August 11, 2025 • 53 mins
Justin and Steven explore how our thoughts and words shape our reality, discussing everything from delayed gratification to the power of self-perception and intentional communication.
• Delayed gratification as a key to success, using the metaphor of scarecrows being intelligent because they work towards long-term rewards
• The importance of treating yourself with grace rather than harsh criticism when you fall short of goals
• How being intentional with your words can transform your mindset from limitation to possibility
• Understanding that what you think others think about you is actually what you think about yourself
• The psychology behind success mindsets and how language around money can either limit or expand opportunities
• How childhood and early experiences shape current behaviors and content creation choices
• The value of open communication with children rather than forcing them into predetermined paths
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante, steven Rafe.
Yes, sir, we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on in your world, how you doing Doing
good man.
Doing good, I feel good, I mean, I feel.
I think the word is fulfilled,I guess, like with life in
general.
I'm ready to lock back inthough, like we were talking
about before we startedrecording.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I feel good you know, I've just have a little bit
more time to do other things,and you know I'm with you on
that.
I just want to continue to makesure I'm utilizing my time
right now to continue to makesure I'm utilizing my time right
(00:49):
yeah, and making sure that whenI'm on the health journey, that
, you know, all my workpreviously is not in vain.
Yeah, by by taking, you know, bythinking that I can do like, uh
, your cheat meals.
But for me that cheat mealspirals into something much, you
know.
But of course then I got to getback into it.
Yeah, yeah.
And then all the time I tookwas not even there was no point
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to it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, yeah, because then I'm just back in that loop
again, yeah, yeah.
So just trying to make surethat I'm utilizing my time
wisely, stay disciplined andthen everything else will pay
off.
So not being patient and nottrying to rush it, yeah yeah,
yeah, so just yeah, exactly,stick to the routine.
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yeah, because once you do that,then, um, over time the results
are there.
Like you know, if you invest inan ira account, like put money
back you, you know, for savingfor your retirement, you ain't
going to be a millionaireovernight, but all that $100 a
week or whatever you put in acouple dollars a week, will add
in over time and you willfinally see that end result
(01:57):
Right.
And so just taking that into myown life, because I don't know,
if you hear about scarecrowslike, what makes scarecrows like
so intelligent?
Uh-huh, um, is I haven't okay.
So they say that scarecrows havea high iq.
Um, and what makes them have ahigh iq is that they're not like
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majority of animals, to wherethey're not doing things for
instant gratification.
Oh, meaning that they'rewilling to put in work over time
to get the result that theywant.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah.
So it's like results and youknow they'll come back to
something, knowing that thiswill help them over time instead
of trying to get that one thingat that moment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I haven't heard that.
I know it's like another blackbird, maybe a raven, something
like this, like one of thesmartest.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, and ravens scarecrows, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they, they cousins you know,yeah, is that like a different
word for it.
I mean, I think there are, yeah, yeah, cheetah jaguar you know
what I mean?
They're different, but they'reyeah, same thing.
I think probably a raven isreally the thing.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I just like scarecrow , Scarecrow definitely sounds
like a nickname For a raven Forsomething.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I did hear about that and pigeons.
Yeah, yeah, I did hear aboutthat, and and pigeons.
I think yeah, they're smarterthan what people think.
Like that, I think that's how,I don't even know.
I mean it's got to be real,like back then they used to send
messages yeah, like what birdsand shit how would you even do?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
that I have no idea, like hope for the best, but oh
yeah, yeah, it's, that'sabsolutely.
Yeah, I need to actually lookinto that more because that's
really fascinating.
Yeah, how is?
that even possible yeah, there'sprobably some, a lot of people
whose love letters never made itright, right, yeah, but somehow
it gets to where it needs to.
I mean, you hear that about theeagles, you know, and different
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things like that.
They'll attach it to their youknow little legs or whatever.
But yeah, that doesn't soundreal, but apparently that may
have been a real thing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's crazy.
That seems like that's a lot ofintense training.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, but how do you?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
it's not like you can fly your damn self so how do
you train it to go where youneed to?
Yeah, that far, yeah, yeah,yeah, because I definitely just
thought about it.
I'm like, all right, I couldsee, maybe they train it like in
the, the half a castle orwhatever from this side to that
side, but going from one kingdomto another.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah and maybe you know it's like the
movies.
I mean we're clearly getting upfrom the movies and like it's
not as what we think.
It is Probably yeah, becausethat just sounds crazy yeah it
really does.
Yeah, like, how does a bird notbe deterred?
Like, do a detour of some sorts, right?
(04:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, yeah,who knows?
But yeah, so just not with the,you know, just putting in the
work over time, not trying torush it, because I can really do
that to where, like, I'll do alot of the stuff to lose the
water weight or lose the weightin general and then just turn
around and just gain it again.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I do it sometimes too.
Yeah, my main thing with myselfis just just.
I don't speak badly on myselflike anymore, it's just I just
treat it with grace.
I just wake up and be like allright, bro, you did that, you
know.
It just takes a step for real.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So that's, that's helped me a lot.
Did you speak badly on yourselfin the past, like, yeah, like
you can, you can, um, like it'shelped me a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Did you speak badly on yourself in the past, like
yeah, like you can, you can.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like it's pretty much a norm.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So like, if I Like right now, like I could say I
can look at things like I toldyou, like now you know I want to
lock back in, you know I'llwake up and I got big dreams,
you know, know, so I can't justbe out here going to bars all
the time, like because I'm notgonna fulfill whatever I was
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supposed to do, versus, you know, like everybody, that's just
like one of my things.
So, um, but I just treat myselfwith grace because, if not, then
I used to have a norm of sayinglike damn, you fucked up.
Or like damn, you like, let'ssay, if I don't work out for
five days straight and I justlast week I had a body, and then
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now this week it just don'tlook the same, I'm like damn,
you just fucked yourself offfrom the shit that you know you
did, and like saying thatdoesn't help anything.
So, like you know, it's likeall right, you had your fun.
You know, just just one day ata time, just show up, and
usually that, just that helps me, um, it just helps me lock back
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in it's just over time, okay,yeah, yeah I'm very, very, I
think, like one of our firstepisodes.
I was just like saying howintentional I am with my words.
Yeah, like it's so powerful, soI don't.
I don't speak badly to my, Idon't give a what I did I don't
speak badly at all.
I remember that time I told you,I told you like, uh, my first
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day here, and I just went crazy,like I was just too happy and
they had a bar downstairs.
I was getting to know the guy,the bartender, um, and yeah, I
guess he with me or something,because he was just like I
didn't even realize how muchliquor he was pouring into these
cups.
But all that to say, like Iwoke up the next day and I'm
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looking through my text messagesand like it's just a bunch of
shit I don't remember saying topeople.
And then I'm like, damn, Iprobably could look at this like
, um, you know, damn, I fuckedup yesterday or I I probably
ruined this relationship orfriendship or whatever just
saying something stupid, butthen I'm just like I don't know.
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It's way easier if I don't lookat myself like as a failure.
Yeah you know what I'm saying,so I'm just like all right, bro,
you you had your fun, you, you,you made a little mishap, but
it's all good.
You know who you are, so youknow, just take this, treat
everything with grace right, I,I love, I love that.
You know, I extremely have thatproblem like yeah, it takes a
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lot of time.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, and you know I have that problem
to where I think about things.
It just comes to our brain.
I'm like dang I can't believe Idid that thing 10 years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah you should stop, yeah, yeah yeah, cause it's?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
it reminds me the story about Saul and there's a
scripture and he speaks to whatyou just mentioned.
You know Saul.
He changed his name to Paul andyou know he was a persecutor of
Christians.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You said what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, too manypeople.
What was it Abram Abraham?
Yeah.
You said what?
Maybe changing their names?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, too manypeople.
What was it Abram Abraham?
Yeah, sarai, sarah, like whyy'all keep doing that?
Yeah, I got you, I got you, Imean.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think it's a reflection of their newer self.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I get that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, I didn't never really think about it too
much, but there is a lot of namechanging.
But yeah, so Saul became Paul.
He was a persecutor ofChristians and became one, but
he speaks to that.
He's, like you know, notnecessarily living with regret,
but not too much reflecting onthe past and moving forward.
(09:45):
Just because of all his things.
I'm sure there was a lot ofwhat he did and I think it's
okay to self-reflect, but notharping on that and taking that
internally, because that canslow down your progression or
make you not want to moveforward Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And I mean there's something to traumatization with
that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, To where youknow you can get.
You can be sucked.
I mean, even when you get likewhen I worked in sales is that
when you hear no enough times,you assume that their next
customer is going to tell you no, so you no longer sell them
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that product.
Yeah, because you just assumebecause you've.
So you no longer selling thatproduct?
Yeah, because you just assumebecause you've heard so many
no's, so you go back to what youknow, what you think they may
like, and making decisions forthem.
And I can be caught in doingthat in my own everyday life as
well.
Yeah, to where it's like, yeah,I know she ain't going to like
that, so and then it becomesreality.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, literally, you just spoke that shit into
existence, and I have anotherpoint, too, that I want to say.
But I wanted to say somethingelse first.
The point that I want to makeit has something to do with
people, how people perceive you.
(11:01):
Right, I'm going to get back tothat, just in case I forgot.
Forgot, I just told you.
But uh, nah, man, being superintentional with my words is
like I didn't know how negativeI was thinking about everything
until I started to try to cutthat off.
And um, cut that off, and um,it's really bad.
(11:31):
Like it was really, really badand I saw how I could get caught
up in depression and like if Idon't work out for four days
straight.
And then I'm like damn like Imight wake up on day five, and
now I made the habit of notworking out.
And then I'm like man, fuck itwhat's another day.
But I literally just made thatmy reality, instead of just
showing up.
And every time I just show up,even like moving in here, I do
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need to like zone back in on theworkouts and shit, but it's
like just showing up, just touchthe weights, like that shit
helps a lot, like you're givingyourself grace.
It's not like you're tellingyourself all right, I got to,
all right, I have to do all ofthis two-hour workout to get off
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of the shit that I fuckedmyself over over the past week.
It's just like just show up, upand then everything else will,
will, will come.
And another point I don't saythings like it's two things that
I do.
Now I speak sort of in themillionaire.
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I tell myself I already have it, like it's already been done
type thing.
Okay, what's the strategybehind that?
It changes your mind.
Because when you say I'm goingto be a millionaire, like you're
speaking in lack, so likeyou're literally telling the
universe um, like I'm going tobe.
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If I say I'm going to beconfident, that means I'm not.
You get what I'm saying.
Uh, what was it?
I was just a washing machineyeah, it just sounds like the.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Uh, the coffee maker got bubble guts.
The coffee maker got bubbleguts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But yeah, it's in a place of lack, so and that's
what everything.
So I don't tell, I don't saythings like even if I don't have
the money to do something, Idon't say like this is expensive
Because it's only expensivebecause I don't have.
So my mind is telling me likeif there's a pretty girl right
here and if I think that I'm noton her level, I'm not going to
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talk to her like I'm on herlevel.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It completely shapes the reality of things.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It just feels like a lot of mental gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes, but also I believe that's how I believe,
that's how, like I feel, likeit's all connected to life in
general.
So that could be opportunitiesthat could be like, damn, I
ain't ready.
But if you tell yourself, man,I had a great interview and all
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that before it even happened,like they love me, I used to say
when I was at your house and Iwas looking for jobs, that
helped me with every singleinterview because I just looked
at it like in, like I alreadydid it, it's already done.
They love me that and theinterview will go well, whether
I got it or not.
So, um, yeah, I don't.
I don't tell myself things areexpensive.
I don't do that because then itjust makes me feel like I don't
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.
I'll make a habit of doing that.
So if I make a habit of it,then I'll walk past places and
be like, nah, I can't go in herebecause I da-da-da-da, and I'll
stay in that space, not knowingthat I'm training my brain to
think that this is an expensiveplace.
I can't go in here, you know,versus like I don't know, it's
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just like a different way ofthinking.
You right, it is mentalgymnastics for real yeah, it is,
but it helps.
I believe that's the path of ofbelieving.
I feel like it's allinterconnected, so like if I say
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something like that in a placeof lack, I don't even believe
that I deserve that or whatever.
And I feel like it's connectedwith God in general because,
like I've never what's the terms?
Like he gives you you know,stuff that you can handle and um
, I feel like life is just likeabundant in general.
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It's just the way that you lookat things and I feel like if
I'm telling myself like I can'tdo this or I don't have this to
do, that I'm gonna stay in thatplace, and I feel like that's
also a way of not believing inwhat's yours you know what I'm
saying Like it cuts it off.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, I think there's a healthy balance to me,
because you know a lot of whatyou're saying.
I want to take it and applymyself.
But I also live in the literalsense, to where if my bank
account is in the negatives, Iain't go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that isexpensive.
For what is that?
For my means, yes, yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, I don't know if I canrationalize it in that way, but
I agree to the point to whereyou're talking about the woman
who is out of your league or thething that you desire and you
can negatively perceptionbecause of how, because of what
state you're in at that moment,or whatever.
So I can see that and thatmakes sense and I can gladly
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apply a form of that to my life.
But if something, whether I gotit or not, is $1,000, I'll be
looking like these shoes are$1,000.
I got it.
I'm still not going to pay forthat thing, you know.
So I think, and then also likenot to say that you're saying
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this, but there's a.
Is there an element of beinghumble in what you, what you say
?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
mean, like, in what you, what you're saying, what do
you mean?
Like, um, like I don't want tocome off as arrogant when I when
in that state that you're in,you know, because like one
interview, like an interview, Icould be in in there, you know,
I'm, of course, I'm sellingmyself to them and I want to
also come out confident, but Ialso want to be humble.
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It's like, hey, this is anopportunity, um, that I believe
I can help you in, but also Iwant to be a part of this
because of yada, yada, yada.
You know what I mean?
No, well, cause it just is.
I mean, there's just a part ofit to where I can feel like, yes
, I want to take elements ofthat, but then it can come off
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as like I'm lack of humility ina sense.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Um, just what and I was just more so speaking about
that, like the interview portionof things, yeah, and I'm and
I'm saying it like almostdisagreeing with myself, but I'm
just saying a healthy balanceof both.
It's like, hey, I'm living inreality, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
everything ain't going to bepositive.
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That's just not life.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also I want to make surethat I'm coming off as confident
and humble, but it's not somuch arrogant as well.
I'm not saying that, you'resaying that, but that's where my
mind is kind of going to, so Iwas just trying to clear that up
in a sense there's a sense ofum.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, I completely agree with that way of thinking.
I mean, that's the normal wayof thinking um, in terms of,
like, just living in reality.
Like I may not be in thisgirl's league at all, she may
not with me, but I feel like Ifeel like there's more power in
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becoming who I know I am inthinking the other way, right
and growing and growing intothat person.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, and I think that's where you was going when
you was like.
I want to talk about perceptionas well, oh, yeah, yeah.
Because to that point it's likewho's to say, who's in
anybody's league?
Yeah, that's a perception thing.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh, right, yeah, Okay , so now we're here, so I saw a
post one time and it said youknow how, hopefully I'm going to
say this, right, but you knowhow, if you were to walk into a
room and let's say likeeverybody sees you, and you
think, let's say like you walkto a room and then everybody
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sees you, and then, like youalready know, like if, um, let's
say, let's say everybody has onblue and you have on red, and
you walk into a room, everybodygot on blue, you got on red.
You look around you like damn,they like this nigga got on red.
Look around you like damn, theylike this got on red.
You know like he didn't get thevibe, he didn't pick that up.
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You know, when you think likethat you're, you're telling.
How do I explain it?
well, the better way to explainit is you're telling yourself
what you think about yourselfand I was like damn, like that's
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like so real, so like if I,I've done that all the time,
everybody does it.
Like you think you think aboutwhat somebody else is thinking
about you, but in reality it'swhat you think about yourself,
but in reality it's what youthink about yourself.
Then you're like trickingyourself to think like damn,
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they think that I just go backto the girl.
This girl's like out of myleague.
You're telling yourself you'renot worthy enough for her.
So like you're literally it's,it's, it's the thoughts.
Like in your head is literallyagain like shaping your reality
when in reality ain't.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Nobody was probably paying attention to you when you
walked in or maybe like that'sa fire's red suit, yeah, so
pause real quick.
Have you watched the movie?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
crazy, stupid, love dog great movie you want to get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah it's a, it's a great movie, but what to
your point, when, um, uh, steven, steve carell was at the uh
beauty shop, or whatever,getting his haircut and then she
and he was like you know, wouldyou sleep with her?
I think ryan, ryan gosling wassaying that to the barber, she
like or uh, beautician, orwhatever you call her
hairdresser.
And she was like yeah, I would,and he's like you would, and
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he's like, and then you sayingthat now she's, it's self-doubt
you know, now you're doubting it.
So him saying that is like thatwas what he was giving off with
himself, like she's out of myleague, yeah.
And now that he passed that onto her she's like now doubting
it, yeah.
So it's just to kind of to yourpoint.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yep, yeah that is that I don't like.
Yeah, brother, like when youlike, take a step back and like,
think about thoughts and what,how, how, whatever reality you
have, it comes from your, yourthoughts, your thought process.
So I could, I could go to a barand say, oh, there's a lot of I
don't know.
I, I went, I went to a bar andsay, oh, there's a lot of I
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don't know.
I went to a bar, like last weekand I thought this I was like
everybody in here is having adifferent experience.
So like I could be saying, yeah, the music sucks here.
Or I could say the food isterrible, but somebody else is
like the food is great here, youknow, and all they did was
probably just order somethingelse, or I probably just came in
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on the wrong song or some shit.
But we all have a differentreality.
And if I was sitting on thisside of the bar and there's like
it's mainly men, but if I saton that side of the bar and it's
mainly women, it's two totallydifferent nights.
So I don't know, I just thinkabout that stuff.
All the bar and it's mainlywomen.
It's two totally differentnights.
So, um, I don't know, I justthink about that stuff all the
time.
So that's why I don't I'm socareful with how I speak to
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myself, how I view, like, theworld, you know, like not
thinking that I cannot graspsomething or or or obtain
something, just because I don'tnecessarily have it now trying
not to, because I feel like,like I said, I feel like
everything is interconnected andwith me it feels like
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everything is interconnected allthe way down to God in general.
So if I say like I, if I see anice ass car, I'm like damn, but
if I say it's expensive, in myhead I'm telling myself I'm not
going to get that shit.
And.
But if I say like, if I see anice ass car, I'm like damn, but
if I say it's expensive, in myhead I'm telling myself I'm not
going to get that shit.
But if I say like I don't know,just kind of act like I have it
already, or something like that, it changes my mindset to OK,
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if I'm making this much now, howdo I make this much to where
that's not going to be expensive?
Or this thousand dollar shoe,I'm not looking at it as a
thousand dollars, I'm justlooking at it as pocket change.
Like, how do I get to thatpoint?
It opens that up for me, versuslike straight up seeing the
shoes, like I can't, I'm not,never gonna do this shit yeah, I
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guess there's like I want tokeep going, there's a healthy
balance, because it's not that Idisagree, but I like well, I'm
saying that to preface beforewhat I'm about to say, and that
is I like to kind of live inthat world a little bit too to
where I like.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I still want to look at a Louis V Chon shoe and
realize that ain't for me,that's way too cost for a shoe,
yeah, and I ain't paying it justbecause it's a brand name.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Oh yeah, I ain't talking about yeah, I know, yeah
, yeah, yeah.
I feel like a lot of peoplelike that.
Yeah, yeah, so it's also it'dbe ugly and like, oh, it's got
lv on it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, right, yeah, because I also feel like I want.
I also want to live in a worldwhere, like justin got some
jeans on that's, you know, haspaint on him, you know, but he,
you know, he, he got it, but heain't never gone, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All of this is just like materialistic yeah, you
know like how adam sound everyyeah yeah, yeah, I'm in that
world.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I was.
I would still try to dress upto the event.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm in yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So I ain't gonna pull up overalls at a, you know, at
somebody's wedding.
Yeah, you know, but yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, but there's also, I
like, I like the mindset of it,you know, yeah, and there's a
grind to it too, like if you,I'm trying to think of the book,
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but it's the Power of Broke,which is not really what you're
saying, but pretty much it'ssaying that.
You know, it's pretty muchfinding opportunities when you
don't have a lot.
And they tell it's a book byDimitri, a really great book.
I recommend it to anybody.
But it was talking about howpeople stories of celebrities or
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people who got rich and whatthey because of their lack of
money, how they creatively madea way, like it talks about, you
know, like fubu selling umclothes well, he started fubu
like selling clothes out of avan and you know, letting
(27:03):
rappers wear a shirt foradvertisement, giving free
things to promote the brand andthings like that.
So it's, it's amongst his.
It's a lot of different storiesof that and I think there's
also a part of not having it inthe grind that you feel the
intensity.
When I feel it antsy a littlebit, it's about to be tight for
(27:30):
me.
I'm looking at these bills andupcoming expenses like I need to
start grinding, you know, yeah,yeah, that's, yeah, that's.
I feel like if I was to havethat mindset I don't know if it
was feel intense of the hustlethat I need to, you know, pursue
um, I don't know, yeah, yeah, Imean, there is a sense of
reality, like you know, to tothe situation.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Um, so, yeah, no, you're definitely right about
that.
Um, I guess what I'm saying ismore so knowing that it's, it's
just like a mindset thing that'salready it's just like trying
to, it's tricking yourself intoseeing reality differently.
(28:16):
So for that situation, if yousee that and you've got the
bills and all that type of shit,instead of feeling like antsy
and shit like that, I would havejust took it as all right, so
this bill's coming, it's alreadypaid.
What do I have to do to do this?
Now?
I just write it down orwhatever and then like I just I
(28:38):
I treat it, um, I treat it in away where it's not like me up
mentally.
You know what I'm saying.
So like if you know that.
You know, god damn, I wish Icould just like kill you.
But um, yeah, but if you know,I'm saying so like if you know
that you know, yeah, but if youknow what you got to do to get
it, it kind of like calms thesituation down as long as you
(29:00):
show up, mm-hmm you know, sayingso, that's, that's all I was
saying, just like.
It's just like flipping the theperception, right, what's going
?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
on and I mostly agree because I do bear a lot to the
left of you know can be stuck in, you know paralyzed to my own
mind you know, on why Ishouldn't do this thing.
And even you know, and it's justreally just my mindset, and
also the same thing withperception, and it's just really
(29:30):
just my mindset and also thesame thing with perception.
I think perception is huge andwe psych ourself out on a lot of
different things because ofwhat people may perceive you as.
And even if they perceive youas that some people you know, I
come in like I also live in thatworld as like who cares about
their opinion.
Yeah, yeah, Like some people,like in my mind it's like why
(29:56):
worth Some people I just don'tgo back and forth with, because
why do I care about going backand forth and changing your mind
, Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,I feel like a jerk in a lot of
that.
Like why am I going to waste mytime to change your opinion?
Yeah, Because, I don'tlegitimately care about your
(30:16):
opinion at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And move on.
I remember when I was drivingand this girl opened my door and
she opened my door and was likeis this for so-and-so?
And I was like, no, this is not.
And then she was asking morequestions.
I was about to start talking toher.
(30:38):
I was like can you shut my door?
Like I felt like a jerk, but Ialso wasn't going to go.
I didn't care to go back andforth with you.
I was like just, can you shutmy door please?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, care to goback and forth with you, as I
just keep.
Shut my door please.
And that's why I was like why,why do I?
I find myself doing that a lotin different things like, yeah,
I just don't care about youropinion and I understand the
(31:03):
living reality that some peopledon't care about mine right and
I think I'm okay with that too.
Yeah, so, um, it's like, yes,and also I don't care to do the
riffraff.
You said what you was gonna say.
I said what I was gonna say,you know, and I'll just disagree
, yeah um, I think creativelywith race old city and before
(31:27):
race old city too.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
that helped me me a lot to kind of go through.
I still have that sometimesLike wondering, like damn, I
don't know if this is going tohurt somebody's feelings, or
this joke with this celebritywhen they see it, are they going
to not fuck?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
with me.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But then I go through that sometimes.
But it was really bad before,like I damn near wouldn't even
do certain things online becauseI was just I don't know.
I cared a lot about what otherpeople thought and then you know
what kind of got me out of thattoo was being around people who
didn't give a fuck and it'slike as ken and tut, like
(32:09):
brother type.
I'm sitting here thinking abouthurting somebody's feelings for
a little joke.
These folks is nothing.
On Tiana Taylor in the video noteven so it's cool to be around
people because we can all getcaught up in it, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
no, I'm just thinking about, like, the streamers and
stuff.
Like there's a not to thatvideo that you're referring to,
not to that.
But some people are actuallyjust hateful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's likeokay, that ain't coming out of
being funny, you're you're funnyis stemming from hate inside
you, uh-huh yeah, like that dude, uh neon, you know what I'm
(32:51):
talking about?
uh, yeah, but but I'm watchingthat for his videos to know, I
didn't know he was like on somecrazy shit like that just saying
crazy shit, till he got on abreakfast club and they just
like grilled him okay, yeah,yeah, I don't know he's on
before, but some, and you gottaalso like it's shock value and
(33:11):
you're also having peoplevalidate, validate you, right,
and yeah, yeah, and you're doingit to be put on.
That's, that's the beginning oftime things.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, no, you're like that man was going crazy.
Yeah, it was.
It's leaning more toward yourpoint of like some people just
got like some type of hater I'msure.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I'm sure that is the element to that.
I mean, because I know what thekid looks like and he probably
wasn't a popular kid in school.
So he probably gets a rile outof people who are popular, yeah,
yeah, and and crapping on them,yeah.
So there's going to be a littlebit to that.
It's like he's dishing out thethings that was did to him, yeah
(33:52):
, and I'm cause I mean justlooking at the kid, you know it
just doesn't seem like he's verypopular and you know it's
probably on not being acceptedamongst the masses.
So so he's going to do I mean,it's just lashing out.
So I'm sure that is the case.
(34:17):
I just don't watch him enoughto know he probably he does look
like a little awkward, yeah,like he was a little.
I mean you, and that's probablymost of the streamers, that's
probably most of them, yeah,yeah, yeah, and I mean, and
that's fine.
I mean I think that I'm I'mwhen I'm excited for all the
opportunities that's given todifferent people.
But you know a lot of the kidsthat you, you know Joy, the
Yu-Gi-Oh and stuff like that inhigh school.
(34:39):
I don't know if you had thosekids too.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, no, I was in Pokemon.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, in high school.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, it was like middle.
It was like middle.
It had to be Coming out ofelementary.
Yeah, I used to go to Toys R Uson Saturday.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I mean, you're a child, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had
to book.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
This shit was big as fuck.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean it's whatever I'm saying, that Just even the Yu-Gi-Oh
kids.
That's fun to them.
Why would I take that?
Why would I Crap on what theyenjoy?
Yeah, so I was never reallythat person.
Because that's what they enjoy.
They really not hurt anybody,they're passionate about it and
that's a hobby, everybody youremember.
(35:20):
People collect coins andquarters half dollars back in
the day that hobby looks veryboring, but people are
passionate about it.
People are passionate like my.
My granny used to collect thesetype of dolls and they were
like weird dolls that I wouldyou know, that you would never
really want, but she enjoyedthat thing, yeah.
So everybody has their ownthing and so I'm here.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Huh, did the dolls look scary?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I can't remember them like that.
I wasn't scared of them.
So I I want to lean towards no,but they were just weird dolls,
but she collected them, yeah.
So there's just things thatpeople enjoyed too, but people
get crapped on that and then ofcourse you get negative energy
to you.
You're going to want to releasethat in some type of way or
(36:04):
form and he's giving it.
He.
I'm sure he's giving it back.
I'm sure he's traumatized fromthe things.
They that self-reflection.
You know that.
You know what we just spokeabout in the past, just like
harping on.
You know past experience,traumatization, all those are
real and I could see that in alot of what I show speed did and
(36:25):
what like in his beginningupbringing yeah, oh, I don't
think I'm familiar with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I justthought it's like, yeah, I could
see where you know he wouldmake the faces and it seemed
like he definitely had atroubling upbringing in the
beginning.
But now you see him he's morevibrant and it's more of a happy
(36:46):
element and love.
He's getting so much love andbrace and financial situation
able to help out others thatit's more of a funny loving
thing and him able to displayhis character.
Now he still has an element ofhim.
You know, going in on folks,like when he beat that Ashton
Hall dude like you suck.
You know he still has anelement.
(37:08):
Of course you're gonna gonnaheal overnight, but, um, but
it's completely changed fromwhat I've seen in the beginning
of his work.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I wonder if I've done that.
I mean I'm pretty sureeverybody's done it.
But like I wonder, justthinking about myself, if I um
ever was like I don't know,projecting something that was
like going on with me instead ofthe other person.
(37:36):
Yeah, like what you mean, justlike how you were saying about
the guy and you know theupbringing, not not I shall
speak with the other dude andlike he probably went through
some traumatic shit thateventually led him to say these
crazy things.
Mm hmm, and then I just wasthinking out loud like I wonder
if I've, or what instance in mylife did I like portray, you
(38:00):
know, something that wasactually like hurting me
probably, mm, hmm, yeah, Iwonder, I wonder if I've done
that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So my question to you is you have a lot of your views
.
The biggest ones are like theones that you have you flirting
in you with.
You know a female counterpartthat you're putting yourself in
a video.
And that's one of your biggestwork.
How do you feel?
(38:28):
Does it feel good to get thatgratification, to be like a
ladies man in a sense, like,does that feel good for you?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You know, you just, you just did that.
Yeah you know, you just yep,you just did that, yeah, um, I
just went further, like in myhead of yeah, going back, uh,
damn, yeah, maybe just beinghonest, um, no, of course you
know, like the gratification,yeah, the or, or, feeling like
(38:56):
that, yeah, that that that issomething that does make any man
feel good.
But maybe that's what it isactually that I grew up and I
felt like I never got a chanceto be like that guy.
You know, maybe other peoplethought that of me, but I didn't
(39:20):
.
I was scared of um.
Damn, that's crazy.
I was like scared to talk towomen.
Um, I was this light-skinnedguy but like I was not inside, I
didn't embody the, the, theconfidence of what I could have
(39:45):
back then.
So like I didn't, I don't haveno big track record of like, um,
sleeping with a lot of women.
I don't have the the back then.
I couldn't even hold aconversation.
You know shit, in college, whenwe started to know each other,
I didn't have the confidencelike, like a girl would invite
me back to her place and I justdidn't know what to do, you know
(40:09):
so like now I think that'swhere it comes from, that I've
been working on that confidencefor so long, mm, hmm, that I'm
leaning more into that, thatwhich I guess does come out in
my content.
But yeah, you saying that, I amrealizing right now it it can't
this, all of this, and I'm gonnalean more into it because I
(40:30):
feel like I'm I'm clever, wittyand like all this type of shit
and I see what goes, what takesoff.
So I'm clearly good atsomething right, right, dealing
with um, but just taking a stepback, yeah, I'm actually
realizing that.
Yeah, all that comes from atime, or a long time, of feeling
(40:53):
like I have the potential to belike that guy and I just never
was, mm-hmm, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I mean it works well with, with what you do and I.
It comes from somewhere.
Like if somebody emphasizesthis thing, then it's, you know,
whether it's passion orwhatever.
Like you know, you have yourfriends that put themselves in
videos with a lot of women thatare very sexually promiscuous
(41:21):
yeah, yeah, yeah it's not justbecause it's views, right, they
like to be around that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, otherwise yourideas wouldn't be on that.
Because you don't put yourselfin those videos, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly, or try togo in that world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's
not something you're reallyinterested in Facts yeah, yeah,
(41:41):
so you can see by some ofpeople's work what they're
really interested.
You know, like there's a reasonwhy Quentin Tarantino has blood
everywhere.
I wonder.
Yeah, yeah, because I mean he's, you know quote, unquote a
weird guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, makinghostiles, you know bone crushing
things.
Kill bills, wear their bloodsplatter all over the place.
That's not because, like hey, Iknow what sells, that's what
(42:03):
he's interested in.
He enjoys that type of world,yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's.
You see that in a lot of hiscreations.
Yeah, so that was just kind ofsomething that you know.
When we kind of brushed up onit before, I was like, okay,
this is just like something thatyou and it works because it has
(42:25):
a blend, you know, with yourcreativity and then how you
naturally fit in that Right.
But what also stemmed a part ofthat is that I'm watching
Perfect Match.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Uh-huh, and have you?
Are you familiar with PerfectMatch?
I just saw the thumbnailyesterday.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Okay, so it's.
I'm just interested, like youknow, I wish I would and I'm
kind of leaning towards it.
Maybe I will not be lazy enoughto come to the real a little
bit more.
But like the psychology ofpeople, and so I you know so,
when I'm looking at this,looking at the show, and so I
(43:08):
you know so, when I'm looking atthis, you know, looking at the
show, I'm like they're like whenone of the games is Like the
women, they'll be like a topicand then they'll write like a
phrase about the topic.
So like dates, you know, I wanta.
I'm.
This is not what happened, butI'm just giving an example.
(43:28):
You know, a dinner on the beachor whatever, and then you know
everybody will write somethingabout the date that they want to
see themselves in and they'lltry to pick their match and see
if that's who them, who chosethat In particular there was.
There was this one guy that hewas writing the right thing on
(43:49):
each topic to where now ladieswere interested in him.
And so I'm looking at that andI'm like they don't know him at
all at that, and I'm like theydon't know him at all, mm-hmm,
but now they find him moreinteresting than than they did
before, even off of these simpletopics, just by what he said
mm-hmm yeah, so it's just likethings like that when I was
(44:10):
talking about, like the ladiesman situation is like how,
perception things, yeah, littlethings that you can do to where
people kind of fall in a littlebit more so it's my mind just
kind of once you talk about.
Once I brought up ladies man.
It just reminded me of thesituation so I just bring it out
(44:32):
like mindset behavior and howinterested I am people's
behavior of why they find thingsinteresting.
So I'm looking at that it'slike, hmm, they don't.
This man can be actually a jerkyeah, yeah yeah, yeah and, but
nonetheless he's writing theright things.
Now people are falling over himbecause of this yeah, or more
(44:54):
elite, at least more interestedin him giving them.
Yeah yeah, because you know,yeah, no homo, but there I feel
like there's more good-lookingguys than him.
Yeah, but now that he's, he'sgetting pushed his value, he's
getting pushed a little bit moreyeah no, you, um, you cracked
the code on that I was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I was thinking that literally all week.
I was like why am I so?
I don't know.
It's just like why am I sointerested in women?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like you tell my making videos or just some
general like I want.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I want to know women better, like I want to be inside
, not necessarily like the, the,the the mind of being a woman,
but like To like know more aboutthe mind of a woman, like what
they want, what do they?
I don't know.
I'm just like really interested.
And even down to the content,I'm like I'm looking up, I'm
(45:58):
looking up like top romanticwhat I'm about to do, it's like
top romantic films.
I'm looking at my videos, whatgoes viral and like how to lean
more into that.
You know, um, like I told you,like I didn't have confidence
and all that like a while ago.
And even now, like I'll juststrike a conversation with you,
know a woman, just to get betterat talking, you know conversing
(46:24):
and all that.
And it's like it's kind ofmolding where I'm going a little
bit so like with the contentand all that and I was just
thinking I'm like, why?
Because it's kind of like,overly it's just different from
other people, like, for example,um, there could be somebody
(46:45):
whose whose content is uh, forexample, my content could have
went so many different waysbecause it's movies, so my brand
could have been something else,like I could have been, I don't
know, only talking to maleactors, just to go that route.
But like my brand is moldinginto this thing, I'm like where
(47:08):
did this shit come from?
And you, literally, just you,just that makes so much sense
Because I do.
I remember being in high school, I remember being in college
and, dude, I could look betterthan this guy, but he, the
confidence, I just didn't haveit.
And I'm like I'm wondering, I'mjust realizing now, talking to
(47:30):
you, like, oh, this is from back, then all this is just from
back then, and it's moldingeverything um, or a lot of what
I do now.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So, yeah, that that makes a lot of sense and you
know me being experiencingcollege situation with you.
I didn't grab that at all fromyeah I mean yeah yeah, yeah,
because I mean, from my how Ilooked at it, is that that you
had a lot of women that likedyou now what did you?
Do with that.
That's one thing and peoplecould have.
(48:02):
Maybe applied that simply to mein the element you know yeah
but outside looking in, therewas a lot of people that were
interested in you.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I didn't I I mean, if they showed up at my
doorstep it would be like kindof awkward I got you know like
that's why, as you remember, Ikind of just like stayed to a
certain amount of people forreal, yeah, like, um, yeah, so I
didn't, I didn't go crazy incollege, but I could have, I
(48:31):
just didn't have that yeah, yeah, confidence in me, yeah, yeah,
I think, yeah, and I mean, and,oh, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I'm glad we brought it back to that.
So how was?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
your dad?
Was you comfortable ever tospeak to your dad about women,
like what like asking questionsJust like.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Like, just like, have a dad combo, like I want to be,
like if, if I become a dad, aboy dad or whatever, so if I had
a son, that I want him to cometo me to feel comfortable, but
like I ain't gonna feel judgedby the questions that I asked my
dad, because I'm just curiousyeah, and did you have that?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
uh, about women specifically.
Yeah, um, I didn't really havethat, um, he just didn't really
come off like as a ladies manyeah so, like I don't know what,
I would ask him.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, well, cause I look at things as like you know,
you know your son's Growing.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
You know, if he's A straight man Like if he is A
straight man he's gonna beinterested In women.
So, let me Guide him to thequestions that he probably
should ask me, or I should Like,maybe insert In some things
that, some things that youshould know.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think I think I would be more of that dad than
mine was shout out to him.
But you know, like I probablyhad way more conversations with
my mom.
Okay, um, unsolicited, shewould just like tell me, you
know this, before I was, beforeI was even having sex, she just
showed me how to use a condomrandomly.
(50:22):
Okay, yeah, like it's.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
She would just do that did you feel uncomfortable
for you?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
no, I mean, you already know who your mom is?
No, no, I thought about that,when I when I said that I'm like
how else would she show?
Speaker 1 (50:37):
yeah, I understand I'm being everybody else.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
She broke the shit open and then put it on her
finger to show me how to do it,basically.
But no, it didn't make meuncomfortable because by then I
know my mom, so nothing issurprising after a certain point
.
But no, I had plenty, plentyconversations with her about
that.
But one day my dad said youknow, if you ever want to try
(51:03):
drugs, try with me first crack.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Here we go, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, he was talking about cocaine too, like you know
, if you ever want to trysomething, just try with me
first like well, that's cool forhim to say, though it's cool
for him to say yeah, I justdidn't believe that yeah,
exactly, yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
He would get so mad at mebecause I I used to smoke the
weed like college, college days.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm sure he thought I was a bad influence on you.
Hell, no, okay, no nobodythought you was a bad none of my
friends give that okay, um, butuh, yeah, no he said I did not
believe that shit like at alland I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
He said.
He said what I I'm saying that.
He said that.
He said, like you know, if youwant to try, drugs oh yeah,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
But I just like yeah, I don't, I just, I don't even
see that in my head, I think Iwould be more, more so that day,
tonight, you know, sit down andhave conversations and you know
, just to teach them whatever.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, I'm sure I'd be pretty knowledgeable absolutely
that by then absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I think that it's good to have that relationship
because I don't want my kid tobe high and I was like, hey, I
want my kid to be open, like Idon't.
I'm maybe going to push him todifferent things and try and
different things, but if he's aYu-Gi-Oh card kid, then oh well
you know as long as he's happyin that and that you know it's
like, do your.
Well, you know it's like aslong as he's happy in that and
that you know it's like do yourthing you know, yeah, yeah, yeah
(52:42):
don't let anybody tell youthat's not something you should
enjoy.
Yeah, you know, as long asyou're not hurting anybody,
you're happy within yourself,then cool yeah, yeah, that's the
same thing kind of with kayaright now um, she does not want
to be an actor, like at all.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Like I could.
I could take pictures with her,I can have fun with her, I
could sing around the house withher.
But if I say, like you want tobe in the videos, like no, you
know the play that she was at,she just did not, she did not
like it, she does not likeacting, and I'm like, damn, I
wonder if she'll grow into that.
But I do remember being likearound her age, going to see a
(53:24):
movie every single weekend withmy dad, knowing I wanted to like
be in movies.
Okay, so I don't think she isgonna be.
So I don't know what her thingis, maybe singing, but we'll see
, yeah, but I think we did it.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
No it was a good episode, all right.
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back.
All right, yes, sir.
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante, steven Rafe.
Yes, sir, we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on in your world, how you doing Doing
good man.
Doing good, I feel good, I mean, I feel.
I think the word is fulfilled,I guess, like with life in
general.
I'm ready to lock back inthough, like we were talking
about before we startedrecording.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I feel good you know, I've just have a little bit
more time to do other things,and you know I'm with you on
that.
I just want to continue to makesure I'm utilizing my time
right now to continue to makesure I'm utilizing my time right
(00:49):
yeah, and making sure that whenI'm on the health journey, that
, you know, all my workpreviously is not in vain.
Yeah, by by taking, you know, bythinking that I can do like, uh
, your cheat meals.
But for me that cheat mealspirals into something much, you
know.
But of course then I got to getback into it.
Yeah, yeah.
And then all the time I tookwas not even there was no point
(01:11):
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, yeah, because then I'm just back in that loop
again, yeah, yeah.
So just trying to make surethat I'm utilizing my time
wisely, stay disciplined andthen everything else will pay
off.
So not being patient and nottrying to rush it, yeah yeah,
yeah, so just yeah, exactly,stick to the routine.
(01:35):
yeah, because once you do that,then, um, over time the results
are there.
Like you know, if you invest inan ira account, like put money
back you, you know, for savingfor your retirement, you ain't
going to be a millionaireovernight, but all that $100 a
week or whatever you put in acouple dollars a week, will add
in over time and you willfinally see that end result
(01:57):
Right.
And so just taking that into myown life, because I don't know,
if you hear about scarecrowslike, what makes scarecrows like
so intelligent?
Uh-huh, um, is I haven't okay.
So they say that scarecrows havea high iq.
Um, and what makes them have ahigh iq is that they're not like
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majority of animals, to wherethey're not doing things for
instant gratification.
Oh, meaning that they'rewilling to put in work over time
to get the result that theywant.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah.
So it's like results and youknow they'll come back to
something, knowing that thiswill help them over time instead
of trying to get that one thingat that moment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I haven't heard that.
I know it's like another blackbird, maybe a raven, something
like this, like one of thesmartest.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, and ravens scarecrows, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they, they cousins you know,yeah, is that like a different
word for it.
I mean, I think there are, yeah, yeah, cheetah jaguar you know
what I mean?
They're different, but they'reyeah, same thing.
I think probably a raven isreally the thing.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I just like scarecrow , Scarecrow definitely sounds
like a nickname For a raven Forsomething.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I did hear about that and pigeons.
Yeah, yeah, I did hear aboutthat, and and pigeons.
I think yeah, they're smarterthan what people think.
Like that, I think that's how,I don't even know.
I mean it's got to be real,like back then they used to send
messages yeah, like what birdsand shit how would you even do?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
that I have no idea, like hope for the best, but oh
yeah, yeah, it's, that'sabsolutely.
Yeah, I need to actually lookinto that more because that's
really fascinating.
Yeah, how is?
that even possible yeah, there'sprobably some, a lot of people
whose love letters never made itright, right, yeah, but somehow
it gets to where it needs to.
I mean, you hear that about theeagles, you know, and different
(04:05):
things like that.
They'll attach it to their youknow little legs or whatever.
But yeah, that doesn't soundreal, but apparently that may
have been a real thing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's crazy.
That seems like that's a lot ofintense training.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, but how do you?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
it's not like you can fly your damn self so how do
you train it to go where youneed to?
Yeah, that far, yeah, yeah,yeah, because I definitely just
thought about it.
I'm like, all right, I couldsee, maybe they train it like in
the, the half a castle orwhatever from this side to that
side, but going from one kingdomto another.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah and maybe you know it's like the
movies.
I mean we're clearly getting upfrom the movies and like it's
not as what we think.
It is Probably yeah, becausethat just sounds crazy yeah it
really does.
Yeah, like, how does a bird notbe deterred?
Like, do a detour of some sorts, right?
(04:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, yeah,who knows?
But yeah, so just not with the,you know, just putting in the
work over time, not trying torush it, because I can really do
that to where, like, I'll do alot of the stuff to lose the
water weight or lose the weightin general and then just turn
around and just gain it again.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I do it sometimes too.
Yeah, my main thing with myselfis just just.
I don't speak badly on myselflike anymore, it's just I just
treat it with grace.
I just wake up and be like allright, bro, you did that, you
know.
It just takes a step for real.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So that's, that's helped me a lot.
Did you speak badly on yourselfin the past, like, yeah, like
you can, you can, um, like it'shelped me a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Did you speak badly on yourself in the past, like
yeah, like you can, you can.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like it's pretty much a norm.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So like, if I Like right now, like I could say I
can look at things like I toldyou, like now you know I want to
lock back in, you know I'llwake up and I got big dreams,
you know, know, so I can't justbe out here going to bars all
the time, like because I'm notgonna fulfill whatever I was
(06:12):
supposed to do, versus, you know, like everybody, that's just
like one of my things.
So, um, but I just treat myselfwith grace because, if not, then
I used to have a norm of sayinglike damn, you fucked up.
Or like damn, you like, let'ssay, if I don't work out for
five days straight and I justlast week I had a body, and then
(06:36):
now this week it just don'tlook the same, I'm like damn,
you just fucked yourself offfrom the shit that you know you
did, and like saying thatdoesn't help anything.
So, like you know, it's likeall right, you had your fun.
You know, just just one day ata time, just show up, and
usually that, just that helps me, um, it just helps me lock back
(06:59):
in it's just over time, okay,yeah, yeah I'm very, very, I
think, like one of our firstepisodes.
I was just like saying howintentional I am with my words.
Yeah, like it's so powerful, soI don't.
I don't speak badly to my, Idon't give a what I did I don't
speak badly at all.
I remember that time I told you,I told you like, uh, my first
(07:21):
day here, and I just went crazy,like I was just too happy and
they had a bar downstairs.
I was getting to know the guy,the bartender, um, and yeah, I
guess he with me or something,because he was just like I
didn't even realize how muchliquor he was pouring into these
cups.
But all that to say, like Iwoke up the next day and I'm
(07:45):
looking through my text messagesand like it's just a bunch of
shit I don't remember saying topeople.
And then I'm like, damn, Iprobably could look at this like
, um, you know, damn, I fuckedup yesterday or I I probably
ruined this relationship orfriendship or whatever just
saying something stupid, butthen I'm just like I don't know.
(08:07):
It's way easier if I don't lookat myself like as a failure.
Yeah you know what I'm saying,so I'm just like all right, bro,
you you had your fun, you, you,you made a little mishap, but
it's all good.
You know who you are, so youknow, just take this, treat
everything with grace right, I,I love, I love that.
You know, I extremely have thatproblem like yeah, it takes a
(08:30):
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, and you know I have that problem
to where I think about things.
It just comes to our brain.
I'm like dang I can't believe Idid that thing 10 years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah you should stop, yeah, yeah yeah, cause it's?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
it reminds me the story about Saul and there's a
scripture and he speaks to whatyou just mentioned.
You know Saul.
He changed his name to Paul andyou know he was a persecutor of
Christians.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You said what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, too manypeople.
What was it Abram Abraham?
Yeah.
You said what?
Maybe changing their names?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, too manypeople.
What was it Abram Abraham?
Yeah, sarai, sarah, like whyy'all keep doing that?
Yeah, I got you, I got you, Imean.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think it's a reflection of their newer self.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I get that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, I didn't never really think about it too
much, but there is a lot of namechanging.
But yeah, so Saul became Paul.
He was a persecutor ofChristians and became one, but
he speaks to that.
He's, like you know, notnecessarily living with regret,
but not too much reflecting onthe past and moving forward.
(09:45):
Just because of all his things.
I'm sure there was a lot ofwhat he did and I think it's
okay to self-reflect, but notharping on that and taking that
internally, because that canslow down your progression or
make you not want to moveforward Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And I mean there's something to traumatization with
that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, To where youknow you can get.
You can be sucked.
I mean, even when you get likewhen I worked in sales is that
when you hear no enough times,you assume that their next
customer is going to tell you no, so you no longer sell them
(10:23):
that product.
Yeah, because you just assumebecause you've.
So you no longer selling thatproduct?
Yeah, because you just assumebecause you've heard so many
no's, so you go back to what youknow, what you think they may
like, and making decisions forthem.
And I can be caught in doingthat in my own everyday life as
well.
Yeah, to where it's like, yeah,I know she ain't going to like
that, so and then it becomesreality.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, literally, you just spoke that shit into
existence, and I have anotherpoint, too, that I want to say.
But I wanted to say somethingelse first.
The point that I want to makeit has something to do with
people, how people perceive you.
(11:01):
Right, I'm going to get back tothat, just in case I forgot.
Forgot, I just told you.
But uh, nah, man, being superintentional with my words is
like I didn't know how negativeI was thinking about everything
until I started to try to cutthat off.
And um, cut that off, and um,it's really bad.
(11:31):
Like it was really, really badand I saw how I could get caught
up in depression and like if Idon't work out for four days
straight.
And then I'm like damn like Imight wake up on day five, and
now I made the habit of notworking out.
And then I'm like man, fuck itwhat's another day.
But I literally just made thatmy reality, instead of just
showing up.
And every time I just show up,even like moving in here, I do
(11:56):
need to like zone back in on theworkouts and shit, but it's
like just showing up, just touchthe weights, like that shit
helps a lot, like you're givingyourself grace.
It's not like you're tellingyourself all right, I got to,
all right, I have to do all ofthis two-hour workout to get off
(12:17):
of the shit that I fuckedmyself over over the past week.
It's just like just show up, upand then everything else will,
will, will come.
And another point I don't saythings like it's two things that
I do.
Now I speak sort of in themillionaire.
(12:46):
I tell myself I already have it, like it's already been done
type thing.
Okay, what's the strategybehind that?
It changes your mind.
Because when you say I'm goingto be a millionaire, like you're
speaking in lack, so likeyou're literally telling the
universe um, like I'm going tobe.
(13:08):
If I say I'm going to beconfident, that means I'm not.
You get what I'm saying.
Uh, what was it?
I was just a washing machineyeah, it just sounds like the.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Uh, the coffee maker got bubble guts.
The coffee maker got bubbleguts.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But yeah, it's in a place of lack, so and that's
what everything.
So I don't tell, I don't saythings like even if I don't have
the money to do something, Idon't say like this is expensive
Because it's only expensivebecause I don't have.
So my mind is telling me likeif there's a pretty girl right
here and if I think that I'm noton her level, I'm not going to
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talk to her like I'm on herlevel.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It completely shapes the reality of things.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It just feels like a lot of mental gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes, but also I believe that's how I believe,
that's how, like I feel, likeit's all connected to life in
general.
So that could be opportunitiesthat could be like, damn, I
ain't ready.
But if you tell yourself, man,I had a great interview and all
(14:25):
that before it even happened,like they love me, I used to say
when I was at your house and Iwas looking for jobs, that
helped me with every singleinterview because I just looked
at it like in, like I alreadydid it, it's already done.
They love me that and theinterview will go well, whether
I got it or not.
So, um, yeah, I don't.
I don't tell myself things areexpensive.
I don't do that because then itjust makes me feel like I don't
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.
I'll make a habit of doing that.
So if I make a habit of it,then I'll walk past places and
be like, nah, I can't go in herebecause I da-da-da-da, and I'll
stay in that space, not knowingthat I'm training my brain to
think that this is an expensiveplace.
I can't go in here, you know,versus like I don't know, it's
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just like a different way ofthinking.
You right, it is mentalgymnastics for real yeah, it is,
but it helps.
I believe that's the path of ofbelieving.
I feel like it's allinterconnected, so like if I say
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something like that in a placeof lack, I don't even believe
that I deserve that or whatever.
And I feel like it's connectedwith God in general because,
like I've never what's the terms?
Like he gives you you know,stuff that you can handle and um
, I feel like life is just likeabundant in general.
(15:55):
It's just the way that you lookat things and I feel like if
I'm telling myself like I can'tdo this or I don't have this to
do, that I'm gonna stay in thatplace, and I feel like that's
also a way of not believing inwhat's yours you know what I'm
saying Like it cuts it off.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, I think there's a healthy balance to me,
because you know a lot of whatyou're saying.
I want to take it and applymyself.
But I also live in the literalsense, to where if my bank
account is in the negatives, Iain't go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that isexpensive.
For what is that?
For my means, yes, yeah, yeah.
(16:36):
So yeah, I don't know if I canrationalize it in that way, but
I agree to the point to whereyou're talking about the woman
who is out of your league or thething that you desire and you
can negatively perceptionbecause of how, because of what
state you're in at that moment,or whatever.
So I can see that and thatmakes sense and I can gladly
(16:59):
apply a form of that to my life.
But if something, whether I gotit or not, is $1,000, I'll be
looking like these shoes are$1,000.
I got it.
I'm still not going to pay forthat thing, you know.
So I think, and then also likenot to say that you're saying
(17:21):
this, but there's a.
Is there an element of beinghumble in what you, what you say
?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
mean, like, in what you, what you're saying, what do
you mean?
Like, um, like I don't want tocome off as arrogant when I when
in that state that you're in,you know, because like one
interview, like an interview, Icould be in in there, you know,
I'm, of course, I'm sellingmyself to them and I want to
also come out confident, but Ialso want to be humble.
(17:50):
It's like, hey, this is anopportunity, um, that I believe
I can help you in, but also Iwant to be a part of this
because of yada, yada, yada.
You know what I mean?
No, well, cause it just is.
I mean, there's just a part ofit to where I can feel like, yes
, I want to take elements ofthat, but then it can come off
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as like I'm lack of humility ina sense.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Um, just what and I was just more so speaking about
that, like the interview portionof things, yeah, and I'm and
I'm saying it like almostdisagreeing with myself, but I'm
just saying a healthy balanceof both.
It's like, hey, I'm living inreality, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
everything ain't going to bepositive.
(18:37):
That's just not life.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also I want to make surethat I'm coming off as confident
and humble, but it's not somuch arrogant as well.
I'm not saying that, you'resaying that, but that's where my
mind is kind of going to, so Iwas just trying to clear that up
in a sense there's a sense ofum.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, I completely agree with that way of thinking.
I mean, that's the normal wayof thinking um, in terms of,
like, just living in reality.
Like I may not be in thisgirl's league at all, she may
not with me, but I feel like Ifeel like there's more power in
(19:20):
becoming who I know I am inthinking the other way, right
and growing and growing intothat person.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, and I think that's where you was going when
you was like.
I want to talk about perceptionas well, oh, yeah, yeah.
Because to that point it's likewho's to say, who's in
anybody's league?
Yeah, that's a perception thing.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh, right, yeah, Okay , so now we're here, so I saw a
post one time and it said youknow how, hopefully I'm going to
say this, right, but you knowhow, if you were to walk into a
room and let's say likeeverybody sees you, and you
think, let's say like you walkto a room and then everybody
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sees you, and then, like youalready know, like if, um, let's
say, let's say everybody has onblue and you have on red, and
you walk into a room, everybodygot on blue, you got on red.
You look around you like damn,they like this nigga got on red.
Look around you like damn, theylike this got on red.
You know like he didn't get thevibe, he didn't pick that up.
(20:36):
You know, when you think likethat you're, you're telling.
How do I explain it?
well, the better way to explainit is you're telling yourself
what you think about yourselfand I was like damn, like that's
(20:57):
like so real, so like if I,I've done that all the time,
everybody does it.
Like you think you think aboutwhat somebody else is thinking
about you, but in reality it'swhat you think about yourself,
but in reality it's what youthink about yourself.
Then you're like trickingyourself to think like damn,
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they think that I just go backto the girl.
This girl's like out of myleague.
You're telling yourself you'renot worthy enough for her.
So like you're literally it's,it's, it's the thoughts.
Like in your head is literallyagain like shaping your reality
when in reality ain't.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Nobody was probably paying attention to you when you
walked in or maybe like that'sa fire's red suit, yeah, so
pause real quick.
Have you watched the movie?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
crazy, stupid, love dog great movie you want to get
out of here.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah it's a, it's a great movie, but what to
your point, when, um, uh, steven, steve carell was at the uh
beauty shop, or whatever,getting his haircut and then she
and he was like you know, wouldyou sleep with her?
I think ryan, ryan gosling wassaying that to the barber, she
like or uh, beautician, orwhatever you call her
hairdresser.
And she was like yeah, I would,and he's like you would, and
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he's like, and then you sayingthat now she's, it's self-doubt
you know, now you're doubting it.
So him saying that is like thatwas what he was giving off with
himself, like she's out of myleague, yeah.
And now that he passed that onto her she's like now doubting
it, yeah.
So it's just to kind of to yourpoint.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yep, yeah that is that I don't like.
Yeah, brother, like when youlike, take a step back and like,
think about thoughts and what,how, how, whatever reality you
have, it comes from your, yourthoughts, your thought process.
So I could, I could go to a barand say, oh, there's a lot of I
don't know.
I, I went, I went to a bar andsay, oh, there's a lot of I
(22:51):
don't know.
I went to a bar, like last weekand I thought this I was like
everybody in here is having adifferent experience.
So like I could be saying, yeah, the music sucks here.
Or I could say the food isterrible, but somebody else is
like the food is great here, youknow, and all they did was
probably just order somethingelse, or I probably just came in
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on the wrong song or some shit.
But we all have a differentreality.
And if I was sitting on thisside of the bar and there's like
it's mainly men, but if I saton that side of the bar and it's
mainly women, it's two totallydifferent nights.
So I don't know, I just thinkabout that stuff.
All the bar and it's mainlywomen.
It's two totally differentnights.
So, um, I don't know, I justthink about that stuff all the
time.
So that's why I don't I'm socareful with how I speak to
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myself, how I view, like, theworld, you know, like not
thinking that I cannot graspsomething or or or obtain
something, just because I don'tnecessarily have it now trying
not to, because I feel like,like I said, I feel like
everything is interconnected andwith me it feels like
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everything is interconnected allthe way down to God in general.
So if I say like I, if I see anice ass car, I'm like damn, but
if I say it's expensive, in myhead I'm telling myself I'm not
going to get that shit.
And.
But if I say like, if I see anice ass car, I'm like damn, but
if I say it's expensive, in myhead I'm telling myself I'm not
going to get that shit.
But if I say like I don't know,just kind of act like I have it
already, or something like that, it changes my mindset to OK,
(24:25):
if I'm making this much now, howdo I make this much to where
that's not going to be expensive?
Or this thousand dollar shoe,I'm not looking at it as a
thousand dollars, I'm justlooking at it as pocket change.
Like, how do I get to thatpoint?
It opens that up for me, versuslike straight up seeing the
shoes, like I can't, I'm not,never gonna do this shit yeah, I
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guess there's like I want tokeep going, there's a healthy
balance, because it's not that Idisagree, but I like well, I'm
saying that to preface beforewhat I'm about to say, and that
is I like to kind of live inthat world a little bit too to
where I like.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I still want to look at a Louis V Chon shoe and
realize that ain't for me,that's way too cost for a shoe,
yeah, and I ain't paying it justbecause it's a brand name.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Oh yeah, I ain't talking about yeah, I know, yeah
, yeah, yeah.
I feel like a lot of peoplelike that.
Yeah, yeah, so it's also it'dbe ugly and like, oh, it's got
lv on it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, right, yeah, because I also feel like I want.
I also want to live in a worldwhere, like justin got some
jeans on that's, you know, haspaint on him, you know, but he,
you know, he, he got it, but heain't never gone, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All of this is just like materialistic yeah, you
know like how adam sound everyyeah yeah, yeah, I'm in that
world.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I was.
I would still try to dress upto the event.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm in yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
So I ain't gonna pull up overalls at a, you know, at
somebody's wedding.
Yeah, you know, but yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, but there's also, I
like, I like the mindset of it,you know, yeah, and there's a
grind to it too, like if you,I'm trying to think of the book,
(26:19):
but it's the Power of Broke,which is not really what you're
saying, but pretty much it'ssaying that.
You know, it's pretty muchfinding opportunities when you
don't have a lot.
And they tell it's a book byDimitri, a really great book.
I recommend it to anybody.
But it was talking about howpeople stories of celebrities or
(26:42):
people who got rich and whatthey because of their lack of
money, how they creatively madea way, like it talks about, you
know, like fubu selling umclothes well, he started fubu
like selling clothes out of avan and you know, letting
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rappers wear a shirt foradvertisement, giving free
things to promote the brand andthings like that.
So it's, it's amongst his.
It's a lot of different storiesof that and I think there's
also a part of not having it inthe grind that you feel the
intensity.
When I feel it antsy a littlebit, it's about to be tight for
(27:30):
me.
I'm looking at these bills andupcoming expenses like I need to
start grinding, you know, yeah,yeah, that's, yeah, that's.
I feel like if I was to havethat mindset I don't know if it
was feel intense of the hustlethat I need to, you know, pursue
um, I don't know, yeah, yeah, Imean, there is a sense of
reality, like you know, to tothe situation.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Um, so, yeah, no, you're definitely right about
that.
Um, I guess what I'm saying ismore so knowing that it's, it's
just like a mindset thing that'salready it's just like trying
to, it's tricking yourself intoseeing reality differently.
(28:16):
So for that situation, if yousee that and you've got the
bills and all that type of shit,instead of feeling like antsy
and shit like that, I would havejust took it as all right, so
this bill's coming, it's alreadypaid.
What do I have to do to do this?
Now?
I just write it down orwhatever and then like I just I
(28:38):
I treat it, um, I treat it in away where it's not like me up
mentally.
You know what I'm saying.
So like if you know that.
You know, god damn, I wish Icould just like kill you.
But um, yeah, but if you know,I'm saying so like if you know
that you know, yeah, but if youknow what you got to do to get
it, it kind of like calms thesituation down as long as you
(29:00):
show up, mm-hmm you know, sayingso, that's, that's all I was
saying, just like.
It's just like flipping the theperception, right, what's going
?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
on and I mostly agree because I do bear a lot to the
left of you know can be stuck in, you know paralyzed to my own
mind you know, on why Ishouldn't do this thing.
And even you know, and it's justreally just my mindset, and
also the same thing withperception, and it's just really
(29:30):
just my mindset and also thesame thing with perception.
I think perception is huge andwe psych ourself out on a lot of
different things because ofwhat people may perceive you as.
And even if they perceive youas that some people you know, I
come in like I also live in thatworld as like who cares about
their opinion.
Yeah, yeah, Like some people,like in my mind it's like why
(29:56):
worth Some people I just don'tgo back and forth with, because
why do I care about going backand forth and changing your mind
, Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,I feel like a jerk in a lot of
that.
Like why am I going to waste mytime to change your opinion?
Yeah, Because, I don'tlegitimately care about your
(30:16):
opinion at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And move on.
I remember when I was drivingand this girl opened my door and
she opened my door and was likeis this for so-and-so?
And I was like, no, this is not.
And then she was asking morequestions.
I was about to start talking toher.
(30:38):
I was like can you shut my door?
Like I felt like a jerk, but Ialso wasn't going to go.
I didn't care to go back andforth with you.
I was like just, can you shutmy door please?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, care to goback and forth with you, as I
just keep.
Shut my door please.
And that's why I was like why,why do I?
I find myself doing that a lotin different things like, yeah,
I just don't care about youropinion and I understand the
(31:03):
living reality that some peopledon't care about mine right and
I think I'm okay with that too.
Yeah, so, um, it's like, yes,and also I don't care to do the
riffraff.
You said what you was gonna say.
I said what I was gonna say,you know, and I'll just disagree
, yeah um, I think creativelywith race old city and before
(31:27):
race old city too.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
that helped me me a lot to kind of go through.
I still have that sometimesLike wondering, like damn, I
don't know if this is going tohurt somebody's feelings, or
this joke with this celebritywhen they see it, are they going
to not fuck?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
with me.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But then I go through that sometimes.
But it was really bad before,like I damn near wouldn't even
do certain things online becauseI was just I don't know.
I cared a lot about what otherpeople thought and then you know
what kind of got me out of thattoo was being around people who
didn't give a fuck and it'slike as ken and tut, like
(32:09):
brother type.
I'm sitting here thinking abouthurting somebody's feelings for
a little joke.
These folks is nothing.
On Tiana Taylor in the video noteven so it's cool to be around
people because we can all getcaught up in it, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
no, I'm just thinking about, like, the streamers and
stuff.
Like there's a not to thatvideo that you're referring to,
not to that.
But some people are actuallyjust hateful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's likeokay, that ain't coming out of
being funny, you're you're funnyis stemming from hate inside
you, uh-huh yeah, like that dude, uh neon, you know what I'm
(32:51):
talking about?
uh, yeah, but but I'm watchingthat for his videos to know, I
didn't know he was like on somecrazy shit like that just saying
crazy shit, till he got on abreakfast club and they just
like grilled him okay, yeah,yeah, I don't know he's on
before, but some, and you gottaalso like it's shock value and
(33:11):
you're also having peoplevalidate, validate you, right,
and yeah, yeah, and you're doingit to be put on.
That's, that's the beginning oftime things.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, no, you're like that man was going crazy.
Yeah, it was.
It's leaning more toward yourpoint of like some people just
got like some type of hater I'msure.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I'm sure that is the element to that.
I mean, because I know what thekid looks like and he probably
wasn't a popular kid in school.
So he probably gets a rile outof people who are popular, yeah,
yeah, and and crapping on them,yeah.
So there's going to be a littlebit to that.
It's like he's dishing out thethings that was did to him, yeah
(33:52):
, and I'm cause I mean justlooking at the kid, you know it
just doesn't seem like he's verypopular and you know it's
probably on not being acceptedamongst the masses.
So so he's going to do I mean,it's just lashing out.
So I'm sure that is the case.
(34:17):
I just don't watch him enoughto know he probably he does look
like a little awkward, yeah,like he was a little.
I mean you, and that's probablymost of the streamers, that's
probably most of them, yeah,yeah, yeah, and I mean, and
that's fine.
I mean I think that I'm I'mwhen I'm excited for all the
opportunities that's given todifferent people.
But you know a lot of the kidsthat you, you know Joy, the
Yu-Gi-Oh and stuff like that inhigh school.
(34:39):
I don't know if you had thosekids too.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, no, I was in Pokemon.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, in high school.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
No, it was like middle.
It was like middle.
It had to be Coming out ofelementary.
Yeah, I used to go to Toys R Uson Saturday.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I mean, you're a child, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had
to book.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
This shit was big as fuck.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean it's whatever I'm saying, that Just even the Yu-Gi-Oh
kids.
That's fun to them.
Why would I take that?
Why would I Crap on what theyenjoy?
Yeah, so I was never reallythat person.
Because that's what they enjoy.
They really not hurt anybody,they're passionate about it and
that's a hobby, everybody youremember.
(35:20):
People collect coins andquarters half dollars back in
the day that hobby looks veryboring, but people are
passionate about it.
People are passionate like my.
My granny used to collect thesetype of dolls and they were
like weird dolls that I wouldyou know, that you would never
really want, but she enjoyedthat thing, yeah.
So everybody has their ownthing and so I'm here.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Huh, did the dolls look scary?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I can't remember them like that.
I wasn't scared of them.
So I I want to lean towards no,but they were just weird dolls,
but she collected them, yeah.
So there's just things thatpeople enjoyed too, but people
get crapped on that and then ofcourse you get negative energy
to you.
You're going to want to releasethat in some type of way or
(36:04):
form and he's giving it.
He.
I'm sure he's giving it back.
I'm sure he's traumatized fromthe things.
They that self-reflection.
You know that.
You know what we just spokeabout in the past, just like
harping on.
You know past experience,traumatization, all those are
real and I could see that in alot of what I show speed did and
(36:25):
what like in his beginningupbringing yeah, oh, I don't
think I'm familiar with that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I justthought it's like, yeah, I could
see where you know he wouldmake the faces and it seemed
like he definitely had atroubling upbringing in the
beginning.
But now you see him he's morevibrant and it's more of a happy
(36:46):
element and love.
He's getting so much love andbrace and financial situation
able to help out others thatit's more of a funny loving
thing and him able to displayhis character.
Now he still has an element ofhim.
You know, going in on folks,like when he beat that Ashton
Hall dude like you suck.
You know he still has anelement.
(37:08):
Of course you're gonna gonnaheal overnight, but, um, but
it's completely changed fromwhat I've seen in the beginning
of his work.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I wonder if I've done that.
I mean I'm pretty sureeverybody's done it.
But like I wonder, justthinking about myself, if I um
ever was like I don't know,projecting something that was
like going on with me instead ofthe other person.
(37:36):
Yeah, like what you mean, justlike how you were saying about
the guy and you know theupbringing, not not I shall
speak with the other dude andlike he probably went through
some traumatic shit thateventually led him to say these
crazy things.
Mm hmm, and then I just wasthinking out loud like I wonder
if I've, or what instance in mylife did I like portray, you
(38:00):
know, something that wasactually like hurting me
probably, mm, hmm, yeah, Iwonder, I wonder if I've done
that.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So my question to you is you have a lot of your views
.
The biggest ones are like theones that you have you flirting
in you with.
You know a female counterpartthat you're putting yourself in
a video.
And that's one of your biggestwork.
How do you feel?
(38:28):
Does it feel good to get thatgratification, to be like a
ladies man in a sense, like,does that feel good for you?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You know, you just, you just did that.
Yeah you know, you just yep,you just did that, yeah, um, I
just went further, like in myhead of yeah, going back, uh,
damn, yeah, maybe just beinghonest, um, no, of course you
know, like the gratification,yeah, the or, or, feeling like
(38:56):
that, yeah, that that that issomething that does make any man
feel good.
But maybe that's what it isactually that I grew up and I
felt like I never got a chanceto be like that guy.
You know, maybe other peoplethought that of me, but I didn't
(39:20):
.
I was scared of um.
Damn, that's crazy.
I was like scared to talk towomen.
Um, I was this light-skinnedguy but like I was not inside, I
didn't embody the, the, theconfidence of what I could have
(39:45):
back then.
So like I didn't, I don't haveno big track record of like, um,
sleeping with a lot of women.
I don't have the the back then.
I couldn't even hold aconversation.
You know shit, in college, whenwe started to know each other,
I didn't have the confidencelike, like a girl would invite
me back to her place and I justdidn't know what to do, you know
(40:09):
so like now I think that'swhere it comes from, that I've
been working on that confidencefor so long, mm, hmm, that I'm
leaning more into that, thatwhich I guess does come out in
my content.
But yeah, you saying that, I amrealizing right now it it can't
this, all of this, and I'm gonnalean more into it because I
(40:30):
feel like I'm I'm clever, wittyand like all this type of shit
and I see what goes, what takesoff.
So I'm clearly good atsomething right, right, dealing
with um, but just taking a stepback, yeah, I'm actually
realizing that.
Yeah, all that comes from atime, or a long time, of feeling
(40:53):
like I have the potential to belike that guy and I just never
was, mm-hmm, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I mean it works well with, with what you do and I.
It comes from somewhere.
Like if somebody emphasizesthis thing, then it's, you know,
whether it's passion orwhatever.
Like you know, you have yourfriends that put themselves in
videos with a lot of women thatare very sexually promiscuous
(41:21):
yeah, yeah, yeah it's not justbecause it's views, right, they
like to be around that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, otherwise yourideas wouldn't be on that.
Because you don't put yourselfin those videos, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly, or try togo in that world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's
not something you're reallyinterested in Facts yeah, yeah,
(41:41):
so you can see by some ofpeople's work what they're
really interested.
You know, like there's a reasonwhy Quentin Tarantino has blood
everywhere.
I wonder.
Yeah, yeah, because I mean he's, you know quote, unquote a
weird guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, makinghostiles, you know bone crushing
things.
Kill bills, wear their bloodsplatter all over the place.
That's not because, like hey, Iknow what sells, that's what
(42:03):
he's interested in.
He enjoys that type of world,yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's.
You see that in a lot of hiscreations.
Yeah, so that was just kind ofsomething that you know.
When we kind of brushed up onit before, I was like, okay,
this is just like something thatyou and it works because it has
(42:25):
a blend, you know, with yourcreativity and then how you
naturally fit in that Right.
But what also stemmed a part ofthat is that I'm watching
Perfect Match.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Uh-huh, and have you?
Are you familiar with PerfectMatch?
I just saw the thumbnailyesterday.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Okay, so it's.
I'm just interested, like youknow, I wish I would and I'm
kind of leaning towards it.
Maybe I will not be lazy enoughto come to the real a little
bit more.
But like the psychology ofpeople, and so I you know so,
when I'm looking at this,looking at the show, and so I
(43:08):
you know so, when I'm looking atthis, you know, looking at the
show, I'm like they're like whenone of the games is Like the
women, they'll be like a topicand then they'll write like a
phrase about the topic.
So like dates, you know, I wanta.
I'm.
This is not what happened, butI'm just giving an example.
(43:28):
You know, a dinner on the beachor whatever, and then you know
everybody will write somethingabout the date that they want to
see themselves in and they'lltry to pick their match and see
if that's who them, who chosethat In particular there was.
There was this one guy that hewas writing the right thing on
(43:49):
each topic to where now ladieswere interested in him.
And so I'm looking at that andI'm like they don't know him at
all at that, and I'm like theydon't know him at all, mm-hmm,
but now they find him moreinteresting than than they did
before, even off of these simpletopics, just by what he said
mm-hmm yeah, so it's just likethings like that when I was
(44:10):
talking about, like the ladiesman situation is like how,
perception things, yeah, littlethings that you can do to where
people kind of fall in a littlebit more so it's my mind just
kind of once you talk about.
Once I brought up ladies man.
It just reminded me of thesituation so I just bring it out
(44:32):
like mindset behavior and howinterested I am people's
behavior of why they find thingsinteresting.
So I'm looking at that it'slike, hmm, they don't.
This man can be actually a jerkyeah, yeah yeah, yeah and, but
nonetheless he's writing theright things.
Now people are falling over himbecause of this yeah, or more
(44:54):
elite, at least more interestedin him giving them.
Yeah yeah, because you know,yeah, no homo, but there I feel
like there's more good-lookingguys than him.
Yeah, but now that he's, he'sgetting pushed his value, he's
getting pushed a little bit moreyeah no, you, um, you cracked
the code on that I was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I was thinking that literally all week.
I was like why am I so?
I don't know.
It's just like why am I sointerested in women?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like you tell my making videos or just some
general like I want.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I want to know women better, like I want to be inside
, not necessarily like the, the,the the mind of being a woman,
but like To like know more aboutthe mind of a woman, like what
they want, what do they?
I don't know.
I'm just like really interested.
And even down to the content,I'm like I'm looking up, I'm
(45:58):
looking up like top romanticwhat I'm about to do, it's like
top romantic films.
I'm looking at my videos, whatgoes viral and like how to lean
more into that.
You know, um, like I told you,like I didn't have confidence
and all that like a while ago.
And even now, like I'll juststrike a conversation with you,
know a woman, just to get betterat talking, you know conversing
(46:24):
and all that.
And it's like it's kind ofmolding where I'm going a little
bit so like with the contentand all that and I was just
thinking I'm like, why?
Because it's kind of like,overly it's just different from
other people, like, for example,um, there could be somebody
(46:45):
whose whose content is uh, forexample, my content could have
went so many different waysbecause it's movies, so my brand
could have been something else,like I could have been, I don't
know, only talking to maleactors, just to go that route.
But like my brand is moldinginto this thing, I'm like where
(47:08):
did this shit come from?
And you, literally, just you,just that makes so much sense
Because I do.
I remember being in high school, I remember being in college
and, dude, I could look betterthan this guy, but he, the
confidence, I just didn't haveit.
And I'm like I'm wondering, I'mjust realizing now, talking to
(47:30):
you, like, oh, this is from back, then all this is just from
back then, and it's moldingeverything um, or a lot of what
I do now.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So, yeah, that that makes a lot of sense and you
know me being experiencingcollege situation with you.
I didn't grab that at all fromyeah I mean yeah yeah, yeah,
because I mean, from my how Ilooked at it, is that that you
had a lot of women that likedyou now what did you?
Do with that.
That's one thing and peoplecould have.
(48:02):
Maybe applied that simply to mein the element you know yeah
but outside looking in, therewas a lot of people that were
interested in you.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I didn't I I mean, if they showed up at my
doorstep it would be like kindof awkward I got you know like
that's why, as you remember, Ikind of just like stayed to a
certain amount of people forreal, yeah, like, um, yeah, so I
didn't, I didn't go crazy incollege, but I could have, I
(48:31):
just didn't have that yeah, yeah, confidence in me, yeah, yeah,
I think, yeah, and I mean, and,oh, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I'm glad we brought it back to that.
So how was?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
your dad?
Was you comfortable ever tospeak to your dad about women,
like what like asking questionsJust like.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Like, just like, have a dad combo, like I want to be,
like if, if I become a dad, aboy dad or whatever, so if I had
a son, that I want him to cometo me to feel comfortable, but
like I ain't gonna feel judgedby the questions that I asked my
dad, because I'm just curiousyeah, and did you have that?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
uh, about women specifically.
Yeah, um, I didn't really havethat, um, he just didn't really
come off like as a ladies manyeah so, like I don't know what,
I would ask him.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, well, cause I look at things as like you know,
you know your son's Growing.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
You know, if he's A straight man Like if he is A
straight man he's gonna beinterested In women.
So, let me Guide him to thequestions that he probably
should ask me, or I should Like,maybe insert In some things
that, some things that youshould know.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think I think I would be more of that dad than
mine was shout out to him.
But you know, like I probablyhad way more conversations with
my mom.
Okay, um, unsolicited, shewould just like tell me, you
know this, before I was, beforeI was even having sex, she just
showed me how to use a condomrandomly.
(50:22):
Okay, yeah, like it's.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
She would just do that did you feel uncomfortable
for you?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
no, I mean, you already know who your mom is?
No, no, I thought about that,when I when I said that I'm like
how else would she show?
Speaker 1 (50:37):
yeah, I understand I'm being everybody else.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
She broke the shit open and then put it on her
finger to show me how to do it,basically.
But no, it didn't make meuncomfortable because by then I
know my mom, so nothing issurprising after a certain point
.
But no, I had plenty, plentyconversations with her about
that.
But one day my dad said youknow, if you ever want to try
(51:03):
drugs, try with me first crack.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Here we go, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, he was talking about cocaine too, like you know
, if you ever want to trysomething, just try with me
first like well, that's cool forhim to say, though it's cool
for him to say yeah, I justdidn't believe that yeah,
exactly, yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
He would get so mad at mebecause I I used to smoke the
weed like college, college days.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm sure he thought I was a bad influence on you.
Hell, no, okay, no nobodythought you was a bad none of my
friends give that okay, um, butuh, yeah, no he said I did not
believe that shit like at alland I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
He said.
He said what I I'm saying that.
He said that.
He said, like you know, if youwant to try, drugs oh yeah,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
But I just like yeah, I don't, I just, I don't even
see that in my head, I think Iwould be more, more so that day,
tonight, you know, sit down andhave conversations and you know
, just to teach them whatever.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, I'm sure I'd be pretty knowledgeable absolutely
that by then absolutely.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I think that it's good to have that relationship
because I don't want my kid tobe high and I was like, hey, I
want my kid to be open, like Idon't.
I'm maybe going to push him todifferent things and try and
different things, but if he's aYu-Gi-Oh card kid, then oh well
you know as long as he's happyin that and that you know it's
like, do your.
Well, you know it's like aslong as he's happy in that and
that you know it's like do yourthing you know, yeah, yeah, yeah
(52:42):
don't let anybody tell youthat's not something you should
enjoy.
Yeah, you know, as long asyou're not hurting anybody,
you're happy within yourself,then cool yeah, yeah, that's the
same thing kind of with kayaright now um, she does not want
to be an actor, like at all.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Like I could.
I could take pictures with her,I can have fun with her, I
could sing around the house withher.
But if I say, like you want tobe in the videos, like no, you
know the play that she was at,she just did not, she did not
like it, she does not likeacting, and I'm like, damn, I
wonder if she'll grow into that.
But I do remember being likearound her age, going to see a
(53:24):
movie every single weekend withmy dad, knowing I wanted to like
be in movies.
Okay, so I don't think she isgonna be.
So I don't know what her thingis, maybe singing, but we'll see
, yeah, but I think we did it.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
No it was a good episode, all right.
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back.
All right, yes, sir.
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