean, he's got a lot morewrinkles now, um, and uh, little
facial hair, but what I like tocall man makeup.
That's why I have, um, this isman makeup, so that's what our

(39:58):
man looked like prior.
Um, now let's, uh, let's, seewhat the damage that we were
talking about is.
I'm going to go to the x-rayfirst so you guys have an idea
of what the x-ray shows up andhow he has trouble at the TSA.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
And and Houston.
While this is up, explain,explain what folks are saying.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Okay, so what?
You're seeing that right there?
Okay, this, this photograph wastaken a couple months after my
shooting.
At the time I still had a fewteeth left on the top and my jaw
was completely wired shut.
You see the big, big brace thatkind of held my bones together

(40:54):
and everything, because I gotshot to a point to where my bone
will actually never grow backtogether.
It damaged it to a point towhere they had to use use that
to keep, keep everythingtogether.
And then all those lovelylittle white specks are the shot
that hit my face and enteredinto my body, that are still
there to this day and willprobably remain there until the

(41:19):
day that I die.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
One thing about that shot.
Houston gave me a call when wewere both at a at a small agency
up here working together.
I worked all night, I was aboutto get off, he was about to
come in and he just had to sendme a picture of this little
piece of metal on his pillow.
This was probably eight yearsafter he had been injured.
And he's like, and he called me, and houston is so nonchalant
and don't give a you know whatabout anything.

(41:43):
And he's like would youfrigging, look at that?
I was like what do you show me?
He's like that's a piece ofshot.
And so you guys understand shotis a piece of the fragmented
round.
It's the blast inside a shotgun.
You know pistols and riflerounds are small and cylindrical
.
And then a shotgun blast is,you know they call it a spreader
for a reason as gun blasts.
You know they call it aspreader for a reason as it gets
further away from the barrel itopens up with a ton of shot,

(42:07):
like you see in the, in thex-ray, and this shit will just
eventually where it's, it's aforeign object in the body and
your body's amazing, and it'llwork a piece out.
And and he, he frigging sent mea picture of that.
You know, I just ate breakfastand I'm like that's, that's
awesome.
That's a piece of yeah, thatsure enough is.
That's a piece of your freakinginjury coming out of your face.
You might want to get aBand-Aid before you come in.

(42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I got to give a shout-out to my shooter.
At least he didn't use thecheap ammo man.
He used the good, solid steelshot, not the cheap-ass lead
stuff.
You know, I mean that's awesome, good looking out.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Thanks, brother, lead stuff.
You know, I mean, that's uh,that's awesome, good looking out
.
Thanks, brother.
Um, I want to, I want to give ashout out real quick to uh
former officer himself, clayjepson.
Uh, he owns a company calledcode three technology.
Um, and I, I don't even I thisis one of those things.
You guys know, the type ofpeople I surround myself with.
Clay is one of those things youguys know, the type of people I

(43:07):
surround myself with.
Clay is one of those people.
He's like Banning, he's likeHouston.
They have a servant's heartaround everything their friends,
their family, all of this stuff.
Now, when Houston was retiring,obviously he's a young man, look
at him.
He's still willing to work,wants to, wants to help in
another way, and Clay is one ofthose people that took his law

(43:28):
enforcement skills, his niche,and turned it into code three
technology and he stillcontinues to serve.
He serves by hiring lawenforcement.
He serves by offering lawenforcement some of the best
stuff out there at the lowestprice as possible.
This is not a pitch, this isjust a guy that truly wants to
serve.
He has helped two cops, onedonut with zero ask.

(43:50):
He didn't want to be put at thefront.
He didn't want to be a sponsor,he just wanted to help and
helped us out, and the videocamera that you're looking at me
through today he's one of thereasons we have it.
That is the type of guy ClayJepson is, and he is on here
right now because he's the typeof owner of a company that took
the time, as he's hiringsomebody, to say, hey, I don't

(44:11):
want to just get to know you, Iwant to know your family, I want
to know who's representing theHouston Gas family.
And that's what he's sayinghere.
Houston and Jessica are thekindest people, strongest couple
.
Had a chance to have dinnerwith them in the stockyards last
month.
Thanks for connecting Bannon soawesome dude.

(44:32):
And I could go on and on aboutsome of the stuff Clay's doing.
I don't want to say too muchand I don't want to overstep.
Just know that Clay has becomean integral part of what we've
got going on with Two Cops, oneDonut he is certainly a
fantastic man.
Yes, and he helps out lawenforcement across the nation

(44:54):
all the time.
He's recently visited me andmet my guys at work and has
stepped up to help them.
I'm not going to put any of hisbusiness out there, but just
know that we appreciate it.
And, Clay, thank you so muchfor look.
He's supporting his guy.
He's on here watching yourinterview right now because he

(45:15):
supports you.
That's a good.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
And I'm going to tell you right now I'm really,
really, really excited and proudto work for Code 3 Technology.
Clay and his brother-in-law,jim, are just salt of the earth
kind of people.
They saw something in me thatafter 26 years of law

(45:39):
enforcement I didn't see in me.
I just can't thank them enoughBecause they're really the true
kind people here, because whatthey've done for my family,
myself, and what they'reteaching me to do now you can't

(45:59):
teach an old dog new tricks andthey're proving it every day.
So a big shout out to Code 3Technology and what they mean.
And I don't think I could havegone to work for another company
, man, because our beliefsystems align with each other.
We're not car salesmen and weput the relationship first.

(46:21):
Yes, because the relationshipis the most important part of
anything.
Uh, we, we don't give a damn ifwe sell you anything, man.
We just want to make sure thatwe're there to support you and
to support the department that'sout there and make sure that
they have the best uh, best uhequipment possible.
And, uh, and if, if it'ssomething that we don't sell and

(46:46):
we hook you up with somebodyelse, man, we're going to make
sure that we hook you up withthe best.
So big shout out to those guys.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Love it, Love it.
Um.
Okay, let's get back to you,sir, you are the main attraction
here.
I am going to we.
We saw the, we saw the x-ray.
Now let's see graphic.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Graphic warning folks , yes, yes, we have some graphic
images coming up um.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You've been warned, so let me share the screen.
There we go.
Okay, houston, walk us throughokay.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
So that one was probably taken about six, seven
days after the initial shooting.
Uh, obviously you can see that,uh, there's, there's still a
large hole in my face.
Uh, what they tried to do isthey went in and they, they
tried to stitch everything up tothe best of their ability and

(47:44):
at that point in time, with allthe damage that was there, and
if you look down at the picture,you'll see this large puddle of
drool Well, it severed all ofmy saliva glands and I had no
way of controlling anything likethat, and it had eaten through

(48:06):
all of that and they had triedto go in and patch that the best
they could.
But obviously I mean that kindof damage, that close up man,
it's tough to do.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yep, mr Belfold said it's not the departments that
look out for cops like Houston.
It's the individual cops likeClay who are really supporting
actual heroes like Houston, andI think we've seen all too many
examples of police departmentsfailing their officers.
Oh, yeah.
It's very sad, very sad.
You wonder why.

(48:40):
It's hard.
Recruiting's at its lowest forpolicing and you got examples
like Uvalde that caused a lot ofdamage.
But then you've got exampleslike Houston that also cause a
lot of damage.
You got a guy that's out theredoing just sacrificing his whole
freaking being, and this iswhat happens.

(49:02):
This can happen.
A lot of cops hate when I saythis.
Policing is not an incrediblydangerous job.
It has a high potential forsome danger, for very high
danger like this.
It's one of the most difficult.
That's how I argue.
It is one of the most difficultjobs.

(49:23):
I'm not out here.
I don't think we're heroes justbecause we put the uniform on.
We become heroes like this.
This is what this is.
This is what I would define andI know he's gonna shake his
head no, but this is what Iwould define as a hero.
Moment motherfucker gets shotin the face, blinded, still
trying to find his gun, tryingto stay in the fight, trying to

(49:44):
figure out what the hellhappened to him.
So that could have been, youknow, being punch drunk from the
shotgun blast, who knows?
But he didn't tuck tail and run.
So, um, that's a hero.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I mean, he sacrificed his body for somebody he
doesn't even know yeah, and Iyeah, you know, tell you, you
know, for the guys that thatwere there, that that saved my
ass and drug me out of the roomand kept me from getting up.
Man, I will be forever gratefulto those guys, to the officers
that were in the house with methat day, and you know, they're,

(50:18):
they're the in my personalopinion, they're the ones that
were the true heroes, becausethey had to, uh, they had to,
watch what happened to me andand I'm going to tell you right
now, I was not the only personin that house injured that day.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Really, really Okay, so suspect down.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well, he was injured too, but I'm I'm talking more
about, uh, about the guys thathad to watch.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, you know, I wasn't even side of
things.
Yeah, yeah, okay, so I'm gonnakeep going through these
pictures, though let's, let'swalk absolutely um.
Looks like you did get stitchedup here.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yep.
Okay, yeah, I was at thehealing.
I was about the month healingpoint right there.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Okay, so I may have these a little out of order,
houston, sorry You're good.
And I tried to get them thebest that I could, just by
looking at them.
Dang, I'm not going to lie.
A little Harvey Dent, lookright there, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I always wanted a dimple.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Right, you guys will learn.
Cops have a sixth sense ofhumor.
If you don't know that already,keep going.
I think that's the same picture.
Here's a close-up.
Damn, you know what's great,though the hair still can grow
through.
That's a plus, yes, yeah.
So what's great?
Though?
The hair still can grow through.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
That's a plus.
Yes, yeah, okay.
So what's this about?
Okay, so I am fused from myneck, from C4 down to T1, and
that is a result of the shotgunblast, because it comes with a
tremendous amount of torque.
If it doesn't rip your head off, it's going to rip everything
else in between apart, and Ispent years dealing with that

(52:14):
and everything you know, justtrying to make it go away, until
it got to a point to where Ijust couldn't deal with it
anymore and I saw a really greatneurosurgeon and he hooked that
right on up.
But unfortunately, because ofthat blast, I've had to have
three separate neck surgeriesbecause of that.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Damn.
I wanted to hit this commentreal quick, because this is the
shit that we live for.
On this podcast, mike Cucumberwhich is still an awesome name,
by the way said I don't likepolice, but it's impossible for
all but a few to be police.
Humans are imperfect beings andasking humans to be police is a
fool's errand.
That is a deep statement.
It is really.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
No, it is, and, mike, we try to pay attention to all
the comments.
If you've commented beforetonight, I may have missed it.
I believe you're kind of new.
Regardless of your thoughts, weinvite everybody and thank you
for being here and watching thistonight.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, listen, mike, one of the things that we the
whole point of this podcast isto bridge the gap.
I don't want a fucking echochamber.
I want the people that hatecops to be here.
I don't want the people thathate cops to be here.
I don't want the people thatdon't get me wrong, I love
having my pro cop people, you'refine, but I don't need to win
you over.
If you already like police, Ineed to win the people that

(53:33):
don't, and when we avoid thoseconversations, we never fix a
fucking thing.
So we need to have theconversations with people that
just cannot stand police.
It drives my mom nuts and Ifeel bad for my mom because she
just wants to defend her babyboy and she watches every
episode of what I do.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Every episode, never missed one.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
So when they hear a cop hater come on, she can't
help but go.
Mama bear, so be kind to her.
She's just protecting me, but Iwelcome it.
I love it because, if you giveme a chance, we may not agree on
everything, but damn it, let'scome to the table and talk.
That is the point of what we'redoing.
I don't want an echo chamber.

(54:13):
You guys have helped improvehow I act as a cop more than I
ever learned on the streets.
When I first started I waslearning to become a cop.
Doing this has made me a bettercop, because I listen to what
you guys say, I ingest it and Itake it to work throw it any
throw matthew roberts secondfrom the top comment up there um

(54:36):
, I really want to drink a beerwith houston you know, roberts

Speaker 2 (54:39):
and I hey, man, let's , let's make that happen matthew
, we uh, matthew ro.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Matthew Roberts is also an injured police officer.
You know, I haven't even beganto ask Matt if he wants to come
on here, but he's anotherwounded police officer and we
went to the academy together.
He's a great dude.
I mean, we hung out a lot inthe academy and then lives
happened marriages, differentthings.

(55:04):
Matt decided to join the Army.
In the middle of it they cameback and put the uniform on
again.
But I'll let him explain thatstory, for him to say that he's
a selfless guy and Houston, wewill make that happen.
We'll get Matt together.
We're going to sit down andhave a cold beer and enjoy the
life that's right in front of us.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yep 100%.
And I like this from Mac Dumpcold beer and enjoy the life
that's right in front of us.
Yep, and a hundred percent.
And I like this from Magdump hesaid agreed, no need for the
echo chamber.
A hundred percent pro cop, ahundred percent anti -cop and
everybody in between, so we canbridge the gap.
Yes, and you guys havewitnessed.
I do not.
And here's the only time thatyou will probably get banned on
here, and I will always give youa chance to back out, as long

(55:47):
as you don't slander the show,me or the guests.
And all I mean by that is don'tcall them a liar, don't say
that they're doing somethingthat they're really not.
If you want to call them apiece of shit, you want to call
them an ass bag, you want tocall them pig fuck 12, whatever
it is, I don't care.
You can say those things, butdon't lie about them.
I and don't care.

(56:08):
You can say those things, butdon't lie about them.
I, and don't call them liarsand all that.
Don't none of the slander stuff.
I don't like that.
Um, I will give you anopportunity to take it back.
I always do.
I'll tell you.
Okay, hey, this is your warningback off either either
apologize, just don't say itagain.
Whatever it it is and that'snot me trying to.
You can ask anybody in ourcommunity.

(56:28):
It's very hard to get bannedfrom here, so I take that very
serious.
I really want people to sharetheir bad opinion I shouldn't
say bad opinions, having badopinions about cops, having good
opinions about cops, whateverit is, let's talk about it.
I just want you guys to come tothe table and have the
discussions.
So Sally jumped on.

(56:49):
She said you know what?
I want?
To become a baker's dozen.
Sally, you just joined andyou're already jumping on the
baker's dozen.
I appreciate that so much.
We should have warned Sallyabout that.
We just opened up buy me acoffee.
Probably would have been morein her benefit, but it's okay,
we'll take any support we canget.
We do appreciate it.

(57:09):
That is awesome and it justgoes to show what we're doing is
working.
But yeah to what Magdump saidman, I think that speaks volumes
to what we got going on hereand the way that our community
polices itself.
In a way.
I don't like using the wordpolicing, but you guys do take

(57:32):
care of each other in here andit's very cool.
Kathy Belit.
Oh, belv, I'm sorry, it lookedlike a B-I.
It's B-L.
She said I like cops.
I just don't like the corruptones with the big ego.
Yeah, and I'll be the first totell you, being a cop is usually
an alpha-style personality andego comes with it.

(57:52):
You do need ego to do the job,but you need to be aware of your
ego.
Magdum, don't be a Ladner.
Exactly, exactly, so okay, oops, I accidentally clicked another
one.
Um, let's, uh, let's, keepgoing with this.

(58:13):
So you got fused here.
Um, let's go to the nextpicture.
Who's this guy?
And?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
that's the guy that shot me.
Okay, and you know I'm going totell you right now I don't hate
the dude, I really don't.
We'll go into that in here alittle bit though.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
And I'm already starting to tear up from that
one comment you fucker, that'sso fucking deep man.
I hate you right now.
Don't make me cry on this.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Don't be a puss man.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I get so emotional and stuff like that.
I had a guy on here that wasconvicted for like 56 years and
he did deserve to go to jail fora little bit, but the guy that
killed his family memberadvocated for his release and
when he started telling thestory about how he forgave that

(59:11):
guy and he had shot him and inretaliation type thing, I like
it.
It gets me dude.
So when you say that like it,just it's fucking hard.
So sorry, keep going, bud, I'llbe okay, but he's such an idiot

(59:32):
I get.
I hate when I get you're goodman

Speaker 3 (59:35):
yeah hey, I'm gonna interrupt for a second man, just
only because this picture is upand, like I said, I've known
houston for a long time now andI consider him one of my best
friends.
I know we both take the shirtoff our backs for each other and
we have within our careerdealing with the shit that we
dealt with and we're not goingto go into that because we'd
need about 15 podcasts whenHouston told me what he did

(01:00:02):
after this is after some of thesurgeries when he could actually
get mobile, and then we cancome back to this.
But, houston, this is soimportant to the, to the public,
in my opinion, of what occurred, why don't you tell everybody
that's here watching orlistening, wherever they're at
tonight, what did you do afteryou healed some?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I'm going to tell you , okay.
So it was September 29th of2016.
The trial was going on at thatpoint in time and it was the
final day of the trial andjudgment had been given to that

(01:00:45):
man right there and, uh, I askedhis attorney if I could have
five minutes to speak with him.
That scared the shit out of her, uh, out of his attorney, man.
I think she thought I was goingto beat him, uh, limb from limb
and rip his arms off, man.
But quite the opposite.
So, after the court proceedingsthat day and the courtroom had

(01:01:08):
cleared out, we walked into alittle room just outside of the
court where we kind of had someprivacy, but where they could
still kind of keep eyes oneverything, because there was
three other cops in thecourtroom that day and I promise
you, they were not watching him, they were watching me.
And I understand that, you know, because the natural side of

(01:01:34):
things would lead you to thinkthat my, my whole goal is
revenge on this guy.
Okay, well, goal is revenge onthis guy.
Okay Well, god has a funny wayof working.

(01:01:55):
And uh, that day, uh, god toldme man, it's done, it's over,
let it go, there's nothing elsefor you to do here.
So I walked into that room and,uh, I told.
Ryan.
Hey, man, you know you, youreally, you really ruined my
life.
You screwed up things for myfamily.
You did all of these terriblethings to me, man, but I forgive

(01:02:17):
you and man you could haveheard a pin drop 10 counties
away.
That's how silent things got.
We sat there and we talked.
My buddy that was with me, weeven held hands and prayed.

(01:02:43):
We even held hands and prayedand we prayed for him as he was
beginning his prison sentence,in which he got 50 years.
Like I said, man, whenever Itell you I don't hate the dude,
I don't, I don't at all.
Now, if he got out of prison,would we go eat dinner?

(01:03:03):
Highly unlikely.
But I didn't want to carryaround the burden anymore of the
hatred that I had and thethings that I had felt for so
long, for 18, 18 or 20 months.
At that point in time, you know, I wanted to.
I wanted to be able.
I wanted to be able to sleep atnight without having nightmares

(01:03:27):
or thinking about him.
Man, I didn't want, I didn't, Ididn't want to have that hate
because it's it's draining.
It may make you feel powerfulfor a little bit, but I promise
you, it eats your soul away to apoint to where you just can't
function as a human beinganymore because you get so

(01:03:49):
consumed with it.
And it, dude, it's got such aheavy price to it.
It's not, you can't afford it,you just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And that's the biggest reason.
I wanted to share that with youall.
I've known this for years.
And go to the end while I'mtalking, Eric, if you want to go
to the next picture.
I wanted to share that with youall.
I've known this for years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
And while I'm talking , Eric, if you want to go to the
next picture that he has inthat?
I don't know what he has inthat role.
I wanted to hit up Show MeAudit's question here.
We didn't really kind ofdiscuss this yet, but he said,
since I wasn't here, why thefuck did he shoot?
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
you ever ask why, he decided to shoot through the
door.
Well, okay, so the story onryan was he had spent for the
last two, the two weeks priorman, on a serious meth binge.
Uh was three quarters of theway out of his mind and he was

(01:04:49):
coming down.
From what I understand, can Itell you why he shot?
No, why didn't he justcooperate?
I mean, that's a, that's a,that's a good question to ask.
There too.
I mean, it could have savedeverybody a lot of heartache.
But you know, you know, forwhatever reason it happened, um,
you know, I I couldn't tell youwhy he shot, other than the

(01:05:11):
fact, man, that he had uh fourcops in his house looking for
him because of a crime that hehad just committed by uh uh
domesticating with his uh, uh,his girlfriend.
You know, uh slapping heraround and beating her, and
girlfriend, you know, slappingher around and beating her.
And you know all the thingsthat had occurred the night

(01:05:32):
before.
Is, you know the reason why wewere there in the first place?
Because it was a dangeroussituation.
A guy that was high, had a gun,was willing to use it and was
clearly dangerous.
So, you know, ask yourself thesame question.
You know, why did he shoot?

(01:05:52):
That's cool, but why didn't hejust cooperate?
I mean, it's a why that we willnever know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah, mr Billfold sent five bucks in the super
chat.
Thank you very much, sir.
And he said anger is an acidthat can do more harm to the
vessel in which it is storedthan to anything on which it is
poured, mark Twain.
True, I think that is a verytrue comment.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Very accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, but yeah, let me get back to the pictures here
.
Uh, yeah, I mean, I I'm a.
I am a very emotional creature,like I watched how to train
your dragon last night the newone, by myself, because my wife
and kids are still up inmichigan.
I called them and said, hey, Irented this movie on on prime,

(01:06:42):
so if you guys want to watch ittoo, you can.
Just so they knew it wasavailable and I'm sitting there
watching it and I'm tearing upat the good parts and I'm, like
Jesus, such a wuss.
So, geez man, everything getsme.
But let me go back to sharingthese pictures.
Share, and let's go to the nextone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Man, that's my favorite picture I ever took of
me in my kids.
That was four days after thefact.
That was the first time, man,that they got to see their dad
after the shooting.
Really, yeah, my daughter wasseven, my son in the orange was

(01:07:28):
four and my son in the blue wasthree.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
How old are they now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Uh, uh, 18, 15, 14.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Okay, now, have they reflected at all and talk to you
what they remember back then?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Uh, yeah, you know my , my daughter.
Emma, especially because, well,she's got the greater memory of
that because of what her age wasat the time.
Uh, the two boys they'll talkabout.
Man, whenever I had the uh,whenever I had the black face
and that's that's what theycalled it back then Um, you know
, it's uh, it was weird, man,because I've got this big

(01:08:10):
tracheotomy coming out, I've gotall these tubes coming in, and
the only thing they wanted, man,was a big hug from their dad.
I couldn't talk at that pointin time, man, because my throat
was so swollen around thattracheotomy and with all the
trauma that was there, uh, all Icould do was uh, write things

(01:08:31):
down, uh, but, man, wheneverthey came in, uh, you know for
what little bit you can see asmile on my face, man, I uh, the
pride and the joy that that Ifelt at that moment in time.
I'm going to tell you I don'tthink there's anything that can
match that, man, becausesomething about the beauty of a

(01:08:54):
second chance that goes ifyou've never experienced that
second chance in life, man, it'sjust simply amazing.
Yeah, that's the only way I canput it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
As a dad.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
That's crazy.
I just think about my own kids.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, you know that that's a reality in this career,
man.
It's.
It's a reality in in lawenforcement or or any public
service really.
Well, I don't care if you're afireman or a paramedic, I mean
the, the, the reality is therethat that shit like this could
happen and it's going to hurt,and it's going to hurt your

(01:09:47):
family, it's going to hurt yourcoworkers, but yet we still find
a way to get out and go do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, andy Fletcher said, every time I hear Ray say
hey Dad, I want to have a catch,I lose it.
Yeah, I can only imagine whatgoes through your head.
You know.
You know you've had time toadjust to it now but, um, you
know, for me it's a fresh story.
So I hear it and I just I putmyself.

(01:10:18):
I'm a guy that I put myself inthe shoes of everybody.
I think that's why I like beinga cop.
I think it's what helps me be asuccessful cop, because I try
to put myself in the shoes ofeverybody I'm dealing with.
Hey, this is a suspect that I'mputting in cuffs.
This is the worst day of hislife.
Yeah, he deserves it.
He fucked up, but I try to putmyself in those shoes to

(01:10:39):
understand the behavior.
He wasn't thinking about theconsequences when he did the
deed, but now he is.
Now he's in cuffs, now he'srunning, now he's doing this
stuff.
He's doing that he doesn't knowwhat to do.
Like, try to put myself inthose shoes.
Don't get me wrong.
If you do something that you'retrying to harm me or somebody
else, I'm still going to do myjob.

(01:11:00):
I have put the empathy thereand the emotional intelligence
side.
I think that's what's helped mebecome a successful cop.
So I hope other officers thatare listening and doing this
like I hope you really see whatHouston said here.
He put himself into the shoesof the person to give
forgiveness.
I think that's how I hear it.
I'm not trying to speak for you, brother, but no.

(01:11:22):
But it's true though.
Yeah, and we know people thatare addicted.
That's why drug crimes reallydrive me up the wall.
We need to be helping peoplethat are addicted.
Um, that's my opinion.
Do drugs cause crime?
Yeah, it's the, it's theaddiction that causes the crime.
Um, so I don't.

(01:11:43):
What's the fix for that?
I don't know, but cops oftenget caught in between an
addiction issue.
So, um, but I love this phone.
I I'm with you.
This is definitely out of allthe ones you shared.
This is my favorite, especiallyhearing you talk about it
afterwards.
So, um, I'm hoping I can keepmy shit together and talk

(01:12:05):
through this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
This is a hard one.
I'm glad you're the one talking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, somebody said in the comments a little deep
for what we normally do it is.
It is deep.
I guess I underestimated howthis was going to be, so we're
going to keep going with it.
Damn it, this is going to be.
So we're going to keep goingwith it.
Damn it, this is going to makeme cry too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
That was so.
The police chief that at thedepartment that at the hospital
that I was at, his departmentdid a fantastic job.
And I'll just say their name,man, I'm not scared to say it.
Um, it was Lubbock policedepartment.

(01:12:52):
Uh, they do, they came in andthey took care of my family so
well.
And I'd actually asked to speakwith uh chief Stevens at the
time and he's now the directorof T Cole and he's a fantastic
human being.
I love the dude, I really do.
I asked him.

(01:13:12):
I said, man, I asked to see him, man, because I really just
wanted to shake his hand andthank him for everything that
his department had done.
And I asked him, I said isthere a way that I can thank
your community or thank yourofficers or whatever?
And, uh, boy, howdy man, he got, he got the news there, man, I

(01:13:33):
bet there was, I bet there wasfive, six different news
stations in that room rightthere.
And, uh, that was really one ofthe first times that, uh, I was
wearing the big diaper on myface and everything, because
everything had, everything hadstarted coming apart and
debriding.
So it was really ugly at thatpoint in time, man, but you know

(01:13:58):
it, that picture just says somuch.
Right there, you know, becausethere was so much going on, I
was hurting, physically,psychologically, my wife was
hurting, her heart was justabsolutely broken because of
everything that was going on.
She looked at me with thisgreat look of strength and, uh,

(01:14:31):
I will, I.
I just like I said, man, I lovemy wife so damn much.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
I can't even can't even just tell you how much I do
uh and uh, you know she's,she's been to hell and back with
me um, a couple comments Iwanted to uh get to first and
foremost.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Uh, ariel boom, thank you very much.
Donated in the super chat $10.
He said as a 10-year-old kid Isaw my dad connected to a
ventilator and all thosemachines keeping him alive, and
yet it's still traumatized tosee a parent in that state.
So something to consider,because that's how that affected

(01:15:03):
him.
And then Aereo actually jumpedon our live chat last night in
the Discord.
So I appreciate that.
And then Mike said we need morehelp for those on drugs.
Cops and the judicial systemshouldn't be used to help those
addicted.
I agree, I agree, I hate thatcops are used as a pawn for

(01:15:25):
people that are addicted.
I I wish we could could helpout more.
Um, because then guys likehouston end up becoming victim
to people not acting withintheir right mind, and obviously
that that's kind of theconclusion that we've come to
with this is that the guy was,you know, when you talk to him

(01:15:46):
at Houston.
I'm just curious when you talkto him, was it a totally
different type of person thanwhat you knew?
Because I doubt you talked tohim a whole lot when you were on
the scene because you wereprobably getting medical
attention, but the person youwere dealing with before versus
the person you were dealing withafter was that a totally
different experience.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah, no, a hundred percent, and it was uh,
absolutely uh, since uh, sincerething and never there.
They're really there.
He, uh, he apologized too, andof course I mean, uh, it's one
of those things I mean, you canalways tell if somebody is being

(01:16:28):
sincere or not.
And he genuinely was man.
He had clear he, he had cleareyes.
He, he didn't look like thatsame person right there.
You know that that that sameday, man, that that I got shot,
that I got shot, the SWAT teamshowed up and whenever he came
out, he still had the weapon inhis hand and they shot him too.

(01:16:52):
Ok, but he survived.
And I will tell you this OK, Isurvived because I have a
purpose in life.
He survived because he stillhas a purpose in life.
Man, we will not see our lastbreath as long as we have
purpose.
And that's what's sofascinating about being a cop

(01:17:16):
man is, despite whatever theirsituation is going on, you
always get a chance to speak,something that might get them to
see their purpose.
And you know, unfortunately, Imean, until people see their
purpose, they're not.
They're not going to give uptheir lifestyle, but nonetheless

(01:17:39):
, you still get to speak into itevery day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah, in some form or another.
Eye of the Night always has goodcomments on here and stuff too.
He said for my military days Ican say with certainty that I
have had the support of a loyalspouse, can pull you out of some
dark places or even keep youfrom getting there, and I think
that is key to having a goodrelationship.

(01:18:02):
Ryan Holsinger said this guy isa great guest.
Appreciate that.
We agree he is a great guest.
So let me get back to thesepictures here.
Share screen.
Let's go to the next one.
Another one of you in the wifey.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
With your face diaper .
I like the wifey, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
With your face diaper .
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
This is probably when she loved you the most,
probably, but you do not talk.
Okay, it looks like you're onthe road to healing here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Yeah, I had my boys.
I got to go read a book to themin their pre-K class.
Oh, okay, that was justfantastic, man that I got to go
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Nice, very cool, I like that.
Let me get to the next picture.
Sorry, I just put an ice cubein my drink.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
All right, that doesn't look bad.
No, that was.
Uh, that was after one of mynext surgeries and stuff, where
they came, went in and put thecage on the front side from what
they did on the back side andthat's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
That's a reverse image.
If people want to know the waythe light's hitting, it's hard
to.
It's a reverse image, the wayy'all are used to.
So if you look on the left sideover here, you can see that
scar.
That's usually on the other,what we're looking at.
It's normal to Houston to seehis face know where it's at, but
that's a.
That's a reverse image.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Okay.
Oh, by the way, brother, we're,we're Drake brothers.
I don't know if you oh samehere.
You had a trach too.
Yeah, triplets, yes, trach,trifecta, it is the trach that
binds us.
It's like Lord of the Rings,no-transcript what are the odds

(01:19:55):
of that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
all three of us have a picture of being outside of a
military hospital, popping yourtrach thing out and smoking a
cigar through it, just to see, Ido not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I don't even remember I did.
Mine was when I was a baby, so,uh, that is fucking funny.
What are the odds?
That is weird.
That is a weird coincidence thetraits a.
Now I got to ask everybody elseon the two-cop one-gonad panel.
I got to ask the rest of theguys Deadleg, have you got a
trick?
What the hell does everybodygot Alan, you got a trick.

(01:20:25):
That's weird.
All right, let's hear this one,houston.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Man, that right there was a group of people from my
town that they gathered up atthe steps of city hall and not
just praying for me, but prayingfor, praying for our department
, praying for the things thatwere going on, and it was a.
It was a pretty terrible timethere at that point.

(01:20:54):
But, man, I tell you what thethe people, the people came
together for me in such a waythat, uh, I will never truly be
able to thank every one of themfor all that they did for for my
, for me and my family, uh, mykids, uh just just the general
support, uh from from ourcommunity.

(01:21:16):
Our community was simplyamazing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Jeez, I'm reading one of our newer members here,
sally.
She said I worked correctionsand my husband was a police
sergeant in New Jersey for 33years.
He was a fatal accidentinvestigator.
He passed away five years ago9-11 related cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I'm so sorry to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Sorry to hear that.
Thank you for his service.
Much respect, I could never,ever do what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
And thank you for yours as well, seller, thank you
for yours.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Yeah, absolutely Very cool.
I really like this is one ofthe things I like.
Hearing Mike jumping on here,mike Cucumber, and saying I'm
really liking this YouTubechannel, like that, means a lot.
You get a tone from peoplethrough text.
It's hard to tell, but myinitial tone with you is that
you want a lot of accountabilitywith police.

(01:22:08):
And then to come to our channel,which is all cops trying to
copsplain shit, and then I don'tknow if this is your first time
on here, I think I've actuallyseen you on here one other time.
But, um, you know, here we're,we're telling a glory story
about a cop.
You know, and we're not tryingto be.
Woe is cops and we're allheroes.
We're not.

(01:22:28):
But this guy is.
He's going to tell you he's not.
He's going to shake his head,but he is.
And uh, this is the type ofstories we want to tell, and
then we'll get into afterwardshow the department treated him
and what all his stuff was whenhe went through that.
So let's go to the next pictureNow.
This is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Oh man, that was a fantastic day.
I got to throw the first pitchout whenever the Rangers were
playing the Cleveland.
What was then?
The Indians, before they ruinedthings.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Got all DEI'd.
Yeah Right, that was an amazingday.
All right, there he is.
I hope you didn't throw like agirl.
I would have made fun of you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Hey man, I threw a strike straight from the top of
the plate.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Nice.
Okay, be honest, how much didyou practice?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
A lot.
I didn't want to look like afool in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Okay, so how much notice did you have?
How long did you know?
I had about three weeks worthof notice.
Oh, that's plenty of time toget them.
Strikes down baby.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Plenty of time.
Man Maria Alvarado from PeaceOfficer Angel Foundation Uh,
she's the one that set that upand, uh, you know, as far as the
in in all of Texas, the POAF isthe gold standard as far as
what they do to bring woundedtogether and help them have a

(01:23:59):
true acceptance and a voice, andI absolutely love them for what
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I like it.
Marine Bloods, if you'relistening, I am updating our
Discord channel which, by theway, if you guys are not on our
Discord channel, please do so.
We are migrating as much stuffto our discord as we can to
consolidate our community.
But Marine Bloods has beenblessed as an admin and I am now
telling him that I want him toalso choose mods if he thinks

(01:24:28):
somebody should be a mod.
So you have been blessed tochoose mods, cause I I don't
know shit about running aDiscord and if somebody tells me
they know what they're doing,I'm not going to be able to vet
them.
I don't know who knows whatthey're doing.
So, marinesblood, if you canfigure out who knows what

(01:24:49):
they're doing or if they're justtalking shit, I'll give that to
you.
Eye of the Night said as muchshit as I give Eric and Banning
Eric for being chairperson,banning for having shit internet
.
I absolutely respect theirintent, respect their intentions
towards accountability andreasonability to the
conversation.
Thank you very much, um and I.

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I think that's what our channelhas been known for, um, we just
had Matt on a one of our guys,matt Thornton.
He was on another podcast andthe host of that podcast gave
our channel a lot of creditbecause they look at us as the
reasonable channel.
That's a very good compliment.

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So I like knowing that we'rethe balanced channel.
That's what he kept saying.
He's like it's just verybalanced, um, so I like that.
That's what we're known as,cause that's really what I was
going for.
So let's go to the next picturehere.
Yeah, I, I needed someexplanation on this one.
You didn't tell me what thiswas, and uh, just curious.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
My wife.
My wife just snapped thatpicture because, uh, uh, that
was probably one of the firsttimes I was actually telling
people some of the things that Ihad gone through and kind of
given given an accounting of ofeverything that had taken place.
You know, over the first I wantto say that was about a year

(01:26:14):
and a half afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
I don't even think I had a tooth one in my head yet
either.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Okay Dang a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah, that's a humbling experience.
Right there, this photograph,right here, man is two
ginormously awesome men.
The guy on the far right isRick Pearson and Rick has always
been kind of my mentor, myspiritual leader, my spiritual

(01:26:48):
father, if you will.
Man and me and him are just mansuper tight and I love that man
with all my heart.
And the man in the middle isAdam Davis.
And Adam Davis is a former copthat has turned into an author
and has sold a little over amillion books, wrote the book

(01:27:13):
Unconquered, talking about thetrauma that he faced as he was
growing up and his time as a cop, his suicidal ideations and
things like that.
And me and him became friendsand he made me chapter 10 of his

(01:27:36):
book Unconquered and he made mechapter 10 of his book
Unconquered and it's titled thetitle of the chapter is An
Uncommon Resolve Because, well,I don't know, I guess I was just

(01:27:56):
a knucklehead and wanted to goback to work and wanted to keep
pushing and showing people thatyou could keep going through it.
And Adam helped me tell alittle bit about that story and
Rick Rick's really helped mesurvive over the years man from
going through a divorce togetting shot to damn near
getting divorced again, man, youknow, with my current wife man,
because I mean things got hardand he was always there and it

(01:28:17):
was always a judgment currentwife man because I mean things
got hard and he was always thereand was, uh, it was always a
judgment free zone man, and hewas always full of love and I
will never forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah, um, that's part of the thing that a lot of
people don't get to hear thestory of the fallout of a
traumatic incident like that.
They understand that youyourself have a lot to go
through as far as recoveryphysically and then mentally.
One of the ways I like to kindof give an analogy is like when

(01:28:50):
I played baseball.
I played a lot of baseball,more than most kids and I got
hit in the face, straight in thejaw.
I was afraid for like a year,if not longer.
There was a lot of uh fearthere, um, and I started to hate
baseball because I was missingout on.

(01:29:12):
You know, there's two parts Iloved.
I loved to pitch, but I lovedbatting and I was good at it.
And then all of a sudden Iwasn't anymore and I almost quit
the sport because of that and Ihad to fight through it and I
didn't know how to fight throughthat I didn't know what was
going through my head.
But with you, you've got to dealwith the demons of what

(01:29:34):
happened and all the shit thatgoes through the recovery time.
Am I ever going to be the same?
You're not wearing the uniformanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And only as of what Two months ago, a month and a
half ago.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
End of April, April 30th in fact, was my last day as
a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
So in that, in your recovery time and you're not
wearing the uniform anymore, alot of cops it's their identity,
that's how they identifythemselves.
And if you didn't play thatgame before becoming a cop or
while you're being a cop, like,hey, is this who I am, or is
this something I do?

(01:30:14):
And having that discussion withyourself who I am, or is this
something I do?
And having that discussion withyourself?
Because I will tell you myfirst five years I would have
told you I wouldn't have knownthe difference.
But what are you talking about?
I'm a cop, that's what I am.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
But now how many times, man, do you walk into a
room and you get introduced by afriend, to somebody you've
never met, and they say hey,this, this is Benninger, Eric
the cop.
It's kind of like this too, man.
Uh, you know, bring in a friendand he just so happens to be a

(01:30:48):
preacher.
You tell him hey, yeah, uh,it's, uh, it's, it's Rick the
preacher, because that's who weare to them, man, that's what
people see us as man.
You know they don't understandthat.
We're not a robot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
But you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
So what I've learned?
Yeah, go ahead.
What I've learned when peopleintroduce you that way, if
you've ever noticed, noticedanytime somebody introduces you
as a cop, look where their eyesgo they instantly go down
towards where your gun would be.
Yeah, so when somebodyintroduces me as a cop, before
they get a chance to even lookdown and go hey, my eyes are up

(01:31:29):
here.
Yep, it just messes with theirmind.
They're like what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
when somebody introduces you as a cop, you say
say hey my eyes are up here andit's like clockwork man every
freaking time.
Yep every time, so it's justone of those funny, weird, and
then you just take a whole bunchof socks.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
They call me Mike Honcho.
Oh shit, okay, all right.
Oh shit, uh, okay, all right,let's, uh, let's keep moving
here.
Is there more pictures?
Oh yeah, yeah, here's um, thisis uh the one I wanted to end on
, because I think this is apowerful picture, that's a

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fucking survivor that is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
That's a fucking game .

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
That picture was taken at the graffiti wall in St
Louis.
What's the graffiti wall?
It's just man.
Okay, so let me tell you whatwas going on that day, I was
there with a group calledHumanizing the Badge oh yeah, Um
, and which I'm good friendswith all of those guys, and that

(01:32:41):
picture was actually a steelshot that they took from a video
they were making from my boyforensic.
Uh, that was uh filming a rapvideo that I got to be, uh, got
to be part of and uh, uh,fantastic guy, fantastic music.
And a fantastic guy, Fantasticmusic.
He's super talented and he's acop, too, over in Southern

(01:33:07):
California and just a fantasticperson.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yep Eric Penry said Houston was always there for me
for many years.
I consider one of the closestfriends.
He and Banning are some greatguys.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
He's not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
He abandoned us, man, he took off.
Oh no, ohio, ohio, ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Good dude man, good dude, super great guy, man Been
a good friend of mine for years.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Okay, all right, so we got through the pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
I got one story to add on these pictures because we
just watched a whole bunch ofholy shit.
A dude lived through this andI'm man enough to say that I
feel short when I stand next toHouston, because he's gone
through some shit that I'venever nor want to go through and
survived it and has taught meto be a man on several levels

(01:34:10):
just from his experience.
But what I'm going to say, Ibelieve, is funny, and if the
crowd doesn't think it's funny,sorry, but Houston and I in our
law enforcement careers, and I'mgoing to say at the end game,
in our last six or seven years,we were given several recruits

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and these are new guys out ofthe academy, aging from 21 to 40
, just as an example, andthey've changed their career, or
it's new in their career andI'm either first phase or the
first time with them, or Houstonis and we're passing these
young bucks back and forth fordifferent phases and debriefing

(01:34:53):
with each other, away from therecruit to find out what they
need to learn, and we can coveret cetera to help along and make
them the best that we can dobefore we cut them loose.
But the first time I got tohear this was from one of the
recruits.
I'm not going to say his name.
He's a great guy, but I'm notgoing to say his name.
We were riding around in themorning up here in the Jack

(01:35:16):
County, jacksboro area, and hegoes sir, can I ask you what you
eat for breakfast?
And I'm not a morning person.
I've been on midnights my wholecareer.
So when they flip-flop me backto mornings, I'm one of those
guys where I'm looking for myfive-hour energy.
I'm trying to smile.
I got to do that.
Until I wake up.

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I do my best, but I'm trying tosmile.
You know, I got to do that.
You know, till I wake up, I domy best, but I'm I'm a night
person.
And uh, this young guy asked meyou know, what do you eat for
breakfast?
And I'm thinking dude, Ihaven't, I haven't had, I'm
still trying to wake up.
I'm an old man, I'm stretchingmy back, I'm in this small Tahoe
and, yes, tahoe's are small tome and and frigging.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
What do I eat for breakfast?

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
and he's like well, you know, phase one I went
through with houston and I hearda couple times stop you
bitching.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
I eat shotguns for breakfast.
How do you fight that?
I mean holy shit.
Uh, the the dude's a legendthat houston will never tell you
.
I mean, houston, he's like I'mjust a normal dude and I,
freaking caught around, Isurvived it.
I'm here for a reason.
Uh, story over, I've got totell him no, let's dig deeper,
let's look at this, let's lookat this.
Houston doesn't look at himselfas that.
So I constantly have to raisethat, raise that flag for the
people that we meet to get akick out of it.

(01:36:31):
I mean, the dude can sit there,go through 20 plus surgeries,
put, put the uniform on again,come back to serve the public
and one of those members out ofall the public so let me explain
this One member of the entirepublic did damage to Houston.
That doesn't mean the entirepublic did damage to Houston, it
was one.
So we don't sit there and lookat the entire public as being

(01:36:53):
damaging.
And so when he instills thatinto new recruits, they inquire
what happened.
Oh, the scar, you know, and ithelps build them and understands
that there are dangers outthere.
But we treat everybody withrespect.
And this man you know I met himlater in my career, but I wish

(01:37:13):
I could have met him earlier onand I know it would have changed
me as a rookie.
So thank you for listening tothat, but Houston Gas is a
badass and thank you for beinghere tonight, brother.
Absolutely, I appreciate youguys.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
I'll read it, since Banny didn't see the message.
I was trying to tell you toread Magdum's comment, since you
were on a roll, but Matt Acornsaid okay, that's it.
Houston just got elevated tolegend status, I think we should
get him a T-shirt that saysthat what was it Shotgun blast
for breakfast?

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
I eat shotgun shells for breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
And it's true, man, there's so many things in life
that we bitch about in life.
And look what this dude wentthrough and he's still doing it.
You know, he took a demotionfrom chief to sergeant to come
to a different city to appeasewhat I'm telling him, this is a
great city Brought his wholefamily down here, lower pay
sergeant level and wanted toraise up the community standards

(01:38:14):
in law enforcement.
And he did it and the dude'sbeen shot in the face.
And it's funny is we can go toa priority one call and it can
be all hell break loose.
You know, houston I don't talkabout this much around Houston
but we worked at the county fora while and I had just got off.
We had this weird swing shiftand I was the patrol supervisor.
Houston was done.

(01:38:36):
Houston's like.
I've been chief, I've beensergeant, I've done all this
shit.
I don't give a flying F aboutit anymore.
I'll come in as a deputy.
I'll come in and work and do myjob 100% and go home every day
and be happy.
A lot of guys and gals can't dothat in this profession
military or police they look atit as a demotion.
But it's not you.
They look at it as a demotion,but it's not.
You're still serving the publicand it was never a demotion in

(01:38:57):
his thing.
So I released the reins to him.
I'm tired.
He's tired from just waking up.
It's the middle of the nightand he's starting his show.
I think it was midnight.
He's starting his ship whileI'm going home and I go home and
I'm I'm my family's asleep, hisfamily's asleep when he came to
work and I literally just tookeverything off and I sat in my
lazy bed.
It's going to be one of those.

(01:39:18):
I'm going to watch some funnyvideos before I go to bed and
frigging dispatch calls me.
When dispatch called me, she'slosing it, meaning the
dispatcher.
She's trying to keep ittogether, saying Houston needs
help.
And I'm thinking shit, thisdude already went through shit
back in 20.
What in the holy hell could hecause?
Houston doesn't call for backup.

(01:39:39):
He's like me.
You know.
When we're out there, we dealwith the shit, we ride it up at
the end, we go home at the endof the night.
You know, and he wasn't yellingon the radio I need backup.
He was stating the obvious ofwhat's going on in front of him.
And just to not give away allthe details of the call because
in hindsight it happened.

(01:40:00):
But he went to a call.
A lady said there's a ranchershooting late at night and it's
Texas.
It's not illegal for you toshoot on your property at night,
especially if you're gettingrid of a varmint.
Houston said you know what.
It's not really illegal but toappease you I can go request and
talk to him and ask him to pipeit down for the evening and
maybe start again tomorrow oncethe sun comes up.

(01:40:21):
He goes up the driveway, getsup there, leaves a little red
and blue lights on, steady onhis car to let them know it's
law enforcement pulling up andhe's just going to ask do you
guys mind holding off these loudshots?
Because your neighbor just acouple acres over um is trying
to put kids to sleep etc.
And for whatever reason thathomeowner opened that door.

(01:40:42):
I've got the freaking video toprove it.
He opens the door and puts aglock right in houston's face at
about seven meters.
If I were to guess, um and andyou got to think about it
houston had already taken oneand houston did the right thing.
Houston does a little shimmy tothe left, get some cover, and

(01:41:03):
when you have weird lights it'sin the middle of nowhere.
You're going to have depthperception issues, it's.
It's a known fact.
And the way he came down, Ibelieve, was on his left knee.
He did some major damage andand it's very painful, and he
got on the radio and let and I'msurprised where he was at that
the radio even went throughbecause it's a dead spot, and so

(01:41:24):
God was behind that.
He got on the radio and saidthis is what's going on.
Yada, yada, yada had a raisedvoice because he just he didn't
give a shit about the dude withthe gun.
He can handle that, he's got acovered position, he's going
through it.
But he hurt his, he freakingshattered his knee.
As far as I, if I remember, Idid some damage to it.
Man, uh, internal damage and hegets on the radio.

(01:41:46):
So the dispatcher calls me.
Keep in mind I'm sitting therein boxers and my lazy boy
relaxing.
I got a dispatcher fired up.
Hey, what's you know?
So I dress up.
I told her notified chain ofcommand.
I'm running the sheriff'soffice or my sheriff's, tahoe or
whatever I was driving.
Explorer at the time was sittingin my driveway.
So you go and you're literallyhitting your lights from your

(01:42:07):
driveway.
We're in a almost a thousandsquare mile County and I'm what
they call balls to the walls.
There's no traffic out thatlate at night.
You get to Houston because Idon't know all the details.
By the time I get there he'sgot himself back in his car.
He's already had a come toJesus meeting with the owner.
They're fine.
There's no frigging offense.
It was the castle doctrine.
He didn't know the lawenforcement was there.

(01:42:32):
The only thing they didn't dois cook ribs together and have a
cold beer.
Houston got in the car I'm onthe phone with our sheriff or
whatever at the time and Houstoncomes down and he's like well
man, it's kind of messed up.
And I look in there and itlooks like a basketball is
attached to his left leg.
And he's like I'm going to takesome oxygen, man, and we'll be
good and I can stay.
And I'm like no hell, no, we'regoing to the hospital, we're

(01:42:54):
going to do.
And I followed him up to thehospital and he didn't even know
it was messed up, but the dudewas there for the fight, even
after what he went through in2015.
And the resiliency that thisfrigging salty ass bastard I
want to call my best friend goesthrough and uh, keeps, keeps
taking the licks, man, it keepsgoing, so I'll shut the hell up

(01:43:34):
no-transcript was a really goodone.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
He said the story here is not the damage Houston
suffered.
I think it's his refusal to bea victim of it and putting his
survival to use to his familyand community.
I think that is a strongstatement, sir, and I think it's
a very accurate statement.
And I think it's a veryaccurate statement.
On top of that, holy shit,having a gun pointed at you

(01:44:00):
again had to open up some wounds, but you were looking around

(01:44:22):
for cameras and wondering whatporn that I'm about to
participate in, because you guysnames do not sound real.
And to have you two combinedout there running around, I'd be
like what type of porno is this?

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Man, before we know it, our freaking OnlyFans is
going to come out and they'regoing to pay me to keep my
clothes on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
I'm going to call it Banning Gas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
It's going to be a whole play on saving the
environment there we go there wego there, we go.
Oh shit, Global warming ishappening.
Call Ben and gas.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
And I don't want to.
You know what we're doing here.
This is for y'all.
I've heard Houston's story eversince I met him and I share the
work of what Houston has gonethrough to everybody I meet, and
if I do it in front of Houston,the dude's just kind of like
they don't need to hear it.
No, they do need to hear it.
You're freaking here in theflesh.

(01:45:27):
You're in front of us.
They need to hear it.
He doesn't like the accoladesthat come with that.
He doesn't like the, because heis a true hero, and so that's
another reason why I love thedude.
And I'm not trying to shortenup the story, but I know
Houston's got a pretty hard stopat 10.
Houston is finally I probablythink for the first in years

(01:45:48):
going on a vacation tomorrowmorning and I think they're
leaving about four o'clock, fiveo'clock in the morning, and
he's finally going to take hisfamily out and go relax.
I know he'll probably stay alittle later, so we're good.
But my whole thing is Houstonhas watched several times when
he's had times.
I want Houston to be able tobreak down a video, like Eric

(01:46:13):
and I and the team do.
I want the public to hear howHouston breaks down a video.
I have leaned on Houston attimes as his supervisor, at
times of he being my supervisor.
The buck goes back and forthand we lean on each other for
the knowledge that we've had inlaw enforcement and I respect
his decision on everything.
I've never seen the dude dosomething that was questionable
in law enforcement and you don'tget that.

(01:46:33):
People make mistakes.
I'm sure I've made hundreds ofmistakes in law enforcement and
you learn from enforcement andyou don't get that.
You people make mistakes.
I'm sure I've made hundreds ofmistakes in law enforcement and
you learn from those and you goon.
And then you make sure, whoeveryou're around, if they're
making the, that they don't makethose freaking mistakes.
Um, this, this, this type ofepisode pipes me up, man, and it
makes me super excited to getthis knowledge out to people yep

(01:46:53):
, I, like patrick too, lovescomment.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
He said only beards.
That's gonna be yes yeah andthen, uh, keto 50 jumped on.
He said good evening, beardclub member here, country girl,
stop stop discriminating againstnaked faces.
Oh man, keto, the legend inhimself.

(01:47:17):
I'm glad he jumped out.
We got to get him on an episode.
We, keto and I, talked about ita long time ago and then we
tried to make an episode happenand he was out camping doing his
thing and he just didn't havegood enough service and we just
never connected again.
It just one of those things.
So he keeps jumping on andtalking on here.
So I definitely want to get himon here.
I know he's listening right nowand I know he's game, so we've

(01:47:40):
got to get him on here.
I think he can help out a lotof officers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
A lot of people in the comments really want to know
and I did not discuss it withHouston before Eric, I don't
know if you did or not Like MrBelfort's curious.
And Houston, this is your show,so you don't have to bring it.
You can say I don't want totalk about that and that's fine.
Or you can say I'll talk aboutthis and this, but if you do,

(01:48:05):
you want to share on what goeson within a city to a certain
extent, on what goes on to anofficer that gets hurt.
It doesn't happen at everyagency, because there's a lot of
agencies out there thatabsolutely 100% take care of you
.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
God, I glossed right over that didn't I.
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
I admit that too.
There's agencies that have itright.
There's agencies that willnever get it right.
Whenever I say that, I hope andpray that my agency that I was
with, if it ever does happenagain, will correct their

(01:48:45):
mistakes from the past.
You don't want to go in andtreat your injured as if they
are nothing but a liability.
You want to make sure that theyknow that they are still valued
.
You know, dude, if you're achief right now and you're

(01:49:05):
sitting there and you've got alobster injured, by God, go
check on them, call their family, do those things, man, and
don't turn them into a burden,if you will, because that's kind
of what happened with mydepartment.

(01:49:26):
I'm not going to go into anyspecific details or anything
like that, because it justdoesn't matter, but I'll just
say this Okay, being beinginjured is a really hard job.
Okay, it really is, Becauseyou're having to look at a whole

(01:49:50):
new normal and whenever you'rehaving to go through all that
and then figure out that all ofa sudden, maybe your department
doesn't have your back as muchas you thought, you really start
to question that thin blue lineand the brotherhood there, and

(01:50:14):
it's certainly stronger in someplaces than it is in others, uh,
and it's certainly stronger insome places than it is in others
.
Um, I could probably give you ahundred theories as to why I
think it happened, but thatdoesn't matter either, because
the simple fact of the matter isit happened and, uh, you know,
it kind of just is what it isnow, at this point in time, the

(01:50:38):
chief that shot me, man, I'veforgiven the department and the

(01:51:00):
guys that were there that uhweren't there in the time
whenever I needed them the most,and, uh, you know what.
It's not acceptable.
It's not okay, um, but you haveto go on.
You have to move on and justtake this for for what it is

(01:51:20):
Anybody out there that's runninga department check on your
people Love on your people.
show them, man, that they areworth something to you and that
just because they take a bulletdoesn't mean that they're not
valuable anymore to you, becausethat's when they should be that
much more valuable, because, bygod, they survived, and, uh,

(01:51:42):
that's important.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
check on your people careful prove it, houston,
something, let me.
Let me get more specific.
You go, you going through yourstuff.
I'm, I'm the chief.
What could I have saidspecifically to you?
What could I have donespecifically for you?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
oh, that's man, that's really.
You didn't have.
You wouldn't have to sayanything per se, okay,
especially if you've never beenin that situation, but be in
there to check on, check on you.
Hey, man, I hadn't talked toyou this week, man, I just want

(01:52:27):
to, just want to see how you'redoing anything you need and you
know chances are man, we'regoing to tell you.
No man, we're good, you knowit's 100% the thought that
counts, it's a hundred percent,the thought that counts, man, uh
, you know, check on his family,check on his wife, you know.
Do do those little things andunderstand this man.

(01:52:49):
If there's any one thing that Iunderstand, is that life goes
on and the world doesn't quitmoving.
Just because, uh, of your andbecause of your situation, no
matter what it is, just bepresent.
Just don't be a douchebag man,you know.

(01:53:13):
Just call, just check, show upevery now and then at their
house or something, man, youknow, uh, it doesn't take a lot,
man, I'm a pretty simple guy,just just be there, you know, uh
, don't demand of one personwhat you wouldn't give to
another.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I'm just curious.
I think that that's, uh, that'simportant to cause.
It's going to be different foreverybody.
You know, if I get shot, what Ineed isn't going to necessarily
be the same things as what youneeded.
Well, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
And, and you know, I know guys that have been uh,
injured in so many differentways, and I've heard stories of
how departments have absolutelyjust crapped all over them.
But then I've also heard storiesof where departments absolutely
got things right.

(01:54:11):
The people were still checkingon them, they actually cared,
and it's fantastic whenever Ihear those stories and I get to
see the good side of things.
Man and now I think one of mythings is whenever I do talk to

(01:54:33):
departments and stuff.
Man, that is one of the thingsthat I talked to the admins
about.
Man is walking with your woundedin the right way, you know be,
present, be there, don't youknow, whenever they start
talking about what their mentalhealth is going through, man?
Because I'm going to shoot youstraight, dude.

(01:54:53):
There were plenty of times, man, where I could picture my own
death scene, because I justdidn't, I didn't want to go
through it, no more.
Okay, I mean, that's just theway it is.
It's hard, and whenever youknow the other people behind you
that you fought with, bled withand did all kinds of things for
abandon you, it makes it thatmuch tougher, abandon you, it

(01:55:22):
makes it that much tougher.
Okay, so, just like I said, man, just just be a friend.
At that point in time, man,don't be a boss, be a friend.
Don't don't be a supervisor, bea friend, because that's
exactly what they need at thatpoint in time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
I like it, Bannon you got anything to add on that?
No man, I'm just in awe.
He's finally on our show andpeople get to hear more of an
audience gets to hear this, andwhen I say more of an audience,
we have a melting pot.
Here, eric, we have everybody.
We've got people that supportlaw enforcement actions, we've

(01:55:58):
got people that don't.
We've got people that supportlaw enforcement actions.
We've got people that don't.
We've got people on the fence.
And this platform is foreverybody and for you guys to
hear one of my best friendstelling his story, which I only
get to tell in a bar wheneverwe're lucky enough to actually
have time together.
In the past five years, it mayhave been a total of four nights

(01:56:19):
for uh, for us to be able toget together and break bread and
do different things, and andour, our families are so
compatible, uh, but what?
Because of our schedules andbecause of us both being
supervisors, being split upbetween the weeks, um, we got to
high five each other in thehallway, kind of like new
parents do.
Uh that are in first respondersand nurses and whatever, and

(01:56:39):
and they're, they're taking careof their young.
That's what you know, houstonand I had to do to take care of
the departments that we workedfor, so now we have a little bit
more time with the things thatwe do in the tech industry with.
Houston.
We have code through technology, maybe with Mark 43.
We're both going out there forthe same thing and now we're
serving those departments thatare serving the communities, and

(01:57:00):
that's a no better feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Oh, a hundred percent yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
I like it.
I like this name.
I'm just going to pop it outthere.
Joke's funny.
Help others out.
I like it.
Shout out to you, brother.
I haven't seen you on herebefore so I figured I would.
I need y'all in the chat toconvince my mom to get on
Discord.
She's having trouble withDuckDuckGo.

(01:57:25):
If anybody can walk her through, it would be she's having
trouble with what she usesDuckDuckGo for her internet
browser.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Yeah, instead of like Google or something like that
or Chrome, I should say I gotyou.
Yeah, let's see here, rob said.
I think sometimes people areafraid to reach out, they're
afraid to say the wrong thing orthey're afraid to cause you to
relive the traumatic shit youwent through, not saying it's
right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Okay, I want to say something to this.
Okay, so there was, I wasactually in the hospital and,
just you know, pretty freshstill just a few days in, I did
something to piss off my wife.
I don't know what I did,probably snapping my fingers or
something, man who knows man.
And she was getting mad at meand I looked at her what are you

(01:58:15):
going to do, shoot me.
And I wrote that up on thatdeal and I showed that to her
and, holy God, you know, that'sjust it.
I mean, it's just one of thosethings, man, just be cool with
us, man, and we'll be cool back,you know.
Yeah, and it just kind of iswhat it is.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
I've got one more to share, houston, and I'm sure
once I get a quarter way throughit you're going to remember.
So I used to live in thislittle tiny rent house in this
city and and I'm used to the bigMetroplex and I and I come up
here and things are justdifferent.
Things are older, things are.
You know you're going back intowhere you know.
We're circa 1985 here, where welive at, in reference to

(01:58:58):
building construction et cetera,for the stuff being new.
The new addition was what Backin the 80s, right when the
houses are at.
So I lived in the old addition,very small house.
It was a one owner home.
The investor bought it and I'mthe first renter and Jamie
Shelby and I and my oldest son,we had gotten settled in in this
house, amy Shelby and I and myoldest son, we had gotten

(01:59:20):
settled in in this house andHouston comes by and I go by his
house and we were sharing datafrom both of us being sergeants
and it was great.
You know, sometimes Houstonwould throw a text about to stop
by.
Sometimes Houston just stoppedby and we love it.
You know it's fricking, houston, but every time he came by I
thought the feds were kicking inthe door and uh, you know,

(01:59:44):
because it was such a smallhouse, you know, he bang on the
front door and the back door isshaking, you know, and that's
just used to knock and that'sthe way he does.
And uh, you know, there's acouple of factures in that door
over there on South secondstreet, um.
But he came over and he knockedon the door and we're going
through whatever stress of lifeof moving and getting settled in
, the normal shit that everybodygoes through and my wife being

(02:00:07):
a dispatcher, being well knittedwithin the community and and
handling calls like we do anddoing the audible side of it.
She answers the door, seesit's's my, my brother, from
another mother there and sayshouston, you almost got yourself
shot.
Why the hell you gotta knock sodamn loud?
And then it dawned in her headshe's being funny.

(02:00:29):
We're always all funny to eachother and my, my wife, is a mate
just like houston's wife.
I mean, they're, they'reamazing women.
They keep our shit together.
I'd probably be in a cardboardbox living if it wasn't for her.
And she said that to Houstonand just to hear Houston go, ah,
starts laughing.
It doesn't offend him.
And then, jamie, it triggeredin her head.
She's like I'm so sorry,houston's like I don't give a

(02:00:49):
shit what you say to me.
I need to talk to Manny.
You life goes on, you know, andthat's why the funny you know,
it's a funny thing about sayingthe dude eats shotguns for
breakfast.
People make stupid comments.
Man, you almost got yourselfshot and then you see their
brain go.
I just did, oh shit, heactually's been shot.
And anyway, man, it's.
I fucking love him, love him todeath well, I've got, I got a

(02:01:13):
similar story.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
That is great.
Okay, now you guys know I workat a big place, but where I work
there is, um, there's peoplethat are in charge of going
around making sure like all thefire hydrants, aeds, all that
stuff are where they're supposedto be, they're supposed to be
updated and all that stuff right, um, we've got the city
employee.
Who's he's?
He's been around for a longtime.
Everybody that that's beenaround him knows him type thing.

(02:01:37):
He has a deformity where he hasno hands.
He's got these little stumpswith on a couple sides he's got
maybe a couple.
Look like they're supposed tobe fingers.
Houston is definitely not usedto being on a live because he is
hitting his desk.
He's cracking his fuckingknuckles into the microphone.

(02:01:58):
Oh yeah, jesus, oh man, he'slike what?

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
are you going to fucking shoot me, jesus?

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
I believe anyway.
So, anyway, this guy, he'sbeing taken around through the
academy instructors area andhe's being introduced by my boss
.
He's like hey guys, this issuch and such.
He's around, he's doing thisstuff and whatnot.
So it's me and two otherinstructors just happened to be
at our desk and you know, ohcool, nice to meet you.

(02:02:30):
Yeah, if we need anything, mybuddy I'm going to call his
first name out just because wetell this story around him all
the time.
His name is George.
George decides to throw in alast-minute comment as they're
walking away.
Hey, let us know.
And he does this with everybody.
So this is not like him beingfunny, it's him being genuine.
Hey, if you need a hand withanything, let us know.

(02:02:54):
A man doesn't have.
I'm like.
I'm like, like face is justlike.
I'm like, oh my god, I lookover at the female instructors
with me, sarah, and we're justlooking at each other waiting
for them to walk away.
And as they walk away, I'm likeyou're a fucking asshole.
Like as soon as they walk outthe door, and he's like what I

(02:03:17):
was like let me know if you needa hand.
And I do this like cause he hadmy hand and he's like should I
go with an apology, like he was,instantly, should I go
apologize?
I was like, no, you're fucked,like boss is going to have your
ass and the boss comes backlater.

(02:03:39):
That guy had told our boss he'slike I was gonna fuck with him
and say, yeah, I need two.
He's like, but I didn't know ifhe would get the humor like he
was looking out for the us.
It was so funny, one of thebest moments of my life and I
every time I see george justabout I bring that up like we've
never and this was years ago wenever let him live that shit
down.
So so funny.
Somebody.
Who's going?

(02:04:00):
Who's leaving?

Speaker 4 (02:04:01):
Mama.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
G.
She said it's my bedtime, she'sout of here.
Mama G, I'll be watching.
Let me see here.
Somebody said joke's funny.
Levine, do you do security inthe Air Force?
I'm going to be a securityguard and I want to know what is
the difference.
Uh, yes, I am security forcesin the air force.
Um, out of the 802nd DonaldLackland, very great unit.

(02:04:21):
Um, shout out to those guys,they do a lot of great work.
Um, so the difference betweenbeing a security guard out in
the public versus being securityforces in the air force?
Uh, security forces has LEpowers.
You have the rest authority, soa security guard does not.
A security guard is observe andreport, and so that's the

(02:04:42):
biggest difference really.
A security forces or militarypolice have the ability to
arrest, and then a securityguard is observe and report.
So do you got anything to addto that guys?
I don't.
It's really the biggest stepfor me.
So all right, because you stillhave to do reports and stuff

(02:05:04):
like that.
So no, knock on security guardsguys.
Security guards, that's a goodstepping stone if you want to
get into police work Because youdo.
It's like being a lossprevention officer.
Loss prevention guys.
When they come into police work, their report writing ability
is spot on.
They're way ahead of the curve.

Speaker 3 (02:05:24):
They're already able to articulate six steps of
leaving a frigging store.
Yada, yada, yada.
I've done it for a while beforeI got into law enforcement as
well.
And yeah, absolutely, theirreport writing skills are
tremendously well, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
They report writing skills tremendously well.
I, the Knight, said how manypeople have you used shooting
your mouth off turn of phrasebefore?

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
they realize what they've done.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
I never thought of it like that, I like that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I like that.
Jokes aside, I can see Houstonyou know, jess walking into that
recovery room, from being inICU to going to standard surgery
, recovery and all the shit thatHouston's gone through, and I
could just see her face jokingly.
Jess, I know you're watching.
Well, houston's jaw is wiredshut right now.

(02:06:17):
It's probably like whoo.
I get a little bit of a breakand I get to watch him draw on a
board because damn jokingly.
And somebody asked about anhour ago how the hell did you
eat during this?
And I think a lot of it was afeeding tube in a RV.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
Suppositories.

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
Suppositories.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Yeah, he had a lot of suppositories that had a
caloric intake there, right yesyeah, houston's.
Like what suppository mean?
Yeah, is that where kennedy wasshot?
So, uh, where'd he go?

(02:06:56):
Joke's funny.
He said, um, there's a re.
Uh, that's the reason why I'mdoing it, because I want to be a
police officer and that's whyI'm a security guard first.
So jokes funny.
I am so glad that you found ourchannel, because not only us in
two cops, one donut, but ourcommunity.
Listen to them.
Listen to the people in thecommunity chatting.

(02:07:18):
They will help you become agood cop.
You want to know how I know,because they've helped me become
a better cop.
So listen to what they have tosay.
Get your police training andgood luck.
Stick with our channel.
If you have any questions, jumpon our discord and we will will
.
We'll try to guide you.
The best that we can doesn'tmean our way is the right way,

(02:07:40):
but we'll do the best we can soy'all keep it going for a second
.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
I'll be right back all right, we'll do.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Um, I am going to uh, I think we're going to go to
the body cams.
Are you ready, houston?
Let's go hell, yeah, hell.
So anybody in the comments, ifyou got questions for Houston,
just keep them coming.
We're going to go through thebody cam reviews now, but if you
got stuff for him, let him know.
We'll get it up there on thescreen and we'll ask him.

(02:08:08):
I am going to share what we'relooking at here, let's go over
here Shout out, okay.
So, first and foremost, viewerdiscretion advised, and this is
a shout out to Police ActivitiesYouTube page.
We get all of our body camreviews from them.
Please go like, subscribe tothem.

(02:08:29):
This is all body cam stuff, sothis is publicly owned things.
This is a Freedom ofInformation Act thing.
We're not taking anybody'spersonal videos, so I am going
to share this tab.
Instead, we are going to biggiesize the screen.

(02:08:50):
Wow, there we go, and I amreally digging Restream.
Just created this view, houston.
I know this is new to you, buthow the screen looks right now,
this is new.
This is not something thatwe've always had.
So it's cool because it givesus the ability to see each other
gauge reactions, but also thescreen itself is a decent size,

(02:09:13):
so I'm liking it.
All.
Right, let's get into our firstvideo.
You guys know how this goes.
We don't know what the video is.
What's on there?
We've never watched it.
You're going to get our rawreaction as it develops and
we're going to walk you through.
We're going to pause often.
We want you guys to engage.
Houston, I can hear youbreathing.

(02:09:33):
You got too close.
You'll get used to it.
We'll get viewer discretion andthe yeah, florida two, four.

Speaker 5 (02:09:46):
Bravo, echo charlie whiskey on a summer kia okay, we
do this a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
This is a basic traffic stop, houston.
Walk me through what you'rethinking about as you approach a
general traffic stop uh,whenever I approach a general
traffic stop, I'm trying to lookthrough windows.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
I'm trying to see what's going on.
I'm trying to see how manypeople are in the vehicle,
calling out my tag number,thinking about whatever offense
I've got right there, whetherit's speeding or registration,
whatever, also concerned aboutwhat's going on with the driver.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
Okay, now for me.
All the same stuff Pro tip toanybody that's a cop out there,
and this may be something thatnobody's ever told you.
I am generally calling theplate out before I ever light
them up.
Meaning I've already got myoffense.
Yes, I already know what theyhave.
Meaning I've already got myoffense.
I already know what they have,but I'm not calling out the

(02:10:49):
plate.
I'm not turning my right handto pull them over until I've
already called out the plate todispatch, and that's a safety
thing.
The reason why is, if this guydecides to take off, if he
starts shooting at me, whateverhe gets out of the car, now they
already have the plate and theyhave a general location of
where I'm at before I've eveninitiated the stop and then I

(02:11:12):
can just update dispatch.
Hey, I'm going to be out at thecorner of first and main as I
get out of the car, and that's alot less for me to do.
And I'm not sitting in the seatof that driver's seat for very
long.
Sitting in the seat of thatdriver's seat for very long.
So pro tip you guys.
Did you guys practice that waytoo?

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
Oh yeah, A hundred percent.
Uh, I was uh always getting outof my car just as the person
was stopped.
Yes, that way I can alwaysgauge things and if I needed a
way to escape, I could, or if Ineeded cover, I could get it.
Or we can just get up therethat much quicker and get

(02:11:50):
business handled and get out ofthe way faster.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
Yep the way, looking at this setup where we're at,
I'm going to go with a passengerside approach Just to throw
them off, Hope they're notpaying attention.
It's daytime so it's harder fora passenger side approach to
work all the time, but I'm goingto go with the passenger side
approach on this one.
Anybody do anything differenthere?

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
No, I don't disagree with that at all.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
I like a passenger side approach because we can see
their hands and what they'redoing a lot better, and a lot of
times they're looking out thedriver's side door.
I don't always do a passengerside approach simply because you
just want to keep them on theirtoes Always a bad sign.

(02:12:40):
Banning I'll let you lead thisone off.

Speaker 3 (02:12:44):
Well, it's still a small window for me, so I'm
trying to see it the way you'vegot the windows set up, you've
got Houston on the big screen.
Oh, I'm sorry, there we go,perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
There we go, that's better.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
Much better, much better.
Yeah, so to me.
I'm looking at double yellowlines.
Obviously it's probably a slowamount of traffic, but anytime
you're coming up on this, whyare we going to be assholes and
block that lane coming through?
People need to come and go asthey please.
It's a free country.
Why do we need to make atraffic hazard?
No-transcript minor trafficinfraction the reason why this

(02:13:37):
stop occurred.
I have not seen this video.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Yep, I have not seen this video.
So my concerns always as I'mapproaching is being able to see
into the vehicle these arepretty dark windows and being
able to see hands.
That's the only thing I careabout as I'm approaching.
I'm looking at hands.
If I see the driver's hands,I'm cool, I am so relaxed.
But if the hands are down andhidden and stuff like that, I'm

(02:14:02):
going to be on edge a little bit.
Somebody asked a question,question.
What if the driver jumped intothe passenger seat just to keep
you on your toes?

Speaker 3 (02:14:11):
had it happen I've had many I they've ran into each
other where I'm looking at themthrough the back window.
If it wasn't too tented and ifI was doing a driver approach
because there was nothing onthat side, or I wanted to do a
driver approach, which is veryrare, be like, well, let me go
back around here to the otherpassenger side, I'd be like all
right, driver, let me see yourdriver's license.
Oh, what do you mean, sir?
I'm the passenger.

(02:14:32):
No, let me see your driver'slicense, proof of insurance, you
know, and it's.
We're not gonna play games andI want to get them back on the
way, just as bad as they didn'twant to get stopped.
I want to get them back on theway.
And, uh, I'm not a big ticketwriter.
I'm kind of like yeah, eric,you don't know this.
Houston is just like us.

(02:14:54):
You know, when he was gettingout of law enforcement, he
probably doesn't even know if heturned his fucking excuse me,
his frigging ticket book back inbecause it wasn't a big ticket
writer man.
He just it wasn't his friggingstyle.
We never were.
Now, obviously, the school zonestuff, our next generation yeah
, we go hammered down on thatman.
That's our next gen, but youstill give them the benefit of
the doubt.
I gave them 10 miles an hour.

(02:15:14):
If it's 20, I wouldn't evenstop you, unless you were 30
over on a calibrated K-bandlaser that was tested prior to
my shift and we would have atalk.
Did I write everybody a ticket?
No, cause sometimes a talk cando a great thing, so it educates
and we can go on.
Sometimes a big fine doesn'tdoesn't do shit for anybody.

Speaker 1 (02:15:34):
Yep, now in this.
For me, um, opening the door isan uncommon thing.
Uh, it definitely puts anofficer on edge, and especially
with him looking back like this,that is God, that would get my
butthole puckering, because wehave seen training video after
training video after trainingvideo, that this is a person
looking to acquire a target.

(02:15:54):
So that is going to make mehave a certain type of response.
Now am I going to draw down onthis guy?
Necessarily.
No, I'll be like hey, man, dome a favor, just keep your hands
where I can see you.
I'm just pulling you over for X, because usually a little
information diffuses a lot.

(02:16:14):
So if you're an officer outthere and you're like I would
have been like get the fuck onthe ground, or anything like
that.
Hey, listen to me and try adifferent tactic.
Try just telling them what youpulled them over for as this is
going on.
Hey, I pulled you over becauseyou were speeding.
Do me a favor, can you justshow me your hands real quick as

(02:16:35):
I'm trying to walk up and keepthat pillar between us and him.
So, use your words here, nowthat the door is open.
I want the door to stay open.
I want to be able to see asmuch as I can.
I don't want to shut that door.
Those windows are really hardto see in.
So these are the things thatare going through my head as I'm
watching.
I'm not going to have him getout of the vehicle, I'm by
myself.
I want him seated, I want himto stay seated and him having

(02:16:59):
the door open now actually helpsme out as long as I can see his
hands.
So, all right, let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (02:17:08):
Is there a reason why you're popping the?

Speaker 1 (02:17:09):
door open.
Like that I can see one hand.
That's good.
I'm not getting he's definitelydoesn't have a compliant tone
to him, but I don't seeaggressive either, so let's keep
going man.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
You know let me just capitalize on that you know I've
had a lot of traffic stops likethis, that they've they've had
a bad traffic stop in the pastand and you know me being the
supervisor of both agencieswhere Houston and I worked I've
reviewed a lot of Houston'svideos when he did his traffic
stops and we were both very goodat deescalation verbally.
You know, somebody popped offwith an attitude Maybe they had

(02:17:46):
been mistreated before by lawenforcement, maybe they're
having a bad day.
They're humans, we're human.
They may pop off upset,understandably, but it's our job
to not be offended by that andnot overindulge the powers of
law enforcement.
You can really quickly go, man.
I understand it's been a longday.
I'm probably the last personyou don't want to see.

(02:18:08):
Here's the reason your vehiclehas been stopped and let's go
from there.
And let's, let's try to pipe.
Let's, let's calm this guy down.
I didn't try to stop people,just to take people to jail.
That's not what I did.
Mine was more of a of aneducation thing, and this is the
reason.
This is why somebody called youin.
This is this is what it was.
Because that ticket, thatarrest, is that going to correct

(02:18:29):
everything?
No, does it need to happensometimes?
I'm not a judge or a jury.

Speaker 1 (02:18:36):
It happens and that's up to a judge and jury, if it's
right.
Yeah, and and the other thing,I just saw a video on Dominic
Izzo's page.
I don't know if you guys watchDominic.
I highly recommend him.
He's a good friend.
I actually talked to him todayabout the specific video where
the window was busted or broken.
The guy couldn't roll hiswindow down, so he opened the
door and it caused this wholeshitstorm and it escalated from

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there.
So that could be another factorhere.
Window just doesn't roll downand I've seen that a million
times.
So let's keep going that works.

Speaker 5 (02:19:07):
Is there a reason that you're pulling?

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
me over yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (02:19:10):
There's a reason why I'm pulling you over.
For one thing inclement weather.
You don't have your lights ontwo things you're not wearing
your seat belt.

Speaker 1 (02:19:16):
I don't need the lights and it's not weather,
it's not you know what I thinkthis is the same video.
Different video or differentangle.

Speaker 3 (02:19:22):
I didn't see this well, this is florida and I know
this from from being stationeddown there at the time of the
marine corps and visiting my dad.
Uh, when my dad was was in theair force in fort walton beach.
Uh, it, there's signs all over,uh, headlights on during rain.
It's it's like no passing inthe left lane, the reminder here

(02:19:43):
in texas, but down there it isabsolutely lights on during the
rain because they've shownthat's a drop in accidents if
they do that.
So I understand that law.
That's, that's a law that Iagree with.
To help see things.

Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
I get it, but again, I I now that I I think that
everybody's saying this is thesame video.
I only seen it.
Guy records it too.
Um, I only seen it from hisangle, um, so I I'm gonna review
this the same way, because Ididn't see all this.
The only thing I saw was oncethis dude's getting ripped out

(02:20:16):
of the car.
So, um, I'm now I'm verycurious.
Uh, yeah, let's see, um, solet's put it this way, that's a
chicken shit reason to pullsomeone over, agreed?
Right now let me tell you how Iwould have handled this part.
Hey, bro, I pulled you overbecause your lights were off.

(02:20:38):
Turn them on for me.
It's raining out.
It's kind of dark out here,take off.

Speaker 3 (02:20:41):
Exactly that's it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:42):
That's how I would have handled exactly.
Have a nice day, yeah, that'sit.
So that's how I would havehandled this, but let's keep
going.
It's not raining, okay, I'm notarguing with you, I don't like
that he's saying it's notraining, when I can see wetness

(02:21:02):
on your car, brother, now itcould be getting kicked up from
the road.
But whatever, let's not beargumentative for the sake of
being argumentative, like thedriver needs a little ownership
too.
Okay, fair enough, publicsafety, cool yeah, let me turn
my lights on.
Are we good, officer?
I turned it on, have a nice day.
So okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (02:21:23):
Telling you why I'm pulling you over.
Give me your driver's license,registration proof of insurance.
No, it's keep going, I'mtelling you why, I'm pulling you
over.
Give me your driver's license,registration proof of insurance.
No, no, call your supervisor.
Why Excuse me?
Call your supervisor.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
Okay, I don't like that.
Don't tell me.
No, I'm not doing that.
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
That's not and that's not melooking at it as an ego issue.
This is actually a legitoffense.
Now I've already said Iwouldn't have pulled you over.
I personally, I wouldn't havepulled him over for it anyway.
I wouldn't have stopped you.

(02:21:52):
That's just me.
I guess me and Banning are alittle different on that
specific call traffic offense.
But if I did like I said, I'mnot going to ask for your stuff,
I'm just going to say turn yourlights on.
But if I do ask for it and Igot a legal reason to have it,

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citizens for, for us in the inthe audience, that's not the
reaction you need either.
If we're going to bridge a gap,it can't be a one sided thing.
It can't be the cops doing allthis one side and you doing all
this and you don't have to doanything.
We got to work together.
This is a.
This is an actual offense.
Love it or hate it, this is anactual offense.

Speaker 3 (02:22:33):
So you can't have this attitude either and if you
look up the the, I'm a retardwith information, but you know,
florida uses a road base thathas what's called shale and I'm
probably doing a texas slang toit, but it's a shell base,
because that's a common elementthat they can get out there from
the oceans, in the sand that'slaid down.
So what does a shell have in it?

(02:22:55):
Well, that's natural oils andthat's in that base underneath
the asphalt.
When you add rain to that, thatoil can come up on top.
So if that first 15 minutes ofthe rain, uh, just like it is in
many parts of the country, it'salmost like ice in some parts
of Florida.
So they're trying to add thatextra caution to see these cars
and the light, heavy, light,heavy rain that goes on, and

(02:23:18):
while those roads are slick.
So I understand why the law isin place.

Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
And then Mr Belfold said it's not an actual offense
if it isn't rain.
See, I don't even know.
I I don't.
In texas this isn't again, Idon't do a whole lot of traffic
and in texas I don't even thinkthis is a thing.
I think I think we have a atraffic code law about it being
dark if, if the lightingsituation changes yeah 30 30

(02:23:44):
minutes before sunset and 30minutes after sunrise and that's
it.
So to me, this wouldn't evenqualify in Texas.
This wouldn't qualify as youneeding to have your.
We don't have anything.
Am I wrong?
I don't think we have anything.

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
Do you guys remember?

Speaker 4 (02:24:01):
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (02:24:02):
Again in Texas, Obviously all through the night.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
So if it is in fact not raining which is here's the
thing Whose perception is right?
I see a wet car.
I can literally see raindropson the side of it, so that shit.
Now we're getting into theweeds on this.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
It's easy to climb into those.

Speaker 1 (02:24:29):
Yeah, is it wrinkling really light?
Does that count as raining?
Is there a drop or two fallingout of the sky?
Does that count as raining?
We're in the middle on this one.
I think everybody in theaudience is kind of like, well,
it's not raining, but okay, wesee wetness.
There's something happened.
There's been some rain at somepoint.

(02:24:51):
So I'm curious what you guysare saying in the comments here.
So I don't know.
I don't know on this one.

Speaker 3 (02:25:00):
Good night, freeman.
Thank you for coming on again,brother.
Oh is Freeman on.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
Yeah, he's getting ready to go off.
Oh, he's taking off.
Sorry, bud, he's going to getup early.
Appreciate you, freeman.
Yeah, so that's the argumentthat we're having right now.
Is it raining, is it notraining?
Right now, I can say it doesnot look like it's raining.

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
His window looks fairly dry and those look like
old drops.
You know what I mean.
Let me let me throw a statementout there.
If the, if it's not raining andthat's the letter of the law
and the officer made the stop,then as far as I'm concerned,
we're in the fruits of thepoison's tree.
You have zero probable causefor the stop and that's going to
be anything that goes on afterthis and any wrongdoing is gonna
be based on that officer'sactions.

(02:25:44):
We're looking at the video,just as y'all are.
Y'all are amazing at what youlook up.
So if we're, we're only lookingat this for the first time at
this angle.
I saw a short reel.
I believe sure yeah, inside thecar, but if they did wrong,
freaking shame on the cop man.
He freaking knows better andwhatever.
Uh, he gets on this andwherever it goes then, then he

(02:26:04):
gets um, it is what it is onthat man, but from what we're
seeing right now, it looks likeit recently or is currently, and
that's where we're at on it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
I do not agree with Ariel on this one.
He said road is pretty dry.
That is not a dry road, that isa wet road.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
I have to agree with you on that, eric.
It is a at least.

Speaker 3 (02:26:27):
Well, when you hit play, listen to the traffic
going by.
You can hear the wetness, andthat could yes, that could very
well be a 15-minute-ago rain.
It's obviously a recent rain.
But to the fact of the law,what does the law state on the
traffic code down there?
Did he violate it, did he not?
If he didn't, let him fuckinggo and let's go on to the next
them, fucking go.

Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
And let's go on to the next.
Mr billfold calling me out.
He said when eric has to shipthis bar just to justify a
victimless traffic violation ina high visibility environment,
we are entering the cops playingaround.
Fair enough, fair enough,you're right.
But when it comes to going tocourt, what do they do?
And this one's going to go tocourt, guaranteed so.
But I'm with you.
I already told you, guys, Iwouldn't have pulled this kid
over, wouldn't have pulled himover, period end of story.

(02:27:08):
Would not have pulled him over.
I see people driving with theirlights off all the time.
Don't give a shit, don't care.
The only time I care is atnight.
Um, that that's when it's a bigthing.
Uh, but this is that's.
That's a wet road, it's a moistroad.
We'll meet in the middle.
It's a moist road, all right,let's keep going, guys.

(02:27:45):
That's dangerous shit.

Speaker 2 (02:27:46):
Listen that's aggressive on the driver's part
yeah, that's not a good move.

Speaker 1 (02:27:53):
And again, if I'm the cop like, don't double down,
what do you have?
You have a damn lights notturned on.
Reset yourself, knock on.
Hey, listen, just turn yourlights on.
Have a good day.
That is a lot of cop ego,though, that you have to get
over.

Speaker 2 (02:28:13):
Well, that's what I tell.
Uh, tell all my rookies andstuff that I train Not every
stop is going to be worth whatyou go through for it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:22):
Yep Now, and here's one of the things to notice

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no-transcript, not under arrest,but you got to go.
Like that's how I handle it.
But for some reason we thinkdifferently.
On a traffic stop, on a trafficstop, all of a sudden it's like
no, we doubled down, and we seethat a lot with officers.
So what I would challengeofficers to do in a situation
like this, over such a minorthing tap on the window.

(02:29:07):
Hey, hey, listen, just turnyour lights on and we'll be good
.
Have a nice day.
You're not conceding anything,you're not.
Nothing's hurt.
The problem is fixed, theproblem's fixed.
Am I way off?
Do you guys think?
No, you're not.

Speaker 3 (02:29:26):
So I'm going back to, to even reviewing houston's
body camera and everybody at acouple different agencies.
I saw this.
I mean houston would do like Ido, you know, and that's why I
never knew I had a problem withhim.
He had the 100 knowledge here.
He'd pull up next to somebodyin the square at our one of
three lights that we have in thefriggin city and and he'd say,

(02:29:46):
hey, turn your headlights on,it's dark.
Oh, thanks, have a nice nighton.
Gone.
And it activated because he puthis back deck lights on or
something to let somebody knowbecause the lights turning green
.
He's just, he's not trying todo a full traffic stop.
He's like hey, a smart guy,smart woman, turn your lights on
.
You may not, you may have yourdash lit up on the inside, but

(02:30:07):
your lights aren't on theoutside and the street lights
can be deceiving.
We see it all the time in lawenforcement.
You guys see it as motoristsout on the road.
Oh my God, I can't believe thatguy didn't have his lights on.
He's got these little drivinglights on up front and their
dash lights are on.
They think their lights are on.
So I used to do it as acourtesy all the time hey, turn
your lights on.
Let's not get in the wrecktonight, and it's not to me.

(02:30:27):
It wasn't worth a traffic stop,you know, and we would just
yell it out to him real quickand be gone.

Speaker 1 (02:30:32):
Yeah, yep, um.
So yeah, like, let's, let'sjust keep it going, let's, uh,
like I said, it's very hard.
It's very hard for cops and andI don't fully know it, I think
it's a self-awareness thing.
I think once somebody points itout to you you'll start to

(02:30:52):
recognize it.
But until somebody points itout to you, you might not
realize it's what you do,because it's how you're trained
and I can tell you right now.
I was trained.
If somebody did something likethis, I'm ripping his ass out of
the car immediately.
I'm not going to let that doorshut.
I'm doing all these differentthings, but in my experience and
training and over the years andthe way that it's evolved,

(02:31:18):
especially when it comes tode-escalation and things like
that, look at the bigger picture.
Look at what you have.
We've got a minor, minoroffense.
If we even have an offense, andthis guy's pissed about it,
okay, nobody's happy when theyget pulled over, so let's try to
work it out.
Hey man, knock on the window.
That's my fix for this.

(02:31:39):
It doesn't mean I'm right,that's the other thing.
It doesn't mean I'm right.
So let me make sure I switchthis back.
I don't want people to getpissed off.

Speaker 5 (02:31:51):
So, all right, let's keep going.
25 seconds.
We're not for the night for thedriver, just, uh, slamming the
door and lock it.
Yep, 25 seconds.
Anybody responding coming from,coming from Commonwealth, block
, please.
Well, I'm going to West.

(02:32:14):
On top of what, keep your handswhere I can see him, sir, my
cameras on to.
I've already told you Okay.
Okay, right now you're underarrest for resisting, do you
understand?
You're under arrest forresisting.

(02:32:34):
The longer you take us on, theworse it's going to be.
Keep your hands where I can seethem, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Okay, okay, okay.
Part of the thing is trying totalk about what we would do.
I've told you what I would do.
I wouldn't have resorted toripping this guy out of the car
yet at all.
I understand why the partnercame in hot.
You hear somebody's resistingon the radio.
So you're coming to help yourbuddy because you don't fully

(02:33:18):
know what you got.
But so let's keep it going.
I mean, is he resistingphysically?
It's what we would call passiveresistance.
He's not listening to orders,but he's not fighting you
physically.
So, um, on a technicality, yeah, that that is what it would be.
Um, and then, if it is a lawfultraffic stop, you are also

(02:33:40):
supposed to provide your id.
So but let's keep going.
So here's your last warning toopen the vehicle and exit before
we're going to break the window.

Speaker 5 (02:33:46):
Id so, but let's keep going, sir, is your last
warning to open the vehicle andexit before we're going to break
the window?
Open the door and exit.
Or we are going to break thewindow.
Open the door and exit, or weare going to break the window.

Speaker 1 (02:34:00):
Now me personally.
Before I break a window, unlessI think there's an immediate
like safety issue, I'm going tocall my supervisor.
Yeah, hey, boss, this is what Igot.

Speaker 3 (02:34:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34:14):
Uh, I can break the window.
Do you want to come out here?
There's no rush right now.
What is the rush?
And if I resolve it peacefully,fuck I got all day.
I'm getting paid by the hour.

Speaker 3 (02:34:31):
Why do I want to rush ?
I feel like we're rushing this,yeah, and the only reason I'm
going to break a window is the,the exigency, and it has to be
emergency.
And houston can capitalize onthis, and I know you can too,
having the three stripes on yourshoulder if a guy calls you
going into an apartment for adomestic, that's exigent.
You hear something if they'retaking that time out to call you
.
Hey, sarge, this is what I got.
It obviously has not reachedthat exigency level and so on.

(02:34:56):
This too now I'm sure a lot ofviewers have seen.
If you look at your screen, doyou see that little bit of a
back window?
He's giving another officer achance.
He may not have heard him wecan argue all three of us all
day long on this type of stopbut he's rolled his window down
to start a conversation with theofficer on the other side.
So I'm trying to look at thisbig picture because we're

(02:35:17):
looking at it at a small fisheyelens of what's going on here.
I'm sure the gentleman drivingit may have not been raining or
something like that, and if thedude shouts out I stopped you
cause you don't have yourheadlights on, he knows in his
mind.
He didn't do something right.
My only advice to him was is gofight this in court with the
body camera footage and thefootage that you have.
Yeah, don't make it to thissituation, to where force needs

(02:35:41):
to be used.
I'm all about protecting yourrights, but man, let's, goodness
gracious, let's, let's do it ina courtroom and try that, and
if that doesn't work, put it onsocial media.
You know, whatever you need todo to, to to get eyeballs on it,
like this gentleman did in thepast.

Speaker 1 (02:35:55):
Yeah, yeah, I.
So I like Brandar's commenthere.
He said so call, call on out onthe mic.
What sounds worse to get aquicker response?
Um, I, I on the mic.
What sounds worse to get aquicker response?
Um, I, I.
Don't know that that'snecessarily what he's doing, but
I would have clarified a lot oftimes when I tell people, hey,
I got one, that's not.
I would have said not listening, and I would have said you know

(02:36:17):
, just get here, no need to runcode.
Like that's all I would havesaid because, like you said it
once, you've done this a while,you see the guy's rolling his
window down, he's getting hisphone out to record.
I know I'm gonna be there.
A minute like this is not asituation where I think this
guy's just suddenly gonna takeoff, um, but you'll start to see

(02:36:38):
those signs and symptoms ofwhen somebody's gonna take off
too, hopefully, and it doesn'talways happen that way, so it's.
The other thing is like I'mgeneralizing sometimes you don't
know, and all of a sudden themotherfucker takes off and
you're like I didn't see thatshit coming and a lot of that is
man is, is.

Speaker 3 (02:36:54):
This guy may have perceived this cop as being a
flat-out dick walking up and andhe may have had the the.
You know there's a lot offactors of just being an ass.
Uh, don't be a dick, don't be aa dick in life, you know.
Walk up and be direct,obviously because there's safety
factors.
But you can do that indifferent stages to where you
don't come off as a completepompous ass.

(02:37:14):
And I'm not saying this officeris.
I can't see what that guy'sseeing, but we've got to take an
account of everything that'sgoing on.

Speaker 1 (02:37:22):
Yeah, yeah, wade Lucero said cop is begging.
Yeah, yeah, wade Lucero saidcop is begging.
That's fun, almost as fun asmaking them put their little
notebook back in their pocketwith no name on it.

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
Somebody said to go back and look at the comments.
Clearly well clearly, briansaid the cop doesn't even have
his headlights on If you look,he doesn't have his headlights
on.
So okay, you just blew youroffense out of the water.

Speaker 1 (02:38:04):
If you're not following the law you can't
enforce that law.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Just saying Right then, andthere that whole thing's ruined.

Speaker 2 (02:38:14):
You're done.
You've already blown this up.

Speaker 1 (02:38:18):
I wish the driver would have thought to point that
out.
He might, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:38:22):
Oh, I'm sure it will get to his attention based on
this, yeah that's fucking funny.

Speaker 1 (02:38:27):
Yeah, good point.
Like I said, chicken shitoffense.
Well, we're conducting atraffic okay.
So he even rolled down the backwindow for the other officer
and I can tell you right now Idon't just casually put my arm
up on the top of the car if Ifeel threatened for my safety.

Speaker 2 (02:38:46):
No, not a chance.

Speaker 1 (02:38:48):
So no, he's on a rust .
Oh, we got a question.
Where did it go?

Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
Wait a minute.
Look at that car right there.
Minimize that for me for onesecond.

Speaker 1 (02:38:59):
Is that an old Impala Aluminum maybe?

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
I'm talking about looking at the headlights on the
friggin' violator officerstopping him.

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
Right and his me.
I'm talking about looking atthe headlights on the freaking
violator officer stopping himright and his headlights aren't
on.
Yeah, no, and his headlightsaren't on.
You hypocrite son of a bitch.
Oh, okay, so I said I got aquestion.
Um, you guys want to, you guyswant to allow to punch?
I think what he's asking areyou allowed to punch somebody in
the face on a traffic stop?
Because I saw a police officerdoing that.
I mean you can.
It just depends on what's goingon.
Punching is allowed for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:39:36):
That's a very loaded question.

Speaker 4 (02:39:39):
It has so many different answers.

Speaker 1 (02:39:43):
If.
I'm trying to get you to let goof the steering wheel, for
instance.
Yeah, I can punch you in theface to get you extracted from
the vehicle.
I tell cops and since joke'sfunny, you plan to be a cop.
Don't punch people.
Open hand, Always use an openhand, because if you punch
people you're going to hurtyourself.
It's inevitable.

(02:40:04):
It's inevitable.
There's a reason boxers tapetheir hands up, even with those
big, thick pads on.
They always tape their hands upbecause you can break your
hands through a boxing glove.
So yeah, let's see here.

Speaker 5 (02:40:23):
You are under arrest forresisting.

Speaker 1 (02:40:35):
I thought that was our guy in the driver's seat
saying that, but it's the guystanding over there by the way.

Speaker 3 (02:40:39):
Yeah, so this is the second officer that arrived and
is moving his partner's car, Ibelieve.
Yeah, so it doesn't take off,yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (02:40:50):

Speaker 4 (02:40:53):
No hair.

Speaker 5 (02:40:55):

Speaker 2 (02:41:04):
Can you all lock the door and step out?

Speaker 4 (02:41:07):
I will.

Speaker 5 (02:41:08):
Can you step out?
You're being done.
There's a traffic stop.
You're not going to be requiredto leave the car.

Speaker 1 (02:41:19):
I can tell you right now there's no fucking way I'm
going to let it escalate toripping this guy out of the car.
I've got nothing else otherthan the damn headlights.

Speaker 2 (02:41:30):
Then both two cops that fucking arrived didn't have
the headlights on morepaperwork than it's worth and,
uh, the chance of you being theunited states versus officer
whatever is increasing here.

Speaker 1 (02:41:46):
Yeah, brandar 86.
He does bring up a good point,cause we say this all the time
on here fight it in court.
The reason I say fight it incourt has nothing to do with
your paycheck, has everything todo with your safety, because
you never know the cop you'regoing to get.
And and look at what we'relooking at right now.
I mean I already know what'sgoing to happen.

(02:42:07):
I've seen this.
I just haven't seen the bodycam view.
Um, but he says fight theticket in court.
Cop paid to be there.
Civilian has to take time offof work.
Fight the ticket.
Citizens pay through the ride.
Yeah, and that's part of theoutrage.
That's why I understand.
That's why I understand whythis guy's pissed.
He may be getting a ticket forsome bullshit that he's probably
planning on fighting anyway,for money he doesn't have, for

(02:42:30):
going through something that heshouldn't have to go through.
So I get it.
I understand.
And, brandar, you're not wrong.
You're definitely a good pointand thank you for the $5, by the
way, appreciate that, brother.
Don't feel like you have tospend the money just to get us
to say your comments.
I would have said somethingabout that.
But yeah, this is country girlsaid.

(02:42:53):
How is that possible?
Under arrest for resisting whenwasn't put under arrest?
Get the fuck out of here.
So, yeah, this is.
This is one of those thingslike I'm going to call the
supervisor out here.
I want a fresh face too.
That helps you.
Sometimes, guys, You've alreadygot a bad rapport with the

(02:43:16):
contact officer.
I'm going to step back.
Hey, this is why I pulled himover.
This is what I got.
Can you go talk to him andmaybe we can resolve it that way
?
Or have the supervisor go talkto him, but I, we can resolve it
that way, or have thesupervisor go talk to him, but
I'm gonna do all that before Irip somebody out of car.
Um, and yeah, mike's right.
He said that's a scary statement.
You never know what cop you'regoing to get.

(02:43:36):
But we would be bullshitting inline if we didn't say there's
not video evidence out therethat you see a cop on team.
We talk about the chokeslamming sergeant or the sonya
massey boiling water shit whenhe tells that lady that he's
gonna put a fucking hole in herhead or shoot her right in the
face or whatever it was he said.
Do you remember that banning?

(02:43:57):
I don't remember exactly whathe said, but my reaction to
another officer saying thatwould have been just out of this
world as soon as that sonyamassey thing.
We we discussed this banningbecause we both saw it live for
the first time on sonya masseythe first would have been like
get the fuck out of here, goleave the house.
Now I will talk to her leave.

Speaker 3 (02:44:20):
That's how that should have been, so should have
never been in the freakinghouse to begin with, never been
in the house in the first place.

Speaker 1 (02:44:27):
So Houston's like what are you guys talking about?
So my mom dropped two books inthere.
Thanks, mom, pear.
Character turning around wavinghis hands hey, you, while
lowering his glasses.
Oh, that's weird, I'm pooping.
I read the description.
Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (02:44:55):
Okay.
So what did he ask for me, Iguess?
Well, for one your headlightsare all under this weather.

Speaker 2 (02:45:09):
I'm like there's multiple people here, there's no
rain.

Speaker 4 (02:45:20):
Can you can't put a lot, can you put a?

Speaker 1 (02:45:22):
when you step out of the car.
I will, Can you?

Speaker 4 (02:45:24):
call your supervisor.
Can you call your supervisor?
All right, go for it.

Speaker 5 (02:45:33):
Exit the vehicle now.
Exit the vehicle.
Show me your hands here.

Speaker 1 (02:45:48):
What is your reason, sir?
What is your reason?
What is your?

Speaker 4 (02:45:51):
reason Step out now, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:45:51):
Get on the ground.

Speaker 4 (02:45:52):
No, no, no, no.
Get on the ground, put yourhands behind your back.

Speaker 5 (02:45:56):
Put your hands behind your back.
Put your hands behind your back, put your hands behind your
back, put your hands behind yourback.

Speaker 3 (02:45:59):
Put your hands behind your back, put your hands
behind your back.

Speaker 4 (02:46:14):
Put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 5 (02:46:16):
Put your hands behind your back what's wrong with you
, even on dead weight?

Speaker 3 (02:46:19):
resistance because weight resistance, because you
have active resistancephysically let's look up Just
hindsight on this Activelyresisting to where the subject
in question is striking, doingthings, and then it may elicit
that type of response when youhave dead weight resisting.

(02:46:42):
A guy just sitting in hisfreaking car and I got issues
with it.
Man, I got a lot of issues withit.
You know, I'm not ia, I'm not,but just looking at this from
both lenses of the gentleman inthe car and then the body camera
, maybe I need to be educated onflorida law.
Maybe there's something that Iand I'm not a Florida cop but

(02:47:05):
yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
I'm just going to say , man, I think the uh, the
alleged suspect in thissituation handled that a lot
better than I think I would have.
Man, after that cop punched mein the face.

Speaker 1 (02:47:19):
Yeah, the first punch .
My man, my man went completeMartin Martin Luther King on
that.

Speaker 2 (02:47:27):
He handled himself so much better than I think I
would have.

Speaker 1 (02:47:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:33):
I would give him that right there.
Now there's so many thingswrong with this.
A I agree with you, eric, it'sa chicken shit.
Stop Turn on your lights goingdown the road.
Hey smart guy, let's get.
Just follow what the law saysDone 10-8.
Yep.
Secondly, to avoid thissituation, all the suspect had

(02:48:02):
to do was comply and say hey man, you know what?
Here's this.
He didn't have to take it tothat level, but at the same time
the officer didn't have to makethat stop.
So I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:48:15):
Yeah, and that's why I said, if we're going to truly
bridge the gap, work togetherAmen 100%.
I don't want to give you my IDbecause I think this is a
bullshit, stop.
But because I don't want togive you my id because I think
this is a bullshit, stop, butbecause I don't want to deal
with that either.
You never know what the fuckyou're dealing with.
Sometimes, right there you go.
Um, I the night actually postedthe law, by the way.

(02:48:37):
He said um, florida statute316.2171b uh, during any smoke
or fog.
That could be the key herethere, the during.
So, yeah, but what doesn't helpis not a single cop has their
lights on.
Um, and I can tell you,whenever you run code your, your

(02:48:59):
headlights usually come onright.

Speaker 3 (02:49:02):
They're going to go into a wig wag fashion, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:49:03):
Wig, wag, yeah, and we're not seeing any of that.
So that tells me they're likewhen into a wigwag fashion.

Speaker 3 (02:49:07):
Yeah, wigwag, yeah, and we're not seeing any of that
.
So that tells me they're likewhen you, when you, yeah, and
you put it in park, it's goingto go back to whatever the
officer has it set at.
Yeah, if it's dark enough forthem to come on, even on the
ford fleets.
Now those, those lights arecoming on on auto.
So we can argue this a hundreddifferent ways.
I, I think we're at a shit stop.
We're not attorneys, but yeah,we're at a shit stop.
We're not attorneys, but we'reat a shit stop right now.
And this could have beenhandled 100% different.

Speaker 1 (02:49:30):
Yeah for sure.
And another thingpassive-resistive.
So other officers out therelistening, when you've got
somebody that'spassive-resistive, they're
sitting there recording.
They've taken the time to rolldown the windows, not all the
way, but enough to talk to you.
There's a little bit of givethere.
Why are we breaking out thewindow right next to his face?

(02:49:50):
I would have broke out a rearwindow or the passenger side
window, unlock the door.
You know.
Now you're going to be able tosee what level of resistance
he's wanting to put on fromthere.
Because now you just knocked abunch of glass into his face,

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eyes, punched him, ripped himout, punched him repeatedly
again, punched him, taken himdown, punched him on the ground.
For a passive-resistive person,holy shit.
All for what?
Headlights being out?
Shut the fuck up.
This is why people don't likecops.
I'm just saying this is 100% anego thing and doubling down,
doubling down's a big thing.
Ego gets us in trouble and thendoubling down finishes us, I

(02:50:44):
think.

Speaker 4 (02:50:44):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:50:47):
I think so I think we've seen enough on that.
Yeah, if I were to grade this,it would be a failing grade, and
I think all of those officersinvolved are going to be in a
shitstorm of trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:51:06):
Just my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
I can see several zeros being written on that
check?
Yeah for sure.
Now, like I said, the point ofwhat we do here, guys, is to
bridge the gap, and I fullythink that working together we
can make things better.
It's the start to make thingsbetter.
It doesn't mean you're rollingover and surrendering your
rights and all of that stuff.

(02:51:28):
I'm just saying that if we worktogether, we can do better.
If we, if we gotta startsomewhere, if we expect it to
all be confident, to all be onthe citizen side, we're never
gonna get anywhere.
And that's kind of what thischannel's shown is that when we
start to talk, start to worktogether, a lot more things can

(02:51:48):
improve.
So, um, let's go to the nextvideo, and I really got to.
But houston.

Speaker 3 (02:51:57):
How are you on time, brother?

Speaker 2 (02:51:59):
oh yeah, I'm good man , okay, okay I forgot.

Speaker 1 (02:52:02):
I'm so used to staying up till three in the
morning with all these clowns,like last night.
Like last night, and then thefive and a half hour podcast we
did the night before that.
We're not doing that againtonight, y'all.
Matter of fact, this is thelast video.
We'll be a hard stop at threehours.

(02:52:22):
So let me see here oh, I got toshare the screen, that's what I
was looking for, share screen.
Oh, all right.
Biggie says, oh, let's gocolorado springs 911.

Speaker 4 (02:52:42):
What is the exact location of the emergency?
Hi, ma'am, I'm in front of themansion in downtown Colorado
Springs.
It's the mansion, the club.
I'm in the parking lot of 19Avenue, avenue 19.
Okay, and that's in front ofthe mansion.
Is that correct?
Yes, I'm in the parking lotright now.
There's an individual with a itlooks like a semi-automatic

(02:53:04):
weapon, a black male, in theparking lot.
He's screaming at some peopleand he has a weapon on the side
of him.
Okay, and was he doing anythingwith the weapon?
Did he raise it at all or is itjust on his side?
It's in his hand.
He's screaming at a group ofindividuals right now with it in

(02:53:27):
his hand, like in a threateningmanner.
Okay, I do have a call startedhere Just to confirm.
So that gun I know you said isin his hand.
Is it pointed at people or isit pointed at the ground?
It's like literally in his hand, like if he was like it's in
low ready, like it's like he'ssaying comments to these

(02:53:49):
individuals and group of people,like if he was going to shoot
this place up and everybody'sintoxicated over here downtown.
Okay, gotcha.
So it's not pointed, like,directly at them, but it's not
pointed at the ground either.
Is that correct?
No, okay, yes, that's correct,it is a rifle.
It's not a pistol or anythinglike that.
Okay, what is your first andlast name?
Do you have a call started here?

(02:54:11):
Yeah, I'm trying to leave theparking lot right now.
I'm not staying here justbecause I saw the weapon already
.
Okay, and then describe thatweapon.
You said it was asemi-automatic rifle, is that
correct?
Yep, it looks like an M4.
Just so, you're right, it doeslook like we do have some

(02:54:33):
officers on the way there now.

Speaker 1 (02:54:34):
That's somebody that knows a little bit about
weaponry.
Just calling something an M4 isnot a common.
Most people would say an AR oran assault rifle.

Speaker 3 (02:54:44):
She's pretty much calling this an SBR, possibly
with a full auto capabilitywhich unless it's in the right
hand.
Anyway, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:54:52):
So, um, this looks like it's nighttime, definitely
looks crowded, so uh, yeah, howare you approaching this?
So far banning.

Speaker 3 (02:55:05):
I'm going to pull up enough to where I can see the
lot.
I'm gonna black out when I canand I'm gonna try to get eyes on
the situation.
Hopefully the dispatcher's ableto narrow it down exactly.
It doesn't look like a.
Hopefully this is most of thelot that we're seeing in the
camera, uh, but where the crowdis gathering and listening, I
mean we're doing a lot oflistening as we're walking up on
this.
Obviously, obviously, if peopleare upset, you're going to have

(02:55:27):
that elevated screaming etcetera, and you're going to be
walking or running with purpose,without to cause alarm because
it may be overly indulged on thephone, right.
What if it's not what thatstate is?
So you have to have the air ofcaution when you're pulling up
on that.
Is it illegal to carry a riflein the United States walking up

(02:55:49):
and down the streets?
Due to the Second Amendment, no, was it miscategorized?
So we have to go there as lawenforcement and see is this a
threatening matter or is it aguy that's got a rifle slung and
he's in an argument withsomebody?

Speaker 1 (02:56:12):
If that's the case and you're looking over there
and there's nobody actuallythreatened, see it.
Yeah, um, patrick said, eric,you missed harrison's comment.
Apparently the cops wrote afalse report on that last video,
so that's even more damningevidence.
Um, because that's one thing.
If it doesn't match what we'reseeing in the videos, you're
done like that, either bradylist or, you know, fired,
charged, just depends falsereport.

(02:56:32):
I can tell you where I'm at.
You'd get charged, yep, andyou're done.
Huh, yep.
Uh, okay, as you should be, yep, agreed oh, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (02:56:43):
He pays the bills.
What the fuck is this talkingabout?

Speaker 5 (02:56:46):
Dumbass Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:56:47):
Can anybody have a gun?
No, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:56:50):
Why is that guy saying?

Speaker 3 (02:56:51):
it's a domestic.

Speaker 2 (02:56:52):
Who's that?
They're not domestic going on,but they're arguing.

Speaker 4 (02:56:55):
Do you fucking?

Speaker 1 (02:56:55):
see this they're arguing.

Speaker 2 (02:56:56):
They're arguing, bro.

Speaker 4 (02:57:00):
They're coming over here blowing doors on us.
Cspd, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:57:04):
They're arguing, bro.
That's it.
That's all that's going on.

Speaker 4 (02:57:07):
Her name is Officer Sony.
We got it.

Speaker 1 (02:57:10):
Be like bitch putting my work out there Won't be
telling people I'm a cop, somaybe we've got a cop involved.
That may make things a littledifferent, but this is what
happens.
We get a call.
This is one of the things thatmakes a difference Banning and

(02:57:33):
Houston of having programs outthere like Live 911 or Rapid SOS
and things like that, where youcan hear the caller, versus
you're only seeing the detailsin your text across your
computer.
So for those listening thatdon't do police work.
Think about it like your textmessage.
If somebody sends you a text,sometimes it's hard to hear the
tone or see what they're tryingto say or how they're trying to
convey it.

(02:57:53):
But if you can hear somebodysay that same text, if they give
you like a voice memo, then youget it.
You can tell if they're joking,if they're being sarcastic,
things like that.
It would have been highlybeneficial for the officers to
hear the 9-1-1 call versusreading the 9-1-1 call, because
if they heard what we just heard, I would have taken that very

(02:58:13):
serious because of thedescription you know, basically
saying it's an m4 and it's ashort barrel rifle and it's a
ready low and all thosedifferent things that she's
describing Like.
That's a very detaileddescription, so I would not be
listening to these clowns thatmuch, because they're trying to
downplay everything.
I just heard somebody describesomething very serious and very

(02:58:35):
specific and they're trying todownplay it, so let's keep going
.

Speaker 5 (02:58:39):
Okay, so nobody wants to report anything.
No, Okay.
All right guys make gooddecisions.

Speaker 1 (02:58:47):
That's an officer that's trying to clear a call
Yep, he doesn't want to dealwith it.
He's like so nobody wants toreport it.
That's an officer who doesn'twant to deal with anything and I
kind of see it his way.
If you show up and nothing'sapparent and you don't see
anybody else complaining.

Speaker 3 (02:59:03):
Look in the rest of the lot, get in and get out.
If it's not there, it's notthere.

Speaker 1 (02:59:09):
Yeah, sweep the area.
If you don't see it, there's noneed to dig too far.
So I can kind of see that.
Again, that makes thedifference.
This officer may not have heardthe call.
He may only have read it.

Speaker 4 (02:59:26):
So I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong.
I'm just trying to give youguys perspective on how we kind
of look at these things.

Speaker 1 (02:59:39):
Do you see a gun?

Speaker 2 (02:59:39):
I don't see a gun.
I haven't seen anything yet.

Speaker 1 (02:59:42):
But that was the same guy that we were talking to
earlier, right?
Yes, I'm going to go back realquick.
Take note of the outfit and thepigtails things here.
I think it's the same guy.
I'm not 100% sure.
Let me go back.
I thought it was him.

(03:00:03):
Right, right here Place.

Speaker 4 (03:00:11):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (03:00:12):
Someplace else?
No, that's the same dude, ain'tit?
Yeah, it's the same guy.
Yeah, that's the same dude.
Okay, so he's apparently a partof the arguing crowd.

Speaker 4 (03:00:27):
Mama, stop playing, you dumbass bitch.

Speaker 1 (03:00:30):
Bro, you're not helping, Just walk away.
We've been trying to do this.
I know, bro, keep going, I getit.
Thank you, okay, you okay withthat?
Yeah, the cop's not trying toarrest anybody, he's trying to
handle it at the lowest level.
Break up the arguments, try touse a little bit of you know,

(03:00:51):
diffusion.
Yeah, I'm okay with this so far.
So that's the same guy they gothighlighted.
He's arguing.
I can't tell if he's justtrying to leave.
Yeah, he looks like he's tryingto leave.
He's retrieving something now.

(03:01:14):
Oh, he's definitely got a gunnow.

Speaker 2 (03:01:19):
Yeah, I see it there Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:01:21):
What the hell is that thing?
It's probably big.

Speaker 4 (03:01:24):
That guy went back into the white Mercedes and
everybody's scattered.

Speaker 1 (03:01:27):
Yeah, it did look like an extended mag on it, but
the gun itself looked bigger,almost like a desert.

Speaker 4 (03:01:35):
It was big.
He's hiding behind the door,captain.
This is one of the slowtwo-sparks coming back towards
us.
We have the gun, good one.
Channel 8, code 1, information.

Speaker 1 (03:01:53):
What did he drop?
Did you guys notice that?
Watch the officer.
I went too far.
It's running right here, offthe door.
It's running right here, if youcan see that Just a little bit
slow If he starts coming backtowards us.
He dropped something Can't becool One for magic.

Speaker 4 (03:02:15):
Yeah, the orange, maybe it's mag.

Speaker 1 (03:02:17):
Yeah, I don't know what that was.

Speaker 3 (03:02:19):
It's his mag and his friggin' open belt holder.

Speaker 5 (03:02:27):
Put your fucking hands up.
Hey, put your hands up openbelt holder and gun extended mag
.

Speaker 4 (03:02:32):
Hey, put your hands up.
Get your hands up now, stoprunning.

Speaker 1 (03:02:37):
Use your gun Gun Oof, yeah, you can't say.
They didn't give this dudeevery opportunity to leave and
apparently he wanted toinstigate nobody had him under
duress to where he needed to goretrieve a gun.
He could have left.

Speaker 2 (03:02:54):
So right now I am not on the bad guy side, I'm
calling him a bad guy, I'm I'mgonna tell you I think the the
police handled this uhexcellently, from what I've seen
so far.

Speaker 1 (03:03:07):
Yeah, he did not make wise decisions and people are
going to be like, well, he'srunning and they shot him in the
back If he's digging for thegun.
As he's running, he clearly hadplenty of opportunities to give
himself up right there.
He has bad intentions.
He's shown that he went andretrieved a gun in a crowded
place.
I don't have a lot of sympathyright now.

(03:03:31):
They fired until he went downand they stopped.
That's another thing to pointout.
I only heard a few shotsstopped and now they're putting.
They're gaining site security.

Speaker 5 (03:03:48):
Hey, put your hands up.

Speaker 1 (03:03:52):
Okay, so this is the contact officer.
This is the same guy.
Clearly we know that he had agun.
I'm not seeing it right now,but it kind of looks like it may
be tucked under that front.

Speaker 4 (03:04:02):
Get your hands up now .

Speaker 1 (03:04:04):
Okay, so his hand was in his waistband, but he put it
up.
I'm not seeing the gun yet heinstantly oh, there he goes he's
digging yeah, he starteddigging as soon as he turned I
don't.

Speaker 3 (03:04:18):
I don't think he's got a holster on and he shoved
that down in his pants that,unfortunately, are not secured
to his waistline and it'sprobably making his pants drop,
which is going to slow him downrunning.
So he's reaching in there tohis waistline and it's probably
making his pants drop, which isgoing to slow him down running.
So he's reaching in there tograb that gun and probably, but
that's going to be a use of youknow you, are you pulling your
pants up?
Are you grabbing that gun?
There's way too many people inthis parking lot.
They can become victim toeither officer shooting and or

(03:04:40):
the the subject with the gun,yep.

Speaker 1 (03:04:43):
So okay get your hands up now, yeah he digs right
away with that right hand andit could be him trying to hold
his pants up.
But you can't take that risknow with what we've already seen
.
Can't take that risk he's got agun.

Speaker 4 (03:05:02):
Get your hands out of your air pockets now.

Speaker 5 (03:05:06):
Get your hands out.
He's got the gun right here.
Give us space.
You guys got it.
Yep, it's right here.
Okay here.

Speaker 2 (03:05:22):
Hold on, let me put on gloves.
Let me put on gloves.
Yeah, that would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (03:05:23):
I got it.
I got it.
Professional, I mean theyinstantly wear air-saving
measures very quick.

Speaker 1 (03:05:26):
Okay here, wait, hold on, let me put on gloves.
Let me put on gloves.
Yeah, that would be awesome.
I got it.
I got it Professional, I mean.
They instantly went intohard-saving measures very quick.
I don't, you know, it'sunfortunate.
He made a stupid choice, but Idon't blame these officers for
acting the way they did.
They can't take that chance.
They especially can't take thatchance with so many people

(03:05:47):
around.

Speaker 3 (03:05:48):
Yep, and there's a couple people that made a
comment over there about thegangster grip from the officer.
Let me tell you something Idon't shoot gangster, but when
you're wearing depending on thecut of vest that you're wearing
and then the crowd and you'retrying to keep your off eye to
see everything going on when youbring that firearm out, if

(03:06:08):
you're going over here to grab aflashlight or communicate on
the radio, it gets caught insidea little bit and you can see
he's got a red dot on that gun.
You know we can be accuratewith that thing punched out
center or coming out to the side.
It's not a gangster that yousee in the movies with the
Mag-10 and you know they movieswith the mag 10 and then you
know they're dumping the dumpingrounds, that's.

(03:06:29):
That's not what he's doing.
He's using a tactical.

Speaker 1 (03:06:32):
I even hate the word tactical, but he's using a
tactical approach on this whichis still accurate yeah, it's um,
with the, with the vest,something to consider that a lot
of people don't know, becauseyou guys don't wear these outer
vests like we do.
I'm just trying to positionmyself to when you.
When we stand like this and weget a shooter stance, you guys
can see my shoulders pinchedtogether pretty easy, right, I

(03:06:55):
mean, my damn elbows arepinching the mic here.
That's my shooter stance, right, I get into it.
But when I wear that vest it'svery, it's bulletproof.

Speaker 2 (03:07:03):
Right, here comes out and it is so rigid, yes, so
stiff so it's hard to get anormal it's.

Speaker 1 (03:07:14):
it actually alleviates the pressure that the
vest is putting on your arms tokick to, cant it a little bit?
Um it, it's one of those thingsthat used to be frowned upon
because we just didn't know anybetter and somebody called it
out and they didn't.
There wasn't a lot of researchthat went into it, but now,
especially with red dots, it's acommon thing.
Um it?

(03:07:34):
It alleviates, uh, issues withwith aiming.
So, um yeah, I, I like, uh, Idon't think there's any need to
keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:07:44):
Uh, it's unfortunate, and Houston can attest to this
Anytime.
I took somebody to the rangefor a recertification.
You're wearing what you wear onthe street and here in Texas in
frigging June and July, whenit's oh frigging hot 30 outside
and you're sweating your ass off, you want to get through that
qual.
But I had them come andeverything there on the street.

(03:08:04):
Why?
Because we deploy like that,we're going to qualify like it,
so I'm going to get them throughit as accurately and quickly as
possible to get them back inthere and their cruiser, cause
we have no air conditionedbuildings out there or anything.
But you have to wear what youdo on the street and you've got
to be able to come out and dothat.
And I know my guys hated me andI'm getting them to lay down on
there and they're nice bluepatrols and we're going through

(03:08:24):
the AR-15 drills and then we'regoing through the Glock or SIG,
whatever.
They're wearing drills and itwas uncomfortable and I did the
same thing to myself you lead byexample as well as Houston did
when he was training ondifferent things.
But that's why we do it.
When it comes to a situationlike this.
It's going to be commonplacefor that muscle reaction, muscle
memory when you're coming upand unfortunately God going to

(03:08:47):
be commonplace for that musclereaction, muscle memory when
you're coming up, andunfortunately god gave me these
shoulders that that doesn't fitmuch places.
It's hard to wipe your ass,dude.
Oh, I'm not gonna go there, man.
I mean you gotta rob that thingup anyway.
So you friggin when you punchthat stuff out there.
Yeah, it's gonna look a littlebit to the side, uh, because
your triceps are extended andeverything gets big on your, on
your, not from being big built,just your body chemistry, and

(03:09:07):
it's going to kick to the sidelike that.

Speaker 1 (03:09:09):
Yep, I'm with you, harrison, I like green dots
better than red.
Now I read the description Realquick.
I'll just give you kind of abrief synopsis.
Basically, the guy was foundwith an illegal Glock 17 with an
extended mag in his right pantleg.
So he was running Right handwas reaching down.

(03:09:29):
That's where the gun waslocated.
It was on the right-hand side,so that helps in the description
.
They also recovered anotherhandgun.
It was a loaded Glock 43 with adefaced serial number.
That makes a federal offenseright there.
It's probably a stolen gun.
That's the most common thingwhen we see the serial number
scratched away.
And then they also found therifle in the car.
So everything that was said wastrue.

(03:09:50):
This guy was out to cause sometrouble and, if I were to guess,
there was some alcohol anddrugs involved.
Um, but what do I know?
But all right guys, that is.
Uh, it's been a hell of a show,Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:10:05):
Great, it's been a hell of a show.

Speaker 1 (03:10:07):
Yep, been a great one .
Uh, I, I think we, um, let'ssee.
Uh, wade said I disagree.
Cop has a glock which isbrowning action tilt barrel when
sideways you will miss leftbecause it tilt barrel.
It sounds like you'redescribing from a position of
somebody that doesn't shoot andmore of somebody that's

(03:10:28):
describing something they heard.
I can tell you from experienceI can't.
I do it at the range.
It helps me, it shoots accurate, it shoots true.
I shoot hundreds now on all myfreaking things because I have a
red dot.
I tell everybody it's like acheat code to shooting and we

(03:10:50):
don't just shoot static, weshoot and move, the targets move
, we move.
So for a guy like me, that's anaverage shooter to turn into
freaking john wick that's how Ifeel with my red dot.
I feel like john wick.

Speaker 3 (03:11:01):
It's like it's hard to miss um but make a freaking
retard good with a gun.
I don't mean that.
Briefly, we have a lot ofpeople in law enforcement that
I've taken to the range, yeah,and we're like holy shit, man, I
put a target in front of youand we're just at 10 yards,
which is 10 to 25 is a longdistance for a pistol to dial up
accurately.

(03:11:21):
And if they can't hit the broadside of a barn on that they're
not going to.
You can ask Houston.
And if they can't hit thebroadside of a barn on that
they're not going to.
You tell you to ask houston.
I'm not going to let him backout on the street.
He ain't going to let him backout on the street unless we're
accurate with that.
And and you can't just sit thereand shoot a paper, you've got
to make it dynamic, they havegot to move.
They get, because what's goingon?
You know these guys only shotat paper their entire life and

(03:11:41):
they're chasing after this guy.
That's not paper running infront of them.
They're not prepared for thatsituation.
Maybe somebody else can get hitby that freaking stray round
and I hate.
Even you know you never want toend somebody's life.
Um, that's the last thing youwant to do is a law enforcement
officer and unfortunately, fromwhat we read, I believe that
gentleman lost his life thatnight yeah, um, yeah, but I I've

(03:12:02):
shot, canted plenty with thered dot and I carry a Glock.

Speaker 1 (03:12:07):
I carry a Glock.
What is it?
17, 19, 43.
, 21.
I don't have a 21.
What's the 40,?
Cal, the 23.
I've got a 23 that was mygrandfather's, that I converted
to a 9.
Actually, keep talking, it's inthis room.

Speaker 3 (03:12:25):
Yeah, I'm sure he changed the upper on and got a
new barrel and easy conversionon the Glock.
But yeah, I mean no Houston man.
Dude, this has been in theworks for a year and because of
your schedule as a lawenforcement officer, it was so
hard to get you here.
And you're here.
Oh, that's beautiful man.

Speaker 1 (03:12:45):
That's nice.
Oh yeah, so hard to get youhere and you're here.
Oh, that's beautiful man.
That's nice.
Oh yeah you can see I turned itinto a boba fett mandalorian
gun which, uh, he's, he's ingreat he's, uh engraved in the
side and I've got what, what, uh, why this is going to be the
thing that gets off youtube.

Speaker 3 (03:12:59):
But what?
What sighting system do youhave on that?

Speaker 1 (03:13:02):
I couldn't say it uh, it's a trigicon rmr.
Oh nice, okay, wow with a cheapass.
Uh, no offense nightstick, butyour your weapon.

Speaker 2 (03:13:10):
Mounted light system is very inexpensive, so that's
what's wrong with nothing, wrongwith cheap and good, right yeah
if it works if it works correctand gets the job done, for
either competition, shooting orwhatever.

Speaker 1 (03:13:28):
And that's all this is.
Guys, this is a show pony, itis just for funsies.
This isn't what I would carryanywhere.
It's got a comp on thereslotted slide all that stuff.
So it's a fun gun.
It shoots very true for a Glockand good stuff, but it's an
airsoft gun.
Yeah, but it's an airsoft gun.
Youtube it's an air gun,absolutely airsoft.

(03:13:52):
Yeah, airsoft, airsoft block.
It's not actually it only sayspew, pew, wait, don't show it
shit.
I didn't know that guys they're, they're warning me, yeah my
bad, all right.
Well, if we get pulled down,actually we should probably end
this really quick.
Hey guys, um, real quick, ifyou want to support the show,

(03:14:13):
I'm posting the.
Uh, buy me a coffee.
So youtube doesn't get all ofour money.
Uh, so I got that in the thing.
Um, I'm gonna post the discord.
Please jump on our discordeverybody.
Yeah, I'll probably be on therea little bit later.
I want to grab a food, a snackitem, and then, uh, yeah, jump
on there.
And then, um, but, yeah, uh,display, a firearm is not

(03:14:36):
prohibited.
Okay, cool, mag dump knows.
Yeah, so we were just doing itfor educational purposes.
And then, um, yeah, so whatelse?
We've got discord.
We've got the buy me a coffee.
We've got patreon coming.
We've got a lot of new featuresthat we plan to do with the
discord.
Um, so people that do havememberships are getting more for

(03:14:57):
their money.
Um, houston gas.
Thank you very much for being aguest, sir, appreciate your
story.

Speaker 2 (03:15:03):
Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 1 (03:15:07):
Shout out to Code 3 Technology one more time.
Clay Jespin and all his people,great people.

Speaker 2 (03:15:14):
Pretty good dudes.

Speaker 1 (03:15:16):
I will do my own inspirational ad that I'm making
up for Code 3 Technology rightnow.
If you're looking for theAmazon Prime of police
technology and firefighters andfirst responders, find Code 3
Technology.
That's the best way to describethem from an amateur.

Speaker 3 (03:15:34):
Based out of the great state of Arizona, and now
Houston is the Texas director ofsales.
You reach out to Houston Gas atwhat is it?
Code3technologiescom.
Am I right on that, houston?
Yeah, let me pull up.
Yes.
Code3technologiescom.
Am I right on that, houston?
Yeah, let me.

Speaker 2 (03:15:46):
Pull up Code3Technologycom and you can
find any and all of ourinformation.
And if you're an agency head,understand this.
We don't want to sell youanything but a good relationship
and know that we will be thereto take care of whatever your
needs are.
We don't we.
We sell solutions.

(03:16:07):
We don't sell products yep, Ilike it.

Speaker 1 (03:16:11):
And before we go, this is what we're talking about
code three technology make sureyou guys check out their page,
see what they're all about.
Wonderful place.
Get your stuff there and justknow that the people selling it
to you have all done the job.

Speaker 3 (03:16:30):
I think we need to demo a couple of those drones.
Let's text Clay tomorrow andmake sure we can demo a few of
those things here.

Speaker 1 (03:16:36):
The old face with the name right there.
Yeah, you're already up there,buddy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:16:45):
He's got his daughter there and it's awesome, man I
like it.
They're one of the greatestorganizations I've ever seen and
I love so much that they hiredHouston.
All I did is intro them andHouston pulled it in, man for
the win.
They're blessed to have him andHouston was blessed to have

(03:17:05):
them, and it's a match made man.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (03:17:09):
It's fantastic.
I think overwhelminglyeverybody loved you, loved your
story and would more thanwilling to have you come back on
.

Speaker 2 (03:17:22):
Anytime you'll have me, I am ready and willing.
Thank you, guys, and everybodyout there that listened.
Thank you for listening, andwhether you like us, love us,
hate us doesn't matter.
Let's just come together, okay,come together.
We can agree to disagreesometimes and still be friends

(03:17:44):
okay.

Speaker 1 (03:17:45):
Hell yeah, I like it In a culture that seems to not.
If you disagree with somebodyabout one thing, they write you
off.
That's not the way to be.
We can disagree and still befriends.

Speaker 3 (03:17:59):
And Houston.
When we go off, man stickaround for a minute and we'll
chit chat.
Everybody watching man.
Thank you all so much forcoming in, taking the time away
from your family to do this.
We appreciate it more thanyou'll ever know.

Speaker 1 (03:18:12):
Yep man, I wish we could get Houston on the Discord
right now, because I would loveto just have our offline chat
in the Discord.
All right guys.

Speaker 3 (03:18:22):
We'll talk to him about it when we go out.
Maybe he can download it and beon there for 10 minutes before
he goes to.

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