When Policing Goes Wrong: A Conversation with John J Wiley on Law Enforcement Accountability

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I am your host, eric Levine,here again with the Banning
Sweatland and the man behind thescenes, alan Nelson, who's out
front today, and our specialguest, john J Wiley.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's a pleasure to be here with you all Doing very
well tonight.
I'm actually pretty excited,eric, both Eric and Banning have
been on my show before.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Alan not yet, oh, not yet.
Uh-oh, that may be somethingfor our followers.
Alan's got his own cultfollowing.
John Alan he's normally ourbehind the scenes guy, but when
we have an extra space, causetypically we have three of us,
as you know hosts, co-hosts, andwe try to we try to limit who's

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on the on the front, but Alan,he gets to jump in all the time
while he's running things behindthe scenes Cause he does our
Instagram, our TikTok, ourDiscord, our what else do you do
, alan?
I mean it doesn't stop.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I make sure Instagram's working.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Oh, is that what's going on?
I hear you, I make sure.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Instagram, by the way , alan's got this and I can't
remember the actor.
He's got this doppelgangergoing on of some famous
hollywood actor.
Always plays a goofball.
I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Right away, alan, maybe you know and talk about
that's funny because alanusually plays the goofball for
us.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, that's generally how I I smell a new
hashtag coming hollywood alan, Ismell a new hashtag by the way,
he reminds me a little bit ofthe, the guy from I'm just not
saying about the prisonShawshank Redemption, that's who

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he reminds me of, that guy Andywhatever his name was kind of
creepy looking on Allen, butit's good.
It's good on you.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'll take that.
I'll take that.
I see it now that you mentionit.
Yeah, absolutely so, john.
I want people to getcomfortable with you, know who
you are, know where you're from.
Can you give them a little bitof background about your history
with law enforcement?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, I'm a retired police sergeant from the
Baltimore City Maryland PoliceDepartment.
I did a little over 11 years.
I got hurt and retired.
A long story short a guy triedto shoot me with my service
revolver that's how long ago itwas while still in my hand and I
thought I sprained my wrist andwe had shots being fired off at

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his face my face, I thought.
I sprained my wrist, I hadthree surgeries, a couple of
steel plates put in my righthand, which you can see right
now, and I was retired at theripe old age of 33 and then
slowly began pursuing, around1999, the audio podcasting space
.
Before the podcast was audioblogs.
I did my first one.

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Then I had a brokered radioshow where I paid for my time
two hours every Saturday night,then went to night school and
I've been a full-time music jockfor just about 19 years.
And in 2017, I took everythingI learned from radio and created
.
Back then it was called the LawEnforcement Today podcast and

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we got quickly recruited byradio stations, first one being
in upstate New York.
We had 13 stations Iself-affiliated with,
self-syndicated with.
Now we're syndicated by TalkMedia Network.
We have 146 radio stations.
We broadcast AM, fm radiostations across the United
States.
We broadcast weekly about 48million combined population.

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Then episodes go online as apodcast.
So that's the Reader's Digestcondensed version of it.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I love it, I love it.
So my question is did you knowthat you had a voice for radio?
Because it's buttery.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I got.
There's two stories that reallystick out.
One was I was walking foot onreisterstown road in baltimore,
maryland.
I walked into a barber shop andthey looked at me like the guy
was there.
He's a sales rep for some radiostation and he goes man, you
could be selling all kinds ofproducts.

(04:59):
You got a great voice.
You should be doing afrosheenand all those commercials.
I'm like, okay, sign me up.
I'm good for that, because I waslike three steps above broke
working back then with baltimorepolice department.
Uh, secondly, long story short,when, when I was a rookie cop
and we had to go downtown onmidnight shift, we were always

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told to call our dispatchers andsee if they need anything,
because they were locked in.
They couldn't get out out, so Icalled in.
I had to come downtown forreports.
It was midnight shift, it wasabout three o'clock in the
morning.
They made the coffee orders.
I picked them up, I drove in,they buzzed me in and I was like
I've got coffee for you guys.
They looked at me like who areyou?

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I'm 635 unit.
And they went.
Looked at me like who are you?
I'm 635 unit.
And they went oh, the dispatcher, you can see her jaw go.
She's like we always thoughtyou were black.
Yeah, sunny.
Sunny is a police officer.
He goes and turns out you're.
We thought you're very white,turns out you're very white.

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And from then then on I wasknown as Barry White and it kind
of stuck, especially with bad,stinking DOA calls hey, barry,
what's going on?
And it was a bad one.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Very white, oh my.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
God, Very white yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
That is fantastic.
That's true story.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's so funny.
Okay, so what year did you getin?
I started in October of 1980and I retired in February of 92.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh man, you went through the heyday of policing.
Well, we went through Baltimorein the area I worked in.
It was always really heavy innarcotics with.
Heroin was always a big problem, cocaine was a problem and then
this thing called crack cocainecame in and changed the
dynamics and Baltimore wasalways uber violent.

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And it has been I always sayjokingly since the War of 1812.
It's been very, very violent.
And back when I started, ourstarting pay, eric and Banning,
was $13,280 a year, killing Fourdepartments.
On our own I ate mac and cheese, cup of noodles and all that
stuff.

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I get a roommate to have anapartment, so, but I was getting
shot at the very first time forunder $14,000 a year.
And nowadays I look at cops andthey complain about making a
hundred grand and I go, yeah,things have changed quite a bit,
because, man, what I could dowith a hundred grand compared to
13, it was a big difference.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to the chats real quick.
We got somebody named two box.
I want to get to his question.
He had a question and he saidI've heard that being nice to a
cop can go a long way whenyou're pulled over.
It might even help you avoid aticket.
But how do you actually be nicewithout incriminating yourself?
Well, let me chime in here.

(07:57):
You can be nice and just goback and forth with pleasantries
.
Hey, sir, how are you Good togo?
Hey, the thing you got to.
This is what I don't like withcertain cops.
One thing that I don't like isthe setup question.
You know the setup question,benny, do you know why I pulled
you over?
I absolutely hate it.

(08:19):
I like the what is it?
They call it the seven-stepviolator thing.
Hey, I'm Officer Levine fromsuch and such department.
The reason I pulled you over isbecause of this.
Is there any reason that youdid this?
While you're at it, can I getyour license, registration and
proof of insurance?
Now they know why I pulled youover and I've hopefully disarmed
them from being defensive andthey can choose to answer that
question or not.

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But that doesn't mean you haveto be an asshole.
You can be nice, and definitionof nice is subjective.
So I like a person that'sstraight to the point.
Nope, I don't know why I didthat.
Here's my license and insurance.
Okay, cool.

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Really, what I'm going to end updoing and what I've seen most
cops do is they go back and theyjust look at your record oh,
he's never been pulled over.
Or oh, he's got 18.
And what I've seen most cops dois they go back and they just
look at your record oh, he'snever been pulled over.
Or oh, he's got 18 tickets inthe last four months.
This dude's not learning.
These are all factors in howthey deal with things.
Me personally, you guys knowI'm not a big ticket guy, period
.
I'm going to tell you what youdid.

(09:20):
I'm going to try to tell youhow to avoid.
You know how to avoid it andand hopefully it's just a short
little educational thing hey,the reason why I pulled you over
is because you were doing 25over.
You're doing something I reallywouldn't do myself and I don't
want to be a hypocrite cop, sothat's why I pulled you.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Please slow it down and hopefully everything's cool
from there and my whole thing,just to even add onto what Eric
is saying is and I'm not a Ericand I I don't think Eric was is
a big ticket writer.
We've said that before.
I've never been a big, I'vealways been more of a beat cop
out there mingling with thepeople.
But yeah, in the downtime, youknow, working, uh, interdiction
stuff and working stops andstuff like that I may stop 40

(09:59):
people in a shift and I maywrite one citation in a school
zone.
I'm just not a big, bigcitation writer but my thing
where I'm getting at is anybodyI stop and every FTO, I believe,
taught me wrong.
They always said when youinitiate that traffic stop, you
need to know in your head ifyou're going to write them a
ticket or not before you makecontact.
And I disagree with that becausethat first 10 seconds when I'm

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up at the window introducingmyself, stating the violation on
why they're stopped, theirresponse of things coming to me,
because I treat it as acase-by-case scenario because it
is.
I mean, there's so many thingsthat go on in people's lives and
I could never make thatdetermination of somebody just
going by saying I'm going towrite them a ticket.
You go up there.

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I'm nor a judge or a jury andthat citation is to to bring
them to the courts and let themdo that thing.
But that would always be myfirst 10 seconds with that
person is was my kind ofdetermining factor.
You had to run them and seeobviously there's a felony
warrant or something like that.
Of course we have to act onthat, but the misdemeanor

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traffic warrants and stuff ouragency allowed us to use our own
discretion on a traffic stop.
But my whole thing was thatfirst 10 second interaction with
the person.
Then I'd know whether or not ifI was going to write them a
citation and give them a warningand cut them on their way.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
What do you got, John ?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I hated traffic, I despise traffic and everybody
that ever wrote I wrote a ticketfor talked their way into it by
calling me names, beingargumentative, whatever it might
be.
Back in Maryland back in theday I don't know what things are
like we were always taught theless conversation the better.

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It wasn't about not being nice,not being professional, it was
you're required to give licenseand registration to a uniformed
officer.
Take a beat on my car.
Not being professional, it wasyou're required to give license
and registration to a uniformedofficer.
They could be done more.
Car didn't matter.
And if they want to argue thatpoint, I didn't even tell you
why I stopped you.
But it got to the point where Iwas so busy in the area I

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worked with robberies, murders,shootings we didn't have time
for traffic.
If I didn't think you had guns,a stolen car or drugs in that
car, I did not want to stop you.
If I did stop you, it's becauseyou ran a red light.
You did something inherentlydangerous and if you were
argumentative, you're going toget a ticket and I'm not going

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to say much of anything.
I'm not going to argue with you.
I'm not going to have a disputewith you in the middle of the
street.
But if you talk to me badly andyou talk to me like I'm a piece
of you, know what you're goingto get treated like that, the
same way.
So a lot of people talk tothemselves in tickets.
And, by the way, I arrested twopeople my entire career for DUI

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Two.
Yeah, both of them swung on me.
That's what you had to do toget me to do something with
traffic.
Wise.
If it was uh street crime is adifferent story, but uh traffic
I despise with passion.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm still not a big fan yeah, perry lemley said john
, I was working long beach incompton, california, as an emt
when crack hit the streets.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Damn man, it changed everything.
It changed everything.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, Jerry Worms.
I don't know if you recognizethe name, John.
He would be great for your show.
By the way, he was the firstofficer ever on cops, oh really.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yes, we can send him an email and I'll reply back.
Here's a question Was the Wirea fair representation of
Baltimore for the era?
Yes and no.
I watched the Wire and Irecognized bits and pieces of
eight or nine cops that I knewpersonally in one character.

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Some of the things they did youwould never get away with
Because we had these peskylittle things called sergeants
and lieutenants.
They actively did their jobs.
They were not allowed to do thethings that they did.
But when crack came through,man, I don't know what it was

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about it, but it went fromviolent, it went from out of
control.
We had PCP, we had heroin,heroin.
We had what they called boat,which was marijuana laced with
pcp, and the only way you canget them under control is by
choking them out.
I don't care what they saidwhen they come to themselves,
these wrist locks and arm barsand finger things.

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They never worked in realscraps.
But uh, when crack came in allof a sudden, within six months
everything changed and it wentfrom violent to ultra violent.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
it was like night and day switch wow, and that and
that goes to show the thecultural difference and change
from the time that you were acop versus what it is now, where
a choke it can't even beentertained unless it's a deadly
force situation.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, we had back in the day, and so in Baltimore we
had what's called the nice deck.
The way you use it is called anS-pantone, which means you use.
We're taught where the barrelhead of it was.
You never hang on.
You hang on to the other partof it.
You spun it around, you did alot of things, but that tool

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kept people away from you and itserved as an intimidation
factor because we all traded inour balsa wood nightsticks for
table legs very, very quickly.
There's two guys that madethese table leg nightsticks and
it kept people at distance andif you got cracked with one of
them it changed the ballgametotally.
So we rarely ever had to resortto deadly force because you had
a nightstick, which was very,very, very useful.
You had chokeholds you hadwhich, by the way, mace, we

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never used.
It was flammable back then Macesaid it only worked on innocent
bystanders and police.
It never worked on the bad guys.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Fair, things have changed, and and the reason
they've changed is because, uh,cops are their own worst enemies
.
Many times they do stupidthings, uh, but um, they're.
The bosses are more concernedwith optics than they are with
the reality.
The reality is in baltimore now, you got families with multiple
kids being killed, not just bypolice, by other people,

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multiple kids in prison, and ifwe went back to the old school
days, a lot of stuff wouldn't behappening.
But it doesn't look good.

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Speaker 7 (17:12):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Alan.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Alan decided.
Andy Dufresne is back, andy.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Dufresne jumps up on the screen there.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
And he had his shirt on.
It's all a plus.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Acorn MagdumpAcorn said.
I remember politely pushingback on the accusation of a CHP
officer and he called BS on me.
When he came back to my windowapparently he decided I was
right and he was wrong.
Hey, that's always a good thing.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Sometimes you are.
Sometimes, look, we're humanbeings doing a superhuman job,
and sometimes you make mistakes.
That's what human beings doinga superhuman job.
And sometimes you make mistakes.
That's what human beings do.
And sometimes, with the casewith cops and we talked about
this before this interviewsometimes they let stuff carry
over.
We don't know where they camefrom and what we see is what we

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think is being out of control,but we don't know what they just
came from.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, yeah, see, is someone what we think is being
out of control, but we don'tknow what they just came from.
Yeah, yep, um, we've got uhharrison brock just dropped uh
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Thank you, harrison.

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Speaker 1 (18:53):
yeah, you know, weird , that is weird.
So the question I pose to youtwo guys because you both kind
of mentioned this is is aattitude check.
If somebody gives you anattitude, then you you're like
fuck them, I'm giving them aticket.
I have always kind of had aproblem with that format.
My dad was a cop.
He retired 30 years and he kindof gave me the wisdom when I

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was younger, before I had becomea cop.
He's like if I find myselfgetting annoyed or mad because
of their behavior, I definitelydon't write a ticket.
He's like if I hadn't decidedyet and I'm making the decision
out of them being an ass, I'mnot writing it and I.
It kind of stuck with me and Iwas like all right, that makes

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sense.
And so I'm curious with withthat, because I know the culture
of policing when, if we'regoing to be honest, that was
kind of how our FTOs taught usoh, if they're being an asshole,
write them.
If we're going to be honest,that was kind of how our FTOs
taught us oh, if they're beingan asshole, write them.
And that's how we were taught.
I remember being taught thatand and I remember telling
myself like, if I'm making thedecision off of my emotion.
I'm not writing it because whenI go to court, my biggest fear

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and this was because of my dad,it wasn't because of experience.
So I want to make this clear.
This was wisdom passed down thatI finally listened to and him
saying if they get you on thestand and they ask what made you
write the ticket and it wasbecause you were pissed off
police that's a no-go and it'snot right.
So I'm curious to you guys whenyou say that you'd write it

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based on that, is it because yougot emotionally wrapped into it
or is it just a a final factorof okay, like I, I tried to be
fair and now you're just beinglike.
You didn't get emotionallycompromised, you wrote it
because of them doing what theywere doing.
I'm just curious.
I'll let you go first.
Banning.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
I never got emotionally involved.
You know when I talk about that10 seconds.
We all have lives.
We all have bad times and goodtimes in our lives and just
because somebody wants to MF meat the window, it doesn't mean
they're a bad person.
I have no clue what happened tothem before they came through
the intersection.
I have no clue what happened tothem this morning or last night
and I always had to try to putmyself in their pants, as I hope

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people would do for me as beingan officer of the law, as I
hope they put themselves in mypants.
And I believed just being fair.
You be fair out there, peopleare going to be fair to you and
that was not always likedbecause I was never going to get
selected for a traffic unitwhich I never wanted to work.
You know I would never beselected for some other deal to
where we're going to go out andconcentrate on tickets.

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That's just not my thing.
I love interacting with people.
So you let your emotions justlike you, eric, I had a.
I had a wise FTO tell me thesame thing Never allow your
emotions get to you, because weare not a punisher, and that
rang clear to me in my firstyear of police work.
We are not the punisher.
We are there to bear witness ofwhat we see right at the best

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that we can, and if it's of anoffense, it gets judged on a
jury of their peers.
So that's how I've alwayslooked at law enforcement my
whole career.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
All right, john, I want to get to you, but before
we do, this was a cool comment.
This show has been so inspiringto me.
Thanks to my wife forsupporting me, I leave for the
Academy in September.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
You're welcome.
Oh yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
John, I would love for you to give some wisdom on
that.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know about wisdom.
See, when I was a rookie cop, Iwas trained by and, by the way,
the academy is great Igraduated number two in my
academy class.
I really thought I had it goingon.
I knew nothing when I hit thestreets nothing.
So I was trained by a lot ofVietnam combat veterans that

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were Baltimore police and we hada few command staff that were
Korean war veterans.
So it was a different time.
But the number one rule theytaught me and this still this I
still it's, it's part of mycharacter always treat people
with respect until they changethe tone of the conversation.

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Then there's no backing down.
So if you were a street cop,like I was, and you get a call
to someone's house and let'sjust say it's domestic, usually
it's alcohol involved.
Whatever we say, joe, it's notour first time to that house.
Hey, look, you can go out, youcan leave, you can have time
with your friends, you can doother stuff.

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Come back tomorrow, things willbe cool.
If you decide you don't want todo that, I'm going to have to
lock you up and I'm going tocall for backup if I need to
fight you, and there's going tobe 50 police showing up with fat
police with mustard stains ontheir shirts and they're not
going to care.
So the really choice is up toyou.
But when we were a street cop,the the treat every respect.

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We treated everybody decentlyand we we had a term that was
called verbal judo back in theday, where we would tell people
in no uncertain terms what washappening, and sometimes that
was rough.
they didn't like it.
And now it's called discourtesyfrom a lot of people when they
use that kind of talk.
But if you allow someone todisrespect you on the street

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corner in front of their friends, then you open yourself up for
that punch, then you openyourself up for the knife fight,
you open yourself up for beingshot.
So you have to find a line andsay this I will not tolerate.
I won't treat you bad, but thisI will not tolerate.
And when they cross that linewhich some did they paid the

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price.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yep, and I think that's an important point to
make, and as somebody that grewup in the Flint area and knowing
that there were certaincircumstances that if you let
somebody punk you that's one ofthe terms that we use If you let
somebody punk you, you havejust opened yourself up to be

(24:44):
open season for people that willvictimize you.
And it's the same in policing,and you know, a good
representation of a small partof that that I love to go back
to is the movie Colors.
If you remember the movieColors, you had Pac-Man and he

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was a rookie cop and he did, heopened himself up a little bit
to be taken advantage of and yousee, like when he stepped up up
, like it doesn't mean you goand violate somebody's rights.
I don't, it's not what I'msaying, but you can't be stepped
on.
So I think that's somethingespecially like with our crowd
that follows, they can, they canunderstand, and so it's it's.

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It is a very fine line.
Uh, mr billfold just said acommon ground for police and
civilians would be that is neverbeneficial to be emotionally
controlled by others.
Agreed, agreed.
I think us all on the paneldefinitely agree with that.
When your emotions start totake over.
It should be your partner's jobto step in and say, hey, I see,
like as a cop, um, if you see,and then if you're a cop and

(25:52):
you're dealing with somebodythat's emotionally compromised
which is going to be themajority you have to be able to
see that and understand it andtry to use the verbal judo, use
the de-escalation I hate theterm de-escalation.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't like it either.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Because it's not.
Everything needs to bede-escalated necessarily.
It just needs to be deescalatednecessarily.
It just needs to be worked.
It needs to be talked throughand have a conversation and
figure out what's going on.
And sometimes there is no roomfor deescalation.
Sometimes you just have to gostraight to business is how it
is.
Perry Lemley, I was taughtverbal judo and I remember the

(26:29):
verbal judo book.
I mean, I had the physical bookthat was called verbal judo.
Yeah, they just repackaged itand figured out a way to make
more money on it.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
That's a funny thing.
And, by the way, de-escalationI was always taught we were
doing that in the 1980s.
Yeah, that's a.
That's a strategy that bothparticipants need to be involved
in.
The cop can't do them himself.
The cop can't do it himself.
The cop can't make you intoSuperman.
They can't make you into onetake on the world.
They can't do any of that stuff.

(27:00):
But they can't make you calmdown.
They can use trickery, they canuse deception, they can use a
lot of things Mind games we usedto play with people to get them
to calm down.
But Eric brought up a greatpoint Every call for service we
had, it was the end of the worldfor them.
It was not a good situation wewere walking into.
So we had to immediately startde-escalating, otherwise

(27:23):
everything would have been ashooting call and said what's
y'all's thoughts on cops gettingput on the Brady list?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I've been told multiple times that's you're not
doing your job if you don't getput on it.
In my opinion, you are on itdue to poor policing.
I don't know who ever told youthat getting put on the Brady
list is like you don't want tobe on the Brady list period Ever
.
That's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Isn't that about dishonesty, false report and all
that stuff?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
So the Brady list for those listening, the Brady list
is basically the courts havefound that your testimony is
untruthful and they're going toput you on this list that says
you can't testify.
Well, if you can't testify, allyour cases are basically null
and void from here on out andmay even go back if you get a

(28:17):
good defense attorney that'sgoing to go check your cases out
and say, hey, he's on the Bradylist.
I want my guy, I want his casedismissed because this guy is
untruthful.
The problem with the Brady list.
So here's the ins and outspolitically.
Sometimes you get a districtattorney that's on a political
move and wants to make a namefor themselves by holding cops

(28:39):
accountable and they will put acop on that Brady list.
Now, the Brady list is onlygood for their county, it's not
good for the nation.
So when you start to learnabout the Brady list, you find
out that there is actually somepolitical corruptness that can
be behind it.
So in some spots, yeah, theBrady list is great and it makes
a lot of sense.
But some of the problems withthe Brady list is and I like to

(29:03):
use, you know, no shots at mybuddy, frank.
Frank got caught up on the Bradylist thing, because of a type,
not a typo.
He was on a night shift and anycop can understand where I'm
coming from on this.
When you get caught on a call.
You already worked your 10,12-hour shift, whatever it is,
and now we're coming up on that14, 16-hour, and you had a

(29:25):
really important call and youwant to make sure you type out
that report as accurately and ashonestly as possible.
You don't want to do it whileyou're tired because it's going
to get fucked up.
So what Frank did was he did thereport the next day but he
backdated it for the day thatthe offense happened.
Well, the DA got him on atechnicality, he changed the

(29:47):
date and now he has a falsereport because he put the wrong
date on there and that wasn'this intention, but that's what
they hemmed him up on.
So I I can see that happening.
That's that's that's him tryingto do it, uh, in a way that he
thought was right and then thatthis da thought was wrong, and

(30:08):
so is what it is.
You can you can agree ordisagree with me, but I
understand where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
There's a couple of questions about the Brady list
and this is after my time inpolicing.
Number one the big term theyuse in Baltimore is false report
.
So if you gave falseinformation you're immediately
suspended.
You're not allowed on thestreet.
So this idea you're stillpulling people over.
I don't know where that comesfrom.
So this idea you're stillpulling people over?
I don't know where that comesfrom.
And, by the way, people seem tobe fascinated with this idea

(30:38):
that police are constantlypulling people over for traffic
violations.
Banning had a great point.
I was so busy 30, 40 calls ashift I didn't have time for
traffic.
It was the lowest thing in thetotem pole.
A slow Sunday morning on daywork maybe we do traffic, but
really very rare.

(30:59):
We pull people over becausewe're just too darn busy from
call to call to call.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah, and I and okay.
So here's the counterbalance toexactly what you're saying.
Yes, I was the same way, likeyou had to find certain windows
of your shift.
If, if that was how you wantedto be proactive and I knew a lot
of officers that like to dothat um were for me.
I like to set up on dope houses,like in our downtime.

(31:24):
That was my thing.
I would go set up on a dopehouse, I would wait for that car
to show up for five seconds, goinside or somebody would run
out to the car and the car wouldleave, and then I I'd find a
traffic offense, knock the cardown and see what I find.
And you know normally you'refinding dope and stuff like that
.
But you know what you'relooking for is the guns, the
violent offenses and stuff likethat.
So that was how I would use mydowntime.

(31:47):
But yes to exactly what you'resaying.
But here's the problem, john, isthere's, there's agency.
Okay, most agencies let's say85%-ish are 20 officers or less.
Oh, yeah, and they signed up.
They've had this dream of beinga cop and going out and
catching murderers and robbersand thieves and in their little

(32:09):
town of 20 officers, the onlything that they have to do to be
proactive which is all the timebecause they're not getting the
calls is knock down cars, andthat is the thing I think a lot
of people are talking about inthese cities, because you worked
at a Baltimore, I work in amajor metropolitan area.
We don't have time for thatstuff.
We don't have time.

(32:29):
So your LAPD, your NYPD,baltimore, these guys Chicago,
they don't have time for thatstuff, and that's hard for
people that are from smallertowns are like bullshit.
They're knocking cars down allday long.
Where I'm at, I can tell youone near me, delaware and Garden
, those guys write more ticketsthan Dallas PD and they're only

(32:50):
like 30 officers deep if that ina one square mile, only like 30
officers deep if that in a onesquare mile.
So that is.
I think that is where a lot ofpeople are coming from when
they're like no, they knock downcars all day long and this is
what they do.
So how?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
do you get that?
And in reference to Coco's nextquestion or her statement, I
wish the public had access tothe Brady List.
You do question of herstatement.
I wish the public had access tothe Brady list.
You do you go to your DA andyou file a FOIA Freedom of
Information Act request on whois currently in 2025 on the DA
that's still an active peaceofficer within this county or
within this district.

(33:27):
They've got 10 days to respondto you and then they got to
follow other stuff you canabsolutely find.
You may not see the details,then you might have to go to
that department and for you anytype of internal affairs that
would be available, but you canabsolutely find that out.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, magdump asked if we had caught the Barns v
Felix Supreme Court case ruling.
Yes, they did actually put avideo out on it.
If you can backtrack and findthat, can backtrack and find
that.
Um, the it's interesting caseread um, I thought it was a, I I
had a certain view on it andthen I talked to von kleem.

(34:02):
Um, I'm not sure if you know,by the way, uh, john, another
great person that you should get, he's the head of force science
.
Um von kleem.
Um, it sounds like a villain.
Von kleem is his actual name, aGerman villain.
Mr Cleem is what I thought ofright away yeah, and he kind of
looks like Lex Luthor but hecalled me and kind of talked me

(34:24):
off the ledge about what thatruling came out to be and so,
but, yeah, the Felix vs Barnes,barnes vs Felix, however it is,
that's a good case to talk to.
And then somebody, a couplepeople, said in the thing about
frank and so I I'm not hidingfrom it guys uh, they said that
he got he's on the brady listfor some other reasons.

(34:45):
If there is, that's the onlyone I know about, I didn't, I
didn't know there was others.
So, um, if there's more, thenyeah, maybe that's something we
can.
We can talk.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
well, that's partially the issue with the
Brady list is it's notstraightforward.
Not every agency or DA does itthe same way and their
perception is different, and sothe standard across the nation
is not to lose followers.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You're copsplaining, don't be copsplaining.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
No, no, I truly believe that, like, like, I
think it is a great thing tohave.
I just don't think that there'sa standard.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
yeah, I I am, you know how all for a federal
database of cops that haveeither been fired, left for
other reasons other thanhonorable.
They need to have some sort ofsystem so we can keep track of
that stuff, because they don'tdo it.
And what do we see, john?
The case that I was talkingabout with the boiling water,

(35:45):
the Sonia Massey case.
That dude had been fired fromlike six different departments
or had left because ofundesirable reasons and then was
allowed to get hired in anotheragency, and stuff like that.
I'm like how, in 2025, do wenot have a?
That's what we sign up for youget hired to begin with.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, that's the thing the person that's in charge of
recruiting or hiring, no matterhow small the agency is.
They got an obligation and as asergeant, I was responsible for
everybody in my squad, whatthey did when you're on duty and
off duty, yeah.
So, yeah, you had to watch them, and you're a sergeant now too.
You have an ultimateresponsibility, and when someone

(36:29):
has been at six differentagencies before that, I can
guarantee you this they will notbe hired by my agency because,
brady List or not, federalDatabase or not, there's
something amiss with this guyand he's not coming on my
department because I'm not goingto be held responsible for that
jackwad.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yep, yeah.
If that dude came on my teamand I learned that he'd been at
six different departments.
Like anybody that's a cop isgoing to be like oh my God, what
the fuck?
Like?
That's not normal.
Now if he tells me oh, me andmy wife were military, we
bounced around.
I got hired on as a reservefrom here Reserve Like I have
seen that that's a possibilitybut that's very rare.
It's not normal.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, we call them Bounce, bounce, bounce, and I'm
saying less than 18 to 20 monthsat an agency.
I mean that's the red flag.
I can understand your spousegets a job and at one time
you're moving over there and youmay be gone from a reserve to a
full-time status because nowyou need to pull in some more
bacon for the family and youwere doing it as a reserve as
opposed to another full-time joband just kind of doing it.

(37:28):
I see a lot of those as well.
But I believe Texas also gotrid of the honorable through
dishonorable on their.
What is that?
The L5 card or whatever it'scalled.
Now they have a differentsystem and obviously they still
have to do the in-person meet,meaning agency.
The recruit left agency B.
Now he's coming to agency A formoney or whatever.

(37:51):
The professional standards unitor the hiring unit within that
agency now must go to everyother agency he's been at while
he's been a peace officer andbasically pull the records and
talk with their internals aboutthoughts on that person and I
think that's a great thing to do.
I hope it's actually going on.
Texas has always been prettygood at it.

(38:12):
I know they're not perfect, butI know they're striving for it.
And this new, the new Tico theygot going down there is doing a
lot better at things.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Oh, go ahead.
They require you to the.
You know.
So the last one I did.
You have to have the entirepersonal history in the packet.
If not you will, you can get aviolation.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I just want to say Alan, your new man cave is nice
and you're looking crispy,you're coming in clean, bro, I
love it.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Thank you.
I like the work that you did.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
It's glad to have a home and not in the middle of
the living room I want to give.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Magdum's question here, or statement some kudos,
because he said what about whenan officer resigns under
investigation?
That's exactly what the fuckI'm talking about.
That should be a red flag.
That should be amongst on thedatabase.
You should not be able.
If we start investigating youand you leave, that is leaving

(39:10):
under something less thanhonorable in my opinion.
So that should qualify If youleave under investigation in
lieu of firing or whatever.
Like no, that's a checkmark.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well, I think that agency that has a specific
officer under investigation, heputs in his notice or just
leaves because he thinks he'sgoing to leave the fire pot of
getting in trouble.
I think that once the newagency if they don't know about
that yet and they cue the stateagency for records that states
you are unable to hire or doyour hiring process until the
investigation has been releasedfrom the previous agency, and

(39:45):
then, if that's the case andthere's issues going on in the
state of wherever to have theirTexas Rangers come assist with
this investigation this guy, ishe darting something?
Is it a bad administration thatit's actually doing the person
wrong?
Just to have that externalthought on top of it?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, and you bring up a good point when it comes to
is is the department comingafter him?
Because sometimes that happens,departments they they get a
wild hair up their ass and theydon't like this particular
officer because he's doingwhatever.
And now, they're yeah yeah, andthey, they're coming after him
or whatever.
So that's a good point to bringup too.

(40:22):
Freeman Keyes said.
But most areas are hurting, sobad for cops.
They will hire anyone and I'mnot gonna.
I'm not going to call you aliar, sir.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I'll jump in on that one really quickly.
There's an old saying peopleget the police department they
deserve and they vote for.
You vote for politicians, youlisten to the news media, you
decide you want to become anactivist, for whatever reason.
And the people that are good,the so-called good cops the

(40:53):
minute they can retire, they do,and what you wind up getting is
the B team.
When you need help, that's whoshows up, the B squad.
And then when they're notavailable, you get the C squad.
And if you have an agency thatis, let's just say, subpar,
because you are part of thereason that made it that way.

(41:14):
They police their community.
They're made up of theircommunity members.
They're brought in from otherparts of the United States.
And last thing I'll say is thisit is harder in the Baltimore
police department, even wherethey're hiring the most, to get
on the job when you are a formerpolice somewhere else than if
you had no police experience atall.
It's much easier to get a jobwith no police experience

(41:36):
because they have to retrain badhabits.
So I'll repeat that we got alot of bad agencies out there.
A lot of people voted thosejackwads in office that made it
that way.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, and you know and there's an officer down
in Florida that's doing someamazing things.
He's just created an appOffDuty.
What's his full handle?
Eric, which one OffDuty?
Oh, nick OffDuty.
Yeah, nick OffDuty has createdthis amazing app and it's
already out in Florida.
I believe it's also maybe inGeorgia don't mind my words or

(42:11):
Alabama, but this really helpsthe recruit or person wanting to
be hired find an agency that'sgot good stars, if you will, and
it also helps the agency find adecent officer that's not
frigging, ballooning all overthe frigging state, and I think
that is one step, and this iscoming from an officer that's
created this.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
By the way, eric Reynolds is in the chat Keto
5-0,.
Eric Reynolds, retired Boyd andBeasley brother of mine, he's,
it's great at this.
Yeah, by the way, eric reynoldsis in the chat keto 50.
Eric reynolds, uh, retiredbrother of mine's, good guy yeah
, we've been.
We've been trying to link up toget eric on the show with us
get him on the show, yeah andyou need to have him tell you
about the shooting is involvedin his life-changing experience
for him yep, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Uh, we, me and um eric.
Actually we were going to doour normal, like the the
interview um podcast that I do,as we were going to do our
normal, like the interviewpodcast that I do as well.
We were going to just do aninterview and then his internet
connection was jacked up,because he does the camping
stuff all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I'm all for that.
Internet connection jacked up.
He took a lame way out.
He's like, oh, I don't want todo that.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, and so we tried to get him on and then it fell
through and then we both gotbusy and you know how this shit
goes.
It's not that I would neverhave him on, he's always welcome
and he knows that, and weactually plug his stuff on here
quite a bit.
By the way, get his mother ontoo, banning him from doing keto
.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'm down 55 pounds from carnivore, down 55 pounds
from from carnivore, that'sJanuary.
Oh no For me, yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Eric mother's, june Hawkins.
She's a retired Miami Dadepolice Sergeant, I believe, and
she retired, she was working thecocaine cowboy days and Miami
Dade in the homicide unit.
She's a great, great story.
Her and Eric, you both got tohave on the show.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, absolutely Giving a shout out to Nick
Off-Duty since we were talkingabout him and his app, that is.
I think it's designed to getbetter, more qualified
candidates in policing, so wedefinitely need to support him
and what he's trying to do.
I think that is crucial togetting the right people where
they need to be and allowingdepartments to pick the cream of

(44:19):
the crop.
So that is what his app isdoing.
Make sure you guys give himsome love out there.
Nick Off Duty this is hisYouTube channel that we got up
here right now, but you canabsolutely find him and his app
over there.
So let me stop sharing that.
Let me go back.
Show me the audits.
Is on what's up?
Show me audits.
I disagree with the.

(44:40):
You get the force you deserve,at least in my state.
My city police force iscontrolled by a governor through
board it points.
We only have the mayor andmayor is off.
One fifth.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Mayor is up by the way, is the governor elected and
mayor is off.
One-fifth, by the way, is thegovernor elected and, by the way
, is that governor elected andappoints political bureaucrats
to run the department?
Yeah, you get the force youdeserve because that person's
been voted into office.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, yep, absolutely yeah.
I'm not sure, man, I don't knowFor me.
If you get force used on you,I'm not sure man, I don't know
For me.
If you get four shoes down,it's because of your actions.
It has nothing to do withwhat's coming out of your mouth,
unless you're telling me I'mgoing to shoot you and you start
reaching for your hand.
But it's still based on youractions, but a little more on
what your words are.
So if you tell me you're goingto shoot me and then you start

(45:33):
digging, we got problems.
Uh, um, if you have corrupt thisis from centurion tactical,
which is still one of myfavorite names uh, if you have a
corrupt police department, youhave a corrupt politicians above
them.
Yeah, yeah, you damn right.
Look at, uh, new orleans.
Enough said.
New orleans was, oh, my god,especially during your heyday,
john.
That's why they have theconsent decree over there and

(45:55):
all that.
They absolutely had bad stuff.
K9tv said Keto, 503 Years,carnivore that's a commitment
Three years.
My problem is prepping.
I would be keto all the time.
I'll eat meat 24-7.
I love it, but it's just amatter of prepping and having

(46:16):
the food ready.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Swing through Waterburger and ask for it.
Three days are good.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
The first three days are the roughest.
After that you're good.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, I've done it.
I did it for four months, Ithink, just because I wanted to
see how I felt, see what it didto me.
I see what it did to me I'mstill in the military, John, I
don't know if you know that.
So I got to do like my PT testand all that stuff, and it
happened to be during that time.
So when I first started doingthe carnivore thing, like my
runtime, my pushups, my sit-ups,everything dipped really hard

(46:47):
and so I got nervous.
I was like, oh my God, is thismaybe?
But it was just my bodyadjusting.
So once I got to that two-monthwindow, everything started to
go back up and it was gettingbetter.
Really, what it was is I wasn'teating enough, even though I
felt like I was eating all thetime.
So that was the big thing withme on the carnivore diet.

(47:08):
Mr Billfold said Democracy isthe theory that the common
people know what they want anddeserve to get it good and hard
and deserve to get it good andhard.
Yeah, Mr Billfold is one of our, one of our big supporters and,
John, one of the odd thingsthat we do on here that most
people don't is our bigsupporters.

(47:30):
We'll give them a voice if theywant it and we'll put them on
the show with us and Mr Billfoldis one of those that we've had
on the show a couple times nowand we let people get on here
and talk and share theirfeelings and give their
expertise and whatever it is.
So it's kind of interesting.
I think it makes it fun.
Centurion Tactical said.

(47:52):
The United States Air Force PTtest equals joke.
All right.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
All joke, alright, fuckers.
Have you seen some of those AirForce people, especially the
PJs, the power jumpers?

Speaker 6 (48:04):
they are no joke.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
They are no joke and they are physically fit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I'll admit, there's the PJs and then there's
security forces, which is waydown here, and I'm security
forces.
Is that going?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
to drop at all, or is it going to stay up here?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
As I like to tell people I'm SF.
Yeah, hey here's the thingthough.
Here's the thing thoughCenturion, if you're going to
make jokes, you better served.
That's the rule.
You can't make fun of militaryIf you haven't served.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I'm sure he has with that name, but you never know.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, wolfie 92 said I thought the air force PT test
was putting together officechair the fastest.
Fuck you guys.
You this, fuck you guys.
You know what?
I'm taking my show and I'mgoing home turning this off if
y'all keep it up with eric.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
He's gonna take a nap , so I have to put that office
together real quickly that's anair force nap, you fuckers.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
The carnivore diet's easy.
Just get mcdonald'scheeseburgers.
Yeah, I know, I like like inand out.
I would go to in and out and doa man.
Just do four patties withcheese and that was it.
But loved it.
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Now you don't have to Join theDiscord.
There is our Discord channelacross the screen, Please,

(49:27):
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And another thing that I wantto put across the screen is we
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.
They take so much of ourprofits to keep this show
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So from our own people,specifically Mr Billfold.
So I'm going to give himanother shout out because he's

(49:47):
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He got us on this thing calledBuy Me a coffee.
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(50:10):
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But if you feel the need andyou want to support what we're
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So if you guys can do that,that means the most to us.
So thank you very much, butlet's keep going.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Keep it up, I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
All right, yeah, and my mom.
So, john, my mom's on here, bythe way, she never misses a show
Good for her.
And she said don't forget largewater, eric.
Yeah, I do not like large openwater, so I am not going to be
on any sort of Navy stuff oranything like that.
Perry Lemley said Air Force PJsactually work with the Navy

(50:59):
SEALs.
Yes, they do.
They are badass.
Jim Miner in the house, give ashout out to him.
He said Banning, I just startedthat diet.
Ryan Holsinger, the US Air Forceis generally considered to have
the least physically demandingbasic training and physical
fitness requirements compared toother branches like the Army or
Marines.
You're not wrong.

(51:19):
But what you're not mentioningis it has the highest
intellectual standards that areout there.
So no shade to our Navy intelguys too, because those guys are
badass as well.
But the Marines and the Army,y'all know you ain't got it, so
I'm gonna talk shit while I can.
Um, okay, uh, we're gonna waitfor banning to get back.

(51:44):
John, I'm gonna bring you backover here, okay, um, now your
radio show.
How long have you had thatgoing?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
since march of 2017, uh, and we're actually on radio
since october 2017.
We've been growing, uh, prettymuch every month, and the secret
is I I tell radio stations isthat we do for radio what
investigation discovery channeldoes for television, uh, so it's
people actually telling theirstory from their experience and
about% to 30% of it isinvestigating crimes from those

(52:16):
who've done it, the realities ofit.
The other 75% to 80% of myguests are talking about trauma.
They went through how itimpacted them and, most
importantly, what they did tobuild their lives afterwards.
And the trauma is oftencrime-based, but not always, and
it's not always firstresponders military it's also
military.
It's victims military, it'salso military.
It's victims of crime.
It's heart attack People lost ahusband or spouse due to heart

(52:40):
attack.
So it covers the spectrum, butit's really.
It's not preachy, it's notluxury, it's not experts, even
though a lot of our guests areexperts.
It is about what they wentthrough and that's been the
secret to, I think, our success.
It's providing a platform forthem to tell their stories.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Okay, now on your show, when you provide this
platform and all of that, howdoes it differ from podcasting?
For one, because I know you dothe podcasting side, but you're
syndicated radio, which is atotally different thing for me,
because I don't.
I personally don't.
You've explained it to me and Ikind of understood it once you

(53:20):
told me, but I don't know thateverybody else out there
understands the differencebetween that syndicated radio
and podcasting.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
The biggest difference is this.
Number one we have a lot oflisteners in the state of
California.
We have a lot of listeners inthe state of Texas.
We don't have that many inPennsylvania.
So if someone wants to come inand talk about Pennsylvania law,
it's got very little appeal topeople in California or Texas.
So that's why we stick withpersonal experience and we stick

(53:47):
with evergreen content.
For example, the podcastversion of the show I just
released yesterday was on Sundayno, sunday, which was yesterday
.
I'm losing track of my days.
It was a woman that she losteverything in Hurricane Katrina
and it brought up a lot of, Iwant to say, lack of better

(54:09):
words, repressed memories andhow she built her life
afterwards, including going backto school, getting her master's
, getting her doctorate, writinga book, learning how to have
better relationships all aresult of this thing called
Hurricane Katrina, where shesays half a lake poncho train
wound up in her living room.
So there's a lot to be heardand take from the experience of

(54:31):
other people.
That's what I do with my show.
So it's really about theirstory, it's not about their
lectures and it's really notabout here's two rules I have I
don't do trials by media and wedon't.
We don't give any publicity tobad guys, period.
We don't listen to name.
We don't give their manifestos.
We don't give any of that stuff.
I don't, I refuse to do that.

(54:52):
It's their stories.
You tell your story, great,that's all that's required.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, I'm going to destroy Centurion Tactical real
quick because he fucked up righthere.
I was an Army MP instructor.
Army is the proponent for LE inthe DOD and that's why Air
Force copy and paste, whichthat's how I'd expect an Army
guy to spell army regs.
Um, sir, I just want to put itout there that the air force has

(55:20):
, since probably your time, uh,they have their own academy with
their own set of instructionsthat are not a copy and paste of
the army.
And you know how.
I know that because when youguys are on post you're not
allowed to have a round in thechamber Air Force guys do.
Just saying Mic drop, one of mybest friends from growing up.

(55:47):
He's an E9 in the Army and he'sactually a badass.
He's an airborne ranger and E9is as high as you can go on the
enlisted side.
So you either get there becauseyou're really good at politics
or you're a war hero.
He sucks at politics, so shoutout to my buddy, uh, eric paz.
But, um, all right, banning'sback.
All right, let's, uh, let'sagree.
Wolfie, I need to add stuff uhto it.
It's not good.

(56:08):
It's not good coffee.
Um, all right, we're to get tothe.
We're an hour in and again,john, if you've got a jet at any
time, please let us know.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I'm going to walk my dog a little bit, but I want to
see your first body cam video.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, because we typically we kind of go with the
audience If they're stillrocking and rolling and enjoying
.
We're probably sitting around afew hundred to a couple
thousand right now, even thoughthe way that Restream works it
gets the numbers all messed up.
So we've got quite a few peoplewatching right now and so we

(56:48):
just kind of go off of them.
But yeah, so for thoselistening, if you've never seen
what we do before on the BodycamReviews, we pull up Bodycam
videos that most of us havenever seen Hopefully none of us
have never seen.
If we have, we tell you we'veseen it and we bow out and let
the rest of us speak.
But we will pretend that we'rethe officer in the call and then

(57:09):
we go from there on how wewould handle the call.
So there's some pausing andsome discussion with the
audience, so you guys can askquestions, make statements and
stuff like that, and we'lladdress them as we go.
It's kind of a unique way to doit.
So the first thing that we'regoing to do is we're going to
give a shout out.
I'm going to share the screenhere Now.

(57:30):
Eric won't talk shit about theMarines because he knows Bannon.
No, Eric's never going to talkshit about the Marines because
they're usually the first in andI fully admit that Now the Navy
and the Air Force will softenthe target for them to get in.
But I'm not going to talk shitbecause we do it from miles away
while you guys are up close andpersonal.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
Marines.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Air Force has to have heroes and the Marines are it
baby.
So the Army are just likefucking asshole.
Alright, let me.
Let me share this screen here.
Alright, we're going to givecredit where credit is due
Police Activity, where most ofthese videos are from tonight.
We got some other videos thatyou guys sent in that are not

(58:12):
from Police Activity, so we'llget to those in a little bit.
I want john to be a part of thebody cam review stuff.
So, um, shout out to policeactivity youtube channel.
They got 6.65 millionsubscribers.
Uh, make sure you find them atpolice activity for youtube.
Uh, all right, let's go to ourfirst video here, share this and
biggie size this screen.

(58:34):
And okay, you guys know thedeal.
We haven't seen this and let'ssee what happens.
This is a two and two minutes51 second video.
My brother broke into my houseand threatened to kill me.
I'm scared he'll do it beforehelp can get here.
St John's County, 911.
What's your emergency?
Alright, I'm going to pause itright away because this is the

(58:55):
first time we've ever seen thisformat.
This is new.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
This is that text 911 .

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, text 911.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
This is different, it's been a standard for about a
year and a half now Allagencies had to accept it, so
it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, this is the first time I've actually seen it
in action.
Yeah, this is the first timeI've actually seen it in action,
so this is kind of cool.
The victim said please don'thave them come with their lights
and sirens or their lights on,because I'm scared it'll hurt me
.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Dispatcher said we have units coming.
That's it Right, there, it'sbad.
Yeah, that's it right there,it's bad.
You got a trailer with a sign,hand-painted sign on the door.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
You know what's?
Going downhill very quickly.
Yeah, I don't mean to, uh, Idon't mean to to judge, but
that's not.
I'm judging what I see rightnow.
It's not going to go I'm notjudging judging.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I'm just saying it's obviously it's going to go south
very quickly.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah yeah, this is looking.
That is freaking nice.
I'm going through the comments.
The first thing Eric will do onDiscord after the show is post
a picture of him and Andykissing.
Oh, they're talking about thepicture from last week.
That's hilarious, oh shit.
Okay, let's keep going here.

(01:00:19):
Okay, so we've decided to makeentry in the house.
Why so?
That's the question people aregoing to ask.
John, I'll let you handle itFirst of all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Look, I understand the need for patrol rifles.
I understand the need for allthat stuff.
Why were they armed at the doorand hit it with a sledgehammer?
Information that is notavailable, because something
just doesn't add up right there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Well, from the text message she said that her
brother was breaking into thehouse and she was scared that he
was coming in to hurt her.
So that could be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
How many times have we had calls where they said, oh
, so-and-so has a gun and a shotand it's a false, false call.
They just get the police therefaster.
So you can't always go by whatthe 911, even what they tell the
dispatcher, because thatdoesn't hold true often case.
But why is that cop there witha rifle pointed at the door when

(01:01:20):
we don't know what's on theside of the door?
Number one, number two why arethey hitting with a sledgehammer
just based off of what theperson said to 911, on whether
it be text or otherwise?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Right on the nose, baby.
That's right what I wasthinking too.
I love it.
Yeah, because you basicallyjust made entering to somebody's
home which is like that, that'stheir castle, and you went off
of a text message.
We don't, that could have beena disgruntled girlfriend, that
ex-girlfriend that knows her,her, his girlfriend's in the

(01:01:55):
house and you just made entry,so that could be an issue.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
Justin, it's the sheriff's office.
Come out with your hands up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Ooh, they're using first names.
That's a sign this might besomebody they've dealt with
before.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I bet they've been to that house.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
House is a rough, you know, loose term.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Justin, it's the sheriff's office.
Come out now with your hands up.
We know you're in there, Justin.
Come out now with your hands up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
We know you're in there we still have not had a
visual on anyone yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Justin, come out now.
Okay, so me, if this is my call, I need to know where my victim
is.
That's going to be my bigconcern.
Where's my victim?
I'm going to be yelling for her.
Hey, if you're Sandra, I'm justmaking up a name.
Sandra, if you're in there, saysomething.
Let us know you're there.
I need to know that you're okay.
Bannon, you got anything onthis?

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
No, I'm tracking right along with you.
Same turn of phone.
Okay, let's just keep going.
He's talking back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Basically they can hear him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
There he goes.
He's squirreled in the back.
We can.
We can take this room righthere good communication.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I like that he's got eyes on.
You know I'm not necessarilyagreeing with knocking the door
open.
They may have more informationthat we don't know, so I'll put
that caveat out there.
There may be more info that weweren't privy to on, uh, police
activity.
So um tim ten dollars says he'sa has a wife beater on oh shit,

(01:03:38):
okay, I I'm not gonna take thatbet because that's you're
probably right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
So all right, let's keep going justin, it's the
sheriff's office, come out okay,you're gonna come out now with
your hands up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So he just offered to let the women out so they can
go about their business.
Alan, you got anything on that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Right now you're going to treat everybody the
same, like you know, uh, tryingto figure out you know who the
caller was, because they couldbe just pulling you there to the
scene.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yeah, we're.
We're in a weird spot right now.
Everybody for me, every singleperson that gets pulled out,
it's going to probably be, youknow, cuffed and detained and
checked real quick while wefigure it out.
Um, steve wallace in the house,I always like giving steve a
shout out never misses anepisode.
Um, I don't think steve's evermissed one, but let's keep going

(01:04:45):
here yes, you are.

Speaker 10 (01:04:46):
Let me see your hands, justin, let me see your
hands.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
He's going back back door, back door, back door.
Hey, let me see your fight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
He's got a knife good communication again by this
officer.
He's saying everything, he'sseeing calm voice, he's not
yelling and hyper excited.
I'm liking, john.
You got anything to add on this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
yeah, I I'm not liking the way this whole
thing's going down.
I feel like there's a lot thatwe're missing out on.
But here's where the verbaljudo, from my experience, would
come in, and I like thecommunication, but he is not
being assertive with that guy.
He's letting the guy call theshots, and you need to let this
guy know if he's armed with aknife, the next step you make,

(01:05:33):
you're going to get plugged.
Yeah, and you've got to letthem know in no uncertain terms
that this is a line you do notcross.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that, because the
argument that you make is that areasonable and prudent person
wouldn't just go arm themselveswith a knife.
Now, if I'm going to be fairand objective, you just went
into somebody's house without awarrant, right?
So I say he's got every rightto be armed, so we've got that

(01:06:05):
Banning.
You agree with that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yeah, I mean just the cold castle law.
Unless you know, this is a beatofficer that's well-versed with
his family.
If it's unfortunately a repeatcall house, he may have some
some inside knowledge.
They may have been able tocatch up on some case notes and
saw some pictures of peopleinvolved and whatnot.
Hopefully they're doing theirdue diligence on the way to call
to get as much information asthey can, yeah, I'm, I'm, I, I'm

(01:06:29):
a big constitutionalist when itcomes to my home.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I do not like entering a home based off of a
text.
You know and I think that'swhat john was kind of getting to
there as well like don't, it'sgot, it's got, uh, it's got
tainted, written all over it forgetting in this home based on a
text.
But again, we there's a lot ofinformation we may not have, so
let's, let's just keep going allright, get on the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
Get on the ground, justin get on the ground, he's
gonna get hit again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Okay, now background came out.
I saw the, the, the red um slingum.
I don't like the not announcingit, because what we can get is
sympathetic fire when we hear agunshot if we're amped up.
Now I think this officer that'stalking is acting very calm.
I think he knows what he'sdoing, but we have seen too many

(01:07:20):
videos of people being superamped up and if you get somebody
that comes in with a taser orwith a less than lethal bean bag
round or whatever and they firearound without announcing it,
it can create sympathetic firewhere somebody just starts
shooting their gun because theythink that there's a threat that
somebody else saw that theydidn't.
So we've got to be careful.
This guy didn't announce it.
Get down, I'm going to scootover.

(01:07:42):
Don't put your Justin hey.

Speaker 10 (01:07:45):
Justin, do not.

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
Get down, justin Get down, justin get on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I don't like the crossfire they just created
there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
That's one of those.
That's what I was about tospeak to.
Is that's one of those things?
When you respond to thesesituations, is you get in one of
those?
Uh, we all know what.
You know how this layout of amobile home is going to be, and
trying to get multiple officersin there and not be on top of
each other, plus all the stuffthey have in there.
Uh, it's, it's yeah, no word.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Salad um said you know, swatting.
That's basically what this callis.
It's a swatting call, andthat's one of the things that
you gotta watch out for.
So yeah, sparky, sparky waslike crossfire.
Yeah, that was bad crossfire.
That's where the communicationneeds to come in as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
So now I will say that's the one nice thing with
having a rifle on scene.
Where you can, you know youhave a better shot, than yeah,
just agree the back door you'reabout to get now, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I I'm just going to hold my taser out outside of a
door that I've got no eyes onthe person.
I see Banning's eyes.
It's funny, banning, we'veworked together so long.
Now I can read your eyeswatching the video.
Come on, buddy, speak it.
Tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Man, it just it just furiates me.
You know we're going to becommunicating on the way to the
call.
If it's a decently traineddepartment.
You know if somebody's goingless lethal, that's going to be
known.
You know if you're going toswitch from lethal to less
lethal, which in a lot of casesI don't know why we're doing
that, but it's going to be known, it's going to be communicated.
Just, you know as well as I do,especially when the X-26 came

(01:09:32):
off, it almost sounded like ashot and that sympathetic fire.
I got a felony traffic stop orwhatever and they're bringing
them back.
Unfortunately, this causedsympathetic fire at many
agencies because of the training.
You know it's.
It starts.
It starts from the trainingofficer down these and it's.
But this, you know, standingoutside that back door with a
frigging less lethal like that,uh, that's just, you're just

(01:09:55):
begging for it, man, and that'straining.
It's not on that officer, it'son the training of the agency.
And I'm not saying the agencyis horrible, but in this it just
doesn't look great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Sparky brings up a good point here.
The problem with the long gunis the overpenetration with the
sheet metal and the woodpaneling.
100%.
That round's going to keepgoing because when it goes
through a body of a person justkeeps going, it doesn't stop.
So he's he's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
um, the benefit is we're out in the sticks, so yeah
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna speakon that just for one second the,
the, the long, the long guns.
Unfortunately, with, with theofficers I know across the
country, which is just just likejohn and you, it's, it's, it's
quite a few there's someagencies that aren't checking

(01:10:38):
after they leave the reins andthey're going out running on the
street with FMJs, full metaljacket, you know, frigging
rounds, not knowing, and thenthey get into a situation like
this and if it's in a bigtrailer park, you miss your
intended target.
That's going to go through 10or 12 walls before it comes to a
stop, destroying everything inits freaking path.
So to those departments, makesure your guys are getting their

(01:10:59):
duty ammo back in those magsbefore they hit the street.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Absolutely all right let's keep going here all right.
What is your what?
What is your view of this guyright now from your experience?
Just looking at him and hisbehavior, what are you thinking?
Who's going to go first?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I'll jump in here, this guy.
He's showing signs ofsubmission.
However, he's got a hand that'ssecreted.
I'd be very concerned aboutwhat's in that hand, Until he is
down flat on his stomach withhis hands out.
Do not take.
Do not take your head off theswivel.
That's still a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
He seems doped up to me.
That's the point I was gettingto.
I and I agree with you abouthis hands, but to me, the way
his eyes are, I'm going to goback just slightly.
We'll go back a few seconds.
Just his demeanor when he comesaround this corner seems dopey.
You're about to get tamed Laydown.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
Lay down on his stomach, you'll get tamed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Wobbly head.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Big screener.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yeah, you're right, my bad.
There it goes.
I'm going to go back just alittle bit.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Keep your hands.
What's your hand?
Lay them down on his stomach.
You'll get paid.
The eye, keep your hands.

Speaker 10 (01:12:29):
Put your hands out in front of you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
Hey guys, just hold them.
We got it, I got it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Put your hands behind your back Stand up.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I don't like how nonchalant they are.
They already talked about otherpeople being in that residence.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Hey, what do you know ?

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Nobody got shot.
Read the details on that, Eric,just so we have a little bit
more knowledge on it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Let me get to that St Augustine, Florida, which isn't
that like the oldest city inthe United.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
States, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
During the early morning hours of June 28, 2025,
st John's County deputiesresponded to the disturbance at
a residence in St Augustine.
A male subject, lateridentified as 35-year-old Justin
Troy Locke, had forced entryinto the home armed himself with
a machete, attempted to set thehome on fire and began
threatening the victim.
The victim feared for her lifeand utilized text to 911, so the

(01:13:36):
suspect would not hear hertalking to the dispatchers.
Responding deputies made entryinto the home and utilized a
40-millimeter less lethallauncher to effectively end the
confrontation and take Lockeinto custody.
He was charged with attemptedarson, assault, burglary and
resisting a law enforcementofficer with violence.
St John's County Sheriff'sOffice shared a reminder that

(01:13:59):
texting 911 is an option insituations where a person can't
make the call, so it was neveraddressed about them making
entry or anything like that,sparky said.
I'm curious did they use theirRTCC during the text to 911?
I'm going to imagine they didnot.
Text to 911 is typically forthe dispatchers and not for.

(01:14:23):
It's not that the real-timecrime center probably monitored
and was trying to tap in throughtheir body cameras to help as
best they could, but probablynot a lot for them to do.
So yeah, good video.
Uh all right, we're uh, we'regoing to go to another video,
john, if you're still interested.

(01:14:43):
It's fun, isn't it?
It's fun, I like, uh, I likedoing it.
All right, let me share thescreen.
All right, that's's biggie size, alright, this one is 5 minutes
56 seconds long and again, itis from Police Activity.

(01:15:04):
Shout out to Police Activity.
We are using their videos.
Credit to them.
Alright, wolfie92.
Thanks for showing up, buddy.
Oh, I like.
They gave the little audiothing.
All right, I'll just stop ithere and say we got no audio, so

(01:15:33):
we don't know what's being said, but the officers are
apparently trying to makecontact with this person and
he's immediately turning andtaking a fighting stance.
He's not cooperating.
I can tell you that right now.
Banning.
You got anything to add?
Nope, all right, I figured thatwould be pretty easy.
Still got 10 more seconds.
All right, now, your boys.

(01:15:53):
Oh, he pushed the officer tothe ground.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
Okay, we're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Oh, he's reaching into his pocket.
What is in your hand, what youmean?
What's in my hand?

Speaker 9 (01:16:07):
What you on your hand , what you on your hand, put it
down, put it down, things Put itdown Now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Put it down.
Yep, okay, things have changeddrastically.
What do you think, john?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Well, first of all, I'm going to go back and I'm old
school so they started losingcontrol when they played that
pity pat smack hands thing.
If a guy shows me that he'sgoing into a bladed position,
makes his hand and fist, hedon't have to say nothing, I'm
going to nail him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
John, you just made.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
Eric so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
If he tells me he's going to hit me, I'm going to
nail him as hard as I can andI'm going to make sure he does
not get back up.
Everything after that pointshould never have happened.
Yes.
He was clearly.
When you looked at him walkingaway, you could see that part of
his hoodie was weighted down.
Yep, there was something inthere.
So this whole philosophy of useof force use of force never

(01:17:11):
looks good.
Physical use of going hands-onnever looks good.
It's like sausage.
People love it, love it, but noone see it being made.
If you've got to hit someone,you've got to use force.
Do it.
Get it over with as quickly aspossible.
Be devastating, be quick andget it done.
Get the guy cuffed, thenretrieve the gun.
Now it's uh, it's a free forall-all.

(01:17:32):
The guy's got distance, he'sgot a gun.
It doesn't look good at all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Yep, and this is part of the thing that I preach all
the time on this show is that ifyou handle business up front,
what's the worst that happens?
We beat the shit out of thisguy.
He gets some lumps.
Okay, doesn't look good, but assoon as we pull that gun out of
his hoodie guess what he is?
He's alive with some lumps.
That's right because we handledbusiness up front because of

(01:17:59):
his behavior.
But what we got, and what I see, is a very unconfident officer
that hesitated because he wasn'tconfident in his training and
because he hesitated, now we'regoing to get a higher use of
force because he pussyfootedaround.
And now this is what we'regoing to get and I have never
seen this video, but I can tellyou right now this guy's

(01:18:20):
probably going to get shot andit didn't need to happen.
But it happened because we had apussified officer and he didn't
.
I think there's two of themthere when you went to go hands
on.
I'm sorry, guys, a use of forceis a use of force.
It doesn't matter if you flicksomebody in the forehead or you
punch them in the face.
In the eyes of the court, it'sa use of force.

(01:18:41):
It doesn't matter how hard orhow vicious it is, it's all the
same.
You already went hands-on.
You've used force.
Take him down and handlefucking business.
Now we're probably going tohave a dead person because you
were a sissy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
That's right.
Or or a dead civilian, Somebodythat's got no involvement with
this rampant ground.
You could have ended thisearlier period.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
And this is where I get upset.
This is why I preach BJJ orwhatever I I'm a BJJ fan.
I think that's the best thingfor cops.
Just personal opinion.
But let's say you're a Samboguy, a wrestling guy, whatever
it is.
Either way, take thismotherfucker to the ground,
control him, don't allow him toget into his hoodie.
You chose this profession.

(01:19:27):
When you choose this profession, you take it seriously.
And if you don't take itseriously, this is the results.
So and again, I haven't seenthis, but let's, let's, let's
find out what happens.
A fucking shooting range.

(01:19:48):
It never should have happened.
Never should have happenednumber one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
The top's got no cover, it's got doesn't even
concealment.
Cop's got no cover.
He's got, doesn't evenconcealment, he's got nothing.
He's in a wide open and he letthis guy get distance from him.
If he controlled, took care ofthis, if he controlled the hands
to begin with, this never wouldhave escalated to use a deadly
force.
He'd never be in this positionof no, no concealment, no cover,
nothing.
That would never happen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yep, yeah, john, I just want to let you know
everybody on my following, ourfollowing here, that was
wondering about you.
You just confirmed they likeyou, I promise you with that
statement alone.
So yeah, eye of the Night saidI mean it was a catch-up feature
.
They turned on the body cambody-worn camera late.

(01:20:34):
Should have been on muchearlier.
Yeah, you're not wrong, theyshould have been on.
The thing is this was a calland you guys know my stance on
body cams.
Your camera needs to be turnedon the moment you accept the
call, not the moment you arriveon scene, not the moment that

(01:20:55):
you see the guy you think'sinvolved.
It needs to be punched on themoment you accept the call.
If you want to get closer tothe call and then turn it on as
you accept it, I'm okay withthat because you may have a
10-minute drive.
I don't expect you to keep yourbody camera on for 10 minutes
of nothingness for you to arrive.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I turn the son of a bitch on the moment that you
accept the call and don't goahead, benny, I'm just gonna say
, man, I know jay's gonna leavesoon, but just to add to this,
you know, and and jay I thinkyou, we spoke about it before I
was in canine for almost 10years of my career and for us to
go out and a lot of greatagencies good agencies that want

(01:21:39):
good dogs, when we go out toget a dual-purpose canine dog
for whatever application you'regoing to use it for,
dual-purpose usually stands fora patrol dog, one that can
engage physically with somebody,and then narcotics and tracking
, evidential recovery, et cetera.
We put the dog through a feartest.
Why are we not doing this withpeople in the academy?

(01:22:02):
Think about that.
I mean, we put the dog througha true fear test in a bite suit,
sometimes hidden sleeve suit,and if your dog fails to engage
based off of fear, it doesn'tmake the cut for the street.
And that goes for these rookiefrigging officers in the academy
.
Blessings to them for wantingto go to the academy and to
serve their frigging communitiesthat they love and that they

(01:22:24):
live in, or whatever.
But if you can't cut themustard on fear out, there we've
got these COVID babies.
I could go and talk for hoursthe one that, don't that?
Don't frigging actually take aDT defensive tactics class?
They're learning it on YouTubeand their state agency is
approving this and allowing themto go to an FTO phase and be
hired somewhere.
And they've never even arrestedanother adult person.

(01:22:45):
No, you have no business beingon the frigging street and this
shit right here.
If you're taking the top andthat person your, your frigging
partner needs to be on legs.
Get him to the friggin ground.
Shame on you for getting in theshoes Right I'm sure they're
great people but shame on youfor getting the shooting.
And where does it start?
Start to the chief.
Let's make sure we haveprepared people truly serving

(01:23:09):
our community out there.
I'm sorry, but it just pissesme off sometimes unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
It didn't have to get this far.
Um so, constitution, countrygirl, uh, news said are all
those shots necessary?
Now?
This is my thing.
I, I think, yes, you, you shootuntil you see the threat go
down.
One of the big differences andthis is country girl, I have a
feeling you're a shooter as itis.
So I want you to consider this.
When you're out and you'reshooting a target, whether it's
a steel target or it's a papertarget, we have instant reaction

(01:23:38):
, or instant what's the word I'mlooking for?
You see it.
You see that you shot the papertarget.
You see, or hear that you shotthe steel target.
You know that you hit yourtarget.
So you're getting that instantfeedback.
When you shoot a body with aperson or a shirt on or anything
like that, you can't see therounds go in.

(01:23:58):
You can't see anything otherthan their reaction to it and
hoping that you're hitting them.
So you, basically, you'rewaiting until they go down, and
in this, that's exactly what youjust saw is they just fired
until the guy went to the ground.
And that's the differencebetween shooting at the range

(01:24:20):
and shooting in real life is youdon't.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
You don't get that feedback that you normally are
used to in the range, becauseyou'll if you're giving your
officers 50 rounds and a targetevery year saying you got a
score 80 on this, 90, 100, evenif it's 100, and you're shooting
paper and that's the only thingyou're doing.
Shame on you.
You're going to get an incidentlike this.
Where did the first three orfour rounds go?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Yeah, Not on target.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, where did they go?
Hopefully they got that figuredout.
We don't have to be injured.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yes, African blog.
Instant confirmation.
That's exactly what I waslooking for.
Confirmation, yeah, you're.
You're doing these confirmationchecks constantly and I, I
catch myself doing it during youknow, um, qualifications.
Uh, I'll bust out.
You know you're gonna get tworounds in three seconds, reload
three rounds, four seconds.
And so I'm like bam, bam andI'm looking real quick Just to
see did I hit it?
Did I fucking hit the target?
You know, know, you can't helpit.

(01:25:12):
You just, it's a, it's a badtraining habit, I've got it.
And so in the street you don'tget that same thing.
Sparky as two said.
Um, the first question I alwaysask new hires have you ever been
in a fight?
I actually had a person say,yes, I had a cosplay sword fight
.
Ah, that's great.
Yeah, that's a common thing.

(01:25:33):
I, I, I've been with you onthat as an instructor.
Uh, I was an Academy instructorfor three years and I remember
in my own Academy classes Iwould say 50 to 60% had been in
a real fight, raised their handand been in a real fight, and
I'm going to guarantee that whenJohn went through, it was
probably closer to 70 to 80% hadbeen in a real fight, if not

(01:25:56):
more.
And then you talk today.
You're lucky if you got one ortwo out of an academy class of
50 or more that have ever beenin a real fight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
John, has that been your experience?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Number one.
It's it's the real fight is onething Uh, it's the old saying
is they've ever been punched inthe nose.
If you've never been punched inthe nose, you know it's
survivable and you can make itthrough it.
It's going to hurt like hell.
Your eyes on tear up.
Everything is going to happen.
But I was going to add inreally quickly before I left.
I was in one of my lastshootings.
I was in is revolver days.

(01:26:31):
It was with a guy who did aarmed robbery, murder, stole the
victim's Corvette, was comingdown the street shooting at me
with a 45, hit my police carhead on.
We had a running gunfight andthe first four rounds.
I didn't know if I shot Duxerflying by or if I shot him.
I had no idea.

(01:26:52):
I was in the middle of thestreet, he was trying to reload
and he was having difficulty.
I ran up and tackled him andtook him down and it was
forceful.
But the reason he was havingdifficulty is I shot him in the
wrist.
I didn't know it.
So of the four rounds, if theguy's still active, you keep on
firing.
If you need to, you reload andyou keep on firing until the

(01:27:14):
threat is over with.
That's the reality of what it'slike on the street and, by the
way, banning made a great pointPaper targets don't shoot back
at you.
They're not running, you're notrunning.
All that stuff's not happening.
We could talk about the rangeall day long.
It's not like real life.
It's nothing like real life.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
And that brings me to Magdum's point when he said but
far too many officers arelacking in ability, they don't
get the practice in.
I train moving targets, memoving from the draw, et cetera.
You have to train that way andI agree 100%.
Now one of the things I wouldlove to brag about.
I'll say it I got to run.
You got to run, john.

(01:27:52):
All right, man, no-transcriptmovie, I fucking love it.

(01:28:23):
Red dots, everything.
So, um, I'm with you, magnum,that's absolutely what needs to
be trained.
But most of the time, what arethey doing?
They're shooting a statictarget from a static position
and getting their qualificationin with the minimal amount of
rounds possible to save money.
And it's just.
It's sad, because somedepartments are just set up for

(01:28:47):
failure.
They don't have the money.
Um, I'm glad it seems like alot of people really like john,
so that makes me happy.
I even warned John before wegot going, guys, I told him I
said hey, man, our audience isdifferent.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
It's not an echo chamber.
Our audience is the real United.
States.
It's the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Yes, and so I know John's page.
So if you guys do go listen tohis channel and all that stuff,
guys, it is, it's pro lawenforcement.
I just don't want that todissuade you.
Here's one of the things Iwanted to point out is you just
heard John being him real selfand telling you how he polices
and all that stuff.
But if you go to his page andyou're like, oh, it's a

(01:29:33):
bootlicker page, you know that'snot true now because you gave
him a chance on here to hear howhe really is and what he does.
But his show is just it's justhappens to be pro law
enforcement, about good storiesabout law enforcement.
So don't hold that type ofthing against people because you
think they're cops planning orthey're doing whatever.
You just heard an old schoolmotherfucker get on here and
tell you exactly all the sameshit.

(01:29:54):
I mean he went and tackled theguy that shot at him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
that should say enough after slamming into his
freaking cruiser and stolenfreaking corvette you know, this
guy's like jerry worms.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
This on right now.
You need to also train whenyour guns jam.
Trains are clear, train andclear to get back in the fight.
Absolutely so I love it.
Get back in the fightAbsolutely so I love it.
Tim in the background Guys, Iwant to give a shout-out to my
mods tonight.
They are killing it.
Tim is on here, Marine Blood'son here.
I think we've even got eventhough he's not a mod Mr

(01:30:27):
Billfold I think he is out therehelping out as well.
Thank you, guys.
I really appreciate all youguys' help in the background.
It does not go unnoticed and Iam working currently to get you
guys rewarded.
So I want you guys to know thatI'm working on something in the
background to try to get youguys compensated for your help
as a thank you from me.
Not that you guys did it to getany rewards I know you didn't.

(01:30:50):
You did it because you believein what we're doing.
So that's just me wanting toget you guys something so
working on it.
But, uh, all right, I want toget.
Um, let me see I I really don'tthink there's any need to watch
the rest of this video.
Um, so I want to get to some ofthe videos that they sent us,
especially the one and I've seen.

(01:31:12):
I think you guys have seen thisone too, so I just want to talk
about it.
The paralyzed guy yeah, so I'mgoing to pull up that one.
This one's going to be ashout-out to the civil rights
attorney or the civil rightslawyer, so I'm going to share.
Stop sharing, damn it.

(01:31:35):
Hold on a second banning share.
Okay, now it's biggie, saysthis one.
All right, here we go now let'sin texas.

Speaker 12 (01:31:49):
One is 100 blind and the other is a paraplegic.
Cops pull them over and orderthem out of the car.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Step out for me, sir, I do not consent to a search.

Speaker 10 (01:31:59):
This is unlawful.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
All right, I need you to get out of the car, sir, I
cannot.

Speaker 11 (01:32:04):
I do not have a fucking wheelchair, you idiot.
My legs do not work.

Speaker 12 (01:32:09):
One can't see and one can't walk.
So what did the cops do?

Speaker 7 (01:32:16):
Okay, well, can't see and one can't walk.
So what did the cops do?
Okay, well then we're gonnasearch the car with you sitting
in it.
That's illegal, sir.
No, no, it's not, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Odor of marijuana is probable cause for research all
right, let me first by startingout by saying if homeboy can't
see, which you can clearly tellyour boy is blind and your other
boy can't walk, I don't carewhat you self-medicate with, I
don't give a fuck.

(01:32:40):
Yep, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
That's when you start being thankful for what you
have, that's a fucking thank you, thank you, thank you, and then
slide on to something else thatfreaking counts.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Oh my God, this shit right here, oh my God, that was
the first thing across myfucking mind.
These guys have a hard enoughlife.
Now I get it.
You gotta do a little duediligence.
Make sure you're bullshittingabout being paralyzed.
I don't know how you're gonnado that, but I'd be like really,
bro, you're paralyzed, like forreal, and you know.

(01:33:21):
He'd be like, yeah, mywheelchair's in the back,
whatever it is.
However, you're gonna confirmit, but at the same time you can
kind of read the room girlsinstantly in the back, pissed.
He can't fucking walk and hecan't see like all right, so get
the fuck out of here.
How in the fuck I'm gonna getmad banning.
You know what take I'm rightthere with you man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Take over with your new room, I think it's one of
those things that you just gotto understand.
You can see when somebody'sparalyzed how they hold
themselves.
Actually, funny story, my sonactually was in a pursuit not
too long ago and the passengerwas paralyzed, so he's like

(01:33:58):
trying to order him out Can be apart of crime.
Yeah, but he's like trying tocall him out of the vehicle.
And then he finally realized ohcrap, I've got to sit with this
dude in the car until somebodycomes to help me, right, yeah,
you, you, you do your job likeyou normally do, and but you

(01:34:18):
have to be able to adapt andchange with the situation, and
that's definitely one of thosewhere you have to go.
Oh crap, I'm screwing this upLike right the dude can't walk.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
What movie are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
I don't know, see ward here you see no evil.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Here no evil classic oh yeah that went over my head.
I was like what movie are wetalking about?
I get what you're saying.
Now, yeah, fuck, yeah, bro,this infuriates me, infuriates
me, infuriates me.
So I'm just this is a longervideo, guys, we're not going to

(01:34:58):
watch the whole thing, but Ijust I don't know, and again I
don't want to jump all overcivil rights video I don't have
the full raw body cam.

Speaker 11 (01:35:12):
So Okay, then you're going to have to get the fuck
out of the car dude, then getout of the car.

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
I'm asking you to get out of the car, sir he cannot.
He doesn't have a wheelchair,sir he cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Please, sir, good for this guy too.
By the way, I would have landfished right away.
Oh, you want me out of the car?
Fuck it, just head dive out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
All dive out, Alright motherfucker pick me up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yep, I would have hated it for everything it's
worth.
I'd have been like pick me up,bitch.
What an asshole.
He cannot walk.

Speaker 7 (01:35:44):
He cannot walk, please.
Okay, do not crawl out into the.

Speaker 9 (01:35:48):
You did this.
Y'all told me to get out of thevehicle.
I told y'all I did not have mywheelchair, I have no use of my
legs.

Speaker 7 (01:35:55):
Well, if you're gonna crawl, crawl yourself over that
way, unfucking.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Believe me, I'm fucking real.
Fired, fired.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
What fired immediately fuck you eric, what
do you know?
Did you catch?
What agency?
This?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
was Not yet, I'm sure .

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
We got a smart crowd out there.
Somebody send me a Discordmessage on what agency this is.
Somebody said it's in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Are you fucking serious Crawl on a situation
that you just created over theodor of marijuana?
Holy shit, watch out, we've gotthe biggest criminal in the
world.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
He's got a freaking.
This is the head of the cartel.
He just stopped for crying outloud Come on Unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Unreal, I don't have another fucking word for it.
Unreal, I just can't fathom it.
I cannot fathom this seems likea skit to me.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Oh, I got another word for it, but we wouldn't be
able to broadcast anymore.
So let's just continue.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Country girl, she's like it gets worse.
I know I've seen it.
I'm just as mad now as I wasthe first time I watched it.
So unbelievable, sir.
I don't want to step on hisstuff, so I'm going to All right
.
So two digital marketers walkinto a coffee shop.

Speaker 12 (01:37:19):
One orders a blend of search and social.
The other orders this okay,there's an insane amount of for
off the market best friends, onethat is.
I'm really just walking up tothis small town just taking them
hunting and fishing.
So the script almost writesitself here this small town,
terrible police department endsup pulling over these two best

(01:37:40):
the cab the call part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Yeah, texas is huge y'all.
So banning and and alan, Iactually lean on youtube because
you're native.
So well, banning's pretty mucha native.
You've been here a long time.

Speaker 12 (01:37:57):
Um, all right, let's keep going friends, the
paralyzed guy and the blind guyover a license plate light.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
So from the beginning , I didn't know that part over a
license plate light.
Oh my god, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
I want to punch him it's in.
Bowie County up near TexarkanaI want to punch him in the
throat.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
I want to punch him in the throat.
I want to punch him in thethroat.
Banning.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Population was 59.
I want to punch him in thethroat, Banning.
Population was 59.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
I want to punch him in the throat.
I've never wanted to throatpunch somebody so hard in my
life.
I'm sorry, I'm so.
I've watched it, but I nevergot the explanation of what it
was for.
I did not know it was for alicense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
And then they smelled weed.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Wow, that's what we're talking about Watch out
the devil's lettuce.
We got some fucking trainedkillers out here.

Speaker 12 (01:39:02):
Must be cartel.
It was a fishing expedition.
This is where it begins, withthe officers walking up to this
Cadillac with these two bestfriends inside.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
A Cadillac with a trailer hitch, by the way, Just
saying that's always comical tome a car with a trailer hitch.
But let's keep going.

Speaker 12 (01:39:22):
Adorable dog that will actually play a central
role in what is?

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Oh my God, freeman, watch your mouth.
He goes.
The cops previously shot theblind guy in the face, so you
know he loves cops.
Shut up, what an asshole.
That's funny, though I'll giveyou that.
Oh my God, all right, let'skeep going.
I'm so angry.

Speaker 12 (01:39:45):
It happened.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Wait, mr Bill Fogel.
This is why people hate police.
This is a department wide issue.
Yeah, all four of them.
Mr millfold, uh, goddamn, weneed to get eric a youtube
subscription eventually, guys,we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
mama g, eric speech I'm trying to put it up there
too.
Stop clicking shit.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I got it.
I got it, I got it.
Eric speeches First time.
I've seen that.
That probably is the first timeon here.
Son of a bitch, oh my God.
We just need to be legalized.
That's part of the problem.
Just needs to be.
It's already legal in so manyStates it's so.
It's one of the reasons why Idon't enforce it.
T Ward said that Caddy stillhas a working North Star engine

(01:40:41):
in it.
We need to get Ward on the show.
He would be great.
I think he would be great forsure.
Alright, let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Are there hand controls Like how the hell is he
pressing the gas?

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
No, it did look like he had a little bit of control
over his legs, because they wereshaking when he got them out.
Maybe he can shift his body.
Maybe, he's got just enough towhere he could do that.
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:41:29):
So, rick, please stop, I'm not going to tag you.

Speaker 7 (01:41:40):
I'm going to do the same thing you guys did.
No, I wouldn't have got aninjury.
Can I pet the dog?
Yeah, she won't bite, will she?

Speaker 12 (01:41:48):
You like her.
No, he's super sweet yes sir,he's sweet.
He's old.
So what happens here is a dirtytrick that we are witnessing
While officer number one istalking to the driver on the
other side of the car, officernumber two goes around to the

(01:42:09):
rear passenger side of thevehicle where this woman has
this adorable dog, and he tapson the window and he pretends to
be interested in the dog andwant to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
All right, I don't like this part about civil
rights because I would have donethis.
I'm like, oh, can I pet yourdog?
Because I fucking love dogsAbsolutely.
It's not my stop, I'm lettingmy partner control the stop.
So, yeah, if I can have aconversation and just be chill
and keep everybody calm on myside, I would.
That's what I would do.
It's not a trick, it's justbecause that's what I would do.

(01:42:38):
So I disagree with them here.
Don't and I know we're nottrying to do the civil rights
page Like that's not what we'reintended to do.
We're trying to use just thebody cam footage because I don't
want him getting mad that we'resharing his stuff and I don't

(01:43:00):
want him to think that we oranything.

Speaker 12 (01:43:00):
I love him.
I wish he would be on our show.
So if you see this civil rightslawyer, I love you, I love you.
I think you're awesome.
I just disagree with you here.
Talk about the dog and pet thedog, but it's all a ruse he's
trying to fabric.
Circuit has long held that ifofficers smell marijuana coming
from inside the vehicle, theyhave probable cause to then
search the vehicle, includingany bags or containers inside
the vehicle.
But what?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
if, like here, the officers say they smelled
Skipping ahead.
Ah, okay, question Introducingthe filters.
If I do get a subscription,does it stop that?
Yes, it does.
Okay, for sure, yep, 100%,we'll see.

(01:43:43):
I just guys, I got so manysubscriptions for all this shit.
You don't know, you have noidea how many subscriptions I
have.
Oh, I got so many, um so many,that we had to like get rid of
tv channels at the house becausewe just had too many coming in
for the podcast anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:44:03):
All right, let's keep going really poor guy I got two
pits, yeah, and I'm so happytheir ears weren't clipped.
They got floppy ear, big oldfloppy.

Speaker 8 (01:44:16):
We have a few floppy ones, but I was like with them
being clipped.
He's never had any ear issues,yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
They're always super clean.
We, I have to my male.
I have a male and a female.
The male he'll let you cleanhis, He'll let you clip his
nails.
My female I got to hold herdown and sit on her.
Sit on her.
Yeah, she don't like it, shedon't want it done, and I've
actually had to take her to thegroomers and have to put her,
put her in the little sling.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
Um, and I'm the same with him.
Like I got a doberman, I didn'tlet him get his ears clipped,
like I'm like.
That's why I don't believe,like what the civil rights
attorney was saying, our civilrights lawyer, whatever he calls
himself like.
That's why I don't agree withwhat he's saying here.
Like this is a genuineconversation and this guy is
he's being legit.
I think he really just likesdogs.
And the fact that he was eventhinking about the ears that way

(01:45:01):
, like I'm the same way.
This is the exact conversationline I probably would have had.
So, um, freeman key said nojoke, the reason that man was
blind, it was the policeshooting him in that face.
True, oh, fuck me.
Really, I thought you guys werejoking.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
They've commented that four or five times already.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Oh my god, this is a movie I feel like a hundred
times more worse.
Jesus, oh my god, this poor guy.
He has no clue that anofficer's got a fucking
flashlight in his face either.
Jeez, oh, oh my god.
Oh my god, all right, holy fuck, I mean, I'm not even gonna

(01:45:49):
finish that sentence likeunbelievable okay thing to clip
her nails.

Speaker 7 (01:45:55):
Yeah, she ain't letting you do it.
No, she's not aggressive.

Speaker 6 (01:45:58):
She's saying well, she's ain't going to allow it,
Don't do it.
Yeah, I mean I don't, I don'tblame you, okay.

Speaker 10 (01:46:03):
I'll go.
What was your name?
Jackie Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
J-A-C-O-B.
I'll tell you what I'm goingand face this guy in the chair.
Can you send me pictures?

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
of the insurance on the cadillac, where y'all headed
where are we going?

Speaker 12 (01:46:31):
obviously the other thing he's doing is he's asking
her questions which many peoplemight see as just small talk and
have this compulsion to answerthese questions, but which are
really being asked as part of aninvestigation to make some sort
of criminal case against you orto form the basis.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
He's not wrong there, not wrong at all.
We do ask those type ofquestions, and it is the purpose
behind them is to try to findout if there's anything afoot.
Alan, you got anything.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
yeah that's what we do is have conversations and
talk to people like humans, butnot, oh shit, everybody's like
get youtube premium.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Okay, okay, okay.
Message received.
Fuckers, I'll get it.
Jeez, oh pete.
Thank you, jerry, I appreciatethat.
Thank you very much.
Yes, okay, okay, all right.
Damn, I can't argue with that.
This is the first time you guysever came at me like that about

(01:47:39):
it.
I didn't, okay, marine bloods.
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Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Oh shit, uh okay don't forget, don't uh make sure
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Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
YouTube, do all that stuff, okay.
So yeah, I agree with him here.
Yeah, when we ask questions,they're probing questions for
stuff like that.
When you hear that stuff, thestuff about the dog, though, no,
that's not probing and thatwasn't to soften her up to ask
questions.
That's just striking upconversation rather than stand
there and look awkward.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Well, and I will say, I want to know if that dog's
going to be aggressive, if Ihave to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a good indicator.
That's not.
You're not wrong there.
So, um, geez, old Pete's guys,I appreciate it.
Listen, stop donating toYouTube y'all.
I appreciate it.
Listen, stop donating toYouTube y'all.
Only half of your money isgetting to us.
Send it to what that buy me acup of coffee link was right

(01:48:45):
there.
If you guys send to that one, Iappreciate it.
I'm not bitching at all, but Iknow you guys want your money to
go exactly where you want it togo.
You don't want it to go toYouTube.
Click that link.
Do that link to buy me a cup ofcoffee or buy me a coffee thing
.
Um, that will actually get moreof your money directly to what
you're trying to get it to go to.
And I promise on the next livestream we'll have the YouTube

(01:49:07):
thing.
I'm going to make sure yourmoney goes there.

Speaker 12 (01:49:08):
So, thank you very much, Um, but let's keep going
to search you or arrest you orthe basis to detain you for an
extended period of time toextend the fishing expedition?
Are police officers allowed todo that?
Yeah, basically, but you alsodon't have to answer at a
traffic stop.
There is no general requirementto answer police questions

(01:49:31):
beyond basic identification.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
I want to lie over 8 000 men have permanently broken
free from the P word by watchingone single video.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
One thing I'll say there is like you've got to
treat every traffic.
Stop the same.
I actually have found dope anda child's diaper.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Oh yeah, I found him in car seats, you know, in a
transported you gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
You know you may not look good when we're out there
and we're having to have theadult change their.
I didn't change the diaper, butthey took the diaper off and
there was dope inside of it.
But so at the end of the day,there's certain things we have
to do In this situation.
This is all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Yeah, for me, I don't care if you're pablo escobar.
My boy is paralyzed and myother guy's blind.
And come to find out freemankeys, thank you.
He's blind because of cops.
Jesus christ, that's jesus guys.
Holy shit, oh all we get out ofbanning Jesus guys.

(01:50:36):
Holy shit, oh, all we get outof Banny.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
I just, you know, I just get pissed off when I see
stupid shit like this.
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
So, oh shit, tim, want zero ads.
Want to listen to Eric and hishate for YouTube ads?
Join our Discord.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
We have zero ads there speaking of which, I'm
sure we'll go on to discordafter the show you ain't lying.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
I'll probably just keep my happy ass right in this
chair and keep fucking going.
So, um, all right, let's, uh,let's keep going marijuana in
here?

Speaker 7 (01:51:14):
no sir, okay, I'm smelling marijuana, are we sure
ain't?

Speaker 8 (01:51:21):
nobody got none on.
Yeah, no, I don't have any,okay.

Speaker 7 (01:51:24):
Okay, I'm smelling some.
Are we?
We're 100 sure the dog.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
The one thing that is an indicator, and this is an
indicator for me.
So y'all listening see how shenever looked at the officer
while she's trying to saythere's no weed in here, like
again, I don't give a fuck, Idon't care, my man can't, can't
walk and my other man can't seeI'm walking.
All right, bro.
Oh, that was a bad joke.
I didn't mean that to be a joke.

(01:51:49):
Um, I'm leaving.
That's fucked up.
I didn't mean it that way.
I promise I'm leaving.
All right, man.
Hey, your license plate lightneeds to be illuminated.
That's why I pulled you over.
Get it fixed.
Have a good night.
Boom, I'm out.
So I'm out from that.
However, the way she is doingthis, that's bad.

(01:52:13):
Don't do that.
Most people, when they'retrying to be honest and truthful
, they're going to look right atyou and be like no, no, there
is nothing in this car.
Like that's a thing.
What's Country Girl gettingyelling at me about Bullshit?
Most abused excuse to search.
What are we talking?
Oh, smell of marijuana.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:32):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
I'm with you.
I don't like it.
I'm with you.
I don't like it either.
So let's keep going.

Speaker 11 (01:52:38):
Yes, sir, you can go in the window.
We all consent to a search.
No sir.

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
Okay, I don't have my wheelchair with me, okay, well,
here's the deal.
The odor of marijuana isprobably caused for a search, so
I'm going to ask you to stepout, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
I gonna step out of that vehicle.
He's not.
He's not refusing to step out,he's telling you I can't fucking
step, I'm paralyzed.
That's there's a difference.
There's a big difference.
Look at that.
Here's another thing anybodythat's got a little bit of logic
and reasoning, she instantlysaid he's paralyzed.
And the other dude that isparalyzed is saying I can't, I'm

(01:53:20):
paralyzed.
They said at the same time it'snot like they got their stories
together and then like he'slike well, I'm paralyzed, I
can't walk.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my buddy'sparalyzed, he can't walk.
That didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Little cop 101 banning I bet you the car's got
a frigging disabled placard onit too, Our frigging tag.
You know what I'm saying?
It may not, but I mean that'san indicator there, you know?
Just hello, Stop being fuckingidiots.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
I'm not stepping anywhere, let alone out of the
car.
Jesus Christ, jesus Christ, ohman, it's going to be one of
them nights Banning.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Don't smile, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Mag dumps the fucking room.
He's ruining the ending forpeople.
Guess how much they find that'sright.
No Jesus, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
Oh, all right, by the way, yeah, I made you smile,
see, you did it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
By the way.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
I made you smile.
See, you did it, I made that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
I was a part of it, you were.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
You were girl you just keep looking pretty like
you do.
I'll bring you on the show aslong as you keep looking pretty,
Alan, or should I say Andy?

Speaker 7 (01:54:35):
All right, step out man pretty Alan, or should I say
Andy.
All right, Step out.
Man.
Hey, mate yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Hey, I actually have a comment on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Oh, you got a comment on Instagram.
What do we got on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Yeah, could you tell him to come to the station so he
could give you a wheelchair andso the officer conduct the
search?
I'm sorry.
So if we were in this situation, could you have them go to the
station where you could get awheelchair or something, and
then?

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
sure you could, you could, but why would you?
We don't need to, so are westill on instagram?
Right now I thought it cut offafter now it's, it's rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
I thought it did too, but we're rolling and people
are still bouncing around.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
I hope it's showing up nice, because that's the one
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
I started doing it a different way.
Tonight I got it working abetter way.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Somehow I have an echo and I got to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
I don't hear it for us, but I'm sorry you're dealing
with that.
All right, let's keep going.

Speaker 7 (01:55:41):
All right, step out Okay.
Well, I'm not going to wind up.
I'll help him out.
Well, get your sergeant downhere please sir no sir.
Yes, sir no sir.

Speaker 8 (01:55:50):
Yes, sir, babe, start recording this.
No, sir, you're not takingnobody out of this vehicle.

Speaker 7 (01:55:54):
Step out for me, sir.
I do not consent to a searchthis is unlawful.

Speaker 12 (01:55:58):
Now, in case you were wondering why these two
best friends seem like they areso distrustful of these members
of the DeKalb Police Department,here's one good reason the
blind man who is sitting in thefront passenger seat.
His name is Dallas Bruce, andthe reason that he is blind is
because 2017, he ends up gettingshot in the face with a shotgun

(01:56:22):
, and it was the DeKalb policedepartment who waited like three
hours before allowing this poorguy any medical treatment and
then thereafter refused toinvestigate it as a crime.

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
When I got shot, DCAB's the same police
department that let me sit inthe house for three hours, shot
and didn't render aid.
Somebody actually had thecaptain wouldn't let an officer
come in there, so they let mesit in there for hours.
So I already am uncomfortablewith DCAB and don't trust you
know I've always trusted college.

(01:56:57):
After that, with DCAD and Iwent back to try to have it
investigated and they basicallytold me I watch too much TV.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
I'm so mad.
I'm heartbroken and I'm mad atthe same time.
I'm heartbroken and I'm mad atthe same time, Especially for
somebody to sit there and sayI've always trusted police.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
That is Okay.
So next question from Instagramis isn't asking someone to get
out generally more dangerousthan staying in the car?

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
It depends.
There's circumstances behindeach one.
Um, you got to kind of feel itout for what you got.
I personally, I'm not a fan ofgetting anybody out until I get
more people.
So if I got a car that's packed, I got five, five people in a
in a car and I've like, let'ssay, I see a gun, but I'm not

(01:57:58):
letting on that.
I see the gun, I'm not gettinganybody out.
I'm going to have more copsshow up and I'm going to try to
elongate this fucking stop andmake conversation and try to
keep it chill.
I ain't having anybody come outuntil I got 10 officers there,
however many it takes.
Um, otherwise, no, I'm notgetting them out, period.

(01:58:21):
Uh, I may just write the ticketand cut them.
It just depends on what I'mdoing about anything, um, but no
, I I'm not a fan of gettingpeople out of the car banning.
What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
no, same here, same here.
And I've worked, you know, inthe last popo gig that I worked,
so to speak, you know, damnnear a thousand square miles and
had one deputy on Sometimes.
I was that deputy and I've hadto have dispatch reenter a
person because they had awarrant, because I had
absolutely nobody come get meand I had five people in the car

(01:58:55):
and there had five people inthe car and there's nothing
saying in the book anywhere thatyou can't do that.
Not only did I.
You know, at that time I wasriding in a jacked up deputy car
that didn't even have a cageand this guy had fighting
tendencies, you know.
So I had, because once you,that's how that works, when an
officer runs it and then theyconfirm this dispatcher wasn't
listening and confirmed on thatwarrant runs it, and then they

(01:59:16):
confirm this dispatcher wasn'tlistening and confirmed on that
warrant.
And that once that war wasconfirmed and they told me it
had confirmation, I told themyou didn't, you didn't have a
authorization to run that personfor one for warrants, because I
didn't ask for it, uh, to callthe originating agency of
whoever the ori is and have themre-enter that person because
they're not going to jail rightnow and I did that as a safety
call for everybody there was.

(01:59:37):
It can be re-entered,especially on the class b
warrant there was so tim justposted.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Are you on instagram and don't want alan to read your
comments?
Join our discord and someoneelse will read them.
And the discord thing is rightthere on the page.
Guys.
Um, from view on instagram forthe driver it seems like it's
clear escalation only good forofficer, not citizen.
But I understand your point,thank you.

(02:00:02):
Um, yeah, I for the getting outof the vehicle.
I'm just again.
It's a case by case basis.
Most of the time, I would say90% of the time.
No, I'm not having them stepout.
There may be, there's always anoutlier, guys, there's always
an outlier.
There's always a reason thatI'm, and if I'm doing it for a

(02:00:23):
said reason, I'm going to it'sgoing to be articulated.
I'm going to tell you why.
I'm going to tell you why Ithink that is.
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I think Alan's wearing hisretro rifle tonight.
Let's get him on the.
What are you wearing tonight?
By the way, I don't look like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
I don't remember it was.
It came out last month.
I don't remember the name of it, so it was sharks, Well it was
shark week very recently, sothat makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Yeah, check out retro rifle big uh.
Sponsor of the show.
We love them, um, but uh, yeah.
So yeah, getting people out ofthe car, I'm with you guys, I'm
not, uh, I'm not a big fan of it, and usually the arguments to
get them out just seem dumb,like I got him out of the car
for my safety but now you justput yourself in a way that he

(02:01:37):
could fight back better.
I get it if you're trying toseparate him from a weapon that
you see that makes sense, butmost of the time that's not the
case.
So what's Mama G saying?
Eric, keep watching, it getsworse.
I'm done, I'm done with it.
We're already mad we alreadyknow it's not right.

(02:01:58):
Everything about it's not right.
I don't want to ruin my night.

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
Yep Tim's already sent me the names involved.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Yeah, I don't want to ruin my night, so I'm going to
go to another video that youguys shared.
I think Mr Bill Fould sent thisone in, so he's one of my
favorite people ever, so I wantto get his video up there.
So, uh, oh, oh, yeah, oh yeah,um, okay, let's go to biggie
size.

(02:02:27):
About there we go.
All right, let's see what he'sgot here.
I like it.
He's got his.
Uh, what do you call them?
Gloves the mechanic gloves?
Got his mechanic gloves.
That's a that Gloves.
The mechanic gloves.
Got his mechanic gloves.
That's a.
That's a police officer's cheapway of having gloves to wear.
I like them.

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
I still got four, or five cents.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
Always find them at AutoZone.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
They don't have my size, I got to order them.

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
I'm sure you do, I'm not many.
I'm sure not many people haveyour size, buddy.

Speaker 7 (02:02:58):
Do you guys have cowboys?

Speaker 5 (02:03:02):
I'm not gonna lie, I have not watched hey how we
doing pretty good what we'redoing.
It is okay.
Why do you have your gloves on?
I always wear my gloves, okay,why you have a mask on?

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
okay, fair, I I'm the same way.
I put gloves on on every callguys.
That's just from experience,because if I have to suddenly
run after somebody, tacklesomebody, help somebody, I I
want gloves on, I don't want I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:03:34):
I'm just curious on why we're making context so far.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
I'm not saying, anyway, I was gonna say to me
what if I were to guess?
It looks like a first amendmentauditor outside of a bank,
because that looked like a bank,and people called because he's
filming.
So it sounds like it's what wegot going on here do I not have
the right to have a mask?

Speaker 5 (02:03:55):
absolutely.
But what are you doing filmingthe bank?
Cody High Roller's doing thatExactly what it seems like, for
what Is there not a FirstAmendment?

Speaker 10 (02:04:02):
There is a.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
First Amendment.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
Oops, sorry.

Speaker 5 (02:04:04):
But you've got people concerned, so I'm just asking
what you're doing.

Speaker 10 (02:04:08):
So my right to record as people concerned,
uh-huh, so you enforce feelings,no.

Speaker 6 (02:04:14):
I'm just asking what you're doing.

Speaker 10 (02:04:15):
Why don't you enforce the?

Speaker 5 (02:04:16):
law.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
Get your hands out of your pockets Okay.

Speaker 10 (02:04:18):
Thank you, it's pretty cold.

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
That's an ego thing right away.
Are you shaking your head?
What are you shaking your headfor?

Speaker 4 (02:04:27):
What's the fuck Excuse my French what's the
fucking reason for checking outwith this dude?
There's no reason.
Drive by Yep.
I see him Ain't breaking thelaw.
I'm going to lunch.

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
See ya, yep, easy, easy, peasy.
Mag Dump said the chief and thelieutenant at DeKalb have
resigned following thatencounter.
Oh shit, damn, you made thechief retire, quit.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
Well, it makes me wonder if they were the chief
and lieutenant, Like that's asmall enough department, small
department.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
Yeah, you're right.
I think we're down to two, twoofficers now from what I found
earlier.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Um want to be early to theparty before it gets big, and I
mean huge, head over.
Tim's on a roll tonight.
Y'all is tim.
Is tim's selling it?

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
I love it.
He's matching that beard.
Baby, baby, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
My butt hurts.
Sorry, I got to changepositions here.
Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
Alan reach over and give him some support.
I understand.

Speaker 10 (02:05:26):
I don't have gloves like you, so you want some.
No, I'm good.
Okay, I like to have my handsup.
You got any ID on?

Speaker 5 (02:05:31):
you.
Why would I need that?
I'm just wanting to find outwho you are.
You got a baskin.

Speaker 6 (02:05:35):
I can't see your face .

Speaker 5 (02:05:36):
Exactly.
We're in public.
You are, but you need to vacatein front of the bank.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Where am I Do, I Do, I need to fucking leave in a
public fucking sidewalk.
I need to leave, I need tovacate.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
Okay, look at this, everybody February of 2025, 2025
, and you still got a freakingretard with, with a, with a
badge, and I'm gonna call him Idon't care if I get you're gonna
get it canceled because it ishis freaking command staff that
is failing that community.
He's not receiving the righttraining no, for sure, this

(02:06:12):
right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
You know okay, all right, okay, let me Sure you
know okay, all right, okay, letme, let me.
Let me try to be in his shoes.
Okay, hands out of the pockets.
I'm making contact because wehad a call about you because
you're a white ninja outside ofthe bank.
So I'm concerned about thegreat white ninja, and so, sir,

(02:06:41):
I would actually argue that yourhands being in your pockets is
probably better for my safety,because a ninja's hands released
could be bad for everybody.
So oh, I'm sorry, I don't meanto make fun, I'm not trying to
make light of this poor citizensituation, but this cop is out

(02:07:05):
of control.
Already we got the ID crackalready he was like I need your
ID, I need it now.
Oh, I need a bump of ID.
Oh, t-shirt, id T-shirt idea.
I said ID T-shirt idea.
I said ID T-shirt idea.
We could have a bump of ID.
It could be like a cocaineshirt.
Read that question for me, alan.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
Okay, so off Instagram for the driver.
Hold on For the driver.
It seems like it's a clearescalation, not only good for
the officer, not the citizen.
Hold on For the driver.
It seems like it's a clearescalation, not only good for
the officer, not the citizen.
But understand your point.
Sorry, based off your reactionsabout the scenarios, assume
you're not fans of the whole ICEscenarios.
Snatching people's masks up,masked up.

(02:07:53):
Snatching people's masks up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:56):
And so what that person's.
You know there was a big thingI believe out on the West Coast
and I could be wrong aboutfederal officers, did you fall
backwards in?
Your chair.
We're going to pretend likethat never happened, okay.
Oh, it happened my calf flexedand it hit the little release on
my shack chair.

(02:08:16):
Yes, release on my shack chair.
Yes, this is a shack chair.
It's big enough to becomfortable in.
Yeah, that's a big and tallchair and it fell back.
So, anyway, there was a lot ofstuff on social media in
reference to federal agentsgoing to sack up whatever you
want to call it undocumented orwhatever and masks, and I don't
know why they did it.

(02:08:37):
I don't know why they you know,I've never seen them do that in
the past, unless it was aspecial op, etc.
But I believe that that's whatthat person is commenting yeah,
um, wade lucero said hi or?

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
I'm here looking for pictures of cops to sell to
cartels.

Speaker 3 (02:08:54):
Oh shit, jesus, he's probably taking pictures of
debit cards from out there.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
Yeah, yeah, he's zooming in on private
information with his iphone.
I mean, they're pretty good.
But, um, ward, you got any ofthat sweet id on?
You got a bump of id.
I need a bump man.
All right, let's keep goingyou're in lake ozark, missouri

(02:09:23):
am I not on the public easement?

Speaker 10 (02:09:25):
you are, so why do I need to vacate the public?

Speaker 5 (02:09:27):
sidewalk because you've got people nervous and
they're wanting to know whatyou're doing.
Give me a lawful order.
I am giving you a lawful orderyou need to you need to move the
area, let me ask you, this Dudeyoung man, I'm not going to
play this game with you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
Ego, a hundred percent Young man.
He's right away.
You're too young.
You can't talk to me this way.
I know more about the law thanyou.
You can't do this, soun-fucking-real Eyes wide open,
eric.
I wanted to know how you guyswould have acted in the last
video when the guys needed tocalf himself.

(02:10:02):
I don't know what you mean.
I wouldn't have ever told anyof those people to get out of
the car.
Your dude was blind.
I'm not asking him out of thecar.
Dude was paralyzed.
I'm not asking him out of thecar.
They've got hard enough.
Lives as it is.
They want to smoke a littleweed.
I don't give a fuck, especiallyif I pull them over for their
taillight being out or, I'msorry, their license plate light

(02:10:24):
being out.
Don't give a fuck.
So it wouldn't have happened.
Um, tim, stop being a ninjaauditor.
Keep your hands in your pocketsand head to our discord and
show you, show us your id skills.
Oh my god, tim, what.
I think tim's been on some weedtonight.

(02:10:44):
I think it was caught himselfand he's he's right in a good
window for himself.
I love it.
It's the weed man you're right.

Speaker 5 (02:10:54):
Okay, let's keep it I'm not gonna play this game
with you.
You're qualified immunity.

Speaker 10 (02:10:58):
You need to step you need to get started, you need
to get the step.
I'm asking you to pull outyourself it's actually you
fucking with them.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Pretty good, do you wave your qualified immunity?
I mean, that's really whatyou're trying to do here, sir
I'm thinking this officerprobably didn't even know what
that means.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
You know, this.

Speaker 4 (02:11:15):
This officer needs to get on the radio and say hey,
dispatch, go ahead and send thecity treasurer out here with a
blank check.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
I've already done, fucked up.
What's harrison asking me?
Uh, did you watch the wholevideo?
Yeah, yeah, I.
I just didn't watch the thecivil rights lawyer whole video
version, but yes, I did watch it.
I think you guys had shared iton the discord and I watched it
then and I was severely upsetand I just didn't want to

(02:11:41):
comment because I wanted toshare it on here.
So now you guys know how I feel.
If that's what you werewondering.

Speaker 10 (02:11:51):
I'm asking you to get your sergeant I don't have
to get my sergeant.
Get.
Sergeant Meyer I don't have todo that.
Get Sergeant Meyer.
I'm asking you to get yoursergeant.
I don't have to get my sergeant.
Get Sergeant Meyer, I don'thave to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Get Sergeant Meyer.
I'm asking you to get asergeant here.
You don't know the law, yeah,okay.
So, to the cop's credit, thiskid's wrong.
You are not legally bound toget a supervisor, that's a
policy issue.
So he's wrong on thatparticular part here.
For me, me, if it was me, I'mall about the supervisor stuff.

(02:12:20):
Even as a supervisor, I told myguys hey, if they call me and
you, if they want me out there,give me the option, let me know.
I want to know and that's ourpolicy anyway.
But I will always make scene ifI can make it.
Sometimes you just can't.
But um, but yeah.
So what'd wade say?
I'm going to need to see a copyof a credited police academy
cert and employment agreementand a sworn statement.

(02:12:42):
You're not on any Brady list, Ithink.
I don't know if he's talkingabout Wade.
Are you asking about me or areyou asking about the?

Speaker 4 (02:12:53):
No, I think he's talking about the free loop of
the body.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
I'm just curious um everybody, okay so here's a
great question and I know uhthis let us know, I'm asking
both of you is this?
You get this.
How are you going to have theconversation with the mass ninja
?

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
I'm not let's.
Let's get it clear right now ifI get this call, I'm not making
contact.
I'm going to drive by, I'mgoing to park somewhere, I'm
going to watch and observe forthe next 10 minutes, if that, if
you're lucky enough to get that, and I'm gonna go.
He's on a public sidewalk.
I don't give a fuck and I'mdone and I'm out and I'm gonna

(02:13:31):
take it to another level.

Speaker 4 (02:13:32):
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna look in my, in my rmsor mobile, whatever it is I
have in my car, and I'm gonna totake it to another level.
I'm going to.
I'm going to look in my, in myRMS or mobile, whatever it is I
have in my car, and I'm going tofind the complainant's phone
number.
I'm going to give him a call.
My body camera is going to beactivated and I'm going to
educate them, if they haven'tbeen so already, on what is
public, what is not.
Don't call the police unlessyou need them, unless it's an
emergency period.
This what this gentleman isdoing.

(02:13:54):
I don't care what he looks liketo you or how he makes you feel
he's not breaking the law.
I'm sitting here and looking athim.
Have a great day.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
Hopefully you never call again unless it's an
emergency and nice words, yeahthis needs to be an educational
call to the complainant, not tothis guy.
Or you guys will meet me, so Imay actually and cody high
roller, he's in listening rightnow.
I did this to him.
We actually got a call aboutcody.

(02:14:22):
I didn't give a shit.
I was like, well, I'm not gonnamake contact with him as a call
, I'm gonna make contact withhim as a consensual encounter.
And I probably would have donethat with this guy and be like
hey, man, just so you knowpeople are calling about you,
but I don't care, I'm not herefor that.
You mind talking to me?

Speaker 4 (02:14:40):
hey, well that's, oh, that's the what you just said
right there, eric.
Make it a conceptual encounter.
Hey man, I gotta call on you,mind if we talk hey, do you
pound sand?
Cool, see you later.
And then I'm gonna go call thecomplainant.
He just exercised his right,we're done.

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
And then there's nothing to freaking and then I'm
gonna give him the best footageof his life of a cop that is
knows his shit and I isconfident in it, and be like,
hey, dude, you're not violatinganything.
I just want to let you knowthat I'm gonna actually go make
contact with the people callingabout you and put them in their
place.
I'm gonna be respectful aboutit and I'm gonna let them know

(02:15:12):
that what you're doing isconstitutionally protected and
making an educational thing allthe way around.
So whatever video he puts out,he just got a good impression
from a cop and then whateverthat person that called got,
they got educated and they'renot going to be a repeat caller,
hopefully.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
Can we start finding out who these officers are and
then send a nice envelope tothat department with one of
these in there and say with alink, you were just reviewed on
our channel.
We'd love to know your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (02:15:43):
Oh, that's a good fucking idea.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
Holy shit, did you guys hear that A Marine, a
fucking Marine, had a good idea?

Speaker 4 (02:15:53):
Let me take my implant out.
He's got that neural link.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
All right, new mission, mission, new mission.
Motherfuckers, that's what'sgoing down with two cops, one
donut.

Speaker 4 (02:16:04):
Would you guys Like to sponsor a badge Each time we
do this A ghost badge and onceyou do, when we review a video.
We'll figure out the department.
We'll send it to that publicdepartment.
Address to OfficerSchmuckatelli.
Hey, we reviewed it.
Here's a link to it video.
We'll figure out the department.
We'll send it to that publicdepartment.
Address to officerschmuckatelli.
Hey, we reviewed it.
Here's a link to it.
If you'd like to watch it.
We'd love to have your comments.
Oh, you didn't like it.
Would you like to come on theshow?

(02:16:24):
Yeah, matter of fact, maybe wecan go live with the same body
cam you fucked up on and we cango on the show.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Yes, yes, um, I bro, holy shit.
I think you just, I think youjust expanded the nature of the
show.
I'm in, I fucking like it.
And we could be wrong.
That's the best part.
We could be wrong and theycould get on here and explain no
, this is what we knew, this iswhat we did, this is why we did
it.
Oh, fuck, my bad, this is howwe seen it, this is how the

(02:16:53):
video appeared to us, but whatyou said makes sense, and then
we'll explain, because we can bewrong.
That's okay.
It's okay to be wrong aboutthese things.
Mr Belfort said they won't showSergeant Levine on it because
it would be warm and fuzzy feels.
But yeah, I agree with you andthis is the one thing that I'm

(02:17:14):
hoping that a lot of people thatwatch us understand is it's
okay for us to be wrong.
I I have been somebody called meout because and they actually
were trying to call me outbecause I I jumped uh, mr
billfold, shit about beinghypocritical about something.
I I don't even remember whatthe conversation was about, but

(02:17:36):
I was like, not hypocritical,but he was calling me a
hypocrite.
I was saying that Mr Biffold,like he ignored this part, and
then I got on something and Iwas commenting and the guy goes
oh, you just jumped this otherguy for ignoring a complete part
and then you did the same thing.
You're a hypocrite.
I'm like listen, I put myselfout there, I'm on social media,

(02:18:00):
I am going to be a hypocrite, Ipromise you on that.
It's going to happen, becausehow I feel in the moment on a
video and I make a response, itcould change a week down the
road.
And the reason why it couldchange is because you fuckers
changed my mind on so manythings all the time that I
changed my stance.
So, yeah, it's going to appearthat I'm hypocritical at times.

(02:18:22):
I'm okay with that, butunderstand that.
That's just how life is.
I don't have a rigid stance onanything.
I get new information, shitchanges is what it is, so you
know.
Can I add to it?

Speaker 4 (02:18:41):
Let's say we start.
You know, because our, oureverybody that is aligned with
us and comes on the show everyweek they send a you.
You have to agree with me.
They sent us some amazing shitthat we didn't even know that
was out there Meaning on on onwhere people, human beings, fuck
up.
That's carrying a badge.
If we get one that goes reallywell enough on the show and we

(02:19:02):
send them the badge with thelink and try to get their
comment.
If they don't comment, let'sutilize that public space in
front of their department, setup a podcast studio, pull a
permit if we need to set outthere and do a live show in
front of that police departmentand ask people about what went
viral online and what the, whatthe community's thoughts are on
it and we can give them ours.
Let's empower the communitywith a little bit of peer

(02:19:27):
pressure and and frigging.
Start fixing this groundworkand you know what do you call it
?
Ground roots or whatever andfrigging, get the shit fixed.

Speaker 1 (02:19:35):
Yep, I love that Cody's still on.
This is one of my favoritethings.
We've attracted first amendmentauditors to the point where
they they're supporting the show.
I mean, how many cops can saythat they've done that?
I don't think there's a lot outthere.
I don't think there's any outthere, to be honest.
So, yeah, and Alan, uh, feelfree when you get the Instagram

(02:19:57):
comments and stuff and you wantto just just jump on it, man.

Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
Um, I uh just trying different things to figure out
how to use it and get it going.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
Yeah, Cody Hiro said that's.
The one thing I like about theshow is maybe we get it wrong,
but we're smart enough to getfigured out and move forward in
a positive direction.
Absolutely um led billboardtruck.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
They're trying to make me like long island auditor
uh we ain't at that level sowhat's going on with what's the
latest update with that?
What?
What have you heard lately onthat?

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
situation, oh, with long island audit.
What I've heard is that Faheyhas retired.
Sounds like there's some sortof FBI pressure.
The FBI is investigating.
I think that his days arenumbered when the FBI gets
involved, because right now itis open season on corruption.

(02:20:52):
That's what that whole Dogething was.
I don't care what your politicsare, I don't give a fuck about
that.
Fbi is not dicking around, sothey're gonna know here's my,
here's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:21:05):
Okay, I can hashtag that at the death.
I say that a lot.
The dude doesn't deserve aretirement.
You pull that kind of shit.
You do not deserve a retirementand I don't care if the cops
get pissed off at me for sayingthat.
I can give a flying shit less.
You do that kind of shit.
You don't deserve yourretirement.
Chuck, you swore an oath.
You broke your frigging oathwhen you did that.

(02:21:27):
On all those incidents DoneYou're done.
Welcome to Walmart, if they'lleven hire you, whatever Flippin'
burgers.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
Dude, you call it whatever flipping burgers, dude,
you're done.
I'm just this is what I like.
Wade lucero I admit eric was abit too much in the beginning,
but getting better.
The thing that I like, wade, isthat you stuck around and you
didn't just let one episode orone small part make your mind up
.
You.
You sat there and you you grewthrough it with us and that's
the thing with what we're doing.
I guarantee everybody on thispanel me especially I am not set

(02:22:04):
in stone.
I constantly change my mindabout things all the time.
Qualified immunity was a big oneand mostly, admittedly, because
I just didn't understand it.
I didn't know what it was.
I just knew it was a thing forcops that you know if you're
trying to do the right thing andyou fuck up, then it's there to
protect you.
That's how I knew it and that'sthe only way I knew it.
But then I talked to guys likeMr Billfold and learned, like

(02:22:29):
all these cops that have losttheir qualified immunity, they
didn't really up getting anyfinancial loss later on, even
when they, it's a hundredpercent clear that they fucked
up.
So I have learned a lot throughthis show and that is one of
the things that I like about itthe most.

Speaker 4 (02:22:47):
Yeah, we also need to go ahead and raise money to get
a new bar that's called punch amotherfucker in the face.
I mean, if you get invited tothat, yeah, so we're going to
get a bar.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
We're going to call it what is it?

Speaker 6 (02:23:00):
Let me write it down.
We need that big old punchingbag in there too.

Speaker 3 (02:23:07):
And we have to serve steaks to the guys that we need
to invite and buy on a steak.

Speaker 4 (02:23:13):
Well, we need that punching bag from that show
what's it called Blacklist,where that bad guy always puts
his enemy inside the punchingbag, and he's just just freaking
unloading on it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
Man, sorry, I just wanted to see it you're, I
wanted to see the letters, soit's uh, yeah, yeah, pam fit
toiff, that's the bar name rightthere.
Yeah, oh, shit, okay, all right, let's get back to this video.
I want to see the white ninjaand see how this ends.

Speaker 10 (02:23:46):
I know the law.

Speaker 5 (02:23:46):
You're a dangerous man 29 years I've been doing it.

Speaker 10 (02:23:49):
You got your gloves on.
You're ready to put your handson me?
I'm not going to put my handson you.
My hands are on my vest.
You gave me an unlawful orderto vacate when I'm on a public
sidewalk.
You are on a public sidewalk,so why?

Speaker 5 (02:23:58):
would I need to leave ?

Speaker 6 (02:23:59):
I'm giving you a lawful order that you need to
vacate in front of the area.

Speaker 5 (02:24:02):
Young man, I'm not.
Yeah, you're free to go, I'mfree to stay.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
Damn, that was quick.
He goes.
I'm free to go, I'm free tostay.
You're, sir.
That was fucking cool.
I'm gonna replay that.
That was actually fuckingfucking fast.

Speaker 6 (02:24:21):
I'm not, I can't even think that great that was good.

Speaker 1 (02:24:25):
Too many letters for a marine.
If it was written in differentcolor crayons, he'd be good when
I'm on a public side.

Speaker 10 (02:24:34):
You are a public side, so why would I need to
leave?
I'm giving you a lawful orderthat you need to vacate.
When I'm on a public sidewalk.
You are on a public sidewalk,so why would I need to?

Speaker 5 (02:24:37):
leave.
I'm giving you a lawful orderthat you need to vacate in front
of the area.
Young man?
I'm not yeah you're free to go,I'm free to stay.

Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
God damn, that's quick.
Am I free?
He set him up too.
That's a lawyer.
Move right there Am.

Speaker 6 (02:24:49):
I free to go suck a dick bye.

Speaker 4 (02:25:01):
Oh man, that is so fucking funny, uh, craig holcomb
hey, fair enough, I don't blameyou.
That's why I asked him to be onthe show I don't think I have
ever asked or stated to somebody.
I've just given you a lawfulorder.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:25:17):
That has never come out.
I'm I, I give, I'm only goingto tell somebody to do something
because it's just, and if itisn't just, we go a different
route.
And I've never had anybody comeback on it it's.
I've had great trainers.
I worked at great agents.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
Okay, I worked at a great agency that gave you my
training.
Hold on, wait a minute, man.
Like you tell anybody to doanything.

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
It's like I know and they fucking sit down.

Speaker 3 (02:25:44):
Yeah, that ain't I'm over here, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:45):
Please put your hands behind your back right and he's
like you know, you're standingthere and you got a slingshot
and the next guy comes up withan m240 and you're like well, of
course, I am.

Speaker 4 (02:25:56):
I'm not a tough guy either, I'm very reasonable.

Speaker 6 (02:26:00):
He gets out his man hand and it's like.

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
I know you fucking grizzly bear over here.
Oh my God, I'm a teddy bear.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:26:10):
I am, I'm seriously the nicest.
Everybody's like man.
He looks mean.

Speaker 1 (02:26:19):
I am anything but you are a fucking war veteran.

Speaker 4 (02:26:21):
That's all I see every time, every time you know,
just to bring this personal,every time I take my beautiful
daughter, my wife, out to eat,we'll go, we we always travel.
We always travel to eat becausethere's nothing to nothing to
eat around here.
So we'll go travel to eat atsome mexican restaurant or
chinese whatever.
And my wife looks at me and shegoes smile.
I'm like why are you asking meto smile?

(02:26:42):
She goes you look like you'reabout to freaking kill everybody
and I'm just that's so.
She's like you have a restingeye.
She's like I love you to death,but you got a nice.
I'm like, well, okay, there yougo.
She's like now you look morecrazy.
And I'm like, oh gosh, okay,there you go.
She's like now you look morecrazy.
And I'm like, gosh, darn it,all right, whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:26:59):
Makes sense.
I'm with her.
I believe it.
Oh shit, All right, let's keepgoing.

Speaker 5 (02:27:08):
You need to vacate the area.
I'm not vacating.
Yeah, you are.
You can go with me then, soyou're going to put your hands
on me.

Speaker 10 (02:27:14):
So you're going to put your hands on me.
I am.
I asked you to put your handson me.

Speaker 6 (02:27:17):
I'm not getting Sergeant Meyer.

Speaker 5 (02:27:19):
I've asked you to move.
I've asked you to get SergeantMeyer.
I've asked you to move.

Speaker 7 (02:27:23):
I've asked you to get Sergeant Meyer Kid's eating it
up.
He knows he won.

Speaker 10 (02:27:28):
Hey, excuse me.
He threw my phone down on theground, guys.
I sure did oh.

Speaker 4 (02:27:34):
I sure did?

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
Oh, I sure did, and he owned it and he admits, it.
Yeah, I sure fucking did, oh my.

Speaker 4 (02:27:40):
God.

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
Tap another $1,500 on to that frigging six-year-old.
I'm happy for this kid.

Speaker 4 (02:27:47):
I'm happy.
What's the agency?
Is this our first agency?

Speaker 7 (02:27:49):
we're going to it could be, it could be.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (02:27:55):
Well, that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (02:27:58):
They don't have a pro team.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
If you don't have a pro sports team, odds are you
got a lot of departments thatare going to get in trouble.

Speaker 5 (02:28:07):
They're not as trained, Yep you good, yeah, I'm
good, you my phone right there,I sure did.

Speaker 10 (02:28:14):
Why'd you do that?
Hey, can you get my phone, sir?
I'm asking you, do you not wantto get Sergeant Meyer out here?
No, I'll take you to him, whynot?

Speaker 5 (02:28:25):
Even better, huh.

Speaker 10 (02:28:26):
You're going to unlock it.
You're going to unlock it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
Just curious, mr Belfold, is there a need for us
to watch any more of this?
I think we kind of got what wewanted out of it.
I this I think we kind of gotwhat we wanted out of it.
I've got more videos lined up,but, um, if there's something
really good, I wanted to uh, Iwant to make sure we hit that
for you.
Cody high roller said banningis a real good guy and has a
great insight.
I respect him so thank you, Iappreciate that.

(02:28:50):
Uh, cody I.
I just I don't know if you'reaware, but you have completely
lost the ability to ever try touh, to audit me again, because I
probably will never be in thestreets again, sir.
So I got a new job, not a new.
I'm at the same place, but I'mjust in a position where I'm not
on the streets anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:29:09):
So hey, throw uh perry lemley's second from the
top comment up there.
That's pretty fucking funny.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
Fucktardia run strong .
I never heard that one.
I like it.

Speaker 4 (02:29:24):
Perry's a good dude.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
There is 12 parts to constitutional law in Missouri.
I think that's what you'resaying.
Yes, the supervisor.
Oh, somebody's telling me tokeep going.

Speaker 4 (02:29:35):
Yes, the supervisor shows up it says another what
kind of body camera is this?
Oh, is that not for freeYouTube?
Or this is the for?

Speaker 3 (02:29:44):
you sorry, I just shared my feelings.
When he's you know, when he'sdeputy out there going to chase
the big blue ox there.

Speaker 6 (02:29:58):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:30:06):
You're welcome, Danny .
I love you.
I may have to find some bodycamera footage to share.

Speaker 5 (02:30:10):
I'm not arresting you , I'm just detaining you.

Speaker 10 (02:30:12):
For what crime?
For what crime?
For what crime?
Don't turn my phone on.
Don't turn my phone on.
That is my first.
For what crime Don't turn myphone off?
Don't turn my phone off.
That is my first amendment torecord.
Do not turn my phone off.
Do not turn my phone off.

Speaker 3 (02:30:24):
Do not.
I think every time he says thatit's another zero, Okay, we're
done.
No, how do I turn it off?

Speaker 10 (02:30:31):
He turned my phone off.

Speaker 5 (02:30:32):
How do I turn your phone off?
Just throw it on.

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
How did I turn your?

Speaker 5 (02:30:35):
phone off.
You threw my phone on theground.
It doesn't get free entry,exactly.

Speaker 10 (02:30:37):
You threw my phone on the ground.
Your phone is going up here.
Okay, that's fine.
I'm asking you to charge yourmind right here.
You're making a mistake.

Speaker 5 (02:30:43):
What's your name?
I'm not telling you my name.
Well, you're failing toidentify yourself, so that's why
you're getting.

Speaker 10 (02:30:55):
What crime have I?

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
committed.
You're Okay, so we've explainedthis before.
But if you're new to the show,failure to identify is a
secondary offense.
They have to be under arrestfor that to be a thing, or
failure to identify can be for alawful traffic stop, at least
in the state of Texas.

Speaker 4 (02:31:15):
I want to go find the buffet that these two cops go
eat at for free and be a fly onthe wall after this stop.

Speaker 1 (02:31:20):
I guarantee it's a golden colon.
I'm sorry, golden corral.

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
You see how I handled that boy.
You're going to remember me.
That's the way it's going to be, man, sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:31:33):
Hey, cody, I'll talk about it.
Eric, we actually watchedanother encounter that you put
on the air, uh when eric wasn'tinvolved, uh, of a bad situation
we recorded and eric was nothappy with it and he spoke to
that individual.

Speaker 1 (02:31:49):
So yeah, leave it there.
Only so much I can.
You guys totally understandanything that involves where I
work.
You just can't do it on here.
So I feel free.
I can't stop y'all from doingit.
I'm not going to share itbecause I can't personally be or
put anything that involves myown agency.

(02:32:09):
I just can't do it.
I can't risk it.
If you guys like what we'redoing and how we're doing it,
just know it'll involve everyagency out there but my own.
So that's how I keep doing this.
So it's just part of policing.
This is why this is so rare toget cops to do what we're doing,
because there's a risk of beingfired.

(02:32:34):
So DTV in the house.
Make sure you guys are checkingout DTV.
That is the extension of whatwe got going on with the new
Matt Thornton show that we gotcoming out.
We've been editing a lot of thenew Matt Thornton stuff, so
that's going to be coming out.
We're flying to Arizona here intwo weeks to film two pilot
episodes for some other stuff.

(02:32:54):
We got a lot of cool thingscoming around the corner with
DTV.
So, guys, make sure you checkthat out.
I'm glad to see my buddy Chrisjumped on to spread the DTV love
.
He said what?
What Centurion Tactical saidMissouri is a stop and identify
state.
However, individuals are notrequired to identify themselves

(02:33:17):
if there's no reasonablesuspicion.
You're exactly right.
That is what in a stop and IDstate and I think we talked
about this specifically withColorado on one of the videos
that we put out In a stop and IDstate it doesn't mean you just
get to stop whoever they have tobe suspected of a crime.
Get to stop whoever they haveto be suspected of a crime.

(02:33:40):
Standing out on a publicsidewalk and filming.
Good luck articulating thecrime.
What's the crime Doesn't count,so let's keep going Luke
Sevenoy Miller.

Speaker 5 (02:33:54):
I got one detained 708.

Speaker 3 (02:33:56):
Miller, I got one detained.
Look at the Oaks.

Speaker 1 (02:34:00):
He just said he got one detained.
Did he tell that guy he wasunder arrest when he got him?

Speaker 3 (02:34:07):
He did 708 702.
Is he calling his supervisor?

Speaker 4 (02:34:17):
now.

Speaker 5 (02:34:18):
He'll never answer his radio.
He'll be cold, no good signalis moving through Good.
Hey, can you come to CentralBank and see if you can identify
this subject?
He's been asking for you forthe last five minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:34:46):
That's where you get frustrated, as a supervisor,
Like you know, you better tellme all the facts so when I go to
walk up to that car car I knowwhy I'm really looking at this
subject my guys yeah mag dump,I'm gonna push back on you a
little bit, but I I have metfrank face to face.

Speaker 1 (02:35:05):
We have talked.
We've talked so many times.
I really don't believepersonally that he's garbage.
I think he's a good dude.
I really do think he doespolicing.
Stand up, take it for what itis.
You can either trust what yousee out on the internet or you
can trust in me and I won'tblame you either way.

(02:35:25):
But I know Banning's met him.
I have met him.
I've met him.
I'm hoping.

Speaker 4 (02:35:38):
Frank has helped a lot of people off that camera
that he would never even want togo back to retards.
You know proclaim, he justhelps people and it's uh.
I understand why people don'tlike that.
I understand you know the wholetyrancy on traffic stops and I
I get that.
I get both sides of it, but Iknow the guy yeah, I, I would
highly recommend that you atleast.

Speaker 1 (02:35:55):
You know I'm not going to change your mind, I'm
not trying to change your mind.
I'm just telling you personallyI don't agree with you guys and
it's not the experience I'vehad, so, but I don't work with
them either, so I'll put thatout there.
Marine Blood said Eric, youneed to encourage the rest of
the host to join discord.
So yeah, I think they're all onthere.
Banning's on there.
We're going to get we do needto get Trey, I believe.

(02:36:19):
So yeah, we're going to geteverybody on there.
Everybody's going to have theirown individual channels.

Speaker 3 (02:36:25):
Okay, I just lost Instagram at two hours and 35
minutes.
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (02:36:29):
Not too bad.
At least they know where to go.
Sorry, I was looking at acomment.
I thought I saw, oh, mrBillelfort.
He said he was not arrested, hewas detained for failure to
identify.
Yeah, there you go, which Iwould argue that any reasonable
person would believe thatthey're under arrest because
they got handcuffed, put in theback of a car and told that that

(02:36:50):
was because they didn'tidentify.

Speaker 7 (02:36:53):
That was pretty clear yeah.
So I know his name.

Speaker 5 (02:36:58):
I just can't think of it right now gave him an awful
order to move out in front ofthe bank.
He's got people nervous andhe's failing to identify himself
.

Speaker 1 (02:37:07):
I'm sorry, I thought it was fucking America.
I don't give a fuck how youfeel.
We just did feelingsenforcement.
I don't care that people feelnervous or whatever.
Let them.
Let them unfucking real.

(02:37:34):
Oh my gosh, that's hard to getthem to get.

Speaker 6 (02:37:39):
You guys are here.
Looks like a supervisor's car.

Speaker 5 (02:37:54):
He's been screaming and hollering for you anyway,
says he knows you.
That's what he said.
He won't take his mask down.
He won't tell me who he is Isyour buddy Kim on.

Speaker 10 (02:38:07):
It is Sergeant Myers .
What am I doing to you?
You know his.
I'm familiar with him.
I don't remember your nameright off my head.
What am I doing to you?
Well, I'm familiar with him.
I don't remember your nameright off my head.
What am I doing to cause?
Well, he detained you for hisinvestigation.
He couldn't tell me what crimeI committed.

Speaker 5 (02:38:21):
You failed to comply with the lawful order I done
told you, I told you to getmoving and I told you to
identify yourself.
What crime have I committed?

Speaker 10 (02:38:28):
I just told you, before you were here on this
scene, what crime have Icommitted?
None, okay.
So why do I have to ID myself?

Speaker 5 (02:38:34):
Because I gave you a lawful order to do so, because
I'm investigating on why you'restanding out here in front of me
.

Speaker 10 (02:38:39):
You cannot reasonably, you cannot
articulate who a criminal can be.

Speaker 5 (02:38:42):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 10 (02:38:44):
All right, let me get the.
He can't articulate who acriminal can be.

Speaker 5 (02:38:46):
Once you tell me who you are, you're going.

Speaker 10 (02:38:50):
That is the.

Speaker 5 (02:38:54):
I can figure his name out, because what he was doing
he wasn't breaking any laws bybeing on the sidewalk and I
asked him.
I said hey, you've got peoplein here nervous.
Would you mind stepping downthe road for me?
He goes am I on a publiceasement?
And I'm like, yeah, he goes.
Why is your fucking gloves on?
I said I wear them all the timewhen I deal with people and he
goes well, I ain't fuckingmoving.
I said I'm giving you an orderto get to stepping and identify

(02:39:15):
yourself and pull your mask down.
Fuck you, I ain't going to dothat either.
I said okay, if you're notgoing to identify yourself,
you're going back in my caruntil you identify yourself.
But he wasn't bringing any laws.

Speaker 1 (02:39:24):
So you just held him hostage to compel him to give
you information you're notentitled to?
Oh, you are so fucked You'redone.
Oh, my god, you just admittedto kidnapping Somebody, you
fucking moron.

Speaker 4 (02:39:38):
You know what?
I think we need to start havingDA's on here.
Yes, that's a good idea.
I want to start having DA's,you know.
I know there's a problem Withthat as well.
Let's have them on here.
Blind reaction my favorite partIs that he's trying to tell the
story, he embellishes it.

Speaker 1 (02:39:53):
He embellished it, why you got your fucking gloves
on and I'm like because Ifucking do guy.
He got all fucking New York forme, holy shit.

Speaker 3 (02:40:07):
I'm going to give this dude a free frigging coin
to come to the bar for freethere you go Banning's bar, you
need to make sure not to do itin your county, sir, oh my God,
you need to make sure not to doit in your county, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:40:18):
Oh, my God, oh God, I wouldn't be able to keep it
stocked in this county.

Speaker 1 (02:40:24):
I'm not going to go there, so I'm not going to get
on the sergeant's case yet.
I'm really close.
I want to see what he says.

Speaker 4 (02:40:34):
I'm very.
The sergeant doesn't haveenough to go on yet.

Speaker 1 (02:40:36):
And so I get what he's doing.
He's trying to put the wholestory together.
He's doing his due diligence.
I'm okay with the sergeant, sofar.

Speaker 5 (02:40:44):
He's allowed to film all day long.
Did they ever tell him to leaveor anything?
Or was he ever on?
They're saying he was on thegrass.
Wolf's double checking.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
It doesn't matter.
Hey, they're saying he was onthe grass.
Wolf's double checking that's.
It doesn't matter.
The good question I like wherethe sergeant's head's at.
He's asking was he on theproperty, was he asked to leave?
Doesn't matter anymore, becausethe officer already said he saw
him on the sidewalk.
That's where he was at and he'stotally allowed to film from
there.
He even said it out of hismouth, so he understands the guy
hasn't committed an offense.
And he said you ain't committedno offense.

(02:41:17):
So sorry, that's my Southern.
You guys know him from Michigan, so it's very hard for me to do
a Southern accent.

Speaker 5 (02:41:27):
Hey boy Bro.
He was on this portion of thegrass that's technically theirs.
That portion's not.
When I got here, he wasstanding on the sidewalk filming
which he's allowed to do.

Speaker 11 (02:41:38):
But I got here he was standing on the sidewalk
filming, which he's allowed todo, when I got him in the back
of my car does he not watch, buthe says, he knows you.

Speaker 8 (02:41:45):
Well, he's done some video requests before he's.
I know I can get his name.
I know that we haven't been areporter to you.
I just can't think of it rightoff.

Speaker 1 (02:41:59):
I'm going to disagree with you right now, white boy.
So far he's trying to get thestory together.
Give him some time.
I don't think he's had enoughtime to get the whole thing yet,
but we're real close.
I'm with you.
We're real close, but not yet.

Speaker 5 (02:42:16):
Wolf did a traffic stop on him here a while back,
but he's trying to find his nameand he can't find it.
Of course he locked it Once hetells me his name.

Speaker 10 (02:42:33):
It's free to go.
I've got his name.

Speaker 5 (02:42:39):
If there's no crime on their end, okay, okay, I'm
waiting for wolf to come back,and then we probably need to
want to know if they're going towant to trespass him from here
you can't.

Speaker 1 (02:42:46):
You can't trespass him.
He wasn't on the property whenhe was there.
When the officer saw him, hewas not on property.
You cannot trespass him.
This is, this is a very, very Iwould say.
I'm gonna go out on a limb andsay this is 75 officers think
that you can.
You can do this.
I don't know why this is sofucked up across the board.

(02:43:06):
The only people that reallyseem to understand trespassing
are big cities.
Uh, these smaller areas.
They, because they've gottenchallenged.
that's the yeah and they get itall the time.
These other places, like you,do not have what he needs to be
on property.
He needs to be told to leaveand afforded the ability to
leave and then refuse to leaveand when the cops get there then

(02:43:29):
they can go.
Okay, we're going to trespasshim.
When you got there, he was onpublic sidewalk.
He was not trespassing you.
When you got there, he was onpublic sidewalk, he was not
trespassing you can't trespass.
I mean you can't compel him tostay or ID to give him a
trespass warning, which is acivil thing.
A trespass warning is a civilissue.
A criminal trespass is now,they're under arrest.

(02:43:53):
There's a difference.
Whatever financial woes thisgentleman oh yeah, I was just
talking, I was just getting him.
Yes, andy, you're right, theydo it all the time, all the time
I this is one of my biggeststances that I will hold the
line on that.
Cops, keep fucking this up, upat egregious rates, egregious.

Speaker 3 (02:44:19):
Cody, they've never been challenged.

Speaker 1 (02:44:22):
Yeah, and you're right, I think that's part of
the problem is that nobody setit up.

Speaker 4 (02:44:28):
Why are we still doing check the box for frigging
state tests to become a peaceofficer?
Why are we not doing scenariobased to where a state auditor,
if you will, tester, comes outviews and writes his or her
notes on something?
How did he deal withconstitutional based scenarios?

Speaker 3 (02:44:47):
Cause we can't.
We still can't have theconversation when we're
interviewing them.
If they can actually talk tosomebody before we even get to
the academy, yeah, can you justhave a damn conversation?

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
Andy Fletcher said Jeff Gray works in big cities
all the time and they still pullthat crap.
I'm not saying that it doesn'texist in the big cities, it's
just less likely, very lesslikely.
And then I will say when itdoes happen, I bet it's older
officers.
A lot of times it's the olderofficers that fall for that.

Speaker 5 (02:45:19):
But I'm not going to play the game coming back every
20 minutes either.
Well, if he ain't on theirproperty, then he's not
trespassing.
No, I know that, but I'm justsaying I mean on their end,
before we kick him.

Speaker 10 (02:45:35):
I did not curse at him at all.
He said I said fuck you, and Idid not curse at him at all.

Speaker 5 (02:45:55):
That might just be a figure.
I always talk like that.
I did not curse at you.

Speaker 10 (02:45:59):
But regardless.

Speaker 5 (02:46:00):
I gave you it.
We're not going to over-talkeach other, we're not going to
over-talk, okay.

Speaker 4 (02:46:07):
Shut your frigging officer up and take charge of
the scene.

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
I like the sergeant said let me talk to him.
I'm good with that and Ihonestly okay, I'm going to give
kudos to this officer forowning that.
He had said that he cursed andhe's like no, that's just how I
talk.
I do that personally.
I drop F-bombs in stuff all thetime, and that's not.
I'm not trying to quote thatperson, it's just me kind of

(02:46:31):
recalling.
So I'm going to give a littlelatitude on this particular part
.
So don't destroy me in thefucking comments.
I'm not backing this officer byany means.
I just I kind of understandwhat he's saying, so let's keep
going.

(02:46:54):
Let me talk to him Before we gettoo far, because everybody's
jumping on mr billfold'sbandwagon that they're they're
not going to get paid and thatthey do get paid.
Listen, my experience is thatthese people get paid out on a
settlement before it ever goesanywhere, all the time, all the
time.
That's my personal experience,so I can't speak for what you

(02:47:16):
guys know and what you hear andwhat you've researched, but I
can tell you in my 19 years thatstuff like this would get paid
out within three months beforeit goes anywhere because it's so
egregious, and I've seen itover and over and over and over
again.
So when you guys say that, thatquit saying that.

(02:47:39):
No, I'm not going to fuckingquit saying it.
The reason why is because myexperience is much different
than yours.
I see it all the time, all thetime, lots of money.

Speaker 3 (02:47:51):
So you know, added to part of the conversation you
said a minute ago is you knowsome of the older cops and
things like that.
So this guy's been an officerfor 29 years.
That means he started being anofficer in 1996.
What was the law enforcementworld like in 1996 versus today?

(02:48:11):
You know, and I'm not even, andI'm not saying you know, not
trying to be a bootlicker hereand I'm not saying you know, not
trying to be a bootlicker here.
What I'm trying to say is youknow, some of these agencies
have not done a good job intraining and moving themselves
forward and continuing to growwith how we need to improve and
grow.

Speaker 10 (02:48:41):
And they're stuck in doing the same things they've
always done.

Speaker 8 (02:48:46):
Yep, they're not going to do anything about it.
They don't want him trespassedor anything.
Then why did they call?
I don't know.
They said that they hadcustomers coming in and coming
to the drive-thru in coming onthe call lines saying that they
tell us manning, I see it yeah,he didn't break any laws because
he was on the sidewalk rightand and saying that they were

(02:49:07):
pointing.
He was pointing at him,harassing them and and just
doing all sorts of things, justbasically pointing a camera and
pointing out.
Okay, so he hasn't doneanything aside from not
identifying.
Yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 1 (02:49:20):
Not illegal.

Speaker 4 (02:49:22):
Bottom line when somebody calls you still as a
peace officer, must run itthrough your head.
Does a reasonable and prudentperson state that somebody broke
the law in their mentality?
We don't have that here.
You can investigate further.
If we have what they thought isbreaking the law, and you can
investigate further.
You do not have that here.

(02:49:44):
Am I seeing this wrong fromeverything we're?

Speaker 1 (02:49:48):
hearing?
No, not at all Okay, so let'skeep that Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:49:54):
As soon as Meyer gets done, I'll cut him loose and
we'll just play the game.
Every 20 minutes we'll be backdealing with him.

Speaker 3 (02:50:05):
No, he's staying in the freaking vehicle.

Speaker 10 (02:50:13):
We're making sure there's no criminal offense that
was committed before we gothere at the bank.

Speaker 5 (02:50:18):
And there wasn't so.

Speaker 10 (02:50:19):
They called us, but he put me in custody because I
was not moving.
That's a detainment.
He had an investigation to dohere at the bank.
I'm telling you, y'all, messedup, y'all messed up, extremely
bad.
You always say that to us.
I've not always said it to you.
I've only had one interactionwith you.
I've not always said it to you,I've only had one interaction

(02:50:41):
with you, but but every timewe've dealt with you, first
patch my side.
I'd have my seatbelt on when Iin fact did on camera, okay, so
look.
So he couldn't get my ID andidentify me, so he doesn't know
my name.
Now you don't know my namebecause you don't remember the

(02:51:02):
public record placed on us man Ijust don't remember.
right off the top of my head, hedoesn't know my name because I
never gave my name and or ID,because I have not committed a
crime.
Okay, and that may be the case.
Okay, and that may be the case.
Okay, so why am I still incuffs?
Because we are still ininvestigation of this.
We were called here for this,Okay.
So how long am I going to sitback here?
I'm going to talk to him.

(02:51:23):
He went in to talk to them andwe're going to figure this out.
Give me another minute.
Is his body cam on?
Yes, it is.
Don't mute yours and don't muteyours.
Do?

Speaker 5 (02:51:33):
not mute.
You don't have to show him thatshit.

Speaker 10 (02:51:37):
Is there a crime here?
No, are they wanting trespass?
They don't want trespass, theygot nothing.
Okay, I'm telling you, youmessed up.
Put your hands on me like thatand I'm on a public easement.
I broke no law, couldn'tarticulate any kind of law that
I've broken, and you cut me ahandcuff.

Speaker 5 (02:51:57):
I sure did.

Speaker 10 (02:51:58):
He messed my shoulder up, so I need medical
attention.

Speaker 6 (02:52:01):
Well you're going to be free to go.

Speaker 8 (02:52:02):
No, I need medical attention because he done messed
my shoulder up.

Speaker 10 (02:52:06):
Look how he's handling me.
Just let him get the cuffs off.
I'm relaxing, I'm relaxing.
Look how he's handling me Allright, you're bullshitting a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:52:17):
when I need medicals, he is but you got to agree with
me on three stripes, on thishe's asking for five.
Oh, you have to yeah,absolutely yeah, you get that
ambulance down there and you getthat part cleared up right now
he wants to be transported.
100%, I'm with you.
Yeah, get that MD on there, getthe radiographer on there, get

(02:52:38):
it and frigging figure it out.
Period, just where we cover ourbases as a supervisor, even if
we got some frigging retardworking for us.
100%.

Speaker 1 (02:52:46):
I'm with you there.
I'm just calling bullshit thatyou have any medical issues.
You're doing it because youknow you've got them by the
balls, which okay, props to you,brother, I get.
I get it milking for all theygot because you fucking got them
.
But we all know you're full ofshit right now.
So I'm gonna call bullshit onboth sides when I see it that's
bullshit.

(02:53:07):
So yeah, absolutely, um, yeah,I I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (02:53:12):
Let's see she gets the cuffs on.
No, I need medical attention.
I can't even feel my hand.

Speaker 6 (02:53:18):
I can't even feel my hand, here you go, here's your
shit.

Speaker 10 (02:53:28):
I need an ambulance man.
He's calling for one.
What am I doing wrong?
You put me on their club, ontheir property now.
I have not stepped on theirproperty at all you're free to
go but I've always been free togo and I was free to stay.

(02:53:48):
You wasn't.
You were detained until hecould investigate what?
Crime have I committed?
That's why he was investigating.
What crime have I committed?
That's what he wasinvestigating.
What crime?

Speaker 1 (02:53:56):
have I committed?
Alright, I'm going to stop itbecause it's driving me insane
as it is, but um, okay, I thinkwe're all in agreement Majorly
fucked up.
Um, what state is that in?

Speaker 3 (02:54:08):
Missouri, missouri, lake of the Ozarks Right.

Speaker 1 (02:54:15):
There's really no even description on this.
I'm looking at it so yeah, thatcould be a good first one for
Banning's Bar.

Speaker 3 (02:54:28):
Mama G's coming after you, Banning.
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (02:54:33):
Yeah, you're using the R word.
You're going to get a strike onFacebook or on.

Speaker 4 (02:54:36):
YouTube.
Here's my disclaimer on that.
I'm speaking on uneducated lawenforcement officers and it's
not anything to do with whateverpeople are thinking.
That is bad on my part for whatI was taught.
Don't be like this guy becausehe screwed up and if that's a
strike I take it and I own it,but it's got nothing to do with

(02:54:59):
any, you're gonna get us actualstrikes on youtube that's the
and that's not what I'm,obviously not what I'm trying to
do, but these freaking, uh, socalled.
It hasn't happened yet fromthat.

Speaker 1 (02:55:12):
So that's the good thing.
Um, somebody said play a goodvideo, that was a good video.
What Somebody said play a goodvideo, that was a good video.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?

Speaker 4 (02:55:21):
Hey, talk for two seconds.
I'm going to tell my daughtertonight.

Speaker 1 (02:55:23):
One, two, three, four , I've got another video queued
up, so I'm just going to startit without him.
All right, alan, let's see whatwe got here.
A little cul-de-sac.
You know what's funny aboutArizona?

(02:55:48):
Everything looks like this,everything, yep, everything
looks like this in Arizona.
I don't understand Policedepartment.
Everything looks like this inArizona.

Speaker 3 (02:56:00):
I don't understand Police Department, they're all
the same.

Speaker 1 (02:56:12):
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Holy shit, you don't know yourboy, just oh it's.

Speaker 2 (02:56:22):
Albuquerque.

Speaker 1 (02:56:22):
Your boy just jumped out with a freaking gun and
pointed it at him.
What the fuck, jesus, I don't,I would have already shot him.
I would have already shot him.
I don't even know what thefuck's going on.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 3 (02:56:38):
In his face.

Speaker 1 (02:56:39):
Yeah, I can't believe he hasn't shot this guy yet.
Okay, um, all right, let's see.

Speaker 9 (02:56:43):
Let's keep going put it down, you're gonna get shot.
Put it down, put it down, putit down, put your hands up, put
your hands up, put your hands up.

Speaker 1 (02:56:59):
I mean, I'm okay with this so far, jesus, I don't
even know what the fuck.
Oh, they said big.

Speaker 3 (02:57:05):
I thought it was big.
It was, that's as big as itgets guys.
I think they just wanted to sayit Like a drink.

Speaker 1 (02:57:15):
Yeah, jeez old Pete, I wonder what the call was there
, shots fired, shots fired,rolling your stomach uh, steve
wallace said mama said it was atoy.
That shit happened so quick.
I don't give a fuck if it's atoy or not it it says.

Speaker 3 (02:57:35):
The title says it yeah something more you know but
I like, like we always saywe're watching this as we don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:57:44):
Somebody walks out of a door like that he did good
and getting behind the pillartrying to get his gun out like
like goddamn, I, I don't carewho you like, I can't't take
that chance.
I'm, I don't like.
Yeah, that's bad all around.
I feel bad for this guy.
Um, if it is a fake gun, butwhat the fuck are you supposed

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to do?
You have a right to defendyourself.
And if you're a clearly youknow distinguished police
officer with your uniform andall that stuff, and you're
coming up knocking on the doorand then somebody comes out just
pointing a gun, yeah, and hewas very open, like he wasn't
trying to hide behind thepillars, sneak up on the house

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like yeah I like again.
You guys know I'm all forholding cops accountable, but I
can't really blame this guy forit right reacting the way he did
and he even tried to.
Not he went around the pillow.
He could have shot a lot soonerthan he did and he didn't do it
.
And even if the mom goes, it'sa toy, it's a toy, I don't care.

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I can't take that chance.
I can't take that chance, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:58:59):
And he was aggressive at coming to you.
It's not like he was hidinginside the doorway and so you
weren't getting a good physicallook at it.
You know, and uh, I mean youyou clearly could see it in your
face.

Speaker 1 (02:59:13):
He says it looks like a special needs person, and I'm
not disagreeing with you nowthat I've had time to process it
, but we don't have that luxurywhen we're on the call.
I can't process all that at thesame.
I can tell you right now, if Isee a gun I ain't focused on
another motherfucking thingexcept that gun I'm not taking
in all the rest of the stuffthat we're able to sit back in

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our chairs and monday morningquarterback from a couch what
we're seeing right now so yougot to remember this is on scene
.
That what's?
That's what makes it so fuckinghard.
Yeah, so let's keep going withit.

Speaker 9 (02:59:52):
Roll on your stomach.
You think life is a joke.
Roll on your stomach, you'refucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (03:00:03):
Yeah, that's the end of it.
I mean I'm curious what endedup happening, so I'm going to
read it.
Albuquerque, new Mexico, july4th.
Oh, this is on the 4th of July2025.
Albuquerque police were calledto a house 2100 block of
whatever, responding to a callby a 21-year-old who asked him
to help with a family disputeand that his brother had a gun

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the day before.
So we're already coming outthere thinking about a weapon.
As Officer Sanchez approachedthe house and announced twice
I'm sorry I was letting thepolice officer Baldinato opened
the front door and pointed whatappeared to be a handgun at

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Sanchez, thought the weaponturned out to be an air or the
weapon Believing it to be realthreat.
He fired three rounds, strikingBaldinato in the arm, leg and
abdomen.

Speaker 3 (03:01:00):
Before you talk about it again, eric show Banning Let
him view it real quick.
I want to get his opinion.
He hasn't seen it.

Speaker 1 (03:01:08):
Ready Banning Yep.

Speaker 3 (03:01:22):
It happens quickly, sir.

Speaker 9 (03:01:27):
Police department happens quickly, sir, police
department.
Okay, please put it down, putit down, put it down, put it
down, put it down, put it down.
You're gonna get shot.
Put it down, put it down, putit down, put it down, put your

(03:01:48):
hands up, hands up, put yourhands up like it's your house.
You need to cut through the air.
Shots fired, shots, fired.
I'm not your fucking parent.
You think life is a joke?
You're fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (03:02:10):
Shit, yeah.
What the fuck do you do I?

Speaker 4 (03:02:14):
don't know if we got any precursor, why are we there?
What's the legal reason to bethere If all that is
unfortunately justified on this,because I don't like to see
anybody lose their life Period,and it's dadgummit man when that
gun first came up if you've gotthat legal reason to be there,
you have no choice but to act.

(03:02:36):
You know, because you may haveone round and now he's disabled
you and I don't know abouteverybody else, but I carried 69
rounds on me.
That's just what we carried inmy department.
Now he's got access to all thatand I'm disabled.
How many rounds I carried?
69.
I know one in the chamber andfour mics.

Speaker 1 (03:02:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, yeah it.
It doesn't like I said.
I don't care if she would haveyelled it's a fake gun.
It's a fake gun.
It's a fake gun before the dudeeven came out of the house.

Speaker 3 (03:03:11):
If it looks real, I'm not taking the chance well, and
we read that it says it's a bbgun and I'll tell you right now
a bb gun is still not gonna beshot by a bb gun either.

Speaker 1 (03:03:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (03:03:35):
And just the fact that the call was about a weapon
the night prior or whatever,and just so people have an
understanding that don't, and Iknow the majority of our
audience has got a good friggingbrain in between their ears and
a good heart.
This cop has got to deal withthat for the rest of his life.
The last thing he thought ofwaking up that day is I'm going
to have to shoot somebody.
That's not what he wanted to do.
He's coming up to to defuse,investigate, figure out what's

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going on.
And he was put in a deadlyforce scenario.
I can care less what anybodypersonally thinks on me for that
.
Yeah, period.
And he personally thanks on mefor that.
Yeah, period.
And he, he has to.
He has to end that right thenand there, to stop that movement
so nobody gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (03:04:11):
Yeah harrison said uh , two cops, one donut.
What if it was a five-year-oldkid?

Speaker 3 (03:04:19):
I'm not gonna not if I'm being called there.

Speaker 1 (03:04:22):
For that reason it just depends, it really just
depends yeah, every situationyou've got a full-grown looking
adult that I don't have time tofigure out if he's special needs
or not pointing a gun at me,versus a five-year-old kid
standing there pointing a gun atme.
Yep, that's kind of a shittycomparison, because if I got a

(03:04:42):
five-year-old kid, I'm going tobe.
He mouthed at you.
Like he wasn't just standing,there't just because a special
needs person may have afive-year-old's mentality.
That's not the appearance, andso that makes a huge difference.
I've got a full-grown adultthat just came out of a door
pointing a gun at me and I'mdancing around a pillar hoping
that that covers me from thisgun, and then you put me in a

(03:05:02):
position after I've given youseveral commands to put it down.
I'm'm not tracking that.
You're special needs, I'mlooking at the gun.
So, banning, I was not comingafter you, I believe, earlier.

Speaker 4 (03:05:15):
Never thought you were Mama G and I appreciate the
insight.
I'm still learning this socialmedia, like other people, and
thank you for saying that.
I'm going to do my best toG-rate my stupid lips up here so
yeah, um I was gonna say thatdamn it stop damn it I got it,

(03:05:36):
you hit it.

Speaker 3 (03:05:37):
you hit it okay, so I'll you know I don't think it
matters if you're being calledto the scene, even though
there's a special, you have togo and do the investigation.
And if somebody comes out of ahouse like that on me,
regardless of it's flagged ornot, now I'm going to have more
caution.

(03:05:57):
Probably, and most even mydepartment, where we're a really
small agency there's going tobe two showing up as we walk up
to that door Like it's not goingto be again.

Speaker 1 (03:06:08):
Even if they say that here's the thing that you got
to remember too, even if it isflagged like hey, there's a
special needs person, lives here, a deaf person lives here,
whatever it is, you can only gooff of action.
And if somebody comes out witha gun pointed at you, it doesn't
matter, it doesn't matter, I'mnot going to to hesitate and try

(03:06:29):
to figure all that shit out,while a gun's pointed at me and
not just pointed at me, activelytracking me, trying to figure
out a way to get around a pillarto point it at me.
I just can't.
That took three seconds.

Speaker 4 (03:06:43):
Going back being a child back in the 80s.
Like I said, I lived in 23different states growing up and
I loved playing just like anyother child before the phone,
invention of the smartphone.
I used to love to go out andplay cops and robbers with the
neighborhood kids and I'd go tothe Walmart or the Targets and
buy the squirt guns and I gotthis bright idea to get flat

(03:07:07):
black paint and spray one of mynot even a super soaker, I'm
talking this one thing thatlooked like a freaking mac 10
already back in the 80s andspray it black.
My mother went to whipping onme and she had every freaking
reason to leave that thing as itcomes from the store because it
was bright red on the barrel.
It's a water gun.
And I'm like, oh man, we'replaying and nobody's gonna see
us.
Because you Leave that thing asit comes from the store because

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it was bright red on the barrelWater gun.
And I'm like, oh man, we'replaying and nobody's going to
see us.
You know she woke me up reallyquick and thank God for my
mother.
I mean I could.
You know, we could have had arun in law enforcement.
We didn't.
We had some type of negative towhere a parent thought I was
hurting their child.
I was always bigger than theother kids.
They always.

(03:07:51):
I thought I was in a biggergrade and a parent could have
come out and frigging way-lacedme with their firearm as we're
out there playing squirt gun.
But my mother thank God, shemade me do it and I had to make
it a brighter red than it camefrom, or an orange or whatever,
and then wear really brightclothing.
You know, when I played copsand robbers, you could find me
real quick because my mom waslike you're wearing this, you're
going to go out there andyou're just a kid and you guys
are playing kid games and wedon't want somebody else to
think otherwise.
So thank you to my mom fordoing that.

Speaker 1 (03:08:11):
Yeah, on this question here how many
departments have people trainedto deal with special need folks,
for calls like this?
There is no training for callslike this.
It doesn't matter how manyspecial needs classes you've had
.
The point is somebody came outof a door with a gun pointed at
your fucking face, point blankrange.
It doesn't matter, I don't care.

(03:08:32):
None of that matters, none ofthe stuff you guys are trying to
bring up.
It doesn't matter.
A five-year-old walks out now wegot something different to talk
about.
A full-grown looking adultpoints a gun in my face at point
blank range.
It doesn't matter if they'respecial needs.
It doesn't matter if they'redeaf.
It doesn't matter if they comeout and they've got a rainbow

(03:08:54):
flag around their body.
I don't give a fuck.
It doesn't matter.
None of that matters.
Why are we bringing that up?
It doesn't matter.
I'm gonna keep saying it.
It doesn't matter.
He pointed a gun in his faceand tracked him around a pillar
from less than two feet, fuckingaway.
It doesn't matter.
Quit bringing that shit up.
It doesn't matter.

(03:09:15):
You have a right to protectyour life.
It's on the parents.
Why does he have access to apellet gun?
That looks real?
That's the question you shouldbe asking yourself You're
yelling, it's a fake gun?
It's a fake gun.
I don't give a fuck, I don'tknow you.

Speaker 3 (03:09:33):
I can't yell time out .
Hold on, are you special needsRight?
There's no time.
You know, the moment that I getup in the morning To go to work
, I have to justify I'm here tosave people, I'm here to do my
job and I am going to come hometo my family, and that's how I
can justify pulling my gun bingo.

Speaker 1 (03:09:54):
Did you just answer the question I just asked?
I have a 36 year old specialneeds child.
I never allowed guns in thehouse, nor toys.
That could be mistaken, itdoesn't fucking matter.
It's the actions that areperceived at the moment.
That officer went to knock on adoor and a person that he

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doesn't know that looks like afull grown adult come out with a
gun pointed in his face.
We get so fixated on the afterthe fact shit and we forget
about what it's like in themoment.
How many of you guys have beenin a car accident and you sit
back and you think, oh my God, Ishould have done this, I should

(03:10:36):
have done that, I thought aboutthis, I thought about that, but
if you reflect on the moment,you didn't have time for any of
that shit.
You didn't think about it.

Speaker 4 (03:10:46):
Think about all the professional race car drivers.
How many millions of dollarsare invested in their training
to not get in a crash goingaround three or four turns.
I'm talking NASCAR, just togive an example.
Nothing on NASCAR, but whathappens?
In almost every race, we have acrash.
All those drivers have trainedand trained, and trained, and

(03:11:08):
trained, and trained.
Somewhere in the physicssomething goes wrong and there's
a crash and sometimes it's afatality.
This is the last thing that lawenforcement wants.
And then you know what?
I wouldn't be surprised if hewas not even a police officer
anymore because of the mentalstrain that he was going through
for police officer anymore,because of the mental strain
that he was going through forhaving to exercise and do that,

(03:11:32):
yeah, and friggin to stop thatmotion which ended up probably
fatality.
Why?
And I'm sure it ended up infatality, but I don't know for a
fact, yeah, perry, so it wasjuly 4th banning and perry
brings up.

Speaker 1 (03:11:45):
Perry lemley brings up a good point.
He said my wife almost shot aneight-year-old Afghan an
eight-year-old Afghan kid withan AK-47 while she was on
deployment.
And I know a lot of militarypeople that have had that very
situation Same Yep that theyjust had to deal with the
unthinkable and I could not putmyself in that position.

(03:12:07):
Um, crazy britney force 340,what is that?

Speaker 3 (03:12:14):
so she set the mile per hour record.
Uh, twice, oh no shit.

Speaker 1 (03:12:19):
343 miles per hour.
Doing what motorcycle?

Speaker 3 (03:12:22):
in a quarter of a mile, you know, in a, uh, in a
quarter of a mile, you know inthe top of the world, definitely
faster than my old Hillcat.

Speaker 1 (03:12:28):
That's good.
Yeah, you think that is cool,just a bit, oh.
So shit.
All right, let's get.
I'm going to do this as thelast video.
We've been going three hoursand I got shit.
I got to get up early for soshare screen, all right, and
biggie size, there we go.

(03:12:49):
All right, let's go.

Speaker 3 (03:12:53):
Hey, that looks like an illegal motorcycle on the
road you want to with this one.

Speaker 1 (03:13:02):
They're talking like they're in undercover cars
Because these guys aren't givinga fuck.
I think they're out justhot-dogging and they've got
undercover cars in the areaBecause you hear me like you
want to get this one.
That makes me think this is aPueblo Colorado, makes me think
this is undercover.
Listen, this pisses citizensoff so much.

(03:13:26):
I will say this as a cop, Idon't give a shit either way, I
don't really care.
But you want to talk aboutvolume of calls?
Oh shit, Every one of those carsis calling Every Karen, every
fucking elderly man, everycitizen in that area is calling

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the cops.
You're going to get more callsfor this than you're going to
get for somebody shooting a gun.
Yep, Absolutely.
So all right, let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:14:02):
Put your seatbelt on, come on.

Speaker 6 (03:14:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:14:05):
I'm going to say it Seatbelt there.
Well, I think he's got a seatbelt off because he plans to
jump out.

Speaker 3 (03:14:16):
he got, I'm gonna tackle him.
Yeah, I bet he's about to jumpout of this car.
Hey, let me ride your bike.
I'll show you how to actuallydo it no license plate on any of
them.

Speaker 1 (03:14:31):
This is not yet that's a good time.
I wouldn't take it from downright there.
They may be waiting for it backthere.

Speaker 3 (03:14:42):
Oh, it's got a plate under there, so you know if
there's that airing right listen, I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:15:07):
I've seen a lot worse on the freeway, so for me we're
on a slow road.
As a cop I don't give a shit,even more because it's such a
slow road.
I haven't seen them affect anytraffic.
Don't get me wrong.
I still think it's wrong.
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (03:15:25):
I haven't heard this one Darren's.
I've heard it's wrong.
I don't like it.
I haven't heard this oneDarren's.
I've heard Karen's.
And usually.
I hear like Richard's orsomething else but.
I've not heard of Darren.

Speaker 1 (03:15:35):
Yeah, okay, I like it , but all right, let's keep
going.
You obviously got enough fornow.

Speaker 3 (03:15:43):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:15:44):
Definitely without doing it.

Speaker 3 (03:15:51):
I don't the whole road.
What if the guy with the Likehalf on, half off?

Speaker 1 (03:15:56):
Yeah, so to me right now they are kind of affecting
traffic because nobody's goingto be willing to pass them Right
.

Speaker 3 (03:16:07):
I was thinking this one.
It might be easier to grab himoff this bike.

Speaker 11 (03:16:10):
Try it, I was thinking this one it might be
easier to grab him off this pipe.
We going for this one, yep,okay At least an hour, and a
half, or yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 8 (03:16:19):
I don't need to worry , it'll get you.
Yep, I know Ready Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:16:27):
Yep, they didn't give a shit.

Speaker 7 (03:16:33):
Look, and these guys left them.

Speaker 11 (03:16:43):
You know obviously why you're going handcuffs my
man.
I got a whole dash cam of youdoing stupid stuff driving on
the road and dangerous everybody.
You're probably going to haveto go around because we're going
to.

Speaker 1 (03:16:57):
I just called that in See exactly what I was trying
to say.
She's like I called that shitin.

Speaker 4 (03:17:08):
I used to ride a high boost prior to law enforcement,
but I didn't do stupid shitlike this on the public roadways
.
We had areas we could do thison private areas yeah, bro, this
pisses people off.

Speaker 1 (03:17:17):
You know what pisses them off even more.
Have you seen the ones that doit on bicycles, riding wheelies?
Oh God, that pisses them offeven more.
I'm telling you, people hatethis more than they hate actual
violent crime.
That's been my experience.
They absolutely hate it.

(03:17:38):
You want to get citizens onyour side.
It's going to be videos likethis.
I'm going to get one.
I like that they didn't getgreedy.
They're like we'll get one.
It's all we need because he'llrat on the others.
They always do, always.
I don't care who you are, theywill always rat.

Speaker 11 (03:17:58):
See how happy everybody was.
You got me, I'm sorry,everybody's happy, everybody,
everybody.
Dude, who's that, those buddies?

Speaker 8 (03:18:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 11 (03:18:29):
Yeah, I gotta see if we're gonna tow your bike and
put a hold on it for a nuisanceoh no, please don't the last
time we dealt with these, theyput a hold on them, which means
I love that.

Speaker 1 (03:18:37):
He's like trying to say that it's the last time we
did this.
Somebody else put a hold on him.
No, motherfucker, you put ahold on him.
Listen, don't let this fool anyof you officers or anybody else
out there.
This officer that's handlingthis call is the one putting the
hold on it oh, eric, you canspeak to this one.
Tim had a good question, uh canI get a ticket on a bicycle for

(03:18:59):
doing a wheelie?
I think you actually can.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't, but Ithink you really can.

Speaker 3 (03:19:08):
I think so like a lot of the universities and stuff,
man you don't want to mess with,like breaking the law on a
bicycle they don't mess arounduniversity cops will come get
you.

Speaker 1 (03:19:20):
I do think I really do.
That is I think you can.
I think you can get a ticketfor that.
That I'm guessing, because Iwould never fucking write it.

Speaker 4 (03:19:30):
You got to have both rubbers on the pavement.

Speaker 1 (03:19:33):
Yeah, I don't give a shit, I really don't care.
Wade said never snitch, neverSnitches.
Get stitches and end up inditches.
I think this guy's going tosnitch.

Speaker 3 (03:19:46):
Oh he's going gonna want his bike back you pay the
co-fees, and all that Every day.
Yeah for six months.

Speaker 5 (03:19:53):
No dude don't do this .

Speaker 3 (03:19:56):
Look, it's a mini bike.
I hardly ever ride that thing.

Speaker 11 (03:19:58):
It's almost like you should have been doing wheelies
down, doing wheelies, standingup, standing up on the sea.
I mean I got a whole dash camdown northern Of you.
The blue dirt bike, the otherguy we're not, we're not trying,
we're not trying to make yourlife harder, man, but it is a
big nuisance and a danger to youother people on the street man

(03:20:24):
that's.

Speaker 3 (03:20:24):
I think it doesn't it fall under the same here in
texas?
Doesn't it fall in the same?
Uh, like drag racing and allthat where they can.

Speaker 4 (03:20:32):
I a vehicle, I couldn't even it's going to be
more of a reckless driving thing.
And then see, and, and just sopeople know, in the state of
texas you can drag race beingone car.
Yeah, da's will take it all daylong.
If you're out there gettingreckless on it, they're going to
take, they, they're going totake risk, but they added to
some of that.

Speaker 3 (03:20:51):
I want to say it was last legislative where they
don't have to give the vehicleback, Like it can be for certain
things.

Speaker 4 (03:20:57):
You'd about seized, yeah, I mean.
And then you know, back when Igot in way back in the wagon
wheel eras, you know we had anexhibition of acceleration on a
public roadway.
You, eras, uh, you know we hadexhibition of acceleration, yeah
, on a public roadway.
You know, that was another one.
Uh wasn't a big person to goout and get that.
We'd get a whole bunch ofpeople shutting down an
intersection doing donuts.
We'd come there and blaze theold sirens and they'd get to

(03:21:18):
going as long as we get thatfreaking intersection open back
up and deal with it.
Man, it's, uh, it was bullshit,but we but we dealt with it.

Speaker 1 (03:21:25):
I mean, yeah, they're turds for doing that kind of
thing yeah, yeah, dude, I'm uh,I can't like so on that, we'll
end at that.
By the way, guys, um, that'llbe our last video tonight, so I
that's very satisfying, I amvery happy.
The thing that pisses me offabout that particular thing is
they don't give a fuck about you.

(03:21:46):
None of them guys care aboutyou as society.
It's a very selfish thing, andI think that's why it makes
people so mad, is they?
Had he not got caught, hewouldn't have cared.
He would have done what hisboys did.
Fuck you, guys.
I'm out, but he got caught allof a sudden.
He cares a lot, but I got.

(03:22:10):
Uh, this was a good night.
This was a fun episode.
I really had fun on this one.
John did great.
I think it was great.
Um, this, this was fun.
I got irritated properly, so.
So I think it's always a goodepisode when I get pissed, so,
um, but, uh, I will be doing anepisode tomorrow with my buddy

(03:22:31):
Lenny, who's a retired NewJersey State Trooper.
We're just going to do aninterview in the studio here, so
that's why I can't stick aroundlate tonight.
I got to get the podcast roomall prepped up and get that
ready, because I got to moveeverything over for an in-house
interview, oh is he coming over?
yeah, yeah, he's gonna be here.

Speaker 3 (03:22:50):
It's gonna be an in-studio recording that's
awesome yeah, so I gotta move alot of shit around, so did your
house get tore up with like justa couple trees, or do you?

Speaker 1 (03:22:59):
have.
Uh, yeah, we just um, like Isaid, the guys that we that came
over to tear up the, the treesthat fell, they had it done in
15 minutes.
They were in and out but, yeah,we had power outages and all
that crap.
Like, what woke me up wasn'tthe storm itself, like the light
or the thunder and the rain andthe wind, it was the lightning.

(03:23:20):
The lightning flashed so brightand that's why we think it hit
our tree.
It flashed so bright it justwent through my eyelids.
Like the brightness woke me up.
Yeah, I was like holy shit andI had blinds down.
Tells you how bright it got.

Speaker 4 (03:23:36):
So yeah, it was insane.
Hey, marine Blood.
I'm going to come over toDiscord for a little bit after
this.
These guys have got a veryearly schedule.
My first meeting is not until 9.
So as long as I get two, threehours sleep, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (03:23:48):
Yeah, yeah, please, guys.
If you guys enjoyed what we hadgoing on tonight, please jump
over to our discord chat onthere.
I will not be on there tonight.
I didn't realize we're going togo three and a half hours.
I was going to try to keep itat two and then do another half
hour on discord, but is what itis, so we did it on here, please
.
If you would love to help outthe show, the easiest way to do

(03:24:10):
that is like subscribe andfollow on all of our social
media platforms, if you could.
If you want to go the extramile and spend your hard-earned
cash, please jump onto our whatdo you call it?
Buy Me a Cup of Coffee, thereit is and check that out and
help out.
We appreciate any monetarydonations.

(03:24:31):
It goes directly back into theshow.
So, with that said, last shoutout is going to be to Peregrine,
because that's one of theirguys that's going to be on the
show tomorrow.
Peregrine, if you want to turnyour shittiest detectives into
the next Sherlock Holmesperegrineio, I sit with Alan.
To the next Sherlock HolmesPeregrineio, I sit with Alan.

(03:24:51):
So, all right, guys, take iteasy.
Banning and Alan.
I'll talk to you guys later.
Stick around after the stream,obviously, but all right guys.
Have a good night, take it easy.

Speaker 4 (03:25:03):
See you on Discord in a few.

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