Two Cops, One Raccoon: When Pets Take the Evidence

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I am your host, eric Levine,and with me, as always, banning
Sweatland and our special guest,ray Beshears.
Am I saying that correctly, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's close enough, sounds good to me.
How do you say it?
It's?
Well, yeah, it's Beshears Beshe, sir, it's close enough, sounds
good to me.
How do you say it?
Well, yeah, it's Bashir's,bashir's.
Okay, good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
And, yeah, ray is a retired cop and now runs what
you see under his name rightthere Blue Shield Tactical.
So we're going to talk aboutthat.
We're going to talk about alittle bit of Ray's background
and all that good stuff, andthen we're going to get into the
comments.
I'm going to be seeing what youguys got going on and then from
there you guys know why youreally showed up.

(01:29):
We're going to talk aboutpolice body cams that we have
never watched and kind of diginto those live with you guys so
you can ask questions and wepretend like we're the officers
in the body cam video and kindof give you a little insight
behind police training.
So you guys can ask questionsof why would you do that and why
don't cops do it this way, andyou guys know how it is.

(01:50):
Education bridge that gap.
That's what we're looking to do.
So, uh, the floor is yours, ray.
Give people a little bit ofbackground about yourself and
tell them who you are sure, Iwas a law enforcement officer
for 23 years.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I worked in in the DFW Metroplex and I was a
supervisor of internal affairs.
I retired as a supervisor onpatrol.
I worked crimes againstchildren for three years.
I was a member of the TarrantCounty Child Abduction Response
Team.
I'm a second degree black beltin Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
I'm a brown belt in Krav Maga.
I'm the founder of Blue ShieldTactical Systems that we started

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in 2014.
Founder of Blue Shield TacticalSystems that we started in 2014
.
It's been growing.
It's very successful.
We teach for the DOJ COPS grantas well, for de-escalation
across the United States.
And, yeah, I enjoy what I do.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I like it Now.
While you were in patrol, whatwas your top specialty, Like
what was your favorite thingthat you did in police work?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
You know I actually, as force patrol you know it's
not like I concentrated on drugsor anything like that I really
like to catch them, like if Icould catch someone breaking
into something, a burglar, Imean.
That was the big thing for me.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
My guy.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I would creep around at night and I would look to see
if I couldn't find someonebreaking into something.
That was kind of.
You know, I enjoyed that morethan anything.
And then, uh, when I workedcrimes against children, that uh
, that was very rewarding.
You know, uh, that field, ofcourse it's taxing at the same
time, but rewarding.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
What's something that you can tell our audience, um,
about crimes against childrenthat may help them?
Is there any like signs orsymptoms or something like that
that you can tell them to lookout for?
Cause I, from my understanding,I've never worked crimes
against children, but from myunderstanding, a lot of times
it's somebody in their ownfamily and there's signs there

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that people miss.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, it's the vast majority.
But if you have an adult,that's a you know, uncle, a
family member, that's it's thevast majority.
But if you have an adult,that's you know, uncle, a family
member that's wanting to spendalone time with a child, that
may be a sign.
It doesn't mean, you know, youcan't just necessarily point at
one thing and say, hey, here'swhat you need to look for.
But you're right, most of thetimes it's going to be a family

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member that they're.
You know.
Now we have the online issuesthat come about and you know
they need to be aware of whatthe kids are signing on to.
Who are they, who are theychatting with?
Because sometimes it's not akid, it's an adult and they're
looking to find out information.
It's just like when they postonline about you know, their
child and put the child's nameon there.

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They put that they're going tothese ball games and where
they're playing soccer at, orwhatever it may be.
That starts to become usefulinformation for someone who's a
pedophile, who's online lookingto make a connection with your
child.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Ooh, okay, I didn't even think about that, to be
honest Not that I do that, butyeah, that was not something I
really considered.
Again, I don't think like afucking sicko and think, how am
I going to creep on a kid?
So I guess that makes sense.
Acorn, already coming out thegate hot, let's highlight this

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man right now for being sogenerous as to donating five
memberships to the Two Cops OneDonut YouTube channel.
That money directly helps thechannel.
So, acorn, appreciate you.
Brother.
Love the name.
I'm not sure if you're pickingup on it, ray, but that name the

(05:16):
Acorn Mag Dump is an homage tothe officer who thought the
acorn's falling on the policecar.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I'm very familiar with that video.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So I always get a kick out of that when I see that
.
But um, harrison brock said twocops, one donut sometimes is
also a family friend, correct?
That is correct.
Talking about these sickos outthere, um, that's why I couldn't
work that.
Uh, I I have friends that havebeen working crimes against
children for well over five plusyears and I know people that

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have done it their almost entirecareer.
I don't know how you guysmentally handle that.
How do you mentally handle that, ray?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know it's like anything else in law enforcement
.
You kind of have to turn offthe switch sometimes.
Anything else in lawenforcement you kind of have to
turn off the switch sometimesand, you know, kind of pull
yourself back away from it andrealize that I have a job to do.
It's a very serious job and ifI turn on the emotional switch
and become involved in it thatway, even though it's difficult
to do, to not do that, then ittakes part of you and that's why

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I could only do it.
For three years I got to thepoint in my career where I
wanted to reach across the deskand choke the life out of this
person that was sitting acrossfrom me and I told my wife.
I said, if I'm getting to thatpoint in my life, I need to step
away from this and not do that,because I'm not serving anyone
at that point.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Right Banning.
Did you have any experiencewith that stuff?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Having to transport some folks to the PD for
questioning, for people like Raysometimes, and, man, you
wouldn't believe how many deerappear in the middle of the city
.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, joking aside, it's very tough to be
around somebody like that anduphold certain things.
So, yeah, yeah.
So for those wondering the jokebehind deer or popping out in
the roadway, you have your, yourpartition between the police
driver in the police car and thebad guy that's in the back seat
.
That's usually cuffed up andproperly buckled in yeah, seat
belted in.

(07:31):
Well, some of these uh guys liketo figure out a way to get out
of their seat belt or get thecuffs in front of them and
they'll put their face right upnext to the glass that's in
between, or the hard plastic,and so you know if squirrels and
dogs or whatever, happen tojump out in front of your car
and you have to hit the brakesreal hard.
Well, you know, they have tosuffer the consequences for you

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trying to keep them safe and notget an accident.
They end up hitting their faceagainst them and again that was
just a little little humor.
That's jokes, guys.
Relax now.
I fully admit I do know cops inthe 90s that probably did that
shit.
But yeah, that's old school,old school shit.
Tom Smith on what's up?
Brother, he's always jumping onsaying what's going on Talking

(08:14):
to Tom over here today.
Good people, nice, nice.
You know, if it wasn't for thatthick New York accent, I don't
know what I would think aboutwhen I'm making love to my wife.
So that's for you, tommy, I gotyou.
Buddy, don't worry, thetequila's hitting hard.
Are you drinking tequilatonight?
I am.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I'm just I'm boring tonight I'm sipping on some
Gatorade, yeah you lie.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
You lie like a dog.
I'm drinking.
I got another drink over herehere, but it's just beer.
I'm drinking suavecito, so trythat out.
Um summertime I like to switchover to tequila.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
What you got, ray well that, oh no, it's nothing
but pepsi baby, that's all it isif I were to drink alcohol
after teaching all day and comeup here and be with you guys and
drink alcohol, who knows whatwould come out of my mouth.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
All right, that's what I'm talking about.
That's the way I want to see.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Hey, don't.
Hey, I'm the dude.
Could have walked in here witha coconut and a straw in it.
You never know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah.
I do, I do like my coconutwater yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I got.
I got a picture of thatsomewhere I still drink it.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I like uh, I like coconut water too, myself.
Um, now, yeah me, uh, this iswhat's been going on with me
guys, um, the last two days.
So, for those that don't know,I got a new position within my
department.
Um, I will no longer be on thestreets, I am going to be in the
real time crime center.
So that's going to be my newjob.

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I will still be working nights,but for the next two or three
weeks I'm going to be trainingon days.
So my schedule is all jacked up.
And on top of that, monday andTuesday, today I had to do alert
training, and alert training islike how to respond to active
shooters, and this course hadsince been updated, since Uvalde

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.
So I got to learn a lot aboutthe things and stuff that
happened in Uvalde, um, that Ididn't know and where it went
wrong and how we've adjusted and, you know, made things better
from there and, uh, so it wasreally good training.
Um, we did a lot of sim roundswhere you shoot each other with
these little paint bullets andthey hurt, um, luckily, the

(10:27):
teams that I was with.
We did, we did pretty well.
We didn't, we didn't get hit.
Um, I didn't get hit.
Some of them got hit, but Ididn't get hit, so good stuff.
Uh, acorn mag dump said Eric,I'm really working at getting
smoke wagon to sponsor this.
This not helping, hey, man, Igave him a good run, four years

(10:47):
of this show.
I gave him a good run likesummertime.
I'm switching over to sometequila, like they.
They didn't appreciate what Ihad, so it is what it is us.
Brad says you want some cheesewith that wine, eric, I know
right, I am being a whiner.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
fair enough, I'm actually a fan of the captain
morgan myself oh, you and mywife would get along.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's what she drinks, captain morgan, and coke
zero yeah, exactly yeah, that'sa drink, you know, and if she
can find a little bit of lime inthere with it.
So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I Idon't mind rums, I'm.
I like things straight though,uh, with an ice cube.
So I find sipping tequilas,sipping bourbons, sipping
whiskeys sipping rums, thatspecial ice cube maker though

(11:32):
right I do, yeah, this thing,well, I might be able to sip in
my 20s, but now I'm down 50.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Uh, sipping is no longer an option no, no my
stomach can't take it.
Oh okay, fair enough.
Yeah, sipping is no longer anoption for me, at least not
straight.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Mr Bill is on and I want to say hello to him, but I
want to put out there that hecreated a new drinking game that
any time Steve Ladner jumps onand says self-proclaimed heroes
or what was the other one, bill,um, I can't remember the other
part, but anytime he says thatyou guys got to take a drink, uh

(12:11):
, just like every time, marineblood doesn't get a account.
Uh, membership, you guys got adrink, so we got drinking games
on the show.
Uh, they just kind of developedon their own so.
So I love it, but all right.
So, guys, we're 12, 15 minutesin Bannon.
You got any updates with you?
What's going on, what you gotplanned for the TCOD?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
crowd?
No man.
I'm heading out to Arizonalater this month.
Okay, probably see my boy,frank, and I'm going to try to
swing over and say hello to MarkLamb while I'm there.
Okay, I've got some businessstuff going with Mark 43 out
there.
It's going to be a good time.
Anytime I travel for thecompany I work for, it's an

(12:55):
outstanding time and there's nobetter company to work for?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, Harrison Brock, how many non-members are
watching the stream before Istart doing memberships?
I have no idea, brother.
I don't know how to tell thosetype of numbers.
So Anthony Myatt jumped on.
He said I'm in.
It looks like he paired off ofyours there, Banning.
I don't know if no.

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Okay, I was just checking tosee if Ray linked his LinkedIn.
So, Ray, you also have yourBlue Shield Tactical.
So, since this show is abouteducation and how we like to
point out on here when officersdo really good things, we also

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point out when officers do badthings, and most of the time we
can point towards the bigelephant in the room and that's
training.
Training is a lot to do withwhen officers screw up.
I think ego is another bigthing that falls into place.
When officers screw up, youknow not having confidence in
their training and reverting tothe ego.

(14:01):
So those are things that I liketo point out.
But you've got Blue ShieldTactical Systems.
I'm going to pull that up.
Can you explain why you createdthis and what it does?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, we're a tactical-based company.
Obviously it's in the nameitself, but we specialize in
defensive tactics training.
We do search and entry forpatrol.
We teach for the DOJ COPS grantfor de-escalation.
Our instructor for that isJason Taylor.
He's a subject matter expertfor the state of Missouri for

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de-escalation training and weteach leadership with just a
little bit of everything.
At one point we taught dronesas well.
We no longer offer dronetraining because that's just an
expanding segment of lawenforcement that's moving so
fast and the technology ischanging on a regular basis.
But yeah, we offer activeshooter training, matter of fact

(14:56):
.
You just mentioned alert andsome of the training there, but
we offer single officer activeshooter training and we also
offer an instructor course forcivilians when it comes to
active shooter training as well.
So that way they can train theirlocal church or their local
business, those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Nice.
Now the stuff that they learnso let's say, a cop were to get
this is all the stuff they learnin their course.
Is that the only time they canget a hold of that instruction?
Or is there videos and books?
Sure.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
We provide an illustrated instructor manual
that comes with photos.
It has arrows on what to do.
It has a little suggestionboxes on teaching.
We don't just teach technique,we teach you how to be a better
instructor, and so that's whatwe focus on.
Also, the articulation of force, which is extremely important.
I mean, you can go and teachtechnique, but it's just a tool.

(15:52):
You have to learn now.
When can I use that technique?
When can I, when can I do this?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Okay, legally Excellent.
Okay, and you got a list of allthe departments you've trained.
I like it Very cool, awesome.
So if a department wants to geta hold of you and wants to get
some training or check out orget some questions answered, do
they just reach out here on thewebsite?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, they just go through blueshieldtacticalcom
and just email us from there.
We provide two free slots forhosting, so it doesn't cost your
agency anything to host.
Most companies do that orsomething very similar.
Free slots for hosting, so itdoesn't cost your agency
anything to host.
There's most companies do thator something very similar.
And then we make sure that allthe training is reported to the
state.
For TCOLE or like in the stateof Missouri, we replaced PPCT.

(16:37):
We're now in two differentpolice academies there in the
state of Missouri where theyonly teach blue shield defensive
tactics, and so that's growingas well.
We're in North Dakota right now, or at least I'm in North
Dakota.
That's what's behind me.
This is not something I wouldhave.
This is a hotel room.
I'm sitting in Okay.
But yeah, I'm in here in NorthDakota right now teaching this

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week, and then we'll be headedto Colorado after that.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, very nice.
Yeah Well, so you're actuallyone of those people that are
physically out there teachingand training, um, when it's your
specialty, correct?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, you know I uh, I started the company from from
nothing and built it up, my andwe've been in business now for
uh 12 years, so it's it's beenquite some time and uh, but, but
teaching is my passion.
Teaching is what I enjoy, youknow, and that's the thing about
how many you and I both know,and I'm sure all three of us can
attest to this we know peoplein law enforcement that go and

(17:33):
get an instructor license,instructor certification Right,
but actually never teachanything Right.
So we, we have people that cometo our course and that's what
we want them to do is go backand better their agencies, and
we want them to teach.
So, you know, teaching is ascary thing, though, too, for a
lot of people, because it's newto them and when they have to
get up in front of people andthey're afraid of judgment, you

(17:53):
know, and speaking, and so it'sextremely important to get past
that and teach them how to bebetter instructors and relay
that message to their agency andget them to where they start
training on a regular basis.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I like it.
Before I press, I got a coupleof questions.
One's going to be for Banning,but thank you, magdump, for your
second membership purchases.
You did another five Guess whodid not get one Marine Bloods.
So everybody drink.
Look, ray was already on top ofit.
He's like I got you, um, slamthis Pepsi, uh.

(18:27):
But Magdump said we really needto grow this channel.
I want to see 50,000subscribers like humbly.
That would be amazing.
I would love to see that, um,but that can only happen, uh,
with your guys' help.
So if you can get one personlike that, that really does help
us do what we're doing.

(18:47):
But I would like to see 50,000rooted, loyal people that are
here just because they believein the cause, not because
they're just trying to give us anumber, because I think we're
sitting at almost 14,000 rightnow and I think we have a really
cool core crowd.
So let's just keep.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
What's the Instagram sitting at now?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Instagram's at 151,000, almost 152.
Facebook is at about 115,000.
So we've got a lot of followerson our social media platforms.
We've got to convert them overto the YouTube channel.
So that would be really nice,but no, I appreciate it.

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Now, as far as instruction goes, ray, I want you to tell me,
along with you, benny, benny,have you been an instructor
before I take it?
You have, yeah, I'm a T-coach.
Okay, so I found like,especially with jiu-jitsu, when
I started to teach it, I becameso much better at it Not

(19:53):
teaching, I did get better atteaching, but I became better at
jiu-jitsu because I waslearning it in a different way
that I didn't expect.
And it was the same with policework when I became an academy
instructor.
So Banning did.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
It was the same with police work when I became a um
academy instructor.
So, banning, did you find thesame thing when you started
teaching?
Yeah, for me it was alwaysrehearsing the night before
going through whatever corecurriculum class, to, to
clearing a building, to, to whathave you?
Uh, with the nonprofit I have,and you know, it's just yes,
because I'm slowing myself downand it's repetitive motion.
If it's something physical orif it's knowledge based, you

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know reading it over and overand over again just to
re-instill it.
And you know, if you.
You know, in the state of Texas,if you're going to be a TECO
instructor, you're consideredthe master of said subject and
there's always going to besomebody else that knows it more
.
But if I'm going to be up infront of a class teaching
something, I want to be able toanswer those questions when the
hands come up, or after classdiscussions or during a break.
I don't want to say, um, let meget back to you.

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I want to know as much as I can.
So, yes, becoming an instructorfor each subject or any subject
that I taught, I became more.
I'll never call myself a masterin anything, but I'll be better
and better each time I do it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
You can't even say master bedroom anymore.
I heard that's a new thing.
You can't say that, that'swrong.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So that simply needs to provide me a list of all the
new pc words I know all thethings I can say I mean, my
entire childhood's beendestroyed by pc.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Like I can't say a lot of yeah, yeah, I agree, uh.
But, ray, what's your thoughtson teaching versus?
You know when you were learning?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
You know, they kind of go hand in hand.
I mean you have to be a goodstudent to be a good teacher, I
think, and I still learn.
I learn from my students when Iteach as well and but's also
about.
It's about building thatrapport, you know, with your
students and so where they getto, where they trust you.

(21:50):
It's like I tell officers thatcome through our defensive
tactics instructor courses andgo back to their agencies, I
said I'm very fortunate to beable to teach you.
I said because you signed upand want to be here, right?
I said, but when you go back toyour agency, they don't want to
be there.
There's so many of them thatdon't want to show up to
training and don't want to do it.
I said so there's the key to beable to build that rapport.
So they're having fun indefensive tactics.

(22:12):
They see it as something thatthey can get a buy-in into.
And now they want to go out andthey want to use it.
I said and then, when they douse it?
Because what are we all afraidof?
You know, when we go to amartial arts or any kind of
martial arts class or ordefensive tactics class in a law
enforcement setting.
You're afraid of being injured.
You're afraid of.
You're afraid of being demeaned.

(22:32):
You're afraid of looking likeyou like, you can't perform in
front of your peers.
Those are all fears that comeup because we're all human
beings and at the end of the day, we can reduce those fears down
for the people that come intoour classroom and now we can say
look in here, we're not here tohurt you, we're not here to
demean you, we're not here tomake you feel less than.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And then now, when they go back, hopefully they're
going to regurgitate that sameattitude to their students, and
so I think it's you know you getback what you put out into the

(23:14):
world, you know, yeah, now I'mcurious in your training of all
these police officers across thecountry and your time in as a
police officer yourself, we seethese issues in policing,
especially when it comes to useof force.
You'll see excessive use offorce, you'll see a failure to
engage.
That's something that I'vecovered more recently.
We've pushed de-escalation sohard at some departments that
their culture has become thatde-escalation push.
And now you see them gettinghurt because they're not

(23:37):
engaging, they're not seeing thesigns.
They haven't seen that it'stime for business, as I like to
put it, and it's time to handleup.
And they're stillsir-sandwiching, sir-sir-lady.
They're trying to show thatthey have overtly tried to
de-escalate and it's gettingthem hurt or it's causing them
to use a higher use of force.
And then you see otherdepartments where the culture is

(23:59):
different, where they may be alittle too heavy-handed and they
need some de-escalationtraining from Blue Shield
Tactical Systems.
And so I'm curious with you andall of these departments what's
the overall vibe that you'regetting with the current push
for the de-escalation training?
And, like what me and Banninghave discussed over the years,

(24:21):
is that's verbal judo that'srepackaged and pushed out, but
what has your vibe been?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
And what problems and good things have you seen?
Well, you know I agree with you.
A shout out to Dr Thompson.
He's the one that came up withVerbal Judo and was
groundbreaking in that.
And you know you're right, it'snot reinventing the wheel at
all.
A lot of the things that arefrom verbal judo are probably in
most of the de-escalationprograms that are out there.
Yeah, but I think here's theproblem too a lot of officers,

(24:51):
when they look at de-escalation,and even civilians and people
out there in the community whenthey're looking at that, they
they look at it as somewhat of amagic bullet.
If I just talk to the person,then I'm going to be able to
calm the situation.
And but that also takes theother person on the other end
being willing to listen to whatyou have to say, being willing

(25:11):
to try to, you know, to buy in,to not resist, to not use force
against the officer, not, youknow, to put themselves in that
situation.
But here's the biggest problemI think that exists when it
comes to the law enforcementside as well is that we look at
de-escalation as a verbal onlything, when it's really not.
De-escalation is also theappropriate amount of force,

(25:34):
used at the appropriate timethat de-escalates the situation
so that a higher level of forceis not used.
And so what I mean is, if weuse force when we should, when
we realize that you knowphysical force is needed now, we
avoid having to hopefully shootthis person and to use an
extremely high level of force orthe highest that we have, by

(25:57):
just using force, by taking themdown maybe when we need to, if
the verbal aspect of it it's notworking.
So I think that's a bigmisnomer is that it's only
verbal.
Just like if I went intosomeone's, if I went into a
school where where someone waskilling kids and I shot and
killed this person and stop themfrom killing your child, I
deescalated the situation.

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I just didn't use the verbalaspect of it.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Right, yeah, that's a good point.
It is.
De-escalation in itself isn'tjust verbal, and the way that I
kind of explained it is thatI've had to slap.
I'm a big fan of the slap.
I don't know why Everybody'sgot their tool, that they their
go to.
And before I continue, I dowant to tell Harrison Brock
thank you very much, brother.

(26:41):
He helps us out every week.
If you guys haven't paidattention, harrison brock buys
memberships every week, so Iwant to give a big thank you to
him.
He tries, he tries to do like20 at a time, but for some
reason youtube's like no, I'monly gonna let him do five.
So, uh, but no, you're, you'reabsolutely right.
I want to tell people, likeI've told the show, that I've

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slapped people and taken themdown and put them in cuffs and
dust them off, and they hadn'ttouched me.
But what they did do was I toldthem several times put your
hands behind your back, you'reunder arrest.
Put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest.
They didn't do it.
And the next thing I know, theydrop their right leg back.
I see their fist pumping.
I don't want to say clench.

(27:24):
People don't just hold theirhand like this, but what they
will do is they'll do this.
I'll see this.
This is a sign for nobody, forpeople out there that have never
been in a fight.
If you see somebody doing thisshit with their hand and they're
arguing with you, and then youstart seeing their, they stop
talking and their jaw starts toclench, these are all indicators
.
They're about to rock yourworld.
So be ready.
But me, as a cop, I don't haveto wait.

(27:50):
If I start seeing those signsand I can articulate like this
is why I slapped him.
Well, guess what?
The worst thing he's going toget is that slap and he's going
to go to the ground.
He might get scraped up alittle bit.
I'm going to put him in cuffs.
Well, guess what?
The slap deescalated thingsbecause if I allowed him to
start swinging and hit me, well,my use of force is going to go
up.
I'm going to switch over totaser pepper spray baton.
Who knows, if he rocks me witha hit I may get so dazed I

(28:11):
switch over to my gun because Ithink I'm going out Like you
can't allow that to happen.
So a slap can be ade-escalation, because I handled
business right then and there,versus trying to talk my way out
of it.
And it's different with everysingle call.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think also what people don't realize is you can
be preemptive, just as a citizencan as well.
For instance, I'm retired nowI'm no longer in law enforcement
, so I'm very fortunate that Idon't have to put on a uniform
and go out there and deal withsome of the things that we've
all dealt with in the line ofdoing that job.
But what I'm getting at as acitizen, if I, if I got out of

(28:53):
my car, I'm walking into thegrocery store and I got a guy
starts yelling at me, as long ashe's keeping his distance away
from me and not coming at me,hey, everything's cool, you can
yell at me all day.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I don't care, but as soon as he starts coming at me
and closing the distance.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
He's closing the distance for a reason he's not
coming in to hug me, he'sclosing the distance for a
reason.
So I can be preemptive and Ihave the articulation to strike
this individual when he comesclose enough to me before he
strikes me, based on what he'sdoing and based on him yelling
at me and everything else, justas a law enforcement officer can
do the same thing if they havean individual who is giving
signs of, hey, I'm going toassault you, like you were
talking about making a fist andthose kind of things, and then

(29:34):
yeah, then we can go ahead anduse Taser, we can go ahead and
use something to de-escalate thesituation so we don't have to
use that higher level of force.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I like Jeff Parrish's comment here because
he's outside of law enforcementbut he works like law
enforcement in a way.
He said having worked in amental health nursing facility
for 14 years.
I agree, verbal de-escalationdoes not always work.
It's always best to start withAgreed, if time allows.
I think that's an importantpart of that, because sometimes
time does not allow.

(30:03):
Uh, and then centurion tacticalsaid it's very simple ask, tell,
then make them.
I used to believe that.
I used to think that way.
Um, and I think that that hasbeen outdated.
Um, I agree, I am not.
If again, it really just dependsif I ask and and then I see

(30:26):
it's going south really quick,they're closing distance.
I keep trying to push them back.
I'm going to then tell them andif they start closing the
distance, I'm going to make them.
Yes, but in certain situations,when it's a 70-year-old lady
who's got a little bit of Karenand a little bit off her rocker
and she keeps doing that, I'mnot going to ask Karen and a
little bit off her rocker andshe keeps doing that, I'm not
going to ask, tell, make a sevenyear old woman.

(30:48):
I'm going to ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask and
just try my damnedest to to getthis person because it's you're
not going to win.
It doesn't matter what happens,you're not going to win.
That if you ask, tell, make ona seven year old lady Banning,
you look like you got somethingto say, buddy.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
No, you, just you have to square it up pretty
quick just for everybody that'sinvolved.
And some people can say, oh,that's violent or that's you
know, and we do it as the leastforce used to overcome what is
coming or what is about to come.
A lot of people don'tunderstand that what is about to
come when you go to severalvolatile calls, man, you can

(31:31):
make me turn red Volatile callsSorry.
You get to start reading peoplea lot more.
I'm sure there's calls that Rayand I have been on where we
both had to act quickly beforesomething else were to happen
For those who don't know, Rayand I worked together for years,
so it was outstanding workingnext to this gentleman, harrison

(31:53):
Brock, said can you tell whensomeone has neurological
disorders?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's not that I can look at somebody and go, oh,
they have a neurologicaldisorder.
I just go something's not rightwith this guy.
I go off the spidey sense and Ipreach this to cops Like with
the hairs on the back of yourneck stand up If you're getting
a feeling something's off.
And one of the critical onesthat I like to point out is a
Sonia Massey case.
You could tell something wasoff right away.

(32:22):
This woman's off her rocker.
There's some sort of mentalissue going on there.
I don't know what it is.
I'm not a doctor.
Something's not right.
So in that I would have beengone.
I would have left well beforethat poor lady ever got shot.
So um is what it is.
Uh.
So I would like to say that MrBillfold's drinking game is

(32:43):
often kicking.
I've seen it several times, butI'm not giving it any attention
.
So just know that I'm beingstrategic.
I'm sure Mr Billfold willappreciate that.
I see he's posting up there.
Drink, he said instead of aslap, do some Miyagi-Do karate.
I love it.
I'm going to do some Tiger Fang.
I don't know if you guyswatched.

(33:04):
Did you watch?
You can do the dim mock.
The death, yeah, the death,blow off of.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Bloodsport.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Bloodsport, Bloodsport.
Do you guys ever watch thatMcDojo crap that comes out?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Oh, yes, I love it.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I get a kick out of it.
People send me this stuff andI'm not an expert like what
y'all are.
I just grab, wrap up and taketo the ground.
Ray has taught me most of thestuff that I knew in law.
Once he started advancing, hestarted advancing the entire
department and tell you whatit's been used.
You know, even when I left thatagency and went to another
agency that does no, I think thetraining at the other agency

(33:40):
they went to was just going tobuffets.
However, you still have to usesome training on the street and
I was able to take the trainingthat I learned from Ray over the
years and continue to use that,so highly recommend it.
I wanted to hear that.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Ray, could you picture his big ass being on the
map?
I would be pissed.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
He's the size of a house.
I would be a black belt.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Ray has wrapped me up like a friggin' pretzel.
I'm going to tell you right now, when I was getting out of K-9
and getting back into patrol, Ithought my shit didn't stick.
I was like man, I just wentthrough a great career at K-9.
I got a lot of dope pops, had alot of fun.
Now I'm getting back intopatrol and, like shit, I've got
more responsibilities that I'vegot to retrain myself on ie,

(34:26):
dwis, stuff like that normalpaperwork, actually transporting
prisoners to the jail, shitthat I didn't have to deal with
for years.
But then we got to do theseclasses and I'm going to say the
agency that we worked for inNorth Texas.
Let me tell you we got to trainmore than a lot of other
agencies our size, and theofficers that only stayed at
that agency and didn't reallyexpand their bounds don't
realize how good we truly hadthat.

(34:47):
That kept a lot of us alive andif they know it or not, I can
tell you that that's kept mealive in situations Now being a
deputy out here in ruralfriggin' nowhere, for a two to
three hour response from abackup, the training that I
received at that agency uh, keptmy heart beating, you know.
So I will.
I will praise it from themountaintops that, uh, that

(35:09):
every officer needs to gothrough at least a basic version
of it and stay.
The big thing is to don't checkthe box.
Go through the training once.
Stay friggin consistent with it.
You will lose it.
You will.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You have got to stay using it you know, what's funny
is I had a guy that severalyears ago well it's been quite.
He had started with us, he wasnot in martial arts and he came
to our defensive tacticsinstructor class and then when
he left that he decided hewanted to get into Brazilian Jiu
Jitsu and he just now just gothis brown belt in Brazilian Jiu
Jitsu.

(35:40):
But what got him started intotraining was just coming to our
class and having fun andrealizing that, hey, this can be
fun and it should be Any kindof thing we do in life.
If we're enjoying it and we'rehaving fun doing it, man, we're
going to want to do it more, youknow.
And so, yeah, it should be thatway.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, I just want to point out, ray, you might not
know this, but Michelle Jones ismy mom, mom and she never
misses any of these, uh, theselives, and she said that it
doesn't work.
I used to ask till make eric toclean his room and I just want
to tell you when my mom tells meto clean my room, uh, and you
don't do it, and you don't do it, and you don't do it.

(36:19):
She throws all your shit in thedriveway.
And I I don't just mean yourclothes, I don't just mean you
know your, I was in high school.
So toys, you know, battinggloves and baseball bats and all
that stuff.
She threw every fucking thing.
I owned, owned Everything.

(36:39):
My room was empty Dressers, Imean bed, bed frame.
She threw everything in thedriveway because I didn't clean
my room.
She, she asked tell mate?
And uh, she got past the makepoint and uh, yeah, yeah, she
threw all my shit outside.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I'll tell you this I think I was too afraid of my
mother.
Uh, because if she came inthere the second time, she was
bringing an ass whipping withher, and so I kind of knew that,
hey, if she told me once Ibetter get in there and get
started cleaning, otherwise, ifshe came in again, it was not
going to be good for me.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yep, yeah.
So I see some people arementioning Uvalde in the
comments and I just want to sayI went through this new alert
training, which has been updatedsince Uvalde, and we learned a
little bit that I've never seenin the media.
I don't know, I don't knowanybody that works there, but
one of the things that reallyfell apart and you guys may know

(37:38):
this, you may not, but I justwant to put this out there there
there was a lull in amisguidance of information.
Some officers, when theyarrived, they were under the
impression it was a barricadedperson, which we have different
responses for a barricadedperson versus an active shooter.

(37:59):
The way that we have beentrained with active shooters is
the main focus is stop thekilling.
So you have to get in there.
You have to go in all byyourself or whoever's with you,
whatever it is, get in there.
Well, when they arrived, therewas no shots being fired when
they arrived, and then they getin there and they think they're

(38:21):
dealing with a barricaded person.
Little did they know a lot ofthe shots had already been fired
, there was a lot of injured anddead kids and they didn't know.
So they thought they weredealing with a different
situation than what they were,and this is why a lot of it
falls on the person that was incommand, because these this
information wasn't beingdivulged.
Now, I'm not going to sit hereand be a uvaldi expert.

(38:43):
I'm just telling you what I wastold um by people that learned
and created training based offwhat happened there.
So, um, the training I received, uh, the last two days was
amazing and, uh, I feel totallyconfident in what they're
training out there for responsesto things like that.
So, hopefully it never happensagain, um, and then, uh, who?

(39:04):
Oh, centurion tactical.
I think this is the first thatI've seen centurion tackle, but
he, uh, not the name, but I'mthrowing out some gifts.
So, thank you, centurion,appreciate that.
Uh, again, what you've done has, one, helped people be able to
see more of what we do.
And two, um, the money goesdirectly back into the show,
doesn't go into banning's pocket, doesn't go into my pocket,
goes right back into doing show.
It doesn't go into Banning'spocket, it doesn't go into my

(39:25):
pocket, it goes right back intodoing what we do to help pay for
all the software monthly costsof the actual show itself.
So I appreciate that.
And then I'm looking throughthe people that got accounts,
got memberships, one of whichNeva, who's always in the
comments talking.
Appreciate that person, eventhough we don't always see eye

(39:46):
to eye.
And then SF.
I've seen comment a few timesEduardo Alonso, not sure I
recognize that.
So Andy Fletcher told mystepdad I wasn't cleaning my
room until I got my breakfastonce.
I told him that once.
That's excellent.
And Marine Bloods did not get amembership.

(40:08):
So you guys know the drill.
Love it.
Harrison Brock, two Cops, oneDonut.
What do you think is thetraining problem in Tennessee
where they have had over 700false DUIs proven by blood tests
, and I did hear about thatfinally Looked into that Fucking
crazy.
I don't know.

(40:29):
I don't know what happenedthere.
I don't know how something thatbig falls through the cracks,
or if that's a training issue,if that's a corruption issue, if
that I don't know what that is.
I have no answer for you.
I would be talking.
Go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I would tell you, I think that it's a lack of
supervision, it's a lack ofaccountability, because there
there is a supervisor that'soverseeing this person doing
these DUIs and these DUIswhichever one you want to call
it in your state yeah, but, andalso the accolades that comes
with that Understand.
There's a lot of these officers, and I'm not saying that this
is across the board, but ifthey're getting accolades from

(41:09):
Mothers Against Drunk Driving,they're getting accolades from
the different organizations thatdo great work that are out
there right, then they want more.
Some of those want more ofthose accolades, and so they may
get to be blur of the line asfar as who they arrest, because
they want to, you know, to beable to have those that
notification or notoriety thatcomes from being the number one

(41:32):
in the state for for DUIs orDWIs.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
And so we have to kind of move away from that a
little bit.
Encourage us that to happen,but then oversee and make sure
that we're arresting the rightpeople and when we should arrest
them.
Oversee and make sure thatwe're arresting the right people
and when we should arrest them.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yep, steve Ladner.
I'm going to read your question, buddy, because you did it
nicely.
Steve's one of our.
He's just one of our trollsthat doesn't learn.
But when he comes correct, Ilike to reward correct.
And he said why are we expectedto pay people huge salaries and
benefits if they have no dutyto protect anyone but themselves

(42:07):
?
Now that is true.
Supreme Court ruled thatofficers do not have a duty to
protect.
Now, with that said, thatdoesn't make you immune from
being fired.
I would say at any department,if you fail to protect, you're
going to get fired.
So there's that In the state ofTexas you can be charged.
I'm not sure about other states, but in Texas you're going to
get fired.
So there's that In the state ofTexas you can be charged.

(42:27):
I'm not sure about other states, but in Texas you can be
charged, which I agree with.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
And to add on that and Ray has experience of being
in that specific office, thatwould be the first to look at it
, while the DA may be implyingto look.
But Ray, can you cap it?
I know it's been some time, butcan you capitalize on some of
those possible Texas chargesthat could come out on uh of not
protecting or not doing theirjob?

(42:52):
You know, conduct them, youknow whatever you want to go, go
over with it.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well, you know, I think what a lot of people don't
realize is there's a processand if you have a complaint
against an officer, then you cango through the process and you
can, you can file that complaintand you know, even after the
investigation is completed youcan even ask for a copy of the
investigation and you can take alook at it and see.
You know what they did, whothey spoke to, who they talked
to about, you know what happened.

(43:18):
And so it's not quickly, it'snot overnight by any means.
You know we'd like immediateresults but you know they have
several cases, numerous cases,that they're looking at at the
same time and so they'll get toyou and your complaint, but it
may not be immediately.
It just depends on what it isand the seriousness of your

(43:38):
complaint that you may have.
But yeah, even in the state ofTexas we're required, you know
supervisors are required to pulla video of an officer at a
random video and just take alook and just for checks and
balances, to make sure thatthey're doing the right thing.
You know, any profession isgoing to have issues and we all
know that, and it's what we doafter we find out those issues

(44:00):
and we try to correct them andwe can correct it with training
a lot of times.
As long as it's not a characterflaw or some kind of ethical
issue, then we can correct itthat way, hopefully, but
otherwise, yeah it's.
It's just going to take timeand there's a process to make a
complaint or an officer if youhave an issue, and that's what
you should do if you feel anofficer has violated your rights
in some way or done somethingthey shouldn't have done.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, nevaeh it.
Yeah, um nevaeh I'm.
I hope one day she posts likethe how do you, when you type
out like how something'spronounced?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
what is that called the pronunciation?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
pronunciation.
Yeah, I hope she tells me thepronunciation.
Is it nevaeh?
That kind of that's what I'mseeing in my head.
Nevaeh, I actually have a niecenamed nevaeh.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, I don't know if it's exactly that way, but yeah
, okay, so it's an unusual namethough.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
But she said and this is kind of an interesting take
Well, it's their duty and theiroath to uphold the laws of the
Constitution of the US and theirstate.
Protecting us is not their job.
It's a fair take.
Actually, I like that take job.

(45:09):
It's a fair take.
I actually I like that take.
Now, when I took the oath twice,I can tell you, because I did
it for the military and as a cop, I will tell you that my
intention was to put my life onthe line.
I never thought of it that wayand you haven't changed my mind.
But I don't want to.
I don't want to die.
I don't want to have to get infront of a bullet, but Valhalla

(45:29):
awaits.
That's kind of the way I see it.
If I have to run into a schoolor do what it takes.
That's my mentality.
I can't say that for every cop.
I don't know why you did whatyou did or what you thought
while you were swearing an oath,but for me, even though I get
what she's saying mine is toprotect with my life if

(45:54):
necessary.
Magdump said two cops, onedonut.
Do you agree, personally, thatLeo should have no duty to
protect?
No, I think they should have aduty to protect.
I think.
I think absolutely, ray.
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Well, I mean, I mean, yes, all of us that get into
law enforcement, hopefully weget into the right for the right
reason, like you said, and thatis to serve and protect.
We put it on our walls, we putit on our patches, we put it on
the back of our police cars, andbecause it is a motto that we

(46:32):
all look and want to strive toachieve.
And now, does that mean that wecan protect everyone?
Of course not.
I mean, there has to be a levelof each person doing something
for themselves to protectthemselves.
You know, the security on theirhome, or being aware when
they're out, moving around,where they are, and, and so,
because the police can't alwaysbe there.
And so that's what the Supremecourt saying basically is that
you, you, you have some level ofself-protection that you must

(46:56):
do, because they realize that aswell, that the police can't
always be there to protect youor can't always, you know, put
themselves in, in, in, in, inharm's way, to the degree to
where they die, and, and, and,and you survive, or whatever it
may be.
I mean, yeah, we're all willingto do that, and that's why we
do what we do, and so, uh, youknow, there's just a lot to.

(47:16):
It's a tough job.
That's what a lot of peopledon't realize.
It's one of the toughest jobs Ithink in the world to actually
do.
Uh, you know, because there'sso much scrutiny that goes into
it as well yeah, uh, sheactually said how to say it
nevaeh, I think I was.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I think we're close there.
Where did it go?
I lost it and it was phonetics,that's that's the word I was
looking for.
Um, so I appreciate that.
Guys, I'm looking through thecomments right now, where she
actually did the phonetics,phonetics, phonetics, phonetics,
phonetics.
How am I not seeing it?
I just had it.
Anyway, nevaeh, I think that'show we say it.

(47:54):
I hope I'm saying thatcorrectly.
But somebody posted I think itwas Wade revenue generators, not
protectors.
There's been too many cases ofofficers laying down their life
for other people for that toeven make any sense.

(48:14):
So, wade, I know you give usshit on here and keep us on our
toes because you bring up a lotof good points good points but
on that one, I don't thinkyou're necessarily uh going to
win that with me, because I'veseen too many officers that have
put their life on the line andlost trying to protect people.
So, uh, don't agree with youthere, sir.

(48:36):
Um centurion tactical, I havesat down with columbine
survivors and respondingofficers.
The general consensus was neveragain.
How about protect us from badcops?
That would be huge.
And again, this is one of thosethings that I wish I could show
you what I see, and I know thesegentlemen on the board have

(49:00):
seen the same thing.
But just at my department aloneand I say this all the time, I
know I'm a broken fucking record, but I've seen officers fired,
charged um, every single yearthat I've been here, and that's
been since 2012.
You don't hear about it.
Why?
Because nobody gives a shitwhen cops are doing what they're
supposed to be doing.
You only hear about it whenit's somewhat controversial.

(49:20):
So, um, there's plenty ofdepartments out there doing that
they did.
It happens all the time.
Um, there was just one hererecently where, uh, a cop, he
got busted with a couple keys inhis house and um kilos and they
had to go catch him in fuckingpuerto rico, and that was from

(49:42):
an internal investigation.
I mean, that's how this shithappens.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
So you know it amazes me sometimes when I hear that.
I hear people say that and I'lltake it from this point as well
that cops don't come from copplanet, they come from this
planet, they come from thepopulation.
So if all cops are bad, thenwhat's that say about our
population?
Just like every profession hasits issues, guys.

(50:08):
I mean, just like Eric justsaid, you know I've had a good
friend of mine that I've hadinvestigate as an internal
affairs investigator.
You know.
I did my job to be able to dothat and it broke my heart to
have to do that, but that's thejob we get into.
And it broke my heart to haveto do that.
Yeah, but that's the job we getinto.
And if one of us does the wrongthing, there's a process and it

(50:29):
takes time and we go throughthat process and if we have to
terminate an officer, that'swhat we do.
Yeah, that's just not anovernight thing.
They also have a process toeven get their job back and
that's part of the problemsometimes too.
Some of those officers could gettheir job back through a civil
service or something like that,and it just, it just really
depends.
I've seen the good and the badon both sides of that you know?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yep, yep, what was I reading here?
Two cops went on.
I live in the middle of thecounty and it'll take a state
trooper 30 to 40 minutes to getto my house.
Now, that's Banning's expertise, right there.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Harrison elaborate on that?
Do you?
You know, I'm not sure whatstate you live in.
We may have had thisconversation If we have.
I apologize, Talked to a lot ofpeople, but do you have a
county sheriff's office orsheriff's department that also
responds, or a municipality thatassists may have a contract
with the county if the countydoesn't have a big one?
That can also happen, dependingon what state you're in.
I've even seen tribal police,depending on what state you're

(51:23):
in, that will assist city, stateand county units outside of
their jurisdiction.
If they have a clause and anumbrella agreement with the
chiefs, that be.
So I'm not sure what state andyou don't have to put your state
in there, but you can say justyes or no.
I've got a county sheriff'soffice and they're too busy with
other stuff and I have to relyon the state troopers and if
that's the case, I'm sorry thatyou're going through that their

(51:43):
stuff and I have to rely on thestate troopers and if that's the
case, I'm I'm sorry that you'regoing through that.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yep, eddie yaks in the house.
What's up, buddy?
Um, okay, so, um, I think we wewe're almost at an hour.
We haven't watched a singlefucking video.
So, um, I've been adding thesein here lately, some of our um
instagram posts that, uh, arethe latest and greatest that
we've put out.
So I'm going to share thescreen, we're going to watch

(52:07):
this video and we'll discuss alittle bit.
So, you know, get a littlefurther elaboration on how this
did.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
So let's, and, harrison, I see your answer.
Thank you for answering that.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
So let's go here, pulled over by police, how you
doing man Good how you doingbrother.

Speaker 9 (52:25):
It's a weapon in the car.
I'm a cpo holder.
I got you I appreciate that umnice car, but your place looks
fire dude.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Oh dang, no, I forgot about it I just go day by day
registration yeah, license andall that good stuff for me yeah,
I got you how's your day goinggood?

Speaker 9 (52:41):
man feel that I feel like I'm breaking my back trying
to bend over.

Speaker 8 (52:47):
Bro, this car is so low.
I know I think I've seen thiscar around before.
Is there another like lightblue Lamborghini around here?
It's probably this one.
I come out here a lot.
Do you get like?

Speaker 9 (52:56):
different pay, jobs or something.
I had a crazy wrap last time.
Okay, that's what.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
I'm thinking, yeah, last time, okay, yeah, yeah, if
I had a crazy wrapping.

Speaker 9 (53:03):
I'd change it to this one.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
Let me see give your cpl as well yeah okay, yeah, you
hold on these two, all right,I'll be right back, all right,
for sure just the inconvenienceto pay a tax.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
This was another.
All right, we'll pause it there.
I hate hearing myself.
So now, this is one of myfavorite videos that I've ever
posted.
Why?
Because one it's a rich dude heowns a Lambo that was a
Lamborghini that he was drivingaround.
Two dude he owns a lambo thatwas a lamborghini that he was

(53:47):
driving around.
Two it goes against thenarrative white cop, black
driver he's got a gun.
He tells him he's got a gun.
Guy doesn't get taken out ofthe car, he doesn't get disarmed
.
The officer hands it, handlesit professionally.
This is how I see 99.9 oftraffic stops and for me, seeing
that this guy was armed, lethim know he's armed and he was

(54:10):
in violation and admitted thathe was in violation.
So we have all these factorstogether and what ends up
happening?
A warning lets him go.
And they had a greatinteraction Banning.
What do you got?
It is.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
A lot of the times people are only going to post
something that's negative, and Iget it.
Is A lot of the times peopleare only going to post something
that's negative, and I get it.
There's a lot of negativethings that go on across the
country, but there's stuff likethis going on literally every
hour and I'm not going to get inarguments with people, but it
does.
That was my job.
I had to review body camerafootage of my guys when I was at
the city and when I was at thecounty and the majority 99.9% of

(54:45):
the stuff going on out thereand the interactions are amazing
.
And for this young man that isobviously successful in life and
, whatever he does, decided topost this Cause, this, this
camera, as y'all can see, is inhis car, it's coming from his
account and he decided to post agreat encounter and I applaud
the young man for putting it outonline.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yup, I love the fact that his biggest gripe at the
end was the fact that he doesn'tthink he should have to pay for
his registration.
I'm like, bro, you're driving aLambo, it's a drop in the
bucket, oh geez.
But, ray, what's your take onthat?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
No, I thought it was great.
I mean, you're right, moststops are like that.
Most stops have that type ofinteraction.
They really do.
Most people are polite.
Most people don't throw cellphones up in front of our faces
and say I'm recording you andthose kind of things, which is
fine if they do, because we'rerecording as well.
But yeah, I thought it wasgreat.
I thought it was great on himto post that.

(55:47):
Like Banning said, you know, Imean most people just only want
to post the negative.
They don't want to post thepositive interactions they have,
because that doesn't get clicks.
You know, right, and uh and uh.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
but I think that what he did should get clicks
because that shows what themajority of interactions
actually look like with lawenforcement yep, yep, I'm giving
country girl some shit tonightshe's she didn't know what cpl
meant and so everybody's tellingher and I said I guess she's
not very constitutional tonight.
Sorry, country girl, I'm justmessing.
You know the argument that'sgoing to come back on you.

(56:13):
On that right, I know theydon't need to have a CPL because
it's constitutional.
I know.
I know, welcome to Texas.
You don't need one.
I get it.
I'm just giving you shit.
All right, don't beat me up.
I have a feeling she could, soI'm looking through the.
Let's see what Steve had to say.
I didn't even read it.
Super Trooper seen the cameraand knows a man driving a

(56:36):
$250,000 car will hire anattorney and make his life
miserable.
No, not at all.
Go to Florida.
I think Fletcher said itearlier.
Go to florida.
They pride themselves inpulling over supercars because
florida gets a ton of them andthey drive in huge packs and

(56:56):
some of them drive little littleass assholish la and las vegas
and reno, yeah, yeah, you knownothing that.
I've never pulled someone overgoing.
Oh my god I bet this guy's got.
Yeah, same thing about LA andLas Vegas and Reno.
Yeah, yeah, I've never pulledsomeone over going.
Oh my God, I bet this guy's gota really good attorney.
Never once in my life done that.
I'm always like dude.
This guy's driving.
If I pulled you over, you'redoing something I would never do

(57:18):
.
Let me put it that way, becauseI'm not a ticket guy.
I don't write tickets.
If I pulled, pulled you over,you did something I wouldn't do,
because I'm not a hypocrite cop.
If you were speeding, I speedtoo, guys.
Uh, I'm not pulling you overspeeding.
Um, now, if you're driving, youknow 80 miles an hour in a
school zone, well, that'ssomething I wouldn't do.
So I'm gonna pull you over.
So, um, there are wholechannels dedicated to cops

(57:43):
snatching supercars.
I know, yeah, yeah, of coursehe would.
Yeah, mr Billfold's got allthose on his bookmark pages.
He's just looking.
He's like Levine, check thisone out, bro.
He lit me up this weekend.
I, I'm like man.
I wish I cause of that training.
I couldn't do shit, likeeverything you guys saw me post.

(58:04):
I had to schedule it.
I couldn't.
I was wrapped up in training,good training, so it was good.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
You buy a fast car for a reason, oh yeah, and it's
just like riding a sport bike.
I mean, you're over that1,000cc sport bike.
Every once in a while you'regoing to want to get on it, you
know.
So when you get caught, justbeg for forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Pull over by a motorcycle cop, don't even
bother, begging yeah don't evenjust go ahead and yeah that
dude's already got that thingstroked out.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
He just needs your signature and he'll be on them.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yep, yeah, that's right.
Motor cops are unforgiving.
Um, we just got in a debate inclass today with a captain over
our motors and we were lightingthem up and we're like, bro,
you're a freaking, you're arevenue generator for the city
and I was like you don't evenget to see any of that money.
I was like how is that I wasgiving him so much shit?
I was like, wow, meanwhile, meand these guys are out there

(59:01):
looking for violent felons.
He's like no we're doing thepublic a service because you
know you got riled up becausethat's.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Did he wear his boots ?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
to class.
He did not wear his boots toclass, but I was proud of him
because as a captain captainsdon't, they ain't dealing with
any of this stuff.
And here he is in alerttraining, learning how to how to
get better.
So what good is training ify'all are not required to know
the law?
We are required to know aReader's Digest version of the

(59:32):
law.
Now here's the thing, steve.
I want to point this outbecause you bring up a good
point.
Guess who also doesn't know thelaw Lawyers, judges.
Guess what they get to do?
They get to refer to the law.
They have an idea of it, butthey don't know it verbatim and
they're not always right oninitial thought.
So guess what they do?
They refer to the law.

(59:53):
Now they're a lot better atknowing where to go, what to
look up and what case lawapplies, because guess what?
That's what they get paid to do.
But for us, we get to learnelements of offenses, which,
again, is just the Reader'sDigest version.
Oh, you stole something, cool.
What law is that that youcommitted?
Oh, you hurt somebody, allright.

(01:00:13):
Which violence law is that?
And then we're going to go lookit up, make sure that they felt
pain as well, yeah.
So if you want your cops to knowthe law as well as a judge or a
lawyer, well, guess what?
You're going to have to requirethem to go to law school.
And now, guess what?
Now you're going to have to paythem for two types of careers
you can't afford.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I can almost guarantee you, all of us have
been there at some point.
I know I was in my career whenI was like I'm pretty sure this
is illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't seem right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And so then I would have to go into the law book and
I'd have to look and I'd go ohyeah, it's legal under this
section, and here's what it is.
No one can know all the lawsguys, I mean that's why,
attorneys specialize in certainareas, like criminal law or
business law or whatever it maybe, because they don't know all
of it as well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
So it's, it's uh, it's humans trying to do a tough
job again the advent and I'mnot going to say a brand of the
company, but the advent of the ecitation.
When it came out was like oh,thank god, right, you can be
like headlight, it's going togive you eight options.
You're like nope, nope, no,there it is, and you know you're

(01:01:24):
gonna find it.
You're gonna get what's calledthe trc code right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I'll tell you this.
I told you, guys, I haven'twritten a ticket in years.
I've never written an e-ticket.
I I know what they are I knowthey exist, but I've never even
written an e-ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I wouldn't even know how to start yeah, that has been
a long time since you've reallyyeah very, very long time yeah,
like I know, the device is inmy car.
There's a printer and all thatcool shit you know, those things
are tough too, by the way,those printers, because I
actually ran over one with thetahoe you did in the parking lot
of the pd, didn't you?
Yeah, I fell off the hood ofthe car and I just ran around

(01:02:02):
over it and it still workedafterwards.
So I mean, I don't know whatthey make those things out of,
but they're tough.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
But you know what it was, though in a positive way.
It wasn't a damage to cityproperty report.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, so hold on.
I got to read this comment.
I just read it, mr Billfold,eric won't let me debate QI,
because I'm going to do it whilecosplaying Randall, the Macho
man, randy Savage.
By the way, mr Billfold, whenwe do get Vaughn on here to talk
about QI, you're going to bethe dude, you're going to be you

(01:02:34):
, and I want to get Kingslayer.
So I'm going to have I'vealready called it out Mr
Billfold and Kingslayer aregoing to be my two anti, and
then I want to have Vaughn andDaniel from police law news as
our pro.
And then, obviously, we needMatt Thornton on here as well,

(01:02:56):
because he's a cop that'sagainst QI, and then I will be
the the.
I'm going to be the moderator,yeah, cause cause I'm on the
fence.
'm going to be the moderator?
Yeah, because I'm on the fenceLike I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Ray, do you know who Vaughn Clem is?
No, I don't know who that is.
He works at Force Science.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Oh, okay, he was an attorney, he's actually working
the Michigan case right now withOfficer Scher.
That the thing's out on.
But I want to get to wadelucero's comment here where he
said elements, uh, and offensesis not the law.
I think what you mean elementsof the offense is not law.
You're right, it is not.
But when you know the elementsof an offense you can find the

(01:03:36):
law, and that's how we operate.
So if you take something from astore, well, that's theft of
some sort and I now I have tofigure out specifically what law
.
And well, that's theft of somesort and I now I have to figure
out specifically what law thatis.
So that's how cops operate.
I know it's weird.
Most people don't know that, Iguess, because you think that
we're thinking of the exact lawin our head.
We're not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
I, you know we may have some people that may say
law enforcement on this channeland I and I invite that that but
how cool in the state of texasthat anybody can stop a
shoplifter.
That's not like that in allstates, it's definitely not like
that out on the west coast, butanybody in the state of texas
can stop a shoplifter.
Um, and I thought that waspretty cool when I got into the

(01:04:17):
police academy that you knowjust your, your, your bag boy or
bag girl that's bagginggroceries for no reason or
whatever.
If he sees a shoplifting go on,he has the power of the state
of Texas behind him to go stopthat individual and summon the
police.
And I thought that was awesomeand I wish more states would do
that, because I don't know abouty'all, but I can't stand a
freaking thief.

(01:04:37):
And then they go into a store.
Now, case by case, you're goingto have people out there that
are coming in and they'rethey're starving.
I mean, like I said, case bycase, but I'm more.
I'm talking like a, a friggingbest buy.
Somebody goes in and grabs afrigging 65 inch TV and they're
going to walk to the doorbecause they're in a state of.
We're just going to let peoplewalk out and report this later
so insurance can take over it.

(01:04:58):
I highly disagree with that.
I'm curious on what y'all thinkthe viewers think on that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
On the whole shoplifting thing yeah,
centurion Tactical said judgesand lawyers not knowing the law.
It's called overturned case orDC judges getting slapped by SC.
So I want to kind of clarifywhat I meant by that is, when
they get the laws or when theyget a case, they have the luxury

(01:05:26):
of time they get to go look upthe case law.
They get to go look up the law.
They get to look up all thesedifferent factors before they
present a case.
Cops don't have that option.
They're out in the field.
They got to know this shit offthe top of their head.
So they're dealing with thereader's digest version elements
of an, an offense.
We learn elements and then wecan go from there.

(01:05:48):
Um, when it comes to trafficlaws, traffic code, whatever you
want to call it again, it goesinto like there's, there's a lot
of stuff that's just you knowspeeding, you know making a, you
know not coming to a completestop.
There's like certain things youjust know.
But even then I got to look uplike what is the traffic code?
I don't have that shitmemorized.
I don't know that.

(01:06:08):
It's traffic code 3.25 orwhatever it is, I don't know.
I told you guys, I don't writetickets, I sure as shit don't
know, um, but all right, let's,uh did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I look, is uh probably what.
What do y'all think?
Oh Jesus, four or five inchesthick.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, 700 and 900 pages long yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
That's just one of them.
Yeah, that's just one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, and then you haven't gotten into federal and
you haven't gotten into statestatutes and city statute and
ordinances and all this shit inordinances and all this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
If you want to complain about laws, complain
about it to the politicians.
Have them to reduce laws andnot create so many new ones.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah, road pirate tax , leech clause, triggered Drink,
love it.
Mr Billfold's on it tonight.
I got to say the community thatwe've cultivated here.
Ray, I like doing these livesbecause I like to educate and do
what we do and talk to myguests, guys like you.
But I will say that having thethe, the crowd that we have now,

(01:07:15):
the regulars like I, lookforward to it just for them.
I love hearing the shit theycome up with.
Uh, oh, marine bloods is in thehouse.
He said hoorah, mr billfold,semper fi, there you go, banning
, give him a hoorah get down,devil dog, give me, I can't do
it because I'm just there and uh, we do I'm just air force.

(01:07:38):
So uh marine bloods, marineblood.
I need you to fix and make surethat your account and if we
have to have Mr Billfold loginto your account just to make
sure, because I think you arecausing people to drink
unnecessarily I think that'swhat's going on there, whoops.
I was trying to click onHarrison Brock's comment.

(01:07:59):
He said two cops, one donut.
There's no reason for a cop toarrest someone for taking photos
in public and calling them apig.
But it happens.
You're right, it does happen,and that's why our page exists
to try to get that shit to stop.
Throw out some education there.
And then I saw one more commentI was trying to get Road Pirate

(01:08:19):
.
Was this it?
David Edmondson said?
Whenever I buy bottled waterand power, they always stop me
to check my receipt.
I always tell them not totackle me and we laugh uh nice,
that's not what I was lookingfor, though.
Give me a second.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I could have swore oh my buggy grabbed by the elderly
person at the Walmart.
You know where.
They grabbed the front of mybuggy and they said hey, I can
see your receipt Right.
Okay, here you go.
You're taking this job a littleserious, but here you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, wade Lucero.
I think this is where Wade andI really get along, because I
was a property crimes person fora few years and still to this
day one of the most satisfyingthings I did was catching people

(01:09:12):
taking other people's stuff um.
But he said I hate thieves andI think banning is right.
I live in california and somestore owners do assault and
don't get charged.
Um, I keep oh uh.
I want to give a shout out toharrison brock.
He tried to do five morememberships and they went
through.
Hey, that's a that, that's awin.
We never know.
That's a good sign.
A lot of good people gotaccounts.
Thank you, harrison.
William Gregg got one.
I know I've seen him commentbefore.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I think California has also realized where they've
messed up when it comes to theftand they've started lowering
the threshold back down as faras how much constitutes a higher
misdemeanor or even possibly afelony, and just because theft
has become rampant yes, yep, um,so all right, I've got uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
I got another video here I'm going to share from our
uh, from our instagram page.
I thought was a good one toshare before we get to our body
cam videos.
So let's go.
Another great interactionbetween the citizen and the
officer.
Officer had a legal reason topull this car over that had an
expired register same one wejust watched, angry and

(01:10:21):
aggressive.

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
Karen you mother I'm sorry, I'm recording.
Why are you yelling?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I'm gonna pause this real quick.
I don't know who this auditoris.
If somebody knows who it is,please put it in the comments.
When I got this video, therewas.
You know how it is it getsshared and dumbed down and added
all this crap to it.
Um, I don't know who thisauditor is and there's no
markings on this video when wegot it.
So shout out to this auditorbecause I think he did a really

(01:10:52):
good job.
But let's, let's keep goingdon't you just relax?

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
no, why don't you get out of here?
No, why don't you go smoke someweed and calm down?
Why are you recording people?

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
just walk away, karen , please first of all my name is
not karen well, what's yourname then?

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
my name's.
I'm gonna kick your ass inabout two fucking seconds please
do it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
Why are you recording ?
Don't, don't, don't make thissomething why are you recording?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
don't do it is something it needs to not be,
because I don't want to be on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
That's a double negative, just saying well, why
would you put your face rightout that?

Speaker 8 (01:11:24):
you mother.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
So, for those that aren't aware what happened, she
tries to slap him.
Uh, and he was ready for itbecause he's a pro auditor and
he had his pepper spray readyand uh, he hits her.
Now I think her glasses atemost of it because she I don't
really see her react, but I'mnot going to lie.
I wish it would have got in hereyes.
What is wrong with you?

(01:11:46):
What is?

Speaker 8 (01:11:48):
wrong with you?
Get the fuck away from me now.
Get away from me now.
Get away.
Get away.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
You know you're going to jail now.
Right, Do it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
That sounds like you were a victim of an assault over
here Are.
That sounds like you were avictim of an assault over here,
are you okay?

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
I'm okay, I'm okay and I'm not looking to press
charges.
Man, I'm not looking to do anyof that.
I'm not looking to do any ofthat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Tell me he's not a freaking Marine.
Look at his hat.

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
That's a Marine rolled hat if I've ever seen one
what I would suggest, becausethey'll never come up and
apologize to me or anything likethat.
If you want to see the video,I'd be more than happy to show
you.
Just from what I got from her,I don't even need to see it.
Honestly, she told me Well, atleast somebody has some common
sense.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
She was going to kick the shit out of you or
something like that, and thenswung at me.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
Yep she said all that .

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
So I mean liked about that was this is an example of
the cop going to the complainant, which was Karen, even though
she said that's not her name.
They go, they talk to her.
She must have said that sheslapped the shit out of him and
was going to try to kick his ass, because the officer comes over

(01:13:02):
and literally says I know youwere the victim of an assault
and goes from there.
So I think it gives a lot ofcredit to how they handled this
call and understanding of thelaw.
Again, we don't know the lawsverbatim, but we understand the
elements of offense and that'swhat I think happened here.

(01:13:23):
Banning what do you got?
No same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
I think law enforcement handled it the best
they could.
I mean, you know, do we onlyhave a victim if we have a
victim, correct?
So we can, we can, and I thinkI saw a bus or, I'm sorry, an
ambulance back there uh,probably treating her.
I'm sure that that spraystarted to intensify Maybe as
she walked away, as she calledthe police and maybe wanted to

(01:13:47):
I'm guessing victimize herself alittle bit.
This guy sprayed me, this videocameraing me, and these people
think that they can't you know,they can't have that done to
them.
But guess what, as soon as youwalk out of your house, ladies
and gentlemen, you're out inpublic and you're getting
videoed from, from banks, fromeverything else, and and I it
sickens me when I see the lawenforcement ones where, hey,

(01:14:08):
come here, you can't video onthat sidewalk over there, and
I'm like where the hell have youbeen living for the past 15
years?
Under a frigging rock or whatso I get it Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Steve Ladner.
This is from Magdump.
He says Steve Ladner Wow man, Idon't count these guys as dirty
cops.
I hate they are legit, tryingto better the profession and
bridge the gap.
Hey, appreciate it, brother.
Somebody said somebody inLinkedIn doesn't have your name

(01:14:41):
but it says first offense ofshoplifting in Georgia for items
under $500 is a misdemeanor.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Damn, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
that's a very large amount, okay.
And it says with potentialpenalties, including fines,
community service and probation.
Uh, texas is a hundred bucks,like you can't under a hundreds
of misdemeanor, then you go intojail.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
So basically, if you take a frigging, uh dozen eggs
you're going to jail um wade.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Lucero said eric, please check out body cam story
to use instead police activity.
I just saw one.
Two cops pulled a paralyzed guyout of his chair trying to tell
him to come on and get up.
Buddy, you're faking.
But he wasn't.
What the fuck?
Okay, where did he say that I'mgonna pull that up, he said.

(01:15:30):
He said check out body camstory.
Is that the name of the page?
I need you to be specific, wade.
Where's that at?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
because I'm gonna look that shit up you know, I
was gonna say in the meantimeI'm talking about the, the, the
woman came up and the guy thatwas recording man.
If you can avoid thosesituations, avoid those
situations, don't go in there.
You know, if somebody comes upand asks you why you're
recording, why don't you justtell them, hey, here's the
reason I'm recording and it'snot you purposely, and just
explain to them what you'redoing, because it's not worth

(01:16:06):
getting into a fight withsomebody or getting pepper
sprayed or having some otherissue.
It's just not worth it.
I mean, when we comeemotionally in charge, uh, it
becomes issues for all of us inour relationships and our
personal lives as well yeah, Iam.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to find this video.
I the problem is when I look atthis stuff, unless you guys
have a page, I get news channels, like right now I'm looking at
CNN, abc 10, nbc 10.
I can't pull those up.
If I pull those up, then ourYouTube video this live will get

(01:16:41):
dinged because we're copyrightproblems.
But if you guys know where thebody cam video is, that's
different.
So I'm looking through rightnow and I'm not.
I see what you're talking about, but I haven't seen it.
So, hold on, I may have found aTikTok.

(01:17:01):
I can do TikTok.
Okay, here we go.
We may have found a TikTok.
I can do TikTok.
Okay, here we go.
We may have it.
Let me share the screen.
Let's see what happens.
I hope it's the right oneCounting on you, wade.
I hope this is the right one.
Let's unmute this guy.
And of course, we're not seeingit from the beginning.
So this is going to be hard forme to judge anything Andy

(01:17:29):
Fletcher said I may have sent itto you about two weeks ago on
Facebook Messenger.
Okay, let me check, andy.
I can check that instead.
While I'm doing that Banning,how about you keep everybody
busy, you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
bet, and I believe Mr Belfold may know where that
video is at with the commentthat he said, so he might be
able to leave you guys email.
He might be able to send thatto you.
Oh shit, real quickly, ray.
While he's fixing that up,where are you going after this?
What's your next trip?

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
The next one will be Crevendale Colorado.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Oh dang.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, I think it's an hour and a half outside of
Denver or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
At least it's not wintertime.
No, I've been there in thewintertime as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Colorado is a beautiful state.
It's expensive to live there,but it's a beautiful state.
I just drove through Montana Iwas talking about that before we
came on and you know it rivalsColorado, you know, as far as
its beauty and and.
But yeah, colorado is abeautiful state, I really like
it and we're going there.
We're going to be teachingground control instructor course

(01:18:36):
there and we've got officerscoming from from all over there.
They're coming to it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
So it's a.
It's a great event.
We're going to have a good time.
That's awesome.
What would you say your averageclass size is when one of your
instructors is and I'm not surethe logistics and how you do it,
but if you go to an agency andyou were and I doubt you're the
sole instructor, but if you are,what is your average class side
of patrol officers or whoever'sattending?

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yeah, you know, we try to keep.
For instance, if I'm going toteach a class for defensive
tactics, we try to keep it ataround 14 to 16 max for one
instructor, and if we startgetting 18 to 20, I'll bring
another instructor to come withus.
And the reason being is becauseI want to make sure that

(01:19:23):
everyone gets the knowledge thatthey want, they get the
interaction that they want, andyou know, because we do provide
a service.
But but yeah, yeah, Somebodysaid I guess it's, I guess
Joseph said it's actually threehours from Denver.
You know Carbondale is.
But yeah, yeah, it's abeautiful area, Denver not so
much.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
And I don't mean to don't throw any tomatoes at me
or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
But yeah, it's a beautiful area, Denver not so
much.
And I don't mean don't throwany tomatoes at me or anything,
but yeah, Denver's not not mycup of tea.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
But anytime you get outside of Denver you know, it's
just great no-transcript.

(01:20:19):
Has that ever been an issue?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
No, we haven't had any issues.
It's been great.
Like I said, we have numerousstates that have approved our
programs, that we have Everyofficer that comes to our
programs gets state credit hours.
That's been fantastic.
Matter of fact, we're actuallyhelping an officer right now
We've been communicating out ofMassachusetts that was fired by

(01:20:43):
his agency for excessive use offorce and, uh, we've been
helping him to uh, you know,hopefully get his job back,
because what we saw didn't itdidn't appear to be excessive
use of force.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Yes, I do, Mr Billfold.
Michelle, your son moves hislips when he reads yes, I do.
Alright, Mr Billfold, set thevideo in.
We got it.
Let me see what happens when webiggie size these weird stuff.
Okay, that looks fine.
Alright, let's.
Actually.

(01:21:16):
Should we do it this way?
That looks better.
Let's go that way.
Alright, here's the video.
Don't say that I don't listento my crowd.

Speaker 9 (01:21:25):
All right, you can come out.
I'm paralyzed, I understand,and I saw that and that's why
I'm asking you know, yeah, youcan talk to me.
So I mean, I'll need to for youto come out so I can talk to
you.
No problem, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Let Hold on.
There's another one where theypull a paralyzed guy out.
How many of these?
Okay?
Well, this is a different one.
So, but you know what?
We're already here, let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
Let's go.
It started as a simple trafficstop is going to devolve into a
completely dehumanizingexperience.

Speaker 9 (01:22:02):
You want me to just jump out?

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
grab me out although it should go without saying the
audacity of the officer todemand that the driver exit the
car, even after knowing that heis paralyzed, as part of the
course for the police come on,oh, okay, hold on, I got this.

Speaker 9 (01:22:25):
Come on, I got you, I got you, I got you.
I got you I got you, I got you,I got you.
Hold your feet, I can't.
I'm paralyzed.
You gonna drag me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
I love that this dude encouraged it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:43):
He can't walk.
He's a paraplegic.
That's not something you have.
Sit right here.
Sit right here.
You gonna set me outside on theground.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
The humiliation and disrespect the driver is being
subjected to in these momentscannot be overstated.
Placing yourself in thissituation, imagine how
demoralizing it would be to gettreated this way, knowing the
circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Now hold on.
Fuck you.
Narrator.
This guy did this intentionallyto entertain himself.
I like this guy.
I know damn well he wanted allright, let's see where the fuck
this.
That's how I am.
I'd be like all right, let'ssee where this guy takes this.
He knew damn well that thisofficer was gonna flop around

(01:23:29):
like an idiot and he's like Iwant to see it.
I like this guy.
That's bad.
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
man, I'm just, I'm just torn up.
I can think of two trafficstops that I've personally had.
And I mean it's you know you?
You've got so many indicators,from a handicap license plate to
a wheelchair attached.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
A wheelchair somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Yeah, to a verbal hello officer I'm paralyzed from
the waist down.
I have handbrakes, everything'sset up on the car.
You know different things likethat and I'm obviously I don't
know Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Ray, anything to add on this yet?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Man.
I don't have a clue what'sgoing on.
I'm still trying to evaluate.
That's a big dude.
I'd have hurt my back trying toget that dude.
There's no way I would havetried to pull him out of that
car.
I mean, it's just.
Yeah, he's a big dude man.
I don't understand what's goingon yet and maybe there's more
to the story.
I don't know.
It's easy to watch these videosand come to conclusions on
either end of it and uh and notknow all the information.

(01:24:26):
So it'll be interesting if theyactually tell us what's going
on and here's my thing too let'ssay it's because you smelled
weed sure you know, that's that,that that happens quite often.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
If I know I'm dealing with a paralyzed person, like
you know, I'm even more prone tooverlook that.
I'm not even going to, probablynot even really going to
mention it, because I'm justgoing to be like you know what?
This guy's got?
A lot more problems than alittle bit of weed.
So that's just me.
That's just me thinking outloud.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
Why y'all set me on the ground?
I'm going to try to help youout, man, but why are you just?
I can't paralyze her.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
Okay, no, paralyzing you don't paralyze me man, can
you help with the wheelchair?

Speaker 9 (01:25:11):
yeah, that's what I was trying to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
I have to get his look at his face, look at his.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
He knows I love this guy when we say that the police
need to approach and treat thepublic with more empathy and
compassion, this is exactly whatwe are talking about.
All of this could have beenavoided if the first officer
didn't immediately demandcontrol of the situation while
shutting down dialogue with thedriver, as well as the

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passenger's request to help getthe driver's wheelchair ready.

Speaker 9 (01:25:41):
Sit right here tight, okay, sir, I'll do a whole lot
of that swimming for me, this upman.
You know what I mean this up.
You know why my wheelchair isin the back?
Yeah, my wheelchair is in theback.
You know why, this up sir.
You know why, this up man?
Because you can talk to aperson and you can figure out
how you can do things better.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
The driver clearly recognizes this as well.

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
So nobody have a camera on what's your name sir,
what's your badge name?
What's your badge number?
1737.
1737.
And I'm Officer AffiliatesOfficer Affiliates, that is
correct.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Now Ray and Banning.
We've been in this game a longtime.
I'm getting rookie vibes.
I'm just saying the way they'retalking.
I'm getting rookie vibes, but Isee these weird stripes on
their arms and it's not asergeant.
I don't know what those.
I don't know what those signifyfor that department.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
But that ain't a sergeant stripe.
No, it could be a seniorofficer or an fto.
They have so many differentmeanings across the country and
I'm not even gonna sit here andbegin to guess because, yeah,
what just saw was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
I'm just going based on how they're acting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Man.
I'm starting to think that hedidn't believe the guy.
Yeah, I'm thinking.
That's what happened he didn'tbelieve that he couldn't walk
and so he thought oh, I'm goingto get you out to see if you can
walk, right.
I don't know, I don't know whatwas going on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yeah, exactly.
I'm just curious why did youneed to get him out?
Like what?
If it was okay and this iswhere this officer, this is how
you know it's full of shit Ifyou needed to get him out it was
such a pressing matter, youwould have said all right, sir,
I'm going to need you to, I'mnot going to move you any

(01:27:21):
farther.
Maybe we'll get your chair out,maybe we'll have you sit right
here, but I need to get her outnow to figure out whatever it
was.
That was such a concern,because I didn't hear it get
articulated.
Um, and that's the problem withyou.
Know, we don't have the bodycam.
We're just getting you knowonce this video cut on, so we're
only getting a certain portionof it.
But this couldn't have been toodamn serious because you put

(01:27:47):
him back in the car.
You know, okay, he's legit,let's get him back in the car.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
I'm not even seeing, and it's probably the camera
angle, but I'm not seeing bodycameras on the officers either
yeah, I was just about to readthat mag dump.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I think it was said no body worn cameras.
Now, this is a thing, guys.
It is not mandatory across thenation.
I don't know.
Sure, I don't either, I don't,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I see it all the time I see agencies that uh
I mean uh, because I teach allover the united states and so I
do see agencies that don't don'thave body cams.
Not every agency, every agencyhas tasers either, even though
that, uh, you know, the publicwould like to think why, why
don't you just tase him?

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
well, not every agency has them yeah, oh, I
might have accidentally put mymom in time out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yeah, because you know if this dude would have had
a warrant for his arrest, thenthey would have kept him outside
the car.
They wouldn't put him back in,right, you know?
So I I don't understand thereason, other than him believing
maybe that the guy wasn'ttelling the truth.
I don't know, uh, and then, ofcourse, this guy's not helping
him out at all.
He's just like, okay, let methrow my arms out to the side
and let me you know, I'm nothelping you out at all as far as

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pulling myself back in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Yeah, Sorry, I'm looking through the chats here,
but yeah let's keep going.

Speaker 9 (01:29:07):
What's your arm man?
Culper Harris.
No body, culper Harris, id 1640.
I just think y'all can dothings better.
You know you don't just drag aman that's paralyzed.
I didn't drag y'all, sir.
I asked you and you asked formy assistance and I tried to
help you.
Your body is bigger than mybody.
If I'm telling you that I'mparalyzed, but you constantly

(01:29:30):
saying I need to come out.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
No, I said, you asked me for assistance and I'm
asking you could you constantly?

Speaker 9 (01:29:33):
saying I need to come out.
No, I said no.
I said you asked me forassistant and I'm actually.
You need my assistant.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
You see, I need you ask me for my assistance.
I don't think the hiring poolis as high as it could grab you.

Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
I said I can't grab you because there's no reason
I'm gonna grab you and pull youout of the vehicle just like
that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
No, officer phyllis then predictably tries to cover
for himself not even engagingwith how he's in the wrong and
his actions were unacceptable amI being arrested, sir?
I'm asking you a question,we'll talk.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
I need to know now, man, am I being arrested?
She's getting that one chair.
We'll have a talk, okay, inprivate, okay, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
The driver is eventually told that he
allegedly has an outstandingwarrant in Georgia, even though
the stop took place in Marylandand the driver said that it was
a non-extraditable offense, thengetting arrested and taken to
Charles County Jail.
Reporting on this incident isslim, so we can't confirm the
validity of the officer to thedriver's claims about his

(01:30:34):
outstanding warrant, but thathas no bearing on the clear
disregard for humanity thedriver was subjected to by these
officers, and we hope that heand his family see more justice
from this okay, well, thatchanges things a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Um, again, he's telling you he's paralyzed, like
if I'm not seeing any problems,you know, I'm gonna verify that
they're the warrants, even good, before I even engage with any
of this stuff you know if youhave a decent dispatcher that's
in there doing their job, I meanit's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
it's right there on the third line of the friggin
most of the most of the warrantsout there through ncic and it's
going to tell it's right thereon the third line of the
frigging most of the warrantsout there through NCIC and it's
going to tell you it's eitherextraditable or it's not.
If it's extraditable, usuallyit's surrounding states, or
extraditable up to this amount,or extraditable nationwide, you
know, depending on the charge etcetera.
And that's something thateducated law enforcement will

(01:31:30):
look at before they go and tryto get somebody out of the car,
regardless of the physicalincapacitation that's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah, and the thing about that, that may be what he
actually did.
You know, I mean, the narratoris the one that's saying that he
didn't do these things, so theofficer may have already
confirmed it.
It could have been a felonywarrant, it could have been
something that was violent, whoknows.
And then, you know, maybe thatwas the reason why he was
wanting to get him out of thecar before telling him you know
anything about the warrant,which is normally the practice

(01:31:59):
that we do.
You know, we'll pull someoneout.
So, hey, you mind stepping outhere for a second.
Hey, you got a warrant for yourarrest, yeah, that kind of
thing.
And so, yeah, I don't know,it's easy to look at, like I
said, from that one side and go,yeah, the guy could have done
better here, could have donebetter there.
It's not the end of the world,no one was hurt and that's a
good thing.
And so, yeah, we all live andlearn and we move forward from

(01:32:21):
there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Yeah, again, and that's the hard part, we don't
have the full story on that.
If he does have a warrant, thatchanges things.
It depends on what that warrantis.
If it's not extraditable, youdon't end up finding that out
typically until you have themresearch the warrant.
It doesn't show that every timeon the computer You'll see they

(01:32:43):
have a warrant.
So you'll say, okay, can youconfirm on that warrant?
That's what we'll ask.
So for those listening, this iswhat typically will happen I'll
pull you over hey, I pulled youover for this, dot it or
whatever, and kind of get yourlicense and insurance and
current registration, dependingon the state.
So you get that.
You go back, you run the nameall right, for whatever reason.

(01:33:05):
You pull them over and then youfind out, oh, this driver's
license has a warrant hit.
Boom, what is it?
Okay, it's Okay, it's a warranthit out of Georgia.
That may be all you see.
Okay, let me call you knowdispatch.
Hey, this guy's got a warranthit for me.
Can you confirm on that warrant?
So then they, what they'redoing is they're getting a hold
of that host, location of thatwarrant and saying is this

(01:33:26):
warrant still good and is itextraditable because we see that
it's out of Georgia, that takesa minute, because when it's out
of state it takes a while.
So in the meantime they mayhave been like, well, let's get
him out of the car and have aconversation with him.
And then this is what happened.
And they're like, ooh, maybehe's full of shit because he's

(01:33:49):
got a warrant.
But again, like Banning wassaying, handbrakes, wheelchair
in the car, I mean you, there'ssome due diligence you can do
before you just start goingthrough those motions.
And uh, yeah.
So Mr Billfold said, regardlessof the warrant status, at what
point is asking a paraplegic toget out of a car makes sense?

(01:34:12):
Why not let his wife agreed.
Um, that's why we're sayingtake, take the time.
Um.
And then the other part theydidn't even own it.
Yeah, we thought I would havebeen like, oh my god, fucked up.
Like I messed this up big time.
I'm sorry it doesn't, it's notgoing to change anything, but at

(01:34:32):
least owning it.
You know I'm a big own, yourfuck ups, that's me.
So you definitely messed thatone up.
Two cops went on it.
They put him back in the car.
And then they put him back inthe car that's the other thing,
like if you're faking, beingparalyzed, like it's not that

(01:34:55):
hard to just let your legs golimp, like you could have still
been faking it if that was yourfear.
So Ray Burke said unpopularopinion, but I think the way the
officers were speaking and justgeneral demeanor makes this bad
.
As a father of a severelydisabled son, I can tell you
anyone can be dangerous.
Agreed, yeah, is it Texas thathas a new law under traffic that

(01:35:21):
one can't be pulled over justfor expired registration
actually has to be a violation?
No, you can be pulled over.
Yeah, you can be pulled over.
Yeah, you can't be pulled overfor well, at least where I'm at,
it may be a policy for notshowing current insurance.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Like it.
Just to expound on that, thestate of Texas, along with other
states, have what's calledprivate companies that keep the
insurance data.
The one in Texas is calledTexas Sure sure it's data.
The one in Texas is calledTexas Sure and that has an
agreement with the state ofTexas.
When a peace officer runs alicense plate, it's going to
come back with a Texas Surereturn.

(01:36:01):
What that's going to do it'sgoing to confirm the VIN number,
but it's going to let theofficer know if there's a
current policy, if the policyhas lapsed, and then it'll give
you something like policieslapsed for more than 45 days.
It's great that we have that,but it's also used primarily for
hidden rooms or furtherinvestigative purposes, but not

(01:36:23):
for a traffic stop itself.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Yeah, yeah, because they're not always accurate is
what I discovered when you runthose and it comes back and they
go, ah, it's expired insurance.
And then you get up there andthey have insurance and so, yeah
, it's just an insurance company.
It's whether or not someoneputs it into the system and when
they put it into the system andso, yeah, same thing with
registrations Registration canyou run it and it looks like

(01:36:49):
it's out, and then you get upthere and they got a sticker.
That's just.
They just got it that day, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
And Nevaeh said I find it disturbing that some
cops treat disabled people likegarbage.
They need more training, agreed?
Now let's be for real.
I don't think they weretreating this guy like garbage.
I think they were being politethe whole time.
They were just idiots.
That's my opinion.
They were just dumb.

(01:37:17):
They weren't um, but I don'tthink they were treating this
guy like garbage, this guy.
But to what nevaeh is sayinglike we've seen disabled people
treated like shit, so, um, butuh, let's get into the, because
I I've got a hard stop.
I got to stop here in a halfhour, so, um, but let's get into

(01:37:41):
why we do this.
The body cam live stuff.
So we're going to watch ourfirst body cam live video now.
Again, everything that we gotfor tonight is from police
activities youtube channel, soshout out to them.
We're going to share the screen.
I think this is the right one.
Let's go right there.
I don't have Alan tonight, guys, so I am running everything.

(01:38:04):
Let's biggie size this guy, allright, and it's only a minute
48.
So, ray, we do not know thebackgrounds of these videos.
We've never watched them, soit's fresh to everybody.
If you have seen them, just bowyourself out and we will
discuss it as we go.

Speaker 8 (01:38:26):
Hi, how are we doing today?
I'm Officer Brandon,Springfield Township Police
Department.
Stop it, Stop it dog.
How are you?
Springfield Township PoliceDepartment.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Okay, stop it.
Stop it, dog, how are you so?

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
the reason I stopped you is you are suspended with a
warrant for your arrest.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
I am.

Speaker 8 (01:38:39):
So do me a favor Turn off the car, put the keys up on
the dash.
I'm paying you for that warrant.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Okay.
So, knowing that she's got awarrant, I would have done the
same thing.
Hey, turn your car off.
This has been edited,apparently because it just
skipped ahead.
That wasn't us.
So shout out to Harrison Brockhe got us five more memberships.
Thank you, buddy.
And I'm looking through thenames and guess who's not there

(01:39:06):
Marine Bloods.
So you guys know the rules.
I will partake myself.
Um, so from here, uh, you getthe cuffs on, you confirm on the
warrant and then, um, you'regonna have to deal with the car,
so you're gonna have to tow itand inventory it.

(01:39:27):
But that's all I really see sofar on this call.
Let's see where it goes fromhere.

Speaker 8 (01:39:33):
You are suspended actively.
Oh hey, what Come here?
Hello, the raccoon has her methpipe.

Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
As what?
Oh my God Her meth pipe.
He's playing with the meth piperight now.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
No, don't reach for it.
That's evidence now.

Speaker 8 (01:39:53):
I don't want him to have that.
That's why I'm going to do it.
Hey, buddy.
It's okay.
Alright.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
One that's really cool to have a raccoon pet.
I would love to have a raccoon.
That would be fun as hell.
But this is why I say, being acop, uh front row tickets to the
best show on earth, because younever know what the hell you're
gonna find banning.
How are you gonna handle the uhmeth pipe carrying raccoon?

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
uh, I probably would have laughed a bit too.
I mean, that's uh, that'ssomething you don't see every
day and that's a normal reaction.
Obviously you don't want theraccoon to frigging get an
overdose.
I'm going to tell you right nowjust enough of that amphetamine
powder.
If it gets onto a nose of acanine or a dog it can be
disastrous.

(01:40:45):
Did my screen turn completelygreen behind me?
It did I'm not sure.
It said green screen disabled.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
So there you go green screen you deal with.
Okay, it doesn't look bad.
So, uh, interesting.
Uh, duck, ninja, dad gifted 10memberships and it went through
y'all.
So that is crazy.
I'm looking through, um, justconsidering how many memberships
have been gifted tonight.
Youtube usually limits us.

(01:41:13):
Apparently, we haven't hit thatlimit yet.
It did give 10, correct 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Yeah, sigmalord got one too, bythe way.
Shout out to SigmaLord.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Okay, magdump said really small handcuffs for the
raccoon question mark uh, youjust, uh, you just think, eric,
you just think you want araccoon as a pet, because, I'm
telling you, I have seen peoplewith those things and they dig
through everything yeah, that'swhat never, uh, never saying
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
um, no, you would not like to have a raccoon.
I have a good friend that hasone and it's a nightmare.
As just a year old, okay, Istill think it'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Well, obviously this one's not trained to not bring
out the meth pipe while thepolice are standing there.
So you know, they need to workon training this raccoon so that
he'll hide the meth pipe andnot actually bring it out in
front of the police and say hereit is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
It's like having a pet monkey.
Yeah exactly that raccoon hasbeen exposed to so much fent
that it could drive off in thecar by this point.
Oh my god, that is funny.
Alright, let's see where thisgoes.

Speaker 9 (01:42:32):
It's right across from my house.
Yeah, this is what she'ssmoking.

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
That is funny.

Speaker 9 (01:42:36):
All right.

Speaker 8 (01:42:36):
Let's see where this goes.
Yeah, this is what she'ssmoking meth in.
Okay, the raccoon playing withher meth pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Look at that mom Pissed.
She's not.

Speaker 8 (01:42:46):
Oh, there's no way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
He's trying to smoke it, all right, thanks.
There's no way.

Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
Alright.
I love that he's having fun onthe job here.
Again, hey Huh.
Yeah, he's on his way here.
Keep an eye.
She was trying to take the methpipe out of the car.
Just keep an eye on her realquick.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
That is fucking funny .
I'm sorry, listen, listen.
It's not funny that she's gotan addiction sure but the fact
that that just happened, that'sfunny.
That is so you got to enjoy thejob, y'all.
That's something that I wouldenjoy, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
That's something he's going to go back to the station
and tell everybody about.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Yeah does that still fall under the plain view
doctrine or was that wreckentrained right police
department illegally behind thepolice station?

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
yeah, this is stuff you have got to consider for an
argument in court.
Is that an exception?
That wasn't mine.
Your honor that was theraccoons.
That was rockets.
There's nothing I could doabout it, jesus.
All right, let's go to the nextone here.
This one's only two minutes.
Okay, let's share the screen,share Biggie size Boop, and

(01:44:09):
let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
You're choking, bro, you're choking.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
You're choking, Right away, Choking child.
You could hear her say he'schoking.
This is immediately with kids.
I'm giving two or three hardass hits to the back and then
I'm going right into theHeimlich the best I can,
depending on how big they are.
A child this size, I think Iwould be comfortable right into
the Heimlich, the best I can,depending on how big they are.
A child this size, I think Iwould be comfortable doing a

(01:44:36):
Heimlich shot Banning.
What do you?

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
got Same and a lot of people keep sending me on
LinkedIn this new device thatthey came out with.
I'm sure people see it on there.
Oh, the sucker thing, yeah, thething that it just frigging
pulls out.
If that works as good as itsays it does, I hope departments
start training personnel withit and having it, because as
well as blue police are on scenea lot faster than FD and EMS

(01:45:00):
sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Yeah, that's one that I would really like to get as a
sponsor, because I believe inthat product.
I've seen it on several videosnow.
It'd just be cool to be able toback them even more as a
sponsor.
But we'll, we'll always saytheir name.
I just don't know the name ofit.
So, but let's keep going Fromhere.

(01:45:24):
You got to pick them up, anglethem down, if you can, there we
go.
That's what he's trying to do,can you see?

Speaker 9 (01:45:31):
anything else?
Could you open your mouth?
Sweep the mouth.
There we go.
That's what he's trying to do?
He was eating a tomato.
Bro, Could you open your mouth?

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Sweep the mouth for obstruction.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
He was eating a tomato bro.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
He was eating a tomato, bro, I would try.
Heimlich, can you see the swoop?
He's starting to go out.

Speaker 8 (01:45:45):
He's talking.
Are you okay?
He's got something stuck in histhroat.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Can you open your mouth for me, buddy?

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
I'm getting antsy for him.
I'm not trying to help.
Spit it out, spit it out.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
The child is coughing it up right now you okay, bud.
You put him over here.

Speaker 8 (01:46:07):
I want to put him over here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
I'll do it.
Yeah, yep.
There you go.
Come on, buddy, are you ready?
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
There you go.
Come on, bud, are you fired?
Yeah, I fired you, okay, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Yeah, there you go.
There you go, steve, tell methese cops don't care you with
me, bud.

Speaker 9 (01:46:28):
Yeah, he's not getting a voice, so he's
bringing it in.
Relax, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Relax, all right, bud Spit it out, if you can, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
There it is, there, it is Trying to help.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Hey bud, yeah permanent.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Aw, he hung up you all right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 (01:46:45):
Good, it was a little tomato.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Yeah, it was a little tomato.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Yeah, it was a little tomato.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah, I want to go to Boston.

Speaker 9 (01:46:53):
Yeah, I want to go to Boston, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
I want to go to Boston See it's right there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
That was awesome.
Look see, we never know whatvideos we're going to get.
We got two positive videosright there.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
I mean kind of positive.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
That's the worst thing to see on a live scene is
uh, yeah, like that yep, that,that it'll.
That will haunt you even whenyou save them oh, that and that
save.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
And I thought I'd never say this, but was uh
pretty self-proclaimed that waspretty self-proclaimed.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
even when you save them, I'm telling you you are
out of your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Um, okay, let's uh you know one thing that, uh, you
know parents can learn too fromthat.
Uh, and of course it's a.
It's a nightmare in itselfhaving to deal with that.
But man, I've been out on manycalls where parents put their
baby into the in the bed withthem and then they roll over on
their child at night or duringthe day and end up smothering

(01:47:53):
their own child.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
I cannot imagine living with that and having to
have to deal with that.
So, man, do not put your kidsin the bed with you when they're
a baby, when they're an infantlike that, put them in a crib
and move everything out of thecrib, so know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
So yeah, just to be you know, just a piece of
information.
Hopefully that people are notdoing that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Yeah, country girl, I think you nailed it.
I think that's right.
The tool's called life vac.
Yeah, I think that's what it'scalled.
Yep, yeah, very cool.
So okay, let's.
Let's go to the next video here.
Share screen.
Video here um share screen.

(01:48:41):
I think that's the right one,biggie size a boop.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
All right, and let's get that comment off there and
let's go tell me exactly whathappened.
My husband's um raging and he'sthrowing things and I don't
feel safe right now with himhere.
Okay, and I want to confirm hasanything been physical?
Tonight he's just throwing,he's trashing my room.

(01:49:08):
Okay, but has he thrownanything at you?
He threw it at the door justnow.
I'm outside the door.
I'm outside right now.
Okay.
I don't feel safe going nearhim right now.
Okay, and I know.
You said he's throwing things.
What is he throwing?
Like everything, like everything.
Okay.

(01:49:29):
Okay, my partner's already gotsome help started.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
Okay, I, it looks like.
Okay, my p got some helpstarted.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
O on the line with you, unt standing outside and
you'?
Yeah, he's in a closet, I witha closet, a big walk are guns in
there?
But I do anything.
They should probably know that.
Okay, do you know what kind ofguns they are?
They're big, I don't, they'remy husband's into them?

(01:50:02):
I'm not.
They're big guys.
Are they like hands or likeshots?
We got a little of everythingwe got everything okay, right
here right.
Right here, right, what's hisname?

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
David.
Hey, david, david, david, david, can you come out and talk to
us, david, david.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
David.
Who is all in the house?
You and the kids.
I got some dementias in there,but my adult son is there and he
died.

Speaker 7 (01:50:49):
Hey, david, we just want to talk.
Man, can you come out so we cansee you?
Is this your adult son?
Can you come out.
I want to get everybody out ofthe house, just in case.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Okay, so so far we got a call of the person raging
the husband correct raging andwe're showing up.
We've made entry into the intothe house banning.

Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
What are you doing from here?
If he, you know, if we have,you know, two reasonable,
prudent people that are tellingus that he's in there by himself
, I'm going to get them out fortheir safety with everything,
the female half that is said,and, uh, we're gonna let him
have night.
You know, if he doesn't haveanybody to hurt, if, if he
doesn't want to respond, whatpoint are we at?
To where we're going toescalate the situation, just

(01:51:38):
having the confrontation?
So, everybody out of the houseand on to the next.
I like that.
Call us back from a neighbor ifthey hear something.
But if there's nobody beingthreatened, peace, we're out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Yeah, I like that.
If we don't have any signs ofviolence or anything like that,
let's try to get them out ofthere, Even if that means, hey,
we'll go drop you off somewhere.
I'm willing to do that,assuming your serge is cool with
it.
Me, as a sergeant, I'm going tolet you.
If it avoids a call for therest of the night and we don't
have to go back there and putanybody in jail.

(01:52:12):
That's what I would do.
I'm with you on that.
So, Ray, you got anything toadd on that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
No, I think the same thing.
I think they're doing a goodjob by, you know, not forcing
entry into the door, going up tothe door.
They're staying back away fromit.
If she says, if the female thatcalled says, hey, there's no
assault that occurred, there'sno, there's no crime that
occurred here, hey, but you know, we can stay here if you want
to grab your stuff, so you canleave and, uh, make sure he
doesn't come out and do anythingand he stays in the room.

(01:52:39):
Then she gets her stuff and shegoes and hey, and everything's
solved yeah, we call those civilstandbys.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Most of the time.
When you do civil standbys,that's something that the
sheriff's departments do, thatcity cops don't.
But I've learned and taughtpeople.
I'm like, listen, you're goingto get called back here, so you
might as well just make thiscall last a little longer while
you deal with that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
If it's 2 in the morning frigging knock it out,
Get it done so you guys can goon.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Yep, agreed.
So country girl likes yourreply.
Banning, agreed.
So country girl likes yourreply banning.
She said applause to banningguys should be every cop.
Uh, oh, mag, don't like yourcomment too.
I, I agree.
I mean, this is uh you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
You've probably got at least uh 70, 80 years across
the panel here, um, maybe moreI'm gonna tell you, I've had
raging moments of, oh my god,where's the money, how am I
going to pay for bills?
And I got out of the backyardand I, I, I yelled to the
heavens and and uh, but I'm notgoing to hurt anybody and it's
not illegal to do that, as longas you're not disturbing the

(01:53:43):
peace.
You know, if you breach that,that that fine line, then yeah,
you're going to deal withsomething.
But people deal and vent withdifferent things.
He's not physically harmingsomebody.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Yeah, let him get it out man, he's freaking human yep
let's uh, let's keep going,let's see what goes on here just
hang out with your mom in thegarage.

Speaker 7 (01:54:02):
Please, david, can you come out and talk to us,
david?

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
your.
I wouldn't even bothereverybody's out.
Let's go outside and chat.
Hey, you guys got some placeyou can go, something we can do.
I maybe leave one.
I might stay inside, keep eyeson, stay next to my partner
while I'm talking to them.
You know just outside, but Idon't really see a need to make

(01:54:33):
contact with him.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:54:37):
Family's concerned about you.
We're here to help you.
Come on out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Now this may be some of the crisis intervention
training issues that Lisa hasbeen forced to learn.
David.
Now we've got somebody that weknow is in crisis because
they're having a rage moment andthe crisis intervention
training has forced them to tryto see if they can help him.

(01:55:04):
So now maybe we're seeing sometraining scars, training issues,
training confliction, where yousee we're saying leave, don't
escalate it anymore, and theonly people that are in any
danger, we got them out of there.
And then now, as I'm thinkingthrough crisis intervention

(01:55:24):
training that I've received,part of what that would say to
do is to try to help this guycope and figure out what's going
on and see if we can help calmhim down.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
You know, and if you're that motivated officer
that is worried about somebodycommitting suicide, uh, if
you're a decent department I'mnot going to say accredited, but
you're going to have victimforms.
You know, we do here for familyviolence and you might be able
to take those pink and greenforms, slip it under the floor,
uh, under the door, and say hereyou go, man, if you feel like
you need to call somebody, or ifyou would like to call us back
and talk, we're here for you,and then it's time to freaking

(01:56:00):
bounce.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
I'm not sure how this is going to turn out.
Yeah, mr Billfold, if banningwere every cop, the big and tall
uniform industry would boomJeez.
You know how many cows wouldhave to die for gun belts, y'all
Jesus.
I think banning is like sevencows per belt.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
It's called the Sam banning.
Now, it's not the Sam banning.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Somebody said great show, eric, and Banning
Appreciate it.
Magdump said this was two weeksago.
This should have already beentrained, eric.
What do you mean?
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Oh, the call was two weeks ago, that's.
What he's saying is that theyshould have already had trained
on this you know they haven'tdone it.
That's the thing about theyhaven't done anything wrong.
They're trying to make contactwith a guy and you know they
still may decide to work, towalk away, who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
we'll see where it goes yeah, yeah, we don't even
know where this is going to goyet.
So let's, I'm going to go backjust a little bit.
I want to kind of hearBarricading David.
Did I skip forward?

(01:57:07):
Can you come out and talk to us?

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
No, that's where it was.
Oh okay, Can you come out andtalk to us?
No, that's where it was.

Speaker 7 (01:57:13):
Oh okay, David, I don't want to have to treat this
as a barricaded subject.
Come on out civilly.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
He's cop talking.
That guy's not going tounderstand what that means.
He's not For those listening.
A barricaded person is aparticular situation where now
we have to back up, we have tohold a perimeter and we have to
wait for tactical units to comeout and start trying to talk
this person out and do all thatshit, because officers are not

(01:57:46):
equipped, trained to deal withbarricaded people and not to
step on anything but.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
I don't consider this guy barricaded people and not
to step on anything, but I don'tconsider this guy barricaded,
not yet.
He's in his frigging bedroom.
He's got his door shut.
We have zero to go on, fromwhat I'm gathering.
If I'm wrong and somebody elsehas picked up on something, feel
free to tell me, but I thinkwe've extended our stay here.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Yeah, there's no barricaded person.
I haven't heard any threats ofviolence or anything like that.
Harrison Brock another fivememberships that went through.
I don't know what's going ontonight.
I can't believe it's letting itstill slip through the cracks
here.
So appreciate it.
Thank you very much, sir.
Mr Billfold, early nighttonight yeah, I got.

(01:58:30):
I'm on days now so I got to getup early.
He's a day walker.
Now, yeah, I am a day walker.
Andy Fletcher said do you thinkthat the cop purposely
escalated the interaction so hecould shoot him?
No, not at all.
I'm telling you.
There's no cop that wants to gothrough all that ever.
Are there idiots like the SoniaMassey dude?

(01:58:51):
Yeah, but do I think he'sescalating Ever?
Are there idiots like the SoniaMassey dude?
Yeah, but do I think he'sescalating this to have to do
shit?
No, he's just like any otherguy that doesn't want to have to
do any more work than what'snecessary, trying to go home at
the end of the night.
And I don't mean go home bybeing the guy that lives, I just
mean go home.
I just want to go home.
I want to get through the shiftand and have a drink when I get

(01:59:16):
home and pet my dog, likethat's what I want to do.
So, um, but yeah, and accordingto some of the comments, no,
he's not barricaded.
He did nothing wrong, so it'snot barricaded.
I agreed, um, so I'm gonna keepgoing here.
Oh, somebody said yes, nev,sometimes people just want to
vent, not hurt anyone, just vent.
Let them vent on their own.
They will sort it out in time.
I agree, yeah, I think that'swhat Banning was saying.

(01:59:36):
So let's get going.
I have to call the SWAT teamout.
Okay, he's educating him alittle bit.
Everybody's concerned about you, bro, come on out.
He's trying to relate.
This is CIT Training 101.

Speaker 7 (01:59:52):
Yeah, we're going to have to get everybody out.
Call a bear kid.
Hey, mike, I'm going to hold onthe door.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
So now he's doing a little safety sweep, making sure
everybody is out of the house.
Hey, how's it going sir?
Is there any way we can get youout of the house?
Is there any way that we canget you out of the house?
I'm not really going to giveyou an option if it's a

(02:00:25):
barricaded person.
Son of a bitch.
Did anybody catch that?
Let me go back Watch the radioplay.
He doesn't have a mic.
No, he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
No, lapel mic.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
No, nothing If this day and age 2025, and this is a
2025 video, it's two weeks old.
If you do not have an earpieceand a mic attached to your radio
, you are wrong.
Buy it.
You cheap bastards Buy it.
I don't care if the departmentdidn't give it to you A hundred

(02:01:03):
bucks at best for just buying aradio out there.
There's no fucking excuse thesedays.
Anyway, all right, let's keepgoing, Mr Bill.

Speaker 7 (02:01:15):
We're going to treat this as a barricaded subject.
Can you have the 629?
Give me a call for a swap.
Call-out.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
That's never good.
Good?
That's never good, god damn now, I don't blame him for shooting
, but we shouldn't have got tothat point.

(02:01:54):
I would have just left,wouldn't have been a problem.
I'm guessing we don't know.
But get everybody to leave, ifyou can, or I mean you do.
Okay, banning, let me ask youthis what if those people didn't
want you this?
What if he?
What if those people didn'twant to leave?
What if they refuse to leave?

(02:02:15):
Then what?
Well, we can we can.

Speaker 4 (02:02:19):
Actually, you know, speaking for the state of Texas,
we can force them to leave fora temporary safety barrier, and
if you've got to carry somebodyout of the house to where
something unfortunate like thismay not happen, then do that and
you deal with that later.
You're doing it for theirsafety.
Yeah god, this pisses me off,man yeah, it's a, it's a you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
You know, um, yeah, you do, youhave.
I think I saw somebody in thecomments said you know, not
breaking the law because you canhave a gun in your own house,
you can.
But in this situation where youhave a possible domestic

(02:03:02):
violence with high potency for,let's put it this way, any
reasonable and prudent personlet's go off of that standard
calls the cops on their ownhusband or whoever this guy was
to them, calls on their ownfamily member because they think
that their rage has gotten soout of control they need cop

(02:03:23):
intervention.
You don't get to come out of aroom when they're telling you
hey, come out, talk to us, dadah, dah, dah with a gun and not
expect something like this tohappen.

Speaker 4 (02:03:34):
And we would be saying stuff a lot differently
if an offense has been committedprior to Right.
Right now it's just disturbingthe peace.
We're trying to controlanything that's going on, but
unfortunately it got to thispoint and I'm not going to say
here just quarterback these guysto death, but that gum man.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Yeah yeah, this is a shit sandwich all the way around
.
But again, this is just likethe Sonia Massey thing.
I would have left, I wouldn'teven have been there, I would
have already been gone.
So damn.
Again, I understand why he, Iunderstand why he shot, but did

(02:04:17):
we create our own exigency?

Speaker 4 (02:04:20):
take two.
I know you got to get off here.
Take two seconds, go back.
When the gentleman came out.
I want to see the just whenhe's coming out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
I'd like to see the position so things to consider,
your partner's still over herein that, wherever that leads to
Good, I mean it's out, it'slevel.
It is a one-handed draw, but itlooks like his hand's in the

(02:04:53):
trigger well area.

Speaker 4 (02:04:57):
He's frigging woods carrying that thing.
Man, yeah, he's just a littlehip hold.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Yeah, this is fucking .
This is a hard one, man.
So I'm on the fence of maybethe cops created the exigency
I'm going to say I'm 100% on thefence of that.

Speaker 4 (02:05:17):
Unfortunately, it's a training issue and that's the
last thing that this officerwanted to do when he woke up
that day.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
Again, we have the CIT part.
This is what the citizens pushfor.
So I want you guys tounderstand.
This is what the citizens pushfor.
So I want you guys tounderstand.
I'm just giving you what I'mthinking as a cop With CIT
critical or, I'm sorry.
What does CIT stand for?
Again, crisis interventiontraining.
So, with crisis interventiontraining, this is when they
wanted social workers inpolicing, so they trained cops

(02:05:46):
in crisis intervention training.
Crisis intervention trainingwould have wanted you to be here
and try to talk this guy down.
So you've got conflictingtraining.
Because the other side of us,when we're dealing with
domestics, where we don't haveanything physical yet maybe a
threat of physical violence, weseparate the parties, get

(02:06:09):
somebody to leave.
Where me and Banning were inagreement and fucking Ray,
blanking on your name for asecond, we were all of the
opinion that, yeah, we wouldjust convince them to leave,
leave him in his room, let himsulk, do whatever he's got to do
, to vent.
But the CIT trainingrequirements kind of conflict

(02:06:32):
with that.
So damn that is.
I'll tell you what guys.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
I think the guy caused himself to get shot.
You know the police are outsideyour door Instead of coming out
with nothing in your hands.
You come out with a gun in yourhands and you expect the police
to somehow not shoot you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
Right, but I think that's what Banny and I are
saying is like had they left, wewe wouldn't have been in the
situation, but because theystayed, it's like jumping in
front of a moving car well, yeah, I mean, I get what you're
saying and and I and Iunderstand that as well, and, uh
, it'd be damned if you do ifyou, damned if you don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
because here's the thing about it If those officers
would have left and left thefamily there, and he came out
and killed each one of them,then they would have said why
did those officers leave thefamily, leave and just leave the
family there?
Right, you know I mean officersare in a tough situation at
these type of calls.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
The messes are the worst.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
Yeah, and you know this guy.
They're telling him to come out.
They're telling him the policeare out your side, your door,
come on out.
He didn't do that.
He finally did, obviously, butcame out with a gun in hand and
you're expecting the police notto shoot you.
I mean, if anyone, if someonewas in your home, standing in
your home, and they came outwith a gun in your hand, they
were mad and you had a way todefend yourself.
You would defend yourselfagainst the person, and so

(02:07:49):
you're expecting the police.
You know people are expectingpolice to do less.
I mean, they're gonna do thesame thing, yep yeah, I, I agree
um this one man.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
This is it's, it's tough and, unfortunately,
conflicting training, like I,like, I see, I think we just
found a big flaw in policetraining here, that that was a
push by society to have us dothis critical or, I'm sorry,
crisis intervention training.
And then what the fuck do youdo here, like, I'm, like, I'm

(02:08:20):
going to write this one downbecause this needs to be
something that we face andaddress, even at my own
department.
I'm curious, like at my owndepartment, what we would do
here.
What are we training?
Are we not sure that trainingis conflicting and making us do
two different things?
Right.
This is a rough one.
This is hard because, just towhat Ray's saying, like you

(02:08:41):
leave, and then he ends upblasting family members, the
ones that you couldn't get toleave, or whatever.
What if they return?

Speaker 4 (02:08:49):
We were stating earlier.
It's kind of you shall notleave until possible future
victims are removed from thatsituation.
Yeah, and then if you know,then and then you do have to
deal with, obviously, whathappened.
I mean, it's a double edgedsword all the way.
You know, it doesn't matter.
I didn't hear them announcepolice.
Obviously a person, areasonable, prudent person on

(02:09:12):
the right mind, on the otherside of the door is going to
know that that law enforcementis outside the door with the
tone Everything's coming across.
They want to talk to you,saying you're going to call SWAT
.
That is implied.
It's just it's very unfortunatethat it had to get to this and
it's one of these.
I've been to these raised, beento these, and it's one of these
.
I've been to these.
Ray's been to these, you'vebeen to these in a sense of, hey

(02:09:32):
, let's get these people thatare involved but now no longer
involved because we don't havean offense, out of that
situation.
We could do a couple hey, doyou need anything?
Can we help you this and thisand this?
And if that fails, now victimsare removed, get yourself out of
the situation.
Yeah, quarterbacking these guys.
They're probably followingpolicies, policies and

(02:09:54):
procedures and and yeah,received.

Speaker 1 (02:09:56):
so it's yeah, it's hard for me to get on these guys
because I see the, thecontradiction in training.
There's two different, twodifferent things going at each
other in this one.
Um, yeah, this is.
This is a rough one, guys.
This is one that needs to bereally looked into, not just by
what we do here, because we canonly change our small fishbowl,

(02:10:19):
but I think at least statewide,nationally, whatever, this is
one that really needs to belooked at.
Is our CIT training causing usto do things that we shouldn't
be doing?
Again, we're not social workers.
We're not, and you want us tobe.
So here we are trying to be thejack of all, master of none.

(02:10:41):
This is what happens whenyou're the jack of all master of
none.
Shit, I feel bad for these cops.
This is a bad spot and, again,I don't think they intentionally
created their own exigency andI think there's a lot of
training issues that conflicthere.
Damn, that's a bad one.
Well, guys, I do have a hardstop.

(02:11:03):
I kind of went over just alittle bit.
But, ray, I want to thank you,sir, for being on.
Is there anything that you wantto get out there before we get
off here?

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
I thank you guys for having us and I appreciate it.
And if there's any officers areout there that would like some
great training visits at BlueShield Tactical and we have
training coming out throughacross the United States that we
provide and you know, or ask ussome questions Sometimes, if
you have some questions, we'rejust here to help you in any way
we can, because that's what wedo.
So excellent, excellent.

Speaker 4 (02:11:38):
I gotta ask you have you gotten on to any of the you
don't have to say thereservations have you gotten on
any reservation training yet?

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
No, we normally we don't.
I mean, we have some NativeAmerican tribes.
Law enforcement have come toour trainings.
We've had some people that aremanagers of casinos and things
like that come to some of ourtrainings as well.
So yeah, that's been great.
I'm actually a citizen of theChickasaw Nation.
A lot of people wouldn't thinkthat about me, but I'm actually
a citizen of the ChickasawNation.

(02:12:07):
So yeah anytime that we gettribe members to be able to come
, it's fantastic and it's greatto see them.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
Yeah, I'm looking at some of the comments here.
Acorn said he said well, thiscall was not even 10 days ago.
So I expect you can start thatconversation at your agency,
eric.
Yeah, and I absolutely plan to.
So I'm actually going to savethis video and make sure that we
do talk about that, because Idon't want this to happen at my

(02:12:35):
department, because we do have acrisis intervention team where
we're at.
So, holy shit, all of the brainis firing on that one.
That's a crazy one that needsto be addressed.
We need to try to help on thatone before another officer falls

(02:12:56):
into that.
So at least they get some sortof finite training.
Yes, do this.
No, do that One of the two.
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So yeah, guys, I got nothingelse Banning.
You got anything to add, sir?

Speaker 4 (02:14:00):
no sir.

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That's what I'm talking about,I know.
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Everybody appreciate you.
Um, mr billfold, I got alldressed up for eric to shut it
down early.
Sorry, hey, we went two hoursand 15 minutes, that's still

(02:15:09):
fairly normal y''all.
Anyway, sorry, no hoodies.

Speaker 4 (02:15:12):
Leave me alone.
We're going to have to get MrBelfort on a camp chat in your
backyard and do it all overagain.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
Yeah, yep, get a fire .
Hey, we'll video it man, we'llmake it live.
Hell, yeah, I'm down.
I like it.
So, jeff Parrish, should we setup a Discord?
Yeah, I've actually got arudimentary Discord going, but I
haven't ran it yet.
So, yes, that's another thingthat we want to do.
Mr Biltful, I think Iaccidentally banned my mom from

(02:15:41):
talking tonight.
I didn't mean to, I did it.
Somebody spammed, there wassomebody that tried to spam on
here, and so I blocked them, butI think I got my mom too.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
You just got removed from the christmas list I know
what can you?

Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
do I bet eric gets off here and goes and cleans his
room I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
But all right, guys, everybody have a good night.
Uh, ray, stick around, banning,stick around, and we'll, uh,
we'll, we'll debrief everybody.
Take it easy, appreciate ity'all.
Thank you.

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