October 13, 2025 • 51 mins
We race through a Dallas weekend into a candid talk on nightlife, money, and what makes a place feel like home, then pivot hard into intimacy, authenticity, and faith. We check our own blind spots, debate what “paying for it” really means, and sit with a family health scare that reframes it all.
• Dallas as a mature vibe vs Atlanta’s energy
• Andretti’s go-karts, brunch culture, and big Texas scale
• Travel ease, DC diversity, and planning future trips
• Family update on an 11-year-old nephew’s sudden paralysis
• Paying for sex vs courting: authenticity, risk, and intent
• Strip clubs, performance, and the cost vs price debate
• “You’re paying for it anyway” tested and challenged
• Self-righteousness, standards, and being honest about motives
• Spiritual vs religious frames and commitment to community
• Holding convictions without policing other people
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SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
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But I'm Justin Devontae.
I'm Steven Ray.
(00:33):
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focused on that, we should belike, like and subscribe.
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But yeah.
So um, how's your weekend, man?
SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Uh, it was good.
Uh, I went to Dallas.
Um, you know, it was dope.
Have you ever been toAndretti's?
I don't even know what that is.
Bruh, it's like this this umthis go-kart thing, but it's
like I I I had a subscriptionfor K1.
Not a subscription, but you knowwhat K1 is?
Uh I know it's a racing thing.
(01:08):
Uh I think.
Yeah, it's also a reallytalented music artist, too.
She's got a great thing.
SPEAKER_05 (01:13):
But I know that's not what you were saying.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Yeah.
But um, yeah, no, it's kind oflike it's kind of like Mario
Kart.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's really fun.
That shit was fun as hell.
SPEAKER_05 (01:25):
So you can rant run into people.
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
You're not supposed to.
Oh, okay.
But like you're going so fastthat you you can, and people
were spinning out.
I spun out once.
I made like two people spin out.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then at the end, I know Iman, I know I passed up so many
people, because it I'm thinkinglike like like uh uh uh uh uh
(01:48):
the person that was in front ofme.
As soon as I passed them, I waslike, all right, when I passed
them again, I know I won therace.
SPEAKER_05 (01:54):
Okay, so this was Andretti's, but you were just
referring to K1 as a reference.
Reference.
Okay, good.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
So Andretti's, I believe, is the uh the actual um
name of the franchise.
SPEAKER_05 (02:08):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (02:10):
So how how big is it?
Is it like it's like um like aquarter mile lap, or is it like
very like it's probably levels?
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Okay.
It's like two levels.
Okay.
So you kind of like go up andthen go down a bunch of swirls
and shit.
SPEAKER_05 (02:24):
How many minutes do you think it takes you to get to
the first lap?
Oh if you were guessing.
Maybe two.
Two two minutes?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, one to two minutes.
Which is like how many peopleare racing at one time?
Maybe like one, two, three,four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, seven.
Maybe twelve.
SPEAKER_05 (02:42):
Twelve people at one time?
Oh, that's a good amount.
How much were the tickets?
It was fifty.
That's a lot.
Oh god.
SPEAKER_01 (02:50):
No, no, no, fifty for two people.
Okay, okay, okay.
Okay, so that's that's coolthen.
Yeah, that's cool.
Okay, yeah.
I was thinking that too.
I'm like, 50 for was it reallyworth it?
Yeah.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
It was definitely, it wasdefinitely worth it.
That shit was cool as hell.
So I definitely recommend.
If I I don't know if Dallas isthe only place that they have
(03:11):
this, but um Andretti's isdefinitely fun for sure.
No, I'm spinning niggas out forreal.
SPEAKER_05 (03:18):
But you never checked out the night scene in
Dallas.
I didn't check out the nightscene.
Were you curious about it or notreally?
SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
Not really.
Okay.
I don't know.
I think like Atlanta played meout.
What you mean?
Just like I feel like for themost part, black people do one
thing.
And it's like like in terms oflike a main, like a staple.
A staple for going out on theweekend.
I could be wrong, but from whatI've seen, is like the staple
(03:47):
for going out for black peopleusually is place you pay to get
in, hookah, the the um, I don'tknow, this shit loud as fuck.
We all in here, it's crowded.
It's like the same thingeverywhere.
So like I don't usually chasethat, and I feel like that goes
(04:08):
into the nightlife scene.
So I'd rather do other things,like go-karts.
SPEAKER_05 (04:14):
Yeah, no, I understand.
That's like, you know, inNashville, you like, you know,
Broadway super commercial.
And it's still you like, hey, Idid it just to do it that day,
but you know, I know it's notfor me.
It's just checking the scene,the vibe.
Yeah, and it's a good indicatorof I like to see how the local
people look in a sense.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
Yeah, you know, um, like I said, being out there in
Dallas, uh, or when we talk likeoff podcast, but um I love
seeing the people there.
Even though like I wasn't liketoo much in the city, you could
tell who's here.
Okay.
And I could see myself there.
That shit got me written allover it.
(04:55):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
Like Atlanta was cool.
Um Atlanta radio is top tier,first of all.
But um Dallas just seems like anolder cousin who got the stuff
together.
SPEAKER_05 (05:12):
You don't feel that?
I would I feel like um Atlantais a Mecca for black people.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
No, absolutely.
So that's the truth, yeah.
It's Wakanda.
So yeah.
But I'm saying, like, it's awhole bunch of like I mean it's
it's it's it's a balance there,but Dallas just seems like I
don't know.
I I feel like Dallas seems likeit's more so my vibe than
Atlanta is.
SPEAKER_05 (05:37):
Yeah, and um, I haven't been to Dallas, so I
can't really disagree.
Um, I would love to go next timeif you go again.
Um definitely going back.
Yeah, yeah.
So we gotta plan something out.
Okay.
Yeah, to make sense.
Um, but uh, where is I goingwith this?
But uh yeah, Atlanta and placeslike Memphis to where it's like
when I step outside, it'smajority black.
(06:00):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
So I I don't know if Dallas fitsthat same mold.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
I'm sure that it does in certain areas.
Um, but you know, Dallas is likeknown for like the sports, the
football, and all this.
So you're gonna get a differentuh uh um the a crowd of people
who's not just black.
Okay, I got you.
But there, I mean, Dallas doesseem to me like it's depending
(06:29):
on where you go, it's very blackas well.
Like when I went out, I was onthe outskirts and they had these
brunch spots.
I guess brunch is like a superbig thing.
Um, you know, like here um uh ifyou go to somewhere, it's
usually like the same menu allthe time.
Um it's kind of like New Yorkout here.
(06:51):
It's like it doesn't reallysleep in some areas, but in
Dallas it seems like things arestructured for certain days.
So like Sundays or I meanSaturdays are like this is the
menu for Saturdays, andeverybody comes on Saturday
mornings.
It's very like you know, like umevery day is is probably
(07:12):
something different.
I don't know, they have adifferent type of uh cadence to
how they uh enjoy themselves.
I got you.
But uh no, I I I I really likedit out there.
Like I went out there, I couldtell.
Like I was just at a coffee shopand I was like, I could live
here.
SPEAKER_05 (07:28):
But coffee shops is your thing.
Yeah, but it's just like thepeople.
But I'm just saying, what aboutthe coffee shop that you loved?
SPEAKER_01 (07:35):
Um well again, like coffee shop.
I love coffee shops in general,but it it's just like the
people, the people there.
It just seemed like it's veryaligned with me, like who I am.
You know what I'm saying?
Atlanta seemed like a youngertype of vibe, even if there were
older people there, it justseemed like the vibe is just
younger.
But like Dallas seems like alittle bit more like mature?
(07:58):
A little bit, a little bit more.
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
Okay.
Uh yeah, I I'm just trying toget more specific on what you
mean by that.
Yeah, I don't think I'm quiteasking the right question.
No, I think that that's likewhat do you say?
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
What do I meant by like older cousin, like who got
their stuff together?
Yeah, but it's more mature.
SPEAKER_05 (08:16):
I'm just saying, what did you see to make you
come to that realization?
SPEAKER_00 (08:20):
Uh, just the people.
SPEAKER_05 (08:21):
Like, uh, did you see like damn everybody 40?
You know what I mean?
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Even if they're my age, it'sjust like a certain type of
dress.
Cause I mean, like, I feel likeAtlanta is like update to where
they're really dressed nice.
SPEAKER_00 (08:35):
They do.
SPEAKER_05 (08:35):
Yeah, so I that's what I'm saying.
I don't but you lived in Atlantaand not in Dallas, so you have a
different view of how things go.
Because the times I go toAtlanta, it's very, you know,
like it could be classist in away.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
So I I the way that you'redescribing gives me that same
type of feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Honestly, it's just like it's just like a little bit
less Y N energy.
SPEAKER_05 (09:02):
Okay.
Okay, so that's just that's justbecause you lived in Atlanta.
And yeah, because if you wasvisiting Atlanta, I don't I
don't get Y N energy.
Uh yeah.
But I've never lived there.
I've visited a million times.
So yeah, yeah.
I can see that.
I can see that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Yeah, it gives a little bit again, you know, it's
that's everywhere.
And I'm from Memphis, so likethat was like overdoing it.
Yeah, right.
But um, yeah, it's just like alittle bit less.
It's a little bit less.
Okay.
I feel like it's still black.
Again, I only went once.
But I could tell it's like ablack city.
(09:37):
Uh again, it's it's it's it'sit's a pool of people uh because
of how big the and again like afootball scene is just really
big.
Like, you know, you goeverywhere you see um it's the
things that have to do withfootball because you know the
Dallas Cowboys, and it's Texastoo.
And it's everything's bigger.
Oh my god.
The the um I don't know if Iwent to the mall, but I just
(09:59):
went to some places and like thebuildings are mass, like it's
just too much.
This is like I don't know, likewherever you would go, just
picture just times three.
Like, why is this Starbucks?
Why y'all got five bathrooms?
You don't need five bathrooms.
SPEAKER_05 (10:15):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Well, that was over exaggerated.
Okay, but I'm just saying, like,that's what it feels like.
The buildings are just massiveof things that here it would be
like maybe three times smaller.
It was just very like compact, Iguess.
SPEAKER_05 (10:31):
Yeah, and Dallas is very much oil money.
Yeah, it looked like it.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's it's very it could belike how I imagine it is how
Dubai there, you know, nowthey've I don't know if they
have much oil at all, but likethat's how it was built.
And and so Texas is very rich inoil, and actually California is
(10:51):
too, but um, there's just a lotof money that comes through
that.
And um, there's people that'sprobably billionaires that you
wouldn't even know.
And yeah, um, and because eventhe high schools, they have like
they have like Chick-fil-A's inthem.
What?
Like something crazy, like theygot like fast food in Dallas?
In high in Texas high school.
It's it's ridiculous.
(11:13):
Wow, I wow, okay.
Yeah, it's absolutely differentbrands.
Yeah, it's like going tocollege, like it's community
colleges for and probably moremore funding.
It's it's ridiculous.
Um, yeah, because they have likeathletic directors at high
schools.
And like who overprogram, youdon't have an athletic.
(11:35):
I'm sure you didn't have anathletic director in Memphis
City, Shepley kind of schools.
Uh I know we didn't director.
That's like uh a personappointed to over the sports,
over sports for that highschool.
So it's yeah, I don't think.
No, you just had a basketball,yeah, yeah.
That's what the yeah, yeah, thethe principal hired, the
basketball coach.
You know what I mean?
(11:56):
That's what it sounded like tome.
Yeah, yeah, but no, the athleticdirector is specifically over
all sports.
And but nonetheless, that's nota thing here in Tennessee.
Uh or unless it's a private, youknow, a private school or
something like maybe in WilsonCounty, but I've never heard of
an athletic director in umTennessee public schools.
But no, it sounded like a reallygreat time.
(12:17):
Yeah, because how how long wasyou there for?
Uh two days.
Okay, so that wasn't long atall.
No, not at all.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
Did it feel really quick?
Yeah, it did.
Like when I left, I felt like Ijust got on off the plane.
Okay.
So, but I did love is is oh mygod, I'm so used to doing like
four and five hour flights.
Anything that deals with a planeis just like a whole thing for
me.
And this time it was just likean hour.
I was on the plane.
(12:44):
And you know, like an hour on aplane is not really, it doesn't
feel like an hour.
If well, it was an hour like 25minutes.
Right.
But on a plane, it's the goingup, which is like what good 20
minutes or whatever.
And then it's the going down,which is like good 20, 30
minutes.
So like, you know, they we'redescending to Dallas.
(13:07):
And which means like the mid themiddle of it is what like 30, 30
minutes, 30, 40 minutes.
So it just went by very quickly.
I got you.
And that was so fire.
Like, I oh my god, like you haveto really figure out what you're
gonna do this whole flight everytime that I um came from Los
Angeles to Nashville to to seeKaya.
So that shit was just too much.
(13:28):
You know, I kind of I kind ofassociated uh uh uh flights with
that.
So just being on a flight inthat ho is just an hour and it's
it's right there.
I'm definitely going back.
Like that shit is but it'sprobably like it's probably like
that everywhere on this side ofthe US, you know, damn near.
Just like I how how long was itto get to DC when you went?
SPEAKER_05 (13:49):
Probably a little maybe an hour or so.
That's that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm I'm wanting to go to DCagain because DC was very
diverse.
Um I like that diversity,diverse of people that was
there.
Um it was yeah, so I really wantto see it for real.
Um so it was fine.
And I and the brunch, the brunchI had, I have to find where that
(14:11):
brunch spot was.
But like when I it was like anall-you-can-eat brunch, and
everything on the menu was fire.
So good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like like yeah, like salmon,eggs, you know, pancakes, bacon,
like everything.
It was just like one set, and itwas all you can drink memosas,
too.
So it was it was lit, it was agood time.
(14:32):
Um, so I really want to see thecity again.
Yeah.
Um, so I'm I'm want to take oneof those ships.
And then I want to see my nephewuh more importantly, and I think
that's a good way to um becauseI don't know if you know that my
my nephew's kind of wheelchairbound.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So it's just one of those thingsthat like just you know, they I
(14:53):
don't I have to talk to mysister or my mom about it more,
but um to my understanding, theydon't know the reason why it's
causing, but he's unable towalk, and he has been there for
a while.
Nobody knows why.
There's not even a reason.
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
I'll be mad.
Uh if you were my nephew.
Yeah, there's not even a reason.
Yeah.
I'm just not walking.
SPEAKER_05 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah, I know, right?
Like it wasn't just like youwake up one, it was essentially
like, you know, he was uh likethere's lesions on his brains.
So there's yeah, so he and thenhe was kind of like just put in
the hospital because he wasn'tfeeling well, kind of slurring
his words.
What age?
He is 11.
So he's he is 11 now.
(15:33):
Yes.
So what oh he was 11, 11.
I mean, this was like a coupleof months ago, type of thing.
He just got wheelchair bound.
I mean, a couple of months ago,yeah.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
So he just woke up, words were slurring.
I mean, he he was walking, buthe needed help.
Like But he was walking beforethen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He ran track.
SPEAKER_05 (15:54):
So he ran track and he just woke up one day, slurred
his words, and now he's hewasn't feeling well, and then
then it became more progressiveuntil he got to the hospital.
That's man, we're and then hewoke he woke up out of the
hospital not being able to walk.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
That's crazy.
Crazy.
We're so blessed.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Like, but anything could just begone, bro.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (16:19):
I appreciate you, God.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
And so now that the doctors haveno idea, so it's like this may
be where he's at.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm I pray for him every day,pray for a miracle, ask the
church for a prayer for him.
Yeah, a audience out there, prayfor him, Carlos.
Yeah, uh be careful with thehands.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, it's wobbling the thing.
(16:40):
Yep, yeah, I appreciate that.
So um, so that's the thing, butno, I I haven't seen him since
it's happened, so I do want todo that.
So that's probably uh DC one.
And you're more than welcome tocome too if you want.
But yeah, DC would be fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But um, so I'm gonna probablyget a hotel there or Airbnb and
(17:01):
then Dallas.
That's been on my list too.
So, how you want to start off?
You want to start off a littlefun, or do you want to start off
with like this the relationship?
Like they're both kind ofrelationship-ish, but one is
like more silly than the otherones.
So let's let's go um all theway.
Yeah, whatever.
Okay, I choose, yeah, just 100%.
(17:22):
Okay, would you ever pay forcooch?
No.
Okay, why not?
I don't think so.
Why not?
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Um it just seems like if I were if if I were to
pay for um if I were to pay forsex, basically, it seems whack.
I don't know.
It seems like I have no game.
It feels like and I told youbefore, like, you know, um,
(17:56):
where I stay, they have a bardownstairs, right?
So and then I was sitting thereone day and a girl came up and
then she said, um, hey, um, itwas like a movie.
It was it was just like a movie.
I'm gonna try to sum this upreal quick for the podcast
anyway.
But um the bar, it was it wasdamn near like two or three
people at this bar, and it wasvery vacant on my side.
(18:20):
And I sat down, and that day Ichose to like dress up a little
bit.
Because you know, like you'reyou're in if the bar is
downstairs, you have a choice tojust like go down with shirt and
shorts or just dress up, andthat day I chose to dress up,
sat down.
Girl walks up right next to me,sits down right next to me.
I'm like, hey, hey, blah sayblah.
SPEAKER_05 (18:42):
One out of ten, what is she?
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
You know, she was like she was like a 7.5.
SPEAKER_05 (18:49):
Okay, did she give uh prostitute vibes?
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
No, okay, no, cute girl, um dressed nice, yep, sat
down, and then um uh eventuallyshe just said, Hey, so do you
want to have fun?
I was like, Yeah.
You think you play MonopolyUpstairs?
I got Jenga.
SPEAKER_05 (19:12):
Did she pull out a tic-tac-toe uh sheet of papers?
Just my speed.
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
Um, I'm sorry.
She said, You know, did you wantto have fun?
And I was like, Yeah, but to me,I I I thought she was talking,
because again, like what you'resaying, would you would you ever
pay for cooch?
This is nowhere near something Iwould ever think about ever.
So I'm not even I'm not eventhere.
She said, Do you want to havefun?
I'm thinking, like, oh, you wantto go out, you want to see
Nashville.
You know, like, all right, youwant to have fun, but you want
(19:38):
me to pay for it.
All right, and then I had goneout.
You that's when I just movedhere.
So, like when I was at yourcareer, I was going everywhere,
right?
Then I had to pay that rent, andI'm like, I'm gonna just stay in
the house.
And um uh uh uh uh yeah, and Ithought that that's what she was
saying, but she was actuallytalking about the other thing.
(19:59):
And I was just like, Yeah, wecan have fun, whatever.
She said, Yeah, as long as youtake care of me.
And then I'm like, all right,cool.
So I guess you want to gosomewhere and me pay for it.
Did you ask more questions likethat?
I no, I was just like, Yeah,yeah, yeah.
After a second, she said itagain.
She said, Yeah, as long as youtake care of me.
I'm like, you don't gotta say ittwice in my head.
(20:19):
I'm like, you don't gotta saythat twice.
So I'm like, Yeah, what youmean?
Like you want to go to I thinkshe's about to name places she
wants to go to let me know theprice or something, you know, in
her own way.
Like, I want to go to thesteakhouse and da da da.
But she said, Yeah, you know, aslong as you take care of me, and
she did the little money sign.
I'm like, what do you mean bythat?
(20:42):
And then she said, um, you know,just like, and then I realized
everything in that moment.
It was like, oh, you want me topay for the for the oh I got
you.
I was like, oh, literally, like,this is in front of the girl.
I'm like, I ain't never had thisbefore.
I'm like, oh right on her face.
(21:04):
I'm like, oh, um, I was like,nah, I don't do that.
She was like, you don't want totry it with me?
She was really trying.
I was like, nah, nah, that ain'tmy thing, or whatever.
She was like, oh, okay.
And I followed her, she followedme, and it was nothing but
(21:25):
OnlyFans on her whole like page.
And then right after that, dude,you could you you you could say
we was friends for real.
Because people that walked up,she was like, he's a trick.
I was like, don't get the trickin there.
Let's see, let's see if he is.
And she did.
And she was like, Hey, what areyou guys doing today?
There's a dude and a girl.
They were like, no, we justseeing the town.
(21:46):
She was like, Oh, that's Iwanted to as well.
Like, uh, you mind if I comewith?
It was like, sure, she left.
She left right then and there.
But um I just say that to say,you know, I I I don't I don't
see myself paying for that.
Yeah, I don't, I don't see it.
Now I I I don't know.
I don't know what I've donerandom things before in my life,
(22:10):
so I don't want to just say likenever, I'll never do it, and da
da da.
But it takes the fun out ofeverything, it takes the
excitement.
It's like, it's like if we goplay basketball and right before
we play, you pay to win, andthen you won the game.
Like, what's the point ofplaying?
(22:32):
I got you.
You you see what I'm saying?
Yeah, it just takes it takeseverything out of it.
SPEAKER_05 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's a a differentanalogy for it.
Uh, but you did hear about thenew Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I don't
think that quite fit.
I don't know if yeah.
Yeah, but did you hear the newsabout Sweetie?
Mm-mm.
Okay, to where like a prettymuch a madam, which was like a
pretty much uh uh it's like afemale pimp in a way, but it's
(22:58):
like more um upscale.
Uh but nonetheless, uh she'skind of out in Sweetie for being
an escort, pretty much.
Yeah, so that's how she now isthat true?
I have no idea, but that'sessentially what's happened.
Like, hey, you didn't pay me,you ran off with your um your
(23:19):
client because you fell in loveand he didn't and you told him
not to pay me.
I don't know how she would haveknown that that sweetie was the
one, you know what I mean?
Yeah, so you know, so I don'teven know if that's true or not.
But does things change at all ifa a sweetie was on the table?
SPEAKER_01 (23:36):
Uh is the if I'm kind of confused about what you
just said.
Okay.
She who paid for what?
Who uh so a madam was outingsweetie.
A madam was outing sweetie sosweetie is not the madam.
So a madam was outing sweetie.
SPEAKER_05 (23:51):
Exactly.
For not paying, paying um sheowed money to uh to the madam.
Sweetie did.
And madam is the pimp.
Exactly for one of her peopleunder her.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
So sweetie's under her, um, andshe's booking out clients for
her to go on dates on slash havesex with.
(24:14):
I don't know the details ofthat.
But um, but uh from how thestory is being told.
Why would Sweetie pay for it?
She's not paying for it.
She's the escort.
SPEAKER_01 (24:25):
Sweetie is the escort.
Exactly.
Oh, oh, the okay, so the madamis the pimp of sweetie.
Exactly.
Oh.
Okay, yeah.
And she didn't pay her herpercentage.
SPEAKER_05 (24:38):
I I don't know the exact details of the funding.
Yeah, yeah, but that's what umalleged.
So the madam's saying, Sweetie,you owe me money.
And I tried to run that throughyou, you said no, so now I'm out
on you.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
It's it's gonna be water under the bridge.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (24:55):
But but yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, however
that worked.
But what I'm saying is, nowO'Girl wasn't uh as beautiful as
Sweetie was.
Yeah, facts.
Okay, because you did Sweetie istop tier.
Fine, yeah.
Okay.
She definitely so now if O'Girlhad um was Sweetie fine and had
the prices of what her pricewas, because she's not sweetie,
(25:18):
so but she looked like her, hadyou know, regular, you know,
average pricing, would that havechanged anything for you?
No, even if she still had herpersonality, like, hey, we're
becoming friends.
SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
I got you.
It takes a lot out of it.
It's like, I don't know, it'slike I'm chilling with this
person that I paid time for.
So you feel like a little bit ofyou laughing at this joke for
real.
Okay.
Or is it because I just paidyou?
SPEAKER_05 (25:47):
Have you been to the strip club before?
Yes.
It's not your thing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Okay.
No, I went with um I went two,three times.
It was in the same time frameand then once, not in that same
time frame.
But um yeah, you know, you walkin, it's just it's I don't know.
It's like if I had an abundanceof money to where it wouldn't
(26:16):
matter, and like these girlscould be my friends, versus like
I'm going in here looking forass and titties, basically.
Yeah, if these were just like myfriends and you know, they work
in or whatever, I could seemyself maybe being in
environments like that becauseof that more than I want to go
and see some girls and becausewhen you walk everything,
(26:39):
everything is fake to me.
Like, hey daddy, um the youknow, what you doing at the like
rubbing on me and you justtrying to get some money, you
know.
SPEAKER_05 (26:49):
Yeah, but what if you come into that knowing that?
That's what I'm saying.
I mean that I mean that's so Ifeel you keep in mind, I I we
pretty much align very closely.
I feel like you're on adifferent tier I am, but like if
you're on S tier, I'm on A.
Like Yeah, I'm uh in terms oflike paying for cooch.
But I mean, yeah, that's like ifyou go to a steakhouse, they
(27:13):
ain't always they ain't nicebecause you know that's who they
are in nature.
They there's a customer servicething, so they're gonna be nice
and polite most of the time.
Yeah.
So I get it.
The explanation you're giving islike, yeah, what are they
supposed to be like assholes?
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
I get uh yeah, that's facts.
That's that's a nice way to saythat.
But I I just don't like I don'tlike paying for something that's
supposed to be natural.
To me, it's supposed to benatural.
Like if a girl likes me, it'ssupposed to be natural for me.
I don't want you, I don't wantto pay for like you to blink
(27:48):
your eyes at me, you know what Imean?
Or make me feel like you want meor whatever.
SPEAKER_05 (27:52):
So you think it's BS to where like how men used to
say, and they probably still saythis, you're paying it for it in
some type of manner orsomething.
Oh god.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
No, that's not BS.
That's true.
Okay, so you were talking aboutsweetie.
I was like, I mean, we do payfor it in some types of.
SPEAKER_05 (28:07):
Okay, so I feel like now you're kind of um going
against your point when you saythat.
Because I disagree with thatwhen people say that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
How?
SPEAKER_05 (28:16):
Um, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
Um I don't okay, so I have it's more, it's more of a
moral thing.
Just like I don't want to pay,like if I had to pay for which
is I'm over-exaggerating, but ifI had to pay for this podcast
for you to act like my friend,it's just not natural.
It's not, it's weird to me.
You know what I'm saying?
(28:40):
So that's the same thing with awoman.
You know, if I pay for this andthen now we like vibe, and or if
I go to a strip club and then Igive you a couple ones or
whatever, or hundreds, then youknow, now you all on me and you
saying these things that I liketo hear, but it's fake because I
just paid for it.
But uh, but it but it's it'sit's blatant, is what I'm
saying.
It's just outrighttransactional.
(29:03):
It that, yeah, it's a hundredpercent transactional.
I do believe though, though,even though I feel like that,
that we do pay for it in otherways.
If I buy a girl a flight to comeout here, she better give me
some.
Not better, but you know whatI'm saying?
Like, am I gonna inspect it?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm definitely gonna inspect it.
(29:24):
If I see a pretty girl orwhatever, and we hit it off, not
even hit it off, this is beforethat stage.
If I'm taking her out to thesefancy dinners and you know, uh
let's stop at fancy dinners.
If if we go to like three orfour fancy dinners and we get to
know each other, we could havedone it over the phone, but just
(29:44):
because if if I'm thinking aboutwhat you're saying, those three
or four fancy dinners, I did payto like kind of get to know you
in a way.
I did, I did pay.
For that.
So like if we do move move tothe next step, she could be
like, Yeah, he's nice.
(30:05):
He took me here, here, here,here, here.
In a way, if you want to onpaper, you can say as a devil's
advocate, you can say I did payfor that in some type of form or
manner.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like the the my difference iswhen it's so blatant, it's just
like, all right, one, two,three, four, five, all right,
(30:25):
cool.
So we fucking like that.
It's just like two, it's tooblatant.
So I need um I don't know, therethere, there's this version of
courting and all that, and it'sa it's a very blurred line, but
we do pay.
We do pay for that.
Okay, so some type of way.
SPEAKER_05 (30:45):
So if I'm going by your logic, then it makes more
sense for me to pay for it.
Because now it's it's not it'svery you know exactly what
you're getting.
I don't have to skew by like,hey, maybe I'll get and have the
fun, you know.
Maybe because what if you payfor the flight and she doesn't
like you this person y'all meetfor the first time and she
(31:07):
doesn't like you?
So now you feel like hey, I paidfor this whole thing and I
didn't get what I wanted out ofthis.
I wouldn't be like that though.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, youyou you even though you didn't
you uh even though you didn'tmean like you I bet her or
whatever, that's theexpectation.
She's fine.
Hopefully, I have sex with her.
Obviously, like if I didn't payfor a flight to get to to uh see
(31:30):
her, not just in person, Iwanted some out, I want some
cooch.
Yeah, and that's essentiallykind of what you just said.
Like, hey, not this is not aguarantee, but it's damn near.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, that the theprobability is high.
Probability is high, yeah.
So I mean, if I'm going by thatlogic, then I w might as well
know that my probability is thehighest.
(31:51):
Like, there's no there's no funand games.
Definitely if that's what Iwant.
So that's but that's why Idisagree with like you're paying
for it to a certain degree, islike yeah, but um if I actually
I like you, like is the reasonwhy I'm paying for it.
I'm not paying for it because Ijust want this thing.
I like you, and I want to, andwe want I want to have fun with
(32:14):
you, is the reason why I pay forthe date or whatever.
Yeah, it's not just to getcooch.
Now that comes with it, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
That's a say that's another way of saying it.
SPEAKER_05 (32:24):
But at the end of the day, not really because I'm
gonna spend money to further athe relationship.
Yeah, yeah, and having a goodtime together and getting to
know one another.
That don't mean I'm out havingsex with them.
And that that's not always mygoal.
And that's majority of the time,that's not really my goal.
(32:44):
Right.
It's not I'm not paying for thedate because I want some cooch.
I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
I'm just saying on paper, on paper, Justin paid for
this, this, this, this, andthis, and at the end of the
night, this happened in someform of way of you looking at
that entire situation, you didpay for it.
In some form.
I'm just saying, like, I'm notsaying in every every aspect,
every instance, I'm not a guywho just like goes out on
(33:13):
dinners with women just to, youknow, do that with them.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying there aredifferent ways to look at every
single situation.
So if I if you were to fly agirl out just to know her and
she happens to give you some,you could say that, like, no, I
didn't do that for that.
I just wanted to get to knowher, and da-da-da.
(33:36):
But on paper, somebody couldsay, you just pay for this and
this and this, and then you gotthat.
Results are here.
SPEAKER_05 (33:43):
Yeah, but I'm not on the internet enough.
So the my mentality is like thewhole flight thing.
It's like I'm not on theinternet enough to meet somebody
online like that, like from adifferent state.
That got nothing to do with whatI'm saying.
Well, it it does because howelse I'm gonna meet somebody
from a different state and tofly that.
I'm saying, like, I'm saying Iprobab I'm trying to say I'm not
(34:05):
wanting to make a guarantee andsay that I'm paying for
somebody's flight, but odds areI that's probably not happening.
Yeah, yeah, it's just not I'mnot in places to where that
makes sense.
I don't I can barely hold aconversation long enough to to
text and call somebody I'venever met before.
That's just like not, I mean,I'm not saying that's
(34:25):
impossible, but my my attentionspan doesn't last that long.
I'm very disinterested.
Like, that's what why like soyou would much rather just just
pay for it.
Uh no, I'm not I I told you I'mon the same plane as you in
terms of that.
Like, to whereas, like, hey, meexchanging that energy with you,
it's like I gotta really likeyou, and I don't like to be kind
(34:49):
of like, hey, you doing this formoney, that doesn't make me feel
good at all.
Yeah, yeah, because there's likea risk that I want to have,
like, hey, you did the, youknow, you allowed me to enter in
a sense.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But for you, it's like very hoeish in a manner, and a lot of
men in in that.
Now I'm running the risk of youknow what I mean, disease.
(35:10):
This you're probably withholdingsome things from me.
Yeah, you know, it I mean, it'ssinning in nature, and now I'm
paying for the sin.
You know what I mean?
Like innocent, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like it's a lot of toomany factors to where it's like
I don't want to always guaranteeit because there's I mean, I I
ain't the wisest, you know whatI mean?
(35:30):
So somebody can run game and belike, bruh, you know what I
mean?
Like, dang, I don't know how sheconvinced me to give it up, and
I did.
So I always want to be like,don't want to make sure I'm like
that naive to think that I'mlike not gullible in a sense,
but and I've never have, andthat's not a thing that
interests interests me.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
(35:51):
I am on if you're S tier towhere you're like, bruh, I've
it's absolute not happening, I'mprobably in the A.
Yeah, yeah.
So to where I don't believe thatif you're spending money um on a
date, that means that you'repaying for an interstate degree.
I just that's how I justdisagree.
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
I I'm just saying I I don't go into things looking
like that or looking for that.
Yeah, like I'm I'm a very like Isay, I I I love love.
So like I like theconversations, I like the taking
a girl out.
I I I love all that.
So I don't necessarily look atit like I'm gonna get some at
the end of the night,da-da-da-da.
(36:30):
But I could see though, ifsomebody was to tell me, bro,
you know you just pay for this,this, and this, you did kind of
like pay for it in a way.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Like, I'm not like that, but Ican see how somebody can say
that.
And because I'm not like that,the other way of being so
(36:51):
blatant, just like sitting down,is so transactional.
Yeah, I don't see myself.
SPEAKER_05 (36:57):
Yeah, because yeah, like, and even um, because
there's times to where like Imet somebody online and she
didn't care to go out at all,you know.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was like, I didn't payanything.
Like, like, is that yeah, yeah,yeah.
Well, I wouldn't even say that.
That's like, well, I mean, yeah,she did, but um that's not the
(37:17):
reason why she didn't go out,she just didn't care to.
She'd rather stay at home andyeah, and whatever.
So, so I'm saying that is like,okay, so I got it for the free.
Like, is that by your logic?
You're like, yeah, dang.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's why I said it's soI I just don't like that the
idea of like, hey, you're payingfor a certain degree.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
It's like, nah, that's that's how I like that
more though.
Like not doing anything andsomething happens.
SPEAKER_05 (37:44):
No, I think that I feel you, and I it's not like
I'm just don't understand howthat that idea comes about, but
also look like it's like youwant me to be on your level in
terms of paying for things, youknow, like you you because you
pay for cooch, you want to tryto justify my head on why it's
okay in a sense.
Yeah, like no, we we we it'sdifferent planes here, yeah,
(38:07):
yeah.
Yeah, so don't try to stoop meto your level by trying to
justify what I do versus whatyou do.
And it's it's like you rememberwhen we talked about like you
know, like the spiritual, likeit even though we're going uh
completely left, but when wetalk about like spiritual versus
religious, it's like bro, justsay you you just say you don't
want to go to church, you know,you know what I mean?
(38:29):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what itis.
Like, just say you pay for coochand you enjoy it because you
want it's easy, it makes sense.
Yeah, it's what for whateverreason, you're like, Yeah, I'm
I'm different.
Now you can disagree or agree,but I'm just saying that's how I
feel.
Yeah um yeah, was that fun?
Yeah, that was cool.
(38:49):
Uh so when as I was even sayingit, um talking about this, it uh
my brother brought up a point,and I felt like I was doing it
even at this moment.
Um he was just we was on a phonecall with me, my mom, and my
sister.
And I feel like we should do alot more of those because it's
very interesting and fun.
(39:10):
But he was like, um, he's hedates a lady now, and um uh like
he's dating.
Like I when I say a lady now,like it's like he's dating
something other than that.
But yeah, so uh he was like, youknow, she was asking or her her
friends that the lady she'sdating, her friends said, Um, do
you have any do you have anysiblings or any brothers?
(39:31):
My bad.
I help feel like I'm hitting thetable.
You are yeah, she's like, Do youhave you know, do you have any
uh siblings?
And he's like, Yeah, I have alittle brother, but he's a
little bit self-righteous, youknow.
And then I thought about it, andI was like, Okay, you know, so
before I fit how I go on to feelabout myself, do you agree that
(39:53):
I'm a bit self-righteous?
I got you.
I'm already here.
Yeah, yeah.
So self-righteous is an attitudeand belief of moral superiority
derived from a person deemingtheir own beliefs, actions, or
fit affiliations to be ofgreater virtue than those of the
average person.
Yes, okay, so you believe I'mself-righteous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(40:13):
So I agree with that, you know,like and as I'm licking in it
and I'm trying to, you know,trying to understand it
biblically, it's definitely anegative in it to a certain
degree.
And I was like, okay, I need tokind of straddle away from that
(40:34):
because then I feel like I'mputting myself at a higher
pedestal than everybody else,and I do that to a certain
degree, but that's probably notthe best attitude.
Because it's like that's even asI discuss it, it's like I try to
remain humble and I think I dosomewhat of a good job, but I do
have this element ofself-righteousness in me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, so I was just really kind ofgetting wanting your take on it.
(40:58):
You're like, yeah, yeah.
But also I try to derive mystance biblically.
Like I want to have it biblicalrealism in a sense.
It's like, all right, so mystandards are biblical, but also
I'm real to everybody's nature.
Yeah, yeah.
Like when I talk about even thespiritual versus religious, it's
(41:21):
like I get I get it, but I Idisagree.
Because I know it, I I can seewhat's going on for real.
Um, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm real in that way, andI'm get getting to the point.
And I feel like we do whathappens is we try to justify our
behavior and to make ourselvesfeel good.
(41:42):
But I know myself, I'm notperfect, obviously, and we're
all not.
So just be real about who weare, dear.
SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
So I think I think um uh I think you come into it
thinking like that, but itdoesn't play out like that.
Okay.
So like even the the thereligion versus the the
spiritual thing, I feel like itdoesn't it doesn't really matter
(42:09):
what anybody says.
It's kind of like you have acertain specific way of looking
at this, and if you step outsidethis box, then that's the go-to
like, well, you just might aswell say that you don't like
church.
That's not it though.
It's like we we could be lookingat the same thing, but just have
(42:33):
two different viewpoints, and itcould be like the same answer in
two different ways.
But I I feel like sometimesit'll be like that.
It'll be like if I don't saylike one, two, or three, then
all right, well, you over herethen versus like well, me in a
sense where I'm like I can kindof understand like what's just
(42:56):
more of an open mind basically,than like a strict closed box, I
guess.
So I I don't know.
I think that's where the wholeself-righteousness comes from in
a way, because like if you ain'tinside this box, then you over
there.
And I think that's that's wherepeople can kind of say about
that whole self-righteous shit.
SPEAKER_05 (43:17):
I I yeah, and I feel like it definitely comes off
that way.
And I I agree, it definitelydoes.
Um the reason the place where Iland on it is it's like we like
I just mentioned, we like to lieto ourselves and make ourselves
feel good.
Because when when I like divedeeper on the point of why
they're not going to church orwhy they do this thing, it it
(43:40):
gets a little bit interesting,like, okay, if that's the case
if if you if it's not becauseyou don't want to go to church
or exchange energy with a lot ofpeople and want to spend the
time, it's like okay, then whywon't you make the hour
commitment?
Yeah, and and then you start,you know, and then you when you
keep on diving a little bitdeeper, it's it's bigger than
I'm just spiritual.
Yeah, yeah, it's bigger thanthat.
(44:01):
You know, it's like, hey, Ibelieve, because spiritual is
like I believe there's a being,but you also don't want because
I can feel like in that in thatif you want to dive a little bit
deeper on that, that can beself-righteous because I feel
like there's a being in hey, Iknow I'm a good person, so I'm
gonna live by what I feel isgood.
(44:21):
It's like you yeah, but we havethere's a biblical when I talk
about biblical standards towhere it's like I feel the
self-righteousness a little bitin my for myself, but also
there's a standard to where Ilive in.
But if you're going by your ownstandards, then that's
self-righteous.
Yeah, yeah, because you can saywhat's good or bad, you know,
like hey, hey, they talk abouthomosexuality in the church.
(44:44):
It's like, hey, I don't, youknow, I don't dislike anybody
who's gay and I wish everybodywell and I love everybody, but
if they're saying, hey, this iswrong, then that's the standard
I gotta live by.
Rather, I feel like, you knowwhat I mean, how that looks or
anything like that.
So I feel like that'sself-righteous when you talk
about spirituality in that way.
Yeah, because of sense of andand and not you want to make
(45:05):
sure that you're on the righttrack.
So if you're saying, hey, Idon't believe in uh Jesus
Christ, all right.
Well, is do you but you believethere's an ultimate being, so
why don't you try to look forthat?
So so there's a standard,whether that's Hindu, Muslim, or
Islam, or you know Jewish youknow culture, whatever.
You know what I mean?
(45:26):
So I feel like it's just an easyway to say, hey, I believe in
God, but I I want to do my ownthing.
SPEAKER_01 (45:33):
And people I can I can sort of understand that.
SPEAKER_05 (45:37):
Yeah, so so that's why, yeah.
So I was like, yeah, at least Ihave a standard, whether I I
follow that to a hundred percentdegree or I fall short or
whatever, there's a standard orcode to where I align with.
So when I when I see that you'rebut you're kind of on my you're
on the train then you kind oflike along the train or believe
(45:58):
the train I'm in, but you're notwilling to commit 100%.
It's like bro, you lying toyourself.
Just say you don't want to go toyou know what I mean?
I it's not always just becausewhat and I'm gonna use an
example, and we're it's gonna befall probably um uh all the way
left, but I'm gonna use itbecause it's what's coming to my
head.
Is like when they talk aboutwhen Charlie Charlie Kirk when
(46:20):
he when he was assassinated, andyou have all the yeah, yeah, all
the conspiracy theories on whyit's because of this, it's
because of that.
And we're like, if this is ifthis is true and he was
assassinated for a specificreason and it just wasn't some
random guy that planned it, um,then it's probably more than
just one reason on why you dosix.
(46:41):
So when when you talk about likea box, it's like I feel I feel
that and I kind of agree, butthere's probab there's gonna be
more than just one reason on whysomebody does one thing.
Like there's yeah, so like forCharlie Kirk, it's like it
wasn't just because you know uhthey believed that he was gonna
be president, so they wanted toget him out early or whatever.
(47:03):
It's probably multiple reasonson why you know um on why they
did this thing.
And so that's where I land withcertain things is why you do
what you do.
It's not because hey, you don'twant to go to church, it's also
because you got things that youthink is um that's that you feel
like is more important whetheryou would say that or not.
(47:24):
Yeah.
It it could probably be severalreasons why you don't go.
So I was like, just be real withyourself in a way.
SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Yeah, no, that that that is a fact as well, um with
all that, especially thespirituality versus like the
religion thing.
Um I hate that we landed therebecause that's not where I get
you.
Um but yeah, I I I can see whatyou mean.
Both both sides can have acertain sense of the
(47:54):
righteousness in a way.
Yeah, both both sides candefinitely have that, or um
different reasons of standingtheir ground on that.
So I I I I get what you'resaying in a way.
SPEAKER_05 (48:09):
Yeah, so but yeah, in terms of um but I also don't
want to come off that I'm betterthan somebody else.
Even though I like I use the umI've used uh like the lion
mindset, like lions don'tcompare their to a sheep or
whatever.
(48:29):
That was more so like a mindsetthat is like, hey, don't let
these little things bother youbecause at the end of the day,
it's not gonna really matter.
These opinions.
So that's the mindset you have,but that don't mean that I think
that they're little sheep andthey're beneath me.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
Yeah, no, I feel like you're more so um still
like sort of with like with thebox thing, but you can still
hang out and talk to everybody.
It's really just if somebodyasks you your opinion or not.
And then that's when I thinkthose other things come up of
people saying, or like yourbrother saying, like
self-righteousness did it.
You don't like just come offlike that.
(49:08):
It's literally just when I askyou a question, yeah, yeah,
right.
And then you open up and belike, well, actually don't fuck
with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, and that's um, I thinkthat's where all that comes
from.
But still you're like you'reyou're you're having
conversations with these people.
It's not like uh it's not likethis is.
SPEAKER_05 (49:26):
Like I'm trying to tell somebody how they should
live.
SPEAKER_01 (49:29):
Right.
And this is probably gonna soundway left, but like having a
grandma like in the 90s, like90s or super early 2000s, like
that shit is like it's wetalking about boxes, like you
cannot tell.
Uh I mean she she passed now, sorest in peace is my my
grandmother.
But like you can't tell nograndmama but nothing.
(49:53):
Like outside of the Bible andoutside of the religion, outside
of what it's over with.
Like, no, you sinning.
What the fuck are you doing?
You know what I'm saying?
It's very strict, very, very,very strict.
And you're not like that, youknow what I'm saying?
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A grandmother's not finna have aconversation with you about
(50:14):
anything other than Jesus.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (50:17):
And I guess what since we have, you know, this is
obviously a public podcast, andif this gets bigger, I don't
want to be like people are Dr.
Umar in me.
You know what I mean?
To where it's like how Dr.
Umar doesn't believe it, youknow, um a black people should
be with black people, you knowwhat I mean?
Yeah, so yeah, but he's notgonna come up to a uh a mixed
(50:38):
couple and be like, bruh, youdoing wrong.
You know, he's probably gonnajust let it be.
Unless they ask him.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (50:44):
Can't can you hear me on here?
SPEAKER_05 (50:45):
Uh I feel like something's kicked off, but uh
but I mean we're we're prettymuch wrapping up anyway.
So we're good to go.
We're good.
All right, yeah.
I think that I think we did itanyway.
SPEAKER_00 (50:56):
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_05 (50:57):
That's there we go.
Nice working.
What's what happened?
I don't know.
But we're good.
SPEAKER_01 (51:02):
Uh oh, I just can't hear me.
SPEAKER_05 (51:04):
Okay, all right.
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back with anotherepisode.
We'll be back.
Yes, sir.
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
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Uh Stephen Ray, uh, I can't really hear.
Can you hear me?
Uh oh yeah, I can hear you.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Okay, all right.
Whatever.
SPEAKER_05 (00:12):
Yeah, we want to clap again.
Uh no, we're good.
We good.
Well, we did it.
Okay, well let's we can justclap again and delete it out.
Uh it's it's already synced.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, well, just clapping inthis I got you.
Uh no worries.
Well, you get a little bit ofthe behind the scenes.
But I'm Justin Devontae.
I'm Steven Ray.
(00:33):
And we are back.
Uh I feel like we should, youknow, now that YouTube and we're
focused on that, we should belike, like and subscribe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hit the bell notification.
But yeah.
So um, how's your weekend, man?
SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Uh, it was good.
Uh, I went to Dallas.
Um, you know, it was dope.
Have you ever been toAndretti's?
I don't even know what that is.
Bruh, it's like this this umthis go-kart thing, but it's
like I I I had a subscriptionfor K1.
Not a subscription, but you knowwhat K1 is?
Uh I know it's a racing thing.
(01:08):
Uh I think.
Yeah, it's also a reallytalented music artist, too.
She's got a great thing.
SPEAKER_05 (01:13):
But I know that's not what you were saying.
SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Yeah.
But um, yeah, no, it's kind oflike it's kind of like Mario
Kart.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's really fun.
That shit was fun as hell.
SPEAKER_05 (01:25):
So you can rant run into people.
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
You're not supposed to.
Oh, okay.
But like you're going so fastthat you you can, and people
were spinning out.
I spun out once.
I made like two people spin out.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then at the end, I know Iman, I know I passed up so many
people, because it I'm thinkinglike like like uh uh uh uh uh
(01:48):
the person that was in front ofme.
As soon as I passed them, I waslike, all right, when I passed
them again, I know I won therace.
SPEAKER_05 (01:54):
Okay, so this was Andretti's, but you were just
referring to K1 as a reference.
Reference.
Okay, good.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
So Andretti's, I believe, is the uh the actual um
name of the franchise.
SPEAKER_05 (02:08):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_05 (02:10):
So how how big is it?
Is it like it's like um like aquarter mile lap, or is it like
very like it's probably levels?
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
Okay.
It's like two levels.
Okay.
So you kind of like go up andthen go down a bunch of swirls
and shit.
SPEAKER_05 (02:24):
How many minutes do you think it takes you to get to
the first lap?
Oh if you were guessing.
Maybe two.
Two two minutes?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, one to two minutes.
Which is like how many peopleare racing at one time?
Maybe like one, two, three,four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, seven.
Maybe twelve.
SPEAKER_05 (02:42):
Twelve people at one time?
Oh, that's a good amount.
How much were the tickets?
It was fifty.
That's a lot.
Oh god.
SPEAKER_01 (02:50):
No, no, no, fifty for two people.
Okay, okay, okay.
Okay, so that's that's coolthen.
Yeah, that's cool.
Okay, yeah.
I was thinking that too.
I'm like, 50 for was it reallyworth it?
Yeah.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
It was definitely, it wasdefinitely worth it.
That shit was cool as hell.
So I definitely recommend.
If I I don't know if Dallas isthe only place that they have
(03:11):
this, but um Andretti's isdefinitely fun for sure.
No, I'm spinning niggas out forreal.
SPEAKER_05 (03:18):
But you never checked out the night scene in
Dallas.
I didn't check out the nightscene.
Were you curious about it or notreally?
SPEAKER_01 (03:24):
Not really.
Okay.
I don't know.
I think like Atlanta played meout.
What you mean?
Just like I feel like for themost part, black people do one
thing.
And it's like like in terms oflike a main, like a staple.
A staple for going out on theweekend.
I could be wrong, but from whatI've seen, is like the staple
(03:47):
for going out for black peopleusually is place you pay to get
in, hookah, the the um, I don'tknow, this shit loud as fuck.
We all in here, it's crowded.
It's like the same thingeverywhere.
So like I don't usually chasethat, and I feel like that goes
(04:08):
into the nightlife scene.
So I'd rather do other things,like go-karts.
SPEAKER_05 (04:14):
Yeah, no, I understand.
That's like, you know, inNashville, you like, you know,
Broadway super commercial.
And it's still you like, hey, Idid it just to do it that day,
but you know, I know it's notfor me.
It's just checking the scene,the vibe.
Yeah, and it's a good indicatorof I like to see how the local
people look in a sense.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
Yeah, you know, um, like I said, being out there in
Dallas, uh, or when we talk likeoff podcast, but um I love
seeing the people there.
Even though like I wasn't liketoo much in the city, you could
tell who's here.
Okay.
And I could see myself there.
That shit got me written allover it.
(04:55):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
Like Atlanta was cool.
Um Atlanta radio is top tier,first of all.
But um Dallas just seems like anolder cousin who got the stuff
together.
SPEAKER_05 (05:12):
You don't feel that?
I would I feel like um Atlantais a Mecca for black people.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
No, absolutely.
So that's the truth, yeah.
It's Wakanda.
So yeah.
But I'm saying, like, it's awhole bunch of like I mean it's
it's it's it's a balance there,but Dallas just seems like I
don't know.
I I feel like Dallas seems likeit's more so my vibe than
Atlanta is.
SPEAKER_05 (05:37):
Yeah, and um, I haven't been to Dallas, so I
can't really disagree.
Um, I would love to go next timeif you go again.
Um definitely going back.
Yeah, yeah.
So we gotta plan something out.
Okay.
Yeah, to make sense.
Um, but uh, where is I goingwith this?
But uh yeah, Atlanta and placeslike Memphis to where it's like
when I step outside, it'smajority black.
(06:00):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
So I I don't know if Dallas fitsthat same mold.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
I'm sure that it does in certain areas.
Um, but you know, Dallas is likeknown for like the sports, the
football, and all this.
So you're gonna get a differentuh uh um the a crowd of people
who's not just black.
Okay, I got you.
But there, I mean, Dallas doesseem to me like it's depending
(06:29):
on where you go, it's very blackas well.
Like when I went out, I was onthe outskirts and they had these
brunch spots.
I guess brunch is like a superbig thing.
Um, you know, like here um uh ifyou go to somewhere, it's
usually like the same menu allthe time.
Um it's kind of like New Yorkout here.
(06:51):
It's like it doesn't reallysleep in some areas, but in
Dallas it seems like things arestructured for certain days.
So like Sundays or I meanSaturdays are like this is the
menu for Saturdays, andeverybody comes on Saturday
mornings.
It's very like you know, like umevery day is is probably
(07:12):
something different.
I don't know, they have adifferent type of uh cadence to
how they uh enjoy themselves.
I got you.
But uh no, I I I I really likedit out there.
Like I went out there, I couldtell.
Like I was just at a coffee shopand I was like, I could live
here.
SPEAKER_05 (07:28):
But coffee shops is your thing.
Yeah, but it's just like thepeople.
But I'm just saying, what aboutthe coffee shop that you loved?
SPEAKER_01 (07:35):
Um well again, like coffee shop.
I love coffee shops in general,but it it's just like the
people, the people there.
It just seemed like it's veryaligned with me, like who I am.
You know what I'm saying?
Atlanta seemed like a youngertype of vibe, even if there were
older people there, it justseemed like the vibe is just
younger.
But like Dallas seems like alittle bit more like mature?
(07:58):
A little bit, a little bit more.
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
Okay.
Uh yeah, I I'm just trying toget more specific on what you
mean by that.
Yeah, I don't think I'm quiteasking the right question.
No, I think that that's likewhat do you say?
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
What do I meant by like older cousin, like who got
their stuff together?
Yeah, but it's more mature.
SPEAKER_05 (08:16):
I'm just saying, what did you see to make you
come to that realization?
SPEAKER_00 (08:20):
Uh, just the people.
SPEAKER_05 (08:21):
Like, uh, did you see like damn everybody 40?
You know what I mean?
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Even if they're my age, it'sjust like a certain type of
dress.
Cause I mean, like, I feel likeAtlanta is like update to where
they're really dressed nice.
SPEAKER_00 (08:35):
They do.
SPEAKER_05 (08:35):
Yeah, so I that's what I'm saying.
I don't but you lived in Atlantaand not in Dallas, so you have a
different view of how things go.
Because the times I go toAtlanta, it's very, you know,
like it could be classist in away.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
So I I the way that you'redescribing gives me that same
type of feeling.
SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
Honestly, it's just like it's just like a little bit
less Y N energy.
SPEAKER_05 (09:02):
Okay.
Okay, so that's just that's justbecause you lived in Atlanta.
And yeah, because if you wasvisiting Atlanta, I don't I
don't get Y N energy.
Uh yeah.
But I've never lived there.
I've visited a million times.
So yeah, yeah.
I can see that.
I can see that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Yeah, it gives a little bit again, you know, it's
that's everywhere.
And I'm from Memphis, so likethat was like overdoing it.
Yeah, right.
But um, yeah, it's just like alittle bit less.
It's a little bit less.
Okay.
I feel like it's still black.
Again, I only went once.
But I could tell it's like ablack city.
(09:37):
Uh again, it's it's it's it'sit's a pool of people uh because
of how big the and again like afootball scene is just really
big.
Like, you know, you goeverywhere you see um it's the
things that have to do withfootball because you know the
Dallas Cowboys, and it's Texastoo.
And it's everything's bigger.
Oh my god.
The the um I don't know if Iwent to the mall, but I just
(09:59):
went to some places and like thebuildings are mass, like it's
just too much.
This is like I don't know, likewherever you would go, just
picture just times three.
Like, why is this Starbucks?
Why y'all got five bathrooms?
You don't need five bathrooms.
SPEAKER_05 (10:15):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Well, that was over exaggerated.
Okay, but I'm just saying, like,that's what it feels like.
The buildings are just massiveof things that here it would be
like maybe three times smaller.
It was just very like compact, Iguess.
SPEAKER_05 (10:31):
Yeah, and Dallas is very much oil money.
Yeah, it looked like it.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's it's very it could belike how I imagine it is how
Dubai there, you know, nowthey've I don't know if they
have much oil at all, but likethat's how it was built.
And and so Texas is very rich inoil, and actually California is
(10:51):
too, but um, there's just a lotof money that comes through
that.
And um, there's people that'sprobably billionaires that you
wouldn't even know.
And yeah, um, and because eventhe high schools, they have like
they have like Chick-fil-A's inthem.
What?
Like something crazy, like theygot like fast food in Dallas?
In high in Texas high school.
It's it's ridiculous.
(11:13):
Wow, I wow, okay.
Yeah, it's absolutely differentbrands.
Yeah, it's like going tocollege, like it's community
colleges for and probably moremore funding.
It's it's ridiculous.
Um, yeah, because they have likeathletic directors at high
schools.
And like who overprogram, youdon't have an athletic.
(11:35):
I'm sure you didn't have anathletic director in Memphis
City, Shepley kind of schools.
Uh I know we didn't director.
That's like uh a personappointed to over the sports,
over sports for that highschool.
So it's yeah, I don't think.
No, you just had a basketball,yeah, yeah.
That's what the yeah, yeah, thethe principal hired, the
basketball coach.
You know what I mean?
(11:56):
That's what it sounded like tome.
Yeah, yeah, but no, the athleticdirector is specifically over
all sports.
And but nonetheless, that's nota thing here in Tennessee.
Uh or unless it's a private, youknow, a private school or
something like maybe in WilsonCounty, but I've never heard of
an athletic director in umTennessee public schools.
But no, it sounded like a reallygreat time.
(12:17):
Yeah, because how how long wasyou there for?
Uh two days.
Okay, so that wasn't long atall.
No, not at all.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
Did it feel really quick?
Yeah, it did.
Like when I left, I felt like Ijust got on off the plane.
Okay.
So, but I did love is is oh mygod, I'm so used to doing like
four and five hour flights.
Anything that deals with a planeis just like a whole thing for
me.
And this time it was just likean hour.
I was on the plane.
(12:44):
And you know, like an hour on aplane is not really, it doesn't
feel like an hour.
If well, it was an hour like 25minutes.
Right.
But on a plane, it's the goingup, which is like what good 20
minutes or whatever.
And then it's the going down,which is like good 20, 30
minutes.
So like, you know, they we'redescending to Dallas.
(13:07):
And which means like the mid themiddle of it is what like 30, 30
minutes, 30, 40 minutes.
So it just went by very quickly.
I got you.
And that was so fire.
Like, I oh my god, like you haveto really figure out what you're
gonna do this whole flight everytime that I um came from Los
Angeles to Nashville to to seeKaya.
So that shit was just too much.
(13:28):
You know, I kind of I kind ofassociated uh uh uh flights with
that.
So just being on a flight inthat ho is just an hour and it's
it's right there.
I'm definitely going back.
Like that shit is but it'sprobably like it's probably like
that everywhere on this side ofthe US, you know, damn near.
Just like I how how long was itto get to DC when you went?
SPEAKER_05 (13:49):
Probably a little maybe an hour or so.
That's that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm I'm wanting to go to DCagain because DC was very
diverse.
Um I like that diversity,diverse of people that was
there.
Um it was yeah, so I really wantto see it for real.
Um so it was fine.
And I and the brunch, the brunchI had, I have to find where that
(14:11):
brunch spot was.
But like when I it was like anall-you-can-eat brunch, and
everything on the menu was fire.
So good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like like yeah, like salmon,eggs, you know, pancakes, bacon,
like everything.
It was just like one set, and itwas all you can drink memosas,
too.
So it was it was lit, it was agood time.
(14:32):
Um, so I really want to see thecity again.
Yeah.
Um, so I'm I'm want to take oneof those ships.
And then I want to see my nephewuh more importantly, and I think
that's a good way to um becauseI don't know if you know that my
my nephew's kind of wheelchairbound.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So it's just one of those thingsthat like just you know, they I
(14:53):
don't I have to talk to mysister or my mom about it more,
but um to my understanding, theydon't know the reason why it's
causing, but he's unable towalk, and he has been there for
a while.
Nobody knows why.
There's not even a reason.
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
I'll be mad.
Uh if you were my nephew.
Yeah, there's not even a reason.
Yeah.
I'm just not walking.
SPEAKER_05 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah, I know, right?
Like it wasn't just like youwake up one, it was essentially
like, you know, he was uh likethere's lesions on his brains.
So there's yeah, so he and thenhe was kind of like just put in
the hospital because he wasn'tfeeling well, kind of slurring
his words.
What age?
He is 11.
So he's he is 11 now.
(15:33):
Yes.
So what oh he was 11, 11.
I mean, this was like a coupleof months ago, type of thing.
He just got wheelchair bound.
I mean, a couple of months ago,yeah.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
So he just woke up, words were slurring.
I mean, he he was walking, buthe needed help.
Like But he was walking beforethen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He ran track.
SPEAKER_05 (15:54):
So he ran track and he just woke up one day, slurred
his words, and now he's hewasn't feeling well, and then
then it became more progressiveuntil he got to the hospital.
That's man, we're and then hewoke he woke up out of the
hospital not being able to walk.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
That's crazy.
Crazy.
We're so blessed.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Like, but anything could just begone, bro.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_05 (16:19):
I appreciate you, God.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
And so now that the doctors haveno idea, so it's like this may
be where he's at.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm I pray for him every day,pray for a miracle, ask the
church for a prayer for him.
Yeah, a audience out there, prayfor him, Carlos.
Yeah, uh be careful with thehands.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, it's wobbling the thing.
(16:40):
Yep, yeah, I appreciate that.
So um, so that's the thing, butno, I I haven't seen him since
it's happened, so I do want todo that.
So that's probably uh DC one.
And you're more than welcome tocome too if you want.
But yeah, DC would be fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But um, so I'm gonna probablyget a hotel there or Airbnb and
(17:01):
then Dallas.
That's been on my list too.
So, how you want to start off?
You want to start off a littlefun, or do you want to start off
with like this the relationship?
Like they're both kind ofrelationship-ish, but one is
like more silly than the otherones.
So let's let's go um all theway.
Yeah, whatever.
Okay, I choose, yeah, just 100%.
(17:22):
Okay, would you ever pay forcooch?
No.
Okay, why not?
I don't think so.
Why not?
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Um it just seems like if I were if if I were to
pay for um if I were to pay forsex, basically, it seems whack.
I don't know.
It seems like I have no game.
It feels like and I told youbefore, like, you know, um,
(17:56):
where I stay, they have a bardownstairs, right?
So and then I was sitting thereone day and a girl came up and
then she said, um, hey, um, itwas like a movie.
It was it was just like a movie.
I'm gonna try to sum this upreal quick for the podcast
anyway.
But um the bar, it was it wasdamn near like two or three
people at this bar, and it wasvery vacant on my side.
(18:20):
And I sat down, and that day Ichose to like dress up a little
bit.
Because you know, like you'reyou're in if the bar is
downstairs, you have a choice tojust like go down with shirt and
shorts or just dress up, andthat day I chose to dress up,
sat down.
Girl walks up right next to me,sits down right next to me.
I'm like, hey, hey, blah sayblah.
SPEAKER_05 (18:42):
One out of ten, what is she?
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
You know, she was like she was like a 7.5.
SPEAKER_05 (18:49):
Okay, did she give uh prostitute vibes?
SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
No, okay, no, cute girl, um dressed nice, yep, sat
down, and then um uh eventuallyshe just said, Hey, so do you
want to have fun?
I was like, Yeah.
You think you play MonopolyUpstairs?
I got Jenga.
SPEAKER_05 (19:12):
Did she pull out a tic-tac-toe uh sheet of papers?
Just my speed.
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
Um, I'm sorry.
She said, You know, did you wantto have fun?
And I was like, Yeah, but to me,I I I thought she was talking,
because again, like what you'resaying, would you would you ever
pay for cooch?
This is nowhere near something Iwould ever think about ever.
So I'm not even I'm not eventhere.
She said, Do you want to havefun?
I'm thinking, like, oh, you wantto go out, you want to see
Nashville.
You know, like, all right, youwant to have fun, but you want
(19:38):
me to pay for it.
All right, and then I had goneout.
You that's when I just movedhere.
So, like when I was at yourcareer, I was going everywhere,
right?
Then I had to pay that rent, andI'm like, I'm gonna just stay in
the house.
And um uh uh uh uh yeah, and Ithought that that's what she was
saying, but she was actuallytalking about the other thing.
(19:59):
And I was just like, Yeah, wecan have fun, whatever.
She said, Yeah, as long as youtake care of me.
And then I'm like, all right,cool.
So I guess you want to gosomewhere and me pay for it.
Did you ask more questions likethat?
I no, I was just like, Yeah,yeah, yeah.
After a second, she said itagain.
She said, Yeah, as long as youtake care of me.
I'm like, you don't gotta say ittwice in my head.
(20:19):
I'm like, you don't gotta saythat twice.
So I'm like, Yeah, what youmean?
Like you want to go to I thinkshe's about to name places she
wants to go to let me know theprice or something, you know, in
her own way.
Like, I want to go to thesteakhouse and da da da.
But she said, Yeah, you know, aslong as you take care of me, and
she did the little money sign.
I'm like, what do you mean bythat?
(20:42):
And then she said, um, you know,just like, and then I realized
everything in that moment.
It was like, oh, you want me topay for the for the oh I got
you.
I was like, oh, literally, like,this is in front of the girl.
I'm like, I ain't never had thisbefore.
I'm like, oh right on her face.
(21:04):
I'm like, oh, um, I was like,nah, I don't do that.
She was like, you don't want totry it with me?
She was really trying.
I was like, nah, nah, that ain'tmy thing, or whatever.
She was like, oh, okay.
And I followed her, she followedme, and it was nothing but
(21:25):
OnlyFans on her whole like page.
And then right after that, dude,you could you you you could say
we was friends for real.
Because people that walked up,she was like, he's a trick.
I was like, don't get the trickin there.
Let's see, let's see if he is.
And she did.
And she was like, Hey, what areyou guys doing today?
There's a dude and a girl.
They were like, no, we justseeing the town.
(21:46):
She was like, Oh, that's Iwanted to as well.
Like, uh, you mind if I comewith?
It was like, sure, she left.
She left right then and there.
But um I just say that to say,you know, I I I don't I don't
see myself paying for that.
Yeah, I don't, I don't see it.
Now I I I don't know.
I don't know what I've donerandom things before in my life,
(22:10):
so I don't want to just say likenever, I'll never do it, and da
da da.
But it takes the fun out ofeverything, it takes the
excitement.
It's like, it's like if we goplay basketball and right before
we play, you pay to win, andthen you won the game.
Like, what's the point ofplaying?
(22:32):
I got you.
You you see what I'm saying?
Yeah, it just takes it takeseverything out of it.
SPEAKER_05 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that's a a differentanalogy for it.
Uh, but you did hear about thenew Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I don't
think that quite fit.
I don't know if yeah.
Yeah, but did you hear the newsabout Sweetie?
Mm-mm.
Okay, to where like a prettymuch a madam, which was like a
pretty much uh uh it's like afemale pimp in a way, but it's
(22:58):
like more um upscale.
Uh but nonetheless, uh she'skind of out in Sweetie for being
an escort, pretty much.
Yeah, so that's how she now isthat true?
I have no idea, but that'sessentially what's happened.
Like, hey, you didn't pay me,you ran off with your um your
(23:19):
client because you fell in loveand he didn't and you told him
not to pay me.
I don't know how she would haveknown that that sweetie was the
one, you know what I mean?
Yeah, so you know, so I don'teven know if that's true or not.
But does things change at all ifa a sweetie was on the table?
SPEAKER_01 (23:36):
Uh is the if I'm kind of confused about what you
just said.
Okay.
She who paid for what?
Who uh so a madam was outingsweetie.
A madam was outing sweetie sosweetie is not the madam.
So a madam was outing sweetie.
SPEAKER_05 (23:51):
Exactly.
For not paying, paying um sheowed money to uh to the madam.
Sweetie did.
And madam is the pimp.
Exactly for one of her peopleunder her.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
So sweetie's under her, um, andshe's booking out clients for
her to go on dates on slash havesex with.
(24:14):
I don't know the details ofthat.
But um, but uh from how thestory is being told.
Why would Sweetie pay for it?
She's not paying for it.
She's the escort.
SPEAKER_01 (24:25):
Sweetie is the escort.
Exactly.
Oh, oh, the okay, so the madamis the pimp of sweetie.
Exactly.
Oh.
Okay, yeah.
And she didn't pay her herpercentage.
SPEAKER_05 (24:38):
I I don't know the exact details of the funding.
Yeah, yeah, but that's what umalleged.
So the madam's saying, Sweetie,you owe me money.
And I tried to run that throughyou, you said no, so now I'm out
on you.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
It's it's gonna be water under the bridge.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (24:55):
But but yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, however
that worked.
But what I'm saying is, nowO'Girl wasn't uh as beautiful as
Sweetie was.
Yeah, facts.
Okay, because you did Sweetie istop tier.
Fine, yeah.
Okay.
She definitely so now if O'Girlhad um was Sweetie fine and had
the prices of what her pricewas, because she's not sweetie,
(25:18):
so but she looked like her, hadyou know, regular, you know,
average pricing, would that havechanged anything for you?
No, even if she still had herpersonality, like, hey, we're
becoming friends.
SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
I got you.
It takes a lot out of it.
It's like, I don't know, it'slike I'm chilling with this
person that I paid time for.
So you feel like a little bit ofyou laughing at this joke for
real.
Okay.
Or is it because I just paidyou?
SPEAKER_05 (25:47):
Have you been to the strip club before?
Yes.
It's not your thing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Okay.
No, I went with um I went two,three times.
It was in the same time frameand then once, not in that same
time frame.
But um yeah, you know, you walkin, it's just it's I don't know.
It's like if I had an abundanceof money to where it wouldn't
(26:16):
matter, and like these girlscould be my friends, versus like
I'm going in here looking forass and titties, basically.
Yeah, if these were just like myfriends and you know, they work
in or whatever, I could seemyself maybe being in
environments like that becauseof that more than I want to go
and see some girls and becausewhen you walk everything,
(26:39):
everything is fake to me.
Like, hey daddy, um the youknow, what you doing at the like
rubbing on me and you justtrying to get some money, you
know.
SPEAKER_05 (26:49):
Yeah, but what if you come into that knowing that?
That's what I'm saying.
I mean that I mean that's so Ifeel you keep in mind, I I we
pretty much align very closely.
I feel like you're on adifferent tier I am, but like if
you're on S tier, I'm on A.
Like Yeah, I'm uh in terms oflike paying for cooch.
But I mean, yeah, that's like ifyou go to a steakhouse, they
(27:13):
ain't always they ain't nicebecause you know that's who they
are in nature.
They there's a customer servicething, so they're gonna be nice
and polite most of the time.
Yeah.
So I get it.
The explanation you're giving islike, yeah, what are they
supposed to be like assholes?
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
I get uh yeah, that's facts.
That's that's a nice way to saythat.
But I I just don't like I don'tlike paying for something that's
supposed to be natural.
To me, it's supposed to benatural.
Like if a girl likes me, it'ssupposed to be natural for me.
I don't want you, I don't wantto pay for like you to blink
(27:48):
your eyes at me, you know what Imean?
Or make me feel like you want meor whatever.
SPEAKER_05 (27:52):
So you think it's BS to where like how men used to
say, and they probably still saythis, you're paying it for it in
some type of manner orsomething.
Oh god.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
No, that's not BS.
That's true.
Okay, so you were talking aboutsweetie.
I was like, I mean, we do payfor it in some types of.
SPEAKER_05 (28:07):
Okay, so I feel like now you're kind of um going
against your point when you saythat.
Because I disagree with thatwhen people say that.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
How?
SPEAKER_05 (28:16):
Um, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
Um I don't okay, so I have it's more, it's more of a
moral thing.
Just like I don't want to pay,like if I had to pay for which
is I'm over-exaggerating, but ifI had to pay for this podcast
for you to act like my friend,it's just not natural.
It's not, it's weird to me.
You know what I'm saying?
(28:40):
So that's the same thing with awoman.
You know, if I pay for this andthen now we like vibe, and or if
I go to a strip club and then Igive you a couple ones or
whatever, or hundreds, then youknow, now you all on me and you
saying these things that I liketo hear, but it's fake because I
just paid for it.
But uh, but it but it's it'sit's blatant, is what I'm
saying.
It's just outrighttransactional.
(29:03):
It that, yeah, it's a hundredpercent transactional.
I do believe though, though,even though I feel like that,
that we do pay for it in otherways.
If I buy a girl a flight to comeout here, she better give me
some.
Not better, but you know whatI'm saying?
Like, am I gonna inspect it?
Yeah, yeah.
I'm definitely gonna inspect it.
(29:24):
If I see a pretty girl orwhatever, and we hit it off, not
even hit it off, this is beforethat stage.
If I'm taking her out to thesefancy dinners and you know, uh
let's stop at fancy dinners.
If if we go to like three orfour fancy dinners and we get to
know each other, we could havedone it over the phone, but just
(29:44):
because if if I'm thinking aboutwhat you're saying, those three
or four fancy dinners, I did payto like kind of get to know you
in a way.
I did, I did pay.
For that.
So like if we do move move tothe next step, she could be
like, Yeah, he's nice.
(30:05):
He took me here, here, here,here, here.
In a way, if you want to onpaper, you can say as a devil's
advocate, you can say I did payfor that in some type of form or
manner.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like the the my difference iswhen it's so blatant, it's just
like, all right, one, two,three, four, five, all right,
(30:25):
cool.
So we fucking like that.
It's just like two, it's tooblatant.
So I need um I don't know, therethere, there's this version of
courting and all that, and it'sa it's a very blurred line, but
we do pay.
We do pay for that.
Okay, so some type of way.
SPEAKER_05 (30:45):
So if I'm going by your logic, then it makes more
sense for me to pay for it.
Because now it's it's not it'svery you know exactly what
you're getting.
I don't have to skew by like,hey, maybe I'll get and have the
fun, you know.
Maybe because what if you payfor the flight and she doesn't
like you this person y'all meetfor the first time and she
(31:07):
doesn't like you?
So now you feel like hey, I paidfor this whole thing and I
didn't get what I wanted out ofthis.
I wouldn't be like that though.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, youyou you even though you didn't
you uh even though you didn'tmean like you I bet her or
whatever, that's theexpectation.
She's fine.
Hopefully, I have sex with her.
Obviously, like if I didn't payfor a flight to get to to uh see
(31:30):
her, not just in person, Iwanted some out, I want some
cooch.
Yeah, and that's essentiallykind of what you just said.
Like, hey, not this is not aguarantee, but it's damn near.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, that the theprobability is high.
Probability is high, yeah.
So I mean, if I'm going by thatlogic, then I w might as well
know that my probability is thehighest.
(31:51):
Like, there's no there's no funand games.
Definitely if that's what Iwant.
So that's but that's why Idisagree with like you're paying
for it to a certain degree, islike yeah, but um if I actually
I like you, like is the reasonwhy I'm paying for it.
I'm not paying for it because Ijust want this thing.
I like you, and I want to, andwe want I want to have fun with
(32:14):
you, is the reason why I pay forthe date or whatever.
Yeah, it's not just to getcooch.
Now that comes with it, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
That's a say that's another way of saying it.
SPEAKER_05 (32:24):
But at the end of the day, not really because I'm
gonna spend money to further athe relationship.
Yeah, yeah, and having a goodtime together and getting to
know one another.
That don't mean I'm out havingsex with them.
And that that's not always mygoal.
And that's majority of the time,that's not really my goal.
(32:44):
Right.
It's not I'm not paying for thedate because I want some cooch.
I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
I'm just saying on paper, on paper, Justin paid for
this, this, this, this, andthis, and at the end of the
night, this happened in someform of way of you looking at
that entire situation, you didpay for it.
In some form.
I'm just saying, like, I'm notsaying in every every aspect,
every instance, I'm not a guywho just like goes out on
(33:13):
dinners with women just to, youknow, do that with them.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying there aredifferent ways to look at every
single situation.
So if I if you were to fly agirl out just to know her and
she happens to give you some,you could say that, like, no, I
didn't do that for that.
I just wanted to get to knowher, and da-da-da.
(33:36):
But on paper, somebody couldsay, you just pay for this and
this and this, and then you gotthat.
Results are here.
SPEAKER_05 (33:43):
Yeah, but I'm not on the internet enough.
So the my mentality is like thewhole flight thing.
It's like I'm not on theinternet enough to meet somebody
online like that, like from adifferent state.
That got nothing to do with whatI'm saying.
Well, it it does because howelse I'm gonna meet somebody
from a different state and tofly that.
I'm saying, like, I'm saying Iprobab I'm trying to say I'm not
(34:05):
wanting to make a guarantee andsay that I'm paying for
somebody's flight, but odds areI that's probably not happening.
Yeah, yeah, it's just not I'mnot in places to where that
makes sense.
I don't I can barely hold aconversation long enough to to
text and call somebody I'venever met before.
That's just like not, I mean,I'm not saying that's
(34:25):
impossible, but my my attentionspan doesn't last that long.
I'm very disinterested.
Like, that's what why like soyou would much rather just just
pay for it.
Uh no, I'm not I I told you I'mon the same plane as you in
terms of that.
Like, to whereas, like, hey, meexchanging that energy with you,
it's like I gotta really likeyou, and I don't like to be kind
(34:49):
of like, hey, you doing this formoney, that doesn't make me feel
good at all.
Yeah, yeah, because there's likea risk that I want to have,
like, hey, you did the, youknow, you allowed me to enter in
a sense.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But for you, it's like very hoeish in a manner, and a lot of
men in in that.
Now I'm running the risk of youknow what I mean, disease.
(35:10):
This you're probably withholdingsome things from me.
Yeah, you know, it I mean, it'ssinning in nature, and now I'm
paying for the sin.
You know what I mean?
Like innocent, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like it's a lot of toomany factors to where it's like
I don't want to always guaranteeit because there's I mean, I I
ain't the wisest, you know whatI mean?
(35:30):
So somebody can run game and belike, bruh, you know what I
mean?
Like, dang, I don't know how sheconvinced me to give it up, and
I did.
So I always want to be like,don't want to make sure I'm like
that naive to think that I'mlike not gullible in a sense,
but and I've never have, andthat's not a thing that
interests interests me.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
(35:51):
I am on if you're S tier towhere you're like, bruh, I've
it's absolute not happening, I'mprobably in the A.
Yeah, yeah.
So to where I don't believe thatif you're spending money um on a
date, that means that you'repaying for an interstate degree.
I just that's how I justdisagree.
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
I I'm just saying I I don't go into things looking
like that or looking for that.
Yeah, like I'm I'm a very like Isay, I I I love love.
So like I like theconversations, I like the taking
a girl out.
I I I love all that.
So I don't necessarily look atit like I'm gonna get some at
the end of the night,da-da-da-da.
(36:30):
But I could see though, ifsomebody was to tell me, bro,
you know you just pay for this,this, and this, you did kind of
like pay for it in a way.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Like, I'm not like that, but Ican see how somebody can say
that.
And because I'm not like that,the other way of being so
(36:51):
blatant, just like sitting down,is so transactional.
Yeah, I don't see myself.
SPEAKER_05 (36:57):
Yeah, because yeah, like, and even um, because
there's times to where like Imet somebody online and she
didn't care to go out at all,you know.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was like, I didn't payanything.
Like, like, is that yeah, yeah,yeah.
Well, I wouldn't even say that.
That's like, well, I mean, yeah,she did, but um that's not the
(37:17):
reason why she didn't go out,she just didn't care to.
She'd rather stay at home andyeah, and whatever.
So, so I'm saying that is like,okay, so I got it for the free.
Like, is that by your logic?
You're like, yeah, dang.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's why I said it's soI I just don't like that the
idea of like, hey, you're payingfor a certain degree.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
It's like, nah, that's that's how I like that
more though.
Like not doing anything andsomething happens.
SPEAKER_05 (37:44):
No, I think that I feel you, and I it's not like
I'm just don't understand howthat that idea comes about, but
also look like it's like youwant me to be on your level in
terms of paying for things, youknow, like you you because you
pay for cooch, you want to tryto justify my head on why it's
okay in a sense.
Yeah, like no, we we we it'sdifferent planes here, yeah,
(38:07):
yeah.
Yeah, so don't try to stoop meto your level by trying to
justify what I do versus whatyou do.
And it's it's like you rememberwhen we talked about like you
know, like the spiritual, likeit even though we're going uh
completely left, but when wetalk about like spiritual versus
religious, it's like bro, justsay you you just say you don't
want to go to church, you know,you know what I mean?
(38:29):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what itis.
Like, just say you pay for coochand you enjoy it because you
want it's easy, it makes sense.
Yeah, it's what for whateverreason, you're like, Yeah, I'm
I'm different.
Now you can disagree or agree,but I'm just saying that's how I
feel.
Yeah um yeah, was that fun?
Yeah, that was cool.
(38:49):
Uh so when as I was even sayingit, um talking about this, it uh
my brother brought up a point,and I felt like I was doing it
even at this moment.
Um he was just we was on a phonecall with me, my mom, and my
sister.
And I feel like we should do alot more of those because it's
very interesting and fun.
(39:10):
But he was like, um, he's hedates a lady now, and um uh like
he's dating.
Like I when I say a lady now,like it's like he's dating
something other than that.
But yeah, so uh he was like, youknow, she was asking or her her
friends that the lady she'sdating, her friends said, Um, do
you have any do you have anysiblings or any brothers?
(39:31):
My bad.
I help feel like I'm hitting thetable.
You are yeah, she's like, Do youhave you know, do you have any
uh siblings?
And he's like, Yeah, I have alittle brother, but he's a
little bit self-righteous, youknow.
And then I thought about it, andI was like, Okay, you know, so
before I fit how I go on to feelabout myself, do you agree that
(39:53):
I'm a bit self-righteous?
I got you.
I'm already here.
Yeah, yeah.
So self-righteous is an attitudeand belief of moral superiority
derived from a person deemingtheir own beliefs, actions, or
fit affiliations to be ofgreater virtue than those of the
average person.
Yes, okay, so you believe I'mself-righteous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(40:13):
So I agree with that, you know,like and as I'm licking in it
and I'm trying to, you know,trying to understand it
biblically, it's definitely anegative in it to a certain
degree.
And I was like, okay, I need tokind of straddle away from that
(40:34):
because then I feel like I'mputting myself at a higher
pedestal than everybody else,and I do that to a certain
degree, but that's probably notthe best attitude.
Because it's like that's even asI discuss it, it's like I try to
remain humble and I think I dosomewhat of a good job, but I do
have this element ofself-righteousness in me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, so I was just really kind ofgetting wanting your take on it.
(40:58):
You're like, yeah, yeah.
But also I try to derive mystance biblically.
Like I want to have it biblicalrealism in a sense.
It's like, all right, so mystandards are biblical, but also
I'm real to everybody's nature.
Yeah, yeah.
Like when I talk about even thespiritual versus religious, it's
(41:21):
like I get I get it, but I Idisagree.
Because I know it, I I can seewhat's going on for real.
Um, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm real in that way, andI'm get getting to the point.
And I feel like we do whathappens is we try to justify our
behavior and to make ourselvesfeel good.
(41:42):
But I know myself, I'm notperfect, obviously, and we're
all not.
So just be real about who weare, dear.
SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
So I think I think um uh I think you come into it
thinking like that, but itdoesn't play out like that.
Okay.
So like even the the thereligion versus the the
spiritual thing, I feel like itdoesn't it doesn't really matter
(42:09):
what anybody says.
It's kind of like you have acertain specific way of looking
at this, and if you step outsidethis box, then that's the go-to
like, well, you just might aswell say that you don't like
church.
That's not it though.
It's like we we could be lookingat the same thing, but just have
(42:33):
two different viewpoints, and itcould be like the same answer in
two different ways.
But I I feel like sometimesit'll be like that.
It'll be like if I don't saylike one, two, or three, then
all right, well, you over herethen versus like well, me in a
sense where I'm like I can kindof understand like what's just
(42:56):
more of an open mind basically,than like a strict closed box, I
guess.
So I I don't know.
I think that's where the wholeself-righteousness comes from in
a way, because like if you ain'tinside this box, then you over
there.
And I think that's that's wherepeople can kind of say about
that whole self-righteous shit.
SPEAKER_05 (43:17):
I I yeah, and I feel like it definitely comes off
that way.
And I I agree, it definitelydoes.
Um the reason the place where Iland on it is it's like we like
I just mentioned, we like to lieto ourselves and make ourselves
feel good.
Because when when I like divedeeper on the point of why
they're not going to church orwhy they do this thing, it it
(43:40):
gets a little bit interesting,like, okay, if that's the case
if if you if it's not becauseyou don't want to go to church
or exchange energy with a lot ofpeople and want to spend the
time, it's like okay, then whywon't you make the hour
commitment?
Yeah, and and then you start,you know, and then you when you
keep on diving a little bitdeeper, it's it's bigger than
I'm just spiritual.
Yeah, yeah, it's bigger thanthat.
(44:01):
You know, it's like, hey, Ibelieve, because spiritual is
like I believe there's a being,but you also don't want because
I can feel like in that in thatif you want to dive a little bit
deeper on that, that can beself-righteous because I feel
like there's a being in hey, Iknow I'm a good person, so I'm
gonna live by what I feel isgood.
(44:21):
It's like you yeah, but we havethere's a biblical when I talk
about biblical standards towhere it's like I feel the
self-righteousness a little bitin my for myself, but also
there's a standard to where Ilive in.
But if you're going by your ownstandards, then that's
self-righteous.
Yeah, yeah, because you can saywhat's good or bad, you know,
like hey, hey, they talk abouthomosexuality in the church.
(44:44):
It's like, hey, I don't, youknow, I don't dislike anybody
who's gay and I wish everybodywell and I love everybody, but
if they're saying, hey, this iswrong, then that's the standard
I gotta live by.
Rather, I feel like, you knowwhat I mean, how that looks or
anything like that.
So I feel like that'sself-righteous when you talk
about spirituality in that way.
Yeah, because of sense of andand and not you want to make
(45:05):
sure that you're on the righttrack.
So if you're saying, hey, Idon't believe in uh Jesus
Christ, all right.
Well, is do you but you believethere's an ultimate being, so
why don't you try to look forthat?
So so there's a standard,whether that's Hindu, Muslim, or
Islam, or you know Jewish youknow culture, whatever.
You know what I mean?
(45:26):
So I feel like it's just an easyway to say, hey, I believe in
God, but I I want to do my ownthing.
SPEAKER_01 (45:33):
And people I can I can sort of understand that.
SPEAKER_05 (45:37):
Yeah, so so that's why, yeah.
So I was like, yeah, at least Ihave a standard, whether I I
follow that to a hundred percentdegree or I fall short or
whatever, there's a standard orcode to where I align with.
So when I when I see that you'rebut you're kind of on my you're
on the train then you kind oflike along the train or believe
(45:58):
the train I'm in, but you're notwilling to commit 100%.
It's like bro, you lying toyourself.
Just say you don't want to go toyou know what I mean?
I it's not always just becausewhat and I'm gonna use an
example, and we're it's gonna befall probably um uh all the way
left, but I'm gonna use itbecause it's what's coming to my
head.
Is like when they talk aboutwhen Charlie Charlie Kirk when
(46:20):
he when he was assassinated, andyou have all the yeah, yeah, all
the conspiracy theories on whyit's because of this, it's
because of that.
And we're like, if this is ifthis is true and he was
assassinated for a specificreason and it just wasn't some
random guy that planned it, um,then it's probably more than
just one reason on why you dosix.
(46:41):
So when when you talk about likea box, it's like I feel I feel
that and I kind of agree, butthere's probab there's gonna be
more than just one reason on whysomebody does one thing.
Like there's yeah, so like forCharlie Kirk, it's like it
wasn't just because you know uhthey believed that he was gonna
be president, so they wanted toget him out early or whatever.
(47:03):
It's probably multiple reasonson why you know um on why they
did this thing.
And so that's where I land withcertain things is why you do
what you do.
It's not because hey, you don'twant to go to church, it's also
because you got things that youthink is um that's that you feel
like is more important whetheryou would say that or not.
(47:24):
Yeah.
It it could probably be severalreasons why you don't go.
So I was like, just be real withyourself in a way.
SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Yeah, no, that that that is a fact as well, um with
all that, especially thespirituality versus like the
religion thing.
Um I hate that we landed therebecause that's not where I get
you.
Um but yeah, I I I can see whatyou mean.
Both both sides can have acertain sense of the
(47:54):
righteousness in a way.
Yeah, both both sides candefinitely have that, or um
different reasons of standingtheir ground on that.
So I I I I get what you'resaying in a way.
SPEAKER_05 (48:09):
Yeah, so but yeah, in terms of um but I also don't
want to come off that I'm betterthan somebody else.
Even though I like I use the umI've used uh like the lion
mindset, like lions don'tcompare their to a sheep or
whatever.
(48:29):
That was more so like a mindsetthat is like, hey, don't let
these little things bother youbecause at the end of the day,
it's not gonna really matter.
These opinions.
So that's the mindset you have,but that don't mean that I think
that they're little sheep andthey're beneath me.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
Yeah, no, I feel like you're more so um still
like sort of with like with thebox thing, but you can still
hang out and talk to everybody.
It's really just if somebodyasks you your opinion or not.
And then that's when I thinkthose other things come up of
people saying, or like yourbrother saying, like
self-righteousness did it.
You don't like just come offlike that.
(49:08):
It's literally just when I askyou a question, yeah, yeah,
right.
And then you open up and belike, well, actually don't fuck
with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, and that's um, I thinkthat's where all that comes
from.
But still you're like you'reyou're you're having
conversations with these people.
It's not like uh it's not likethis is.
SPEAKER_05 (49:26):
Like I'm trying to tell somebody how they should
live.
SPEAKER_01 (49:29):
Right.
And this is probably gonna soundway left, but like having a
grandma like in the 90s, like90s or super early 2000s, like
that shit is like it's wetalking about boxes, like you
cannot tell.
Uh I mean she she passed now, sorest in peace is my my
grandmother.
But like you can't tell nograndmama but nothing.
(49:53):
Like outside of the Bible andoutside of the religion, outside
of what it's over with.
Like, no, you sinning.
What the fuck are you doing?
You know what I'm saying?
It's very strict, very, very,very strict.
And you're not like that, youknow what I'm saying?
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A grandmother's not finna have aconversation with you about
(50:14):
anything other than Jesus.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (50:17):
And I guess what since we have, you know, this is
obviously a public podcast, andif this gets bigger, I don't
want to be like people are Dr.
Umar in me.
You know what I mean?
To where it's like how Dr.
Umar doesn't believe it, youknow, um a black people should
be with black people, you knowwhat I mean?
Yeah, so yeah, but he's notgonna come up to a uh a mixed
(50:38):
couple and be like, bruh, youdoing wrong.
You know, he's probably gonnajust let it be.
Unless they ask him.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (50:44):
Can't can you hear me on here?
SPEAKER_05 (50:45):
Uh I feel like something's kicked off, but uh
but I mean we're we're prettymuch wrapping up anyway.
So we're good to go.
We're good.
All right, yeah.
I think that I think we did itanyway.
SPEAKER_00 (50:56):
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_05 (50:57):
That's there we go.
Nice working.
What's what happened?
I don't know.
But we're good.
SPEAKER_01 (51:02):
Uh oh, I just can't hear me.
SPEAKER_05 (51:04):
Okay, all right.
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back with anotherepisode.
We'll be back.
Yes, sir.
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