Diddy Trial, Torey Lanez Prison Attack and Much More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are back for another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante, I'm StephenRay and we are back for another
episode.
What's going on, man, how youbeen?
What's going on?
I feel alive.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
You do.
Yeah, I feel alive man.
Why's that I finally got tostep outside.
Yeah, this is wow.
This is how people live.
That's crazy.
You know, I'm really yeah it.
It adds some level of energy tomy life, so I'm really really
excited about that okay, sowhat's been going on?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
uh, what you've been doing I went every.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a whole list.
I went crazy um, where did I go?
I went to first place I went.
Was Jeff no, it's not, I don'tsaid Jeff Bezos Jeff Ruby's,
jeff Ruby's steakhouse today no,that was the first place I went

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.
I went to frothy monkey acouple times.
That's like a nice coffee spot.
Uh, I went to see sinners.
Um, I like that movie.
I did.
I'm gonna go see wednesday.
Yeah, for sure, I'm definitely,I'm definitely gonna join on
that it was.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh, we'll come back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
But um, where else did I go?
I went to, uh, this placecalled bloom.
You know what that is.
I've never heard it's bloom atsome thompson hotel.
At the top it's a rooftop bar.
I went there.
I went to a speakeasy.
I went to skulls.

(01:35):
I went to, I think, anotherspeakeasy.
I got chopped, got my hair off.
It's crazy new chop.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, you look like a rayford mcmurray rayford
mcmurray.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Who is that?
No, no, I'm just saying, oh, Idon't be watching basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So I was like, oh you know, because you go by ray, so
I was like rayford, yeah, yeahum yeah, went to see kaya um and
took her to a couple places.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
We went to this jumping places I'm jumping place
for kids.
This arcade place.
She beat me every time atskeeball like I'm trying to win.
How old is she now?
Um eight okay yeah, and she'sleft-handed, so I kind of like
felt a little better I don'tknow, I've always heard and seen
left-handed people just do shitbetter okay than other people,

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but um, she kept winning.
I was really trying, uh, yeahdamn yeah, I had to throw in the
basketball game just to likefeel better.
But um, yeah, went there, thejumper plays, then bought her
some toys or whatever fromwalmart and uh, yeah, just been
outside and she has a play orwhatever, oh, yeah, she got a

(02:48):
play on friday, okay, and she'sin peter pan.
She's a mermaid oh okay, Ididn't okay yeah, yep, yep, yep,
so that's gonna be cool.
She said she's really nervous.
Um, you know, yeah, I'll callher a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
How many lines is that?
It's a moment.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
She keeps I mean she keeps saying she doesn't know
Like I don't want to scare her.
Well, yeah, yeah, I feel likeshe's nervous, yeah.
Anytime I bring it up, she'slike I don't know, I'm really
nervous.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And then I'm like something that you gotta like.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You gotta do it first and then you build your
confidence or it scars you forthe rest of your life or scars
you for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
And my dad was there too, as he should be.
But like the and yeah, yeah,those plays is like.
I hope she's practicing.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm sure they're rehearsing and everything yeah,
it sounds like it's not thatmany lines Was you in plays?
I was, yeah, I was in smallstuff, like that.
I was in small stuff, Iremember, and I was in a choir

(04:07):
okay and I was.
I was in something to where youlike the exactly I was one of
the kids on his telephone out ofmany.
Yeah, I was in a.
I was a.
Yeah, I was in a couple things,not necessarily a play with a
line, but the only time that Iremember being on stage like

(04:28):
that was those type of thingsand a spelling bee that I almost
won.
Okay, well, I mean I was fourth.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, so I could have been top three.
Yeah, but it's Memphis.
No way, no, but it's Memphis.
It's Memphis, right, right,right, yeah, yeah, yeah, memphis
, right, right, right.
I'm really shit out of luckthen, no, shout out Memphis.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Nah, I'm just joking, that's too funny.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Public school P.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Nah, that was too funny.
Have you ever been in a play?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, nothing like one word liners yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I think that's what's up yeah yeah, that was never my
thing, Never nothing I wasinterested in.
I never wanted the attention tobe focused on me to do anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean, it's not usually what I guess it is
when you're up there.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, like I'm just saying to want to do it, yeah, I
don't think I did either inthat time frame?
no, that shit is scary yeah, Ionly do stuff like that if it's
like when I'm called upon likehey bro we don't got nobody.
We need you.
We have a week.
You know what I mean andthey're like, I'll do it yeah

(05:43):
yeah, yeah, yeah, but otherwise,you know, I'll play.
They're like I'll do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, butotherwise I, you know I'll play
a cis man.
I'll be the the, the person whoaims the light you know what?
I mean yeah, yeah yeah, I'll bethe cast, the sweet crew uh-huh,
yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Um, that's, that's kind of how I never, I never.
I was always scared, I alwayshad stage fright like always.
I don't know if it ever endedreally well yeah I don't think
it ever ended.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, yeah, and you know I've since got somewhat
better in my post-week andthat's just because I have to do
it so much.
So you know, as long as I kindof know prepare, just like
somewhat prepared to to kind ofdo it, then I'm good, like even
when our boy jalen, and when hegot married.
You know, just speaking infront of you know, I was like I

(06:33):
have.
When, um, before it happened, Iwas like I'm pretty sure you
know that one of the groomsmenbest man's gonna have to speak
in, so let me have somethingmentally prepared, like
something I know where I'm goingwith it.
Not that I have this totallything splashed out.
I was like, oh, let me at leastspeak on this moment.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Because what was tough about it was particularly
his was.
I didn't spend much time to thebride now his wife, so it was
like, okay, I what story can Itell?
But that has them both tied toit.
And then I brought up a momentto where I I saw him pray for

(07:18):
the first time and it was withher over the phone yeah so yeah,
yeah, and so I was like.
So I made like it's always goingto be something funny and it's
like I put myself down moment,because I try to sound humble.
I think I do sometimes, butsometimes I can be a no-doll and
be arrogant.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But, um, but yeah yeah, yeah, for sure, I don't
remember.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't remember you being like that, but okay, okay,
yeah, yeah, but it depends onwho you ask, so I try to at
least acknowledge it yeah um,but yeah, yeah.
So I was like, you know, it wasthis girl that was her friend,
that she was trying to kind ofput me on to, and I and I told
the joke.
I was like, and I and I said atthe moment I was like hey,
jaylen is the person who alwaysgot it.

(07:59):
I had to tell you know,somebody we that I talked to
like hey, let her know that Idon't got it like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they kind of lightenup the crowd and then I was like
, yeah, and I was like Ihighlighted him and then I was
like for her, when I, you know,I knew there was one because
when I've seen I walked in hisroom trying to play the game and

(08:20):
then I see him, I walked intohim praying I've never seen
jaylen pray and I was like tohave somebody to completely
match what he brings.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's more than you know what a friend could ever
ask for yeah yeah, yeah, and itwas like a moment, you know yeah
, yeah, so that, um uh, have youever uh uh prayed over or with
anyone?
Uh, yeah, yeah for.
So it's just like a moment,just like walk me through it.

(08:50):
What did you say?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
You talking about like in a relationship?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, like in a relationship, you know what?
Let's just like how did it gowe?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
say a prayer at night .
Yeah, so I will.
Not that I'm like the bestprayer person, but it will be
just like sorry.
I'm getting tangled up, so it'sjust like, whatever the
situation you know, pray for usand our relationship.
Help us continue to growstronger.

(09:21):
Like dear Heavenly Father,please be with us in our
relationship.
Help us continue to grow um.
Like dear heavenly father,please be with us around
relationship.
Help us continue to grow,continue to understand each
other and then we'll just gointo the uh prayer of our
friends, our family, yeah, yeah,any, any particular person we
have on our mind, like, hey,pray for this person and their
relationship as they're going toa tough battle at the time.

(09:42):
And then you'll be like, okay,and then you'll.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Then you'll say amen yeah, I think, I think that, uh,
unfortunately from for for sometime, uh, when I, when I look
back on that type of stuff inrelationship, it ties into that
stage fright thing.
I mean I, I've, I've eventually, well, I would have to get over
that as I progress.

(10:05):
But just thinking about it,that shit did it felt the same.
It felt like I'm in front of100 people and I got to lead
this thing.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Not stumbling over it , but that is a part of one One.
I did that too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So don't get it wrong.
You're going to do that becauseyou're going to, you're saying
prayers, so it's freestyling.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
That's like you said yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, that's like you said.
Hey, I make the best freestyleevery time I get on the mic.
That's just impossible.
You're going to stumble overyourself.
Even when you hear the j colefreestyles.
He's a hip hop, you know,elitist yeah, but he'll stumble
over his words.
Yeah, and they are f.

(10:56):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, so you're gonna like andum yeah yeah, you're gonna have
those moments.
I did it that a million times.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
The only time I remember thinking about it like
that was like in front of, liketheir family and then, they'll
kick it off to me, clearly atest, but like like at a, a
dinner or a brunch or whatever,and then, um, that would happen
like one out of 15 times I wasaround.
But you know, when it did I waslike, oh shit, I'm up yeah,

(11:29):
yeah, and those.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
It depends on situation, but it's once you
start praying, it's just thego-to, it's like for
thanksgiving.
You know you're like dear, dearlord, thank you for allowing us
to come together, to, for us toum, have a family meal.
You for allowing us to get heresafely.
Please bless your hands andprepare it, please be with us as
we leave and depart, and thenyou have your whole thing

(11:53):
Exactly.
Say the generic thing Pray thehands, pray over us, be God us.
It's kind of the same things Isay when I do.
When I close out on our uh,let's, uh, our lessons, I
literally probably say I say thesame thing verbatim, like I'm

(12:14):
like thank you for allowing this, have another lesson, thank you
for allowing us to cometogether.
Please be with us as we goabout the worship service.
Let me please accept your sight, jesus name, I do pray, amen.
I've said that literally everysingle time, like why switch it
up?
That's exactly what it is.
Thank you for allowing this.
Have a beautiful lesson.
Please lead us as we go.
It's literally the same thing.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, I should have some go.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I actually do.
It's like when I open up mymouth and then I'll talk.
I just said that because I justremembered being at those
instances, not necessarily withjust me and her or whoever it is
, but just more so like thosethose small moments where, like,
I'm in front of the family andthen it's kind of like, oh, all
right, all right, and then youknow, yeah, yeah, I think they

(13:00):
respect you.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You get more respect when it's fluid, but at the same
time, I think they respect youwhen the attempt is there oh,
yeah, yeah, no of course thatdoesn't help.
I mean you're gonna be nervous.
It's a little nerve-wracking.
You're in front of everybodyand you're trying to make a good
impression yeah, and definitely, if it's not a thing that you
do, I yeah, I didn't fail, Ididn't it's not like I ain't

(13:22):
been to church ever or, you know, like been around a religious
family, but yeah, no, that wasjust a moment that I remember
that I realized.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So how you feel about the fasting?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, is itgetting easier or like well,
just explain, like what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, intermittent fasting, intermittent fasting.
So I've been fasting for likethree or four days now, mm-hmm,
so I'm an 18-hour fast, so it'spretty much water-based is what
I'm drinking.
And then you know I'll drinklike carbonated water, which I
make sure I check in with JatchiVT and make sure that's still a

(14:04):
part of fasting.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Because you never know what blocks a little things
.
Yeah, I had like honey in mywater.
Yeah, fuck, I didn't know.
I looked it up exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So I'm even not scared about doing like heroin
definitely that, and with a partof the past but like chicken
broth and doing my mushroom ummix with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I have like chicken broththat I'll make in the morning
sometimes and I put a mushroompowder in it, and then I'll put,

(14:36):
uh, this collagen mix in thereand I like I don't know if this
will break it type of thing.
I probably should look that uptoo.
It's definitely breaking it,yeah, but yeah, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, it's not bad at all that I.
I did that to break my sevenday fast oh, okay yeah, you
gotta like do it easy.
I will say that I didn't bringup.
The day after the day after myseven day fast, I did have some
beans and, again, like I'm noteating anything for seven days,

(15:11):
my heart was beating hard asfuck when I was eating them
beans.
Was you that hungry?
No, it was like it was weird.
It was like it was really weird, bro.
It's's like you know how, like,if you run and that shit like it
wasn't fast, it was slow, butlike still that hard and I was

(15:34):
just like yo, like that shit waslike you can't even do nothing,
you're just sitting there yeahyeah, that was, that was.
I will say that, but I thinkthat I should have broken it a
little bit more slowly.
I'm going to break it a littlebit more slowly next time.
Yeah.
I think I was just reallyexcited and I saw videos of
niggas jumping straight intofull course big ass meals.

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After that happened to me, I'mreally going to chill a second.
Also, randomly, today I wasscrolling and there was a guy.
There was a guy who did athree-day fast and he, uh, he
passed out in hobby lobby.
So, okay, yeah, maybe we shouldall like be very, very aware of

(16:18):
how we're doing these thingsyeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean,
everybody's circumstances aregonna be different yeah, no, I
think he just hopped straight inlike what you're doing is a
good way to lead into that, ifyou wanted to go that route,
because now your body would justbe used to not eating for a
while I've only fasted for likeum, like a true fast, like just

(16:41):
water, and maybe I wouldn't evensay two days, I would say a day
or so.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's actually
extremely tough.
Seven days, you never got closeI think it just builds up yeah,
like not eating.
I've did that for a couple daysfor real, but not like a true
like water break.
I'm sure the way I did my fast,uh, with not eating, was, um,

(17:07):
definitely not the right way,but it just wasn't having food,
so I so I have to have that, butnot just like a straight water.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Fast is extremely tough I mean, yeah, I don't know
, it is and it is not yeah, it'snot like working out it's like
it's, it's kind of, I think thethe word is what relative?
Yeah, right, yeah it's just um,it depends on which state
you're in, so it's like whatyou're like.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I said literally what you're doing right now can't
gear you up to do that shit forthree days right, and I also see
the the difference like howmuch I'm able to eat, like even
we at Winter Jack's Barbecue hadthe beef brisket plate and even
then I was content off of thatfor a while and normally I could

(17:59):
go back into eating anothermeal within a couple hours, like
I could tell that one wouldhave satisfied me for the rest
of the day yeah, yeah, your bodybuilds a new habit.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, exactly, that's .
That's cool, that's what's up.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So it's definitely, it's definitely working yeah, so
I just need to um, because theeasiest part is going.
Once I wake up in the morning,I'm good.
So it's not like I'm starving,it's like going into the night
and not eating you're like yeah,because I'm working late
sometimes, so like I'm temptedto eat at one in the morning,

(18:36):
but then once I sleep on it andwake up, I'm totally fine yeah,
that is a.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Thing it's that habit shit that's, that's the main
thing that made me realize that,like when you're saying like
nothing, like that's super hard,and that I was saying that a
year ago my I was uh when, whenI used to have talks with uh my
homie ken about it and he knewpeople that you know fasted for
seven days, fast faster for 30days I'm like that's your

(19:01):
superhero.
There's no possible way thatthat's possible, because I did
it for a day, I did it for a dayand a half and I'm like this is
crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
This is fucking wild.
30 days is a very long time.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but it's like I
remember feeling like that.
I remember my body feeling likeare you stupid, are you dumb,
you know?
And when I was here, when I washere and I got to, I got to two
days and a half and it feltlike.
It felt like my chest wascaving in when I wanted to take
a nap or go to sleep, I'm done.

(19:37):
And then I was fucking done.
And then later on that wasdoing seven days.
I don't know, it's relative.
I feel like it's just the samething with anything else.
You just like you build yourbody up to it, but you literally
cannot.
It's like your body isliterally what you do with it.
So if you eat, all the timeit's going to crave that shit.

(19:58):
All the time it's going tocrave sugar sweets, whatever
sugar sweets, whatever coffee ata certain amount of time.
Yeah, so caffeine.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Did you hear what just happened to Tory Lanez?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, what happened to him?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
This nigga got stabbed 14 times.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Not kidding.
Like who do you piss on Today,I don't know.
But yeah, it said like seventimes in the back, I think four
times in the front, Twice in thehead, Damn One in the face.
What?
Okay, did that happen Huh,seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12,

(20:42):
13, 14.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Okay, yeah, that's a lot.
No, I didn't hear about that atall.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, and he's like I think he's on a breathing
machine right now.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Oh wow, yeah, that's insane, that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but theydon't have any details of what
happened, besides him gettingstabbed, of course.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I think there was one post, maybe like eight hours
ago sometime this morning, saidthat he was maybe like
hospitalized or something.
And then, right before westarted recording, maybe like 20
minutes before, a post went outon his page saying all of that.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh, wow, that's pray for him.
Yeah, yeah, that's a specialprayer for him in this situation
.
Pray for him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's aspecial prayer for him in this
situation.
Yeah, because I mean, you know,you know I I was always leaning
on the side that he did do that.
Yeah, so you know, and I'vealways I've mentioned that you

(21:38):
know he's had anger managementissues and we was always going
back and forth on the oldpodcast about it and I was like
I said, if I was his um lawyeror you know somebody who was on
his team, I would have told himtake the plea deal, and he would
have been out by now.
He just wouldn't be able tocome back.
He'll be just deported incanada.
I was like, bruh, the us is notthat lit for you.

(22:00):
That's like take the plea deal,don't take your chances, you
won.
You know what I I mean.
So go ahead and plea out onthis.
He didn't do that.
Now he's there for a long time.
So it's unfortunate that ofcourse, I don't think he
deserved this.
So, yeah, that's a lot, butit's also it's prison.

(22:21):
So that's a part of what comesto territory, no know, so that's
a part of what comes toterritory, no pun, if that's a
pun.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Territory, I don't know, tori, yeah yeah yeah, not
really, I was searching for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
No pun, okay, fine, yeah, yeah, yeah so, but yeah,
yeah, yeah, nope, okay, you'refine.
Yeah, yeah so, but yeah, so,it's so, that's I'm.
He's one of the most talentedmusicians Of our generation.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
No question about it.
I wanted to see him free.
I did not want him to go tojail, but I just believe he did
it.
I just wanted him to get thehelp, to get anger management.
Now I don't know if he'sgetting the help In the prisons
or when he's third or whatever.
What happened in the wholesituation, I don't know.
But that, I mean, is itshocking?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I would think I mean, yeah, I guess yeah, yeah, but
also the situation I, I don't, Ihaven't heard.
There's no way to tell fullyeverything that's going on in
the pods.
Um, you know, there's, there's.
There's no way to fully tellabout all that, but I, I guess,

(23:35):
um, the only information that Ihave gotten is literally from
him, only from what's happeningin there and clearly, of course,
is him helping out a bunch ofpeople.
That's in, I guess, thatspecific part, yeah, so, uh, in
many ways, and I think maybegetting some people out of jail

(23:55):
or like helping them with theirsentences and a lot of good
things.
So, um, and again, that'sclearly one-sided information.
I don't know what these, what'shappening in there with the
other stuff.
So for me it was just like oh,I thought like niggas in there
loved him, oh, or at least waslike.

(24:17):
You know, even if I did havesome type of beat, this can
probably get me out of here.
Oh, that's what you're saying.
So, yeah, so for me it was justlike oh, they're trying to kill
your ass.
Uh, oh, you think it's thesystem oh no, I don't know what
it is.
I'm just saying like it wasjust.
It was just very shocking to mebecause I would think that, no
matter how mad I am at this dude, if he's basically one of the

(24:42):
only chances I got to either getout of my sentence is knocked
off or like whatever.
Again, it's like for the mostpart it's not everybody that's
in there.
But it just, it just kind ofthrew me off because that was
the the only narrative that Iwas getting from.
I see, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
You know I don't mean Well, so my dad went to prison,
right?
So, I have a different view ofhow things go.
Yeah, and my dad he tells me,he told me stories and people
just they ain't right mentally.
Yeah.
Like he told me about a time towhere he was playing space or

(25:26):
whatever.
And then, dude, this soundslike some crazy wild shit.
A guy threw another man off thesecond or third floor of the
balcony or not the balcony ofthe level and then he jumped
down on his head and squashedhis head like a melon and

(25:49):
splatter went out all over theplace so he threw him off and
then jumped on his head andsquished his head like a melon.
How did?

Speaker 2 (26:04):
he perfectly land on his head.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
That's what I'm saying.
That's what it says yeah, yeah,and then.
So my dad, you know, of course,it ruined the card game that's
the main thing he remembers.
Yeah, yeah, we had to yeah, yeah, but what he was, what he said,
is like he didn't need to beout there with everybody else
anyway.
He wasn't right in the head.

(26:26):
Uh-huh, that's what.
So my dad told about the dudelike, and then you like they put
him in there.
You ain't never saw him again.
So those are the things likepeople literally just ain't
mentally right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, people can love you,but a lot of people ain't right
in there to think like logically, like hey, tori is a, it's a

(26:47):
somebody I can use to help meget out of prison.
Some people just like justdon't think white.
Yeah, we, they don't criticallythink like we do which is
sometimes really shocking,because I'll be here, I'll be
hearing things to where I havefamily members like I never
thought of that and I'm likethat was like the most simple
thing.

(27:07):
Like, yeah, you never thoughtof that.
Yeah, so so it's like somepeople just not really
critically thinking in that way.
And not only that.
People are very prideful too.
So relying on another man tohelp you is a prideful act,
absolutely.
I mean, like you got to be veryhumble to do that.
That's very tough for me to do.
Facts, yeah, yeah.

(27:28):
So you have that aspect of ittoo.
And then not only that, I don'tI don't look at tory lanez as a
martin luther king.
Yeah, yeah, king, yeah.
So for him to do him things,yeah, that is very noble and I'm
happy that he's able to do that.
But that's also very much a PRstunt and and it's a good person

(27:51):
.
I don't want to diminish that,but it's a good person thing.
If I had the money, I'm sure wewould all lend towards that.
Like, hey, bro you out here,justly, if I got $5,000 and I
can spend it towards you to getout of here yeah.
And also, if that's a PR stunt,I'm cool with it.
I'll let you have that, becausethat's still a noble thing.
So I sound like I'm doodling onit when, I should.

(28:14):
Yeah, but since I've seen thisother side, since we had a lot
of debates on trey lanes,there's so many times to where
I've seen him do things thatjust wasn't helpful, like when
he had punched august alcina inthe face and his court case was
coming up.
Yeah, yeah, and I was like thatcould be the dumbest.

(28:39):
You're on a on trial for um,like a spur of the moment type
of thing, and then you're ontrial, knowing what this means,
and you do this at that timeliterally shows that you are
very highly reactive tosituations, because just because
he did not shake your hand, youpunch him in the face when

(29:02):
you're about to head to trial.
That's absolutely insane.
You just did a violent act inshowing you have a history of
violence and so you added on tothat.
So there's no telling If henever got the help.
There's no telling what couldhave happened then.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, I can see what you're saying.
Yeah, that timing definitelywas a little off for sure, and
it was a lot of things that wascoming out.
That was a little off for sure.
I still don't know fully, ofcourse.
We wasn't there.
Yeah, but all we get to hear ishe didn't shake his hand.
I feel like there was more toit than that, yeah, but at the

(29:40):
same time, you, you could havewalked away well, yeah, because
it's going to be one tori lane'sgot kicked off the tour, so
nobody kicked off august alcina.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
So yeah, so it wasn't like you know.
It was a situation.
People who saw it Was like,okay, that was a wild situation.
So you?
So, since he got kicked off atour, that was saying that he
was in the wrong Now, and nobodysaid that Augustina Fought back
.
Yeah, that wasn't a thing.
Yeah, yeah, he like this dudejust punched me in the face.

(30:15):
Cause he talked about me and mysituation when I had with Jada
and I didn't want to shake hishand when I saw him, I was like
no, we're cool, keep it at thesame energy.
And then you left, then cameright back and punched me Like
that's, regardless of how youwant to shape it up, you should
have been, you should have leftthat moment, given your
situation.
So you're not criticallythinking and healing.

(30:36):
I'm not saying that he is thatsame person, but I also can say
that healing is not linear, youknow.
So you're not going to go to astraight path to healing.
There's ups and flows of it soyeah.
So you're going to be very muchgoing to be hit.
Healing is a forever process,right, yeah.
So whatever happens to you andniggas ain't getting stabbed all

(30:57):
the time for real, uh, what youmean like in jail 14, 14 times,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,bussy was in prison for how?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
however long he had the coke cola in the shower,
coke in the shower, type.
You know a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, and he was in one of the worst prisons,
wayne gucci.
A lot of people, a lot ofcelebrities making a prison for
years, and that doesn't happen,not to say everything's
everything's different.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It could have been like exactly what you're saying
but I'm also putting two plustwo together so you think that
it was it, it, it tied into hiswhole situation of why he got in
there no I'm just saying it'stwo and two together the two and
two together is somebody whohas a history of reacting
violently probably he didsomething probably uh, and then

(31:45):
they was like okay, bet probably.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, you know same story.
I mean, okay, I'll put, not tosay names, but a different
prison story.
I was talking to somebody andthey was telling me about a
different prison experience,when somebody took their things

(32:09):
and that person was like he tookmy stuff and I didn't want to
stab him, but I had to showpeople I wasn't no punk, yeah,
so I had to stab his ass, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, I didn't want to, butyou do the things because it's

(32:29):
prison, yeah, so everybody bepunking me.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right after that, yeah yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
So that's the type of you know prison is prison.
Not to say that tory was wrong.
I have no idea, but I also canlook at your history and say
there there's odds, are thereyou probably had.
It wasn't just out of nowhere.
Yeah, this is somethingstemming.
The people are crazy, so I'mI'm willing to understand that I

(33:01):
could definitely be wrong yeahbut at the same time, yeah, he
may.
He may have did something towhere that happened and probably
did he deserve to be stabbed.
Probably not, but yeah, it'sprison.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's a different world.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The rules apply differently.
And then you can be aboveyourself.
You can be a celebrity and actlike a celebrity in prison.
Definitely, if you're doing alot for people, who are you to
come to me?
Like yeah, yeah.
Can I get a picture?
Hell, no F you.
I'm just saying something.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Troy rapped for me.
He could have been easilyoffended.
Hey, spit a free file, littlenigga picture.
Hell, no f you all right, I'mjust saying something, you know.
Yeah, no, there's a lot of rapfor me.
He could.
He could have been easilyoffensive.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Hey, spit a free file .
Little nigga dude got you knowhe's like, who are you?
And then they exchange words tothe stab it's.
It's so easy for things tohappen.
Depth you're in a room full oftestosterone bro it is, that's I
.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I can't see myself there at all.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I mean, yeah, yeah I, I can't see myself there at all
.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I mean yeah yeah, I can't see it either.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's unfortunate.
I think the world of ToryLanez's talent, but I can remove
myself out of it and say, hey,it's prison.
I don't want to see this happento him.
I just hope that he has a saferecovery.
Hopefully, Lord willing, hewill be able to get out and make

(34:21):
it out and be a changed man andgrow from it and continue to
make great music yeah, no, forsure I.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I.
I could only assume that thatwould change anybody.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
God damn it, or at least a little bit right but um,
yeah for the better, becauseprison is always not a you know,
yeah, yeah, it doesn't make youa better man every time yeah,
he can make you a killer man.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, that's.
That's another reason why Ijust I, I don't, I don't fully
agree with it.
I don't fully agree with thewhole system of it.
You know, I feel like it canonly do something detrimental
Not only, but a big percentageof the outcome I feel like can

(35:11):
be detrimental to a person.
You know, rather than justletting them grow.
I feel like the main thing ofthe positive that can happen is
maybe one they might find God.
Two they don't want to go back.
Yeah of course.
Yeah, that could be like themain thing, but the other shit
that you have to deal with whileyou in there, I just I be

(35:36):
trying to put myself in theright environment outside, like
I'd be wanting to elevate.
So I'm like man, let me, let mesee what these people are doing
on this side of town.
Let me, let me, let me get theenergy of these people.
That shit would change me likeabsolutely.
So I, I, I don't know, I I getlike putting people away and all

(35:57):
that type of shit that need tobe put away.
But I just feel like somethings doesn't, it doesn't solve
.
I don't know it can.
I saw this thing one time.
It was 60 Days In.
You know what that is.
No 60 Days In is if like, if yougo to jail right and I think it

(36:20):
was 60 Days In.
No, world's worst prisons.
So this guy, he goes around theworld and then he goes into
different prisons and then hesees how they are on the inside.
So if he goes to, let's say,one in America's we pretty much
have a sense of like kind ofwhat that is Like like for you
know, the outside speaking um,he went to switzerland or norway

(36:43):
yeah, or something like that,and their prisons was totally
different yeah, I heard they'regreat states yeah, basically.
So like they have they, they'resitting there working on cars.
Like they have they.
They sit there working on cars,like these people have like
normal lives.
It's it's it's it's sort of alockdown, but it's kind of like

(37:05):
you got a one bed.
You got a studio apartment.
Instead of like jail, it's likea studio apartment, it's
peaceful.
You know, the crazies arelocked up in the crazy part and
the people who you know on herefor weed are locked up in the
crazy part, and the people whoyou know aren't here for weed or
cocaine or like whatever thefuck.
But got a right mind.
They're in spots where they'rejust kind of like it, kind of

(37:27):
like that anger and all thatshit just kind of filters out
after a while and they're notaround like crazy ass people
that make them.
I'm sure they're aroundsomething, but it's not like

(37:48):
here.
Yeah, and I can see thathelping a person by breaking
their habit of being in anenvironment that makes them
think a certain way.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, that's what I mean by that.
Well, you also could go theother way is that there's a one
dude that was locked up in aSweden prison?

Speaker 2 (38:01):
He had a.
Why are you prepared to laugh?
I'm just expecting him to be aserial killer.
He's like it's the best shitever.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
No, no.
His roommate oh, I'm trippingHis roommate was like he's like
I rob banks and I'm going to getout in six months and do it
again.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
This is on record.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, well, he was saying it because he went to
prison in Sweden or somewhereand then his roommate was like
yeah, I just rob banks and I'mjust so easy, I'm just keep on
robbing them, yeah, yeah, andjust spend another six months.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, I guess you'll have people like that too, yeah
yeah, spend another six months.
Well, I guess you'll havepeople like that too.
Yeah, like okay, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, but they're not
trying to kill each other, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, I can say that this isnot a true rehabilitation
process.
Yeah, yeah, it's very much abusiness and it's it's ran, uh,

(39:01):
like a plantation.
Yes, um and it could be ran muchbetter if it wanted to and be
more efficient and to helppeople grow.
Now there are, from what I hear, there are opportunities to
grow in there, but um, it candefinitely be a lot better than
what it should be, but that'sthat's what essentially prisons
are kind of made for um.
It was made for um to lockpeople up so they can um, now

(39:24):
you can be that the uh propertyof the state, instead of how
slavery was, where you're theproperty of a certain individual
.
Now you're you're literallystate property mm-hmm yeah, and
you work for the state you'reright.
So so now?
So you just really a slave yeahyeah, yeah, and that's why

(39:45):
everybody want to weed offenses,because it's like, as such,
lowly offenses but those get.
It was one to help populate theprisons and to help work for
people for low wages.
Yeah.
It's intentionally broken.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, for sure, or an old machine, depending on who
you ask.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, because there's a lot of money to be made in
prison.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's definitely a machine.
I feel like the whole systemfrom the.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Because it's publicly traded companies that are
prison, prison penitentiaries.
Like CoreCivic is one of them.
That's a publicly tradedcompany to where you can invest
in it and they work in, they'rein the prison system, like own

(40:34):
properties and shit like that orhelp run the system.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I hear a lot of backstories about that.
That whole thing from there tothe police, to um, the
full-rounded start to thegovernment, like a full-rounded
um circle yeah, oh uh it.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's where your conspiratorial brain goes,
because I remember I need toread that book.
But it was a guy who was one ofthe officers who was a part of.
I don't think he was the onewho shot Breonna Taylor, it was

(41:15):
all-encompassing, but about howit was the reason why we was
even really out there for real.
I'm paraphrasing and I could bewrong.
Look it up yourselves.
But there was gentrificationgoing on and so they wanted to
remove people around the area.

(41:36):
So they were going sweeping youknow, kicking doors and
different things like that tohelp gentrify for a huge
property developer that was withCahoots, the mayor and the
police.
The police are just theenforcers of it.
They don't know what.
The police harvest is not goingto go know what's going on.

(41:58):
Maybe the sergeant or thecaptain does know, and so then,
the people just enforcing therule so they can like hey, get
this person, get this individual, because we're trying to get
people as much out of here aspossible so we can, um uh,
develop this land that they'reon, because now this property
can be worth more.
So they're just really, really,and he was trying to, I guess,
break it down and how this, thewhole encompassing, led to the

(42:22):
situation that should have neverhappened um, that's, that's.
Yeah, I was talking about likeback then for real, oh, yeah, no
, but now, yeah, yeah, but, butnow it's yeah.
So there's enforcers like evennow, like it's little things
I'll see and when you, when yourbrain goes that way you can,
you will see it.
So, like there's this place offof Jefferson has a lot of drag

(42:46):
addicts, so, but they've beenthere for years.
That shit's been the hot spotforever.
Nobody did anything about it.
But now you go there that thatliquor store or that convenience
store where they huddled out,now it's gated off.
They said this is shut down bythe city Court order.

(43:07):
Yeah, yeah, and no crackheads,no drug addicts there at all.
Something they could have beencleaned up.
But since there's so muchgentrification around that area
now it's a problem because whitepeople are getting
uncomfortable and they're goingto lose out on money, exactly
Because who wants to move therewith a bunch of crackheads?
Yeah, so now they're kickingpeople out, now that there's a

(43:28):
jack-in-the-box on Trinity Lane.
A bunch of crackheads used tobe there.
You don't see none of them now.
Oh, you should have seen brad,you should have seen.
Uh, barstool had their bar.
There was the under the bridge.
There was a lot of crackersused to be all the time they
were.
They swept that when I wasdriving through the area.

(43:49):
They was taking them away bythe boatload.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
yeah, taking them away.
How prison.
You just snatched your Lordcancer, I mean yeah yeah, you're
right, yeah, you can easily.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, who's gonna
fight for their rights for real?
Damn.
Yeah, I mean they're homeless,they don't know what's going on.
You can get them on anythingyeah, of course that's, that's
like your pockets exactlyanything wow where you're gonna

(44:21):
have some type of some crackheadwho knows a lot for real their
highest shit.
Like, yeah, like for real, yeah,like you see a lot of dudes
like squirming little dudes likesquirming around and looking
crazy, yeah, nobody gonna feelbad for him.
You don't got no family tofight for him.
For real, yeah, yeah, so whenyou use, when I, you know, when

(44:45):
you, now that I'm giving you theinfo, you'll see it a lot more.
Yeah, when you see these thebig towers, it's like all right,
they're gonna clean this upreal quick yeah yeah, I even saw
when the tornadoes naturaldisasters developersers love
that.
That's like buying low.
And selling high yeah.

(45:06):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I didn't think about that.
Wow, so they do that yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It's a game, it's capitalism, it's economics.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
When high demand, uh, you raise the prices or no, um,
yeah, low supply, high demandraise the prices I've I've uh
ran into somebody who has abusiness of uh construction and
rebuilding homes and roofs andstuff like that and he told me.
When I told him, um, that I wasout here in Nashville, he just

(45:41):
said like, oh yeah, wedefinitely be doing business out
there, didn't it just flood outthere?
And he said it like it was apayday for him.
Yeah, yeah, like I neverthought of it like that.
Like they go to where the shitwhich makes sense, yeah, but
like, yeah, they go to whereit's like didn't have, didn't
have tornado, like he almost gothype off this shit.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, that's how people make
their livings.
It sounds disgusting, that'show, but that's how you, you eat
and and I mean, and that's justmakes people a consumer
naturally because now yourinsurance is going to go up,
there's a claim on the home,everything's getting raised and
everything costs more.

(46:22):
So that just makes that forcesyou to be a consumer, because
you want to be the repairs toyour home.
Yeah, yeah, because you're off.
Doing what you're doing, you'reproviding for your family.
You can't fix your roof too yeahyeah, it's still have a life of
happiness.
It's all encompassing, yeah,yeah, you'll be a consumer
forever.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
It's just to what degree.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's a great traveling businessman.
You'll always be in the sameseason in certain places.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Very much possible.
I don't think that's verysustainable.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
What.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
No, I'm just saying in terms of you'll be traveling
on the move.
That's very much a what ispeople when you get fired?
Or rotation, a constantrotation of people what is that
called?
Tempt hire.
No no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
It's like a ratio.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
But yeah, it's going to come to me later on.
But it's like it's a revolvingdoor of people to come in.
I mean I guess, yeah, yes, soit's that process.
It's more like contractors,though.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
That's how I was thinking I guess yeah, yes, so
it's that process.
It's more like contractorsthough.
That's how I was thinking aboutit, maybe so.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You can eat off that, why not?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah if you're a city , though If your city has
certain things, that alwayshappen.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, yeah, and you go into a city that you know you
got to start hustling, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'm saying like florida has hurricane season,
yeah like.
So you can have like a certainamount of people that contract
to do this job that.
You know every single yearyou're gonna get that true yeah
but what I meant by traveling,not necessarily like the boss
travels, but like your business,like you can have your business
in florida.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
You can have your business in wherever there's
fucking tornadoes every yearyeah yeah, kind of like tax
season, yeah and yeah, for herewe're, we're, um, we're probably
boring people, but I don't know.
Yeah, but we got like we'reknown for wind and hail damages
big in tennessee, so uh, ro,roofs is our number one claims

(48:29):
as far as insurance goes, um, so, yes, so there's a lot of
roofers here man hail was justcoming down like yeah, yeah,
last week it was normal.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, I was outside while it was happening and I'm
just like it.
It clearly wasn't dangerous, or?
Anything but it was justfalling and I'm like yo, what
the fuck like this is?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
it looks just so natural and normal I'm like
that's like hard rain yeah, Iknow right, just like diamonds
from the sky kind of yeah, yeah,it's like my damn okay.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Um yeah, the only time I remember hell for real
and it was just crazy, when Iwas in st louis one time, that
that shit, I was young.
I don't even remember St Louis,except the Ark, you know, have
you ever been to the Ark?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
No, I haven't.
Fucking scary the.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Arch Arch Arch.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Arch, whatever.
Yeah, you go up this elevatorand it goes all the way up and
you go to the top and you canoversee the city and it was just
scary going up.
You ever rode the Zip andPippin no.
No.
Well, it's a monumental rollercoaster that used to be at
Liberty Land in Memphis, whichis a fair.

(49:43):
It's like a fair that everybodywent to every year and it was
just so it.
It was like the main rollercoaster that everybody rode.
But it felt so old that theroller coaster wasn't scary, but
the safety that you felt beingon it was scary if you felt like

(50:05):
you could just like being on.
It was scary if you felt likeyou could just like get off the
tracks, like while it's whileit's going and I felt that going
up the thing, but um yeah, stlouis, that shit was like this
big and I remember hitting thecar and then it it just felt
like the glass was gonna crackat any moment I got you.
Yeah, that was the only time II I felt like that yeah, I'm

(50:27):
cool man, but what, uh, whatelse, what else uh, so diddy's
trial is starting to begin.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Oh, so it started?
I think so like yeah, I sawsomething about that yeah, so do
you got any early predictionsyou think you're gonna get?
What is?
The charge um like he got a lotof stuff Like I think he's got
like a RICO charge, likeprostitution charge, I'm sure,

(50:55):
like some sexual assault, likecharges like that.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
I feel like they'll have a lotof information, mm-hmm, but I
don't know, I'm really not sure.
I'm really not sure, I justfeel like the parties were just
like freak parties and in myhead I just feel like there's a

(51:25):
way to get him around it, notlike I'm saying he's 100%
innocent and he did nothingwrong.
I'm just saying the way theshit is set up.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It sounds to me more like yeah, human trafficking,
sex trafficking, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It would have to be so concrete.
Everything I've heard is morelike they was at this party.
They was fucking and it shitgot crazy and baby oil was there
you know, so you know what thatmeans.
You know, it's just like.
Even if some wild shit washappening, the shit gotta be way

(52:06):
worse than the cassie video,like in terms of like, not even
not even fucking wise.
And I saw something and it saidlike somebody was peeing on her
or some shit.
And then I heard his daughterswas in the room while they were
saying that and I was like, damn, that's that sucks.
But um, I just, I just feellike they're gonna have a long
list of freaky stuff to say, butlike and probably some things

(52:31):
about you know hisaggressiveness or whatever, but
I just, I don't know if therewould be just like some concrete
.
This is yo.
Look at this this is clearlyit's trafficking this person
like.
It's clearly like they have thereceipts yeah, yeah, like, not

(52:54):
like an argument, you know yeah,I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I feel like they don't have that concrete
receipts.
But if you get some, it's it'syou.
It's very much a jury.
So if you get enough peoplesaying you do, you did this
thing, they're gonna get a lotof thing.
They're going to get a lot ofthat.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
They're going to get a lot of that.
I'm just.
It's just like the nail in thecoffin the, the, the, that thing
.
I don't know Cause they wouldhave been had it already.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I think there's kind of how it is and prostitution
seems like that's going to bethe biggest one, but he got to
prove that he was the one whopaid them, and you know what I
mean.
But so I think it.
I think that it will be tough toto find him.
You have to make sure that theprosecution looks stupid as

(53:47):
possible, so if he's able to dothat and to look like, hey,
they're clearly out just tryingto get me, for this reason, I
think the lawyers would reallyhave to go out and say this is
the reason why they're doingthis thing and they won't admit
it to you.
And that would be my, myapproach, because these are,

(54:13):
these are clearly false chargesand they have no way of proving
it by hearsay.
And they're they're giving, youknow, people who dislike him
now, yeah, and who are makingmoney from him or have made
money from him, um, but there'sa lot of things.
So I think he has, he has afighting chance, but it just

(54:33):
depends on how good his lawyersare and making them look stupid.
And I would definitely give hima reason why they're doing this
to him and why they'rerailroading him, and they got to
show up the receipts now.
I doubt that will happen, butthat will be my angle every time
yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
It's very obvious that there's something clearly
going on, yeah, yeah yeah, andyou can't have that many people
out here trying to like that.
Just don't fuck with you well,so it's I mean it's simple.
It's simple, right okay.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
So for them, so for as many people that have been on
epstein island and them not tryto properly investigate and get
people you know thrown inprison for that and it was just
jeffrey and galane that theyhave a whole island.
Who's maintaining this?
There's a lot of people thatseen a lot of Different things,

(55:26):
and so for you to have To onlyconvict two people Shows you
that y'all are not Interested ingetting People who are
Participating in this, thesedeviant things.
So, For them to get Puffy.
It's more than just deviancy.
It's something bigger Than that.
And so this is so we know it'smore than just deviancy, it's,

(55:48):
it's something bigger than that,and so this is so, so we know
it's bs.
Yeah, yeah, because so you'regonna.
You was already getting puff,uh, public before you the cassie
video, and yeah, and you'resaying it's deviant so we
already know it's bs, so it'ssomething bigger than that yeah,
yeah, yeah, he he.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
He pissed a lot of people off but.
I mean I?
I hear um yeah it's just, it's.
It's just a lot of people thatjust want to come out and just
you know, say stuff uh, it's.
It's just kind of like damn.
I I just remember hearing aboutkid Cudi car blowing up and

(56:29):
after I heard that I was justlike I don't know, it's got to
be so concrete.
Shit like that has to leaddirectly back to him, and I
don't think that's out there.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, do I think Puffy is a good person?
No, I don't.
Oh, yeah, yeah, so that's so.
That's a part of him is doingit to yourself.
Clearly he's leaving a deviantlifestyle.
I'm not gonna come in.
That's just very immoral.
Now, everything else implicatesa lot of people that did this

(57:06):
that got a tail.
Yeah, so I mean, I ain't goingto like I don't want any.
So the biggest thing is theliquor company that he sued and
that's kind of what stemmed fromthis.
Are you familiar with that?
That's right, yeah, but it's aparent company like DiMaggio or

(57:26):
something like that was a brandhe was suing because of his
liquor company wasn't gettingthe marketing that, uh, the casa
casamigos was getting oh, ohyeah because they're in the same
brand.
And then he was suing them forlike some civil rights type of
thing and it was a legitimatecase.
And so they was like you havethe nerve to sue me I'm

(57:48):
paraphrasing, and obviously I'massuming because I have no idea
and then, like you have thenerve assuming me knowing what
you about?
All right, bet, well, we'reabout to yeah, you ain't about
to get a substantial amount ofmoney.
We're gonna gonna get you forthat.
So, yeah, yeah, you're, you'redefinitely much a nigga.
And you, yeah, yeah, we ain'tgonna be stop, you ain't gonna

(58:10):
be stopping us.
So that was kind of the gist ofit and, uh, that's kind of
where it's stemming from.
Otherwise, he's been doing thisfor years.
There's so many stuff that'sbeen out here.
A lot of people know a lot ofdifferent things and so if they
actually want to get them whenyou know if it was something he
was doing wrong, they would havedone it a long time ago,
because these puppy stuff andallegations have been out for

(58:31):
years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's not, it's not justtheir first time catching wind
of it.
Everybody's heard about it,everybody's been talking about
it.
You had several differentvideos on VladTVs of everything
that's happened.
They've very much seen it all,so it's a reason why it's
happening now and it'sdefinitely, I feel like, because
of that liquor company and themhitting that button yeah, yeah,

(58:55):
I feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
It's usually some some big thing when huge people
fall yeah, yeah like.
Not necessarily that, notnecessarily like his case, where
he he clearly has things behindhim.
Yeah, I'm saying like michaeljackson, prince yeah yeah, yeah.
I feel like when the money shitreally is, uh, the next shit

(59:19):
starts to get shaky, then, youknow, random shit starts to
happen.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because a lot of people collude
with each other and it's a verymuch.
It's a small group of people.
Yeah yeah, that work together tomake stuff happen and you know
people get paid off.
There's a lot of bribes that goaround, so there's a lot of
money in the air and that's theway.

(59:46):
That's the rules people playunder and that's why I mean this
is not our home.
This is very much temporary.
Everybody gets to face thejudgment of the Lord, so that's
what I go back to.
So you can't really be stuck onwhat is devilish, demonic
behavior, and the devil comes indifferent forms.

(01:00:08):
You sometimes you think you'redoing the right thing, but
really you're not.
Um, so it's so.
Hey, this is so.
The devil has his hands to playand everything, and that's kind
of what I chuck it up to.
Yeah, yeah, it's like all right, you want to be, you want to be
on some demonic, sinful stuff.
All right, bet, that's going.

(01:00:30):
That's going to be what comesof it and yeah, yeah, and the
root of evil, uh, money.
Money is the root of all evil.
Is that what they say?
For the love of money.
No, for the love of money.
Yeah, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I should know this actually no, I've heard
money, but I've heard theopposite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
What?
What's the opposite?
Not having money is not evil.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
No, no, as in like, it's basically in the eye of the
beholder.
Like I can use money to makethe world better, but like you
can use the money to be selfishand greedy.
And da, da da.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, but the more money you have, the less likely
you're going to use it to makethe world better, because so
many little people do.
If so many people did, theworld wouldn't be where it's at.
So many.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
That's a nice point.
However, I don't feel like weweren't supposed to have
abundant lives I don't feel likeabundant lives and like being a
king, queen, uh uh, beingleaders in communities, having
people that you can lead, andthis, this, that and the other.

(01:01:45):
I feel like wealth is a part ofthat.
So I don't think just havingmoney is just like the root of
evil.
I think if I were to think likethat, then it could be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Well, I'm not saying being wealthy is, in nature,
evil.
That's not what I'm saying.
I think that it leads.
It can very much lead to thatI'll have to send you the Bible
scripture.
But the more money you have,the harder it is to live a more

(01:02:19):
noble life, and that's just howit goes, definitely in this
society.
So my thing is who are someseveral people that's doing it
right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I mean, there will be no way to tell.
I feel like.
I also feel like the more moneyyou have, the easier it is to
um, not necessarily easier it is.
Everything gets harder, I dobelieve, as you get more and
more and more and more and more,um, but I'm saying more so.
If there was a person who didnot want to be the face of

(01:02:52):
anything, I think it's supereasy to like hide out yeah, yeah
, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And and the one.
The reason why I point to thisis because when I said the
people who was doing rightbecause you're right, very much
right and saying, yeah, there'sno really way of knowing that,
but you can name the people whoare doing wrong, wait that's
what I'm saying.
They're usually the face ofsomething no, I'm just saying it
just in general.
You can just name a lot ofpeople who have a bunch of money

(01:03:17):
that's doing it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I mean, I don't really know too many.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You know that I'm just saying the, the, the
billionaires that you can name,are they doing it right?
I wouldn't know.
I don't know, of course not.
I'm just saying because youwould know if they were, because
why wouldn't?
You know, because it'll be alot of wealth they'll be

(01:03:45):
distributing to others to makemake sure it, because one you
don't need all of it, right?
Yeah, and I'm not saying thatevery them and themselves are
evil, but you can clearly likehey, they're coordinating a lot
of it, they're not doing itright yeah, yeah because you one
, they're part of america.

(01:04:05):
They can All the people that'swealthy, that was at Trump's
inauguration, can instill Changethat you could very well see If
they saw fit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Chicago was the worst city.
They could put their money IntoChicago and it'd be very light
for them as a collective.
Yeah, so I'm just saying youcould see people who are doing
your.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
You could do it right I also feel like, uh, there's a
lot of people that don't showwhat they do I, and I think
that's more cap than what youbelieve it is I don't think I
would I think I would much Ithink I would, um, I don't know,
it's like even.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I think that I think that you would like I said even
to tori lane's he's in prisonand he's showing the ability of
what he's doing while he's inthe impact yeah, that's, that's
different well, let's just saythat I was, I had like a whole
lot of my I'm a billionaire andI got a bunch of people out of
jail.
I wouldn't post it Like itwouldn't be like that for me,

(01:05:13):
but you will post your uh, yourthousand cars on Instagram.
No, okay, so so, but we see alot of that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah, I ain't talking about them.
I'm talking about me yeah, okay, that's easy enough to say okay
, so I don't know there gotta bepeople out there, but that's
because there isn't yeah, youdon't have the other way to look
at that, because I feel likethere are people out there that
actually don't show you whatthey're doing and but that's my
point is you see more peopledoing it wrong than you see them

(01:05:44):
doing it right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So it's easy to, it's easier to see that that I can
agree with that if the if money,if money was done right and the
the wealth of money wasultimate um, I'm ultimate good.
Like I was just saying, myargument was the more money you
have, the tougher it is to belive a righteous life.

(01:06:06):
That's pretty much what myargument was, and so I'm able to
see that visually.
I'm not saying that beingwealthy is bad, but it's tougher
to live a righteous life withwealth.
I'm not saying that I don'twant no money.
I would like to be wealthy, butI do know that it will be
tougher to live a more righteouslife because of it, and you can
visually see.
That's why I was naming thename the billionaires.

(01:06:32):
And he's like I wouldn't dothis.
It's like, yeah, I understood,you wouldn't do that.
I'm not saying every personwho's rich is evil, but I'm just
saying you can see so manypeople doing it wrong, because
otherwise you will see a lotmore people helping out others
than versus what you see withthe cars that you see more of
the cars on instagram.
Then you see them helping outthe community.
You see more them flashingtheir wealth, knowing how much
they got, versus them helpingthe community.

(01:06:53):
You just see it naturally.
Um, yeah, I don't.
I don't know how you can reallydisagree with that, because I
mean you can see that in yourown eyes.
Am I, am I, is that not?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
what we're only targeting a certain am I, am I.
Is that not what we're onlytargeting?
A certain people, though, andthey're like I don't have my, my
argument.
I will say that my argumentisn't strong enough to go back
and forth with you on it,because what I'm saying is for
the people that are not, that wecannot see.
So, yeah, you're right, becausethat is the.

(01:07:25):
I see the cars, I see this, andthat I see the face of Tesla,
the face of Facebook, the faceof Amazon, the face of they're
the fact, like it's.
It's, it's something that isattached to something yeah so,
yeah, we look at, we literallycan see them.
So, yeah, we're looking at them.

(01:07:45):
But my argument was was thatthere has to Well, I believe
that there has to be people thatdon't care about being like
faces of certain things or likeI'm the one who did this and,
you know, is more of like Idon't know, like a Batman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I think those are few and far between versus what
you're making.
They're not an abundance ofthem there's not an abundance of
billionaires there's not anabundance of.
I didn't just say billionaires,I just used wealth as an
example.
I was just saying I said flashycards.
I don't see Zuckerberg flashinghis Bugatti if he got swung.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I'm just saying I mentioned them because you said
um the trump inauguration and Ino no, just saying uh, how you
know certain people who's doingit right?
So I was just assuming that youwere talking about the people
that we do know who has the mostfucking money.
We ain't like.
You could have did this and youcould have built this city up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
That's why I named those people yeah, and I was
really saying, if you can namethe people who are doing right,
I can name 10 more people who'sdoing it wrong naturally yeah,
exactly that's what I'm saying.
But you're saying that all thesepeople are are super bands and
they don't want to be known foranything that they're doing.
Right, it's like, yeah, yeah,those noble people are few and

(01:09:07):
far between, because, even if,even if that's the case, I'm the
person.
That's that's why I was like Itake back the tory lane
situation, because I'm like showit, that should be inspiring
other people on to being helpful, because that people are not
knowing you know, the idea oflike, hey, I actually you
helping out blind children isactually cool.

(01:09:28):
Let me get in on that.
Showing off or not showing offor inspiring people to make
create change is an addedbenefit to society.
Why wouldn't you want toglorify that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I mean, I agree with that.
I don't know, I'm just not inthat space, so that I don't know
, I'm just not in that space, solike I don't know.
I don't know the type ofdecisions that need to be made.
Like you can be, you'reliterally in a position of power
to where you can move chesspieces on the board.
I feel like that's dangerous,like that's a dangerous spot to

(01:10:04):
be in, of course, so that's howyou know they're doing it wrong,
because it's a dangerous spotto be in.
So, if doing it right meansyou're dead or does it?
That's what I'm saying, like Idon't know what's the right,
wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I mean, we're talking about levels to this right.
Right, yeah, zuckerberg doingit right.
Yeah, yeah him doing it right.
Yeah, yeah, he's gonna face some, some consequences for his
actions because, yeah, you'renot beholding to the system at
that point yes so, yeah, you'reright about that, but that's
that's how you know that they'redoing it wrong, because they're
beholding to a system thatallows them to flourish in it.

(01:10:41):
So you got to be beholding anddoing some probably sadistic
things that you probably know iswrong in your consciousness
that you gotta be a part of soyou don't think that there's a
way to be one of the wealthiestpeople on the planet and just
live a good fulfilling?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
how do you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
do that.
I'm like like because one so noso I don't, I don't.
I mean, unless you're a completeinnovator that changed a
complete the game on somethingthat's nope, nobody's ever
thought brought to life.
Because, even like the NikolaTesla, the person who was
inspired the Tesla company orthat where the name came from

(01:11:22):
they.
They said he created energyfrom thin air.
Yeah, yeah, that you canactually create energy from Just
the air and that be able topower something.
They said that's what killedhim.
So, yeah, yeah, so you're.
So, you, being that type ofInnovator, you're not going to
be long lasting.

(01:11:42):
Only, you're a capitalisticsociety, so you need a certain
amount of people To work for youand somewhat hold You're in a
competition platform.
So there's a business thatyou're probably going to take
out of business in order tofulfill, to flourish.
So I mean, you're a giant.

(01:12:04):
You're going to step on peopleTo get to where you're going.
How many companies did JeffBezos?
You hear him all the time LikeNetflix, blockbuster is out,
amazon is out, toys R Us is gone, this is gone, this is gone.
There's a lot of businessesthat are destroyed Because of
your presence.
So it's not going to be nohappy.

(01:12:25):
Go lucky To where everybodywins.
Now, a lot more people winswhen you're here.
But it's not going to just beno happy-go-lucky to where
everybody wins when you're now alot of people, but more people
wins when you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
But you're definitely going to step on, destroy some
stuff on the way up I mean,heavy is the head that wears the
crown, though, yeah, so, likeyou said that, you're just
saying it's not possible that'sexactly what I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I'm saying it's going to.
That's why I said it got to besome type of innovate.
You gotta, you know, be, uh,create something that cures
cancer.
For you not to do that.
Even then you're going toprobably destroy some medical
companies yeah.
Yeah, so it's but I'm justsaying, even then you're going
to destroy some you know, somehealthcare fields in that
process.
So it's it's never just a cleanslate.

(01:13:05):
There's going to be somebodywhose life is ruined because you
got into the game if you'regoing to flourish that's an
interesting perspective.
Yeah, I mean yeah, amazon'sdrivers drive every day to
fulfill package and people.
They get attacked by dogs anddie.
Where do we just go?
I'm just saying like, justbecause your business presence,
people are going to be workingfor you and they in the process

(01:13:28):
of a business president.
People are going to be workingfor you and in the process of
them not working they're goingto be getting paid to make your
business, money and for you tobe profitable and they're going
to die in that act.
I'm not saying you're evilbecause of that, I'm just saying
there's just no clean slate toit.
Is pretty much what I'm sayingand I can say we could all have

(01:13:53):
that simple, simple form to itand I don't want to take it that
far because I just did but butnonetheless you are going to be
stepping on toes anytime you'regetting up that some type of
power, I mean, yeah, I woulddefinitely assume that I guess
that's not really where I wascoming from.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
The the main thing that I was saying was uh, I
think the base of the foundationof what we were talking about
was was uh, I think the base ofthe foundation of what we were
talking about was.
From my point of view, all Iwas trying to say is I do
believe I don't know, because Ifeel like with every tier of
life, with every um, uh tier ofsuccess and status and uh, uh,

(01:14:25):
uh wealth, um, you know, andleadership roles and all this
shit, it's going to come withsomething.
But I do feel like we were notsupposed to be like the
middleman.
I feel like, well, I mean, Ican't say everybody, because
that's kind of like.
You know, there are people thatjust like love to work.
You know, there are people thatlove the McDonald's job and

(01:14:49):
love that type of stuff, and Ihave friends that you know it's
just like they love just doingthis thing, not even caring
about a management role orwhatever.
They just want to do this onething, but inside, I do feel
like a lot of us are not meantto do that Like we're.
We're meant, we're actuallymeant to be wealthy, we're meant

(01:15:09):
to change the world in a goodway, and you know, and, and with
sometimes, or what I'm speakingof is a lot of resources a lot
of wealth and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, I, I mean that's that sounds great, Well,
but I think it's wishfulthinking in a lot of things,
Definitely if you don't have Godin mind I don't, yeah, and I
think a lot of that comes fromreligion and giving back is not

(01:15:43):
on the forefront of people'smind.
Um, I, I just see it more timesthan not.
I mean, of your friends who gota little bit of money do you
see, do you see them trulyimpacting people's lives on a
daily basis?
um the quick answer is no on aweekly basis, maybe, like, like

(01:16:06):
for the good, like, hey bro, I'mabout to actually volunteer for
the homeless, uh periodicallynot.
Yeah, not weekly I mean yeah,yeah monthly, like like, yeah,
periodically, yeah, they'll dosomething nice for somebody
every once in a while yeah but,but yeah, but, this altruistic
person that you, that you feelexists.
There's a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
That's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
But I think that's more.
That's very interesting.
That is such a small percentage, it's almost negligible.
And that's somebody who comesfrom a mentor who's in advocacy
space.
I see now, when we talk aboutthe church my church in
particular they go over andbeyond to where you don't have

(01:16:53):
time to um, watch a show, uh,invest in a business, cause they
invest in a business and biggerbrand and make it as big as

(01:17:13):
what you think it should bebecause you're working with
people who need help.
So.
So, for example, they go to.
We have, at one point in time,before covid, after church, go
to the nursing room.
We gotta sing, we gotta doprayer, we gotta pass out stuff.
We, there's a funeral, we gottago and you know, speak at the
funeral, be a part of it and dousher, there's just so many.
Then they got um, we got uh byum, um, gospel meetings that,

(01:17:38):
yeah.
So gospel means we go todifferent church, speak, be a
part of.
There's just so much thingsthat you can do that take so
much of your time, from jails toprisons, like all those are not
riching, not going to enrichyou.
I could enrich.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahyeah, so so the the people that

(01:17:58):
you speak of, is going to bevery tough for them to make
money because they're workingwithin the community on a daily,
weekly, monthly basis to whereit makes it more difficult to
spend that time because you gotto give your time somewhere.
There's only 24 hours in a day.
You got to eat, sleep and takecare of your family I mean, yeah
, so, so that's what I'm saying.
It's like yeah, I can, I can.

(01:18:19):
It's it's great to think howyou thinking, but to me it's a
little bit naive at the end ofthe day, because there's only
this.
If we should be able to namethose people, if it was such an
abundance of of it happening Istill don't think they say
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
It's kind of corny to do that.
What um just like I don't know,like anytime I see somebody
helping somebody and they postit.
It's just like all right.
So if you keep going up theladder, I can for sure expect
people to help out and we neverhear, of course, yeah, they like
I said, it's periodic.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
They will help out and you and they'll help out
sometimes.
Yeah, if I ain't never helpingout nobody and I help out this
one person.
It'll be corny to post that,but if I do this work on a daily
basis, yeah then.
Then you post it to inspire,because that's the work that you
do.
You're in the advocacy space,you're making change.
It's only right for somebodywho's in the church to post what

(01:19:19):
they do for the church.
That might be inspiringsomebody else, that might give
somebody closer to god, that maybring more people in, that may
inspire more people to help.
Why would you not post that?
But if you're doing it, but if,but if you're doing a clout
thing every once in a while,it's like, bro, this is not what
you're known to be.
You're only chasing clout justto get for likes.
Yeah, that's one thing.
But if this is what you trulyabout, that's not cloudy at all,

(01:19:41):
easily able to, um to, todiscern.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So um, I mean in a in a way, um, I don't know, I can
see both, like I can see.
Um, I don't know, I can seeboth.
I can see someone.
I see what you're saying aboutsomeone having you know periodic

(01:20:08):
stuff or whatever, but I alsosee somebody knowing that this
business that they're runningwill definitely help out way
more people than if they wereavailable every friday and
saturday to help out peopleright, but that sounds good in
theory, but that's ultimatelynot what happens, because then
that's exactly what happens soyou run the business, you build.

(01:20:31):
Tyler Perry can run the business.
Do this be a, I guess abillionaire now yeah, and then
now every Christmas,thanksgiving, this day, and this
day, this day he helps so manypeople because he built this
thing that can yes, he canprobably step on toes and do
this and all that yeah but atthe same time he has built a

(01:20:52):
consistent cycle of resourcesthat can also be filtered out
into the community and that'swhy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
That's why I feel like the naive stuff comes into
place yeah you can have TylerPerry who helps out a lot of
people in situations that canuplift some people at moments.
But you also hear Tyler Perrycan ruin your life if you hear
from stories like Monique, yeah.

(01:21:22):
So yeah, you have stories ofhim helping.
You have stories of him nothelping.
But there's also, when I talkabout, the naive part about it
is it's a business, it is your.
Every business is a risk.
So the odds of you getting to aTyler Perry are very slim
Anybody, not just saying you inparticular.

(01:21:43):
So you're going to put a lot ofmoney back in your business to
grow it.
So you're not going to behaving this altruistic approach
of giving away at a time.
That's not how it goes.
So you're going to be investingin, investing in people.
So the less likely you are tojust give it bluntly is a very
more slim, but I mean that wouldbe stupid that's what.

(01:22:07):
That's what I'm saying so I'm soso you're ultimately agreeing
with me.
So no, I'm saying that you canpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Uh, my point is that you can be this person to uh, we
all agree on that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
So what are you?
What are you not understandingwhat I'm saying?
That the odds of that happeningis very slim.
Yeah, yeah, that's what that's.
What I'm saying is like we allagree that everybody, a person,
a good person to have money.
I've never disagreed with youon that, but what I'm saying?
We all agree that you can be agood person and have money.
I've never disagreed with youon that, but I'm just saying you
would see that more times thannot If that was the odds of it
happening.
I said the odds of that nothappening are slimmer.

(01:22:41):
Yes, you can give moneyperiodically.
I give money to the homelessevery time.
Am I impacting their lives?
Not really To a certain degree,but this ain't something that's
going to save them.
But if I'm making a true impact, that's something that takes a

(01:23:03):
lot of time and a lot ofinvestment to actually make.
But yeah, I could buy toys forsomebody every christmas.
Is that that was a nice gesture?
For sure?
But we talking about impact, wetalking about change, yeah,
yeah, yeah, tyler perry, buying,you know, buying everybody who
was on uh layaway is a nicegesture, you don't think?

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
there's anything deeper than that that these
people.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I'm sure there is possibly okay yeah, I'm sure,
but also they are.
They are wealthy billionairesthat have destroyed people as
well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
That's what I'm saying so.
We just sounds like you saidain't nobody good out there I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
I don't know why you keep on saying that.
Where are you getting that from?
because you keep going back to,because I'm saying he did that
but because I said, the odds areof you.
The more wealthy, the moredifficult it is.
I've said that in the beginning.
So so I'm just saying, forevery person that you can name,
I can name 10 other people.
I'm not saying that there'snobody that does good ever when

(01:24:06):
they got money.
That is not what I'm saying atall.
But I'm just saying there aremore cases than not of people
showing you that the morewealthy you get, the more
difficult it is to actually bedo good with it, like you do
good things absolutely, but theodds of that happening over the
course of time are slimmer thanit is yeah, no, I agree with you

(01:24:29):
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
I just said that, um, that youknow, with my argument to that
there are other people.
It would just be hard to evenfight that because, like, like I
said, we don't, we can only goafter what we see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
So, yeah, like that's that's anything, right, yeah,
so so I agree with what you'resaying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
only have that evidence of whatwe know to be true, and I'm just
saying if I'm wrong.
If this was not the case, thenyou would see a lot more.
It would be obvious to us, butsince it's obvious and it's a

(01:25:04):
hard time for us to think and wecan think of people how they're
using those ways for bad, thenit's not obvious and that just
easily from our vision and ourown experience, that you can see
that the more wealth you get,the more difficult it is to be
righteous with it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I mean that's that's been in so many songs, yeah,
like, and you, you see it a lottoo.
I mean it's that's hard to.
It's literally like it's youcan only outside.
What's like outside looking in.
Uh, until you like literally inthat situation.
Uh, because I do feel like mostof those people, like I said,

(01:25:41):
can move chess pieces on theboard and that shit is like
great, like beyonce and jay-zcan inspire people to pick
another president.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Yeah, they have a lot of influence and a lot of money
.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Those are people that's in the face, in the front
of the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I'm not trying to discourage people from getting
wealthy.
It's probably what it soundslike you're somewhat defending.
I want to be wealthy, I want tomake great changes.
It's like, yeah, that soundsnoble now, but that is way more
difficult than whatever youthink is going to happen.

(01:26:22):
It just is naturally Becauseotherwise everybody would have a
school.
It would be so noticeable thatit's like dang, this is yeah,
this is something I aspire to.
But I'm saying, if it was thateasy, then you would see it just
naturally that never said itwas easy.

(01:26:42):
Yeah, but it, it was the, it wasthe way you spoke on it and the
way you defended it.
To where?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
so I was like, okay, like we should, we um, there are
a lot of people that even, um,I don't know these people
verbatim, but, um, I just see ita lot like in the bible that
people had stuff like I don'tabundance of things, of stuff

(01:27:13):
like I don't abundance of thingsof land, animals, this, that
community, the leaders ofcertain communities, whatever it
was just like and then theybuilt a whole city here.
Then they did this like that'snot just in today's land, a
nigga with a couple thousanddollars, like that's like people
who can move and shake someshit.
I feel like there are a lot ofpeople that um, uh, uh, that

(01:27:36):
that live a certain way, thatdon't even know that, like a lot
of us actually, I feel, areactually supposed to be wealthy
and we're like trained in thismind that we're not supposed to
have, or we I don't, we can onlyget to set level, and I think
it's all like a trick.

(01:27:57):
I feel like we it's, it's amental thing.
So, yeah, I wasn't battlinganything you say.
Honestly, I agree with, like,most of what you were saying.
Yeah, I just feel like there'sa disconnect sometime, cause I
used to think that my firstthing I used to think was, like

(01:28:18):
man, money is the root of allevil.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I don't never want like too much money, cause I
used to say shit like that allthe time, and I think it's for
the love of money.
Yeah, what do you mean?
For the love of money is theroot of all labor, or something
like that no, no, I think, yeah,I I I have to re-look at the
scripture but yeah, yeah, yeahI'm not.
I'm not saying that haveinspiring to to be rich is a bad

(01:28:43):
thing to have wealth is not initself a bad thing, but it's
harder to be righteous no life,life's got it's got to be more.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
It changes everything .

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
So that's what.
So that's what I'm saying.
It makes things more difficultwhen you have more money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
No, absolutely, and going back, to your point of
like you will, you, you willhave to step on.
Like, the bigger your block is,the less than somebody's block
yeah exactly so yeah, no, Iagree with you on that, yeah
yeah, and then there are otherpowers that be that see you and
like, yeah, yeah, like hold on,you're doing yeah, yeah, you're
doing, you're doing a lot rightnow too much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, exactly, there's a lot of balance.
You know, even my, my smalllittle circle, it's like they,
you people, see you doing rightand they don't like it.
You felt that before I.
I feel Like they may not lovewhen their life is and it's less

(01:29:42):
of Working together and you cansee there's some jealousy that
happens there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I hate that word.
I hate that word.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
you mean jealous, what, what?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
so we'll break it down for me what you mean there
was a shout out to my friend I'mnot, I'm not gonna um say
certain names or whatever.
Yeah, we really ended today, huhyeah, yeah but uh, shout out to
um, my friends and my closefriends and stuff.
But there were two differentsituations that I'm going to say

(01:30:15):
and I've always just been thisway of like I can have a hole in
my shoe and there could be adude next to me with some nice
shoes on, I'd be like, hey, thatmy hole's fresh.
I've always been like that.
So I had a friend once.
He was like you know something,something was happening with
you, you know, and um, and.

(01:30:40):
and he just said like uh, yeah,and I just got jealous, like I
got jealous like when you didthis, but he said it in a way
like it was okay, it was justbecause he didn't.
He the word didn't mean how Itake it understood, which is
like I believe is the reality ofthe word which is like it's.

(01:31:03):
It's not of god for real but theshit is like literally hating,
hey, yeah you're hating you'rehating and then you're using
your to cloud you know thethought of we could be doing
this together or whatever, andit's just kind of like that
would make you sad to see me winmore I have friends, my friends

(01:31:26):
To see me win more.
I had friends, my friends gotthe new whip every other week
this, this, then I'll see theirpage.
And then I'm like I if there isa sense of that because there
have been times where I haven'tbeen like where I am here, or or
or the, the, the spread or thegap between me and like a

(01:31:46):
successful friend was like hugeand initially, looking at it,
and I think, depending on who Iwas hanging around, all that
type of shit probably had likesome of that in there.
But as soon as any of that shitgets in my head, like damn,
like this might keep winning soyou probably should have used
the word insecure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
That made me insecure , but that's.
That's less of a word that heprobably wants to say in front
of anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Yes, that type of shit.
And then that happened in arelationship as well I was in
and you know I used to think sohighly of that person that, like
to me, they were always winning.
They were always doing so well,and I'm like I knew that every
day I was working to catch up towherever the fuck they was

(01:32:32):
going, because to me in my head,they were so much farther than
me and then one day I looked upand I had, you know, um, I was
just doing a lot of things thatwere that, that were um, I feel
like on the path of my purposeand stuff like that, and it was
all like at once.
And then they just told me oneday, while they were basically

(01:32:54):
going through depression andthey were like, you know, I'm
just like kind of jealous oflike what you have going and
this, this and that, and thenthat kind of like broke my heart
because I'm like damn, andsomebody you was in a
relationship with, in arelationship with, oh wow, yeah,
and I was like damn.
Like you know, through thiswhole relationship, I never look

(01:33:14):
, you were winning the wholetime and like I'm sitting here
looking at me, looking at yourwins, like man, steve, you gotta
get this shit together becauseyour ass gonna be left behind.
And you know, not, not in theterm of I'm jealous, but just
like you know, a motivational,like, like fire under the ass
type thing.
Like you know, you have to keepelevating people around you and

(01:33:39):
I just take jealousy as justlike this thing.
That is just not.
It's not, it's not good, it'sliterally to me.
I take it as bad, like yeah,get away yeah, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
That's a bad word to use.
Yeah, um, I think, at the endof the day, do they want to see
you succeed.
Yes, yeah, yeah yeah I thinkthey're just.
What they really probably meanis hey, I'm insecure, yeah,
because you're doing so well,and it shows me how it's
highlighting my failures intheir way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Because I can't match that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think insecure is definitely the
better word.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but at the end of it because you
know, jealous.
I feel like that's somethingthey say.
I don't want you to have thatthing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Because it makes me feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, and that could be a part
of it.
Yep, but that's very hateful,but I think they want you to
have it, but they want more forthemselves too, and if they had
more of themselves, then theywouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Yeah, it's a thin line.
Yeah, yeah, it's very blurryright there.
Yeah, literally, but that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
But if that person felt that way for you, they have
to.
They have a lot of healing forthemselves to do and can't be a
great partner to anybody if theyhave that mindset.
Yeah, because it's okay to feellike damn I should have been.
Or you can mindset, yeah,because it's okay to like damn I
should have been.
Or like you could feel like damn, I wanted that too.
Yeah, he got that before I did.
Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, that's apart of you.

(01:35:15):
But if that's a a strongfeeling, constantly like you,
that's a that's a damn feeling.
But you know everybody, you mayfeel something at the one like
bro, I'm hating, you know, yeah,and then you move on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
You'd be happy yeah, that should be coming real quick
from you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
I mean it's competitive, yeah yeah.
Yeah, like at a football game,you just beat our ass.
Yeah, yeah, that could bejealous, but at the same time I
wanted to win.
You know, what I mean, but ifthat's a long-lasting feeling
and you hate them because of it,yeah, yeah, yeah, that's some
stuff you got to hear mmm buthey, but, but you could be like

(01:35:49):
bro, I wanted that so bad, butthe best man one, yeah, yeah
there are definitely differentways of saying things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I guess yeah, it's just one of my things is just
like that jealousy shit and, ofcourse, like the, the, the, the
situations that I talked about,these aren't people who are just
like straight up, just likeevil people.
You know, but I just I do feellike huge big things, huge, huge

(01:36:23):
tragedies, huge shifts, andstarting or ending relationships
do start small and that shit isjust like a scary thing for me
to hear because it's kind oflike foreshadowing a little bit.
Yeah yeah but.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I think we did it.
Yeah, I think yeah.
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Here I am still slunk down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think we all got there I was trying to
fix it, knocking things over inthe middle of it.
But hey, we're here, we're atthe end of it.
Yeah.
Well, this is Two for theCulture, and we'll be back for
another episode.
I love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
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