September 1, 2025 • 62 mins
Justin and Steven have a raw, unfiltered conversation about relationships, personal growth, and finding authentic connections in today's world.
• Both hosts share their "death row meal" choices, revealing their personal food preferences
• They discuss what attributes they would take from past relationships to create an ideal partner
• Steven explains how jealousy often stems from personal insecurity rather than actual threats
• The conversation explores why some relationships don't work despite strong initial connections
• They debate the pros and cons of public versus private relationships in the social media age
• Both hosts reflect on maintaining authenticity when personal relationships become content
• Steven shares why creative expression remains essential to his happiness regardless of other opportunities
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante, I'm StevenRay.
Yes, sir, we are back.
How you feeling Feel good man,Feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What's new?
I didn't really do too muchlast week.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You got, you just on your workout grind.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just got back, I just got back I just got back so
I really fasted for real lastweek.
I was like only on fruits andvegetables and how was that easy
?
Exhausting okay yeah, after awhile I was just like man this.
And then, uh, then I wentstraight to Taco Bell and pizza.
(00:42):
On Sunday I woke up.
My face was a little swollen.
I enjoyed that.
After you eat something bad.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
What's your pizza choice?
Pepperoni Okay, just pepperonicheese.
No.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
My favorite type of pizza is Pineapple.
Nah, people be sitting on thepineapple.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I know, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But my favorite is flatbread, no thin crust, with
pepperoni and diced tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Okay, that's my favorite.
Okay interesting, but I didn'tget that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I just got the regular degular, you know for
Domino's.
Okay, so I think it wasDomino's, I don't even care.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So what is if you was on death row?
What is your executioner meal,your last meal?
My last meal yes, I'll give youmine and I'll let you choose.
Okay, so I'm going, I'mdefinitely going.
(01:49):
Fried chicken, some good friedchicken, beef ribs, sweet
potatoes, mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, like who cares if it fucks up your stomach?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean exactly, exactly, a hundred percent.
Okay, I'll take that out.
Yeah, and then I'm goings upyour stomach.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean exactly, Exactly A hundred percent.
Okay, if I take that out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, and then I'm going.
Oh, you was going some healthy,no you was going garden salad.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm definitely going peach cobbler.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Peach cobbler.
I don't know Now that we'regoing that route.
Ribs would be grounding.
Remember the last time I hadribs?
I'm going to go the I don'tneed to move it, still as good
as it once was.
But I really used to lovechicken Alfredo, like the
(02:38):
fettuccine with the broccoli andall that stuff in it, maybe
some spices in there.
They used to be really good.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm definitely throwing a crab cake in mine,
though a crab cake.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know man, I think
straight up that thanksgivingmeal pretty much does it, you're
right, yeah, yeah, like I wantto throw some extra like shrimp
etouffee on mine.
That yeah shrimp and grits justcame to mind.
Oh okay, yeah, there's someshrimp and grits at frothy
monkey it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it makes me like I do want to go back,
though, but every time being youever like?
No, I'm good, yeah, I'm likedang, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, it's totally different now that I have like
coffee here and you know I makethe breakfast that I would get
there, but it is definitely agreat vibe there in front of you
.
I do miss it.
I thought about that this week.
I went to this coffee shop uphere it was dope.
It was dope.
I'm a right there or I'm gonnawork sometimes there.
(03:41):
It's got a, it's got a nicevibe.
It's not as lit inside of itlike property monkeys is like
straight Sun, so straight Sunyes, unlike, oh, like lit.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, it's not lit up.
I thought you saw my like interms of people like the traffic
is not as good, mmm, so thetraffic is good mm-hmm, it's
about bashing okay, yeah,americano, mm-hmm, that's the
name of the place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, I didn't know it was a coffee shop.
I thought that was just like abar.
It is, it's a bar too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh, okay, so you can do that, but I just went there
to work.
Yeah, it was a dope vibe.
I got the latte, the same thingthat I got at the other place.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It tasted very similar, so they got like a
couple of small plates orwhatever.
So is there a place you want togo to before you die Like?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
a country you want to visit, a site you want to see.
I always thought London, butnow it's kind of like I don't
know it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's kind of fading a little bit in terms of amount
of um, that feeling of mewanting to go there.
You know that clearly becauseof the accent, it just I just
want to be around it and hear it, but I always hear how gloomy
it is there and how like it's,not like an uplifting feeling I
do hear that a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So um other than london, not really.
I think my fear of flyingpretty much got rid of that.
For me, just like you know,usually a place like where would
you want to go?
I'm assuming it's overseassomewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, south africa I want to go to in greece
.
I want to go to in Greece, Iwant to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I hear a lot about South Africa.
Yeah, they get it popping downthere so yeah, three last
relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If you can take one attribute from the last three
and make it into one person,what would those three
attributes be?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
one from each.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I wonder if they're watching this.
They'd be like, oh, which oneis it?
That's a good one, okay, hmm,all right, so one of them, three
attributes, the most recent,I'll go.
(06:13):
I don't want to say I'm a.
Scramble them up, scramble themup in my head, yeah, so if they
see it, then they're likethey're going to know who they
are but I'll say from one person, it was like a package deal, it
was like.
It was like a person who, whowanted to be a wife that was
(06:39):
super cool and cool toexperience.
A lot goes into that, a lot, alot of being seen and
understanding like lovelanguages to a different level
just because, like they want tobe a wife, I'll say that another
one is someone who enjoys lifeand loves to laugh Like a funny
(07:07):
girl is so cool.
Like that's way rarer than whatI thought.
Like somebody who, like a girlwho actually makes you like
laugh out loud, that's likethat's not, that's not as common
, um, and what was therelationship before that?
Just simply being like a goodperson, and a lot goes into that
(07:40):
too.
You can be fucked up if youwant to, but you just choose to
like be your better self andyeah, that's that's really cool
to be on the opposite end ofthose now, do you think those
three attributes?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
would that be like a superwoman to you?
It's always something wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I got you right , so that you know that that's
just the way I think.
I mean, I don't know if it'sthe perfect way to think, but I
feel like, even if I get quote aperfect woman, it's going to be
something.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, it's always.
I mean, there's two differentbrands two different experiences
.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, what about you?
I don't have that manyrelationships, I sure had to
think back on mine.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So if you could take two things, yeah, two things I
would say, so I have to gothrough the relationship I'm in
now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, I mean, you put it out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, I didn't put it out.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Mine was towards you, yeah, so the one I'm in now is
like the I was towards you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So the one I'm in now is like the love intensity, you
can kind of cut it with a knife.
You know how much she doesdesire to be in a relationship
and I think that's very strong.
And my one, that one, it's hardto remember.
(09:10):
There was a lot of things, asmuch as I feel, like you,
there's some toxic and thingsthat she did wrong, um.
There's some things that shedid right, um, and I think she
was thoughtful.
I think she was.
She was a thoughtful person yeahfor sure, um, and a lot of
(09:32):
those, like you know, she, shewas intense, yeah, she, she
loved her too and, you know, waswilling to fight for me in a
lot of ways, but, um, but yeah,I would say she was thoughtful,
in, in, in her own way.
Now, of course, how thoughtfulcan you be?
You know what I mean.
And this thoughtful and loyalall mesh into, is it the same
(09:55):
thing?
Not really.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I guess yeah, you pulled from another girl with
that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But yeah, she was, I think yeah, thoughtful was the
best way I can describe it.
That's tough.
That's tough up from what I canremember.
I'm sure there's somethingother than that, but yeah, that
was, that was a good one.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
That was a good question yeah, they counted me
off.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like one attribute yeah, because I mean,
I think that, like it's easy forus to when we look back at our
relationships at the worst ofthem, because it didn't always
end great, but then there wassome things that you could have
latched onto, that she had, thatmaybe another person didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I try to counter that .
I try to do that or try tocatch myself.
Anytime I have done that or itstarts to go a little left, I do
try to counter that with howmuch did.
I actually love this person.
Be for real.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
This shit wasn't all bad.
That's pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
If I'm thinking about the same three that you named.
You loved them all oh yeah,yeah, and you know I think you
would work if it was on you forthe for y'all to see it through
there you know, I think you andyour.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You wanted to see that through yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, that is that is somethingyeah uh, I I wonder like how
that's going to.
You know, I think we talkedabout it before it's like the
the, the more that we evolve,it's like the less tolerance for
certain things, you know.
(11:46):
So there are moments where Iwas like overly committed.
I don't know if I can like dothat anymore overly committed
overly committed, like this is asinking ship.
But like I, I told myself I'mgonna stay with you.
So I'm gonna stay with you likeoverly committed okay, now if I
(12:08):
have, if I put a ring on agirl's finger, then like that's,
that's kind of different.
I feel like that is that'sliterally commitment, that's
what right yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Um so what if you see the ship sinking?
Mm-hmm but she still wants tostay on the ship.
Are you going to be the personto break it up?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
you stay on the ship.
They got some boats on the sidethat I could do some rafts,
yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm taking swimming class yeah, I'm just saying are
you ready, if she's not yet, todecommit and make that split?
But you are wanting to, are yougoing to like?
So you're coming up with thebreakup, you're not doing this,
this and this, and I just don'tthink you're for me.
And she's like yes, I am, Iwant to be here, I want to stay,
I want to make it work.
(12:59):
I mean, if she uh excuse mechooses to like want to be
better or to be better.
She wants to make it work.
Being better isn't a part of it, she just wants to make it work
, oh, but it's still like notworking like you're not making
those improvements, oh yeah,yeah, do you think you?
Have this the, the will and thestrength to break up.
(13:22):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay.
Yes, now I do, okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Seeing tears and her crying and her texting.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Because you love her, you just know it's not going to
work.
Yeah, if I love her, that's Ican't.
I just can't do it to myselfagain.
It's bigger than her.
That's going to be hard, butI've just seen it multiple times
, like, if this shit ain'tworking, I'm trying to sit here
(13:53):
and talk to you and figure outhow I can talk to you, figure
out how to do this conversation.
Whatever we're not gettingbetter.
It usually doesn't end well.
So either she's crying and allthis stuff.
Now I done seen how many girlsI done been with cry.
I want to make this work, bro.
They do some fucked up shitsomewhere in there, like after
all them tears, so those tearsdon't that shit is a temporary
(14:18):
feeling, in a way.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know, all feelings are temporary in a way,
but um I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't judge women off that you know, or the
relationship off of you justcrying right now.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's it.
But I mean, I feel like I meanyou're saying that in the
conversation, but it's hard foryou to not well want anybody to
not feel bad yeah yeah and um I.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I just don't see you like right, no, you know I ain't
saying it's gonna go there ifthe the, the relationship is
strong in its own right, butit's just like not working.
Yeah, it's gonna be difficult,but I've seen like if I go
through something with someoneand there's, even if we try,
(15:12):
it's still not improving, Ican't be miserable like I can't
do that.
I've been in places like that.
We gonna start resenting eachother and it's not gonna play
out right you know, unless thereis, you actually are trying,
then I I'll always see it, youknow um, but yeah, I just don't.
(15:36):
I don't see myself staying insomething like that.
Just really, based off of thepast few relationships that I've
had, is it just don't go wellbro and then I end up like
losing bits and pieces of myselfand I I feel like I have.
I have now, um reached a newplace in my life of figuring out
(16:01):
like who I am, like what I needto be happy, and like this,
this, that and the other, and toget here and then to invite
somebody in to my space and thenwhat like?
That's not.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's not saying like happiness to me, that's not
sounding like a lot of happydays and I'm gonna resent you
for that, like after a certainpoint so do you think that your
last two exes that if you wentto the bar and they just
happened to be at the bar, thatyou can like pay them no, never
(16:35):
mind?
Or do you feel like I want toactively strike a conversation?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think it'd be inevitable To feel like you know
, let me say something.
You know I'm not in, I'm not onbad terms with anybody.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know what I'm saying, not just say something.
An active conversation, adiscussion Like how are you?
No, I want to talk, like I'mjust saying Do you think there
would be Like an emotional, likeI want to talk to you?
I don't want to just be like,hey, you're good, yeah, I'm good
.
Like the last time I saw my myex-girlfriend the one that you
(17:12):
know that we were to calltogether I said, hey, how are
you?
Hug goodbye uh-huh there, Ididn't care to have a
conversation yeah yeah, but I'msaying for you, it's not just
more than that.
Hey, what's up, you know it'sand shake up with somebody I
mean the the picture you justpainted.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's like if I'm at a bar and they're at the like
we're here that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I was at a bar too and I'm saying I just hugged her
and walked away and I was likeactually I'm gonna leave, it's
just yeah, um I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I mean, in my head I don't really see a bad
conversation happen.
I don't talk to either of them.
It's been like a long timesince I've talked to either of
them, so there would besomething to talk about you know
and, like I said, we don't hateeach other.
We all got nice personality.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Nobody standoffish yeah, and I agree, I don't hate
the other person.
I wish them well, but it justwasn't like I didn't feel
anything to have a discussion,to say yeah I think I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think if there was an excess in speaking I could
get to that point.
I've seen that, um, likecatching up with an ex.
And then I just remember oneday the last conversation I had
with one of them it was like wewere running out of stuff to say
it never happened before.
(18:36):
I was like, oh wow, like we'reactually like moved on.
We actually don't.
I don't even like I, I don'tknow, I'm not even coming up.
You know how, like you can havea flow of a conversation with
somebody for hours and hours,but all of a sudden you don't
even know what to even thinkabout, the next thing to say and
all that.
So I felt like if it was anexcessive conversation, then I
(18:59):
would probably end up being likethat, like all right, I'm out
of here, bye, but I think itwould just be a normal
conversation.
Yeah, I ain't at the pointwhere I'm like, hey, bye.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been like a long-ass timeso like how you been what you
been doing.
Oh, that's dope, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Yeah, that's understandable.
No, I'm just curious.
I feel like sometimes you I'msure there was a point in my
life to where I wanted to have adiscussion.
Oh yeah, I want to know howthey're doing.
It's not just to makeconversation, it's just because
(19:41):
they're there and not to make itawkward, like hey, what's going
on?
Just to be curious on your life.
But for me now it's like, yeah,I hope you're doing well.
I don't wish ill on you, but Idon't really care to have a
discussion Now.
If we was the only people atthe bar, then I'm going to talk
to you, but otherwise I'm goingto keep on doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, it's really just the positioning of the
situation.
I can also see that too, likeI'm heading out and then I see
them.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm like yo hey awkward.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know that could be a high buy situation as well,
but yeah you know it's all good.
There were times, though, likeI just want to have a little
discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I remember feeling like that but thank God for
better days I got you.
Do you think that?
I mean, I feel like the answeris going to be yes, but I'll
just ask the question Do youthink that you?
Do you see yourself making thesame mistake twice come to your
previous relationships?
(20:53):
Like do you know more of whatto look for in a woman?
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
No, it's just like, like in those past relationships
, you know that thought ofconvincing yourself like the
grass is greener, when, like youcould literally see it, you
could see exactly what's upfront, what you're getting, and
(21:20):
I can only assume it's the sameway.
That's being reflected for meas well.
But that stuff, it just didn'tlead me down a path of uh, like
I said, going back to what I wassaying earlier about how I'm
(21:41):
affected, like seeing me beaffected by certain people when
I knew damn well in thebeginning or throughout this
process, like these things willpop up.
Like I'm not really on the pathof, like I said, trying to be
overly committed with anybodyanymore.
You know, it's like, cause Isee what that does to me and I
(22:04):
don't like that shit.
I don't, like, you know, certainsituations I've been in, that
she was in the back of my headfor a long ass time.
It felt like a disease, like itfelt like I don't know, like I
needed surgery or some shit toget these, this negative shit
out of my head.
(22:25):
But I knew I was the one whoput myself there.
So it's like going throughstuff like that and realizing
that, yeah, they could be thisBecause, like you know, out of
everybody that you're with,there's certain aspects that's
in them that's not in like otherpeople.
So some part of them usuallyshines and then you see that
(22:47):
part, you're like damn, likethey're so good at this, but
this shit right here just reallyfucks with me.
Um, and yeah, I learned that alot about.
Uh, in those, in thoserelationships, and the only
person that really end up losingis me, for real well, I mean
both of us do in our own ways,but in my truth, like that's
(23:07):
what happens.
So I don't see myself.
I don't see the only way Iwould be like in something.
I'm like man she tripping, I'mgoing to keep trying, keep
trying.
Keep trying is like a ring onthe finger.
Yeah, that would be the onlyway that I could see myself like
(23:29):
be the the only way that Icould see myself like trying to
fight through the thoughts of weshould break up.
Yeah, I got you, yeah, so itwouldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying but nah, um,
yeah, so if you was to meet agirl, exchange your numbers
today and, um, well, I guess letme not speak for you.
And is it easy for you to do itone night stand?
Is that like if she was downfor it, you're down for it right
, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't think I've ever done that, but I could only
assume that is a case byby-casebasis, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, Okay.
So I'm not saying I'm just outhere like that but maybe it's a
perfect day.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'll meet you at a coffee shop at 12 am.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean pm, and then we end up having a whole day.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I don't know you, having that one night stand with
that person does not umdiscount her for, uh, putting a
ring on her in the future.
I don't think it does, okay, Idon't think it does.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I've seen friends be with like they had some, some
starts to their relationships towhere it's like you would think
this is probably not going tolast and now they're like
married with kids and shit.
So I don't think so.
It's a vibe thing yeah so.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But there's um other times that you get a number, um
you having a conversation withthis woman, the way y'all
talking, you kind of engage,like she's fine.
You know, yeah, I want to seeit further, but her her ways, I
know that we probably wouldn'tbe a future together.
Um, do you would you feel badif you know she liked you but
(25:26):
you know you didn't see her inthat, in that way as in the
future, that if you was to takeher home and she thought it was
more but you knew it wasn't,would you feel bad?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
uh, yeah, yeah, no, it's not a good feeling.
It's not a good feeling youknow, that, that it something
happened.
It didn't happen like that, butI just remember.
I just remember, um, notknowing.
This is like years ago, but Iwasn't knowing like what I was
(26:01):
doing in that moment.
I thought we were just hangingout chilling, and all of a
sudden, now we're on a date andshe thinks it's classified as a
real date and she's like, whyisn't he like, why does this
isn't hand over me, why is youknow?
It was just.
It was just so much expectationthat she kept saying it too, so
(26:26):
it just started to get awkwardand then I was in a position
where I felt like I had to domore than what I wanted and I
didn't, and it just made shitawkward.
And I just don't hang out withpeople that I don't fully like
(26:47):
or have an interest in in.
Have you been through somethinglike that where, like, you
gotta kind of like fake itbecause you you just got here?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
yeah, I mean, there was one time to where, um this,
I was driving uber and this, umthe one of the girls she hit.
She had a man and she's like myfriend will be perfect for you
you know, yeah, yeah, and so weexchanged, you know she, uh, I
(27:21):
let her take my number down andthen, um, she gave me the other
girl's number and then, you know, we facetimed the girl's number
, and then, you know, wefacetime.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
She ain't cute, yeah, but you know I'm gonna be nice
and go out on a date and so youwent further.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I didn't want to.
Yeah, yeah, it was like justcool conversation, but I was
like you know, I'll just takeher, take her out, have a good
time and that she's not cute waspremeditated yeah, yeah, she's
like.
Nah, she ain't really, butmaybe you know she's, you know
yeah, a good time.
It sounds like she hasn't beenon a date in a while, and so I
took her out, and it wasn't ityeah I mean she was cool, um,
(28:01):
but that's just.
I didn't.
Of course, I didn't see muchfor a future with her yeah yeah,
but that was a maybe.
I have situations like that towhere I can tell that girl likes
me, but I'm not going, I'm not.
I feel bad about wasting theirtime, so I don't really.
You know, I'll be Alwaysrespectful and nice, but I won't
really Do much with thembecause Even though I do want to
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Like, hey, she's cool, she'llprobably be a nice lady, but I
can't, yeah, like I'll bewasting your time.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I don't never want to say that, you know either.
I don't want to be that honesteither, but I'm not, you know, I
like you.
I like you as a person.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You'll be a good friend or associate, yeah, but
I'm not willing to go all theway of a relationship Because
there's like I remember this onegirl.
She's cute and if I showed youa picture she's like oh, she is
pretty, but she's like a whitehippie girl and that's like not,
I'm a church God, that's notthe who, I can't bring you
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around like that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
A hippie.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The way that she moved it was.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It was like too.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Um, eccentric, uh-huh , like it's very free-spirited,
um, it's not really thatbuttoned up.
You know what I mean, and I waslike I'll have to make you who
you're not who you're not no,yeah, just to hang out at the
cookout I'm just saying like tochurch, and you know what I mean
like yeah, you got to grow alot um before but no, she's very
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, very nice, very pretty, but Iwas like that's not, you know,
and so I never really took itany steps further, even though
she was interested in like yeah,yeah, yeah, no, I don't, I
don't like that feeling it'sjust like I gotta be fake.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I don't like that feeling.
It's just like I got to be fake.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't want to be here and I don't want like even
if I'm going off of that analogyit's like I like you for who
you are, but I know that I'm notgoing to see a future with you.
So why am I going to waste yourtime?
Yeah, yeah, because literallyI'll be leading you on.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And that's I feel like, in a way, your time is
wasted too, that's what it feltlike for me, but I have the.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I'm choosing to waste my time, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You really think it's more than what it is.
So you, you know it's like likethe, the, the uh label is
intentionally signing you to 360forever and and then, if they
know, they're getting over onyou.
But you think you got the bestdeal in the world, you coming
out the hood you got you, youknow you go be doing well, and
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then five years later yourealize wow, I got really
screwed for this.
I can't believe they did this tome, but at the time you're
loving it, you appreciate it,yeah, so I never want to give
them that 360 deal because Iknow that at the end of the day
it may feel fun at the time, butI know where my head's at.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, no, I completely get being in
something like that.
You just got to like.
It just didn't feel right forme.
There's a bunch of questions onhere.
I want to see if I can add some.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I can keep going, if you yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So I feel like you're really diving deep.
I feel like you should justchoose one.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, I mean I was trying to see which one was a
good one.
Yeah, like there's random stuffon here Like is jealousy a sign
of love, insecurity or both, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean we can talk about it like
if that's one that you juststumbled upon, that's an
interesting one.
Um, I think that jealousy isdefinitely both, for sure, oh
this is a good one, and I thinkit's.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
is it better to marry someone who feels like home or
someone who excites you?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean it feels like home is just feels too good,
like this is where I'm supposedto be.
It's exciting, like I feel,like you can find excitement at
a strip club maybe yeah, it'sgiving fun girl.
Yeah, or maybe that's just likemy head like I, yeah, yeah, I
don't, yeah, exciting soundslike you know, like I shouldn't
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be here, you know, I don't knowyeah, but home is just too.
It's just too powerful, I wouldsay effects.
Yeah, it's giving me some blandones, yeah, today but I mean, we
can talk about jealousy uh-huhum, do you think you're a
jealous person Like so, for youknow she going out with your
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girl, the girl's coming home at3 am, Right?
Is that about the?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, the only time I do remember feeling jealous was
because I was insecure aboutmyself.
That's the only time I do youspeak on it.
The time, um, it was like itwas just like I wasn't put
together, like my mind wasn'tkind of calm, stable, like as it
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is now, like I wasn't workingon myself.
I wasn't working on myself, Iwasn't working out, I wasn't
doing a lot for myself andtaking care of myself.
So you know when, and therewere a couple of things that
happened in that relationship,that kind of just like made me
feel a way, but a lot of itstill had to.
(33:46):
It lied on me just beinginsecure.
It lied on me just beinginsecure.
I I definitely feel that becausenowadays, if it's pretty simple
, it's just like all right if,if I got a girl and she just
wilding, or if she just like youknow, out and putting herself
out there, it's pretty clearlike if you're there or if she
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does, uh, or if I'm not thereand I just like hear from
somebody or it's posted on thestory, she kind of like doing a
lot, i'ma just I don't know.
I'ma just think like we had agood run.
You know, like it is what it isbut, um, but yeah, like in in
the times that I did feel likejealous.
(34:33):
It was almost like I didn'twant the girl to be around guys
who were better than me, and Ithink that's something that a
lot of men go through.
Probably don't say it, but yeah, when I wasn't taking care of
myself, that was something thatI did feel.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and that's interestingthat you say that, because I
have a different perspective onthat, because how I look at
things is overall.
Overall, you know, you cangauge somebody and be like, hey,
he's a millionaire, so thatmeans he's better.
(35:15):
But in my own head and maybe Ijustified over time I think
we're our own individual personand we all also all offer
something different.
So that's how I look at it,like, if that's what you want,
then fine, yeah that's what I'msaying.
I don't feel like.
No man is technically Like ifMe or Jeff Bezos, I would
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understand why you would chooseJeff Bezos.
You know what I mean.
So I guess I feel that, but forme I also offer something
different Than Jeff Bezos doesoffer.
So I feel like in arelationship and some others
maybe my own girlfriend maydisagree, but I think that I'm
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actually a good boyfriend thatcares that tries to do the right
thing, you know, and puts youover myself, and I think all
that matters.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So I feel good about my confidence in what I bring to
the table.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, that's really my whole point Okay Was that you
feel that way?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so like I wouldn't say that nowadays.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Like.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I don't even look at.
I look at everything, kind oflike how you said you know,
whatever I'm meant to be herefor is just like I'm just trying
to max out on that.
But my thought process, like Isaid at one time when I wasn't
confident in myself, or my ownthought process, the way I make
decisions, everything that'swhen those negative thoughts
(36:48):
like that better shit, thatbetter shit, like that's what
I'm saying it came from backthen like in those pockets of
time.
So, yeah, I wasn't saying that.
Like nowadays- that I look atpeople like that, but that's
just where, when you're insecureabout yourself it's just like a
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lot of shit seeps into yourhead.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That ain't even real.
Would you feel?
Uh, would you feel a way?
Well, I mean, I guess theanswer is no good time for you
answering by mass anyway.
Um, would you feel a way if theso say, if your ex moved on to
Michael B Jordan?
You know what I mean, like dang, you know she leveled up um, I
just would expect it.
(37:34):
I don't know, okay, yeah, likeyou wouldn't feel no way.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, I mean it's it just is what it is for real.
Okay, so it's not like I meanagain, you gotta look at how I
look at myself.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You be happy for it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Be happy for it sure.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
To be honest anybody, any.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It depends on who you're talking about.
I want everybody to be happy,but would it be weird if Some,
some particular people Just getmarried Off the first?
Look at the photo.
I'm just being completelyhonest I'm still happy for you,
but you know, it's just likeI'll hit one of them yeah yeah,
(38:16):
but that's not like um, I don'tknow like any any negative
connotation, like you know,attached to it.
But yeah, if anybody got withthem, I mean I kind of expect
that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I expect people to just Move on.
I don't want to say level up,because then that makes me feel
like I ain't shit.
That's not how I look at myself.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But you know what I'm saying.
Just move on and be happy.
Who they happy with.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's going to happen with me too, you
know so right right right, soI'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I ain't tripping off that is there a point in your
weight?
Shit is it huh, oh, go ahead.
What'd you answer?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
uh no, I always think of it like in these certain
ways, like if I was anybody elsewould I do that.
Yeah, it's really that simple.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, you're going to take the best option available.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'm saying that's the best in your own eyes, like,
hey, I love this person, this isthe best person for me.
And that's very mature, becausesometimes in my mind I also
have that thing of like I wantyou doing better than me too.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So I have that thinking as well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
But, yeah, take the best option available because,
lord willing, I'll have thatsame option to me, because, yeah
for sure, yeah, yeah, no, I,yeah, I feel like if I were to
think like that, it's just kindof like I I don't think of
myself as a certain uh, with acertain confidence, you know, so
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that that would be me tellingmyself, man, I can't get nobody.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's up there you know I can't reach that tier.
You know like yes, I can, orthat that's how I feel, so yeah,
man, and so is there a thingyou're waiting on to find?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
like it seems like you're not in search of that
right person is there?
Is there a stage in your lifeto where, like hey, I probably,
or is it you think it's justgonna be when, whenever god I
mean that's the easy way to sayis like whenever god chooses, or
you think it's just going tohappen when it's supposed to?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
type of feeling I anytime, I anytime I got with
someone.
They came out of nowhere, sothat wasn't me like saying hello
or there's a girl across thestreet.
I was like damn, she's pretty,you know, looks like it would be
(40:52):
my type.
It's never them, ever.
It's usually out of nowhere.
Something happens that likeit's just this kind of
supernatural feeling, like thisis going too good, like you just
came out of nowhere.
We both connected on a majorlevel, so I don't believe I mean
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this is I'm not like 70 yearsold, so I have a lot of life to
live, um, but I just don't thinkit's going to be with me
looking for it, something real.
I don't think it's going to be.
It's going to pop up like that,so I'm not actively looking for
anybody really so if aconnection comes up, man cool,
(41:40):
I'll just, you know, have aconversation and see, see where
it goes.
Usually it doesn't really goanywhere.
It usually is like this sort ofprocess of hi, we might fancy
each other a little bit and itjust fades.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah.
Do you think they can tell thatyou don't you desire?
Well, I think, because I'veasked this girl before you know.
It was at one of the bars Ifrequented at the time and you
know and it was like she likedme, right, that was good looking
, but she also thought I was atype of person like I ain't
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gonna take you serious, you knowI can just do as I please she
thought you would like that yeahlike because I got pretty eyes,
I mean it's I'm only it's onlya couple, a couple minutes.
You know I only got so much asthe end of the night and you
know we're striking conversation, so you're just like, oh, you
think you can just get my numberand yada, yada.
Do you think that's how itcould be?
For you?
It's like, hey, yeah, and whytake you serious when you don't
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really want me for real?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
maybe, maybe I've seen that before I think like
race so silly and the followersgot a lot to do with that um,
which I've seen from.
It depends on who you'retalking to too, because, like
again, let's be real, if agirl's pretty, she getting he
fucking.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
DMs in general, from everybody.
So it's really her choosing.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But I've seen that before sometimes where yeah like
kind of guarded a little bitfrom a woman.
That hasn't happened too manytimes because I'm not actively
(43:34):
trying to make girls like mygirlfriends, like that.
But I have seen women kind ofsecond-guess certain things with
me and I think a lot of it hassomething to do with race so
silly certain things with me,and I think a lot of it has
something to do with race, sosilly uh me being in a public
relationship and they can seethe shit like like scroll and
(43:57):
see who I've been dating andthen you know, um, so you so I
mean I.
So my first question is if youuse the dead again, it's going
to be private, I don't know,okay, I don't know, because I
like, I love who I love, so,like, I just want to feel secure
(44:25):
with my person.
I don't know, I'm 50-50 on that, because the relationship that
I, that I, was in, that waspublic, you know, it got all the
way to the point of us beingengaged and that was posted uh
places or whatever, to the pointwhere if I do start to talk to
anyone, that's somewhere in theinitial conversation if we start
(44:48):
liking each other.
And I don't like that, it'sjust like.
You know, I'd rather come tothe table and be like yeah, you
know, uh, this is how theprevious relationship went, but
that shit is on display and it'salmost like it's attached to me
in a way, not as much as it wasbefore, but it's there.
You, you know whether I deletewhatever on my page, that shit
(45:11):
is out there.
So that is just something that.
I just that is just somethingthat I always keep in mind.
You know, I don't really likeI'm not the guy.
Just because I like you I'mgoing to post you, just because
I've been in another situationwhere it was just Rocky all the
(45:35):
time and I could tell shestarted to second guess like why
I'm not posting her.
But in reality, like therelationship went exactly how I
thought it was going to go andwe didn't last long.
So I'm 50-50 with it.
I've just seen ups and downs ofyou know, experiencing love
(45:57):
when it's real, like on aplatform, because usually that
outlasts the actual relationship.
Yeah, it's a lot ofconversations after that shit
trying to talk to somebody.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Aren't you engaged?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Aren't you engaged?
They couldn't wait to ask methat question.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
You still get that, though, mm-mm.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
No, but somebody.
This is just a friend, butthere was somebody that
questioned that though they hadlooked it up and it was just
like I guess they just looked upmy name and that shit popped up
.
I don't even know where thisstuff is, because I haven't seen
it in years, but it's attached.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's attached, so it's a 50-50 yeah, that seems
like a turn off to have a publicrelationship yes, but again,
like when it's good, everythingis good, it's like.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It's like an outpouring of love, in a way
it's the opposite side.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You have your own profile, my own profile and
that's us individually.
Yeah, like that's.
So just a way to make it easyyeah, yeah, oh man yeah, yeah,
I'll be liking like little cuteshit, like we.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
We walking up the street and both of our shoes are
right there.
You know telling the story,yeah, I'd be like.
I'd be liking a little shitlike that.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I mean, that's cool, I can like yeah, I like it too
it's not like I dislike it orlike like I growl at the sight
of it.
Yeah, but at the end of the day, is it all worth it if
everybody gets to see us, if, ifour ultimate fall off?
You know what I mean.
And now you get it.
Now I just don't like that.
Like hey, how was yada yada?
(47:42):
You know what I mean.
And like I got to do that for along time with individual
person.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I got to explain it to people I don't need to
explain it to Right.
Yeah, worth it.
For what?
Yeah, that didn't get me anextra bag.
Yeah, probably could have it,maybe, but yeah, and maybe it
could have lasted longer if itdid, you know, but no, I think
that it's just easier to keepthings private yeah, I have a
(48:13):
relationship, I'm all right, I'min a relationship and then I
just, you know, we just have ourseparate pages.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I'm sure that affectsthe relationship to a certain
degree, but if that's the thingsyou love, then, like, I tell
you, I'm not your guy.
Yeah, yeah, and that's justkind of how it is.
(48:35):
Ultimately, if you can't dowithout that, then I'm not your
person.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
And that's just how it is.
Yeah, it can be a thing.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It definitely can.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Not to say that I ever won't, but I'm just saying
Like to the degree of what y'allhad.
It's like, yeah, that's a lot,but we was locked in at that
point.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We talking about years, and that's usually what
happens with people who haverelationships that are online
usually.
That they show it.
They've been locked in for along ass time.
And yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I remember we weretogether for a long time before
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we ever started posting.
Yeah, yeah, I remember we weretogether for a long time before
we ever started posting.
Yeah, and then it was overafter we made the joint page
Trying to, like I said, get toanother bag.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's why I say it's possible.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I see people doing it .
Speaker 1 (49:33):
They be killing that shit, they be making a hell of
money, yeah, yeah, and it canwork for them, or it cannot.
You know, it just all depends.
I think that it that's a goodway to make it, make it work.
We all have something that youdesire together, like if you
have your own business togetherand build it up and want to see
it grow.
That's a, that's another typeof baby of your own.
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You see the fruits of it, yousee the seeds.
You're both passionate, andwhen it does well, when it does
poorly yeah, yeah then that'sprobably yeah, then those
relationships may not last long.
Yeah, those are all the but.
All the great things when itdoes well, so you see them.
When they're making the killing, it does well but.
If it falls off.
It goes off.
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They're arguing aboutdisagreeing about the page, and
then you can tear them apart too.
So you have those.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, so you have both sides of it yeah, I don't
think I'm ever gonna do thatagain.
The uh um, the uh uh, what's itcalled?
The joint page thing the rayand whoever like ray and stay,
(50:43):
ray and stay I don't think so.
It has nothing to do with theprevious uh relationship.
She was great.
Like when it came to that wholething, I just I'd be feeling
fake after a certain point.
It's like I just want, I justwant this relationship to be a
relationship Like.
(51:03):
You know, I'm cool with doing afew TikToks here and there, you
know.
But like when it became therelationship, then it's just
like.
It just feels fake, like Igotta hype myself up and we're
just driving to Walmart like to,to, to look better on the blog,
the vlog or whatever.
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That shit was exhausting for me.
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I'm going to do that again.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't see that happening.
Could you do that Like a jointpage and let's make funny skits
all the time?
Speaker 1 (51:38):
No, for what?
I'm never in that ever goodmood, like let's be real, yeah,
I'm never happy enough to dothat, why no, I'm just saying
like that's a once in a I don't.
Well, I guess I'm saying thewrong thing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That's not me yeah.
So, I'm doing something that'snot me.
Uh, yeah, yeah, so I.
So when you put the phone in myface, I turn down, I shut off
yeah yeah, I go into, you knowmy inner kid, like, like my,
like myself and my shyness.
I don't like to be confrontedon the camera.
That's just not who I am.
(52:19):
That's not how it works for me.
Yeah, um, so, yeah, so so theanswer is no but, so I was
saying it wrong.
It's not like, uh, like I'm justmad all the time.
You just gotta catch me on theright day.
I just don't really not thatphotogenic enough to do that
like even even now.
This is easier because this isa conversation that we can have
(52:40):
and it gets public public wide.
Now, if I have to do a thing forthe cameras, it's something
different yeah yeah, like I cancommentate on something and the
cameras be on, and that's whatI'm.
I'm talking about the thing,but if I have to entertain for
the camera, it's, it's maybe alittle bit different.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
So I was like hey, I gotta perk up and do this thing.
That it's not me, no I I likehaving conversations I like
talking about sports.
I like talking aboutrelationship.
I'm curious about the otherindividual now we can have
entertainment in that, amongsteach other and the camera.
So beyond during then, butdoing another thing and maybe
and I don't want to just closemyself off on it entirely um,
(53:25):
but it has to be a mission.
This can't be just like I wantto see it, like I want to be,
like, hey, I have a goal I wantto get to and this is a means to
the to the goal.
Like, hey, if you're like, hey,I want you to do this thing for
me, like I want you to be apart of this movie, or I'm just
all right yeah okay, I'll dothat thing for you and let's
practice for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(53:45):
But if you're just throwinglike hey, let's do this one,
let's cook and have us do it,together on the camera like no
there's no purpose for itbecause you have no goal around
it.
There's no business plan,there's no model.
Yeah, you gotta show me towhere it makes sense yeah, so
you don't like having fun?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I mean that if that's what you call having fun, then
then the random ass tick tocksthis that's fun for a lot of
people.
Um yeah, usually women lovedoing that with their, their
significant other.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, but I meanthat's but everybody ain't like
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that.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, and, like I said, if that's something that
you it's a must have for you,then by all means that's the
place you probably need to beand that's fine.
I can live in that place and belike you know what, hey, she
wants.
She has different desires thanI do.
Then you find where you'rehappy.
I won't be resentful of that.
(54:49):
What I do become resentful ofis that you find that place and
keep me here and you never giveme the option to search, for
example, like a cheater, andyou'd never give me the option
to search.
You know what I mean.
So, for example, um, he's like,hey, like a cheater, a person
who, well, I don't have todefine a cheater, but I will for
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the so a person who is goingbehind your back and having
relationships with somebody else.
Yeah, and you're doing theright things and being faithful.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
And you know you're staying at home, you know you're
making sure everything's done,bills are being paid, yada, yada
, mm-hmm, and then they're justdoing whatever they want and
lying to you about it.
Now that's how I'll be very madand very resentful.
Yeah, I'd rather you say, hey,I want to have a relationship
(55:46):
with somebody else and you cando that too, and we can maybe
try to find us this together, orwe separate, like.
I don't like to not have theoption, and that's why I was
talking about wasting your timeis because I don't want that to.
You know, like, and that's whyI was talking about wasting your
time Is because I don't wantthat to.
You know, like, dang, you wasout Dating while I was here Like
(56:06):
dude.
I could have been doing thattoo.
Oh, yeah, so it's more about, Iguess, fairness and equal.
Yeah, I just want to be treatedfair.
I just want to be not lied toand not being, you know, doing
things behind my back and I haveno idea what's going on and I'm
thinking you're a honey.
(56:27):
But you could have did thiswhole thing and told me, and I
would have respected you for it.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
And just been straight up with you.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, exactly, just keep it a honey.
If that's what you want to beon, then I can either like it or
not.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
I'm not going to be mad.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
I will not be mad at you for presenting this to me
they, um, and that's what youmeant uh, uh, uh loosely about
like the tiktoks, like just tellme that you be on this shit oh
well, that's going to be a takeher to leave it.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Situation like I mean I, I'm, I'm understanding, I'm
real, I'm like I know what'sgoing on.
I know that people enjoy thesocial media lifestyle, uh-huh.
So I get it.
You know you, you see otherpeople's relationships online
majority of people on socialmedia, definitely our age as
well and all and you're watchingthat constantly.
(57:19):
That becomes desirable.
That's what you want.
That's content and I can seewhy you can love it and I can
see how you can compare yourrelationships to your own right.
So it's not like that's foreignto me, like I never thought
that a day in my life.
I get it totally, but I'll butkeep in mind that that's not a
(57:40):
relationship and how that reallyshould be how it is.
Yeah, like, for example, the80-year-old couples that didn't
have social media they love eachother to death.
Yeah, who cares?
Like, yeah, my mom doesn't posther husband every day and they
cooking and eating with eachother yeah, doesn't matter,
(58:02):
right?
Yeah, yeah, her husband everyday and they cooking and eating
with each other?
Yeah, doesn't matter, you'reright.
Yeah, yeah, my, my, my mentor'suh, wife doesn't even have
social media.
She's 50 something years oldthey in a strong structural
relationship.
Just so I know the things thatactually do matter.
That is just.
That's just like you.
You know that's like Louis V.
(58:23):
It's like, at the end of theday, it's just a bag.
It doesn't mean that much, butit makes you feel good for
having it.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, a bag.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's what I'm just saying.
It's just a bag, yeah, yeah,but it makes you feel good when
you have it.
But at the end of the day,that's not who you are as a
person, you're not a leader.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's just like hey, this makes me feel good at times
, but this is not myrelationship.
But, by all means, if you liketo post, I'm not going to be
like get out of social media,but don't expect me to do that
with with in terms of me havingmy own page and me post you and
things like that.
Now there's a video.
You want to do a time or twoand take a picture together?
(59:06):
I'm I'm totally with that.
I'm understanding.
But to make that who who I amnow is, you're not going to get
that.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
I get that I get that , yeah, yeah.
When it's in excess, and I'msaying all this and I come out
with a video every day, it'sjust like that's my pocket, but
it can just get super excessive.
It's only excessive becauseit's just not me for real.
So I completely get that, whichis why I never leaned um, I, I
(59:40):
never leaned into twitch because, like, my personality checks
out like after a certain timeand you got to be streaming all
day and night like I don't knowhow they do that.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
So do you think that, um say, if somebody offers you
a million dollars?
I'm doing it.
I'll figure it out.
No, no, yeah, no.
A billion dollars to beexecutive producer um for um
paramount, and so that requiresyou to be behind the scenes.
Do you think that you wouldstill do social media because
(01:00:10):
you love it?
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
yeah, okay, yeah, I can't stop okay doing um
creating, okay, because I is butyou're creating it with with
paramount yeah, but it's notsteve okay it is your executive
producer, this is your creation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Well, you're just not .
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I'm just saying would you cut out being front-facing
and be fine having you knowletting race, so silly, go to
the wastelands no okay okay I'min too deep at this point, okay,
so I yeah, it would have toeither be some type of
transition, but I do feel likeme, my being, my charisma, how I
speak, the jokes that I say,it's like meant for me to say
(01:00:52):
these things I can't write thatfor somebody else but you're
also you're getting generationalmoney with another company and
you don't need Rachel Sill.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
And the reason why I'm asking that question is
because, uh, braxton Taylor wason um the worrying mall podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Did you hear that how he is okay with not being an
artist anymore?
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah, exactly His heart ain't in it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, yeah, he'd been saying that shit for years.
Yeah, nah, but my heart is init.
It's like money's cool.
That aspect of taking care offamily and all that shit would
definitely be the first thingthat I think about.
However, it's literally a partof my happiness to create and
(01:01:47):
release something like with mein it, like these thoughts that
are in my head, the jokes andall this stuff, like it's just
not the same type of life for meif I'm not doing it, if I'm not
, if I'm not using what was liketotally given to me, which is a
, which is myself in a way.
So I just seen, I just seen um,me doing it and me being uh,
(01:02:09):
when I had that job and I waslike doing well and I wasn't
doing that, it felt like a partof me was just missing, yeah,
and that that had a part of me,of my downfall, of of losing
myself.
I felt like if I kept that up Iwould have been happier.
But you know, life is going tolife in general, so you have to
(01:02:33):
do certain things that likegenuinely make you happy.
It's not about the money, youknow.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I got you, I got you.
I think we did it.
Well, this is Two for theCulture, and I'm Stephen Ray,
justin Devante, and we'll beback, alright, yes, sir.
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante, I'm StevenRay.
Yes, sir, we are back.
How you feeling Feel good man,Feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What's new?
I didn't really do too muchlast week.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You got, you just on your workout grind.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just got back, I just got back I just got back so
I really fasted for real lastweek.
I was like only on fruits andvegetables and how was that easy
?
Exhausting okay yeah, after awhile I was just like man this.
And then, uh, then I wentstraight to Taco Bell and pizza.
(00:42):
On Sunday I woke up.
My face was a little swollen.
I enjoyed that.
After you eat something bad.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
What's your pizza choice?
Pepperoni Okay, just pepperonicheese.
No.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
My favorite type of pizza is Pineapple.
Nah, people be sitting on thepineapple.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I know, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But my favorite is flatbread, no thin crust, with
pepperoni and diced tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Okay, that's my favorite.
Okay interesting, but I didn'tget that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I just got the regular degular, you know for
Domino's.
Okay, so I think it wasDomino's, I don't even care.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So what is if you was on death row?
What is your executioner meal,your last meal?
My last meal yes, I'll give youmine and I'll let you choose.
Okay, so I'm going, I'mdefinitely going.
(01:49):
Fried chicken, some good friedchicken, beef ribs, sweet
potatoes, mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, like who cares if it fucks up your stomach?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean exactly, exactly, a hundred percent.
Okay, I'll take that out.
Yeah, and then I'm goings upyour stomach.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean exactly, Exactly A hundred percent.
Okay, if I take that out.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, and then I'm going.
Oh, you was going some healthy,no you was going garden salad.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm definitely going peach cobbler.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Peach cobbler.
I don't know Now that we'regoing that route.
Ribs would be grounding.
Remember the last time I hadribs?
I'm going to go the I don'tneed to move it, still as good
as it once was.
But I really used to lovechicken Alfredo, like the
(02:38):
fettuccine with the broccoli andall that stuff in it, maybe
some spices in there.
They used to be really good.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm definitely throwing a crab cake in mine,
though a crab cake.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know man, I think
straight up that thanksgivingmeal pretty much does it, you're
right, yeah, yeah, like I wantto throw some extra like shrimp
etouffee on mine.
That yeah shrimp and grits justcame to mind.
Oh okay, yeah, there's someshrimp and grits at frothy
monkey it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it makes me like I do want to go back,
though, but every time being youever like?
No, I'm good, yeah, I'm likedang, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, it's totally different now that I have like
coffee here and you know I makethe breakfast that I would get
there, but it is definitely agreat vibe there in front of you
.
I do miss it.
I thought about that this week.
I went to this coffee shop uphere it was dope.
It was dope.
I'm a right there or I'm gonnawork sometimes there.
(03:41):
It's got a, it's got a nicevibe.
It's not as lit inside of itlike property monkeys is like
straight Sun, so straight Sunyes, unlike, oh, like lit.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, it's not lit up.
I thought you saw my like interms of people like the traffic
is not as good, mmm, so thetraffic is good mm-hmm, it's
about bashing okay, yeah,americano, mm-hmm, that's the
name of the place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, I didn't know it was a coffee shop.
I thought that was just like abar.
It is, it's a bar too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh, okay, so you can do that, but I just went there
to work.
Yeah, it was a dope vibe.
I got the latte, the same thingthat I got at the other place.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It tasted very similar, so they got like a
couple of small plates orwhatever.
So is there a place you want togo to before you die Like?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
a country you want to visit, a site you want to see.
I always thought London, butnow it's kind of like I don't
know it's kind of.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's kind of fading a little bit in terms of amount
of um, that feeling of mewanting to go there.
You know that clearly becauseof the accent, it just I just
want to be around it and hear it, but I always hear how gloomy
it is there and how like it's,not like an uplifting feeling I
do hear that a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So um other than london, not really.
I think my fear of flyingpretty much got rid of that.
For me, just like you know,usually a place like where would
you want to go?
I'm assuming it's overseassomewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, south africa I want to go to in greece
.
I want to go to in Greece, Iwant to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I hear a lot about South Africa.
Yeah, they get it popping downthere so yeah, three last
relationships.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
If you can take one attribute from the last three
and make it into one person,what would those three
attributes be?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
one from each.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I wonder if they're watching this.
They'd be like, oh, which oneis it?
That's a good one, okay, hmm,all right, so one of them, three
attributes, the most recent,I'll go.
(06:13):
I don't want to say I'm a.
Scramble them up, scramble themup in my head, yeah, so if they
see it, then they're likethey're going to know who they
are but I'll say from one person, it was like a package deal, it
was like.
It was like a person who, whowanted to be a wife that was
(06:39):
super cool and cool toexperience.
A lot goes into that, a lot, alot of being seen and
understanding like lovelanguages to a different level
just because, like they want tobe a wife, I'll say that another
one is someone who enjoys lifeand loves to laugh Like a funny
(07:07):
girl is so cool.
Like that's way rarer than whatI thought.
Like somebody who, like a girlwho actually makes you like
laugh out loud, that's likethat's not, that's not as common
, um, and what was therelationship before that?
Just simply being like a goodperson, and a lot goes into that
(07:40):
too.
You can be fucked up if youwant to, but you just choose to
like be your better self andyeah, that's that's really cool
to be on the opposite end ofthose now, do you think those
three attributes?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
would that be like a superwoman to you?
It's always something wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I got you right , so that you know that that's
just the way I think.
I mean, I don't know if it'sthe perfect way to think, but I
feel like, even if I get quote aperfect woman, it's going to be
something.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, it's always.
I mean, there's two differentbrands two different experiences
.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, what about you?
I don't have that manyrelationships, I sure had to
think back on mine.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So if you could take two things, yeah, two things I
would say, so I have to gothrough the relationship I'm in
now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, I mean, you put it out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, I didn't put it out.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Mine was towards you, yeah, so the one I'm in now is
like the I was towards you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So the one I'm in now is like the love intensity, you
can kind of cut it with a knife.
You know how much she doesdesire to be in a relationship
and I think that's very strong.
And my one, that one, it's hardto remember.
(09:10):
There was a lot of things, asmuch as I feel, like you,
there's some toxic and thingsthat she did wrong, um.
There's some things that shedid right, um, and I think she
was thoughtful.
I think she was.
She was a thoughtful person yeahfor sure, um, and a lot of
(09:32):
those, like you know, she, shewas intense, yeah, she, she
loved her too and, you know, waswilling to fight for me in a
lot of ways, but, um, but yeah,I would say she was thoughtful,
in, in, in her own way.
Now, of course, how thoughtfulcan you be?
You know what I mean.
And this thoughtful and loyalall mesh into, is it the same
(09:55):
thing?
Not really.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I guess yeah, you pulled from another girl with
that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But yeah, she was, I think yeah, thoughtful was the
best way I can describe it.
That's tough.
That's tough up from what I canremember.
I'm sure there's somethingother than that, but yeah, that
was, that was a good one.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
That was a good question yeah, they counted me
off.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like one attribute yeah, because I mean,
I think that, like it's easy forus to when we look back at our
relationships at the worst ofthem, because it didn't always
end great, but then there wassome things that you could have
latched onto, that she had, thatmaybe another person didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I try to counter that .
I try to do that or try tocatch myself.
Anytime I have done that or itstarts to go a little left, I do
try to counter that with howmuch did.
I actually love this person.
Be for real.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
This shit wasn't all bad.
That's pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
If I'm thinking about the same three that you named.
You loved them all oh yeah,yeah, and you know I think you
would work if it was on you forthe for y'all to see it through
there you know, I think you andyour.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You wanted to see that through yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, that is that is somethingyeah uh, I I wonder like how
that's going to.
You know, I think we talkedabout it before it's like the
the, the more that we evolve,it's like the less tolerance for
certain things, you know.
(11:46):
So there are moments where Iwas like overly committed.
I don't know if I can like dothat anymore overly committed
overly committed, like this is asinking ship.
But like I, I told myself I'mgonna stay with you.
So I'm gonna stay with you likeoverly committed okay, now if I
(12:08):
have, if I put a ring on agirl's finger, then like that's,
that's kind of different.
I feel like that is that'sliterally commitment, that's
what right yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Um so what if you see the ship sinking?
Mm-hmm but she still wants tostay on the ship.
Are you going to be the personto break it up?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
you stay on the ship.
They got some boats on the sidethat I could do some rafts,
yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm taking swimming class yeah, I'm just saying are
you ready, if she's not yet, todecommit and make that split?
But you are wanting to, are yougoing to like?
So you're coming up with thebreakup, you're not doing this,
this and this, and I just don'tthink you're for me.
And she's like yes, I am, Iwant to be here, I want to stay,
I want to make it work.
(12:59):
I mean, if she uh excuse mechooses to like want to be
better or to be better.
She wants to make it work.
Being better isn't a part of it, she just wants to make it work
, oh, but it's still like notworking like you're not making
those improvements, oh yeah,yeah, do you think you?
Have this the, the will and thestrength to break up.
(13:22):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay.
Yes, now I do, okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Seeing tears and her crying and her texting.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Because you love her, you just know it's not going to
work.
Yeah, if I love her, that's Ican't.
I just can't do it to myselfagain.
It's bigger than her.
That's going to be hard, butI've just seen it multiple times
, like, if this shit ain'tworking, I'm trying to sit here
(13:53):
and talk to you and figure outhow I can talk to you, figure
out how to do this conversation.
Whatever we're not gettingbetter.
It usually doesn't end well.
So either she's crying and allthis stuff.
Now I done seen how many girlsI done been with cry.
I want to make this work, bro.
They do some fucked up shitsomewhere in there, like after
all them tears, so those tearsdon't that shit is a temporary
(14:18):
feeling, in a way.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know, all feelings are temporary in a way,
but um I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't judge women off that you know, or the
relationship off of you justcrying right now.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's it.
But I mean, I feel like I meanyou're saying that in the
conversation, but it's hard foryou to not well want anybody to
not feel bad yeah yeah and um I.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I just don't see you like right, no, you know I ain't
saying it's gonna go there ifthe the, the relationship is
strong in its own right, butit's just like not working.
Yeah, it's gonna be difficult,but I've seen like if I go
through something with someoneand there's, even if we try,
(15:12):
it's still not improving, Ican't be miserable like I can't
do that.
I've been in places like that.
We gonna start resenting eachother and it's not gonna play
out right you know, unless thereis, you actually are trying,
then I I'll always see it, youknow um, but yeah, I just don't.
(15:36):
I don't see myself staying insomething like that.
Just really, based off of thepast few relationships that I've
had, is it just don't go wellbro and then I end up like
losing bits and pieces of myselfand I I feel like I have.
I have now, um reached a newplace in my life of figuring out
(16:01):
like who I am, like what I needto be happy, and like this,
this, that and the other, and toget here and then to invite
somebody in to my space and thenwhat like?
That's not.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's not saying like happiness to me, that's not
sounding like a lot of happydays and I'm gonna resent you
for that, like after a certainpoint so do you think that your
last two exes that if you wentto the bar and they just
happened to be at the bar, thatyou can like pay them no, never
(16:35):
mind?
Or do you feel like I want toactively strike a conversation?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think it'd be inevitable To feel like you know
, let me say something.
You know I'm not in, I'm not onbad terms with anybody.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know what I'm saying, not just say something.
An active conversation, adiscussion Like how are you?
No, I want to talk, like I'mjust saying Do you think there
would be Like an emotional, likeI want to talk to you?
I don't want to just be like,hey, you're good, yeah, I'm good
.
Like the last time I saw my myex-girlfriend the one that you
(17:12):
know that we were to calltogether I said, hey, how are
you?
Hug goodbye uh-huh there, Ididn't care to have a
conversation yeah yeah, but I'msaying for you, it's not just
more than that.
Hey, what's up, you know it'sand shake up with somebody I
mean the the picture you justpainted.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's like if I'm at a bar and they're at the like
we're here that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I was at a bar too and I'm saying I just hugged her
and walked away and I was likeactually I'm gonna leave, it's
just yeah, um I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I mean, in my head I don't really see a bad
conversation happen.
I don't talk to either of them.
It's been like a long timesince I've talked to either of
them, so there would besomething to talk about you know
and, like I said, we don't hateeach other.
We all got nice personality.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Nobody standoffish yeah, and I agree, I don't hate
the other person.
I wish them well, but it justwasn't like I didn't feel
anything to have a discussion,to say yeah I think I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think if there was an excess in speaking I could
get to that point.
I've seen that, um, likecatching up with an ex.
And then I just remember oneday the last conversation I had
with one of them it was like wewere running out of stuff to say
it never happened before.
(18:36):
I was like, oh wow, like we'reactually like moved on.
We actually don't.
I don't even like I, I don'tknow, I'm not even coming up.
You know how, like you can havea flow of a conversation with
somebody for hours and hours,but all of a sudden you don't
even know what to even thinkabout, the next thing to say and
all that.
So I felt like if it was anexcessive conversation, then I
(18:59):
would probably end up being likethat, like all right, I'm out
of here, bye, but I think itwould just be a normal
conversation.
Yeah, I ain't at the pointwhere I'm like, hey, bye.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been like a long-ass timeso like how you been what you
been doing.
Oh, that's dope, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Yeah, that's understandable.
No, I'm just curious.
I feel like sometimes you I'msure there was a point in my
life to where I wanted to have adiscussion.
Oh yeah, I want to know howthey're doing.
It's not just to makeconversation, it's just because
(19:41):
they're there and not to make itawkward, like hey, what's going
on?
Just to be curious on your life.
But for me now it's like, yeah,I hope you're doing well.
I don't wish ill on you, but Idon't really care to have a
discussion Now.
If we was the only people atthe bar, then I'm going to talk
to you, but otherwise I'm goingto keep on doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, it's really just the positioning of the
situation.
I can also see that too, likeI'm heading out and then I see
them.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm like yo hey awkward.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know that could be a high buy situation as well,
but yeah you know it's all good.
There were times, though, likeI just want to have a little
discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I remember feeling like that but thank God for
better days I got you.
Do you think that?
I mean, I feel like the answeris going to be yes, but I'll
just ask the question Do youthink that you?
Do you see yourself making thesame mistake twice come to your
previous relationships?
(20:53):
Like do you know more of whatto look for in a woman?
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
No, it's just like, like in those past relationships
, you know that thought ofconvincing yourself like the
grass is greener, when, like youcould literally see it, you
could see exactly what's upfront, what you're getting, and
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I can only assume it's the sameway.
That's being reflected for meas well.
But that stuff, it just didn'tlead me down a path of uh, like
I said, going back to what I wassaying earlier about how I'm
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affected, like seeing me beaffected by certain people when
I knew damn well in thebeginning or throughout this
process, like these things willpop up.
Like I'm not really on the pathof, like I said, trying to be
overly committed with anybodyanymore.
You know, it's like, cause Isee what that does to me and I
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don't like that shit.
I don't, like, you know, certainsituations I've been in, that
she was in the back of my headfor a long ass time.
It felt like a disease, like itfelt like I don't know, like I
needed surgery or some shit toget these, this negative shit
out of my head.
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But I knew I was the one whoput myself there.
So it's like going throughstuff like that and realizing
that, yeah, they could be thisBecause, like you know, out of
everybody that you're with,there's certain aspects that's
in them that's not in like otherpeople.
So some part of them usuallyshines and then you see that
(22:47):
part, you're like damn, likethey're so good at this, but
this shit right here just reallyfucks with me.
Um, and yeah, I learned that alot about.
Uh, in those, in thoserelationships, and the only
person that really end up losingis me, for real well, I mean
both of us do in our own ways,but in my truth, like that's
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what happens.
So I don't see myself.
I don't see the only way Iwould be like in something.
I'm like man she tripping, I'mgoing to keep trying, keep
trying.
Keep trying is like a ring onthe finger.
Yeah, that would be the onlyway that I could see myself like
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be the the only way that Icould see myself like trying to
fight through the thoughts of weshould break up.
Yeah, I got you, yeah, so itwouldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying but nah, um,
yeah, so if you was to meet agirl, exchange your numbers
today and, um, well, I guess letme not speak for you.
And is it easy for you to do itone night stand?
Is that like if she was downfor it, you're down for it right
, that's.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't think I've ever done that, but I could only
assume that is a case byby-casebasis, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, Okay.
So I'm not saying I'm just outhere like that but maybe it's a
perfect day.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'll meet you at a coffee shop at 12 am.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean pm, and then we end up having a whole day.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I don't know you, having that one night stand with
that person does not umdiscount her for, uh, putting a
ring on her in the future.
I don't think it does, okay, Idon't think it does.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I've seen friends be with like they had some, some
starts to their relationships towhere it's like you would think
this is probably not going tolast and now they're like
married with kids and shit.
So I don't think so.
It's a vibe thing yeah so.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But there's um other times that you get a number, um
you having a conversation withthis woman, the way y'all
talking, you kind of engage,like she's fine.
You know, yeah, I want to seeit further, but her her ways, I
know that we probably wouldn'tbe a future together.
Um, do you would you feel badif you know she liked you but
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you know you didn't see her inthat, in that way as in the
future, that if you was to takeher home and she thought it was
more but you knew it wasn't,would you feel bad?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
uh, yeah, yeah, no, it's not a good feeling.
It's not a good feeling youknow, that, that it something
happened.
It didn't happen like that, butI just remember.
I just remember, um, notknowing.
This is like years ago, but Iwasn't knowing like what I was
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doing in that moment.
I thought we were just hangingout chilling, and all of a
sudden, now we're on a date andshe thinks it's classified as a
real date and she's like, whyisn't he like, why does this
isn't hand over me, why is youknow?
It was just.
It was just so much expectationthat she kept saying it too, so
(26:26):
it just started to get awkwardand then I was in a position
where I felt like I had to domore than what I wanted and I
didn't, and it just made shitawkward.
And I just don't hang out withpeople that I don't fully like
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or have an interest in in.
Have you been through somethinglike that where, like, you
gotta kind of like fake itbecause you you just got here?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
yeah, I mean, there was one time to where, um this,
I was driving uber and this, umthe one of the girls she hit.
She had a man and she's like myfriend will be perfect for you
you know, yeah, yeah, and so weexchanged, you know she, uh, I
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let her take my number down andthen, um, she gave me the other
girl's number and then, you know, we facetimed the girl's number
, and then, you know, wefacetime.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
She ain't cute, yeah, but you know I'm gonna be nice
and go out on a date and so youwent further.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, I didn't want to.
Yeah, yeah, it was like justcool conversation, but I was
like you know, I'll just takeher, take her out, have a good
time and that she's not cute waspremeditated yeah, yeah, she's
like.
Nah, she ain't really, butmaybe you know she's, you know
yeah, a good time.
It sounds like she hasn't beenon a date in a while, and so I
took her out, and it wasn't ityeah I mean she was cool, um,
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but that's just.
I didn't.
Of course, I didn't see muchfor a future with her yeah yeah,
but that was a maybe.
I have situations like that towhere I can tell that girl likes
me, but I'm not going, I'm not.
I feel bad about wasting theirtime, so I don't really.
You know, I'll be Alwaysrespectful and nice, but I won't
really Do much with thembecause Even though I do want to
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Like, hey, she's cool, she'llprobably be a nice lady, but I
can't, yeah, like I'll bewasting your time.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I don't never want to say that, you know either.
I don't want to be that honesteither, but I'm not, you know, I
like you.
I like you as a person.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You'll be a good friend or associate, yeah, but
I'm not willing to go all theway of a relationship Because
there's like I remember this onegirl.
She's cute and if I showed youa picture she's like oh, she is
pretty, but she's like a whitehippie girl and that's like not,
I'm a church God, that's notthe who, I can't bring you
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around like that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
A hippie.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The way that she moved it was.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
It was like too.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Um, eccentric, uh-huh , like it's very free-spirited,
um, it's not really thatbuttoned up.
You know what I mean, and I waslike I'll have to make you who
you're not who you're not no,yeah, just to hang out at the
cookout I'm just saying like tochurch, and you know what I mean
like yeah, you got to grow alot um before but no, she's very
(29:35):
, very nice, very pretty, but Iwas like that's not, you know,
and so I never really took itany steps further, even though
she was interested in like yeah,yeah, yeah, no, I don't, I
don't like that feeling it'sjust like I gotta be fake.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I don't like that feeling.
It's just like I got to be fake.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't want to be here and I don't want like even
if I'm going off of that analogyit's like I like you for who
you are, but I know that I'm notgoing to see a future with you.
So why am I going to waste yourtime?
Yeah, yeah, because literallyI'll be leading you on.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And that's I feel like, in a way, your time is
wasted too, that's what it feltlike for me, but I have the.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I'm choosing to waste my time, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
You really think it's more than what it is.
So you, you know it's like likethe, the, the uh label is
intentionally signing you to 360forever and and then, if they
know, they're getting over onyou.
But you think you got the bestdeal in the world, you coming
out the hood you got you, youknow you go be doing well, and
(30:45):
then five years later yourealize wow, I got really
screwed for this.
I can't believe they did this tome, but at the time you're
loving it, you appreciate it,yeah, so I never want to give
them that 360 deal because Iknow that at the end of the day
it may feel fun at the time, butI know where my head's at.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, no, I completely get being in
something like that.
You just got to like.
It just didn't feel right forme.
There's a bunch of questions onhere.
I want to see if I can add some.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I can keep going, if you yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So I feel like you're really diving deep.
I feel like you should justchoose one.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, I mean I was trying to see which one was a
good one.
Yeah, like there's random stuffon here Like is jealousy a sign
of love, insecurity or both, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean we can talk about it like
if that's one that you juststumbled upon, that's an
interesting one.
Um, I think that jealousy isdefinitely both, for sure, oh
this is a good one, and I thinkit's.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
is it better to marry someone who feels like home or
someone who excites you?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean it feels like home is just feels too good,
like this is where I'm supposedto be.
It's exciting, like I feel,like you can find excitement at
a strip club maybe yeah, it'sgiving fun girl.
Yeah, or maybe that's just likemy head like I, yeah, yeah, I
don't, yeah, exciting soundslike you know, like I shouldn't
(32:34):
be here, you know, I don't knowyeah, but home is just too.
It's just too powerful, I wouldsay effects.
Yeah, it's giving me some blandones, yeah, today but I mean, we
can talk about jealousy uh-huhum, do you think you're a
jealous person Like so, for youknow she going out with your
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girl, the girl's coming home at3 am, Right?
Is that about the?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, the only time I do remember feeling jealous was
because I was insecure aboutmyself.
That's the only time I do youspeak on it.
The time, um, it was like itwas just like I wasn't put
together, like my mind wasn'tkind of calm, stable, like as it
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is now, like I wasn't workingon myself.
I wasn't working on myself, Iwasn't working out, I wasn't
doing a lot for myself andtaking care of myself.
So you know when, and therewere a couple of things that
happened in that relationship,that kind of just like made me
feel a way, but a lot of itstill had to.
(33:46):
It lied on me just beinginsecure.
It lied on me just beinginsecure.
I I definitely feel that becausenowadays, if it's pretty simple
, it's just like all right if,if I got a girl and she just
wilding, or if she just like youknow, out and putting herself
out there, it's pretty clearlike if you're there or if she
(34:10):
does, uh, or if I'm not thereand I just like hear from
somebody or it's posted on thestory, she kind of like doing a
lot, i'ma just I don't know.
I'ma just think like we had agood run.
You know, like it is what it isbut, um, but yeah, like in in
the times that I did feel likejealous.
(34:33):
It was almost like I didn'twant the girl to be around guys
who were better than me, and Ithink that's something that a
lot of men go through.
Probably don't say it, but yeah, when I wasn't taking care of
myself, that was something thatI did feel.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and that's interestingthat you say that, because I
have a different perspective onthat, because how I look at
things is overall.
Overall, you know, you cangauge somebody and be like, hey,
he's a millionaire, so thatmeans he's better.
(35:15):
But in my own head and maybe Ijustified over time I think
we're our own individual personand we all also all offer
something different.
So that's how I look at it,like, if that's what you want,
then fine, yeah that's what I'msaying.
I don't feel like.
No man is technically Like ifMe or Jeff Bezos, I would
(35:39):
understand why you would chooseJeff Bezos.
You know what I mean.
So I guess I feel that, but forme I also offer something
different Than Jeff Bezos doesoffer.
So I feel like in arelationship and some others
maybe my own girlfriend maydisagree, but I think that I'm
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actually a good boyfriend thatcares that tries to do the right
thing, you know, and puts youover myself, and I think all
that matters.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So I feel good about my confidence in what I bring to
the table.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Well, that's really my whole point Okay Was that you
feel that way?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so like I wouldn't say that nowadays.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Like.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I don't even look at.
I look at everything, kind oflike how you said you know,
whatever I'm meant to be herefor is just like I'm just trying
to max out on that.
But my thought process, like Isaid at one time when I wasn't
confident in myself, or my ownthought process, the way I make
decisions, everything that'swhen those negative thoughts
(36:48):
like that better shit, thatbetter shit, like that's what
I'm saying it came from backthen like in those pockets of
time.
So, yeah, I wasn't saying that.
Like nowadays- that I look atpeople like that, but that's
just where, when you're insecureabout yourself it's just like a
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lot of shit seeps into yourhead.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
That ain't even real.
Would you feel?
Uh, would you feel a way?
Well, I mean, I guess theanswer is no good time for you
answering by mass anyway.
Um, would you feel a way if theso say, if your ex moved on to
Michael B Jordan?
You know what I mean, like dang, you know she leveled up um, I
just would expect it.
(37:34):
I don't know, okay, yeah, likeyou wouldn't feel no way.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, I mean it's it just is what it is for real.
Okay, so it's not like I meanagain, you gotta look at how I
look at myself.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You be happy for it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Be happy for it sure.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
To be honest anybody, any.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It depends on who you're talking about.
I want everybody to be happy,but would it be weird if Some,
some particular people Just getmarried Off the first?
Look at the photo.
I'm just being completelyhonest I'm still happy for you,
but you know, it's just likeI'll hit one of them yeah yeah,
(38:16):
but that's not like um, I don'tknow like any any negative
connotation, like you know,attached to it.
But yeah, if anybody got withthem, I mean I kind of expect
that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I expect people to just Move on.
I don't want to say level up,because then that makes me feel
like I ain't shit.
That's not how I look at myself.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But you know what I'm saying.
Just move on and be happy.
Who they happy with.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's going to happen with me too, you
know so right right right, soI'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I ain't tripping off that is there a point in your
weight?
Shit is it huh, oh, go ahead.
What'd you answer?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
uh no, I always think of it like in these certain
ways, like if I was anybody elsewould I do that.
Yeah, it's really that simple.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, you're going to take the best option available.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'm saying that's the best in your own eyes, like,
hey, I love this person, this isthe best person for me.
And that's very mature, becausesometimes in my mind I also
have that thing of like I wantyou doing better than me too.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So I have that thinking as well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
But, yeah, take the best option available because,
lord willing, I'll have thatsame option to me, because, yeah
for sure, yeah, yeah, no, I,yeah, I feel like if I were to
think like that, it's just kindof like I I don't think of
myself as a certain uh, with acertain confidence, you know, so
(39:56):
that that would be me tellingmyself, man, I can't get nobody.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
That's up there you know I can't reach that tier.
You know like yes, I can, orthat that's how I feel, so yeah,
man, and so is there a thingyou're waiting on to find?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
like it seems like you're not in search of that
right person is there?
Is there a stage in your lifeto where, like hey, I probably,
or is it you think it's justgonna be when, whenever god I
mean that's the easy way to sayis like whenever god chooses, or
you think it's just going tohappen when it's supposed to?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
type of feeling I anytime, I anytime I got with
someone.
They came out of nowhere, sothat wasn't me like saying hello
or there's a girl across thestreet.
I was like damn, she's pretty,you know, looks like it would be
(40:52):
my type.
It's never them, ever.
It's usually out of nowhere.
Something happens that likeit's just this kind of
supernatural feeling, like thisis going too good, like you just
came out of nowhere.
We both connected on a majorlevel, so I don't believe I mean
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this is I'm not like 70 yearsold, so I have a lot of life to
live, um, but I just don't thinkit's going to be with me
looking for it, something real.
I don't think it's going to be.
It's going to pop up like that,so I'm not actively looking for
anybody really so if aconnection comes up, man cool,
(41:40):
I'll just, you know, have aconversation and see, see where
it goes.
Usually it doesn't really goanywhere.
It usually is like this sort ofprocess of hi, we might fancy
each other a little bit and itjust fades.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah.
Do you think they can tell thatyou don't you desire?
Well, I think, because I'veasked this girl before you know.
It was at one of the bars Ifrequented at the time and you
know and it was like she likedme, right, that was good looking
, but she also thought I was atype of person like I ain't
(42:24):
gonna take you serious, you knowI can just do as I please she
thought you would like that yeahlike because I got pretty eyes,
I mean it's I'm only it's onlya couple, a couple minutes.
You know I only got so much asthe end of the night and you
know we're striking conversation, so you're just like, oh, you
think you can just get my numberand yada, yada.
Do you think that's how itcould be?
For you?
It's like, hey, yeah, and whytake you serious when you don't
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really want me for real?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
maybe, maybe I've seen that before I think like
race so silly and the followersgot a lot to do with that um,
which I've seen from.
It depends on who you'retalking to too, because, like
again, let's be real, if agirl's pretty, she getting he
fucking.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
DMs in general, from everybody.
So it's really her choosing.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But I've seen that before sometimes where yeah like
kind of guarded a little bitfrom a woman.
That hasn't happened too manytimes because I'm not actively
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trying to make girls like mygirlfriends, like that.
But I have seen women kind ofsecond-guess certain things with
me and I think a lot of it hassomething to do with race so
silly certain things with me,and I think a lot of it has
something to do with race, sosilly uh me being in a public
relationship and they can seethe shit like like scroll and
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see who I've been dating andthen you know, um, so you so I
mean I.
So my first question is if youuse the dead again, it's going
to be private, I don't know,okay, I don't know, because I
like, I love who I love, so,like, I just want to feel secure
(44:25):
with my person.
I don't know, I'm 50-50 on that, because the relationship that
I, that I, was in, that waspublic, you know, it got all the
way to the point of us beingengaged and that was posted uh
places or whatever, to the pointwhere if I do start to talk to
anyone, that's somewhere in theinitial conversation if we start
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liking each other.
And I don't like that, it'sjust like.
You know, I'd rather come tothe table and be like yeah, you
know, uh, this is how theprevious relationship went, but
that shit is on display and it'salmost like it's attached to me
in a way, not as much as it wasbefore, but it's there.
You, you know whether I deletewhatever on my page, that shit
(45:11):
is out there.
So that is just something that.
I just that is just somethingthat I always keep in mind.
You know, I don't really likeI'm not the guy.
Just because I like you I'mgoing to post you, just because
I've been in another situationwhere it was just Rocky all the
(45:35):
time and I could tell shestarted to second guess like why
I'm not posting her.
But in reality, like therelationship went exactly how I
thought it was going to go andwe didn't last long.
So I'm 50-50 with it.
I've just seen ups and downs ofyou know, experiencing love
(45:57):
when it's real, like on aplatform, because usually that
outlasts the actual relationship.
Yeah, it's a lot ofconversations after that shit
trying to talk to somebody.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Aren't you engaged?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Aren't you engaged?
They couldn't wait to ask methat question.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
You still get that, though, mm-mm.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
No, but somebody.
This is just a friend, butthere was somebody that
questioned that though they hadlooked it up and it was just
like I guess they just looked upmy name and that shit popped up
.
I don't even know where thisstuff is, because I haven't seen
it in years, but it's attached.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's attached, so it's a 50-50 yeah, that seems
like a turn off to have a publicrelationship yes, but again,
like when it's good, everythingis good, it's like.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It's like an outpouring of love, in a way
it's the opposite side.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You have your own profile, my own profile and
that's us individually.
Yeah, like that's.
So just a way to make it easyyeah, yeah, oh man yeah, yeah,
I'll be liking like little cuteshit, like we.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
We walking up the street and both of our shoes are
right there.
You know telling the story,yeah, I'd be like.
I'd be liking a little shitlike that.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I mean, that's cool, I can like yeah, I like it too
it's not like I dislike it orlike like I growl at the sight
of it.
Yeah, but at the end of the day, is it all worth it if
everybody gets to see us, if, ifour ultimate fall off?
You know what I mean.
And now you get it.
Now I just don't like that.
Like hey, how was yada yada?
(47:42):
You know what I mean.
And like I got to do that for along time with individual
person.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I got to explain it to people I don't need to
explain it to Right.
Yeah, worth it.
For what?
Yeah, that didn't get me anextra bag.
Yeah, probably could have it,maybe, but yeah, and maybe it
could have lasted longer if itdid, you know, but no, I think
that it's just easier to keepthings private yeah, I have a
(48:13):
relationship, I'm all right, I'min a relationship and then I
just, you know, we just have ourseparate pages.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I'm sure that affectsthe relationship to a certain
degree, but if that's the thingsyou love, then, like, I tell
you, I'm not your guy.
Yeah, yeah, and that's justkind of how it is.
(48:35):
Ultimately, if you can't dowithout that, then I'm not your
person.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
And that's just how it is.
Yeah, it can be a thing.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It definitely can.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Not to say that I ever won't, but I'm just saying
Like to the degree of what y'allhad.
It's like, yeah, that's a lot,but we was locked in at that
point.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We talking about years, and that's usually what
happens with people who haverelationships that are online
usually.
That they show it.
They've been locked in for along ass time.
And yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I remember we weretogether for a long time before
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we ever started posting.
Yeah, yeah, I remember we weretogether for a long time before
we ever started posting.
Yeah, and then it was overafter we made the joint page
Trying to, like I said, get toanother bag.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's why I say it's possible.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I see people doing it .
Speaker 1 (49:33):
They be killing that shit, they be making a hell of
money, yeah, yeah, and it canwork for them, or it cannot.
You know, it just all depends.
I think that it that's a goodway to make it, make it work.
We all have something that youdesire together, like if you
have your own business togetherand build it up and want to see
it grow.
That's a, that's another typeof baby of your own.
(49:56):
You see the fruits of it, yousee the seeds.
You're both passionate, andwhen it does well, when it does
poorly yeah, yeah then that'sprobably yeah, then those
relationships may not last long.
Yeah, those are all the but.
All the great things when itdoes well, so you see them.
When they're making the killing, it does well but.
If it falls off.
It goes off.
(50:17):
They're arguing aboutdisagreeing about the page, and
then you can tear them apart too.
So you have those.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, so you have both sides of it yeah, I don't
think I'm ever gonna do thatagain.
The uh um, the uh uh, what's itcalled?
The joint page thing the rayand whoever like ray and stay,
(50:43):
ray and stay I don't think so.
It has nothing to do with theprevious uh relationship.
She was great.
Like when it came to that wholething, I just I'd be feeling
fake after a certain point.
It's like I just want, I justwant this relationship to be a
relationship Like.
(51:03):
You know, I'm cool with doing afew TikToks here and there, you
know.
But like when it became therelationship, then it's just
like.
It just feels fake, like Igotta hype myself up and we're
just driving to Walmart like to,to, to look better on the blog,
the vlog or whatever.
(51:25):
That shit was exhausting for me.
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I'm going to do that again.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't see that happening.
Could you do that Like a jointpage and let's make funny skits
all the time?
Speaker 1 (51:38):
No, for what?
I'm never in that ever goodmood, like let's be real, yeah,
I'm never happy enough to dothat, why no, I'm just saying
like that's a once in a I don't.
Well, I guess I'm saying thewrong thing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That's not me yeah.
So, I'm doing something that'snot me.
Uh, yeah, yeah, so I.
So when you put the phone in myface, I turn down, I shut off
yeah yeah, I go into, you knowmy inner kid, like, like my,
like myself and my shyness.
I don't like to be confrontedon the camera.
That's just not who I am.
(52:19):
That's not how it works for me.
Yeah, um, so, yeah, so so theanswer is no but, so I was
saying it wrong.
It's not like, uh, like I'm justmad all the time.
You just gotta catch me on theright day.
I just don't really not thatphotogenic enough to do that
like even even now.
This is easier because this isa conversation that we can have
(52:40):
and it gets public public wide.
Now, if I have to do a thing forthe cameras, it's something
different yeah yeah, like I cancommentate on something and the
cameras be on, and that's whatI'm.
I'm talking about the thing,but if I have to entertain for
the camera, it's, it's maybe alittle bit different.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
So I was like hey, I gotta perk up and do this thing.
That it's not me, no I I likehaving conversations I like
talking about sports.
I like talking aboutrelationship.
I'm curious about the otherindividual now we can have
entertainment in that, amongsteach other and the camera.
So beyond during then, butdoing another thing and maybe
and I don't want to just closemyself off on it entirely um,
(53:25):
but it has to be a mission.
This can't be just like I wantto see it, like I want to be,
like, hey, I have a goal I wantto get to and this is a means to
the to the goal.
Like, hey, if you're like, hey,I want you to do this thing for
me, like I want you to be apart of this movie, or I'm just
all right yeah okay, I'll dothat thing for you and let's
practice for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(53:45):
But if you're just throwinglike hey, let's do this one,
let's cook and have us do it,together on the camera like no
there's no purpose for itbecause you have no goal around
it.
There's no business plan,there's no model.
Yeah, you gotta show me towhere it makes sense yeah, so
you don't like having fun?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I mean that if that's what you call having fun, then
then the random ass tick tocksthis that's fun for a lot of
people.
Um yeah, usually women lovedoing that with their, their
significant other.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, but I meanthat's but everybody ain't like
(54:27):
that.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, and, like I said, if that's something that
you it's a must have for you,then by all means that's the
place you probably need to beand that's fine.
I can live in that place and belike you know what, hey, she
wants.
She has different desires thanI do.
Then you find where you'rehappy.
I won't be resentful of that.
(54:49):
What I do become resentful ofis that you find that place and
keep me here and you never giveme the option to search, for
example, like a cheater, andyou'd never give me the option
to search.
You know what I mean.
So, for example, um, he's like,hey, like a cheater, a person
who, well, I don't have todefine a cheater, but I will for
(55:11):
the so a person who is goingbehind your back and having
relationships with somebody else.
Yeah, and you're doing theright things and being faithful.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
And you know you're staying at home, you know you're
making sure everything's done,bills are being paid, yada, yada
, mm-hmm, and then they're justdoing whatever they want and
lying to you about it.
Now that's how I'll be very madand very resentful.
Yeah, I'd rather you say, hey,I want to have a relationship
(55:46):
with somebody else and you cando that too, and we can maybe
try to find us this together, orwe separate, like.
I don't like to not have theoption, and that's why I was
talking about wasting your timeis because I don't want that to.
You know, like, and that's whyI was talking about wasting your
time Is because I don't wantthat to.
You know, like, dang, you wasout Dating while I was here Like
(56:06):
dude.
I could have been doing thattoo.
Oh, yeah, so it's more about, Iguess, fairness and equal.
Yeah, I just want to be treatedfair.
I just want to be not lied toand not being, you know, doing
things behind my back and I haveno idea what's going on and I'm
thinking you're a honey.
(56:27):
But you could have did thiswhole thing and told me, and I
would have respected you for it.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
And just been straight up with you.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, exactly, just keep it a honey.
If that's what you want to beon, then I can either like it or
not.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
I'm not going to be mad.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
I will not be mad at you for presenting this to me
they, um, and that's what youmeant uh, uh, uh loosely about
like the tiktoks, like just tellme that you be on this shit oh
well, that's going to be a takeher to leave it.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Situation like I mean I, I'm, I'm understanding, I'm
real, I'm like I know what'sgoing on.
I know that people enjoy thesocial media lifestyle, uh-huh.
So I get it.
You know you, you see otherpeople's relationships online
majority of people on socialmedia, definitely our age as
well and all and you're watchingthat constantly.
(57:19):
That becomes desirable.
That's what you want.
That's content and I can seewhy you can love it and I can
see how you can compare yourrelationships to your own right.
So it's not like that's foreignto me, like I never thought
that a day in my life.
I get it totally, but I'll butkeep in mind that that's not a
(57:40):
relationship and how that reallyshould be how it is.
Yeah, like, for example, the80-year-old couples that didn't
have social media they love eachother to death.
Yeah, who cares?
Like, yeah, my mom doesn't posther husband every day and they
cooking and eating with eachother yeah, doesn't matter,
(58:02):
right?
Yeah, yeah, her husband everyday and they cooking and eating
with each other?
Yeah, doesn't matter, you'reright.
Yeah, yeah, my, my, my mentor'suh, wife doesn't even have
social media.
She's 50 something years oldthey in a strong structural
relationship.
Just so I know the things thatactually do matter.
That is just.
That's just like you.
You know that's like Louis V.
(58:23):
It's like, at the end of theday, it's just a bag.
It doesn't mean that much, butit makes you feel good for
having it.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, a bag.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's what I'm just saying.
It's just a bag, yeah, yeah,but it makes you feel good when
you have it.
But at the end of the day,that's not who you are as a
person, you're not a leader.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's just like hey, this makes me feel good at times
, but this is not myrelationship.
But, by all means, if you liketo post, I'm not going to be
like get out of social media,but don't expect me to do that
with with in terms of me havingmy own page and me post you and
things like that.
Now there's a video.
You want to do a time or twoand take a picture together?
(59:06):
I'm I'm totally with that.
I'm understanding.
But to make that who who I amnow is, you're not going to get
that.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
I get that I get that , yeah, yeah.
When it's in excess, and I'msaying all this and I come out
with a video every day, it'sjust like that's my pocket, but
it can just get super excessive.
It's only excessive becauseit's just not me for real.
So I completely get that, whichis why I never leaned um, I, I
(59:40):
never leaned into twitch because, like, my personality checks
out like after a certain timeand you got to be streaming all
day and night like I don't knowhow they do that.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
So do you think that, um say, if somebody offers you
a million dollars?
I'm doing it.
I'll figure it out.
No, no, yeah, no.
A billion dollars to beexecutive producer um for um
paramount, and so that requiresyou to be behind the scenes.
Do you think that you wouldstill do social media because
(01:00:10):
you love it?
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
yeah, okay, yeah, I can't stop okay doing um
creating, okay, because I is butyou're creating it with with
paramount yeah, but it's notsteve okay it is your executive
producer, this is your creation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Well, you're just not .
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I'm just saying would you cut out being front-facing
and be fine having you knowletting race, so silly, go to
the wastelands no okay okay I'min too deep at this point, okay,
so I yeah, it would have toeither be some type of
transition, but I do feel likeme, my being, my charisma, how I
speak, the jokes that I say,it's like meant for me to say
(01:00:52):
these things I can't write thatfor somebody else but you're
also you're getting generationalmoney with another company and
you don't need Rachel Sill.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
And the reason why I'm asking that question is
because, uh, braxton Taylor wason um the worrying mall podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Did you hear that how he is okay with not being an
artist anymore?
Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah, exactly His heart ain't in it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, yeah, he'd been saying that shit for years.
Yeah, nah, but my heart is init.
It's like money's cool.
That aspect of taking care offamily and all that shit would
definitely be the first thingthat I think about.
However, it's literally a partof my happiness to create and
(01:01:47):
release something like with mein it, like these thoughts that
are in my head, the jokes andall this stuff, like it's just
not the same type of life for meif I'm not doing it, if I'm not
, if I'm not using what was liketotally given to me, which is a
, which is myself in a way.
So I just seen, I just seen um,me doing it and me being uh,
(01:02:09):
when I had that job and I waslike doing well and I wasn't
doing that, it felt like a partof me was just missing, yeah,
and that that had a part of me,of my downfall, of of losing
myself.
I felt like if I kept that up Iwould have been happier.
But you know, life is going tolife in general, so you have to
(01:02:33):
do certain things that likegenuinely make you happy.
It's not about the money, youknow.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I got you, I got you.
I think we did it.
Well, this is Two for theCulture, and I'm Stephen Ray,
justin Devante, and we'll beback, alright, yes, sir.
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