Groupie Stigma, And Why Honest Rejection Matters

We unpack a packed week: the thrill of a Brandy and Monica show, the reality of leaving early to beat the surge, and how crowds mirror the ways we manage time, money and attention. Then we cut into dating gray areas, honesty over ghosting, and the weight of status, access and labels.

• Late arrival concert strategy and crowd logistics
• Coco Jones performance and opener talk
• Nashville demographics, migration and city myths
• Debt payoff, COVID-era choices and optimism
• Wealth reading list and building durable businesses
• Time management, scheduled study and focused growth
• Ghosting vs honest rejection and respectful boundaries
• First-night chemistry, clout, and future potential
• Intimacy as servitude, compatibility signals and standards
• “Former groupie” stigma, double standards and social status

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Boys in the
Vill.
No.
What is no?
It's not Boys in the Vill.
I thought you was playing.
No, I was not playing.
I was just going with it.
Two for the culture, Lord.
Yes.

(00:21):
What happens when we miss, youknow, miss an episode, miss a
week.
Yeah.
It's back to what your mind goesinto.
I was like, what you mean,though?
That's it.
I thought you were the culture.
Yeah, that was my old podcast.
Yeah, that was a that was awhile ago, and somehow I'm still
saying that.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
How long ago was that actually?
Um two years, maybe.

(00:43):
I would say.
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe two years.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Maybe, yeah.
It was two years for sure.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, yeah, time flies by.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh but we got a great show linedup for you tonight.
I think we're gonna have a lotof fun.
For sure.

(01:03):
Um, but yeah, let's let's start,let's get into it.
How's your weeks, I guess Ishould say?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Damn, what what what was that like?
Um nah, I just um the the mainthing that I did uh was went to
go see uh uh Brandy and Monica.
That was dope.
Um I really am gonna start goingto more events and stuff.
I was I was invited there, so Ididn't just wake up and be like,
hey, all right, I'm going to theBrandy and Monica concert.

(01:30):
But um I was invited and uh itwas just dope.
It was it was a really niceexperience, you know.
They were just literally rightthere.
It's so it's it's so surrealbeing in front of these people
that um you know that that youadmire their music or whatever
type of talents that they have,and just to see them, it was

(01:52):
just like crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53):
But um and so um Kelly Rowland was there?
She was?
I'm asking.
Coco Jones was there.
Yeah, Coco Jones.
Yeah, I heard Kelly Rowland wason the tour too.
Damn, for real?
I came late.
Yeah, I came fashionably late.
Oh, you did, oh you did?

SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Oh, yeah, on purpose.
Oh, okay.
I was like, yeah, they be um notknowing that I mean, duhs,
Brandy and Monica, they're gonnahave like actual great openers.
Right.
But um I was just thinking that,you know, have you been to a
concert before?
And they're just like playingmusic, the lights be on, and
it'd be forever.

SPEAKER_05 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
So I thought that that was uh gonna happen in
general, literally with anyconcert that I go to.
So I went like an hour later.

SPEAKER_05 (02:37):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 (02:38):
Yeah, and then while I was walking down, Coco Jones,
she was performing, and thenright after her, this hype man
dude came out, his voice soundedfamiliar, so he's probably
somebody.
Um, and then they started theshow.
So I really came on time forreal, for real.

SPEAKER_05 (02:54):
Okay, depending on how you look at it.
Yeah, exactly.
Because I think that's skippedthe credits.
Uh Money Long was it wassupposed to be a part of the
tour too.
That actually makes sense.
But um I think she was sick, sothey brought on Maya on during
the tour.
I don't know if she was on theNashville show, but uh so but
she was a part of the tour too.

(03:15):
Uh just temporarily um sittingin for um Money Long.

SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
No, I didn't know that.
I saw well, like I said, I sawCoco Jones, she was killing it.

SPEAKER_05 (03:26):
Who who uh did you was you familiar with the
records?

SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She had some radio hit that uhICU was one of them.

SPEAKER_05 (03:37):
Probably I can't remember exactly what there's
another record that I can'tthink of either.
Yeah, but I mean she's aphenomenal singer, and I think
she's from here too.
For real?
I think like like maybe Lebanonor something.
Oh wow.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
I think I may be wrong.

SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Uh super killing it.
She was killing it.
I was trying to find my seatthough.

SPEAKER_05 (03:58):
Yeah.
But yeah.
Was it a packed house?

SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
Uh yeah.
For the most part, I say if itwas I don't know, you know, like
when when they turn the lightsoff and all that, that's when
everybody really starts comingin for real.
Okay.
So like um I say when I lookback, it was probably like a
good 90%.

SPEAKER_05 (04:16):
Okay.
Did you have a preference onwhich um artists you like the
best?

SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
You know, uh I'm well I I'm I automatically
listen to Brandy more than I doMonica.
Okay.
I have a couple favorites, andyou know, like I was invited to
this, so I just started puttingtheir stuff in rotation.
And it was a couple other moreBrandy songs that I that that I
like.
Monica Monica's energy and vibeand personality, I really love

(04:47):
that though.
Like you could tell, like she'sjust she's fun, you know, and um
she really shows that she's fromAtlanta, like in the the the the
the set and stuff.
So I may not have as much Monicasongs on rotation, but if I had
to choose between the two tohang out with, I'm probably

(05:08):
gonna go like Monica.
I got versus yeah, but BrandyBrandy just got hits.
Well, both of them got hit,clearly because they wouldn't
even do this even done the show.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:18):
Did they perform The Boy is mine together?
I left early.
Okay, so you left early, camelate.

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
No, I mean I came before the show well before they
came out.
I came before they came out.
I just wanted to leave before,you know, like the the crowd
dispersed and stuff.
Okay.
So I didn't leave like superearly.
I just left like probably rightbefore it ended.
And since the the the touristcalled that, then yeah, it's

(05:47):
probably the last possiblesecond that they were gonna play
that.
But I could tell it was about toend.
And I was just like, nah, Iprobably let me just go get out
of here.
They gotcha.
Make sure that uh the surgepricing didn't get surge
pricing.
That and just like the crowd ingeneral, just like everybody's
up.
It's a lot of people, you know,you gotta walk past everybody

(06:10):
through everybody.
I had to pee.
And I'm like, man, I ain't finnaI ain't trying to like an
airport.
They got you.
Yeah.
No, I feel you.
Yeah, but usually games and Ihaven't been to that many
concerts, but like big, big,big, big events, I'll probably
leave like right, right beforeeverybody else does.

SPEAKER_05 (06:29):
Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 (06:30):
Yeah, it's just a smoother way of getting home.

SPEAKER_05 (06:32):
All right, make sure I don't go in these shows with
you.
Hey, you you gone, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'm yeah, and because I Iguess I don't I understand
exactly your point.
Like, now I gotta wait to getout this and like waiting in
line.
Yeah, so I totally, I totallyunderstand.
But it all depends on who it is.
Because there's a lot of thingsI'll leave early just because my

(06:53):
attention is just not grabbed.
But I'm if I'm enjoying thetime, I may stay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah.
No, I definitely was enjoyingmyself.
It was that was the most blackpeople I done seen in Nashville.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (07:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, that's hilarious.
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody definitely showed up.
Yeah, no, you gotta think aboutanytime if there's a
metropolitan city, it's gonnahave a lot of black people.
Because historically, umgovernment jobs is really where
a lot of black people foundwork.
Um, because it's uh it's lessdip uh discrimination than what

(07:26):
you're gonna get at a um uh aprivate company.
Yeah, because it's based ontheir discretion.
So yeah, and um so butnonetheless, so anywhere you go,
whether it's you know, allhowever north you want to get or
uh like Midwest, if there's ametropolitan city, they're gonna
have a lot, it's gonna be highlyconcentrated black amongst the

(07:48):
state that you're in.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
So yeah, but we're you know, I Itell people who, you know,
people from north, you know,think that you know Nashville is
a Republican.
I'm like, it's a democraticcity, just like you know, any
any really metropolitan that yougo to.
Yeah.
So it's gonna have a lot ofblack people.
You just gotta know where tolook.
Yeah, but it's not gonna beMemphis or Atlanta.

(08:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's just a map.
I do not see DC.

SPEAKER_00 (08:14):
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:15):
Yeah, those are just usually certain spots.
It's very everybody got theircircles.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Well, it's only two circles forreal, for real.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (08:27):
So, but then everywhere else in Tennessee,
you know, yeah, yeah.
It's pretty much yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, well, you got like placeslike in Chattanooga and stuff
like that, but yeah.
Okay, facts, yeah.
Yeah, but none, but I mean, it'sstill not heavily concentrated
as Memphis would be.
Yeah, because that's damn nearmajority black.

SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, and then when you when you travel outside
of it and you realize howdiverse it can get, it's just
like how did uh uh everybodyjust get here in practice?

SPEAKER_05 (08:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Just his history.
Yeah.
And it um I was I don't know howsomebody upon it, well, I guess
I do know how, but um I was wlooking at a chart and then um
it was pretty much talking aboutlike you know migrating into
different areas, buthistorically black people don't

(09:20):
move.
I can believe that.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, how you know how manywhite people come here?
I'm from California, I'm fromhere, I'm from here.
You the if they're black,they've probably been here.
Most likely.
Yeah, they're from here.
That is something.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:37):
Something.
But how was your past two weeks?

SPEAKER_05 (09:39):
Um, same old, literally, same old, same old.
They ha it hasn't changed, Idon't think.
Um it's just, you know, working,grinding, paying off debt.
You know, it it sounds, youknow, when I describe it, it
sounds, you know, poor.
Yeah, and and there's actually alot of things, so like, dang,
you know, um just family membersand health things, and um that

(10:03):
is like, you know, it's likeit's but it it is just a true
testament to how you always knowit's like um the older you get,
the more, you know, people aregonna pass away.
You know, yeah, it's just it'salways that it's always gonna be
kind of lingering presence asyou know, like though, yeah,
you're you're just gonna befriends, family who's gonna be

(10:25):
gone.
Myself included, obviously.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, so it's just kindof things like that.
Yeah.
But it you know, it is what itis, it's life.
Um, so but then not to soundmorbid, but my my weeks have
been good.
I'm enjoying, I'm happy.
Yeah, um, yeah, yeah.
I'm excited about um the future.

(10:45):
Um I I think there's gonna bebig things coming my way.
Yeah.
Um, so that, you know, so it'sjust really, I think three
years, um, and I'll start to seesome of the the work that I put
in, the true fruits of my labor.
I really do feel that way.
Yeah.
Um, because during COVID,there's a lot of things,
decisions I made that I'm nowpaying for.

(11:08):
Right, right, right.
Like in bad decisions.
Like uh to where I was like, I Iwas doing really well, and I was
like, I shouldn't, you know, Ishouldn't make this decision.
Or I was like, I should pay moreon my debt now, but you know,
like I'm enjoying my time, youknow what I mean?
Like, yeah, yeah.
So the more that things lingeredon, the more I was like, I'm

(11:29):
gonna have to pay for this, youknow.
Exactly.
And that that day has come, youknow what I mean?
So yeah, yeah.
So it's it's but I'm not mad,you know, because I I knew it
all along.
So I saw this coming, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
So, but I'm thankful I'm in aposition to where I can hold on.
Facts.

(11:49):
Yeah, so I'm so I'm not mad.
Um, but yeah, but yeah, so it'sit's just kind of the same
things.
I I do feel like I'm growingstill.
So and hopefully that'll alwaysbe the case.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
So I'm good.
I'm good.
Do you um have well I don't knowhow many like books and stuff
you read?
Do you have any um suggestionsfor like wealth books?

SPEAKER_05 (12:11):
Um, you know, I can always yeah, I think that my
they always talk about rich dadpoor dad, which is like always
the go-to.
Yeah, but I think uh under um uhuh overlooked, booked, is um it
is um I'm I'm saying it wrong,but it's it's pretty much uh the

(12:34):
power it's the power of broke.
Um and what it was is the umit's probably it's I'm saying it
wrong, but the undertitle islike um being broke is a
privilege, the privilege of thethe opportunities of being
broke.
Oh uh it's by Damon John.
I but it's called the power ofbroke and whatever the subtitle

(12:57):
is.
Um so pretty much what it's it'stalking about is they talk they
take different um not onlycelebrities, business uh minded
people, um owners.
Um it talks about how what theymade of the opportunity of them
being broke at the time, howthey had to hustle, how they had

(13:17):
to find ways to make things workwith no money.
Yeah.
Yeah, so you know, it haddifferent stories like from um
Damon John, his own, you know,taking a van and selling clothes
out of his van and then puttinghis clothes on celebrities, and
you know, how that gave himadvertisement and just finding
different ways to make money andhow that um actually being broke

(13:42):
and how um I'm missing the word,but um, but just finding
different opportunities to makemoney when you don't have any.
Um and I think that's it's it'smotivational.
Um and it you can take thingsfor granted when you got a lot,
and you may not find the other,you know, different avenues of

(14:02):
what you to be creative.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think that was that's areally, really good book, and I
would um recommend that to justas much as I would like a rich
dad word at.

SPEAKER_01 (14:14):
Yeah, that's the next um the next book or or a
few that I'll buy is the likegoing toward like the wealth,
the wealth thing.
I see like so many ways to makemoney and stuff, but it just
feels like it feels like is it'ssomething that I have to keep
reinventing.
If it's like social media, mostof my you know the knowledge is

(14:36):
from social media.
So, you know, selling certainthings or certain stores and all
that, it just feels like I haveto keep constantly reinventing.
You're gonna you go you're gonnahave to keep constantly
reinventing anyway with withanything that you do.
But I'm just more interested infinding a way to create
something that's like for like aneed of the people to where
it'll always be around, to whereI could make a business and just

(15:00):
sell that shit because it's it'sgonna stay there.
Like a tax company, alaundromat.
Certain things that everybodyyou always need it in certain
areas or you know, dealing withcertain demographics.
So yeah, the No Well Books isthe the next the next thing that
I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_05 (15:19):
Uh I got you.
How you feeling?
Do you feel you do you feel likeyou're moving in a circle?
Or do you feel like yourtrajectory in life?

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
In life?
Uh no, it's definitely not acircle compared to like last
year.
Um, no, this is totallydifferent.
It's definitely different.
I'm happier, I'm more fit, I'mmore closer to God, more I'm
reading now.
I'm definitely elevating.
I just uh you know that thatterm, you know that term, things

(15:49):
aren't as bad as they seem, butthey're also not as good.
Yeah, so that's just how I thinkof it.
Like, yeah, I'm here, but like Iwant to be like better,
constantly just want to bebetter.
There's there are things toimprove on, to, to gain more
knowledge of and things likethat.
So I'm just trying to not try,but I'm I'm actually if I'm

(16:13):
lacking in some area ofknowledge, then I I I tend to
now seek it through um books.
It used to be audiobooks, butlike I'll actually I actually
study the books though.
So it has to be like one of thetop ones for me to read for that
specific area or that subjectbecause I'm like in class for

(16:36):
real.
Just write kind of like I dowith the Bible.
So yeah, it's it's superbeneficial.
I feel like smarter every dayfor real.

SPEAKER_05 (16:44):
That's that's really good.

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah, it's a lot of vocabulary words to have to
catch up on.

SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
Yeah, I definitely understand that.
Yeah.
Do you feel like you have a lotof time in the day or not
enough?
Um well let me reass thatquestion.
Do you think you're using yourtime wisely?

SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
I it's it's it's it's kind of like relative to
well for me, it feels like aslong as I feel like I'm steps of
ahead than I was last week, amonth ago, whatever, then I feel
good about it.
But it does feel like when I'musually like locked in, it feels

(17:30):
like there's not enough time inthe day for real.
Because I I have to schedule inlike an hour to read this book,
or an hour to read this book.
But there's there's a plan forthe knowledge that I'm getting
for this specific book, and thefaster I get this knowledge, the

(17:50):
quicker I can elevate on theother side of this thing.
So it's it's beneficial, butsometimes I do be feeling like,
damn, bro, it's 11 o'clock.
How did it even get to 11o'clock?
You got to put time into workingout and all it's it's so much
stuff that it just feelssometimes it's just not enough
time in the day.
But uh that's why I'm veryselective with what I'm doing.

(18:13):
I'm not just reading um cat inthe hat or something just to
pass time by.
Just like, how do you getwealthy?
How do you do what are thesteps?
Da da da.
Let me do as much as I can rightnow.
So next year this is a differentstory.
Uh, or just like, you know, moreof an elevated um uh uh result

(18:33):
of how I'm living uh versusyears ago.
So I I think I'm I think I'm ontrack and doing what I'm
supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_00 (18:41):
I got you.
Yeah.
Understand.

SPEAKER_05 (18:44):
We can finally, you know, yeah, we always get the
introduction and after it ittakes about a third of the time
typically or you know, close tothat.
So we can really get into it.
So um a c it wasn't lastepisode, but uh uh the episode
previous to that one, um, we hadlike kind of left off of a
cliffhanger.
Uh and we was talking about howyou know if a girl is really

(19:09):
into you, can you be the personto kind of reject them or let
them know that you're notinterested?
And I do you remember kind ofhow you landed on that?
I don't.
I think it was a somewhat of ayes.
I I believe it was yes.
No, what you said was um youlike you kind of ghost a little

(19:31):
bit.
I think I used to.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, I used to.
Okay.
Uh like things have a way oflingering away, you know, kind
of like lingering off type ofthing.

SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
I think yeah, but not not in the sense that you're
saying it right now.
When when um I wish I wish Icould like replay that, but the
but fading away was one of thosefading away is one of the
things.

SPEAKER_05 (19:55):
I feel like it's a norm for everybody.
Yeah, but if they're reallyinterested in their hanging on,
if you're not interested,uh-huh, then that aspect doesn't
is not a possibility.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, like either you're notresponding, so it is essentially
ghosting, uh-huh, or you knowwhat I mean, or you actually got

(20:19):
gotta respond to the text orkeeping it short or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (20:22):
So you're intentionally there's an act
there.

SPEAKER_01 (20:25):
Um I don't you you know, uh unless it's a mutual
ghost, which nine times out often is usually the thing, you
know, is the the haze and thegood mornings and all that just
start fading out on both sidesor whatever.
But if it was for instance, umuh uh and I actively think about

(20:48):
that, if something like that itwere to happen or whatever, like
there was a time where a girlwas interested in me, and we had
a few, we had a coupleconversations or whatever, it
was dope.
And then I wanted to startpursuing somebody, like I
wouldn't even say that I waspursuing her.

(21:08):
We were just like cool and wewould talk sometimes, but she
would hit me up to the pointwhere I realized I'm not
responding back as much becauseI'm like pursuing somebody else.
And eventually, when I realizedI had got a message or
something, it was like, damn,you forgot about me, or

(21:28):
something like that.
And then I was like, Oh, okay, Igotta address this, and then
I'll actually address it andthen say, Hey, you know, just
let you know like I'm likepursuing somebody or
da-da-da-da.
So in those moments, if it wereto ever get something like that,
I would have to say something.
Like, yeah, the the the mutualghosts, cool, whatever.

(21:50):
It's you know, ain't nobodyfeeling hurt.
We already we could literallytell that we both are uh fading
out.
But um, if it's the opposite, Itend to think of that as um that
that is a time that you have tosay something.
Because it's kind of it's kindof weak for real.

(22:10):
If you don't, well how I look atit, it's kind of like you just
uh you hyped all this stuff up,I guess in a way to get this
person to f feel some type ofreason that they can constantly
keep hitting you up over andover and over again.
And then like you actually hadto have some type of a
conversation.

(22:30):
And it's funny because like Ididn't even end up talking to
that girl, and I still hear itto this day.
But I just like, yeah, like thattime that you fucking talked to
that other girl instead of me.
But uh even though we just cool,we don't even talk like that.
But yeah, I guess I think it'svery important to address that
really hurt her feelings thatyou chose her.

(22:50):
I doubt it.
She be dating, she was on datingshows and smoke.

SPEAKER_05 (22:53):
That don't mean anything.

SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
You're right.
But yeah, but I mean, I I don'tknow.
No, she would say that.
She would definitely say thatoften.
Like, like I'm I'm activelydating what you doing today.
Uh I'm finna go out on thisdate.
She was actually dating.

SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
Like, yeah, I just told her, hey, I'm pursuing
somebody, so I'm not gonna talkto you.
She will pursue people and thenjust like, hey, what you doing?
And I was just like, I I Icouldn't do that.
So you couldn't do what?
Uh for for instance, I wasactually trying to pursue like
some connection or whatever.
So that was the reason why Itold her, like, hey, I'm not

(23:31):
hitting you up as much.
She would actively date andstill hit me up.

SPEAKER_05 (23:38):
You get what I'm saying?
I I I totally understand whatyou're saying.
Yeah.
I don't see the problem in thatthough.
Me either.
Okay, okay.
I'm just saying what I would do.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Like so you so when you'retalking to somebody, you put all
your eggs in one basket, prettymuch.

SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
Not as much anymore.
Not as much anymore.
I usually fail when I do that.
Or or um, no, no, I wouldn'teven say usually fail for real.
Actually, yeah, sometimes,sometimes, sometimes if
something starts off and thenyou put everything into it, then
or me, and I put everything intoit, it's a bigger chance of um

(24:20):
it it ending as fast as I putlike all my eggs into this one
basket.
So um, yeah, naturally thesedays I would try to take things
a little slower.

SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
Okay, I gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Yeah, I wouldn't, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (24:38):
Or do you feel like it just depends on the person
type of thing?

SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
It does.
That it that does too.
Yeah.
It definitely depends on theperson.
Because I I remember seeing myum you know, like you you see
somebody, you just know, like,uh, I I think that's like I
could get without.
You know, I felt that a fewtimes before.
Um yeah, so you can yeah,everybody's different.

(25:05):
It's a different energy, it's adifferent spark that you feel
right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (25:09):
Yeah, when you're around them.
I I totally agree.
And I think it's definitely um acoming on us to where we gotta
kind of reel ourselves back in.
Yeah, because we can getexcited, you know what I mean,
and you know, everything, youknow, it feels right, yeah, but
you're only going off of theinformation you know about them

(25:31):
at the time.
Yes, everybody.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what that's what I'msaying.
It's like, hey, I you know, wesee what our eyes first, you
know, and then they say theright things.
Yeah.
And you may align on a couplethings, and then you know what I
mean, the then the wheels reallystart to go in.
Yeah, but it's on it'suncomfortable on us to be like,

(25:52):
all right, you know, this we'vebeen here a million times, yeah,
yeah.
And it's always this.
Let's settle down a little bitand still gotta take it slow and
check the boxes.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
I didn't know you were in a wheelchair.
What you mean?
No, I'm just playing.

SPEAKER_05 (26:07):
Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Like you meet her and she just rolls in to the the
restaurant, right?
But um, that that would throw meoff though.
Not gonna lie.
Oh, I don't know why I just saidthat.
Yeah, yeah.
That that would definitely throwme off.
So if a girl was hitting you upand then, you know, you weren't
feeling her with the wholeghosting situation, would you
just say, I've been working alot?

SPEAKER_05 (26:30):
Like what what would you Yeah, I just things now I'll
be honest and say that I was uhand I'm still not the best at
giving like hurting somebody'sfeelings or turning them down or
rejecting them.
Um and I haven't yet really trfound the words to to where I

(26:56):
can feel comfortable and saying,hey, I'm not feeling this
moment, you know what I mean?
Unless you piss me off, then Ihave no problem telling you how
I feel.
But uh but other but otherwise Ican't uh so I I haven't gotten
there totally.
So it's I can be sometimes maybefilled with uh excuses if I'm

(27:16):
trying to um be honest withmyself and be if I'm a harsh if
I'm being harsh critic, I wouldsay that it would be cowardly
out in a cowardly manner.
Um I'm I'm being my harshestcritic right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I don't want I don'twant to put it light because
it's it's uh because I I do feellike that in a way.

(27:39):
It's like I can't remember inthat moment.
You know what I mean?
I remember feeling like this.
Yeah, I I'm if I'm being beingnice, I would say that I
sugarcoat a lot.
And that's probably really whereI land.
But my harsh critic is like,Brad, that's kind of cowardly.
You should oh you should givethe respect that you want to

(28:01):
somebody else for yourself.
So you will want to know thethings that you're doing wrong,
sure.
You should get that.
Now, I also don't want to besuper direct because that's not
who I am by nature.
I'm not trying to hurt yourfeelings.
Right, right, right.
So, you know, so I have to kindof find place things, and then
I'm also figuring things out andnot and not and I also don't

(28:21):
want to burn a bridge, yeah,that they may be the person for
me later on, too.
So I always want to keep thatdoor open a little bit.
Yeah, and that's kind of likefor everybody, yeah.
And and I don't know what thatmeans or if that's good or not.

SPEAKER_01 (28:36):
Yeah, I get exactly what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 (28:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So so I don't want to be overlike that person's actually
meant for me.
And uh, she ain't gonna be like,Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
If I say I don't like whitewomen, I'm using that as an
example.
Like I want my my wife to beblack or something like that,
then I pretty much told her no,uh I'm not doing this.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

(28:59):
I'm using that as a quickexample.

SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
Yeah, I will say, even though it did um my my my
experience with that, it didkind of z mess up a little bit.
I I I wouldn't even say longterm, it didn't mess up
anything.
So, yeah, I feel like the otherway, it could just I don't know.

(29:24):
Long term, I think you get morerespect when you just tell the
truth.

SPEAKER_05 (29:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I d I and I totally agree.
And you know, like, hey,actually, I didn't like this
thing.
I should have said there'splenty of times where I should
have said what I didn't like.
Yeah.
And it shouldn't have came outwhen I was frustrated.
Yeah, yeah.
Or when time to where we'regrind apart to where like
honestly, I didn't like thatthing.
You did that one time.

SPEAKER_02 (29:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And I was like, hey, you knowwhat?
When you had a bunch of guys orthat guy that you didn't tell me
about was blowing your phone up.
Mm-hmm.
That felt uncomfortable becausenow my safety's in danger.
I'm using a real life situation.
And I was like, now my safety'skind of in danger because he
really likes you.

(30:10):
I have no idea what's going on.
And you know, I'm talking aboutyeah, so that just felt that
vibe was uncomfortable for me.
And sh now she has a chance torespond.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, hey, actually, you know,that he was a he he we never
talked.
Or or whatever.
He just got my number and wasblowing me up.

(30:31):
You take that out of proportion.
And I could have responded andwe would have back and forth.
And maybe it would have worked,maybe it wouldn't have.
Or you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, actually.
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
No, I I I actually respect stuff like that now that
I think about it.
Um yeah, I told you aboutanother time I was talking to
somebody, and then like shecould have just easily ghosted
me.
Like super easily.
And then she actually just toldme straight up, like, hey,
actually, didn't really fuckwith when you said this.

(31:05):
And da-da-da.
And I read it, I'm like, Oh, Iwouldn't fuck with that either.
And I'm like, okay, well, yeah,yeah, I didn't mean it like
that.
I meant it like this,da-da-da-da-da.
And then, you know, you'reyou're you're friends again.
But um, right, right.
I respect that too.
I definitely respect that too.
Cause they can they can easilydo that.
Easily, easily just go shoot andjust keep moving.

SPEAKER_05 (31:26):
Right.
Absolutely.
So that was cool.
Like, I'm glad.
Do we put a button in there ornot really?
What you mean?
Uh, because I got some sillygoofy stuff on that I I think I
think you know.
Yeah, we do we did that.
Okay, all right.
So uh I'm I'm not trying to makethis to a you thing, but uh I'm

(31:48):
gonna just ask the question andit just kind of go where it
goes.
Alright.
All right, so uh you're you'repopular, right?
You're popular amongst socialmedia.

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Uh-oh, I thought we were yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (32:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you meet somebody same night.
We're take everybody out ofthis.
You're not talking in in thisworld that I'm scenario I'm
giving you, you're not talkingto anybody.
Right.
All right.
So you you go to a concert, yousee um a fine little chick,
y'all catch a vibe that night,and then you I have it's a

(32:23):
several part question.
Um you have sex with her thatnight.
Does that disclude her?
Disclude her for what?
From dating you in the future.
Uh no.
Okay.
She gives you head that night.
Does that no?
Okay, so those two things at alldoes not stop you from talking

(32:46):
to her at the future.
This is same same day meetingher and you having sex with her
that night.

SPEAKER_01 (32:53):
So it's got it it'll be like a little bit of
something.
But I'm what I'm doing right nowis taking what you're saying and
giving grace to the fact thatmaybe she still could be my
person.
Okay.
And we just had this strongattraction that I ain't never
did this before, she ain't neverdid it either, type thing.
You don't know that.
I don't know that I've gracedthis situation.

(33:14):
Okay, I got it.
So yeah, if it comes off, ifit's coming off as like, oh,
this was too easy, yeah, thennah, I'm it's over with.
Okay.
But if it's like, if I had totry a little bit, it's just like
we just really had a strongattraction to each other.
You know, I I will be thinkingabout that the next day.

(33:35):
Yeah, the next, the next seeinghow everything goes back to
normal and you know, the regularlife stuff, sure.
But I would be thinking aboutit, but I still think there's a
possibility that it could becool.

SPEAKER_05 (33:51):
Okay, okay.
Yeah, um, is there I'm I'm gonnago back to it, but um while I
because I won't forget, if shedoesn't um give head, does that
disclude her at all from havinga future with her?
So she's like, ew, I don't dothat.
I never will.

SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
Oh, I never will.

SPEAKER_05 (34:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
Her other qualities gotta be fire.
The moes gotta be at 100%.

SPEAKER_05 (34:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Is is that because you enjoyhead?
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (34:22):
Okay, okay.
Straight that should be makingme feel like a man.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
So I yeah, the the sex could befire.
I could put it down and all thistype of stuff, but like never?
That's wild.
I just think that's wild.

(34:43):
Yeah, yeah.
No, I but there are there arewomen out there.

SPEAKER_05 (34:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's plenty.
There's a lot, yeah that thatfind it disgusting.
Yeah.
Um, and yeah, so it's shout outto them and their partner, you
know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, like I and I landsomewhere where where you do.
Is that it's for me, yeah.
Um, having sex is better thanhair, personally.

SPEAKER_00 (35:07):
Uh-uh.
Uh yeah, it is for me too.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (35:09):
For for for the most part, you know, given every
situation's different.
But yeah, yeah.
But it's like the act ofservitude is more.
So for me, it's like, dang, youdon't want to please me.
Facts.
That you're unless you getsomething out of it, then that's
where I'm like, that seems kindof it's like a character issue
in a little bit a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.

(35:30):
If I'm over if I'm overthinking,uh-huh.
Yeah, like that's a little bitof a character issue.

SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
I think that's what it is too.
Cause when I think about it,just the just sex in general, I
don't really like do it for me.
It's just more like for themtype thing.
So that would be the only thingthat like you're clearly trying
to do this for me.
So it I maybe that does havesomething to do with it.
It's just like, oh, okay.
Um it feels like a balance orsome shit like that.

SPEAKER_05 (35:58):
Okay.
And so now let's go back.
I just wanted to because it wason my mind.
So I went before I forgot, Iwanted to kind of start start
there.
But anyway, um, so back to thesituation, you know, y'all have
sex, she's vibing.
She knows you from Instagram, iswhat I that's why I was saying
you're popular.
She knows you from Instagram.
I forgot about that part.

(36:19):
So um, do you does that play ina factor in how you think about
somebody?
It's like um it's like my umcelebrity, yeah, exactly.
Like you just fucked race sosilly versus you may not think
that, but like it's it'spsychologically in your mouth

(36:40):
because you it's clout.

SPEAKER_01 (36:42):
I you know, I don't be thinking about stuff like
that until I talk to a friend ofmine.
Like either you or Ken orwhatever, like, yeah, bro, you
also race so silly, bro.
I was like, oh damn, I forgot.
Like I am that too, but umusually when I connect with
somebody, usually when I connectwith somebody by the time all

(37:06):
that stuff is happening, itain't like race so silly
anymore.
It's it's like it's actually me.
We done had like a deepconversation or uh what do you
mean?

SPEAKER_05 (37:15):
You met her that night.
So so but she's still a vibe,she's still a good time.
And so I was saying her havingsex with you, her giving you
head, that that's that doesn'tdiscount so silly thing now.

SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
Yeah, um, I really be thinking about it.
I think it it would yeah, therewas no type of conversation,
because you you're talking abouta concert, right?

SPEAKER_05 (37:44):
Um, yeah, sure.
Well, I was just thinking like,okay, that's the one.
That's a vibe I gave, and Ithink so.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:49):
Yeah, the only reason I said that was that
means that there's noconversation between it's a
concert, and then the onlyconversation we would probably
have is either on the way to thecrib or no, no, no, like maybe
after or something.

SPEAKER_05 (38:03):
Let me give you a more specific situation.
Let's keep that concert scenariogoing.
And then you're leaving, she'sleaving.
She's like, hey, you're Ray SoSilly.
Can I get a picture?
Oh shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you're like, she's fine,she's a 10.

SPEAKER_01 (38:16):
Oh, no, I dare if that happened, I know for a fact
Ray So Silly fucked that note.

SPEAKER_05 (38:21):
Okay, okay.
So that's so so that's already anote.
She takes a picture, she's like,hey, you know, me and my friends
are going to this bar.
Do you want to come?
Uh-huh.
You're you you're you.
Yeah.
So this ain't no you up, you'rea millionaire.
You're you at this moment.
Yeah.
So, like, hey, I'm planningactually going home.

(38:42):
Like you said, you left theconcert, went home.
Yeah.
They invite you to the bar.
Um, they're like, actually, wegot bottle service here.
You know what I mean?
So, like, hey, we had this plan.
We want you to come along.
It's me and my girls, and thenyou come.
Would you go?
If if you're sing, yeah, you'rea single man, nobody's involved,
you're not talking nobody.
Yeah, you yeah, okay.
You go.
Yep, yeah.

(39:03):
She's a vibe, she's a greattime.
Y'all, y'all have you have yournatural conversation how you do
with if you're talking tosomebody, you get to know her.
She she does well, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
And she's a good time, and theny'all connect deeper.

SPEAKER_01 (39:18):
Yeah, well, shit.
Yeah, I mean, that the way youexplain that, it seems like
there is more grace on thatthen.

SPEAKER_05 (39:23):
Okay, but she knows you as race so silly, though.
That's that's why she invitedyou.
She ain't just obviously youain't the you're the only guy
there, so she ain't invitingniggas that you know what I
mean.
You're probably not the mostattractive dude at the
Bridgetone Arena.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she's not just attractingdudes.
Here, and you didn't sayanything to make her go.
She you just was raised sosilly.
Race so silly.

SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
Yeah.
Um, that that that would be.
I think my thing is is that I'mso used to not thinking about
that, I wouldn't even know thatuntil like the next day.

SPEAKER_05 (39:56):
Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
Yeah.
So when the next day when Ithink about it, then I'll be
like, oh damn.
I I don't I don't know if sheactually like vibed and shit.
Well, I I mean, clearly shevibes and we vibe together.

SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
But I would I it depend, it depends, it depends
on the girl.
I and the reason why I say thatis because I've hang out, I've
hung out with people that may belike a little standoffish, like
a harder shell that you gottacrack.
Um, and then you'll hang outwith somebody who's also a vibe,
but you could tell they're likea little too friendly, like a

(40:32):
little too open.
So that same night can be thesame for two different women,
and I could still have adifferent respect level the next
day for both of them.
Because it's just how they move,how they are, you know.
So I I still be feeling likemost of them be lying anyway
when they say I ain't had nonein a long time, and I ain't

(40:53):
yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (40:54):
You know, that is what it is, but and I'm saying
that y'all you're y'all talkingabout dreams and goals, you know
what I mean?
She she's she's she's tellingyou about her family,
everything, you know what Imean?
To where it's like, hey, I'mreally getting to know you,
yeah, at this moment, so theconnection is different, yeah.
You know, it's not just likehey, yeah, we just drinking,
turn up, take shots, you know,try the clock, you know what I

(41:15):
mean?

SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
Like, yeah, I I would give that yeah, that
person definitely uh morerespect.
It still again still depends onthe person and the vibe.
Okay, because like two peoplecan say the exact same things,
but just like the the inflectionand all that.

SPEAKER_05 (41:29):
I I totally agree with that statement.
I like that.
Yeah, um, um, okay.
So you know, we ain't just done.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So now you you so you agree thatyou're willing to build onto
that connection if that's justamazing, yeah.
I mean, uh it don't gotta bejust amazing.
It was cool, it was a good time.
You enjoyed it, you liked it.

(41:49):
I mean, what is amazing?
You know what I mean?
Like, is that the connection youbuild when you like somebody?
Like, all your connections hasbeen amazing when you first got
to know them.
Not really.
Some.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't want to be like, ohmy goodness, this this girl you
missed out on.
Like, she ain't.

SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
If I did feel like that, I would wake up the next
day and be like, Yeah, it's it'scalm down a little bit.
Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (42:12):
Okay, so yeah, so but you are agreeing that you're
willing to go further.
You get to know this person, youreally like her.
Um, you haven't uh put her inthe girlfriend box yet.
Right.
But to find out that she's slicka groupie on the law.
Uh-huh.
Is that gonna stop?

(42:33):
Like, she's a former groupie,excuse me.
Former groupie?
You're you're on the fringe ofy'all going together.
So she I'm she's a groupie as asingle person, but she's loyal
as when she's in a relationship.
Uh-huh.
You can work.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
Because nah.
Nah.
I remember I remember talking tosomebody one time, and she was
just joking around, but she saidit twice.
Like in a matter of months, thatwe were just being friends and
cordial.
And she was like, Yeah, butsometimes I just want to be a

(43:14):
hoe.
Like Spidey senses, just likesuper went off.
And then I went on herInstagram, and then she had a
video, and it was just like hoesbe like, or something, and just
made a joke.
And I'm just like, My girl can'tthink like that, you know.

(43:37):
Um, yeah, that would that wouldchange things for me a bit.
Would would it for you?
Um I don't think it would foryou.
For me, you don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 (43:46):
You you think I can deal with a groupie.
I think so.

SPEAKER_01 (43:50):
Okay, why is that?
I feel like I feel like yourresponse would be something
like, well, you know, at leastshe'll find something to do on
Saturday nights while I'mworking.
And I've heard you say somethingcrazy like that.

SPEAKER_05 (44:03):
Um, yeah, you heard me say that to somebody who I
didn't deem a groupie though.

SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
But I'm just saying, like, sowhat for you?

SPEAKER_05 (44:14):
So and and let's build let's let's build on what
you kind of just said a littlebit, because that's a
conversation in itself.
That's a boundary thing.
That's not yeah, yeah.
So which you're in talking aboutlike, hey, um, in uh previous
relationship, that like hey, youcan date other women.

(44:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's really kind ofreference you're bringing up.
That's a boundary thing.
That's not that that's theboundary of our relationship.

SPEAKER_01 (44:42):
Alright, so she groupy to to to yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Caitlani.

SPEAKER_05 (44:47):
I mean, if she grouped it to Kaylani and just
her, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
Yeah, but I was just saying, all the all the yeah, we
take men out the total equation.

SPEAKER_05 (45:00):
So I mean, but but yeah, if that's the same for
you, is that if I said she'sjust a groupie to one female
that's super popular, is thatgonna that's gonna disqualify
her?
I just don't know.
Probably not.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Probably not.
You think so?
Uh as my girl?

SPEAKER_01 (45:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (45:17):
Is she a groupie to other girls?
No, one one woman.
You just named one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
I'd be selfish.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (45:25):
No, so that wouldn't even go for you.

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
I don't uh nah.
I don't want them to like nobodyelse but me.

SPEAKER_05 (45:32):
I mean, that's I think that's in him and um like
that's just an impossiblesituation.

SPEAKER_01 (45:40):
No, I mean, sure, there are other people that are
you know that they're attractedto and right, right, because
like like is very loose.

SPEAKER_05 (45:47):
Like there's a difference between liking and
actively pursued pursuing.
You know what I mean?
Uh like attraction isattraction.
That's like.
You know, yeah, yeah.
You can't really help but to beattracted to somebody.
If they feel all the qualities,yeah, there's a bond there, then
you're gonna like that otherperson.
But I what I tell people how Ifeel in a relationship, I know

(46:12):
that, I understand that.
It may somewhat feel away.
That's something you you keep toyourself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
Yeah, so that that that's saying, like while we're
together, it's not like no,okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You were saying before we gottogether, she was just this
major groupie for whomever.
And then they got with me, andthen they're like super, super
loyal.

SPEAKER_05 (46:34):
Well, I was just saying you find out that she had
sex with Trey Songs and ChrisBrown.

SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 (46:39):
That type of groupie, not that she's gonna
like I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 (46:42):
I I it'd be it's hard.
It's hard to it's hard to lookat it like that.
What you mean?
It's hard to look at it likethat, because like shit, maybe
you know, when when one thing Ilearned about LA is that when
you're in the circles of thosepeople, it's almost like high
school.

(47:02):
It's like it ain't the worldanymore.
It's like it's condensed tocelebrities.
Okay.
So, you know, you'll you'll berubbing shoulders with Trey
Songs at this party, and youmight rub shoulders with Chris
Brown at this party.
Uh-huh.
And then at the next one, youmight see whoever and whoever.
So to say like they smashedthis, this, and this, I can kind
of see how that can happen.

SPEAKER_00 (47:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (47:25):
If you're in that world.
Um, but if you like backstagehopping, like trying to get in
with the this celebrity and allthat, I I feel like I would
respect that less.

SPEAKER_05 (47:38):
Yeah, so I'm not saying that she's Karuchy to
where she dated Chris Brown foryou know what I mean?
No, she yeah, she's a groupie.
Yeah, she got smut out by ChrisBrown and left, you know what I
mean?
And left.
I'm trying to give a grace backto the case.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, she didn't date Chris Brown.
No, yeah, yeah.
Chris Brown, no, she has she methim and had sex with him.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah.

(47:59):
So that's the groupie I mean.
Yeah.
Uh even if she's amazing and hasall these qualities.

SPEAKER_01 (48:08):
Yeah.
I mean, it just depends.
I think it just depends on thegirl.
Cause like shit, at one point,if I met like certain
celebrities, I'm smashing too.
If I go to the their concert orwhatever, and then they like
give me the eye, definitelygonna try.
Uh oh.
So there's some sense of like Ican see it.

(48:30):
It depends on the girl.
It depends on the girl.
Because there's the but you saidthe word groupie, and I I I only
think of groupie as one thing.
Like, it ain't no, yeah, it'svery like in coloring in the
lines.
It's like you're this one thing,and that person I can't get
with.
Somebody who's deemed a groupie.

SPEAKER_05 (48:52):
Okay, and to in what you said earlier about like, you
know, if it was me, I would havedefinitely, you know, had sex
with whatever celebrity that'sbeautiful that you want to name.
It's like groupie though?
One, that's different as a man.
Yeah, because of the doublestandard.
Well, I don't even want to callit double really, it's not as

(49:14):
much of a double standard aspeople might like to think.
It's because men, it's it's veryeasy for you to get a man versus
a woman willing to have sex withyou of high of higher caliber
based off of you know what Imean, picking you out in a
concert, that's completelydifferent.

(49:36):
Those aren't really a doublestandard, you know what I mean?
Those are actually just separatebecause that no doesn't really
happen.
A woman giving you access versusyou giving them access is is
completely separate, I think, ifyou ask me.

SPEAKER_01 (49:51):
I mean, it's still a double standard.
I think I'm I'm gonna be calleda groupie before I would.

SPEAKER_05 (49:57):
I could but I I mean, yeah, there are groupies,
I think there are male groupies,I agree with that point, but uh
yeah, a woman giving you accessbased off of seeing you is it's
highly unusual to where I don'tcall it a a true double
standard.
Because those situations feelcompletely opposite.

(50:20):
Because men pretty much to becareful stick their dick in
anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, versus a woman, shedoesn't give everybody access
the way a man gives them access.

SPEAKER_01 (50:31):
You're right.

SPEAKER_05 (50:32):
Yeah, so that's why I'm saying it's like really
polar opposites in a sense.
So you you you can't pictureself, well, I do it too, it's
like that's not even the samesituation.

SPEAKER_01 (50:43):
But I know I'm a well, I don't know.
I think we're saying the samething, but the conclusion isn't
the same.

SPEAKER_05 (50:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I would if if if you'resaying I do it too, that's I
don't look at it literally thesame.

SPEAKER_01 (50:55):
Nobody that's what I'm that's what I'm saying about
it even being a double standard.
It's just like I'm not gonna becalled a groupie for real,
unless I'm just fucking wildin'.
But um, yeah, they're gonna becalled that way before, like a a
man would.
So um I just it's because ofthat and because of how we think
of women who just basicallythrow themselves out there, just

(51:19):
the word groupie alone just hasa certain negative connotation,
negative, yeah, that is just acertain type of like personality
and decision-making skills thatit just doesn't align.

SPEAKER_05 (51:33):
Yeah, no, I I think yeah, I and I that's a very good
point.
I like it because I agree ahundred percent.
Is that yeah, like the the thesame person who's giving you
that energy that you're reallygetting to know on an intimate
level is not matching the groupyenergy that she's given.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(51:53):
Because that person who's veryintimate to you and a somewhat
level knows themselves a littlebit better.
And that and typically you don'tsee that in a groupie that's
just wilding out and making baddecisions, right?

SPEAKER_01 (52:07):
Yeah, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah.
But I I do say that, but Iwonder I don't know if I know
groupies enough to uh to havethat level of understanding, you
know what I mean?
Because like the times I haveUber, there's two that come off
the top of my head when um I wasthere it was this one white

(52:29):
lady, and she's like, you know,I I met Waka Flacca and then you
know I wound up hanging withwith them.
She didn't say she had sex ornot, so I don't know if she did.
But then she's like, you know, Ialso know uh what's the golf
first John Daly?
No, the white dude?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The old white dude?
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah.
And he has a bar downtown, sowhatever that.

(52:49):
And she's like, Yeah, I knowhim, yada yada.
I was like, how do you know allthese celebrities?
She's like, I'm a hoe.
You know what I mean?
But she was very, it was veryfun.
She was a goodconversationalist.
So I was like, you know, thatsounds very groupie-ish level.
And then the NBA Young Boy umconcert, I've driven these two
girls, they were both both verypretty.

(53:11):
And one was way more drunk thanthe other, to the point that
they were backstage, and theother girl um was mad that the
girl fell asleep and backstage.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then she's like, Man, youknow what I mean?
You everybody everybody liketrying to kick you out because
you're you're asleep backstage,you look crazy, you're
embarrassing me.

(53:32):
Um, and she's like, you know,and he's like, you know, I don't
be I don't be giving it up likethat.
And then she like, what, and butand then the other girl's dry.
She's like, well, you know I'm agroupie.
Yeah, and so I was like, maybethey do know themselves on a
level than yeah, uh, then what Ithink I realize.
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 (53:52):
Yeah, so facts, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh I wonder if they yeah, thatthat that makes sense.
Usually, from what I hear andsee, even on Instagram, if you
scroll, the girls that look likegroupies, like, like they look
like it.
You know, they give the vibe of,you know, if I meet Chris Brown,
I'm fucking.
Like, yeah, yeah.

(54:13):
They give that.
So yeah.
That's why I said two two womencan say the same things, but
like how they the inflection,the the mannerism and all that,
some one thing could be said,somebody could say the sky is
blue, and then somebody elsesaid the sky is blue.
Like, and it's just two totallydifferent meanings, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (54:34):
And and it's interesting because um now that
I'm thinking about it and tryingto put myself in some way, their
shoes, I'm not a woman, so I canonly do that a little bit, but
maybe it's the uh theadventurous side of them wanting
to have sex with Chris Brown,then ultimately them being uh
horny.
You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, I he out ofeverybody they chose me.

(54:57):
That means I'm beautiful.
Oh, yeah, you know they feellike yeah, yeah, and then and
then it goes to a point likethis is a story I can say for
the rest of my life.
This is like, you know, hikingup Mount Everest, you know, or
whatever they have in theirmind.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's more of an adventurethan them doing a sexual act,
you know what I mean?
Uh-huh.
Yeah, so so like maybe are wenot given enough grace?

SPEAKER_01 (55:21):
I don't know.
It had to be a whole notheruniverse for real.
Like different rules and stuff,because otherwise, yeah, it just
it just is what it is for real.

SPEAKER_05 (55:33):
Yeah, I think we need we need to have like a
female on the pod or something.
Yeah, no, we definitely dofigure this out.
Yeah, we definitely do.

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
All right, we'll we'll we'll we'll get it.

SPEAKER_05 (55:40):
We'll work, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But no, I I'm just thinking itout loud, like maybe because you
know, when I hear older womentalk about the things when they
do when they're young and howthey have a smile on their face.
Yeah.
But I was like, that's likehoish.
You don't even tell me you youyou disgusting.
I don't value as much.

SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
Right, yeah, that sucks.
It does.
It does kind of suck, you know.
I I definitely know a lot ofguys who well, all of us know a
bunch of guys who just like ranthrough women and they still got
this like status about them andall that.
But you know, if a girl after acertain point, you know, it's a

(56:19):
it's a it's it's the theproximity is you know, just kind
of small.
Let's say like for a college ora school, and on this specific
place, if that that shit startstraveling, like nah, I was with
her, I was with her.
I was then the value is shot.
It's over with.
But the dude on campus, that'she's him.

(56:42):
So it just it kind of just iswhat it is, you know.
I I don't even have um uh a curefor that, it's just how the
world is.

SPEAKER_05 (56:52):
Right, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (56:52):
Yeah, I don't think that'll ever change.

SPEAKER_05 (56:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's that's innate in us.
Yeah, for real.
You know what I mean?
Maybe that's just how we'rewired.
Yeah.
And I think that society triesto dewire you from that, and it
may kind of seep through it alittle bit, but we still have
that, like, there's somethingultimately wrong with this.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I and yeah, and and maybe get toa point to where we're like not

(57:17):
innately thinking about it or orthinking about it, but
subconsciously we are likethere's you can look at a
situation like I don't knowexactly what I'm seeing, but
this don't look or feel right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think we've all had that inwhatever situ environment we was
in.
Like this don't this feelswrong.
You know, like you're you'retelling me this is right, but

(57:38):
this feels wrong.
I don't feel good about thisdecision, even though I don't
think it's wrong.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Like, yeah, both of y'all can have yeah, on on if
both of y'all's list was thesame amount, it's just like why
why why is it like the same?

SPEAKER_05 (58:00):
So yeah, and it and all it depends, because I don't
think I have like uh I have andif your list was next to mine,
I'm I'm like, all right.

SPEAKER_01 (58:09):
Yeah, no, I'm saying not not for like um I'm saying
just for the most part ingeneral, just man versus woman.
Like, yeah, if if um just justpiggybacking off of the the
double standard thing, is itain't never gonna die out.
Ever.
Yeah, a woman who's who hasn'tdone it with that many people

(58:33):
and all that, like as soon as Ihear that, I be happy.
Hear what?
Like they have not um had toomany partners, and if it's like
a really, really low number,yeah, I'd be like, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 (58:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's the idea of beingchosen amongst others as well.
Yeah, that too, yeah.
Yeah, it's like, hey, you'reyeah, you're you're taking the
chess on me and you're you'rethinking I'm a good decision.
Yeah.
Like maybe do you think that hassomething to play with it?

SPEAKER_01 (59:02):
Um or to do with it?

SPEAKER_05 (59:03):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:04):
Sure.
No, absolutely.
I think if a girl heard that toowith a guy that she likes, and
he's like, no, I've only justthis very small amount.
And she, you know what?
I think you're right with theface that you just made.
I think you're right.
Because women do love men thatare wanted by women.

SPEAKER_05 (59:24):
I think, yeah, I think that we all have that a
little bit.
Like, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I don'tthink that if you're like, hey,
I never had sex with nobody,like, what are you a loser?
Facts.
Yeah, that's what I was justthinking.

SPEAKER_01 (59:36):
I was like, damn.
But no, I think I think it'smore more so for women.
Because if I if if I see, Idon't know, if I see uh a girl
at a club with a bunch of dudes,and she could not have done
anything with them.
It's just like kind of like,hmm, all right, you hang out
with a lot of guys.
But if there's a guy and it's alot of girls around him, it's

(59:59):
almost just like a Status.
But like a power, like some somepo some some sense of status.
Like I see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:08):
I see what you're saying, though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:10):
It's definitely a difference.
I yeah, I I agree.
I think so.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:16):
I've read it so too many times.
I've heard women say it, youknow, like I I don't know what
it is, but maybe it's some senseof desire.
Or like you said, like, oh, youchose me, but you have like all
of that going on.
You know what I'm saying?
You got all that that feminineenergy around you, but like I

(01:00:36):
want him to choose me.
You know, that I I believe thatis a thing too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I this I think we did it.
Do we have any final thoughts onthis one?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:46):
Uh final thoughts.
Yeah.
I wouldn't even risk it.
Yeah, my hour.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:51):
Okay, I got I got you.
All right.
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back.
We'll be back.
Yes, sir.