September 15, 2025 • 58 mins
Justin and Stephen explore profound life questions while reflecting on fear, truth, and relationships in this thought-provoking conversation.
• What we would do if we woke up with no fear tomorrow
• The desire to know absolute truth to life's biggest questions
• Whether soulmates exist and in what forms
• The ethics of leaving someone for another person
• Trust and the importance of actions matching words in relationships
• Whether humans are naturally good or naturally selfish
• What legacy we want to leave behind
• How exposure to violence in media affects society
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Stephen Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes, sir, and we are back.
I think we got a great showlined up for everyone here, so
I'm excited.
I'm excited too, man.
All right, all right, let's getit for sure.
How was your weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The weekend was good, man.
I've really just been superlocked in.
Yeah, you know um.
Yeah, you know um, I I don't Idon't even know what provoked it
, but just just really wanted toreach a new level with
everything.
So it's just another one ofthem spurts.
So I'm like man, fuckeverything, I gotta get it.
(00:37):
So, uh, yeah, what about you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
um, it was cool this weekend, just always just
working you know, the same old,same old.
It was a good weekend, you know.
Uh, yeah, it's always.
You know, I love to talk topeople about, like different
perspectives, what they gotgoing on in their lives.
You know interests and you knowit's it keeps it interesting
because, of course, it's a newindividual for the most part,
(01:00):
every single time.
Yeah, exactly so you get tohear about people's lives and
you know, of course, I'm sayingthe same old things that I've
said a million times over, likeare you from here?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
what do you do?
Can you sit in the back seat?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
yeah, yeah, yeah, so that you know it keeps it
interesting and lively and um,and it allows me to be educated
a little bit more like when youhear different perspectives.
So I mean I enjoy.
I enjoyed it, I had a goodweekend, it was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's funny, I think on the last episode we were
talking about spirituality andreligion, you were saying
something about the commandmentsand, randomly enough which is
why I read this shit For me it'ssupernatural it just lines up
Today.
Which is why I read this shit,cause it's like for me it's like
supernatural.
That shit just lines up todayLiterally, cause I'm an Exodus
right now.
So today, literally, it was onthe part of the 10 commandments.
(01:54):
That was like literally, the,the, the, the verse of the day.
Yeah, okay, that was crazy.
I was like dang, it's like damn,it would be the day of the
podcast that I would read this,because it was the last podcast
that you said something aboutlike the Ten Commandments and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what I said, but I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We got to review it, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, understood.
Hey, you want to just hop rightinto it?
Yeah.
Okay, you know I can go first.
You have some.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'll go first this time.
I'll go first this time, so allright.
So if tomorrow you woke up withno fear, what is the first
thing you'd do?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
If I woke up with no fear.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No fear about anything.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No fear about anything.
What would I do?
I would, but I still got mymind and my logic right.
Yeah, so I just didn't have anyfear.
I still got my mind and mylogic right, you know.
Yeah, so I just didn't have anyfear.
That's a very interestingquestion, because I'm waking up
as me, so I know I still haveobligations.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And that's very tough to also say.
Is that how much?
Because I do worry about others, like, what would that look
like if I?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
because I you just didn't give a fuck, you just
burned the house down and movedto paris.
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, I would never like intentionally hurt somebody
, but I still imagine I wouldstill have love yeah so I would
have love for a person to whereI still do my daily obligations
so I don't think much wouldreally change outside of like my
daily habits, but I would sayI'm sure I'll take stronger
risks oh, yeah, yeah exactly soI don't think my daily uh habits
(03:32):
would change too much yeah, umthat's a good one, yeah, yeah
but.
I know, I would take a biggerrisk in terms of like, put
myself out more.
Like you know, we always havethat fear of rejection, and so I
would want to make you know, Imean, so I would do that, like I
would probably be more of aperson who, uh, you know, sell
(03:57):
itself, brand itself.
I'm not, I'm not reallyphotogenic, so I'll probably,
you know, put more of my brandout there.
Yeah, and so I would probably,it would probably be more of
that line.
So I would probably see thedifference.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, yeah, that was a good one.
Yeah, yeah.
What about you?
If I, tomorrow, I woke up withno fear, the first thing I'd do,
you know?
I kind of say I believe I wouldsay the same.
I wish you didn't go first,because I wouldn't have heard
(04:32):
that.
Yeah, but like yeah, that makesa lot more sense, even for me.
You know, like shit, I couldjust walk into this building and
just shake, do what Kanye did,and just not give a fuck.
Just walk in here, go to thefloor when the boss at Poor
floor All right, and then justyou know that, moving with no
(04:54):
fear at all.
I think that that's somethingwe all should do a little bit
more of actually.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and I think to keep on further diving a little
bit deep into that it's like Ialso care about others than what
they think.
Yeah, and I wish I had less ofthat.
Yeah, yeah, I, I truly do,because I think about that a
little bit more than I feel likethe next person should yeah,
and that I hold on a little bitmore tighter to that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that that has, uh well, I wouldn't
say, slowed me down a little bit.
But um, you know, like with mycontent and stuff it's like out
there and like if I and I'mhopping in these scenes with the
actual person, so sometimeslike I could go a little further
, but I'm like if I meet them, Iwant them to kind of like me a
(05:41):
little bit.
So I might not say a certainthing, that might be hilarious,
but yeah, I can agree with that,for sure that was a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You got any others?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah.
So if you could know theabsolute truth to one question
in life, what would you ask?
I would ask, if I could, Iwould ask let's do this one
(06:13):
thing just for just for clips orwhatever, like when I, I mean,
they're watching this and seeingthis in real time it doesn't
matter.
But when we do this, like let'stry to say the question before
we say the answer, you know what?
I'm saying, for instance, I justasked uh, if you could know the
absolute truth to one questionlike what would you ask, like
(06:35):
you say, if I could know theabsolute truth?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
so just hold that shit clips and you know what I'm
saying I got you just just justsomething to throw out there.
I'm learning this too.
I appreciate that, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What was the question ?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
If I could know the absolute truth.
What was one question I wouldask?
I'm trying to find a way to askthe question.
I know around and I'll just saythe thing Um, I would ask God
to give me the answer to how Ishould give his believers or his
(07:16):
non believers you know what Imean.
Like I would try to like, likeyeah.
Like how should I give theanswer that you're real to
non-believers?
You know what I mean.
Like it would be like theabsolute truth, to where I could
give the thing that would makeit abundantly clear, if that
makes sense.
Because it's one question.
So I mean I have a million nothanks.
(07:38):
Yeah.
So if I had to kind of put it,because I was like, hey, did you
know John F kennedy?
Really, you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean, yeah, it's the moon landing reel exactly,
so I could.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm like dang, that would be a waste of a
question, because that's onlyone thing, damn who's gonna
believe this?
Yeah, exactly yeah.
So I would be like hey, how canI you ask, reveal yourselves in
that question.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I feel like that's not going to happen Again.
I'm in Exodus right now, right,bruh.
And then you know Moses ledeverybody out of Egypt, or
whatever.
And then you know that wholething and, for some reason, like
God kept showing over and over,like he's God, like the
different plagues and all thatstuff that he showed.
(08:27):
and then, once they got hungry,it was just like yo, like I
don't, is is they just neededmore confirmation, basically,
and moses like dog like y'alljust saw everything, yeah like
and the only thing that kind ofgot them to, because I just got
to the commandments right andthe only thing was like a whole
bunch of like lightning and fireand this and that and all that
(08:49):
you know.
So I feel like there has toconstantly be for now this is my
opinion, but I feel like therehas to constantly be huge visual
representation.
Yeah.
Of like this, this ain't magic.
Yeah, I see what you're saying,like it's constant affirmation,
not affirmation yeah, of likethis, this ain't magic.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I see what you're saying, like it's
constant affirmation notaffirmation, just like, like
they can see.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, this is this crazy.
We're in the middle of the seaand you know this shit split
like I think, I thinksomething's going on here.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't see no non-believer believing until
like some crazy, some crazy evenif they might be like well, you
know science yeah, yeah, yeah,I I just did, because otherwise
they'll be like all right,what's the next lotto number,
dollar number tickets.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So just oh facts.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , I was like okay, so, but I'm
asking him the absolute.
So he's all knowing, all youknow, all-powerful, so that's
one.
Otherwise I'd be like, allright, lotto question.
What's the lotto numbers?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
real quick.
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I can come up or run it up real quick, yeah, yeah.
So it would be something, but Ifeel like that would be a too
easy one.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Because mine's a little bit more deeper and
longer lasting, but I like theseshort fire ones.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think mine.
What was your question?
What was your answer?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
If I could know the absolute truth to one question
in life, it would be to ask Godwhy are we here?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I think that would.
That would say a lot.
Yeah, that would.
I've always wanted to know thatyeah like.
What is where we?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
what are we here for?
yeah, all right oh god, that's anice, that's a nice little
creation for being bored shitout here I mean, yeah, like
painters paint, you know yeah soit's like, yeah, why did you do
that thing?
I just like to do it you know,so it could always be just that
simple I mean, I guess, yeah,maybe I.
(10:57):
Okay, I like your line ofquestions.
Yeah, for sure, all right, yougot it.
Oh, I got it okay all right, soI think we've answered this
question before, but this I liketo do leading questions it's a
leading it's a real question.
I want to ask um, but do youbelieve in soulmates?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
um yes I knew that was going to be your answer yeah
, the only reason that I, I, I,um, stumbled with that was just
because it's a different waythat I take it nowadays.
At first I was like, oh,there's only one soulmate period
(11:40):
.
But I don't, I don't think soanymore.
I think it may be multiple,multiple, different types, even
like just me and you beingfriends.
It's not like a, a romanticthing, but like a certain type
of connection that's uh, so thatthey have like different
versions of, of, of the words,for it is something make some, I
(12:02):
don't know I I didn't get thatdeep into it, but I play.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There are different versions and different types and
I feel like you was going leanturds, soulmates and I?
I feel like there's, so myanswer is more so no, because
there's so many people out herein this world and there's so
many people that can fit the boxthat you want that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That's why I literally said, or expanded on
it yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So that's why I'll be like, nah, I don't.
But because sometimes you cantell like, hey, this person
actually may be right for me andyou can kind of tell when
they're not, and um, and someare easier than others.
You People don't truly revealthemselves and it's not unlike
some men.
Let's just intent that theydon't reveal themselves.
(12:49):
It's just the ease of it.
And then so comfortability, andthen you try to trust that
person a little bit more and bea little bit more vulnerable and
you're like, okay, I'm glad yougave me that part of you, but
that part of you is actually notfor me.
Yeah, and so that may take alittle bit longer to understand
(13:11):
and grasp and some people maynot get it, but that was, I
didn't think I was going to gothere.
If a girl leaves her man foryou, um, would you, um, feel a
part of you, feel like she woulddo the same to you?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't think I would.
Uh, I know for a fact that Iwouldn't trust that situation.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But what if she's your soulmate and she recognized
you as her soulmate and notnecessarily him and uh-huh?
So would would that, I guess,now bringing that to you?
How would you feel?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
um like she comes, and I would just I mean
hypothetically, just to, to, to,to piggyback off you.
I would assume I would feel thesame.
Like damn, like this girl is.
Leave your man for me.
Maybe it depends on how shedoes it.
(14:16):
Maybe it depends on how shedoes it.
Maybe, like Because in my head,when you said leave your man
for me, I'm thinking, like shemeets me, boom, oh, she likes me
.
I'm the shiny new toy and fuckthis relationship, I'm gonna go
to him.
I'm not gonna feel secure inthat and I don't.
(14:36):
Yeah, I wouldn't feel secure inthat, so I wouldn't even see
myself, first of all, like Iwould be in the middle of them
being together, and then I woulddamn her be obligated to get
with her in a way yeah, I meanif she's not obligated but
that's the feeling that I wouldbe giving off.
It's like you know you leaveyour man, you gonna get with me.
(14:57):
Yeah, I don't see me sayingthat, you know okay, okay, so so
there's no.
So if she has a boyfriend,you're not giving her any energy
I mean, if she gives me energy,you know I I wouldn't go too
far with that you know like if,if, if.
(15:18):
I'm assuming we have some typeof connection and we kind of
realized this can go further.
But the whole leaving your manfor another to me like it's so
many work husbands out there-yeah, that do that you know I'm
saying I you can kind of.
You've worked many places youknow, have you seen that a lot
(15:39):
exactly it's like I kind ofside-eye that whole thing in
general.
I've seen it many times Girlgoes to work, the work husband
treating her like you know she'ssecond-guessing her
relationship.
That shit happened to me, youknow.
It's like I just don't reallylike that you know, so it
(16:02):
wouldn't make me feel amazing.
I told you like I'm, so itwouldn't make me feel amazing.
I told you like I'm super bigon karma for me and you know
that's one of them things whereI feel like that's gonna come
back on me yeah, um, I, Itotally understand exactly where
you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's make that clear .
And I, in most cases, I lean onthat side.
Yeah, um, I don't take thatstance, um, because if it feels
right and if it feels right, itfeels right.
And um work husbands yeah,there are real things.
But also, in a lot of cases, Ican see where that man at home
(16:42):
is not doing his job.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We all can.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right and I feel like , hey, that person may not be
right for that woman, or viceversa.
There's truth to that.
Yeah.
So it's not like hey, he's anasty guy for doing this thing.
It's like hey, we also share aconnection and.
(17:06):
I enjoy my time with you.
So, like I said, it's not likehey, there is a point to where
it's like Brad, you like, youkind of foul a little bit that
there's that world.
But also, if you really likethat person then and you
naturally gravitate to thatperson, it's hard to to just shy
(17:27):
away from that too I canunderstand that too I can't
understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Um, I can understand it more if it's like, clearly,
y'all not supposed to betogether like he.
He's a domestic abuser, that'syou know, just something.
That's insane.
It's like bray, y'all shouldn'tbe together.
I could, I could understand itmore if it's like that.
But if it's like a okay, dudeand y'all just don't, you know,
(17:53):
y'all don't, don't, don't meshas much as we do, then you know
you got a decision to make onyourself.
Like I don't want, I don't wantto be a part of the decision
making process of you breakingup with your guy.
I should be outside of that.
You should do that yourself Tome.
You should do that yourself.
And then you know, if thatopens up, then I'll try harder.
(18:17):
But yeah, I see more of thefoul side to that situation.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because it is out of bounds.
Yeah, yeah, I mean because itis out of bounds.
So, yeah, I don't want to.
I feel like there can be.
There's always a layer of blackand white, but there's also
living in the gray and, yes,that is a foul person for
stepping out of bounds knowingthey're in a relationship.
But we all have relationship,we all have energy, we all have
(18:47):
connections.
Some people are meant to be forothers.
That's why I talk aboutsoulmates, the fact that is it
less foul if they wind upbreaking up and those two people
got together and they had along-lasting relationship where
the other relationship was onthe brink of disaster.
Yeah, so how foul really was it?
(19:09):
They was actually meant to betogether.
That person just was kind of inthe way of that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But it's different if you're married because y'all
made an oath to God and that's alifetime commitment.
That's super.
Yeah, that's a level.
But when y'all both technicallysingle, you're just in a
relationship like not even anoath commitment.
Y'all just have a boundary thatsay, hey, we're together, we're
going to be exclusive.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But you know how would you feel if you were
dating this girl and you thoughtshe was your soulmate that's
sort of the same thing thatyou're saying and then thought
she was so make that a.
That's sort of the same thingthat you're saying.
And then it comes out laterthat um, uh, uh, well, you are.
You already gave your yourspill on that, so let's say the
same exact thing, but she didn'ttell you that she was actually
married to the man.
How would you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
then she was married to him.
Yeah, as in like you said.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know we might be have a connection that might be
better than your person and dada, da butda.
But you didn't know this atfirst.
But when it came down almost tothat time frame of like her
breaking up, moving on, da-da-da, she actually was married.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I would say I thought it was her boyfriend,
but she actually married.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, but she's like I'm signing the divorce papers
today.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And, first of all, you're not my soulmate if you're
going to completely lie to me.
Yeah, you're lying to meactively.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
She lying to him.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
She was lying to him talking to you anyway, so I
don't know what she's lying tohim about.
You, nigga, like I mean.
So Work was great, that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Work was great's it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Work was great, that's the truth she's talking
to you the whole time.
She's the reason, you're thereason she didn't quit.
Yeah, like You're giving avague Like scenario.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
She's giving a vague scenario To her man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So yeah, so I, I gotta know what in the In the
realm of what's happening Intheir own situation.
She is, I gotta know what inthe realm of what's happening in
their own situation, Like, ifI'm enjoying my time, I'm not
gonna be.
I ain't the guy that's gonna belike we need to run off
together.
I just don't see me ever doingthat Just pack your bags.
Yeah, exactly Like we actuallymeant for each other.
I'm not that type of Likethat's a cut blocker world.
(21:19):
You're the soulmate guy, youknow what I mean.
I'm, I'm, you're the soulmateguy, you know.
So I'm not going to do that, soso, but I'll play the game that
you're giving me.
Yeah, in that saying, if you'reactually saying, hey, this is,
this is actually my husband, I'dlike, when you've been spending
me this whole time, you're aliar, that's a huge character
(21:42):
issue, like yeah, and that's,that's the outcome and I don't
play about the oath commitmentto God and now you're breaking
that up for it.
Nah, we're not doing that yeah,yeah so cause now you gotta
bring that back home into ourrelationship?
No, I'm not so that one.
That's not.
I'm not going for that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't fuck with that shit either.
Okay, I'll be too.
I'll be too bad if somebodylied to me and they were married
.
Yeah, oh my god, that's likethat's.
You're not supposed to do that,bro, at all absolutely not get
killed off of that absolutely,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So I and when I'm asking this question, what my
vision?
I'm picturing two peopleoutside of necessarily us Like,
like if I see somebody at workwho's in a relationship and
they're talking to somebodywho's single and they're having
a, they're getting close witheach other and sometimes you can
(22:41):
see it and be like'all are, youknow, completing each other's
sentences.
Y'all have a high electricenergy with each other.
Y'all get to know each.
Y'all know each other.
Well, she's talking, eventhough it's pillow talking, and
that's a line of she's talkingabout the relationship y'all
actually deserve each other.
Yeah, so I can see that and youknow, I understand you don't
(23:02):
want to break your man's heart,but you're not feeling him the
way you're feeling him.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I may say it and just being real, the guy in me
doesn't want to be that.
You know what I mean like.
I still want to keep it P andbe like you know, but I think
and that's why I try to be whereI was leaning to before about
like I'll respect it if you tellme you want to talk to other
people Is because that line Ijust want to keep honesty in
(23:34):
where we're at Like I'll respectit more if you're just like hey
, you know what the spice levelain't there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and you knowI'm starting to look elsewhere.
Give me the opportunity to stepup a little bit more, like, hey
, you know what, let me do more,you know.
Or I can be like you know, what.
That's way more than what I cando, hey, he.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't want With the wind girl.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Hey, I don't want to step on nothing y'all got going,
because also that spares me,because I can maybe that energy.
I'm not willing to step up foryou, but I may be able to step
up for somebody else because Ilike them more.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know what I mean.
That is a thing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So it's fair.
It's like, hey, I just want anopportunity to get the chance.
I don't like to being, you know, somebody doing things behind
my back and I'm keeping a p andyou actually.
No, I didn't really care to bein this relationship, it was
just I couldn't find a way to,you know, break it to you like
you could have always did that.
I've gave you every opportunity.
I made that abundantly clear.
(24:40):
I've I've talked about like I'mlooking you know how do you
want to play this Relationship,are you?
Do you want to Talk to others?
Do you Want to just talk?
Do you want to Break up andjust talk?
You know, I mean and keep Anopen mind.
I'm always.
I'd rather you bring it to meand instead Of keeping it and
just doing the side thing.
Yeah yeah, because that's likeit's hard to come back from that
(25:03):
once I find out that that's thecase.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, but just give me an opportunity to take a
chance.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Because I'm human, I understand One.
I see it in other people.
And then what do you think?
I don't see a pretty girl whenhe walks in the room, Like I
don't see anybody who has goodenergy.
Yeah like I'm completely blindto it.
No, I get it, so can see if, ifit can happen to me, it can
(25:29):
damn sure happen to you yeahyeah, I'm fair in that way.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I think the main reason of why, um, the main
reason of, you know, even if Idid so quote have this amazing
connection with this girl whohas a man, excuse me, I just
always think about, there'salways somebody like prettier,
has more money, taller, bettercertain things than, um, someone
(25:59):
else.
So just because I'm coming inyour life, right, right, like
this, I feel like all right ifwe having something, and then
there's another guy that canpossibly come in and he's
hitting marks that I'm nothitting, it's just like I'm
going to look at what you didwith your guy and that would
(26:20):
make me feel like insecure aboutyou, so I wouldn't even mess
with that yeah, everybody'stheir own individual.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you're, if you're, if that's what you're looking
for, then she, I think she, intime she can, she's going to
truly reveal herself to you.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
If she's like hey, I'm looking for a guy with a
check, she's going no no, I'mjust saying like for me to to in
that pocket of time, I would befulfilling something that I
will be filling a void.
So to me, I'm looking at whatyou're doing with me as a red
flag.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I mean, I think that's fair to analyze it that
way, but a connection is aconnection yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I still feel like it could happen.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Still could happen, still after yeah, I mean, yes,
they can get bored, for sure,and they can get tired of you
and you vice versa, yeah, yeah,I mean, and all all those things
are possibility, but that'swhat taking risk is about, like
that, and I and I'm saying thatbecause that's in any
(27:27):
relationship you're doing thatAny, regardless if they have a
boyfriend or not.
You're taking a risk with thatsingle person too.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
OK, yeah, they can be .
I thought you were saying yeah,yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, so.
So even if this if you're bothcoming together single, she can
be tired of you later on, justlike if she was in a
relationship.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, so that's Might as well.
She got a nigga yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
If you want to break it down like that, fine, yeah,
but I'm I, like I said, I standon my mind, is going to go there
too.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But also I am going to feel like, hey, we're all
individual and we all offersomething different because we
have our own unique experience,experiences, personalities,
perspectives, and we can.
We can maybe clash togetherbecause and and it's not you're
taking a risk, she's taking arisk on you, yada, yada, yeah,
(28:26):
yeah.
So, but that's always aconversation you can have with
her and say, hey, I do love you,but this thing it's, you know,
I just want some validation yeahlike you're breaking up with
the man for me, and how?
how do I know you won't do thisto me?
So there's a question you canand just leave it there.
What's she going?
To say I would never, who knows, but if you don't ask the
(28:50):
question, so like Well, lies gotto come out after that.
Maybe, but you're looking ather, you're analyzing, like
that's a damn lie, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Or she'd be like you know what I would leave your ass
.
I knew it.
You want Chick-fil-A.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't know what the answer is, but she's going to
be like sometimes it's not aboutthe answer itself, it's about
how you answer it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
How you react.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
How the answer is.
You know answer it.
How you react like, how, howthe answer is you're like you
know, there's just somethingabout you, you know like, and
however it's like, I don't evenget it.
And then you're like okay, I,it's the feeling that you get
you know what I mean.
So it's not really just like,hey, I don't know, you know what
I mean, and just keep itpushing like no, that don't
really make me feel good yeah,yeah or like I love you, or you
(29:46):
can see something generic, likeyou're just saying that yeah,
yeah, but if there's like Idon't know what it is with you,
it's just a connection that wegot together, I've never felt
anything like this, and shecould maybe say that simply or
plain.
But it's really how should theysay it?
And now you, how the connection.
You feel she could beabsolutely lying, but you don't.
I mean, you can never.
(30:06):
True.
If somebody's lying, it's hardto really, you know, to there's
a level of trust that you got tobe invulnerable because anybody
or anybody can lie to you atany moment and you, there's a
level of trust to thatregardless.
And you, vice versa, I'm notsure.
I'm sure you there's.
You haven't said the truth 100%of the time ever.
Yeah of course so yeah, yeah,I'm sure you lied to your
(30:29):
girlfriend about somethingwhether it's small or not.
Yeah, yeah, so absolutely yeahyeah, okay, so I like the
discussion of where we're at um.
Would you leave a girl foranother if you feel like she's
the?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
one no no, I wouldn't break up with somebody to get
with somebody else I don't seeme doing that because you know I
was in a relationship along-term relationship and then
you know there's ups and downswith that.
There are times where you justdon't really like your person.
(31:06):
And then you might see somebodyelse pretty, or y'all might
have a conversation or likethey're, you know, super cool.
You're like, damn, I wonderwhat that would be like if I
would have met them at anothertime.
But that shit eats me.
I'm just like not a F boy atheart.
Like I can't, I can't do it.
(31:27):
It's just something about goingback to your person and seeing
them like messed up oversomething that you've done.
I'd rather stick it out withthat person, or or not stick it
out, but like completely inthings, and then you know, if
(31:50):
know, if that happens later,sure, but I'm not breaking up
with somebody to get withsomebody.
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Would you do that?
I'm with you.
Um, I think that, uh, this timeis like you.
What you mentioned is like dang.
You know, if I would had hadbeen with Yadda Yadda, then
maybe there could be a future.
And you know, my rule is like,I don't do numbers or Instagram
(32:16):
or anything like that.
We're exchanging, because it'sjust not.
You'll get caught.
Get caught, no, no, no.
I don't want to put myself in atemptation.
Error, so it's like hey, I'llleave it where it's at right at
this moment.
Yeah, yeah, uh, so I'm, I'll,I'll lean toward that and I'll
take the l's, like you know what, but, like I said, I'm not a
(32:38):
soulmate guy.
Yeah, so I think there's forevery one of those that I like
dang that was.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
She seemed like a great person there's another
person who's going to come along.
Yeah, yeah, I do agree withthat.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There are a lot of a lot of people out there.
So whatever is meant to ha,like, I don't always like what.
What is meant to be is meant tobe is like that's the like,
that's like the most obviousthing.
I don't want to justgenerically say that, but there
is truth into like, hey, I'mwhat.
If I'm supposed to be here,then I am, and if that person
(33:15):
comes along again magically,then it may be meant to be yeah
yeah, exactly, yeah.
So, uh, I think we both kind ofland there and I think we both
would have said yeah, because Ijust feel like and you said
(33:36):
F-boy, like living in that F-boyworld.
I think that's very black andwhite too because, I wouldn't
consider that necessarily anF-boy move.
If you're breaking up withsomebody to be with somebody
else, I think the F-boy comes inis when you're hiding.
(33:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeahexactly.
And hiding the information.
That's where the F-boy comesalong.
But I think that yes, it's meanto a, but I think that yes,
it's it's mean to assert it's.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I don't even think it's mean I think it's just
being real we're not meant to be.
Yeah, exactly, it's not meantto be.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's a hard truth yeah yeah, and and that's where
I think us men get caught up inis that we don't want to break
the other person's heart mm-hmmbut deep down they know it too,
and in the the longer that y'alltogether you're not doing her a
favor as well.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Facts she could be with yeah, it's like you could
find somebody who's really meantfor you, and I understand.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I want to make this thing work too, but, honestly,
we can see the writing on thewall that this ain't working.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely something that I had
to learn too, for sure.
Trying to overly commit andbruh, the house is burning.
Yeah, yeah, it's like hey,we'll just stay right here.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, and then time will reveal itself and if that
person finds another, even ifyou don't't, you're like hey, I,
we did each other a favor.
You found somebody, now you canmove on, or y'all may come back
together again.
You're like you know what?
I needed time to grow, and Igot that time to myself, to what
(35:20):
I need, and it may, may comeback yeah, so I should just sign
up to Temptation Island.
Yeah, that would probably beterrible.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then be like you know what Threesome is my only
Exactly?
Yeah, I have no regrets.
Yeah, I have no regrets.
Yeah, yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
God, yeah, that's crazy, and sometimes that's what
you need too.
A threesome, no, no, that'shilarious no I think that it's a
level of uh, like everybody hastheir own, like some people
need that.
I don't think I necessarilyneed to break somebody's heart
(35:55):
to realize I'm, I'm the, theperson who's doing wrong, you
know.
But some people is like, hey,I'm actually a dirt bag and I
didn't know that until now andshe's the best woman for me and
hopefully I can save this thing.
Yeah, and some people need thatand it could work out best.
Because I hear it so many timesLike you know, I cheated, I
(36:18):
broke her heart.
I never want to do that again.
Yeah, yeah and that sometimesis necessary.
Yeah, yeah.
So it just just depends on theperson.
I don't think I need to see herface.
I have the idea of what willhappen if I do this action.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And so I, the long lack, the long lasting
heartbreak or the torment shewill feel, I can already feel it
.
Yeah, so why do the thing?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
just to get in that real quick feel I can already
feel it, yeah, so why do thething?
Just to get in that real quick?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
yeah, yeah, even though as a man, you were like
bro, yeah, I would definitely,but you would also know I, I
feel it.
It's like hey, there's aconsequence to my action and I
know me, I'm gonna feel, I'mlike, I feel guilty about little
things I do okay, let aloneactually cheating and lying.
I must, I gotta, I gotta feelclear in my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah yep, no, I'm definitely like, as you know,
like, yeah, I'm definitely, Ijust can't.
It's, it always comes back,right, like I, I would assume
it's just for the whatever,whoever I'm supposed to be like
in this life, like you know, um,but that right any, any time I
(37:25):
do something, it always comesback.
And whether it's actually on meto tell the truth, just because
mentally I cannot look at myperson and I'm doing them wrong,
I just I cannot do that Right?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think that I mean, and that's fair,
and do you think that you wouldhave?
Did you always know that fromthe beginning or did you see?
You saw it in real time andlike, yep, I needed to see that
and I can't do that anymoreGrowing up.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It started in high school.
It started in like ninth, yeah,somewhere between like right
after high school, yeah, rightafter high school.
Yeah, right after high school.
Uh, anytime I would like lie orsomething.
There was a this.
This is what I'm saying.
Like it's just, it doesn't evenmake sense.
(38:17):
Like there was a time, one timethere was this girl that, um, I
met at the club.
I used to go to the club, wowbut, um, I met.
I met her at the club.
This is like 20, I was like 20maybe, and I think I was trying
to dodge her to meet up withsomeone else and, um, and it was
(38:46):
, and I did not that I did stufflike this all the time.
I didn't do stuff like that allthe time at all, but this is
this one time I tried to dodgethis girl to meet up with uh,
with someone else.
And I swear to god, I went tothis apartment, this new
apartment, um, in uh, byuniversity, by the University of
Memphis, and on the floor ofwhere I was going to meet the
(39:09):
other girl.
Why is the girl allowed to?
On the floor, going to theelevator?
She's right there.
She hit me with one of those.
Yeah, she just saw me and shewas like, hmm, what are you
doing over here?
I?
um changed my mind like you knowit's just random situations
(39:35):
where I'm not even in control ofhow I'm getting caught in stuff
yeah it don't matter what I do.
So you know, after random stufflike that and growing up and
seeing stuff like that, I justrealized it's just not in my
cards to be like a liar and todo that.
It's always going to come backto me.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So, yeah it's just not in me to do that I'm with
you Because you know, trust tome is, of course, obviously a
big deal.
I just want to because, since Ifreely talk and I am somewhat
(40:16):
of an open book, I don't givemyself to everybody and just a
book for everybody to read.
There's some things I haveclosed off but a lot of things I
free, because I'd rather youget to know me very quickly.
But the things I get nervousabout and scared of when it
comes to love is being worriedabout psychopaths and sociopaths
(40:40):
, and I was just looking up thedefinitions between the two so I
could try to get them right,but they damn near seem like you
know what I mean like brotherand sisters of each other.
So psychopath lack guilt,remorse, empathy.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Pretending to feel emotions, oh, inability to form
true emotional attachments.
Yeah, okay, so this is a littlebit.
Yeah, tend to be, tend to besuccessful.
So, yeah, I can see it.
I mean he's a psychopath.
Dishonesty, manipulativebehavior, narcissism and
superficial charm Okay, andsociopath lack of remorse.
(41:22):
But guilt and empathy may bepresent in some cases.
So some emotions are felt,raised, but are shallow and
fleeting Okay.
May form close attachments toone or few individuals, so it's
like a softer form of psychopath.
And then consistentirresponsibility and repeated
(41:43):
violations of law, constantlying and deception, aggressive
and reckless behavior.
Uh-huh, yeah, so you know?
Um, I think it's.
It seems like, yes, sociopathsare just kind of like emotional
and they, they're morenarcissistic.
Well, I mean, psychopaths arejust, you know, clearly just
(42:03):
narcissistic in behavior becausethey're lying, they don't,
their inability to form trueemotional attachments, yeah,
yeah, so I know I'm not apsychopath.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, sociopath too is likerepeated violations of law,
constantly lying and deception.
So, yeah, like sociopath,psychopathic behavior is what I
(42:25):
kind of try to like, to like.
Hey, are you just saying thething?
because it sounds good yeah yeah, because what I have trouble um
me is I do trust um until it'sbroken, but also your actions
have to match.
Yeah, so like, if you'resending me love letters, which I
(42:46):
appreciate, your actions got amatch the love letter that you
sending me.
Otherwise it's useless for youto send me love letters so she
got to be smashing on you too.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
What do you mean?
No, no, like love love letters.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
It comes like what about 14?
No?
A love letter can come indifferent forms, like them
saying making, like how specialyou are to me.
You're my light, I glow and youput a smile on my face every
time.
Yada, yada, like a love lettercan come in many forms, and I
(43:21):
was just like I want it.
It ain't no like.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
No, no, no, I was saying you said that it has to
match up like what you're you'reyou're doing.
So I was like she can't besending you love letters and not
smashing.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
So I'm saying it was a jokeyeah yeah, but I got that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
It was a joke yeah, yeah, but what I was uh just
saying was you?
Essentially, what I was sayingis you can't.
You're telling me how much youmean to me, or I mean to you,
but I I can't feel that from you.
It's like I know that gucci bagmeans a lot to you, but how you
(44:02):
take care of it, you know whenyou're done using it.
You put it in a box, you put itin this wooden cage, you make
sure you dust it off and cleanit, then put it up in a high
form so nobody touches it.
You can tell me how much I meanto you, but you're, you're
yelling you're always upset.
There's no affection, but youwrite how I love you so much.
(44:25):
I'd be like, yeah, that loveletter sounds good when I read
it, but I, but when your actionsdon't align, they're literally
just what it is words on a paperyeah and yeah.
So and that's how I like.
Okay, that's great.
I I'm reading the words thatyou're saying, but in in a weird
(44:46):
way it sounds like a lie.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, how do you feel About that?
Yeah, I agree with it to anextent.
I feel like sometimes peopledon't even know what they're
doing or what they're not doing.
I've gotten letters before frompeople and I'll just like read
it and I'll, in front of them,I'll be like thank you.
(45:10):
But like in my head I'm like,like you know, this is, this is
not really up to par you knowright, yeah, this isn't really
um fully like real life.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's like you're a poet, it's like a halfway take.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, you're a poet, you know what I mean.
You like writing them Becauseyou want to make them feel good,
but that's not actually.
You don't move like this.
Right, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I got something else.
I got two of them.
Okay, here's one.
I like the second one better.
Do you believe humans arenaturally good and corrupted by
society, or naturally selfish,and like, civilized by society
(46:06):
or naturally selfish, and likecivilized by society.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think there's.
I think there's that's.
Both are true yes, like yeah,like I mean you could be uh
selfish.
I mean we have a selfpreservation about us, like is
there's a certain level ofselfish if a house is on fire
and you know that somebody's inthere, I have a possibility of
of selfish.
If a house is on fire and youknow that somebody's in there, I
have a possibility of dying.
(46:28):
I'm not about to go in and savethat person from that fire.
Yeah, I mean, that's indeedselfish, but that's
understandable.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah.
So I'm saying like do you thinklike was born evil or do you
think he his, his society?
You know, I said like peoplelike that, do you think like
they just came out the womb,like that, or society kind of
like that man that's, you knowthe.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
what is it?
Live long enough to become avillain?
Yeah right, I think that that'sum, because I hate that, the I
have things I can lean on to saythat like good is like maybe
subjective in a sense, but Iguess I got to pick on my sister
.
It is what it is.
(47:15):
Yeah, so she used to when shewas a baby we're a year and a
half or so, is that?
She used to bite my toes, andshe was a baby.
I was a baby.
She would bite my toes and shewas a baby.
I was a baby.
She would bite my toes and makeme cry and run back into her
cradle.
Where did this just?
go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,so yeah and so like as a baby.
(47:37):
She don't really.
You know what I mean.
I don't want to call her anevil person.
That's not what she is.
Yeah, but nonetheless there's alevel of like the origin story.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then I grew up hatingwomen.
No, no, I'm just saying likepersonality and built in us,
yeah, yeah.
And so when she did that as achild, you know there's some
(48:01):
behaviors that are long lasting.
Like it's like why would she dothat as a child?
Like ain't she supposed to begood and nice?
It's like nah, that'spersonalities are bit very
quickly and so I it's.
So I'm just using that as anexample, um, because it's like
(48:21):
why would a baby do anythingthat's mean?
So my answer is to be sometimes, yeah.
I think that sometimes webehave innately, more than what
society thinks we are Like.
Yes, does society corrupt us?
Most of the time, yes.
Is a baby innocent?
Yes, most of the time, yes, isa baby innocent?
(48:43):
Yes, but I think we, I thinkthat also there's.
There's also DNA that's passedon, that's built
personality-wise, like you're,just like your daddy.
So, sometimes you can't helpthe characteristics you bring to
(49:03):
the table, and they happen whenthey're young too.
So if that helps answer thequestion, I really don't want to
be like nah, they born evil.
Yeah, yeah, Because to thequestion I don't really know for
real, but I think that ourhabits are built very quickly
and it's not because they justsaw it.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with the half and half.
I don't know if I askedsomething like this before, but
what do you want your legacy tobe when people speak your name
100 years from now?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Somebody who loved his family and somebody who put
others before him.
And I was like hey, mygrandfather actually put us
first.
Hey, you know, my grandfatheractually put us first.
(50:03):
He knew that this was biggerthan himself yeah, yeah, and so
yeah, exactly.
But 100 years from now, do Ithink that people will scream my
name like that?
Probably not, but I do, truly,it's bigger than me.
So any foundation I can I canbuild and I can be maybe a step
(50:24):
in the whole ladder then okay,I'm all right that I don't have
to be elon musk to change theworld absolutely.
But yeah, I can maybe change myfamily lineage and at least put
that up to trajectory and giveit a little bit of boost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that I feel like, well, I
guess I said 100 years from now.
But I used to think about howyou know what I do now in this
lifetime, and you know, like Iwasn't thinking 100, but I was
thinking like hundreds of yearslater, like if you left a mark,
you know, like a hundred.
I wasn't thinking a hundred,but I was thinking like hundreds
(51:00):
of years later, like if youleft a mark.
You know how they talk aboutTesla, like Nikola.
Tesla or Einstein or all thesepeople and I don't know.
I just feel like it justmatters more while we're here,
(51:20):
everything.
I feel like everything mattersmore while we're here, because
all this shit is going to bewiped out and I'm not going to
remember.
We remember Martin Luther King,but like, after a certain
amount of years, like that shitis just going to be gone.
You know what I'm sayingWhatever the next, just gonna be
gone.
You know I'm saying thewhatever the next big thing is.
(51:42):
You know the ice age, the umthat wipes everybody out like
brother, the videos I'm doingain't gonna mean shit you know
I'm saying yeah, so I feel like,um, I feel like what you do
while you're here is, like themost important thing, not
necessarily like what you'retrying to leave.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
And people you know die young.
Yeah so you know we could behere today, gone tomorrow.
Facts.
Yeah, so it's like yeah, wouldI love to have a long strong,
lasting impact.
Yeah, that would be nice.
Yeah, that would be cool.
Yeah, yeah.
But do I fully expect that tohappen?
Probably not, but you know I dothe best that I can as I know
(52:27):
as my life, as it is right now.
Facts yeah, it's sort of thesame thing how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh, I feel good, okay .
We're going to keep going.
I think we can.
Let me see there okay keepgoing.
I think we can let me see,there's another one here yeah,
(53:00):
yeah, I think we did good.
I really enjoyed the episode.
It was.
It was fun, he was veryengaging and time goes by quick,
yeah, yeah.
So what do you think about umsociety and where it is today
and how easily it is forsomething that happened to uh,
what's the dude's name that?
Just, uh, charlie.
Yeah, how easily inaccessiblethat is to people, and do you?
Well, that's my first question.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
So say it one more time.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I forgot to be honest , yeah, do you think how
accessible that type ofinformation, that visual
information, is?
Do you think or do?
You think, or how do you thinkthat affects us as a society?
What the fact that you can openup your phone and you can see a
(53:46):
dude getting just shot in theneck and bleeding everywhere?
Like how do you think thataffects the society as a whole?
Because you know, like at firstit would just be you reading it
in the paper.
Yeah.
But now your son, daughter,whoever got an iphone, they open
up instagram tick tock,whatever the first day at least.
Yeah, that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I mean, um, yeah, do I, am I.
You know, I don't want to belike hey br.
You know, death is just anatural way of life and it's.
I mean, should we be able topick up a phone and see somebody
(54:28):
die?
No, but at the same time, we'vethere's you know, we come
across car accidents and thingslike that that are very gruesome
in just our own reality, andthen the war is real across car
accidents and things like thatthat are very gruesome and just
our own reality.
And then the war is real.
You know world war ii.
You know people invadingpeople's country, killing most.
You know rape, murder, yada,yada, all the things, above all
(54:51):
that thing, you know.
All that is reality, so it'sjust a part of being in reality.
And people in Gaza suffer waymore you know, so so they're
seeing that in real time.
So we see somebody getassassinated on TV or on our
phone.
Yeah, it's not great but, thereality is that is life too.
(55:12):
So you're seeing what all oflife and what it presents.
So I'm not there, like nobodyshould ever see that actually,
people, it happens all the time.
So to to I'm not gonna be theperson I'm not gonna be like.
Yeah, hey, three-year-old, seethis you know what I?
mean, but that's a conversationthat needs to be had at some
point, yeah, yeah, so I'm notgonna go my way to show nobody,
(55:35):
but if they see it, I was like,hey, this is, we need to talk
about this thing, this is a realthing and have a conversation
on it, because it's very real,you know, and I yeah, and it's.
It's tougher to deal with whenit's you know your, your actual
father, your husband.
Yeah, for that for them to seeit is extremely tragic.
(55:57):
I wouldn't wish that on nobodyas a family, but for somebody
who can remove themselves fromthe situation because they don't
have a relationship with thatperson's family, you can look at
it like, hey, we're having aconversation because this could
be anybody.
Anybody can die from a bulletto the head, so just think about
(56:17):
how fickle life is.
Make sure we prep uh, I thinkwe also have a degree to life
insurance, definitely as adults,adult men in general.
So I think that we shouldalways try to at least prep as
much as we can for that timeyeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, I feel like it's uh, that that is, that is
true, that it is a real thing.
I just feel like it's supertraumatic to see something like
that.
It's just like bad energy tosee that.
You're kind of like invitingthat in your home, but when you
(56:54):
make the point about Gaza, I'mlike damn.
There are so many other momentsin history where people will
come in and rape the wholevillage and wipe out a whole
civilization and, you know,kidnap people and all that and
they seeing not just one person.
Or just like you said with Gaza, they ain't seeing one.
(57:15):
They seeing that shit probablyain't nothing to them.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
No more to just wake up and see a dead body.
Yeah, I mean.
Picture you going outside andyou see a lynched black man from
the tree oh my god, yeah, youknow yeah yeah that's terrifying
to see, yeah, yeah, and thatyou know there's no consequences
for the action of killing thatman.
So there's a lot oftraumatizing things, to where
it's like, yeah, this istraumatic, but it could be much
(57:46):
worse.
There's more troubling timesthat have passed and maybe
there's troubling times in thefuture.
I'm sure that's going to be thecase for others ourselves
possibly.
I'm not going to say I'm sure,but that's a scenario that may
happen, it's humans, yeah,exactly.
Yeah exactly.
So I also live in that worldwhere it's like, yeah, it's
(58:11):
unfortunate that can be anybody,but there's been troubling
times that our ancestors haveseen Facts, facts, yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
I'm good too, all right.
Well, this is two.
For the culture, this isanother good one.
Hope you all enjoyed it.
We'll be back, we'll be, back.
Yes, sir.
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Stephen Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes, sir, and we are back.
I think we got a great showlined up for everyone here, so
I'm excited.
I'm excited too, man.
All right, all right, let's getit for sure.
How was your weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The weekend was good, man.
I've really just been superlocked in.
Yeah, you know um.
Yeah, you know um, I I don't Idon't even know what provoked it
, but just just really wanted toreach a new level with
everything.
So it's just another one ofthem spurts.
So I'm like man, fuckeverything, I gotta get it.
(00:37):
So, uh, yeah, what about you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
um, it was cool this weekend, just always just
working you know, the same old,same old.
It was a good weekend, you know.
Uh, yeah, it's always.
You know, I love to talk topeople about, like different
perspectives, what they gotgoing on in their lives.
You know interests and you knowit's it keeps it interesting
because, of course, it's a newindividual for the most part,
(01:00):
every single time.
Yeah, exactly so you get tohear about people's lives and
you know, of course, I'm sayingthe same old things that I've
said a million times over, likeare you from here?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
what do you do?
Can you sit in the back seat?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
yeah, yeah, yeah, so that you know it keeps it
interesting and lively and um,and it allows me to be educated
a little bit more like when youhear different perspectives.
So I mean I enjoy.
I enjoyed it, I had a goodweekend, it was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's funny, I think on the last episode we were
talking about spirituality andreligion, you were saying
something about the commandmentsand, randomly enough which is
why I read this shit For me it'ssupernatural it just lines up
Today.
Which is why I read this shit,cause it's like for me it's like
supernatural.
That shit just lines up todayLiterally, cause I'm an Exodus
right now.
So today, literally, it was onthe part of the 10 commandments.
(01:54):
That was like literally, the,the, the, the verse of the day.
Yeah, okay, that was crazy.
I was like dang, it's like damn,it would be the day of the
podcast that I would read this,because it was the last podcast
that you said something aboutlike the Ten Commandments and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what I said, but I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We got to review it, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, understood.
Hey, you want to just hop rightinto it?
Yeah.
Okay, you know I can go first.
You have some.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'll go first this time.
I'll go first this time, so allright.
So if tomorrow you woke up withno fear, what is the first
thing you'd do?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
If I woke up with no fear.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No fear about anything.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No fear about anything.
What would I do?
I would, but I still got mymind and my logic right.
Yeah, so I just didn't have anyfear.
I still got my mind and mylogic right, you know.
Yeah, so I just didn't have anyfear.
That's a very interestingquestion, because I'm waking up
as me, so I know I still haveobligations.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And that's very tough to also say.
Is that how much?
Because I do worry about others, like, what would that look
like if I?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
because I you just didn't give a fuck, you just
burned the house down and movedto paris.
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, I would never like intentionally hurt somebody
, but I still imagine I wouldstill have love yeah so I would
have love for a person to whereI still do my daily obligations
so I don't think much wouldreally change outside of like my
daily habits, but I would sayI'm sure I'll take stronger
risks oh, yeah, yeah exactly soI don't think my daily uh habits
(03:32):
would change too much yeah, umthat's a good one, yeah, yeah
but.
I know, I would take a biggerrisk in terms of like, put
myself out more.
Like you know, we always havethat fear of rejection, and so I
would want to make you know, Imean, so I would do that, like I
would probably be more of aperson who, uh, you know, sell
(03:57):
itself, brand itself.
I'm not, I'm not reallyphotogenic, so I'll probably,
you know, put more of my brandout there.
Yeah, and so I would probably,it would probably be more of
that line.
So I would probably see thedifference.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, yeah, that was a good one.
Yeah, yeah.
What about you?
If I, tomorrow, I woke up withno fear, the first thing I'd do,
you know?
I kind of say I believe I wouldsay the same.
I wish you didn't go first,because I wouldn't have heard
(04:32):
that.
Yeah, but like yeah, that makesa lot more sense, even for me.
You know, like shit, I couldjust walk into this building and
just shake, do what Kanye did,and just not give a fuck.
Just walk in here, go to thefloor when the boss at Poor
floor All right, and then justyou know that, moving with no
(04:54):
fear at all.
I think that that's somethingwe all should do a little bit
more of actually.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and I think to keep on further diving a little
bit deep into that it's like Ialso care about others than what
they think.
Yeah, and I wish I had less ofthat.
Yeah, yeah, I, I truly do,because I think about that a
little bit more than I feel likethe next person should yeah,
and that I hold on a little bitmore tighter to that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that that has, uh well, I wouldn't
say, slowed me down a little bit.
But um, you know, like with mycontent and stuff it's like out
there and like if I and I'mhopping in these scenes with the
actual person, so sometimeslike I could go a little further
, but I'm like if I meet them, Iwant them to kind of like me a
(05:41):
little bit.
So I might not say a certainthing, that might be hilarious,
but yeah, I can agree with that,for sure that was a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You got any others?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah.
So if you could know theabsolute truth to one question
in life, what would you ask?
I would ask, if I could, Iwould ask let's do this one
(06:13):
thing just for just for clips orwhatever, like when I, I mean,
they're watching this and seeingthis in real time it doesn't
matter.
But when we do this, like let'stry to say the question before
we say the answer, you know what?
I'm saying, for instance, I justasked uh, if you could know the
absolute truth to one questionlike what would you ask, like
(06:35):
you say, if I could know theabsolute truth?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
so just hold that shit clips and you know what I'm
saying I got you just just justsomething to throw out there.
I'm learning this too.
I appreciate that, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What was the question ?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
If I could know the absolute truth.
What was one question I wouldask?
I'm trying to find a way to askthe question.
I know around and I'll just saythe thing Um, I would ask God
to give me the answer to how Ishould give his believers or his
(07:16):
non believers you know what Imean.
Like I would try to like, likeyeah.
Like how should I give theanswer that you're real to
non-believers?
You know what I mean.
Like it would be like theabsolute truth, to where I could
give the thing that would makeit abundantly clear, if that
makes sense.
Because it's one question.
So I mean I have a million nothanks.
(07:38):
Yeah.
So if I had to kind of put it,because I was like, hey, did you
know John F kennedy?
Really, you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean, yeah, it's the moon landing reel exactly,
so I could.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm like dang, that would be a waste of a
question, because that's onlyone thing, damn who's gonna
believe this?
Yeah, exactly yeah.
So I would be like hey, how canI you ask, reveal yourselves in
that question.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I feel like that's not going to happen Again.
I'm in Exodus right now, right,bruh.
And then you know Moses ledeverybody out of Egypt, or
whatever.
And then you know that wholething and, for some reason, like
God kept showing over and over,like he's God, like the
different plagues and all thatstuff that he showed.
(08:27):
and then, once they got hungry,it was just like yo, like I
don't, is is they just neededmore confirmation, basically,
and moses like dog like y'alljust saw everything, yeah like
and the only thing that kind ofgot them to, because I just got
to the commandments right andthe only thing was like a whole
bunch of like lightning and fireand this and that and all that
(08:49):
you know.
So I feel like there has toconstantly be for now this is my
opinion, but I feel like therehas to constantly be huge visual
representation.
Yeah.
Of like this, this ain't magic.
Yeah, I see what you're saying,like it's constant affirmation,
not affirmation yeah, of likethis, this ain't magic.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I see what you're saying, like it's
constant affirmation notaffirmation, just like, like
they can see.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, this is this crazy.
We're in the middle of the seaand you know this shit split
like I think, I thinksomething's going on here.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't see no non-believer believing until
like some crazy, some crazy evenif they might be like well, you
know science yeah, yeah, yeah,I I just did, because otherwise
they'll be like all right,what's the next lotto number,
dollar number tickets.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So just oh facts.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , I was like okay, so, but I'm
asking him the absolute.
So he's all knowing, all youknow, all-powerful, so that's
one.
Otherwise I'd be like, allright, lotto question.
What's the lotto numbers?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
real quick.
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I can come up or run it up real quick, yeah, yeah.
So it would be something, but Ifeel like that would be a too
easy one.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Because mine's a little bit more deeper and
longer lasting, but I like theseshort fire ones.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think mine.
What was your question?
What was your answer?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
If I could know the absolute truth to one question
in life, it would be to ask Godwhy are we here?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I think that would.
That would say a lot.
Yeah, that would.
I've always wanted to know thatyeah like.
What is where we?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
what are we here for?
yeah, all right oh god, that's anice, that's a nice little
creation for being bored shitout here I mean, yeah, like
painters paint, you know yeah soit's like, yeah, why did you do
that thing?
I just like to do it you know,so it could always be just that
simple I mean, I guess, yeah,maybe I.
(10:57):
Okay, I like your line ofquestions.
Yeah, for sure, all right, yougot it.
Oh, I got it okay all right, soI think we've answered this
question before, but this I liketo do leading questions it's a
leading it's a real question.
I want to ask um, but do youbelieve in soulmates?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
um yes I knew that was going to be your answer yeah
, the only reason that I, I, I,um, stumbled with that was just
because it's a different waythat I take it nowadays.
At first I was like, oh,there's only one soulmate period
(11:40):
.
But I don't, I don't think soanymore.
I think it may be multiple,multiple, different types, even
like just me and you beingfriends.
It's not like a, a romanticthing, but like a certain type
of connection that's uh, so thatthey have like different
versions of, of, of the words,for it is something make some, I
(12:02):
don't know I I didn't get thatdeep into it, but I play.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There are different versions and different types and
I feel like you was going leanturds, soulmates and I?
I feel like there's, so myanswer is more so no, because
there's so many people out herein this world and there's so
many people that can fit the boxthat you want that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That's why I literally said, or expanded on
it yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So that's why I'll be like, nah, I don't.
But because sometimes you cantell like, hey, this person
actually may be right for me andyou can kind of tell when
they're not, and um, and someare easier than others.
You People don't truly revealthemselves and it's not unlike
some men.
Let's just intent that theydon't reveal themselves.
(12:49):
It's just the ease of it.
And then so comfortability, andthen you try to trust that
person a little bit more and bea little bit more vulnerable and
you're like, okay, I'm glad yougave me that part of you, but
that part of you is actually notfor me.
Yeah, and so that may take alittle bit longer to understand
(13:11):
and grasp and some people maynot get it, but that was, I
didn't think I was going to gothere.
If a girl leaves her man foryou, um, would you, um, feel a
part of you, feel like she woulddo the same to you?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't think I would.
Uh, I know for a fact that Iwouldn't trust that situation.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But what if she's your soulmate and she recognized
you as her soulmate and notnecessarily him and uh-huh?
So would would that, I guess,now bringing that to you?
How would you feel?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
um like she comes, and I would just I mean
hypothetically, just to, to, to,to piggyback off you.
I would assume I would feel thesame.
Like damn, like this girl is.
Leave your man for me.
Maybe it depends on how shedoes it.
(14:16):
Maybe it depends on how shedoes it.
Maybe, like Because in my head,when you said leave your man
for me, I'm thinking, like shemeets me, boom, oh, she likes me
.
I'm the shiny new toy and fuckthis relationship, I'm gonna go
to him.
I'm not gonna feel secure inthat and I don't.
(14:36):
Yeah, I wouldn't feel secure inthat, so I wouldn't even see
myself, first of all, like Iwould be in the middle of them
being together, and then I woulddamn her be obligated to get
with her in a way yeah, I meanif she's not obligated but
that's the feeling that I wouldbe giving off.
It's like you know you leaveyour man, you gonna get with me.
(14:57):
Yeah, I don't see me sayingthat, you know okay, okay, so so
there's no.
So if she has a boyfriend,you're not giving her any energy
I mean, if she gives me energy,you know I I wouldn't go too
far with that you know like if,if, if.
(15:18):
I'm assuming we have some typeof connection and we kind of
realized this can go further.
But the whole leaving your manfor another to me like it's so
many work husbands out there-yeah, that do that you know I'm
saying I you can kind of.
You've worked many places youknow, have you seen that a lot
(15:39):
exactly it's like I kind ofside-eye that whole thing in
general.
I've seen it many times Girlgoes to work, the work husband
treating her like you know she'ssecond-guessing her
relationship.
That shit happened to me, youknow.
It's like I just don't reallylike that you know, so it
(16:02):
wouldn't make me feel amazing.
I told you like I'm, so itwouldn't make me feel amazing.
I told you like I'm super bigon karma for me and you know
that's one of them things whereI feel like that's gonna come
back on me yeah, um, I, Itotally understand exactly where
you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's make that clear .
And I, in most cases, I lean onthat side.
Yeah, um, I don't take thatstance, um, because if it feels
right and if it feels right, itfeels right.
And um work husbands yeah,there are real things.
But also, in a lot of cases, Ican see where that man at home
(16:42):
is not doing his job.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We all can.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Right and I feel like , hey, that person may not be
right for that woman, or viceversa.
There's truth to that.
Yeah.
So it's not like hey, he's anasty guy for doing this thing.
It's like hey, we also share aconnection and.
(17:06):
I enjoy my time with you.
So, like I said, it's not likehey, there is a point to where
it's like Brad, you like, youkind of foul a little bit that
there's that world.
But also, if you really likethat person then and you
naturally gravitate to thatperson, it's hard to to just shy
(17:27):
away from that too I canunderstand that too I can't
understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Um, I can understand it more if it's like, clearly,
y'all not supposed to betogether like he.
He's a domestic abuser, that'syou know, just something.
That's insane.
It's like bray, y'all shouldn'tbe together.
I could, I could understand itmore if it's like that.
But if it's like a okay, dudeand y'all just don't, you know,
(17:53):
y'all don't, don't, don't meshas much as we do, then you know
you got a decision to make onyourself.
Like I don't want, I don't wantto be a part of the decision
making process of you breakingup with your guy.
I should be outside of that.
You should do that yourself Tome.
You should do that yourself.
And then you know, if thatopens up, then I'll try harder.
(18:17):
But yeah, I see more of thefoul side to that situation.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because it is out of bounds.
Yeah, yeah, I mean because itis out of bounds.
So, yeah, I don't want to.
I feel like there can be.
There's always a layer of blackand white, but there's also
living in the gray and, yes,that is a foul person for
stepping out of bounds knowingthey're in a relationship.
But we all have relationship,we all have energy, we all have
(18:47):
connections.
Some people are meant to be forothers.
That's why I talk aboutsoulmates, the fact that is it
less foul if they wind upbreaking up and those two people
got together and they had along-lasting relationship where
the other relationship was onthe brink of disaster.
Yeah, so how foul really was it?
(19:09):
They was actually meant to betogether.
That person just was kind of inthe way of that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But it's different if you're married because y'all
made an oath to God and that's alifetime commitment.
That's super.
Yeah, that's a level.
But when y'all both technicallysingle, you're just in a
relationship like not even anoath commitment.
Y'all just have a boundary thatsay, hey, we're together, we're
going to be exclusive.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But you know how would you feel if you were
dating this girl and you thoughtshe was your soulmate that's
sort of the same thing thatyou're saying and then thought
she was so make that a.
That's sort of the same thingthat you're saying.
And then it comes out laterthat um, uh, uh, well, you are.
You already gave your yourspill on that, so let's say the
same exact thing, but she didn'ttell you that she was actually
married to the man.
How would you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
then she was married to him.
Yeah, as in like you said.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know we might be have a connection that might be
better than your person and dada, da butda.
But you didn't know this atfirst.
But when it came down almost tothat time frame of like her
breaking up, moving on, da-da-da, she actually was married.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I would say I thought it was her boyfriend,
but she actually married.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, but she's like I'm signing the divorce papers
today.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And, first of all, you're not my soulmate if you're
going to completely lie to me.
Yeah, you're lying to meactively.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
She lying to him.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
She was lying to him talking to you anyway, so I
don't know what she's lying tohim about.
You, nigga, like I mean.
So Work was great, that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Work was great's it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Work was great, that's the truth she's talking
to you the whole time.
She's the reason, you're thereason she didn't quit.
Yeah, like You're giving avague Like scenario.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
She's giving a vague scenario To her man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
So yeah, so I, I gotta know what in the In the
realm of what's happening Intheir own situation.
She is, I gotta know what inthe realm of what's happening in
their own situation, Like, ifI'm enjoying my time, I'm not
gonna be.
I ain't the guy that's gonna belike we need to run off
together.
I just don't see me ever doingthat Just pack your bags.
Yeah, exactly Like we actuallymeant for each other.
I'm not that type of Likethat's a cut blocker world.
(21:19):
You're the soulmate guy, youknow what I mean.
I'm, I'm, you're the soulmateguy, you know.
So I'm not going to do that, soso, but I'll play the game that
you're giving me.
Yeah, in that saying, if you'reactually saying, hey, this is,
this is actually my husband, I'dlike, when you've been spending
me this whole time, you're aliar, that's a huge character
(21:42):
issue, like yeah, and that's,that's the outcome and I don't
play about the oath commitmentto God and now you're breaking
that up for it.
Nah, we're not doing that yeah,yeah so cause now you gotta
bring that back home into ourrelationship?
No, I'm not so that one.
That's not.
I'm not going for that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't fuck with that shit either.
Okay, I'll be too.
I'll be too bad if somebodylied to me and they were married
.
Yeah, oh my god, that's likethat's.
You're not supposed to do that,bro, at all absolutely not get
killed off of that absolutely,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So I and when I'm asking this question, what my
vision?
I'm picturing two peopleoutside of necessarily us Like,
like if I see somebody at workwho's in a relationship and
they're talking to somebodywho's single and they're having
a, they're getting close witheach other and sometimes you can
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see it and be like'all are, youknow, completing each other's
sentences.
Y'all have a high electricenergy with each other.
Y'all get to know each.
Y'all know each other.
Well, she's talking, eventhough it's pillow talking, and
that's a line of she's talkingabout the relationship y'all
actually deserve each other.
Yeah, so I can see that and youknow, I understand you don't
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want to break your man's heart,but you're not feeling him the
way you're feeling him.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I may say it and just being real, the guy in me
doesn't want to be that.
You know what I mean like.
I still want to keep it P andbe like you know, but I think
and that's why I try to be whereI was leaning to before about
like I'll respect it if you tellme you want to talk to other
people Is because that line Ijust want to keep honesty in
(23:34):
where we're at Like I'll respectit more if you're just like hey
, you know what the spice levelain't there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and you knowI'm starting to look elsewhere.
Give me the opportunity to stepup a little bit more, like, hey
, you know what, let me do more,you know.
Or I can be like you know, what.
That's way more than what I cando, hey, he.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't want With the wind girl.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Hey, I don't want to step on nothing y'all got going,
because also that spares me,because I can maybe that energy.
I'm not willing to step up foryou, but I may be able to step
up for somebody else because Ilike them more.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know what I mean.
That is a thing.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So it's fair.
It's like, hey, I just want anopportunity to get the chance.
I don't like to being, you know, somebody doing things behind
my back and I'm keeping a p andyou actually.
No, I didn't really care to bein this relationship, it was
just I couldn't find a way to,you know, break it to you like
you could have always did that.
I've gave you every opportunity.
I made that abundantly clear.
(24:40):
I've I've talked about like I'mlooking you know how do you
want to play this Relationship,are you?
Do you want to Talk to others?
Do you Want to just talk?
Do you want to Break up andjust talk?
You know, I mean and keep Anopen mind.
I'm always.
I'd rather you bring it to meand instead Of keeping it and
just doing the side thing.
Yeah yeah, because that's likeit's hard to come back from that
(25:03):
once I find out that that's thecase.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, but just give me an opportunity to take a
chance.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Because I'm human, I understand One.
I see it in other people.
And then what do you think?
I don't see a pretty girl whenhe walks in the room, Like I
don't see anybody who has goodenergy.
Yeah like I'm completely blindto it.
No, I get it, so can see if, ifit can happen to me, it can
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damn sure happen to you yeahyeah, I'm fair in that way.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I think the main reason of why, um, the main
reason of, you know, even if Idid so quote have this amazing
connection with this girl whohas a man, excuse me, I just
always think about, there'salways somebody like prettier,
has more money, taller, bettercertain things than, um, someone
(25:59):
else.
So just because I'm coming inyour life, right, right, like
this, I feel like all right ifwe having something, and then
there's another guy that canpossibly come in and he's
hitting marks that I'm nothitting, it's just like I'm
going to look at what you didwith your guy and that would
(26:20):
make me feel like insecure aboutyou, so I wouldn't even mess
with that yeah, everybody'stheir own individual.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
If you're, if you're, if that's what you're looking
for, then she, I think she, intime she can, she's going to
truly reveal herself to you.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
If she's like hey, I'm looking for a guy with a
check, she's going no no, I'mjust saying like for me to to in
that pocket of time, I would befulfilling something that I
will be filling a void.
So to me, I'm looking at whatyou're doing with me as a red
flag.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I mean, I think that's fair to analyze it that
way, but a connection is aconnection yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I still feel like it could happen.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Still could happen, still after yeah, I mean, yes,
they can get bored, for sure,and they can get tired of you
and you vice versa, yeah, yeah,I mean, and all all those things
are possibility, but that'swhat taking risk is about, like
that, and I and I'm saying thatbecause that's in any
(27:27):
relationship you're doing thatAny, regardless if they have a
boyfriend or not.
You're taking a risk with thatsingle person too.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
OK, yeah, they can be .
I thought you were saying yeah,yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, so.
So even if this if you're bothcoming together single, she can
be tired of you later on, justlike if she was in a
relationship.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, so that's Might as well.
She got a nigga yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
If you want to break it down like that, fine, yeah,
but I'm I, like I said, I standon my mind, is going to go there
too.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But also I am going to feel like, hey, we're all
individual and we all offersomething different because we
have our own unique experience,experiences, personalities,
perspectives, and we can.
We can maybe clash togetherbecause and and it's not you're
taking a risk, she's taking arisk on you, yada, yada, yeah,
(28:26):
yeah.
So, but that's always aconversation you can have with
her and say, hey, I do love you,but this thing it's, you know,
I just want some validation yeahlike you're breaking up with
the man for me, and how?
how do I know you won't do thisto me?
So there's a question you canand just leave it there.
What's she going?
To say I would never, who knows, but if you don't ask the
(28:50):
question, so like Well, lies gotto come out after that.
Maybe, but you're looking ather, you're analyzing, like
that's a damn lie, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Or she'd be like you know what I would leave your ass
.
I knew it.
You want Chick-fil-A.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't know what the answer is, but she's going to
be like sometimes it's not aboutthe answer itself, it's about
how you answer it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
How you react.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
How the answer is.
You know answer it.
How you react like, how, howthe answer is you're like you
know, there's just somethingabout you, you know like, and
however it's like, I don't evenget it.
And then you're like okay, I,it's the feeling that you get
you know what I mean.
So it's not really just like,hey, I don't know, you know what
I mean, and just keep itpushing like no, that don't
really make me feel good yeah,yeah or like I love you, or you
(29:46):
can see something generic, likeyou're just saying that yeah,
yeah, but if there's like Idon't know what it is with you,
it's just a connection that wegot together, I've never felt
anything like this, and shecould maybe say that simply or
plain.
But it's really how should theysay it?
And now you, how the connection.
You feel she could beabsolutely lying, but you don't.
I mean, you can never.
(30:06):
True.
If somebody's lying, it's hardto really, you know, to there's
a level of trust that you got tobe invulnerable because anybody
or anybody can lie to you atany moment and you, there's a
level of trust to thatregardless.
And you, vice versa, I'm notsure.
I'm sure you there's.
You haven't said the truth 100%of the time ever.
Yeah of course so yeah, yeah,I'm sure you lied to your
(30:29):
girlfriend about somethingwhether it's small or not.
Yeah, yeah, so absolutely yeahyeah, okay, so I like the
discussion of where we're at um.
Would you leave a girl foranother if you feel like she's
the?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
one no no, I wouldn't break up with somebody to get
with somebody else I don't seeme doing that because you know I
was in a relationship along-term relationship and then
you know there's ups and downswith that.
There are times where you justdon't really like your person.
(31:06):
And then you might see somebodyelse pretty, or y'all might
have a conversation or likethey're, you know, super cool.
You're like, damn, I wonderwhat that would be like if I
would have met them at anothertime.
But that shit eats me.
I'm just like not a F boy atheart.
Like I can't, I can't do it.
(31:27):
It's just something about goingback to your person and seeing
them like messed up oversomething that you've done.
I'd rather stick it out withthat person, or or not stick it
out, but like completely inthings, and then you know, if
(31:50):
know, if that happens later,sure, but I'm not breaking up
with somebody to get withsomebody.
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Would you do that?
I'm with you.
Um, I think that, uh, this timeis like you.
What you mentioned is like dang.
You know, if I would had hadbeen with Yadda Yadda, then
maybe there could be a future.
And you know, my rule is like,I don't do numbers or Instagram
(32:16):
or anything like that.
We're exchanging, because it'sjust not.
You'll get caught.
Get caught, no, no, no.
I don't want to put myself in atemptation.
Error, so it's like hey, I'llleave it where it's at right at
this moment.
Yeah, yeah, uh, so I'm, I'll,I'll lean toward that and I'll
take the l's, like you know what, but, like I said, I'm not a
(32:38):
soulmate guy.
Yeah, so I think there's forevery one of those that I like
dang that was.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
She seemed like a great person there's another
person who's going to come along.
Yeah, yeah, I do agree withthat.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There are a lot of a lot of people out there.
So whatever is meant to ha,like, I don't always like what.
What is meant to be is meant tobe is like that's the like,
that's like the most obviousthing.
I don't want to justgenerically say that, but there
is truth into like, hey, I'mwhat.
If I'm supposed to be here,then I am, and if that person
(33:15):
comes along again magically,then it may be meant to be yeah
yeah, exactly, yeah.
So, uh, I think we both kind ofland there and I think we both
would have said yeah, because Ijust feel like and you said
(33:36):
F-boy, like living in that F-boyworld.
I think that's very black andwhite too because, I wouldn't
consider that necessarily anF-boy move.
If you're breaking up withsomebody to be with somebody
else, I think the F-boy comes inis when you're hiding.
(33:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeahexactly.
And hiding the information.
That's where the F-boy comesalong.
But I think that yes, it's meanto a, but I think that yes,
it's it's mean to assert it's.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I don't even think it's mean I think it's just
being real we're not meant to be.
Yeah, exactly, it's not meantto be.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's a hard truth yeah yeah, and and that's where
I think us men get caught up inis that we don't want to break
the other person's heart mm-hmmbut deep down they know it too,
and in the the longer that y'alltogether you're not doing her a
favor as well.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Facts she could be with yeah, it's like you could
find somebody who's really meantfor you, and I understand.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I want to make this thing work too, but, honestly,
we can see the writing on thewall that this ain't working.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely something that I had
to learn too, for sure.
Trying to overly commit andbruh, the house is burning.
Yeah, yeah, it's like hey,we'll just stay right here.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, and then time will reveal itself and if that
person finds another, even ifyou don't't, you're like hey, I,
we did each other a favor.
You found somebody, now you canmove on, or y'all may come back
together again.
You're like you know what?
I needed time to grow, and Igot that time to myself, to what
(35:20):
I need, and it may, may comeback yeah, so I should just sign
up to Temptation Island.
Yeah, that would probably beterrible.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then be like you know what Threesome is my only
Exactly?
Yeah, I have no regrets.
Yeah, I have no regrets.
Yeah, yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
God, yeah, that's crazy, and sometimes that's what
you need too.
A threesome, no, no, that'shilarious no I think that it's a
level of uh, like everybody hastheir own, like some people
need that.
I don't think I necessarilyneed to break somebody's heart
(35:55):
to realize I'm, I'm the, theperson who's doing wrong, you
know.
But some people is like, hey,I'm actually a dirt bag and I
didn't know that until now andshe's the best woman for me and
hopefully I can save this thing.
Yeah, and some people need thatand it could work out best.
Because I hear it so many timesLike you know, I cheated, I
(36:18):
broke her heart.
I never want to do that again.
Yeah, yeah and that sometimesis necessary.
Yeah, yeah.
So it just just depends on theperson.
I don't think I need to see herface.
I have the idea of what willhappen if I do this action.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And so I, the long lack, the long lasting
heartbreak or the torment shewill feel, I can already feel it
.
Yeah, so why do the thing?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
just to get in that real quick feel I can already
feel it, yeah, so why do thething?
Just to get in that real quick?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
yeah, yeah, even though as a man, you were like
bro, yeah, I would definitely,but you would also know I, I
feel it.
It's like hey, there's aconsequence to my action and I
know me, I'm gonna feel, I'mlike, I feel guilty about little
things I do okay, let aloneactually cheating and lying.
I must, I gotta, I gotta feelclear in my mind.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah yep, no, I'm definitely like, as you know,
like, yeah, I'm definitely, Ijust can't.
It's, it always comes back,right, like I, I would assume
it's just for the whatever,whoever I'm supposed to be like
in this life, like you know, um,but that right any, any time I
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do something, it always comesback.
And whether it's actually on meto tell the truth, just because
mentally I cannot look at myperson and I'm doing them wrong,
I just I cannot do that Right?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think that I mean, and that's fair,
and do you think that you wouldhave?
Did you always know that fromthe beginning or did you see?
You saw it in real time andlike, yep, I needed to see that
and I can't do that anymoreGrowing up.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It started in high school.
It started in like ninth, yeah,somewhere between like right
after high school, yeah, rightafter high school.
Yeah, right after high school.
Uh, anytime I would like lie orsomething.
There was a this.
This is what I'm saying.
Like it's just, it doesn't evenmake sense.
(38:17):
Like there was a time, one timethere was this girl that, um, I
met at the club.
I used to go to the club, wowbut, um, I met.
I met her at the club.
This is like 20, I was like 20maybe, and I think I was trying
to dodge her to meet up withsomeone else and, um, and it was
(38:46):
, and I did not that I did stufflike this all the time.
I didn't do stuff like that allthe time at all, but this is
this one time I tried to dodgethis girl to meet up with uh,
with someone else.
And I swear to god, I went tothis apartment, this new
apartment, um, in uh, byuniversity, by the University of
Memphis, and on the floor ofwhere I was going to meet the
(39:09):
other girl.
Why is the girl allowed to?
On the floor, going to theelevator?
She's right there.
She hit me with one of those.
Yeah, she just saw me and shewas like, hmm, what are you
doing over here?
I?
um changed my mind like you knowit's just random situations
(39:35):
where I'm not even in control ofhow I'm getting caught in stuff
yeah it don't matter what I do.
So you know, after random stufflike that and growing up and
seeing stuff like that, I justrealized it's just not in my
cards to be like a liar and todo that.
It's always going to come backto me.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So, yeah it's just not in me to do that I'm with
you Because you know, trust tome is, of course, obviously a
big deal.
I just want to because, since Ifreely talk and I am somewhat
(40:16):
of an open book, I don't givemyself to everybody and just a
book for everybody to read.
There's some things I haveclosed off but a lot of things I
free, because I'd rather youget to know me very quickly.
But the things I get nervousabout and scared of when it
comes to love is being worriedabout psychopaths and sociopaths
(40:40):
, and I was just looking up thedefinitions between the two so I
could try to get them right,but they damn near seem like you
know what I mean like brotherand sisters of each other.
So psychopath lack guilt,remorse, empathy.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Pretending to feel emotions, oh, inability to form
true emotional attachments.
Yeah, okay, so this is a littlebit.
Yeah, tend to be, tend to besuccessful.
So, yeah, I can see it.
I mean he's a psychopath.
Dishonesty, manipulativebehavior, narcissism and
superficial charm Okay, andsociopath lack of remorse.
(41:22):
But guilt and empathy may bepresent in some cases.
So some emotions are felt,raised, but are shallow and
fleeting Okay.
May form close attachments toone or few individuals, so it's
like a softer form of psychopath.
And then consistentirresponsibility and repeated
(41:43):
violations of law, constantlying and deception, aggressive
and reckless behavior.
Uh-huh, yeah, so you know?
Um, I think it's.
It seems like, yes, sociopathsare just kind of like emotional
and they, they're morenarcissistic.
Well, I mean, psychopaths arejust, you know, clearly just
(42:03):
narcissistic in behavior becausethey're lying, they don't,
their inability to form trueemotional attachments, yeah,
yeah, so I know I'm not apsychopath.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, sociopath too is likerepeated violations of law,
constantly lying and deception.
So, yeah, like sociopath,psychopathic behavior is what I
(42:25):
kind of try to like, to like.
Hey, are you just saying thething?
because it sounds good yeah yeah, because what I have trouble um
me is I do trust um until it'sbroken, but also your actions
have to match.
Yeah, so like, if you'resending me love letters, which I
(42:46):
appreciate, your actions got amatch the love letter that you
sending me.
Otherwise it's useless for youto send me love letters so she
got to be smashing on you too.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
What do you mean?
No, no, like love love letters.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
It comes like what about 14?
No?
A love letter can come indifferent forms, like them
saying making, like how specialyou are to me.
You're my light, I glow and youput a smile on my face every
time.
Yada, yada, like a love lettercan come in many forms, and I
(43:21):
was just like I want it.
It ain't no like.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
No, no, no, I was saying you said that it has to
match up like what you're you'reyou're doing.
So I was like she can't besending you love letters and not
smashing.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
So I'm saying it was a jokeyeah yeah, but I got that.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
It was a joke yeah, yeah, but what I was uh just
saying was you?
Essentially, what I was sayingis you can't.
You're telling me how much youmean to me, or I mean to you,
but I I can't feel that from you.
It's like I know that gucci bagmeans a lot to you, but how you
(44:02):
take care of it, you know whenyou're done using it.
You put it in a box, you put itin this wooden cage, you make
sure you dust it off and cleanit, then put it up in a high
form so nobody touches it.
You can tell me how much I meanto you, but you're, you're
yelling you're always upset.
There's no affection, but youwrite how I love you so much.
(44:25):
I'd be like, yeah, that loveletter sounds good when I read
it, but I, but when your actionsdon't align, they're literally
just what it is words on a paperyeah and yeah.
So and that's how I like.
Okay, that's great.
I I'm reading the words thatyou're saying, but in in a weird
(44:46):
way it sounds like a lie.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, how do you feel About that?
Yeah, I agree with it to anextent.
I feel like sometimes peopledon't even know what they're
doing or what they're not doing.
I've gotten letters before frompeople and I'll just like read
it and I'll, in front of them,I'll be like thank you.
(45:10):
But like in my head I'm like,like you know, this is, this is
not really up to par you knowright, yeah, this isn't really
um fully like real life.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's like you're a poet, it's like a halfway take.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, you're a poet, you know what I mean.
You like writing them Becauseyou want to make them feel good,
but that's not actually.
You don't move like this.
Right, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I got something else.
I got two of them.
Okay, here's one.
I like the second one better.
Do you believe humans arenaturally good and corrupted by
society, or naturally selfish,and like, civilized by society
(46:06):
or naturally selfish, and likecivilized by society.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think there's.
I think there's that's.
Both are true yes, like yeah,like I mean you could be uh
selfish.
I mean we have a selfpreservation about us, like is
there's a certain level ofselfish if a house is on fire
and you know that somebody's inthere, I have a possibility of
of selfish.
If a house is on fire and youknow that somebody's in there, I
have a possibility of dying.
(46:28):
I'm not about to go in and savethat person from that fire.
Yeah, I mean, that's indeedselfish, but that's
understandable.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah.
So I'm saying like do you thinklike was born evil or do you
think he his, his society?
You know, I said like peoplelike that, do you think like
they just came out the womb,like that, or society kind of
like that man that's, you knowthe.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
what is it?
Live long enough to become avillain?
Yeah right, I think that that'sum, because I hate that, the I
have things I can lean on to saythat like good is like maybe
subjective in a sense, but Iguess I got to pick on my sister
.
It is what it is.
(47:15):
Yeah, so she used to when shewas a baby we're a year and a
half or so, is that?
She used to bite my toes, andshe was a baby.
I was a baby.
She would bite my toes and shewas a baby.
I was a baby.
She would bite my toes and makeme cry and run back into her
cradle.
Where did this just?
go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,so yeah and so like as a baby.
(47:37):
She don't really.
You know what I mean.
I don't want to call her anevil person.
That's not what she is.
Yeah, but nonetheless there's alevel of like the origin story.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then I grew up hatingwomen.
No, no, I'm just saying likepersonality and built in us,
yeah, yeah.
And so when she did that as achild, you know there's some
(48:01):
behaviors that are long lasting.
Like it's like why would she dothat as a child?
Like ain't she supposed to begood and nice?
It's like nah, that'spersonalities are bit very
quickly and so I it's.
So I'm just using that as anexample, um, because it's like
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why would a baby do anythingthat's mean?
So my answer is to be sometimes, yeah.
I think that sometimes webehave innately, more than what
society thinks we are Like.
Yes, does society corrupt us?
Most of the time, yes.
Is a baby innocent?
Yes, most of the time, yes, isa baby innocent?
(48:43):
Yes, but I think we, I thinkthat also there's.
There's also DNA that's passedon, that's built
personality-wise, like you're,just like your daddy.
So, sometimes you can't helpthe characteristics you bring to
(49:03):
the table, and they happen whenthey're young too.
So if that helps answer thequestion, I really don't want to
be like nah, they born evil.
Yeah, yeah, Because to thequestion I don't really know for
real, but I think that ourhabits are built very quickly
and it's not because they justsaw it.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with the half and half.
I don't know if I askedsomething like this before, but
what do you want your legacy tobe when people speak your name
100 years from now?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Somebody who loved his family and somebody who put
others before him.
And I was like hey, mygrandfather actually put us
first.
Hey, you know, my grandfatheractually put us first.
(50:03):
He knew that this was biggerthan himself yeah, yeah, and so
yeah, exactly.
But 100 years from now, do Ithink that people will scream my
name like that?
Probably not, but I do, truly,it's bigger than me.
So any foundation I can I canbuild and I can be maybe a step
(50:24):
in the whole ladder then okay,I'm all right that I don't have
to be elon musk to change theworld absolutely.
But yeah, I can maybe change myfamily lineage and at least put
that up to trajectory and giveit a little bit of boost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that I feel like, well, I
guess I said 100 years from now.
But I used to think about howyou know what I do now in this
lifetime, and you know, like Iwasn't thinking 100, but I was
thinking like hundreds of yearslater, like if you left a mark,
you know, like a hundred.
I wasn't thinking a hundred,but I was thinking like hundreds
(51:00):
of years later, like if youleft a mark.
You know how they talk aboutTesla, like Nikola.
Tesla or Einstein or all thesepeople and I don't know.
I just feel like it justmatters more while we're here,
(51:20):
everything.
I feel like everything mattersmore while we're here, because
all this shit is going to bewiped out and I'm not going to
remember.
We remember Martin Luther King,but like, after a certain
amount of years, like that shitis just going to be gone.
You know what I'm sayingWhatever the next, just gonna be
gone.
You know I'm saying thewhatever the next big thing is.
(51:42):
You know the ice age, the umthat wipes everybody out like
brother, the videos I'm doingain't gonna mean shit you know
I'm saying yeah, so I feel like,um, I feel like what you do
while you're here is, like themost important thing, not
necessarily like what you'retrying to leave.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
And people you know die young.
Yeah so you know we could behere today, gone tomorrow.
Facts.
Yeah, so it's like yeah, wouldI love to have a long strong,
lasting impact.
Yeah, that would be nice.
Yeah, that would be cool.
Yeah, yeah.
But do I fully expect that tohappen?
Probably not, but you know I dothe best that I can as I know
(52:27):
as my life, as it is right now.
Facts yeah, it's sort of thesame thing how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh, I feel good, okay .
We're going to keep going.
I think we can.
Let me see there okay keepgoing.
I think we can let me see,there's another one here yeah,
(53:00):
yeah, I think we did good.
I really enjoyed the episode.
It was.
It was fun, he was veryengaging and time goes by quick,
yeah, yeah.
So what do you think about umsociety and where it is today
and how easily it is forsomething that happened to uh,
what's the dude's name that?
Just, uh, charlie.
Yeah, how easily inaccessiblethat is to people, and do you?
Well, that's my first question.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
So say it one more time.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I forgot to be honest , yeah, do you think how
accessible that type ofinformation, that visual
information, is?
Do you think or do?
You think, or how do you thinkthat affects us as a society?
What the fact that you can openup your phone and you can see a
(53:46):
dude getting just shot in theneck and bleeding everywhere?
Like how do you think thataffects the society as a whole?
Because you know, like at firstit would just be you reading it
in the paper.
Yeah.
But now your son, daughter,whoever got an iphone, they open
up instagram tick tock,whatever the first day at least.
Yeah, that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I mean, um, yeah, do I, am I.
You know, I don't want to belike hey br.
You know, death is just anatural way of life and it's.
I mean, should we be able topick up a phone and see somebody
(54:28):
die?
No, but at the same time, we'vethere's you know, we come
across car accidents and thingslike that that are very gruesome
in just our own reality, andthen the war is real across car
accidents and things like thatthat are very gruesome and just
our own reality.
And then the war is real.
You know world war ii.
You know people invadingpeople's country, killing most.
You know rape, murder, yada,yada, all the things, above all
(54:51):
that thing, you know.
All that is reality, so it'sjust a part of being in reality.
And people in Gaza suffer waymore you know, so so they're
seeing that in real time.
So we see somebody getassassinated on TV or on our
phone.
Yeah, it's not great but, thereality is that is life too.
(55:12):
So you're seeing what all oflife and what it presents.
So I'm not there, like nobodyshould ever see that actually,
people, it happens all the time.
So to to I'm not gonna be theperson I'm not gonna be like.
Yeah, hey, three-year-old, seethis you know what I?
mean, but that's a conversationthat needs to be had at some
point, yeah, yeah, so I'm notgonna go my way to show nobody,
(55:35):
but if they see it, I was like,hey, this is, we need to talk
about this thing, this is a realthing and have a conversation
on it, because it's very real,you know, and I yeah, and it's.
It's tougher to deal with whenit's you know your, your actual
father, your husband.
Yeah, for that for them to seeit is extremely tragic.
(55:57):
I wouldn't wish that on nobodyas a family, but for somebody
who can remove themselves fromthe situation because they don't
have a relationship with thatperson's family, you can look at
it like, hey, we're having aconversation because this could
be anybody.
Anybody can die from a bulletto the head, so just think about
(56:17):
how fickle life is.
Make sure we prep uh, I thinkwe also have a degree to life
insurance, definitely as adults,adult men in general.
So I think that we shouldalways try to at least prep as
much as we can for that timeyeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, I feel like it's uh, that that is, that is
true, that it is a real thing.
I just feel like it's supertraumatic to see something like
that.
It's just like bad energy tosee that.
You're kind of like invitingthat in your home, but when you
(56:54):
make the point about Gaza, I'mlike damn.
There are so many other momentsin history where people will
come in and rape the wholevillage and wipe out a whole
civilization and, you know,kidnap people and all that and
they seeing not just one person.
Or just like you said with Gaza, they ain't seeing one.
(57:15):
They seeing that shit probablyain't nothing to them.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
No more to just wake up and see a dead body.
Yeah, I mean.
Picture you going outside andyou see a lynched black man from
the tree oh my god, yeah, youknow yeah yeah that's terrifying
to see, yeah, yeah, and thatyou know there's no consequences
for the action of killing thatman.
So there's a lot oftraumatizing things, to where
it's like, yeah, this istraumatic, but it could be much
(57:46):
worse.
There's more troubling timesthat have passed and maybe
there's troubling times in thefuture.
I'm sure that's going to be thecase for others ourselves
possibly.
I'm not going to say I'm sure,but that's a scenario that may
happen, it's humans, yeah,exactly.
Yeah exactly.
So I also live in that worldwhere it's like, yeah, it's
(58:11):
unfortunate that can be anybody,but there's been troubling
times that our ancestors haveseen Facts, facts, yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
I'm good too, all right.
Well, this is two.
For the culture, this isanother good one.
Hope you all enjoyed it.
We'll be back, we'll be, back.
Yes, sir.
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