When Police Encounters Go Sideways: Officers Share Insights and Analysis

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Man, you can't help but dance itevery time you feel that guitar
come into play.
I love it, uh.
What's funny is no one evergets to see me dancing.
But now they can.
If you guys are just joining on.
We are on discord as well.
We have uh, well, I have.
We're just messing aroundtrying to figure out what our
cameras are capable of whilewe're live streaming on restream

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, which is what we're usingright now.
But we're also on our discordif you go into our lobby channel
.
So we are offering for thosethat you kind of get rewarded if
you go to our discord channeland you get different content
that we don't put out anywhereelse.
Um, it's kind of what we'redoing, but how are you doing
tonight Banning?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Doing good brother, and also that Discord is
probably a little bit less of afilter as well.
Yeah, we're filtered, but Iguess more open at times
depending.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, we might be able to type and say some cool
stuff on yeah, yeah, or that wecan't normally say we're going
to have Deadleg popping in.
I think Alan gonna have deadleg popping in.
I think alan has some familystuff tonight.
Um, we didn't hear anythingfrom trey or matt.
I think they both were busy.
Um, just the way it goes.
So, um, I'm just gonna go overto the chat real quick.
We got wade lucero in the house.

(01:56):
What's up, brother?
Uh, appreciate you being on.
Craig holcomb, david evanstonin the house.
Country Girl is over here.
Nice, nice.
I think I saw her say earlierwhere's everybody at?
They're in the Discord.
I'm telling you guys, theDiscord is where it's at.
If you are not a part of it,please jump on there.
Harrison Brock's on Tonight.

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I know you guys love to help usout.
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We're trying not to let themtake all your hard-earned money
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It's quicker, faster, easierbut it's in chat if that's what
you guys want to do.
But we will give shout-outs tothe people we are trying to get
to pay us, such as PeregrineRetro Rifle.
Which Banning?
Where's your Retro Rifle shirttonight?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's at the Cleaners it's at the cleaners.
He said it's at the cleaners.
Uh, mike cucumber in the house.
What'd you say?
I?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
just ordered a couple more.
Oh okay, nice, mike cucumber inthe house, thank you.
I saw him say something in thechat before we got started.
Said something like uh, I'm ina bad mood tonight, so here's
what he's gonna say uh, giles,uh, my cousin jumping on saying
ripple somebody also asked youif you upgraded the youtube.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
That was one of the questions in here oh, I did
upgrade the youtube.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
We should have no shenanigans tonight.
So, um, my cousin, uh, when Iwas in third grade I don't know
why, maybe it was fourth grade Ithought I really knew what the
world was about and I decided torename or give a new name.
I was trying to create slangfor a fart and I was so excited

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to tell my cousin that I thinkthe new fart word should be
ripple.
So every time you fart, you sayripple.
Oh, I rippled.
I don't know why.
I thought it was so funny.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
It's still funny to me, it can definitely create a
ripple effect.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It can.
Yes, it can, Mr Bill fold inthe house.
What's up?
Mr Bay Perry Lemley in there.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Whoever is not on the discord it's.
It's free to get on it.
Just you can do it on yourphone.
You can do it on your phone.
You can do it on your computer.
I'm looking at Eric's On myphone.
I'm in the Discord as well, soyou can see how ugly my office
setup is right now.
With the big old green screenin the background, eric's
freaking camera man.
Your camera is spot on, brother.
It looks really good.
It's a second view.

(04:57):
I believe you just put the linkout there for everybody to see.
Just click on that.
You're not going to get anyweird uh stuff going on.
It's a safe link to go to andplease, please, join us on
discord yep, jump on the discordy'all, it's bumping um, once
you get in there if you're astech deficient as I am and you
get signed up and do all thestuff, look for lobby voice chat

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.
Get in there and click on it.
You can go in and see whateverybody else is saying, right?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
now, mr billfold, I call farming flirting.
That makes sense oh shit soimmature, yeah, yeah.
That's why I say, oh my god,everybody's jumping on the
discord channel.
I can hear it ding, ding in myhead.
It's coming through, oh man, oh, I'm glad it's coming through.
Now you guys get to see a newangle.
Uh, welcome, welcome, we're,we're messing around, we're

(05:44):
having fun with it, trying togive you guys some behind the
scenes footage.
That's all.
Now.
You guys got kind of a and wewere on here prepping for the
show so you guys could have seenand heard everything we were
talking about building up to thestart of the live.
So that's one of the things I'mgoing to start offering, if we
can get banning, to get his shittogether.
Over there he's trying tryingto get his camera.
You can see we've got hissecond camera angle going.

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So that's one of the thingswe're trying to do.
Country girl goes ooh, you cansee Eric's profile, a little bit
of it.
More importantly, you can seethat Boba Fett helmet down there
looking awesome and ominous, sofun.
Topics, okay, topics.

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We were trying to get a specialguest tonight.
We're trying to get um.
I think he goes by TC.
Uh, it's the guy that, um, mattThornton.
He was on his podcast not toolong ago.
Um, my brain just cannot thinkof the name of that podcast.
All of a sudden it was reallylong name but name.
But we were trying to get himon and just the timing didn't
work out.
We both had scheduling issues soDavid said couldn't hear you,

(06:53):
eric, over there.
That's weird.
Everybody else said they couldhear me.
You guys are seriously great.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So it looks like you guys canhear me in discord.
I got a thumbs up from timearlier.
Tim, can you guys still hear meover there?
I'm waiting for tim to give mea thumbs up on discord.

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Can you guys hear me on discord?
Yeah, they can hear you.
Yeah, I heard my mom.
I heard my mom's voice rightthere.
I can hear you.
I know that michigan accent.
Anywhere it cracks me up.
Eric, did you like my timestamps on last week's video?

(07:36):
I didn't.
I I'd have to go back and look,listen y'all.
Here's the thing I got yelledat by somebody today, like you
didn't get back with me about myvideo.
If you guys knew how much I Iget back with people like my
message.
But I got instagram, tiktok,youtube, facebook, linkedin,

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discord, uh, what else?
We got clapper, uh, which thatdon't get me wrong.
That doesn't get me a whole lotof text, I don't get a whole
lot of message on there, butthere's a lot of freaking
platforms that we got to keeppaying attention to.
So if I don't get back with you, if I don't see your stuff, I'm
sorry.
You just got lost in the sauce.
There's a lot of people thatare constantly, so one of the

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things I always try to do is getback with the people that take
the time to message, and I'mlosing that battle quickly
because there's a there's.
We keep getting more and morepeople, which is a good problem
to have.
So um tim said I'm gettingechoes, so you are muted on
discord, so I can?
Oh, okay, because people arewatching on youtube as well.
That makes sense.

(08:42):
That makes that makes sense,okay.
I get it.
He said ask your mom to be yourassistant.
It's going to be hard for herto be my assistant when she's up
in Michigan and I'm down inTexas.
So keep trying to get her tomove down here and move in with
her son and I hope you have too.
She don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I can hear her on Discord saying and I would have
to tell you what to do, right?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Uh, oh, we got Tom Smith.
Tom, jump on your computer, bud, jump on, come talk to us
tonight hey, if you.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Hey, Tom, I can send you the link, brother, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, don't just, don't just lurk in the
background, tom, your mom'ssaying she's a one-man band.
Yeah, a one-handed band.
That's what she is.
People said, please, oh, mrbill, see, that's why I like mr
billfold.
He's our voice of reason outthere, which is crazy to say
sometimes.
But he said please havereasonable expectations.

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The video share channel is forus all to enjoy.
Thank you, thank you, um, butall right, let's, uh, let's,
let's have some discussions.
First and foremost, I'm gonnago to our instagram page and
we're gonna go through thesequickly rather than go through
the long drawn out portions ofour video.
So we're gonna show some of thevideos that we've posted on

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instagram and then discuss whatsome people's problems with
these videos have been.
So let me share my screen here.
We're gonna go to instagram.
Um, okay, let me see banning,if we can make this any biggie.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Sizer, god, I'm glad you're operating this and not me
.
I know Tom said he's out, maybenext time.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Of course he is, he's old.
That's what happens when youget old.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I can see his eyes right now, Like I got you.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
You got to jump on.
Let's talk shit back, tom.
That's right, all right, let meplay this.
Tell me talk shit back, tom.
That's right.
That's right, all right, let meplay this.
Tell me if you can hear it.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
It's a big bad one.
We're cleaning stuff out, takethat out.
You got to take that out.
We're not going to get bulliedaround by power-tripping cops.
He's asking the supervisor whatlaw we're breaking.
He's trying to find one.
You're not up the community.
What's your name and badgenumber?

Speaker 5 (11:02):
I give you a card stay over there, do not come
over here there's not one signthat says no fishing.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
There's not one sign that says no parking, not one
sign that says no anger fishingyou are allowed to do this, but
not from the bridge.
Do it on the bridge, sir.
I'm not gonna tell you againyou can't show me what line, so
he's threatening to take you tojail because he can't show me
what line if you continue fromthe bridge you will be arrested
by that statute?
What?

Speaker 8 (11:25):
does the?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
statute say so I'm going to pause it here.
Oh shit, I paused it right.
When it's things popping up, ifyou can see in the background,
one of the things I really wantyou guys to notice there's a
sidewalk and it's on both sidesof this bridge.
Okay, so I'm going to, I'mgoing to stop sharing this

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screen.
Um, stop sharing.
So one of the problems that Ihave with this all right,
obviously is what these kids aredoing is they're magnet fishing
.
And if you're not familiar withthese guys, um, they're
actually called, uh, like theoutdoor channel or something
like that.
You can find them.
I'm trying to find their actualtag.
I thought I put it on here.

(12:10):
Um, dang, I'm not seeing it.
I thought it would showsomewhere.
Profile.
Give me one second.
I want to make sure we givethese guys credit.
No, it's not on.

(12:31):
Oh, magnet fishing, underscorefind.
So that's their YouTube channel.
It's at magnet fishing,underscore find, and they're on
Outdoors Weekly on YouTube.
So, with these kids, what theydo is they go and they magnet
fish from bridges, docks,whatever it is, and they're just

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getting crap out of the river,and then they figured out a way
to monetize that, because peopleI personally, I like to watch
that stuff.
So I see them doing that allthe time.
Shout out to Steve Wallacewhat's up, buddy?
And what is really cool aboutwhat they do is they find
criminal things.
Every once in a while they'llfind a gun that's been used in a
crime or whatever.
But more importantly and moreoften is they are actually

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cleaning up the river.
They don't get this crap andthen throw it back because it's
not interesting.
They clean the rivers up and Ithink that's awesome.
So for me, seeing that and whatthey're doing, it drives me
insane that this officer, thisdeputy um, comes out and starts
flexing on these kids, tellingthem they can't be out there,

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and then finds an obscure lawthat doesn't fit um and and I
didn't let it come up.
But basically what that law wassaying was that you can't
obstruct the riverways andthat's not what they were doing.
And then, if you're going tobitch that they're fishing,
they're not actually fishing.
They're pulling junk out.
They're not fishing for fish.
They're not pulling fish out ofthe water.
So what do you think?
Banning?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, I'm the same way and I've seen a lot of those
videos as well.
I heard that two of them and Ineed to go back.
I got some emails last week Twoof those guys served.
One was an aggravated assaultwith one of the firearms that
was pulled out, and it was inEast Texas.
I've got to find that videoagain.
I'm talking back from the 80sno-transcript.

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It's just like somebody walkingon a beach with a metal detector
.
Right, so it's.
It's.
It's open to the public.
You're out there doing it.
Stop freaking, jacking with it.
If they call you out there,they know what one you got.
That's what we get paid to doas cops.
It may be something that maynot, but if you don't know what
it is, take it for evidence.

(14:50):
Go in there.
Let somebody with, uh,something good between their
ears take a look at it.
You may help solve something.
So just just take it.
And there's also been grenades.
There's been, uh, you know,firearms with ammo still inside
of it.
Obviously we got to be carefulwith that kind of thing, but
it's a lot better for these guyswith the magnets to pick that
up than some kid picking that upand freaking, shooting or
hurting themselves on it yeah,yeah, and you, you could tell

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that, like, I think he didn'texpect these kids, I think he
expected these kids to just moveon because he told them to, and
they're like fuck that, whywould we move?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
this is what we do, it we're, we're being a
community service and I don'tknow that they went out and said
it that way.
But I, I don't agree with him.
I don't agree with this cop.
Doing this is one of those.
If I, when I make a real, Itell him to do better, this is
one that they need to do better.
Uh, because he's just, this ispure ego.
Pissed off, police, you didn'tlisten to my authority and this

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is what gives us a bad name.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I mean it would be like me trying to help somebody
bleed out, not help them bleedout.
Somebody who's bleeding out anda nurse running up and go.
I'm a nurse, I'm a nurse, I canhelp.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Look, get back, get back.
I would never do that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I've had several medical professionals stop at my
major accidents when I workedin a larger metropolitan area
that were helpful.
They had go bags with them.
They had things to stop thebleed prior to ambulances
arriving on scene.
That's amazing that people dothat and that officers get on

(16:24):
kind of a power trip like thisis my scene.
Well, unless you're the doctor,the medic, the fireman,
everything else make surethey're safe and allow them to
come in.
They can come in and do that ifthey have the training.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Right.
And then Mike Cucumber asked doyou agree with those kids not
complying to the lawful order?
They did comply, but theyprotested.
That I agree with.
Now the problem is we're notlawyers and you're not lawyers
even when you are lawyers.
Here's the problem If the lawenforcement official interprets

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the law a certain way and youdisagree, you don't get to argue
on the side of the road.
That's just the way it is.
That's why I tell you guys,make your protests known for the
record, especially if they gota body cam or you're recording,
and then you fight it in court,I think, any time that you like.
If you were going to draw a linein the sand this is not the

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time to draw a line in the sandanyway Go fight it in court, and
I don't ever really agree withfighting it on the roadside.
Personally, I don't wantanybody to get hurt and I don't
want anything to bemisinterpreted.
That's why we have court.
We are not designed to fightwith our law enforcement
officials on the side of theroad.

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Some people don't like thatanswer.
They're like well, it'sfighting our liberties.
Yes, that's what court is for.
Why have it?
It's because laws are socomplicated that there's two
people on both sides that aregoing to put up amazing
arguments even though you'regoing to sit back and go.
That's idiotic.

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We already know that he's wrongmatter.
The defense attorney is goingto create this amazing argument
that makes sense, is logical andis reasonable.
So that's what they're therefor.
And when we try to do that onthe roadside, it doesn't make
sense.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And just FYI, I just sent Houston Gas the link, just
in case he has time to hop on aswell for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I don't want Houston on here.
He's not welcome on my showanymore.
I'm just kidding.
I love you, betty.
Um patrick, true love said Iwatched one where they found a
grenade, small bomb type thing.
Lady cop said that theycouldn't call the bomb squad
because they had too much to do.
Oh my god, that would beridiculous.
The one that I saw that y'allsent me somebody else sent me

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this, probably because I postedthis one is they find a car.
That's what they do.
They find missing people andthey go find vehicles underwater
.
They have like a whole diveteam that they do and they end
up finding a missing kid.
A teenager that had his vehiclewas in the water.
And when this cop arrives onscene it is like you just put

(19:04):
him out, like you did everythingwrong.
You shouldn't be like he wasdoing everything in his power to
get out of doing this job, toget out of doing anything for
this family, and did it in frontof the family, which really
pissed me off.
And he's like you don't evenknow it's the right car.
And he's like, sir, I alreadygot the plate, I already matched

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it.
And he's like, well, you don'tknow that.
He's like you don't even knowit's the right car.
And he's like sir, I alreadygot the plate, I already matched
it.
And he's like, well, you don'tknow that, he's in there.
We're not going to say thathe's in there.
He's like the windows arerolled up, like he didn't get
out, like he's trying to tellhim it was just, it was
unbelievable.
It was very, very callous andvery, very obvious to me as a
cop that he was just trying, hewas pissed off, he had to work.
So, yeah, it was, it was dumb.

(19:47):
Uh, show me the audits saidnever resist arrest.
That will not win.
Agree, I'm telling you guys,the guys that do the best are
the ones that kill with kindnessthe bugs.
Bunny approach kiss elmer footon the lips, don't kiss a cop on
the lips.
I'm just saying that's theapproach that works so much
better.
And I have seen judges justlook over at the cop and just

(20:09):
look at him with disdain becausethe person was so polite and
the cop was a dick the wholetime.
So it's just my experience.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, that's one thing cops do.
They don't get paid to beassholes out there.
Now there's a time and a placeto to raise a voice and a
priority one situation.
Obviously, there's also a timeto to switch to a different
demeanor, but there's times forthat.
When you're dealing with people, especially starting off,
you've got to bring your bestfoot forward.
I don't care how bad your day'sbeen as a cop.

(20:39):
You knew this before getting in.
Yeah, you may, we get it.
We've done it.
Eric still does it, we get it.
You may have left the worstscene of your life, but now it's
reset, you're on a new one.
You're going to bring that bestfoot forward.
That's in the entire city.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm laughing at.
Show me the audience.
He says I might try that.
A little kiss Stupid, kiss,stupid.
Um, so oh, unless you'rekissing alan, there you go.
No, poor buddy's not with ustonight.
Um shit, you got me off my mybrain.
I was gonna say something onthis.
Um yeah, fight in court, don'tfight on the side of the road.

(21:20):
Now there, okay.
So let me put this out there.
There is supreme court rulingsthat if your rights are being
violated and people like tobring this up all the time that
you can resist that when yourrights are being violated, the
problem is is you got to know100 percent?
And if you're wrong, oh shit,you're in a lot of trouble now.
So there's that.
Is that worth the risk to you?

(21:41):
I would say it's.
You know, I don't ever thinkthat's worth the risk.
Go to court, do it the civilway, do it the safe way.
That's the way I look at it.
But there are times like noknock warrants.
There have been people thathave been found innocent of
shooting at the police orshooting a cop because they did
a no knock warrant.
They bust through the door.
They think their house is beingfucking robbed and they just

(22:07):
shoot, so you got to be careful.
Um, that is, that is the timethat stuff like that will um,
you'll be defended, I think.
I think they just had one inhouston where that was actually
the case.
Um, this is the problem withlaw enforcement.
Like the courts are legitimate,I've seen too many instances of
malicious prosecution instantpeople being found guilty do not
fight in court.
So basically, your argument isthat it's more beneficial to

(22:29):
fight the cops out in public andthen not risk the courts.
I think the latter is still.
Even if your courts are bad,you're still going to have it
better than trying to fight withpolice out in the public.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
My whole thing is I believe the DAs and the judges
need to be able to count to thesame, to the same frigging
standard as as any other.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
First, responder out there.
For some reason, the publicreally likes to hold
accountability on policetransparency and accountability
with police, which is great, andI think you guys have made
policing hit great strides.
However, I don't see the sameoutcry for the places that put
you in jail and you don't get tosee what they're discussing

(23:12):
behind the scenes.
You don't get to see howthey're dismissing cases.
You don't get to see howthey're using their discretion
without giving any justificationto anybody.
Imagine if I showed up to arobbery and I'm just like no, I
don't feel like there's enoughhere, I'm just gonna use my
discretion, I'm not gonna do areport.
You guys are good.
Imagine that that's how somecases are are held by courts.

(23:35):
They're just like the da's likenah, there's not enough here,
I'm gonna dismiss this one ifyou, and they'll tell you if you
get more evidence, and thenwe'll we'll look at it again and
you're like bro, it's a fuckingslam dunk case.
What are you talking about?
Unreal fighting needs to bedefined.
Verbally, yes.
Physically, no, yeah, that'strue.

(23:56):
Verbally, like I said, makeyour protest known.
You can talk as much shit asyou want.
Fuck you cops.
I'm not going with you.
You can't tell me what to do asyou put your hands behind your
as you want.
Fuck you cops, I'm not goingwith you.
You can't tell me what to do asyou put your hands behind your
back and let them arrest you.
That can work that way.
Michael Riley said, as severalothers said, if fighting in
court is tough because I nowhave to pay a bunch of money in

(24:17):
court fees and take off workjust to prove my point, versus a
cop that is paid to do it, yeah, point.
Versus a cop that is paid to doit, yeah, you're, you're not
wrong.
That is a shitty position and II feel for you when you have to
do that, but it's no differentfor me if I have to go to court,
I still got it.
Not, I don't mean as for me asa cop.
I mean like if I go out and geta speeding ticket somewhere or

(24:38):
whatever which has happened, soit, uh, I still gotta go to
court.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Mr Belfold said Eric always has the
oversimplification down to anhour.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, it's not oversimplification, it's simply
truth.
Yeah, there's a lot of factorsbehind you having to go to court
, no one's denying that.
But again, paying a littlemoney or paying a lot of money
however you choose to do itversus fighting with a cop.

(25:12):
Where do you think you're goingto get if you fight on the side
of the road?
More than likely you're goingto get hemmed up, possibly hurt.
That's worth it to you versusgoing to court and spending
money.
Think about that same argument.
When a cop has to chasesomebody that stole something,
you guys are like it's justproperty, they should let it go.

(25:33):
So I'm going to turn that sameargument back at you.
All, it's just money, let it go.
Don't get hurt.
Don't let anybody else get hurt.
See how that works.
Look at what happened with theLong Island audit case Still
being maliciously prosecuted.
I look at that the same way aswhen you fought the Redcoats we

(25:59):
didn't go to the courts tosettle it.
Yeah, well, the problem is wedon't have that same issue and
if we're going to talk aboutoversimplifications, that's what
we're trying to do right here.
We don't have the redcoats.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
There's not mass, a ruler, aking just enslaving the people
and taking your well, they aretaking your money through taxes,

(26:21):
but it's not the same.
That's like the overuse ofpeople saying nazis drives me up
the wall.
Anyway, let's get to the nextvideo here.
Um, boom, let's share thescreen.
Share screen, instagram share.
We can't biggie size, Iapologize, we're unmuted.

(26:45):
And okay, let's watch this one.

Speaker 8 (26:51):
Oh, oh, I don't know if my camera got that.
Hello, yeah, no thanks, how areyou so?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
he's telling the car to pull over and pull over this
way, pull over this way.
You, oh, I said pull over thisway, pull over this way.
Oh shit, I said pull over thisway.
It takes off.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Did you see how whatever kind of car that was
I'm usually good at and Iwatched this once when you
posted it that dude hammers downlike he just robbed a bank.
After that happened I'm notsaying right or wrong on the
officer I've been frustrateddirecting traffic and I don't.

(27:28):
I'd never stood behind a treeand jokingly and did speed like
that and flag people over.
I mean hell, I probably wouldhave went around, not, not like
that.
But you know, you understandwhat I'm saying.
What was did we?
Do we figure out what that was?
Was that a flashlight?
Was it a laser?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
um, I, I believe it was his radar gun.
Okay, like every part of mebelieves that that was his radar
gun.
And then somebody told me thatin other countries they think
this is another country.
Um, just from the, the greenand blue checkered on the on the
bike and and all that.
And then the guy talking alsohad an accent, sure, um, I'm not
sure where it's at, because Isee palm trees Right, so it's

(28:05):
not England.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Well, I'm just thinking.
You know I always had topurchase my own flashlight.
I've never been to a departmentthat purchased one for me.
And you're looking at $200 fora really good patrol flashlight
and you're looking at $3,000 ifit's a radar up to and you can
even get up to $7,000 if it's alaser for speed.

(28:29):
So you're looking at a lot ofmoney either from the officer
doing it himself either way, heshouldn't be throwing an object
at a car or the taxpayer-fundedtraffic control device, if you
will, for speed measurement.
Doing that.
You know was it?
Was it damaged?
Uh, I think we need some, someanger management.
You're you, dude, you're,you're a solo guy out on that

(28:50):
street.
You're giving a direction.
You got a bike over there goesa lot faster than that car.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
If you feel the need to go after somebody, get off
your ass and go after him yeahfor me, and as people may think
this is harsh, but this one Iwould fire him, I him, I don't.
I don't now, don't get me wrong.
It's not that I don't thinkthere's ever.
I try to avoid always and never.
I'm not going to say there'snever a reason to do what he did

(29:16):
.
However, if I'm going to deducethings and use my
reasonableness here, you weren'tchasing anybody because you
didn't bother to get on yourbike.
You weren't on your bike tobegin with.
You were walking out in themiddle of a two or three lane
road I can't tell what that isand you're trying to conduct
traffic on foot with no othervehicles to help protect you.

(29:39):
No mark unit, no lights, no,nothing.
You're not after anybodyserious.
Marked unit, no lights, no,nothing.
That's that.
That's how I look at that.
So this car didn't listen toyou.
So we got some pissed offpolice, some ego, and you got
mad and chucked you.
If that little thing pissed youoff, what other stuff pisses

(29:59):
you off?
What happens if something bighappens around you?
You happen to catch a you knowpeeping tom, or something
serious Like how are you goingto act when the cameras aren't
around.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
How long has he been on?
What does his file look at?
What are the complaints are?
If they're there, why is hestill doing the same job?
That's that's what I look at.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, I, yeah, I definitely want to look at his
record and stuff like that.
But to me I just can't have aloose cannon on my department.
There's no way that that isnuts and you threw city
equipment.
You don't even own it, right,I'm guessing.
I'm guessing it's probably aradar gun.
That's what it looked like I.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I was directing traffic on a long, a large
highway called 820 in northtexas.
Uh, we had a construction goingzone going and then we had a
fatality accident.
This was years ago and I'mdirecting traffic and they
always teach you at least greatFTOs will teach you you never
turn your back to the trafficyou're directing.
So I screwed up.

(30:57):
I turned my back for a momentto get repositioned because a
whole bunch of cones wereknocked over.
So I ran and I was picking upcones and a Ford F3, I'm sorry,
a Ram 3500 with the big I callthem monkey ears.
Their mirrors are, you know,it's the standard mirrors but
you roll them out for if they'repulling.
A trailer was coming along andthe driver had a lot of

(31:19):
distraction a lot of flashinglights, cones, people were down
to about 25 miles an hour, maybeto 10 when they were passing me
and that mirror hit me in theback and 10 to 15 miles an hour
I don't care how big and bad youthink you are and I was wearing
a, a, a, you know, just athreat level three vest for
patrol.
It damn near knocked the windcompletely out of me.

(31:42):
So I learned a lesson realquick.
I'd probably been a cop for two, three years, thought I knew
everything.
You know young young mansyndrome.
Turn my back for a minute.
And that mirror got me.
And boy, I'm mad at the driver.
Sure For a second, but I, Idamn sure, didn't grab my
flashlight and throw it alongthe side of his truck.
He stopped, he had a lot ofthings going on and I was the

(32:02):
dumb ass that put myself out inthe traffic lane.
Thank God it wasn't worse thanwhat it was.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, I wanted to read.
Show me the audits.
He said okay, guys, I have aquestion for you.
If you were an officer and youwere given a court order to
remove someone from a house, ifyou get there and know that it
is their home for years, wouldyou execute If I knew it was
their home?
Well, I guess it depends.
What am I removing this personfor?
If it's their home, why would Iremove somebody that it's their

(32:31):
home?
There's a reason behind it, soI want to know what the reason
behind it is.
That's kind of a vague question, sir.
Is this guy wanted forsomething?
Is he?
You're muted there, ben Boy.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm smart.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, I can hear you Good, okay.
So just reading that over again, I'm not sure what Show Me the
Audit is talking about.
Are we talking about aneviction?
Yeah, are we talking about aprotective order because of
safety to a family member?
There's different roads.
This can travel down.
Different roads this can traveldown.

(33:04):
The reason I say eviction issometimes larger agencies will
have specialized units fromeither marshals or detectives,
depending on the size, that aregoing to go ahead and do what's
called a civil standby toexecute a civil order to remove
somebody from a home.
So I'm not really sure whichone he's talking about and I
would love to go into thedetails, at least my experience

(33:25):
on each one of those.
So if you can just betterdepiction notices what Perry
Limley said, you know and andgood, I was going to say I never
had to deal with that.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I was, I'm city cop.
I don't.
That's a, that's a deputysheriff thing.
I don't.
I've never had to deal withthat.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I've never thrown anybody out of their home and
everybody, welcome Houston Gas.
Those of you who got to seeHouston what two, three weeks
ago came in here and told us hisstory of heroicism and survival
and many, many surgeries andgetting shot in the face.
And my joke is that Houstoneats shotguns for breakfast and

(34:03):
that's what he tells his rookies.
So, houston, thank you forcoming on last minute, brother,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Hey man, Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Not a problem, brother.
You sound like you're talkingsuper far away from your mic.
Tap your mic for me, let me seeif you're coming through that
mic.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
There you go, there we go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Perfect.
This guy thinks he can justtalk 20 miles away and his mic's
going to pick him up.
I can do.
Show me the audit said theperson that wants to get to
court and get the eviction thatwill be executed within 24 hours
.
Yeah, I don't have anyexperience with that.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I do.
I do so even in the larger citythat I worked.
We would usually get when I saywe, our dispatch center would
be contacted by whatever countyconstable's office.
So in the state of Texas, stateof Louisiana I know New Mexico
does the same in many aspects.
I believe Oklahoma does as well, but I have to double check the

(35:05):
constable's office will contactus and constables are peace
officers just like policeofficers, deputies, state
troopers, texas Rangers,whatever.
But the way they do lawenforcement is a little bit
different.
So they're going to go out andexecute a lot of what's called
civil process and in thecounties that I've worked at
Houston's worked at Houston'shad a lot more exposure to this

(35:26):
up in the panhandle.
But we would assist them if wewould have time.
Maybe cover perimeter, meaningpatrol law enforcement come out
if they think that there's goingto be an issue.
But when the court issues thatthis person is being evicted out
and the judge has stamped it,says that he's got to be out by
five o'clock on this date, aconstable will come in and
basically stand there while theymove their stuff out and then

(35:47):
report back to the court,similar to a search warrant or
arrest warrant, on how it went,did they remove themselves and
they took all their propertywith them.
So there's no reason for themto return.
And that's what we deal withhere in Texas quite a bit on the
smaller rural areas.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yes, sir, we're getting a bunch of feedback from
uh somebody's mic.
I'm guessing it's uh houston's.
Your gain is too high there'sthat's weird.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I've never heard his mic do that yeah that's really,
really loud.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
We're having technical difficulties with
Houston over there.
Give us a second while we getthere, is that?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
better Still getting some feedback.
Brother, Do you have yourspeakers on your computer also
emitting the sound?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Is it coming?
No, how's that?
It might be your fan, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
No, it's not the fan.
He had that on the whole timeLast time.
I think is your.
Is your microphone projectingout like it did last time in the
back?

Speaker 7 (36:54):
office.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I mean, it's only coming through your, your
headphones, correct?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, that's it Interesting.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, do you have a controller on there that says
gain?
Yeah, I've got it.
Crank that bad boy down Wrongway.
Other way.
There we go, there we go.
Better, better A little bit.
Yeah.

(37:29):
Yeah, I think that's manageable.
Yeah, we can deal with that forsure.
He sounds like he's running anold school printer.
Hot box him, yeah, turn his fanoff.
No airflow, oh shit, yeah.
But a quick shout out to one ofour primary sponsors here, our

(37:49):
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And that is my guy that'sskipping the salesman.
That's going way off the chain.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
And my whole thing of looking at Peregrine just a lot
less time than you have theresearch that I've done, some of
the users that I know now thathave expressed to me their
thoughts on Peregrine, is liketaking a two-year officer that
becomes a detective early on inhis career and now he
essentially has 30 years ofexperience.
Just to put it in another.

(38:42):
I mean, it is Peregrine.
You know the website'speregrineio it'sa.
It's an amazing, amazingplatform for law enforcement.
For sure, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, and you guys know I wouldn't preach it if it
wasn't good.
Um, if it's a piece of shit, Iwill tell you it's a piece of
shit.
So when we do, uh, you know,like retro rifle shirts, I'm
telling you guys, you can keepit locked in your freaking
backpack and it won't wrinkle.
So that's a good thing for me.
I like that shit and it hidesguns on it.

(39:11):
Anyway, wade, crinkle up somealuminum foil, put it on the
computer for better reception.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I've never heard your mic sound like this.
This is kind of different.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I know, man, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, keep turning that gain down, there you go.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
That's better, there we go, all right.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah.
All you got to do is just beclose to that mic to talk to it.
But yeah, Awesome.
Mr Belfold said show me, I'msure the numbers get worse.
This is America.
The popular election ofsenators was the nail in our
well-built coffin.
Is Mr Billfold on a doomsdaytalk tonight?

(39:56):
Is his positivity?
Out.
I love Mr Billfold, but everyonce in a while he gets into his
just negative, negative,negative, negative which
conflicts with me, because I'malways positive to a fault.
Um, so it's, it's.
It's hard.
Sometimes when I see too muchnegative, I'm like y'all are
just doom and gloom and I'm notthat way.

(40:17):
I just don't think that waydoesn't work.
So, um, all right, let's get toanother video here.
Boom, boom, boom, all right.
Oh, this one will piss you thefuck off everybody.
It should, if it doesn'tsomething wrong with you.
All right, let me get to sharescreen.
Nope, that's the wrong one.

(40:38):
There we go.
Share screen.
Instagram Boom, there we go.
We are unmuted.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
And play.
We are unmuted and play.
Adam's friends thought he wasjust holding his breath, but
Stein realized something wasterribly wrong.
Without hesitation, he jumpedinto the pool, pulled Adam out
and performed emergency CPR,successfully reviving him.
But just as people beganpraising Stein as a hero, adam's
parents arrived.
Instead of thanking him, theycalled the police.
Officers soon showed up andarrested Stein on charges of

(41:23):
endangering a child.
According to Stanford police,surveillance footage showed the
boy underwater for almost fourfull minutes.
At the time, there were fewerthan eight kids in the pool and
Stein was the only lifeguard onduty.
Police argue that Stein shouldhave noticed sooner and acted
immediately when Adam firststarted drowning.
However, the video clearlyshowed Stein wasn't distracted
by his phone or talking toanyone.

(41:43):
When he finally spotted Adam,he immediately dove in, rescued
him and revived him through CPR.
Still, Stein was charged withreckless endangerment and risk
of injury to a minor.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
This hits home for me .
I know it hits home for Houstonas well.
Houston and I, we are really,and here's here.
Here's the reason, and I'mgoing to I'm going to take 15
seconds here.
When we worked for a smallpolice department up here in the
rural area, uh, the citymanager came to us and said our

(42:17):
city pool is not going to beable to operate this year.
I know you guys are our patrolsergeants, you're working,
you're overworked, you're doinga lot of things for the city.
However, here's a book and it'sabout twice the size of the
gold's law manual that lawenforcement gets.
You have less than two weeks tostudy this.
It's a proctored exam.

(42:38):
This is when COVID started, bythe way, and we need our city
pool operational for our kids tohave something to do, which
Houston and I agree with thecity that we both reside in does
not have much for kids to do.
Instead of going out andgetting in trouble, why not come
to a pool that has a heavylifeguard presence?
So not only do we have tobecome what's called a CPO

(43:01):
certified pool official, as apolice officer, we also had to
become registered lifeguards.
And imagine us in our stringbikinis sitting up at a
lifeguard tower, which we didn'tdo very often but we would fill
in when other lifeguards weresick or out.
But we had to have thatcertification and as a what was

(43:22):
it?
An instructor, I believe it wasin the lifeguard field to be
able to do the recertificationset cetera.
Now there's another gentlemanthat does it for our city, does
a great job at it, but there forabout three years we were
controlling all the chemicalsfor the city pool.
It's a very strict deal and itgoes with the lifeguard thing.
The lifeguard stuff is very,very strict to be able to get

(43:43):
that certification here in thestate of Texas and I'm sure it's
the same nationwide.
So Houston and I both did thatand I've heard three different
versions of this story.
Don't know which ones are true.
I would love to get moredetails on this, but I know the
kid and I'm speaking about thelifeguard did everything in his
power to save this youngperson's life and anytime we

(44:05):
hear something like this it'svery few and far between where
you see the lifeguard getcharges.
Only three or four that I'vefound in the history.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, I think.
Personally, I'm just I'mastounded by this one.
I cannot believe it To me.
I'm like here you have a kidthat went through all the steps
to do what he's supposed to do.
Banning's thinking of himselfin a speedo right now.
He is kind of cute.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
All the steps to do everything right, and the thing
that really makes me on thelifeguard side is he wasn't on
his phone.
He was paying attention, hejust didn't see him and he saved
the kid's life.
Now to me, you guys tell mewhat you think.
To me, I think that parentsshould not use lifeguards as

(45:00):
their personal babysitters.
They are there as a secondaryto help out.
I think that the parents arethe ones that should be held
liable for being negligent,knowing that your 5 year old
can't fucking swim.
Who leaves their 5 year oldalone in a pool, in a public
pool, and doesn't pay attentionto them?
That, to me, is insane.

(45:21):
I would never leave my 5 yearold, even if I knew my 5 year
old could swim.
I'm still going to keep an eyeon my five-year-old.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Well, I know, at the pool that we ran, we had a rule
in place that said nobody underthe age of 14 would be left
unattended.
And I will tell you the way wetrained our lifeguards and stuff
man.
They had to constantly scan thepool, looking at the kids and

(45:54):
watching everything.
And I don't care if there was ahundred kids or just the eight
kids that were in there.
The way kids jump around andplay and and just I don't know
kind of act, stupid in general.
Um, that's a.
There's a lot to see, man, andthe way kids are always under

(46:15):
and up and over and splashingdude, you're not always going to
see it.
I don't care if there's fourpeople or 400 in there.
It it just kind of is what itis.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yep, um, I'll address , uh, mike's.
He said the maliciousprosecution was initiated by the
police.
Maybe we don't know, becausesometimes what will happen is
you do your report, like thisguy was not arrested on scene,
this was after the fact.
So the officers will do thereport, that will go to a
detective, they'll put theirfindings up and and get the da's

(46:48):
referral, especially onsomething like this, because you
don't know, you don't know whatyou don't know, and if you got
parents pushing for charges, yougive it to the da.
You're really passing the buckbecause it's ultimately up to
them.
So on this one, I don't, I doubtit.
I doubt that the police werethe ones that initiated
prosecution, which cops don'tinitiate prosecution, by the way

(47:11):
.
So I just think we're playing aword game, is all.
So I understand what you mean,but the cops have to report, no
matter what.
You had an incident and you gotto complain it.
So, no matter what, you have todo a report and that report is
going to go to the DA and the DAis going to decide if they're
going to push through with that.
So again, quit using the police,because it's the lowest hanging

(47:38):
fruit.
You're being lazy and you'rebeing a pussy.
Sorry, mike, that's my idea.
On this one You're being apussy.
Why?
Because it's easy to go afterthe cops on this one.
When you need to be holding theprosecution accountable,
they're the ones that put thecharges through.
Quit going after the easytarget.
It's easy, it's simple to sayto the police I'm with you, I
will call the police out on badshit too.

(47:59):
But this wasn't handled thatway on scene.
This happened days later,probably weeks later.
So that's just my opinion.
Still love you, though Don'tget mad at me.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Hey, it looks like Tim used to be a lifeguard as
well.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I'm reading Brad Doerr's comment.
He said look at those awesomebeards.
Well, two out of three ain'tbad, don't worry, eric,
hopefully it will fill you.
Listen, listen, linda, listenbeards.
Well, two out of three ain'tbad, don't worry, eric,
hopefully it will fill.
Listen, listen, linda, listen.
I.
I'm pretty sure out ofeverybody on here, I'm probably
the hairiest man beast on thispanel.
I just make sure I shave everyday, because if I don't, that

(48:41):
shit will grow up up underneathmy eyebrow hey, brad, if you're
still watching, text me afriggin picture of your monster
beard.
I'll shoot it to eric and ericcan throw it up, because it's uh
pretty badass nice um tim said,as an ex lifeguard when you
scan the pool, splashing is whatyou want to see.
It's when the splashing stopsis when something's wrong.

(49:03):
Yeah see, I wouldn't know shitabout life.
I I honestly, I probablyavoided pools from after high
school until I just got my veryfirst pool.
I'm not a pool fan, to behonest.
I like using it for working out.
I do like lounging with the thefamily now.
But, um, dead leg, text me apicture of your monster comments

(49:25):
out of context.
It's a red door to a monstercomment.
I didn't realize.
Deadleg's back.
What's up, buddy?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I was about to dive him out and say hey, log back in
, man, Don't be just putting acomment on there, bringing it
out alive.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, so, deadleg, we're going to take a pause for
this for a second, on what wewere talking about.
But, um, oh, mike did respond.
I want to give it.
I call them pussies, though Idon't I want to give a chance to
call me names back.
Um, he said I hate prosecutorsand judges more.
We all have a responsibility todo the right thing, absolutely,
um, but uh, dead leg, I wantyou to give people an update of,

(50:03):
but first there may be peopleon here that don't know your
backstory, why we call you deadleg, so you can you tell them
real quick why we call you deadleg, and then the latest update
with you.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
It's a psychological trick.
Honest to God it is, and it'sso.
I don't feel less about myselfwhen we make fun of me.
So if I make fun of my legfirst and then you make fun of
it second, no one a copycat.
So no, no, no, boo boo, I'mbetter.
So that's, that's what it is.
It's a psychological thing, butreally I broke my leg a couple

(50:33):
years ago in 2017 really, reallybad.
And then I've got compartmentsyndrome, which you don't know
if that is.
It's swelling that causes theleg to almost amputate from
itself, because it causescirculation to stop to go past
where it's at.
So so I spent a month in thehospital.
Tomorrow will be surgery,procedure number 21 or 22.
And this one is to we're on atrial period right now.

(50:59):
I have a stimulator implantcurrently because I have
developed a condition calledcomplex regional pain syndrome.
It's basically the worst partsof the Bible.
It's pain that's unimaginable,undescribable.
It's to a point that back inthe 60s and 70s, they would
lobotomize people with it,because there was no way that
people could tell you the painthat you're going through and

(51:21):
then still be conscious.
It's just, you sound crazy allthe time.
I sound crazy all the time Isound crazy all the time with
the way the pain is.
But the stimulator I have nowis for my upper body Cause,
unfortunately the condition Ihave spreads and started in my
right leg, below the knee, andthen down to my left leg and now
my left arm and I'm getting myright arm.
So the stimulator trial is formy upper body and I currently

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have a Boston scientific one onme and that'll allow me to have
a lead for each arm and a leadfor each leg and then they're
able to, literally through acomputer, they're able to dial
in exactly where my stimulus is,how much it is, how little it
is, how much I feel, how much Idon't feel, and it's kind of
like a tens device on the onesthat you can feel and on the
higher frequencies that youcan't feel.

(52:04):
It's just running in thebackground, but what it'll allow
me to do is the constant painthat I have.
It takes that threshold, thatconstant level, and just lowers
it down just enough to where youwon't jump out a window,
doesn't make it go away, doesn'tstop it.
There's nothing for that,there's no cure.

(52:25):
You can't cut it off.
It's not like cancer.
So you can't cut it off.
You can't cut it out.
I can't give it to you so wecan kiss and hold hands.
No problem there.
Stupid, it spreads.
There's no cure.
It's like MS and it's veryindividualistic.
But it's not like MS and it'scompletely different.

(52:46):
It's a neurological condition,but that's where they have the
similarities.
That stopped.
It's very individualistic.
Some people have it and it goesinto remission and they never
have to deal with it again.
I unfortunately have a very,very aggressive form of it, and
that's just where I am.
So it'll let me have some of mylife back, because I've been
fighting for my upper body since2019 to try to get coverage.

(53:07):
So this has been the last fiveand a half six years I've been
trying to get a stimulator fromupper body, so this past week
I've been able to, like, dothings that I've not been able
to do for a long time, includingsleep.
Sleep was another huge thing,but yeah, yeah, pain, lots of
pain, so less pain.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
So that's what what I was curious with, with you
getting that device andcomparing where your pain level
was at prior to getting anydevices, then getting what you
had and now what you have.
Now, like give me okay, let'ssay, let's say, when you had
nothing that was a 10, then yougot your, your old one.
Where were you at with that?

Speaker 8 (53:44):
so if I'm if my day-to-day is a 10.
Where I'm at now, it's probablyfour.
Oh shit, okay yeah, that'smanageable that exactly it's.
It's manageable.
It's not to where you can like.
I'd like to be able to go likesomewhat back to full-time work
at some point.
I don't know, because the otherthing is, I'm just getting
older with time, so yeah, atsome point.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (54:05):
Cause the other thing is is I'm just getting older
with time, so at that pointthere's going to be a thing.
But it allowed me to do morethings so I can do like have a
regular sleep schedule.
Cause the first thing that Inoticed when I came home cause I
went to sleep when I from I hadthe procedure last Tuesday the
first one and I came home andwent to sleep and I slept all
the whole rest of the day untilthe next day, and then I woke up
and I I felt like you know,when you haven't gone to the gym

(54:29):
for for like a week, like youskipped the gym for a week, you
go on vacation, you come backand you hit it hard and then the
next day after that you're likeman, you're just so tired.
You're like you're sore buttired.
That's the way my entire upperbody felt, cause I just I
carried so much tension fromcarrying the pain, so I'm just
tense all the time.
So what it did is because thepaint, the lower the threshold

(54:51):
there, like it's let me relax,so like it's really messed with
my head the last couple of daysbecause we had some weather come
through and weather usuallyramps it up with the barometric
pressure changes and where, likeit would ramp up and get really
bad, it never got to the levelit normally does.
So my brain was like, okay,it's, there's, there's.

(55:12):
You're like it's like you're ona roller coaster and you're
just waiting for it to getreally bad.
And it just it doesn't getreally bad, so that the
anticipation is there.
So my brain's got to relearn,rethink about how I process the
pain, so I can relearn how I canmanage like day-to-day things
like that.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Gotcha.
Okay, julie said dead leg.
I tried a spinal cordstimulator but it didn't work
for me at all.
Crps, no sleep.
Yep.

Speaker 8 (55:39):
So when this comes, so what it is?
It's a little device and it'sgot a wire and comes up to
another little device that's onmy back and then that's got
wires and it's literally I havea hole in my spinal cord right
now with wires that go into it.
So what they'll do tomorrow isthey're going to pull all that
back out and then we'll make thedecision on what we're going to
do.
Go with a lot of people.

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There's a whole process to evenget to this point.
You have to go through apsychological evaluation because
with CRPS itself, it's known asthe suicide disease and it's
because either you can't takedealing with the pain, knowing
that there's no hope, or justthe people around you, cause
it's, it's, it's hard all thetime.
Like my wife asked what can Ido?
Nothing.

(56:20):
Yeah, give me, give me a highfive.
Yeah, cause there's reallythere's nothing that you,
there's really there's nothingthat you can do.
Like regular pain, medicationdoes not work the same way
because it's sympathetic,neurological pain.
So like regular pain and thethings that you compare pain to,
the things that you comparethem to, those things are like

(56:41):
an instant, like if I shut yourhand in the car door, if I chop
your arm off with a machete.
Those are a one-time thing,like you give birth to that
event and it's over.
This is just every day, all thetime, and it just never stops.
What this does is just lowersit down and lets you sleep,
because now tomorrow night it'sgoing to be sucky, going back to
crap.
Sleep again for a couple weeksuntil we figure out when we're

(57:02):
going to do the implant, butknowing that there's relief in
the future.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, and maybe they can fine-tune it and get you
down a little bit more.

Speaker 8 (57:11):
That's what the guys with Boston Scientific were able
to do.
They literally had because it'sBluetooth.
So I have a Boston Scientificphone that they have their
little app on so they can send aprogram to my phone and then
the phone can update the app andthen they can update so the

(57:33):
longest like I can explain tothem what's going on, what we
want to change.
They get on the computer, typeit in and say hang on, let's see
the signal.
All right, your phone shouldhave it.
All right, send it to yourthing.
It's literally that fast.
And then when we're live andwe're like the computer is
hooked up to me, they can sendit like live.
So last Thursday is when theyhooked me up to the Boston one

(57:54):
and they literally walked uplike a two-inch wide, two or
three-inch wide diameter, likesensation.
But they walked it up my arm,where I wanted it the most, and
the sensation where it hurts themost or where the sensations it
the most, and the sensationwhere I, where it hurts the most
or where the sensations hurtthe most that they're able to
target, like those specificareas.
I'm like that's prettyincredible, damn.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Um, I'm going to read Jay's.
Uh, jay Walker said love thepodcast, but on patrol a year
and love getting y'all'sthoughts and advice.
I even listen on them slowCounty nights in patrol.
Um, I think that's what hemeant to say.
Appreciate that, brother Truly.
I hope the advice we give youis working for you and all that.

(58:36):
So I appreciate that Banning.
He said county nights, sir,what do you got for him?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
For county night.
I mean man, I mean countynights can either be you're
frigging busy that you can't seestraight and you're doing
everything by yourself.
Maybe you have one other personI know Houston can relate on
that or it may be the mostdraining thing on you to where
you're pulling up to a fence andtalking to a cow.

(59:03):
There's nothing going on,there's no traffic coming
through, depending on how manycities you have in your county.
You're going to patrol and lookfor burglars in process,
progress, etc.
It can either be just likeanybody on patrol.
You can either have that deadnight or you can have that.
Your freaking call screen isjust completely loaded up with a
whole bunch of things.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
For the record, I never talk to cows.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Wade Lucero said United States Air Force does
have weak beards, but recently Iwas training at range and shot
with a United States Air Forcespec forces.
What a pro mindset.
Hey, I guess your beard doesn'tmatter when you're getting the
job done.
Huh, fair enough.
I don't know what's up with allthe uh shit talking about my

(59:52):
beard tonight, you know hey, uhthree.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I just sent three pictures to you from brad dory
said.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Publicly share them yeah, um, I don't have a way to
share them from my phonecurrently, sir, so, uh, you're
gonna have to screen share fromyour device over there, banning,
if that's what you want to do.
Um, but all right, let's get touh, another video here.
Um, okay, we talked about the.

(01:00:18):
Uh, yeah, we already did thatguy and uh, what was this?
oh, there you go now, that's abeard that's a nice standby to
standby, yeah I'm gonna say heused the straightener on that
beard with maybe some steam,which causes manhood in the
question.
See, that's a regular beard.

(01:00:39):
That's a guy that woke up, combthat thing down and that was it
.
That other beard you showed,yeah, that had some soul glow in
it or something.
He was he.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
There was chemicals in that and those are just, uh,
american roses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
He's standing yeah, right, yeah, yeah, they sure do
look like it.
T ward jumped out.
He said one person says man,it's quiet on the radio and the
night is shot oh god, you're noteven wrong, I know right.
All right, let's uh share thescreen here, uh share screen.
I'm just in an instagram moodtonight.

(01:01:14):
Y'all, don't worry, we're gonnaget youtube ones on here as
well.
So, all right, let's uh, let'sgo.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Okay, yeah, I got one slow stop, cassie, south of
margaret high attack HenryLincoln Edwards 6-0.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
7-0.
Still slow rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Okay, I just want to point out that he passed a very
lovely place to pull over just asecond ago.
Now he's passing another lovelyplace.
I cannot say that Lovely placeto pull over here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
He continues.
More places up here.
He continues.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
More places up here.
He decides to take a left intothis driveway which ends up
leading Guess where that leadsto.
Guys Home, His apartmentcomplex.
And guess who's waiting for himoutside?
Family.
I don't know if it's his mom orwhatever, but that's family
standing there to the side, sowe'll keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:02:07):
Turn the car off.
Turn the car off, the key's outthe window.
Hey stay back, stay back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
So the initial stop was for expired registration,
which all of us have to have.
Okay, so it wasn't for bullshitnecessarily.
Typically, you want people tohave an updated registration so
their insurance is in effectproperly and normally their
insurance ain't going to coverthem if their registration isn't
up to date.
So these are things to consider.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
We're done.
You're going to open the carfrom the outside and step out
face forward.
You're under arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
So he calls it out right away.
You need to step out, you'reunder arrest.
You're under arrest.
So he calls it out right away.
You need to step out, you'reunder arrest Now.
I'll give this officer credit,because we see too many younger
officers or inexperiencedofficers, because you could be
an old-as-fuck officer and stillbe inexperienced and they'll
get in that oodle of show meyour hand, step out of the
vehicle, show me your hand.
And they're not listening,they're not doing anything.
This guy's listening, listening.

(01:03:12):
He's having a discussion withthis guy.
He's not demeaning him, he'snot doing any of that.
So I was making these pointsabout this video and people were
giving me should know he wasrude, he shouldn't have been
that way and, donna, it was fora traffic offense and he's
treating him this way.
He was trying to pull overwhere it was safe for him.
No, I disagree on this one.

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
So he keeps doing the well, why am I under arrest?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I mean, obviously you know why you're under arrest,
dude, you just didn't pull overand now you want a supervisor.

(01:03:44):
Like that's going to changeanything.
This is another thing thatdrives me nuts, like what do you
think is magically going tohappen when that supervisor
arrives?
What do you think is going tochange?
I understand the need for asupervisor when it's necessary.
You bet that makes sense whenthere's a reason.
But right now you don't have areason, you're just doing it to
stall.
Reason, but right now you don'thave a reason, you're just

(01:04:04):
doing it to stall.
So here we have an officerthat's not calling you all sorts
of MFs this MF that he's tryingto talk you out of the car Very
cordially, considering youfailed to stop and he's doing
like this weird hybrid felonystop.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Step out and face forward.
That don't matter, he's coming.
Trust me, he's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And he keeps saying I want a supervisor.
And he's trying to tell themtrust me, he's coming.
Did you just hear my dog howl?
I did, I did.
He's right outside my freakingguest room howling Step out of
face forward.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
No, it's not, you're under arrest.
Step out of face forward.
I don't face forward.
No, it's not, you're underarrest.
Step out and face forward.
No, that's not.
You have to pull over when youturn the lights on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
So he says I don't have to pull over until I feel
safe.
That's not true.
Now, if you can articulate, youdidn't pull over because there
was a hazard and it makes sense.
Yes, and I've seen people dothat.
I think most cops understand.
When you turn your hazards on,there's like there may be
something right there.
But where it becomesunreasonable is when you don't

(01:05:12):
pull over to the opportunitieswhere there are safe places and
you just keep going and likewhat he was doing.
He drove all the way to hisapartment complex.
That's not reasonable anymore.
If you're on a blind turn, ifyou're on a narrow bridge,
wherever that makes sense, thatmakes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
You know, there's been two times when I've been in
pursuits in my career that I'vehad people call 911 to verify
that it was real law enforcementbehind them and I have zero
issues with that.
Dispatch was real quick to comeover the radio to tell me to go
to a talk channel.
Hey, there's a female driving acar, uh, states that your

(01:05:52):
lights look different than themost law enforcement.
That she and in one time when Iwas a canine I had a slick top
unit, uh with with uh, a littlebit less is visible, uh signage
on the side of it and she wasconcerned.
So I immediately turned mysiren off.
I mean literally, she called911 immediately.
So she tried to communicatelike is this?

(01:06:13):
Dispatch was like yes, it's anofficer.
And then she came back and saidI'm going to pull over to
Kroger over here on Dentonhighway and pulled over and and
and and did the right thing.
But she communicated withdispatch because there was a lot
of things in the media backthen 2005, 2006 timeframe that
there was some illicit thingsgoing on with non-law

(01:06:34):
enforcement making stops.
So I applauded her for that.
She definitely didn't run, shedidn't increase speed, turned on
hazards, called 911.
I don't know if this is a copbehind me.
I don't remember doing anythingwrong, so I applauded her for
that.
And it was literally, like, Ithink, a license plate light
that burned out, and it's gonnabe one of those, you know, go up
there.
Hey, did you realize yourlicense plate light?

(01:06:54):
No, Okay, great, have a goodnight.
Here's your stuff back, youknow, and you're onto the next.
But she did the right thing.
She she verified before shestopped, because if I was not a
law enforcement officer,something bad could have
happened.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Yeah, I'm posting this on the chat as well, as I'm
going to say it out loudFleeing and eluding.
Fleeing and eluding is the actof a driver intentionally
failing to stop their vehiclewhen signaled to do so by a
police officer.
Now those definitions are goingto vary state to state, but

(01:07:31):
that's the basic premise, theblanket statement of what Fleen
and alluding.
So, as Mike is trying to say,this cop messed up.
They're like Mike, like bro,like there's certain times when
100% we're with you, like bro,there's certain times when 100%
we're with you.
But even most of the people,wade Lucero, who will tell me
straight up, I'm out of myrocker when we're wrong, thinks

(01:07:55):
that this cop did a good job.
And yeah, there's no way,there's nothing that you're
going to say to make me thinkthat this cop messed up and that
that's not fleeing Just becausehe didn't take off at a high
speed away from him.
He was instructed to pull overby those lights and he failed to
do so.
And even when asked by the cop,like, why aren't you pulling?

(01:08:17):
I won't pull over where it'ssafe.
No, like you fled, you did notpull over when you were
instructed to.
That's the agreement you gotwhen you got your license.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
Well, not only that, now they're stopped and you have
a police officer pointing aloaded weapon at you, giving you
very clear instructions, andyou might say, well, he's
yelling at him, he's talkingloudly.
There's a difference between meyelling at you and talking
loudly.
Talking loudly he's not.
There's difference between meyelling at you and talking

(01:08:51):
loudly, because if you ever goto a fast food restaurant, try
to talk to someone at the window.
You're right there beside themat the window.
Your car engine, the fansrunning, you got your exhaust,
you got all kinds of theseoutside noises.
Now roll your windows up.
There's a lot of noisecancellation.
That happens between you know,inside of vehicles and stuff.
So when the police officersthere, it might seem like
they're just yeah but they'rejust talking loud enough so the

(01:09:14):
person on the other end of thefirearm could say hey, these are
instructions.
These are very clearinstructions on what I want you
to do.
So I turned my lights on andthen followed you while you had
your four ways on for how many,how long, and then, once you
stopped, I've given you clear,very clear verbal commands that
you want to debate.
Secondly, there's no judge atall present at all.

(01:09:36):
So there's nothing that you'regoing to debate on the side of
the road that you're going toget across.
You might plead your case.
You might say this is why I'mdoing this or this is why I did
this, but if the officer isgoing to give you a ticket,
you're not going to get into adebate on the side of the road
to get out of the ticket.
There's nothing that you cansay or do on the side of the

(01:09:57):
road that will get you out ofthe ticket, because that's the
police officer, that's not thejudge.
Oh my God.
You plead your case to thejudge.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
There's some guys you were doing like you guys do, so
good most of the time.
But the arguments tonight areout of control.
You might as well do a pitmaneuver like you did the
pregnant lady.
He didn't do that, as a matterof fact.
There was no, there was noforce used on this one.
So that's a terrible argument.
We're not talking about thatother instance, we're talking
about this one.

(01:10:23):
And then Brandar 86, talkingabout that other instance.
We're talking about this one.
And then Brandar 86.
They stopped.
So how is that fleeing?
That's like saying a personthat ran from the cops and then
runs out of steam and comes to astop because he's gassed out,
well, he stopped.
How is that fleeing?
The guy didn't stop for blocksand blocks and blocks where
there were plenty ofopportunities to stop.

(01:10:44):
That is fleeing.
So that is a terrible argument.
Too many nuances to argue bothsides.
Get the fuck out of here.
No, there's not.
There's not nuances, there'sthe ability to argue things.
We can do that about anything.
I can do that about Banning'sclothes right now.
They blend in.

(01:11:05):
I don't think you should bewearing them.
They're terrible and is gonnago.
What are you talking about?
They look great, he looks goodand green.
That was why he was a deputy.
We can make nuanced argumentsabout anything.
That is a stupid argument, andwhen I got mr billfold defending
my argument, that tells yousomething about what you're

(01:11:28):
saying.
Look, I'm tired of this copbullshit too, mike, but I won't
condemn an officer who does theright thing.
See, and Mr Billfold has thereputation and the credibility
and has earned his spot on hereto debate things with us because
he's fair, even in balance, anddoesn't let his emotions take

(01:11:50):
over, uh, his logic andreasoning most of the time.
Sometimes he gets really hyped.
He does get a little hyped upsometime.
We gotta mute him, but he tellsus to do that because he sees
it coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
So no, and whenever you, whenever you see the lights
come on it's not like a game oftag Whenever you make it back
home, you're safe.
It's just not.
Yeah, yeah, you're not going todo the best you can.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Dig in a bigger hole.
Gassed out is different fromintentionally stopping.
No, it's not.
It's not.
You made the choice not to stop.
You kept going despite knowinghe was behind you and then came
to a stop.
Whether you chose to, you stillchoose to do it because when
you get gassed out, you canstill walk, you can still do

(01:12:35):
things.
No, he chose to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
And I appreciate all the comments on here and I was
reading that one that Mike justwrote underneath the
constitutional country girl, thetop one there underneath the
constitutional country girl, butfor the top one there, um, you
know, like I, I I explained oneof my deals on there when an
officer lights you up, okay, I'mgoing to.
I'm going to speak on 95% ofthem they're ready for you to

(01:13:00):
stop right now.
If you fail to stop, dependingon the distance, everything's
going to be.
It's a case-by-case basis onwhen that turns into failing to
yield with a vehicle, that'swhen it can get dangerous.
But just know that nine timesout of 10, when an officer
lights you up, they're ready foryou to stop and yield to the

(01:13:22):
right right then in most states,if you fail to do so, it can
meet the elements of the offenseof failing to yield with a
vehicle, which in the state ofTexas that's going to be a state
jail felony right off theget-go.
So try to stop and yield.
If you have questions, commentsor concerns during that stop,
get on that phone and call 911.
You know, because if you're notyielding they're going to go

(01:13:43):
into what's called a felony stop, like we were seeing on the
video.
You can get on the phone andcall 911 and do that Absolutely.
I just explained the one that Iwas saying.
I had a couple of them duringmy career.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, mike said you literally have the right to find
a place you find safe.
He should have called dispatchto let the officer know that the
citizen had an armed manfollowing him, unwilling,
willing to kill a man.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
now I'll do I'll destroy this argument right now.
Okay, all right.
Okay, so we'll get rid of theall right, he just didn't stop.
For however long we'll get ridof that, we'll take that out of
the question.
Now he has stopped, the policeofficer is giving him very clear
verbal instructions of what todo and instead of doing those,

(01:14:28):
he's in an argument with theofficer.
You lose any intent, you loseany steam, you lose any argument
when you go.
I was just looking for a safeplace to stop.
If we can have a discussion,it's safe.
Now you need to follow myinstructions.
Get out of the car.
It's safe Now.
You need to follow myinstructions.

(01:14:48):
Get out of the car.
There's nothing here that youget to debate.
Those lights come on.
You slow down and pull over.
You either slow down and pullover because you're getting
pulled over, or you slow downand pull over because that
police vehicle or that firetruck or the ambulance, that
wee-woo, has someplace to go toget to do something important.
You're not that importantbecause you don't have the
wee-woos to get people out ofyour way.
They do so when they turn thoseon.

(01:15:10):
You're required by law in everystate to yield to emergency
vehicles, including slowing downand pulling over.
Now, when you slow down andpull over, if the wee-woo behind
you slows down and pulls overwith, you, continue to slow down
and pull over and we're goingto continue this until we stop.
Where the argument for this onegoes out is when he goes.

(01:15:31):
I was looking for a safe place.
Okay, when you have your momstanding there on the side of
the road.
First of all, if you're a grownadult and you have to have your
mom.
I'm going to check your man cardthere, but there's no argument
here that this person wasn'teluding.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to checkyour man card there, but there's
no argument here that thisperson wasn't alluding.
No, he clearly was alluding.

(01:15:53):
They turned their four-wayflashes on.
Why did you turn your four-wayflashes on?
Because I seen the vehiclebehind me.
Okay, so you seen the vehiclebehind you with the flashy
lights on and you didn't call911 and you didn't stop.
And when you did stop, yourealized that it was a uniformed
police officer giving youverbal instructions and you
still failed to comply.
When more uniformed policeofficers show up, you still

(01:16:15):
failed to comply.
You don't get to argue out ofthis.
Take your ticket, go to court.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, yeah, and OK, I'll speak for Texas, because
that's the only thing I canspeak for.
But in you tell me, deadleg,you were Colorado.
The law states that when anemergency vehicle is trying to
pull you over, that you have topull over to the immediate right
at the most immediate timepossible, and then that that's

(01:16:50):
just how a traffic stop goes.
Now I'm with you.
If it's an unsafe spot, I wouldtell people.
I'll even try to get over theloudspeaker.
If I see them about to pullover, I'm like no, no, no, no,
keep going, that's a bad spot,or I'll get up to the vehicle.
And I've had a car tell me Idon't feel safe right here and I
said all right, let's go off atthe next exit.
I'll follow you to the nextexit.

(01:17:10):
I'm going to have my lights on.
Don't let that fool you, youknow, don't let that mess with
you.
I'm going to follow you to thenext exit and just pull over to
the side right there.
So we'll go there.
Now I've try to run from me oranything doing that.
But people I think it was,maybe it was Brandar said that
he didn't like the word fleeing,I don't know what else you want

(01:17:34):
to call it.
It's failure to stop.
He's fleeing.
It's what it is.
He's leaving the scene where itshould have been and he
continues to go.
I don't know semantics onsomething stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
The guy's in the wrong 100, he's in the wrong all
the way, he's in the wrong andin most states and I don't I
know people don't want to hearthis, but when that officer
activates red and blue lights,or blue and blue or red,
whatever state you're in, someairports have weird colors when
they initiate those lights.
Okay, and don't take this outof context to people that are
listening when you come to astop, your vehicle, you,

(01:18:14):
everything in motion has come toa halt.
You are technically underarrest until that traffic stop
is over.
Now you can Google this.
Don't come and be thiscourtside attorney on this.
You're technically under arrest.
So you're either going to go tojail for whatever crime that you
committed in that presencereview of the officer You're
going to be released on asummons, citation ticket,
whatever you want to call it,with your court date in mind, or

(01:18:36):
you're going to be given averbal warning to go on as you
please, and that's that's whatthe law is.
So when you're instructed toand I hate those I get it.
Those are big words,no-transcript over some things

(01:19:11):
that I wish people would nothave run for, and I worked for
agencies that had a strictpursuit policy.
So either the initiatingofficer stopping it is
articulating a drunk driver, astolen vehicle, a felony other
than the evading the evadingwith a vehicle.
So there's a lot of rules inplace and they're getting

(01:19:33):
stricter and stricter on whatofficers pursue for.
But as simple as that.
If you see red and blues behindyou and you verify it's a
police car, you pull over, gothrough it and then have your
day in court.
I know that's not going tosettle most of the audience, but
it is what it is on that andyou just do that and bring your,
of course, video record.

(01:19:54):
If you want to video recordstuff, video record it, I
suggest doing that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, Mike, sorry bud youhaven't earned enough
credibility with me for me toeven buy that.

(01:20:15):
Unless it's the state ofCalifornia, then I believe you
100%.
That's the only time I'llbelieve that District attorneys
were saying it's okay to pullover in a safe place and law
enforcement is very lenient inthe fact of if you're on a
county road and they light youup, you might be waiting for a
pull-off to where there's a citystreet.
That all goes in the effect ofwell-trained officers that are

(01:20:37):
out there.
Okay, they're waiting to pullover.
They think it's not safe here.
We get that Meaning we in asense of the law enforcement
officers out there.
But when you're passing goodlocations and you keep going,
you either increase your speed,you turn your lights off, then
you're, you know, the lawenforcement officers start to
put you know things together andit's more than likely going to
be evading.

(01:20:57):
Like I said, that's a case bycase scenario yep, and mr
billfold nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
He said these games of semantics are better used in
arguments on jurisprudence.
We are getting deep in theweeds over how folks feel about
the word flee.
Yes, absolutely Like I tried tosay, it doesn't matter.
Say whatever fucking word youwant to fill the blank with.
It was wrong.
He was in the wrong, that's it.
That's all we're saying.
That's it.
Fucking relax.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
That's all we're saying that's it Fucking relax.
There was a comment earlierthat said well, his driving
didn't indicate that he wasfleeing.
Well you know, yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
He didn't stop.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
He didn't stop.
It would probably be adifferent story if an officer
was investigating a drunk driveror something like that way.
That guy was driving, he wasprobably okay, probably wasn't
intoxicated or anything likethat, but he didn't stop yeah,
we still have more to watch, sowe haven't even got there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
So let's get there.
Let's, because I want you tosee them.
Take them out of the car, likeyou guys are getting all
butthurt over this and youhaven't even seen.
I mean, so far he's donenothing to this man other than
have a discussion with himduring a felony stop, which
doesn't happen, by the way,never happens.
Most of the time, you see theseofficers get stuck in an OODA

(01:22:21):
loop and they're just like getout of the fucking car get out
of the fucking car.
Get out of the fucking car.
Get out of the fucking car andyou're just like holy shit,
breathe guy.

Speaker 7 (01:22:31):
This guy's talking through it.
It's on.
Oh my gosh, dude, hey, you keeplethal coverage.
We're going to have to come upand rip him out.
He's not coming out.
You're not going to listen tous.
You keep your hands out thatwindow.
If you don, you come out.
Because I wanted to wait foryour supervisor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I asked for the so he got him right there again.
Why didn't you come out?
Because I didn't want to.
I wanted to wait for yoursupervisor.
That it's not a legal defense,sorry, yeah, like you literally
just ran it on yourself.
Dude.
Plead the fifth.
All right, let's go down thelist of things.

(01:23:13):
It's beautiful.
Take him under arrest, I loveit.
So, for me, part of my problemwith that is like all of that
for an officer that was aspolite as you can be, didn't
demean him, didn't use force,and we're all getting worked up

(01:23:34):
over the fact about the wordfleeing.
This guy failed to stop.
Okay, mike, oh Mike, I like itbecause Mike this is how I know
Mike's our guy, despite us goingback and forth, you know, it
doesn't matter, I like this mike.
That is that's respect, brother, I like that.

(01:23:55):
That's.
That's very mr billfold like.
I will give you that.
Um, appreciate it.
Thank you for the super chatand he goes.
I'll show you eluding.
So, um, he said he did nothing.
He pointed a gun at him.
Yeah, he fucking pointed a gunat him.
You don't know him from adamdude.
Do you know how many timesstops like this have occurred
while they're building up theconfidence and as soon as that

(01:24:16):
car gets stopped, they come outshooting.
We got somebody in the houseright now, mike, that decided to
go up to a door and got blastedby a shotgun from the other
side.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, and he's here to talk to us about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yeah, and he's still here to talk to us about it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
I'm all for those unknown situations like that,
the officer using the force thathe used because A it's
protecting him and at the end ofthe, we all got to go home and
at the end of the day,truthfully, we want everybody to
go home.
We want everybody to go home,even if we're stopping them or

(01:24:56):
arresting them or whatever.
You know, we want them to beable to bail out, go home and be
safe.
B well, getting shot, just kindof shitty That'll ruin your day
.
I mean it really will it's notthe most pleasant thing on the

(01:25:20):
planet.
Just saying I mean, and the waythis officer handled things,
dude, you really couldn't askfor more professionalism.
I can honestly say I've beeninvolved in several felony stops
and out of all of them that Iwas ever in, probably not one of

(01:25:43):
them was ever like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Not one ever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
This is where we start going down the stupid
rabbit hole.
Mike's asking all over whatcrime Exactly?
Here's my problem with thatmindset Did the police make the
crimes?
He didn't make the crime.
Two what do you do about crime?

(01:26:11):
That argument would mean theonly other option is for cops to
try to enforce a law, and theminute somebody doesn't agree
with it they have to let it go,no matter what crime it is.
This guy's registration wasexpired so he was doing a
traffic stop because that's thelaw.
You have to follow it.
I've got to follow it, so thisguy's got to follow it.

(01:26:33):
Nobody made that choice butthat driver, and you're trying
to flip that decision that thisman made to do something we all
have to do in the United Statesdrive with an updated
registration to have insurance.
You're saying that we all haveto do in the United States.
Drive with an updatedregistration to have insurance.
You're saying that we all needto eat that because this guy
chose not to and he's calling itan immoral law.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
So I'm wondering where Mike travels to from time
to time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yeah, like that.
Immoral or not, I don't makethe law on that stuff.
That's all what it is.
It's not against theConstitution, so it's a law.
It's what it is Now.
If it's against theConstitution, I've got a huge
problem with that.
I'm not going to enforce that.
If somebody makes the law andsays you've got to go take their

(01:27:22):
guns away.
Guess what I'm not going to do?

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
The other side of that coin is you have people
driving around with expiredregistration.
They know that they're gonnaget away with it and you get
people complaining like why am Ipaying for my registration
where dave down the street's gotnine cars, none of them are up
to date?
Why am I doing it when he hasto?

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
yep, yep.
And now, mike, you're justspeculating and talking out of
your ass, because I can list ahundred fucking times that I
have denied something that wasimmoral just because it was
something that was illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
This is not somebody that changed their name and is
not using self-proclaimedanymore, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I don't know.
Yeah, oh shit, Ladner did youchange your name.
No, he's not arguing like Ladner, that would be.
That would be funny.
Ok, so let's.
Steve asked he said if you getthe information to the license
plate and a ticket in the mail.
No, because you don't know whoit is.
Anybody can be driving your carfrom behind your.
Your vehicle doesn't mean thatthat's you.

(01:28:24):
So, um, jerry jumping in.
Oh, there we go, we got ourfirst one tonight, became a
member.
Thank you, jerry, appreciatethat.
Um, but uh, as a trial timfollow, complain in our discord.
Tim's always got clever ways ofbringing people over to this
court.
I like it.

(01:28:44):
Uh, king Pomegranate, that's afun name.
I like that too.
He said high-speed chasesfleeing.
Low-speed chases also fleeing.
That's the law, not a seminaron Oxford English Dictionary.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
I'm pretty sure there is no set speed in the law that
proclaims you to be fleeing oreluding at any point in time.
Just the fact that you'rerefusing to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Yeah, that's it yeah, uh, andy fletcher.
Andy brings up a good question.
Why do we see povs in policeparking lots with expired tags?
A lot of times the tags aren'tactually expired, they're
updated.
The stickers just have not beenput on by the fleet maintenance
.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
That's what I've seen at least does he mean povs
meaning so oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
personal vehicles oh well, fuck, you shouldn't see
that.
No, no, you shouldn't see thatat all.
I me personally I have caughtsome of my officers have expired
tags and I'm like you're notdriving that, yep, don't fucking
say here like I don't know tags.
And I'm like you're not drivingthat Yep, don't fucking leave
Like I don't know how you gothere with it, but you're not
driving that You're getting thatshit updated.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
I've gone and picked up an officer for almost a week
until his check hit so he couldget his registrar updated.
We're out there to set theexample.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I should say Don't let me.
If I'm your supervisor, do notlet me catch you with an expired
registration.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
Yep, we had a guy write a guy a ticket for no
front plate while his car in theparking lot had no front plate.
So one of our guys held overand waited for him to get off
work and as soon as he pulledout of the parking lot he pulled
him over and he wrote him aticket.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
So our own shift got our own guy and then he had to
spend a license and that was allfun.
That was a whole fun one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Oh shit, Craig man, we started it.
It's coming in now.
Everybody's like all right.
I want to Thank you, Craig.
Craig gifted five memberships.
Just looking to see who got one, If it's anybody that talks all
the time.
Zach does drop his bars fromtime to time, anybody that talks
all the time.
Uh, zach does drop his barsfrom time to time, um, but, yeah

(01:30:51):
, uh, yeah.
So with that, thank you verymuch.
That money again goes rightback into what we're doing.
As you can see, I'm dumpingmost of the money into the
discord guys.
That's really the new thingthat I'm doing.
We're really trying to pushthat discord.
We got lots of good mods onthere.
Marine bloods is on there,tim's a mod I'm trying to think
of who else is modding.
Brian thompson's a mod, uh,alan and um deadleg help out on

(01:31:14):
there as well.
So, um, eric, uh, mr billfoldsaid eric, there are officers,
povs, with the illegal tint inthe police parking lots, the
same cops who give tint tickets.
Long Island Audit did that one.
Yeah, now, that's not somethingI would ever do.
I personally had illegal tint atone point on a vehicle that I

(01:31:37):
had and got rid of it quick,fast, in a hurry.
The car I bought it.
It had illegal tint and I waslike, oh, I didn't know it was
illegal at the time, cause,that's again, it's something
I've never enforced.
I've never used a tint reader,so I didn't know.
I just thought they sold it tome that way, and I've had people
tell me that before too.
This is how it was sold and Iwas like, oh, it just looks

(01:32:00):
really dark, and I didn't sayshit about it Cause I don't care
, it's Texas, it's hot, Iunderstand having to so, but
yeah, I tried to drive with itat night and I was like this has
got to go.
I can't, I can't drive withthis.
I don't know how people do it.
I don't know how you drive with10 at night.
It's crazy, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
You can get premium 10.
There's, there's, there's alarge popular population of our
folks out there that they havemajor issues with the sun.
That's actually creating moreaccidents and a lot of people
don't understand this.
So you can also go to your eyedoctor here and and get an
exemption, at least in the stateof Texas, which attaches to

(01:32:37):
your 28 and or your licenseplate reading.
So when the officer runs it,you're going to find out if you
have that exemption or not.
And it also attaches to your 27and or your, your persons.
When they run you in the systemdo you have that exemption.
So there, there is a way to getan exemption out there for tent
, for medical reasons only.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Yeah, um, jerry asked did you guys get YouTube
premium?
Yet yes, we did, we did getpremium.
Thank you guys.
We got it because y'all, again,the money that you guys pump
into it, we put it right backinto the show.
Brandar86, he's been giving ussome shit tonight but he's like
you know what?
I'm going to gift you guys fivememberships.
So we appreciate that.
Brandar, no matter how much weget into it on here, guys just

(01:33:20):
know it's just us debatingtopics.
Still love y'all.
I'm still love y'all.
Uh, it does not.
I'm not gonna boot you.
I will never mute you and uh, II don't silence you just
because we don't agree on things.
So that's, that is what you getwhen you come to this page.
Uh, banning must have had to puthis kiddo to bed or something.
Um, oh, he said he too muchwater.
He had to go pee.
Love it.
So, brander, thank you verymuch, brother.

(01:33:41):
Appreciate you, um, but uh, letme get to the next video.
Now.
This is is the.
This is the big one.
This is the.
Before we get to body camreviews.
This is the one that drivesother cops crazy.
I argue with more cops on thisthan I argue with anybody else,
so that's the type of topicwe're about to deal with and

(01:34:02):
it's something very stupidTrespassing, and when we can ID
people, houston's like oh shit,all right, I'm going to share
screen, let's see here.
Share screen Instagrams.
There we go and play and playgood how you doing good.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
I'm officer gill um officer hill thank you for
identifying yourself.
I'm just having a conversationwith you do you have
identification on you?
Do I have identification on me?
Of course I do, okay, well, I'dlike to see that, because
you're being trespassed, so Ineed your information.
You don't need my informationyes, I do, you can.
Just we got called here, sothat's fine.
Do you see me?

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
breaking in.
Okay, I'm going to pause itright there.
First off again cops, look atme, look, look look at me.
Just because you get called tothe fucking scene does not mean
you get to see their ID.
That's not how that works.
You only get the ID if they'reunder arrest or it's a lawful

(01:35:01):
traffic stop.
Okay, so we got nothing else.
You don't have a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
ID, it doesn't count, just because you're called the
scene.
Let's continue.
You're currently beingtrespassed from here.
You didn't leave.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
I believe I'm being unlawfully trespassed and if you
want to trespass me, go aheadand trespass me, but I'm not, by
the way she's saying he'strespassed, and if you want to
trespass me, go ahead andtrespass me, but I'm not, by the
way, she's saying he'strespassed and he's currently on
the public sidewalk, so whenshe got there he was not on
property.
Okay, um, and I did find outlater.
Somebody told me that this maybe a government facility which
makes it accessible to thepublic, obviously, but uh, I

(01:35:35):
don't know.
I none of that information wasin there and I I can't
necessarily tell from the video,but other people seem to know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
So anyway, I'm not surrendering my information.
You're not getting myidentification from me.

Speaker 7 (01:35:50):
As long as you guys stay on the sidewalk, they're
cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
So Big Sarge comes out At least I think he's Sarge
and clears it up.
He's like no, you got no crimeon him, you got to let him go,
sarge.
And clears it up.
He's like no, you got no crimeon him, you got to let him go.
You don't get his ID.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
This is how I hope Sarge's will be as long as I
stay on the sidewalk.
They're cool On the public area.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
I don't need him to think I'm cool to stand on a
sidewalk, that's none of hisbusiness what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
You can do whatever you want to.
Don't go on the propertybecause they they were if I find
out that this, I'm going tolook it up on onyx right now,
and I'm going to make some phonecalls and if I find out this is
public property, I certainly amgoing back on the property and
then you guys can come back outhere and do whatever you think
you want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
That's up to you all right, this one, we got a first,
all right, and so, um, I don'tdisagree with them on that.
I'm going to stop sharing, uh,so here comes in a debate.
So here comes in a debate.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
There's a process that you have to go through.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Right, yeah, and now we're going to talk about
trespassing criminal trespassversus trespass warning.
A trespass warning is civilthere's no crime that's occurred
.
And that can only happen ifyou're still on property when
the officer arrives and theytell you that this guy is not

(01:37:03):
allowed to be here.
So now you can detain and tellthe guy hey, I got to write this
criminal trespass for you, I'msorry, this trespass warning for
you.
So you can detain for a secondwhile you fill out the sheet and
give it to them.
Now the problem that peoplehave, especially officers, is
they've got this nifty littlenotepad and they think that

(01:37:27):
because they've got this padthat has a criminal trespass or,
I'm sorry, trespass warninginformation on there, that they
have a right to ID.
They understand how that can betricky because it has name,
date of birth on there.
It does not give you the rightto ID them, and this is where
the debate I have with othercops is If they don't ID, the

(01:37:49):
question I have is what offensedo you have?
What is the law in your stateto be able to ID somebody?
I guarantee most of them thatI've seen is that they are under
arrest or it's a lawful trafficstop.
Other than that you cannotcompel them.
They are not obligated to ID,and failure to ID is a secondary

(01:38:14):
offense to an arrest, it's nota primary offense.
So that's where this argumentstarts to come in that I have
with people.
I'm like so, if you're tryingto fill out your little form,
are they under arrest?
No, was it a traffic stop?
No, so why do they have to ID?
Well, because I got to fill outthis form and I was called to

(01:38:36):
the scene.
And this is a trespass.
I'm like right, you have toafford them the ability to leave
.
That's what a trespass is.
You tell them hey, you're nolonger welcome here.
Now the person that's therepresentative of the business
is the one that's supposed totell them.
A lot of times they try to passthe buck on the officer.
Can you tell him that he's nolonger welcome?
I always make them no, you haveto tell him.

(01:38:56):
If you don't want to tell him,then he's going to be coming
back.
So now they got to come out andsay hey, you're no longer
welcome here.
Hey, sir, here's a trespasswarning, you're no longer
welcome back here.
For a year that's usually howlong they last in any state that
I've seen.
And then after that, if theyrefuse to leave, now you have
criminal trespass.
Or if they come back within theyear, you have criminal
trespass.

(01:39:17):
And they go to jail.
Now they, they have to ID andpeople are like, well, how am I
supposed to know who they are?
You either do a little policework by taking a picture with
your body cam, getting picturefrom the business, writing down
a really good description hey,he had a Mickey Mouse tattoo
behind his ear on the left side,whatever it is.
They can make a reasonableargument the next time that

(01:39:38):
person shows up and said, hey,we had him trespassed.
Uh, he showed back up.
Now you have a credible thirdparty witness and you've got the
descriptors or a picture andthat's all going to go into your
case building.
So now you can arrest them.
You have to be creative.
You can't be a lazy cop and say, ooh, if I don't have his name,

(01:39:58):
how do I do it?
How did we do it before?
How did we ever arrest a badguy without knowing their name?
You know you got to put a casetogether, guys.
That is how this criminaltrespass shit works.
So you don't have a right totheir ID.
I will fight you to the deathon this one Banning.
What do you got?

Speaker 8 (01:40:16):
I'm right there with you on it period, same thing
what do you got Deadleg so I wasthe head of security at a mall
and we hold on, don't gloss overthat.
You were head of the securityat a mall at the 7th largest
mall in the state of Hawaii inthe state of Hawaii if we're

(01:40:39):
trying to get into a measuringcontest, 7 contest, largest in
the state of hawaii yeah, okay,we were across the street.
Uh, at the time, oh, this is awhile ago were you a thousand?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
were you a cop before or?

Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
after.
Before I was an mp, before thiswas.
This was like a little bit oflike interim period when I first
got to hawai, hawaii, before Igot into government contracting.
So I got hired by this company.
Anyway, we were across thestreet from a high school and we
had a movie theater.
So we had issues on a regularbasis with teenagers and stuff

(01:41:14):
that we had to trespass people.
So from the get-go usually it'sa business to a party, but from
the get-go the call that comesout it is a civil complaint
between two parties that arehaving a disagreement, that one
party says I don't want themhere and the other party won't
leave.
So all you do when you getthere is the police officer.
You go, hey, tell them theycan't be here.

(01:41:35):
And they go, hey, you can't behere, all right, you can't be
here.
They told you can't be here.
You go, all right, you can't behere.
They told you you can't be here.
That's what you've done as apolice officer.
You're just kind of mediatingor you're just the person in
between.
You don't get ID.
It's a civil thing.
Now, if they continue to stay,then you're trespass after
warning.
That's an arrestable offense.
That's something you get an IDfor for, so that everything on

(01:41:58):
that from from the trespassafter warning, that all of that
is on the mall or on thefacility or whoever's
maintaining those records it'sall on you, because that's
becomes a civil thing.
And then if it comes to anarrestable stuff, the
prosecution is going to come out.
They're going to ask you hey,do you have records of this?
Because if it comes out, onceit goes to court.
Because this is what happens.
You know what people don'tunderstand a lot of times.
Once it goes to court, theprosecutor gets I don't even

(01:42:20):
want, we won't even mess withthis case, and you don't even
see inside a courtroom, they'lljust dismiss with prejudice.
So you don't even see.
You know, nobody gets to seethe end of the case.
But there's a whole procedurebefore you get to the go to id
someone and it's not untilthey've actually been warned,
been told that they can't bethere, yep, been told that they
can't be there in the presenceof law enforcement, and then

(01:42:42):
they continue to be there.
Now you've you fail to complywith an instruction by a police
officer.
Which it's either trespassafter warning or fair to comply
with the police officer.
Which which one of the ones doyou want to go with, but there's
a, that's a.
It's a big civil thing.
Government stuff becomes reallydifferent.
But even then, like the FirstAmendment, auditors, where the

(01:43:10):
public can easily have anyaccess to they, can do anything
that you can have and do in thepublic.
You can do that there too.
That includes taking picturesand taking video and recording
and drawing maps.
You can do whatever you want.
Now, that's not saying that youon the other side of the
government can't go.
Hey, kind of suspicious, andI'm going to just keep an eye on
this person.
It's kind of what you do yousee and you counter see and you
see and counter surveillance andstuff like that.
But this the, the trespass andit's.

(01:43:33):
You can't just go straight toid.
Yeah, like it's, you can.
You can ask for it, you can askall you want.
They don't have to go to you.
Yeah, as soon as they shut itdown to go.
No, I don't have to.
Okay, cool, well, they told youyou can't be here.
I'm telling you you can't behere.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
If you want to come back and file a complaint
afterwards, other than that thanjust Joe Blow citizen.
So a lot of times inopportunities to ask for ID,
like you're talking about, Ialways let them know that they
have the right to say no.
I want them to know that I wantto be as fucking transparent
and fair as I can be.
So when I do ask you because Iknow I don't have a right to it,

(01:44:12):
I'm going to say, hey, youdon't have to give me your ID.
You're not legally obligated to.
But can I get your ID?
I'm just going to use it forthis.
I'm going to fill thisinformation in, tell them why I
want it and what I'm going touse it for.
I've gotten in this debate withpeople a lot on here because
they're like just because youcan doesn't mean you should.
I don't think that asking forsomebody's ID is a bad thing,

(01:44:35):
especially if you inform them oftheir rights.
Now if you try to trick them oryou know you imply that it's
something they need to give,without saying they need to give
like, I think that's wrong.
But Brandar said Eric, do youthink any officer should ever
ask do you want them trespassed?
Would that constitutesolicitation.
What Absolutely that would besolicitation.
And no, I don't bring it up.

(01:45:02):
I'm not bringing it up.
It's not our job to bring it up.
That's not.
I could give a shit less.
If you want somebody on yourproperty or not, tell me.
All right, cool, I'll get themoff.
But if you're not telling methat, well, I'm not again.
Soliciting things is just likeyou know, soliciting like it's
not.
I don't think that's right.
I'm not going to put it in yourhead.
No, I'm not going to ask them.

(01:45:24):
So yeah, that's where I standon that.
Mike.
What the fuck?
You confused the shit out of me.
Out of all the things that youhave a problem with.
You don't have a problem withasking for ID, which is insane,
because the majority of thepeople that listen to us and
talk to us they hate that, and Iget it.

(01:45:46):
That's one of the places wehave a little sticking point,
but you're all right with it.
You confuse me, man, I don'tunderstand you.
What up, king?

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Pomegranate.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Yeah, I like his name .

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
This is from king prom.
Again, king pomegranate.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong,but you don't have to be on
property to get a trespasswarning.
Similarly, similarly, a notrespassing sign can be
considered a trespass warning,in and of itself still not
criminal, though, not true?
Um, so you definitely cannot betrespassed from a place that
you're not on site.
An officer's got to see you onthere regardless.

(01:46:24):
Um, there there is a slightcaveat with the dawn of
technology.
Um, I have had clerks at like aseven 11.
It was like here I amvideotaping this guy and I told
him to leave and he told me togo fuck myself.
I'm going to wait for thepolice to get here and they got
it on video.
And then when I get there, theguy's still on scene and he's

(01:46:46):
like you never told me to leave.
You guys like yes, I did.
And he shows the video and I'mlike all right, you're under
arrest because that thatconstitutes criminal trespass.
You were told to leave and youdid not.
You were told to leave leave bya representative of the
business or the owner orwhatever it is, and you didn't
leave.

(01:47:08):
But hold on real quick A lot oftimes.
And here's where cops, I think,get confused.
And here's how they getconfused Most of the time when
they have to deal with atrespass, it's in lieu of an
arrest anyway.
So the person's under arrestand you'll have the clerk come
over.
I want him trespassed, I wanthim to come back anymore.
So now you get their ID becausethey're under arrest.

(01:47:29):
It's, that's part of the arrestprocess.
So now you get their ID andthen you add that to criminal
trespass warrant.
So that's normal.
It's very.
It's less.
It happens less that you haveto just trespass somebody and
there's no other offense.
Has that been your guys'experience?

Speaker 8 (01:47:47):
It's usually something else with it.
They were shoplifting, or theywere tagging and spray painting,
or they were there was othercriminal mischief stuff with it.
They were shooting people withpaintball guns, shooting people
with airsoft guns.
They're committing armedrobbery.
Trying to think of all thethings that we've.
Uh, they said explosives off inthe parking lot.

(01:48:08):
Um, they created a riot atburger king.
Uh, I'm just trying to think ofall like the big ones that we
trust my people from yeah, yeah,stealing shop living, all that
like.
Yeah, there's always a anotherthing with it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Like, you committed this crime on our property and
we don't like criminals on ourproperty, so you're not allowed
on here anymore yeah, and julien said um, she's like I've seen
so many videos asking do youwant them trespassed, and I will
tell you 100.
I think that's wrong, um, ifyou guys have those videos,
please, please, send them on ourDiscord.
I'll do a reaction video tothose all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
I'll call you out on that.
The only time I would you know,if they ask you, officer, what
can we do to prevent this personto come back, then you come out
with the only thing is enforcea.
Is a enforceable by lawenforcement, is a criminal
trespass.
And that's the totality.
You know, if they come and askyou for knowledge on what they

(01:49:09):
can do, for the totality ofeverything that's going on, then
you are you.
You have to answer that, youknow, and it's.
It was very few and far betweenbut but Houston and I dealt with
that a lot up here in a ruralarea.
If they asked you, then yes,you, you, you tell them, but we
don't go and solicit hey, man,do you want a criminal trespass?
So we don't come back.
And that's the practice that wegave.

(01:49:30):
We don't.
We don't give that to a person.
When we get there, they have toask what their, what their
rights are on the property thatthey own, on asking somebody to
leave.
So we've been to plenty of them, to where they're like I just
want them out of here.
Cool, we'll make them leave andthey're gone.
We'll make them leave.
That doesn't mean tomorrow theycan't come back.

(01:49:50):
You know what I'm saying.
And then it's the same call.
You're coming back to it.
What else can we do?
And then they're asking you forwhat other laws under the state
do we have to keep them out forwhatever egregious action that
got us sent there to begin with?
So then you have to tell themjust to be the right thing, but
we don't sit there and hold outa card.
Do you want to criminaltrespass these people?

(01:50:12):
And I know those videos are outthere yeah, most good agencies
won't, and that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
That is a good point.
There are times when they'reasking well, what can I do?
Well, then, yeah, I'm gonnatell them, like well, that the
option is criminal trespassingor a trespass warning.
And then they're like, what isthat?
And then I explain this is whata trespass warning is.
So that's different.
That's, that's a request thatyou're you're filling in the
blanks, um, because they wereasking and they don't know, um,

(01:50:38):
which that's totally differentthan when you show up on scene
and you haven't even talked tothe part anybody.
You just see the clerk andyou're like you want this guy
criminally trespassed, you wanthim trespassed and you start
doing that shit.
I've seen those videos, mrbillfold being an asshole, eric,
I will send them again.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Listen I don't know how many.
I don't know how many times meand Banning had to argue with a
quote unquote superior officerto certain things like that too.
Yeah, and we would.
We would get into arguments inthe office over said offenses

(01:51:16):
and basically we would just tellthat alleged superior officer
what an idiot he was and wewould walk away and I'll get,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna capitalizeon this because this happens in
a lot of rural areas.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
uh.
So yeah, yeah, you're in.
We would get a phone callthrough dispatch stating so.
And so was on the propertyyesterday and they don't want
them back.
The complainant business ownerwants to speak to you.
So the norm prior to Houston andI arriving was law enforcement

(01:51:50):
would say.
They would come to, let's justsay, a Mexican restaurant.
Law enforcement arrive and sayJoe Schmo was here yesterday and
he raised his voice severaltimes to the cashier.
So we've decided we want to puta criminal trespass on him.
Go issue issue to it.
Now, when was?
When was Joe Schmo here?
Well, joe Schmo was here.
We understand it's four o'clockon Thursday, but he was here

(01:52:12):
four o'clock on Wednesday.
So go issue him the warning.
And times passed prior to ourarrival, law enforcement would
go to Joe Schmoe's address smalltown, everybody knows him and
they would issue a criminaltrespass for an incident that
occurred the day prior.
And the judiciary everythingfrom from a county judicial all

(01:52:32):
the way to the district wouldrecognize that.
And that is not how the law iswritten.
And, as you know, we've spokeabout this several times on the
show on criminal trespass.
When the officer comes thereand the officer is observing the
warning to be issued and thatperson is still on the property,
that's when the business owner,homeowner, whoever is asking

(01:52:52):
for the trespass, when it can beissued, nine times out of ten
the arrest is not occurring thatday, but as if they violate
that.
After the fact of homeowner,business owner gives the warning
, officer concludes In somecounties it's a signed thing,
y'all, both sign on it,everybody's got a copy.
Dispatch gets a copy.
So when in three months, if theperson violates it again and

(01:53:14):
you run the person, by the way,there's a criminal trespass on
this person at the propertyyou're at, verify it's there,
they can enact that.
By the way, there's a criminaltrespass on this person at the
property you're at, verify it'sthere and act that.
But up here it was done veryI'm going to call it 60s, 70s
style, before the laws werechanged a little differently to
better suit and unfortunatelythat's how it was working up
here.
Do you have anything to add onthat?

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
No, everything that you're saying is absolutely
correct.
I don't know how many timesI've actually told people.
You know well, your guy's nothere, your problem is solved.
He's not there.
I'm not going to go.
I'm not going to go chasesomebody down to just go give
them a simple little piece ofpaper.

(01:54:00):
Down, to just go give them asimple little piece of paper
when chances are, especially inthe small towns by next week
they're going to be making upanyway, and that way they got a
new rumor on Susie Q down theroad.
Then they got somebody else totalk shit on whatever.
No, you're correct, manny Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Yeah, let's get to a video.
No, you're correct, benny.
Yep, yeah, let's get to a video.
We have not gotten to a videoyet.
Tonight we got to our videos,but let's get to the body cam
review part.
So if you've never done the bodycam review, this is what we do.
We watch videos that we havenever seen.
If anybody on the panel hasseen them, they're going to own
up to it and say I've seen thisone, so I'm not going to make

(01:54:39):
any judgments on this.
And when I say judgments, wepretend that we're the officer
in the body cam.
So you can kind of see how thecall gets broken down as we go.
It's kind of a unique view onpolicing and you get to see how
a guy that was a cop in Hawaiior a guy that was a cop in
Colorado, or a guy that was acop in North Texas or a guy that
was a cop in other states andstuff like that, me Been a cop

(01:55:02):
in Michigan and Texas.
So we all have these differenttrainings, but we all kind of
have similar ways that we wouldhandle things.
Some of us are very differentin the way we'd handle things
and you guys get to see that andtalk about that, so it's kind
of fun.
It's a different thing.
Tonight.

(01:55:28):
Everything that we're going tobe watching is off of police
activity on youtube.
So shout out to police activity.
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bad number, that's the devil,the devil all right, you want to
know what's crazy in China.

Speaker 8 (01:55:40):
Triple sixes is a good thing really, that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Communist, damn commies.
Yeah, shout out to them.
I want you guys to see theirpage, I want you to follow, like
, subscribe them, and I want togive them all credit where
credit is due.
Yeah, these guys right here.
Alright, let's go over to thefirst video.
Share this tab instead.
There we go.
Let's go over to the firstvideo.
Um, share this tab instead.
There we go.
Let's make big size this tab.

(01:56:05):
I watched this earlier.
Oh, I clicked on the wrong spot.
There we go.
Uh, okay, so you've seen thisone.
Okay, so he's going to, uh, bowout of this one.
I'm going to start this, okay,so I'll meet myself while I
laugh hysterically.
Okay, let's go.
It's only a minute and 33seconds so it's very short.
We've got.

(01:56:28):
So we, you just gave the stop.
You see the red and blues.
He's taking off.
Okay.
So I'm not a big fan of chasingmotorcycles, but given the road
conditions, I'm gonna maybefollow him for a little bit and
see what he does.
He's already taken off at ahigh speed, so I'm probably not

(01:56:52):
gonna chase this guy that far.
I'm probably gonna get up toabout this curve and I'm gonna.
I'm gonna call it or or up tothat car and I'm going to call
it.
That's me.
Anybody different, would you?

Speaker 8 (01:57:02):
call this fleeing and eluding the other video.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
Maybe if he puts his hazards on now he's fine,
because he's just trying to goto his mom's apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
I just hope it's not in a certain county that may get
hit in the earth.

Speaker 4 (01:57:18):
Oh, you were thinking the exact same shit.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
I was oh my god, bam, settle down you tons of bitches
, let's go 13.

Speaker 8 (01:57:47):
13 looks like he's trying to take off with his bike
just after.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Oh no, he's right I don't hear it.

Speaker 8 (01:57:53):
Do any of you guys?
ride this back on myintersection I don't, but I do
so banny will understand withmotorcycle Cause we had a
problem with motorcycles runningfrom us in Hawaii.
With motorcycles, specifically,they're in a helmet.
So now they have a helmet ontheir head and we're past 2003.
So everybody's got more than aniPod or something and AirPods

(01:58:15):
in their ears.
So you got a helmet and thenAirPods and all that other stuff
.
So with motorcycles, so withmotorcycles, especially with
motorcycles, when I would hit mylights I would definitely give
them quite a bit of siren, butI'd give them a little bit more
leeway.
Before I was like, okay, thisone's for sure running, because
there's like there's things thatthey're indicating that they're
doing.

(01:58:35):
They're trying to get throughthe gears real fast, like you
can see if they look and theysee you, but if sometimes, like
they may not see you or justdoesn't look like they see you,
that may be the case theylegitimately don't see you or
don't hear you, yeah, not givingthem an out.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're right.
But now here's the question Isit no longer fleeing because
he's stopping, Even though he'sstopping, even though, even
though he stopped way soonerthan the other car that didn't
stop and got to an apartmentcomplex, oh, he's got a gas pan

(01:59:14):
on him.
Look at your boy.
All right, I'm gonna give you,I'm gonna give your boy credit
for effort.
He tried to run his bike away.
He tried to run his bike away.
Oh, my god, I wish you guyscould see what I see on discord
right now.
I am, I'm actually I am goingto, I'm going to take a little

(01:59:35):
clip.
I just want to know that littletimmy, I see timmy, sleepy guys
, I'm saving this picture and itis going on my.
It's definitely going on oursocial media page.
Tim is out.
I love it.
Um, so anyway, uh, this guytried to run his bike, so so,

(01:59:59):
yeah, you're getting tackled,bro.
I mean, you are activelyshowing me.
You're trying to get away, eventhough the jigs up.
Yep, anybody else got anythingdifferent?

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Let's see what his tackling form looks like Wade
comment of the night.
He's looking for a safe spot topull over Right.
Oh my gosh, my boy is trying.
I mean, hey, he's trying.
Yep, pull him down, get on theground, get on the ground.
Hey, give the offer credit.

(02:00:33):
He's not just beating the shitout of this guy.
You gotta be very odd and seefor anybody driving by boys in
the middle of the road.
That's it.
Now I see why you laughed deadleg, lovely.
Let me, uh, let me go over tothe comments here and see what

(02:00:53):
people are saying on this one.
That was, uh, that was fuckingentertaining.
Uh, why did the cop have tohurt?

Speaker 8 (02:01:00):
that's right why did?

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
my cop have to hurt the poor bike.
It didn't do anything to runfrom the cops.
It was being held hostagejustice for suzuki what's that
justice for suzuki why tacklehim and damage the property?
Yeah, because you ran from me.
I don't give a shit about theproperty.

(02:01:24):
Um, getting you under arrestquick, fast, in a hurry, because
when we hesitate, people gethurt, everything amplifies.
When you hesitate, you don'thandle business up front.
Marine blood said.
I believe there are some stateswhere it's illegal to have both
ears plugged in while operatinga vehicle.
I would think that that wouldbe a thing.

(02:01:45):
I don't think you should be.
Riding around on a motorcycleand listening to music, I don't
know.
It seems awfully dangerous.
I don't know.
What are you laughing about?
Banning?

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
I'd see a comment from Centurion Tattoo.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
It's just making me giggle a little bit Centurion
tattoos just making me giggle alittle bit.

Speaker 8 (02:02:05):
It's always funny, he says how is banning going to be
on lives now?
Aol, the chat is on firetonight.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
The funny thing is is I saw that earlier come through
on a real that aol dial upliterally just got canceled this
week and they were one of thefirst platforms for for.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
They were the first yeah, first platforms for for
yeah, they were the first Iremember getting discs from
mcdonald's for a minute to beonline.
That's when the struggle wasreal, y'all.
When the struggle was real,you'd be walking.
You got any of those minutes?
You got any of those internetminutes?
I'm uh running low.
Mom, get off the phone, I'mdownloading, yeah, yeah damn it,

(02:02:44):
mom, I was almost done with mybone thugs and harmony cd fucked
it up.
All right, let's go to the nextvideo here, share screen.
There we go share.
All right, let me, uh, go backjust a little bit.
I started playing this one.
Oh, this is 11 minutes.
Let me go to another videofirst.

(02:03:04):
I don't want to try to stayfive minutes or under.

Speaker 8 (02:03:09):
That's what she said.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
Right, exactly, let's go to this one, all right.
Biggie size, oh, biggie size,there we go and play.
Viewer discretion advised.

Speaker 8 (02:03:27):
Why does every LAPD shooting have a RV parked on the
side of the road Right?

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
So whoever that kid was on the bike was who they're
looking for.
Maybe that's not a kid he lookslike a grown man.
Can I help you out on the wayto work?

Speaker 8 (02:03:44):
We're at the recycling center, it's because
it looks like you have a guninside your pocket.
Oh, no, no.
You need a bike too.

Speaker 4 (02:03:51):
You need brakes on the bike also, is that it yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Okay, if I'm telling this person it looks like they
have a gun in their pocket andthat's what I'm concerned of I'm
not gonna let said person startdigging around in their pockets
.
I'm curious why we're makingcontact with this guy.
I feel like the the 9-1-1 audiowas supposed to tell us that.
Did we hear anything?

Speaker 8 (02:04:14):
oh no, there was none there was none that the other
case than I want one idea oh,that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Yeah, you're right, okay.
Well, let's, let's keep going.
Yeah, I'm not for me.
The minute I start pointing outa gun, you start digging in
that same area.
I'm grabbing your wrists,anybody different?
I'm gonna do a pat down andfigure out what the fuck that is
.
If I think it's a, I mean, Ijust articulated, I think it's a
gun, so I'm gonna do justarticulated.

(02:04:41):
I think it's a gun, so I'mgoing to do a pat down.
But it all depends on why I'mmaking contact.
I got to have a lawful reasonto go make contact with this guy
.
I'm not just stopping randodude going down the road and be
like is that a gun in yourpocket?
So let's see.

Speaker 4 (02:04:54):
Just hop off really quick man.

Speaker 5 (02:05:04):
We'll get you out of here.
Bye, we're out there ridinglike this here all night.

Speaker 4 (02:05:07):
You need breaks, bro, all night.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
We'll get you out of here.
I'm going right there.
You guys can go with me.
Oh, he was digging too damnthat was like point blank, all
right.
Well, I don't really need totell you what I would do from
here.
I think all you guys wouldagree like oh 100 find a safe
place to stop.
Yeah, uh, but all of a sudden,yeah, find a safe place, but,

(02:05:31):
sir, you need to pull over uphere.
You didn't have your hazards on, so yeah have the shootout in
the street.
Yeah, so this guy is definitelygoing to shoot back, can?
I just say it's 2025.

(02:05:55):
Why do we not have lapels orsome sort of wireless mic or
something?
You guys should not be pullingyour radios out to use them.

Speaker 8 (02:06:10):
It's a West Coast old school thing, oh my God.
They did it in Hawaii all thetime too, and I try to break the
guys out there of that.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
You just tied your hands up for stupid Dumb.
All right, let's keep going.
You need a bike.

Speaker 7 (02:06:27):
You need Brooks on the bike also.
Should I do?

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
Yeah, just hop off really quick, man.
We'll get you out of here, butwe're rubbing right at this shit
all night.
You need brakes, bro.

Speaker 7 (02:06:35):
All night.
Just hop off real quick, we'll,I'm going right there, you guys
can come with me and then facethe way I got it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Should have saw that coming, bro.
Like just half step to theright.
Yeah, how did you not see that?
Did anybody else see thatcoming?

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
I mean, it was obvious.
And Marine Blood asked why nolapel mics?
And all that means is theofficers are wearing a radio on
their belt and with a microphoneand a speaker that come up and
they can either put in anearpiece or whatnot, and lapd
typically does not use a lapel.
It's, uh, that is, I believe,furnished by the officer and

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only allowed in certaindistricts of the city.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
I could be wrong yeah , so that's fucking crazy to me.
Anyway, I saw the signs that hewas going to take off.
You could see just the way heedged and moved and didn't want
to be stopped.
And they questioned him aboutthe gun, all of that.
So I'm not sure why.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
Oh shit, fuck, Drop fire, drop fire.
Officer needs help.
Drop fire Officer needs help.
Why see?

Speaker 8 (02:07:47):
how it's difficult to return fire when you have a
radio in your hand.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
It's motherfucker, why?
Why do you cops get so fixatedon calling for help when you
need to help yourself?
Your partner got shot at pointblank.
I don't know if he got hit.
It looked like he got hit Pointblank and your instinct was not

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to shoot rounds back at the guyshooting at both of you.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
It was to get on the radio and ask for other people
to come there and help you.
More likely this was apretextual.
I'm thinking they had moreinformation on this.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
Yeah, it does seem like like they didn't just come
up upon this guy, there wassomething was called in, but we
don't know that.
We're speculating.
We'll find out, hopefully, inthe in the details afterwards,
when we get done, we'll readthose.
But yeah, that is um, yeah, Idon't know.
Uh, wade lucero said in labaggy shirt or hoodie they got a

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glock or draco.
Oh shit, yeah, marine blood,get off the radio.
Thank you, thank you.
Officers, start trainingyourself.
Do not handle business, handlebusiness.
I'm not saying do not handle,but I'm saying do not get on the
radio, handle business, jeez.

(02:09:07):
Okay, let me ask you a questionhere.
Uh, gas, when you got shot inthe face, was your first
reaction to get on the radio andsay I need help?

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
people get here I'm thinking that's a no.
Um, my, my first thought was,uh shit, what just happened?
And then, uh the the next thingI heard nobody else was getting
on the radio.
They were laying down coverfire yeah, nobody was on the

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radio.

Speaker 1 (02:09:37):
they, they were handling business Centurion,
bringing it back Cullors,cullors.
Vinny Pac-Man.
That's a great movie.
Nah, son, let's walk down there, fuck them all.
I like it.
Okay, let's keep going.
Oh wait, let me share the bigscreen there.

Speaker 8 (02:10:01):
Okay, why are they still rocking?

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
the crown Vic, the big screen there.
Are they still rocking thecrowd vic?
Oh bro, they have yeah they'vegot I'd be jealous.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
You need brakes on the bike also, serio, yeah, yeah
, just hop off really quick, man, we'll get you out of here.
What?
We've been riding like thishere all night.
You need brakes, bro, all night.
Just hop off really quick,we'll get you out of here.
Look, I'm going right there.

Speaker 5 (02:10:27):
You guys can go with me.
Step off the bike please.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:10:29):
Face away.
Holy shit, oh fuck, oh shit,fuck Shit.
Shots fired off.
Any help?
Yes, sir, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:52):
There was definitely more to it.
Did you guys see that there wasa patrol car that went flying
by?

Speaker 8 (02:10:56):
Yeah, they were immediately right there.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
They were looking for this dude.

Speaker 3 (02:11:01):
Yeah, they were definitely looking for this guy
what nobody, uh, what nobodyreally even seems to understand,
is how quickly this stuffhappens.
Uh, blink of an eye, man, thatguy had a gun in his hand and
now we've got a completelydifferent situation there.
Now we've got an activemurderer on our hands, and not

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just your normal everydaysuspect that you're looking to
question about something.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
Yeah, you're right, let's keep going.
Yeah, this was a car I sawzooming by.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Yeah, this was a car I saw zooming by.
Oh, good tackle.

Speaker 8 (02:12:02):
That's our third patrol unit there.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
Yeah, yeah, dude that was a fucking pro tackle though
.

Speaker 5 (02:12:24):
I'm going to fucking shoot you.
I'm going to fucking shoot youdude May.

Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
It was panic when he southbound.
Hey, right here I'm going tofucking shoot you, dude, boom
that was a little crazy oh hisbody can't pull off.

Speaker 1 (02:12:53):
Oh no, they're communicating Not on the back of
the neck, which people would beproud about.

Speaker 4 (02:13:03):
Oh God, get your hands off.
Oh God, oh God, oh God.

Speaker 8 (02:13:18):
All right, I have a question for the people that are
arguing in the chats about thereason for the stop.
Did he not just pull a gun andtry to shoot two police officers
?
I'm going to go ahead and guessthat they had some reason.
It's probably not just a randomstop, google protection.

Speaker 2 (02:13:37):
There's going to be other stuff that we're not aware
of in this video.
Yeah, google protection.
There's going to be other stuffthat we're not aware of in this
video.
They used a simple probablecause for the stop whether it be
a bike law, a pedestrian law orsidewalk law to stop an
interview period, and I'll arguetill the sun comes up tomorrow
morning on it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:55):
Yeah, OK.
So I mean, they came up andinstantly asked him about the
gun.
So that's the, that's thequestion.
So let's see here I am readingthe.
Let me share the screen.
You guys can actually see it.
Share screen.
Oh, maybe you can't read that,Maybe you can Too old for that

(02:14:17):
shit man.
Yeah, I know, read good.
Yeah, I know, read good good.
So it's a southwest areauniformed gang enforcement
detail.
So it's gang officers umconducting patrol in western
avenue corridor, uh, near martinluther king park um.
Officers observed the suspect,later identified as 26 year old
ernesto I'm not going topronounce his last name riding a

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bicycle north on the sidewalk.
The officers believe whateverhad possessed a handgun and
initiated a pedestrian stop.
Okay, I don't like that.
I don't like that.
Read that one more time.
Unless you know he's a gangmember.
That's a different thing.
But they said officers believethat Sepulveda possessed a

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handgun and initiated apedestrian stop on the 3900
block of Southwestern Avenue.

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
So this, this, this is what I want to know in the
actual narrative of the officer.
Did they have a furtherevidence of that, because I have
a problem with it too.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
Yeah, I don't.
I don't like somebody justbecause you see that they have a
gun.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
I agree with you in that.
But in the People's Republic ofCalifornia the laws are so much
different there that, andbelieve me, I don't agree with
California laws.
But based on everything thatthey're doing in California
right now for the way their lawsare written, that could be

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probable cause.
I'm not well versed onCalifornia law okay.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
Yeah, I get that.
Now, if it's somebody known toyou, you know that they're a
gang member.
Gang members are not allowed tohave guns.
Correct, I understand that, butwe don't have that.
So that's not what it says here.
Anyway, again, this isn't thereport that we're reading, so
we're not sure there may be moreto it, but, based on what this
says, just stopping them becauseyou see a gun no, I need more.

(02:16:14):
I need more.
That's not enough for me 100%.
Yeah, and again, that's thedifference in the states that
you live in.
This is not going to fly inTexas.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
And I would ever blame when what's the name of
the YouTube people that weregetting the firm police activity
?
Yeah, when they do a FOIAFreedom of Information Request
and then they ask for thedetails, they're getting what's
called public details so peopleunderstand A lot of that stuff
is redacted and thenopinion-based, can be placed in

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there.
What I want to see, inreference to a law enforcement
officer, is the actualnarratives and supplements that
go along with this report,because there are some things I
believe only because myexperience in this that we're
not seeing, that's not availableto the public yet and I would
assume it's because it hasn'tgone to trial.
And again, I'm reaching thestraws here.

(02:17:10):
But, based on the cases that Ipersonally worked, I'm hoping,
in reference to law enforcement,that there's something here in
the investigative task at handthat we're not seeing, that
there's something here in theinvestigative task at hand that
we're not seeing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
Yeah, and the question was asked.
Somebody said why are gangmembers prohibited In the state
of Texas?
If you're a documented gangmember meaning you claim a set,
you claim being in a gang no,you're not allowed to carry a
handgun.
That's where all your violencecomes from and that is it's not
allowed.
Like, you can't have a gun.
That's what it is.
They've already been arrestedfor being a gang member and

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committing violence, so theyhave a violent past and all of
that.
So, no, they're no longerallowed to have a gun.

Speaker 8 (02:17:51):
Um, I was doing some googling to see if I could find
more about it, and even in thestatement from the district
attorney's office, he wascharged with two counts of
attempted murder of a policeofficer after the stop and the
stop was they?
He was riding a bicycle on July5th this is from the statement

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Two officers attempted toquestion the defendant, who was
riding a bicycle, with that whatappeared to be a gun in his
pocket.
Within a few seconds, sepulvedapulled the gun out and fired at
the officer, striking one ofthem in the leg.
The gun also was a ghost gun.
It had no serial number on itas well.

Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
Oh, so you had to okay, but they would have never
known that if they didn't makethe stop to begin with, which I
didn't agree with the stop.

Speaker 2 (02:18:35):
Is the DA?
If the DA is making thatcomment and I know California
has got some weird, even morestrict laws than Texas does in
reference to bicycles beingdriven in a public place I mean

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you've got to have it doesn'tmatter if it's three o on there,
to be activated once the sungoes down, which gives officers
probable cause to initiate astop.
So if you're going to be goingout there doing criminal things,
you've got to have a bike thatmeets the standards in the state
of California for the statelaws for that.
And if they can stop you forthat based on the penal code of
the traffic code in the state ofCalifornia, then they can stop

(02:19:23):
you for it.
Go after the legislators, don'tgo after peace officers, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
On that part of it.
Yeah.
And then somebody asked can yoube a gang member without being
arrested or being convicted ofviolence?
I don't think so.
I think they go hand in hand.
I don't think you can just getdocumented.
It seems like a round.
I don't know enough about that.
To be honest, I've never been agang guy.
I've never been a gang officer.

(02:19:48):
I just loosely understand whatit is that they do, and from my
understanding they can.
Only I don't know.
I'm talking out of my ass, I'mnot sure.
I think they document them oncethey've been arrested.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
I think that's how it works of a violent crime.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
Somebody said it was a loaded question and I just had
to giggle yeah, so yeah, no.
And somebody had mentioned inthe comments that that's
unconstitutional.
No, I don't agree.
Your constitutional rights areprotected as long as you're
being lawful.
Yes, those constitutionalrights disappear the moment that
you are infringing on somebodyelse's rights to a pursuit of

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happiness and life and liberty.

Speaker 2 (02:20:34):
Correct.
You're talking about yourmovement being stopped.
Your movement being stopped forillegal contact is what we are
stating.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20:43):
So you have to look at state law in a specific state
of where the video is period.
If they have followed that,meaning the peace officers.
If there is a state lawjustification in reference to
the vehicle code, which abicycle is a vehicle, and I
don't give a shit about peoplesaying they're traveling here,
they're traveling there Allthose laws are in effect and

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there's a reason for it.
If you don't like the laws, goafter the legislators.

Speaker 1 (02:21:07):
Or go to a different state.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
Yes, I hate the laws inCalifornia.
I ain't never going over there.
I love the laws in Texas.
There are some I Like I shouldbe able to paint my chicken any
color I want.
But you can't in Texas.
You can't paint your chickenunnatural colors.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
Throw.
I think that's his first piratetruck Throw that comment up.
That's an important comment.

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
Do cops typically know things like fruit of the
poisonous tree?
And not to initiate stops?
That will just have theevidence suppressed.
Yeah, 100%.
And that's what we're gettingat with this.
Stop, we don't.
I don't see in the state oftexas that that's not a reason
to stop somebody.
You can't just say that guy'sgot a gun.
I'm gonna go pull him over andmake sure that that's a gun.

Speaker 3 (02:21:51):
Yeah yeah, well, carry everything.
Texas is a constitutional carrystate, whereas I don't think,
uh, california even knows whatthe constitution is yeah, yep,
yep.

Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
So um, yeah, that's.
Uh, that's what that is.
All right, let me go to thenext video.
There we are.
Here we go, share screen thatbiggie size.
Oh wait, that was the video wejust watched.

(02:22:30):
I'm an idiot, I think this didwe watch.
Oh yeah, we did watch that one.
Sorry guys, standby, share thistab instead.
There we go, biggie size and gohey, he's going up on the curb

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okay, so in this one, yeah, I'mgonna get back in my damn car.
I'm not gonna be out there andget run over.
Um, I'm not sure why we're here, but uh, we've already got
offenses on scene.
He's driving up on the sidewalkrecklessly um crazy, and the
video just started out hot, solike that's another weird thing

(02:23:18):
to me.
So let's see how this goeslet's go look at first safe spot
.
Yeah, he's not fleeing, he'sjust parking.
It muted itself.
By the way, I didn't mute,they've probably given no

(02:23:40):
address.
Oh, there's a car, he's goingto hit us.
Watch out, he just hit a pigeon.

Speaker 7 (02:23:51):
Come on, I got my gun off.
All right, you're good.
Go, he's going to bail.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (02:24:06):
Stay in your car If you think they're going to bail.
Your car keeps going.
You don't need to get out yet.
Guys, that's a rookie move.
I'm going to stay in my caruntil I can't stay in my car.

Speaker 2 (02:24:18):
Oh, I chase my foot in the car until you can't do it
.
No more, right.

Speaker 1 (02:24:21):
Yeah, exactly, I'm going to chase you While you're
running on foot.
My car is.
I'm not wasting any energyuntil I have to, so alright.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
See, that's just wisdom.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
Yeah, so in this one I'm staying in the car.
That one officer that said thathe's been out there a year.
Listen to what we're saying.
We're going to save you energy,time, and you're going to be
able to arrest people a lotbetter.
See, and this is why you stayin your car, you could have

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saved time like this.
Now you had to get back in thevehicle, you to put it back in a
drive.
He backed into our cruiseragain he stopped over here.
He so worked up.
This officer is worked up, he'sgoing two miles an hour 340 in

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the morning too.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think youexpect this at 3 40 in the
morning.
How many times are we going tokeep doing this?
How many times are we going totry to get out of the car when
they're still in their vehicle?

Speaker 2 (02:25:32):
it's time to disable the vehicle.
Yeah, oh, yeah, it doesn'tmatter about policies and
procedures.
He's already utilizing hisvehicle as a battering ram.
Yeah, it's time to take it outand articulate it very well in
the report Do it with as leastinjuries as you can and take the
vehicle out.
Yep, agreed, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (02:25:53):
That was a good move, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:25:59):
So we see hands.
It looks like he's the only onein there, so now we're gonna
try to get this dude out.
I it's very unnerving whenthey're facing you like this, oh
it's bad, bad, yeah, very weird, because this is not typically
how a stop goes.
So, um, being able to see him,though, does put me more at ease
, because I can see his hand, so.
So if the hand starts to godown now, I know that there's

(02:26:22):
some fuckery about to happen.
One person, one person talk itmuted itself again.
You move you will get ended.

Speaker 7 (02:26:39):
That's a weird threat it is a little different all
right, that's weird I got him,yeah, my right shoulder's kind
of injured.

Speaker 4 (02:26:49):
I got legs.

Speaker 1 (02:26:58):
I got legs I got legs , get your fucking arm out.
All right, boys, relax.
You just ripped him out of thecar.
I understand that, but then youput three full-grown men on top
of him and expect him to gethis arm out from underneath him.

Speaker 2 (02:27:12):
Take a breath.
He gave up at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
Yeah, he gave up.

Speaker 2 (02:27:15):
He gave up.

Speaker 1 (02:27:17):
Get him out, handcuff him this is where having a
little bit of grappling traininggoes a long way.
So somebody can say, hey, hey,hey, hey, boys, relax, all of
our body weight's on him.
We got to let him get his armout.
Hold on there, we go.

(02:27:50):
That was it.
Okay, you can't park there.
Can't park there really tooearly for that.
Um, yeah, so that I don't knowanybody got a problem with that
one.
I, I didn't have a a bigproblem.
I mean, I obviously can tellthere was some grappling issues
at the end.
Uh, I say grappling Controltactics issues.
They weren't as confident intheir control tactics, but I
understand why they ripped themout of the car.
Everything was.
I was okay with that.
I think they were worked up andthat could be from inexperience

(02:28:14):
.
I'm not going to get on themfor that.
I can't expect everybody tohave what we got across the
panel here.
We've all been doing it, youknow almost 20 years plus, so
you know we're not out thererunning and gunning anymore.
So I won't get on them for that.
But everybody in the commentsseems to oh Country Girl said is

(02:28:36):
their goal to end people ratherthan to stop them?
No, sometimes we escalate ourthreats though, so we don't have
to use force, and this issomething that people get
convoluted Like.
I'm not saying you're doingthis Country Girl intentionally,
but if I tell you, don't moveor I'll end you.

(02:28:56):
And you don't move, well, thatbluff worked Awesome.
Now I don't have to use force,but if you do and you start
reaching down for something, Itold you.
I told you what would happen.
I gave you the most cryptic wayI could tell you to prevent you
from doing anything stupid.

(02:29:17):
The threat isn't there becausethey want to end somebody.
It's there so they don't doanything.
You're trying it's a last-ditcheffort to prevent them from
doing anything.
I've told people don't move,don't move, stop fucking moving.
If you move, I will fuckingshoot you.
Because what was Homeboy doing?
Digging down into his pants.

(02:29:39):
And as soon as I said don'tmove or I'll fucking shoot you,
he instantly went back up tothis.

Speaker 2 (02:29:46):
And just so the people are watching.
The last thing that these lawenforcement officers want to do
is discharge around.
The last thing they want to dois end a life.
The last thing they want to dois have their life ended, to be
able to not go home to theirfamily.
So they're running all thesescenarios through their head
much faster than you're watchingthis video, and it's going to

(02:30:10):
be comprised on them in twoyears, once this thing finally
goes to court.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
And he tried to ram them with a 2,000-pound vehicle
multiple, multiple times.
He even heard the guy.

Speaker 2 (02:30:19):
My shoulder's jacked up.
Hey, there's a good question on.

Speaker 1 (02:30:23):
There are warning shots authorized no, no, no, no,
no no seeing what.
What paper in that's how youknow brandar's military back
back in 1985, yeah, they wereallowed.

Speaker 2 (02:30:36):
And also back in what ?
1983?
You were allowed to shoot whatyou considered to be a fleeing
felon in the back.
Yes, am I wrong or am I right?

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
no, you're correct, you could, but it's not
necessarily right.
Um, yeah, but and mike bringsup a good point.
Yeah, this is an outlier, butyeah, I I'll agree with you on
this one, mike.
He's not according to PhilipBrailsford or Sandra.
I don't know the PhilipBrailsford one, but I do know
the Sandra Massey one.
That's the boiling water.
And, yeah, I think we agreewith that one.

(02:31:08):
That was a bullshit shoot.
Should have never happened.
So let's go to our last videohere Share screen, share screen,
share screen.
There it is, and this one istitled what Armed intruder Share
.
There we go, biggie size Ba-bow, ba-bow.

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Anybody recognize that?
All right and play.

Speaker 7 (02:31:43):
All right, sarge, I'm going to go back up with RJ.
Hey, sarge, she said she's seenhim multiple times walking
around out here, so he doesprobably live here.

Speaker 8 (02:31:54):
Like we're in Houston .
Yep.
This is person.
Probably Bloods always means agood time.

Speaker 1 (02:32:06):
I put gloves on on every call.
Yep, it's not like touchingpeople, and if I have to touch
somebody I want to do itbarehanded.
Sounds like a domestic.
So it sounds like a domestic.
So it sounds like a domestic hewas talking about.
You know, this guy has beenknown to walk around here.

(02:32:27):
So as I'm approaching, I'm justgoing to keep my head on a
swivel, make sure that this guydoesn't come around.
But really, the way that thesecalls end up going is it's just
the caller is up in theapartment and you go and you
check on him medically.

Speaker 8 (02:32:42):
Anybody else have a different it sounds like he
knows, maybe knows at least,maybe the female victim or maybe
knows this apartment has beenthere before, like he's.
He's relaying information oflike hey, it tells me that he's
not.
This isn't the first timethey've pulled up.

Speaker 1 (02:32:58):
Yeah I agree, it seems like they got experience
here yep here's somebody yelling, so I would be going 13, 13.

Speaker 7 (02:33:17):
I need units back here.
I think I got eyes on thesuspect 13-13,.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
I need units back here.
I think I got eyes on thesuspect when.

Speaker 7 (02:33:24):
Back at the original location.

Speaker 4 (02:33:28):
Hey, come, here Come here Police department.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
Police department Lace your fucking ass.
Alright, if I'm in a chase, I'mgoing to try to get some
information out.
It's a downtime, I can't touchhim.
I can't handle business as Ilike to say, so I'm going to be
saying something over the radio.
Anybody got anything?

Speaker 8 (02:34:07):
different.
You say you are you're handlingit by running.
Yeah, yeah, I'm running towardshim, but now let people know
what you're doing so you can getsome other people.

Speaker 3 (02:34:17):
Yeah it looked like like communication is
communication is key in thissituation.
Yeah, because now you're doingso, you can get some other
people.
Yeah, it looks likeCommunication is key in this
situation.

Speaker 1 (02:34:23):
Yeah, because now you're on an island by yourself
and nobody knows where the hellyou're at if you get into
contact with this guy.
Like you said, there seems tobe a history here, so he seemed
to recognize the guy.
So there's some sort of visualrecognition and this guy ran
from him.
The guy, but there's some sortof visual recognition and this

(02:34:44):
guy ran from him.
I got Taser.

Speaker 7 (02:34:45):
Let's hear it.
Let's hear it.
He has a gun.
He has a gun.
Let us hear it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:54):
Alright, things change.
He got the Taser out.
He had a partner with him.
We didn't know that, so thatdoes help.
Maybe that's why he wasn thetaser out.
He had a partner with him.
We didn't know that, so thatdoes help.
Maybe that's why he wasn'tcalling things out.
He went to go taser for the guyrunning.
Okay, I'm not, I don't disagreewith that.
It looks like he was gettingoutran, so you need something to
catch up with him, and itsounds like it was a violent

(02:35:21):
offense.
It was a possible domestic iswhat it sounded like, because
she was injured and now we'veseen a gun called out a gun.
I love that.
I love the fact that thisofficer has seen it and he
called it out immediately.
That communication helpsbecause we're watching on body
cam.
We're the witnesses, right,we're potential jurors.
Now we know exactly when thisofficer saw this gun.
No shots have been fired yet.

Speaker 7 (02:35:45):
By either side that I've heard.
He has a gun.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
Suspect has a gun potentially turned.
They fired.
But we're like let's get on himnow.
Is that just me?
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:36:35):
You've got to get on it.
Control the situation.
We don't know what his state isafter that.
You've got to get.
After that, he still has a gun.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
Let's get that.
Get him under control.

Speaker 8 (02:36:47):
I've seen this one and, without giving too much
away, they blur things out thatyou, I or anybody else if we
seen exactly what these officersare seeing in the same exact
view, you would know that you.
There's definitely no need torender any care.
I don't know if they've said ityet and we just missed it, but

(02:37:10):
one of the officers does stateit, because somebody comes up
and talks about wanting torender care or secure the
suspect, but somebody sayssomething about where one of the
rounds hit and it's veryobvious that there's no need.

Speaker 4 (02:37:32):
You good yeah.
Yeah, Eric, are you okay?
Yeah?
You're good Are you doing workUp there I heard you, you guys

(02:37:52):
are you okay, yeah, right.

Speaker 7 (02:37:56):
When y'all ran to the corner I heard y'all say he has
a gun.

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
And then I saw it at the master gunnery sergeant of
the fucking police departmentyeah so what is with that?

Speaker 2 (02:38:06):
I'm not here to downgrade the rankings of people
, but come on.

Speaker 1 (02:38:11):
That's ridiculous.
He's a first sergeant, sergeantgunnery.

Speaker 2 (02:38:16):
He's an E-14.

Speaker 8 (02:38:18):
Yeah, one of the things that we were talking
about getting on the radio.
He even said I heard you guyswere running and then heard you
guys yelling gun coming aroundthe corner.
One of the things about thisthat you might want to get on
the radio that you're actuallychasing someone.
You might have a blue on bluesituation.
Just think you turn that cornerand it's dark.
You're running.
You got a gun in your hand.

(02:38:38):
They don't know that you'rerunning.
They know that they're supposedto be looking for someone.

Speaker 2 (02:38:42):
I can see another unit there up the street.

Speaker 1 (02:38:46):
Yep, all right.
All weapons recovered.
All weapons recovered.
Huh, all weapons recovered.

Speaker 7 (02:38:52):
He came up to me and asked me who I was.
Let me get your camera.

Speaker 4 (02:39:08):
I couldn't tell what he had in his hand.

Speaker 8 (02:39:13):
Somebody was on the radio.

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
Southeast.
What is that?

Speaker 8 (02:39:22):
Southeast Radio districts Checking by sending a
message South there there's agun.

Speaker 1 (02:39:29):
Well, they're running right at him.
Yep, yep, yep.
General close.

Speaker 8 (02:39:34):
Big Sarge does.
Show me your hands now.

Speaker 4 (02:39:36):
Now, show me your hands.
Oh, clear shot.
Gsw to the head, gsw doing it.
Five shots fired, okay, okay.

Speaker 8 (02:39:48):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:39:54):
Okay, did anybody see something?

Speaker 8 (02:40:04):
Here's how you can articulate it he sees the gun.
The suspect's not complyingwith his instructions.
The two police officers arerunning behind him.
I can believe that would be thesuspect.

Speaker 1 (02:40:14):
I get that, I understand that, but I did not
see anything in his hands at themoment.

Speaker 3 (02:40:22):
I didn't either.

Speaker 1 (02:40:23):
I'm gonna go back.
I would like to see that again.

Speaker 4 (02:40:35):
Now, show me your hands.
Show me your hands.

Speaker 1 (02:40:41):
Okay, he's pulling his pants up or digging in his
pants.

Speaker 2 (02:40:44):
Look at his right hand.

Speaker 1 (02:40:45):
I'm trying to be as it's kind of yeah, the right
hand is behind him, so the righthand, if you can see my mouse,
would be over here.
It's behind him.
It's not visible.
Okay, show me your hands.
Okay, bladed stance.
He's stopping.

Speaker 4 (02:41:02):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:41:06):
Do you see anything?
No, not yet, and I didn't seeanything in his hands, guys.

Speaker 8 (02:41:28):
And he was slowing down.

Speaker 1 (02:41:34):
Go back and now again .
This is the freedom that wehave.

Speaker 8 (02:41:35):
Yeah, yeah, we get to rewind and do all this I
understand that go back and thenplay it at like 0.5 or 0.25
speed so we can get as manyframes as possible hold on a
second.

Speaker 1 (02:41:44):
I gotta remember how to do that.
Just one below, there you go.
Oh, sleep time.
Playback, playback speed.
There we go, 0.5.
Is that too slow?
We'll try it.

Speaker 8 (02:41:58):
We'll see.
The audio will sound weird,Okay let me go.
But we're looking for theframes to try to potentially see
what this big Sarge scene.
All right, let's go.

Speaker 4 (02:42:10):
Now, now, show me your hands.

Speaker 3 (02:42:19):
Oh there, it is there , it is there, it is Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:42:26):
I didn't see anything .

Speaker 3 (02:42:28):
Whenever I saw him, at least what appeared to me.
There was a shiny object in hishand.
The way he came around him.

Speaker 1 (02:42:39):
Yeah, I mean it's not possible.
Here's why I say it could bepossible, because when they get
there they say the gun's rightthere like they can see it or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:42:49):
And we all know, as law enforcement, from what's
being played back on the videoversus what your naked eyes
seeing it's, it's, it's a bigdifference and especially in
reference to an object that'sgoing to have shine, it's your,
your eyes are going to pick up alot more on that than what the
video is picking up on a on abody camera.

Speaker 1 (02:43:05):
Yep, I the the one, the guy I was telling you guys
about earlier that I threatenedto shoot.
He had a pair of glasses thathe had sharpened down into like
a shank, but when I saw it inhis hand I thought he had a gun.
I didn't know what the fuck itwas.
Luckily he chucked it and ran.

Speaker 2 (02:43:28):
An answer to some of these questions coming up.
What was the probable cause forthe whole thing?
Assault, bodily injury, familyviolence is the reason I believe
that we're here.
To begin with assault, bodilyinjury, family violence.
So we have every reason to stopand figure out what's going on,
based on a crime that was thatwas reported through 9-1-1, and
the officers at the door yeahand the officer visually

(02:43:49):
recognized the person.

Speaker 1 (02:43:50):
He said that's him, like yeah, and he called it out
and he went over to him.
So I mean that goes a long way.
So, um, let's uh show me yourhands.

Speaker 3 (02:44:04):
Show me your hands oh , there's something there there
it is that could be it that'sexactly what I saw just a second
ago on that last clip thatcould be it right there.

Speaker 8 (02:44:23):
Yep, that looks like a gun and he's got now when he's
articulating this.
This is a very straight line ofsight, about 10 or 15 feet away
from him.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
Yeah, clear and unobstructed view.

Speaker 8 (02:44:38):
I've given him clear commands.

Speaker 1 (02:44:40):
That could be it right there.
That's enough for me to atleast give this.
I mean, I wasn't almost upuntil right here, guys, I wasn't
giving this guy anything, butthat right there, that says a
lot.
That even looks like a gun,even more.
Yep, yeah, that looks like agun, even that right there again

(02:45:07):
, yeah, that looks like a gun inthe hand.
It doesn't look like a personthat's trying to drop it either.
It looks like a person that'strying to suicide by cop.

Speaker 2 (02:45:16):
Then you have to go back to the whole reasonable and
prudent yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:45:22):
Those two lights behind him are the people
chasing him too.

Speaker 1 (02:45:25):
Yeah, the cop's coming.

Speaker 8 (02:45:26):
Also just called out he's got a gun, he's got a gun,
he's got a gun.
Yep, that also just called outhe's got a gun, he's got a gun,
he's got a gun.

(02:45:47):
Yep, yes, I was in the house.

Speaker 1 (02:45:50):
Shots fired.

Speaker 4 (02:45:51):
5 shots fired hey let's get units out of here.
Another sergeant 1307,.
I'm the one that shot.
Yes, yes hands, hands, hold it.

(02:46:32):
Air shot's fired.
One suspect GSW to the head.

Speaker 1 (02:46:38):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (02:46:39):
He's communicating, he's letting them know.

Speaker 1 (02:46:42):
Yeah, I want to see where this gun gets picked up
from.
It would help us understandmore.

Speaker 4 (02:46:55):
We are at Rook Street , just south of Belfort.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
Give me that tape right here.
No one touch the gun there wego.

Speaker 7 (02:47:03):
That answers it.
Yeah, yep, that answers it.

Speaker 1 (02:47:36):
We saw it in the hand right there.
That's crazy man Goes to showyou.
Yeah, that's that is all wehave for videos.
I'm just looking at what peopleoh, actually, oh shit, did I
get rid of it?
Let me give me one second.

(02:47:58):
I'm going to pull that videodescription up.
Where is it at?
Here it is.
I'm going to read it real quick, just so we know the details.
I'm going to read it real quick, just so we know the details.
Houston police responded to anassault call that occurred at an
apartment complex on BelfortStreet, learned that the suspect
, armed with a weapon, forcedentry into a female apartment

(02:48:20):
and physically assaulted thevictim.
Officers located the suspect inthe area, attempted to make
contact with him when he fled onfoot, attempted to evade.
During the foot pursuit,suspect fell and grabbed what
appeared to be a handgun fromhis waistband.
That is not what we saw.
He did not fall.
He fell when he got shot.
Sergeant Terrell was respondingto a separate call for service

(02:48:47):
at a residence nearby when heobserved the armed man running
towards the officers chasing him, with officers chasing him.
The sergeant gave the suspectverbal commands to stop and he
refused to comply.
The armed suspect continued toapproach the sergeant.
The sergeant just charged hisweapon, striking the suspect.
At least once Houston FireDepartment paramedics responded

(02:49:08):
on the scene and pronounced thesuspect deceased.
No other officers were injured.
Well, they didn't really give usa whole lot of information, did
they?
So that is weird that he wasthere on another call.
It's a busy area.
Yeah, oh shit, all right, letme close these guys out here.
See what everybody is.

(02:49:29):
Let's get even here.
Give our even size windows, ourBrady.

Speaker 8 (02:49:35):
Bunch windows.
Ha ha Jinx, is that what yousaid?
Yep, I said Brady Bunch.
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (02:49:40):
Wait, aren't LEO supposed to stop, not kill?
I mean, yeah, they are, unlessyou pull a fucking gun out.

Speaker 8 (02:49:51):
Aren't suspects supposed to stop not kill.

Speaker 1 (02:49:52):
I mean, yeah, they are unless you pull a fucking
gun out, aren't suspects you'resupposed to stop when you got a
gun pointed at you.
You're running from police, yeahstop not necessarily trying to
kill, but you're sure shit gonnatry to stop the threat that
pulls a gun out at you.
He's looking for a safe spotand, trust me, up until we slow

(02:50:14):
moated, then went in and wentfarther for the longest on this
one, I didn't think he had ajustification to shoot.
I think we all kind of gotthere and then we kept breaking
it down and went a little bitmore and yeah, um, mike, we go
back talking about fleeing andeluding.

Speaker 3 (02:50:31):
No, we can't, we're done you know, at the end of the
day, if our training is to stopthe threat and if stopping the
the threat means that, motorfunctions that that the guy dies
will yeah, I, I'm not trying.

Speaker 1 (02:50:50):
I don't want him to die.
I'm hoping the bullets don't,but it's what we have.
We don't have phasers set tostun yet.
I cannot wait for that tohappen.
I trust science will get thereone day so I can have my Star
Trek weapon.

Speaker 2 (02:51:06):
If we had a reason or a way to frigging freeze.
Go remove said weapon.
Said weapon taken to custodyall day long.
Yeah, all day freaking long manso, craig?

Speaker 1 (02:51:18):
craig holcomb asked he, was he looking for a safe
spot to lay down?
We don't know.
I can tell you this if that'sthe case, why pull the gun out?
Why have that gun?
I'm telling you for me.
If I've got guns pointed at me,the first thing I'm going to do
is try to make it veryabundantly clear that I am
giving up and I surrender.

(02:51:38):
The universal sign of surrenderis putting your hands up with
nothing in them, that's not whatI saw there.

Speaker 8 (02:51:44):
I think personally that it was suicide by cop I'll
ask who day first, and then,when they say police, then I'll
start running he did ask thatwho day, who day?

Speaker 1 (02:51:58):
yep, he did.

Speaker 8 (02:52:00):
I guess that's when he identified himself, and then
that's what the chance was, andthen he did run.

Speaker 1 (02:52:04):
Once they told him he was police he ran um.
Head seems a little ways awayfrom that.
Well, I don't know that he shothim in the head intentionally.
Anybody that's got any sort ofweapons training that's a
fucking hard thing to do.
Just might have been he aimedcenter mass and that's where it

(02:52:25):
ended up.

Speaker 8 (02:52:27):
Can we not put a little blame to the guy that
allegedly hit a woman and ranfor the cops?
Yeah, could some of thisevening's action.

Speaker 1 (02:52:36):
I know that is a little disappointing stance that
we don't see enough of fromy'all in the community.
It's like when do you startputting some of this blame on
the person that brought a gun,went into a house, assaulted a
woman?

Speaker 3 (02:52:52):
See, that's the problem with the world.
There's a severe lack ofaccountability anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:52:59):
I want to have the police accountability.
I do want to have that too.
100%.

Speaker 2 (02:53:04):
But the accountability of everybody
living within the borders of theUnited States as well.

Speaker 3 (02:53:10):
That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:53:13):
Yeah.
So, um, now, trust me I andwhen we talking about headshots
and stuff like that, like I amnot the greatest pistol shot in
the world, but ever since I gota red dot I got a lot better.
But that still doesn't mean amoving target that I can't get
shot confirmation on.
And what I mean is, like whenwe go shoot at a range, I can
see when I hit the paper targetand in looking at that as a bad

(02:53:36):
habit to do, but you, you don'tget that.
When you shoot a person, youcan't see the bullets go in, you
can't see that you hit them, soyou just have to wait until
their behavior stops.
And this guy got them in thehead, could this?

Speaker 2 (02:53:50):
one was just real quick on this.
If you would have listened toverbal direction on the
beginning of this gave up thegun, stopped, went into custody.
He could have defended himselfin a court of law based on the
whole reason.
Law enforcement was there tobegin with and it would not be a
fatality.
Soak that in for a second.

(02:54:11):
Whoever is dismaying what lawenforcement unfortunately had to
do on this, I guarantee youthat sergeant, everybody
involved in this, they'rethey're going to think about
this for the rest of theirfreaking lives, even though they
had a just what you know I hateto use the word justified
shooting.
Now they have to think aboutthis for the rest of their

(02:54:32):
frigging lives.
That's the last thing theywanted to frigging do.

Speaker 1 (02:54:36):
Yeah, craig, I 200% blame him for the gun and
assault, but it's more fun to bepart of the red team in the
conversation.
I get it.
It is fun.
I'm with you, brother.
Hell yeah, I can't blame you onthat one.
Steve said how would somebodysurrender with a gun, and I
agree that can be difficult attimes.
But I tell you this Don't grabthe gun, just keep your hands up

(02:54:59):
, make them visible.

Speaker 8 (02:55:01):
I see you.
You're the police.
I have a weapon on me.
Here's my hands.
My hands are up, my hands areup, my hands are up.
What do you want me to do?

Speaker 3 (02:55:09):
yeah, and then listen to their instructions the way
that guy was holding the gun.
If he would have just droppedit right there, no problem.
But instead he decided to startraising that hand up and that's
where the threat was comingfrom and that's whenever the

(02:55:30):
sergeant shot and he made thedecision that the suspect is the
one that made the decision thathe was going to escalate things
to where they did, because theywere really trying to get him
to stop.

Speaker 2 (02:55:45):
And so people understand this.
Houston speaks very direct onthis.
And I'm not talking about theshotgun to the friggin face that
almost unalived houston.
Okay, I'm talking about a callthat when I went off duty and I
got down to my boxers and myundershirt and I was able to
breathe and houston went on dutyhere in the county that we work

(02:56:07):
, and then then a few minuteslater I get a call that a gun
was pointed at Houston and he'sin a standoff with a person
through our dispatch.
So I went back on duty, went atover 136 miles an hour at 1217
in the morning with no traffic,trying to get to Houston because

(02:56:28):
he's by himself with a guy witha gun.
And I didn't know all thedetails when me as a supervisor
looked at Houston's body camera.
The guy presented a gun up andHouston decided to save that
gentleman's life, duck out ofcover and shatter his fucking
knee.
He wanted to verbally even givemore warnings before taking

(02:56:52):
somebody's life and I knowHouston didn't even want me to
bring this up.
But we do everything we can inlaw enforcement for a frigging
reason and I have the video forthat, you know.
Can we show that out there?
No, we can't, but I'vephysically watched it as a
supervisor on duty.
Houston didn't want to frigging, unalive somebody for something

(02:57:12):
that it's justified or whatever.
He was able to take a differentposition.
Talk to the person.
They both had to come to Jesusmeeting and were able to leave
it at that.
Nobody frigging died.
Law enforcement does this dayin and day out.
The last thing a cop with abadge wants to do is take
somebody's life.

(02:57:33):
That's the reason we have thesepeople on this panel.
We've been there.
We've done that.
The last thing we want to do isthat we just try to give you
our opinions on this period.

Speaker 1 (02:57:43):
Yeah, I really liked Brandar's comment.
Where'd it go?
There it is.
He said maybe it was a SIG andhe didn't want it to blow up
like that.
For anybody that's kept up withthe SIG 320, is that what it is
in the military?
Yeah, I'm going off on its ownand the military stopped on the

(02:58:07):
Skerritt.

Speaker 3 (02:58:08):
Yeah, it's the M17 and M18 platform.
Yeah, get's the M17 and.

Speaker 1 (02:58:11):
M18 platform, Yep.
So yeah, get rid of that gun.
Well boys.
We're right at three hours.
I was about to end it.
Hi Banning, Good night.
Banning's not listening.
He already checked out, he'sgoing to get back and we're
going to be off, but no, it wasa good episode.
Jerry said yeah, P320.
That's what it is.

(02:58:32):
Yeah, yeah, the P320.
Just biggie-sized banning andlet it stream all night.
King Pomegranate.
What did the woman do, though?
That's an asshole.
Some questions that no one'sasking you guys have been out of
control tonight.
I don't understand what's goingon anyway.

(02:58:54):
Uh, houston, you got anyparting words, sir?

Speaker 3 (02:58:58):
hey, uh, you know, guys, let's, let's start.
Uh, you know you want policeaccountability, but let's, uh,
let's start talking about whatcitizen accountability looks
like too yeah, I like it beingeven.
Yeah, you know, a hundredpercent, you know.
Uh, I agree with you 100%, eric, that the police need to be

(02:59:18):
held accountable for theiractions.
But at the same time, man, uhlet's start teaching decency of
respect and uh let's uh startgoing back to uh complying with
authority in the world.
Then things will most assuredlyget better.

Speaker 1 (02:59:36):
Yeah, agreed, anything there, mr Deadleg?

Speaker 8 (02:59:40):
No, I have surgery tomorrow and then next week I
will be in Birmingham, alabama,at Police Fleet Expo.
Oh yeah, I'm getting in.
I'm going to get in.
I'm trying to get in Mondaynight, but I'll probably be
there for sure.
Tuesday, wednesday and Thursday.
We present Wednesday withBearded 3D and then Thursday
we'll be on the floor and we'llbe at our booth.

(03:00:03):
I believe it's On Point.
It's one of the outfitters thathas a booth there.
That will be there, but I'll bethere on the floor all day.
Okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (03:00:10):
Banning any parting words, sir no, sir, I appreciate
everybody that, uh that stuckaround on this.
Uh, I think this was a greatshow man yeah, agreed, I thought
it was a fun one.

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through.
So sorry about that, guys, anduh, just just how it goes
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We're gonna try to have someguests guests obviously next
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(03:02:10):
I want to get a video switcherand be able to do this on the
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So be fun and hopefully banningone day gets a camera like a
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So, um, we'll have to get themgoing there dead leg.
But other than that, boys, Igot nothing everybody good, are
you hanging into Discord after?

(03:02:31):
I am not.
No, I am going to bed.
I got to go Night-night.

Speaker 2 (03:02:35):
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minutes, but Houston and I got along road trip tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (03:02:43):
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I like it, you guys finallygetting the surgery Cool.

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We're all getting surgerytomorrow.

Speaker 1 (03:02:51):
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When Police Encounters Go Sideways: Officers Share Insights and Analysis

On Purpose with Jay Shetty