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All right, welcome back to CopsOne Donut.
I am your host, Eric Levine.
I have with me today Dead LegBanning Sweatland and Badge 502,
Anthony Christian.
What's up, buddies?
Aloha.
SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
We were all hanging
out beforehand.
That's why we we got the goodsurprise out.
SPEAKER_04 (01:13):
Yeah, we wasted the
good surprise on you.
SPEAKER_16 (01:16):
Oh man.
Yeah, we spent speaking of moviereferences.
Love it.
Um, so we have not been on livefor a while.
I was out of state, and peopleare like, what they didn't have
internet there?
They had internet, I just didn'thave all my setup, so can't
bring this crap everywhere withme.
SPEAKER_04 (01:34):
Yeah, Eric needs his
19 camera angles.
SPEAKER_16 (01:37):
Yeah, because I
mean, if I didn't, how would I
go camera two?
And then camera three.
How you like that?
And then let's fade her backright in fade right into one
there.
Look at that.
Look at the fanciness going on.
SPEAKER_04 (01:53):
Usually a
masterpiece like that is made
out of oil and canvas.
SPEAKER_16 (02:00):
So let's uh let's
just go over to the comments and
say hello to everybody.
I see uh country girls in thehouse.
What's up, girl?
Wade Lucero is here.
We got Craig Holcomb in the inthe audience.
Ward is over here, one of mybuddies from work.
He said, We starting day shiftshows soon.
He asked that every time.
(02:20):
Nope, not yet.
I'm trying.
Uh Harrison Brock, a laptop.
A laptop is for commoners, sir.
I I have standards and uh and Idon't trust internet connection
uh from a hotel.
So there's that.
Yeah, it's just it's tooinconsistent, man.
(02:41):
Can't can't trust it.
Tim's in the house.
What's up, Tim?
David Edmston.
What's going on, buddy?
I see Marine Blood's in thehouse.
Um my mama's in the house.
Patrick Truelove, what's up,brother?
Harrison Brock, what's going on?
He said, Did you forget how torun the show?
(03:01):
I didn't forget.
I just uh you get you know getrusty.
You don't have the same flow.
You gotta get back into thegroove.
Eric doesn't let his hair grow.
Uh I don't.
SPEAKER_04 (03:14):
Told you, man, 16
haircuts a week.
I don't know how you affordthis.
SPEAKER_16 (03:17):
Listen, I I'm almost
due.
It's been almost two weeks.
I get a haircut every two weeks.
SPEAKER_04 (03:22):
It's been hours.
SPEAKER_16 (03:23):
It's been I've I can
hear it growing.
It's been 84 minutes.
SPEAKER_13 (03:28):
Mine hasn't been
this long in 10 years.
I'm gonna continue to see whatit does.
The sides will always be short.
SPEAKER_16 (03:33):
Listen, I do a mid,
I do a mid-skin fade.
So every time.
So once I can't, once the skingoes away, I start to feel too
shaggy.
I still got military standardsto uphold too, guys.
Don't forget one week in amonth.
No, no, no, 24 days a year allat once.
SPEAKER_04 (03:54):
One week in a month,
two weeks a year.
Now you do it all at once, yougo away for two full weeks.
SPEAKER_16 (04:00):
I know the Air Force
is the butt end of a lot of
jokes when it comes to PTstandards.
But we just moved our runtime upto two miles.
SPEAKER_13 (04:11):
What was we?
What was the initial?
SPEAKER_16 (04:16):
It was a mile and a
half.
48 feet.
Yeah.
What was the breathing apparatuswhen you're at the hospital
where you gotta make thoselittle floaty balls go up to the
top?
SPEAKER_04 (04:28):
The previous PT
thing was where they have to
blow into that machine to makesure they have some lung
capacity.
SPEAKER_16 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah.
For some reason, all the AirForce guys kept just sucking on
it.
It's weird.
You're supposed to blow, boys.
Uh practice makes perfect.
Oh, we got legendary worms inthe house.
What's up, Jerry?
Wade this arrow.
I've had one haircut in the lasteight years.
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I believe you.
You said that like we would besurprised, Wade.
We ain't surprised.
I believe you, sir.
Oh shit.
My mom said, Yeah, our family isall back together tonight.
Julie N in the house.
What's up, Julie?
Harrison said, You're in the AirForce and not a PJ.
(05:16):
No, sir, because I'm not badass.
You gotta be a badass to be aPJ.
I'm not that guy.
Time to two miles.
Uh, I don't know.
I don't know what the standardis for that.
SPEAKER_03 (05:26):
Four hours.
SPEAKER_16 (05:27):
Yeah.
All day.
You get when the sun comes up,and you gotta be back before the
sun goes down.
So, but what have I missed,boys?
Tell me.
Uh, I've been gone.
Was there anything fun thathappened over the weekend?
Uh the two weeks banning.
SPEAKER_04 (05:42):
I had a baby.
SPEAKER_16 (05:43):
Oh, there we go.
That's the topic I was trying tohit.
SPEAKER_13 (05:46):
Are you healing
well?
SPEAKER_04 (05:48):
I am.
I didn't even have to have anepisiotomy or nothing.
Yeah, it's awesome.
SPEAKER_13 (05:53):
Nice.
Was your delivery all natural inthe tub of your house?
SPEAKER_04 (05:58):
It was.
It was wild.
Who knew?
Red states be damned.
We could do anything.
SPEAKER_16 (06:06):
So, how did it go?
How long did it take?
I know you was uh high risk, soyeah, it was uh yeah, that's it,
man.
SPEAKER_04 (06:14):
The old geriatric
packer, you know.
Um no, it was it went well.
We um you know, it was about anhour, hour and a half, and our
little girl came earth time.
SPEAKER_16 (06:23):
So that's uh really
potent, man.
SPEAKER_04 (06:26):
That's that's it,
man.
I still have my inshore didn'teven have to come out of the
fridge.
SPEAKER_13 (06:29):
That's awesome.
And then when they handed youyour baby, they gave you a
handicap sticker for the highschool graduation so you can
park course.
SPEAKER_04 (06:36):
There you go.
Early graduation.
Exactly that.
High school graduation is gonnacome.
I'm gonna need a freaking uh I'mgonna have to take my jazzy
there.
SPEAKER_13 (06:44):
Hug around.
SPEAKER_16 (06:46):
Love it.
Well, congrats, brother.
I'm happy for you, man.
All right.
Are you doing have you done thename and all that stuff yet?
SPEAKER_04 (06:54):
Uh it is out there,
yeah.
Little uh little Avery Rebeccahas Earthside.
SPEAKER_16 (06:58):
Yeah, I like that.
I like that.
SPEAKER_04 (07:00):
She's a little
sweetie.
Super attitude, man.
Oh my god, the attitude.
She's a saucy girl.
SPEAKER_16 (07:06):
Now, I'm gonna I'm
gonna throw some old school
baseball knowledge at you guys.
One of my favorite baseballplayers um back in the day.
Great pitcher.
I think he's very underrated,but he because of all the talent
that surrounded him was SteveAvery.
SPEAKER_04 (07:22):
I named it we named
him after Sean Avery.
That's what I'm gonna telleverybody that we named him
after a ranger.
SPEAKER_16 (07:26):
There you go.
Yeah, Steve Avery for theAtlanta Braves back in the day.
I think he was very underratedbecause he's he's with Schmoltz,
Maddox, uh they have they had somany good pitchers.
Poor guy.
Just living in the shadows.
All right, let's uh okay, soI'll give you guys some updates.
(07:47):
Uh we put out our two shows forDTV.
Uh not the not the fullepisodes, those are coming very
soon.
Um, I think we're going to we'regonna pop them up on YouTube in
a unlisted, and then we're gonnashare them with with people as
we go to kind of do like a slowrelease.
(08:09):
But the promos are out there.
If you haven't seen them, uh goahead and check out DTV's
YouTube channel and you guys cancheck those out.
But overall, very good reactionswhen we uh showed them out at
the National Real Time CrimeCenter Association conference.
That's the longest name ever.
SPEAKER_13 (08:28):
If if people don't
understand anything on editing
and and creating, the amount oftime from the time this was shot
till the completed episodes wasdude, that's groundbreaking.
The amount of time that theywere able to pump this stuff out
and the quality that they did.
I mean, heck, I wish you showedthe demo right here.
I think these people want to seethat.
SPEAKER_03 (08:48):
I mean, it's uh I
mean it's up to you, but you
know, it's uh just the demo, youknow, just for people to get a
little taste of uh just becausethe amount of time that it
takes, because you physicallyhave to shoot it, so you have to
create the content that they'regoing to edit on top of it.
So there's all of that time ontop of it.
(09:08):
Then afterwards you have to gothrough the editing and color
grading and make sure the audiosare great, and then you mix
everything together, pull yourgraphics, like it's a lot of
time.
SPEAKER_13 (09:18):
That's why I don't
do it, but it's a lot of time,
and I and I think Marine Bloodwants to know if the subs get
early access to the full episodethere, Eric.
SPEAKER_16 (09:28):
Just so where he um,
you know what?
I might uh I'll try to figureout a way to do that.
Uh Harrison brought gifted 10memberships before we show
anything.
Thank you.
Appreciate that, Harrison.
It's been we're we're hurtingthis month because we haven't
had any lives in two weeks.
So I really do appreciate itthis this week, fellas.
Uh and ladies, uh any help wecan get to pay the bills here
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for this show.
But I'm looking through, I'mjust looking to see who got
memberships here.
Uh regulars, anyway.
Eye of the night is one ofthose.
So I'm glad he got one.
SPEAKER_13 (10:02):
See piss off.
SPEAKER_16 (10:03):
See, yep, see piss
off got one.
I love the names.
Congrats, guys.
Appreciate it, Harrison.
Thank you very much.
Uh, but let's uh let's biggiesize this guy.
SPEAKER_13 (10:14):
And we'll cover uh
Craig Hollcombe, just did 10.
We'll do that after this.
SPEAKER_16 (10:18):
Oh, yep, Craig, I'll
get you right after this, sir.
Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_15 (10:50):
Oh, my god.
SPEAKER_08 (11:02):
It's policing based
on technology, though.
SPEAKER_03 (11:04):
It's for the right
reason if it's not big other
launching.
What if somebody had a launchpanel?
SPEAKER_10 (11:10):
Instantly you're
gonna be able to tell what your
closest camera is.
SPEAKER_16 (11:16):
This could be a
dangerous element.
This came out two minutes ago.
You already got the drone up inthe air.
I'm a pink sprinkle guy.
I'm Sergeant Eric Lovina.
Jared's an old buddy of mine,and I want to take you straight
into the nerve centers that helpcops stay ahead of crime.
(11:39):
We'll meet the teams behind thetechnology and show you exactly
what it takes to keep the citysafe.
We're not just talking aboutpolice work, we're living it in
real time.
SPEAKER_04 (11:55):
Boy, howdy, that's
right up my alley.
SPEAKER_16 (11:58):
It's not too bad,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (11:59):
That is right up my
alley.
I'm gonna have to join one ofthose bad boys.
SPEAKER_16 (12:03):
So that's one.
I wanna I wanna give a thank youout to Craig for uh doing the 10
memberships.
Thank you, brother.
Really appreciate that.
Deadleg got one.
I like that.
Look at Deadleg one.
So you can thank Craig there.
Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
Real-time feedback,
like a real-time crime center.
SPEAKER_16 (12:22):
Right, exactly.
And 1-800 the GOAT.
That's probably one of the bestnames ever.
I love it.
Uh Freeman Keys.
I never get one.
Guys, you do have to check yoursettings.
If you're not set up properly,it won't get it won't let you
get one.
So you gotta you gotta watch it.
Um so we got that one.
(12:44):
Now let me show you guys theother one real quick.
Uh, share screen.
Alright, let's biggie size thisguy.
Uh-oh.
I hear my I heard myself for asecond on somebody's computer.
SPEAKER_04 (13:01):
I know you should
say it from our end.
It's insane.
SPEAKER_16 (13:03):
It's probably it's
probably banning jumping on his
phone.
There's always new tech hit inthe streets, and in the police
world, it can make thedifference between life and
death.
I'm Sergeant Eric Levine, and mybuddies Banning Matt and I are
diving headfirst into the latestgear, gadgets, and innovations
shaking up law enforcement.
We'll test it, challenge it, andyou know, sometimes break it to
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find out what really works forthose behind the back.
Get ready for a wild ride oftech, teamwork, and truth.
Welcome to Tech and Order.
I've got some news, fellas.
Would you get a good?
Axon has invited us out to go totheir headquarters in
Scottsdale, Arizona, and theywould like us to come out and
try their technology.
(13:48):
Awesome, man.
SPEAKER_14 (13:51):
Welcome to Axon and
our beautiful headquarters in
Scottsdale, Arizona.
Come on in.
Exploring a joint.
SPEAKER_16 (13:59):
Oh, it's got in
there.
It's got in there.
SPEAKER_02 (14:10):
Start here with a
taser tent.
SPEAKER_16 (14:12):
I want to see how
accurate I can be with this
taser.
SPEAKER_15 (14:18):
Stop resisting!
SPEAKER_14 (14:20):
You hit the target.
You hit it in a sensitive area.
SPEAKER_18 (14:24):
Body camera.
It's a real-time translator onthe body camera.
unknown (14:30):
Leave me alone.
SPEAKER_16 (14:31):
There you go.
Drones don't really need a lotof explanation.
SPEAKER_02 (14:35):
No, but they do need
a license, and I have one and
you don't.
That's true.
SPEAKER_16 (14:38):
What we're doing
with Tech and Order, I want to
be able to give cops and thecitizens this transparency and
accountability of the tools thatare available, and that the
citizens should be demandingthat their cops have this stuff.
Gotcha.
And that the cops should bedemanding that they have this
stuff, assuming that when weplay with it, that we agree with
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it.
Because I can tell you rightnow, us three on this panel, if
we don't agree with it, we'regonna let you know.
We're gonna tell you why.
Matt! Come out, come out.
There we go.
SPEAKER_04 (15:18):
Very nice.
SPEAKER_16 (15:19):
I like it.
Mike Cucumber.
Mike's in the house.
He said, tell Axon to remove themute button on their body cams.
They don't make body cams justfor cops, guys.
Like private security.
People can buy them privately.
So that's that's never gonnahappen.
That's never gonna happen.
Uh you already have you should,and and we've discussed this a
(15:41):
bunch on here, but you shouldhave policies in place that
police shouldn't be muting thecameras.
That should be an afterthingthat gets muted during the what
do they call that process?
Redaction.
Redaction process, yes.
So I I don't think puttingparameters on uh a private
company like Axon saying thatthey have to put mute buttons or
(16:03):
take mute buttons off, I don'tthink that's gonna fly.
Um, because you're not gonnatell me what I'm gonna do with
my private company either.
So uh what's Brandar?
Brandar wrote a novel over here.
Let's see what he had to say.
What are y'all's take on theInstitute for Justice lawsuit in
Norfolk to get all the flockcameras taken down, all the cops
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just accessing them to trackexes and exes and exes new
boyfriends or or citizens?
Well, I don't think it'snecessarily that you need to
take the cameras down.
I think you need to have aserious revamp of the people
inside that department.
Because the thing is you cannothide who's logging in and where
they're logging in and whenthey're logging in and what
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they're looking at.
So if you see that dead leg islogged in and starts looking
into that shit, hold himaccountable.
There needs to be regularaudits.
That's what your Freedom ofInformation Act stuff is for.
So don't blame the tool, blamethe tool bag that's trying to
abuse it.
Are we gonna get rid of spoonsbecause people start getting
fat?
(17:08):
No.
Poor banning.
Please don't.
I mean, what's your what's yourthoughts on that, Anthony?
SPEAKER_04 (17:18):
Uh, do not blame the
tool.
You could do anything withanything.
So it's it's it's always been soit goes back to the the
million-time gun debate, right?
Like everybody will tell youdon't blame the tool, blame the
person.
It it's the same for anything.
Don't blame whatever.
SPEAKER_16 (17:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (17:34):
You got you gotta
mitigate the person.
SPEAKER_16 (17:37):
Now now what what do
I think should happen?
Prison, jail, something.
You need to face harshpunishments for abusing the
tools that only police haveaccess to, like that.
SPEAKER_04 (17:49):
Yeah, like for
instance, I I mean you guys sit
with the same type of stuff.
Like I sit in front of acomputer all day that I could
access anything.
All I need is your your lastname and your uh date of birth.
I can pull up anything I want.
I can't because there's policyin place, and not not only will
I just I'll lose my job,obviously, but I'll get
prosecuted for that.
You gotta be able to be able toenforce that.
SPEAKER_16 (18:10):
Yep.
Yep, I like that.
SPEAKER_13 (18:12):
There's a there's a
few good departments out there
that are actually taking thatpolicy in place and they're
going into the tools uh behinduh certain camera manufacturers
to where they can go in andstate that uh they they can
deactivate that button uh whilethey're in standby mode, and
then when they go to record thatthey can't actually mute it.
It's gonna give the noise, it'sgonna give this and that.
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But they they the officer ordeputy will sign a policy or
agent signs a policy statingyour camera can't be muted and
technology is changed to whereyou can't mute it while it's
live and you can't disengagethat camera uh during the event
of the call due to the CAD andRMS uh call times.
And if you if you're caughtmuting your it your it's
disciplinary action.
So I had that that was a bigpolicy for me when I ran patrol
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is if I catch you muting, it'sgonna be training.
If I catch you muting again,well, first of all, if you're
muting and it's a part of thatcase, it's probably gonna be
termination.
But if you're muting, if youmute again, you're you're done.
Um a lot of it's a trainingissue when we when you're
getting people from other otherdepartments.
SPEAKER_16 (19:11):
Yeah, the the um I
like Craig's questions here.
How do they track an X with abody camera?
Um it's not that they'retracking an X necessarily with a
body camera, it's possible,especially with the AI features
now, when you go into like anevidence.com, you can type in a
key name, a key phrase,something like that, and it can
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scrub through and try to findanything related to that thing
or person.
So I could type in John Smithand it's gonna try to find all
the body cam related to JohnSmith.
So it could be the same with anX.
If you think an X made contactwith somebody on a body cam,
that's one thing.
But I think specifically whatthey were talking about is the
LPR cameras, the license platereaders.
(19:53):
So what they would do there istype in their ex's license plate
and track and see where they'vebeen throughout the city.
So that is one thing that theycould do.
SPEAKER_03 (20:02):
Um I would say doing
that's no different than running
the plates through NCIC.
You gotta have a reason to bedoing this.
SPEAKER_16 (20:09):
Yes, absolutely,
agree.
Um, and then to the point aboutmuting body cams, there's
another thing that you guysdon't know about body cams, it's
software related.
So the the department itself, ifit made a policy that you can't
mute your body cam, it couldactually disable the feature on
the on the body cam itself.
So even though it's got thecapability, you can turn the
(20:30):
feature off and it can't do it.
So um that's just something elseto consider.
It may that may not be commonknowledge, I don't really know,
but I figured I tell you guysright now, and you can say
you're well informed.
Um Brandar donated another fivebucks to us.
Thank you, Brandar.
Uh usually Brandar is Navy,right?
If I I think so.
(20:51):
I think Brandar is uh is in themilitary, but shout out to him,
sir.
Uh salute.
Um, this goes around needing awarrant to put a tracker on a
car, though.
It auto tracks everyone withouta warrant.
Um, that's not true.
SPEAKER_03 (21:05):
In a way, yes, but
in a way, no, because all you're
doing is taking something thateverybody has the same access
to.
You can go stand out on a cornerand watch in video in your video
when every red car comes by andcalls someone and say, hey, this
red car, like it's the thewarrant would be when you're
physically applying something toa physical vehicle.
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I get to where we're we're nowin that that hybrid cross world
where some things you would sayfor sure you need to get a
warrant, you're like you'd thinkyou would, and some things
you're like it is that whereit's kind of that weird outside
of the thing because my wife'sfrom China, like China, China.
Like she's straight off the boatwhen she came here, she wasn't
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adopted.
So when we go to China, likeI've been to China, China, and
China, China has this thesurveillance way more than we
do, but it's the same type ofthing there.
It's there, they have theirgovernment stuff and all their
things, but the technology thatthey're using it, they're using
it to try to find things in realtime.
Again, it goes back to the butthe the people that have access
(22:11):
to it and the lawfulness of theaccess and what they're able to
do and the parameters thatthey're able to do within that.
I think that comes down to athing, but it's that where I
think you're gonna we're gonnahave to there's a couple states
that are gonna have to have a acase that's gonna have to go to
a state supreme court that'sgonna end up having to go to the
Supreme Court Supreme Court withI'm gonna guess the flock
(22:33):
cameras and everything like thatthat's that's in that type of a
third-party company is doingsomething, and then they share
that data with the you know,when when that gets involved, at
some point that's gonna be aSupreme Court case within the
next five to ten years.
I I would that's a safe bet Iput money on it just because of
(22:54):
how fast the technology isevolving, especially with what
Eric's saying, the AI technologywith hey, I'm looking for this
type of vehicle, and then youcan go in and back search and
back go back through therecordings and apply that AI,
and an AI machine learning is athousand times faster than any
of the four of us here puttogether.
So if you're looking for aspecific license plate or
(23:15):
something like that, so I thinkthat the will come into a like
right now.
No, that you're not gonna haveto have a warrant yet, but
there's gonna become a case towhere they're gonna under these
specific circumstances, likethey're gonna have to start
outlining that stuff and put itinto law where it's either law
before it becomes policy or thepolicy becomes before law, but I
(23:35):
there's gonna be somethingthere.
SPEAKER_16 (23:36):
Oh, yeah, there's
gonna be cops that ruin it.
That's it's just what happenswith every cool tool that we get
out there.
Um, Freeman Keys, uh, he said,uh Eric, are all those certain
all those searches aredocumented, right?
You can't hide what you'researching for.
Absolutely not.
Everything is 100% like you needto be logged in.
Um, and when you do a search, ithas to be related with an
(24:01):
offense or incident number toshow that you are going, you're
you're actually using it for alaw enforcement purpose, you're
not just willy-nilly looking atshit.
Um, otherwise, it won't let yousearch.
So that is these are the stepsthat are put in place, and that
is kept forever.
Those documents, those recordsof searching and logging, those
(24:21):
are kept.
SPEAKER_04 (24:22):
Um, so there's no
there's no sharing passwords,
there's policies in place inthat apartment for sharing
passwords, you can't do that.
They they do their best toreally make sure that you're
doing what you're doing and thatwhat you're doing is is both
legal and proper.
SPEAKER_16 (24:37):
I've never seen this
or seen anybody try to do this.
I don't think you can access itoutside of your own network, but
I'm not 100% on that.
Um, I'm not 100% sure on that.
So things to consider.
I I like the fact that thatthat's this is one of the things
that helps me sleep knowing thetools because they're powerful
tools and we should not abusethem, but knowing the checks and
(24:59):
balances and knowing the federalregulations that support that
when it comes to regular auditsum and how much information you
can store and all of that stuff,I think I think you guys would
have a fair amount of confidencein it, but again, it's big
brother, it's it's real close.
So I I I think as long as wekeep it in public areas and
(25:22):
things like that, um that that'sit.
Um what did what did Cucumbersay?
The Fourth Amendment has beeneroded so much you guys are
actually talking about flockcameras being constitutional to
each their own, bro.
SPEAKER_03 (25:40):
I mean what's the
difference between a pole
standing there and a person?
SPEAKER_16 (25:46):
Yeah, if I posted a
cop up there on the corner and
he just turns his body cameraon, it's the same fucking thing.
SPEAKER_04 (25:54):
Cost less than that.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
That's where you
know someone's gonna sue based
off of that, and it's gonna getadjudicated to Supreme Court,
it's gonna become a law at somepoint.
Yep, it's either gonna become athing, and a s each state's
gonna end up having their ownthing, like with like talking on
the cell phones and other likesmoking bans, like every time
that you know each state goesthrough the same stuff, but
(26:17):
yeah, it'll eventually because Ilike I wonder too, because we
the community that I live in,it's not gated, but it feels
like it's gated because there'sonly two entrances.
So, unless you live in here,there's there's literally
there's no parks, there's nobusiness, there's nothing here.
It's our two little communities.
And I I seen them going up abouta couple months ago, and I
(26:39):
remember texting Eric askingEric, is this what this is a
part of?
Because I wanted to know why arethese cameras now here at the
entrance of where I'm gonnadrive in and out, and who is
watching this, why are theythere?
Who has access?
Like, what I have the same sameconcerns.
So if it sounds like it we'retrying to get away from having
(27:01):
war, like no, I would ratherhave a case go to go to Supreme
Court, so then it's it's thereis no gray area.
That's this is the way the lawlay in, this is the way we're
gonna do it.
SPEAKER_16 (27:11):
So yeah, it's it's
all so new that we just haven't.
I mean, we're we're learning howto navigate it as it happens.
SPEAKER_04 (27:19):
Those aren't even
the cameras that I have a big
problem with.
The ones that I have a hugeproblem with are cameras like
the uh I don't know if you guyshave the mountain ticket
cameras.
I don't love.
SPEAKER_16 (27:27):
I kind of I don't
agree with those.
SPEAKER_04 (27:29):
No, I don't I I get
it, but I don't love that.
You know, I don't agree with iteither.
The ones that bother me, I don'tknow if you guys have them in.
I know you guys have some bigcities around you guys.
Do you guys have high likecongestion traffic cameras?
Are you familiar with those?
So in New York, if you driveduring a certain time of the day
when it's high traffic and highcongestion, you'll get a ticket.
I got a$13 ticket in New Yorkbecause I drove through a
(27:49):
congestion zone.
That was insane to me.
SPEAKER_13 (27:54):
That's that to me,
that's controlling public space,
and that's that's a violation.
SPEAKER_03 (27:59):
But that's like a
red light camera to me.
I I I'm not a fan of red lightcameras or like when they like a
speed gun, like a vehicle that'ssitting on the side of the road
that takes a picture of your carin the speed cameras.
Nope.
There's some things that youphysically need someone to do,
but because the those likecameras in general, because when
(28:20):
I first got out of the militaryin 2005, I worked for Target for
just a little bit.
We had cameras back then that Icould physically show you, touch
you, and you still wouldn't seethe cameras.
So now take that technology 20.
So the amount of cameras that uhyou're seeing on every day,
(28:44):
you're probably seeing less atcameras like at home than you
are like when you're out inpublic, the likelihood of you
being on more cameras than it'sit's one of those like there's
there's some weird things withlike with some technology with
cameras or with like like beingspied on or hacked.
I just assume that this is beingspied on, or I just assume that
Big Brother's watch.
(29:05):
If you just assume someone'swatching, or you just you know,
as a good human, you just be agood human, then you have
nothing to worry about.
SPEAKER_04 (29:12):
But I I get the
yeah, this is literally a toll
that came in from the MTA, andthere's no way to there's no way
to pay it like up front againunless I'm unless it picks up an
easy pass, which it it didn't.
Um, but yeah, it was literallyuh a toll.
I hit a camera that was a toll,and yeah, it was during the
right time, they're in the rightplace, and boom, 13 bucks just
(29:33):
came in the mail.
SPEAKER_16 (29:33):
Yeah, I don't agree
with that.
Um and that and that's kind of adifference between the way that
the flock cameras are usedversus revenue building.
Flock cameras aren't used towrite tickets.
They're not used to generaterevenue, they're used to catch
people wanted for criminalactivity.
They're used to find lostpeople, kidnap people, um, not
(29:56):
just kidnapped, but like youknow, lost elderly dementia
patients.
They'll put out silver alertsand then try to get their car
make and model and stuff likethat.
So it it's it's based on thingsthat are already criminal
investigations.
It's not just finding anybodyand everybody they want.
So like I said, uh it's supposedto be behind a thing.
(30:18):
But I want to get to Brandar'squestion here.
He said, why not have the Idon't know what A B automation,
A B automation, I'm not surewhat that means, in place that
puts officers on the Brady listwhen a founding of dishonesty or
lying or evidence tamper isverified.
That's fine, but the problemwith the Brady list is it's only
for that county.
(30:39):
You're thinking small.
I want a national Brady list.
I want it to go across thenation.
I want there to be a registry.
If you if you quit, if you getfired, whatever, in lieu of some
sort of criminal or you know,immoral, ethical issue
(30:59):
investigation.
SPEAKER_13 (31:00):
To add to that,
Eric, I I think there needs to
be a hearing on every Bradyentry to where that officer, the
accuser, comes in and thathearing is open to the public.
What is the reason this firstresponder is being added to the
Brady list and why?
And it actually goes through ahearing to where that's
availably uh to the public, towhere they should be able to go
(31:23):
and pull a file on on uh youknow, Eric, Eric, you you're on
the Brady list and you get towatch the the whole file on why
you were actually added to thatBrady list.
I think that should be to whereyou don't have to go search all
these documents.
And I mean if you're out thereserving the public, it needs to
be open to the public to why whyyou get put on whatever list.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
I think if you took
those two ideas and combined
them, because if you do thetrial side of things with the
Brady list, then you add there'sa there's an adjudication
process, then at the end of it,why do people what you know why
would you get out is notperjury, is that not a crime?
Tampering with evidence, is thatnot a crime?
So for that, if that becomes aproblem part of it, then they're
(32:04):
also charged with a crime.
And if them charging and beingfound guilty of their crime now
makes them ineligible to hold alaw enforcement certificate
because it's a felony orwhatever, the then that that may
be.
If that's what happens, thenthat's what happens.
But let that whole process playout and then create that list.
Let this is yeah, it's gotta yougotta get 50 states to buy into
(32:28):
that.
We gotta get one, you get let'sget a city or get a county or
get a municipality, you gottaget it small, smaller first to
prove the concept, and then onceit's proven, then it's easier to
just take it, just like it'swith real-time crime centers.
So as soon as you prove theconcept, yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (32:44):
Let me let me get to
Wade's point here while we're
still on the topic.
I'm afraid we're gonnatransition accidentally.
Uh, he said on the bright side,hundreds of cameras in a city
will help catch all the policemisconduct.
Thank you.
Thank you for seeing it how Isee it.
This is why I like having allthese tools and having these
logs and all of this stuff,because now it helps us weed out
(33:06):
the shady ass cops a lot easier.
Because the moment they startdigging in and you abusing these
tools, well, guess what?
Now we have a log file that theyhave zero access to, zero
ability to manipulate, delete,get rid of, they have no chance,
they cannot get to it because itis logged, and there's no way,
no way for them to access it.
(33:28):
So uh, and I am a person thataudits these things, so I check
these audits regularly, and thisis a way to keep your people
honest.
And when they don't, now you'vegot them.
It's it's more of a smoking gunthan we've ever been able to
have on cops, guys.
That's the way to look at it.
More of a smoking gun.
(33:48):
So, yes, Wade, you're uh youyou're a hundred percent right.
It is a better way to keep us incheck.
So that's why I like it.
And Craig, bless your heart,buddy.
Thanks for dropping two botdollars just to tell us he meant
and automation.
SPEAKER_04 (34:03):
That's that's and
two dollar tip for that.
SPEAKER_16 (34:06):
My my dumb brain
couldn't figure that out, so
thank you very much.
SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
Mrs.
Badge 502 has entered the chat.
All right, guys, be on your bestbehavior.
All right.
SPEAKER_16 (34:13):
Uh oh, watch out.
Uh, show me the audits.
What's he got here?
He said, Eric, but the problemwith these cameras is who's
controlling the data?
Is it the public?
Our data is stored internally,it's not with Flock or with
whatever inside LPR, whateverLPR company.
So the information is storedwithin the department for 30
(34:36):
days.
At least that's our policy.
So for 30 days it's there andthen it's wiped, but the log
audits are kept.
So that's not deleted.
SPEAKER_13 (34:45):
So is it is it 30 or
90, Eric?
30.
Is it 30?
Okay.
SPEAKER_16 (34:49):
I I don't know if
that is a this is my true
ignorance here.
I don't know if that's anationwide standard or if that
is just my own department'sstandard.
Ours is 30 days.
SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
I have a question,
but I'm not sure if it's
something that you may know, andif you do, if you're able to be
publicly share, how muchterabyte space is that?
Oh, unzitz it's it's basically arolling cash.
SPEAKER_16 (35:18):
It's like what's it
called?
Something flops, like teraflops.
It's like huge.
That's why I mean, honestly,that's one reason why you can't
keep all that data.
It's just too big.
Half the space of Eric's newcomputer.
SPEAKER_03 (35:33):
Well, that's the
point I was trying to the next
one is all of that cost money.
SPEAKER_04 (35:38):
Uh uh, is that that
Samsung uh Samsung monitor?
SPEAKER_16 (35:43):
That is a Samsung.
That's 57 inch, baby.
SPEAKER_04 (35:45):
Google 60 would have
been ostentatious, you know.
SPEAKER_16 (35:49):
Yeah, right.
57 inch.
Good enough.
Kiss yourself in the forehead.
Oh my god.
I love new toys.
Uh and I haven't even begun touse all of the features that it
can do.
I just don't know how to usethem.
So it is what it is.
Uh what'd Harrison say there?
He said it's only a smoking gunif the department does something
(36:09):
about it.
Well, just like badge 502 said,now we're talking about an
actual crime.
It's it's we're talking aboutpossible destruction of evidence
or hiding evidence or uh, youknow, whatever.
Whatever there's there's acharge there, just like not for
improperly using NCIC.
SPEAKER_04 (36:29):
Um that's it's all
tracked.
And it's it's not like you haveto put in like even just for
like say say infocop.
It's not like you're putting ina username and password, you're
putting in a username, password,it's something that has to be
updated every I think I have toredo it every say six weeks, you
know.
SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
Yeah, NCIC is a big
one.
Yeah, NCIC.
SPEAKER_16 (36:46):
I have watched cops
get fired for that.
I have seen that happen.
Yeah, I've seen it happen.
So it it's not like sometimesit's just happenstance, like um,
like for instance, uh one of ourguys looked up um they had the
same name as a famous person,like uh like a politician, and
(37:08):
they got flagged for looking upa politician, but that's not
what they were doing.
They were looking for thesuspect that had a politician's
name, and he had to go throughan investigation for that, like
it flags for that stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (37:18):
So do you remember a
couple years?
This has been a couple yearsago, a couple decades ago, there
was uh it was in Florida, apolice officer, female police
officer pulled over a Miami copand gave him the riot act, and
then the video was all overYouTube.
Bunch of guys got in trouble forsearching her stuff too.
SPEAKER_13 (37:37):
Over 20 different
people got in trouble for that
and criminal charge, and thankGod.
I mean, it's she was just doingher job, and then now I think
she she eventually quit.
I mean, you'd have to go look upthe story, but yeah, um, she's
got one hell of a lawsuit on herhands, and it may actually
already be over with.
But I remember reading aboutthat.
I that's freaking crazy, man.
SPEAKER_16 (37:57):
Brandar's making fun
of me.
He paid two two dollars just tomake me look dumb.
He said, flops is a measure ofspeed, not size.
I was just trying to emphasizethat it's really fucking big,
bro.
SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
Tell start start
telling them what a parsec is.
SPEAKER_16 (38:14):
Yeah.
My bad.
We have we, I think it's about221 gigawatts.
I think that's how big this is.
SPEAKER_04 (38:26):
And when it gets
there, you're gonna see some
serious shit.
SPEAKER_16 (38:28):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_13 (38:30):
Uh show me on it,
but but can the data be accessed
and copied and stored by thedepartment elsewhere?
And that's that is a yes.
If you if your departmentdecides to get what's something
like AWS GovCloud, um Fed Rampiand State, state rampi
certified, they can do that.
But the cost to keep that in thecloud ultimately goes to the
(38:53):
taxpayers.
The departments, the IAs, thebrass would love to keep all
this stuff forever, but what isit costing the taxpayer to keep
all that stuff?
Um, they they're gonna keep itfor their minimum of what their
what their book states.
And anything longer than that isgonna be uh on the taxpayers
because it's not cheap.
SPEAKER_16 (39:10):
Yeah, I think
Brandar's right.
That's I think that's a word Iheard before, pedabytes.
Not to be confused with filesbecause you got your bytes and
your files.
And if you got pedophiles, ah, Igot them.
There it is.
Come on.
I had to think about that.
I'll be here all night.
(39:31):
Oh man, cucumber.
Eric, if there's a way to look,if only there was a way to look
up that if I I'm running a showright now, mister.
I don't have a Jamie like on youknow, Joe Rogan.
I can't just do all this stuff.
I'm too busy doing this.
Jamie, pull this up.
I gotta do this.
Gotta gotta transition.
Look at that guy.
Look at that guy.
SPEAKER_04 (39:51):
Look at that guy.
That was 47 hours worth of workto see.
Look at that guy.
SPEAKER_16 (39:55):
That guy.
I gotta look way over here.
The funny thing is like I don'teven know where to set these
cameras up.
So I got one on my podcast tablelike way up.
It's almost touching theceiling.
This guy?
One of these days.
Nope.
SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
You're gonna you're
gonna do that, and someone else
is gonna be sitting there.
Like Banach is gonna be sittingthere.
SPEAKER_04 (40:17):
He's like, get it,
Jamie.
SPEAKER_16 (40:19):
I'll just I'll just
leave it on this one for a
while.
Why not?
I spent my money.
They still don't see that youdon't have pants on.
Well, I got shorts, so parsecs.
SPEAKER_04 (40:31):
Shorts.
3.26 light years.
SPEAKER_16 (40:34):
That's right.
SPEAKER_04 (40:35):
It's a measure of a
measure of distance, it's not a
measure of speed, which is whywhen he said that he did it in
some number of parsecs, he waswrong because it's not a proper
measurement.
SPEAKER_16 (40:44):
Hey, nerd, leave him
alone.
All right, we didn't have NeildeGrasse at the time to make
sure that the stars were properfor the given the time.
Uh Craig Holcomb.
So don't buy body armor, juststore data.
SPEAKER_04 (41:00):
Seems fair.
SPEAKER_16 (41:01):
Fuck it.
I mean, you're gonna need thedata more.
So I don't, I don't, I don'tblame you guys.
Yeah, why not?
Let me see.
What does this do?
Hey, look at that.
SPEAKER_04 (41:12):
There's that mush.
SPEAKER_16 (41:13):
Oh shit.
We don't have Alan tonight.
He keeps texting the phone, butI can't look at it because I'm
too busy doing this.
I don't want to be the guy thatsits there and reads.
SPEAKER_04 (41:21):
Sergeant Levine and
his haircut came.
SPEAKER_16 (41:24):
What?
I can read, I can read it foryou.
I'm good.
Alan, Alan's dead to me rightnow.
SPEAKER_05 (41:32):
No.
SPEAKER_16 (41:36):
I'm gonna get a feet
one.
You guys are just gonna stare atmy feet.
I can't get a leg one.
Yeah, we'll give we'll just havea dead leg on the hey.
Speaking of, I want a dead leg,give people an update on your uh
your your victories.
SPEAKER_03 (41:53):
I just so just this
morning I got a phone call from
the doctor or the doctor'soffice of schedule, my big
surgery.
So I currently have a stimulatorimplanted in my left buck cheek.
It's kind of like a pacemaker,about that size.
SPEAKER_16 (42:11):
How about hold on,
pause?
Let's not say we have astimulator.
SPEAKER_03 (42:16):
Listen, I heard what
you heard, man.
I heard what you heard.
Yeah, although it's I don't wantto get us kicked off of YouTube,
but it's there, it's for sure.
SPEAKER_04 (42:24):
Is it like a like a
Thames machine type deal?
SPEAKER_03 (42:27):
Kind of.
SPEAKER_04 (42:28):
My buddy's put into
his neck.
SPEAKER_03 (42:30):
Yeah, kind of.
Mine works off of highfrequency, so it masks the
sympathetic pain before it goesto my brain.
SPEAKER_05 (42:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (42:39):
So right now, the
one that I have is bilateral for
my legs, but I don't haveanything for my arms, so I feel
every bit of the pain because Igot I have complex regional pain
syndrome, is the condition thatI have.
So it started in my right legbelow the leg, below the knee,
where I crushed my leg with mybad leg break and all that, and
then it slowly spread the wholebody.
But two weeks from Friday, anduh, we just realized a couple
(43:02):
days before uh IECP, I'm havingthis surgery.
So, what they're gonna do iswe're gonna pull everything I
have out, and it's just becausewe want to stay MRI compatible.
Okay, because if I have a Nevroleads with a Boston Scientific
stimulator, because BostonScientific has four um leads
(43:23):
that they can run, and my Nevroone only has two.
So with running the Nevro one, Iit would either cut everything
in half, like the theeffectiveness in half, or I'd
have to have two stimulators.
So then that's two things thatgo wrong implanted in your body.
So we did the trial in inAugust, and I did a Nevro trial
(43:44):
and I did a Boston Scientifictrial.
And the Boston Scientific, I wasable to get relief off of Boston
Scientific.
And then I learned that BostonScientific their pads are
different and they're a lot moreindividual, so they can get
specific areas.
So they literally had meBluetooth connected to the
computer, and he was pushing onthe computer, and I could feel
(44:05):
this like inch and a half areabuzzing up my arm.
So we were getting it exactlywhere like the dialing it in.
Oh, it was awesome.
So the we're gonna be able to dothat with the Boston one too.
So we're gonna go in, we'regonna take all that out, and
then they're gonna put two leadsin my upper thoracic between my
shoulders, and then we're gonnazip tie those down my spine, and
then we're gonna put new ones inin the mid-back for my lower
(44:27):
legs, zip tie those down myspine, then we'll put the new
Boston one in the left loop inthe little pouch that they have
made inside my body.
They're just gonna reuse that,and then it's gonna go in there.
SPEAKER_04 (44:39):
And then how long of
a surgery is this?
SPEAKER_03 (44:43):
Uh, I go in at 5 30
in the morning, and they said I
should be out to get likestarting with the Boston people
somewhere on noon.
SPEAKER_04 (44:51):
Golly, so fast.
Crazy.
SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
It's crazy that they
did so.
Yeah, it's well, because here'swhat's crazier.
When we put the uh the trial in,I was conscious there the entire
time.
So when we were putting theleads in, I was awake while we
were almost at getting that notat getting an epidural, but I
could we were just gettingexactly where we wanted to put
the leads at in specific.
SPEAKER_04 (45:14):
So I think exactly
what my buddy's having uh done
tomorrow.
He has some uh he had uh he hasreal severe pain in his neck,
back, and shoulders.
And he's has uh he said thisone's gonna be a temporary one
that it's gonna be for about aweek, and uh they're gonna do
some work with it, and uh theneventually he'll have the the
full one done.
SPEAKER_03 (45:35):
Yeah, he'll know
fairly instantly, like like
he'll know pretty quick whetherit's gonna be effective or not.
And then mine, the way mineworks is it's set up, I don't
feel anything, so it's a highfrequency just I just working in
the background all the time.
SPEAKER_04 (45:52):
Just is that's
awesome.
SPEAKER_03 (45:53):
But then I I have
the ability, both of them, boob,
but the one I have now and thenew one, I have the ability to
set it to where if I want to.
So subconsciously, sometimeswhen you're in a lot of pain,
just to know that it's there,you want to feel it, I can set
it, turn it on, and it feelslike uh it's an electric, it's
electric, but it feels like thebest way I can feel it is like
(46:14):
if you sit on your arm and it'sstarting to wake up and you feel
like that spider-y feeling, itkind of feels exactly what Nate
says.
Yep, it's just like that, butreally dull.
And so it was it's it's awesome.
I when I got the trial in for myupper body, I slept for three
days just because all of mytension, because when you're in
(46:34):
pain, you carry tension withyou, and I've been carrying this
tension all this time, so itstarted working, and my body
could relax.
I was like, I can get somesleep.
So the first couple days, I waslike, I don't know how much pain
it's relieving, but it'srelieving tension, so it's it's
it's for sure gonna get quite abit quality of life back, and
then hopefully do more with DTPbecause that's yeah, I oh god,
(46:58):
that stuff looks fun.
I want to be there like bad fivetoo.
Like we were he was saying, uhyou just have to be on set.
SPEAKER_04 (47:05):
Yeah, set me, put
put me in element, put me in my
four walls.
SPEAKER_16 (47:10):
We've already talked
about both of you, so that's the
idea for the tech and orderstuff is it doesn't like it
doesn't have to be we can rotatepeople through, we can it
doesn't have to be, I don't haveto be on there, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_04 (47:24):
So um that you're
not there eating your uh pink
donut, so yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_16 (47:29):
Um, I want to get to
Brandar's question here.
I think this is a really goodquestion because I've actually
had this discussion before.
I think Bany and I have actuallyhad this discussion before.
Um, but he said, with the amountof video and audio surveillance
available, why are police verbaltestimonies still so relevant?
Because nothing that you see ona video and nothing that you
hear from somebody else's audiois going to encapsulate how a
(47:55):
person feels and sees what theysee in the moment.
Because body worn camera doesnot give a true view of what an
officer sees any more than whatyour dash camera for personal
vehicles, because a lot ofpeople with dash cameras have,
can express what you see, felt,and heard in a moment.
So those are all relevantfactors, and when it comes down
(48:19):
to a split-second decision thatwe have the luxury of watching a
video over and over and over andseeing different things,
different angles, and all that.
What you recount in the momentis completely different a lot of
times, and that is not somebodytrying to hide something or or
lie necessarily, it's just thephysical uh results of body
(48:43):
chemistry and all of that stuff.
So that's relevant.
It's all relevant.
It's not it doesn't it doesn'tmake one or the other
irrelevant.
I just think it helps add to allof the factors.
Um you got anything to add tothat?
SPEAKER_13 (48:55):
No, not at all.
I mean, it's just it's soimportant that that you get the
full people are always sayingwith all this new technology,
the Australian need there's noneed for a narrative anymore,
and that that's not true.
Um I used to you know think whenthese body cameras came out and
the dash cams finally came inline and they were on the same
systems, you know, sergeants andlieutenants were like, hey, all
we should have to do is takethis, package it, send it to the
(49:18):
DA and play it in the courtroom,and that's not the case.
I mean, you've got to have thatarticulation with the officer.
There's a lot of things that arenot you know possibly seen or
heard uh that the officer cangive better account of, and then
further investigation can revealthat that is a true and accurate
statement from the officer'sside.
SPEAKER_16 (49:37):
Um I'm gonna read
Brandon's Brandon's on fire
tonight.
He's got some good questions.
SPEAKER_03 (49:42):
Um, you got
something before I forget the
thought, uh camera has theluxury of pause.
When you're you're you aregiving your testimony, so you
can pause in your testimony, butyour testimony is a lot of that
is explaining some of this ishow fast things were, how fast
you had to react to something.
Because a lot of times,especially in these shootings,
(50:05):
you know, we're gonna you thatthey get really close, and then
you're like, uh, why why?
Well, in the heat of the moment,I didn't know how fast he was
gonna be able to continue tobring this gun up.
So as it's played out, and thenlike as uh you know Banning was
saying, the the video, all it'sgonna do is it's gonna hopefully
back up the testimony of thetruthful officer or the truthful
(50:28):
witness or destroy whatever youknow, if someone's lying, that's
what that video is there is tohelp give another another point
because all the video is isliterally another point of view.
It's it's not to add it, doesn'tadd to or take away anything
from because it's literally justthat point of view.
So if you're getting it from thedash camera, you're getting it
from just that point of view.
(50:49):
However, if you rotated, youknow, maybe 30 degrees to left
and 50 more feet, you get acompletely different version and
you would have been able to seebecause from this one position,
you're not gonna be able to seethe weapon that they had, but
yes, other position you would.
So that's I think I don't knowthat personal testimony will
ever, ever leave.
SPEAKER_16 (51:08):
Yeah, not not until
um Elon Musk's Neuralink comes
in, and then you can't hide whatyou see and thought anymore.
It's just gonna it's gonna haveit logged.
SPEAKER_04 (51:20):
On the plus side, if
with that with that train of
logic, as long as you have bodycam footage, you don't need to
write the report anymore.
So, you know, that's save yousome time.
SPEAKER_16 (51:27):
Well, then that's a
pri that's the problem.
You can't you can't do that.
It's gotta be, I thinkpersonally, it's you're you're
always going to have more thanwhat that body cam captures.
SPEAKER_04 (51:37):
Oh man, it's it's on
camera.
That's it.
No report needed for fire.
It's fine.
No report needed.
Save us, save three hours.
SPEAKER_16 (51:43):
I think Brandar
spent at least 50 bucks on us
tonight.
So Brandard, I just want to saythank you, buddy.
I know I I know that you followus and you've you're always a
part of what we do, both on ourDiscord and on here, and I I
really appreciate it, especiallytonight because we've been off
for two weeks, so I was kind ofnervous everybody was gonna be
like, fuck them guys, they leftus.
(52:04):
I appreciate it.
But he said, I asked thatbecause I watched someone tell a
cop on body worn camera thatsomeone tried to get into a
conference.
The cop repeated it as tried toforce their way into a
conference.
Did you mean to writeconference?
SPEAKER_04 (52:27):
I hate conferences.
SPEAKER_16 (52:28):
Yeah, I mean, did
yeah, did they force their way
into like a closed conference?
Is that what we're getting intoor tried to get into a
confrontation?
I'm not sure.
Can you clarify your question,sir?
I promise I will reread that.
Uh country girl.
Get the fuck out of here, Eric.
LL.
SPEAKER_04 (52:47):
The sauciness.
SPEAKER_16 (52:49):
Yeah.
Eric soon we'll have drone camsthat police deploy.
They fly right next to the 1Aauditor.
Well, guess what?
They already have them, brother.
That's not pretty soon.
We already have them.
SPEAKER_04 (53:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (53:03):
Oh shit.
Um, yet you still havediscrepancies between body worn
cameras and the report,sometimes huge ones.
You can tell absolutely whensomeone is trying to cover their
asses.
Okay, hear me out.
And I think we've talked aboutthis before, Banning, but I want
people to write reports beforethey watch their body cameras.
SPEAKER_04 (53:23):
That was a rule in
New Jersey for a little bit and
then it stopped.
SPEAKER_16 (53:26):
Because I want your
account of what happened.
I don't want any false memoriesor anything like that put in
your report.
So that's why you havediscrepancies.
What a brain remembers in themoment and all that stuff versus
what a camera records is twototally different things, guys.
So I don't want them watchingthe camera and adjusting their
reports and doing that.
(53:46):
I want them to give a report forwhat they remember, and then we
then they can review the bodycamera afterwards.
That is how I think it should bedone.
So just my two cents.
And guess what else is logged?
Anytime an officer reviews theirbody cam footage, that's logged.
So when they write the reportand they show their logged time,
(54:07):
you can tell if that officerreviewed their body cam before
they wrote the report.
SPEAKER_13 (54:11):
So you can also
review if if they're first line
supervisor, internal affairs,the chief, the deputy chief.
It's you can't just log in thereand watch that.
SPEAKER_16 (54:21):
It is a it is a well
that's a that's a police
department policy thing.
Some some let them, some don't.
SPEAKER_13 (54:28):
Right.
Well, I'm just saying inreference to to having record
that somebody watched it.
SPEAKER_16 (54:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They yeah, you can see an audittrail anytime somebody watches
it, how long they watched it,which part they watched, all of
that.
Um outdoors said, uh, we forgiveyou for missing a week, kinda.
Thanks, buddy.
No worries.
Um, but yeah, it it's I I againI still like personal account
(54:55):
and then body cam account.
I do think that that makes adifference.
And just because you seediscrepancies doesn't
necessarily mean something's afoot.
Um oh, there's a big ass.
I'm getting attacked by agigantic moth.
I just didn't want him to landin my drink.
SPEAKER_04 (55:11):
I do not want to
rely on brains.
SPEAKER_16 (55:13):
All right.
Oh shit.
Okay, we are we're damn we'reabout an hour in.
We haven't gotten to a body camyet.
So let's uh let's let's get intoa body cam.
Let's go.
Here we go.
Okay, so for those that don'tknow, so when we do these body
cam live reviews, basically it'svideos that none of us have
(55:35):
seen.
If one of us has happened to seeit, we'll own up to it and we
won't partake.
But we watch the body cam asthough we're the officer in the
call, and then we give youupdates on how we would handle
the call versus watching thewhole thing, then Monday morning
quarterbacking and doing allthat.
We kind of give you an insighton how we would handle a call as
it's developing, and I justthink it's kind of a different
(55:58):
perspective, and I think it'sfun, and I think it's a great
time for people to uh be able toask questions and and and
partake in what we're doing anddiscussing.
So, with that said, everythingtonight is from police activity
on YouTube.
So big shout out to them.
Make sure you guys follow, like,subscribe to their stuff.
(56:19):
Uh, this is what their pagelooks like.
So, shout out to them.
They are still sitting at about6.7 mil.
I don't think they've dipped orgrown since we've started.
They've probably grown, but theyjust haven't dipped.
I can tell you that much.
All right, let's go to thisvideo here.
This one's about three minutes26 seconds long.
(56:42):
Share this tab.
All right, we're gonna big it.
This looks like it's out ofTampa.
I saw the badge right there.
All right, police activity andgo.
Oh, we got the headlights on.
(57:03):
Oh, we are driving the wrong wayon the freeway.
SPEAKER_04 (57:06):
That's a fucking
bright lights coming at me.
SPEAKER_03 (57:10):
Yeah.
They passed another car that hadno lights on.
SPEAKER_04 (57:14):
Yeah.
Fucking getting sketchy.
SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (57:18):
All Florida people
banning.
What do you what do you gotabout going the wrong way on the
freeway?
SPEAKER_13 (57:22):
Here, here's the
deal, because I've been in these
in these pursuits, not on thewrong way, but more than likely,
without I don't I've never seenthis, just FYI.
Um, they've probably beenpursuing him for a while.
Then this whoever's driving wentthe wrong way, and then the
off-stress articulate in his andhis friggin' brain housing group
real quick.
Is it quicker for me to take himout instead of him letting speed
(57:45):
prior to hitting somebody elsegoing at highway speed?
Right now it's it's it's lifeand limb.
You've got to make that you maybe violating policy right here
to stop that action, but I amall for that if this person is
not yielding and if they'regonna take somebody's life out.
If he can end it right there andthen get a good good guard
around the vehicle to where itdoesn't cause another accident,
(58:08):
I'm all for it.
SPEAKER_16 (58:10):
Yeah, yeah.
This is one of those that itmight be against policy, but you
gotta to save lives, you youmight have to just eat this one.
Um Damn.
Yeah, that's that's rough.
That's rough.
You're you're gonna take you'regonna take some licks from your
own department on this.
Oh, 100%.
Um, but damn.
(58:32):
You you get yeah.
Well, let's keep going.
All right, get going the rightway.
SPEAKER_04 (58:39):
Yeah, never stay in
the right way, son.
SPEAKER_12 (58:50):
Come up the other
side! Hey! Come up, come up the
other side.
SPEAKER_16 (58:54):
Okay, so I'm gonna
guess that that door is
impinged.
They can't get it open anyway,just looking at the damage.
SPEAKER_13 (59:00):
Is that duct tape?
Is it duct tape?
I think they call that fasttape.
SPEAKER_16 (59:06):
Hopes and dreams?
But from here, with all of thoselights and everything, you're
gonna be able to see in therepretty good.
Uh, I'm gonna guess it's adrunk, it's usually the case
anytime we have these.
So from here, it's if you can'tget them to come out, it's
you're you're going in afterthem, breaking glass, getting
them out.
It's kind of a big deal.
SPEAKER_03 (59:28):
One of the things
before we go on, because I deal
with the lighting side ofthings, if your patrol car
doesn't do this when you get inthe park and your lights don't
automatically go all the way tothe white, that's something that
could be programmed.
So get with your fleet peoplewho or whoever upkeeps and
maintains your vehicles.
It doesn't matter what kind ofsystem you have, every system
(59:49):
out there has the ability to doa variation of what FHP's cars
do.
Because as soon as they puttheir car in the park, every
white light on the car goes towhite.
Yeah.
So it just
SPEAKER_16 (01:00:00):
One of his local
ambulance services that he works
for just lost a crew during awrong way drunk driver.
That's why it's imperative.
Like you can't.
I'm with this officer, all theseofficers on this.
You can't let them go because itis virtually a guarantee that
they're going to hurt somebody.
You don't have reaction time ona freeway going the wrong way.
(01:00:22):
You just don't.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:23):
You're going twice
as fast.
SPEAKER_16 (01:00:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:24):
You're going 60,
they're going 60.
unknown (01:00:26):
Yep.
SPEAKER_16 (01:00:26):
At 230 in the
morning.
It's a calculated risk that yougotta.
I think you just gotta eat thatone, guys.
Um keto50 said, I can tell youfinding yourself going the wrong
way on the highway is one of themost one of those moments that
makes everything tighten up realquick.
I bet.
SPEAKER_13 (01:00:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_16 (01:00:43):
Yeah.
I I've I had one jump on thewhat do they call it?
The frontage road going thewrong way.
And I was like, in my mind, Iwas like, oh my god, I can
parallel here.
Please, for the love of God,don't jump on the freeway.
Because I would have went.
I would have went, but at leastI I think I would have.
It's easy to say.
(01:01:04):
We'll see if I get in themoment.
All right, let's keep going.
Go out the other side.
I kept coming.
SPEAKER_10 (01:01:10):
No, the circle, the
circle.
SPEAKER_12 (01:01:16):
What happened?
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:24):
Do you realize that
you're going the wrong way on
the interstate?
SPEAKER_10 (01:01:27):
On this interstate?
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:28):
Yeah, do you see all
these credits coming towards us?
SPEAKER_16 (01:01:31):
That that's a clue
that she might be intoxicated.
SPEAKER_04 (01:01:37):
This inner state?
Impossible, officer.
I would never do something likethat.
SPEAKER_10 (01:01:44):
I do.
I do.
So you're going to be.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
You're going the
long way on the interstate.
Yes, you were.
That's why I went to the car.
You, yes.
You were going the long way.
SPEAKER_08 (01:01:56):
My husband's walking
me or driving me home.
SPEAKER_18 (01:02:00):
You were driving
home.
SPEAKER_08 (01:02:01):
No, he was driving
us going home.
SPEAKER_16 (01:02:03):
You were she just
threw her husband under the bus.
No, no, he was driving.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:11):
And this this is
this isn't like 40 minutes
later.
This is like 38 seconds later.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_16 (01:02:16):
We switched we
switched seats.
You didn't see it.
It was too fast.
So swear to drunk, it wasn'tGod.
You were just driving.
SPEAKER_10 (01:02:24):
No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_16 (01:02:25):
I will I will say
that these guys do not have
proper site security for theircars right now.
They have left an entire twolanes wide the fuck open.
They did not close it off yet.
I I do I just lost uh a friendand a sergeant to this shit.
Um in in one of the mostcontrolled circumstances.
(01:02:48):
He actually was hiding himselfon the on the off ramp, and a
car came down the wrong way onthe yeah.
Yeah.
You tell like I would neverwatch my back there because you
there's no need to.
What are the odds, you know?
And and he was just about toretire.
SPEAKER_15 (01:03:05):
Oh, so yep.
SPEAKER_16 (01:03:08):
But he was one of
those sergeants.
He was always out there with hisguys.
His guys were on the freeway, hewas gonna be out there with him.
So is what it is.
SPEAKER_10 (01:03:16):
I was like in the it
was a I was in the passenger
seat, but I was in the car.
SPEAKER_18 (01:03:19):
Is there anyone else
in that car?
Yeah, there's no one else in thecar.
SPEAKER_10 (01:03:23):
Okay, maybe not that
specific clear, but there was
like me and my husband were inone car.
SPEAKER_09 (01:03:29):
We are in the in the
clearing car, we are clear that
he's removing some we are likesaving one bar for me to come to
him to the spooky work.
SPEAKER_16 (01:03:45):
Speakeasy.
SPEAKER_09 (01:03:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_16 (01:03:46):
Okay.
That's a Halloween speakeasy.
SPEAKER_10 (01:03:52):
What do you want to
do with me tonight, beyond?
I've had two, two bars that I'vebeen to tonight that have had a
full drink at.
SPEAKER_16 (01:04:01):
Two bars that had
drinks she had full ones at.
Uh cucumber said she was goingthe right way.
Everyone else was going thewrong way.
It wasn't me, it was them.
That's great.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04:16):
Really good of her
husband to disappear like that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04:19):
I like the creeper.
He was kind of listed in therefor a second, and then he just
walks away shaking his head.
This big tall guy in the back.
SPEAKER_16 (01:04:28):
What did Brando say?
Police say we can't reactproperly fast when driving.
No, not just police, anybody.
Nobody can react very good whendriving the wrong way with fast
cars coming towards them, butcan react so fast to stab or
shoot a cop.
I don't understand what you'resaying.
Police say we can't reactproperly fast when driving, but
(01:04:51):
can react so fast to stab orshoot a cop.
Police aren't shooting orstabbing people, typically other
cops.
That's the way I read that.
Police say we can't reactproperly fast when driving.
But can react so fast.
SPEAKER_13 (01:05:11):
I I think he's
referring to when we stop
somebody for reckless driving,we're saying that they can't uh
take control of a situation ifsomebody were to pull a pull in
front of them why they'redriving so fast.
And but then uh a person comesout and accurately fires at a
law enforcement officer.
I think that's where he's kindof he's he's he's mingling those
lines, and correct me if I'mwrong, but I think that's where
it's at.
SPEAKER_16 (01:05:31):
Okay.
I'll take your word for it.
Uh Ward.
She drives just as bad whenshe's sober.
All right.
Well, I think I wonder if theysay what her BAC or anything is.
No, looks like they just arresther.
I think we've seen enough ofthat one.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05:48):
Arrest her for what?
SPEAKER_16 (01:05:50):
I know, it was her
husband.
You can't park there.
SPEAKER_13 (01:05:53):
Oh, very well.
SPEAKER_15 (01:05:57):
Let's uh I have
watched this one.
SPEAKER_16 (01:05:59):
You have seen this
one?
SPEAKER_15 (01:06:01):
I watched this one
once today, and then I sit it on
this one.
SPEAKER_16 (01:06:05):
I'll move it to the
end.
We'll save it for later becauseit's seven minutes too.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:10):
So uh let's uh the
it's not the the majority of it
is over probably like four.
SPEAKER_16 (01:06:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:19):
I don't want to give
anything away.
I mean you can read the caption,but then there's some badassery
that happens afterwards.
SPEAKER_16 (01:06:28):
Let's uh let's let's
go we'll go with that one last.
unknown (01:06:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_16 (01:06:32):
Since you've already
seen all right, I like this
already.
We're going with a passengerside approach.
I like a passenger side approachfrom here.
It just depends on where I'm setup.
There's no room on the left sidethere.
You're right out in traffic, soI really do.
(01:06:54):
And it looks like is that a bikelane, maybe over there?
That doesn't look like a fullroad.
SPEAKER_04 (01:06:59):
All right, little
little two-way bike path.
SPEAKER_16 (01:07:01):
Little path, yeah.
So I like a passenger sideapproach on this.
SPEAKER_04 (01:07:04):
I like that it's a
nice acorn free area, so we
don't have to.
SPEAKER_16 (01:07:08):
Yeah, no acorns.
You don't gotta worry about themdropping in at it.
Speaking of, where's Magdumptonight?
I is he at is he on?
I haven't seen him.
Okay, passenger side approach.
I like to break it a littlewider, but that's why I like to
(01:07:36):
break it a little bit wider, buthe was okay.
It didn't look like he got hit.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:40):
I reacted and it's
just a video.
Seriously.
SPEAKER_16 (01:07:44):
Yeah, I didn't see
that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:46):
What was that?
SPEAKER_16 (01:07:47):
I honestly I thought
somebody was gonna do like out
the window, like like we'regonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_04 (01:07:52):
Reading the caption,
I thought the guy was reading
the caption.
I thought the guy in the frontcar was just gonna slam
backwards or something.
SPEAKER_20 (01:07:58):
Damn.
SPEAKER_13 (01:07:58):
Wait the way it
typically happens, yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:08:04):
Okay.
So for airbag deployed.
I again I'm going to assume adrunk um or inattentive driver.
Now we're gonna have to callmore units out, so I'm gonna
jump on the radio and be like,hey, somebody just hit my
cruiser while I was on a trafficstop, you know, send more units.
I'm okay.
(01:08:24):
And now you gotta check on thethe safety and welfare of the
passengers in the car you justpulled over because you're
responsible for them.
So anybody got anything to addto that?
SPEAKER_04 (01:08:35):
No, I'm not your
airbags are deployed, so yeah,
they're pretty good.
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:41):
I would quickly try
to get I would just say trick
quickly because I'm gonna assumelook as minimal impact to the
car you got pulled over, but Iwant to check that one first
real fast because then I can getquickly just have all my
attention to the other vehiclebecause I'm gonna assume the
other vehicle is gonna haveconsiderable amount of damage
for as far forward and thedamage that has been pushed to
(01:09:03):
the front of the vehicle, thepatrol vehicle.
SPEAKER_16 (01:09:05):
Yeah, I'm with Craig
on this one.
That's what I would assume.
Guy on the cell phone.
Um, somebody wants to see thethe hit one more time.
I'll go back.
Bicyclist, not in a bicyclelane.
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_20 (01:09:23):
Yes, Jesus.
SPEAKER_12 (01:09:25):
Fuck yeah, Jesus.
SPEAKER_20 (01:09:28):
My vehicle's just
been hit.
Starting the ambulance.
SPEAKER_06 (01:09:32):
Hey, what happened?
SPEAKER_20 (01:09:35):
You tell me I need a
new car.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09:42):
That's what you do.
SPEAKER_16 (01:09:44):
That's how you get a
new car, guys.
Where's my truck?
I'm gonna say drunk now.
That's that's kind of what I'mleaning towards.
That's a very weird response.
SPEAKER_13 (01:09:55):
You got out really
fast.
Do do we do we have a shot ofthat rear light bar at all when
he's crossing around the buck?
SPEAKER_16 (01:10:01):
It was on.
SPEAKER_13 (01:10:02):
I figured it was.
I just didn't know if it was ifit was visible at all when he
when he walked around.
SPEAKER_03 (01:10:07):
Uh let me yeah,
there is this one of those
because it's one of those thingsthat I see those lights.
SPEAKER_13 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I guess.
SPEAKER_03 (01:10:23):
So it's usually on
the explorers, they have all of
the stuff on the driver's sidebecause that's where that cubby
is.
Yeah, a lot of lights, there's alot of room to mount stuff over
there, but all right.
SPEAKER_16 (01:10:33):
Let me keep going
here.
SPEAKER_19 (01:10:35):
Somebody ran into
me, pushed my vehicle into the
other vehicle, starting aimlets,need a supervisor.
SPEAKER_18 (01:10:40):
All true statements.
Here, come over here, buddy.
SPEAKER_19 (01:10:45):
Here, have a seat
real quick.
Have a seat.
Looks like it.
You alright?
Yeah, I'm alright.
What happened, dude?
Oh no, get out or did he getejected?
I've been drinking.
You've been drinking?
SPEAKER_15 (01:11:02):
So honest.
This never happens.
SPEAKER_06 (01:11:06):
No, wild.
SPEAKER_16 (01:11:08):
I love the honesty,
okay?
I mean, is what it is.
All right.
So now that he told me he's beendrinking, um, this is one of
those things where you you yougotta kind of mitigate a bunch
of different things all at once.
SPEAKER_13 (01:11:27):
I'm just gonna have
your poor backups gonna have to
come and work those too.
SPEAKER_16 (01:11:31):
Yes, because you are
gonna have to deal with the car
that this guy hit.
SPEAKER_13 (01:11:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:11:38):
And honestly, that
could be almost nothing because
you're as the sheet as the guythat's working this call right
now.
SPEAKER_13 (01:11:44):
You're gonna do a uh
PC determiner on why you why you
called somebody.
Yeah.
And then you're gonna do yourcitation if you want to on the
poor person that was that wasstopped there.
SPEAKER_16 (01:11:54):
Um but as the as the
officer, you don't your
paperwork is very minimal now.
You don't have to do shit.
SPEAKER_04 (01:12:03):
Look what time it
is, too.
This is like right in thebeginning of dude's day.
SPEAKER_15 (01:12:08):
Oh geez, oh Pete's.
Oh, this just this just happenedlast Wednesday.
SPEAKER_16 (01:12:14):
Yeah, hey, guys,
it's five o'clock somewhere.
Uh Mike Cucumber.
This was the policeman's fault.
SPEAKER_04 (01:12:23):
Motorcyclist's
fault.
SPEAKER_16 (01:12:24):
Right.
And now that I'm looking, itlooked like he pulled that car
over in a little shoulder, so hewasn't even on the beaten path,
you know.
SPEAKER_13 (01:12:34):
He was on the old
bicycle lane.
SPEAKER_16 (01:12:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that is crazy.
Okay, all right.
I love the honesty.
Let's keep going.
SPEAKER_19 (01:12:43):
Yeah, I've been a
drink.
Okay, and I took some weedpills, some weed pills, yeah.
Okay, anybody else?
SPEAKER_16 (01:12:50):
He hit the rear end
of truth and justice, is what
happened.
SPEAKER_13 (01:12:54):
Yeah, these gummies,
these gummies are getting to me.
SPEAKER_16 (01:12:58):
I think I think
Wonder Woman just lassoed him
and forced him to tell the truthlike right away.
SPEAKER_04 (01:13:04):
Mike goes, let him
go.
He was honest.
SPEAKER_16 (01:13:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Oh shit.
Okay, let's keep going.
SPEAKER_19 (01:13:12):
The car?
No, it's just me.
SPEAKER_16 (01:13:14):
I like Fletcher's
comment here, but wait, there's
more.
Oh shit.
Hey, I need a new car.
And I've been drinking.
SPEAKER_04 (01:13:27):
I'm right on top of
that, Rose.
SPEAKER_16 (01:13:28):
And and I took some
weed pills.
What else we got?
I got warrants, too.
Car stolen.
SPEAKER_20 (01:13:36):
187.
Uh, starter trooper.
Here, just sit down, man.
Just sit down.
All right.
I'll start a trooper.
Driver tells me he's beendrinking and took some weed
pills.
No, no, no.
Sit down, sit down.
Okay.
I don't want you to get hit.
Okay.
SPEAKER_18 (01:13:49):
There you go.
Just lay down, bud.
Hey, you guys all right up inthere?
All right.
Just hang tight, okay?
SPEAKER_13 (01:13:55):
Anybody in the car
with me?
Yeah, is anybody else in thecar?
SPEAKER_16 (01:13:58):
That thing's just
smoked pretty good.
Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_04 (01:14:01):
Yeah, he said there
wasn't any.
Well, he said, but now there'snow there's not.
He's been drinking and he's outof hand.
SPEAKER_15 (01:14:08):
He's honest this
entire time.
I'm gonna go ahead and believehim.
There's nobody else in the car.
He has been pretty honest.
I guess I would believe him too.
SPEAKER_04 (01:14:16):
They got they got
ejected 45 feet.
There's nobody in the car.
SPEAKER_16 (01:14:19):
Right.
Which yeah, that's my license issuspended too.
Oh shit.
Craig's asking, is the carstolen?
He's not acting like it'sstolen.
That's one thing I'll say.
He's not acting like it'sstolen.
Either.
My license is suspended too.
(01:14:40):
Oh shit.
And the car isn't mine.
SPEAKER_03 (01:14:45):
And I don't put
shopping carts back.
SPEAKER_19 (01:14:48):
Sit down, man.
You just in a bad accident.
I want you, I don't want you toget hurt.
Okay?
You wander around out in thattraffic, somebody's gonna hit
you.
SPEAKER_16 (01:14:55):
Unless your neck
might be jacked up, bro.
SPEAKER_03 (01:14:59):
That's some good
view though to keep them under
control until somebody else getsthere.
SPEAKER_15 (01:15:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15:04):
I got insurance.
It ain't gonna cover thatthough.
I mean, it will.
SPEAKER_16 (01:15:11):
This is the best
type of accident ever.
This guy's he seems like he'sokay and he's completely honest.
I'm loving everything about thiskid.
SPEAKER_03 (01:15:21):
Go ahead, finish it
for me.
SPEAKER_16 (01:15:22):
I'm not gonna lie,
I'd probably be giggling during
this call.
I would be like, oh, okay, bud.
Thanks.
Appreciate it.
Wade, is it is it too late forthe cop to go touch the tail
lights?
I'll be right back.
I gotta do this one thing realquick.
It's what we all do.
SPEAKER_13 (01:15:41):
You just touch the
tail bulbs.
Oh shit.
SPEAKER_19 (01:15:44):
Well, I don't know,
but that's not what we're
concerned about right now.
We're concerned abouteverybody's uh okay, all right?
All right.
All right, looks like we gotsome.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15:53):
I did that on
purpose, sorry.
SPEAKER_19 (01:15:55):
Well, you hit me on
purpose?
SPEAKER_00 (01:15:56):
Yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_19 (01:15:57):
Why is that?
SPEAKER_00 (01:16:00):
I'm bored.
SPEAKER_16 (01:16:07):
Tell me you got ADHD
without telling me you got ADHD.
This motherfucker impulsive asfuck was just like send it.
I guarantee that was animpulsive thought.
SPEAKER_19 (01:16:19):
Yeah, perfect.
Yeah, what is that?
I hate cops, man.
Yeah.
All right.
We got an ambulance coming,okay?
All right.
All right.
SPEAKER_16 (01:16:29):
That's salt to the
wound right there.
I hate cops.
Well, guess what, buddy?
We're still gonna get anambulance for you.
That's funny.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_15 (01:16:37):
You're making a
weapons idea.
Country girl's right.
SPEAKER_16 (01:16:41):
You can't be mad at
this guy.
Even if him telling me he hit meon purpose, I still can't be mad
at him.
SPEAKER_19 (01:16:47):
So I'm going to
everyone.
They're gonna come and check youout, okay, partner?
unknown (01:16:51):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (01:16:51):
So here's a question
for the group when you review
this body camera footage back,because you're definitely gonna
show everybody.
Does everybody have to log inand watch it individually, or do
you have like a sign a sheetthat gets accepted at the end of
it?
SPEAKER_04 (01:17:05):
No, you put it on
your computer monitor, type in
your password, let everybodyaround you watch it.
SPEAKER_16 (01:17:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's
one of those things, it just
depends on the department.
I personally think it's great ifany cop can look at any body cam
because there's always stuffthat can be learned.
There's there's things that theycan see at the crime scenes and
whatnot that they may not haveknown to help them learn the
cases better.
It's all logs, so it doesn'tmatter to me.
There's an audit sheet that youcan look and be like, all right,
(01:17:31):
this person reviewed it, thisperson reviewed it.
Like anytime you review thatstuff, you're only hurting
yourself as possibly gettingcalled to court for that.
So I I don't have a problem withit because they can't do
anything to it, all they can dois watch it.
So if you can learn somethingfrom somebody else's body cam, I
say let anybody have access.
(01:17:52):
It's just I don't see the bigdeal in it.
You guys got anything on that?
Yeah, you can't edit it, youcan't delete anything.
So yeah.
Uh Brandar said, love that theofficer did not react negative
after finding out he hates cops.
Hard to find videos where copsdon't change their attitude when
(01:18:13):
they hear that.
I don't think it's hard to findthat.
I I think that's honestlyusually the most common
reaction.
It's just the ones that you dosee is because you got a
reaction.
SPEAKER_15 (01:18:26):
Just usually they're
never this calm.
Yeah.
Reactions get clicks.
SPEAKER_16 (01:18:30):
Yeah.
You think he's setting up hisdefense?
I don't know.
What defense are you gonna have,bro?
You was drunk, high, and youhate cops, so you hit him on
purpose.
I think I think your baddecision making for the day has
uh hit the track.
SPEAKER_04 (01:18:46):
Uh you hit the
quota, buddy.
SPEAKER_16 (01:18:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
Eye of the night, uh, he'sagreeing with Brandar.
Exactly.
We've seen far too manyinstances of ego policing for
way lessness.
And you're not wrong, there's alot out there.
I just don't think that's themajority.
I just think we see the this isnot a other than this this
suspect's reaction, everythingelse is pretty common.
(01:19:12):
But yeah.
Um, all right.
Let's uh see where this goes.
I'm sure we're at the end here.
There we go.
Alright, let's go on to the nextshare this tab, biggie size.
(01:19:32):
And let's go.
What are we going at?
He left some room, bro.
He's gonna go.
(01:19:53):
Look at all that space overhere.
SPEAKER_03 (01:19:57):
They might have a
policy that they can't walk
people in the house.
SPEAKER_16 (01:20:01):
Looks like there was
we were set up waiting for this
truck.
So they were waiting for thisguy to get here.
Um, but it looks like it'soccupied at least three times.
I think I see a head right herein the back seat.
I see somebody in the passengerseat, and obviously somebody had
(01:20:22):
to be driving.
I just can't see it.
Um so let's keep going.
If it's a stolen vehicle, thisis a very bad tactics.
Like you're right up to thewindow, your gun's not drawn,
you got you're not ready for youjumped up on the running board.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
(01:20:43):
What are you trying toaccomplish, bro?
You're not if they wanted tounlock that door, they would
have already done it.
I would I'm gonna get back in myvehicle, get my spikes, get
something, get they're notthey're going.
This car is going.
unknown (01:21:00):
Hey, what are the
fucking bar?
SPEAKER_17 (01:21:04):
That's the cop car
and all right, he's taking off
down Bull Run Road.
SPEAKER_04 (01:21:13):
I was positive he
was gonna hit that dumpster.
SPEAKER_15 (01:21:19):
I don't know a lot
about raptors, but they're
quick, right?
SPEAKER_13 (01:21:22):
They are truck.
If he has the R and knows how todrive, they're not gonna catch
him.
SPEAKER_17 (01:21:27):
That's a fast truck,
yeah.
Two in pursuit of a Ford Raptor,great, heading towards 311 on
Bull Run Road.
unknown (01:21:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_16 (01:21:51):
Alright.
When they bail, you're goingafter the driver.
Everybody else is uh you know,if you can get yeah, if you can
get them cool, but we try wegotta go after the driver.
Let's go.
(01:22:15):
He decided he wanted to go afterthe passenger.
So I'm assuming he's letting hisboys go after him behind him.
Now this but they we were set upon it, too.
Yeah, they were set up.
There's multiple cars involved.
They may be after the passenger,too.
That's possible, yeah.
Very true.
Yep, so this gets sketchy ifhe's by himself, because now
(01:22:39):
he's in a big open field and adead end road, yeah.
Dead end road by himself.
Good luck calling that out.
Brandar, it's a raptor.
Why try to chase?
Just go to the residence on theregistration, yeah, because
nobody steals vehicles and putsfake plates and stuff on their
(01:23:02):
cars.
I this is this is one of thedifferences, Brandar, in in
doing this for a living and thenjust sitting on the outside
trying to think logically.
Like, yes, if everybody followedthe rules and did things the
right way, that would make ahundred percent uh sense.
But these people will do plateswaps, they will fly uh switch
(01:23:23):
VINs, they'll do all sorts ofdifferent things on this.
They were set up on this car fora reason.
SPEAKER_07 (01:23:36):
Hey, I will pay the
piss out of you if you don't
fit.
SPEAKER_16 (01:23:39):
I will take the shit
out of you if you don't pay for
piss out of you if you don'ttaste the piss out of you.
I I am not a big fan of gettingmy hands occupied on a person
that I don't know if they'rearmed or not yet.
And they're running from me.
Like this is too much going onat once.
Like I I get it.
(01:24:01):
Maybe you saw that his handswere empty.
Okay.
Because I've done it uh on therun.
But this this is sketch to me.
You never know.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24:21):
Oh, did he fall?
Oh no, he over shooting.
SPEAKER_16 (01:24:27):
Shoot and move, bro.
Shoot and move.
Stand in one spot.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24:30):
Two, twenty two,
right?
SPEAKER_16 (01:24:33):
It does sound like
he's firing a rifle, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_13 (01:24:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:24:37):
Banning?
SPEAKER_13 (01:24:38):
I mean, it sounds
like I think it's a pistol, but
I think it's a it's a pistol,not a rifle.
SPEAKER_16 (01:24:42):
I think it's a
pistol, too, but the way it
sounds on the the body camera,because body cameras change the
sound of acoustics on your gun.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24:51):
It's a 5'7.
Yeah, 5'7.
SPEAKER_13 (01:24:55):
Big gun.
Two blocks in the northeasterlydirection.
Let's see here.
SPEAKER_16 (01:25:04):
Bro, get off the X.
SPEAKER_17 (01:25:06):
Y'all let me talk.
I got shots fired.
So spectrum.
SPEAKER_16 (01:25:09):
You gotta shoot and
move, fellas.
Gotta shoot and move.
Start working your angles.
If it were mean, couple shots,get off that X reassess.
SPEAKER_17 (01:25:22):
Down.
He's got a gun on him.
SPEAKER_04 (01:25:32):
The difference
between shooters and operators.
SPEAKER_16 (01:25:35):
That that looks like
a good distance.
It's hard to tell on a body.
SPEAKER_17 (01:25:38):
Clear this fella and
start giving him medical aid.
Yeah, he had a gun in his hand.
He pointed it at me.
Drop the mag.
I don't know where it's at.
SPEAKER_18 (01:25:47):
Okay.
SPEAKER_17 (01:25:47):
Alright, let's
approach and see if we can
locate that fire on my hand.
SPEAKER_16 (01:26:01):
I'm not gonna lie, I
would I would have swept wide
something.
Banning, you're more of atactical guy than me.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_13 (01:26:08):
It's it's it
absolutely.
And I I just keep running thatsound through my head.
And then I just heard thechamber close a second ago.
It does sound like a rifle.
I mean, very much so.
I even tried this the slideamount of time that it took to
close.
So he may have a rifle on him uhwhen he bailed out of the car.
(01:26:28):
I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_04 (01:26:29):
Gotta have like a
little nine mil, like a nine mil
nine mil subgun or something.
SPEAKER_13 (01:26:33):
And I and I
completely understand.
Let's go up here and see if hehas a weapon.
Well, let's go up here and getfirst aid.
Let's find out what's going on,make sure the weapon is away
from him.
Yeah.
Uh, but now it's our job to touh assist in life-saving
techniques.
SPEAKER_16 (01:26:47):
Yep.
All right, let's keep going.
SPEAKER_17 (01:26:52):
It's in his hand,
it's in his hand.
Hold cover.
Stand by.
Hold cover.
I'll take it from his hand.
Hold on.
SPEAKER_06 (01:27:01):
Gun's in his hand.
Gun in his hand.
SPEAKER_17 (01:27:03):
Finger on the
trickery.
Finger on the tricker.
SPEAKER_16 (01:27:11):
I don't I don't like
what we just saw here.
These are cops that are moreworried about liability and
being in trouble versus gettingthis scene secure.
What does that tell me?
SPEAKER_03 (01:27:25):
We also uh not to
give them an out, but we also
have a everything's completelyblurred.
So I don't know if if you walkup on someone that's been shot
in the head and they'reobviously deceased.
SPEAKER_15 (01:27:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (01:27:39):
I mean, there
sometimes there is there's time
there's you know for sure you'regonna have to render aid, and
other times you're they're likeobvious signs, yeah.
Yeah, so I I give them a littlebit of an out, but taking your
camera off and doing that.
SPEAKER_16 (01:27:53):
Yeah, I just I just
don't like I don't like that
it's come to that, but and thisis this is what my patrol area
was.
What's that?
SPEAKER_13 (01:28:02):
This is what my
patrol area was for the last
three years of my career was outin the middle of fucking
nowhere.
SPEAKER_16 (01:28:07):
Ranch patties out
there, yeah.
SPEAKER_13 (01:28:09):
Pretty much.
SPEAKER_16 (01:28:33):
I don't see a rifle
in anybody.
SPEAKER_17 (01:28:35):
Just drop it, just
drop it.
SPEAKER_16 (01:28:41):
Um I mean, damn good
work.
That was uh that was good workon his part.
I mean, he was able to shootaccurately at a pretty long
distance on the run andrecognize with a taser in his
hand that he had to transitionover.
That's hard, that's hard to do.
(01:29:02):
Um where was that con?
I saw a brand, I think it wasBrandon.
He said, what's gonna happen ifthey don't find a gun?
They investigate.
Figure out what it was hethought he saw.
Because does it matter if it's agun if somebody turns real quick
and tries to use the wholesuicide by cop with a pointing
(01:29:23):
real fast or a cell phone orjust their hand?
I mean, there's there'scountless videos out there of
people doing that, suicide bycop.
So just because you don't find agun doesn't necessarily mean
anything.
But you you investigate.
I'm digging for something.
I hear somebody digging.
SPEAKER_13 (01:29:46):
Uh and just a just a
quick comment to my cucumber go
through the academy, go servefor twenty years, and give me
your give me your best answer.
SPEAKER_16 (01:29:56):
What's he saying?
That was not good.
Oh my god.
Mike, shut up.
Stop with your bullshit.
He turned and tried to shoot himwith a gun.
Yeah, it was fucking good work.
I don't care what you say, bud.
Uh it's not cool that somebodyhad to die, but guess who made
that choice?
(01:30:16):
The guy that tried to turn andpoint a gun at a cop.
So sorry, bud.
Two cops as one, one has to havea throw down.
That wasn't no throwdown gun.
Uh I I give them credit.
I mean, they took the time tomake sure they collected the
(01:30:38):
evidence, you know, got theirbody cam out there to show.
Like they were on the up and up.
Man, be sure.
Be sure they're not playingpossum.
Because that's happened beforetoo.
Self-defense.
Mike, you're really close for meputting you in timeout.
Let's not let's not be a fuckingdouchebag, okay?
(01:31:00):
There's times for it where youcan have fun, but let's not be a
douchebag.
Uh I'm I'm just things like thisone when it's when it's apparent
and it's obvious, I'm just I'mnot in the mood for trolling.
Not tonight.
Not in the mood for it.
So I'll just put you in timeout,bud, if you're gonna play that
game tonight.
So yeah, I'll uh I I'm just justgiving you a warning tonight.
(01:31:24):
So take that for what it is,brother.
I gave you an out.
Um, alright, let's go to thenext one.
Share screen.
I really do need my own Jamie.
There we go.
Let's biggie size that one.
(01:31:47):
Alright.
This one's short, only twominutes forty seconds.
SPEAKER_11 (01:31:58):
We're pulling into
the apartment complex.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32:09):
2145.
SPEAKER_16 (01:32:15):
Does it look like
there's no plate on that car or
is it just blurred out?
SPEAKER_13 (01:32:20):
Kind of looks like I
think it might be blurred out a
little bit, man.
SPEAKER_04 (01:32:24):
Shadow or something
like that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:32:26):
One thing I noticed
was there's a speed limit sign
for school zone.
SPEAKER_11 (01:32:32):
So the the title is
done on the lot.
It's like they're flying aparking spot.
SPEAKER_04 (01:32:48):
Uh I saw that.
I saw this one.
SPEAKER_16 (01:32:53):
I think I've seen
this one too now that I see this
angle.
SPEAKER_13 (01:32:55):
Yeah, that's what
I've seen.
SPEAKER_16 (01:32:57):
I think this is a
shh.
Well, then I won't say anything.
I I don't know why we're pullingthis car over, but people
unassing it about to run.
There seems to be a reason.
Uh kind of looks like if I wereto get more of a stolen vehicle
vibe to me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:33:16):
Show me your fucking
hand.
Stay right there.
Stay right there.
Show me your hands.
SPEAKER_16 (01:33:22):
Oof.
This is this is sketch already.
SPEAKER_13 (01:33:26):
Super sketch.
This is a Honda Accord.
It's still the what the numberthree stolen vehicle in the
United States.
Um even back when I started backin 02.
I mean, it was the number onevehicle then, Honda Accord Honda
Civic.
SPEAKER_16 (01:33:41):
Shit.
Okay.
All right, let's see where thisguy.
SPEAKER_12 (01:33:53):
Hey.
SPEAKER_16 (01:34:02):
Oh my god, get off
the radio.
He was trying to get on theradio on his way down.
SPEAKER_01 (01:34:21):
Show me your fucking
hand.
Stand right there.
Stay right there.
Show me your hand.
SPEAKER_16 (01:34:26):
I hate Monday
morning quarterback.
He just made a ton of poorchoices.
Just a ton.
SPEAKER_13 (01:34:32):
He should have
stayed at the felony friggin' if
it if it's I can see it upthere.
Now I can see that it's a stolenvehicle, or at least report it
as.
Why the f why the hell aren't wegoing into a felony traffic stop
using the A-Pillar and doing asyou're friggin' instructed do in
the basic academy?
This shit pisses me off.
We we have these people thathave this training problem and
they always got to run to thatthreat.
(01:34:53):
Run of the threat.
No, get back there, do yourfriggin' announcements.
If you got a freaking set up aperimeter, do it.
And I can say that because I hadno fucking backup.
But do it the right way first.
Go through your fucking motions.
SPEAKER_16 (01:35:06):
Yeah, that's um to
me like you're not gonna get
everybody.
If you're alone, because itseems like he's by himself.
If you're alone, you're notgonna get everyone.
So just have that in your mind.
I just need one.
I don't need everybody, justneed one.
So hold what you got.
If they all bail out, obviouslyyou're probably gonna go after
the slowest one or the driver,one or two.
(01:35:29):
But I'm not going up there anddude, he cowboyed that shit and
he paid for it.
Yeah, that was uh AndyFletcher's right, they had zero
control of the stop.
A hundred percent yeah, yeah,that is insane.
SPEAKER_06 (01:36:06):
Shoot!
unknown (01:36:06):
Shoot it.
SPEAKER_16 (01:36:07):
He was still
shooting trying to get on the
radio.
Now, I can't really say shitbecause it sounds like he
dropped the this the shooter.
Yeah.
But that's insane.
SPEAKER_04 (01:36:41):
Look at all of these
people that should have been
there in the first place.
SPEAKER_16 (01:36:52):
Appreciate you,
Brandari dropped another five
membership.
SPEAKER_06 (01:37:05):
Yeah, that's a good
point.
SPEAKER_16 (01:37:06):
The backdrop, too.
It's all apartment complexes.
Damn.
SPEAKER_13 (01:37:09):
That's tough, man.
SPEAKER_16 (01:37:10):
That sucks.
SPEAKER_13 (01:37:12):
I mean Yeah, yes,
just like people say, I want to
know all the details.
It here's the deal.
We are focusing on what you guysare saying.
It's what we're seeing, and thewhole basis of this is what is
our uh opinion of all thisexperience of what we're seeing
and what you're seeing at thesame time.
Sure, we would love to have thatnarrative and and and see where
(01:37:33):
this is going and uh if it's apretextual and why, and and the
the dispatcher's comments, ordid this start two weeks ago
from a from a bybust at a schooluh to evolving to a stolen
vehicle?
You know, there's a lot ofthings we're not going to know
based on what's publiclyavailable on police activity.
That guy or company is pullingeverything he can out of FOIA,
(01:37:54):
however he's doing it, and he'smaking it available to the
public.
We're seeing what you're seeing.
We have the information that yousee.
We're not Googling anythingelse, we're giving you our
opinion on what we see rightnow.
SPEAKER_16 (01:38:04):
Yeah, and we've told
you all that before.
You know that that's why we dothis.
We we don't have the entirestory.
So we're just giving you commentbased on what we see to have
discussion on what we're seeing.
A hundred percent.
Otherwise, this is why you neverget conversation from cops
because they tell you the samefucking thing all the time.
(01:38:26):
Wait for the investigation to becomplete, wait for the
investigation to be complete.
You shouldn't say anything untilthe whole investigation is
complete.
Well, what do we solve infollowing that rhyme and reason?
Nothing.
So that's why we're here havingthe discussions with you.
SPEAKER_13 (01:38:41):
And in reference to
show me audits, I think he did
uh land a couple rounds into theperson that shot him, the
driver.
Uh, you know, our our our we asa as a whole, as a panel here, I
think I can speak favorably.
Uh, I don't think either of uswith our training would go rush
up on that with this being afelony traffic stop and with
that friggin' complex in theback, knowing that that thing
(01:39:03):
was a 60 or a friggin' stolenvehicle.
You know, they're not just gonnarush up and do that, they're
gonna go into their to theirtraining.
But they may know some thingsthat we don't see in this video.
And it may have backfired onthat friggin' officer and he had
to act accordingly.
He may have heard there's achild in the car, or there can
be so many different factorsthat we don't friggin' know, and
(01:39:23):
that officer is trying to make amillisecond decision right then
and there.
It doesn't mean it was it waswrong in the circumstances of
what's going on, and he paid theprice.
He got hit with a round or two,and now he's having to freaking
do buddy aid self aid on himselfand and get hold of the
situation.
I mean, Eric, anything else,dead leg badge 502, anything on
(01:39:44):
that.
SPEAKER_04 (01:39:44):
Yeah, um it was
self-administered uh first aid,
especially when it comes totourniquets, is not easy.
Tourniquets hurt.
For those of you who don't know,tourniquets hurt a lot.
Um so for you to be able toocclude your arteries, it does
not feel good.
SPEAKER_16 (01:39:59):
Yeah, when you do it
right.
SPEAKER_04 (01:40:00):
Yeah, so when you
when you're torquing that down,
I've I've fortunately not beenin the scenario where I've had
to apply one to myself or any ofmy officers have had to apply to
them.
But from what I understand, alot of officers that this does
happen to do not properlyinclude that vein and still end
or the that artery and still endup having some bleeding common.
So that's yeah, that's toughstuff.
(01:40:21):
You don't want that to happen,yeah.
SPEAKER_13 (01:40:23):
Throw up uh pirate
truck uh seven down.
Um does the sip so I can I canspeak on this, and that and
this, and I can speak on acounty and a city level.
Um, I've seen it where a straybullet um even even from a
suspect due to the policeencounter to where the city came
in and just took care of thesituation.
(01:40:44):
Um I've also seen it on thecounty uh to where some things
have happened, to where thecounty had made them full.
Uh thank God nobody was hurt,and it was a vehicle uh due to a
vehicle tap that created somesome property damage and the
county paid for that.
It wasn't the county that Iworked for, but I came as a
backup.
So I've seen it a lot of timesto where they're just gonna come
(01:41:05):
write that wrong because of a ofa mishap, not necessarily on the
law enforcement agency or thecounty because of the totality
of the circumstances, and theycame in and fixed it.
Now, a city can say, hey, screwyou, sue me.
And you can run through thecourt system because they're out
there acting in in good faith ofthe law.
And and that's what wouldhappen.
You'd have to go through thecourt system on a civil side.
(01:41:26):
But a lot of good agencies outthere, internal affairs and the
city government and theattorneys, will sit there and
investigate and they're like,you know what?
This was on us, we're gonna goout there, nobody's heard, but
we're gonna fix that, andthey'll do that.
I've seen a lot more fix-its asopposed to let's take this to
court.
So that's my answer on it.
SPEAKER_16 (01:41:44):
Now, Mike, he said
the entire story is important to
assess the situation.
Were they enforcing a tyrannicallaw?
Yeah, you're right.
It would be wonderful if we hadthe whole fucking story.
But guess what?
In the entire history of thefour years that we've been doing
this plus, we've never had thefull story, and you have been a
part of what we've been doingfor months, maybe even a year or
(01:42:05):
longer.
So you know that we don't havethat.
We never have that.
We just pull random ass videos,usually off police activity, and
we talk about the few, two,three, four-minute video and
what we have in front of us.
So you're either trolling oryou're just not understanding
how this game is played on thisshow.
(01:42:27):
If you don't like the format andhow we're doing it, then you
open up and do some contentwhere you got the full story.
I would love the full story.
We don't have that.
That's not how we do this.
We don't have the full story.
So I agree with you.
You're right.
It would be fucking wonderful ifwe had the whole story, but we
(01:42:47):
don't have it.
SPEAKER_04 (01:42:47):
We don't have the
whole story.
We have a newsroom and a camera.
SPEAKER_16 (01:42:50):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (01:42:52):
There you go.
Eric likes his movie quote.
So you go that's why I thinkyeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:42:55):
So we watch the body
camera, that's why it's called
Body Cram Live.
It is what it is, and yes,you're right, Freeman.
I am a little salty.
Damn right.
He should know better.
SPEAKER_13 (01:43:07):
He should know
better.
And and Mike, you can see you'restill around.
We we love that this is whatthis is for.
We love, and we're not trying toconvince anybody of anything.
We're bringing our educatedopinion of however many years
that we've all had together, andwe're giving you our opinion.
If you don't like our opinion,I'm sorry if you lose sleep over
(01:43:27):
it, but this is just, you know,we're not we're not the Supreme
Court.
We're not anything.
We're giving you, we're we'rebridging the gap between the
community and law enforcement.
We're giving you our opinion onwhat we would do with our
training and experience, andthat is it.
And what we see.
SPEAKER_16 (01:43:42):
That's it.
Country girl, calm down.
All right.
You're right.
I need to calm down.
I'm riled up tonight.
Fucking salty tonight.
Not in the mood tonight.
SPEAKER_15 (01:43:53):
Chew bubblegum, you
know what?
SPEAKER_16 (01:43:55):
Kick ass.
Mike Cucumber, I apologize.
I am.
I'm I've been on you too muchtonight.
SPEAKER_13 (01:44:00):
Yep, you're you're
to make Eric start changing
camera angles.
SPEAKER_16 (01:44:03):
I'm gonna have to
start changing a bunch of Mike.
I apologize.
I've been on your ass too much.
It's not your fault.
You're asking questions in ashitty mood.
I'm sorry, buddy.
SPEAKER_04 (01:44:13):
You've got
questions, we've got answers.
SPEAKER_16 (01:44:16):
That's right.
Yeah, that's something.
Let me get my ID out for you soyou can see it.
My bad.
My bad, Mike.
I'm in a I am.
I'm in a I'm not in my flow.
I'm just I gotta get in my flow.
I just I had to set all thisshit up tonight because it's
more is it is it your time ofthe month and you are in the
(01:44:36):
flow?
SPEAKER_03 (01:44:37):
I am.
I think I'm man trading.
SPEAKER_16 (01:44:39):
I think that's what
it is.
SPEAKER_13 (01:44:40):
Heavy hashtag heavy
heavy floweric Rebson.
SPEAKER_15 (01:44:46):
I flow with Eric.
SPEAKER_13 (01:44:49):
Oh, you just fucked
yourself, man.
SPEAKER_16 (01:44:52):
Yeah, I split with
Alan, I flow with Eric.
Oh shit.
Spell my name.
Put put some respect on my name,dead leg.
SPEAKER_04 (01:45:03):
Spell it right.
Some speck on it.
Whoa, Brandon.
SPEAKER_16 (01:45:09):
Oh shit.
Brandar loves us tonight, man.
Throw this up here.
What do you say?
SPEAKER_04 (01:45:16):
Fucking Rockefeller
over here.
SPEAKER_16 (01:45:18):
First and foremost,
Brandon.
Thank you, buddy.
Yes, thank you.
Dropping 50 bones on us.
Uh, police need to have adepartment or shift get together
within reason and criticizeevents like this, make it a
learning experience to evolve.
Just like doctors after theylose a patient in surgery, they
may get butthurt.
We we we do have that.
We call it a debrief.
SPEAKER_13 (01:45:38):
Yes.
Yep.
Let me let me let me add onething to this real quick, and
then deadleg it's all yours.
For those of you that that areconnecting me on LinkedIn, I
get, and I'm not gonna put theirdepartments out there, however,
so many accolades from acrossthe country in Canada, Israel,
Ireland, the UK, that areactually taking our podcasts and
(01:46:01):
they're watching them on how wekind of break them down.
And they're starting to turnthese into a little bit more for
their AARs.
And I know you got one too,Eric, but I wanted to bring this
up because I get all these.
I don't share them publiclybecause they're sending them
this to me in private.
But for them to actually look atthis and make them want to look
at their stuff more on an AAR orafter action report, whatever
(01:46:25):
you want to call it, doesn'thave to be military, but they're
just looking at the aftereffects.
How can we make ourselvesbetter?
And they are taking this showand bringing it up to their mid
and upper level supervisors, andthey're doing that.
So we might not be making animpact to everybody here on the
show, but I know we're making animpact globally, and uh and at
least in a small scale for thegood.
SPEAKER_16 (01:46:46):
Yeah, I just um so
this conference that I just got
back from, a person came up tome and showed me like page six
of their dissertation where theyused two cops, one donut as a
reference to how their opinionon something in a scholarly
written thesis.
It was fucking awesome.
So just let you guys know whatwe're doing out there is being
(01:47:09):
watched, and people are usingthis stuff.
So we are making a change.
SPEAKER_13 (01:47:13):
And two of our
breakdowns, and I'll get with
you later, Eric, were also usedat the T C Cole Conference, uh,
FYI, and in a couple of the uhuh classes down there, we'll
talk offline on it.
One of them was positive and oneof them was negative, saying
we're not gonna be like twocops, one donut on one of these.
And it was one of our firstshows way back when, and it
(01:47:34):
wasn't even a negative comment,but the instructor was just
coming up with content.
But the fact of the matterthat's making it in these
classes, I believe, is positive.
It's opening up some eyes.
SPEAKER_16 (01:47:45):
Yeah.
Um we uh somebody asked aboutwhere Matt uh Thornton's at.
Um, guys, he's fucking busy.
Like he's real close to the endof his policing, so he's shoring
up a lot of things.
He's we're putting out a uh aMatt's own um season episode
thing uh that we're puttingtogether, um, show.
(01:48:08):
So that'll be out there.
So he's been doing a lot ofrecording for that.
Um, just timing.
That's really all it is.
He just hasn't hasn't had time,especially since we went out to
Arizona.
He had to make that up to mamawhen he got back.
So um, but yeah, sorry, deadleg.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
I know me and Banning cut youthere.
SPEAKER_03 (01:48:28):
Oh no, we you guys
both answered the same question
because the uh asked about doingstuff like what we do for
agencies, and I'm not with anagency anymore, but we did the
agency that I was with afterevery major event on shift, the
entire shift, whether you werethere and responded to the call
or you were doing something elseand you just listened to radio
(01:48:49):
traffic the entire time.
But everybody on shift, myentire shift would get together
and we would debrief at the endof the shift because we had time
built into our schedule for towork out and do other stuff, and
this was part of that otherstuff, continue training and
debriefing and making sure thatwe have time for reports and
other stuff.
But every major event we woulddo this, or alternatively, we
(01:49:12):
did it for a mental health sideof things for our officers.
If the officers had a call thatthey went to that just hung on
them and said, Hey, this one'srough, can we talk about this
one as a group?
We would do that as well.
Then we would always we had athing because it was momentum on
night shift, so that's when wehad our rougher calls.
We rotated shifts, so when weget off night shift, we would
(01:49:33):
go, Hey, are we going toDenny's?
So if we had a rough, roughshift, rough call, the entire
shift would go to Denny's.
Yeah, it was not, it wasn'tmandatory, it wasn't like a
sign-in sheet thing.
It was just one of those, hey,someone had a rough call, we're
gonna go together as a shift, asa family.
Sometimes not everybody wentbecause you know they have other
like actual family and kids andstuff, but yeah, so that
(01:49:54):
happens.
It's it's it's one of thosethings that that leadership that
over time they started doing andimplementing those a lot of
things from the military.
One of the things is those isthat it got out into like the
civilian world, and over timethat has become more of a thing
that happens.
And I was involved at a majorcouple of major events when I
(01:50:16):
worked for Ohio State as asecurity officer, and I worked
for the their department ofpublic public safety, they have
a police department and allkinds of other stuff.
But as part of even a part ofthat agency, with part with the
little role that I had, we werestill included and still
involved in all of we had ashooting when we were there,
then we had a couple ofpolitical events, and we had a
couple other we have always thefootball and all this stuff of
(01:50:38):
the season, but after everymajor event, everything major
things, we would sit down andgo, Hey, what we do right?
What can we do better?
And what can we could do?
What could we hey?
We did solid on this.
Whatever we did for you, parkedyour car, great.
Keep parking your cars just likethat, or park them a little bit
better this time, or so it'ssomething that does happen, yes.
SPEAKER_16 (01:50:58):
Yeah.
So with the debriefs, um,Brandard's asking, are there to
be debriefs for all day for anevent like that?
Normally it's an event.
Um, I always like to debriefwith my partner if we took a
domestic together, no matter theoutcome, if it was good, bad,
indifferent.
I I like doing that.
(01:51:19):
Um, but you you don't debrieffor the whole day necessarily.
Uh just just major calls.
Um, because you you've got yourrun-of-the-mill calls.
There's no there's no nothing tothem.
You just go there, knock themout.
There's not even a reportinvolved.
But things that are prettysignificant, we like to call
them significant events.
Yeah, we like to do debriefs forthose if you can, if time
(01:51:39):
allows.
Um, but yeah, uh marine blood.
Do you have a man pond to sendto Eric?
Join the Discord, coordinatingshipping.
Oh shit.
Uh can you speak?
Michael Riley said, Can youspeak?
Can you speak more to officers'mental health?
I was talking to the therapistthe other day, and they said
(01:52:01):
police still have pretty strongstigma to getting help.
Sucks in the job with this muchPTSD.
Um, I my experience has beenit's it's not that cops aren't
willing to get help anymore.
I don't think it's not thatthey're not willing to get help,
it's they need to trust thesource of help they're getting.
I think a lot of times uh inorder for mental health to be
(01:52:24):
effective, it has to be outsideof the department.
It cops need to have athird-party option that doesn't
track their name and who theyare and what they do and all of
that.
They need to feel like they'reable to speak freely and not
have any um you know anythingnegative happen from the
department because they went andgot help.
(01:52:46):
So that I think that's been thebig stigma anymore lately.
But I don't know anybody gotanything different on that?
SPEAKER_03 (01:52:55):
Back in the day, it
was one of the if you go, then
that was a red flag when you goto get a year, like for me,
because I work government sideof things, you get a red flag on
your SF 86 on your securityclearance, and it's not gonna go
if you've gone to anything,you'll not you'll not get your
clearance, it won't getadvanced.
So for that, there's there isalways that around that.
Then I think as we've gotteninto like more today times, a
(01:53:20):
lot of it too is if you'regetting help, the idea is that
you're getting help.
And if the officers, you know,don't feel that one, that they
can trust the therapist they'redealing with, or that if I get
this help, that the agency isn'tgoing to try to fire me because
they look at me as a liability,because that was often a thing
that you know, same thing backin the day.
As soon as you got help, you arered flag, you got a mental
(01:53:42):
health case, and you can't, youknow, now you can't carry a
firearm.
So it's I would say it's adouble-edged sword, but it it's
one of those where as a globe,we've gotten more people.
So with more people, we'vegotten more exposure, more
people that become policeofficers over time, and we've
seen what works and what hasn'tworked, and we're seeing that
(01:54:04):
that's something that definitelyneeds to be focused on.
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:54:07):
Um, Brandart asked,
uh, he dropped two bucks for us.
He said your debrief debrief iswith your partner only.
No, not always.
It depends.
Like, if if we knew we had agood takeaway from a call,
that's gonna be a roll callthing the next day.
Hey, me and Deadleg were on thiscall.
This is what happened, this ishow we handled it.
Here's you know, we may evenpull up body cam.
(01:54:28):
Look, this is what we saw, butthis is what our camera caught.
Like, you know, there was a guyhiding over here, we passed
right by him.
We should have slowed down andchecked this.
We would just want you guys tomake that same mistake.
So, no, um, debriefs are notjust between you and your
partner, it just depends.
It's one of those things that'skind of a it's a judgment call.
Um and and that goes into howyour teams work together.
(01:54:54):
Because let's say I'm a newofficer, I'm I've only been on
the streets six months, and mypartner's only been on the
streets eight months, and now weknow we had a cool call where we
thought was you know somethingcool to debrief.
Are we gonna have the balls tobring that up in roll call the
next day?
Are we gonna have the balls toat least go tell our sergeant,
(01:55:14):
hey, is this something that maybe good to for training purposes
at roll call?
Can you can you do it for us,Sarge?
You know, like those these arethings that you you gotta have
those those conversations with.
Um and and then uh banning'strying to get back in.
And and then with did you dropBanning?
(01:55:36):
He's trying to get his soundworking.
Every time he logs out, everytime he logs out, he's gotta get
his sound working.
There he is.
But um, yeah, uh like criticalincidents, at least at my
department, they always do a uha full breakdown of the
investigation.
Um even if it's not complete, uhthey'll they'll take the video,
(01:56:00):
they'll show every video anglethey have and try to use that
for training purposes.
Um Brandar dropped another twobucks.
He said debriefs allow everyonethere to provide input.
Yes, yes, everybody should whenyou do a proper debrief, at
least um any debrief I've been apart of, rank no longer plays.
(01:56:25):
Rank rank is off the table.
Everybody that debriefs your Ican tell a captain, hey, you
fucked this part up.
And they ain't a damn thing heshould be able to do about that.
The moment somebody does try topull rank or say something,
they're they're done.
They're no longer a part ofdebriefs, I promise you that.
Uh, it's it's just the same asthe military.
Because Brandon, I'm pretty sureyou're a military guy too.
(01:56:47):
You you know we're we don't playthat crap in the military.
Debriefs, there's no morethere's no more feelings on the
table.
Although feelings do come out onthe table.
People will want to they'll wantto justify themselves.
Marine Blood said, Eric, I thinkthe bike question was something
like, Can you get reckless on abike for doing a wheelie or
(01:57:08):
something like that?
It was several weeks ago.
It came up, so I don't recallfully.
What are we talking about?
SPEAKER_13 (01:57:16):
He's talking about
like a friggin' crowd truck, a
go faster bike doing a wheelie,can we articulate reckless
driving on that?
SPEAKER_16 (01:57:26):
I mean, I think I I
guess you could.
I'm not gonna bother personally.
You know, if you hit if youwreck out, now I can say you
were reckless driving becauseyou were doing a wheelie and you
wrecked out, but if you do awheelie successfully and it
doesn't affect anybody, how doyou justify reckless drive?
(01:57:47):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_13 (01:57:47):
Those kind of
problems usually fix themselves.
SPEAKER_16 (01:57:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I in some states I I theyhave exhibitioning laws.
SPEAKER_13 (01:57:57):
Well we used to have
we used to have an exhibition of
acceleration here in the stateof Texas till I think 2006.
Um that was spinning your tires,uh racing, stuff like that.
But now the state of Texas looksat racing, you don't have to
have two vehicles.
It can be one for contest ofspeed.
Um, and then that's where thelaw comes in.
So, yes, you could do racing forsomebody.
(01:58:18):
Uh, if if it's a high rate ofspeed over and above the speed
limit while holding thatwheelie, and I get it.
I mean, I used to be a a highAbusa rider uh back in back in
uh 01 when those things friggin'were kind of coming on the
scene, uh, riding in groups andthen riding on private property
to do those those types oftricks and stuff like that.
But when you get on the highway,now you're in you're endangering
(01:58:40):
other people's lives.
But if you're riding a wheeliestraight in line, you don't have
an obstruction in front of you.
I I don't know how many timesI've seen that on in public, and
I try not to engage that becauseI don't want to make that quote
unquote reckless behavior in hisrear view now.
He's dealing with me in thebackground, then it causes an
accident.
That's that's just mepersonally.
SPEAKER_16 (01:59:00):
Yeah.
Um, I actually I think I found aa picture of you on your
Hayabusa.
SPEAKER_13 (01:59:08):
Man, I know you're
gonna pull up some fucking fat
motherfucker on it.
There it is.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:59:15):
Tons of anarchy.
SPEAKER_13 (01:59:18):
That gum, man.
That poor bike.
Holy shit.
SPEAKER_16 (01:59:22):
Oh man, that guy is
riding.
Yeah, you know.
I think he's in uh what was thatmovie with uh Martin Lawrence
and um John Travolta?
SPEAKER_13 (01:59:32):
Oh, you're talking
about uh wild hogs, yeah.
SPEAKER_16 (01:59:36):
Wild hogs, yeah.
There you go.
Something hot.
Tons of anarchy.
Oh, that's fucked up.
Oh shit.
Sorry, buddy.
Well, boys, we are we're rightat two hours.
Um, I'm ready to call it quitsfor tonight.
(01:59:59):
Uh I got no more videos.
Badge 502.
What do you got going on?
What can people know about you?
I can't hear you, bud.
SPEAKER_04 (02:00:10):
Technology.
There you go.
Come hang out with us over onFacebook, over here on YouTube,
TikTok, Instagram, all the goodstuff.
Badge 502 across the world,except Instagram, because
somebody stole that from mebefore I was anything.
Dang it.
So now it's EMT Badge 502 overthere.
Just come hang out.
It's a good time.
Work hard to be kind always.
SPEAKER_16 (02:00:26):
Um, we're gonna get
um ready or not going.
Uh I believe badge 502 can getit, right?
You've got ready or not,correct?
Or you're gonna get it.
SPEAKER_04 (02:00:35):
I do not, but I'm
gonna pick it up.
I just picked up Borderlands 4and it's ups.
I'm obsessed right now.
SPEAKER_16 (02:00:40):
Okay.
Well, I need you to get ready ornot because we're trying to stay
cop themed over here.
Uh Deadlegs got ready or not.
So there's at least three of us.
It would be nice to have afourth.
SPEAKER_04 (02:00:52):
All right.
I'll try I'm right on top ofthat, Rose.
SPEAKER_16 (02:00:57):
Benny.
SPEAKER_13 (02:00:59):
Send me the details,
man, so I can uh digest it and
you're gonna have to get Steam.
SPEAKER_16 (02:01:04):
It's on Steam.
SPEAKER_04 (02:01:05):
That's me tote.
SPEAKER_16 (02:01:07):
Get your Steam
account, bud.
Get ready or not, and we'llstart.
I think it's called homeinvasion, is the version I would
like to do.
SPEAKER_04 (02:01:14):
I'm just gonna F
with everybody when I'm I'm just
gonna just start sending rounds.
Just yeah, just doing a wholebunch of drywall work.
SPEAKER_16 (02:01:24):
I like it.
Hell yeah.
Uh, what is uh Mike Cucumber?
Is doing a wheelie on a unicycleillegal?
SPEAKER_13 (02:01:35):
I know he didn't
spend money on that.
SPEAKER_16 (02:01:37):
He did$1.99 to bring
that one up.
That's pretty funny, though.
SPEAKER_13 (02:01:41):
That's a lot of
pretty talented if somebody can
do it.
SPEAKER_16 (02:01:44):
So you know uh
Michael Riley said, you may have
answered this before.
Can officers just take a biker'skey during a traffic stop?
Is that allowed seizure?
I believe it is legal.
I think that is.
SPEAKER_13 (02:01:57):
I just I don't
necessarily just on a standard
traffic stop, and I think I knowthe video that he's referring to
when the officer got.
Cuts in front of him and getsout, yanks his key out, and
starts telling him what he justobserved and this and that.
And yeah, I you know, if I'mgonna take somebody's key out,
(02:02:17):
to me that's pretty seriously.
I'm usually, you know, these arethis is somebody that we've
articulated just in my in myhistory to where we have the
plate, we have the person, thethe detail.
They usually wear the samething.
We can articulate it as such,and and uh I don't take the key
out, I remove the person out ofred light, and so that's
separating him from his bike.
I hop out of the driver's seatand remove him from his bike to
(02:02:39):
where he's not gonna hurtsomebody again.
I think I say it again, butthat's because of one of my old
people that I used to deal with.
SPEAKER_16 (02:02:46):
I think it's one of
those things that I I don't
think it's legal, I don't thinkit should be, but I think it is,
and I I don't agree with it.
I think that that's a huge viunless you can like DWI.
Like if somebody's drunk behindthe wheel, we can take the keys,
like that is but just on a basictraffic stop for speeding or you
know, running a stop sign, or II don't see how that's I don't
(02:03:09):
see how that's allowed, but Ithink the law is on the side of
the cop on that.
I don't know that I'm talkingout of my ass, but I yeah, I
think that's what I've heardbefore.
SPEAKER_13 (02:03:18):
And then if you
think a felony traffic stop,
either stolen vehicle or orfelony in progress in the
officer's presence or view,they're telling them, hey, you
know, you with your right handturn the key off, with your left
hand place the keys either ontop or throw it away from the
vehicle.
It's the same thing, just exceptthe officer's removing it.
And I've seen some of thosevideos.
Do I agree with a lot of them?
No, but I don't know what theirspecific state laws are in
(02:03:39):
reference to removing thatignition key.
SPEAKER_16 (02:03:41):
Yeah.
Wade asks, do horses still haveright-of-way in Texas?
Yeah, they do.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
A horse has a right-of-way downhere, butt.
Yep, yep, for sure.
SPEAKER_13 (02:03:52):
In the in the state
of Texas, if a cow or horse or
another domesticated type farmanimal gets out on a highway and
you're a person traveling downthe interstate or an 18-wheeler
driver, commercial driverdoesn't have you, and you can't
avoid a new hit.
Guess who is paying for thatcow, bull, or horse?
It's your company or yourinsurance is going to replace it
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because Texas is what's calledfree range, and that's the
entire state.
Even in congested areas likeDallas, Austin, Houston, it is
free range.
It's the entire state, and thatgoes back to the 1800s.
SPEAKER_16 (02:04:29):
Yep.
Christian Holsey says hello.
Hello, Christian.
Um Brandar.
He dropped another five bucks.
He said, Have you seen the videoof police forcing someone off
the bike and then setting theirairbag vest leading them to
what?
I have not seen that one.
No, I haven't seen the Brandar.
If you got that video, send thatshit to me.
SPEAKER_04 (02:04:51):
I've never seen an
airbag vest cause suffocation at
all.
SPEAKER_16 (02:04:53):
No shit.
I I would do a reaction video tothat.
SPEAKER_04 (02:04:56):
Seriously.
SPEAKER_16 (02:04:57):
Holy shit.
I don't think I've seen thatone.
I've seen some some bikers getripped off their bike, and I'm
just like, relax.
SPEAKER_13 (02:05:09):
Some Marine Blood
said traveling, not driving.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:12):
Yeah, yeah.
I thought that same thing whenyou said it.
SPEAKER_13 (02:05:17):
That's some funny
shit, man.
That's good stuff.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:05:19):
Well, just according
to the articles of
Confederation.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:05:24):
That's great.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:25):
Yeah.
In Texas, you cannot have yourchickens be unnatural colors.
Just know that.
So don't spray paint yourchickens.
SPEAKER_13 (02:05:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:05:33):
You should do a
whole video on the on those like
insane like stay balls thatstill count.
Yeah, those freaking wild ones.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:40):
You can't sleep with
your goat more than two times in
a year.
SPEAKER_04 (02:05:43):
You gotta do it at
the edge of a cliff so it pushes
back.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:46):
Keep going on taking
notes.
Keep going on taking notes.
SPEAKER_13 (02:05:50):
How many toys can
you transport legally in your
car?
One house.
SPEAKER_16 (02:05:53):
Oh, yeah.
Sexual toys.
I think it's seven or five.
One of the two.
I can't remember.
SPEAKER_13 (02:05:58):
Yeah.
Does it turn into a Rico case ifyou drive into a different
state?
SPEAKER_04 (02:06:04):
Is that covered
under FOPA?
SPEAKER_16 (02:06:06):
Right?
Well, we got to check dead legbecause then the stimulator.
Only police can try to get thebull off the road.
That's not true.
Because I can tell you rightnow, I've had a team of cowboys
come out and help me.
Actual cowboys on the back ofhorses come up and rope and rein
(02:06:29):
in these.
It was it was goats for me, butI've seen them do the bulls as
well.
Yeah, I had a whole mess ofgoats, and they just they were
little assholes.
They'll let you get a little bitclose, but if you got too close,
then they just like not run fromyou, like just enough where
you're like, you're not gonnaget them.
And I'm like, you assholes, andall of a sudden, some some
(02:06:50):
cowboys coming down the road.
I'm like, I need help.
And they're like, let's go grabour ropes.
They go grab the ropes, comeout.
I love Texas, man.
SPEAKER_13 (02:06:59):
I jumped on the back
of a bareback horse on duty, and
it was the worst decision, atleast in a three-month time
period that I've done.
Yeah, that horse gave me a ridefor my life.
SPEAKER_16 (02:07:11):
Most of these laws
have been overturned.
I don't not by us, our statestill has some crazy ass laws, I
tell you that.
SPEAKER_13 (02:07:17):
We do.
SPEAKER_16 (02:07:18):
Yeah, we still got
some weird ones out there.
They're old, they still gotthem.
Just like uh Arizona, they cando posse.
SPEAKER_13 (02:07:26):
Yep.
Like they can have a posse.
Texas has posse too, but not tothe extent of Arizona.
SPEAKER_15 (02:07:32):
Really?
SPEAKER_13 (02:07:34):
We have the Jack
County posse up here.
You betcha.
100%.
They'll come beach you.
Now that's more of a SAR orsearch and rescue.
A whole bunch of guys gettogether that are in the
community and they come andhelp.
They're not necessarily armed,but in Arizona, they do have a
posse that the the sheriff cansay, and it falls under if
anybody wants to look it up,falls under posse comatatis.
(02:07:56):
So if you say there's a posse inTexas and they're not
necessarily armed, uh I I'mgonna tell you, I'm gonna tell
you there's over 150 uhsheriff's posse in the state of
Texas out of the 200 andwhatever counties that we have.
So are they armed legally?
No, they're not.
Are they actually armed?
Yeah, you're one, but uh yeah,that type of thing.
SPEAKER_16 (02:08:19):
Ward said parking,
reverse, neutral, traveling, and
low.
That's how my transform isplayed.
Oh shit.
David Edmondson said Eric buttonbusting.
Now that's funny.
Hey, I have chased after aShetland pony that could get
bro, he was an escape artist.
(02:08:39):
They had him on video on theirlittle home video security
system.
He could take that, it was likea like a L-shaped lock.
He would nudge it up, turn it,and that would open up the damn
gate.
Little bastard was slick.
SPEAKER_13 (02:08:54):
Hey, get out look
up, and this is the people that
are watching, look up HalthamCity miniature horse.
You're gonna see one of our guysthat's retired years ago deal
with a miniature horse for a fewmiles.
And I believe if I remember Ihave to go watch the video, I'm
pretty sure he went and hoppedon this thing to get it off the
road.
SPEAKER_16 (02:09:12):
Yeah, but it's the
one that I would chase always
went to Walmart.
Yeah, yeah.
Always go to the back of theWalmart.
So we just get the shoppingcarts out, make them real long
on one side so we could chasethem to the back, and then then
we get rollback prices, man.
Yep, and we go get the owner andhave him come out and grab them.
It was it's actually one ofthose calls when that call would
(02:09:32):
go out, everybody's like tryingto get to it first because it's
just a fun call.
SPEAKER_13 (02:09:38):
Everybody thinks
cops and live PD is fun.
If you actually saw the realnight and day of real law
enforcement out there, it's ablast.
I mean, it is it's it's uh it'sgood stuff, it's boring as shit
for 80% of the time, but that20% of being fun, it's fun, man.
I mean, the stuff that we do,remember to handles and
(02:09:58):
everything in the middle of afriggin' city.
SPEAKER_16 (02:10:00):
Brandar sent me the
uh the oh, it's um it's one of
the civil rights lawyers videos.
I'm gonna say I'm uh Brandar,we'll save that one for the next
time because his videos arepretty in-depth.
Um, and I I like his breakdowns.
Civil lawyer, civil rightslawyer is badass.
Um, I think he does a reallygood job.
I'd love to get him on thepodcast.
Uh if anybody's got anyconnections, let me know.
(02:10:25):
Um, Michael Riley said, Man,Eric, without context, I used to
have a bunch of goats.
I bet you did, Eric.
I bet you did.
SPEAKER_04 (02:10:36):
I wasn't gonna say
it.
I'm glad somebody else did.
SPEAKER_16 (02:10:38):
Hey, shut the front
door.
Badge five.
SPEAKER_04 (02:10:42):
I said nothing.
I that was static.
SPEAKER_16 (02:10:45):
Anyway, all right,
boys, let's wrap this up.
Deadleg, you got anything beforewe get out there?
You got anything about failureto uh stop podcast?
SPEAKER_03 (02:10:53):
No, we'll have a
show Friday at 11.
Eric's book is out.
You can go get it at otherEric's book.
Pig Latin.
Pig Latin.
SPEAKER_16 (02:11:01):
Pig Latin, guys.
Check it out.
Very, very funny cop relatedbook, all real stories from our
buddy Eric Tanzy.
SPEAKER_03 (02:11:11):
I've probably
podcast him with him every week
for the last four years.
Yeah, I can't remember his name.
Yeah, his book came out, so weuh we'll have that every Friday,
and then there's some otherstuff going on in the back side,
back deals with back in withthat.
That's kind of cool.
And then I have my surgery intwo weeks.
Oh, I'm really looking, really,really looking forward to uh
making that challenge a littlebit.
SPEAKER_16 (02:11:30):
You can convince
Tansy to be on our next live
Monday.
SPEAKER_03 (02:11:34):
I'll call, I'll talk
to him.
SPEAKER_16 (02:11:35):
See see if he he can
promote the book, do all that
shit too.
But um, Bandy, you got anythingbefore we get out of here?
SPEAKER_13 (02:11:43):
No, man.
I just appreciate everybody thatactually sticks around with us,
commentates, comes over here incomments, everything like that.
Thank you for the I'm gonna callthem donations uh that y'all do
to the show.
That's that's amazing.
Thank you so much.
Don't forget about the what isit, buy a coffee, uh, whatever.
You know, that's I think that'sprobably a better route uh for
(02:12:03):
all that kind of thing, but I'mjust still learning this stuff.
So thank you.
SPEAKER_16 (02:12:06):
Appreciate it, guys.
All that money you guys donategoes directly into this account
uh for the the YouTube and fordoing this software and stuff
that we use for this.
So we do appreciate that.
Thank you very much.
Uh Brandar was the show tonight,so he he he paid for production
tonight.
Thanks, brother.
We really do appreciate that.
SPEAKER_04 (02:12:26):
Keeping the lights
on.
SPEAKER_13 (02:12:26):
Um, yeah, even if
you're sitting in the background
and you're just watching, you'renot commenting.
Thank you for sticking around.
Don't be afraid to say somethingup there.
If you can see with anyway,we're not gonna we're not gonna
get on you.
Bring your questions, yourcomments, we're not gonna shoot
you down.
So thank you very much.
SPEAKER_04 (02:12:45):
Catch fan.
If I if I start talking, man,I'll never let them stop.
I'll never let them start.
So that's that's why I mellowout in the back a little bit.
I'm a jibba jabber.
SPEAKER_16 (02:12:54):
We love it, we love
it.
Yeah.
But all right, boys, let's endthis.
Uh I'll end this.
Everybody, thanks for joiningon.
You guys stick around for asecond.
Take it easy.
Peace.
SPEAKER_13 (02:13:04):
Appreciate it, guys.
SPEAKER_04 (02:13:05):
Let it.