August 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Justin and Stephen reflect on their recent Nashville adventures while diving into deeper conversations about relationships, spontaneity, and what it means to be truly seen by a partner.
• Nashville hangouts including affordable drinks at Melrose Billards versus the expensive cocktails at Harriet's
• Stephen's spontaneous moment jumping fences and dancing alone at construction sites as a way to embrace living in the moment
• Confronting infidelity and how Justin immediately called his girlfriend after discovering she cheated
• The unequal nature of love and how we give different levels of grace to different partners
• Finding partners who make you feel seen and appreciated through thoughtful gestures
• The power of small, meaningful gifts versus expensive presents that lack personal connection
• Discussion about the lack of guidance for women on how to be partners versus just independent individuals
• The internal conflict between wanting a deep, committed relationship versus enjoying independence
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Stephen Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yes sir, we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How you feeling.
Yeah, I feel good.
I feel good.
What happened, yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
yeah, we'll get straight into it.
We had a good weekend.
Yeah, hung out a little bitmore, showed you a little bit
more of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You did, you did.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I love that place.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Is it called Billards ?
Is that the one we went to thefirst night?
Damn, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, the one with
the pool tables and the dartsand all that stuff Right, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was Melrose Billards,where we got some affordable
drinks.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, no, you're guilty with the tequila water.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's just you know easy.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's too easy.
It gets you there.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That shit ain't nothing bro.
Yeah, exactly that shit $8.
Well, there you know I meanevery other place I went to
except Harriet's.
Okay, yeah, I still don'tunderstand that.
What?
Why?
My bill was $38 for two tequilaand waters.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's just where you at, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That still doesn't make sense, though, a tequila
water.
Yeah, not a drink, drink, yeah,that don't matter.
I feel like when he asked mewhat type of tequila and I said,
oh, it don't matter.
Oh yeah, I think he fucked me,what type of tequila.
And I said, oh, it don't matteroh I think, he fucked me over.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, and he's just like you know what
?
I'm gonna give him the reallyreally good, yeah, yeah yeah,
but I don't think they ever dothat yeah, no, so they do charge
you more for the tequila youget right right yeah.
So if you get don julio, you'regonna get, you're gonna pay
more yeah, I feel like that'swhat happened, because that
didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was like $40 for two and it wasn't like a really
really nice drink.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Did you feel the drinks at all?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah.
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, for sure Imight like pregame a little bit
before I go to a place and thenjust get literally a tequila
water.
That'll be $8, $8, $9, $10.
Great time Then I just likecook and eat here, but I haven't
really been cooking like that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
That was a very fun place.
That was the first place, right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, so we went to Melrose Village, then we went to
Hattie.
You experienced Hattie B's forthe first time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, definitely better than Popeye's.
Definitely better than Popeye's.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I was like, okay, cause you really like the grits,
huh.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I forgot about the grits.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that was random .
That's what you ordered, though.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, no, I know that I guess I'm just so used to
Popeye's that like the sides iskind of like normal everywhere
you go.
It's like you're either goingto get fries or a certain amount
of things.
But when I saw grits on there Iwas like oh shit, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Are you usually a breast guy?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Uh, I fucked myself over.
I was like really trying tothink of a joke.
Yeah, I got you yeah but um,yeah, I like titties.
Uh, I do, but sometimes it belike Too much chicken.
Yeah, yeah, that shit likeWeigh me down a little bit.
Okay.
So I mean I like, what is itlike?
(03:14):
Flats drums.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And then, well, I'm thinking Like you got drums, you
got thighs, you got wings.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Alright, I think I like, yeah, the brushes be like
a lot of fucking chicken yeah,yeah, because I'm like what they
call like a quarter leg.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So that's the thigh and the leg that comes together
oh, okay on one piece oh yeahexactly, and that's more because
the thigh has more fat content,so it's more of a juicier
chicken.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So I definitely love thighs and legs, but I got the
tenders.
Do you feel like the mild wasenough?
You could have stepped up tomedium.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't remember it being spicy.
No, I do remember it being alittle spicier than Popeyes.
So I don't.
I think I'm cool, cuz any othertime I had hot chicken.
It's just like I turn red andstart sweating and shit.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I got you.
Yeah, I mean yeah, but mediumis just, I think it's a good
level.
But but if Popeye's spicy istoo spicy for you, no.
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Mm-mm.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You can step up to medium at Hattie B's Now.
Medium at any other place maybe a little much.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, but Hattie B's is a good medium.
Yeah, because I remembergetting hot chicken at that
other place that we went to andthat shit was fucking hot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think you went there by yourself.
No, oh, you're talking aboutthat bar place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasoutside, oh yeah, and I was like
I wouldn't have recommendedthat one.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I did not even get the spicy one, I got mild
and that shit was fucking hot,oh, ok, yeah, yeah, there's no
telling what's above that.
I got you.
No, that was fun.
And then the Up Down place.
That was a cool place.
I'm surprised I haven't, likescrolled and you know, saw that
pop up in my feed because Ialways save things for Nashville
(05:17):
.
So, yeah, harriet's was thenext place that I wanted to go
to, but yeah, I always save itand put it all in a folder for
Nashville and that never poppedup.
I'm really surprised that placedidn't pop up.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So how would you rate Harriet's one to ten?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Harriet's.
I haven't fully experiencedHarriet's, but I think I'm going
to go For what it looks like.
It looks like it's a fire placeto go, you know, for the vibes
and stuff.
Vibe wise, I might give it likeAn 8.9, 8.9, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Even the pricing didn't take it down enough.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That don't sit well with me.
I feel like I feel like I gotfucked over.
Okay, so that's the only placeever that I paid $40 for two.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So would you put it down To like a 7.5 then?
No, oh, wow, 8.9, that's veryhigh Cause.
My experience with Harriet Wassimilar to yours, to where I was
like this drink is a lot.
It's not my vibe.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
What did you?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
get.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I couldn't remember you, I couldn't remember it,
yeah, so you got a real drinkthen.
You got a real drink then.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No, I'm not a real drinker, I'm not going to get no
real drink.
Right, right, arnold Palmer,old fashioned I'm going to get a
tequila water or a high noon orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Palmer, old Fashioned .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going toget a tequila water or a high
noon or something like that Huh.
I don't know Well shit.
Maybe, that's just what it is.
Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, ifI and I went at like 1 o'clock,
1, 2, or 3 o'clock, so like thevibes, didn't fully pick up yet
it wasn't packed, okay, so howdo you feel about?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
because I didn't join you when you went to harriot's
how do you?
Feel about going placesyourself.
Is that easy?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
um, it's easier now, uh, than it was before.
Um, you know, it kind of justis what it is.
It's just like you know.
You realize like you got to getused to those type of things.
Or I realize, like I told youyesterday, I was like you're my
only friend here so I have toliterally make myself go out.
(07:40):
But I love energy, I love notbeing at the house, I love that.
So, uh, it's not it's.
It's gotten easier now that Iknow, to ask the bartenders what
their name is and then I tellthem my name.
(08:00):
For some reason that makes thenight way better.
I don't know why, but thatchanged a lot.
So if I'm just by myself and Idon't say anything to anybody,
then it's it's like I'm just analcoholic at the bar, like
that's what it feels like,because you're not doing
anything except sitting thereand um.
But as soon as I'm like, uh,what's your name again, I was
(08:25):
like, oh, I'm like last night Ithink his name was Ethan or some
shit, and I was like Ethan andI was like, oh, stephen, stephen
Ray.
And then we shook up and thenthey start asking me questions.
It happens like that every timeand then you know, now I know
the guy here or the woman here.
So it's, you know, you gottaget used to being, I guess, by
(08:47):
yourself if you don't haveanybody no, I, I totally
understand I literally jumpedsome gates yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, yeah so the ethan, the bartender where you
was at, where did you goyesterday?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
uh, up the street by the soho house um, I don't know
the name of it, but it's wepassed by it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's like on that little strip it was nothing like
the amerigo spot you talkingabout the amerigo is a cafe
right oh, I don't know.
I think it's like americano orsomething like that right,
that's a cafe okay, so how wasthe experience there?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
uh, I, I didn't really experience too much.
I just sat there, got a tequilawater and basically just dipped
after that.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But right, before that nice the vibe was cool.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The vibe was cool, um , it was like it was kind of
like a tucked away thing, notnecessarily like the other
tucked away spot, because mostof these tucked away spots- in
Nashville are actually lit.
But you could just tell it'sprobably like 50% capacity every
time type shit.
So it's a chill vibe.
(09:59):
But right before thenNashville's got like this
construction and shit going on.
And I had a conversation withsomebody like a week ago and
talking about being spontaneous.
And then I have a few momentsin my life of being like super
spontaneous.
(10:19):
But I can't really count, onone hand, like the amount of
like, like crazy stories youknow what I'm saying Like what's
the most spontaneous thingyou've ever done, type thing,
and I can't really count, on onehand, like how many times I did
something like crazyspontaneous, and then I told him
I was like I have a spontaneousspirit, but I guess it just
(10:41):
depends on who I'm with.
Like even when I'm with you,I'm like hey, bro, you trying to
, you trying to uh.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Hey, you talking about that one couple?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I was like let's walk up to the girl and
say you didn't text me back.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, with her man right there.
Yeah, with her man right there,yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I'll have those thoughts sometimes, like let's
just do this or whatever.
And I was talking to thatperson and I was like, damn, you
(11:16):
know, being spontaneous, I kindof left that in the hands of
the people that I'm with or like, or I told them, like you know,
yeah, I can't be spontaneous.
I have a spontaneous spirit,but it depends on who I'm with
for it to be like a spontaneousnight or some shit like that.
Then I thought about it and I'mlike, damn, if I keep living
(11:39):
like that, I'll never doanything spontaneous until I
find, like a woman who's readyto like, do anything or whatever
.
And last night I was walkingbefore I got to that place and
then, like, I walked past thegate and then I thought to
myself I was like, damn if.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I had a girl.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I definitely would just say are you trying to go
through here like to just tohave a moment?
You know what I'm saying?
It was like some constructionsite, whatever rocks and all
that shit around, and I was likewhy don't I just do these
things by myself?
And then I just like went.
I just like fuck it.
I went in there, startedlistening to Drake, started
(12:23):
dancing in the middle of thisfield, and then I walked out of
there and there was anotherconstruction site and I was like
shit, I'm going to do it.
And then I went in there it waslike an abandoned building and
did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you started dancing by yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And how did you feel?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Very fulfilled, okay, yeah.
So yeah, and how do you feel?
Very fulfilled?
Okay, yeah, it was just likedamn, like I I really I don't
know.
It's just like.
Sometimes I feel like we allget so caught up in order and
like, uh, just like across thestreet, like you see that place
or whatever and this is at ateight o'clock, they're off work
that that shit is vacant andlike it could be a moment, you
(13:07):
know where, you just chill.
You could just be sitting on oneof those fucking balconies
that's not even fully developedyet and just think, you know, it
felt like I was living, likeyou know.
So, yeah, I like doing stufflike um, yeah, I like doing
stuff like that.
I like doing stuff like theysaid, you know, not going to
jail, but but if it's likesomewhere where I feel like if I
(13:32):
run into somebody, then I justlike, oh my bad, sorry, and I
could just go home like I'drather do that yeah, it just
felt like.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It felt like I was living.
Oh well, that's really cool.
I don't have that mentalityyeah, yeah yeah, I just mind my
business, doing what I'm doing,like, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
you know, I feel like there'slike karens, everywhere in the
world, absolutely just my, justjust my life.
Hey, are you allowed to be uphere?
(14:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
what?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
yeah, you just run away yeah, yeah, I'm just like,
I just mind my business and keepmoving, because, yeah, you
never know that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That is a fact, and that's what stopped me from
doing that a lot.
Um, you know, karma is real forme I always get caught in any
anything I'm not supposed to bedoing but I feel like I don't
know small stuff like that, likeif, if if you saw the places
that I walked into, you'd belike nobody's going to be here.
So, um, yeah, yeah, I definitelywant to do things to just like
(14:34):
enjoy life more, even if there'slike it doesn't even look like
it's an opportunity to.
But it could be just a simplewalk, but like I could actually
make a moment here, even formyself.
So yeah, I feel fulfilled.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, that's cool.
Yeah, I would love toexperience like I feel like
you're freer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and Ifeel very constricted, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Why you say that I don't know.
Oh, you mean like, just ingeneral, you feel like, I feel
like, can you like I?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
feel like it sounds like freedom when I hear what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It sounds like freedom and yeah like yeah, I
would say like I'm not free, butI'm very bound to the
environment.
I'm in Right, yeah, yeah, and Isometimes don't feel like I
have, just by the energy, yougive that same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, which is weird.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I mean, it is energy you give that same thing, yeah,
yeah, which is weird.
I mean it is it kind of is whatit is.
It's like yeah, I got a 20 yearbed, ain't nothing really going
to change on my end.
So I might as well, make thebest of it.
It's like not depressing, it'sjust what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, no, for sure I was.
And again, like I'm 50-50 onthis thing.
So you know, I have thoughtsand shit like that, like when
I'm with you, like hey, were youtrying to steal this shit real
quick?
I'm definitely kidding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But like half the time I do wonder like that could
have been a moment.
Yeah, no, I think I love theidea of like I want to take a
risk for the fun of it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, and I don't feel like I have that same
.
Well, I know I don't have thatsame mentality.
I'm not sure exactly where thatcomes from, but it sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, and that's cool, that you know you
put that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Because I'm going to say no every time because the
risk ain't worth the reward.
Yeah, because I'm going to sayno every time Because the risk
ain't worth the reward.
Yeah, like whatever I'm goingto be like, yeah, I'm going to
steal this candy bar and at thispoint, do what with it?
Just eat it.
And now I got to hold thisThing of what I took.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right, right right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or or even with that one dude, I was like you trying
to get him to beat my ass.
He's like bruh, you think hecan beat your ass.
I was like I'm pretty sure hecan't, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah
yeah, yeah.
The thing is.
What I'm really saying is Igotta ruin this man's day for a
(17:00):
joke.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I feel like if I were to ever do something like
that.
I need to have a good ending.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'm just playing something, but um, that would
have been fucking funny the ideaof it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Things can go very wrong very quickly, like what if
this man started crying?
Oh my god, I just I slapped herLike there's a lot of things
that could have went wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And that's why I look at things in the highest degree
, Like there's more wrong thanjust going right.
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely Because he couldhave found it funny, but the
odds of that happening are slimtoo, very slim.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, very slim .
I just, I just man, just in myhead, just thinking about it,
how they were and knowing likewe both could have took this,
yeah, I mean yeah, one handbehind our back type.
But but it was just the thoughtof just going up to a random
couple, say you, you didn't textme back.
And then she's like I don'tknow you, oh, you don't know me
(18:12):
now, and you just walk the fuckoff.
That's funny.
But the only thing that wouldstop me from committing to that
would be thinking that thatshit's going to happen to me
later, like in my life.
Now I got a wife and thisrandom fucking guy comes up to
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my table and says text me back.
It don't matter what my girlsays I'm that shit in my head
now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I would think that was for any man to do.
That.
I would feel like it would be ajoke.
Me personally, it's like youhave the balls to come up to me
and, regardless, y'all know whatyou are, if you think y'all are
dating and I know where we at.
(19:02):
So I was like do you haveweight?
How am I going to rationalizeit very quickly?
There's no way she can spendthat much time with you when
she's with me.
So if you're spending that muchtime together, you know what it
is, so you wouldn't come to meon that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's how I would think that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So I knew it would be a joke.
Otherwise you know you're theside chick or it was just a
fling or whatever, and youwouldn't be bothered with it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, if you legitimately came to it and
thought it was something else,then it couldn't really be
possible.
And I'm just going out me andmy own relationship, right yeah,
now if we're on a first date,oh.
Yeah, yeah, then that's acompletely separate situation.
Now I'm going to look like dangyou like that.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
mean but I'm not going to, I'm going to just let
the situation play out?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then if he engages with me,he engages with me.
If he puts his hands on her,then I'm going to have to defend
her because she's in my care.
Yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, I don't want to .
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then I'll leave it alone after that, Like okay,
she's not worth messing with.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, I wouldn't want to ruin happy homes.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's fucked up, so you never slept with a married
woman?
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, so you never slept with a married woman?
No, I don't think so.
The only reason I say I don'tthink so Is just cause I'm
pretty sure there's a woman outthere that would lie.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
No, what's she say?
I'm married and I wouldn't havesex with you.
That's happened to me before,for real, yeah.
I was like you should have keptthat to yourself, cause now my
conscience will.
Yeah, it's a karma thing for mebefore, for real, yeah, um, I
was like you should have keptthat to yourself, because now I
you know my conscience yeah,it's a karma thing for me.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, it's like I'm assuming that she would be
attractive and I, like, wouldreally want to type thing, but
um, like I said, man, my karmabe following me, so that that
would be.
Yeah, like if I felt like Iwould never get found out and
all that type of shit.
Like it sounds like one ofthose times.
(21:16):
I want that one story thathappened.
That's like spontaneous, but Ifeel like this shit gonna follow
me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I would be scared.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I would be scared after I've done that after.
I've done that, after I've donethat, and then I'll have a wife
eventually and the house andeverything's in order.
I'm going to be thinking aboutthat one time that I smashed on
a married woman and thinkingdamn, that could be my girl.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
What about if she was in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
What you saying, it's not as tied down, not as Like
tied down, not as tied down.
I mean, I've done it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Did you feel bad?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Did your karma Come and attack you?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, it didn't.
It didn't Not that you know of,I guess.
I guess not that I know of.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Maybe I did get got one time it could be manifested
in another way, uh-huh then, theexact way you know you could
have been robbed you know, allright, um no, I didn't feel bad
about that at all.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, yeah she.
I mean, they shouldn't havebeen together.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh, that's how you justify it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, like she was not trustworthy, let's say that,
okay, clearly not trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, would you have let him know?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Would you want me to sit down and bring him a coffee?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Write him an anonymous letter and stick it on
the coffee.
Now say that happened to youwhen you was in a relationship.
A man wrote a anonymous letterand stick it on your wiper blade
.
It's like, hey, I feel reallybad, but I'm having sex with
your girl and she's beingunfaithful to you In the worst
way.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He put in the worst way on there yeah yeah, she's
sucking me off.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like her blowjobs are incredible.
Does she do this thing like hey, yeah, yeah she.
She has um a birthmark on herpelvis yeah, I was just thinking
that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I was like, what if this nigga said like
yeah her tattoo on her lowerback with the kitty, cat or some
shit.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Anytime she's about to nut, she makes this face
matter of fact, here's the photoyeah, of course that would be
wild yeah yeah, yeah, that's thesame face.
No, yeah, yeah, or he gives youthe date that matches perfectly
, when she wasn't around.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Oh my God, yeah, yeah , when she went on the girl's
trip.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, there was no way hewould do that.
She really didn't go on thegirl's trip.
Right she actually was herewith me and just allowed her to
give it three days, and all herfriends vouched for it.
First of all, this nigga hateme no, no, but he's telling you.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
He's telling me too much at this point, but he felt
bad.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's what you said.
You felt bad, they needed tobreak up and he maybe felt that
same way.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No, he's trying to do me in, he's trying to kill me
off at that point, oh my God, ifI read a message like that.
I'm about the relationshiprelationships I've been in, oh
my god, that would.
That would really me up thatwould hurt myself incredibly, oh
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god and I don't know who thisman is.
Do you know how many times youknow?
You know how many I'm like man,I'm mean mugging huh how does
he know my car?
This one.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, I guess he knows where I stay, and he put
it on the white blade maybe thisis what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
We stay together.
Maybe, Bro, I'm Every Every guythat I run into at my apartment
.
I'm looking at them in the eyefor more than a second to see.
If I see any, I'm probablygonna turn into a crazy man.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That dude be looking at everybody crazy.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
confront her about it .
That's not an option.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't know, that's a party.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Or you're going to give it to yourself until you
need to ambush her with it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, no, no, no.
I would immediately confronther.
Yeah, mm-hmm, I don't care whatshe's doing, she could be
getting baptized.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We're going to talk about this.
Who is this man?
You will wait.
Huh, you will wait.
If you know she's with herparents, you're going to call
her immediately.
Yeah, okay, oh God, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
God, this girl cheated on me, this one girl
cheated on me.
She was at a family function.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I called her about seven times I'm like we're gonna
talk right now.
I got you, yeah, you need to gooutside, yeah, yeah, and did
y'all talk about it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
uh, yeah, well, I mean it was.
It was like I was going in.
I was going in, but I mean she,she cheated on me.
So, uh, I remember calling herand it was like around Christmas
time, so like she was aroundfamily and you know she was very
, very, very family oriented.
You hear everybody in thebackground having fun.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And I'm just like Is this when you was a teenager?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No, this is like two years a year ago.
The one girl who always wasmessing up.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh OK.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, so she was.
She was at her family functionand then you know, I found out
and I'm like I ain't gettingenough information.
But then she had to go to afamily.
It was christmas time, so likeshe had to- go over there.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You're talking about your long-term relationship,
right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
the shorter term oh, okay, the most recent one yeah
okay yeah, I got you, I was justtrying to okay, uh-huh so when
I found about you know whenshe's seeing me, I was like you
know, uh, uh.
It was the same day.
She was going somewhere withher family and I was supposed to
be there.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was actually supposed to fly to her to be
with her and then I basicallycanceled the flight and all that
.
And now she went.
Now she showed up to this thingWhere's your boyfriend at Now?
She looks awkward and I'mcalling her while she's there,
like trying to get moreinformation on this thing.
And, yeah, she, I mean shoutout to how she handled it
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Because, like I was not playing,I was definitely not playing.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I was like so who this nigga?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
she's like oh, thank you, yeah, I'll just like.
She's like she's really shehandled that very well.
Yeah, because she like shetried to show up, you know, and
like be like uh, respectfultoward me, but also like she's
with her family yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So she got to be very uh positive facing in front of
her family, in front of family.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
She gotta have a straight back.
And uh huh, what do you did it?
And they could tell.
The people around could tell,like I was kind of going off on
the phone because somebody likeour uncle or something asked
like who was that and I heardher it's like no, it's uh, it's
fine.
It's fine, it's all fine, andthen uh, but I mean, I ain't
give a fuck, it wasn't me andwhat I ain't fuck up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You did yeah, yeah, yeah and, but she, she said it
too.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
She said it to her family.
She was like no guys, he's cool, it was actually my fault, so I
respected some part of thatyeah but I, but I'm calling, I'm
hitting you up.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We're going to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know I will be.
It will be very on my mind, forsure.
It will be very hard for me tothink.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
To get off my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I know that feeling very well.
I maybe would have delayed it alittle bit.
Maybe probably because I stillwanna.
I have that, I want to have theuh the right conversation
that's not what I'm looking for,just more.
(29:03):
I want them to look at mepositive, possibly yeah, yeah
the family their family, yeah,yeah so she cheated on you yeah,
for sure, I think that she's inthe wrong, but I still want to
have that, that positive idea ofme, that positive impression of
who I am.
Absolutely yeah, yeah.
So I probably still would havedelayed it a little bit yeah, um
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.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, yeah, I was seeing red that day.
It had just happened?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
do you and do you think that you would have
looking, looking back at it now?
Would you have changed that orno?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Only because, like I don't want to give you more time
to think about how you're goingto get out of this.
Okay, I don't.
No, I'm cutting all that offlike, yeah, I'm gonna get the
real, you like the real reaction.
(29:59):
It just happened boom, becauseif I give you a couple days, you
done thought about it too muchokay, so I also.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
that relationship is a little hard for me to
understand Because, after allthe things, you're still willing
to make it work.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That was the main thing, that I was willing to
make it work.
Just because of um, just justbecause of other factors like
the, the chief, first of all, Inever got well I don't think
I've ever gotten cheated onbefore so that shit was new to
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me on top of that, thatsituation where her cheating it
was like well, I don't want togo too, too into detail, but you
know like it was like othershit going on too, like with
that whole situation, so I couldbe mad at her for something,
but like there's another part ofthat story, that like there are
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bad people out there so like I,I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You see what I'm saying, like it was.
I mean, I know the story, so,yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So there was a up and down to that, but you know I
still was mad at her for puttingherself in, whatever position.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think that she has a lot to blame with that for
sure, oh right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But, but just to sum it up, though, that that only
one situation, that the cheatingsituation, was the thing that I
, um tried to look past becauseof the other factors, but
everything else she was doinglike that shit was killing
everything off.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, because in my mind and we can kind of flesh it
out in real time is the factthat when leniency in a
relationship and how muchwilling we're willing to look
past in a sense because of thelove you have for somebody and
also what they do for you aswell.
(32:04):
Yeah, so yeah, I think thatWould I be lenient Now In my you
asking me.
No, I'm thinking it Like wouldI be that lenient yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You can't?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I want to say that I agree, but in the past, when I
was very young and naive, I feellike I was yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was just saying, likeit's weird in a way, because
both of them are your girlfriend, you're going to give more
grace to one versus the other.
Yeah, and why is that?
(32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
and why is that?
Like um, like it's.
It's like I want, it's likedang you love ain't equal for
real, it ain't yeah, yeah, yeahand yeah, it's, it's, it's
strange.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Somehow I want the math to work.
You know what I?
Mean but it's like I'm gonnalove.
Unfortunately, I'm gonna loveher more than I love her, even
though they're both with my.
You know what I mean?
They both were my girlfriend atone point.
But somebody like like you see,these relationships that you
know um, you have monogamous andthen you have a I forgot what
(33:24):
the polygamy polyamousrelationship.
There's no way he can love themboth equally.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You think so?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You think that's possible?
I don't know how we're sayingit is like, yeah, you're going
to love one more than the other,Like there's more grace you
gave for so-and-so than you havefor another.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right, this is different.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know and so and then, but I wouldn't do that
again though, yeah, so we wouldyou be surprised?
How would you feel if youwasn't the person she loved the
most?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
if I wasn't the person that she loved the most,
how would I feel now?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Like okay, so say you really absolutely love your
next girlfriend, Right?
We just talked about how thelove aren't equal.
You're going to love your oldgirlfriend versus new, just vice
versa, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
How love is not equal , just vice versa, or whatever.
Uh-huh, how love is not equal.
And you say I don't know if youwould ever say, or if it ever
came out that she actually lovedher ex-boyfriend more than she
does love you.
But even though she can't bewith him because of whatever
reason, you just know that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I think that's facts.
Okay, you're cool with livingin that world.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Okay, you're cool with living in that world.
Huh, you're cool with living inthat world, Knowing that you're
kind of like you can never getthe love.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I think that's natural, though, right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Because if I think about it, girlfriend number
whatever like her versus thegirl that I was with for six
years and wanted to marry.
I mean how you gonna get closeto that yeah, but I feel like
your past relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You love more than your girlfriend in six years.
There's no, that's impossible.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Your past relationship you love more than
your girlfriend in six years?
There's no, that's impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's.
I think that I get what you'resaying.
You're like why did he?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
let this happen and this nigga stayed.
This nigga's crazy.
I get that, but no, the othergirl was a very deep, very real,
like love.
We couldn't figure it out.
You know what I'm saying itwasn't necessarily the best.
(36:00):
All the time there were ups anddowns and we didn't.
I don't think we properly lovedeach other how we should have
in certain areas and stuff, butto be with someone for six years
, it's like that shit was real.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know what I'm saying, so for, that situation.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There was love there, but it seemed like it was more
of like a drug than it beingreact, Like what real love is,
like the ups and downs, the I'mlooking at your fucking attitude
but I'm gonna stay with yourass and I'm like did it?
Like?
There's this, it's so, it's somuch more.
Um, I say value in those longterm relationships and I get
(36:50):
what you're saying as being myhomie and seeing me do it.
But yeah, that relationship, itdefinitely felt like a drug.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Because one more one.
You seem more interested to seehow she's doing versus the
other.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Um, yeah, sort of, but like at the same time it's
like there's a lot of un,there's a lot of things that I
didn't get to like with her, orthere's there there layers of
her that I didn't get to theother girl.
I know every nook and cranny ofthis woman.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You know I'm saying so, you saying there's still
opportunity to work on.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's not necessarily opportunity, it just was like a
I don't know man.
It's just like a damn near likeI was like a kid in a candy
store with her, but the otherone I knew the business from the
ground up.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Does that make sense?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
got you.
Yeah, so the ups and downs ofthe business, that is, but in
that one I'm not even payingattention to what's what,
anything that deals with thisplace.
It's just like oh, I like candy, candy's here, oh damn, you
know.
And how I was being treated.
First of all, I have to say,women that treat a man, it's
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only a certain, it's only acertain type of women out there
that will treat a man like aking bro, just make you feel
like intentionally, like want todo, like wakes up, wants to be
this type of person.
She just had a whole bunch ofother shit going on, but that's
why I gave her leniency andagain, like there were variables
(38:38):
within certain things.
Yeah, yeah.
So it wasn't like I just likedher more, it just was.
I was really enjoying that timeand being like praised, like
you walk in a room, you justfeel like you know let me cook
you something.
Let me give you a massage.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let me, let me let me , oh, yeah, it's just yeah, yeah
, right I mean, yeah, that'sgreat yeah I mean, that's true.
You know, I've never had that Ididn't have.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
It was a fairy tale.
Before I saw it, I'm like, no,that is out there.
That is really really out there.
So I can see the desire to wantyeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Because you feel them wanting to be with you and want
to see you happy and want tosee you successful.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I feel extremely seen as something that I didn't have
.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I mean shout out to everyone I've been with but like
it was never like that before,I never experienced that before.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I never experienced that before.
To be on that level.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
If somebody's willing to cook for you, that's
something, but that seems like acompletely different level.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That level was crazy.
I never experienced that shit.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think that's just like not to be on my Red Pill
stuff, but that's like more youget, the more independent route
of women, especially black women, how they grow up, and so I
don't really blame them forgoing like, hey, I can do
(40:09):
without a man.
But you also lose a lot ofsubmissiveness in that yeah,
yeah yeah, so you, so you ain'treally gonna see that, because
now it's like I ain't doing thatfor you exactly.
(40:30):
Yeah, yeah, and think I do alot of that too In my current
relationship.
If I saw a lot of dishes in thesink, I'm going to wash it.
You're right If there's a thingthat I see that like hey, how
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old is that?
Iron.
You know, yeah, the iron islike old.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I can get you a new one.
Yeah yeah, so it's like I do alot of that.
I mean, I don't want to speakfor every single man, but they
had an opportunity to see wherethe thing that needs to be fixed
in the house or something, andI was like we do that too.
That's why I was telling myrelationship was like I want I
submit to you as you submit tome.
I want to see you happy, yeah,so I'm going to try to do the
(41:21):
thing that makes you happy, evensometimes if it's a detriment
to myself.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I do it for the smile , yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I do for the gratefulness of it.
Now you can tell me.
But there's another thing offeeling it like yeah, I
appreciate it, like, yeah, like,but there's a difference
between that and you say I can'tbelieve you did this for me
exactly, and that's why I stuckmy ass around how could I even
(41:50):
pay you back for this thing?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
that's why I had to learn that.
How could I even pay you backfor this thing?
That's why I had to learn thatshit I'm like damn.
When you don't have, whenyou're in lack thereof, you
don't really know the potentialof what things can be, for
example, like what you just said.
There's a girl that I was withthat, where she'll be like I
said I'm sorry.
There's a girl that I was withthat where she'll be like I said
I'm sorry.
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And then there's another one whowill give me a whole not saying
I need this, but like a wholethought out paragraph, no, no,
no conversation leading to it towhere I'm like my feelings are
hurt, or you know me me sayingbut you didn't even say sorry or
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that, with none of that, andthere's a girl who actually just
like lay that shit all out.
so, yeah, like some people arejust more intentional and I do
feel like I don't know how it'slike this, but I feel like there
isn't.
Maybe it's like this on bothsides, but I feel like there's a
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shortage of women teachingGirls how to be, how to treat a
man and like be like a wife.
You know, you're like a womancan teach a woman how to be a
woman.
A man could teach a man how tobe a man, but not necessarily
like a wife.
You know, yeah, like a womancan teach a woman how to be a
woman, a man could teach a manhow to be a man, but not
necessarily like a husband.
You know, I'm saying so and Inoticed that and which is why I
like it's a lot of cases, justlike what you just said, how you
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don't even feel, seen you, youdon't remember.
You know I'm saying like,feeling like I'm, I know for a
fact, I'm seen here, and I feellike that that has a lot to do
with women raising women, yeah,so that is the thing, right?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
yeah, so I I totally agree, like I think the I don't
know.
I'm not a woman, so I don'tknow where the lack of guidance
comes from.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I thought about it.
It's got to be the only thing.
Because they can't learn thatfrom a man.
They can give suggestions I cansuggest to Kaya or my daughter,
I can suggest to her what itfeels like being a man and what
I like, what makes me happy froma woman or a wife.
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But they need to see that, theyliterally need to, like see
that shit happen.
It's like it's like reading abook on being a man.
You gotta, you gotta see thatshit.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You know, or experience certain things that
let you know, like, how to beyou know yeah right, like I was
even telling my sister, I waslike, if you, if you like that,
because she was talking aboutthis a while ago, she's talking
about a man that she liked atthe time.
I was like, what have you didfor him?
I was like I can't do anythingfor him, but showing
consideration goes a long way.
If he likes to smoke weed, justgive him a, a nice asterisk
(44:53):
mm-hmm, that beat us bro yeah,give a nice one like hey, I saw
this, I was thinking about you.
Or you don't have to say I sawthis, you would like hey, you
was on my mind, I was, you know,you got.
You got a lot of things, mm-hmm, but at least want to.
I know you like to smoke, so Ijust wanted to get you an
ashtray.
Or you're like hey, I got you abottle, I know this is your
(45:17):
favorite you're just on my mindand I want to give this to you
that's my whole week right thereexactly that goes a long way.
That didn't cost that much foryou to do, just saying hey, I'm
thinking about you, I love you.
Potentially, if you're on thatlevel, here's this thing for you
to do just saying hey, I'mthinking about you, I love you.
Potentially, if you're on thatlevel, um, here's this thing for
you.
Yeah, it's, it's thethoughtfulness yeah it's
(45:39):
sometimes even thoughtfulness.
It was hey, hey, I don't haveany money, I would love to do
something for you, or if I andokay, it's long distance hey,
you just was on my mind.
I hope you have a great day.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I wish I could see you yeah, no, that's that I
definitely put a lot of thoughtinto um women that I'm either
dating or pursuing a lot ofthought, like down to the point
of if I'm speaking to a womanand like learning her, like I
have a file or folder like onher, like her favorite color
(46:14):
place she wants to go and thisand that, so when that type of
stuff is reciprocated, first ofall I'm amazed cause I didn't
know there are other people outthere like that, or I I didn't.
I haven't experienced a lot ofpeople that are like that.
So, um, no, that that a lot ofpeople that are like that, so,
um, no, that.
That that is something though,that that effort of putting it
(46:36):
in, um, or putting putting ineffort, um.
I still remember, like giftsthat were given to me from
previous women, like it'sbirthday or christmas or
whatever, and you know, onewould get me clothes and then
(46:59):
another one would get me anotebook, because they knew that
I like to write music and it'sjust like that shit was two
dollars, yeah, and that shitlike like really, oh damn, yeah,
my shit died, but yeah, itreally.
It really we still going.
(47:20):
Yeah, I mean, we can keep going.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's just like do it with the audio Okay, yeah, yeah,
yeah, but Sorry, I should turnit off.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, you might as well just turn it off.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
But no, that's actually pretty, pretty dope
though, Like it's literally thelittle things Mm-hmm, and it's
the stuff I can't and that'swhat I.
That's what I want to.
I was like I want to make therelationship work.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's just that it don't feel.
You know it doesn't feel likeI'm equally yoked in it.
Yeah, and that's.
You know my battle.
Yeah, yeah, that's my personalbattle.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I gotta maybe properly communicate that um
because, it's like I want to getto that next thing, but here's
where it's at for me, yeah, andbecause I feel like there is
better yeah, yeah, that, um,that's one thing that I
appreciate from thatrelationship that I was talking
(48:23):
about, the most recent, the mostrecent one is that it happened
like I can actually see howsomething can I can actually.
I got to experience arelationship where, even though
she was definitely fuckingtripping, but like I don't have
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that feeling that like I'm doingall this or like you know, I'm
not seeing or I'm not um, thisand that and it's, it's.
It's it's like you know, I'mnot seen or I'm not this, and
that it's just.
It's like you said, like anequally yoked thing.
That shit is special, that shitis like it's got to be rare.
I mean, clearly, I feel likethere's a lot of men who say
(49:08):
this, exactly what you said,which is why it's a thing of
sometimes, when men talk aboutdifferent.
It's a thing of sometimes, whenmen talk about different, um,
different, uh, cultures,cultural backgrounds of women,
and they'd be like you know, youknow these type of women, they
know how to treat that man right, and because there's a lack
thereof, so it's a veryinteresting, very interesting
(49:29):
concept, um, but I am very happythat I was able to experience
that shit because now you knowwhat to really look for.
Now you know what actually youdon't have to make the excuse of
like this is not real.
It's definitely real, it'sdefinitely out there.
It's just like you gotta findthat person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So that sucks yeah, sucks yeah.
And you know, and there's a lotof wives that I see, are doing
their odor mm-hmm.
But why is that?
See, do it right, mm-hmm?
Like that's kind of what I'mchasing, you know.
Like that's, that's where youknow.
I want to be here totheoretically not train, but to
see you be the, the wife that Iwant to want to see, and I'm not
saying I'm asking for a lot,but I want you got to meet me
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somewhere.
Yeah, you gotta be in your thisin your own way I gotta feel
that, like hey, you know whatthere's um.
In your own way.
I gotta feel that, like hey,you know what there's um,
there's a, there's a step uplevel, and she's actually doing
that, whether she can or not.
Maybe it just ain't gonna mesh.
But yeah yeah, so it's justyeah, it's, it's, it's.
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Relationships are challenging um, because I also see some
people's relationship and I'mlike I'm glad I'm not in that
yeah yeah, yeah, that's notgonna really work for me, and I
wouldn't be surprised if hecheating yeah yeah, it's like
because there's.
Yeah, I was like, but then shemay be doing a lot of things,
right?
Right or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
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But I was like, yeah, thatrelationship ain't gonna work
for me because I put a lot intomine and I want to feel that
same way it's been brought toyou.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, and that's kind of where I'm at with it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, no, that is a fact.
Yeah, there are actually peopleout there that will do that.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I still remember getting in thecar with a girl and I didn't
have a flower for a rose.
And then she gave me one when Igot in the car and that shit
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just made my heart melt.
I'm like no way, you know,there's no way.
They out there, though they outthere, though they out there.
Hopefully I can, you know,experience something you know.
That makes me feel kind of likethat feeling that I had.
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That's definitely something, butI'm always like 50-50 on just I
don't know, bro, Sometimes mosttimes I know my soul wants a
wife, like I told you, likeevery time when shit gets quiet,
there's no emotion, I'm notgoing out and all this, and then
it's just like silent.
I'm like damn.
I could really like, I want tolike love somebody you know, and
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then the other 50% is shit.
And the other 50% is shit.
Or I could just keep coming upand just keep raising my status
and success level and get betterand better at being by myself
and I just might haverelationships that might last
four months, a couple of years,this, that and I don't know.
(52:54):
Go about my life like that.
I just like love differentpeople at different times.
So I'm always like like 50-50on it.
So yeah, I get it, though.
Then the Bible is tellingniggas with like hella wives and
shit.
Where are we supposed to bedoing for?
Speaker 1 (53:14):
real, I don't know, yeah, but who's to say, that's
fulfilling too?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
it's right, right.
Yeah, a real love is definitelymore fulfilling than just like
that surface level.
Your ego is being stroked andyou know you got a couple girls
or whatever.
Or, like I said, the differencebetween the the first girl we
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were talking about and then thelong-term relationship I was in,
it's just like, though the longone had way more ups and downs,
left, right, diagonals.
It felt real.
It was actually real.
That's different.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I wonder why polygamy is illegal.
Why is it illegal though?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
That makes me feel like we're supposed to be doing
it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
I can understand it, frowned upon, but illegal
illegal though.
That makes me feel like we'resupposed to be doing it.
You know what I'm saying.
I can understand it frownedupon, but illegal is weird to me
.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
That doesn't make sense.
Why would it be illegal?
I'm just thinking like moneywise.
The man would be even morefucked over For real.
Which is like good for theeconomy.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
You know, I just don't understand that.
It don't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
That's something to think about.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
But I think we did it .
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Alright.
And we are back with another episode of Two for the
Culture.
I'm Justin Devante.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Stephen Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yes sir, we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How you feeling.
Yeah, I feel good.
I feel good.
What happened, yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
yeah, we'll get straight into it.
We had a good weekend.
Yeah, hung out a little bitmore, showed you a little bit
more of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You did, you did.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I love that place.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Is it called Billards ?
Is that the one we went to thefirst night?
Damn, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, the one with
the pool tables and the dartsand all that stuff Right, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was Melrose Billards,where we got some affordable
drinks.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, no, you're guilty with the tequila water.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's just you know easy.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's too easy.
It gets you there.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That shit ain't nothing bro.
Yeah, exactly that shit $8.
Well, there you know I meanevery other place I went to
except Harriet's.
Okay, yeah, I still don'tunderstand that.
What?
Why?
My bill was $38 for two tequilaand waters.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's just where you at, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That still doesn't make sense, though, a tequila
water.
Yeah, not a drink, drink, yeah,that don't matter.
I feel like when he asked mewhat type of tequila and I said,
oh, it don't matter.
Oh yeah, I think he fucked me,what type of tequila.
And I said, oh, it don't matteroh I think, he fucked me over.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, and he's just like you know what
?
I'm gonna give him the reallyreally good, yeah, yeah yeah,
but I don't think they ever dothat yeah, no, so they do charge
you more for the tequila youget right right yeah.
So if you get don julio, you'regonna get, you're gonna pay
more yeah, I feel like that'swhat happened, because that
didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was like $40 for two and it wasn't like a really
really nice drink.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Did you feel the drinks at all?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah.
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, for sure Imight like pregame a little bit
before I go to a place and thenjust get literally a tequila
water.
That'll be $8, $8, $9, $10.
Great time Then I just likecook and eat here, but I haven't
really been cooking like that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
That was a very fun place.
That was the first place, right.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, so we went to Melrose Village, then we went to
Hattie.
You experienced Hattie B's forthe first time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, definitely better than Popeye's.
Definitely better than Popeye's.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I was like, okay, cause you really like the grits,
huh.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I forgot about the grits.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that was random .
That's what you ordered, though.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, no, I know that I guess I'm just so used to
Popeye's that like the sides iskind of like normal everywhere
you go.
It's like you're either goingto get fries or a certain amount
of things.
But when I saw grits on there Iwas like oh shit, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Are you usually a breast guy?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Uh, I fucked myself over.
I was like really trying tothink of a joke.
Yeah, I got you yeah but um,yeah, I like titties.
Uh, I do, but sometimes it belike Too much chicken.
Yeah, yeah, that shit likeWeigh me down a little bit.
Okay.
So I mean I like, what is itlike?
(03:14):
Flats drums.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And then, well, I'm thinking Like you got drums, you
got thighs, you got wings.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Alright, I think I like, yeah, the brushes be like
a lot of fucking chicken yeah,yeah, because I'm like what they
call like a quarter leg.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So that's the thigh and the leg that comes together
oh, okay on one piece oh yeahexactly, and that's more because
the thigh has more fat content,so it's more of a juicier
chicken.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So I definitely love thighs and legs, but I got the
tenders.
Do you feel like the mild wasenough?
You could have stepped up tomedium.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't remember it being spicy.
No, I do remember it being alittle spicier than Popeyes.
So I don't.
I think I'm cool, cuz any othertime I had hot chicken.
It's just like I turn red andstart sweating and shit.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I got you.
Yeah, I mean yeah, but mediumis just, I think it's a good
level.
But but if Popeye's spicy istoo spicy for you, no.
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Mm-mm.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You can step up to medium at Hattie B's Now.
Medium at any other place maybe a little much.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, but Hattie B's is a good medium.
Yeah, because I remembergetting hot chicken at that
other place that we went to andthat shit was fucking hot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think you went there by yourself.
No, oh, you're talking aboutthat bar place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasoutside, oh yeah, and I was like
I wouldn't have recommendedthat one.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I did not even get the spicy one, I got mild
and that shit was fucking hot,oh, ok, yeah, yeah, there's no
telling what's above that.
I got you.
No, that was fun.
And then the Up Down place.
That was a cool place.
I'm surprised I haven't, likescrolled and you know, saw that
pop up in my feed because Ialways save things for Nashville
(05:17):
.
So, yeah, harriet's was thenext place that I wanted to go
to, but yeah, I always save itand put it all in a folder for
Nashville and that never poppedup.
I'm really surprised that placedidn't pop up.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So how would you rate Harriet's one to ten?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Harriet's.
I haven't fully experiencedHarriet's, but I think I'm going
to go For what it looks like.
It looks like it's a fire placeto go, you know, for the vibes
and stuff.
Vibe wise, I might give it likeAn 8.9, 8.9, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Even the pricing didn't take it down enough.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That don't sit well with me.
I feel like I feel like I gotfucked over.
Okay, so that's the only placeever that I paid $40 for two.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So would you put it down To like a 7.5 then?
No, oh, wow, 8.9, that's veryhigh Cause.
My experience with Harriet Wassimilar to yours, to where I was
like this drink is a lot.
It's not my vibe.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
What did you?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
get.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I couldn't remember you, I couldn't remember it,
yeah, so you got a real drinkthen.
You got a real drink then.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
No, I'm not a real drinker, I'm not going to get no
real drink.
Right, right, arnold Palmer,old fashioned I'm going to get a
tequila water or a high noon orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Palmer, old Fashioned .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going toget a tequila water or a high
noon or something like that Huh.
I don't know Well shit.
Maybe, that's just what it is.
Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, ifI and I went at like 1 o'clock,
1, 2, or 3 o'clock, so like thevibes, didn't fully pick up yet
it wasn't packed, okay, so howdo you feel about?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
because I didn't join you when you went to harriot's
how do you?
Feel about going placesyourself.
Is that easy?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
um, it's easier now, uh, than it was before.
Um, you know, it kind of justis what it is.
It's just like you know.
You realize like you got to getused to those type of things.
Or I realize, like I told youyesterday, I was like you're my
only friend here so I have toliterally make myself go out.
(07:40):
But I love energy, I love notbeing at the house, I love that.
So, uh, it's not it's.
It's gotten easier now that Iknow, to ask the bartenders what
their name is and then I tellthem my name.
(08:00):
For some reason that makes thenight way better.
I don't know why, but thatchanged a lot.
So if I'm just by myself and Idon't say anything to anybody,
then it's it's like I'm just analcoholic at the bar, like
that's what it feels like,because you're not doing
anything except sitting thereand um.
But as soon as I'm like, uh,what's your name again, I was
(08:25):
like, oh, I'm like last night Ithink his name was Ethan or some
shit, and I was like Ethan andI was like, oh, stephen, stephen
Ray.
And then we shook up and thenthey start asking me questions.
It happens like that every timeand then you know, now I know
the guy here or the woman here.
So it's, you know, you gottaget used to being, I guess, by
(08:47):
yourself if you don't haveanybody no, I, I totally
understand I literally jumpedsome gates yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, yeah so the ethan, the bartender where you
was at, where did you goyesterday?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
uh, up the street by the soho house um, I don't know
the name of it, but it's wepassed by it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's like on that little strip it was nothing like
the amerigo spot you talkingabout the amerigo is a cafe
right oh, I don't know.
I think it's like americano orsomething like that right,
that's a cafe okay, so how wasthe experience there?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
uh, I, I didn't really experience too much.
I just sat there, got a tequilawater and basically just dipped
after that.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But right, before that nice the vibe was cool.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The vibe was cool, um , it was like it was kind of
like a tucked away thing, notnecessarily like the other
tucked away spot, because mostof these tucked away spots- in
Nashville are actually lit.
But you could just tell it'sprobably like 50% capacity every
time type shit.
So it's a chill vibe.
(09:59):
But right before thenNashville's got like this
construction and shit going on.
And I had a conversation withsomebody like a week ago and
talking about being spontaneous.
And then I have a few momentsin my life of being like super
spontaneous.
(10:19):
But I can't really count, onone hand, like the amount of
like, like crazy stories youknow what I'm saying Like what's
the most spontaneous thingyou've ever done, type thing,
and I can't really count, on onehand, like how many times I did
something like crazyspontaneous, and then I told him
I was like I have a spontaneousspirit, but I guess it just
(10:41):
depends on who I'm with.
Like even when I'm with you,I'm like hey, bro, you trying to
, you trying to uh.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Hey, you talking about that one couple?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I was like let's walk up to the girl and
say you didn't text me back.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, with her man right there.
Yeah, with her man right there,yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I'll have those thoughts sometimes, like let's
just do this or whatever.
And I was talking to thatperson and I was like, damn, you
(11:16):
know, being spontaneous, I kindof left that in the hands of
the people that I'm with or like, or I told them, like you know,
yeah, I can't be spontaneous.
I have a spontaneous spirit,but it depends on who I'm with
for it to be like a spontaneousnight or some shit like that.
Then I thought about it and I'mlike, damn, if I keep living
(11:39):
like that, I'll never doanything spontaneous until I
find, like a woman who's readyto like, do anything or whatever
.
And last night I was walkingbefore I got to that place and
then, like, I walked past thegate and then I thought to
myself I was like, damn if.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I had a girl.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I definitely would just say are you trying to go
through here like to just tohave a moment?
You know what I'm saying?
It was like some constructionsite, whatever rocks and all
that shit around, and I was likewhy don't I just do these
things by myself?
And then I just like went.
I just like fuck it.
I went in there, startedlistening to Drake, started
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dancing in the middle of thisfield, and then I walked out of
there and there was anotherconstruction site and I was like
shit, I'm going to do it.
And then I went in there it waslike an abandoned building and
did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you started dancing by yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And how did you feel?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Very fulfilled, okay, yeah.
So yeah, and how do you feel?
Very fulfilled?
Okay, yeah, it was just likedamn, like I I really I don't
know.
It's just like.
Sometimes I feel like we allget so caught up in order and
like, uh, just like across thestreet, like you see that place
or whatever and this is at ateight o'clock, they're off work
that that shit is vacant andlike it could be a moment, you
(13:07):
know where, you just chill.
You could just be sitting on oneof those fucking balconies
that's not even fully developedyet and just think, you know, it
felt like I was living, likeyou know.
So, yeah, I like doing stufflike um, yeah, I like doing
stuff like that.
I like doing stuff like theysaid, you know, not going to
jail, but but if it's likesomewhere where I feel like if I
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run into somebody, then I justlike, oh my bad, sorry, and I
could just go home like I'drather do that yeah, it just
felt like.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It felt like I was living.
Oh well, that's really cool.
I don't have that mentalityyeah, yeah yeah, I just mind my
business, doing what I'm doing,like, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
you know, I feel like there'slike karens, everywhere in the
world, absolutely just my, justjust my life.
Hey, are you allowed to be uphere?
(14:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
what?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
yeah, you just run away yeah, yeah, I'm just like,
I just mind my business and keepmoving, because, yeah, you
never know that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
That is a fact, and that's what stopped me from
doing that a lot.
Um, you know, karma is real forme I always get caught in any
anything I'm not supposed to bedoing but I feel like I don't
know small stuff like that, likeif, if if you saw the places
that I walked into, you'd belike nobody's going to be here.
So, um, yeah, yeah, I definitelywant to do things to just like
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enjoy life more, even if there'slike it doesn't even look like
it's an opportunity to.
But it could be just a simplewalk, but like I could actually
make a moment here, even formyself.
So yeah, I feel fulfilled.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, that's cool.
Yeah, I would love toexperience like I feel like
you're freer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and Ifeel very constricted, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Why you say that I don't know.
Oh, you mean like, just ingeneral, you feel like, I feel
like, can you like I?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
feel like it sounds like freedom when I hear what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It sounds like freedom and yeah like yeah, I
would say like I'm not free, butI'm very bound to the
environment.
I'm in Right, yeah, yeah, and Isometimes don't feel like I
have, just by the energy, yougive that same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, which is weird.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I mean, it is energy you give that same thing, yeah,
yeah, which is weird.
I mean it is it kind of is whatit is.
It's like yeah, I got a 20 yearbed, ain't nothing really going
to change on my end.
So I might as well, make thebest of it.
It's like not depressing, it'sjust what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, no, for sure I was.
And again, like I'm 50-50 onthis thing.
So you know, I have thoughtsand shit like that, like when
I'm with you, like hey, were youtrying to steal this shit real
quick?
I'm definitely kidding.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But like half the time I do wonder like that could
have been a moment.
Yeah, no, I think I love theidea of like I want to take a
risk for the fun of it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, and I don't feel like I have that same
.
Well, I know I don't have thatsame mentality.
I'm not sure exactly where thatcomes from, but it sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, and that's cool, that you know you
put that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Because I'm going to say no every time because the
risk ain't worth the reward.
Yeah, because I'm going to sayno every time Because the risk
ain't worth the reward.
Yeah, like whatever I'm goingto be like, yeah, I'm going to
steal this candy bar and at thispoint, do what with it?
Just eat it.
And now I got to hold thisThing of what I took.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right, right right.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or or even with that one dude, I was like you trying
to get him to beat my ass.
He's like bruh, you think hecan beat your ass.
I was like I'm pretty sure hecan't, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah
yeah, yeah.
The thing is.
What I'm really saying is Igotta ruin this man's day for a
(17:00):
joke.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I feel like if I were to ever do something like
that.
I need to have a good ending.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'm just playing something, but um, that would
have been fucking funny the ideaof it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Things can go very wrong very quickly, like what if
this man started crying?
Oh my god, I just I slapped herLike there's a lot of things
that could have went wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And that's why I look at things in the highest degree
, Like there's more wrong thanjust going right.
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely Because he couldhave found it funny, but the
odds of that happening are slimtoo, very slim.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, very slim .
I just, I just man, just in myhead, just thinking about it,
how they were and knowing likewe both could have took this,
yeah, I mean yeah, one handbehind our back type.
But but it was just the thoughtof just going up to a random
couple, say you, you didn't textme back.
And then she's like I don'tknow you, oh, you don't know me
(18:12):
now, and you just walk the fuckoff.
That's funny.
But the only thing that wouldstop me from committing to that
would be thinking that thatshit's going to happen to me
later, like in my life.
Now I got a wife and thisrandom fucking guy comes up to
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my table and says text me back.
It don't matter what my girlsays I'm that shit in my head
now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I would think that was for any man to do.
That.
I would feel like it would be ajoke.
Me personally, it's like youhave the balls to come up to me
and, regardless, y'all know whatyou are, if you think y'all are
dating and I know where we at.
(19:02):
So I was like do you haveweight?
How am I going to rationalizeit very quickly?
There's no way she can spendthat much time with you when
she's with me.
So if you're spending that muchtime together, you know what it
is, so you wouldn't come to meon that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's how I would think that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So I knew it would be a joke.
Otherwise you know you're theside chick or it was just a
fling or whatever, and youwouldn't be bothered with it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, if you legitimately came to it and
thought it was something else,then it couldn't really be
possible.
And I'm just going out me andmy own relationship, right yeah,
now if we're on a first date,oh.
Yeah, yeah, then that's acompletely separate situation.
Now I'm going to look like dangyou like that.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
mean but I'm not going to, I'm going to just let
the situation play out?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then if he engages with me,he engages with me.
If he puts his hands on her,then I'm going to have to defend
her because she's in my care.
Yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, I don't want to .
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then I'll leave it alone after that, Like okay,
she's not worth messing with.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, I wouldn't want to ruin happy homes.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's fucked up, so you never slept with a married
woman?
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, so you never slept with a married woman?
No, I don't think so.
The only reason I say I don'tthink so Is just cause I'm
pretty sure there's a woman outthere that would lie.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
No, what's she say?
I'm married and I wouldn't havesex with you.
That's happened to me before,for real, yeah.
I was like you should have keptthat to yourself, cause now my
conscience will.
Yeah, it's a karma thing for mebefore, for real, yeah, um, I
was like you should have keptthat to yourself, because now I
you know my conscience yeah,it's a karma thing for me.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, it's like I'm assuming that she would be
attractive and I, like, wouldreally want to type thing, but
um, like I said, man, my karmabe following me, so that that
would be.
Yeah, like if I felt like Iwould never get found out and
all that type of shit.
Like it sounds like one ofthose times.
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I want that one story thathappened.
That's like spontaneous, but Ifeel like this shit gonna follow
me.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I would be scared.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I would be scared after I've done that after.
I've done that, after I've donethat, and then I'll have a wife
eventually and the house andeverything's in order.
I'm going to be thinking aboutthat one time that I smashed on
a married woman and thinkingdamn, that could be my girl.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
What about if she was in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
What you saying, it's not as tied down, not as Like
tied down, not as tied down.
I mean, I've done it.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Did you feel bad?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Did your karma Come and attack you?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, it didn't.
It didn't Not that you know of,I guess.
I guess not that I know of.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Maybe I did get got one time it could be manifested
in another way, uh-huh then, theexact way you know you could
have been robbed you know, allright, um no, I didn't feel bad
about that at all.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, yeah she.
I mean, they shouldn't havebeen together.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh, that's how you justify it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, like she was not trustworthy, let's say that,
okay, clearly not trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, would you have let him know?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Would you want me to sit down and bring him a coffee?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Write him an anonymous letter and stick it on
the coffee.
Now say that happened to youwhen you was in a relationship.
A man wrote a anonymous letterand stick it on your wiper blade
.
It's like, hey, I feel reallybad, but I'm having sex with
your girl and she's beingunfaithful to you In the worst
way.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He put in the worst way on there yeah yeah, she's
sucking me off.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like her blowjobs are incredible.
Does she do this thing like hey, yeah, yeah she.
She has um a birthmark on herpelvis yeah, I was just thinking
that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I was like, what if this nigga said like
yeah her tattoo on her lowerback with the kitty, cat or some
shit.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Anytime she's about to nut, she makes this face
matter of fact, here's the photoyeah, of course that would be
wild yeah yeah, yeah, that's thesame face.
No, yeah, yeah, or he gives youthe date that matches perfectly
, when she wasn't around.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Oh my God, yeah, yeah , when she went on the girl's
trip.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, there was no way hewould do that.
She really didn't go on thegirl's trip.
Right she actually was herewith me and just allowed her to
give it three days, and all herfriends vouched for it.
First of all, this nigga hateme no, no, but he's telling you.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
He's telling me too much at this point, but he felt
bad.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's what you said.
You felt bad, they needed tobreak up and he maybe felt that
same way.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No, he's trying to do me in, he's trying to kill me
off at that point, oh my God, ifI read a message like that.
I'm about the relationshiprelationships I've been in, oh
my god, that would.
That would really me up thatwould hurt myself incredibly, oh
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god and I don't know who thisman is.
Do you know how many times youknow?
You know how many I'm like man,I'm mean mugging huh how does
he know my car?
This one.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, I guess he knows where I stay, and he put
it on the white blade maybe thisis what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
We stay together.
Maybe, Bro, I'm Every Every guythat I run into at my apartment
.
I'm looking at them in the eyefor more than a second to see.
If I see any, I'm probablygonna turn into a crazy man.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
That dude be looking at everybody crazy.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
confront her about it .
That's not an option.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't know, that's a party.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Or you're going to give it to yourself until you
need to ambush her with it.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, no, no, no.
I would immediately confronther.
Yeah, mm-hmm, I don't care whatshe's doing, she could be
getting baptized.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We're going to talk about this.
Who is this man?
You will wait.
Huh, you will wait.
If you know she's with herparents, you're going to call
her immediately.
Yeah, okay, oh God, oh.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
God, this girl cheated on me, this one girl
cheated on me.
She was at a family function.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I called her about seven times I'm like we're gonna
talk right now.
I got you, yeah, you need to gooutside, yeah, yeah, and did
y'all talk about it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
uh, yeah, well, I mean it was.
It was like I was going in.
I was going in, but I mean she,she cheated on me.
So, uh, I remember calling herand it was like around Christmas
time, so like she was aroundfamily and you know she was very
, very, very family oriented.
You hear everybody in thebackground having fun.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And I'm just like Is this when you was a teenager?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
No, this is like two years a year ago.
The one girl who always wasmessing up.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh OK.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, so she was.
She was at her family functionand then you know, I found out
and I'm like I ain't gettingenough information.
But then she had to go to afamily.
It was christmas time, so likeshe had to- go over there.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You're talking about your long-term relationship,
right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
the shorter term oh, okay, the most recent one yeah
okay yeah, I got you, I was justtrying to okay, uh-huh so when
I found about you know whenshe's seeing me, I was like you
know, uh, uh.
It was the same day.
She was going somewhere withher family and I was supposed to
be there.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was actually supposed to fly to her to be
with her and then I basicallycanceled the flight and all that
.
And now she went.
Now she showed up to this thingWhere's your boyfriend at Now?
She looks awkward and I'mcalling her while she's there,
like trying to get moreinformation on this thing.
And, yeah, she, I mean shoutout to how she handled it
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Because, like I was not playing,I was definitely not playing.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I was like so who this nigga?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
she's like oh, thank you, yeah, I'll just like.
She's like she's really shehandled that very well.
Yeah, because she like shetried to show up, you know, and
like be like uh, respectfultoward me, but also like she's
with her family yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So she got to be very uh positive facing in front of
her family, in front of family.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
She gotta have a straight back.
And uh huh, what do you did it?
And they could tell.
The people around could tell,like I was kind of going off on
the phone because somebody likeour uncle or something asked
like who was that and I heardher it's like no, it's uh, it's
fine.
It's fine, it's all fine, andthen uh, but I mean, I ain't
give a fuck, it wasn't me andwhat I ain't fuck up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You did yeah, yeah, yeah and, but she, she said it
too.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
She said it to her family.
She was like no guys, he's cool, it was actually my fault, so I
respected some part of thatyeah but I, but I'm calling, I'm
hitting you up.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We're going to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know I will be.
It will be very on my mind, forsure.
It will be very hard for me tothink.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
To get off my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I know that feeling very well.
I maybe would have delayed it alittle bit.
Maybe probably because I stillwanna.
I have that, I want to have theuh the right conversation
that's not what I'm looking for,just more.
(29:03):
I want them to look at mepositive, possibly yeah, yeah
the family their family, yeah,yeah so she cheated on you yeah,
for sure, I think that she's inthe wrong, but I still want to
have that, that positive idea ofme, that positive impression of
who I am.
Absolutely yeah, yeah.
So I probably still would havedelayed it a little bit yeah, um
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.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, yeah, I was seeing red that day.
It had just happened?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
do you and do you think that you would have
looking, looking back at it now?
Would you have changed that orno?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Only because, like I don't want to give you more time
to think about how you're goingto get out of this.
Okay, I don't.
No, I'm cutting all that offlike, yeah, I'm gonna get the
real, you like the real reaction.
(29:59):
It just happened boom, becauseif I give you a couple days, you
done thought about it too muchokay, so I also.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
that relationship is a little hard for me to
understand Because, after allthe things, you're still willing
to make it work.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That was the main thing, that I was willing to
make it work.
Just because of um, just justbecause of other factors like
the, the chief, first of all, Inever got well I don't think
I've ever gotten cheated onbefore so that shit was new to
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me on top of that, thatsituation where her cheating it
was like well, I don't want togo too, too into detail, but you
know like it was like othershit going on too, like with
that whole situation, so I couldbe mad at her for something,
but like there's another part ofthat story, that like there are
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bad people out there so like I,I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You see what I'm saying, like it was.
I mean, I know the story, so,yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So there was a up and down to that, but you know I
still was mad at her for puttingherself in, whatever position.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think that she has a lot to blame with that for
sure, oh right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But, but just to sum it up, though, that that only
one situation, that the cheatingsituation, was the thing that I
, um tried to look past becauseof the other factors, but
everything else she was doinglike that shit was killing
everything off.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, because in my mind and we can kind of flesh it
out in real time is the factthat when leniency in a
relationship and how muchwilling we're willing to look
past in a sense because of thelove you have for somebody and
also what they do for you aswell.
(32:04):
Yeah, so yeah, I think thatWould I be lenient Now In my you
asking me.
No, I'm thinking it Like wouldI be that lenient yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You can't?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I want to say that I agree, but in the past, when I
was very young and naive, I feellike I was yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was just saying, likeit's weird in a way, because
both of them are your girlfriend, you're going to give more
grace to one versus the other.
Yeah, and why is that?
(32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
and why is that?
Like um, like it's.
It's like I want, it's likedang you love ain't equal for
real, it ain't yeah, yeah, yeahand yeah, it's, it's, it's
strange.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Somehow I want the math to work.
You know what I?
Mean but it's like I'm gonnalove.
Unfortunately, I'm gonna loveher more than I love her, even
though they're both with my.
You know what I mean?
They both were my girlfriend atone point.
But somebody like like you see,these relationships that you
know um, you have monogamous andthen you have a I forgot what
(33:24):
the polygamy polyamousrelationship.
There's no way he can love themboth equally.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You think so?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You think that's possible?
I don't know how we're sayingit is like, yeah, you're going
to love one more than the other,Like there's more grace you
gave for so-and-so than you havefor another.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right, this is different.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know and so and then, but I wouldn't do that
again though, yeah, so we wouldyou be surprised?
How would you feel if youwasn't the person she loved the
most?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
if I wasn't the person that she loved the most,
how would I feel now?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Like okay, so say you really absolutely love your
next girlfriend, Right?
We just talked about how thelove aren't equal.
You're going to love your oldgirlfriend versus new, just vice
versa, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
How love is not equal , just vice versa, or whatever.
Uh-huh, how love is not equal.
And you say I don't know if youwould ever say, or if it ever
came out that she actually lovedher ex-boyfriend more than she
does love you.
But even though she can't bewith him because of whatever
reason, you just know that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I think that's facts.
Okay, you're cool with livingin that world.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Okay, you're cool with living in that world.
Huh, you're cool with living inthat world, Knowing that you're
kind of like you can never getthe love.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I think that's natural, though, right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Because if I think about it, girlfriend number
whatever like her versus thegirl that I was with for six
years and wanted to marry.
I mean how you gonna get closeto that yeah, but I feel like
your past relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
You love more than your girlfriend in six years.
There's no, that's impossible.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Your past relationship you love more than
your girlfriend in six years?
There's no, that's impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's.
I think that I get what you'resaying.
You're like why did he?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
let this happen and this nigga stayed.
This nigga's crazy.
I get that, but no, the othergirl was a very deep, very real,
like love.
We couldn't figure it out.
You know what I'm saying itwasn't necessarily the best.
(36:00):
All the time there were ups anddowns and we didn't.
I don't think we properly lovedeach other how we should have
in certain areas and stuff, butto be with someone for six years
, it's like that shit was real.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know what I'm saying, so for, that situation.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
There was love there, but it seemed like it was more
of like a drug than it beingreact, Like what real love is,
like the ups and downs, the I'mlooking at your fucking attitude
but I'm gonna stay with yourass and I'm like did it?
Like?
There's this, it's so, it's somuch more.
Um, I say value in those longterm relationships and I get
(36:50):
what you're saying as being myhomie and seeing me do it.
But yeah, that relationship, itdefinitely felt like a drug.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Because one more one.
You seem more interested to seehow she's doing versus the
other.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Um, yeah, sort of, but like at the same time it's
like there's a lot of un,there's a lot of things that I
didn't get to like with her, orthere's there there layers of
her that I didn't get to theother girl.
I know every nook and cranny ofthis woman.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You know I'm saying so, you saying there's still
opportunity to work on.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's not necessarily opportunity, it just was like a
I don't know man.
It's just like a damn near likeI was like a kid in a candy
store with her, but the otherone I knew the business from the
ground up.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Does that make sense?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
got you.
Yeah, so the ups and downs ofthe business, that is, but in
that one I'm not even payingattention to what's what,
anything that deals with thisplace.
It's just like oh, I like candy, candy's here, oh damn, you
know.
And how I was being treated.
First of all, I have to say,women that treat a man, it's
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only a certain, it's only acertain type of women out there
that will treat a man like aking bro, just make you feel
like intentionally, like want todo, like wakes up, wants to be
this type of person.
She just had a whole bunch ofother shit going on, but that's
why I gave her leniency andagain, like there were variables
(38:38):
within certain things.
Yeah, yeah.
So it wasn't like I just likedher more, it just was.
I was really enjoying that timeand being like praised, like
you walk in a room, you justfeel like you know let me cook
you something.
Let me give you a massage.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let me, let me let me , oh, yeah, it's just yeah, yeah
, right I mean, yeah, that'sgreat yeah I mean, that's true.
You know, I've never had that Ididn't have.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
It was a fairy tale.
Before I saw it, I'm like, no,that is out there.
That is really really out there.
So I can see the desire to wantyeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Because you feel them wanting to be with you and want
to see you happy and want tosee you successful.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I feel extremely seen as something that I didn't have
.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I mean shout out to everyone I've been with but like
it was never like that before,I never experienced that before.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I never experienced that before.
To be on that level.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
If somebody's willing to cook for you, that's
something, but that seems like acompletely different level.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That level was crazy.
I never experienced that shit.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think that's just like not to be on my Red Pill
stuff, but that's like more youget, the more independent route
of women, especially black women, how they grow up, and so I
don't really blame them forgoing like, hey, I can do
(40:09):
without a man.
But you also lose a lot ofsubmissiveness in that yeah,
yeah yeah, so you, so you ain'treally gonna see that, because
now it's like I ain't doing thatfor you exactly.
(40:30):
Yeah, yeah, and think I do alot of that too In my current
relationship.
If I saw a lot of dishes in thesink, I'm going to wash it.
You're right If there's a thingthat I see that like hey, how
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old is that?
Iron.
You know, yeah, the iron islike old.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I can get you a new one.
Yeah yeah, so it's like I do alot of that.
I mean, I don't want to speakfor every single man, but they
had an opportunity to see wherethe thing that needs to be fixed
in the house or something, andI was like we do that too.
That's why I was telling myrelationship was like I want I
submit to you as you submit tome.
I want to see you happy, yeah,so I'm going to try to do the
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thing that makes you happy, evensometimes if it's a detriment
to myself.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I do it for the smile , yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I do for the gratefulness of it.
Now you can tell me.
But there's another thing offeeling it like yeah, I
appreciate it, like, yeah, like,but there's a difference
between that and you say I can'tbelieve you did this for me
exactly, and that's why I stuckmy ass around how could I even
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pay you back for this thing?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
that's why I had to learn that.
How could I even pay you backfor this thing?
That's why I had to learn thatshit I'm like damn.
When you don't have, whenyou're in lack thereof, you
don't really know the potentialof what things can be, for
example, like what you just said.
There's a girl that I was withthat, where she'll be like I
said I'm sorry.
There's a girl that I was withthat where she'll be like I said
I'm sorry.
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And then there's another one whowill give me a whole not saying
I need this, but like a wholethought out paragraph, no, no,
no conversation leading to it towhere I'm like my feelings are
hurt, or you know me me sayingbut you didn't even say sorry or
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that, with none of that, andthere's a girl who actually just
like lay that shit all out.
so, yeah, like some people arejust more intentional and I do
feel like I don't know how it'slike this, but I feel like there
isn't.
Maybe it's like this on bothsides, but I feel like there's a
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shortage of women teachingGirls how to be, how to treat a
man and like be like a wife.
You know, you're like a womancan teach a woman how to be a
woman.
A man could teach a man how tobe a man, but not necessarily
like a wife.
You know, yeah, like a womancan teach a woman how to be a
woman, a man could teach a manhow to be a man, but not
necessarily like a husband.
You know, I'm saying so and Inoticed that and which is why I
like it's a lot of cases, justlike what you just said, how you
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don't even feel, seen you, youdon't remember.
You know I'm saying like,feeling like I'm, I know for a
fact, I'm seen here, and I feellike that that has a lot to do
with women raising women, yeah,so that is the thing, right?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
yeah, so I I totally agree, like I think the I don't
know.
I'm not a woman, so I don'tknow where the lack of guidance
comes from.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, I thought about it.
It's got to be the only thing.
Because they can't learn thatfrom a man.
They can give suggestions I cansuggest to Kaya or my daughter,
I can suggest to her what itfeels like being a man and what
I like, what makes me happy froma woman or a wife.
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But they need to see that, theyliterally need to, like see
that shit happen.
It's like it's like reading abook on being a man.
You gotta, you gotta see thatshit.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
You know, or experience certain things that
let you know, like, how to beyou know yeah right, like I was
even telling my sister, I waslike, if you, if you like that,
because she was talking aboutthis a while ago, she's talking
about a man that she liked atthe time.
I was like, what have you didfor him?
I was like I can't do anythingfor him, but showing
consideration goes a long way.
If he likes to smoke weed, justgive him a, a nice asterisk
(44:53):
mm-hmm, that beat us bro yeah,give a nice one like hey, I saw
this, I was thinking about you.
Or you don't have to say I sawthis, you would like hey, you
was on my mind, I was, you know,you got.
You got a lot of things, mm-hmm, but at least want to.
I know you like to smoke, so Ijust wanted to get you an
ashtray.
Or you're like hey, I got you abottle, I know this is your
(45:17):
favorite you're just on my mindand I want to give this to you
that's my whole week right thereexactly that goes a long way.
That didn't cost that much foryou to do, just saying hey, I'm
thinking about you, I love you.
Potentially, if you're on thatlevel, here's this thing for you
to do just saying hey, I'mthinking about you, I love you.
Potentially, if you're on thatlevel, um, here's this thing for
you.
Yeah, it's, it's thethoughtfulness yeah it's
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sometimes even thoughtfulness.
It was hey, hey, I don't haveany money, I would love to do
something for you, or if I andokay, it's long distance hey,
you just was on my mind.
I hope you have a great day.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I wish I could see you yeah, no, that's that I
definitely put a lot of thoughtinto um women that I'm either
dating or pursuing a lot ofthought, like down to the point
of if I'm speaking to a womanand like learning her, like I
have a file or folder like onher, like her favorite color
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place she wants to go and thisand that, so when that type of
stuff is reciprocated, first ofall I'm amazed cause I didn't
know there are other people outthere like that, or I I didn't.
I haven't experienced a lot ofpeople that are like that.
So, um, no, that that a lot ofpeople that are like that, so,
um, no, that.
That that is something though,that that effort of putting it
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in, um, or putting putting ineffort, um.
I still remember, like giftsthat were given to me from
previous women, like it'sbirthday or christmas or
whatever, and you know, onewould get me clothes and then
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another one would get me anotebook, because they knew that
I like to write music and it'sjust like that shit was two
dollars, yeah, and that shitlike like really, oh damn, yeah,
my shit died, but yeah, itreally.
It really we still going.
(47:20):
Yeah, I mean, we can keep going.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's just like do it with the audio Okay, yeah, yeah,
yeah, but Sorry, I should turnit off.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, you might as well just turn it off.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
But no, that's actually pretty, pretty dope
though, Like it's literally thelittle things Mm-hmm, and it's
the stuff I can't and that'swhat I.
That's what I want to.
I was like I want to make therelationship work.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's just that it don't feel.
You know it doesn't feel likeI'm equally yoked in it.
Yeah, and that's.
You know my battle.
Yeah, yeah, that's my personalbattle.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I gotta maybe properly communicate that um
because, it's like I want to getto that next thing, but here's
where it's at for me, yeah, andbecause I feel like there is
better yeah, yeah, that, um,that's one thing that I
appreciate from thatrelationship that I was talking
(48:23):
about, the most recent, the mostrecent one is that it happened
like I can actually see howsomething can I can actually.
I got to experience arelationship where, even though
she was definitely fuckingtripping, but like I don't have
(48:44):
that feeling that like I'm doingall this or like you know, I'm
not seeing or I'm not um, thisand that and it's, it's.
It's it's like you know, I'mnot seen or I'm not this, and
that it's just.
It's like you said, like anequally yoked thing.
That shit is special, that shitis like it's got to be rare.
I mean, clearly, I feel likethere's a lot of men who say
(49:08):
this, exactly what you said,which is why it's a thing of
sometimes, when men talk aboutdifferent.
It's a thing of sometimes, whenmen talk about different, um,
different, uh, cultures,cultural backgrounds of women,
and they'd be like you know, youknow these type of women, they
know how to treat that man right, and because there's a lack
thereof, so it's a veryinteresting, very interesting
(49:29):
concept, um, but I am very happythat I was able to experience
that shit because now you knowwhat to really look for.
Now you know what actually youdon't have to make the excuse of
like this is not real.
It's definitely real, it'sdefinitely out there.
It's just like you gotta findthat person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So that sucks yeah, sucks yeah.
And you know, and there's a lotof wives that I see, are doing
their odor mm-hmm.
But why is that?
See, do it right, mm-hmm?
Like that's kind of what I'mchasing, you know.
Like that's, that's where youknow.
I want to be here totheoretically not train, but to
see you be the, the wife that Iwant to want to see, and I'm not
saying I'm asking for a lot,but I want you got to meet me
(50:23):
somewhere.
Yeah, you gotta be in your thisin your own way I gotta feel
that, like hey, you know whatthere's um.
In your own way.
I gotta feel that, like hey,you know what there's um,
there's a, there's a step uplevel, and she's actually doing
that, whether she can or not.
Maybe it just ain't gonna mesh.
But yeah yeah, so it's justyeah, it's, it's, it's.
(50:44):
Relationships are challenging um, because I also see some
people's relationship and I'mlike I'm glad I'm not in that
yeah yeah, yeah, that's notgonna really work for me, and I
wouldn't be surprised if hecheating yeah yeah, it's like
because there's.
Yeah, I was like, but then shemay be doing a lot of things,
right?
Right or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
(51:04):
But I was like, yeah, thatrelationship ain't gonna work
for me because I put a lot intomine and I want to feel that
same way it's been brought toyou.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, and that's kind of where I'm at with it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, no, that is a fact.
Yeah, there are actually peopleout there that will do that.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I still remember getting in thecar with a girl and I didn't
have a flower for a rose.
And then she gave me one when Igot in the car and that shit
(51:42):
just made my heart melt.
I'm like no way, you know,there's no way.
They out there, though they outthere, though they out there.
Hopefully I can, you know,experience something you know.
That makes me feel kind of likethat feeling that I had.
(52:04):
That's definitely something, butI'm always like 50-50 on just I
don't know, bro, Sometimes mosttimes I know my soul wants a
wife, like I told you, likeevery time when shit gets quiet,
there's no emotion, I'm notgoing out and all this, and then
it's just like silent.
I'm like damn.
I could really like, I want tolike love somebody you know, and
(52:27):
then the other 50% is shit.
And the other 50% is shit.
Or I could just keep coming upand just keep raising my status
and success level and get betterand better at being by myself
and I just might haverelationships that might last
four months, a couple of years,this, that and I don't know.
(52:54):
Go about my life like that.
I just like love differentpeople at different times.
So I'm always like like 50-50on it.
So yeah, I get it, though.
Then the Bible is tellingniggas with like hella wives and
shit.
Where are we supposed to bedoing for?
Speaker 1 (53:14):
real, I don't know, yeah, but who's to say, that's
fulfilling too?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
it's right, right.
Yeah, a real love is definitelymore fulfilling than just like
that surface level.
Your ego is being stroked andyou know you got a couple girls
or whatever.
Or, like I said, the differencebetween the the first girl we
(53:42):
were talking about and then thelong-term relationship I was in,
it's just like, though the longone had way more ups and downs,
left, right, diagonals.
It felt real.
It was actually real.
That's different.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I wonder why polygamy is illegal.
Why is it illegal though?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
That makes me feel like we're supposed to be doing
it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
I can understand it, frowned upon, but illegal
illegal though.
That makes me feel like we'resupposed to be doing it.
You know what I'm saying.
I can understand it frownedupon, but illegal is weird to me
.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
That doesn't make sense.
Why would it be illegal?
I'm just thinking like moneywise.
The man would be even morefucked over For real.
Which is like good for theeconomy.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
You know, I just don't understand that.
It don't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
That's something to think about.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
But I think we did it .
Well, this is two for theculture.
We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Alright.
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