Unmasking Police Accountability & Corruption

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Speaker 2 (00:59):
What's up, brothers?
How are you?

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Welcome, brother.

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What's up, guys?
Someone's got to be the prettyface of this.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know I got tired of carrying all the weight of that
so I figured that I would bringyou on.
So for those that may be new towhat we do here, this is the
Two Cops One Donut livestream.
It's slightly different fromthe podcast.
On the podcast what we like todo is interviews with police,

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firefighters, military, but welike to do a more in-depth and
community-reaching interviews.
We also do felons, exoneratedpeople for homicide.
We had Derek Thomas I thinkthat was his name.
He was convicted in New Yorkfor homicide, did 20-something
years, 26 years.
He was on the Rogan podcast andwas exonerated, found out that
the detective involved in thatcase had 27 other cases that

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were going to be overturnedbecause he was corrupt and doing
some shady shit.
We also had another person thatwas actually not wrongly
convicted.
He was convicted of a crime hedid commit but then the
sentencing part was improper.
So he ended up getting like 52years for a sentence that he
should have only got 10 or less.

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And the person that heassaulted he did an aggravated
assault against a guy thatkilled his cousin.
He got more years.
He did 24 years in prison wherethe guy that killed his cousin
only did 10 and ended up gettingout and advocating for his
release, which was an amazingstory.
So he was able to get him.

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They were able to get him outthrough partly the Innocence
Project and other things and hisown jailhouse lawyering.
He studied up and did his finalappeal to the district attorney
and it worked.
So it was pretty cool.
But, yeah, that's what thepodcast does.

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What makes this so fun is thecommunity.
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We we don't run an echo chamberhere we very much have the hard
conversations and that is partof the draw, I think, to what we

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That's unique.
We got guys that are a part ofthis network, like Detective
Matt Thornton.
We've got a very young officerout of California, trey Mosley,
who's only been a cop threeyears.
Banning's got 20-plus years.
Jared is now retired with20-plus years.
We've got who else do we got onthe show guys?

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Kat up in New York, she's beena cop seven years.
Daniel, what was that?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Daniel.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh, and Daniel, Daniel Carr, who's from Police
Law News, who's got, I think, 20years.
Maybe I may be a little shy ofthat, I can't remember but he
also has his law degree, sothat's another unique
perspective.
So that's what we got going onwith the show DTV.
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Um, so, before you guys getcrazy on us like that doesn't
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Well, that's because it reallyisn't.
It's an ai guys, man we gottahave stuntmen.
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Well, let's jump over the chat.
I've already seen mag dumps onhere.
We've got uh, I don't recognizejohnny, but johnny's on.

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Welcome, johnny.
Appreciate you, nina.
Uh, chandra, she's on herequite a bit.
How's it going?
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So, andy Fletcher, see peopleego.
Yeah, that's right, from AndyFletcher, I like to call him
Fletch.
Sebulus Maximus is on one ofthe coolest names ever, as
always, my mama, mj, mj, as Ilike to call her.
Just now, for the first timeever, mr Bill Fold is in the

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house.
He said you self-proclaimedheroes need to grab your ankles
and welcome the cartels intoyour fourth point of contact.
Ew, no, that's my uh-uh hole.
I don't know what you guys callit, but that's my uh-uh, uh-uh,
uh.
Oh, steve Ladner's in the house.
How many of y'all have actuallysat down and read the
constitution and bill or thebill or rights.

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Um, I've never read the bill orrights, steve, but I think that
was a test that steve was doingto see our attention to detail.
What do you think, manning?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I don't even, I can't even give an opinion on that,
man, I'm just uh yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know, it sits on my bedside table and I review it
nightly.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So right, I, I actually have the bill of rights
, uh, painted on my ceiling sowhen I go to bed I can just keep
reading it.
Steve Wallace in the house lovethat man.
Let's see what else we got here.
Steve Ladner, I not only haveread it, I have it on my bedside
table.
See right, nina said SergeantLevine, I've been having some

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tough times, but your show easesthe pain a bit with good
chuckles.
Thank you to you all for that.
A whatever we can do to lightenthe load.
I'm sorry you're going throughthat.
Whatever it is, thoughts andprayers for what it's worth.
Ozark Moon's in the house.
What's up, ozark?
She's out there kicking it withus tonight.

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So sorry I couldn't make it.
Last week, y'all.
I was on vacation with my famand I threw it to the guys to
keep it running and, lo andbehold, they came through like
rock stars with having Nick offduty on.
What are the chances of that?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
He only agreed because we told him you weren't
there.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That makes sense.
I don't blame him.
Actually I had a very longconversation with him today
talking about his app.
Make sure you guys check it out.
If anybody's out thereinterested in police work, nick
off duty does have an app calledum police.
Give me one second.
I got it on my phone.
Actually it is called policejobs kind of a unique ranking

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system.
He's not a sponsor of ours atall, we're just friends.
So I like to help my friendsout, so make sure you guys check
that out and and what's up toHarrison Brock?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
and no, you don't have to buy anything to be
called out brother.
We just we had a lot of peopleon there and we scroll and we
look and yeah, I didn't see it,but sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Robby spends more money than anybody.
That proves that you can't buyyour way into our love Harrison
Love it.
But yeah, if you guys want tosupport the show, if you want to
try to catch up to how muchHarrison basically funds this
show, we do Just know that noneof that money is going into our

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pockets.
It goes directly back into theshow.
It just sits in the account andevery time we get a bill for
the software or whatever it isthat we're using or the future
lawsuits we're going to face ifwe get them we've got you know,
a couple hundred bucks sittingin there.
So that's where it goes and wedefinitely appreciate it.
We love where the direction'sgoing, how you guys are helping

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us grow and all of that.
But for tonight's show, what wegot on the docket, we're going
a little off script.
Normally we watch body cams.
We're going to watch body cams.
I don't want to get it twisted,but there's two main videos
we're going to watch tonight.
One is a Broward County Sheriff.
We're going to watch his pressconference.
We're not going to watch thewhole thing, there's just some
parts that I want to get acrossand then we're also going to.

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The first one we're going towatch is the deposition of
Sergeant Joffrian.
I guess we're going to go withthat one.
So we're going to watch thatand we're going to chat and go
back and forth and hear what youguys have to say in the
audience.
Now, jared, um and Banning,have you guys had a chance to
sit and watch the deposition orjust the little parts that I've

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showed you?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh, I've.
I've watched the entire thingand my voodoo doll will be here
tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
All right, good to know.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I've only seen what you sneak peeked with me, so I'm
with the viewers and I'll bewatching for the first time.
Okay, cool.
So, um, without further ado,we're gonna share the screen.
We'll get, we'll get rockingand rolling on this stuff.
Um, okay, so I gotta givecredit where credit's due.
Let's see, did we biggie size?
This biggie size?
Oh, we were already Biggiesized.
Honor your Oath Civil RightsInvestigations.
Honor your Oath Civil RightsInvestigations.
Youtube channel.
He's got about 300,000subscribers.

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If you're looking at the screenright now, you guys can see.
Actually, I'll just click onhis link because I want to make
sure he gets probably.
God bless freedom of speech.
So you guys can check that out.
That's where we pulled thisdeposition and then full
disclosure.
It's cut up a little bit.

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There's some editing in thisone, and the reason we did that
is because it's two hours long,so we needed to find one that
didn't what we consider try tohide things.
I don't think they tried tohide anything on this one, so
aware that the statute had beenrepealed five years before okay,
so we're gonna go back.
So the way that this starts outis it shows you the call um of

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the, what this deposition isgetting at.
And uh, I'm gonna hide the chatso the screen's a little bigger
and maybe we can put ourselvesdown low.
Let me see, maybe do this way.
Let me see.
No bear with me, guys, I'm justtrying to see what.
I don't like that either.
There's a whole bunch of newfeatures on the, on the screen,

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so I'm just trying to see whatworks best.
I don't like that eric's gotnew toys.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
We got new toys.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, we're figuring them out as they go.
Actually, I don't mind that one, I like us off to the left.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to dothat one, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
That wasn't a political statement either.
Just to be clear.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
You're left.
I'm right, We'll all meet inthe middle no politics, let's
get going.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Okay, so here's the call how you doing, man.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
You got some ID on.
Good morning gentlemen.
God bless our homeless veterans.
Yep, I'm with that too, man,All right, cool.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
Air Force.
All right you got your ID onyou.
What for?
Vagrancy.
Air Force who.
Yes, you are.
What would happen if I don'tgive it to you.
You're going to jail PeriodReally, yeah, really.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Sir, I'm standing on a public sidewalk engaged in a
constitutionally protectedactivity.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Correct, but I'm letting you know you're going to
go to jail.
No questions asked.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Even if I'm standing on a public sidewalk.
Yes, yes, how many times do Ihave to explain?

Speaker 7 (12:57):
it to you.
So if I, don't give you ID.
I'm going, but I need toidentify you I don't wish to do
so.
I'd like to stay here.
You're not going to stay here,period, I'll let you know.
Do I have to leave?
Yes.
Why.
Because I'm instructing you,I'm giving you a lawful.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, so we got something to break down already.
I'm going to, first andforemost.
The thing that he tried toquote at the beginning was
vagrancy.
Okay, so I'm not fromMississippi, so I decided to
pull up what the vagrancy law isaccording to Google and just
showing it here.
I'll read it because it'scoming in really small on the

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screen.
But it says Mississippi haslaws defining and penalizing
vagrancy with historical rootsin the Black Codes.
Current statutes definevagrants as individuals who are
able-bodied but lack visiblemeans of support, including
those who are idle, immoral orengage in unlawful activities.
Penalties can include jail timeand fines with provisions, and

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it goes under Mississippi Code97-35-37, outlines who it
considers vagrant.
This includes individuals whoare able to work but have no
property to support themselvesand no visible, visible means of
fair, honest or reputablelivelihood.
So I don't think according tothis he qualifies.

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What do you guys?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
think To me.
I don't believe it meets theelements of the offense.
Even if a city ordinance, wewould have to actually pull that
up and see if it meets the deal.
But that's a big, bigdifference between city
ordinance and state law.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right.
And according to Harrison Brockthat law has already been
overturned.
Andy Fletcher said it wasrepealed six years ago.
So I think our audiencedefinitely knows better than we
do.
And then Mr Billfold said inthe whole deposition it turns
out that vagrancy statute wasrevoked five years prior to his
arrest.
Okay, so maybe Keto 5-0.

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Reynolds said oh boy, I hatethis already.
We do too, brother, becauseguess what?
This makes the job that muchharder for us as cops.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
So to set the scene, this dude's out in public.
It looks like maybe agovernment building on public
sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yep City property.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
No call for service saying he was disturbing peace
or anything other than that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I don't know, I don't know the full backstory.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
From the call or everything that I looked up on
Google, which there's someinformation out there mostly
people's opinions, but some ofthe fact stuff behind it looks
like.
Another employee of thedepartment stated that somebody
did call into dispatch sayingthere was a suspicious person
walking around, but nodefinition of what was
suspicious about it, and that'sthe only thing that I could find

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.
I bet Mr Belford or somebodyelse has probably dissected this
a little bit more to where wemay be able to get some input
from them, and I trust thatinput.
That's all I was able to find.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, we've got several people on here.
If you're new to the show,we've got several of our
community members that have.
If you're new to the show,we've got several of our
community members that havecompletely validated their
position and we've trust whatthey put out there.
And we know the rest of you,you're going to fact check our
fact checkers anyway.
So we'll just wait, because MrBill Fold will put something out

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there and then 10 seconds later, you know I the night, will be
like no, no, no, no, there's anupdated website over here.
You missed this one.
And we're know I the knightwill be like no, no, no, no,
there's an updated website overhere.
You missed this one.
And we're like oh so, that'show we're going to go.
But let me see, here it wasanother thing that made a
Joffrey and say I don't, I'mjust going to call him Joffrey,
Cause Joffrey was like one ofthe most hated people on game of
Thrones ever, the villain ofGame of Thrones.

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The villain of Game of Thrones.
Just call him Joffrey.
So old Joffrey here.
So yeah, so he says vagrancy,and then did he ask him to ID.
Yet Let me go back just alittle bit.
I went a little too far.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
How many times do I got to explain it to you?

Speaker 4 (17:00):
So if I don't give you ID, I'm going to jail You're
going to jail for failure toidentify.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay Now, we've discussed this one at length.
So if you're not familiar withthe ID laws and even in states
that are a mandatory ID typething, from my understanding it
has to be when you're suspectedof or are about to commit a
crime.
So we don't have the elementsof an offense here.

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Not that we're seeing.
He's on a public sidewalk, he'sfilming and he's obviously not
qualifying for vagrancy.
That doesn't even exist anymore.
So vagrancy is out the window.
So if we don't have a crimeother than a traffic stop, a
lawful traffic stop, that's theonly other time you can
mandatory ID somebody.

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This guy does not have to ID.
That's how that works.
So we've had this debate manytimes, even with other cops
y'all.
I will get other cops that willargue with me oh, they get
fired up.
Yeah, trespass is not a crime.
If you are trying to give atrespass warning, that's not a

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crime.
So you can't id.
At least in the state of texas.
I cannot id you simply to giveyou a criminal trespass warning
because, let's say, you don'twant to id.
What am I going to arrest youfor?
Failure to id.
What are the elements offailure to ID?
They have to have alreadycommitted a crime and they're

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under arrest, or it's a trafficstop and they're not IDing, so
it doesn't meet those elements.
So when you are writing acriminal trespass warning, that
is a civil issue.
It's you being the moderatorbetween this building and this
person and saying, hey, theydon't want you here anymore.

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What's your name?
If they tell you my name isOptimus Prime, you're going to
put down alias Optimus Prime.
You're going to snap a shotwith your body camera, if you
can, or you're going to go inand grab surveillance footage
and you're going to attach thatto whatever little report you
got to do to show that the nexttime this person shows up hey,
optimus Prime came here.
This is what Optimus Primelooks like.
Yeah, that looks like him.

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He violated this trespasswarning.
Now we can arrest him, but youdon't have a right to his ID
Banning.
Am I off?
Do you have anything?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
No, you're 100% correct and I don't know where
the disconnect is, uh, which isgetting increasingly from what
people send me across thecountry and where the training
is is lacking.
Don't get me wrong.
The majority of law enforcementis amazing, but the ones that
are missing the cue on the mostimportant things, uh, I don't
know.
The fourth amendment firstamendment to me, very important

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things, um boy making the badgein certain areas look like
complete shit.
So this video, if everybodyhasn't understood it yet, pissed
me off.
Eric sent it to me and I'm like, oh cool, maybe this is a
comedy video and I watched itand boy, I got it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I was fired up.
I wanted to go live that night.
I was trying to get Banning andMatt.
Guys, we really wanted Matt onthis one too.
We wanted Matt and Danielbecause of Daniel's law
expertise and it just Matt is intraining all week, so we got
screwed on that and then Ididn't want to wait that long
and then Daniel is working, sowe couldn't get him.

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Just the life it is when we'rein different states and we have
different schedules.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So I was.
I was a freaking NASA anddidn't have my, my equipment.
All I had was my phone and Ididn't want to bring a.
I mean not that this quality isany better.
I didn't want to bring ahalf-assed audio presentation to
our, to our folks.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah and and, to be fair, we needed him there at
nasa because they what they do,is they feed?
Banning a gallon of charrobeans at a barbecue joint, easy,
and then he launches.
He launches the rockets for himI just need an ignition.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, they just wanted to check the buoyancy of a big
guy in space did you guys feelthat the earth's tilt kind of?
Man, they put me in an aircraft.
We're up to 30,000 feet, so I'man astronaut, right?

Speaker 1 (21:02):
yeah, there you go yeah you and katie perry yeah,
yeah, exactly.
Uh.
Harrison brock said that videomade my head hurt.
Uh, yeah, where was it?
Um, somebody said somethingelse uh, yeah, uh.
Andy fletcher said mind-boggling, especially in texas where the
statute's so incredibly clear.
Um, but yeah, that is howcriminal trespass and trespass

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warnings work, and cops get thiswrong all the time, because I
understand why they think I haveto fill this thing out.
It's a piece of paper that mydepartment makes me do for these
criminal trespass warnings andit's a piece of evidence that
goes to the court for later onif the criminal trespass warning
is violated.
So it makes sense.

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I understand why cops screwthat up, but the training needs
to be better and that's why wekeep putting this message out,
because people aren't getting it.
Smaller agencies especially.
You shouldn't see it at alarger agency.
They should know, and that'sthe unfair part about being at a
larger agency.
They should know and that's theunfair part about being at a
larger agency is you have moreopportunities for better
training.
You're turning awfully red overthere, banning what's going on.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm just listening, brother, just listening,
absorbing, soaking it in.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
He's getting pissed.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You know, just like the three of us on the panel and
many of our friends andcolleagues out there, we take
this to heart.
When you go out there andyou're a law enforcement officer
, we're out there to protectpeople, protect property, and
when you see stuff like this soblatantly and it's like frigging
knuckleheads dude and we'regoing to dive into it, so I'm

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going to hold it, but Jesus.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Keto 50 said give sergeants a bad name for sure.
Probably was like this withother cops too, oh for sure.
I think that this being asergeant coming in hot like this
speaks to probably a morecultural issue within the
department.
So I think that's a fair reach.
I'm speculating 100%, but Ithink that's a fair reach.
I'm speculating 100%, but Ithink that's a fair reach.

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And I actually talked to MrBillfold about this one on the
sidelines and he's the one thatbrought that to my attention.
He was like yeah, how manyother people has he approached
like this?
This is just the first one thatgot busted.
So there's probably a wholeslew of issues.
So here's the two issues we have.
We're trying to get ID.
We don't have a right to ID andwe're threatening arrest.

(23:30):
And then we're trying to getvagrancy.
Vagrancy doesn't exist and it'snot even the elements of the
offense.
Let's be fair.
We can't see him and judgewhich.
When you read that vagrancy,how do you determine that this
person has no place to go,unless they tell you I'm
homeless, like this seems veryjudgy by a person's appearance.

(23:52):
You know what I mean.
So let's keep playing.
Can I just leave?

Speaker 7 (23:57):
If you wish to do so.
Bondi, to identify you.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I don't wish to do so .
I'd like to stay here.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Express my.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, so legalese jared.
What did you just tell him?
That he needs to leave.
You're free to leave, you'refree to leave you're free to
leave.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But you're free to leave, but no, and just to break
that down to people, what doesthat mean?
And you know, and I'm not anattorney, but just speaking on a
law enforcement peace officerplatform, you're free to leave
means that this is concluded,this is done.
My investigation over when youtell somebody you're free to
leave because if you're in a carright now I'd say and see you,
yeah, and take off, right.

(24:40):
So this is where I mean it.
Just this sergeant, if you wantto call him, that has got a
frigging shovel and he isdigging and digging, and digging
.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yep, yep, this is and I have discussed this this is
an ego as well.
The ego is already taken overbecause this guy pressed back
and when the ego takes over, ithijacks that emotional side and
we're no longer thinking withour logical, reasonable side of
a brain.
You're literally thinking withthe wrong part of your brain
when this happens.

(25:11):
So the ego has taken over andhe's doubling down and he's
going into that the part that,like, still drives me nuts.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like, according to the viewers, this law was
repealed years and years agoalready right brad door.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Eric is magnum pi your hero yes, this.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
This is why my face is red.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Eric is he doesn't know.
This is literally the magnum pi.
Retro rifle shirt it's awesome,man, it's yeah, yeah that's why
I got it Shout out to RetroRifle.
Be sure to check them out, guys.
They are our official sponsorand we get these cool Hawaiian
shirts that have hidden guns inthem.

(25:52):
And this is the Magnum PIEdition, which you guys know.
I'm from Michigan originally.
I'm a Detroit Tigers fan and Igot the brows.
I got a little bit of thatCelic.
Look, why not embrace it?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I'm not as keen.
I think we need to do a photoshoot of you in a red Ferrari.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I was just going to say let's find one of our
connections to hook you up for ared Ferrari for a day.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I've got some friends who've got one.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I'll get them, jean shorty shorts.
Hell yeah the bomber.
This would be the promo for dtvas you do, a spin-off of yeah,
just a total, but like aterrible cop, not a good.
Yes, like a lieutenant danielshort shorts, yeah just goofing

(26:39):
out here, absolutely let's bringit back again all right, all
right back to joffrey you're notgonna stay here, period, I'll
let you know do I have to leave?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
yes, why?
Because I'm instructing you,I'm giving you a lawful order to
leave and if I don't leaveyou're going to jail I'll go to
jail for failure officer,sergeant joffrey in sergeant
joffrey on y'all have a good day.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
You got your ID with you.
So if I don't leave, I'll go tojail.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yep give me your.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
ID first.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
You cannot hold the ID hostage.
He's either free to go or he'snot.
We have no right to ID.
Greg Turner chimed in.
He said hey guys, great showtonight.
Retired chief Turner, ozarkMountain Ranch Rangers.
I moved to galveston, texas,open security investigations
agency enjoying retirement.
Miss leo, work but make moremoney and have more time with

(27:32):
the wife and family.
Love it.
Appreciate your service,brother, congrats on your
retirement yeah, um, I don'tknow who this is.
It just says linkedin user.
But uh missed you guys lasttime.
I'm glad you're both back.
I missed us last time too.
So, um, what you meant to saywas eric wasn't on last week so
I didn't watch it.
I get it fair.
Not true at all.

(27:52):
Uh, mag dump just said uh, justnew intro for weekly live eric
doing the hood slide on aferrari yes, oh, I've got
friends, we'll make it.
You just hear my you just hearmy hairy butt cheeks screeching
across the middle.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And the gentleman that just said Link, just so you
know, that's David Cardoso.
He's usually here almost everylive, so thank you, david, for
the comment.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm not sure why LinkedIn is not sharing.
It just airs out like thatevery once in a while guys, it's
not you, it's me, all right,let's keep going, we're holding
the id hostage and threateningwith arrest.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I love that already.
If I don't give you I d, I'llgo to jail.
Yes, even though I've explainedto you that I'm engaged in
constitutionally protected Idon't care if you explain it to
me or not safeguarded by thefirst amendment.
It's freedom of speech, freedomof religion and freedom of
assembly on a traditional publicforum the steps of city hall
correct?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
yeah, he's 100.
Right, that is as traditionalas it gets.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
That is public property and recording on, not
like that but it's like ifyou're in this officer's shoes
and you made all these mistakesleading up to it and he just
said that to you, it should be awake-up call like, oh yeah,
you're right, goodbye, yeah yeah, if it's not now we've got some
serious, you know, tyrannicalissues going on here, whether

(29:13):
it's based out of ignorance andhe doesn't know any better, or
he does know better, which iseven worse.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
so I would love to lean on the side that he doesn't
know better, but I kind of Ikind of read bullshit for a
living.
I think this guy knows exactlywhat he's doing, so let's keep
going.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
I'm not begging for money.
I'm not begging for money.
Do I need to show you my ID?

Speaker 7 (29:36):
You need to show me your ID.
Yes, sir.
Or what.
You're going to jail.
It doesn't matter if you commita crime or not.
You have to identify areference to a complaint.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, let me give you guys the corrupt version of
what he just said.
Basically, if I'm walking downthe street as a cop and I see
somebody, I'm like oh, that's asuspect I think that we've been
looking for.
We don't have his ID.
I could have a CI call in andsay, hey, there's a suspicious
person on the corner remainingfirst.
Now he's doing me a favor bycalling that in and because I

(30:10):
got a complaint, I get to idthat guy.
That's how easily corruptiblewhat he just said is.
That's why that's not true yepI mean.
Otherwise cops would be callingin tips all the time on
themselves like, hey, there's asuspicious person over there.
Oh sir, we got a call.
We had to come over here, giveme your ID.
That's not how it works.

(30:30):
They have to be suspicious.
That would make the job so mucheasier.
It would make the job a loteasier, right.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Because you're violating.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
You need to have reasonable, artificial suspicion
that a crime is a fact.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
Yeah, I do have reasons.
I just instructed you.
Vagrancy?
Yeah, what ordinance is that?
City ordinance.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Even though I've explained to you that I'm
engaged in constitutionallyprotected, you don't need to
explain anything to me, becauseI literally don't care.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
This isn't some which , okay, I'm going to give
Joffrey a little latitude onthat, because I've had people
spew some really dumb stuff atme before, especially sovereign
citizens, and I don't care.
I literally don't care.
They will hand me a book 18times thicker than this.
You know, I'm separated fromthe, the state, and I'm, you

(31:14):
know, an independent sovereignof the nation and you need to
read this and you need to signhere and here, and as they keep
going, I'm like I don't give afuck, dude and and I don't give
a shit if somebody wants toseparate, but if you separate,
get the freak out of the country.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's separation.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
If you're here, you got to abide by the rules.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yes, absolutely yeah, that's just the way it goes.
So if you're going to be hereand you don't get to have the
cake and eat it too, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
So we lost him again.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, jared's got a hard line and he's still.
I told him he's being hacked bythe Chinese Um it's that dual
certification screwed up thebandwidth.
But in that, uh, I I've hadmoments, so I don't want to sit

(32:07):
here and come across like I'venever said what this guy just
said.
I haven't said that.
I've told people.
I don't care, because I'm notarguing with you on the side of
the road during a traffic stopwhen you try the sovereign
citizen stuff, because that'sargument for court, it's not an
argument for the side of theroad.
You need to provide your ID.
I need your license,registration and proof of
insurance.
That's it.
That's as simple as a trafficstop gets when it's on a public
roadway and you're in a motorvehicle.
So when they try to do all thisstuff, I don't need it, I only
need that stuff.

(32:28):
So that is me letting you knowthat I am not trying to play
holier than thou.
Like I don't say that stuff, Ido say that stuff, and I'm sure
Banning said it, I'm sure Jaredsaid it.
So thanks, banning.
Eric Tomsel wants his shirtback.
Hey, hey, at ease.

(32:49):
You guys are just jelly becauseyou don't have this cool shirt.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Thank you very much.
I think you played Mr Baseballtoo, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yes, yes, mr Baseball is one of my favorite moves,
all right let's Free will stateman.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
That's how it is in the state of mississippi, so you
don't have freedom in the stateof mississippi if you don't
like it, you can go back toflorida okay, one more thing too
.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Okay, jared, I'm gonna pose this towards you.
You're, you're in a city that'sgot what appears to be some
nice palm trees, um wavelengthmississippi so I've never heard
of it, so I'm going to assumeit's pretty small.
Are you wasting your time withan arrest on this?
No, like, even.

(33:33):
Let's say he had vagrancy,let's say he had that.
I'm going to do everything inmy power to not have to do that.
Like I'm gonna be like allright.
Uh, yeah, that all makes sense,sounds good.
All right, have a nice daybecause I'm not wasting my time.
I don't have an actual crimeyou videotaping and being an

(33:54):
irritant if that's the case this.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
This is actually the type of guy I see comments all
over the country when I lookinto these videos of officers
screwing up of my.
My God, I wonder if his wife'sokay.
This is one that I'm actuallylike.
I wonder if his family is okayat home with the way he is
twisting stuff coming at thisperson.
Where the freak did he learnthis?
And you know what I'm saying,and I want to go up the chain

(34:19):
and find that out.
And then let's open up thosebooks of all the calls that
they've been on.
How many people have been intheir County or municipal jail
that didn't need to be there?
Yep, based on this, thisgentleman's attitude.
Sorry, that's just again.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Mr Billfold said I want better cops because without
the rule of law, the week willget crushed.
There is evil that we need tobe protected from, but not of.
The badge is as evil as ajoffrey.
Um, yeah, I, I'm with you.
And then marine blood said hito everyone who said hi to me
earlier.
I'm trying to type when my bossisn't around.
Do not get in trouble for thisstupid show.
Do not get in trouble.

(34:59):
Marine blood is bad enough.
You can't get an account, amembership, the last thing we
need.
Uh, by the way, he stilldoesn't have a membership.
So, um, if anybody wants todrink because of that, go ahead.
We got a few rules.
Anytime, self-proclaimed herosaid anytime, marine blood
doesn't get an account.
Anytime I say biggie size, uh,what else I sit with?

(35:20):
Alan has said these are alldrinking games.
So let's see.
Exactly, sergeant Magnum,that's got a ring to it.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Real quickly.
Keto about 30 minutes ago askedBanning, is your carnivore diet
working man?
It is.
It is Haven't been this low inweight in over two years
sticking with it, feeling great.
It's lifted a lot of brain fog,making me feel good getting
back in the gym.
It's been freaking outstanding.
So thank you for asking that.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Hell yeah, brother.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Nice man.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Harrison coming through.
You dropped 10 memberships.
I see I'm looking for Will.
Cochran.
Got one.
He's been on here quite a bit.
Individual, I don.
He's been on here quite a bit,uh, individual I don't know what
that one was.
Um life with me.
Oh, dead leg.
Got one.
What's?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
up dead leg.
Hell yeah, uh, he's not on heretonight.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
But that's awesome, uh.
But you know who didn't get one?
Marine blood, salu.
Ah, ozark, moon drink and deadleg got one.
I love it.
Uh, let's see.
Keto said awesome, brother,proud.
Yep, I need to get back on mycar, thank you.

(36:33):
I did carnivore for four months, loved it, um.
And since I've been stuck in anoffice I have not been working
out like I normally do because Ijust been I'll just say I've
been making excuses.
So, uh-oh, brandar's jumping onthrowing out 10 memberships.
Let's see if it lets it gothrough.
Thank you, brandar, and thankyou, uh, harrison.

(36:55):
I'm waiting to see if they gothrough.
Oh, no, no, he did one.
No, no, no.
It says gifted 10 memberships,gifted 10.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, level one, level one membership.
So it should go through, weshould be.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, normally, if one goes, through they all go
through, but we're waiting tosee.
I see max, the wet floor signguy, the names y'all come up
with.
That's awesome.
It looks like it's only goingto let one go through.
I don't know if we got cut offalready.
Shit, that was fast all right.

(37:29):
Well, hey, if you guys want tohelp support the show, please
hit up the super stickers.
That seems to be the best wayin the most consistent way.
Um, I'm not sure if there's acool down thing that goes on.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
But yeah, it's not for whatever reason it's not
letting it go through.
Hey, brandar, let us know Justeither message Eric in the
background or whatever tomorrow,if that charge came off on your
, however your method of paymentwas and stuff didn't go through
, just so we can kind of keeptrack of it.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm a top chat fan funding.
Yeah, there's another one.
Get the 10 memberships, brianThompson.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, brian's trying.
I don't think it's going to gothrough.
Keep up the great work, bannon,I apologize, you look great.
That was from David.
Again, again, oh no, no worries.
Oh, dead legs on.
He's like I should be on nextweek.
Uh, I believe micro center isgetting a visit tomorrow with a

(38:35):
new camera.
Nice, uh, you got a membershipdead leg, you.
You won super and highlightedmembership message will show up
here.
Okay, um, sorry, I'm justlooking at all the chat yeah,
and that's good.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
So.
So acorn mag done basicallysaid when it breaks on them,
they get the money back.
That's good to hear.
So what would really make meupset if these people are
investing in our show, so tospeak, and and money's coming
out but they're not getting whatthey paid for?
Um, because I will go go findthe person that that is.
Uh, because I just will.
I'm not going to go any further, because we buy something, by

(39:10):
god, you're supposed to get ityeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I don't know.
I don't know what the deal is,why it doesn't let it go through
.
It's frustrating to us becausewe depend on it to pay the bills
.
That way it's not constantlycoming out of our pocket, but it
is what it is.
We're still going to do theshow regardless.
Sergeant Eric, thanks for theGhost Patch lead.

(39:34):
They designed my companypatches Awesome, hell yeah, and
logo.
So yeah, shout out to GhostPatch.
Make sure you guys go checkthem out.
I don't have my patch next tome.
Bannon, you got one next to you.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I got my trusty faithful flex one.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
There we go.
Yeah, we got to get you thenewer one, the newer 3D one I
think that's the older one, but,yeah, make sure you guys go
check them out.
And then let's see here, ohyeah, and shout out to another
sponsor, peregrine.
Listen, I'm going to take asecond here to give a shout out
to one of our main and topsponsors, and that is Peregrine.

(40:11):
So I want you guys to imaginethe path that we've taken with
technology.
Sherlock Holmes what was histechnology?
Magnifying glass right,technology, magnifying glass,
right.
So we went from magnifyingglasses being a breakthrough for
law enforcement.
Then we jumped forward aboutthe.
I think right at around 1900,maybe a little bit before that.

(40:35):
We had fingerprinting, sofinger fingerprint dusting
started, and then after that wejumped to DNA evidence and body
cams and LPR.
So we had all these differenttechnologies that come up that
have helped in law enforcement.
And to me, what the next latestand greatest is going to be is

(40:55):
Peregrine and Peregrineio.
I want you guys to check themout if you're in law enforcement
.
It is going to be.
It's basically data analytics,advanced data analysis that
takes all of your existing stuff.
So it takes all of yourdifferent things that keep
information in your departmentand it lets them work together.

(41:15):
It lets them talk to each otherand put things together for you
in a logical order to helpcatch bad guys.
It helps alleviate having notenough manpower and it can take
what would take a detective aweek a month and get that down
into minutes.
So I highly recommend Peregrineand.

(41:38):
I'm basically putting most of mycareer into getting them
attention because I think theywill make that much of a
difference in in law enforcement.
So, all right, let's get thatout of the way what did the
billfold say on there?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
because that's this is the third or fourth time
somebody, when I, when I'vearrested people, they've called
me that name.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I don't know john umber for all my yeah.
Who's john umber?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
it's a game of thrones reference I don't
remember who John is.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh, I think John is.
I'll look it up.
I think John's the North guy.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Man, I'll be honest with you I've never watched Game
of Thrones.
I need to watch it.
It's Hodor.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Hodor, I think.
I could be wrong.
Let me see.
Is that him, john Umber, johnUmber, john Umber, john Umber is
the head of the house.
Oh, no, he's House Umber.
No, no, I was wrong.
It's not him, it's not Eye ofthe Night.

(42:41):
Look at these clowns.
He's talking to us.
This is John.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Umber uh share this tab banning with all the travel
you do.
You should download it and justwatch it on the plane that's a
good thought, man.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I need to.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I need to do that you'll get upset you'll get
upset as soon as it the thewriting from the original author
stops and then jumps to the newdude or the new writers.
Okay, where were we?
I?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
hear it's a great show.
I've just never had the time todo it.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Go ahead.
Oh, you're good.
Sorry, Another video started upwhile I was doing it.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
Okay here we go.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Did you take an oath up, hold and defend the
Constitution when you served?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I absolutely did.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Yeah, you're not doing that right now.
Okay, that's your opinion?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Did you take an oath upholding the defendant?
Constitution when you became acop.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
That is your opinion.
Then you're not doing it rightnow?
That's your opinion Central to11-14.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Go ahead 10-4, that 27 is going to come back to a
Marcus Jeffery.
Valid negative 29,.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
Negative force All right, Mr Jeffrey, you're free
to go Free to go.
Can I stay?
No, you cannot stay, you gottago.
Well, don't go.
I'll go with you.
Give me a lawful order and I'llcome back.
You ready.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Please raise your right hand, if you're sorry.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
All right, so we got all that.
I'm going to hide the no.
I don't need to hide thatno-transcript.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Hey, Simon, I swear that the testimony you're about
to get and the followingthoughts will be the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but thetruth.
Sergeant Joffrey on, I thinkyou know what we're here about.
Have you reviewed the body camfootage that was obtained during
your interaction with Mr Gray?
When was the last time that youreviewed that Yesterday?

(44:48):
What's your understanding ofthe First Amendment in the
United States Constitution?

Speaker 7 (44:54):
I don't recall.
I'm not an expert.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
It's boros.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Alright, so that's just the start.
This is how it gets started.
Y'all, he's already claimingthat he's not an expert In the
first amendment.
So for me let's say I can't.

(45:18):
Okay, let me just tell you howI would have, how I would have
done it.
I would have told them andJared and Bannon, you tell me
how I would have done it.
I would have told them, andJared and Banning, you tell me.
So I would have clarified Doyou want me to repeat it
verbatim?
Because if you want it verbatim, I can't give it to you.
I can't repeat anythingverbatim.
I don't know things like that.
But do you want like a roughoutline of it?

(45:40):
So that's how I would haveanswered it, banning, what would
you have done.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I would you know if I was as retarded.
I'm sorry, I can't use thatword.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, that's a banned word.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
If I were you know this bad of trained and I was
still walking on my two feet andsomebody hasn't taken me out
yet I probably would have said Idon't recall the entire
incident, but this is what I dorecall.
And ever since that incidentI've been getting so much shit
from everybody on YouTube.
Everybody at my department Like, hey, you're just a SWAT boy,

(46:10):
boi, and you just think yourshit is held to a higher
standard and all you care aboutis that call from dispatch
saying we're about to go do adebrief and we're going to go
kick a door, because he doesn'tgive a shit about anybody's
frigging rights.
All he wants to think is he's abadass that carries a gun.
And that's what I get from thisentire entire thing.
And I have no, no clue why ofhow.

(46:30):
Who put a fucking badge on himExcuse my French for anybody
that's watching that.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
In a long time.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
If I ran into this dude at a bar and I knew that
was him, I'd take the class C orscrew that.
I took the class C or screwthat, I'd take the class A.
Dude, how many people has?
This is one person.
This dude's a sergeant, so he'sat least been a cop.
I've known somebody that's gotpromoted in two to three years,
but I bet it took longer forthis dude.
He's a POS, but we'll continueon.

(46:59):
That's just again.
Just what I think.
Same opinion.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
That's just again.
Just what I think, yeah, so no,you know, same opinion, and I'm
right there with the Eric.
I would, you know, preface thisthe same way.
It's like I can't repeat itverbatim.
I can give you a generaloutline or general understanding
, but I can't, you know, giveyou word for word.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, and I would have been able to do.
We got, uh, freedom of press,speech, assembly, uh, and
religion, like, like that's howI would, that's how I remember
it, like personally, like that'show I remember it, and um, and

(47:35):
I think there's something aboutpetitioning, something like that
.
I don't know, I don't know howto repeat it, but I know it.
So that's how I would have gonewith this, but he chose to go
with.
I don't recall, I'm not anexpert, so let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Do you know what the First Amendment protects?
I don't.
I don't at all.
Do you know what the FourthAmendment the United States
Constitution protects?
I don't at all.
Do you know what the fourthamendment to the United States
constitution?
Do you know what theMississippi constitution
provides regarding the right ofthe people to feasibly assemble
and petition the government?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Then how are you a cop?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I don't get it.
I don't Now.
I was going to get to thispoint, but I think we can do it
now.
So I'm looking at this as a twoforked road.
Okay, guys, he could have takenroad number one where he says I
don't know, and he's beinghonest.
So now you clarify I don't know.

(48:43):
But, sir, you say you don'tknow, you know if I'm the
attorney?
Can you tell me what you doknow?
Okay, this is kind of the roughand you just show them how dumb
you are, you, you, you know.
You kneel on that sword becauseyou're at fault and you're
wrong, and this is bringing thatout, so you just own it.
To be honest, I really don'tknow.
I'm not trained well enough, Idon't pay attention, whatever

(49:04):
your reasons are for not knowing, but you just fall on the sword
and what you expose is yourdepartment's failures.
And, yes, you're still going toget fired, but now it falls on
the department for you being anidiot because they didn't train
you well enough.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It even doesn't even classify.
The fuck darn.
I'm sorry, man, but this.
We've seen some videos, eric.
We've seen a lot that wehaven't even put out here, that
were retarded, let me say itlike that.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
But this guy, freaking, takes the cake right
so, but now there's the otherfork, and this is the way that I
think we're all kind of seeing.
It is the I don't recall, Idon't recall.
This is a playbook that isstraight out of a what do you
call it?
A POA, an FOP, a union forpolice?

(49:57):
And where they tell you justdon't, if you don't remember it
verbatim, you just say I don'trecall.
Now, you're technically notlying, that you don't recall.
It's up to this attorney tomake you clarify.
Can you tell me what little bityou do know, and then which?
I'm not sure if he ends upgetting to that point, but he's

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lying.
And so if you weren't ignorant,if ignorance was not the
problem and a failure to train,which, that was road number one,
now you're lying.
So if you're going to be, ifyou're lying, if you're under
oath and you're lying, thattells me that the stuff you did
in the street was intentional.
If what you did, if path numbertwo is what you're taking,

(50:42):
where you're lying on the standto try to protect your ass, you
deserve prison because what youdid in the street was
intentional, and that ismalicious, versus if you would
have just taken path number one,where you're an idiot.
You own being an idiot, butyou're an innocent idiot, so to

(51:04):
speak.
Speak where you didn't knowthat you were violating
somebody's rights.
Okay, I, I can deal with that.
You're fired, you're not goingto be a cop ever again.
But uh, you're, you're notgoing to prison.
So those are the two roads.
I see, jared, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
yeah, no, I'm just like reading the comments that
are scrolling by and, like the,I think it was centurion
tactical that says like a copthat doesn't know.
Fourth Amendment, question marklike yeah, like.
The Fourth Amendment is ourbread and butter.
That's where we live.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, and Freeman, he's Right on target with what I
was saying is he knows, he justdoesn't care because he's not
going to be Held accountable.
Although this ass hat mightafter the show Right, we'll see.
This is the thing.
Although this ass hat mightafter the show right, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
This is the type of thing and hold on to that
comment for one second.
This is the type of guy when hedoes go to prison.
It's general population and youknow I've never thought about
infiltrating a prison, but it'slike get in there.
How do we get that dude a shirtthat says I was a cop and I
probably violated your rights?
He's got to wear it all thetime.
I'm sorry, man, but this is theclown that makes us look like

(52:07):
shit.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yep.
Mr Billfold said that I don'trecall is used for qualified
immunity defenses, trying not tocommit to any answers, hoping
that the case will get dismissedon qualified immunity before
summary judgment.
I think he's 100% right.
Eye of the night, or, I'm sorry, mag dump said eye of the night

(52:29):
100 total ego.
Harrison brock said two cops,one done it.
Who is dumber?
Is this leo or the leo fromcook, county illinois?
I don't remember that one.
Um gotta be more specific, bud,you're probably being really
specific, I just don't know it.
Um sparky cool name, by the way.
Sparky said I plead the fifthone, two, three, four, five,

(52:52):
fifth and this is the first timeI'm going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Highlight steve ladner's comment uh-oh, where's
he at.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Where's he at?
Where's he?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
fourth, one down.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Fourth one uh, 20 years in the big house would
give him enough time to read theconstitution and the bill of
rights.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
I don't know, steve I don't think he can freaking
read.
To begin with, I think he hasthat guy riding with him to read
the menu at mcdonald's whenhe's going for his freaking meal
.
He's dead.
This takes the cake, man.
Of everything I've watched inthe past three years, this dude
takes the cake.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yep, mr billfold, I agree've watched in the past
three years.
This dude takes the cake.
Yep, mr Billfold, I agree withSteve Ladner on this one.
Uh-oh, we're bringing himtogether.
Freeman Key, steve.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Look at you creating family.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I know right.
He's like the evil stepbrotherthat did a good deed.
Now everybody's on his side.
I like it.
It's like Scar reaching out hishand to catch Mufasa.
Now I'm just waiting for Steveto ruin it and throw Mufasa in
the ditch.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Everything the light touches is yours.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Right, oh man.
So Tim's on there he is.
Where did he go?
Shoot man.
People are commenting left andright.
I can't keep up.
On there he is, where'd he go?
Shoot man.
People are commenting left andright.
I can't keep up.
Tim said if he goes to prisonas an ex-CO, they know he's an
ex-cop before he gets on the bus.
That's awesome, yep, bend overand touch your toes.

(54:16):
Alright, let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
What the Constitution of the State of Mississippi
provides regarding freedom ofspeech and freedom of press.
I don't recall.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
Do you?

Speaker 5 (54:29):
know what the Mississippi Constitution
provides with regard todeprivation of life, liberty and
property without due process oflaw?
I'm not a lawyer.
I understand that you're a lawenforcement officer, not a
lawyer.
My that, your law enforcementofficer, not only.
My question was very simple.
Do you know?
I don't recall.

(54:50):
Mr gray asked you in this videoif you had undertaken an oath
to uphold and protect theConstitution of the United
States of America and youresponded yes.
Do you remember that?
Correct, and did you also takean oath to uphold the

(55:13):
Constitution of the state ofMississippi?
I don't recall, but you wouldagree that your oath required
you to abide by the Constitution, whatever it may require.
Repeat the question.
You would agree that your oathrequired you to uphold the

(55:34):
Constitution whatever it mayrequire which oath?
Your oath of office.
You took an oath to be a policeofficer, didn't you?
I don't recall?
Do you recall telling Mr Graythat you had taken an oath?

Speaker 7 (55:48):
I don't recall what are the video states.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
What training did you have regarding law enforcement
in the Air Force?
Oh Lord, basic law enforcement,and what does that include?
Can't think off the top of myhead.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
To be honest with you .

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Just law enforcement stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
So I'm going to go out on a limb Now.
You guys know I am trained asan Air Force cop and I train Air
Force cops when I go there andI know how significantly lacking
they are when it comes to thecivilian side of law enforcement
.
It was a completely differentset of rules on a base when it
comes to the UCMJ, the UniformCode of Military Justice, and

(56:38):
how the laws work out in thecivilian world.
So when I hear former MPswhether it's Army, navy Marines
or the Air Force try to say,when they're separating, well, I
basically already know lawenforcement because I was a cop
in the military, so I'll justtransition over.
If a department allows you todo that, that's not the

(56:59):
department you want to work for.
They are setting you up forfailure and I think that's the
case here.
I bet he separated and theygave him a little Pop-Tart
training academy four-week,six-week academy and this is the
result, because I thinksomebody put in the comments he
was hired in 2023.
And he's already a sergeant.
So in the way he's acting, heis more like a military cop, in

(57:23):
my opinion, than somebody thatwas trained in civilian law
enforcement.
That's what I see.
Freeman Keyes, chair Force.
Eric, I know you didn't trainhim.
Hell, no God, wouldn't that befunny if he did train under me
somehow.
I just didn't remember him.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I'd like to, freaking , physically interview the guys
that did train them.
Yeah, how many pos's does thisgo up right?
Yeah, the guy next to him andand I could be completely wrong
the guy next to him on thisspecific call.
Was he trained by this tard?
Yeah, does he sit therethinking like, yeah, you go,
sarge, you are right there going.

(58:03):
And then he starts hearing thecomments a couple days days
later, when this shit hitsYouTube, what do you mean?
We're wrong.
And they probably come to thePD off duty and they start
talking to their admin and thecity attorney comes in.
Anyway, I'm sure it was a eyeopener and this dude maybe even
lost 30 minutes of sleep.

(58:24):
I don't think he's going tolose too much sleep.
He's too much of a I hate theword.
He is a tyrant man.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think he I look just, you know, and I
hate doing the look at his face,you know, cause that's
speculating.
I don't know what's going on inhis head, but the the arrogance
and cockiness that he's, youknow, radiating right now is
like, bro, you did not deservethat type of arrogance, like at
all.

(58:49):
So he thinks he's right.
That's the crazy part.
He thinks he's right.
So um Magdump said two cops onedonut.
I got his trainers Larry Curly.
That's a little old schoolthrowback, deadly.
How to lose your job in 10minutes.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
When you went to the Law Enforcement Academy, what
training did you receive on?
They didn't say laws.
I can't remember Stop and frisklaws.
I never ran over Stop and friskIn.
What training do you remember?

Speaker 7 (59:33):
Patting down subjects for weapons, do you?

Speaker 5 (59:37):
remember any training on what you required before you
could stop someone and friskthem I can't recall.
Do you recall any training onstatutes that require someone to
identify themselves?
I can't recall.
Oh, he's bored.
Do you recall any training atthe Law Enforcement Academy

(59:59):
about First Amendment?
I can't recall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Do you remember the Reed technique?
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
The Reed interview interrogation absolutely right
yawning.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
He's keeping his arms in front of him as a barrier
because he's uncomfortable.
The yawn is a stress factor.
He's being dishonest.
So a little bit of trainingstuff.
Uh, oh my, my mom supported theshow y'all.
My mom threw 10 bucks to theshow, love it'all.
My mom threw $10 to the showLove it.
Thank you, mom.
My mom's feeling bad.
No, you can't get anymemberships.

(01:00:30):
My mom loves me Too funny, butyeah.
So this goes into thepsychological factors and stuff
on interrogation Him having hisarms up, fingers crossed,
crossed all these things arefactors to consider.
It's not a smoking gun by anymeans, but him yawning and arms

(01:00:52):
folded.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
He's not open to talking to this guy at all it
just adds to our thought of whatwe think about him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
When we watch this, everything that we've been
trained in that we do fuckingrecall yeah right, yeah, I know
how do you not remember what youwere trained in the police
academy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I've been through three y'all how the hell did he
not walk out in handcuffs at theend of this?
And a guy there like sign here,you're on the fucking Brady
list for starters and you'regoing to go over here to the
county jail because you're a POS.
Yeah, and this is what werecall of what your charges will
be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Shotgun's a tattoo.
That's it.
This motherfucker.
I can't stand him.
That's my impression of you,shotgun.
I hope that was pretty close.
I've never met her, so I don'tknow.
I'm just talking shit.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Do you recall any training about the Fourth
Amendment?
I can't know.
I'm just talking shit, let'skeep going.
Do you recall any trainingabout the Fourth Amendment?
I can't recall.
What are the Waveland PoliceDepartment policies on
interaction with the public whenthey are engaged in expressive
conduct?

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
You have to get with them as far as that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
You're a supervisor at the Waveland Police
Department, you don't know thepolicies on interactions with
the public engaged in expressiveconduct.
It's not something I'll studyover.
I can't recall who would know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
So he already put himself in a hole right there.
That's not something I studyover.
It should be, it should be.
I've been a cop 19 years.
I'm constantly looking at itbecause I have a crappy memory
and I know that about myself, soI'm always reviewing it, just
to be like, let me just makesure I'm recalling this stuff

(01:02:38):
who?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
who is the guy, since it's federally mandated?
Who's the guy that's going overhis body camera, which I didn't
see on the stop?
Um, and I think they talk aboutit in this a little bit, but
who's the guy that's reviewinghis dash cam, body cam, audio
stuff?
And uh, how screwed up was thatguy to say that all his stops
are are on point?
Uh, yeah, just to start,where's that at?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
mr buffold, danny needs a THC gummy To get through
this one.
I mean, he's not a cop anymore.
He could technically Well, he'sreserved.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
No, can't do it.
Man Don't want to do it.
I'm high on life, brother, I'mnot gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Not gonna do it A little.
Dana Carvey for you.
Katie Alexander said oh, I'msorry, dr Alexander, we need to
have Katie on the show.
Katie's good people.
Dana Carvey for you.
Katie Alexander said oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I'm sorry, Dr Alexander.
We need to have Katie on theshow.
Katie's good people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I'm not going to misrepresent.
When you've got your doctor,you got your doctor degree out
there, like I'm going to showrespect where it's due.
So Dr Alexander said this iskilling me.
The Constitution is thefoundation of our authority as
law enforcement officers.
Wow, agreed.
That's why we're up here, justnot feeling bad about making
this guy look like an idiot.

(01:03:51):
Well, he's doing that himself.
Let's keep going here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
The policies of the city of Waverly and the Waverly
Police Department with regardingtwo persons engaged in
expressive conduct?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
It's funny.
Every time we answer this, hecloses his eyes too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Any continuing education courses?
Yes, do you have a list ofthose?
Couldn't be bothered.
What do you recall?

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
SWAT school.
List of those.
No, couldn't be bothered.
What do you recall?
Uh, swat school, swat school.
Like, I'm sorry, you're afucking idiot.
You're a fucking idiot like howI I feel bad.
I have, I, you know, a littlebit of empathy for the
department, hoping that this guyjust happens to be the one

(01:04:54):
there that's an idiot.
It's probably not true, but uh,he is making them look so bad,
you know, and there's nothingthey can do to defend this.
It doesn't matter, they hiredhim and it is what it is.
Let's keep going.

(01:05:16):
Anything else I can't recall MrBelfort's trying to get the
trolls going.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
Do you have any continuing education courses?
On the First or FourthAmendment, I can't.
You said that you watched thebody cam footage yesterday.
Having reviewed that within thelast 24 hours, is there

(01:05:41):
anything that you thought youcould have done better?
I could have handled it alittle different.
How.

Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
Could have reworded some things.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
What things.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
Digging the hole now?

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
I can't recall off the top of my head.
Do you need to watch the videoagain?
No, I don't.
So if your testimony is thatyou could have reworded some
things, but you don't know whatthings, I know what things, what
things.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
Just handled it better, talked a little
different.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
How.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
I don't know, I'm not in those shoes right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
You are in those shoes right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Well, part of this is we have the benefit of
hindsight.
We also have the benefit ofhaving reviewed what happened.
I don't know how many timesyou've watched the video At
least once, holbrook.
But other than rewording somethings, things and you can't say
which things you can't tell meanything that you would have

(01:06:49):
done differently or done better.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
Can I start waving the white flag for this guy?
Well, how can?
You say that there are thingsyou would have done, but I don't
think on that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Can I start waving the white flag for this guy?

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Well, how can you say that there are things you would
have done, but I can't answerthe question as to what they
would have been?

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
I just know I could have handled it better, but it
will give me time to think on it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
So did you make any mistakes?

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
No, that is a narcissistic person, if there
ever was one.
The fact that you think youmade no mistakes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Narcissistic is the bottom part, this dude's nutso
man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, like this is sociopathic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Like just the fact that you think you made no
mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
My pulse is like my pulse is outrageous right now.
I'm so angry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I actually feel bad.
I finally figured out whatSteve Lattner has been preaching
about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
It's this guy.
Hey, the author of the videojust made a comment, fyi.
Oh did he.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yep, yes, hell, yes, honor your oath.
Yes, thank you, brother, weappreciate it.
We, we gave your channel credit, we said everything about, so
just don't, I don't want you tothink we're trying to steal your
content.
Uh, we gave you total credit,we love your stuff and uh, yeah,
like you nailed it with thisdude.
But yeah, we're trying to holdthese fucking piece of shit cops

(01:08:24):
like this out there accountable, and this guy does.
This is part of the thing.
This guy does not need to everbe a cop anywhere, ever again no
, and thank you for doing allthe foias.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Thank you for getting this all together and making it
in the public light.
This is coming from a 21 yearcop myself.
Thank you for doing this.
Yeah, this is awesome.
We just had year cop myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Thank you for doing this.
Yeah, this is awesome.
We just had Long Island auditorstart following us, by the way,
and now we got honor, your oathhonor.
If you ever want to come on,brother, we'd love to have you
jump on with us, please.
We, we are.
I don't know how much you knowabout the show, but what we do
is we are not a cop echo chamber, we, we try to highlight good

(01:09:05):
stuff cops do, but we also tryto show, like what you see here
cops doing bad and calling itout and where it fails and how
we fix it.
So, um, one of the ways I thinkwe fix this is we figure out
the hiring process with this guy.
Um, I think that's part of oh,show me your, show me audits is
on too.
I think that's part of show meyour, show me audits is on.
To Holy shit.
We're getting all the auditpeople on the night Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I hope for good reasons.
I truly understand, eric, thatwe're not that echo chamber.
We, if we see bad things, we'regoing to highlight that.
We want the amount of goodthat's out there to be seen.
But, however, if we're seeingthe bad, like you are, we're
going to put it out there aswell.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yep, we're going to highlight the bad cops as well
and we're going to call it outand, more importantly, we're
going to try to educate on howwe fix it.
So one of the things that Iwould recommend that I think is
part of the problem is hiringpeople straight out of the
military and doing thesePop-Tart.
We people straight out of themilitary and doing these

(01:10:11):
pop-tart.
We call them pop-tart academies.
Um, I don't know, that's amilitary term in the air force.
It just means a fast academy.
Anything that's four to sixweeks is is really short, so we
call them pop-tarts.
Uh, so in this, I think whatthey did with this dude was they
probably allowed him to be alateral transfer, uh, straight
out of the military and, like Isaid, if he got hired in 2023
and he's already a Sergeant,like that's insane to me.
Uh, and he doesn't even knowhow to be a fucking cop.
And this is the problem withthinking, because you're a

(01:10:34):
military cop, you're ready to bea civilian cop.
I'm both.
I am a military cop and I'm acivilian cop.
I'm still in the military.
For those that don't know, I'mstill in the military.
I train other military cops.
This guy is part of the problem.
They're cocky, they thinkthey're ready to do this job and
they're not.
You need to go through anacademy.

(01:10:54):
I hate to say it, I've beenthrough three of them.
Y'all you need to be throughone.
Mr Belfort said please checkout Honor your Oath if you folks
haven't.
Yes, I agree, and this is hischannel.
Let's make sure you guys cansee here at the bottom I'll make
biggie size.
Give me a sec.
There we go.
Let me minimize the chat.
That is their site right there.

(01:11:17):
Look for that little whitepicture.
I don't want to click offbecause I don't want to lose the
spot that we're on.
But yeah, that's what we gothere, because I don't want to
lose the spot that we're on.
But yeah, that's what we gothere.
Let me go back to this view.
Let me move you back over here.
There we go, and big size, cool, all right.
So I'm going to get to justpast the 10-minute mark.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
I just wanted to do 10 minutes of this, but let's
keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
Tell me what the elements of vagrancy are.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
I can't think off the top of my head right now.
Tell me what you recall.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Tell me what you recall are the elements of the
crime of vagrancy, which we'vealready looked up.
Vagrancy laws have disappeared,like five or six years ago.
They don't even have it and theelements of vagrancy do not
apply to anything that this guywas doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Even if that law was still in effect, we're still.
You've got no legal reason, theelements of the offense have
not been met and you are stillin violation Right.

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
I can't recall.
I don't know the lulls in myheart.
I just know what certain crimesare.
You don't know fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
You haven't ever, you haven't named a thing, so what?

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
is the crime of vagrancy.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
He hasn't named anything.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
I can't say it verbatim, I'm not asking
verbatim, I'm asking you to tellme.
You just know what the wallsare, what is the crime?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
of vagrancy?
And that is the question.
That is the first time thisattorney has hit him with
something that you cannot backout of.
I'm not asking verbatim, I'mjust telling you to tell me what
you know about it, and he'scornered him here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And props to the attorney.
The attorney's not being anasshole, no, he's staying on
script.
He's staying there.
He's keeping a monotone voice.
Every question is the same toneand demeanor.
He's not being a dick and,excuse my French if that offends
people, don't really give ashit on this.
This guy's a POS.
This attorney's doing a goodjob.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
I agree, and the fact that he can't say what the
elements are, but yet the daythat he was going to take this
guy's rights away, he was goingto apply it even though he
didn't know what it was oh, hetotally put the rights away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I mean I know you agree, but he's already taken
the rights away, that that wholeentire call his rights were
taken away but what jared justsaid is how we get him on the
stand like that's that's what'sgoing to happen to you, and this
is what I'm trying to warn.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
if you're a cop out there newer cop, um, or a cop
that's not very experienced ingoing to court that's how the
attorneys.
Their whole focus is todiscredit you and make you look
like an asshole, even if you'renot the focus of the crime
itself.
Sometimes you're just there asthe cop that took the report.
Now he's the center ofattention.

(01:13:58):
So in that, if they decide tofile criminal charges on him,
what Jared just said is exactlywhat the defense attorney is
going to set him up for.
Okay, you couldn't name this,you couldn't name this, you
couldn't name this.
So why the fuck were you tryingto arrest my guy?
If you can't name any of thatstuff, what did you have?
And you're dead in the water.
You're dead in the water.

Speaker 7 (01:14:20):
Can't answer that.
Right now I'm talking to myhead.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
You accused Mr Gray of vagrancy the moment you
stepped out of your cruise.
What were you accusing him ofdoing?
Harassing customers.
So, is vagrancy harassing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
What customers do you have at a town hall?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, I was going to say what are customers walking
into City Hall?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I get it If you're applying for yeah, if you're
applying for you know um things,permits and stuff, I guess
you're kind of technically acustomer, at least call them a
client.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Give them that.
Don't call them a customer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Good lord, yeah, yeah something uh, shotguns and
tattoos for super chat.
Thank you for the five dollars.
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Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
We ain't gonna forget you, girl oh, and if you saw
her comment earlier, eric, shesaid you nailed her accent, so
oh beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Uh, I'm glad you said accent after that I'm like keep
going, eric.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I'll be back in 30 45 seconds I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Okay, banning's got a fart, that's all that is.
Um, so, uh, what was the pointI was getting to?
Um, yeah, so being customers istown hall is what it is, but,
um, all right, let's, uh, let'skeep going here I didn't ask.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
That is vagrancy harassing.
Is that what you think thecrime of vagrancy is?
So what is the crime ofvagrancy?

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
you can't think of all the top of my head right now
.
You don't know what the crimeof vagrancy I can't think of off
the top of my head right now.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
You don't know what the crime of vagrancy is.
If I had that statute in frontof me, I could then tell you Are
you aware that the statute hadbeen repealed five years before
you accused Mr Gray of vagrancy?
Correct, all right.
So how did he commit the crimeof vagrancy?
How could he possibly havecommitted a crime that had been
repealed five years ago, thatyou can't even define?
I didn't arrest him or identifyhim off of vagrancy.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Do we need to watch the video?

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
If you want to watch it, you can, I'll not.
Well, let's watch the beginningof the video.
If you want to watch it, youcan or not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Well, let's watch the beginning of the video up to
this point that we're talkingabout with vagrancy, oh my god.
Okay, so I'm pausing thisbecause, uh, mr bill fold asked
me to highlight I would havedone it without the two bucks,

(01:16:50):
but thank you, brother.
Um, I just didn't see it.
There was too many commentspopping up.
But, uh, honor your oath, uh,civil rights investigation.
Shout out to them again.
This is where we're getting thevideo off of his youtube
channel.
Make sure you guys like,subscribe, follow, uh, but,
matter of fact, I don't think Iam subscribed.
I'm not.
I am now.
So they are trying to get aprotective order to remove this

(01:17:14):
video.
They are threatening me withlegal action.
I don't know how they're goingto do that, because I believe
this should be publicinformation, right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Yeah, if you got your FOIA request, there's really
nothing you can do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I would assume that this is a free game.
Baby Is what it is.
Well, guess what?
It's also out there now on mine.
So good luck, especially when Igo.
Well, I'm a cop.
I'm using this for trainingpurposes Training and education,
which is really what we do.

(01:17:51):
So everybody's going wait, he'sstill a cop.
I don't know.
Is this guy still a cop?
That's another real question.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
At the end of the video and correct me if I'm
wrong.
Those who've watched all theway, like Eric and I have it
does state that he has not losta day of employment and the
stuff that I found out onlinesince this, and they also, and
we're going to get into it, butI believe he still is only to
the to the end point of this,this video when it was launched
I don't know about now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, I'm actually going to uh, we're, we're over
10 minutes on that one.
I'm going to stop sharing onthat.
I think we all get the pointwith this guy.
And that begs to answer thequestion of if you're the
employer and you see this, howdid you not fire him?
Because now, if you see this asan employer, If I'm the chief,

(01:18:38):
if I'm the sheriff, if I'mwhoever's employing this guy, as
soon as I see this, you're done.
You're done Because I eitherthink you're lying or you're too
incompetent to do the job.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
And I think that's what Greg Turner, who said he
was a chief, that was his firstcomment.
It was like he would have beengone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Show me the audit said at honoryour civil rights
investigations.
You need it to be mirrored.
I'll do it if you want.
Oh, there you go.
See, I don't know how thisstuff works.
You need it.
So you just got to flip itaround, invert it, and that I

(01:19:19):
love it.
I love the little technicality,see, this is why I need these
people around.
I need to know these littletips and tricks so we can still
have accountability andtransparency out there.
This needs to be sharedeverywhere.
Yeah, he's shared enough places.
Good luck.
They can't keep up and I have afeeling that this guy is going
to be in a lot of policetraining academies Not him, but
the video as training academiesnot him, but the video.

(01:19:40):
Yeah, as a what not to be inthis job.
You absolutely should watchthis video as a cop.
If my cop friends out there arewatching, watch this guy's
video and just be like I don'tever want to be this dude.
I don't ever want to look thatstupid.
I mean, I consider this aprofession, jared, I'm not.
You're in the same boat,banning.

(01:20:01):
I'm'm sure.
I've always considered this aprofession and if I'm going to
do a profession, I'm going totake it serious because I don't
want to be an idiot when you'retaking somebody's rights away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Yes, I do not take that lightly marine's blood.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Do you know how to breathe?
Do you know how to breathe?
Do you know how to eat?
I don't recall.
Oh shit, liability of theagency for lack of training?
Yeah, absolutely, it's a given.
The department's going to getsued.
That's a given.
Department will get sued thismoron.

(01:20:38):
He probably won't losequalified immunity.
Even if he does lose qualifiedimmunity, it's not going to go
anywhere.
Even if he does lose qualifiedimmunity, it's not going to go
anywhere.
So Greg Turner said this manwould never have been a sergeant
alone, alone.
An officer in my departmentwould not pass chief command
hire board for my department itwas my chief's department would
not have hired how accounts orhow conducts himself.

(01:21:01):
In this interview, yeah, yep,yeah, sorry, I'm just read
secretariat.
Have y'all talked about sheriffShane?
I forgot his last name in HardyCounty.
No, we've been today.
We, we weren't really going tofocus much.
I only have two body cam videospulled up for review.
We were focusing mostly on thisdude, old Joffrey here, and we

(01:21:23):
were focusing on one other videothat I want to get to Two Cops,
one Donut from Auditor CopWatch standpoint.
This is why we get upset,because there is a blue line in
cops who rise more often thannot currently just gloss over
these and that's why we are hereAudits because of auditors,
especially like Long IslandAuditor, some of the OGs and I'm

(01:21:44):
sorry, I'm not as familiar withyours I've probably shared your
stuff unknowingly.
I know I've shared Honor, yourOath stuff unknowingly, just
because people will send stuffin and they're like what do you
think of this?
And it's been watered down sobad.
But, um, auditors have caused awonderful trend in policing

(01:22:07):
where we're all got really goodfirst amendment audit training,
because you guys exposed the gapin our training, and that's
what I love.
I love finding out where we'relacking so we can focus on it
and fix it.
Um, and I, I love firstamendment auditors.
I actually got First Amendmentaudited a couple times.
You can find me on the Internet, I promise you, and luckily I

(01:22:29):
passed with flying colors andhad great interactions with my
First Amendment auditor.
I think I actually shared thelast one with you, jared and
Chris, or maybe Chris shared itwith you all.
But, yeah, I got audited and wejust had a great conversation.
It was good stuff.
So, um, let me see here haveyou ever ordered fries from
McDonald's?
I don't know, I'm not a potatoRight.

(01:22:52):
It just, oh my God, it's sostupid.
But, um, show me the audits andhonor your oath.
I hope you guys stick aroundwith our community and pay
attention to the mission that wegot going over here, because we
really try to highlight whatyou guys got going out there.
And if I could give a tip toauditors, please share some of
the cops that do really well.
We want to highlight when copsare doing good so cops know and

(01:23:15):
see a good example of how tohandle these things, because
there really is a lot of goodones out there.
You just never really see itand I know you guys probably
share that stuff.
I just, I want, I want to beable to highlight that too.
We like to highlight when copsare doing good things so we have
good examples and then we canlearn from the bad.
But yeah, with that, I want tojump over to this video.

(01:23:40):
Let me share this screen here,okay.
So let me give you guys a littlebackstory.
This is Dr Sheriff Gregory Toney.
Now, full disclosure.
Gregory has a background.
He's got a shady backgroundwhen it comes to law enforcement
.
I don't know the specifics, butfrom what I've been told, he

(01:24:04):
may have some untruthfulnessthat's been documented or been
caught lying, and things likethat.
I don't care about any of that.
What I care about in thisparticular press conference is
he had some jailers that werebeing charged by prosecution for

(01:24:26):
excessive use of force, andonce you watch the video, I
think you guys will agree withme there was nothing excessive
about it.
But it's the way he holds thispress conference, and the
chronological order ofinformation he gives, I think is
something no other lawenforcement agency I've ever
seen do, and I think it is athing of beauty and art and all

(01:24:48):
chiefs and sheriffs should copythis format.
Okay, so, with that said, Iwant you guys to watch it.
We're not going to watch thewhole thing, we're going to go
through probably the first 10minutes again, but I'm going to
start pointing out things andshowing you guys things on this.
So here we go all right.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
First of all, good morning and thank you all for
joining us here at my requestfor this press conference.
Before I get into the detailsand specific nature of why we're
here, I just want to identifythe foot and everyone in this
community will be held to thesame stand consecutive years.
And before I elaborate and showextended videos to further be
accountable and transparent tothis community, I'm going to

(01:25:31):
remind you of what I've said forsix consecutive years as your
two-time duly elected sheriff ofthis county, and that is when I
know, you will know, and thateveryone in this organization
will be held accountable andeveryone in this community will
be held to the same standard.
I have demonstrated thatconsistently for six years, to

(01:25:52):
the extent of which I'veterminated 141 officers under my
command.
There hasn't been a sheriff inthis state or in this country
that has demonstrated that levelof aggressive nature of holding
law enforcement and publicsafety professionals responsible
.
And of those 141 plus cases, 98times 98, we have submitted

(01:26:13):
over to the state attorneyrecommending prosecution, and
I'm going to run down this oneyear after the next.
This starts in my first year in2019.
14 cases was recommended.
Of those 14, seven weredeclined by the state attorney's
office.
In 2020, 16 cases was submitted, 12 were declined by the state

(01:26:36):
attorney's office.
In 2021, 14 cases weresubmitted and 10 of them were
declined by the state attorney'soffice.
2022, 17, 13 declined.
2023, 22 submitted, 15 declined.
2024, 13 submitted, 8 declinedand, as of yet, in 2025, we

(01:26:58):
submitted two and already 50% ofthem are declined.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Okay, so I'm going to pause there.
Okay, I'm going to stop sharingbecause we're going to talk
about that part for a minute,because I want to give you guys
some insight on what justoccurred here.
Okay, now, this is great.
This is the accountability partthat he starts with.
Okay, we haven't got intodefending the deputies that were
in the jail that are beingcharged with excessive use of

(01:27:23):
force.
The first part of this strategyand this template that I like
is self-accountability and howwe held our guys accountable.
Now, there's also some politicsto this.
Sheriffs are elected, so whenwe see this and he's talking
about all of these officers thatthey tried to charge, it's a
shitload.
I mean more than anybody I'veever heard of, and it's

(01:27:45):
ridiculous.
So to me, the writing on thewall jared and banning, banning,
especially because you were apart of a sheriff's department a
very political statement rightthere.
I think he charged all of thesecops specifically to be able to
say that he charged all thesepeople and that the prosecutor
failed to do.

(01:28:05):
He declined these charges.
That doesn't mean shitpolitically speaking.
What that means is he wastrying to throw across, maybe
more than likely, a bunch ofbullshit charges just to say he
did, so he can run on thecampaign that I am holding my
guys accountable Banning.
What do you got to say on this?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I agree with it.
However, if you look at asheriff's office, sheriff's
department which there is twobig definitions, I'm not going
to go into that right now acrossthe country but a sheriff's
office in Texas and in Florida,you have to look at that.
Chief deputy or undersheriff iswhat they call them sometimes.
That undersheriff or chiefdeputy is truly running that
organization on a day-to-daybasis.

(01:28:48):
The sheriff is the face, he'sthe politician, he's out there
raising awareness on wherethey're going, what they're
doing.
But that chief deputy is trulyrunning what's going on on a
day-to-day basis.
As long as that chief deputyand that sheriff are mirrored in
what's going on, then I don'thave a problem with it.

(01:29:08):
But sometimes you have twodifferent opinions.
Sometimes a sheriff will letthat chief deputy go because
they're not mirroring 100% onopinions on things.
So that's where I have aproblem with some sheriff's
offices and sheriff'sdepartments is the chief deputy
may be running the organizationdifferent than what the sheriff
is stating publicly out there.
And again, that's not all ofthem, this is not a blanket

(01:29:32):
coverage, because there's a lotof them.
They're in simpatico, they'redoing a great job, they're
everything, but there's some ofthem that are not and I know the
sheriff has had some dark stuffin the past, at least from
what's stated on Google andYouTube and whatnot, but I don't
have a problem with the actualcomments that he's making on
this video.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Yeah, and so I like that strategy of all right,
you're trying to hold our guysaccountable.
Let me show you how I've heldthem accountable first.
So I like this template.
Now, again, this is the insidestuff that we see in policing.
I'm trying to kind of expose.
I'm not saying this is whathe's doing.
I'm saying it's a strategy andsomething to pay attention to.

(01:30:13):
He may be doing this to run ona campaign later that I hold my
people accountable and here'show I've done it and here's the
numbers.
And these numbers he's givenare so high, so high.
But this is another part thatI've tried to tell you guys on
the show.
Just at my department alone,every year that I've been there,
there have been severalofficers each year that have
been fired and or charged.

(01:30:36):
So you never hear those numbers.
Why?
Because the media doesn't pushthem out.
So when you go and hold a pressconference, I think every time
a chief goes to hold a pressconference, he first goes down
with how they've been holdingtheir own people accountable.
If it's some sort of criticalincidents, all right, hey guys,
we're going to get to that.
First, I want you guys to hearhow we've been holding our
department accountable the lastfive years and then you go down

(01:30:58):
your numbers.
Now they're going to be morerealistic numbers.
Hey, we've had five peoplefired, we've recommended two for
charges.
We've had, you know, threepeople fired this year, we've
recommended one for charges.
We like show the people andgive them a number, because I
guarantee the media is notcovering that this sheriff just
held his own press conference,so he's controlling the
narrative.
So that's where I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Jared, you got anything to add?
Yeah, I was looking at thecomments and I'm going to
butcher the first name, so it'sjust Lofton's the last name, but
it says you might want tochange your hiring process there
, bro, damn yeah.
If you're firing that manypeople, yeah, you might want to
look at what you're hiring too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Yeah, katie, dr Alexander said want me to go get
a comment from him.
I'm in Broward County right now.
Yeah, bring them on.
I'm well, I ain't scared Um.
Police unions control the localmedia.
You know, maybe in New York,but not not many places.
That's a it.
There's not.
I'm not saying that'scompletely untrue, steve.

(01:31:59):
There's a level of truth tothat in certain places, but most
places no, because they don'thold any real power, like in
Texas, the unions hold no power.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
And they're more of associations in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Yeah they're not unions, they're associations.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Texas has a lot of legislation in place to where
law enforcement can't go outthere and not go on their shift
and picket because of adiscrepancy on what they're
getting paid, hourly or whatevertheir salary is.
I remember them covering thisfor two days in the academy that
when you demand a pay raise youallow your association to go do

(01:32:36):
that on the side through citycouncil, through county
commissioners et cetera.
But when you're doing this inthe Northeast it's a little bit
different.
You know the FOP has a littlebit different set of what's
going on.
There's different rules fordifferent parts of the country.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah, so, and that's crazy, Banning that you were
able to recall something fromyour academy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I recalled one or two days of instruction, but other
than that it's a blur.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah, okay, so we started off with accountability.
I recalled one or two days ofinstruction, but other than that
it's a blur.
Yeah, I don't recall.
Okay, so we started off withaccountability.
We talked about how we got ourown accountability went down our
numbers, so I like this part ofthe speech.
Let's keep going A little paton his own back.

(01:33:30):
Yeah're not showing the video,brother.
Oh, can you hear it?
No, I'm sitting there justwatching the screen just going
off.
Let me go back a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
This agency has been the toughest against corruption
in the history of this entirecounty.
I rewound it and we do it righthere.
Our internal affairs areremarkable, our leadership core,
our commanders.
We don't pinch pennies and wedon't dodge our responsibility
and we don't care what last nameis associated to the people

(01:34:03):
that are responsible forwrongdoings in this community.
Numerous times we've submittedcases where individuals who
happen to have the popular namesof Thurston were ignored.
An individual deputy we hadhere who was a terror in Pompano
Beach abusing young black mentime over and time over again,
and so we had him dead to rightwhere he was terminated from

(01:34:25):
this organization and we'verecommended that he would be
prosecuted and those chargeswere dismissed, only for him to
take a job in our school systemand then batter and abuse
another child.
So I will not accept the natureof these charges against these
women, not accept the nature ofthese charges against these

(01:34:46):
women.
The video is crystal clear thatthey had demonstrated only the
level of force necessary to getthis individual back in
compliance.
Our standard is reasonable,necessary, in proportion to the
threat of which we face.
That is not just BSO standard,that is every walk and talk and
law enforcement official in theUnited States, from the federal
down to the counties.
It's the same standard.
And how do we get to a positionwhere, of all these cases that

(01:35:10):
we've submitted and recommendedthat deputies, officers,
firefighters or anyone else inthis agency be arrested and
prosecuted, and this becomes theselected three?

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
So more to the the strategy.
Not only did he talk about allthe cases that they've tried to
get prosecuted and that weredeclined, then he went into a
specific case and talked about aspecific person, and what
happened with the outcome ofthat was so I'm trying to create
the formula, the blueprint thatI like.
So he's like we had a guy thatdid this and then he ended up

(01:35:42):
going to a school and you guysstill didn't do shit about it.
So boom, we've named a specificthing and then now he's going
into, but these three people arethe ones you want to go after.
After we've handed you thesecases on a silver platter, now,
all of a sudden, one that'slegit you want to go after.
Why is that?

(01:36:04):
So that's the way I'm seeingthis so far.

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
This is most certainly a miscarriage of
justice and exhibits signs andsymptoms of public corruption.
In itself Favors for friends.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Bold, bold statement.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
It is directly challenging the courts that's a
big bigger statement that I thatI think most people may not
recall of what it means you knowfor for his supporters and
stuff like that.
That.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
That is a lot of boldness for any elected
official to be able to statethat yeah, yeah, you just
challenged your districtattorney, or whatever it is that
you have out there your ADA, sothat was a huge statement.
So we've talked about whatwe've done, what we've tried to
do, where it's failed, what theresults are, and now we're
saying that it's corruption andyou're the reason for it.

(01:36:56):
So, holy shit, all right, let'skeep going.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
And so I start to ask the question what is the nexus
amongst the individuals that isselectively charged and those
who are not?
Is it their last name?
Is it their power play orinfluence in this community?
I am topped out and sick andtired of seeing public
corruption and favor for friendsin government, from the federal

(01:37:21):
level all the way down to herein Broward County, and it's
going to come to an end.
We're going to continue toinvestigate and examine the
nature of this case, despitewhere we are headed in terms of
our internal outcome, because wewill not live in a community
where there's some justice forindividuals and then there's not
justice for some.
It's appalling.
Where there's some justice forindividuals and then there's not

(01:37:42):
justice for some, it'sappalling.
I hate to come off in such ahigh-level temperament at the
beginning of this pressconference, but folks these
women were handcuffed, arrestedand their reputations have been
destroyed.
On average they're hittingalmost 20 years apiece.

(01:38:02):
Sergeant Polk have done 22years in his organization, 22.
Outstanding, never an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
So I like this part too.
Not only does he get into whathappens when you charge people
by saying, you're destroying thereputation because, let's face
it, everybody we know that'sbeen charged in the department
the first thing you'redestroying the reputation
because, let's face it,everybody we know that's been
charged in the department thefirst thing you're thinking like
damn, where'd they fuck up?
What do they do?
Like you can't help it, it'sinstinct.
So they're not wrong.
You are already, you know,tarnishing their career.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
So this is the next part of the blueprint that I
like and just from a, just froma speaking point, to like the
sheriff's, like cadence and hisicon, like he's a phenomenal
speaker.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean , he's put together.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
I saw him reference his maybe his speech once or
twice and the rest of it's alloff memory and it's awesome,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
He actually recalls some things.
It's kind of nice.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
He does recall some stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
So yeah, let's, let's keep going on any of these
deputies in terms of theirconduct in the performance of
maintaining some of the worstpeople in society.
Every year, this jail processesover 44000 inmates, and these
women who are now beingpersecuted are the ones that
have been stood and standing atthe front line, protecting and

(01:39:22):
serving this community, anddoing it at the highest level of
professionalism.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
I mean he's nailing it, he's throwing out numbers
44,000 people they in processevery year and that they're in
the front line of that, tryingto give a perspective of the job
for those that don't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Yep, and Deadleg made a good point.
He has command presence andthat's a big thing on these
elected officials when they'renot brought in there on a
popularity thing and theyactually have command presence
regardless of his history.
I'm just talking about theperson in general that's in
front of us right now makingthis speech.
Command presence is veryimportant If you want to get the
attention of your audience, ofyour voters, whatever you want

(01:40:02):
to call them your constituents,you know you've got to have that
command presence.
You have to show them you'retruly running that organization,
you're doing the best that youcan and it's and you're.
You're laying the hammer downon on things that are going
wrong, regardless of what thepast was.
Yep.

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Speaker 6 (01:41:14):
Not once have we had an issue of excessive force with
either or any of the three ofthese employees, and so that
leads me to, yes, standing hereunified with their defense
attorneys, because this isrighteous.
There's been times where myselfand these men and these
attorneys we've been at war, ina difference of opinion about

(01:41:34):
actions I've taken in thiscommunity or for this community
within this agency.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
And what he's referring to here, because these
attorneys behind him aredefense for the officers
involved in this, and he hasbeen.
This sheriff has been at theother end battling against these
attorneys because he's tryingto fire their guys or charge
them.
So again, it's the self-account, accountability and putting

(01:42:01):
that out there, the transparency.
Again, I don't care who thissheriff is, I don't care about
his history.
That's not what I'm focused on.
I'm focused on how he'sdefending his people and I'm
giving you guys a blueprint ofhow he's doing it and I think it
is amazing.
So check that out.
Oh, cody, high Roller's on.
I want you guys to know, cody,it's been's been a night bro.

(01:42:27):
We've had a lot of the auditorson here.
Um, we, we've had.
Uh, who do we have earlier?
Um, I'm trying to remember allthe names of the auditors.
Give me one second.
I'm scrolling through.
Uh, who do we have?
Banny the tequila's getting tome.
No, I'm trying to see right nowthat the chat is on your oath on

(01:42:48):
your oath was one of them, um,but I'm trying to remember the
other dude.
I don't want I'm forgetting hisname.
Um, honor your oath.
Uh, cody, high roller, is anauditor as well.
Um, cody, please don't say mydepartment out here, but cody
did a audit on me and uh, Idon't think he intended to.
We just happened to have aconversation and uh, it was a

(01:43:09):
good combo the other was a showme audits show me audits.
There it is, yeah, so we hadboth of those guys on tonight.
Long island auditor was on um acouple podcasts ago, live
streams ago.
So, um guys, make sure you guyscheck out Cody Highroller.
He is another auditor that goesout there and you know he's
trying to uphold the mission ofaccountability and we're all

(01:43:31):
about that, so love it.
Levine can't even recall whowas in the chat.
I know my brain's.
I've been drinking all rightand tonight I am not drinking
Smoke Wagon, I am drinkingAddictivo tequila.
Look at this fancy bottle.
I know it's aged in French oakbarrels and I know it looks

(01:43:52):
really expensive $45.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I can't remember which content in the past couple
of days you put out, butwatching Smoke Wagon like it,
man, I was like I know I'm like,look at this, yep, yep, smoke
Wagon like it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
It made me happy man Still the best whiskey in the
world Bourbon.
So I'm not dropping them, guys.
I just was in a tequila moodtonight.
I like to sip a little tequilafrom here.
Mr Billfold, I watched Cody'svideo with you, Eric.
Hey, there we go with you, Eric, hey there we go yeah, we just
had a combo that was all.
There was nothing.
There was no real audit to it.
It was just a good time.

(01:44:26):
But yeah, make sure you guyscheck him out.
He said I've been in Dallas.
He goes, I won't.
Man, you was a good guy.
Not all the cops are bad.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
I love it.
Thanks, brother, appreciate you.
So let's get back to this video.
But today we stand togetherbecause this is right and we
cannot allow a Pandora's box oflaw enforcement officials in
this county being arrested andprosecuted when there's no.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
This guy needs the blink.
It's driving me nuts.
He needs the blink, he is he ishot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
What is his rankings?
Is that a major?
It looks like a major, I looklike a major.
My boy is just focused.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
What is his rankings?
Is that a major?
He looks like a major.
Yeah, he looks like a major.
My boy is just focused overhere.
He's creeping me out.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
No probable cause, but only indicators that there's
a potential that this is beingdone for somebody else as a
favor.
And I'm going to highlight somany different elements of
concern with this investigationthus far.
To begin with, the nature ofthe arrest my deputy Deputy
Guzman conducted a DUIinvestigation.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Okay, I'm going to fast forward.
Okay, so you guys can actuallysee the video in question.
All right, andy Fletcher.
He said I can't even smelltequila.
Listen, there's differentlevels.
This is a Nejo.
It's't even smell tequila.
Listen, there's differentlevels.
This is a Nejo.
It's a sipping tequila.
It doesn't taste, smellanything like that type of
tequila which we've all hadthose nights, I promise.

(01:45:50):
So just learn the differences,you'll have a good time.
But, mr Billfold, I watchedthis whole thing and never
noticed major Beetlejuice untilEric pointed it out.
Yeah, he got crazy eyes, butthis is the use of force in
question.
So I wanted to get to this partof the video because I think

(01:46:13):
the sheriff brings up greatpoints.

Speaker 6 (01:46:17):
We've seen that thus far, and then we'll move forward
to where the physicalaltercation begins.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
So this is the video that I know you've already seen,
so we're going to speed some ofthis up, because there's a lot
to cover here today.

Speaker 6 (01:46:30):
Now, throughout that engagement, the suspect decides
she's going to be a smarty pantsand throw the bra and try to
hit the deputy in her face.
The deputy captures it, pushesher back to disengage and then
you have this suspect decidingthat she's going to launch
forward to try to assault thisdeputy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
I want you to notice that it isn't one person that
sees the signs.
They didn't.
It wasn't this one person thathad the bra about to be thrown
at her that noticed somethingwas wrong.
This, this I don't know if youguys can see my mouse, but this
second officer that comes in,she had the pepper spray ready
and they use foam in the jail soit doesn't fog everybody out.

(01:47:10):
So she is coming in hot readybecause she sees the, as I like
to call it, the eye of the tigertaking off with this little,
you know 120-pound wreckingmachine.
And I know what some of you maybe thinking.
Well, these guys outsize her bya lot.
I've told you guys before, theworst fights are the little wiry
people.
You can't get their arms behindtheir back because their arms

(01:47:33):
will fold up behind their headin Gumby-like ways.
You just can't get control ofthem.
Come at you like a spidermonkey.
Yeah, exactly.
So watch the reaction.
You don't have to wait to gethit to be reactive.
If you can see the signs andsymptoms coming, try to prevent
it.
Them handling the use of forceearly actually prevents a higher

(01:47:56):
use of force later, and I'vetalked about that before a ton
on here.
So I think that's what theseofficers are doing they're
handling business right away, upfront, so they don't have to
use a higher use of force later.
So let's go back.

Speaker 6 (01:48:11):
The suspect decides she's going to be a smarty pants
and throw the bra and try tohit the deputy in her face.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
So she blocks.
Now look second officer'salready starting to draw.
She sees that this person isnot going to cooperate and is
already.
We can't hear what's being said, but it's body language.
I don't care what's being said.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
The deputy captures it, pushes her back to disengage
.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
So pushing back to disengage.
I know that soundscounterproductive or it doesn't
sound like the right thing, butshe's literally trying to create
distance between them.
Now, this is the part thatsucks we can't see what's being
said or what's happening.
But you've got your secondofficer coming in and if I were
to guess her job is to observeand to maybe go communicate with

(01:48:56):
other people if necessary orwhatever, but two officers
should be able to handle it andshe stays back Bannon.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
what do you think, well, this entry point, just so,
the amount of jails that I'vebeen into in these entry points
going around training around thecountry, that yellow line that
you're seeing on the camerausually signifies the halfway
point.
So you usually have two and ahalf to four feet on one side,
two and a half to other and theyusually tell that inmate do not
cross this yellow line.

(01:49:22):
You know, one will becorrections officers on one side
and the inmate will be on theother and they're going through
a screening process and that'sthat's what that yellow line is
in a lot of these intakefacilities across the country.
So if you want to envisiontruly what size of this little
tiny rectangular room is, it'snot that big.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Yeah, and one of the accusations on this is that they
intentionally pushed her behindthe yellow line because they
know that's where the cameracan't see.
No, the yellow line is acontrol mechanism that they use
in the jails to say do not gopast this line.
They tell the person we willstay us as the jailers, we will
stay on our side, you will stayon yours, and it's a control

(01:50:04):
thing.
So there's no contact.
We don't want any contact.
I will set your trays down, Iwill set your whatever down.
You put your stuff over theline, but this line is the clear
mark.
And then, if anything happens,we can say like look, they came
over the line.
They were told not to go overthe line, they knew where the

(01:50:27):
line was at and they didn'tlisten.

Speaker 6 (01:50:28):
It's not this is where the camera can't see
anymore.
That's not what this is, solet's keep going, engage, and
then you have this suspectdeciding that she's going to
launch for so this is adefensive posture.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
It is absolutely.
It was not coming at her.
The the jailer was not comingat her.
She's defending herself and youcan see it in her eyes.
Uh, I'm gonna go back justslightly.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
Watch her eyes is this and try to hit the deputy
in her face.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
The deputy captures it pushes her back to disengage.
And then you have this suspectnow watch her eyes.
She's gonna launch to try toshe was ready pepper spray is
out, she's going, so I can tellyou right now what you're

(01:51:13):
trained to do is body weight.

Speaker 6 (01:51:15):
Get her.
Get her to the ground and startdoing joint manipulation, if
you can.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
And the efforts are made to control her, not to
brutally beat her, not to createsome form of great bodily harm
or injury upon.
So you're the second personthroughout the pepper spray foam
and now it's affectingeverybody.
I don't think that wasintentional.
I I think it was intentionalthat she tried to use pepper
spray, but I don't think it wasintentional for it to ricochet
off the wall.
So that happened in the courseof her fighting, not her
complying, or they're taking herto the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
And if they would have used impact on this, only
the person being sprayed wouldhave been affected.
Got to throw that in there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Yeah, uh.
Kingslayer said it doesn't looklike she went to throw it in
the deputy's face.
It looks like she was holdingthe bra up and it got snatched
out of her hand, followed by theshove.
I disagree.
I think it was coming towardsher, because this is nobody
hands things like that and Idon't know if you guys can see
me on the camera like I don'thand people like that.
She's trying to put it in herface.

(01:52:10):
She maybe not tried to hit herwith it, but she was slinging it
in her face so she got it,grabbed it, got it out of the
way and then pushed her back.
I think that's fair and thenshe obviously went in from that
upon her, which are some of thestatutory stipulations for
aggravated battery.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
That's not what's occurring here.
She was sprayed with oc, theytried to tase her and she's
still fighting so there's beenno strikes thrown yet.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
I am, you guys, I'm a useful force expert and I know
I can't see everything, but youusually can see the body
language of the people throwingthe punches.
You'll see the lineup, thewindup for things.
I'm not seeing any windups.
I see control.
I see body pressure.
That's what I see happening.

(01:52:59):
Jared, do you got anything onthat?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Not exactly.
You haven't seen any pre-fightindicators.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
And most of these jails I mean I'm not sure when
they did a rebuffer or when theyreplaced their cameras on some
type of Homeland Security grantbut most of these entry areas
when you come into county jailsacross the country have that 360
camera.
Don't know why this is not thecase in this one.
I'm not.
I'm not hammering them for this, but usually you'll have a 360

(01:53:28):
camera in these entryways towhere, during this video, it's
all digital, kind of like a reallifetime crime center or a lot
to where you can actually panaround and see the entire
circumference of the room.
Not sure why.
This is comfort you and I thinkthat would have answered a lot
more questions if they truly hadthat in this room.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Yeah, I want to shout out to Centurion tactical for
becoming a member.
Thank you, brother, Appreciateyou.
But yeah, so so far I see bodyweight.
They're trying to use some ofthe spray foam.
I'm not a fan of pepper spray,usually ever in an enclosed
space, even if it is foam.
Uh.
But you know, teach their ownis what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
I've never dealt with the foam.
I've only dealt with the streamor the fog.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
The foam takes longer to get off your skin.
Yeah, in my opinion Makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
Then it's asserted that somehow they mysteriously,
are egregiously attempted to.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
So I liked that they highlighted that hand, because
what that shows is the glove isshe was being degloved, which is
that.
That's that's the persongrabbing you and trying to pull
shit off of you.
That's not her trying to takeher own glove off.
So that shows that this personwas actively fighting against
them.

Speaker 6 (01:54:39):
Hide and pull her behind the line.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Now she's's it's absurd we've tried.
We've tried using jointmanipulation.
It's not working.
This is the lowest level use offorce we have guys.
This is the lowest level whenjoint manipulation fails.
Personal weapon strikes hands,feet, fists.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
That and joint joint manipulation of people, that
Google and stuff that we say.
I mean you can look up stufflike PPCT, pressure point
control tactics these are thevery, very low level stuff
escorting somebody into and outof a courtroom facility or into
a jail or out of an area andyou're using that very, very low
level stuff.
Ppct was huge late 80s, all theway through the 90s to the

(01:55:23):
early 2000s.
That was the holy grail, if youwill, for defensive tactics,
what we call it now.
And of course we have upgradedand we're actually meeting force
with force to stop situations.
But, eric, do you agree withthat?

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
I mean it's yeah, absolutely, and I taught PPCT as
well.
But Mr Bill Fold said we've allseen officers and jailers use
excessive force.
I feel qualified to say thatthese deputies were not in there
trying to go hands on.
Can we not at least agree onthat?
And then also, shotguns andtattoos is out for the night.

(01:56:01):
So good night, appreciate youbeing on.
But, yeah, agree, mr billfold,that you could tell and the body
language of the jailers.
They were going in.
They just wanted to get thehell out of there and then this
girl started acting a fool didour deputy strike her?

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
you better believe they did.
I love it.
You better believe that if youbite me in the hand and decided
you're going to sink your teethinto me as a law enforcement
officer in this community,there's going to be two outcomes
, folks, two outcomes I'm goingto strike you in your face until
you let go, or I'm going tostrike you until you don't have
any teeth in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
I'm okay with that.
You bite me and you don't letgo.
You're getting it all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
And I've not been in a facility yet where they did
not have audio.
Why is there not audio in thevideo?
It's?
I have no clue.
Yeah, but there's usually alittle, a little ping up there
that you're going to see in allsubs and and circle case to
where it's.
It's a high audio device that'spicking up audio in the entire
room.
Once you enter a correctionsfacility it's audio and video

(01:57:05):
recorded for the most part, andI think audio would shed a
little bit of light on this aswell.
Would you agree?
Yeah, I just do.
I mean, I wish audio wasreleased with this.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Yeah, I typically, when I review use of force, I
will listen to it muted firstbecause I care more about action
than I do words, but then Iwill listen to the audio because
it does help, it does enhanceand help you figure out more
things when.
I'm looking to see ifsomething's excessive.
It doesn't matter what's beingsaid, I need to see what's
happening.
So we can't see what'shappening.

(01:57:38):
So this is where the audiowould actually help a lot.
But, yeah, you bite me and holdon and and this is a little
precursor to what actuallyhappened for those that don't
know and he's going to get to it, but she bites and breaks his
jailer's thumb.
So, yeah, you're getting thebusiness it's the real world.

Speaker 6 (01:58:01):
Let's not play any games with this.
You don't get a free pass atlaw enforcement officers.
If that's what this communityexpect, they can vote me out of
office in 2028.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
And that's a bold.
That's a big, not a bold,that's a big statement.
You don't get a free pass atlaw enforcement and that is.
That seems to be a standardthat's gone across in a few
places and I don't like thatnarrative.
Oh, that's what you signed upfor, that's this, that's that
that.
No, yes, I fully know people aregoing to attack me.
I'm going to get in fights andit's going to be up to me to use

(01:58:33):
my discretion if I'm going tocharge that person for
assaulting a peace officer.
Now, am I likely going to dothat if this person comes at me
in a jail like this?
No, but if you bite me and aremalicious in what you're doing,
yeah, now I'm going to add thecharges to assault to a peace
officer, like, that's the wayit's.
Jared, how many times have youbeen in a scrum and you get them

(01:58:57):
in cuffs?
You dust them off.
You're good, bro.
Do you need any medical?
No, you're good, okay.
Like cuffs, you dust them off,you good bro.
Do you need any medical?
No, you good, okay, like.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
That's just part of being bad guys and robbers like
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
Yeah, that's how.
That's how it is.
That's part of the fun.
I mean, let's be honest, that'spart of the fun of being a cop.
Bad guy do bad guy things, goodguy do good guy things.
And then at the end of it, yeah, bro man, you had me gassed.
I ran my ass out like I thoughtI was going to lose you.
Oh, no, man, I thought I waslosing you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
I've had those conversations several times and
I call it bedside and that'swhen you're sitting with
somebody, at whatever hospitalthat you're sitting at with them
, and it's because we had anencounter and, unfortunately, a
use of force was used.
But now what we're doing iswe're getting you medically

(01:59:47):
cleared to go back to the jailand if you don't get medically
cleared, we listen to thedoctor's recommendation, we
advise the judge and we go, wego forth, we either release, we
take them back to the jail,whatever.
But I I've been there severaltimes.
Matter of fact, there's a bighospital, a large metropolitan
city in North Texas that when Iwalked in, they knew that this
person probably did somethingthat they weren't supposed to do
and they needed to get themedical cleared and get them the
heck out of there.

(02:00:07):
Um, you know, sometimes we hadto wait for them to wake up or
whatever, um, from from whatthey did, but they, they usually
hurt somebody and that's thereason that, where they're
sitting on them, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Cody High Roller said yeah, I agree.
Once you start assaulting cops,you're putting yourself in a
really bad spot, especially incourt.
Agree, let me see.
Marine Blood said I'm likingthis guy more Now.
Guys, you're all aboutaccountability and stuff.
I think when you start lookinginto this guy's background,
you're going to be like, oh, Idon't support this dude, because

(02:00:37):
you're going to be like how didhe?
How is he still a cop?
So, uh, like I said, I likewhat he's saying, like the order
of operations, I like thecurrent point, we're saying we,
we, we support.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
However, do we support everything in his past?
No, you know not, not at all.
Is is that a hundred percentaccurate?
We don't know, but from whatwe're gathering, it's not the
greatest.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
Yeah and and if there's any credibility to some
of the stuff I've heard.
I just haven't done my researchon him.
I know a little bit my littlegoogle searches on him, so I I
can tell you that definitelyneed to do your research on him
before you start saying you likehim.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
I don't know anything about him, so at this point I
want to shake his hand.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Yeah and that's what I said like, if I'm these three
jailers, I love him.
I give a shit less about hispast because he's defending them
in a way that I've never seen.
And I think this is theblueprint.
I think this is how they shouldbe doing this stuff.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (02:01:37):
Now we'll move on into the part where the active
resistance is over and theseofficers you can see for
yourself.
Because of the nature of theseallegations and what's been, all
on.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
All right, kingslayer , you, you, you just threw
yourself in a in a corner onthis one.
How much you want to bet?
The deputy accidentally stuckher finger in the woman's mouth
and when they went to the groundthe woman mouth closed.
If it's not on video, I don'ttrust this chief.
It's not that you trust in thechief.
This is the report of thejailers.

(02:02:12):
The chief wasn't there.
Sheriff wasn't there.
He doesn't know.
So in that I've in fights myhands have slipped into
somebody's mouth.
Nobody accidentally bitessomebody.
It doesn't happen.
And if they did, it's so quickthat they stop and you

(02:02:34):
especially don't break thatperson's finger.
They broke the thumb that'sthicker than the regular finger.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
Yeah, regardless, even if it was an accident, that
person took the opportunity tobite down on her thumb.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
Yeah, and could have complied.
This is the part that we'retalking about.
You don't get a free pass justbecause it's law enforcement.
This is part of the problem,kingslayer, and with what you're
saying is you're taking theaccountability completely out of
the person.
That, kingslayer, and with whatyou're saying is you're taking
the accountability completelyout of the person that started
all this.
The jailers didn't want to fight.
When they get in there, theyjust want to do their thing get

(02:03:09):
the clothes, check for weapons,get the fuck out of there
Because they don't want to work.
Nobody wants to do anythinglike that.
I hope so.
To sit there and say that orsay, because it wasn't on video,
that now everybody else has tobe lying, that's a cop out,
that's a lazy cop out.
That is not reasonable, that isnot logical and I reject that

(02:03:34):
argument.
I reject that because nowyou're saying three people were
complicit in that.
Because now you're saying threepeople were complicit in that
and you could see that thisperson was not listening, not
complying, because if they were,this would have never started.

Speaker 6 (02:03:53):
Would have never started, perpetrated within a
state attorney's office.
Now I have to releasesecurity-based videos that we
traditionally do not, but I'mnot going to let these women get
hung like.
This is some Salem witch trial.
It's not happening on my watch.
If they want to come for thosedeputies, they better come.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Sparky said please stop referring to them as cops.
Ilios, they are correctionsdeputies.
I don't.
Deputies are still sworn, right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:22):
If they actually have the title deputy, yes, yeah,
that's usually correct acrossthe United States.
But if they have a CEOcorrections officers, they're
under a different set.

Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
Yeah, but these are deputies.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Well, we would have to.
You know I'm going to disagreejust a little bit because we
have to look into this a littlebit more.
So there's, you know, inBroward County they have a
mixture of COs and deputies.
So there may be one deputy thatmay be the lieutenant sergeant
over the command that's therethat evening, but the rest of
maybe COs and I don't know onthis specific, and he may be

(02:04:54):
getting a little confused aswell doing this press conference
, but these may be all COs.
There may be a deputy withinthe form of folks that are in
there right now, but I don'tthink.
I think these are intake COsfrom what I'm seeing.
But they may be deputies and Icould be a hundred percent wrong
, but from what I'm seeing Ibelieve they're COs.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
Okay, well, he keeps calling them deputies.
I can only go off of what'sbeing said.
I don't know you could be right, sparky, so I'm just going off
of what's being said.
I see a star on her shirt rightnow, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
I don't know why we would give a civilian something
like that.
There's a lot of places inNorth Texas that have changed
from a star to a circle to whenthey're out in public, it truly
lets people know what they are,because there was a lot of
similarities in the early 2000sto where everybody that worked
under a certain organization hadthe same exact star and you had
to get in and kind of look atthat sewn on badge Are you
corrections or are you a deputy,so that the, the, the

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administrator that is now inthere in 2016, you know, change
that to a circle, to where thepublic would know that's a CEO
and this is a deputy, becausethey have a star and when
they're in the jail it's anempty holster, obviously because
they're doing jail duties.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Right, okay, I learned something today.
I don't know.
It's not my world, so, sparky,you very well could be right.
Sir, don't get mad at me, comefor me first.

Speaker 6 (02:06:20):
We can speed up and show the after effect where
they're in the hallway.
I want this community to seethese women who wide away.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
One of them is standing there with a broken
thumb and still concerned aboutthe inmates care so in this this
goes, you know, to my pointagainst kingslayer and what he
was saying somebody that wantsto fight and wants to be
malicious and do all that stuff.
They're not going to all thatstuff, they're not going to go
through this, they're not goingto get up, dust you off, take
care of you, and and that'sexactly what happens from here

(02:06:48):
on out.
Um, I'm going to play just alittle bit more and then we'll,
we'll, we'll discuss where's thebrutality there?

Speaker 6 (02:06:59):
where's your aggravated battery?
Where's your rogue,unprofessional deputies?
Where's the lack of disciplineyou show me?
You tell me she couldn't evenhold her own head up for a photo
.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Look, she's trying to hide from the picture, trying
to keep her still they take thepicture.

Speaker 6 (02:07:36):
we'll move on to the next progression, back up just a
little bit.
I don't want to be accused thatwe're speeding through stuff
Right there.
They're still checking on hercare.
They're still trying to get hersituated.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
They've uncuffed her?
I think no.

Speaker 6 (02:08:00):
they cuffed her to the front now instead of behind
does that look like a bunch ofoverly emotional rogue deputies
that doesn't have discipline tobe in a professional capacity to
care for someone who justassaulted them and broke the
bones in their fingers?
Despite already having been ina fight with them, they continue

(02:08:22):
to check on her, and then theyprovide her water and allow this
woman to calm down and come offof her high A big-ass bug just
crawled across my floor.

Speaker 1 (02:08:39):
It freaked me out.
All right, so we will end thisvideo here.
Stop sharing um and and.
So again the blueprint.
That is what I want to focus onbecause by the end I think the
majority of us minus kingslayer,I think the majority of us

(02:08:59):
watched that and we were moreprone to understand the defense
of their actions, because webought into the credibility that
this guy does hold his peopleaccountable, because he talked
about how many people he's triedto get prosecuted and all of
that and that he's fired.
His numbers were a little high.
I don't agree with that.
I think that was kind of apolitical statement he was

(02:09:21):
making.
But he went into that, thentalked about a specific example
and then from the specificexample, he went in and threw
out the gauntlet and said thatit's the prosecutors or not,
there's some corruption going on.
And then he goes into showingthe video and talking about the
use of force Beautiful.

(02:09:42):
How many other chiefs andsheriffs have you ever seen do
it that way?
I have never seen it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:48):
Yeah, no, I mean, he's said he's phenomenal
speaker.
I think the fact that he didrelay, that he is harsh on his
people and he will fire you ifyou're a bad cop, but then he's
defending the good ones, likewhat more can you ask for?
It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
Yeah, defending the good ones.
Like, what more can you ask for?
It's fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, so again, guys, I,I love, I love doing
accountability stuff.
I love holding, if we see, likewe talked about with this idiot
, joffrey um before greataccountability on that dude, but
there's a time and a place forthat.
You've got these 20 22 yearjailers that have been doing
this forever and just are goingthrough the motions and all of a

(02:10:23):
sudden they've got to deal withthis hyped-up dope head.
That is high and that's whathigh people do occasionally, and
they dealt with itprofessionally.

Speaker 3 (02:10:37):
I've said it before, I'll say it again you think
being a cop is hard.
Being a DO or CO is probablyone of the hardest jobs out
there.
Props to those people, man.
I could never do it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
You're only dealing with bad guys mostly.

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
Yep, these people are behind closed doors all day
long.
They're coming to work every daythey come in and they've been
riled up on the street or in thesituation they were in.
They come in and they're thisnew face and they're mad at the
uniform, the badge, everythingthat they think got them in that
situation.

(02:11:10):
It's usually never on theiractions.
There's some that totally ownup to what they do and they're
like they're not going to giveanybody a problem.
They're like, hey, I'm going togo see the man, meaning the
judge, I'm going to see the juryand they're going to go through
their process and thank God forthe folks that that understand
that and they're and they'regoing to leave it up to the
courts.
But there's some that come inthere that are so upset and so
riled less than 1% of those arein there for reasons for that

(02:11:33):
they don't need to be there andI feel for those and I want to
help those.
We want to highlight that.
However, the ones that come inthere and actually start a
problem, these people are inthere doing their job and they
have a family at home andthey're doing everything they
can to make sure they go homeand safe at night and from what
I'm seeing in this video, theywere very light.
They were very, very light andthey're doing their frigging job

(02:11:53):
.
They're trying to exert theprofessionalism.
You mean light in their use offorce In their use of force?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean they're very light.
I mean they could have easily,depending on their policies and
procedures, stopped thatimmediately.
I don't know how many times I'vebeen a deputy on the road.
Again, let me understand.
You know my career.
The majority of my time I wasin a medium to large-sized city

(02:12:17):
as a municipal police officerand then I came out here to BFE
in the middle of nowhere and Ihad to deal with the jail.
Now I had to deal with the jailSome is a municipal police
officer before we went into ajoint pack with four other
cities and we'd have to go inand help the jailers.
But out here it's.
You know these.
These jailers would get on thephone, call dispatch and say

(02:12:38):
send me the deputy, because it'snot more than one, I need help.
And we come in there, we takeout all our weapons, we're going
in there to the unknown, so tospeak, and we have to rectify
and stop the problem at hand tomake sure this person doesn't
hurt their self or anybody else.
And these things can go amillion miles a minute or can be

(02:12:58):
long and drawn out, and you'redoing everything you can to make
sure this person doesn't gethurt or somebody else doesn't,
and that's a very fine line tofollow, and people don't
understand what these CEOs gothrough.
Do I agree with the trainingand what goes on where I was at?
No, I think they needed it more, but for the training that they
received, they were stillreasonable and prudent people

(02:13:19):
and they didn't want to hurtanybody and they did the best
that they could with the toolsthat they had on their tool boat
.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
Yep Agreed.
How do you know she's high?
The sheriff said she hadamphetamines in her system.
That doesn't mean aboveprescription level.
Amphetamines are used for ADHDPossible.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
Yeah, no, if we can bring in all these freaking
pharmacists and doctors outthere misprescribing and like,
oh, you have this and you needthis and take this and this and
this and this, and you just havea little warning on the bottle
Don't drive, don't operatemachinery, don't do this.
Basically, don't live.
Because if you're taking thismedication to take whatever your
ailment is, that's BS.
And you go out there and makesome frigging mistakes that are

(02:14:02):
going to completely alter yourlife.
That pisses me off more than noend.

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
And part of my problem with your argument,
kingslayer, is you're comingfrom the stance of court.
We do not have the luxury ofcourt when we're in the job.
We can only go off theinformation that we receive at
the time.
She was arrested for a DUI.
They had her blood tested.
She was positive for whateveramphetamines or whatever,

(02:14:26):
doesn't matter.
We can only go off what we knowat the time and that is how you
judge an officer is based onreasonableness and what they
know at the time.
And despite that, it was heractions that caused it.
It doesn't matter if she washigh or not.
She attacked them.
You could clearly see it.
She went at them, not them.

(02:14:47):
Come at her.
They pushed her back, told herto stay against the wall and she
came right back at him.
Sorry, play stupid games, winstupid prizes.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
You know.
So people understand when you,when you're out on the streets
and you get into a we'll call ita call for service number or an
incident, that incident is done, you're being arrested for
whatever, be it a warrant, acurrent charge, something a
peace officer saw you do, andthey're they're, they're
attesting to it, they make areport.
They're now they're bringingyou to a correctional facility.

(02:15:21):
You're in there.
That arresting officer hasreleased you to the custody of
the COs in whatever county ormunicipality jail, and now you
enter that facility and then youcreate another disturbance of
what's going on and you may beupset of everything that's going
on.
Now you're creating an entirenew case.

(02:15:42):
If you're that arrested person,this is an entire new or an
additional or add on to theexisting, and that's what people
are failing to realize.
You, you may be very upset atthe reason, but, but your fight
is in the courthouse.
Your fight is when you get toget to that court and you're,
you have your attorney and youget to lay your facts out on the

(02:16:03):
table.
Your fight is not with thoseCEOs.
Now, granted, if the CEOs are,are are breaking your fourth
amendment, or any of youramendments for that matter, then
yes, you have it, but fightthat in the courtroom, fight
that where it makes sense andyou can bring all the evidence
to light.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
Yeah, Mr Belford said .
I think the audio is redactedbecause it is likely spicy in
the heat of the moment and wouldmake the officers less
sympathetic.
Just a guess.
That's possible.
Yeah, you know, if they werelike you fucking bitch, you just
attacked me and then they justgo after, like I've heard that
stuff before.
When you get in a fight thattype of language can come out

(02:16:41):
sometimes.
So that's possible.
Or it's just possible theydon't have audio.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not going to speculate.
I would hope they have audioand if it went to court I'm sure
the audio would definitely comeout.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
And there's a lot of people watching this, because
I've had nine correctionsofficers reach out for a
connection in the past 15minutes on LinkedIn, because
they're obviously watching thislive and I would love to hear
from them.
I would love to haveconversations with them.
I would love to eventually getsomebody that's been in
corrections for 15 plus years togive an example of what they go

(02:17:16):
through on a daily basis.
I'd love to get them on theshow just so people can hear
that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Yeah, and from my understanding the charges were
were dropped.
I think that was the update.
I think the charges weredropped.
Um, don't, don't hold me to thefire on that.
I'm not 100 sure, but yeah theywere dropped against the dos
the yeah, yeah, I think wedropped against them.
So, um, but yeah, cody, highroller, he's like yeah, I agree
with uh, what do you say?
Yeah, I agree with the beinghigh part, but I am also of the

(02:17:43):
belief that someone that highcould possibly need medical
attention they couldn't offer inthat facility.
Yeah, that's for sure part ofit.
I have been in fights withpeople drunk.
I've been in fights with peoplehigh, not on weed.
I've never been in a fight witha high on weed, never fought a
pothead, never fought a pothead.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
I'm usually buying them a fight with a high on weed
, never fought a pothead.
I'm usually buying them asandwich.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
Right, yeah, pro tip to you officers out there If
you've got somebody that you'vebusted and you know they're
going to go away for a littlewhile and they're being cool,
run them through the drive-thrureal quick before you get to the
jail.
They're not going to get adecent meal for a while and it's
just a good investment.
Just a pro tip.
I always kept cigarettes withme.

(02:18:28):
I'm not a smoker.
Keep cigarettes with me.
A couple of different kindsmarbles, newports, whatever,
funny funny story at thecigarette.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
So I started doing that and when I was a Marine I
smoked, I dipped, I drankalcohol, I you know but but I
started keeping cigarettes withme.
I had a good FTO that told mehey, keep cigarettes with you,
this keeps people calm.
And one time I opened a pack, Imean, and I don't know how long
it was in my go bag and thisguy's like man, I would kill for

(02:18:57):
a cigarette right now and Iwould love to talk to you all.
I'm like you know what I got,that I go in there and I get
that pack of Marlboro Light 100s.
I'm packing it for him and Iget it out and I give it to him.
He takes a long drop of thatcigarette and he goes Jesus
Christ, brother, how long havethese been in your bag?
I was inhaling just paper andI'm like man, I'm sorry.

(02:19:20):
And I went and bought him a newpack before it went up to three
, three, you know, $300 a packor whatever it is now.
And it's you know but but itgoes.
So those of you are doing that,make sure your shit ain't stale
and don't give up.

Speaker 3 (02:19:37):
Yeah, so I was a negotiator, I was the lead
negotiator on our team and wehad a guy hanging out at the
freeway overpass and he saidhe'd come down for a cup of
coffee.
So I had an officer run to thestation to get a cup of coffee
and if you ever know anythingabout station coffee, it is
pretty much just jet fuel.
It's gross.
So we hand it to him and hetakes a sip and he throws it out

(02:19:58):
and he goes.
This is the worst effing coffeeI've ever had in my life.
But thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:03):
But it says on the counter that it's the world's
best cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
That's right.
If it comes out of a PD, youknow it's from the cheapest
vendor.

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
Yeah, I would always keep mine.
I didn't have full packs, Ijust kept them in the big gum
cases.
You just kept them rolled inyour sleeve yeah, yeah, the big
gum cases or a little ziploc bagin the glove box, and I would
leave them in my car, so any ofthe other officers that took
that car out on the other shiftsif they wanted to get a hold of

(02:20:34):
them.
They knew where they were at um, because I'm a teen player, so
but uh, yeah, let's.
Uh, all right, we're gonna getto the two body cams that we
have.
So I think we've we've talkedand discussed the two big
problems that we had there giveme, give me 45 seconds.
Tell my daughter good night,real quick all right, yeah, I'll
be shouting out police activitywhile we do that.

(02:20:56):
So, um, let's see here, let'sshare the screen, so we always
like to give credit witheverybody's stuff that we use.
Tonight, we're going to usePolice Activity.
Shout out to them, guys, makesure you follow them.
They've only got 6.5 millionsubscribers, so they need some
more.
I use that same joke every time.
I'm so jelly that they havethat many subscribers and I'm

(02:21:21):
sitting at maybe 14,000, whichis nothing to sneeze at.
That's amazing.
Uh, we have, we have a tightknit community, so that's what I
like.
But, uh, yeah, so all thevideos are going to be off here
tonight.
Guys, make sure you go.
I'm stalling for banning, bythe way.
Uh, mr Billfold said uh,tonight's stream has been one of
my favorites of late.

(02:21:41):
All right, awesome, we will tryto.
Maybe we'll.
We'll start copying the formatthat we've been doing tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:21:47):
We'll start Mr Billfold's, one of my favorites
of late.

Speaker 1 (02:21:50):
Yeah, I know All right, let me uh, vicky size.
Let me see.
Well, we need to get to thevideo.
Where's that Okay?
Here we need to get to thevideo.
Where's that?
Okay?
Here's the first one.
Let me rewind, because itplayed just like the first 15
seconds.
Okay, and share this oneinstead.
Good, biggie size, all right,and I am going to wait for

(02:22:14):
Banning to pop his little headin here.
So I'm going to check out thecomments real quick.
What's my mom saying?
She said exactly why I don'tbelieve she has adhd.
Adhd king.
That med would not make heramped up, aggressive or enraged.
If she is adhd, I don't know.
I'm not a.
I'm not a learning doctor, so Iwish I could learn doctors.

(02:22:39):
The, the house of learneddoctors.
Oh, I can.
What if I do this?
Well, look at that, can movepeople's pictures around.
Fancy, I was trying to move usto the other side is what I was
trying to do, but it won't, willit?
Let me?
Let me try.
Try this way.
Jackpot, you won.
There we go Now.
The comments won't block yourface, jared.

(02:23:01):
Nice, there he is.
We was waiting for you, guy.
Thank you.
Looking at the chats, magdumpjust dumped $2 on us.
Appreciate you, brother.
He gave us a super sticker.
He goes wait for it, wait forit, or it's with a clock as the

(02:23:22):
A.
Oh funny, all right, let's keepgoing here, all right, and play
.
I think we're playing.
Yeah, we're playing.

Speaker 7 (02:23:35):
All right, Mr Balloon , step out for real quick.
I ain't got to get out of here.

Speaker 8 (02:23:38):
You should do because I got a probable cause of
search vehicle.
Now why?
Because he said there's a roachin the car.
So you want to step out of thecar or I'm going to have to
force you to remove you from thecar.

Speaker 1 (02:23:45):
Okay, so we don't have a lot of backstory, but it
looks like it's a traffic stopand he said the key words.
I have probable cause.
He said there's a roach in thecar Jared.
What's a roach?

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
That would be a Mary Jane cigarette.
The devil's lettuce, thedevil's lettuce.

Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
That would be the gummy that somebody spoke about
earlier, in a leafy form.

Speaker 1 (02:24:10):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:24:12):
The total stark contrast from Officer joffries
to this guy.
Yes he laid out exactly whatthe issue was yeah, so you are
required to get out.

Speaker 1 (02:24:23):
Um, and I would even argue that if I was the officer
and about to search this car,I'm gonna put you in cuffs.
So, uh, I don't know whoseroach it is there.
If there's a little bit, theremay be more, and we've got to
figure out who it is and whatcrime's afoot.
So, yeah, everybody's detained,everybody's going in cuffs.

Speaker 2 (02:24:40):
That's how I would handle it, banning anything on
that, no as long as you havelegal reason to be there, you
have elements of the offense.
Everything's stated to you.
As long as the cop's a good cop, we keep going forward yeah,
and it's more than a smell.

Speaker 1 (02:24:55):
He said he sees.
He sees a roach.
So it's actually an on viewoffense.

Speaker 7 (02:24:59):
So let's go here and if you don't comply, you will be
placed under arrest fordisorderly conduct and
obstructing operations.
So step out of the vehicle nowokay, a little aggressive.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
It's not exactly what I would call using verbal judo.
I don't really like thatapproach.
I don't be like hey bro, listen, we got to search the car.
There's a roach in there.
You're not in trouble yet.
We have to figure this out.
We got to investigate.
I just need you to step out ofthe car.
I'm going to place you in cuffs, but that doesn't mean you're
under arrest.
Safety precaution while we dothis.
Boom, very simple, you don'tgot to talk to people, even

(02:25:35):
though this guy's not talkingvery nice, but you know, I think
he's being but at the same time, even though he's not, you
could probably bring him down bytalking him smoother toner.
Yeah, cody, high roller.
So the ownership goes towhoever the registered owner of
the vehicle maybe depends on thelocation.
Depends on the location of it.

(02:25:56):
Now, if I see a roach and it'sbetween this guy's feet on the
ground and I smell the weed,well, he's in closer proximity
and devil's advocate.

Speaker 3 (02:26:03):
What if it's a rental car?

Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
oh yeah, what if it is a rental?

Speaker 3 (02:26:06):
car.
We hold enterprise responsibleright.

Speaker 1 (02:26:09):
so this is, this is all part of it.
So, but yeah, I don't like theofficer's, I just don't like his
tone.
I don't like his tone.
It's all wrong.
Agreed, he could be a littlenicer.
Could be nicer.
Yeah, it's not my style.

Speaker 8 (02:26:26):
Don't reach around inside the vehicle.
Step out of the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (02:26:31):
Fuck you, man.
That's what he said.

Speaker 3 (02:26:33):
Okay, this is going to get interesting.
Let's see how this goes.
He is also, I mean you can seeon the upper he's a kentucky
state trooper, so that explainssome of the demeanor those.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
Those guys are a little bit more to the point
yeah, I heard they've beenhaving a lot of problems with
kentucky troopers.
Out there, though, some somecorruption going on with the
dwis and whatnot, but let's keepgoing you want to go to jail,
keep it up.
I'm not scared of jail.
Well, okay, well, I'm gonnathat's not phrasing I ever want
to hear I ain't scared of jail Icouldn't hear it he goes I

(02:27:05):
ain't scared of jail.
Yeah, I'm putting you in cuffsnow, sir.
That's not a good indicator.
Um, I think a lot of this rightnow is just communication.
99.9 of this job is talking.
Neither one of them are talkingwell to each other and it's
causing a build-up but you cantell he's setting himself up for

(02:27:28):
a nice little wrist lock thereyep, I like the control.
uh, I agree with that.
If, if I'm him, I'm putting himin cuffs, like I said, I would
have done that automatically.
It has nothing to do with whatwas said back and forth up until
now, it's just the fact thatI'm going to have to search this
vehicle.
I just inhaled something.
Then I'm going to have tosearch this vehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
At least you admitted that you inhaled yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
Right, I did not inhale, yeah, so let's see where
this goes.

Speaker 8 (02:27:58):
I'll oblige you on that.
Hey, don't reach for anything.
Do you understand that?
Drop what you got in your hands.
No, I'm videotaping this shit.

Speaker 1 (02:28:08):
Okay, he said no, I'm videotaping this shit he wanted
and that's not a reasonablerequest.
You're asking a guy to droptheir phone.
My phone costs like 1200 bucks.
Yep, I'm not dropping my phone.
Put on the hood.
Put it on the hood, whatever itis, take it out of his hand.
So the fact that he's takinghim down here, based on what we

(02:28:29):
see, I don't like this um.
Based on what we see, I don'tlike this Um based on what we
see.
Now, caveat, if he tensed upand we didn't, we can't see that
necessarily.
So there may have beensomething that he felt and he's
like oh shit, this guy's aboutto turn on me, but I didn't see
any indicators of that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:47):
We also don't know, like you said before, the total
situation.
The trooper could knowsomething about this guy and
he's using the roach as a ployto get in the car or as a way to
get in the car.
Um, but can you?

Speaker 1 (02:28:59):
elaborate, elaborate on that, because that's a good
teaching point for people thatdon't understand what you mean
yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:29:04):
So I mean, this guy could have a warrant.
This car could have somethingelse in the car that he knows
about.
It could have been used inanother crime and he's using the
roach as a method to put thosepeople under arrest.
Get the situation under controlbefore he starts investigating
in order to not ass up thesuspects or things like that I
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely okay.
What's uh banny, you gotanything to add?
You want me to keep going?

Speaker 2 (02:29:26):
no, I mean, the whole point is is, you know, are you
allowed to have a pretextualstop?
And you are, and that that'ssomething that we don't know of
what's going on here.
You know, the officer may havemore information than what we're
hearing right now.

Speaker 1 (02:29:41):
Yep Centurion Tactical.
Eric's flexing.
He has an Apple $1,200.
Get an Android.
No, I'm an adult and I'm nottrying to rage against the
machine and be some sort of you,uh, anti, um, authoritarian,
you know.
Whatever you want to call it,you're basically being a little
teenager that's rebelling whenyou don't have an apple I'm a

(02:30:02):
rebellious, I'm a pixel guythere's always, there's always
one of them always one of them.

Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
I stand with you, centurion I'll actually get.

Speaker 1 (02:30:10):
I'm down with the pixel, the pixels, but when you
go android, you just you're,you're doing that out of being
you know.
It's like being a michiganstate fan when michigan's been
there, like you're only amichigan state fan to to rebel,
and I don't like that.
Be an adult, get an iphone.
So, oh, alan chimed in alan.

(02:30:32):
I said alan, he, alan, he's on,he's finally in.
What's up?
Al, all right, let's keep goingwith this video.
You're under arrest.
Get on the ground.
Oh, he's already got the taserout, jesus.
Okay, I don't like that either.
You took him down to the ground, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30:54):
Why did you let go of control?
Yeah, yeah, stayed on him.
If you got something tomaintain, maintain.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
Don't back off and escalate yeah, yeah, I mean,
that's really what he did.
Um, now me thinking you know,I'm trying to think from all
different angles here.
If they're because he's in thepassenger seat, if the driver,
there may have been multiplepassengers, we don't know, that
are standing or sitting and hehasn't got them all cuffed.

Speaker 3 (02:31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
And so he's trying to create distance and he knows he
can't go hands-on because theseother guys may jump in.
He's trying to keep distanceand watch them at the same time.
Maybe, I don't know.
So that's a possibility.
So let's keep going.
He missed, apparently that's apossibility, so let's keep going
.
A what A miss.
Apparently we're getting out.
We got good NMI, get on theground.
We're going to get it again.

Speaker 8 (02:31:40):
Get on the ground.
I'm on the ground.
You're going to get it again.
Lay on your belly.
I'm on the ground.
Lay on your belly.

Speaker 1 (02:31:48):
Okay, so, as he's giving the commands, he told him
to get on the ground.
He told him to get on his belly.
He's getting on his belly, sohe's listening.
I I could care less aboutwhat's being said.
I care about are you listeningto the, to the direction, and
are you following those?
And he's doing what he's told.
So we're getting you know himbeing listening lay on your
belly.
Put your hands behind your back.

(02:32:09):
Put your hands behind bro youdidn't even give him a chance to
put his hands behind his back.

Speaker 3 (02:32:17):
Chill.

Speaker 1 (02:32:19):
You didn't even give him a chance.
I don't.
Am I wrong?
Am I the only?

Speaker 2 (02:32:27):
You're not wrong.
I mean, this is the whole thing.
You've tasered him once Go inthere and take your whole
friggin' situation if you're,whatever you're arresting him
for and friggin' put him incuffs.

Speaker 1 (02:32:39):
Yeah, the only thing that I feel like he didn't
really listen to was droppinghis phone.

Speaker 3 (02:32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:32:44):
Which I understand.
That's not a reasonable request, not at the time, like I don't
like this.
Hide your back, he can't.
Like, I don't like this.
He can't.
You're taking it.
He had him in NMI.
You're yelling at him to puthis hands behind his back.
He physically can't do it atthat moment.

(02:33:08):
So now you got to let it offand then you have to give
commands.
You have to give a chance forhim to do what you're asking him
to do Put your hands, do yourback.

Speaker 8 (02:33:14):
Okay, put your hands behind your back, holy shit.
Put your hands behind your backmobility issues.

Speaker 1 (02:33:47):
Anyway, like I, I'm not a, it's a body language
thing.
He's he's gotten some mobilityissues.
You can see it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:56):
Let's start at the beginning of this.
He's the passenger, correct?
Yes, you want me to go back?
No, I believe it.
I saw that when we first saw it.
But he's the frigging passenger.
Your driver is obviouslycomplying in a different
location and other deputies orofficers are dealing with that.
Now you want the passenger andI don't know the information
this officer deputy orSmuckatelli, whatever he is has.

(02:34:20):
But why are we continuouslyelectrocuting?
Why are we continuouslythrowing that flow?
He says he can't Follow-upquestion.
Sir, why can you not put yourhands behind your back?
Well, I have this, this andthis outstanding.
Can you put your hands in frontof you and let me, let me at

(02:34:41):
least attain you there, and thennow we can have a conversation.
You know, and I'm trying toplay devil's advocate on this
man, but this just does not looka okay to me and I'm just, I'm
trying to be open.

Speaker 1 (02:34:56):
It's really hard to be open on this.
Yep, uh, I just it's the, the.
Yeah, all right, let's, let'skeep going put your hand behind
your back.

Speaker 8 (02:35:05):
What the fuck is your deal, man?
Put your hand behind your back,dude, you're gonna get lit up
again, again, all the way behindyour back, so okay.

Speaker 1 (02:35:16):
So there's some he's telling him I can't like they're
behind my back, I just can'tget them any farther.
He's got some mobility issues.
Um, in in the level of ampnessthat this guy is, I don't see.
He didn't attack you.
Why are you so amped up?
He's not actively digging rightnow.
I get it his hands were upunder him, but that was more of

(02:35:38):
a defensive posture and and uh,I'm not.
That's where I don't want amonday morning quarterback the
officer, because I can't.
I don't know what hisperception of what he was seeing
was, but him having his handsup under his chest is not
indicative to me that he'sdigging for something.
It's a holy shit.
I don't know what the fuck todo.

Speaker 8 (02:36:01):
So all the way, don't move, don't move.
I'm not moving.
Don't you move, bud, I'm not.
What the fuck man?
I didn't do nothing.
I've already told you that, butI'm not.

Speaker 7 (02:36:23):
I've already told you that onceI didn't do nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:36:29):
Five, let me tell bad , that's 65 65, now I got one
detained and one of the bag allright, so I'm gonna read the
description now that we've seenall that.
Um, let's see.
A kentucky construction workeris suing state trooper who
allegedly tased mace andarrested him in 2024 over a

(02:36:52):
seatbelt violation.
Dawson Blevins, as a passengervehicle, claims the situation
escalated rapidly when thetrooper exit the car.
Blevins said he attempted torecord the encounter on his
phone, prompting Wright todeclare him under arrest and
forcibly throw him to the ground, which we saw.
That Blevins was tasedrepeatedly and eventually

(02:37:17):
sprayed with mace while lyingprone.
He was not lying prone Pronemeans arms out.
Attorneys say he sufferedspinal fractures during the
arrest and was jailed for monthsbefore all charges were
dismissed earlier this year.
Holy shit, that's a bigstatement.

Speaker 2 (02:37:35):
That's a huge statement, man.
Yeah, that means the DA, theintake DA.
They're all looking at this andthey're watching the video over
and over and over again andthey're like, fuck, we got to
know.
What does the internal affairscomplaint reveal?
You know, that's the next step.
Where is this going?
Just so people understand Now,the department's clamoring of

(02:37:58):
shit that one of our pupils dosomething wrong and where's our
investigation into this?
And that's where these go.

Speaker 1 (02:38:06):
Yeah, it says.
The lawsuit against Wrightcomes just months after his
federal indictment for multipleunrelated excessive force cases
spanning four years.
So this guy's got a history.
Body cam footage from Blevinsarrest now public shows Wright
deploying his taser while givingcommands Blevins physically
could not follow, includingordering him to put his hands

(02:38:27):
behind his back while beingshocked and immobilized, which
we pointed out.
And none of us have seen thisvideo.
I didn't see this.
So the lawsuit also accusesWright of fabricating details in
his arrest report to justifythe use of force.
Wright was indicted earlier in2025 by a federal grand jury in
Louisville for beating andtasing multiple people from 2020

(02:38:48):
to 2024.
Damn, that's what we stillaccount for.
Sorry war.
Damn, that was a cop for.
Sorry.
Despite previous allegations ofms connick, right was once
honored as trooper of the yearin 2021.
He remained suspended as both afederal case and blevins
lawsuit moved forward.
Holy shit, okay, so we weren'tthat far off, guys.

(02:39:08):
Uh, let's go over.
Let's go to the comments.
Let's see what people areseeing.
Uh, cops should be fired.
Clearly he's a hothead abusinghis position.
If you let this like it's, Idon't think he should just be
fired.

Speaker 2 (02:39:22):
He needs to be charged yeah yeah, that is a
charge and it was egregious youknow, and I and I love cops, I
love people, but when you seestuff like this man, yeah, shit.

Speaker 1 (02:39:35):
Yep, yep, I agree.
Cody said I called it Shouldhave been immediately fired
after I did an investigationinto a situation.
Steve Ladner, we'veinvestigated ourselves to find
no wrongdoing.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
Too funny and I understand Steve's point on that
.
There's a lot of times thatI've seen, from beginning to end
to where I looked over stuff,and stuff is not combed properly
, is not released to the publicproperly, and then we have
people like Long Island Auditpeople coming out there and
they're showing the entire thingto the public.
I'm like, hey, we have issueswith this and that is cleaning

(02:40:16):
things up, regardless of whatcops are watching this thing,
and all these guys are just outthere to know.
If you look at the totality ofthe circumstance, of what
they're doing, and their missionbeing out here is to show the
totality.
They're showing the entirepiece.
It's not what whateverdepartment wants you to see or
an officer wants you to see or asuspect wants you to see.

(02:40:37):
It's the totality and that'swhat people don't understand.
And it's still less than 1%,which is too much, of people
screwing up out there.
And there's so many good copsout there, but the ones that are
being caught doing garbage likethis, garbage like the first
video that was shown hey, bringthem all to a building.
I'll come, we'll have a party,we'll talk about it, we'll have

(02:41:01):
a serious conversation and makesure it's in international
waters.
I'm kidding, little humor.

Speaker 1 (02:41:07):
Little humor, all right, let's go to the next
video.
Again, this is from PoliceActivity, so shout out to them,
give credit where credit's due.
Share the screen Boom.
All right, I have seen this one, so I'm going to put that out
there.
I've seen this one Biggie, sizeit.
I think Banning sent me this,actually.

Speaker 2 (02:41:29):
You know what I did, because this reminds me of
Patrol that guy, all right let'sgo but you don't live here,
right, huh well I haven't livedhere for a while.

Speaker 5 (02:41:42):
We all right?

Speaker 7 (02:41:43):
well, unfortunately you have warrants for your
arrest.
I need to turn around, put yourhands behind your back okay, I
like this.

Speaker 1 (02:41:50):
this is how we started out.
We let him know hey, gotwarrants, I need you to put your
hands behind your back.
I would have asked him to comeoutside and talk to me.
I'm not going to tell him thatinside of a home, that's just me
.
Jared, how would you handle it?

Speaker 3 (02:42:03):
So I would have done the same thing, but I would have
cheated, and as he's walkingout, I would have grabbed onto
him, just because he iscontained.

Speaker 1 (02:42:11):
Yes, I, I would have liked to get, you know, grab a
hold of the elbow, maybe a wrist, whatever it is, escort him out
as we.
We get him, but I need to gethim away from the hall.
I need to get him away fromeverything else, but if he's
gonna go anywhere, he's gonna gosprinting out the front door,
so that that's what I wouldprefer.
Um, I love when banning's greenscreen goes out every time, man
, I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (02:42:31):
Y'all go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
I've seen this yeah, you know what I?
I think it is banning, I thinkit's his, I think it's his video
card.
I think what happens is he'srunning that green yeah I just
can't pry.
He doesn't have a good graphiccards, all it is so um.

Speaker 3 (02:42:48):
But it's hard to maintain that red beard against
the green wall I know right forwhat?

Speaker 8 (02:42:52):
what am I turning around for right?
For what?
What are my warrants for?
Turn around, they're for localwarrants.
Turn around, I don't have anywarrants.
I want you to tell me whatthey're for, sure.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
You don't have a real like.
There's no legal obligation fora cop to tell you exactly what
your warrants are for.
All he's got to tell you isthat you have warrants and that
you're.
It's just the way it goes.
Spring banning back here, sofight indicators are on already.
This guy, he's not listening.
He turned.

Speaker 2 (02:43:22):
I can't hear you, I'm coming back in.

Speaker 1 (02:43:28):
He's trying to get everything going, but this is a
pre-indicator that this dudeintends to fight and resist.

Speaker 8 (02:43:34):
Turn around and put your hands down, tell me what
they're for.
Taser, taser, taser, turnaround.

Speaker 5 (02:43:39):
Taser if you want to Turn around and put your hands
down.
Taser if you want to Turnaround and put your hands down.

Speaker 8 (02:43:43):
You're not in my house.
Turn around and put your handsdown Now.

Speaker 1 (02:43:44):
I'm not a big fan of him going to the tas and
threatening, because that'sreally what he just did.

Speaker 3 (02:43:52):
Yeah, and you know the cop had control.
Now he doesn't have control.

Speaker 1 (02:43:55):
Yes, yeah, he let go of the wrist.
Um, so I don't.
I, I think, to keep thingscalmer, I would have kept
control and not jumped into theuh, taser, taser, taser part.
Yet I would have my taser ready, I would have had it out, but
your job as the second guy is tokeep your mouth shut.
Yeah, so I think that may haveamped things up a little bit.

Speaker 8 (02:44:19):
You're going to get tasered.

Speaker 1 (02:44:24):
He said the magic words I'm not going to.
They told him several times putyour hands behind your back.
He said I'm not going to, soit's off with me.
Now I'm going hands-on.
I'm telling you guys, right nowI'm already going hands-on, I'm
bum-rushing.
So that's my style.
I would have bum-rushed himright here.

(02:44:45):
When you tell me you're notgoing to do it, I'm done playing
and I've explained this beforeIf you handle business right now
, it prevents a higher use offorce later.
Where you end up struggling,this guy ends up running into a
room grabbing a weapon and nowwe end up having to shoot him
because we hesitated him, hauledaround and tried to do this

(02:45:06):
deescalation bullshit too long.
I don't mind deescalation, butyou got to know where to draw
the line.
This guy said I'm not doing itand he drew the line for me.
So it's over with Jared.
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (02:45:19):
Yeah, same thing.
And if you guys can look atthose two laser dots on them,
kind of setting up yourself forfailure because your spread's
not very good, even if you aregoing to tase them.
Yep, so take that intoconsideration, yeah of
consideration.

Speaker 1 (02:45:30):
Yeah, that's not a good enough spread.
You need one below the hip andone above the hip.

Speaker 2 (02:45:34):
guys 21 years as a patrol officer okay, out there
on the street every day with myguys, even all the way up into
administration, and I've neverdeployed probes into somebody.
I have always gotten that andthat's just banning.
I mean, that's just the way Ido things.
When somebody says you know,acorn Magdum says it's grapple
time, I know what's going tohappen when I grab somebody.

(02:45:54):
I know the outcome and I'veseen portions of this video.
I've never seen all the waythrough it.
I've seen portions of it and Isent it to Eric and I'm like
that was me on patrol Because Iknew when I got my arms around
somebody they're going to gethurt less and we're going to
take them to the ground to gethurt less.
And we're going to take them tothe ground, we're going to get
them handcuffed and we're goingto bring them for due process

(02:46:15):
period.

Speaker 3 (02:46:16):
Well, you're probably impact pushing him through the
drywall, so I've done that a fewtimes.

Speaker 2 (02:46:21):
Um, I've been to calls where I found people in a
drywall, so a big guy dealt withthem before I got there.
So I completely have.
Have I gone through walls,unfortunately?
Yes, that's not to say anythingon size or anything like that.
They started the momentum and Ifinished it.

Speaker 1 (02:46:35):
Yeah, it's like having a bull in a china shop.
Is that the old saying?
All right, keep going, yeah,yeah, okay, we're pushing them
back into rooms.
Never a good strategy, but Iunderstand.
It just goes that way sometimeswhen you're in a fight.

(02:46:57):
If my partner's going hands-on,I'm going hands-on.
The taser goes away, so I don'tlike this.
This is too much dependence onour Batman belt here.

Speaker 8 (02:47:11):
You're going to kill me.
I want to step it up.
I need backup.

Speaker 1 (02:47:15):
No, you don't not yet one person.

Speaker 2 (02:47:21):
If you can't handle one person with two fucking
people, get the fuck out of theprofession.
Yeah, like relax dude.

Speaker 1 (02:47:28):
Sorry, settle down like I don't understand this.
Need to jump, okay, if you gotan opportunity to jump on the
radio, yeah, hey, we're fighting.
I need more Relax.
Act like you've been therebefore.
Do the Barry Sanders.

Speaker 3 (02:47:42):
And now what you just did, even though that situation
is controllable.
Now you've got your whole squadassed up and they're all
running code.

Speaker 1 (02:47:49):
Because they just got amped up, because you were
amped up.
That's why maintaining radiodiscipline is so important and
being able to get on there andbeing calmed and controlled.
When I'm in a fight, I get onthere.
Hey, he's fighting me.
I need some more people.
Literally, we're fighting, Ineed more people and they'll get
there, but they're going to getthere a lot calmer.
Oh shit, levine's fightingsomebody.

(02:48:10):
He's calling, we've got to getthere.

Speaker 3 (02:48:12):
And your squad knows too, if you're asking for it.

Speaker 1 (02:48:16):
Yeah.
So, yes, powerbomb, that wasthe banning move right there.
That deserves a replay, let'sgo back done now in the custody

(02:48:41):
man.

Speaker 2 (02:48:41):
Take me, bring for judge and jury.

Speaker 1 (02:48:44):
That's, that's your job yep, I like how one officer
handled it.
I don't like how the otherofficer handled it, but I don't
like how one officer amped it upand the other one was trying to
keep it calm.
They they kind of flip floppedon that, so but one was about.
That's what I'm talking aboutwhen I tell you guys to handle
business.
That's exactly what I mean.
Sometimes you earn yourpaycheck and that's what he did.

(02:49:04):
He went in, got hands on, hetook them to the ground and they
got them in cuffs.
That was it.
That was it.
Now he got probed a bunch.
That sucks.
But that's man, just.
It's just the nature of thegame.
And this guy asked for it, toldhim, put his hands behind his
back.
They tried to make it peaceful.
He said no, you're not doing itto me.
So, um, how did?

(02:49:26):
Mr Billfold said how did thisescalate when there was a point
where he willingly put his handsbehind his back?
This officer should have closedand subdued him before all that
happened.

Speaker 2 (02:49:38):
Exactly, 100%, 100%.
Thank you for noticing this.
Without law enforcementtraining, yeah, for whatever
training that we go through.
Thank you for noticing that.
Absolutely, absolutely.
When he failed to comply eventhe guy that I say, hey, that's
what I used to do on patrol bothof them should have closed the
gap, stopped the physicalmovement and taken him into

(02:50:00):
custody period.

Speaker 1 (02:50:01):
Yeah, and I've had recruits ask me before.
They're like how do I know IfI'm going to arrest somebody?
How do I know?
I'm afraid to be like.
They've told me before I'mworried I'm going to get caught
off guard.
How do I prevent myself frombeing caught off guard?
And I've always told my guys,when you grab, when you are

(02:50:21):
making contact, you're gettingthat connection.
As you're going to getconnection, that's one, that's
the most likely time they'regoing to fight.
And two, you should always bethinking when I go to grab him,
I wish a motherfucker would.
I wish he would do somethingstupid.
And that's not because you wantto fight, it's to keep you
ready.
For if they do fight, you areready to go.

(02:50:43):
You're not caught off guardbecause you're expecting them to
fight and when they don't,you're surprised oh okay, shit,
he didn't fight me.
Cool, I got the cuffs on.
But the moment he starts topull away, just like Mr Belfold
said, he's already on the ground.
Because I wish a motherfuckerwould, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (02:51:00):
Close that distance.
And everybody's like oh man,that's cruel, You're getting
less people hurt.
Close that distance, Stop thatmovement, Get him in hand
restraintsuffs whatever you wantto call it, and stop it, stop
it yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:51:18):
Yeah, the first wrist .
He's going into the wall.
My entire body's pinning himagainst that wall and I'm
grabbing his other wrist yeah,no, uh yeah, it just depends.

Speaker 1 (02:51:26):
I'm probably not grabbing the other wrist for me
personally, I'm going for a footsweep dump, so I'm gonna pin
and drop um.
Because if you're gonna fight,I'm not cuffing you standing um,
so I'm gonna get them to theground.
But that's just me.
Everybody teach their own um.
Brand r 86 said do you think ifthey elaborate on the warrant,
it could de-escalate, or thisrule of thumb they all run

(02:51:47):
depends on the person.
Depends on the person I Ihonestly got the vibe from this
guy.
He he's going to fight.
Yeah, he's fighting.
He didn't want to go to jail.

Speaker 2 (02:51:57):
That could have been a parking ticket, that could
have been a handicapped parkingspot and it was a class C what
we call in Texas a very lowlevel misdemeanor.
And he's going to go spend 30minutes in jail and get bonded
out and go pay $150 to $500,fine and be done.
And a person like this is so.
He's wired, he's going, he'sthis and this and this, and our

(02:52:19):
job is to bring him therepeacefully.
And unfortunately, that officerthat was standing by the door
had to grab him and put him down.
The taser did not have a goodpoint, it did not.
No, everything went wrong onthat.
And if you count the time, andI haven't done.
And for the, if you count thetime and I haven't done it yet,
if you count the time and whenthat taser was deployed, the
hallway scuffle to the point towhere big boy puts the, the, the

(02:52:42):
bad guy, down on the ground.
Suspect subject, whatever youwant to call it.
Uh, it's not very long, it's,it's less than 15 seconds, yeah,
you know.
And this stuff happens andunravels so damn fast and we
have to make decisions manypeace officers really quick to
stop that movement so nobodyelse gets hurt, including other
people in the house.

Speaker 3 (02:53:02):
Yeah, yeah, you can tell too.
He had something on board,whether it's drugs or alcohol or
something he was.
He was sweating, his eyes wereall crazy.
So you also have to take thatinto consideration too, because,
depending upon your taser oryou know your control techniques
, he might not feel it.

Speaker 1 (02:53:17):
He looked a little.
If I were to guess and say helooked a little messed up, that
to me that was the that's, thatwould be my guess and twitchy,
sweating, his eyes throw up showme on its third one, down from
the top.

Speaker 2 (02:53:29):
He just put this comment out there, and this is
important.
So how did we come and contacthim?
Was it a warrant service?
So what was our legal reason tobe there?
And you know what?
Show me audits.
I wish I would have looked intothis more.
What was their legal reason tobe there?
It could have been familyviolence.
It could have been.
Hey, johnny Schmuckatelli wasthere and he's got an active

(02:53:52):
warrant.
Go pick him up and bring himbefore the courts.
I hope that they have legalbearing to be there.
And if they had legal bearingthe reason to be there, they're
good.
If they didn't, if this is awitch hunt and they're driving
down the road and they're CrownVic or Explorer or whatever it

(02:54:13):
is, and they're like you knowwhat that brown and white house
over there looks, great, let'sgo knock on the door and see if
somebody has a warrant that thatdoesn't.
That doesn't happen.
And and the real trained lawenforcement.
But tell me, you know, eric, amI going down the right path
with this?
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:54:30):
I actually pulled up and pasted in the comments, but
it said more Oklahoma.
On June 5th 2025, more policeofficers responded to a house
where a man identified as Jasona dispute of property or
something like that, becausethat guy did kind of act like
he's been in there before.
But either way, you got aperson that's not supposed to be

(02:55:02):
in there, according to thehomeowner, and that gives you
justification and your RAS forcontinuing the investigation and
to identify the person.
So now we've got a reason toidentify him through identifying
him, we've got the warrants.
Now that we've got a reason toidentify him Through identifying
him, we've got the warrants.
Now that we've got the warrants, you're under arrest.
It writes itself.
That's how I see that.

Speaker 3 (02:55:21):
Yeah, I think it said that he used to live there like
a couple years ago, and hebroke in.

Speaker 1 (02:55:25):
Oh, okay.
So yeah, that goes more intohim being high.

Speaker 2 (02:55:30):
And this makes me want to talk to Mr Billfold in
person more, either on the phoneor on LinkedIn.
You know he says somethingabout Paris Island,
schmuckatellis.
This is a big Marine Corpscomment and I love that.
This was something our drillinstructors used to carve into
us in basic training.
I went in back in 97 andanytime I you know if it slips
out of my frigging my mouth whenI'm talking schmuckatellis.

(02:55:53):
That's exactly what Mr Belfortwas talking about.
It's just military training inthe Marine Corps on the East
Coast.

Speaker 1 (02:56:01):
Yep, yep and Show Me.
Audit said never fight.
Suspect loses every time.
And I agree, man, if you'regoing to fight, fight in court.
That's the way to do it.
Kill them with kindness.
Do the Bugs Bunny.
Approach everybody and I tellthis especially like my auditors
that go out there, because I'vegot some great auditors I love
to follow.
I got some that I hate becauseof just the way they do it.

(02:56:21):
And it's again just because youcan doesn't mean you should,
and some of them are just suchassholes and I'm just like I'm
not an asshole to anybody.
Don't go out and be an athlete.
Golden rule Treat others howyou want to be treated.
So I get it.
But in this one, the officers, Ithink, were well within their

(02:56:41):
rights to each their own on howthey handled it.
I don't think they handled itwrong necessarily.
It's just not how I would havedone it.
But yeah, that's.
And for our audit shows thatall watch tonight.
Holy shit had fun for me.
I hope you kind of got an ideahow we run this stuff, what
we're trying to do here.
We're trying to educate.
So that's what we do.
We educate from a cop'sperspective without trying to

(02:57:03):
cop-splain, so we're trying toavoid being a cock Cock.

Speaker 3 (02:57:09):
That too.

Speaker 1 (02:57:11):
We're trying to avoid being cocks.
We're trying to avoid being acop.
Echo chamber that's anotherpart that we're trying to do.
We like to sip a little boozewith you guys, have some fun
bullshit.
But we highlight when the copsdo good stuff.
But we also highlight when thecops do the bad and we try to
learn from every encounter.
Even when cops do good, we'retrying to teach other cops out

(02:57:33):
there like's a good example howto do stuff when the cops do bad
.
Here's a bad example.
Here's why.
Here's why they're wrong.
And then some of them are juston the edge.
They're like it could be wrong,could be right.
I will tell you my opinion, butit doesn't mean I'm right.
So, uh, what do we?
Got here two cops, one on it,there are bad ones out there.
It sucks to say, uh, but thereare some auditors that go about

(02:57:54):
it the wrong way and your stuffis very good.
Hey, I appreciate it bro.

Speaker 2 (02:57:57):
I appreciate that very much.

Speaker 1 (02:57:59):
Yep, we've got a pretty nice size network going
on.
We're trying to embrace alittle bit of difference in
policing all around.
Banning, you guys might notknow, was a city cop and a
deputy, so he also did deputywork in rural areas where he had
to fight bulls and cartels andstuff like that.
Uh, jared's one of our newestmembers.

(02:58:20):
He was a dual jurisdiction on areservation so he had fed creds
and uh and state creds.
What was it?
City credit, state and travelyeah, oh yeah, three I keep.
I'm underselling you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:58:34):
And I got to be a part of, you know, three letter
federal organizations as taskforce stuff.
So I got to see that thefederal, the state, the local
and the County all within mypeace officer career.
So I got to see them all youknow.
Is there anything that's betterthan the other?
No, there's.
There's a lot of great peopleand there's a lot of bad people
and we just try to peel off alittle bit of everything and and

(02:59:01):
show it to you.

Speaker 1 (02:59:01):
All of what we've seen, yep, um.
Mr Bill Fultz said honestly,you guys need to go hands on
with your fellow officers intraining more often.
Too many seem unsure of what todo when they are within one
arm's distance.
That is dangerous for everybody.
I can't speak for every place,but where I'm at we literally we

(02:59:22):
go pre fatigue you, we make youget exhausted through hit
training.
Then you go into a ring with agrappler so we'll make you roll
for your life for three minuteswhere we're just making you pay
to show you how dangerous it ison the ground and what a person
that knows what they're doingcan do to you.
So that's the wake-up call.
We take you into deep watersand we drown you basically is
the way we like to describe it.
And then we strap you up, putsome boxing gloves on you.

(02:59:44):
You've got to fight a fellowrecruit in your class that's the
same size and stuff, and thenyou've got to fight an
instructor.
And the whole point of that isnot to make.
We're not there to punish you.
We're there to show you whereyour limits are, how vulnerable

(03:00:04):
you can be and where those areat for yourself, cause it's a
real self assessment and thatyou're not going to break just
because you got hit.
So that that's.
We're trying to show you thatwe're not in the instructors
that are in there fighting withyou.
They're more controlled andwhen you watch the video you
realize they weren't.
They weren't in there justdestroying you.
They were actually pickingtheir shots.

(03:00:25):
You were just so exhausted andout of it.
It seemed like you werefighting for your life and that
is what we do.
That's part of it.
That's just, and that's in thefirst two weeks of the Academy,
jared, did you guys do the samething?

Speaker 3 (03:00:35):
Yeah, in the Academy it's harder when you're on the
force and you've been on for awhile, because that's when
everyone gets hurt.
You know torn meniscus, rotatorcuffs.
So once you've been on for along time it's harder to get
those trainings, just becauseyou know you are an older guy
sometimes and you do blow outshoulders a lot easier.
But in the Academy, yeah, youare getting your ass handed to
you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00:56):
Yeah, and I had a lot of experiences in the Academy
and the Marine Corps and andbasic training in Parris Island,
south Carolina.
I went through a lot of thingsand then I got back into the
civilian world and got it, gotinto law enforcement and I went
through what's called TarrantCounty uh police officer Academy
and we we had uh defensivetactics coming up and our

(03:01:20):
unfortunately, our our what theycall it the red suit guy.
The main instructor, red man,you know, had a fricking heart
attack a couple hours prior toour show.
So our uh attack a couple hoursprior to our show.
So our police academycoordinator came in and said
Banning, you're the sergeant ofarms of the class.
We brought in another expertand you are going to be the guy

(03:01:42):
in the red guy suit.
So my academy was, I was theguy in the red suit and I had to
go against everybody that wasin the class and the guy that
was originally supposed to beour red suit guy had huge legs.
I don't know if he squatted, youknow three 4,000 pounds for a
start.
But you know, I put all thestuff on and we were there and

(03:02:04):
every time I had a new academykid come up to me.
We're just going by the book,what you know, what it was there
and, and every time they camedown for what's called a common
perennial strike, my leg guardwould slip down to my ankle and
it was a real common perennialyou want to talk about.
So you know after that we wentstraight into the firing range,

(03:02:26):
which I got the top gun awardfor my, my specific class.
However, I was handicapped as aMFR and had nothing to do with
the Marine Corps.
It had nothing to do with myacademy, it was.
I'm bruised from my kneecap upto my hip and I'm sure there was
a lot more going on in there,but I got up every morning.
I could barely.
I'm glad we were able to getthrough that training.

(03:02:47):
I was glad I was able toprovide my body for these people
to strike when they needed to.
But, holy shit, these peoplethat used to do red man suits
prior to the thing prior tothese suits.
I got to go through that in2002.
I didn't have the properpadding so I went home and I
literally, once I sat down, thegirl I was dating at the time

(03:03:09):
had to pull me up from the couchevery time.
Literally, it was like I wentto leg day and squatted a house
50 times and I couldn't even getup.
I was one of those guys thathad to be lifted off the toilet
for three days because I gotdestroyed from 30 people in my
academy.
One of them was on here earlier.
His name is Matthew Robertsgreat guy.
He's now an injured policeofficer and retired.

(03:03:30):
He was also an Army MP, but togo through that man was amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:03:43):
It was a learning experience for sure.
I want to get to Cody's commenthere.
Do you think women should dealwith men going hands on with
them?
Because I've seen a lot oftimes where the women let
suspects get away because theycan't handle the situation.
Guy or girl, I don't care, thejob's the same all around.
So if you're a guy and theycan't handle the situation, guy
or girl, I don't care, the job'sthe same all around.
So if you're a guy and youcan't do it, or if you're a girl
and you can't do it, you haveno business on this job.
And what I like to do, what wehave done in the past where I am

(03:04:05):
at, is we bring a hunt.
I know a black belt in jujitsu.
She's 120 pounds, soaking wet.
We put her against the biggestperson in the academy and in
that recruit class and shemanhandles them for three
minutes I gotta come watch thatbecause that's awesome yeah, and
you watch all of their eyesopen up and realize the power of

(03:04:27):
grappling.
So, um, that that's what we do.
That's, it's just one of theways of training them.
But I saw somebody talkingabout baiting or something.
I saw they were getting into itin the comments.
I don't know what we'rereferring to.
I saw Fletch say the baitingclaim is bullshit.
What are we talking about?
The cop supporters always claimthat the baiting bullshit, yet

(03:04:49):
it is okay to have bait cars andother stings.
What are we talking about?
Elaborate.

Speaker 2 (03:04:57):
You know from what Tim's saying.
I just know from working withother agencies.
Yes, they did have a lot ofwhat's called quote unquote bait
trailers and stuff like that ondifferent highways and people
would pull up and they wouldsnatch that right on there.
It's got GPS activation.
As soon as it rolls you knowfive inches, it notifies
dispatch and they're like hey,the trailer's on the move.

(03:05:18):
They get into a pursuit wherethe guy stops or gal stops, and
now it's a.
You're in possession of astolen trailer.
What does it belong to?
Whatever County, usa and andthey and they file a case.
I don't know if that is whatTim is talking about, but I've
been on those outings and I'vewatched the videos and I've seen

(03:05:39):
the GPS and it's literally atrailer sitting off the highway
in the emergency lane I call itthe old crap lane on the right
and you got a flat tire orwhatever.
You pull over there and theydrop their trailer because they
have to go do something.

Speaker 1 (03:05:51):
And.

Speaker 2 (03:05:52):
I think that's what Tim may be talking about no, no,
no, they're not.

Speaker 1 (03:05:55):
They're not.
They're talking about when theauditors bait, when you get like
the police and those guys thatcome out and they're just dicks
like right off the gate you know, telling cops, go do your
fucking job, come here, good boy, and doing all that shit.
They're talking about not beingable to be.
They're talking about not beingable to be or.
You shouldn't be baited by thatand I agree I don't get baited
by it.

(03:06:15):
It's just annoying.
That's my, it's my.

Speaker 2 (03:06:19):
I can say this confidently they're they're
assholes for doing that.
But I want, when I'm wearing ashoulder patch and I'm out there
being paid by the, the taxpayer, and doing stuff, it doesn't
bother me.
I know you have, I know Jaredhas.
We've been called everythingout of the sun.
You know, and if you have yourwits about you and nothing you

(03:06:39):
know, that's not going to botherus, unfortunately there are
some people that it gets to, itshould, and we've all had bad
days too.

Speaker 1 (03:06:47):
That's that's another thing.
That's the sucky side of thisjob is we're supposed to take
off the human emotion side ofthings and sometimes you just
can't do it.
I've been victim of that myself.
I have been on a dead baby calland this was well before a lot
of the PTSD stuff.
Really, support was reallytrying to get out there.

(03:07:09):
And then the next call isMargaret's bitching that the
neighbor's garbage cans on herside of the driveway again, and
you get out there and they'reaccusing you of not taking their
call seriously and you justwant to fucking snap.
So and then the next thing yougot is you got an auditor in
your face and trying to to pickat you and all you can think

(03:07:29):
about was that last call.
So I on the human side ofthings, I see that that can be.
So I tell officers like youneed to know you, we need to be
able to.
A good supervisor is going toknow if you just got off a bad
call.

Speaker 3 (03:07:43):
I need my guy either to go sit at the shop or go home
one of the two, I mean, I'lltell you the hardest thing I
ever had in my career was one ofmy best friends was ambushed
and killed in front of me.
I was the next shot.
Luckily his rifle jammed and itdidn't get me.
He got away with that night andtwo weeks later he's in the

(03:08:03):
back of my patrol, car arrested,telling me how happy it was
that my buddy was dead.
So, I can tell you self-control.

Speaker 1 (03:08:10):
It's tough, yeah, shit.
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, I, I don't even know howI would bravo for acting, not
acting on human instinct.

Speaker 3 (03:08:22):
Yeah, I mean that one took everything in me to the
point where even the, thedefense attorney later after
court for the suspect came up tome and shook my hand and uh
said it was like the mostprofessional thing he's ever
seen because he wouldn't be ableto do it himself damn yeah and
I give a lot of credit todefense attorneys.

Speaker 1 (03:08:40):
I know cops.
Culturally speaking, we don'treally care for defense
attorneys because we feel likethey're defending known
shitheads and a lot of timesthey are, but that is the peak
of the ultimate professional.
Everybody is entitled to adefense and you got to find
somebody that's able to separatethat.

(03:09:01):
And it's the same for doctors.
Doctors work on, you know,anybody doesn't matter if
they're bringing in a guy thatjust was part of an active
shooter and the cop shot him,they're going to try to save
their life and and they're notgoing to shortchange it.
So, yeah, yeah, that's crazy,um, but yeah, as far as getting
baited, um, I'm with you guys,like you shouldn't and, uh, like

(03:09:22):
banning says, I have, I don'tcare, I'm not I actually I make
it into a game yeah, most of thetime, if you guys say something
that we haven't heard before,we laugh at it.

Speaker 3 (03:09:32):
It's like oh, you're gonna hear that one, yeah, I, I,
before we laugh at it.

Speaker 2 (03:09:33):
It's like oh, you're going to hear that one.
Yeah, I, I have been called somany things but I've also, you
know, when you, when you takethose negative connotations of
what you've been called inuniform, I've been called so
many good things that completelyoutweigh of of somebody's
negativity.
So it's like when somebody wassaying something negative, I
knew for that fact that itwasn't for my actions right

(03:09:55):
there in front of them.
It was because of an encounterthat they had and I usually
would start off with the sameman or woman.
You know, I'm so sorry you feelthis way.
Would you like to talk about it?
No, you guys are a piece.
I'm sorry.
You feel that way.
I'm sorry for whatever happenedto you happened and you have
these things.
But if you need anything,here's my card and that's.
That's just the way you know,because a lot of these people

(03:10:19):
are upset at the badge of whathappened to them in the previous
, or a family member or a friend, and they're, they're taking
that hatred.
I get it.
As a Marine I was very upset ofwhat happened overseas to a lot
of my friends that if I want togo talk to them it's at a
gravesite.
I'm upset.
But if I see somebody from thesame region in our country

(03:10:44):
living the life of freedom inthe United States.
I don't go and take it out, butthat's just the way I was
raised.
It's not their fault that theirperson or their friend or
whatever.
I don't get upset at that.
It's just I was raiseddifferently.
So it's not the fault of thesepeople because of how they're
raised.
Let them say whatever they wantto say.

(03:11:05):
That's what's great aboutAmerica.
Let them get it out.
What did our parents tell us?
Sticks and stones may break mybones, you know, but let let
them say their shit.
Man, it doesn't bother me, Idon't give a shit.

Speaker 3 (03:11:18):
You want to call me whatever pig, it is what it is
yeah, I know, I know we got towrap up, but thank you guys for
your comments.

Speaker 1 (03:11:25):
I appreciate, I really appreciate that yep, um,
cody, high roller, said, andagain, cody's a, he does the
first amendment, audits andstuff like that.
But he said my approach is Ikeep it respectful until I'm
being disrespected or I feel asthough the person is being
harassed.
Like the time we got pulledover and the cop was taunting me
first led to an argument and,like I said, cody kind of

(03:11:49):
somewhat audited me, so it wascool, I had no problem, we had a
good conversation.
Like I said so yeah, I, it wascool, I had no problem, we had a
good conversation.
Like I said so yeah, I, I canuh talk to that.
But, um, show me the audit saidokay, real talk to cops when
donuts?
Uh, what's with the addiction toID?
It's crack baby, that's what itis.
Why is it one of the firstthings cops say I need your ID.
Um, it, it.

(03:12:10):
That's a bigger discussion fora later time.
We've covered that a lot onhere.
Um, show me the audits, if youcan uh message any of our social
media platforms, I preferInstagram If you could find us
at two cops, one donut.
Um, cause, I'd like to.
I'd like to get you on the show, I'd like to have you and we
can discuss that stuff.
That's part of the fun with ourplatform is we want guys like

(03:12:36):
you on here so we can have thesediscussions and we'll get you
on the next live and we'll talkabout that stuff, if you're down
and I'm going to give Stevesome credit here, and I know
I've made some comments in thepast.

Speaker 2 (03:12:46):
Hey, don't put his comment.
Here's the deal.
I think he only put it up oncetonight, the self-proclaimed
whatever.
I think steve is seeing thatour group or our panel that we
have here is not for the thinblue line or the whatever you
want to.
You know, state it, as we'renot an echo chamber for the long

(03:13:06):
.
You know, we're an echo chamberfor human, human beings on
earth.
That's.
That's the only echo chamber weare.
If you're done wrong, we'regoing to.
If you're done wrong, we'regoing to highlight it.
If you're done right, we'regoing to highlight it.
So, steve, I know you and Idon't know each other.
We're not connected, we're notbuddies.
Would I drink a beer in a barwith you?
Absolutely, because you're ahuman being, but for you not to

(03:13:28):
go off on those tonight?
I appreciate you for doing that.

Speaker 1 (03:13:31):
Yep, absolutely.
Yeah, we're.
We're over the three hour mark.
We like to try to stay at leastunder the three.
So we we've busted way over.
Um, so I appreciate everybody.
I mean we still got at least 40people showing right now.
That's a large classroom in myopinion.
So just the fact that we keptyour guys's curiosity this long
is is a testament to what we gotgoing on.

(03:13:53):
So we thank you.
I'm going to give one last shoutout.
Please, if you guys want tohelp us out financially, hit
those super stickers and allthat stuff.
Head over to ghost patch andtype in two cops, one donut.
You can help support us thatway.
We've got a little bit of swagthere with some of the patches
and coins that we have.
That's really all we have toraise money.
We don't, we don't have anyother real means of doing that.

(03:14:15):
So that's how you guys can helpus out.
If you can't do that, just hitlike, follow, subscribe what
we've been got, what we've hadgoing on, comment, do all that
stuff and just help us network,guys.
That's what we're trying to doto our audit guys tonight.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, police activity.
Thank you, police Activity.
Thank you to the Oath what washis name?

(03:14:35):
Again Forgetting that.
That's twice.
I've done that tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:14:41):
I can't remember it either.
Great channel though.

Speaker 1 (03:14:45):
I know Good channel, I know we've used it before.
I'm just all of a sudden.
Honor your oath, that's what itis.
Honor your oath.
That's a bad name, I can'tremember it.
Honor your oath, that's what itis.
Honor your oath, that is Honoryour oath.
Yeah, why can't I remember?
That's a bad name, I can'tremember it.
Honor your oath.
So remember that one.
And yeah, everybody else,thanks for being on tonight.
Thank you for all thediscussions and the chats.
Thank you to my mom for beingon tonight.

(03:15:06):
You guys got anything.

Speaker 2 (03:15:14):
Anything going on.
Jared, love your mom.
Man, love to see thatconnection.

Speaker 1 (03:15:16):
Love to see her on here every freaking week.
It's freaking awesomeappreciate it.

Speaker 3 (03:15:18):
Brother jared, you got anything?
Uh, no, I don't think so allright, I'm gonna end this.

Speaker 1 (03:15:21):
You two stick around.
Everybody else, thanks forjoining us tonight.

Speaker 6 (03:15:23):
Take it easy appreciate it y'all.

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