The Journalist and The Cop: An Honest Conversation About Police Accountability

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All right, welcome back, ericLevine.

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Two Cops One Donut.
I am here today with anindependent journalist that
reached out after I hit ahot-button topic on a very
popular page.
I didn't realize.
Somebody called Ginger Damon.
Let me introduce you firstbefore I get into it.
Damon Riggs, how are you, sir?
I'm good, you know.

(01:12):
I'm doing wonderful.
So I have put it out there amillion times hey, I'm willing
to have anybody on the showthat's willing to come on the
show and we'll discuss whateverhot stuff you want.
Just so you know I'm not shyingaway from that.
And damien hit me up, said, hey, I'm independent journo, I'd
love to be on, uh, if you'rewilling to have me.
Oh shit, and now we got peoplealready throwing out memberships

(01:34):
.
Constitutional country girl,thank you very much.
We got 10 memberships.
Uh, we're not going to go downeach one.
The only one that I really wantto know is did we have this one
guy, damien?
He has been a part of the showpretty much most of the time and
he has not gotten a membershipyet.
And we've been going for quitea while now and I don't see.

(01:58):
His name is Marine Blood.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I still don't see it.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
And the game is now.
Every time Marine Blood doesn'tget a count gifted to him
because it's random, we have totake a drink.
I like that, so all right.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay, so I do have to say, Tim, you're going to be
disappointed because the gingerwill be here later.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, there will be a different ginger.
Yeah, our ginger.
So so, damien, I'm gonna giveyou the room I want you to one.
Tell us about your background,how people can find you, because
I definitely like elevatingeverybody else's platform and
kind of go into the story, howyou found us and why you wanted
to be on yes, so, um, you know,as he, as you said, my name is

(02:44):
Damien Riggs.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
I'm an independent journalist and a photographer
coming from the world of pressphotography.
Specifically, I've been in thefield for about 10 years, if you
count press photography, and inthe last two years I've been
doing more of the journalisticside of my own.
So in that time I've just kindof been focusing on the main
mission that I have in general,which is kind of bridging
divides and trying to dispelinaccuracies, but in a way that

(03:06):
isn't necessarily withoutanimosity.
So in doing that, I found apost that you had where at first
, my perception was that you hadsome very strong opinions on a
very fair issue regarding apolicing incident where it kind
of did not address the biggerelephant in the room from my

(03:27):
perspective.
So I checked out your page andthen I had seen that you were
somebody who was very fair, veryable to address the angles that
you were able to address.
Many people aren't as far asfairness goes.
So I went okay, this issomebody that I would like to
speak to.
It's someone who hasdisagreements but who is willing
to be open-minded.
So that's pretty much how wegot there and that is something

(03:48):
that I was able to do on myInstagram, which is the
underscore Damien Riggs.
The content that I have can befound on the Curious podcast,
and I also have Damien Riggsproductions as well.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Hell.
Yeah, okay, so you got apodcast as well.
Yes, sir, oh shit, I didn'teven put two and two together.
I told you I did zero research.
Yeah, that's the funnest.
I like to treat it just likeI'm on the job.
When I'm out in the field as acop, I don't know who I'm going
to talk to.
You have to create conversation, and so I think that that is

(04:21):
one of the fucking.
Mr Billfold, I think that's oneof the most fun things about
that Eric's slamming that smokewagon.
I drink smoke wagon on herealmost exclusively.
They're not a sponsor by anymeans, but we've been doing this
.
Hey guys, by the way, aprilmarks our four-year mark.
This is our fourth year running.

(04:42):
Let's celebrate with a littlesip on the old smoke wagon.
My man, he got a whole glass ofwater over there.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I was hoping it couldn't be detected.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right, very cool.
I do not know what Alan's gotgoing on.
Alan's our man, but he's ourJamie, so he is highlighting
your page for us, so hell yeah.
Oh my God, I read that firstthing and thought that said the
roadhead.
I was like hell yeah get yousome.
Hey, I don't want to get pulledover I was like good for you,

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because I ain't had that inforever.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
I keep that for the sky I like that, um, but cool.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Now you guys know where to find him.
My bad, my bad.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
David Edmondson said vodka.
That's what I was going for.
Tim said this is an.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
April Fool's episode.
This is not an April Foodepisode, sir.
This is a regular episode.
I'm not clever enough for allthat.
That causes more work for me.
I ain't trying to do more work,y'all, but the first part of
the show typically is whoeverour special guest is, lay it out

(05:56):
there, bro.
You got questions, you wantasked, you want to do all that
you got me.
Alan will also chime in becausehe's a former cop he recently.
Are you doing the reserve stuffstill, alan?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, I'm still a reserve here in West Texas.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, cool.
And then, um, we got Banning,who's a retired, uh deputy.
He was, uh, in a very ruraltype setting as a as a deputy,
so he's got that perspective.
I'm in a city that's like abouta million to 1.2 million people
, one of the 12 largestdepartments in the nation, so I
got kind of an inner city.
Look, we got Trey, who's notgoing to be on tonight, but Trey

(06:33):
is.
He couldn't get a babysitter.
He's only been a cop threeyears, so he got a very rookie
perspective out in California.
So we got, you know, thatCalifornia style.
Then we have up in New York,kat Clark, who is a cop in New
York.
She's been a cop seven yearsand so you get kind of a female
cop perspective, but isn't arookie.

(06:54):
You know, we, we, we old schoolcops, we kind of consider that
zero to five year mark.
So once you get past that, sowe kind of get in those
different things in therefreeman keys, dang, eric, how
long have you been off?
You already trimmed that shit.
I've only been, uh, I, whatI've been growing in about a
week now, a little over a week.
So, yeah, I'm a fur bearingmammal boys is what it is.

(07:19):
I just I did I got faded uptoday my barber.
He did me right.
My boy, John, Got that freshGot the Tommy.
You know, that's what I'll roll.
Got that fresh hard part goingtoo Haters gonna hate.
But yeah, Alright.
So, Damien, why are you?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
speaking about that, tell me about that shirt there,
boss.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh, you mean this retro rifle shirt that I'm
wearing.
What about you, sir?
What are you wearing?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I, I've got maybe the same thing going on there.
You got a retro rifle shirt too.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
What are the odds?
You know what a company.
No, it's such a great company.
Hey guys, go to retro riflecom,check them out.
Make sure you say two cops, onedonut sent you.
The beauty of their shirts,damien, that you might not know
is their Hawaiian shirts withpop culture, and they always
have hidden guns on them.
Yeah, so if you're a secondamendment guy you would love

(08:11):
wearing.
I'm all about people's secondamendment rights.
So yeah, just a fun shirt, yeahlike anyway, let's get back to
our guest, please.
We haven't let him say shit, so, damien, bring it.
Bro, what do you want to talkabout?

Speaker 5 (08:26):
yeah, so, uh, first I want to say thank you for your
service, everybody who you guyshave mentioned, who was a part
of this, and anybody who's doinggood work out there in the
field, like I do have such adeep appreciation for policing
and as far as, like, thesacrifice, the commitment to the
things that you guys do, uh,when it comes to the angle that
I approach when it comes topolicing, I give all the praise
and I want to make sure that Iget good from the world by, as

(08:48):
you said, even by lifting thevoices that are doing good,
being one who puts a spotlighton these role models, as I see
in you in many cases.
So, when it comes to some ofthe things that I did want to
address, like for the officers,the many, many good officers-
let's do the introduction realquick Banning Sweatland.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
This is Damien.
You weren't here for thisbanning and I know Banning's
trying to eat his food.
Type it Banning you, dummy he'sdoing something anyway.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, we can hear you now.

Speaker 8 (09:22):
What were you saying?
I was saying I got to hearDamien's intro.
I appreciate you being on here,oh, okay, yeah, and Eric, I got
to hear your intro with Retro,which mine is hanging up.
It's going to be for the show.
I'm not wearing it tonight, butI will be wearing it at the
show that I'm down here inMcAllen, texas.

(09:43):
I'm down here in McAllen andthat's what I'm doing.
But, damian, thank you so muchfor being on the show.
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah yeah, it takes balls because you don't know.
You don't know if we're goingto ambush you and it's the same
for us.
That's why I tell people and hewill confirm I did zero
questioning, I didn't tell himanything.
I didn't tell him anything.
I'm wrong.
So anyway, I'm sorry, we cutyou off, damien.
Go ahead, sir.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
No worries, no worries, yeah.
So when it comes to that, likeas somebody who I mean, I feel
like many men, many men ingeneral, get a lot of their
inspiration and aspirations forwhat it is to be a man through
looking at the lens of peoplelike you know, the military and
things of that nature, such anobvious like offshoot would be
the police.
So I look at these people withjust the same level of respect

(10:31):
and reverence.
When it comes to some of thethings that make the military
slightly different from thepolice, it is the level of
ability to hold to accountpeople within your force and to
address certain things even as alower.
So when it comes to the twoparty system in the justice
system, like I do know, you know, when it comes to, like, if you

(10:51):
get pulled over for a DUI,sometimes domestic violence,
things of that nature, when youare a police officer, you do get
these high levels of exception.
And then when you haveconnections to things like an
FOP or when you have a politicalexperience, these things also
kind of provide you like adisconnect from the legal system
and almost a diplomaticimmunity.
So what is the perspective of apolice who do understand

(11:14):
justice and follow through withit and everything that they do
in their field, but don'tnecessarily have the ability or
the willingness to rock the boatin these avenues.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I will tell you from my perspective.
When you work for a gooddepartment, you have zero qualms
about holding another officeraccountable.
Zero, and I'll let Banning getto his part.
But for me, that's where itstarts.
Your department has to be solid.
If it's not solid and I can'tsay where I work, everybody
knows that, but I brag about myspot all the time because they

(11:45):
do.
They've fired, they havecharged, they have disciplined
somebody Every single year thatI've been at this specific
department, 14 years, I've beena cop 18.
But you don't hear about thatusually, because the media
doesn't cover us doing our job.
That's what we're supposed todo.
We're supposed to hold peopleaccountable.

(12:05):
And so when you're, you canonly see as far as your fishbowl
allows, right these people off,or whatever it is.

(12:26):
I'm just like I don'tunderstand how, and I see the
case and I'm like I get mad forother people.
I'm like I don't get that.
They're like well, you don'twant to see it.
No, I, I, it's, it's nothappening where I'm at.
So what do I do?
How do I?
How do I adjust from there?
So to your point, I think itabsolutely.
We should be holding thesepeople accountable for their
actions.
I will say that the unions arenot as strong as people think

(12:47):
they are.
Most of it is meet and conferpowers only, and so what I mean
by that is like anytime you havea new contractor and you're
going to get so many comp hoursthat you're allowed to bank or
you're allowed to do whatever.
That is what a union typicallydoes Like.
In the state of Texas we can'teven have a FOP union.
It's just, it's an association,and they have really no power.

(13:10):
They can make a little argumentfor contracts and things of that
nature, but when you look atNYPD now that is power, that is
a union, and that I don't agreewith.
I think that's too much.
And they're so deeply embeddedbecause that's been the nature
of that beast since the dawn ofits inception.

(13:30):
How do you combat somethinglike that out there?
I don't know.
So I'm not a fan of that, Idon't like that, but I haven't
been on the receiving end ofthose benefits either.
So I do get what you're talkingabout and I'll yield over to
Banny and see what he's got tosay.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
And I hope my window unit air conditioner in this
fine hotel that I'm in is notmessing with the audio quality
with my $100 million camera thatI'm running this evening off
the same one that I was running.
Anyway, so can you guys?
Okay, you can't hear the unit,okay, I just got to no no, I
just hear the unit talking rightnow.
That is Hilton quality.

(14:08):
Oh shit, steve Wallace in thehouse.
What's up, brother?
So in reference to your unions,man, totally with you on that.
We can all go back and look atthe movies, from Cop Town to
whatever in the unions andthat's just movies and people
are like, oh, that's glorified.
No, not all of it.
The unions do do a lot ofthings, and Eric and I are not

(14:34):
an echo chamber.
Like we say in every broadcast.
We don't say rah, rah, rah, allcops, 100%, everybody's.
Amazing.
No, if you're a great cop,we'll hold you to that level.
That's the level that we getsworn in.
Amazing.
No, if you're a great cop,we'll we'll hold you to that
level and that's the level thatwe get.
We get sworn in on um, ifyou're an outstanding cop, we're
going to show you as thisoutstanding cop.
You've got to be thatoutstanding cop.
If you're one that's below that, that, that threshold that

(14:57):
needs to have a badge, we'regoing to stomp you in the ground
, just like anybody else would.
Um, that's, that's way.
Two Cops, one Donut is.
We love good police work.
We love to highlight that If wesee bad police work that's sent
to us, we're going to show thatout there.
We're going to give our opinionon it.
That's what we do and we trulywant to bridge that gap.
But the union stuff, gosh man.

(15:19):
It really upsets me on the jobsthat they get back on officers
that have had too many badrun-ins.
Why keep that type of person inthe job?
And I think Eric will mirrorthat.
I mean, it's not.
You don't have to be a geniusto see that when we're putting
people back in the job thatdon't need to be in the job,

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that's where there's a problem.
I don't have a problem with theassociations that are out there
that they're looking for heyhere's the tax base of the
agency.
We need to get somebody paidmore for their worth at a base
level for officers.
We need that across the country.
You get what you pay for, justlike you do in a Home Depot
employee.
If you're paying somebody fivebucks an hour at Home Depot,

(16:02):
you're going to get a $5 an hourperson that's not willing to
help you.
Law enforcement, I believe, isa little bit different and they
need to pay them for their worth.
Yes, they're jumping in frontof that bullet, so to speak, for
the citizens, but we have topay them for their worth.
Now, if they're worthless, getthem the heck out of Dodge and
I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, mr Billfold brought up a good point.
He said reforming policeculture may well be impossible.
The corruption is baked in.
Eric.
Talk about the cops and thestate attorney general who spent
over.
I think he's trying to say$100,000, not to pay a $1,000
deductible.
So Mr Billfold sent me a video.
I don't have it ready because Ididn't know we were going to
talk about this and I didn'tknow we were going to talk about

(16:41):
this.
But basically, I don't know ifit was a trooper or whatever,
but he's running radar and hegoes to pull out onto the
roadway and clips another car onaccident.
It wasn't, as you know, hedidn't mean to do that, for

(17:06):
whatever reason.
The department is fighting,paying that thousand dollar
deductible for that person thatthey clearly were at fault for
doing, and the amount of moneythat, the amount of money they
are spending in just defendingand arguing that is ridiculous.
Now I don't know.
I can't say that they'respending $100,000 to defend it.
I don't think that's true.
But I do get what he's saying.
Even if you book that cityattorney for three hours to look
over the work, that's well overthe amount that that deductible

(17:28):
would have been anyway and youwere clearly at fucking fault.
Do the right thing.
It's not that hard.
So I get where these guys getfrustrated.
Like you were at fault.
Me as the cop.
I will tell you a hundredpercent.
If I learned that my departmentwasn't going to pay for the
mistake that I made in knowingthat I fucked up a civilian's
car, a citizen that wascompletely innocent and they had

(17:51):
$1,000 deductible, well, guesswhat?
Even though it's not my job andI don't need to do it, I'm
probably going to pony up $1,000because I know in my heart that
I was wrong.
I screwed up.
It wasn't intentional, it waswhat you call an accident, and
it's okay to make accidents,it's.
You can be forgiven foraccidents, that's fine.
But do the right thing, youknow.

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So, in that, into what mrbillfold's talking about, like
it's into your point, damien,like it's fucking bullshit, like
it's not that hard.
Do the right thing.
And then what sucks is being acop sometimes that we really
don't talk about.
We're not at the table when thecity attorneys or when the
police unions or whatever aretrying to get involved.

(18:34):
We're not even usually thereand our opinion isn't asked.
It doesn't matter If thedepartment decides to fight
something like what do you doLike you're not even involved?
Where do we go from there?
That's the question.
People in the comments keep themcoming.
If you've got questions forDamien, throw them up there.

(18:54):
Alan, try to hit those up bestyou can.
I want to make sure Alan's ableto answer everything that he's
able to do.
Freeman Keys.
I love this channel.
The viewers ask and the hostsand the guests speak on it.
We all need this.
I like that.
Thank you, buddy, appreciatethat.
Uh, people don't know isfreeman's my cousin?
So I made him say that.
No, I'm just joking, he's not.
I don't even know who he is.

(19:14):
I just like we're talking someshit.
So, um, but yeah, uh, let's seehere.
Mr bill fold continued.
He said they claimed qualifiedimmunity even though the officer
violated a traffic law.
It was over $100,000.
Eric, you do not understand howmany that's a big word.
Interlocutory, I'm just a cop,Mr Belfold, I can't read that

(19:37):
word.
Appeals, qualified immunitycases are afforded.
I didn't realize that.
I don't even know how you wouldclaim qualified immunity.
It's a car accident, so I don'tknow.
I disagree with it, mr Belford.
I think they should be ponyingup the money.
I don't think qualifiedimmunity should even be a part
of that Shouldn't even be aquestion.
It has nothing to do withanything.

(19:58):
You just fucked up, fix it.
It's really it.
Deputy Acorn Magdump one of myfavorite names, uh, eric banning
, do you feel like a tightrelationship with officers, da's
and judges imbalances thesystem?
Okay, this is a mis-fuckingconception.
I have zero relationship withprosecutors.
Most of the time I'm pissed offat them because they've figured

(20:18):
out a way to dumb down my casethat I built.
That was my experience as adetective.
I was more irritated irritatedwith prosecutors than I was
friends with them.
We're not friends.
I especially am not friendswith judges.
I do have one friend that's ajudge and that had nothing to do
with our work relationship.
So, freeman Keyes, eric Cousin,eric, what up cuz?

(20:41):
So yeah, I don't see arelationship with prosecutors
like people think I.
Actually it's more of alove-hate relationship, like
when they prosecute a case.
I put a lot of work into hellyeah.
But then when they dumb down acase, I feel like I put a lot of
work into, like there reallyisn't a relationship like you
guys think, at least not whereI'm at Banning.

(21:02):
What has been your experience?

Speaker 8 (21:05):
So I was in a larger agency before I was at my last
one in the Dallas-Fort Wortharea, and I knew some judges, I
knew some prosecutors and I'veeven, as far as you know, 10
years ago, ran in a bar into oneof our prosecutors.
And here's the equalness that Isaw as I submitted a narcotics

(21:28):
case about 12 years ago, andthat entry level or that
admitting prosecutor that I hadthat drink with, referred that
certain case to another onebecause we did have that.
And that's what I call truejustice.
I mean, they don't even want tolook at it because they're like
you know what?
I had a drink with that guy onmy weekend and and I see he's

(21:48):
the submitting officer I'm gonna, I'm gonna give this to
somebody else in the office andthat's the way it should be.
Now if you see somebody golfingand going to the movies and
walking out of Red Lobster andyou know, maybe there's
something that needs to belooked at there.
This was literally one drink Ihad with the guy.
I recognized him.
I said hey, and we never had acase together.

(22:10):
I just I knew he worked for theprosecutor's office and we
spoke about some things.
Then I submitted a case I knewhe was the entry-level person
that brought it in, great guy,very smart and then he took my
case and he gave it to the otherperson and that's the way it
should should be.
I believe you know, wheneverybody you know goes back to
the movies that we see 80s, 90s,2000s, to where we see the
balancing of the justice system,and that's the way it should be

(22:34):
Now, is that the way it isacross the country?
No, I haven't worked iteverywhere.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh, and we lost Payne .
Oh, and he's back.
I got it.
There we go.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
Sorry about that, guys.
I hope you got some of thatanyway.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
We did.
I think we got almost all of itGoing to the chat real quick.
Tim was talking to Damien andhe said Us chat hold nothing
back.
We tear these boys apart andTCOD is there to be accountable.
They are top notch.
Thank you, tim, appreciatethese boys apart and tcod is
there to be accountable.

(23:11):
They are top notch.
Thank you, tim.
Appreciate that, brother.
Uh, andy fletcher backed him up.
Um, andy fletcher tears us up.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Oh my god, he rips us apart sometimes man um, but
always I'll be a little, alwaysgood always good um points, you
know.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Uh, sometimes we literally I'm like I don't have,
I don.
I don't know how to talk.
I don't know how to sayanything to what you just said.
Sorry, interlocutory.
Ah, thank you my guys.
They look out for me.
I appreciate it.
I'm dumb.
Shit.
Mr Billfold said making thefolks seeking justice for a

(23:43):
violation have to re-argue tofight qualified immunity, even
when it is denied.
It gets instant appeal.
Yeah, and it's such bullshit.
I'm with you on this, mrBelfort.
That's horseshit and this ispart of the thing that I think
with.
Qualified immunity needs to havea common sense policy part to
it.
Like qualified immunity I willput this out there is fucked up.

(24:03):
It doesn't work properly.
It needs to be tweaked.
I don't agree with abolishingit.
I don't think that's the rightmove and I've said that several
times on here.
It gets people upset, but I dothink it needs to be tweaked.
I do think that it has itsfaults for sure, and this is a
perfect example when it does,and we have actually shared an
example where most of ouraudience agreed that, okay, this

(24:25):
makes sense why they havequalified immunity.
So if we can agree that there'skind of a need for it, then
let's tweak it, let's figure outhow to fix it.
So you don't know this, damien,but we plan to have a really
big episode on qualifiedimmunity.
We're trying to get a reallygood pro person that knows what
the fuck they're talking about,because I'm not that guy.
I kind of know what it does.
I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not in the courts all thetime trying to fight the law.

(24:50):
That's not my job.
I want somebody that knows whatthey're talking about, but I
also want somebody that can putup a great counter.
I think we've got the peopleworked out.
We're just trying to get a timewhere everybody can do their
thing and then the audience isgoing to fucking go to town on
that.
So looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
So did we answer your question, sir?

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I would love to your next question.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, and so I have a thing to go based on that
.
But before I do to touch on thequalified immunity part, like
that goes to some of the thingsthat I feel the two, just two
part justice system kind ofserves, which is the ability to
go I can throw the book at oneperson for the same crime or a
lesser crime and then giveclemency to somebody for
something so unfathomably worse.

(25:33):
So I feel like that is like thesame play that they would do,
whether it's for wealth, whetherit's for other angles, to be
able to go.
There is a loophole, even if itisn't necessarily to the word,
where I can get my person out,but also I can say that it's not
against the word with a betterlawyer, and then that same exact
loophole is now not beinghonored.
So, like precedents and thingsof that nature is something that

(25:55):
aren't always honored.
But the thing that I wonder isalmost more than police unions I
forget the exact term, but ifI'm not mistaken, like mistaken
the jury for police.
Let me know, if I'm, if it'sthe jury or another angle of the
court, but if I'm not mistakenit's by ex-police or something
of that nature.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'm sorry, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
This has been a while .
What are you asking?
Yes, so like, when it comes tothe prosecutorial part with
policing, there are, there's acouncil or there is, uh, the use
of ex police uh, in order tokind of help and aid in the
decision making.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
in that, I don't know , I, I honestly, I I should have
pulled the term yeah, I'm notsure I, I've never faced that
personally.
Um, thank god um but, no, I Ihonestly don't know the answer
to that.
If that's true, that would beinteresting.
You know, it makes me wonder ifthat Obviously citizens aren't

(26:52):
afforded that same thing.
But citizens aren't out theredoing the same thing that cops
are doing either.
The likelihood of an officerputting himself into a position
that he's going to have toviolate what would be against
the law for normal citizens isan everyday occurrence.
A citizen can't just go up andseize somebody, seize their

(27:13):
property, seize their person,where a cop is granted that
authority.
So there obviously has to be adifference.
You can't judge them the sameexact way you would a regular
civilian, because the regularcivilian doesn't have that same
power.
I mean, I hate, we're notsugarcoating it.
It's a power Like cops need tobe well aware of it and I think

(27:37):
a lot of times they get so usedto having that power that the
moment it's checked at all,somebody bucks back at it at all
, and especially like FirstAmendment auditors, because they
know what the fuck they'retalking about.
Cops' egos come into playimmediately and they don't know
what to do and it's like bro,you need to, you need to step
back and realize that you knowthere's people that don't just

(28:01):
automatically bow down becauseyou're wearing a badge and so,
yeah, it's not really answeringyour question, because I don't
know, I don't know the answer toit, but um oh, that's, that's
actually on me.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
I should have brought the exact uh term and we could
have explored that a little bit.
I will consider that in thefuture.
But when it comes to like kindof addressing that exact point
that you were making as far aslike the ego, specifically with
that example, also with thecourts, and how they will
actually go to the point ofcosting themselves in order to
attain some level of protectingof your pride, or what have you

(28:36):
obtain some level of protectingof your pride or what have you
like when it comes to thesethings, you already know, I'm
sure, the amount of people whopretend to be an officer because
of the ego trip that it givesyou and like that, that uh fake
bad person who pulls you overwhen they've actually never been
in the force, so on and soforth.
Uh stolen, so to speak, likewhen these people do get the
actual approval to be put in theforce, or when they, the people
, proven to be bad and inept,instead of being fired, what

(28:58):
they typically do is they sendthem to another district.
When these things are occurring, what can be done in order to
kind of alleviate either thecontinuation of this or to kind
of hold to account when people,let's say, they have these
horrible records, that takes youto actually be able to have a
horrible incident before youlook through it all.
Or where body cams aren't evenbeing used in the court hearing,

(29:20):
where, if anytime there's acamera, I don't understand where
you're not using it.
So can you elaborate?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
on that.
I want to get to Mr Belfold'spoint, because this is something
that I wasn't aware of.
He actually taught me this, socredit to Mr Belfold.
He said you cannot have a setof facts in a case for precedent
if the fucking case never getsto trial, and he's a hundred
percent right.
And what we have learned fromthat is that these cases where
I'm sitting there I'm like man,just go to go to court, like

(29:47):
you've got it in the bag, likeit is clearly, and then what I'm
learning is when these courtcases end up getting pressed
through, they're not goinganywhere.
It's fucking crazy.
And to like what Mr Belfold'ssaying is like it never gets to
trial and I don't know why.
I don't understand why.
I don't know enough about it.
So it's my own ignorance forsure, but he definitely has a

(30:11):
point.
But to your point and to yourquestion, one of the things that
we can do to start fixing thisbullshit with these cops that um
screw up and have these casesis a national database.
Why do he looks frozen.
I want to make sure we didn'tlose him before I start giving a
full answer, is he?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
I just got back.
I've reconnected.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know if you can hear me now, oh, okay I can
hear you now.
Okay, I didn't want to, didn'twant to go into a deep answer,
and then you'd be like not thereso the point I was getting to
is yeah, um with uh I.
I think we should be havingnational databases.
If a cop is involved in aninvestigation, even if he's

(30:50):
found innocent of that, that'sfine.
Like that's cool, great, youfound innocent of it.
But let's have a.
Like that's cool, great, you'refound innocent of it.
But let's have a nationaldatabase that shows these
officers the investigations thatthey had.
Here's all the proof, you know.
And now, especially with bodycameras out there, like, my body
cam has saved me every singletime that I've had false
complaints on myself.
So I would love for there to bea national database that shows

(31:13):
oh, levine was investigated,here is the findings and here's
the body cam that backed it up.
This is where they disproved it.
So then, if anybody tries topull any bullshit later on down
the line, or I decide to leavethat department and go to
another one or whatever it is,they can look and be like oh,
this dude's on the up and up andlook here, the national
database actually supports whathe was doing, versus an officer

(31:35):
that fucks up and resigns beforeany investigation gets down and
dirty and there's no chargesactually presented like no, you
need to be put in a database.
You resigned in lieu of aninvestigation and that needs to
be known, because me I know as adepartment that is a's a shady
sign.
I don't even want to risk it.

(31:56):
I'm not hiring you.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Let me add to that, eric, on the resignation stuff,
if you don't mind.
Yes sir.
So the accredited agencies andI'm speaking for Texas, new
Mexico and Oklahoma because I'velooked into this If you're an
accredited agency and you're apeace officer under their
tutelage, if you will, they'reholding your commission.
If you are under aninvestigation and it has

(32:20):
anything criminal, in the lightto why that investigation is,
they will not allow you toresign.
They will hold you on there.
You get a notice that the cityattorney, county attorney,
whoever holds that, will giveyou the notice.
You cannot resign until thisinvestigation is over, due to it
being criminal and it alsocomes from the DA investigators.

(32:42):
So there, there, are some.
You know some people or a lot ofpeople that get away from it
Small agencies that don't havethat, but a lot of them are
changing that tune and a lot ofthat changed in 2019, 2020
during COVID from the stuff thatI was looking through in Austin
and also hearing from it fromaround the state.
So I'm glad that that's goinginto effect where if they're

(33:02):
under a criminal investigation,they will hold them to that
employment.
They can say they quit, theycan turn in all their stuff, but
if they're under aninvestigation it's got criminal
ties to it.
They're going to hold themthere.
And if there is criminal stuff,they're going to issue a
warrant.
If they get probable cause onit, then they're going to go
arrest them.
More than likely they're goingto get booked into a county
adjacent to and a lot of timesthose cases will be held.

(33:26):
If this person had a lot ofcases going to, that justice
system will be held in thatcounty adjacent for people that
may not know those people andthey can bring in a kind of a
fresh set of eyes, if that makessense, and I'll keep it at that
.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, I want to get to Tim's comment here.
He said wait, don't they havethe Brady list for that?
What I've learned about theBrady list is the Brady list is
is is not national.
The Brady list is actually verypolitical and it's very it's by
district, it's by district,yeah, guys.
So when you see somebody on thebrady list, that can be some

(34:01):
bullshit.
I want you guys to know that itcan be some political bullshit
or it can be completely legit.
So, um, I I used to think thebrady list was like that's
exactly what you're thinkingabout, that's the national
database for shitty cops, nottrue?
There's been some railroadedcops that have been put and it's

(34:23):
very hard to get taken off ofthat list because now you're
getting a district to admit theywere wrong On that.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Brady list, just so people are aware.
It's just not like threedistrict attorneys and their
investigators sitting on thoselists.
You'll have former policeofficers, current police
officers, maybe some formerjudges current judges that are
in a different county and thatcomprises of the people that are
on that list and the district,being their own governing body,

(34:57):
can decide who's going to be onthat Brady list council, if you
will.
A lot of people don't realizethat.
So I believe there needs to bemore structure.
You know I'm not for governmentcoming in and doing different
things, but there needs to bestructure on these lists, on the
type of folks that are on there, so we can determine who's good
, who's not and get rid of thefunky people that are out there.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Somebody on LinkedIn said that the National Law
Enforcement AccountabilityDatabase I never heard of that
before a federal registrytracking misconduct by federal
law enforcement officers oh,it's federal officers Was
created in 2022 by Biden and wasshut down by President Trump in
2025.
Okay, Well, okay, I wasactually going to.

(35:35):
That was actually actually gonnabe the next point that I made,
but please continue I was gonnasay I, honestly, I yes, federal
police is a thing and it needsto be noticed, but that's not
the, that's not the everydaything that y'all deal with.
You're dealing with us, you'redealing with sheriffs, state
troopers and, uh, local,municipal, municipal police.

(35:56):
So I don't give a shit aboutthe federal cops at all.
Um, so that database can go.
I want it for, I want it for us, for the local cops, local
state um and your sheriff'sdepartments.
That's who you guys are seeingon the day-to-day.
So that's's where we need adatabase.
For sure.
I don't if you're arguingagainst it.

(36:18):
I would really love to hearwhat the argument against that
would be.
I would really like to hearthat.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
And I do.
Yes, I do want to mentionbecause that is kind of a thing
I was going to expand upon whenwe branches on the
accountability thing I wasdiscussing, which is that I did
hear that there was a couple ofdifferent situations where
databases of misconduct werebeing wiped.
That may be what it's referringto.
I didn't actually get to looktoo too much into it beyond that
.
But, that being said, when youtalk about skating

(36:44):
accountability like these aresome of the more extreme
versions it's not just trying todeny but like actually erase
the efforts of certain things.
But to go to the highest form ofthis, I'm not too sure if you
guys know about like there'sactually things like poppers
graves that will be behindprisons and things like a Hyde's
County is probably the biggestknown example where there's over
200 people.

(37:05):
So like these are people likeof officer hit somebody and
killed them, took the body,hides.
It just is a missing person andlater this is discovered as a
poppers grave.
I guess you haven't heard of it, but these are the ultimate, I
would say, as far as they havean accountability.
And this is tied to thingsrelating to black culture,
because this is historicallythings that have been.
It's probably more associatedwith these people than it is

(37:26):
just like any regular civilian.
If I'm being honest, okay but,but like and if that, to branch
on that, if I'm not mistaken,the very the inability to, I'm
sorry, what is it?
Immunity?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Qualified immunity.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Qualified immunity.
If I'm not mistaken, thatitself came out in 1967, which
would have been the year thatintegration would have been
officially established, whereyou wouldn't necessarily be able
to do certain things yourself,necessarily be able to do
certain things yourself, andwhere it did become more popular
to actually call the police tohave them handle things like the
sundown towns and all theseother factors, instead of
putting your hands into your own.
So it's a I, because I know alot about these, this topic

(38:03):
specifically.
Yeah, okay, there's a lot ofcorollary in that and I do
wonder when they tied to thepopper graves and the people
that you see like, um, there'stwo twins who have been found in
georgia in the mountains, let'ssay with the hangman's.
Then they declared it a suicide.
These guys were in an airport,they had no car.
There's been a bunch of caseslike that.
I could tell you probably 50within the last 10 years.

(38:25):
These popper graves, thesethings.
What would you say about the?
Maybe the police don't knowabout this in mass?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I've never heard of it.
No, I've never heard of it.
No, I've never heard of that.
So you're actually enlighteningme right now.
Um, no, I never heard of that,and uh heinz county.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
If you, if um, maybe eric can pull up something on
that heinz county uh, heinzcounty is one of the biggest.
I think it's 217 poppers graveswere found there, and then they
have the case, or they have theexplanations for why it started
in 2016 to 2024, so I think itwas even within a very short
period of time.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Is this why you were asking about departments that
don't wear body cameras?

Speaker 5 (39:03):
That, but why they aren't pulled up.
There's actually a specificcase that I had seen recently
where a white person who and Isay that, just because there is
a difference in like the careI'm not saying this in any
negative, like racialconnotations there is a
difference in like, uh, the careI'm not saying this in any
negative, like racialconnotations, but, that being
said, uh, he was pulled over for, literally, I think, running a
red light or a stop sign okay,and the police officer came and

(39:24):
pulled him over.
He got like a.
He was like I have my rights, I, so on and so forth.
He tries to arrest him.
He like kind of gives like somesort of a fight to it and then
the cop ends up like saying he'strying to pull his gun, and
then he gets to the point wherehe's running the cop, the
officer shoots him and he diesand he the officer actually goes
without being penalized becausethey didn't look at the footage

(39:44):
and they trusted the officer inthe.
He said it was uh, he, um,disobeyed the order, something
to that degree so they neverlooked at the body cam footage
yeah, and there's a millioncases where they don't look at
the body cam footage and itcomes out later.
But the fact that there'sevidence that does not get
admitted, that should be themost obvious of evidence to
utilize even just CCTV.

(40:04):
These things are often not doneand then after the case gets
settled, then you get to get tosee the stuff.
So these are the things where Ialmost want to apply a Freedom
of Information Act request totry to get more information.
But I do want to apply aFreedom of Information Act
request to try to get moreinformation, but I do want to
ask the officers on the groundwhat they know about this.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh shit, I didn't.
I wasn't aware that that was athing I would assume.
And this is me again.
This is one of my fatal flaws.
Everybody, I'm an optimisticperson.
I would assume that the courtswould want to see any and all
evidence that's available,especially body cam footage.
Why are you not using that?
How is that being suppressed?

(40:39):
That's what I would want toknow.
So if you're suppressing bodycam video and you're not, the
defense, like you know, I couldsee a defense trying to.
You know, suppress, yeah, youdon't want anything going
against your client, but thestate should absolutely be
pushing for body cam footageBanning.
You got anything?

Speaker 8 (40:58):
No, I mean that's just on evidentiary stuff coming
to the case.
You know the pre-trial, if youwill, when you come to it and
everybody from the defense.
The prosecution is allintroducing evidence and I've
seen some things very fewsuppressed and sometimes the
body camera footage and thestuff that I've seen suppressed

(41:20):
was when an ambulance arrivesand the people on the ambulance
are speaking on medicalterminology based on one of the
victims on the scene and they'llsuppress that based off a HIPAA
.
So I understand that.
But those of you that have beenwatching this show, eric and I,
we don't mute our body cameraswhen we're on a call.

(41:40):
We absolutely you know, and ifI say something screwed up it's
going to be caught on bodycamera because I don't mute it.
I wouldn't allow my guys tomute it.
It's you know.
You can explain stuff in a trialon hey.
Why did you say hey?
That retard that broke theflare line must be intoxicated.
And let's, let's get hisinformation out to the next

(42:01):
County, cause we couldn't stophim coming through this fatality
accident.
They would say why did you usethe terminology retard?
It's not because you know it's,it's, it's a rate.
It's a quick statement, cause Iwas born in the eighties and
we've got our cones up, we'vegot our flyers up, we got our
flashlights on like hey, andit's not a.
You know, this person isactually in that state of mind

(42:25):
it's.
You're seeing all these flashinglights and you went through our
body cameras and I say thatbecause that was actually a case
that I went to.
They looked at three weekssuppressing one sentence from an
officer and said you know, I'mnot the district attorney, I'm
not the judge, I'm not the jury.
Allow it to play.
Let's clear that in thecourtroom.
You know if somebody takesoffense to that, that's great.
That officer can be terminatedor whatever based on that
comment.

(42:45):
Let's, let's, let's keep thisrolling because the suspect
doesn't deserve that, thevictims don't deserve that.
And let's, let's go and andI've seen, I've seen the wills
of justice spend three weeks onone sentence and that's bs.
I don't think our tax dollarsneed to pay for something like
that.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Allow it to roll in the courtroom and go on yeah,
and, if I can like this, this isactually none that I'm thinking
about, if I'm not mistaken, thevery case that we were able to
meet each other on, uh, theydidn't show the beginning of
that interaction, if I'm notmistaken.
So I didn.
So I've only seen this in thecomment.
I like to do my own vetting toactually make sure these things
are the case.
But it was stated that they hadto actually release the rest of

(43:21):
the footage afterward to seehow that interaction began.
To make sure he actually didn'tstate, because essentially the
officer claimed that he hadyelled a command and then when
you see the footage, it was thecommand to the tackle, with no
time to respond, and they hadkind of stated it as if he
pulled over, he had his lightson, he brought him to that point
and he was like pulled inbackwards where you wouldn't be

(43:41):
able to, so on and so forth.
So like that very thing that wemet on is in a case where the
body cam footage or the carfootage would have you was not
utilizing its fullest, whichattributed to the ruling, if I
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Sorry One.
I want to give a shout-out toHarrison Brock.
He just threw out 10memberships.
Thank you very much, brothers.
A bunch of people that gotthose, not a lot of people that
I see talk on here a whole lotBrian P maybe, and Nighthawk.
So shout-out to those guys,congratulations.
But you should be thankingHarrison Brock for throwing

(44:15):
those out there.
Um, somebody said mag dump.
I always like what mag dump hasto say.
Uh, he said country girl, ahundred percent, or whatever
that number is, happens and itshould never happen.
I didn't see what she said.
Oh, here it is.
I've seen body warm camerasmuted constantly, especially
when they're trying to come upwith some BS charges.
Again, I don't think that weshould be muting body cameras.

(44:42):
That's not our job.
Our job is to do police workand let the people that deal
with the Freedom of InformationAct stuff go back and redact
whatever they need to redact.
So I'm not a fan of mutinganything.
I will cop-splain a little bitor defend Sometimes these guys.
They do mute their cameras orwhatever because they're
legitimately they're trying toprotect some HIPAA or some

(45:02):
juvenile or they realize thatthey're about to say some
bullshit jokes that have nothingto do with what they're dealing
with and they'll mute them forthose reasons.
I don't agree with them.
I'm just letting you guys know.
But it isn't because they'redealing with um and they'll mute
them for those reasons.
I don't agree with them.
I'm just letting you guys know.
But it isn't because they'regoing to come up with a bullshit
charge, necessarily.
I just want you to guys, I wantyou guys to hear it from me um,
so there's a whole list ofreasons why people do it, but I

(45:26):
don't agree with it.
You should not be muting yourbody camera.
I'm throwing that out there.
So um cops will suppress bodycamera videos for a variety of
reasons, none of which can bedisproven True Radio chatter or
sensitive nature, sensitiveinformation, ongoing
investigation.
Yeah, they'll come up with awhole bunch of shit and most of
the time it's nothing.
They've ever been trained.

(45:47):
It's because another officerdid it, said it, and they just
fucking.
Oh well, he said it and he'sbeen on longer than me, so now
I'll do it.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
And if I could expand on that, like I have
connections with many officersand things like that, I'm
somebody who I I give so muchpraise and appreciation.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I love to you know, to give these people the glory
that they deserve well in in thegreat words of some of our
followers don't be a bootlickerhey, as you see, I I will state
my clearances when there's abreach of boundary but yeah when
it comes to these things, likeI would say even like an
enormous amount people dounderestimate or like would put
too much shame to this.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
But like college the I mean, um, police officers, the
military is very college boyishenergy.
There's a lot of like hoorahjokes and like funny you got
banning going.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
He's a marine.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yes yes, so like it's the levity that keeps you from
crying, so to speak, on thelighter side, and then on the
other side it's like we are just, we aren't weak-minded, so
we're not getting offended bythese things.
Like I'm somebody who grew uplike I like dark jokes, I know
intent, we know like it's not aproblem to just under
understanding.
Intent is always very clear andI don't think anybody lacks
that if they understand.

(46:56):
But to kind of expand almost ona previous thing before I
forget, is when it comes tothese things that I was
describing on the worst case, Iknow that you might not have
heard about the popper gravesand things of that nature Do you
know about the many cases where, like the court, well, actually
that very twin example I gaveis another one where the coroner
kind of whether it's workingwith the officers or just kind

(47:16):
of this, that you know, Iscratch your back, you scratch
mine Like, for instance, inGeorge Floyd, the first
coroner's exam actually statedthat he had, he died of a
medical like from drug overdose.
And then you get a proper examand they get the truth.
Those kids, it was a quicklydecided it was a suicide, it was
almost impossible.
They didn't take any time tolook at the case.

(47:37):
Hundreds of those examples.
Completely Like David, therewas a teenager in a in a hotel
where he was just executed bythis officer horrendously
Caucasian guy.
Great kid Didn't do anythingbad, it was completely innocent
crying at the time.
So there's many times where thecoroner will give these rulings
that are absolutely absurd andthen you need a third party to
get the truth.
That's different from thepoppers graves and the complete

(48:00):
lack of accountability, but it'sthe allowing the system to go
through kind of like how thejudicial system will do.
Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 8 (48:07):
let me.
Let me add to that real quick.
So you have you have cornersacross the country and then you
have uh examiners and these aretwo so far apart and
unfortunately, in some of thesestates across the country you
have a coroner, and a lot oftimes these are elected or
placed and a coroner may noteven have a medical degree.

(48:29):
And that's what scares the crapout of me when it comes to a
law enforcement investigation,scares the crap out of me when
it comes to a law enforcementinvestigation.
And then you have uh in inTexas, if they're dealing with a
deceased body, um, you have amedical examiner, and a medical
examiner is going to be anactual MD or medical doctor.
So there's two, two big uhthought trails on that and I do

(48:51):
have a problem uh with and fromthe movies that we see, et
cetera, and then some of thestories that we see.
So I could see some possibleproblems you're going to have
with a corner.
That's like grabbing your guyat Walmart that say welcome to
Walmart, not saying that they'rea great, great person, but
throwing them in a cornerposition with a 60 to 90 day

(49:12):
class before they go into that,with a 60 to 90-day class before
they go into that.
Same with lower judgeships thatare coming out on the municipal
and county level.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
So that is a big difference a coroner versus
medical examiner across thecountry.
I want to address Freeman'spoint here.
He said we pay for their rate,we pay for their car, we pay for
their cameras, we pay for theirediting, we pay for absolutely
everything, but they are allowedto block us from seeing what
actually happened.
Most of the time I don't evenknow that it's an actual police
officer that's blocking anythingevery place.

(49:51):
I know that there's a setguideline that they go and
they'll read down it Okay, thisneeds to be redacted.
So any child photos?
So they need to be blurred out.
Any child information.
There's clear boundaries andit's all set and it should be.
That's where your Freedom ofInformation Act will come in

(50:11):
handy.
Okay, what are the things theyare not allowed to show at this
department?
Boom, okay.
Okay, now that all makes sense.
So the moment they blocksomething out that it's not on
that list, that's when you startasking questions why the fuck
didn't you show this?
Oh, now we can start exposingcorruption, because if you're
blocking shit out that doesn'tneed to be blocked out.
I need to know and they need tojustify every single block out

(50:33):
that they do.
Somebody had mentioned earlier,when we were talking about the
National Registry database thingthat some departments keep
track of things, some don't.
I think, if we are going toattack anything on policing
itself, to improve policing I'malways trying to improve
policing guys so if we canimprove it, I think that's where

(50:53):
the focus needs to be.
Don't worry about body campolicies and all of that stuff.
Don't worry about anything else.
Let's get that nationalregistry going first.
Let's hold.
I don't want these shitheadcops.
Look at the dude that shot poorSonia Massey.
That motherfucker should havenever been a cop to begin with
and he goes to six differentdepartments in what a year or

(51:15):
two.
And then we watched that videoon here.
We uh, damien, you don't knowthis, but we watched that raw
like we didn't know what thefootage showed, um, and we had a
reaction and me and banningwere fucking.

Speaker 8 (51:27):
I actually lost sleep on that and I've seen a lot of
things in my time and, uh, Ilost some sleep.
I've lost some sleep over quitea few of the stuff that we see,
uh, not knowing that that someof that stuff went on, but
that's.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
That's messed up, man , yeah yeah, I guess, because I
really do think that it might beworth.
There's that specific hotelvideo that I was showing you.
Actually is something that'sprobably the worst that I've
seen is it the one where thekid's begging?
Yeah, and the guy has apunisher.
Uh, yes, yes, I've seen thatone.
Yes, when you started talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I know this case.
I know what he's talking about.
Yeah, that, oh my god he'splaying.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
He's playing a hot potato yeah, that and that the
guy, the kid, did not have a gun.
It was, I think it was calledbecause they thought he had a
gun and even if he did, he didnot when he was physically out
in the hallway, that is such aheartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I mean gut-wrenching video.
That is such a gut-wrenchingvideo, alan.
If you get a chance, if you canlook up behind the scenes but
actually pull that video up,we'll show that shit that
motherfucker needs to fry.
There is absolutely zero reasonfor all of that shit that I saw
in that video.
It pissed me off so bad.
You know what one he's talkingabout Banning.

(52:38):
I think we actually watched it.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
Man.
We've seen so many, I'd like tosee it again, so I can say, yes
, I did.
This is what I felt on theinitial.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
However, let's watch it Daniel Shaver, that's right
yeah there we go.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
I knew it was Daniel.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
yes, Freeman said also eric, we need you to be
every cop.
I wish you could train everycop in the earth.
Don't put that evil on me, bro.
Uh, you know, what's funnyabout policing and training too,
guys, is what works in whereI'm at isn't going to work in
california.
What works in california ain'tgonna work in in New York City.

(53:14):
So it's weird.
So I try to tell people.
I'm like look, I appreciatesome of the stuff that you guys
say to me to inflate my ego.
I try to keep myself humble.
Oh, you, son of a bitch, youneed to mute.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
That reminds me.
There was a quote that I wantedto say earlier when you
mentioned that topic, which islike this this is kind of you
are kind of like a little bit ofthe epitome of that.
But Lincoln had a time wherehis general actually like he
could have had an opportunity totake out Robert E Lee and take
kind of end the war at that time, and then he failed to do so
and that was like a moment wherehe really was kind of upset at

(53:53):
the general.
But he, instead of writing this, he wrote a letter and then did
not send it to the generalbecause he pretty much learned
from the reserve himself.
He critiqued somebody and theydrew, made him do a duel.
So he was like I'm nevercritiquing anybody again.
But, that being said, like whenhe went and he decided not to
do so, he actually um, kind ofstated the idea that when he was

(54:14):
reframing it he was going.
Ok, you know what, as much as Ido feel that this was this
horrible loss, I, sitting in mycomfortable desk, do not know
what it would have been like ifI had seen all the blood that I
had seen in Gettysburg,gettysburg that day, I don't
know.
So on and so forth.
So like the idea of being ableto go, and that's what I do,
even in times, even some slightdisgusting cases when it gets
bad.

(54:34):
I'm not accepting it regardless, but like when you go, okay, I
don't know what it's like tothink that your life might
potentially be on the line, andhow you would act in a split
second moment where you have notime to consider.
And that goes to the point oflike what level of training?
Or like not training in thebeginning, but reiterating and
kind of assuring the quality ofmind and discipline in that time

(54:59):
.
Because I know the military isvery good at this and if you're
borrowing from the military, itshould be simple you know you
don't go past the mission, youdon't escalate if you're not
supposed to escalate and youknow how to stay within your
bounds.
Is that something that'simpossible with the police, or
do they just give more groundsand flexibility in general?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Banning.
You got that one.

Speaker 8 (55:19):
No, mine keeps muting and it's my connection, so I
only heard about a third of it.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
OK, clarify that a little bit for me, sir, if you
can.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Yeah, so.
So to sum up the quote as quickas possible, you don't know
what you're dealing with if youhaven't been physically in that
environment with those factorsin place.
So it's one thing to I'm notsomebody who's critiquing
heavily any decision, althoughthere are times where, when
decisions are made, if I'm beinghonest, I'm kind of forgetting

(55:50):
the question.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Okay, if we're going to be transparent, I'm also
listening to you, but trying topay attention to comments so I
was a little distracted.
I was hoping benny could pickup, so we're all fucking.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
I apologize, it's a smokeway, uh well, I, I really
just wanted to get the quote outoriginally and just kind of say
that, when it comes to that,like, hold your opinion, like I
do, yeah, stand by that.
Um, it's just the idea of whenit comes to accountability, like
, what is the flex?
Oh yeah, that's so.
The military knows how to kindof create these restraints where

(56:23):
, even though emotions are highand like, and you can only act
in a split second, they are verygood at following through,
whether it's just the intensityand duration of the training, or
whether it's the reiteration orunderstanding of the structure,
or is it just straight up.
There's just like kind of morewild west nature around what you
can do as a police officer.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
So in the military and now you got to understand,
I'm a military cop for the airforce, I'm security forces, so
I've got both perspectives.
In the military you have it's,it's a, it's the same set of
standards across the board.
But in policing you've got18,000, plus different criminal

(57:01):
justice systems.
So that's something to consider.
That is insane.
You've got, you know, 750,000cops.
That all will divide it up, youknow, because the average
police department's like lessthan 10 officers.
I think that's the, I thinkthat's like the.

(57:22):
80% of them was like less than10 officers or 20 officers.
So you've got all thesedifferent departments that are
receiving different training.
They're not even there's noteven a standardized way of
training.
So here we are looking at themilitary, which has a standard,
so easy, it's the same acrossthe board.
The way that the cop is trainedthat's at a conus base in

(57:45):
california is going to be thesame way that a cop is trained
at a conus base in florida, andit's going to be the same as a
cop that is now deployed over insyria or over in ira.
They get the same training, itdoesn't matter.
So you've got this strictstandardization and you've got
the same rule of law.
It's the UCMJ, that is whatthey go by.

(58:06):
So now you've got that.
Now, what I will say that themilitary has is they've got a,
they've got a.
No one peeks into what they'vegot a.
No one peeks into what they'redoing.
No one peeks into what they'redoing.
So if they come up with aruling quick, fast and in a
hurry, who's going any deeperthan that?
Because guess what they'regoing to hide behind?

(58:27):
National security can't showyou anymore and you're not going
to say shit, the general publicdoesn't give a fuck.
But they do give a fuck aboutwhat your municipal cops are
doing, because it deals withthem every single day.
So there's a huge difference,yes, but to sit back and think
that the military handles thesethings a lot better, I don't

(58:50):
necessarily agree with, butthat's my perspective from both
sides.
Alan, this is the video rightfrom both sides.
Um, uh, alan, this is the videoright here, but the very first
one that you had up.
Um, so, he said he's havingtrouble finding it and
multitasking.
Oh shit, um, uh, but I'm goingto try to play this video.
Give me a second, going to bethe right one.

(59:13):
I want to watch it unfucked up.
Okay, all right, I'm going toshare my screen.
Share screen.
This is the Daniel Shrivervideo that we're talking about.
I'm going to give credit to theReal News Network.

(59:34):
That's who we got this videofrom.
I don't know if they'm going togive credit to the Real News
Network.
That's who we got this videofrom.
I don't know if they're goingto show the whole thing straight
.
If they don't, I'm probablygoing to turn it off, but let's
see as much of it as we can.
We're going to biggie size.
If you have not seen this, oneviewer, discretion advised.
It sucks when he begged for hislife where he begged for his

(59:54):
life.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Okay, young man, listen to my instructions and do
not make a mistake.

Speaker 7 (59:59):
You are to keep your legs crossed.
Do you understand me?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
You are to put both of your hands, palm down,
straight out in front of you,push yourself up to a kneeling
position.

Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
I said keep your legs crossed.
I'm sorry I didn't say this inconversation.
Put your hands up in the air.
Hands up in the air.
You do that again.
We're shooting you.
Do you understand?
Please do not shoot me.
Then listen to my instructions.
I'm trying to do what you'redoing.

(01:00:33):
Don't talk, listen.
Hands straight up in the air,do not put your hands down for
any reason.
You think you're going to fall?
You better fall in your face.
Your hands go back into thesmall of your back or down.
We are going to shoot you.
Do you understand me?
Yes, sir, crawl towards me,crawl towards me.
Yes, sir, don't talk.

(01:00:53):
The brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh my god, I get so fucking furious.
I have not.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
I think you guys did that on a night.
I couldn't join.
I have not seen that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
That might be the worst of all.
Even just the simple shootingsthat I see all the time the
demented nature and the gameshootings that I see all the
time.
The demented nature and thegame of that.
It's ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I've seen it a hundred times.
I still get fucking teary-eyedevery time I see this kid just
trying to live.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
As innocent as you could be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
You can tell this man is an innocent kid.
All it takes is just being ableto read somebody.
It's not that hard.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Fucking horrible.
And, if I can, I think thismight be a time to kind of
extend on to a topic that Iwanted to branch on before,
which was the idea of thesepeople who are fake officers,
who kind of abuse the idea ofthe fake badge and pull people
over and have this type ofbehavior when they get into the
forces officially.
This is the type of result thatyou get.
So it makes me question themental training, because it's so
very obvious, and I know for afact that you can detect this in

(01:02:09):
the little things that you do.
You can piss him off, you cantest his, his, his pride or
something, and you would seethis how does this slip through
the cracks of good officers orregulatory bodies Once you get
these?

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
because he had.
You know, if I would give youmy real opinion on what I think
about these officers, I wouldprobably get my door kicked in
tonight and arrested.
But I'm going to go ahead andsay some of it.
If I, if I ran into these folksand I knew it was them, I would
probably lose my job at thevery least, and I would spend a

(01:02:42):
few nights in jail and I wouldnot have what's called a CJIS
certification anymore to do myjob, because that is uncalled
for.
I don't care who you are, Idon't care how Billy badass you
think you are, you are, I don'tcare how Billy bad-ass you think
you are.
Um, that type of shit rightthere makes everybody lose, um,
the trust in a badge.
Yeah, and that is what Eric andI fight for is to show the

(01:03:05):
amount of good that's out there.
Of course it trumps the bad,but this, that, that doesn't
trump the bad.
I'm just'm saying yeah, I'msaying I know what you mean,
meaning the amount of verses,but that right there there's I'm
gonna stop.
I don't have any words for that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
yeah, I can say right now, just the idea that, like I
, I detected and I'm very goodat reading intent.
I knew the millisecond Iclicked on your page that you
guys were good officers,regardless of the thought that I
hadn't seen a negative postthat I thought was associated
more to that kind of a person.
Really what it is as a civilianwhen people go all cops are bad

(01:03:46):
and all this nonsense is thatthe idea that, for instance, the
body cam defect or the body campushback and the the regulatory
pushback these are goodofficers that are going.
Why are you trying to stop?
Why are you trying to hold us?
But what they're doing isactually defending these people,
not unlike when the church doesthis to certain incidents where
similar crimes or bad crimesare being committed, where it's

(01:04:09):
like you could address thisthing and solve it very quickly,
but because it calls outimpropriety or badness within
you, your pride, you're wantingto be pure in all forms makes
you the worst evil there couldbe, because these are good
officers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Some of these are good officers fighting to try to
stop these practices like bodycams from being but they allow
and enable um, I will say someof the pushback on body cam
stuff has some merit to it and Ikind of want to give you an
inside look of why.
When you have internally noprotection and no policy set in

(01:04:48):
place that you can review andsay, okay, this is how we're
going to be judged based on ourbody cam footage, that is where
a lot of these departments arecoming from.
It has nothing to do with whatthey're doing on the job.
It has everything to do withwitch hunts from their own
department.
You really have no businesswriting me up.
If I'm sitting in my car andI'm rocking out to some DMX.

(01:05:10):
I ain't around.
No, like I grew up in Flint,like I'd listen to rap growing
up.
That's what I listened to.
If I'm listening to some DMXand that's vulgar language right
now, you know.
If I'm sitting there listeningto that and I get written up
because you did an audit on mybody cam, I got no protection.
So this is where these officersare coming from.
Like, I don't want to be judgedbased on a witch hunt for some

(01:05:32):
bullshit on an internalpolitical thing.
I've already got the publicwanting to.
You know, come at me for forthings.
So, having internal witch huntson on the inside versus and the
outside, like that's where theseofficers are coming from.
So that's one of the things Ithink they're saying.
It isn't necessarily it hasnothing to do with you seeing
what I do.
So that's one aspect of it inone perspective that I want you

(01:05:56):
to kind of see that you may nothave been told before.
Um Boston PD, that's one thatreally um stood out to me cause
they they fought tooth and nailto not have body cameras because
they were trying to make theirofficers wear body cameras with
the zero policy written down yet.
And I was like, okay, I seewhere you guys are coming from,

(01:06:16):
like because they don't want tobe victim of a witch hunt.
You know, there's a promotioncoming up, it's a you know um, a
lieutenant spot gets opened upand all of a sudden that person
starts digging into all yourbody cam footage and let me see,
let me find out if he didanything.
I can get him taken off thatlist.
Now I'm eliminating competition.
Like these are some of thethings that people don't
consider.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
So well, this kind of goes to and I don't want to
interrupt you there, okay well,yeah, this kind of goes to the
point that I was making prior,which is that I I always knew
that there was good reasons.
I've heard a few, uh, differentones.
I like that angle because thatis absolutely fair, and there's
no arguing that, because that is, you know, miltonian capitalism
alone that type of like masslayoffs to justify anything

(01:07:00):
that's.
That's a real issue.
So what that makes me think,though, is that this is still an
example of the double umjudicial system, where the
police would have that defense,as they should, because they're
more honorable and they'reserving and of their support to
the community if they're doingit right.
But if that's not somethingthat's also given to the
civilians, then you're creatingthat doubles class by being able

(01:07:23):
to have that like okay, I willnot, I will skate accountability
in a form where, let's say, ifthis is in a corporate setting,
if you say let's remove thecameras because I might be doing
impropriety, they would goabsolutely.
Or truckers, for instance,let's say that if I don't know
if they do, but let's say anexample where that is the case.
If the regulatory system of thenation is supposed to make sure
and mandate certain things likethis, or let's even say let's

(01:07:46):
per state or per county.
What would make it acceptablefor that to exist in one factor
and not be honored in the otherfactor, even if it is a more
honorable position?

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So I want to make sure I got your question correct
, that you're asking, like ininstances where cops don't want
to wear the camera, that theycan justify it versus somebody
in the civilian world not havingthat same accountability.
I'm confused.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
Yeah, I can.
I can rephrase that a bit.
So, essentially, if there is amandate for accountability and
regulatory systems, that ishonest and just because it is
actually going to solve a realissue, as you saw, like this is
not.
This is to address something.
It's not like out of thin air,just as like a cutesy thing.
So the fight back against thatis that I might get punished in

(01:08:39):
the in, like a smaller form,with something way less severe
than the thing we're fighting.
If the truckers can't make thatsame argument or like, let's say
, with the judicial system iscovering that same.
You must do this or you will bepenalized because this is like
a worker's rights whatever.
Penalized because this is likea worker's rights whatever.
Then why is that something thata police officer can go?
Just because, even though Ihave a much bigger thing that

(01:09:00):
I'm trying to quell, justbecause I don't want my music to
be heard, I'm able to get awaywith this, while the same person
might make that argument withsomething bigger.
Let's say a trucker saying if Ilike I almost fall asleep on
the road, I got you okay, so I'mgoing to get in trouble for it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Okay, so I agree with you, like for me, like I'm with
you that the body camera shouldbe worn, and I think I don't
know any cops anymore Maybe someof the really old school guys
that were against it, but Idon't know any cops anymore that
would be against it.
But I can see, at the end ofthe day, I don't want to go to

(01:09:38):
work knowing that I'm could bevictim of a witch hunt.
So I want some protections,just like anybody else.
I want some protections fromfrom the inside stuff.
So I think it is, I think it'sa fair request for officers to
be like dude, I'm not going towear that thing If you're just
going to throw it out there andyou're not going to give me,
you're not even going to put iton paper.
How is that fair?
Like you want people to want todo this job and there's

(01:10:04):
something sketchy that you know.
It's like hey, sign thiscontract, trust me, everything's
good.
You know what I mean.
Like now I want to read thefine print.
Like, let me, let me read overit real quick, you know?
Um, so I don't think it'smutually exclusive.
Let's put it that way.
I I agree with you.
I see what you're saying and Iagree with that side, but I also
agree with the officers on thatpoint of not being a witch hunt

(01:10:27):
.
So, um, I'm kind of neglectingthe, the, uh people talking, so
I'm trying to get to that.
Freeman Keyes beyond upsetting,disinfuriating I'm sitting here
with tears in my eyes.
I think we're talking about theshooting that we just watched.
Yeah, I'm trying to get to that, guys.
And yeah, mr Belfold, thank youfor putting that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
This cop got nothing, which is fucking insane to me.
While you're looking throughthose real quick, Eric, the one
thing I would say about all ofthis is not all departments have
the same body camera abilitiesthat other agencies have.
Some of the smaller agencieshave lesser abilities and so
they're still working with thetechnology they have and they

(01:11:12):
don't operate the same, and sowe have some of those issues
still happening.
I know when we first got bodycameras, you know we were all
worried about the data fillingup and things like that.
Like the agency I'm at now, westill have to go and physically
upload all the data, and many ofthe other agencies have to.

(01:11:33):
You know it automaticallyuploads and so mine goes to the
cloud.
Right, it's not.
It's apples and oranges in alot of agencies and so, so, like
in my agency, you know we get,we really get concerned about,
you know, battery length and youknow, will it make it a whole
shift.
So you're trying, okay, do youturn it on now and and it?

(01:11:56):
Yes, policy says this, but Ialso want it to make through a
whole shift, and so it's thisbalancing act that is because of
the technology.
It's great, I wouldn't, I wouldnot do the job without it, but
I do think that there is, acrossthe board, not the same type of
body cameras or same experiencewith the body camera.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So yeah, um, neva said um.
The other question that I haveis if a good cop does nothing to
stop a bad cop from doing badthings, where is the good cop?
Um again here in the state oftexas that's illegal.

Speaker 8 (01:12:33):
If we don't, there's charges are going to be pressed
on the cop.
Eric, I did not mean to step onyour toes, but I hear this a
lot.
Um, and it's in other Statestoo, but I can't preach on it
because I don't know their laws.
And the state of Texas vetofficer does not deescalate and
or stop the actions, regardlessof rank, because this is what
protects those entry-levelofficers.

(01:12:56):
If a Lieutenant or a captain,sergeant, corporal, etc.
Anybody above them fto, even onscene, acts erratically, breaks
the law and that officer that'seven a rookie level does not
intervene, that is charges onthem.
So and I've seen in in actionto where they actually act on Is
that going to get shown in themedia?
No, 99.9% of the time itdoesn't, because they actually

(01:13:19):
did their job and that corporal,fto, lieutenant, captain gets
excused or demoted or sent toretraining or fired, which is
probably the best bet, or, ifthere's criminal charges, even
better, gets taken care of.
So I love the Lone Star Statefor that.
At least they put thatlegislation.
I believe that was in 2017,2018 when that was in effect.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, mama G said so.
The cops that have morals andintegrity are actually
endangered by their brothers.
That has not been my experience.
That's not been my experienceAnytime cops and I haven't been
around for it to happen, butI've heard of it in my own

(01:14:02):
department that a cop steppedout and another cop quickly put
them in their place and did theright thing.
So again I fall back to thehealth of that department,
because these departments thatwe see this bad stuff going on.
I put out a video not too longago.
I'll actually pull it up.

(01:14:23):
Let me find it real quick.
It wasn't that one, it wasn'tthis one.
Give me one second.
I'm going to find it here.
It is Okay, I'm going to sharethis one.
Give me one second, I'm goingto find it here.
It is Okay, I'm going to sharethis video.
So we're going to share thisShare.
I'm going to click on this guy.
We're going to biggie size.

(01:14:45):
I'm really dialed in becauseright now I have another First
Amendment auditory issue At thebank Trespass.
Well, we need your information.
Nope, nope, I got trespass.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Well, we need your information nope, nope, I gotta
talk to you.
We need your information totrespass you from the bank.
I've never been on theirproperty.
We're gonna confirm that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
So you've already confirmed it.
Yeah, you're blocking my way.
Hey, hey, it's not the manager.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Oh, this is no I don't no, you tell me that I
can't go on the property andthat's the end of it no yeah,
that's how it works, to documentit, because then we would never
be, documenting by saying thisgentleman uh is on.
We don't know was never ontheir property, that's not how
that works.
It is how it works, man You'rethe chief.
What's your name?
A man exercising his rights isbeing uncooperative.
Yes, you are beinguncooperative.
How is that?

(01:15:20):
Say the word disturbance, Idare you.
I already know how it goes,guys.
You don't know what I used todo.
You don't know what I currentlydo.
I I looked and turned towardsthe window, not doing anything.
So anybody who looks towardsthe bank window is suspicious.
Yes, it is, it's cold outside.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Just in that comment alone, I just want to slap the
shit out of him.
Just because you looked in awindow, you're suspicious.
In the middle of the day, on apublic sidewalk in the middle of
the city, you're suspicious.
Get the fuck out of here.
That's to my point.
When you have a unhealthydepartment, it starts from the
top down, and this was a clearcase of that, in my opinion.
So they all clearly hadcriminal trespass wrong, had no

(01:16:09):
idea what they were talkingabout.
So there's a lack of training,there's a gap there.
They need improvement on thatand I think that's a very easy,
fixable thing.
So I don't blame the officersnecessarily for being wrong,
because you just heard the chiefbe wrong.
So how can you hold them to thestandard that even their chief
is not like?
Why is their chief out there tobegin with?

Speaker 8 (01:16:30):
And this is where and I may be wrong on this, but
this is where district attorneyand investigators need to get
involved in their districts, youknow, if they're not receiving
the right training, this iswhere, because everything is
getting filed through theircourt, their district
investigators are the secondtier of investigation that goes
on, especially for felony casesthat are following up and making

(01:16:52):
sure everything is true andcorrect.
So we need to make sure ourofficers are true and correct
when they're out there dealingwith daily life of law
enforcement.
So when stuff is brought inthrough the Department of
Justice and TECL or TexasRangers here in the state of
Texas, those districtinvestigators need to come out
and put on some classes and needto make sure that these

(01:17:12):
officers understand the trueFourth Amendment, to say the
least, on that.
These officers understand thetrue fourth amendment, to say
the least, on what theseofficers are doing each and
every day, and so shame on themfor not doing that.
I know they mean well and etc.
Etc.
But you have these mom and poppolice departments and these are
the ones that control thecountry because, just as eric
said a little while ago, we havea lot of departments across

(01:17:33):
this country that have three andfour officers as a totality,
including their chief, thatserve, and we also have some
agencies, at least in Texas,that are serving as a city
police chief and the citymanager, all in one role, and so
they're trying to do two things.
I mean I don't think thatshould be the case, but then

(01:17:56):
again, I'm not the power of thebee, but the training, and Eric
and I scream on this everysingle week.
It is not there.
It needs to improve, period.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yep, yep, wade Lucero said this is a central tyrant
investigation.
He is a veteran and a verysmart.
He acts like the street dude.
I like him a lot, or I like himand follow him.
Oh, oh, the guy that okay.
Yeah, I really like some of thestyles of the First Amendment
auditors where they I lovethere's one in particular he

(01:18:27):
never talks, he just lets thecops fucking dig a hole.
It is actually kind of funny.
And oh, pravis jumped on.
Look at you, buddy, thank youhe's.
He's like what's up?
Uh, evening gentlemen, eveningpravis.
Um, let me see.
Deputy deputy d eric, do you, doyou ever reach out to the

(01:18:50):
officers you call out and askthem what the fuck were they
thinking and just get their sideof the story?
No, a lot of times I don't knowhow to reach out to these
people.
Like y'all give me more creditfor abilities than I really have
.
I would love for y'all to reachout to them and see if they'd
be willing to talk and we coulddiscuss their video.
That would be great, because Ithink that would clear up a lot

(01:19:11):
of things.
I think you'd realize theintention wasn't nearly as bad
as their training was.
A lot of times I think it'straining guys.
I think 99% of the time it'straining.
So, um, that's me.
But uh, mr Belfold, but thosebut those types of idiot cops
become the FTOs and the chiefsand get promoted.
You are fucking right, promoted.

(01:19:37):
You are fucking right, sir.
Yep, you are right.
Uh, there are.
There are a couple silentauditors.
Yeah, they're dude, the silentauditors.
They're like one of myfavorites right now, because I'm
just sitting there and I'mlistening to this cop.
You know you got to talk to me.
You know you got to tell methis.
You know you gotta like give meyour id and I'm like, oh, my
god, shut up, stop, you're gonnaget yourself in so much trouble
.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
And they, every time, Definitely, with that
pompousness that some come withit, it does defeat the point,
okay so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Damien, I'm still going to let you keep asking
questions and doing all thatstuff, but we do have a point of
the live that I kind of want toinvite you to and I want your
feedback.
I want you to give us somestuff because I want the
civilian perspective.
We don't get that very often,so what we do is we watch body
cam video live that we've neverseen before, and when we do that

(01:20:20):
we try to discuss the video.
We'll pause it a lot, as thoughwe are the officers in the
video and tell you what we woulddo next, like okay, this is
what I see, here's what I'mthinking, this is what I do next
.
We're not Monday morningquarterbacking, but what we're
doing is kind of showing how howbanning would handle a call
versus how I would handle a callas it's developing.

(01:20:40):
It's a unique perspective that alot of people don't discuss.
It's very easy to watch a wholevideo and be like that citizen
fucked up, everybody fucked up.
We should have done it this way.
I don't like doing that.
I like to be like all right,based on the way that I've been
trained, this is what I'm seeing, this is what I'm thinking as
the call develops, and then alot of times I'm right,
sometimes I'm wrong, but you see, like, oh, okay, that's where

(01:21:04):
their training goes and that'swhy they're thinking what
they're thinking.
And then everybody in theaudience gets to be like, okay,
cool, like why this, though, orwhy not that?
And we get to bridge a lot ofgaps in education that way, and
and and people in the audienceare able to be like well, why
didn't you do this?
And I'm sitting back and I'mlike, oh, I never thought of
that.
That's a good point as well.
So, things to things to consider, sir.

(01:21:25):
Um, let me see.
Um, that's not pop eric.
Will you play them please?
I, I don't know, I don't haveany right now, sir.
So what are you doing?
Okay, alan's doing something.
I'm letting him.
I don't know what the fuck he'sdoing.

(01:21:46):
Okay, folks, we're juststanding by.
Right now I don't have controlof my computer.
Alan is pulling up something hewants to show.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Well, if we have a moment.
No, I was going to say I wasabout to say.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
If you have another question, now is probably the
perfect time, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Oh great, yeah.
So when it comes to the pointthat you were making, like I
actually really, really love theconcept of doing that because
I'm somebody who, like I, haveanother side channel.
I've bank backlogged, I haven'tlaunched yet called case
studies where, like it's socrucial to kind of go through
each thing pace by pace, withevery single example of how you
can evolve, innovate and, likeyou know, take inspiration from

(01:22:28):
and that's really something thatI'm a student pilot.
That is like key in aviation,where anytime there's an
incident okay, like you saidbefore banning, banning, um.
There was a moment where theywere describing the idea of
having, um, uh, the, you know,the, the secondaries, those who
are in the lower form rankingactually be able to go.
Okay, I'm going to stand up,I'm going to make sure that I'm
making my call uh known.

(01:22:49):
That is something that aviationhas taught.
You know, a few accidentshappen where the second, second,
the, the student pilot wouldhave you would have known the
actual thing to do never stopped.
That changed everything.
Everybody is now evolving towhatever occurs.
So every single incident thathappens in aviation crash or not
is recorded by the ntsb.
They actually learn about it,they actually make you do

(01:23:10):
retraining.
They actually improve theentire system and structure.
Like, is there a way that youcan kind of take these and like
not almost make a list, but likekind of get like the highlights
that I can almost turn intolike a petition or like
something that you can push tokind of manifest this into like
actual policy?

Speaker 8 (01:23:28):
so I can speak on that as well.
I've been a pilot since 2006.
Um, and the, the I wish a heftyengine.
Well it is Everybody's like howmany is going up with you?
I was like uh, me, just me, andyou know I'm one of those guys
that flies and it's kind of like, anyway, uh, joking, joking

(01:23:49):
aside, the the aviation industryhas gone through as much, if
not more, uh, law enforcementbecause it's always in the
public eye either just like lawenforcement is all the issues
air traffic control, everythinglike that but what are they
constantly doing?
They're constantly going backin there and saying where did we
screw up?
How do we make it better?
Where's the training needed?

(01:24:10):
We've got 180 souls on board.
We've got to make sure we dothis, this and this.
And not only do we have thetraining from the federal
government, but we also have thetraining from the airlines
themselves, and I've never beenan airline pilot, okay.
So let me throw that out there.
I used my GI Bill, went upthrough commercial, got that all
done, just to fall backwhenever this goes to shit.

(01:24:33):
Just something to fall back on.
However, they do have a lotmore training, and I get it.
They're always like there'slives at stake.
Well, there's also lives atstake every day in law
enforcement.
I hope we didn't lose MrBillfold.
I know he made a comment outthere he's going to leave.
I love the heck out of the guy.
I've never met him.
We've never gone out and had anadult beverage or a Coke

(01:24:54):
together or an ice cream and asmile whatever.
I still want to do that, but wedo.
Eric and I are here pushing forthat.
There are several lawenforcement agencies out there
that have an amazing amount oftraining and these other small
ones need to reciprocate.
And if the money's not there,uncle Sam has got to provide

(01:25:15):
that, because these guys thatare out in the middle of nowhere
that are doing the same job asdallas pd or houston or austin,
they've got to go out there anddo the same thing that those
officers are doing, and they'vegot to have the resources
available.
So you know so.
So, damian, thank you forbringing that up.
Yes, there are, and that'sthat's more under a federal
umbrella when it comes topiloting.

(01:25:37):
But even your basic privatepilot has got a lot more than
just check the box stuff.
He's got to go out there andperform in an aircraft with a
federal official watching himbefore they're going to issue
said license.
So I hope I'm not losinganybody in that.
I'm not an expert in it, I'mjust a novice.
But I love how they do that,because they're not going to

(01:26:00):
just throw you up in an airplaneand say good luck, dude.
I mean it's no, and I do thinkthat needs to be that.
Am I saying that the federalgovernment needs to come into
every small agency and say, showme how to do a proper traffic
stop.
No, but there needs to be morethan just check the box training
in these academies around theglobe period.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
And can I just add one last thing on that before we
play is that when it comes tothat, like people, like when you
talk about innovating and notactually going about looking
through solutions, this would beas simple as the common excuse
is we don't have the budget, wedon't have the budget.
Look at what the highest levelof things that you keep getting
fined for train specifically inthat area make the improvements
around that area.
You got the budget becauseyou're not getting these crazy

(01:26:43):
suits.
For this exact example, Like isthat not the solution?

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
How dare you use common sense, you fucking
asshole?

Speaker 7 (01:26:53):
How dare you use common sense?

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
jesus I mean it seems so, like it's because it's
you're talking about like 100000 $1,000 thing.
If you just had theaccountability, like you can't
tell me right, I have the budget, you are hemorrhaged, but the
kid for cash like um scandal.
There's all these things wherethey're intent, like whether
it's private prisons.
These guys are making money anddoing these things, so it's
also regular that private prisonshit that blew up Thanks to Joe

(01:27:17):
.
Rogan Money's there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Yeah, that was yeah.
Yeah, we had a Derek Hamiltonthat was on Joe Rogan.
He was wrongly convicted ofhomicide, did 26 years from a
corrupt NYPD detective.
Um, they ended up having like27 other homicide cases like
looked into and are looking tobe overturned because he had
fabricated evidence and whatnot.
So um shout out to derek uhhe's, he's been on here, good

(01:27:41):
dude.
But yeah, yeah, dude, you wouldthink a little bit of common
sense, some sometimes, um, and Ithink ego comes into play on
some of these where they're likeit's not so much that they're
doing the right thing, it's the.
I think I can win, I think Ican avoid us paying $1,000.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
It's very us versus them with the FLP at times.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yeah, and I don't even know if that again, I don't
even know if necessarily thatthat's the play, is the us
versus them as much as it's the?
Can we, you know, block this?
Can we like the ego comes intoplay, I think.
I think I think the ego has alot to do with some of this
stuff.
Um, it's not so much of let'sdo the right thing.
It's like can we do this, letme see?

(01:28:23):
And you're like what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
right what well, I guess I should have actually
clarified this.
It's almost not necessarily the.
It's there's two systems whereit's there's protect and defend
and then there's law and order.
So there's certain communitieswill have different roles and
the us versus them appliesspecifically in the communities.
It could be like a rural orlike a one factory town where

(01:28:47):
there's like a bunch of drugepidemics and like instead of
helping the community, they'rejust taking money off of them,
like snatching people up.
It's it.
I wouldn't say the.
I failed in the way I justdelivered that but the law and
order versus protect and serve.
If the protect and serve can beapplied across the board,
that's where the issue is mag.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Mag dump said damien, spot on.
If you took what they spend onsettlements and lawsuits and
stopped fucking up so much, theywould have the budget.
Um, and then in some cases,guys, here's been our experience
where us as cops were like whyare you guys not fighting this?
Why are you giving?
Why are you doing a settlement?
Why are you settling when we'reright?
Because that's happened.

(01:29:27):
I've watched that personally.
We're right, 100, we are 100right and they're like it's
cheaper to throw 30 000 at themand just settle than it is to go
to court and fight this thingout and I'm like but we're right
.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
Yeah, and my whole thing on that is when you settle
and I understand the attorneysare going to write up some mumbo
jumbo that doesn't expressguilt.
My thing is if you settle withsomebody and this is Banning's
opinion there's no lawenforcement agency behind me
that's going to agree with thisYou're admitting guilt.
If opinion there's no lawenforcement agency behind me
that's going to agree with this,you're admitting guilt.

(01:30:04):
If you are right, take it tothe farm, go there, show all the
facts and express it.
If it costs you a little bitmore to prove that you guys have
done right, then do that.
However, I understand it's abusiness when it comes down to
tax dollars.
We've got to run theorganization like a business.
But I've also seen a lot ofthings get spent over
exorbitantly that shouldn't bespent within city budgets,
county budgets, state etc yeah,um eye of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
There needs to be some classes on falling acorns.
I think those are important too.
I agree with you, because youmay.
You may be hit by a fallingacorn and decide to unload your
whole fucking magazine into avehicle.
So, damien, I hope that answersyour question.
So you got any follow up tothat?

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Yeah, just if you have the time.
Pretty much like that.
The premise of these ideaswhere people go all right, it's
just let it be.
What have you?
Like?
I say absolutely fight everysingle thing.
That is a problem becauseliterally the only thing that's
hemorrhaging you money it mightcost you 30,000, might cost you
100,000 to fight a regular caseis fair.
The thing that is a real issueis when you arrest somebody

(01:31:07):
unfairly, when you like I canthink of five cases right now,
three million, six million, soon and so forth paid out because
of these.
They just complete likemalpractice or just so on and so
forth.
Obvious from the beginning.
But it was the defending of theofficer and I'm not even saying
the officer needs to bepenalized.
He could be fired, he couldeven be staying the job.
But don't just say it, admitfault, address the situation

(01:31:27):
immediately, don't make it worseso you have a bigger fine.
These are the things that cost,not necessarily fighting honest
and true things that are worththe time so that your justice
system is valid.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree Alan's fucking with thepicture.
And to the point some of thepeople are putting in the
comments most agencies have noidea how to go through the
bureaucracy to get the fundingfor what they need.
Harrison Brock said you mightthink right in losing court,

(01:32:00):
that's fine, I would rather loseputting up the good fight.
I would rather lose thinkingthat I was right.
You know, if I pulled somebodyout of a vehicle because they
refuse whatever it is, I'm just,I'm just throwing out some
ideas, you know.
And then it turns out that thecourts are like no, shouldn't
have done that.
Okay, cool, tell me why.
That's all I need.

(01:32:21):
Like, if I was wrong, I'm finewith being wrong.
I just need to know why I waswrong so I don't do it again.
Let me know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
Either way, we can learn, but when we settle, we
don't learn shit and when youshare the evidence, it's it's
now out in the public, like, forinstance, it's always, as I
said, with the two-party system,it's about having a high enough
quality lawyer because you canalways use legalese to get
around any law.
So oj is guilt is innocent,like, stop that stuff.
I, I don't get right rightright.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
But we all know, and just to your point, you may win,
but the evidence is going toshow, people are going to know,
they're going to know that youokay, you okay.

Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
You got off on a technicality, but you were wrong
like I'm going to sharesomething that that a lot of
cops probably won't share and Idon't want to see any dick pics
bro oh you said that a lot ofcops won't share, so anyway um,
when I was hired in the lawenforcement one of my
professional standards peopletold me they said if you do good

(01:33:20):
in your job, every lawenforcement officer across the
country gets sued meaning theagency for your actions on what
you do out there in the streets.
So if you take that and youlook at how many officers are
out there and how many lawsuitsthat would be, I don't agree
with that 100%.

(01:33:40):
Now, when he told me that I'mjust a sponge, I'm learning this
and that and I don't know whatthe statistics are on that type
of thing, have I been ininternal affairs for a complaint
?
Yes, has it been exonerated?
Yes, you know somebody you know, oh, you know.
Officer Swetland was rude on atraffic stop.
They bring it in, of course,thank God.
I had dash cam, body camera,drone footage, their cell phone

(01:34:02):
footage and of course I wasn'trude, thank goodness.
Am I the perfect cop?
No, I'm not.
Do we wake up and need a tamponfor this or that because of our
attitude?
You betcha, we're freakinghuman, but we can't take that
out on the public.
But I guess what I'm getting atis that comment that was made to

(01:34:22):
me is every officer is suedwithin a 20-year career, eric,
have you heard that?
I mean, I have not heard thatuntil that gentleman told me
that and he's still at lawenforcement today and he still
makes those statements and getit.
You know, law enforcementagencies are sued all the time
but, um, if you look at it,every, if every, officer was

(01:34:43):
sued in a 24 or a 20 to 25 yearcareer.
That's freaking horrendous, man.
I mean, where's the problem atand what are we doing to fix
that?
If that's the truth and what he, what he stated?
So the end of that that commentwas is you won't even know half
the time when you're sued,because the city and the entity
that's suing you will will, willsettle out of court and, uh,

(01:35:07):
you won't even hear about itbecause you don't have to come
testify, etc.
Because it's a civil lawsuit,and I don't agree with that.
I I believe if you're anofficer, your name is brought,
brought up to whatever judgingaccounting unit that's going on
and money's about to beexchanged.
You need to be advised of thatas an officer because somebody
didn't like whatever yourdirectives were on scene or

(01:35:29):
whatever.
But I do know that that doeshappen, that agencies do get
sued and they settle out ofcourt.
Without that law enforcementofficer's knowledge, you know if
it's a small lawsuit orwhatever.
I don't agree with that 100%.
I do not agree with that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I'm with you, Damon.
Anything else before we get toa video?

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Yeah, I mean, I was just going to say when it comes
to that, I'm not too sure ifthis ties directly, but I know
that that is something that Iheard.
Similarly, I studied a lot ofhow you get these executive or
pretty much like diplomaticimmunity and like the wealthy
and all this stuff do what theydo Pretty much like I hear that
a lot of the reason why theykeep the police from being able
to know about these things isthat it kind of makes it so that
those who are in the know knowthat if you fight it in court

(01:36:14):
the officer isn't going to showand you kind of get off without
having to worry about thesethings.
So it kind of lets those whoare kind of educated skip the
same legal processes that wouldfall on somebody less educated
or maybe who can't afford alawyer.
What have you?
Yeah.
Is that something is that doesthat connect to that same thing,
or is this two different issues?

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
I think it's connected, you know, however,
you know when I, however, whenI'm actively serving as a law

(01:36:53):
enforcement officer in the peaceofficer and looking at
everything, and they representbanning swetland and saying, hey
, this is why, after they spoketo me, they look at the entire
case in the entirety and theyspeak for the officer.
It's not like what new york hasand other east coast things off
of highway 95, but we do havean association and it's prepaid,

(01:37:14):
legal.
If that kind of breaks it downto people, the agency itself or
the city, as soon as the officeris accused from what I've seen,
is they they turn their back.
They're going to protect thecity for how they should and
they want to look at theentirety of the case before they
make judgment on the cityemployee.

(01:37:35):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
I don't know Absolutely.
He's like I'd unmute absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
He's like I'd unmute.
Alright, let's get to the bodycam videos here.
Okay, so, first and foremost,we're going to give a shout out
to which one's the first onehere.
It looks like my very firstvideo is on police body cam
videos.
So go to their YouTube channel.
Make sure you guys give themcredit for this, and let me

(01:38:01):
share the screen here.
We're almost two hours in Damn,we're a little over an hour and
a half.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
Sorry, did I throw you off there?
Oh no, you're good, you're good, you're good man, you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
You are a welcome change to what we did, sir.
Good, you are a welcome changeto what we did, sir.
So for you, being the veryfirst person I think that we've
had on in this fashion, thisworked out great, so I'm very
happy with what we've done.
So we got this biggie size.
We have not seen this video.
We're going to see what happensand we'll pause and discuss as
we go.
Everybody knows the game.

(01:38:33):
Let's play.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Are we muted?
No, we're good, okay.
New York Attorney Generalreleased body-worn camera
footage relating to the death ofRakeem Tillery, who died on
January 3, 2024, following anencounter with the New York
State Police in Ramapo.
Encounter with the New YorkState Police in Ramapo.
On the afternoon of January 3rd, two NYSP troopers pulled over
a car on the New York StateThruway based on a report about

(01:39:04):
an incident that had taken placeearlier the same day in Albany.
Mr Tillery was the driver ofthe car.
Mr Tillery fired a gun at thetroopers and the troopers fired
their guns at Mr Tillery.
Mr Tillery was declared dead atthe scene.
A gun was recovered at thescene.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
I forget.
When we don't use policeactivity it's always a little
different.
So, typically, for thosewondering why it's muted, right
now, body cam footage is mutedthe first 30 seconds because
once it's activated, itretroacts the first 30 seconds.
Okay, I have no fucking cluewhy we're here.

(01:39:50):
What's going on?
We jumped out of the car.
All I heard was don't, and thenI heard a lot of gunfire.
So if I am this officer, I amunassing, I am pulling my weapon
and I am trying to get behindsome cover to figure out what's
going on, because that's what wecan see Banning you got
anything?

Speaker 8 (01:40:07):
No same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Okay, Damien, you see this.
What is your reaction sir?

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
This is the type of things that is justifiably fear
mongering and causing officersto shoot people regardless of
any perceived notion, because ofthe fear, and this is probably
somebody with a criminal recordthat thinks that they're going
to get away with it by doingthis.
So this person needs to go, andthat's exactly what I think
should be about to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
OK, so other considerations we're on highway
or freeway or expressway,whatever you want to call it A
lot of people involved in this.
Yeah, we have to be.
If I am this officer and I'mgoing to pull my gun, I have to
be extra careful already withwhere I fire.
If I fire because I've gotpeople to worry about and I've

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got to worry about oncomingtraffic Like, people don't just
stop, they may slow down, youmay get lucky and they slow down
.
It's always really nice whenyou get a semi-truck that can
kind of start, becausesemi-trucks see stuff way ahead
of everybody else and they willget traffic slowed down for you
hopefully.
But I will say, since the cellphone generation, semi-trucks

(01:41:15):
aren't as good as they used tobe.
No shots fired for my truckdrivers out there, but you guys
aren't as good as you used to be, so let's keep going.
Where are we at?
Okay, that's very confusing.
There was a lone person on theground.

(01:41:35):
I'm going to go back just asecond.
I want to see who's firing andwhere.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
He already lost all his rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Who is shooting?
Oh, the officer we have wasshooting.
Okay, so we're fighting Popeye.
The officer must have fired atthis dude.
Did you see the same thing?

Speaker 8 (01:41:57):
banning is is is I did, but the whole thing with,
with, with.
I'm not putting a you know,axon, motorola, whatever body
camera you have, it's just amicrophone.
Yeah, that shot can be from the, from the officer himself when
he's coming out, and the decibelrating in the microphone is
going to be the same as somebody130 feet away, 130 yards away,

(01:42:20):
when they discharge, because anytime it's over 125 dBs that
microphone is going to take itunder a different duress, if you
will, and control it to whereit's not cracking that
microphone.
So the listener or watcher isgetting the same exact harmony
in those shots.
So you don't know who's trulycoming from, unless you have it
on body camera or dash cam yeah,audio clipping if you ever

(01:42:42):
wanted to look into that um, magdump said all right, gotta
bounce.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
I have my own podcast to get to eric vanny allen.
Stay safe.
Uh, tcod crew, have a goodnight, be safe.
Appreciate you, brother, thankyou very much.
Um and andy fletcher saiddumpwatched a court case for DUI.
Judge caught cop lying, told DAto charge him.
She refused.
He dismissed all her cases withprejudice and was removed from

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the bench.
Damn, yeah.
Okay, so let's keep going.
Let's see how this works outhere.
From here, this guy's hands arefree.
So that's what I'm seeing.
As an officer, I don't need myfirearm at this point.
I'm going to drop my level offorce, if you will, and time to
earn that paycheck and go handson.

(01:43:29):
That's what I was going to sayhere.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Oh, okay, that's what I was going to say, is you?
You know he went to work andgood on him for not, uh, getting
lost in the moment andcontinuing on.
It continues higher yeah yeah,the stressor and all that you
know.
He focused in on what he had todo next yep, so all right,
let's keep going here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
oh, we're in by Moscow.
There it is, get the fuck outAll right.

Speaker 7 (01:44:01):
Who's shooting Did?

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
you guys hear that While we're fighting over a gun,
he's headbutting Get off.
Okay, I'm going to be trying todirect my other officer.
Shoot him.
He's pulling, he's grabbing mygun.
I don't know if that is lockedback because the gun's empty or
if it's locked or if it's lockedback because it's out of

(01:44:25):
battery or whatever.
Um, I guess it just depends if,if I know, if, if I've got the
ability in a life and deathfight, so to speak, and I know
that my gun's empty and we'rejust fighting over an empty gun,
I'm not going to tell mypartner to shoot him.
I'm going to be like my gun'sout, my gun's out, my gun's out.
So he knows, because that otherofficer may see that as, oh

(01:44:50):
shit, they're fighting over agun he doesn't know it's empty.
So things to consider Get thefuck down.
What is so?
Things to consider.
What is his partner doing?
Here's my question.

Speaker 8 (01:45:14):
Why was his partner not hands-on with him?
Did you see that?
No, and the body camera is notbringing that to light, even
though it's a wide, wide cameraangle.
We're not.
We're not seeing that, so weneed to see the other body
camera as well yeah, I'm hopingthey show the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
So, um for me, okay.
So if I'm going to continue tobe like, all right, this is what
I'd be to tell my partner grabhim, grab him, help me grab him.
Like don't worry about yourtaser, don't worry about your
him, don't worry about yourtaser, don't worry about your
pepper spray, don't worry aboutyour baton, don't worry about
your gun.
Help me Fight this guy.
You've got to earn yourpaycheck every once in a while.
Guys, that's just how this gameis played.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
I think so.
You've got to cut him up.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
So we're going to secure the scene.
Okay, so we are gonna get thecar off.
God, this is such a shitposition.
You gotta worry about traffic,you gotta worry about your
partner.
Look at the car as we'rezooming by.
Okay, so ducking and takingcover with the shots fired Air.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Hey, stay down, stay the fuck down, stay, the fuck
down.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Okay.
So from this partner'sperspective, he just heard
gunshots.
We're not exactly 100% sure whofired, so I get where this
officer's coming from.
He's got his gun out and he'strying to figure it out.
Bannon, you got anything to addon that?
Not yet.
Damien, from your perspective,what are you thinking right now?

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
This is actually kind of fascinating because, if I'm
being honest, you guys actuallyhave so much more reserve than I
thought this role required themillisecond that he's shooting
at an officer, even if he justpulled out the gun and the
officer was the one firing I, hejust pulled out the gun and the
officer was the one firing.
I mean, I thought it was openhouse, like open season, like
that, when you said that whenokay, he no longer has the
weapon, but he's reaching foryour weapon, but it's empty, no

(01:47:04):
need to fire.
I'm thinking he's attemptinglethal force and, if I'm being
honest, I might not be one ofthe most purest of cops, because
my thought is this guy is a guywho needs to be taken out
because he's a obvious threat tosociety and he's actually
trying to assassinate peoplelook, let me.

Speaker 8 (01:47:19):
Let me add to that, damien, just so you can
understand my mindset if I was apatrol officer, or maybe even
eric's when he arrives on scene.
So just in this frozen scenethat we see.
You can see what seven carsright.
So, as you're approaching thisperson, you may be billy badass.
You go to the range, uh, threetimes a month.
You're approaching this person.
You may be Billy Badass, you goto the range three times a
month.
You're a great person, but whatour officers and I'm speaking

(01:47:44):
on the good ones, the majorityout there we're responsible for
every round that goes down range.
So if you miss this person rightthere, so if this is our view
as a body camera footage we'reaiming out, this is a deadly
scenario where we never want toend a life, but you have to end

(01:48:05):
that action to where nobody dies.
You shoot just above him.
It hits that concrete and thenbounces up and hits that maroon
Honda Accord 80 yards ahead, andyou know.
So this is what goes through.
Officers that actually you know, love this profession and we

(01:48:26):
don't want to hurt somebodythat's not involved in this.
And then you have just to theleft, you have another car
that's about 400 yards.
Just to the left of that,You've got one at 50 yards and
then, right across the highway,you've got two going by at 70
miles an hour If a round goesastray from an officer and hits
them.
We're, that's holy crap, man.

(01:48:46):
Could you imagine?
The feeling of pumping anddumping is what some people say.
And we're, we're putting roundsdown range.
We're responsible for thatgeneral public out there, and I
know we have some people.
Oh, no, man, cops are this andthis and this.
Here's the real deal.
We don't want to hurt anybodyunless they're trying to take a
life or hurt somebody.

(01:49:07):
So when they're not justpumping and dumping and shooting
these rounds to end that threat, it's because of what's in the
background.
Yeah, I don't know where thisis at.
I don't know what's going on.
Uh, to the totality, other thanwhat we read.
But when you look at this scene, look at that as a jury member,
um, a year and a half after thesituation, and they're not

(01:49:28):
pulling those rounds because ofall the innocent people that are
going to family, coming homefrom work, going to lunch, this,
and that they have no businessto be involved in this call
based on an officer wanting topump it up and get rid of this
suspect for trying to hurtsomebody.
That's Banning's opinion,that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
If I can, I would say that one question I would have
is by the way, yes, bjj is superimportant.
I think that's the solution andI do think, as I said, I'm
detecting immediately that thisis a lot that you need to
process immediately.
I would not have been able toknow everything that's going on.
You.
That's a lot of training.
I take my hat off to you guys,but when it comes to like the
ricochet, I did not considerricochet on top of just aim.

(01:50:08):
So like is there any?
Like you can't use hollowpoints, but like it's subsonic.
Like is there anything youcould do to like there's's no?

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
No, we do use hollow points.
We do oh okay.
Well, the thing with a hollowpoint is a hollow point.
Doesn't travel as far.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
That's part of why we use hollow points.
It isn't because they're deadly, it's because they expand very
quickly and their kinetic energyI guess it would be dissipates
very quickly, so it doesn'ttravel through things as well.
That's why we want to use hollowpoints that's actually exactly
why I was thinking it yeah, okay, that's good yeah, so, and the

(01:50:43):
reason why um they had broughtup the idea of bjj is I've been
in um bjj since 2006 and I haveput out um over and over and
over again on this podcast thatI think it should be mandatory
that officers are blue belts inBrazilian jujitsu and that the
department should be paying fortheir officers to go to class.

(01:51:04):
It has to be approved classes.
You don't want them going tomake dojos and stuff like that
where they just pump out beltsand whatnot.
But there should be sorts oftracking on your attendance and
whatnot.
But if you're going to investyour money into stuff, that's
one way to invest into yourofficers and I guarantee your
use of force will be much lower.
Banny, what were you gigglingabout?

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
When you say the big dojos that they pump out belts
and there are unfortunately somevery, very low amount there are
some dojos out there that arelike keep paying the money and
you're going to advance somebelts, and that drives me
absolutely insane, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
I'm going to do a little pushback here on Neva
Banning.
You and you are talking likeall other LE are like-minded to
you.
I hate to say it, but they arenot at all like-minded.
Many only care about their ownsafety and getting home at the
end of the day.
One, that's not a bad thing.
You should want to get homesafe, like that is.

(01:52:11):
That's not necessarily a badthing.
But two, I don't think thathe's far off.
I know a lot of officers thatthink the same way I do.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
But again, I have a healthy department, at least in
my opinion and I might add thatI, as I said, I know a lot of
officers.
I know officers on a spectrum.
I know a lot of offers thatpride themselves in stomping
heads and talking about howthey're going to get home, no
matter what I'll tell you.
I know that is a prideful bunchthat have that feeling.
I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Yeah.
So it's all perspective.
It's based on who we know andwhat we do.
I have the Night said banningyou and Eric and the others you
have on here don't want to hurtanyone.
We have seen plenty of videoswhere officers go straight to
violence.
They are absolutely looking tohurt somebody.
And I've seen those videos andviolence, they are absolutely
looking to hurt somebody.
Um, and I've seen those videosand I've we've called them out,

(01:53:00):
like the sonia massey one.
That dude was itching to dosome dumb shit.
You know, like he had so many Imean me and banning.
When we watch that video onsonia massey, we bring it up a
lot.
But there were so many timeslike all right, I'd leave here.
We didn't know what was gonnahappen.
And we're like, yeah, okay, Iwould leave here.
No, the guy keeps going.
All right, I would have lefthere.
I think we picked like six orseven times outside of the house

(01:53:20):
we would have left, and thenanother three or four times
inside the house.
We're like, all right, I'dleave here, like this lady's
clearly, you know she got alittle loony stuff going on
Leave.
Like get the fuck out of there.
Why are we still there?
And then all of a sudden, itjust turns to shit really fast
and we're like, why the fuck areyou still there?
Go, and you, as the partner,should have been like all right,

(01:53:40):
I'm sorry about that.
We're gonna leave now, likefucking get out of there.
Nope, that's not what happenedanyway.
All right, let's keep goingwith this video here.
Um, from what we see right now,uh, it's hard to tell.
I'll kind of do this numberhere.
Yeah, you can see that they'regrappling on the ground.
I can see the hands.
This is a bad spot for theofficer.

(01:54:01):
His belt's vulnerable.
He's got a headlock maneuver onthis guy.

Speaker 8 (01:54:19):
This is actually a good sweeping position to be in
if you're the bottom officer, ifyou know what you're doing.
And I think, eric and I'm notonly because of what I've seen
in the video I think the lanethat they're sitting in is an
actual lane of travel.
Yeah, and there's yeah.
So this is a bad go around,because even if an officer or if
a citizen gets in that lane andhits somebody, now they're
involved and are they in thewrong?
You know, and that's you know.
I'm not going to say that theyare, because they're traveling

(01:54:40):
at 65, 70 miles an hour.
They see the lights, the lightscan be confusing, and then
they're trying to get around itand they don't know if this is a
deflated tire.
I mean, this is reality, whenyou're coming up on an object
and you know, and when they,when it goes to court, they may
be going to prison because theyhit an object and that object
happened to be three, you knowhuman heartbeats.

(01:55:03):
Yeah people trying to digressthe situation award.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
I love him because he is my spirit animal.
Sometimes he goes.
You get two knocks and adoorbell ring, then I'm out.
He's referring to the soniamassey thing, like because they
did, I think they.
They sat on the door for quitea while trying to get her to go
there.
He's like, no, I'm gonna knockand then I'm gonna ring the
doorbell and I'm leaving.

Speaker 8 (01:55:22):
Yeah that's reality on a lot of calls yeah, yeah,
yep, yep, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
Uh, neva said.
While I can totally agree withus all getting home safe, I do
not agree with anyone puttingthat at risk.
I did say that not all arelike-minded and I wish that more
were better for all of us.
I agree, I agree, okay, let'skeep going.
Oh, my God, damien, that youmay not consider.

(01:55:51):
When we shoot on the range,we're shooting into a target,
right, right, the holes go in.
When you shoot at somethingwith clothing, you can't see the
holes Right and you're not.
So this person, this officer,just walked up and from what I
heard, it sounded like he triedto do a contact shot.
So in that, you're still not100% sure.

(01:56:13):
If you hit him, you have towatch his behavior to see if it
worked.
Still not 100 sure.
If you hit him, you have towatch his behavior, see it work.
Um, I would prefer, knowingthat this guy's hands are empty
if they are that he goeshands-on.
I would go hands-on to try tohelp my partner here, um,
because when you fire more close, like jesus, anything can
happen.
You end up hitting your partner.
I don't know that.

(01:56:34):
I'm willing to risk that it didthat.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
Seemed a little scary to take that shot, right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Yes, yes that was a sketch shot.
It seemed to work.
I think he went for a body shot, so we'll see.
So he just shot again.
Look at the cars.
Oh, did you see the smokecoming off of the, the semi
truck?
He was hitting his brakes sohard?

(01:56:58):
Holy shit.
I'm going to go back just alittle bit.
Maybe you guys can see it.
Set her fucked up, sit down.
Look at that smoke Sit down.
What is he doing?
Set her fucked up.
They're fighting over the gunman he fired again.
Traffic's stopped.

(01:57:19):
There's a gun on the ground.
Holy shit, that was a shit showit was.
I wish there was more.

Speaker 8 (01:57:29):
A lot of these agencies that have body cameras,
also have dash cam, and I wishwhen we pull this and I see this
happen a lot in the state oftexas they're asking for all
camera angles and references.
Some call and they're givingthem the body camera footage
redacted in areas that officersare making calls to their wives
or whatever like they should.
But give that body camera orgive the, give the dash cam as

(01:57:51):
well.
Yeah, when you have that dashcam, it's a sitting, uh,
cinematographic view of what'sgoing on and it can kind of fill
in the voids of what people areasking.
On this one, I think if we hada couple of dash cams on this,
eric, I think you'd agree thatwe can kind of see the angles of
different things that are goingon, maybe some things that we
missed on these body camerastuff.

(01:58:12):
But I think it needs to beadded on these.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Who is somebody's talking outof pocket here?
I kind of saw it.
Wade Lucero said officer,safety is an oxymoron.
Police shoot and kill 30 timesmore.
Citizens shoot or kill police.
Okay, fair, let's just go withthat.
I'll say you're, I will sayyou're not wrong.
I don't know, I don't know whatthe stats are on that, but what

(01:58:42):
I would be curious to know ishow often in those incidents
that the person was shot andkilled by police that they were
armed themselves.
Because that is a number that Ithink you're not aware of.
And I know that number becausethe Washington Post put out a
2024 stat on the times thatpeople were shot and killed by
police and how often they werearmed in that time.
So you find that number outbefore you start throwing out

(01:59:05):
that stuff.
Who was that?
Wade?
Because I think that will kindof calm your tits a little bit
on that.
So have Eric or Banning everresponded to a swatting call,
popular nowadays?
I?

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
haven't.
I haven't had one I have.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
You haven't done one.
I've never been to one, but, um, I've.
I've had friends that have.
They told me they're like dude.
We got there and this guy wasso clueless I had no idea.
I was like holy shit, likethat's scary this is kind of on
the phone companies.

Speaker 8 (01:59:36):
It's not on what's called Esri maps, and that's
what the 911 dispatchers use orthe technology that comes in.
You know, I work for a companynow it's Mark 43.
They're a great solution forlaw enforcement, for CAD, which
is computer aided dispatch, orRMSms, which is report
management system for officers,and we can mitigate a lot of it.

(01:59:59):
However, the digital age andeverything that's going on out
there, people can go in thereand and fake the funk when it
comes to, uh, reporting numbers,calling 911, and this is a
technology outside of what 911receives.
So I've been to one this isearly as 2010, and I think I got

(02:00:23):
another one in 2016 of aswatting call, and we basically
got to the house and what camein through the 911 call was
shots are fired, three peopleare dead on one of them and the
gunman's in the backyard.
So when you get that type ofcall through dispatch with an
actual address, even on amedium-sized agency, where I was

(02:00:46):
at, you're going to geteverybody that's on duty,
everybody that's got a uniform.
We're going to surround it,we're going to talk, we're going
to brief and go into thesituation and try to figure out
what's going on and then, oncewe make contact with the actual
homeowners, uh, you know, anhour to an hour and a half after
the call because we treat it asa standoff, not knowing the
information, we're not seeinganything.

(02:01:06):
Um, nothing happened there, um,and and that was an unfortunate
fact because we tied up so manyresources and the person that
was on the gaming console inanother state got a big laugh
out of it, right?
So when you, when you look atanother one that I received was
not necessarily a swatting callwas somebody that was in a

(02:01:30):
domestic violence situation andthey called not the 911, but
they called the administrativeline.
So that's the, we are dialingthe area code and it's a
non-emergency type thing, andthey were telling the dispatcher
this man broke their leg, theywere being beat for two weeks,
they were held in a room andthey're in an apartment number.

(02:01:51):
Well, that was in a anotherstate and the dispatcher
couldn't pick up on.
That Wasn't the dispatcher'sfault and we surrounded the
apartment and so if you look atit, you can look this up on a
map.
So there's jacksboro, texas,and then there's jacksboro,
tennessee, and this personbasically got on their phone as

(02:02:13):
the victim and said jackssboroPolice Department and what came
up because of whatever's onGoogle was Jacksboro, texas, and
when they called thatnon-emergency number, it went to
our county dispatch.
Our county dispatch picked up,she gave what was going on and
she couldn't give an apartmentnumber.
She's in the living room andthe gentleman broke both her

(02:02:34):
legs.
What we got was and when you'rein a rural setting, we had a
totality of three lawenforcement officers who were on
duty for almost 1,000 squaremiles and we're circling this
apartment complex hitting oursirens and waiting for this
victim that's on the phone withdispatch to hear that siren.

(02:02:54):
And once they heard it, wecould at least get it down to a
block number that they were inand have it down to about six
apartments.
And then we were.
We kept hearing it.
The lady never heard it overand over and over again, and the
problem was she was inTennessee, not Jacksboro.
So we were circling this andgoing, going and this is not a

(02:03:16):
swatting call, but this is howswatting almost works.
It comes from another stateusually or a a distant phone,
and they're and they're creatingthis big thing.
The one that the second onethat I went to was an actual
call and we were able to finallyget first responders there and
to stop that.
However, uh, the first one wasa swatting call and nothing was
going on and we tied up peoplethat had no business being

(02:03:41):
involved with law enforcement.
So swatting is horrible and Iwish the government or the
powers that be could say itcould figure that out.
Hey, this is not within the 911deal and it's going to revert
back to wherever they're at, totheir true 911.
But that would make senseBanning.

Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
We would be on a traffic stop in my small
community and it's small enoughthat we would have a pretty good
idea that there was narcoticsor something in the car and then
the 911 would come in.
Our agency is small enough.
There's usually two or threeofficers on the street and we'd
get a 911 call to a domesticacross town and get over there

(02:04:21):
and there was no domesticbecause they were trying to get
us off the car because they hadtext their friends and said, hey
, they got us pulled over, youknow, help us out.
So we'd have to leave thattraffic stop to go deal with the
domestic.

Speaker 8 (02:04:35):
Yeah, no, and it's absolutely ridiculous.
I mean it's and the people, thevoting public or the people in
America, have no idea how manyfunds are used in reference to
using this right.
So it's a lot of money that'sused on these swatting calls.
So I appreciate that personputting that out there on the

(02:04:56):
swatting calls.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
So I actually have the stats.
Uh, this was put out by policelaw news um daniel carr, who's a
part of the two cops.
One donut stuff.
Um.
1133 people fatally shot bypolice in in 2024.
1,068 were men, so 94%.
237, so 20%, were black men and350, 30% were white men.

(02:05:29):
984 of those 1,133 that wereshot by police were armed with
guns.
That's the Washington Post.
So that is the numbers.
I've saved that becausespecifically for comments like

(02:05:49):
that.
So who said that?
Cameron Washington?
Eric, I love that polo.
Yeah, sir, that would be my uhretro rifle shirt.
Thank you very much, um.
Did you, damien, did you happento hear those stats I put out?
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (02:06:06):
And I I agree completely with all that stuff,
and I I do think it's one ofthese things where people get
either stuck in confirmationbias or they want to believe the
worst in everything, so they dokind of it's a headline thing
where, like statistics caneasily be manipulated.
It's like what's the size ofthe demographic, what's the time
period, like so on and so forth, and even just like that like

(02:06:27):
are we vetting these cases?
So like, when it comes to thesethings?
It's about, if I'm being honest, the righteousness of doing it.
You should be doing it by acase-by-case basis, but I don't
like that.
The two things were supposed tobe connected, like these are
mutually exclusive things.
Cops' lives should not have thesame level of precedent because
they kill more people.

(02:06:47):
Like let's not get too like.
That's where you lose mepersonally, that's what I feel.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Yeah, fair, I like that.
All right, let's go to the nextvideo I am going to.
This is a police activity video, which is our favorite.
The reason we like policeactivity so much is they don't
there's no, it's just the bodycam footage.
There's no fluff, nothing elsein between it.
So we will share the screen.

(02:07:14):
Let's see Boom, boom, boom,boom, boom.
Was that the right one?
Yep, share Again.
We have not watched this.
We will biggie size this.
There we go, and all right, I'mready, let's go.
Did I hit play?
Yes, I did.
All right, we're tacticallypointing at something.

(02:07:37):
The screen is very blurry forsome reason.
Oh, because of the computer.
They're blurring out.
This is part of the redactionprocess.
The camera is trying to save usfrom seeing something on the
computer.
Country girl drink Because Isaid biggie size.

(02:07:57):
Country girl drink because Isaid biggie size.
Oh, that's another thing,damien, they really love when I
say biggie size for some reason.
Oh, we're muted.
Oh, shit, hold on, we gotta goback.
We gotta go back.
I'm gonna go back to aboutthere then you can't drive okay,
we gotta go all the way back.
Apparently there was volume thewhole time.
Get back in your car the wholetime.

Speaker 4 (02:08:17):
Get back in your car.
What do you want?
Get back in your car.
What do you want?
Your license?
What do you want my license for?
Give me your license.
You know, I don't have afucking copy of my license, then
you can't drive.
What's your problem?
You can't drive, you don't havea license.
Come on, get out and handlethis like a man.
Get out of your fucking car.
What?

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Okay, all right, banning.
I'm going to say this Ifsomebody asks me to get out of
the car and handle it like a man, it's not that I'm going to get
out to fight this person, it'sthat I don't want to be trapped
in my car.

Speaker 8 (02:08:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:50):
So for me, yes, I'm going to get out of my car.
I am still going to try tode-escalate.
But don't get it confused.
I am ready to fucking throwhands by somebody that's trying
to tell me get out of the carand let's handle this like a man
Again.
I don't want to be stuck inthat freaking coffin of a car.
So I am going to get out.
I'm still going to try tode-escalate.

(02:09:11):
I don't want to fight thisperson, person, but I'm ready.
If you want smoke, we can have.
I'm just playing.
If you want smoke, we can havesmoke.
No, that's not what I mean, butI gotta get out of the car.
I can't, I can't sit back.
Now.
He's trying to tell this guyexactly what he needs and why he
needs it.
I don't disagree with what he'sdoing here, um, but now we got
to get it over the um.

(02:09:33):
I I gotta get it out over theradio and let them know I need
backup.
Like this dude's trying tofucking fight me like I'm not
fighting somebody by myself,especially when it it looks like
it's a simple traffic stop.
So, um, we'll, we'll keep goinghere, uh, okay lc41212.

Speaker 4 (02:09:55):
I'm in a driveway 74 Main Street North with Alpha
Alpha 39355.
Be right there.
B of I's operator is walkingaway.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
Why is he not asking for other people?
He didn't ask for any backup,did he?
I didn't hear him.
Your boy's still talking shittoo.
I can hear him.
Come on boy, Come on boy, Allright, All right, Damien, what's
your impression so far?

Speaker 5 (02:10:35):
Yeah.
So as somebody who is lesstrained, my first thought is
like what makes you so confident?
Do you have a weapon orsomething?
I'm not going to go straight tousing it, but like what you
said is exactly how I feel.
Like I would get out of the carto be like what's going on and
I would be looking to arrest theperson, try to figure like
de-escalate.
But if you are actually, if Istep out and your first thing is
to try to come toward me, I'mgoing to try to restrain you.

(02:10:56):
Yeah, do that respectfully.
But that's the type of personwhere if they try to throw a
hand or anything like that, I'dnever understand why police just
like a bunch of well, lack ofemotional regulation a bunch of
persons because they've ran longenough to try to catch them or
something, but like that's thetime where you're in a.
If you're throwing fists likeyou can retaliate because that

(02:11:19):
is.
I don't know what's going onwith this person, but I'm very
wary on getting out of the carand with knife or thing makes
people confident.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
Yeah, steve Wallace said what about driving off, to
make distance and regroupingpossible?
But it just depends if thisguy's walking off and you fear
you're going to lose sight ofhim, like that's part of it.
You don't know who he is yetyou don't have his id.
Um, so things to consider.

Speaker 3 (02:11:46):
Wade lucera I completely agree with harrison
brock on.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
They probably do know each other, you know the
officers probably dealt with himbefore oh okay, yeah, um, wade
lucero said take off the gunbelt, leave it on your seat,
lock your door and handle it.
I like it.
So I was actually wondering ohplease, no, I was gonna say,
don't ever do that.
No, that's not a real thing.
The same fucking.

(02:12:12):
What's that movie with?
Uh, what is it?
Uh, damn, what's that moviebanning with?
Uh, the, the hispanic dude andum, the other day, I can't end
of watch.
That's where I'm trying to go.
It's not.
It's not.
End of watch, um, that that shitshouldn't and doesn't happen.
I hope, um, I hope that doesn'thappen.

(02:12:32):
But um freeman's busting myballs?
Damn, aren't you b trained?
Yeah, I still don't want tofight people.
That's the point.
I like to know what I'm doingif I have to, but I don't want
to Trust me.
All right, let's keep going.
Let's see what happens here.
Don't come near me.

(02:13:04):
Don't come near me.
Don't come near me.
He's reaching, he's reaching.
Okay, did you see that bladedstance started reaching banning.
That's what I saw, right away.

Speaker 8 (02:13:11):
We, we just have.
You know, people are like oh,he can do that, that's freedom,
here's the deal.
It's our scene.
We're gonna make sure everybodygoes home safe to the best of
our ability.
We're gonna.
We're gonna detain, figure outwhat's going on.
Don't go reaching in yourpockets.
I'm not gonna go reaching inmine when I'm on the
investigation unless there's areason to do so.
If I'm, if I need to grab mynotebook, it's, it's in plain,

(02:13:34):
my little tab, and I pull it upand everybody sees it's a
notebook and I get it out and Istart writing.
The same goes for the personI'm dealing with.
If they go reaching in theirpocket after my instructions not
to do so, it's going to raisethe alarm and and you know, and
I've had people well, you can'treach in your pockets, so and I
get that and that's, and I'mhere to play 50, 50.

(02:13:55):
So when I go to reach my I, hey,man, I'm just grabbing my
notebook and here it is.
See it, it's a little.
You know, here's my notebookand I bring it out.
I can play those games too, andit is game, so to speak, until
it gets to a certain level.
Um, my whole thing is is Idon't want anybody to get hurt,
and I've done.
I did it for 21 years and I dida pretty darn good job at it,

(02:14:18):
to where nobody I mean somepeople got hurt, but it wasn't
on my accord, if that makessense.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go back.
I want you guys to see the bodylanguage that I saw, like I
would have immediately done alittle reverse, I would have
retreated, would have retreated.
Um, I am not afraid to do alittle spin, move and run back
towards my car to get some space, simply because of this
maneuver.
Um, what this guy did and whatI saw was him purposely blade

(02:14:48):
his body away, and I know youguys can't all see this, but he
blades his body away and hehides that right hand.
I would have not run backwards,but kind of done a little
c-step around and uh and andcreated some distance here.
So I'm gonna go back come nearme.

Speaker 7 (02:15:05):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
though right there he starts to blade.
This is not a good, this is badum, and you're giving clear
orders as a lawful peace officer.
Like this is not normalbehavior from a person that
isn't trying to do someshenanigans.
There's some shenanigans aboutto be played, so that right hand
that he has is a big concern ofmine.

(02:15:25):
Right now.
Don't fucking come near me.
He's bladed his body completely.
Very dangerous.
Let's keep going, don't Tyler,don't Tyler, don't Tyler, don't
Tyler.
He's attacking, going.
That's not, definitely notnormal behavior.
So now I don't know if he'sthrowing a fist or if he's
throwing if he's got a gun he'sdrawn or if he's got a weapon.

Speaker 4 (02:16:00):
I don't know if he stabbed me or what he did.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
So the officer, something happened.
I'm going to say he was stabbed.
Yeah, LT-4012.
He got stabbed in the throatthat's what it sounds like.

Speaker 7 (02:16:20):
LT-412.
Lt-412.
He can't talk.
Lt-412, Tramiel.
His partner has no clue.
Send me an ambulance for me?

(02:16:40):
Yeah, I think so.
Right here, my neck.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Yeah, a lot of times we don't know we've been stabbed
, it feels like a punch, andthen we don't know until later
on.
I want to keep going, though Iwant to see Roger.
Come over here.

Speaker 7 (02:16:57):
Come over here, I want to keep going, though I
want to see.

Speaker 1 (02:17:07):
Our, don't be snag me I.

Speaker 7 (02:17:18):
Can't believe you hit him on the run with this taser.
All right, put your handsbehind your back.
Put your hands behind your back.
All right, hands behind yourback, stop.
Give me your other hand.
Okay, give me your other handhe did not attack you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:34):
Give me your hand so good on this officer.
He did what he's supposed to doSecure the scene first, and
then we render aid and do whatwe gotta do, but he secured the
scene.
You got any feedback so far onthis Banning?

Speaker 8 (02:17:48):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Anything, alan Nope Damon.
Any concerns of yours, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:17:55):
I might want to reserve.
I'll wait.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 7 (02:18:00):
He fucking attacked me, he'sworked up.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
Did he stab you he?

Speaker 7 (02:18:10):
attacked me?
Yeah, I think so.
Let me see where.
Right here, right there.

Speaker 2 (02:18:15):
Yeah, come over here, jimmy.
Come over here.
Come there, come over here,jimmy.
Come over here.
Come over here, jimmy.
Sit down.

Speaker 7 (02:18:26):
LC-44, sit down.
Sit down 42.
I need a medic Immediately.
I need a medic.
Breathe, he's fucking attacked.
Sit down, he's attacking.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
Man, that's scary, jesus, that's.
Uh, that's, I don't.
I'd rather deal with a guy witha gun than a guy with a knife.
Yep, all day long.
That's crazy.
Freeman said Eric, I couldnever be an officer.
You could, you could.
Everybody's got it in them.

(02:19:03):
You just got to find your cause.
That's all marine blood.
It's okay, harrison.
I think it's because theyaren't censoring the bangs.
I don't know what we're talkingabout there.
The officer would take thespirit of 50 Cent Proud, took a
stab to the neck and kepthoofing.
He did Stayed in the fight.
Now I want to make the point.

(02:19:26):
I hate bringing this up, butthat guy didn't get shot, they
fought through.
This goes to that point thatofficers aren't just looking for
an excuse.
So got this guy secured, didwhat they had to do and that was
it.
Um, I do think you bring up agood point.
Whoever it was said that theymay know each other.

(02:19:48):
So it's possible, I don't know.
Um, okay, damon, anything toadd on this?

Speaker 5 (02:19:54):
yeah.
So, um, first things first.
Yeah, he's like I got a bunch,really three points, but when it
is, ah, the intensity of it.
So one when it came to backingup, you guys were exactly right,
so that's probably protocolback up, get some distance and
then come out.
The first thing that I cut,that went through my mind was
like almost, would it be betterto stay seated and then have the

(02:20:15):
actual like the um, the partnercome out?
That way, the distance is therebut you still get the ability
to get time.
In the event, they pullsomething out like is that not?
Uh, would that be somethingthat like, maybe the partner has
less?
Like?
You know what I mean?
Is it equal?

Speaker 3 (02:20:29):
very, very few departments actually have a
partner in the vehicle.
Um, most of us are operatingwith a single officer, maybe
have backup coming in anothervehicle, and so in the state of
Texas I can only think of twoagencies that do it full-time,
and only one of those are 100%.

(02:20:49):
So Houston operates two-manunits and the Sheriff's
Department does not, and so 100%of Houston's department
everywhere else in the state ofTexas is pretty much a single
operator, unless you work in aspecial area.
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
Marine bloods.
I like memberships.
You'll never know.
Yeah, that guy made a fullrecovery.
Everybody just read the commentor the description.
So that got 378 000 views andit happened on october 7th,
third sorry, october 3rd, sowasn't too far away.

(02:21:33):
Um, okay, let's go to the nextvideo.
We're only we'll do this onelast video and then we'll let
Damien talk a little bit at theend here on his experience and
we'll go from there.
This is less than five minutes.
Let me share the screen.
Share Again.
We have not seen these videos.

(02:21:53):
We don't know what they do.
We're going to unmute this oneBiggie size and play.

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
The reason why we're stopping is you're riding in the
roadway and you're walking andyou're walking.
Oh shit, I forgot about that.
What do you mean?
You forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:09):
He was just having fun he was living over there.

Speaker 7 (02:22:12):
Can I just pat?

Speaker 2 (02:22:12):
you down and make sure you got no weapons on you.

Speaker 1 (02:22:19):
I was just about to say I don't like the way that
they're acting because they'retrying to throw some word games.

Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
All three of us knew it Like all three of us were
like.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
Yeah, I was like get in position, bro.
He's giving you squirrel mouthright now.
Go ahead, Vanny, what do yougot?

Speaker 8 (02:22:36):
No, I just said his, his right hand was a telltale
sign that possibly something wasin his right pocket.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
But yeah, he was touching like he knew he had
something there he wasimmediately and he agreed with
him.
Like the second that he agreedwith him, you knew he was about
to wrap it, yeah and like how doyou, as a cop, you're like,
well, because you agreed with me, I knew something was up.
No, no, like you can't.

Speaker 3 (02:22:59):
It's hard to articulate, but you just know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:02):
You've dealt with it so many times yeah yeah, like
this kid was up to someshenanigans.
Damien, what did you see?

Speaker 5 (02:23:10):
sir.
Yeah, I knew that there wassomething odd, because it was
like body language Likesomething odd.
Because it was.
It was like body language likehis hands were like blocking him
.
He was like kind of creatinglike a bridge in front of him,
and his fingers, his hands werelike splayed in an odd way.
So it seemed like there wassomething odd.
Yeah, yeah, you're right, he'snot charisma, but his energy was
like yes, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
There was something unnatural about it and this is
the hard part, damien, that wetry as cops.
We're like, all three of us,immediate we started giggling
becauseiggling it was like, ohshit, he's about to rabbit, like
we felt it.
And we've never seen this video.
So how do you articulate that?
It's very hard to explain as acop.
Like I knew this fucker wasabout to run.

(02:23:49):
Like that's how dumb we are,that's how we talk to each other
.
I knew that fucker was about togo and you're like but how do I
explain that in court when shitgoes wrong?
Like experience, experience,yeah, it takes a lot of time to
to learn how to articulateexactly what we all just saw.
We all felt it.
There's an energy there, justlike you said, there's an energy

(02:24:11):
, but you gotta know how toexplain it.
So let's keep going.
Oh, that's crazy crucial.
I've never really heard anybodysay that shit while on the
radio.
I was just about to say I'mgoing to jump on the radio, I'm
going to call out a description.

(02:24:31):
You know, I believe that was ablack male hoodie.
I suppose we were joking aboutthat earlier before we got on
the thing.
Um, you know, pants runningwestbound this direction and he
just said he's reaching in hiswaistband.

Speaker 3 (02:25:12):
He made sure everybody could hear that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
That's big.
There's a lot of time before heactually fired.
But here's what I want to pointout I don't hear this kid
yelling out anything.
He's not saying anything.
He's not.
That's not a gun.
That's not a gun.
It's fake.
It's fake, it's fake, it'swhatever.
We're not hearing anything.
So was he trying to intimidate?

(02:25:38):
Was he making some dumb kidmoves here?
Let's see.
What the?

Speaker 7 (02:25:44):
fuck did he shoot?
Back up, back up, back up.
He's got shots fired.
He's got shots fired.
Let me see.
He's got copy key going to copythe cross street.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
They only fired once.
That's what I heard anyway.

Speaker 7 (02:26:00):
Hey, give me a light here.
Give me a light here.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
Now they're immediately going into
life-saving measures.
So these are the things I'mlooking for.
I want to know if I'm going tostart judging intent.
That's the type of things I'mlooking for.
I didn't hear a cop just gofuck him.
He did what he did.
So that's the type of thingsI'm looking for.
I I didn't hear a cop just gofuck him.
He did what he did, so that'spositive.
So he immediately startedrushing in to help and they

(02:26:25):
actually genuinely seemedconcerned.
You know people make mistakes.

Speaker 8 (02:26:29):
This is not just training yeah this kid made a
mistake, you know did.
Did he end a life?
Hopefully not.
But now we're there because wehad to end that so-called
mistake and we've got to providelife-saving measures.
I mean, we're going to doeverything we can, we're going
to get people there, keep thatheart beating and hopefully he

(02:26:50):
can answer for whatever he didin court.

Speaker 3 (02:26:54):
Well, and I would also add, with everything we saw
in the very beginning of thisdescription, I don't think any
of any of us immediately thoughtthe age of this person was 13,
like a, like.
That's not something thatautomatically jumped into my
mind.
I was thinking this is asuspect that just ran yeah, yeah

(02:27:16):
, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:27:16):
I was not thinking of age at all.
That doesn't matter to me, notin this, nope, not at all Nope.
I said what we see so often,reasoning a suspect was acting
suspicious, so we decided todetain him.
And this goes into what do youwant from your police?
It's the middle of the night.
I'm not seeing a body cam timeright now, but it looks to be

(02:27:41):
the middle of the night.
People are out and about.
My parents always told me ifyou're out past 11 at night on
the streets, you're up to nogood.
What are you out there doing?
That was their belief.
Police kind of operate in asimilar aspect.
So if you're going to beproactive and there's not a lot
of calls in the middle of thenight, even in a major city

(02:28:02):
where I'm, at once we starthitting around 1 am, 2 am
there's not a lot of calls, ifany.
Holding.
We're dealing with proactivepolice work.
Smoke wagon got me.
So you're dealing withproactive police work.
Now your question is are youfor or with proactive police
work?
Now your question is like areyou for or against proactive
police work?
Do you want your cops out theretrying to stop some shit?

(02:28:24):
Now the question goes why isthis kid running around with a
gun?
So things to consider, thingsto talk about.
These are the discussions wewant to start having, so let's
keep going.

Speaker 7 (02:28:36):
You don't need to be close.
His buddy goes bro.

(02:28:56):
Separation Fucking drop it,Drop it, Start us an ambulance.
We got shots fired.
I don't know where the gun went.

(02:29:20):
Looks like a real gun.

Speaker 1 (02:29:34):
Even had a slide like a real gun.
So I am only reason I know it'snot is because I can see the
title.
It says that it's with a pelletgun, so it looked like a Glock.

Speaker 5 (02:29:46):
I shoot BB guns all the time and I couldn't detect
it.
Isn't it supposed to have anorange tip or something?

Speaker 1 (02:29:50):
Yeah, typically I think that's one of the safety
things that they're supposed tohave.
But even me as a kid, I had agun that I was supposed to have.
I took it, I saw it.
I have a friend that did that.
Yeah, it was just a cool thingto do as a kid, so something to

(02:30:18):
understand.
I want to point out they gottheir lights on already.

Speaker 3 (02:30:25):
I kind of feel like this was a call.
It was a call, yeah, you couldtell they were there for
something.

Speaker 1 (02:30:28):
Yeah, this wasn't just purely proactive police
work.
Somebody called on these guys.

Speaker 3 (02:30:33):
Well, in the very beginning it said.
They asked him hey, we pulledyou over because you were riding
on the sidewalk.
No, you were riding.
In the very beginning it said,uh, they asked him hey, we
pulled you over because you wereriding on the sidewalk no,
you're riding in the roadway,right?
I thought he was on the bicycleriding on the sidewalk no, I
think he was in the roadway andhe said that he was right in the
middle of the road and he'slike, oh yeah, no, I ain't
supposed to do that one thing Iwould uh, this, this body camera

(02:30:55):
, the one that we're watchingright now, is the officer that
circles around behind him.
You know we're going to have aconversation if I'm his FTO,
because he's got both of hishands full as he's circling
behind.
Oh really, yeah, he should havebeen like when I noticed this.
He had his flashlight in hisright hand, something in his

(02:31:17):
left hand and he couldn't grabthe guy as he, like, his whole
role was to sneak in behind himand, you know, be able to gain
compliance if, if he needed to,and he wasn't there for that
role.

Speaker 1 (02:31:31):
Yeah, let's uh flashlights in his right hand.
Is he a left-handed shooter?
Oh shit, damn.

(02:31:52):
I didn't realize they were allthat close.

Speaker 7 (02:31:54):
Stop the back, start a fire.
We got shots fired.
What the fuck are you close?
Back up, back up, back up.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
So what I notice is that all those officers that
came in looked like they weretrying to go hands-on to help.
They didn't just go to theirgun.
So that's something I want topoint out.
Damien, what do you got so far,man?

Speaker 5 (02:32:13):
I mean, this is the definition of what I would have
envisioned these type ofoccasions should be.
Like that's the officers hadthe right heart.
You can tell they care aboutaddressing the situation, either
for the kid or just forprotocol.

Speaker 1 (02:32:26):
I have nothing more to say okay, fair enough,
harrison, he keeps rubbing it inmy face.
Why do people use glocks overstaccatos?
Because we can't all affordstaccatos.
You, I would love to have astaccato, but we can't all
afford staccatos.
You, fucker, uh, would love tohave via staccato, but I can't
afford one.
Um, all right, let's, uh.
I I don't know what else thisis going to show us.

(02:32:46):
They call out for help and theytry to do that.
So, all right, we're going tostop sharing.
We're going to make this moreabout Damien.
Damien, sir, okay, now thatyou've been on, I believe the
audience would tell you 100% ifwe were being fake tonight or if
we were not being how wenormally are.

(02:33:08):
This is really how the showgoes every time.
So how was your experience?

Speaker 5 (02:33:14):
I mean incredible.
Like you guys have thecharacter that I was hoping for
and that I hope getsproliferated through the entire
force.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
Excellent, okay, very cool and, like I said, those in
the crowd, they will instantlytell you if we were being phony
people tonight or not.
But no, this is exactly what Iwas hoping for.
I have, like I said, I have putthe gauntlet down many times to
trolls.
You were not a troll, so I wantto make that clear.

(02:33:41):
He didn't troll me, guys, buthe did reach out and say that he
wanted to talk and have aconversation.
I was like would you be willingto come on our live?
Because I knew it was rightaround the corner and I figured
that would be the easiest way wecould do a one-on-one if you
wanted to.
But I thought this was kind ofthe coolest way to do it and
allow you to.
Basically, you interviewed ustonight, so it was fun.

(02:34:03):
But yeah, this is, this is whenanybody comes on and they start
just cop hating or whatever.
I'm like, come on and talkabout it.
Like I welcome that everysingle time because I have such
confidence in the Two Cops, oneDonut cast that we have that
we're not going to shy away fromyour questions and I'll just
flat out tell you I don't know,if I don't know, what do you

(02:34:26):
want me to tell you, but I thinkwe had some good conversation
tonight.
I think everybody else in theaudience would agree.
Keys just jumped out and he, hesaid you gents are real, uh,
and constitutional country girlwho definitely does not give us
free passes for anything, saidagreed.
So that that definitely makesme feel better.

(02:34:48):
Banning.
What do you got buddy, no samething.

Speaker 8 (02:34:51):
I mean, damien, I I appreciate you coming on.
I I know it's a lot for you tocome on.
You have zero idea what toexpect and you, you came on here
willingly and that's that'sawesome.
We're not an echo chamber I'mgoing to say that a lot because
there's a lot of podcasts outthere that echo chamber,
different things and we're we'renot that I mean we're.

(02:35:14):
We're human beings just likeeverybody else.
We, we put our pants on thesame way everybody else does,
and I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (02:35:21):
Absolutely.
Harrison Brock's trying todefend himself I'm not rich, but
he's got a.
He's got a staccato.
He keeps buying everybody thesethese memberships, uh, tonight,
guys, hey, if you guys want tohelp us out, and, uh, you,
you've got the financial freedomto do that, cool, awesome.

(02:35:43):
If not, just subscribe, it'sfree, doesn't cost you anything.
So, uh, or share us withsomebody if you're already,
you're already at that level.
So, um, two caps, one donut.
It took me 18 months to pay formy staccato.
Yeah, I know my wife won't letme get one, bro.

Speaker 8 (02:35:59):
That's why it's expensive man, it's not a uh
yeah, but it is texas it istexas made though.

Speaker 1 (02:36:07):
Well, we'll put that out there.
Oh, maybe I need to reach outto them.
um oh, constitutionalentrepreneurial said remind us
how to submit videos to you.
If you guys reach out to me onany of the social media
platforms, you can directmessage us.
That's easy.
If you've got a video you wantto show us, put it on Instagram.
That's the one I check the mostis my Instagram account.

(02:36:28):
You can do it on Facebook,tiktok, any of that stuff.
Look up the Two Cops One Donut.
You can find us on our websitetwo cops one donutcom, all
spelled out, um.
And.
Or you can reach out to ouremail, which is two cops one
donut at yahoocom, all spelledout.

Speaker 8 (02:36:45):
So um, I know a lot of you don't have a a LinkedIn
page.
It's free.
Create a link LinkedIn page,send me a message, connect with
me.
I'm not at my max.
I got like 31 000, etc.
Uh, connections that I have onthere reach out say that.

Speaker 3 (02:37:02):
You say that, like it's so simple, like I'm not,
I'm not at my max.
Like right like you're likefour below the max.
Is that like right, like I?

Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
was like.

Speaker 3 (02:37:16):
I hear like 10 followers and Banning's.
Over here he's got like 4million or something.

Speaker 8 (02:37:23):
But LinkedIn, you know, I don't care what your job
or career is, LinkedIn is anamazing tool.
It's a rolling resume.
You can always benefit yourcareer on LinkedIn.
So please create a freeLinkedIn account.
Hit up Banning, Sweatland andman, it takes me a little bit to
get back to my messages, but Iwill get to you in about 40

(02:37:47):
minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:37:47):
He does respond.
Every time he responds toeverybody guys.

Speaker 8 (02:37:53):
It takes a bit, but I do.
I get back to everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:37:56):
Yeah, harrison Brock, he's like I always message you
on LinkedIn.
Yeah, he does, and I can't.
He he finds more videos than Iever have time to find.

Speaker 3 (02:38:05):
I think he sent me three during the show.

Speaker 1 (02:38:08):
And they're not short and I'm like, bro, I'll get to
him if I can Like I can't takeall this stuff I got.
It isn't just you, harrison, Igot like 70 other people at
least sharing videos.
That's so funny.
Ryan LeMay said Banning.
You can't say you put yourpants on the same way First.
You need to see me put my pantson.
Spoiler alert it involves atrampoline.

(02:38:31):
Okay, I got a lot of new stuff.

Speaker 8 (02:38:33):
That goes on.

Speaker 3 (02:38:34):
The list that goes on the list.

Speaker 1 (02:38:37):
Duck Ninja, dad, then you can be like me and stalk
them on LinkedIn.
Anything for engagement, ohyeah, eye of the Night said Eric
is pretty responsive as well.
Yeah, I try.
That's probably one of mybiggest problems.
I try to respond to just abouteverybody, which is very hard
for me, especially the more wekeep growing.
Damien sir, let the folks knowhow to find you.

Speaker 5 (02:39:03):
Yeah, so when it comes to finding all of my
content, you can just go to theunderscore Damien Riggs or
Damien Riggs Prods on Instagramand Facebook and everything else
, and that way you'll be able toget the link in bio.
That just gives you all thethings in one source.
It's the Curious podcast, it'sDamien Riggs productions.
The curious podcast coverseverything I go.

(02:39:23):
You see, I have a wealth ofknowledge and I like to explore
that.
I open the gate, no hindrancefor anti-intellectualism.
I go super deep.
And then, when it comes toDamien Riggs productions, it's
more.
I call it the differencebetween mindful entertainment
and just entertainment.
Uh, that covers a bunch ofdifferent topics.
Uh, when it comes to the thingsthat I do, I own the memorable
multimedia agency.

(02:39:43):
That is what my newspaper, mynews outlet, is through, but it
also does photo, video designand much more graphics, all the
rest.

Speaker 8 (02:39:51):
That's why you can find me hell yeah, damien, are
you on linkedin?

Speaker 5 (02:39:55):
I am.
I don't use it much, I'm Justbecause of this spiel that you
gave me.
I am now going to actually bedoing it more.

Speaker 8 (02:40:00):
You need to Please do .
Yeah, I'm going to telleverybody right now that's
watching.

Speaker 1 (02:40:05):
It's a hidden gem, Gary who's been talking about it
.

Speaker 8 (02:40:08):
LinkedIn, facebook X, whatever's out there.
I mean LinkedIn, is truly that,not Facebook platform.
There, I mean linkedin is trulythat, not facebook platform.
It's the professional man.
It's so much better.
Please it, if we're notconnected, please connect with
me.

Speaker 5 (02:40:24):
Yeah, I actually so swelling, I actually wrote it
down.
Uh, can you actually spell thatlast?

Speaker 8 (02:40:27):
wetland, yeah, sweatland, s-w-e-e-s-t-l-a-n-d I
was adopted at birth and myparents were like you know what?
He's got red hair.
He's a big kid, we're going tocall his first name Banning.
He's got bright red hair andhis last name is Sweatland.
My dad's like perfect, he'sgoing to have an eternity of

(02:40:50):
problems growing up.
That's what they give to me,man, jokingly.

Speaker 5 (02:40:54):
Obviously Banning is quite a good name.
I'll give you that I appreciateyou, brother.

Speaker 8 (02:40:58):
Thank you very much and thank you for coming on.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (02:41:01):
I can't thank you guys enough for your character
specifically, but yeah, forgiving me the time here today.

Speaker 1 (02:41:05):
Hell yeah, countrygirl asked when we're
getting Long Island Audit on.
That is on Matt.
We're waiting for Matt to getthat linked up because they are
actually buddies, they talk, sowe will get Long Island Auditor,
hopefully, because he said hecould get them, so we're just
waiting.
It's Sean Paul Reyes, I believehis name, or Sean Reyes.
Maybe I added the Paul becauseof Sean Paul, but yeah, might

(02:41:29):
have been me.
But everybody else, damien,stick around.
Once we get off here we'll talkoffline.
But everybody else, thanks fortuning in.
Tonight.
We hit about two hours and 40minutes.
This will be posted to ourpodcast page, just the audio.
And thank you guys.
We appreciate it.
Have a good night.

Speaker 8 (02:41:49):
Thank you.

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