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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we are
back with another episode two
for the culture.
Yes, I'm Justin Devante, I'mStephen Ray.
Yes, sir, and we are back.
How you feeling, man?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm feeling good man,
feeling good, it's a good day.
Monday started the week.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Mm-hmm, exactly.
No, it's uh.
I had a good weekend.
What about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Uh, weekend, yeah I.
What about yourself?
We can?
Yeah, I don't even rememberwhat I did for real.
Well, all yesterday it wasreally just kind of preparing
for the interview.
I had today.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I got you, everything
went well.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, everything went
well.
Yeah, that was probably one ofthe most confident interviews
I've had in a while.
You know, hopefully I get it soI can actually be like actually
, coincide with what I just saidbecause otherwise what the
people that's interviewing me islike fucking sucks no, but it's
(01:01):
.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean it's in your
field.
I mean there's not too many.
I'd be surprised if you knowthere'll be fools to go over
somebody else when you have theresume you do in terms of the
social media world, yeah hedefinitely asked me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
He was like you know,
we get a lot of people you know
for these interviews and youknow some of them kind of say
the same thing.
So what sets you apart?
And I was like you're not goingto get another one of me.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You said that yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I did, and he did not
ask me for my Instagram.
It kind of scared me.
Okay, yeah, I was like youdon't even know, it just felt
like you wanted to flex and thenthey don't even give a fuck
about your flex.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah, exactly,
it's like all right yeah yeah,
but I mean hopefully they cantake their egos aside and be
like all right, no, he actuallyis getting higher, but I would
have just showed him straight upyeah, no I just expected like
yeah, oh, so what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
but they didn't have
either way.
Uh, it was still a greatinterview so I'm really happy
about it.
I was I was extremely prepared,like I uh over the past week
going over stuff to where Iprinted a bunch of stuff out for
like outline.
I didn't even look at it once,so yeah it went really well.
I'm pretty happy about it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, well, that's
good.
I'm glad you know I always feelgood, regardless of if I didn't
land something or or whatever ifI did everything I could right,
you know what I mean yeah, so Ialways feel good and be like,
all right, I did everything Icould.
Right, you know what I mean.
Yeah, so I always feel good butlike, all right, I did
everything I could.
They just didn't choose me andthey were foolish on their part
because I know what I bring tothe table.
Yeah, and sorry for their loss,and kind of move on yeah.
(02:34):
No.
I agree, I agree.
How was yours, how was your?
weekend.
I had a a good time.
Of course, I work over theweekend.
I don't think I have any gooddriving stories this weekend,
but I have stories in general.
What's around them.
I'm just saying life story, likejust driving Uber.
(02:57):
I have a million.
I want to get to a point towhere I at least like tell a
story.
We tell a story from our past,like maybe ending an episode
tell a story.
Or we tell a story from ourpast like maybe ending an
episode don't got to be this one, because we got actually a lot
to get to.
But um, what?
What happened?
Um, we first started off.
We just went to my barber about40 minutes away and she met my
barber for the first time, whichwas cool oh, okay yeah, yeah,
(03:18):
because I've been going to thatsame barber since college.
Yeah, yeah, so we've had arelationship since then and
always went to him.
I don't, I don't think.
Maybe during the pandemicsomebody else cut my hair, but
for the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So cordero's a man oh
shit, yeah, no, I was thinking.
What was I thinking about?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
no, I just had a
flashback I mean cordero did cut
our hair for a long time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
And I went to a couple.
You met a previous barber thatI used to go to, but now you
know he's progressed, he's gothis own shop and I've been going
to him.
So she met him and it was cool.
It was a cool experience there.
Yeah.
Then we just went to Prince's.
(04:05):
Hot Chicken.
It's a hot chicken spot.
It's an OG, the original hotchicken, start of the whole hot
chicken In.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Nashville no, in
general.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Prince's Hot Chicken is theone that started it all, and so
now you've got places likeDave's Hot Chicken and other
places like that, so we wentthere.
It was cool, just had somethingreal quick like dave's hot
chicken and other places likethat.
So we went there.
It was cool, um, just hadsomething real quick I'm
choosing to move for hot food um, so we went there, charged the
(04:35):
cars, we went to like tj maxxreal quick because you know they
have charging stations spreadout through the cities and they
typically have it aroundshopping centers like you know,
the one I go to.
The kroger one I.
I go to the.
Kroger one, I also go to theone that's next to the target
yeah, you know countrywideboycott of Target yeah, there is
there is the do have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Who's that?
The dude?
Who's?
Advocating for the I keepseeing him.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He's a bishop or a
preacher out of Atlanta, I can't
remember exactly his name atleast that's the one that is
face fronting of the boycott nah, I think he initiated, but I
don't know that for a fact wasit because they were supposed to
give funding, or something?
it was more of a DEI and they'redoing targeting boycotts so
(05:27):
they're choosing they're doing,since it's like lent, which is
like fasting and ramadan andthings like that, there's like,
hey, let's do a 40-day fast,avoid uh of target, yeah, yeah.
So you know, all black peopleare not supposed to be shopping
at target for 40 days, does?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
this include women at
Target for 40 days.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Does this include?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
women, all black
people.
I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, even you.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I mean, I don't even
go to Target.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm being funny
because you're biracial.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I got that, I
got that.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Maybe it didn't
matter.
You know you have white right.
That's too funny.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
inserts picture of my
father yeah so but yeah, so
it's about DEI.
But the reason why Iparticipate is not that I'm a
firm believer in DEI, and I'lljust be more candid.
What I actually mean by that isthat I don't like grouping
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black people into a pool andtalk about diversity.
I want our own thing.
So, for example, affirmative,action I don't.
I'm sure you heard about frontof action or even heard the name
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So people, what happens tends tohappen is black people are the
face of, of things that actuallywe are not even the majority of
(06:54):
, if that makes sense right it'severything, yeah, yeah, so so
and I'm gonna break that downbecause it, um, it may not make
sense.
So affirmative action is moreof like you hire well DEI.
It's pretty much like youhiring people to include certain
groups, right, so you canactually get them involved in
(07:17):
the company to make decisions.
So you're including more peoplein the decision-making process
and affirmative action issimilar in that way, but the
people who benefit the most offof affirmative action is white
women, because they are aminority group, because men are
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dominant decision-makers and dothe hiring process.
So people don't know thatthough, but nonetheless, if you
talk about affirmative action,people would assume somebody
black people benefit the mostfrom Right.
So if you're going to give usour own thing, then I want our
own thing and us be the face ofit.
(08:00):
I don't want to be a face ofsomething that we don't benefit
the most from, or benefit evenyou know, semi, semi the most
you know what I mean I want acomplete whole thing, so that's
why.
But target actually had a blackinitiative and they removed that
as long, as well as a deipolicy, if I make any sense a
(08:22):
black initiative, what you mean?
Like, like.
So they was like hey, we'reactually going to help make an
initiative specifically forblack people right, and with
removing DEI, they also removedthe initiative as well along
with it uh-huh so that's why Ibelieve in the, in the target
fast or boycott.
(08:43):
Yeah, it's because they did dothat.
So I bet now, now the otherpeople who removed the I've,
maybe they didn't have a blackcondition.
Oh, I need to do moreinformation, more research.
I'm not well informed at all,but that one I did look into,
yeah.
So I was like, okay, I'm withthis for sure that that makes
sense, yeah then, I knew thatsomething was removed.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So yeah, that yeah
definitely makes.
Yeah that I knew that somethingwas removed, um, so yeah, that
yeah, definitely makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, because because
you know they talk about
anything they talk and they wantto put us a face up in front of
we.
Just you know it's alsoincluding other groups of people
and I'm like, how about we allget our separate own thing?
So now they say black and brown, so they're saying black people
and mexican people or hispanic.
I'm like, okay, we all havedifferent goals.
(09:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, our my ablack need is not a mexican need
we have different rights, yeah,yeah.
So why are you grouping us inthe same one like?
Even dei is like all right lg.
Lgbtq is india, that's you know.
It may encompass some of us,but that's separate from a black
initiative.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, what I mean
.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So, so, and that's
kind of where I land in it, yeah
.
But, yeah so, but back to backto my weekend.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So we went to Target.
Yeah, no, I was talking aboutcharging stations and I was.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I would just no, I
was talking about charging
stations and I was like yeah, sowe charged the car.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I would just bring it
all around because I was just
going all over the place.
So we were talking aboutcharging stations and so,
charged, the car, went to shop alittle bit and then we went to
change to get.
I'm missing.
Oh yeah, I'm lying, I'm missinga part.
We also went to this placecalled the Alice, I believe, and
(10:25):
that was super dope.
If you walk into the Alice,it's in Germantown, it's like a
bunch of candles there.
But also off in the section youcan either make candles or you
can also make cologne slashperfume.
So we all so my girlfriend setup the appointment.
I believe she paid for it itwas like $65 per person and
(10:53):
extra $10 for whatever fee.
And so we got like maybe around15 smells.
So it's like essential oils.
So one of them is going to belavender, one of them is going
it's 15 smells of.
Them is going to be 15 smellsof different.
So lavender is one, black seamoss is one and, you know,
ginger.
Just different essential oils.
(11:13):
So you smell it, you get itlike a table.
You dip the little paper tab inthe oil, you smell it.
If you like it, you put it onthis left side, or this right
side, that or, excuse me, thisleft side that you like, and
then, if you don't like it, youput on the the don't side okay
so now you're kind of narrowingthe flavors, so you can either
(11:34):
put one complete flavor in abottle or you can put two
flavors in a bottle can you putmore than two?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
no, okay.
So they're like, yeah, y'allain't gonna fuck this up exactly
.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, I think you may
be doing too much if you put
yeah three in there.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah and with
the uh perfume versus cologne.
Are there any of thoseselections that are the same on
both sides?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
uh, so, oh, so, yeah,
I'm just saying, I'm just
saying perfume and cologne, justto say it's boy and girl,
really Right, yeah, yeah, weboth get the same essential oils
.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha,
gotcha, gotcha, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, so yeah, but
some are more like birthday cake
, like that's not essential oilbut that's what it reminds you
of when you smell it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, and that
obviously wouldn't be for a man
like rose.
Petals was one oh, okay yeah,yeah, and he smelled.
It smelled good, but it's likeI'm not gonna wear that and
maybe you could find a blendthat's masculine with it but, um
, so I narrowed down my two.
It's like I'm butchering this.
It's like you like tonic,ginger and black moss.
(12:41):
Oral moss was one of the twothat I put in my cologne and
then you pour the rest of itwith alcohol, but you put it.
So I narrowed it down.
I had several that I liked andthen I put two of the tabs
together and smelled themtogether.
But they are.
This smells good okay and thenso she made something else.
She, I think we had one of thesame um, and she had her own
(13:07):
cologne and that was a bigbottle.
Uh, yeah, yeah so, so you alsopaid.
So mine I paid 30 extra perounce or so.
So, like every, yeah, so youcan buy the one ounce which is
free with the thank well, youpay for the experience.
It's not free, but you don'thave to.
It's not free, but you don'thave to, it's not an upcharge.
Or you can buy mine, which Ireally like, for $30 extra.
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And I was like, well, I mightas well get the big bottle
because it's going to last melong and that scent lasts a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh, for real.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yes, like I can still
smell it in my clothes.
Yeah, which, which is great,because that cologne bottle in
there that I have, I spray it.
It's not going to last long atall, but that one you may be
able to wash your shit and stillsmell it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Damn yeah.
So and what are you comparingit to?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What do?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
you mean the other
cologne that you have.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Is it like some fancy
cologne the one that I made,
the other one like.
It's like Givenchy, like orSavage Dior type shit uh oh no,
I was asking like what was it?
What did I name it?
Or what do you?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
mean not yours, I'm
saying the other one.
You were comparing it to thenormal one that goes away fast
so what's your question?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
again, I'm sorry, so
there's two there's two Some
shit I bought at Marshalls.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Oh, okay, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
All right yeah yeah
yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I'm sure
it has a French name to it.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Okay, okay, okay, but
yeah, you can call it John for
all.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I know, you know,
john.
Exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah.
All right, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I was just thinking
like damn like damn.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't know if the
cologne that I used to get would
actually uh be there for like avery, very long time.
Oh, I've had good colognes, um,yeah, yeah, and some will last
a minute, but I feel like thisis has last.
Um, that scent has last very,very strongly.
I think I could put it up withthe best and it'll, it'll match
it, so you're gonna're going tobe wearing this for a while,
yeah, I like it, and then, yeah,so I can also, they also put a
(15:18):
card in there and you can goback and they'll show you the
two that you put and you getthis like $10 off.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh, to do it again.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Or not.
No, just to you.
Don't have to go through thewhole experience for them to
make it.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and it's pretty quick.
It comes back in.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I haven't did it so I
wouldn't be able to tell you.
But it doesn't take.
Once you treat your tooth youput two of them in a bottle.
It's like a chemistry set.
Put two of them in there,measure in the liter, pour the
rest of it with alcohol and youstir it for a minute like yeah,
okay, pour it in the whole thing.
So it's not like very long totake your cologne.
You could do it within a coupleminutes okay, for real yeah,
yeah, but it's the experiencebecause they give you.
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Like you know they start you offwith like a, like a little
bite-sized thing, like I forgotwhat you call them, but it was
pretty cool and they talk to youabout where the how the name
came about, with where it'scalled also called like golden
slipper or something like thatwhere that comes about, and you
know you take your time throughthe whole process so but dude
(16:23):
was really cool.
Um, and it was.
I was actually very shocked atthe experience because I I was
like I think I'm gonna have anokay time, yeah, yeah, but it
was a great experience.
I would extremely recommend itfor anybody, and that's a lot
coming for me uh, and it wasmostly uh.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Was it like a lot of
couples there?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
uh, no, no, we got,
we got lucky, because my uh, my
girlfriend actually booked it onthe wrong day.
She booked it for march 18thand usually there's like six
people there is what they say,but there was nobody there oh,
okay, so it was just y'all so wewas able to rebook it and do
the experience for just us two.
Okay, yeah, now those peoplethat came in the shop now but
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they wasn't with us, yeah, theywas looking at candles because
the the shop the front facing isall candles.
You wouldn't be able to reallytell it's called if they didn't
tell you all right.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, you showed me a
photo of it I I didn't see like
where you would be at or like,yeah so.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So then from there we
left.
Uh, we went to this placecalled mother's room, which I
frequent fairly often becauseit's not far from here and
they're really cool, you know,they're, they're type of place
that you know, if you frequentthere or if you're cool, they'll
give you free drinks, really,yeah.
Yeah.
So they gave me a free shot,but I still tipped them.
Well, you know, uh-huh, so Ionly paid for my espresso
(17:41):
martini oh, okay and, but Istill gave him like 40 bucks.
Okay, yeah, and he kept thetotal what's all in the espresso
martini it's like.
It's like a coffee liquor.
I couldn't even tell you it'showever, you want to make it
really.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
think I had that one time it's
cool.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's just like a
coffee liqueur.
And then that's when we chargedthe car after that.
And then we went to change andwent to a place called Church
and Union.
I like the ambiance there.
It was very busy.
I got the lamb burger and fries.
I really enjoyed mine, mine.
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I would go back for that.
They also had this shrimp withlike this type of creole sauce.
It's not creole sauce, but I'mjust saying it from the the look
of it and there's under like abrie show bread.
Yeah, brioche, thank you, andI'm saying yeah, and I think
I've even saying that it may benot even been a brioche bread,
(18:39):
but I don't know if I'm sayingit right.
Yeah, yeah, but that soundsright, yeah yeah, we can tell
where we come from.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah yeah but
uh, but yeah, so but that was
hitting like yeah, yeah, anywayand then you cut it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's like it really
like I could just eat the bread
with the sauce for real yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, andthat was fire.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Usually those are the
best burgers for real.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, but the reason
I'm not a purchase a steak at a
restaurant person.
Uh-huh.
I think that the steaks atrestaurants maybe if it's a
steakhouse it may be different,but steaks at restaurants is
like you're just getting salt,and pepper and butter on a steak
and whatever the side is, it'slike why would I pay for this
(19:24):
when I can do it at home andit's so ridiculously easy?
Yeah, so it was just really likesalt and pepper on a steak and
it was just $60.
I mean, it was $60.
Like why would I buy this again?
So I was mad.
I was glad that I didn't getthat, but it just wasn't
enjoyable on my girlfriend'sside and I was like, yeah, I
don't.
If you're not a steakrestaurant, I'm really not going
(19:45):
there and I don't even like tobuy high steaks like that yeah,
yeah, so have you ever had, uh,wagyu yeah, they had that on the
menu, but I think that's.
That sounds overhyped to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ihaven't eaten steak in a very,
very long time.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, um yeah, yeah,
yeah I haven't had in a long
time, but I get what you'resaying too.
If you get your like variety ifyou like steak.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I like the
thing about it.
My girlfriend's not likeadventurous like she likes to
get what she likes, type ofthing.
And I saw stuff that if she, ifshe, would have got the lamb
burger, I would have gotsomething different and it would
have been something I probablyhaven't had before, like I want
to try to recreate it at home,type of experience.
So that's kind of where I landwith stuff like that I don't be
(20:32):
doing well doing that yeah, butit's all about trying.
I, I just I'm the same way.
I used to get like chickentenders and fries everywhere I
went.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, I'm not saying
that, I'm saying like actually
stepping out every time usuallymaybe not in the past couple
years, but I had a run of anytime I stepped outside of what I
usually get, I would be madlike, yeah, every time I'm just
like, bro, this don't.
It just doesn't even taste well, I'm not gonna get this again.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I just spent my money
on this yeah, I'm gonna stop at
mcdonald's before we get homeand it may very well be that,
but I tried something yeah itwasn't for me and I just I spent
for the experience and I knownot to get it again yeah, yeah
but also.
I look at it and I think I'mcoaching her to get a little bit
(21:25):
better on it, but she doesn'tlike to share, like, not in a
bad way, and I'm saying it soyou eat off her plate.
I like to trade items.
I don't want us to get lambchops together.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Oh facts.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, I don't like
getting the same menu item as my
date or my girlfriend.
I've never liked that ever.
So, if you got something Iwanted, I'm like damn, I wanted
that.
But now I get somethingseparate, because now I at least
want to try it and see if Ilike it, and you try mine, see
if you like yours.
So we can, we can make this ourplace oh yeah yeah, and so so I
(22:02):
will at least want to experiencelike all right, let me try to
put that a little bit on myplate and I put a little bit on
yours and see how you like itall right I enjoy that part of
it yeah, I definitely don't.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's awkward.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's awkward and I
don't even break it down to
dating.
I would do that with a friend.
You're like all right, rightyeah, we got the same thing no,
I'm just saying in tryingsomething different, yeah, like,
all right, let me get thatpiece of pizza wing and I'll
trade you a piece of somethingelse oh right right right yeah,
yeah, or whatever all right, Icould see that, yeah, especially
if I'm eating like right infront of you.
(22:34):
Yeah, exactly, try this and Itry yours and, like brad, your
is banging more than mine orvice versa, like damn, I'm glad
I didn't get that, or damn Ididn't yeah, yeah.
So, um, but overall I it will.
You know, I think, theexperience I'm not going to give
it 10 out of 10, but it was ahigh like overall day experience
(22:55):
it was a point two huh, 8.2 outof two, I thought you said a
point two.
It's like damn it was reallygood.
I really enjoyed it.
There's gonna be better, betterdays, I'm sure, but um yeah I
the the steak at hers kind ofbrought it down a little bit for
me, but we definitely you did?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
you try her steak?
Yeah, it was trash oh well, andthe mashed potatoes was trash
how can mashed potatoes be trash?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
it was just wasn't
seasoned, wasn't salt on that?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
it was just mashed
potatoes.
Spice it up.
Uh no, they don't.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
They didn't even have
salt and pepper on the uh table
.
What they like to say, denny'sbro, that's a regular restaurant
yeah, it was fairly.
It was slightly above average.
It's downtown nashville yeah,usually, so my meal was 100 and
it was uh, it was like a littleover close to 200.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
usually like the only
thing that changes is the
container.
I said a little over close to200.
Usually like the only thingthat changes is the container.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I said a little over
a little under.
It was like yeah, all togetherwith tip was like 180.
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.
Okay.
I would have just definitelyassumed that there was salt and
pepper there.
Maybe not enough glass?
No, it should have been saltand pepper there.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Because I was
thinking like, yeah, at this
point we had a good day.
I Because I was thinking like,yeah at this, but at this point
we had a good day.
I was like, hey, you want a hotdog or something on the street.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, she's like no, I'm cool.
Yeah, I would definitely get ahot dog or something if I was
her.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I haven't experienced
the food trucks out here.
I haven't really done a lot offood trucking before.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, there's a bunch
of them, so a bunch of them so,
oh yeah, so you got a favoriteone a food truck.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Uh, I I'm a gyro guy,
so I'm gonna get a job, okay.
So there's one place I go forjob, but they don't.
It's not like they make itbetter than the restaurant I go
to, but if it's late night I'llgo there.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, yeah okay yeah,
yeah that makes sense so, uh,
let's see what we got here today.
I'm assuming you saw over theinternet the whole thing that
Stephen A Smith was goingthrough.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Was getting berated
by LeBron James.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, how long was
he standing there, though it
seemed like it was like fiveseconds.
Lebron James yeah, I mean, howlong was he standing there,
though it seemed like it waslike five seconds.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
LeBron James.
Yeah, I mean.
Okay, let me put it in anotherway.
You're from Memphis, Right?
Haven't you heard the term?
You trying to go 10 seconds?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I've witnessed it a
time or two.
You heard the term right yes,of course.
Yeah, 10 seconds is a while.
I've witnessed it a time or two.
You heard the term right 10seconds is a while exactly,
exactly.
I did not think about it likethat.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
That's hilarious so
you don't need much you don't
need a whole conversation thatneeds to be had.
Definitely, if you're trying tocheck somebody for what they're
saying, keep my son's name.
Yeah, exactly, that didn't takelong, yeah, but yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And that's exactly
what happened.
What all did he say about hisson?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
He was just giving
the stats and telling his he
wasn't playing well.
That's it, or it was just itwasn't like he was going in like
his son ain't shit.
He don't deserve to be in theNBA.
He's doing well in G League andhis performance is lackluster.
Yeah, but it's true.
Yeah, he did it respectfully,for real.
(26:26):
Oh.
Yeah, but he's an NBA player andhe's a draw, so you can't
evaluate his performance soLeBron just tried to bully him
out of his opinion pretty much,yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I don't knowLeBron and Stephen A's
relationship, but it doesn'tsound like a good one.
(26:48):
Yeah, so he, lebron, may feellike you attacking my son
because of who I am uh am yeah,so he may.
He may have a lot of opinionsbut, he would just tell the
stats and how he didn't do.
Well, he didn't make any pointsin the 15 minutes that he
played in the game or whatever,and from what I understand,
(27:10):
steven a was getting checkedfrom it from others like hey,
how you not talking about hisson?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
everybody's clearly
avoiding his play, uh-huh yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So he just kind of
stepped up and just did his job
basically right, but I I willdefend LeBron James is you're
also not discussing a lot ofpeople's play who got who
doesn't get a lot of minuteseither?
It's not like you're going todiscuss everybody who gets 20
minutes or under's performance.
You're really not going to dothat.
You're really going to kind ofdelegate it to stars or people
(27:45):
who aren't there?
But at the same time, he is apart of the LA franchise and if
you're not playing well, you'renot playing well.
But I think that LeBron, thatis a big franchise, huh.
That is a big franchise, but Ithink that everybody clapped for
him when they allowed LeBronJames and Bronny James to play
(28:06):
together on their debut.
Nobody was like bro, he didn'tdeserve it.
Even though he didn't, I wasalways.
The only time I was reallycritical about Bronny James is
that, if we're being real, hedidn't deserve to be drafted.
His stats didn't deserve that.
For real.
For real, absolutely not.
(28:26):
And you are taking up a spot toa person in need who actually
deserves it, Like you're amillionaire Brian.
He's legitimately a millionaire, he could have stayed in
college and got better, butyou're actually taking up a
roster spot for somebody whoactually can need it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
How long was he in
college?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
One year, yeah,
exactly.
And even being drafted, thatcould have been somebody who
could have worked for thatposition, somebody who was
clearly gonna be less fortunatethan yourself.
And then I also look at it asthat basketball is no longer one
of those to where you can.
You know, you grew up at thelocal park, you know now it's
(29:11):
really a rich person's game.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
It's like whoever who
you know.
It's like whoever you know.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's like you got a
bunch of AAU games you train.
You've got to have a trainer.
Now the travel is expensive.
All this stuff is expensive tobe great at this point to be a
basketball player what a lot ofkids don't have.
So it's going to require a lotof talent at this point for you
to come out of like a poorsituation, not like football
(29:38):
yeah, because there's so muchexpenses around being great that
just the average that can moldyou into that.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, just that
that uh like.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Usually you know poor
people, you know people come
from the gutter and hoop, theyjump.
Yeah, exactly, but now it'sreally not that you go to parks.
There's not a lot of people atparks Now.
They're really at trainingfacilities, they're on AAU teams
.
They put, you know, three tofive hours a day with the
trainer.
It's absolutely insane the workthey have to put in.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I mean, I don't think
I'm in that space to even see
that anymore.
I just, I mean being in highschool, you kind of around.
Well, I was kind of around alot of community centers and
stuff so.
I could actually see the people.
I think basketball in general.
Then again, I'm older so itmight be two things at the same
time, but it does feel likebasketball feels a little
different nowadays because whenI was shit, I was about to say,
(30:42):
when I was growing up, that's,that's.
That feels kind of weird to sayum, but um, yeah, like growing
up, I would see, you know, andone would be a thing, it would
be a thing to know how to likeball, like the, the handles and
(31:03):
the, um, the dunks and all that,like I said, and one was huge
and then a lot of those peoplewere just so goddamn good that
they made it into the nba and itkind of.
I guess that goes along withwhat you were saying about um,
the, the, the difference in umresources a person has which can
make a monster, like on thecourt, um, I do feel that's a
(31:27):
little different.
I don't really see a lot ofthat now but yeah, when I now on
my phone, if I do see abasketball video, it is usually
in a gym with probably people ona team versus, like, the guy at
the court, how it used to be,and that used to be all the time
.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I mean, and now you
see, like Trae Young, how he
meets, Like you'll see him whenthey're babies and how they meet
their favorite NBA player, andnow they're playing against him.
You know what I mean, yeah.
You don't do that because you'rean underprivileged kid.
You do that because you gotmoney and wealth and you can
have the access to these guys.
Yeah, yeah.
So, and you know, there's a lotof brothers, older brothers and
(32:07):
then younger brother comes up.
Yeah, yeah.
Now it's huge when you see alot of like Kenyon Martin Jr or
somebody's junior or somebody'sson, or they're coming
internationally.
Yeah, it's very rare that theunderdog kid from the hood that
doesn't have nothing, that theirmom's life just got cut off.
(32:28):
They play to support theirfamily.
Their family pretty much gotthat at this point.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'm not saying that's
every case but that's the
majority of the cases.
Now, do you see that you knowcoming into the drafts for the?
Do you follow collegebasketball?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Not enough.
It's funny enough.
Sec tournament starts this weekand that's going to be here in.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Nashville.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah,
so that's going to be here in
Nashville oh.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So March Madness will
be Well yes, because it's March
.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So you have the SEC
or the divisional tournaments
happening all around the country, but the SEC tournament
specifically happens here inNashville.
Then after that, then you havethe NCAA tournament which is the
ranked ones.
Go and play each other.
But this is just the division,but SEC is the best.
(33:25):
Basketball teams are part ofthe SEC.
So it's going to be lit.
It's going to be real lit.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I got to go yeah yeah
, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
But also if you get a
ticket, I mean you, if you
spend a day there, there's gonnabe like three or four games
happening like one.
It'll be like I'm just namingteam like Auburn and University
Tennessee at like University toVanderbilt's good this year.
University Tennessee, alabama,auburn when?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
When does it start?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Wednesday Damn,
kentucky, missouri, there's so
many good teams.
They're all ranked Well, maybenot Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
How long does it go
for?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Until Saturday, or
maybe Saturday or Sunday, I
can't remember.
Oh, okay, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, so it'll be lit.
It'll be crazy, that's crazy,but you can just watch them on.
Tv too, but yeah, so it'll begood.
But back to Brian James andLeBron James, yes, or Stevie
Nates.
As a dad, you know, you mayfeel a way you check them.
(34:28):
I feel like Brian James is hisown man, but he's also like 19
years old.
So it's not like he's goingcheck steven a for where you're
gonna check him for playing badit's his performance.
Um, so I'm just kind of in themiddle of it, as like I would.
If I was lebron james, I wouldhave a conversation with steven
a.
I wouldn't just check him forit, because that's not how you
(34:52):
handle situations.
Definitely, if he didn't like,cuss your son out.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, it looks
more like he probably thought
about it, of course, but youknow those situations where you
don't really know how you actuntil you're right there and
then you see the person.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, facts, I think
that's what happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Because it doesn't
really make sense for real.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, but you
could have always reached out to
him beforehand.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Like he probably
thought about it.
He clearly had thought aboutthat already.
He was like no, I ain't goingto do it.
I ain't going to do it.
But then when he seen him, hejust probably was like you know
what, fuck this nigga?
And then he just did all that.
That's probably what happenedtoo.
I can see that.
What's next, you tell me?
(35:40):
I see something about an NYPDofficer.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Was it a woman?
Yes, like a strip club.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
First of all, she
makes over $100,000.
A hundred that, over a hundredthousand a year as a police
officer okay okay, so I don'tcare how expensive a city is.
A hundred thousand years to ahundred thousand, yeah, so you
ain't just living on potatochips oh yeah, no, definitely,
definitely um, the the ones fromwhole foods, and you've been on
(36:13):
the force For seven years700,000 yeah.
So to make so one, I want to beclear that's not right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
If you're a police.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Let's just explain it
for a second.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, so, NYP's
police officer was in.
I'm let's just explain it for asecond Exactly Okay.
Yeah, so NYP's police officerWas in a music video Talking
about or the rapper I forgot therapper's name, but she was on
Stripper Pole Dancing For amusic video and she was pretty
much the only person there.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, she was the
only girl there, she was
highlighted throughout the musicvideo I don't know how much she
paid her.
But you know that you are alsoa representation in and outside
the uniform I mean, she got youknow this to serve and protect,
so she's got the serving partright, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And that's just you know,that's just not what yeah, it
doesn't like I mean that that's.
That says a lot about the, theuniform and the area.
It just doesn't feel quality tome that don't even feel like
you can protect me for realquality to me, that don't even
feel like you can protect me forreal.
(37:37):
If you're doing that, yeah,yeah, yeah, please.
So if you saw your securityguard supposed to secure you
twerking on the gram and killingthat, yeah, boy or girl would
you?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
would you feel like a
lack of protection um?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
So let's take a
muscular man, and he was popping
it on a lotto video, and thatwas supposed to be too.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Boy twerking a Lil
Nas X video Exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
How would you feel?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Honestly, you know
I'm trying to think like okay,
all right, boom, a situationhappened that dude from and then
this guy is supposed to protectme.
I feel like he still couldprotect.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'm sure he could,
yeah, but would that be weird
after no, I'm saying you, yousee this now, because she's
still a police officer, right?
So she's supposed to beprotecting you.
I'm just putting in a differentperspective.
Uh-huh with it.
So you're like bro, you're theguy off the nas x video.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah I think I
mean I was still, I was still.
I don't think a lot of it islost in the moments, because I
feel like you have to be acertain type of person to even
have that on anyway, I'm sayinghe, you know how they do the
splits and bounce.
You talking about the D-Wadesong joint?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
No, I'm just saying
you know how they do the splits
and they like they do the splitsand slide in it and start
bouncing.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And he did that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, I'm just saying
like the full joy.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I would, in the back
of my head, I would hope that
this man has, you know, at leasteven his skills out.
So I'm just saying there's arepresentation that comes with
what you do.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
No, yeah, that's
totally different.
Yeah, I'm saying she's wrongfor that.
I'm not saying she's arepresentation that comes with
what you do.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
No, yeah, that's
totally different.
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I'm saying she's
wrong for that.
I'm not saying she deserves tobe fired, I'm not saying that.
But I'm saying, hey, don't dothat shit.
No more.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, don't do that
shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't do thatshit.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, like hey we
don't have a procedure around
this Right, so so we about theright one though.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, oh God, oh God,
oh God.
Yeah, I mean I feel likethey're cool with people
freelancing and stuff on theside.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You can protect other
people, but don't get me wrong,
she's super bad.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, her body was
very crazy, yeah, yeah, it was
very crazy yeah yeah, there'sother opportunities out there
that she can pursue.
I think, I feel like women likethat are just like glorified in
a police uniform.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But it's not like she
can make more money.
You know what I mean.
It's not like, hey, I'mbeautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
She making more money
.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
No, I'm just saying
as a police officer.
She can't leverage that into abigger quote unquote deal.
You know what I mean if shegoes John Wick.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I feel like that
would be the best thing that
happens, let's say tomorrow.
It's the biggest heist of thecentury and she, just like John
Wick's, everybody.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm just saying her
salary is her salary.
It's not like, hey, I'm takingthis, I got famous now, so y'all
need to pay me more.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
No, no, no, that's
not what I'm saying.
I'm saying replace you.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
We don't need you.
We can replace you withsomebody else that can protect
him, sir, and I'm sure probablybetter.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah but all I'm
saying is, if she goes, uh, uh,
bad boys, five on them, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Think she might get a
little promotion.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Just like shooting
people, shooting people, not
just shooting random people.
But I'm saying like in asituation where shit just goes
bad and we need a savior and sheactually does some savior shit,
you don't get a pay increaseoff of that anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Really.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I don't think so.
I mean, I'm saying I would justassume if somebody is looking
like it's like bad boys orjackie chan or brush hour you
ain't gonna get promoted tosomething else, all right, more
money, yeah, nah, br.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
And who would say she
got that capability?
I was saying, if she did.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
I said, that is her
only chance yeah turning this
whole thing around yeah, as iftomorrow is the biggest heist
and she just goes in oneverybody I believe in her yeah
do you?
Uh, we be texting every now andthen.
I just want to say I don't knowhow you.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Who knows what her
skills are?
Maybe she does well andactually does her job to you
know.
I mean, she's been doing thejob for seven years, so she has
to be doing it well to a certaindegree, I would assume right um
, but I think that's just,that's uh degrading the quality
of the force, because I feellike, if you end, you know
(42:44):
twerking it up half, you knowhalf naked.
It just shows something aboutyour squad.
You know what I mean.
Like y'all just hiring anybodynow you think so.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh well, I guess from
an outside perspective.
Sure I was.
I was more focused, I guess, onher, but um, yeah, I can see
what you're saying on theoutside perspective of the whole
force yeah, yeah, I meanbecause then now they're looking
at the force, like what arey'all gonna do?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
y'all firing her
right they're probably like
pushing on that shit yeah, I'mjust like all right, what are we
doing?
Like we have a job to actuallyprotect people, and that's not
the vibe you're getting when youyou know then, you know half
the situation from making theonly fans account.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, oh, right
, right it's like, yeah, this is
.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
this.
Doesn't look great to what wedo, and for the community, well,
the community is whatever.
But I'm not feeling like, hey,she going to protect me, yeah,
yeah, yeah if something goesdown.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, I can, yeah,
yeah, I mean they still trained.
But I do get what you're sayingabout the quality or the
perception of what we allenvision a police officer sort
of to be.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I mean stuff like
that.
There was just recently a ladywho was a she was a realtor and
she got fired from her job fromtalking about how she wrote down
on like the receipt or whatever.
When it goes to tip, you get notip and I hope trump deports
you uh, yeah, she should befired right, but I'm just saying
(44:22):
she's a representation of her,of her company, inside and
outside as well.
Yeah, so what you do and say isa representation of your
company oh, that what I'mthinking.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Somebody bought the
house and she ain't with her.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Oh no, she was at a
restaurant, right and on the tip
section she said you get zerotip.
It was bad service and I hopetrump deports you oh my god,
yeah, yeah, that's a terribleperson and she and I wouldn't
want that.
Uh, my company, herrepresenting my company like all
right, this is your core values, this is where you have with it
.
Hell, nah, yeah, you and Iwouldn't want that.
My company, her representing mycompany like all right, this is
your core values, this is whereyou at with it, hell no.
(44:59):
You got to go somewhere elsewith it.
You're not needed, and that'swhy I'm saying it's not the same
, but it is similar in the factthat I'm just.
The point is that she's arepresentation inside the
uniform and outside the uniformas well.
And that's just not a properrepresentation of that at all.
I understand, because it feelslike one step from prostitution
(45:24):
for her.
You're throwing money at herand she's stripping and shaking
on the pole.
Yeah, there's multiple ways oflooking at that situation.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
That's a whole other
conversation.
Yeah, there's multiple ways oflooking at that situation.
That's a whole otherconversation.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Speaking of
representation how do you feel
about the representation of DDGright now?
So he made a song about howhe's unable to see his son.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I didn't hear the
song, me neither.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
He's going pretty
hard with that right now.
I understand it.
Oh well, I'm not a publicfigure, right?
I understand what it seems likehe's trying to do.
Yeah, how I look at it is ifyou're not letting me see my son
privately, then your publicrepresentation matters.
So now everybody's going to seethis in order for me to see my
(46:21):
son, because everybody's goingto be looking at you funny, and
then it's going to force you tomake a better decision, right?
So I understand that.
Now I want your point one.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I, you know, I always
lead with.
I never know these people, so Inever know the full story of
everything I said to say I saw aclip and this is just.
This is what makes me say this.
It was a clip from a while agoand it was DDG and he said man,
(47:05):
I appreciate y'all for goingcrazy seeing how halo was.
I'll be real respectful,because I don't like talking
about you know people, kids,stuff like that.
But, um, yeah, he said you knowhis, his son, he saw him
walking, uh, uh, through socialmedia.
And then he said, also in thatclip, you know that, uh, his
(47:31):
girl had sent him the videobefore everybody saw it.
So and then it fast forwarduntil like a week ago or two
weeks ago, and then he was likehis first time seeing his son
walking was on the social media.
So it was like two differentstories.
So, and I don't know if that'sjust like out of emotion, like
you forget some certain things,da, da, da, da, but that just
(47:52):
kind of like puts me in a senseof one, I don't know everything,
um, and two, that is hard and Ido feel like women do do that
sometimes.
I'm not saying nothing abouthailey.
I again, I don't know them, butI'm just saying I have heard
that as a man, from other menand people hitting me up my own
(48:17):
cousins as soon as I, as soon asI had a daughter my cousins was
hitting me up like trying towarn me of the certain things
that can happen and stuff likethat, and that falls into one of
them of like a woman kind ofswitching up on you kind of
whenever she wants to and usingthe baby and her saying that
she's the primary care of thechild to, um, really just do
(48:42):
whatever she want for real.
Uh, so you know that that thatthat is a reality for a lot of
people yeah, okay, so out.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
And I feel you and
there's nothing I disagree with
what you said.
The picture, the wholeencompassing thing that comes to
mind was, is that we don't haveenough conversations about this
situation.
Like, all right, they was in along-term relationship with each
(49:15):
other.
Their parents should have setthem, somebody should have
guided them into saying, hey, atsome point y'all need to talk
about kids and what y'all's corevalue is.
One, y'all shouldn't be havingunprotected sex.
If y'all not ready for this tohappen, so that conversation
(49:39):
needs to be happening for everychild.
So, because otherwise y'allgonna have different values on
how y'all feel like y'all childneeds to be raised.
So she may feel like I'mguessing, I don't know and I
could be completely wrong butddg may, may not be a good
(50:01):
father in her eyes and she wantsto keep her away from him.
Oh, yeah, halo, away from him.
But you also sit down and havehad that child.
So you y'all need to come withsome type of uh, way y'all need
to handle custody of that child.
But the whole point is youreally should be married and
(50:24):
have kids?
Absolutely yeah, and somepeople do not look at it that
way or think about it.
They, you know, and in planning, it's just not a people's life
at this point yeah, yeah yeah,so it's it's.
There's a lot, there's a longlist of guidance that we're not
receiving as a whole, as in thecountry, because our divorce
(50:46):
rates are high we're having kidsout of wedlock and I mean, I
don't feel like people arestrong like that for real, like
to last.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I thought about that
as well and it kind of ties into
this.
Um, yeah, you know again, therethere are multiple ways of
looking at every singlesituation, but I don't feel like
long-lasting love is like atrend.
I feel like having a girlfriendor a boyfriend is, or like you
(51:23):
know, when I'm the options, is atrend versus like this is my
person type thing.
So what I mean by that is youknow, um uh, uh, when you choose
somebody, when you choosesomebody.
I heard this one day.
(51:44):
It's from this woman named drbrian and she said you know,
some people they choose marriage.
Some people they choose theirpartner.
You could choose marriage andyou can have marriage with
anybody.
You switch you up, switch herup, boom, next person to where
we have kids without like thatcore family base.
(52:05):
Because that's I feel likethat's more of a trend versus
like I choose you, and thatcomes with all sides of you.
And you know, I I wish like thatwas a trend.
You know, like no matter what,whatever, and that's a lot to
say.
You know I'm saying you knowpeople have boundaries.
(52:27):
I do think that should be athing, but, um, I just wish that
was more of a trend.
Like you know, men be tripping,I'd be tripping, I'd be
tripping sometimes.
But I do know that when I getwith a woman, it don't matter
how perfect she looks, iswhatever in front of me, it's
gonna be some behind that.
So, and it's gonna be somebehind me whether I think,
(52:49):
however I am, or not.
So, yeah, that's just somethingthat I do wish like was more of
a trend versus kind of what I'msaying.
That's not the first time weheard this, you know.
Um, I see that all the timeit's it's it's a lot of that
going on in the industry, in therap game.
Uh, I don't want to just name abunch of women who ain't got
dudes, but it's a lot of them,it's a lot of, and then usually
(53:13):
it's boom, they get pregnant.
Oh, they're happy, they breakup, and I have a list in my head
right now yeah, they're stillgoing.
So, uh, yeah, bro, I wish therewasn't.
That, there wasn't like a trend.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
It seems like that's
a trend, though yeah, I, I mean
it's, it's very interesting,like I'm not a woman, um, but I
I can't speak for women andmaybe that's where we probably
need to have a guess in to, so Idon't feel like I'm talking out
of bounds but yeah, for sure itjust feels like a lot, of, a
(53:51):
lot of women aren't team players.
Yeah, like this doesn't seemlike regardless if you feel like
you can handle, you know more,or what's good for your child.
It just reminds me of like alike I'm gonna use a basketball
reference like a ball hog, likesome people are ball hogs
(54:13):
because they are, they feel likethey're the best player and
they need to keep in their handsin order to win the game right,
yeah, but some is like, bro,you need to pass the ball
because it's a team and you needto get that person more
involved because it's going tohelp better the team regardless
if you feel like you're the best, not because you cannot do it
this yourself.
Your son needs your father, soy'all need to.
(54:38):
You need a better way ofcommunicating, which is women
think they're way bettercommunicate, and this is just
out experience.
I know my mom is a goodcommunicator.
I'll give her that and I knowothers that good communicators.
But women, a lot of women, arepoor, very poor communicators.
(54:58):
They just do the thing Say more.
And they can't and they aren'table to have a true discussion
of what the actual issue relies.
And then, when we do have adiscussion, it's like a man
sometimes can't be honest andhow they feel because you're
going to go off the handle so Ihave to give you the bare
(55:20):
minimum, or say less or nothingat all yes, this is describes a
bunch of my past relationshipsand it's not, and man, we're not
perfect you handle things wrong, but I I feel like it's like.
I just want to, and I said thisrecently I just want to be a
place to where I can freelycritique how I feel.
Like it's like.
I just want to, and I said thisrecently I just want to be a
place to where I can freelycritique how I feel, and you can
take that and receive it.
(55:41):
Of course, it's never going tofeel good, it's not.
Yeah, nobody's gonna be likehey, you failed right here.
And like, oh okay, yeah, it'sgoing to suck, but it's, it's
for better for us, it's for theteam right, absolutely because
you don't mind doing it to me atall.
Let's be clear, you don't mind.
You're not really biting yourtongue.
(56:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I just say for me and I waslike I can't accept anything.
It's just how you receive ittoo I I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
I think it's how you
say it I mean, that's how I mean
oh okay, like hey, it's justhow you say it.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
If you coming at me
or like swinging and punching,
I'm going to do absolutelymyself.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Yeah, that's a
natural human leading with love
then we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
All right, tell me
why I failed at that moment
that's so bruh, it's so easy broyeah it's so easy, like I felt
like I only had that a couple oftimes where someone was like,
hey, look, it's almost like timeslows down.
It's like, hey, you know uh,you could just tell.
(56:50):
When it's like wrapped in love,it's a total different feeling.
It almost just makes you justlike shut up it's like, oh, did
I up what's going on?
Yeah, yeah, it's a totaldifferent response for me.
Um, and I definitely try to dothat um, like in relationships,
kind of like, you know, talk tothem that way as well.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
So, yeah, that better
communication is definitely a
thing that needs to be done yeah, and I'm gonna use the example
it'll be different if you're agirl.
Like, that comment hurt myfeelings and I don't know if I
can be next to you right nowthat would hurt my feelings yeah
if you saying that, saying thatI'm like, oh my goodness, I
(57:34):
need to do better, yeah, yeahyeah yeah, yeah, I am a terrible
person Versus, like why the Fyou say that Are you stupid.
Nigga what you say yesterday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You think you funny, don't you?
You ain't funny.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now I'm really resentmentversus actually want to make the
change right yeah, yeah, so soit's, but those two things
(57:58):
somewhat mean the same, becauseit both hurts from the same, but
now yeah, yeah, but now Ireceive it way differently.
Now it's going to make mechange my actions.
I don't want to do that againversus now.
I feel like I need to fightback yeah, yeah.
Now I need to really defendmyself.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
That is an amazing
point.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Right, it comes from
different to where it's like.
You know, one thing is likedang, I was out of line versus
you.
Came and take a joke.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean.
Yep, yeah, nope.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yep, better form of
communicating and be a
communication, and that's whereland that's clearly kind of what
it is if you feel like DDG isfailing and you don't want him
to be around your son.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
I don't know what
this you know it could be very.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
It couldn't be that
at all it could be, she could be
actually just don't like him,you know, but regardless, he
needs.
He needs to see his son andhe's communicated that in his
record.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So, but if you feel like he'sfailing, hey, this is the things
I need you to prove on, becauseI don't think my son is secure
(59:09):
and you need to be on my right.
But whatever the thing is, Idon't want to just start making
stuff and putting it out there.
But yeah, so I think this isjust a.
I wanted to bring it up becauseit's a larger conversation.
It's just like, hey, this issomething y'all need to talk
about while the baby's in thewomb.
What type of parent you'll be?
Because for me, I'm adisciplinary.
(59:30):
I don't want to seem like I'm adrill sergeant, but if you
ain't doing them right, I ain'tgonna reward you.
I can't, yeah, yeah, I can't,yeah, I can't give you a cookie
when you just when you justcussed out your teacher at
school oh my god, yeah, yeah,you know what I mean, that we
you're gonna be on punishmentuntil your behavior is corrected
(59:50):
all right, not when you've beengood for a couple of days.
No, I need to see actualcorrection.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this is going to be overtime.
And I was like, alright, I cansee the change in you, but if
you do good for a week and thenyou do the same thing, I'm like,
alright, bro, we extending thisyeah yeah, yeah, no, we're
actually going to do communityservice.
(01:00:11):
You're going to a local park,you're picking up trash, bro
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my momthreatened boot camp hella time.
I didn't need all that, butyeah, kid, when you're 16.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Maybe she did right.
Maybe she she stopped that shitin the beginning.
From my experience, you seewhere you gonna go and it's on
(01:00:45):
the TV.
Yes, sir.
I'm three years old watchingthis shit.
No, but no, I definitely getthat.
I definitely get that.
That is a Very much so inlong-term relationships, and
having that conversation, I alsofeel like these people are
young too, though.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I mean absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
So who I mean?
I don't see, I see thathappening for people in their
30s.
I don't see too much of thatwith people 25 below.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
And that's why I'm
talking about guidance.
Why is nobody's parentsstepping in like bro you wrong,
take that child to that boy.
Yeah.
You know what I mean.
Like yeah, there's nobodystepping in, that you listen to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah I mean,
hopefully there is, but yeah,
yeah, that's what I'm saying,I'm sure it's something I mean
it's, it's, it's growing.
Now you know it's aconversation between the two
families, for sure right nowyeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
So I'm just saying
you just gotta have guidance.
And you know, I'm assuming thathayley bailey was raised right.
Yeah, yeah, because becauseboth her and her sister are
successful, so they're raisedright to a certain degree.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so nobody's paying likebro.
I understand you need to talkto him and let him know.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Or whatever.
Yeah, I'm sure there's got tobe a lot of that shit going on.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I couldn't even
imagine that big of a stage,
yeah yeah, I mean because I mean, of course, raising a child is
going to be difficult.
Even when you're married You'regoing to have different values
on how you believe.
Hopefully you can try to get alot of that, but you're never
going to be truly ready.
But as long as you know it's ateam effort, you can go in that,
(01:02:38):
of course.
Course it's not gonna be, youknow, glitz and glamour and
there's gonna be times like this, but it's just the overall
conversation that like hey, I'mseeing this time and time again
and these are lasting stains.
They harbor resentment that thechild doesn't get what he or
she needs.
Yeah, and that's wherechildhood trauma.
This is why kids now depresstherapy long lasting to the rest
(01:03:00):
of their lives and don't knowwhat to do.
It's just so much that I meanthis could be a whole podcast
and stuff Talking about it, butI know we got more to discuss
Because we had that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Well, what happened?
Tory Lanez dropped.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I didn't listen to
the album.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I haven't.
I haven't fully listened to iteither, but I will say he does a
lot of.
You know it's starting to, it'snot starting to, but you know
it brewed years ago with thehalf and half songs.
Like the first half is likerapping and singing and then
singing and yeah, but I will saywith his rapping I like his
(01:03:41):
singing more than his rapping,but the beats on the rapping
joints is way too hard and thequality on the album, I will say
, does not sound like this manis on the jail phone.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah, and that's how
it's been sounding, because he
put out a lot of records sincethen.
I heard some of those theengineering.
He even said a long time ago hebroke the code on how to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Him and his engineer.
Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
They broke the code
on um how to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, like him and
his engineer, they broke the
code the one thing I can sayabout him is that nobody can
question this man like I feellike at this point, in terms of
his work ethic and his drive.
I mean, there's nobody that canquestion this man's work ethic.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I mean at this point,
that's all he got can do is
create music.
You know, work out and learn.
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You know what I mean.
Most people wouldn't?
Most people.
This man is on the side singingin a jail phone.
Yeah.
Like for a whole 20-track album.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Well, I'm sure it's
over time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
It's probably over
time, but yeah, but still.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Because you know you
got the.
This collect call is fromso-and-so person, right?
Yeah, you got all that and yougot to finish calling call back
and yeah no but yeah yeah, forsure, tory Lanez always talented
, you could tell he loved whathe do.
Yeah.
He's very great, I'm sure thealbum.
I've heard a couple songs.
I didn't love it immediately,but I'm going to give it a true
(01:05:02):
listen.
I didn't love it immediately,but I'm going to give it a true
listen.
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, I was skipping
around a little bit Because I,
honestly, was looking for the.
I was looking for, like the,singing songs.
I was looking for a shortertrack list, not necessarily 20,
but I wonder if he's going toget out Because, like his DNA,
wasn't on the gun.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Probably not yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
He did say it was
like it just doesn't make sense
but it's documented.
Though it's documented, therewas four.
There are four people that wason the the gun.
There's four different types ofDNA that was on the gun it it
was two males and two women andhe wasn't any of them.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I just I
believe that he did it.
I've always maintained mystance.
He had he had if you want to gothere, he had ample times One.
He had a plea agreement that hecould have went for and only
served maybe a little bit over,a plea agreement that he could
have went for and only servedmaybe a little bit over a year,
(01:06:09):
and he could have did that healso.
What doesn't help him is his,his attitude, his sporadic
attitude, and he was leading upto court.
He punched August.
Asina and that's like, becausethat's when we had my old
podcast up to court, he punchedAugust Alcina Because that's
when we had my old podcast.
(01:06:30):
Everybody maintained that hewas innocent, but me.
I always did my stances.
I was like, even before thetrial I was like Tory Lanez, you
won, you got a really good pleaagreement.
You should take this.
Do not take your chances incourt because you are going to
lose.
And everybody disagreed the gunit wasn't actually bullets in
(01:06:52):
her foot.
You know they're saying allthat stuff and they've since
backtracked a little bit, butthey still maintain its
innocence.
But then he punched Agustin.
I was like you only continue toprove the court's point.
It's because you have a seveneight-year sentence on the line
(01:07:14):
and then you go act aggressively, sporadic, out of no reason,
because a man did not shake yourhand.
Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I saw a couple of
moments where he—.
Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
And you already have
your life on the line, bro, and
you go out and do that.
I was like you keep on showingtime after time of why you
acting aggressive.
So if you acting out ofcharacter, then and with drinks
involved you can definitely actout of character later.
You just proving the court'spoint and that was silly.
Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
I don't remember the
time frame of it, but um, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
You know, we was on
the podcast, we talked about it.
So I remember vividly this wasleading up to the court case oh,
wow yeah, yeah, and he punchedstill yeah just because august
alcina did not shake his hand Isaw the video, yeah yeah, yeah,
he's like nah, you've beentalking trash about me.
When he had the whole jay, jaysmith, he walked away, came back
(01:08:06):
and punched him in the face.
Mm-hmm, like yeah yeah, he gotkicked off a tour.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Oh I didn't know, he
got kicked off a tour.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It was like an R&B
comedian tour type thing.
Yeah, yeah.
No, we talked about it.
I remember it vividly andit's's like you're not helping
your case, even though I thoughtI thought he was guilty I still
didn't want to see him do jailtime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and andthere's just so much stuff that
he did during that time thatmakes him like bro, why are you
(01:08:35):
apologizing to to women if youdidn't do anything wrong?
Because after y'all both waslike brad, come on, now stop I.
Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I have no idea.
I don't know what's going on,but I do know there's got to be
more to that story that is beingsaid uh, but we can switch it
real quick to something I didwant to talk about the hazing
death in southern university, umso we had a little bit more
details on that uh, so I do wantto get his name, but um but I
(01:09:04):
can kind of describe why you'relooking to um, tell the people
what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
So at southern us
university, um, a guy was
pledging and a part of thehazing, they take the guys and
punch them four times in thechest and, uh, the young man
collapsed.
Um, they took him to hospital,left and he died died, yeah.
So they said that it was CalebWilson yes, and they claimed
(01:09:30):
that it was a basketball gameyeah, they pulled up.
Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
They had to be
panicking freaking the fuck out.
Of course yeah.
Yeah, they said that he was in abasketball game and he got hit
in the chest and then he had aseizure or something, and then
they switched his clothes out.
They were had a seizure orsomething and then, um, they,
they switched his clothes out.
Uh, they were in all sweats orsomething.
Uh, I guess, while they werepledging wherever they were at I
think it was in a warehouse,yeah and um, they switched his
(01:09:55):
clothes out and then got him tothe hospital, uh, where he was
already unresponsive, yeah, so,yeah, he was probably already
gone, yeah, it just reminded meof the, the young, the young man
he played for the Buffalo Billswho was who cut, who died and
(01:10:19):
resuscitated it's.
Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
His name is passing,
demar Helminton.
He was hit in the chest by THiggins of the Bengals and then
collapsed on the field andneeded to be resuscitated.
And that just instance remindsme of that and how, if they
didn't perform chestcompressions immediately, then
he would have died.
(01:10:41):
He technically died thenbecause his heart stopped but
then they resuscitated him.
That situation reminds me of aman getting hit in the chest.
His heart stops and they, ofcourse, wasn't.
No medical evaluator was thereto help, no medical professional
.
So that is extremely sad.
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And the dude who did
it?
Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
he was 23.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
And he was already
graduated from the school.
Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Damn yeah, yeah, 18,
19,.
The dude who did it?
Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
he was 23 and he was
already graduated from the
school.
Damn, yeah, yeah, 19, 20, 22,yeah, right, that makes yeah,
yeah.
So I'm like, bro, what youdoing?
Yeah, I mean I don't know Imean, they're the big homies
yeah, I don't know how that thatthat goes.
Why are we still hazing?
Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I mean it's, it's a
part of the.
Now, I don't know too too muchabout the, the, the culture, but
I know enough of going touniversity, of wherever I went,
um, just being around it.
Um, you know there are certaintraditions.
That's with it, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, there's a
certain tradition, so you just
keep on doing weird shit to be apart of a fraternity I don't
know why they do.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I mean some stuff I
can understand in terms of, um,
building a brotherhood.
You know there are certain waysthat you can do that um, and
you know they're the, the.
I don't even know if it'straditional.
You know only only people in uh, fraternities and sororities
(01:12:12):
like they would know that.
But, um, there is some type oftradition there, like when it
comes to hazing.
We've been talking about hazingforever, so you know, probably
before it was a time it wasn'teven called hazing.
They just like made up a wordfor it after they figured out
they was doing this yeah, butI'm just saying it's just
unnecessary
Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
it's absolutely
unnecessary saying like right,
there's a better way.
There's a million other waysyou can get to prove somebody's
loyalty, and it doesn't have tobe from hazing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't
know, there's so many different
versions of hazing.
I feel like we only say hazingwhen something really bad
happens.
Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
No, we say hazing
when it's something dumb as hell
, Like you got to cuff yourfriend's balls and sing a song
together, Like why I got to dosome weird shit to prove I'm
loyal.
Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Yeah, I've heard a
couple stories too, yeah about
that yeah it's almost like Idon't know well.
Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
I mean, sometimes it
feels like they're joining the
gang for real yeah, I just likebrad, like why can't it just be
a community thing?
Hey, we put it in three hours aday, we're gonna work together
within our community to helprebuild it, and why can't it be
like something like that toprove your loyalty, I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I don't know, I, I, I
do feel like, though, if I went
through something that could behazing, we're hating today yeah
, I'm just saying like hey, wejust, you know, uh, because what
I, my mom, I had no choice.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
So, like I know the
now that I look back when I'm
older, I was painting rails whenI was a child of like schools.
Yeah.
Like yeah, and I was justforced to do that.
I was like I don't know whatthe hell I'm doing, but I'm
painting rails.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was told to do this.
I was told to pick up trash.
I was told to help renovate youknow, uh, schools.
(01:14:08):
Yeah, I was just doing what Iwas told.
I didn't like it.
Yeah, yeah, I had to walkmarathons for junior diabetes.
You know what I mean like yeah,I didn't understand this, but I
did it.
But now they're like bro, dosomething like what makes sense,
give back in some type ofdegree yeah, I mean, I think
it's just it got to the point ofit being dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Like I do agree with
going through something with a
certain set of people and makingit out and it was something
difficult that you feel closerto those people, Like it's a
deeper bond.
I do agree with that.
I do feel also that it's gonetoo far to where is dying I, I,
(01:14:47):
I disagree in the deeper.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
The hazy makes a
deeper bond because I feel like
if me I went through trainingwith, with new hires, us going
through that month of training,it's a deeper bond than it is
with other people that dsa'sthat work with us.
I mean, if you compare the shitto, that's all, that's all, is
you spending so much timetogether that it's going to be a
(01:15:10):
deeper burn because you knowthem so well?
That's why it's a deeper bond,that's why you go, that's why
you can go to them like hey,we've been spending three hours
together every day for a wholesemester.
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
That's a deeper bond,
naturally yeah, it's gonna be a
natural bond, but you don'tthink that if um, you cut a cuff
, a man's ball or no, nigga, I'mnot going that far, it's going
too far.
I'm saying it's going too far.
What I'm saying is you don'tbelieve that if you do something
difficult with a person nottraining to be on a computer, if
(01:15:43):
you go through boot camp withfour people and both the all
y'all see each other on theother side, you're not gonna
have a different feeling of theother side of that versus the
other side of you completingyour training no cap.
I may not even like the peopleI'm with, yeah, yeah, that don't
mean I'm gonna like them andhave a deeper bond okay, let's
say that you like him that I didboot camp with him I'm saying
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something difficult, okay, allright, maybe that's that's what
we did I went through a, a bootcamp workout before I don't know
.
Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I can't even remember
these names that's for 45
minutes.
I'm just saying you're deeperbond because you spend so much
time with somebody that you getto know somebody.
Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I'm not saying like
conquering something like I.
I get what you're saying.
I just feel like there there issomething else.
There there is.
Maybe the word isn't deeper,but there's a certain feeling.
I feel like that is differentfrom um, just something that's
kind of like easy to do with agroup of people, a small group
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of people, not saying cuffingniggas, balls and singing
Christmas carols.
Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
So they got deeper
bonds because they get punched
in the chest.
Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I'm asking Bro, I
said a million times it's gone
too far.
I'm not saying that, I'm justsaying something.
Let's like go down a couplenotches, a fucking.
I don't have anything in mymind.
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Why can't you have a
deeper bond doing a community
activity?
That's not easy.
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
That's my co-worker.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
A community activity
To me, so give me a scenario
that's deeper bond.
Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I try to with the
book they're working out
together not just working outokay, uh, you, you in now.
Now this is extreme, but like,let's say, you was in the
military and you again.
I'm going too far so I'll saythis, but I'm trying to get you
to get the sense of what I'msaying.
You're in the military, you'rein afghanistan, all right,
whatever the fuck, and y'allsurvive.
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Y'all survive because y'allwent out there and the task was
basically survival and y'all hadto help each other survive and
y'all made it through that shit.
You're not gonna have adifferent bond from them than
the people that you have in atraining course on your computer
duh, that's all I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
That is you, you're,
you're.
Y'all's lives depend on eachother yes it's way different
than them punching each otherI'm saying just bring it down a
couple drinking.
Drinking a bunch of get alcohol.
Drink a bunch of alcohol tillthey get alcohol poisoning.
You're relying on each other.
You need that person Right andany other hate or any other
fraternity.
(01:18:27):
You do not need that otherindividual to make it yeah.
But so that's a completelydifferent situation.
Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I said I went a
little far, that's a situation
completely by itself.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no other thing that youcould possibly compare that to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's no other thing that youcould possibly compare that to.
When you need somebody else tosurvive.
I can't think of nothing rightnow.
Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
That's life or death
yes, I'm just saying something
extremely difficult with a groupof people and y'all make it out
, I feel like there is.
The word I'm using is deeper,but some type of a deeper bond
than co-workers picking up trashlike.
I feel like at the end of both,one side is going to be a
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little bit more intact now.
I'm not saying get punched inthe chest and almost die from
alcohol poisoning, right.
I say let's make up some newstuff.
Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I say let's make up
some new stuff.
What what I'm trying to say isthere is time that's going to be
spent to the next person besideyou.
Y'all of similar age, y'allgoing through a goal together
and trying to be a part ofAmerica's Eye or whatever it was
, and together, and y'allspending so much time together,
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and y'all spending so much timetogether and got of six among a
thousand group in thatfraternity, you're going to have
a deeper bond with that person,naturally, because that's who
you've been spending so manytime with, versus the other
people.
That fraternity that you'regoing to just have a natural
bond just because of time spent,yeah, but, but it's, it doesn't
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need to have anything to dowith hazing.
Hazing does not make the bondstronger.
That's not even.
I don't even think that's evenwhat the purpose of hazing for.
I think the purpose of hazingfor it is to actually show you
how far you will go to be a partof the fraternity, and that's
kind of what it seems and it's,and that's a ridiculous idea to
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me.
Uh, okay yeah because I'm I'venever, I've never heard nobody
like bruh.
I'm gonna die.
I'ma die for a uh, you know tobe a kappa.
Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I'm gonna put that
nobody thinks they're gonna die
so it's like there's alwaysgonna be.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I'm not gonna go the
first limit.
I'm loyal.
This is a fraternity.
I want to join because ofwhatever reason, I'm willing to
put the time, the money involvedto be a part of this fraternity
and this is going to be part ofmy legacy forever and I'm going
to treat it that way.
So you don't need all thisextra stuff.
The hazing is what I'm sayingis not necessary.
Yeah, yeah, because I wanted tobe alpha, because a lot of what
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Martin Luther King was oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Yeah, I was just
about to say like, so we can
assume you didn't want to beanything.
Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
No, I thought about
it, but it was all the extra
stuff involved.
One it was expensive.
I didn't have the money to dothat.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's clear, butit's all the extra stuff
involved to do that and I justdidn't.
Yeah, yeah, so it was.
It was a short thought, but Ithought about it hmm, I did too.
Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Yeah, I was thinking
about it, and then I went to
MTSU where I met you, and then Isaw all the, the Alphas, oh
shit.
Well, I don't want to put thatout there, but they, they were
just.
Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
It just wasn't the
same vibe yeah, but I mean and
that's that was your take on itI respected a lot of the alphas
there for real, yeah, but youwent to, you went there, uh,
later on than I did, so some ofthose guys probably graduated oh
, yeah, yeah but some of themlooked out yeah, yeah, oh, baby,
yeah yeah, oh, baby, I bet yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh
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, yeah, yeah, but I think that'spretty much yeah that's it.
We're a little over time, ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I'm cool with it.
No, this was good.
Well, this is two for theculture.
Lord willing, we'll be.