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June 23, 2025 60 mins
Today, the Two Mikes welcomed back Mr. Brandon Weichert for a discussion of international affairs and the dangers that are accumulating from them for the United States. Currently, Mr. Weichert is the Senior National Security Editor at the National Interest journal. He also is a best-selling author on many of the topics we spoke about.
 
Mr. Weichert argued convincingly that the war in Ukraine is lost and has been lost for a good time. There really is nothing for President Trump to do but to walk away from Ukraine, Zelensky, and NATO. America has been disastrously involved in Europe’s terminal inability to stay out of war since 1917 and have won two wars for them. Now we are involved in a third war started and wanted by the Europeans, the Western intelligence agencies, and Biden, and we find that the cocky European bastards, their governments, their controlled media, the UN, and their intelligence agencies – probably with the CIA and the Mossad – are trying to suck the United States into a nuclear war with Russia. Enough is enough, if European regimes wants a nuclear war with Russia, let them have it. The end of Western Europe as it is and the annihilation of the NATO treaty can be nothing but good news for the United States.
 
In the Middle East, Mr. Weichert said that it certainly appears that Benjamin Netanyahu is going down and that he does not care that he will be taking Israel down with him. Over one million Israelis have already fled their country. The war does on and on in the Middle East and the Israeli military continues, on Netanyahu’s orders, to try to kick all the Palestinians to death, while simultaneously trying to draw the United States into satisfying the lust of Netanyahu and his circle – which includes most of the Congress and the wealthiest of Jewish-Americans – for all-out war with Iran. The key to getting out of this mess is obvious, dump the Israelis and let them fend for themselves against the coming war of retribution that will be thrown at them by the Bin Laden-inspired descendants of the untold number of Arab people – fighters and civilians -- who have been killed, incarcerated, assassinated, tortured, and murdered by the U.S.-backed Israel’s military and intelligence organizations since 1948.  
 
Mr Weicher's most recent book -- The Shadow War: Iran's Quest for Supremacy is available at Amazon and other booksellers, as are his two excellent previous books Biohacked: China's Race to Control Life and Winning Space: How America Remains a Superpower. Mr. Weuchert’s twitter address is @wethebrandon. His website is: https;//www.1945.com 

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you can get us on whatever whatever you listen to,
tune in, Spotify, Stitcher, Apple, you know, so that's where
you find us. Alrighty, so let's welcome back, Brandon Weyicert,
Brandon Wickert. I always think about your name when I
drive to Virginia. I see all these real estates on
that I said, well, you should have been a multi
millionaire by now, but no relations. So these things happen,

(03:28):
you know, these things happen. Yes, my my real last name.
By the way, I shoot on half of Italy, but
that's another story.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, yes, well the Wykerts, they went from you know, Prussian. Uh,
you know Prussian nobility to UH realtors in the upper
northeastern part of the United States. So I guess it all,
it all connects at the end of the day. Unfortunately,
you're right. We I am distantly related, but I don't

(03:55):
get to share the profits. So you know, it's one
of the one of the unfortunate parts of life.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I guess it's like the mother from another brother, you know,
or a brother from but you don't know. What's funny.
Our family goes back to We traced it back to
the eleventh century in Italy, and they were aristocrats, believe
it or not. And at the end of the at
the end of the road, they became habititashers.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's all. It all goes back to trade. At the
end of the day. You know, it all reduced.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You got to make a living somehow. You know, once
they killed the king, it's over.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Get a shovel, right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So anyway, welcome back, and let's talk about let's do
some global stuff. You can find Brandon on X. Give
us your handle, we'll put it in the bottom. But
he's always on X. He's always popping up good things
on X. And you want to follow him. He's always
got things. And also you just wrote a new article.
What is that website that you write for?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I write for the National Interest. I'm a senior
national security editor there. But my buddy Curtin Mills, who's
the big head honcho over at the American Conservative, he
wrote forward for my last book, A Disaster of our
own making, How the West Lost Ukraine. He told me, hey,
we got you know, if you want to start sending
stuff over, we'll start publishing. And he yes, I have.

(05:10):
I'm the featured article right now, and it's all about
how I think Trump, regardless of what's happening right now,
is going to walk away from Ukraine thankfully. But it
looks like we're going to have to go through an
iteration of you know, strong arming in order to get
to that point. But I don't believe we're going to
get a deal, as you know.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I just have one little kink in that one, and
I think it's well, remember that old French tune when
you were a kid for wherever is Raka?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Where is black Rock? Where is Trump? Turn around?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know? Black Rock? Though they're not having a good
show because they were supposed to take over the Panama
Canal by now, and last I checked, the Chinese are
still sitting pretty there, so uh, you know, they might not.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Be called in China and Chinese in Canton they call
it hung low. He went too quick. That's right, that's right,
that's right, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, well we can just start right there. You know,
the Trump came in promising that he was going to
get a deal and it right now it looks like,
first of all, that's not going to happen. I told everybody.
If he doesn't get it within his first one hundred days,
or he doesn't at least get momentum for that, you know,

(06:29):
he's not going to get it done because Congress is
a mosh pit and they're going to delay this. And
so it looks like we're not going to get an
official or formal deal with Russia to and Ukraine. So
the two options on the table now are Trump is
going to become Joe Biden two point zero and you know,

(06:50):
start letting the Europeans and everybody, you know, we're going
to go to war, or he's gonna put on a
little show over the next few weeks and then he's
gonna I don't want to sacrifice my presidency and my
legacy in a European war, and he's going to just
walk away, and I think, I hope that's where this

(07:12):
is going. And in walking away, Trump will try, I think,
to pivot and drop the Ukrainian hot potato in the
lapse of Europe, while he then starts doing deals, hopefully again,
deals with the Putinist government in Russia. Notably, I mean
just just three weeks ago they were talking about joint

(07:33):
rare earth mineral development deals with Russia. They had Constantine.
I'm forgetting his last name, but he's like Putin's right
hand business guy. He flew to DC I think at
the end of March beginning of April and had a
whirlwind tour with all of the Trump administration officials. The
big talk was, we're going to start doing deals, We're

(07:55):
going to start making money, We're going to ratchet things down.
America and Russia will go back to their neutral corners.
And we were talking even Putin brought it up two
weeks ago, possibly setting up a joint manned mission to
Mars the Russians and SpaceX. Wouldn't that be amazing? And
now suddenly it's it's you know, it's the exact opposite. Now,

(08:18):
it's you know, somebody wink wink tried to assassinate President
Putin over the weekend as we're engaging in these negotiations.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Probably, Oh, that wouldn't be the deep wink wink.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, well, you know another thing, and not to be
too paranoid here, I don't know how far down the
rabbit hole you want to go with me. I can
go all the way to you know, wonderland. But you know,
I I do wonder You know, they said it was
the Ukrainians that tried to whack Putin, But for instance,
we know for a fact because they admitted it in
twenty twenty three, and I have this in my book,

(08:52):
the Biden regime, CIA NSC admitted that we were using
American targeting and tell legence to target the Russians operating
in Ukraine for the Ukrainian military. Furthermore, it was released
that somebody I spoke with admitted on background that CIA

(09:15):
was actually using targeting intelligence to do these hits into Russia.
So for me, it's not that big of a stretch
to say, well, the quote unquote Ukrainians that tried to
whack Putin's helicopter. I highly doubt Ukraine has that kind
of intelligence gathering capacity. Maybe they do, but I don't
think they do. I think this is Western intelligence that

(09:37):
had the track on Putin's whereabouts, and they were trying
to end this thing so that, you know, they would
get their little scalp. It might have also, though, and
this is where I get into maybe a little this
is me just speculating, but it's just weird this happened.
And then Trump comes out the next day talking about
how much of an animal Putin is. Almost like Trump's thinking, Hey,

(09:57):
if they're going to do that to Putin without telling me,
maybe they're gonna start doing it to me again, and
I better start towing the line.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Doesn't that sound though, a little like Trump is not
in control. I don't believe he is of the Pentagon.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well he's not, he's not. And I don't think John
Radcliffe I think that. I think what they've done on
at Langley is they've basically hermetically sealed the seventh floor
offices of John Ratcliffe and they're basically running a muck
below him, and you know, giving him enough glitter for
the chicken feed to keep him stated. And also I
don't think Ratcliffe is really intellectually curious enough to actually

(10:36):
figure out what his people at CIA are actually doing
behind his back. And so, I mean, it's not just
it's the whole it's the whole apparatus. But the fact
that Doge, as Bannon says, Doge wouldn't cross the Potomac
to go into you know, the Pentagon, the fact that
I'm not and maybe doctor Shore you might have a

(10:56):
greater insight on this than I do, is just somebody
on the outside. It doesn't look like to me though
they're really reforming much of CIA right now in terms.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Of I haven't seen anything.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, so it to me. And he's like the worst
person to pick to do the kind of draining you need.
You need somebody who knows the agency.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'm clapping, it's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, there they are. I've met them, and I'm sure
you know them. You're one of them.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Done. You could have done it, would have loved to
do the job. Probably would have worked for nothing.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know the problem with the Trump administration and Trump
himself is, you know, he just he went shorthand and
he thought Fox News would be his manpower agency. Like indeed,
Dot com you know, and he just went to Fox
and said, I'll get this one, this one, this one.
The recycling doesn't work. It never worked. And like you said,
the seventh floor probably has all the leftover COVID masks

(11:55):
and tests. So they locked him down and said, here,
wear a couple of masks will for you.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's right, you know, it really is that.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
One of the odd things in this whole business is
that of all the Nobel prizes for peace that have
been given, the one most deserved hasn't been given yet,
and that's the Putin.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yes, yeah, well, this is something I tell my friends,
uh in d C, the few I have left. It
has been determined. My wife said this the other day.
I might be the most hated defense analyst in all
of America.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's yes.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
She was laughing when she said it. But I said,
I tell this to the few friends I have left
in d C, that you know this idea that oh,
Russia's Russia is losing and no, what Russia is doing
is they they putin. And this is he's catching a
lot of flak from his right in the politics. He's

(12:52):
tied his hand behind his back and the Russians, as
you know, the Russians have the capacity to not only
annihilate you Ukraine a million times over with you know,
a russianiic hypersonic weapons and the traditional sort of you know,
Russian artillery and Russian missile capabilities. But let's face it,
the Russians have more nuclear weapons that are more modernized

(13:13):
than we do today. So therefore, I would argue, if
the Russians really were crazy, they could just basically annihilate
everybody and call it a day. And you know, the
fact that the Ukrainians don't seem to understand that that
Putin is like a cat playing with his prey, you know,
before the the inevitable end pounce. It just shows you

(13:34):
how ignorant and how naive the entire Western security apparatus
has become. Because I think there are people, most people
in DC really think that, oh, the Ukrainians are winning
and you know, victoration. You know, it's like the Ukrainians.
Putin keeps giving them off ramps, and they keep giving
them the bird and at some point politically, and here's

(13:56):
another thing I in that essay that I just had published,
and I've gotten a lot I hate now on this
one from a couple of people that I know who
are very with these same thing tanks and whatnot. I
have a line in there, and I insisted that we
have it in there. I keep being told that you
were fighting for democracy in Ukraine. Yeah, yet yet Zelenski
suspended all national elections totalitarian. He then said when he

(14:22):
suspended in May, oh we'll reopen it in February twenty
twenty five. I think he was assuming Kamala La La
Laala was going to win, and you know now that
she's not. Uh oh, he's got to like pretend like,
oh no, it's never happening. Meanwhile, in Russia, they have
had I think they've had one presidential election during the war,

(14:42):
and they've had multiple regional elections during in the last
few years, and they're scheduled to have a major legislative
election next year. Now the pushback is, yeah, but they
manipulate their elections, to which I say, not any more
than we do on our own elections. So you know,
it's sort of like, you know, what are you going
to do here? So my point here is whose democracy

(15:04):
is it? Really?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Are to me, it sounds like Russia's having more democratic
experiences during this war than is the so called pro
democracy side in Ukraine. So where is the.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Lark constitution in democracy more than wars for democracy?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's right, that's right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
The problem I did to look at this whole situation.
Ukraine is almost God given, like we're somehow we're going
to manage to kick God in the teeth. Right, you
can get rid of Ukraine and we can get rid
of NATO.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
And for the first time since nineteen seventeen, we can
figure out how to defend ourselves without wars every fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's correct, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
And when do you see this? Where do you see this?
Will beb yahu in Ukraine because there's a lot of
flack out there, a lot of talk out there about
the larger Israel, the greater Israel, and a lot of
people are moving to Ukraine, moving to the borders of Ukraine.
People are packing their bags, they're in they're in Cyprus now,
money cash boxes, boxes and loose suitcases of money, our

(16:09):
tax payer money naturally going to those places. What do
you see with that?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You're saying from Israel to those places is what you're saying. Yeah, okay,
so you've touched on something so again, you know, you
you've got to separate signal from noise here. And you
know I predicted about a year ago that at the
rate Netnyah who was going And I think it's important
to note, you know, I know a lot of Israelis

(16:33):
I do, you know, I for whatever reason, like you know,
FDD sometimes will retweet me favorably, you know. But but
I've been warning everybody I know that if Netanyah, who
continues on this path and he's locked in now, he's
gonna take Israel down with him, like that's it, there's
no way. And then in my opinion, the likely scenario

(16:55):
here is in a decade, there is no more Israel,
that it is subsumed by the Turks. Uh there. You know,
I think Turkey is the biggest threat to the region,
not Iran anymore. I think the Iranians are gonna be
on their back feet for a while that you know,
Komane's gonna die soon and one of Kamani, and once
he dies, there's the whole new day in Iran. I

(17:17):
think we don't need to get involved. Let the people
figure it out like they did after the Soviet Union imploded,
you know, in Eastern Europe. Let them figure it out anyway.
With Israel, I think that Netanyah, who has taken such
an extreme position, I think he's over extended his military
so much. I think that they're going they're not gonna last.
I don't know how they're going to survive. They've they've

(17:39):
got the entire region against them. They're not fighting the
Arab armies of sand anymore, you know, Kenneth Pollocks or
Pollard's line, They're fighting real insurgents who have real capabilities.
They're fighting by extension Persian and then eventually they're going
to fight Turkish forces. These are real forces. These are
not the Arab armies of Sand and so I think that,

(18:03):
you know, if Israel keeps going, I think that they're
they're not going to be in Israel. Furthermore, you point
out the mass exodus that's not being reported. The idea
that Israel can survive this is negated by the fact
that if you just look at a picture of Ben
Gurian International Airport, there is a very higher than usual,

(18:25):
consistent and growing number of people in those cues to
leave the country. Yes, and they're not tourists there Israel.
They're clearly Israelis and they're clearly leaving the country. And so,
in my opinion, I think the Israeli people know that
the end is nigh and they're going to get on
a dodge while they can. And this is expressly because

(18:46):
of the extremism of the Netanyahu government.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
As we say in Israel, they see the writing on
the whaling wall.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
That's right, they do, that's right. And so you know,
Israel will continue to exert a level of influence in
Western you know, political affairs, you know. I but I
don't see how just given the kind of hornets nest
that Yahu's kicked over, I don't see how they're gonna

(19:14):
make it. Because now you've got the Turks moving in,
now you've got the Hoies. The Hoothies have hypersonic missiles.
There is no active defense, iron dome, iron beam, David Slang.
You go through the litany the THAD system, You go
through the litany of all the Western defense systems that
Israel has and that they you know, they're very proud of.
The fact of the matter is, none of those systems

(19:36):
can stop the Palestine two hypersonic missile that the Houthis
have in abundance. And who gave them that where the
Iranians and who helped the Iranians get it? We're probably
the Rooskies. And so, you know, Israel's not in a
good spot, and they've got a leader who's doing his
best George W. Bush routine, and it isn't gonna end
well because i'mlike America under Bush. There's no strategic depth

(19:58):
to fall back on for Israel. This this is it
and they've overextended themselves. So I don't think Israel is
going to be with us. Unfortunately for the people there.
I don't think it's going to be with us, you know,
for in the next decade. I think there's going to
be a really bad situation for the people who remain there.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well. Books, yeah, book sales are going to go up
for the Christians, Mike, they're going to have to get
left behind Volume nine.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Just imagine though, if we could get rid of Israel
and Ukraine and NATO. Yeah, you would act absolutely be
able to begin to study and learn about how the
world really works again.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I mean yeah, I mean I wouldn't want to see
what's going to happen to the Israelis. Uh, you know,
it's it's going to be a very bad thing if
they're not.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Comes around.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, fair enough, but hang on, mat when you're talking
about with this Ukraine, I want to ask Brandon this question,
and you Mike too. So if Ukraine wants to continue
with Russia and NATO says we're going to back Ukraine,
who's going to get of NATO the money? And apparently
I think they need our systems too to use certain missiles.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, I don't know if you saw, but last night
I saw. Maybe it wasn't last night, they said, I
thought it was. The Germans walked back in classic in
classic German fashion, they walked back their initial bout of
Hubris and said, well, and second thought, those tourist cruise
missiles were gonna give to Ukraine. They can't use them
on the Russians in Russia. They've got to keep them within,
you know. So I think that the Germans are realizing,

(21:29):
you know, that without America, all of Keir Starmer and
Emmanuel mccrun's greatest dreams of starting the next war with Russia,
without America, it's not possible. And they can't depend on
us to have their back, because, first of all, Trump
is clearly not in favor of this, no matter how

(21:50):
much of a hostage he is. And second of all,
look the Americans, even if we were gung ho about it,
the fact is are the cupboards are bear in America's
defense industrial base, and it's going to take at least
a decade of no wars to rehabilitate our broken system
here in the United States. And I think the Europeans
know it. And by the way, the Europeans are industrial

(22:11):
base is broken. Theirs is even worse. Theirs is shattered.
It's shattered. And Israel too, by the way, you know,
Israel is in a similar position where we hear all
this ra ra and look, you know the Israelis, yes,
they have, they have, they have probably I would say,
an indigenous indust defense industrial base that's probably better than
your average European. But ultimately, let's face it, without America,

(22:35):
the Israeli defense system doesn't work. And you know the
fact that that they can't. They're starting to be overwhelmed
in Israel by these hoo they attacks even shows you
that we're at the limit of what we in the
United States can do. And as I keep telling, I
keep telling anybody I know in the mar A Lago

(22:55):
wing like Eddy War. Right now, maybe the exception of
whacking Maduro, that might be the extent of what we
can do. Anything anything beyond that will not only destroy
Trump's presidency, uh, it will also probably be the equivalent
of what the Soviet Afghan War was for the Soviet Union.

(23:17):
It will be.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
But I think the Maduro thing, you know, they can
do backdoor channel They're doing backdoor channels, probably to make
some kind of progress down there.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
They're trying to do. Look, they're trying to here's the
here's the thing with Maduro. Okay, so they so grid
there's a divide. Caroline wren is repping chevron interest. I
got kind of creeped out because she followed me the
other day on Twitter, which means she's aware of what
I've been saying. Caroline wren Is is repping Chevron's interest,
and she's got Grinnelle and Susie Wilds, the White House

(23:47):
Chief of Staff, in her back pocket, which is why
there was this big fight last week over renewing those
certifications for Chevron to continue doing business in Venezuela. Now,
on the one hand, you go, yeah, but maybe this
is the this is the path of least resistance. We
kind of you know, win, you know milk, what is
it catch moore flies with honey? I don't know why

(24:08):
you're trying to catch flies, but anyway, the point is
is that Maduro is not just another tinpot dictator. I
think we now have enough evidence to show that Maduro
is the greatest source of destabilization throughout our own hemisphere.
He's a conduit, certainly for foreign malign actors China, Russia,

(24:28):
even Iran to some degree to gain access to our
part of the world to do god knows what, nothing good.
But also we now know, despite what the Icy says,
trendy Aragua is a paramilitary wing of the Venezuelan regime
and they now are trying to destabilize Chile. It looks

(24:48):
like we know that Cartel of the Suns, which is
Venezuela's basically state owned cartel, is actively destabilizing all of
Latin America and sending up all the filth into the
United States. And we also know that, by the way,
the Venezuelan and I don't want to get anybody in
trouble here, but I'm going to bring it up. The Venezuelan.

(25:11):
What do you call it software company Smartmatic, which is
the software used for so many of these voting machines
around the world. We now know that the CEO of
that company, the Venezuelan I think I can't remember his
last name starts with an M. He was just indicted
in the Philippines recently for attempting to bribe Filipino election

(25:32):
officials because his company was actively helping the pro China
side of the Philippines. I argue that Smartmatic also effectively
did a regime change operation in the United States and
the UPA. And so the idea that we're going to
let one of our major oil companies spend five hundred
million dollars per month funding that regime, expecting that that

(25:55):
Madua will play nice. Maduro is not playing nice. So
in my opinion, if we're going to have to do
some kind of a military action, let it be against him.
And let us secure the Western Hemisphere, let us secure
the Panama Canal, let us secure Greenland, let us maybe
get Alberta, that would be great, you know. Let us
focus on our own backyard for a while and tell

(26:17):
the Ukrainians and the Israelis to shove it, you know,
and we're not getting involved because our own hemisphere is
a mess.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
The might finish that one.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I think that's true. I don't know if Trump
knows that the Chinese have, like I think the twelve
or seventeen ports now that they control in Latin America
and South America. Well, it's unbelievable what they don't know. Yes,
I wanted to go back to a point very early
on in this in this session, branded and that was

(26:48):
the fact about our lack of knowledge or our lack
of education. You know, we and Israelis and the Europeans
have in the Middle East have assumed that, you know,
you talked about sand armies, but we have assumed that
those people were going to remain technologically and unsophisticated and

(27:11):
unable to use weapons that we gave them. And we
still behave like that after seeing what the hooties have
done and what other people have done. It's such a
hubris or an arrogance or a racism that it cripples us.
We can't we can't form policy if we don't understand
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
No, you're right, and actually I would argue we have
that same dismissive view of the Chinese today.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh, I think that's probably right, too certain, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, no, I think it's I think it's And remember
so my old editor at the Age of Times, excuse me,
David Goldman, who now blessedly is being brought into the
State Department's policy planning groups. So that's great. But he
used to tell me, he would remind me when I
would make a comment like that, he would say, well,
don't just go Now. Before World War Two, the Americans

(27:58):
completely underestimated the Jazz, did the British, the Japanese, because well,
they were, you know, yellow, and they weren't you know,
they weren't really white, you know, and we are. That's right,
that's right. Of course, they flew them right up our
rear end, didn't they, you know. And so we have
this tendency in American history to really underestimate our foes

(28:20):
or our competitors, especially when they are brown people, and
we're paying the price for that. I would argue that
the Arab armies of sand the reason, excuse me, the
reason they did not perform as well was partly because
we were They were trying to emulate and mimic Western

(28:42):
style militaries, yes, which rarely works. Uh. You know who's
in Afghanistan. Who's the greater, uh more effective fighting force.
The Afghan National Army with their billions of dollars of
NATO arms and the classy NATO training, or the Taliban,
who were basically just spitting polished insurgents. It's obviously the Taliban.

(29:03):
And I argue for Taiwan, by the way, I'm I'm
talking to some guys from the Taiwanese government and I'm
imploring them stop trying to build a mini American army
and and you know military, because it's not gonna work.
You need to fight to be able to fight the
mother of all insurgencies, which means small arms. Uh, you know,
maybe some drones, but none of this, Like, you don't

(29:24):
need F sixteens for that. You don't need, you know,
all the systems you're acquiring. That's just a boon for Lockey,
Martin and raytheon. That's not going to actually win you
the war. The war is gonna be one you know,
getting closing in, grabbing the enemy by the nose and
not letting them go until they run away, which is
an insurgency. And that's a totally different style of military.
Look to the North Vietnamese, uh are you know, and

(29:47):
the viet Cong of Vietnam War era less to the
American military of today. Unfortunately, though you know, our partners
around the world, this is you know, this is what
they think, and this is why in the terms of
the Armies of sand I would argue the reason that
they collapse the way they did was because they weren't
They weren't fighting according to their culture and the way

(30:07):
that they that they know how to fight, right, I mean,
Lawrence of Arabia is a great example. He didn't. Yeah,
they had some modern you know guns, but they use
the Bedouin style of maneuver and war fighting to overwhelm
the sort of traditional entrenched Western style of warfare that
the Turks inhabited, and they were able to take places
like Akaba because of that. And so I would argue

(30:31):
that the side that is the truest to their civilization
and culture, regardless of level of technology, will likely be
the side that defeats the you know, the mighty you know,
the mighty American or the mighty American ally like Israel,
because because they're fighting in a way that is commiserate
with what they know and their cultural values and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
You would have thought that the defeat of the Red
Army in Afghanistan following the defeat of Alexander and the British,
Oh yeah, I would have left a message and it didn't.
We did exactly what we shouldn't have done there. It's
the lack of historical knowledge is astounding.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It is well and you know, Michael, doctor Shroyer. Rather,
I don't know. Okay, thank you, Mike, and please call
me Brandon. But you know the the I know Gary
Burnson a little bit and I've met him a bunch
of times, and I know of the stories of Jawbreaker,
and I think that there are really two Afghan wars.

(31:33):
The America fought the Afghan War of October two thousand
and one to about spring two thousand and two, with
the high point being that December era where the Americans
got the Taliban, you know, out of the Kabul and
we had been laden on the run and Tora Bora
and then Rumsfeldt watched that whole operation out of spite.

(31:54):
But you know, there's that phase of the war where
we went in light and we you used air power
and satellites to you know, as a force multiplier, but
we let the locals do the bulk of the fighting
for us, and that was a victory. You know, by
spring two thousand and two, even though we didn't get
bin Laden, we basically had accomplished most of our strategic objectives.

(32:17):
We could have probably stayed on in a smaller, lighter
footprint role doing ct opera counter terrorism operations. But the
idea that big army then comes in and does counterinsurgency
and they're going to remake Afghanistan into Arizona. That's where
the war went off the rails. And I would argue
we stopped fighting according to our way because you know,

(32:40):
the best way to fight an insurgency or a terrorism
force is not with a big ground army that's lumbering
around the place like it's nineteen fifty. It's you want
to have a bunch of you know, highly mobile, integrated
with the local community, you know, covert specialists kind of
running amuck with bags of cash and and satellite radios

(33:01):
on horseback and a kalishtakov. That's how we that's how
we would have won and not had to be bogged
down there. But we abandoned that because, as Rumsfeldt said,
there are no more targets left to bomb, you know. Yeah, yeah,
I knew him a little bit, and he he's one
of those. He's a real confusing figure because on paper,

(33:21):
he should have been a highly successful executive, you know,
in that role, but he ended up being a disaster.
And I think part of that, though, was Paul Wolfowitz's fault,
because obviously the Undersecretary of Defense also carries a lot
of a lot of the weight, uh, you know, at
the penalty.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Oh, we'll go down memory lane today. Where is Wolford's today?
Where is the what was his name? The Viceroy Brema,
all the great guys that ran fun story.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
When my wife was at Yale, she was doing a
PhD in genetics, and so we were long distance dating.
At that point, I was working in d C. Every
weekend I would take the train up to uh to
you know, to spend time with her over the weekends
while she was doing her studies. And I ended up
on the XCELLA sitting next to I did like a
double date. That's right, he's he's sitting This was like

(34:12):
twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen. I looked at twenty fourteen, I
looked over it the guy next to me, and he
had like this salt and pepper look, and he's wearing
like this weird nineties like almost it looked like an
athletic leisure like jacket. And he's sitting there reading and
I look over at him and I go, ambassador Bremmer,
and he like looked like he was he was like,
didn't know what to expect. Ship, that's right, And he

(34:34):
looked up at me he goes yes, and I go,
I thought it was you. And then I just kind
of that's that was all I said, and I minded
my business.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, you know what's really odd. They made so much
money on those deals. They never had to go to
a think tank after that, never had the lobby.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well he didn't tell me he did actually because when
they we I got we got food. You know, you
can get food on the Essella and and I kind of,
you know, he said excuse me, and he sat back down,
and I did I did ask him. I said, are
you are you going to Connecticut? And he said no,
he was going to go up to I think it
was Hyanna Sport or somewhere. It looked like it sounded

(35:11):
like he was going to have a very lovely weekend.
And all I kept thinking of was you're effing criminal,
Like what are you doing? Like I would never show
my face again if I did what you did. You
know they used to call him. They used to call
the CPA A lot of the military guys. I know,
they used to call them children pretending to be adults CPS.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I won't tell you the guy's name, but I told
Mike this story one time back in the early nineties.
If if I had a suit and tyn, I looked
like a badass sometimes, okay, just a very bad ass.
And I walked up to a guy that was with
the Clinton administration sitting down reading his book and I
was getting a flight out of dolls. And I walked
up and I stood in front of him. I waited
for him to lift his eyes up from the book,

(35:56):
and I wanted to just say hi. You know, he
was a dick from the Clinton ad ministry. But when
I looked at him, he's he had the face of
oh ship, I'm going this guy's gonna kill.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Me for Hillary.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Nice to meet you. Do we know each other? And
I said, I think so. When I kept walking, I
can see he was wetings. Yeah, I think I told
Mike that a long time ago. Mike, you know who
the guy is. I forgot his name. But anyway, this guy,
he thought it that was his last few minutes on Earth.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's And these guys all know
they're guilty as sin. Oh yeah, you know, they all do.
I think even George W. Bush on some level, you know,
I think there's somebody.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Whoever he is. You don't see him going overseas. He
don't make speeches, he doesn't do.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Overseas because the Europeans will probably arrest him.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, Hey, let's give a shout out. Let's give
a shout out Brandon Michael to Let's give a shout
out one of the great New Yorkers. You know, he
really represented New York's first class. My buddy, Charlie Vangele
died ninety four years a long life. You know, he
was a great orator in my opinion, he was the
greatest orator in Halem at the time. I remember Charlie

(37:17):
on the hill, always happy, go lucky, you know, do
whatever he had to do. Charlie passed away, God blessed
he went to ninety four and Jerry Connolly just passed
to Brandon.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I knew, I knew.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Mike and I lived in the same area. I think
he was the you know we had. I think Moran
was our rep at the time. And who's now Don Bayer.
Don Bayer took.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Over and all his dealerships.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, no, he sold out. No, Don is Yeah, he
saw that a long time. But he was ambassador in
Switzerland under Obama and he's about as green as you
could get in the Energy department. You know, if Don
could just close off the Beltway and everybody breathed with
a mask would be okay.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, well I remember I did. I did kind
of pushback. He was this may be a little too
inside baseball, but for people who live in the DC
area in Arlington, Virginia, there with all of these and
it's usually the lefties, of which there are many there
complaining about Wow, all the loud helicopters that night and
I and his staffer was there at a meeting, and

(38:20):
I was there and he was like, we've got to
stop this. And I looked at him. I go, dude,
I go, we live in like the most targeted city
in the world. They're they're conducting cap patrols. Just you know,
tell everybody to move if they don't like it, Like,
just get.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Out of here that you moved to the area for
a reason. Just go out, go to Shantilly, go to Lesions.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But the point, the point with Arlington, which is, you know,
you remember Arlington years ago, Mike does two back in
the eighties. You know, it was like a bumped up cowtown,
you know, and then all of a sudden defense came
in and the apartments and Bolston mall, you know, and everything,
and now it's every square inch is built and it's
a built right, and they redid Marymont and all this stuff.

(39:03):
I mean, aren't you could not recognize Arlington if you
were here twenty years ago and come now? Right, But
guess who runs the whole show. It's third world. They
wanted all these immigrants. They we wanted to be multi cultural.
You have a board of directors. Nobody has proper English.
They all have broken English. And then they're bitching about everything.
But they got the richest county.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You know, they've got the richest county. And you know
there are some buildings in uh actually in Chantilly that
are they look like just regular buildings, but you go
inside and they're like these beautiful they've got fountains, and
it's like, what is going on? And then you go
in there and they're all foreigners and you think, well,

(39:43):
this has got to be an intelligence operation of some
kind ystat right, there's actually a good Afghany restaurant up
in there's up up in the Palisades area of d C.
But it just shows you, you know that we're talking
about Afghany restaurants and d see. You know, it just
shows you how how far removed from victory, uh, we

(40:05):
really were in in the global War on Terror. You know,
we've we've imported the and then there's this poor cop,
I think in Culpeper who was just shot. Yeah, and
you just look at this and you go, how do
you think that we won the global War on Terror?
And the fact is we didn't win al Qaeda, not

(40:27):
maybe not al Qaeda necessarily, but the ideology of Islamism
is on the march everywhere. It's no longer just in
a few pockets like Sudan or Afghanistan or on the front.
It's now everywhere. And uh, you know, we we handed
Afghanistan over to the Taliban. We handed Iraq over to Iran.
We've handed Syria over to a guy named Jilani who

(40:48):
killed many American troops in the Iraq War. Yes, it's
the arafatization of a Jelani, which is a non deigure.
It's not even his real name. But the point is
is that, you know, and then you look at our
own capital, which is overrun, you know, with people from

(41:10):
from these parts of the world who don't necessarily like us,
you just have to say, this is not what victory
looks like, or if it is victory, I wonder what
defeat would look.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Like, because well, you know, I wanted to maybe just
one more point on how we are preparing for wars
we fought and won. We thought, is you watch the
Pacific and they're they're they're building on Guam like we
built up the unassailable Philippines before nineteen forty, Right, and

(41:46):
I look at it and I think, now, didn't anybody
learn a lesson here?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It's it's what what what good is that going to do?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
For us?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Right? That's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I agree it We are just uncomprehensible. Incomprehensible is how
we can be so stupid.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, but it actually makes sense if you actually look
at who gets promoted to flag officer status at the Pentagon.
It's guys like it's guys like retired Emerald Kirby, right,
who was the former NSC spokesman under Biden and a
smooth talking SOB, silvertongue SOB. Now, Actually, to be clear,
I've interacted with Kirby. You know, he's he's one of
those just go along to get along guys. I don't

(42:29):
necessarily hate the guy, but I mean he's he's representative
of an entire class of officers who end up getting
promoted over the actual you know, badass mf ors who
should be getting promoted, who understand war. Those guys tend
to get either you know, cashiered out of the service
or they end up being forced to take vaccines that

(42:52):
kill them, so you know, this is or they leave
because of it. They don't want to take it. But
but this is sort of that That explains why there
is no real innovative thinking from the Pentagon. So why
also they should not be given a one trillion dollar budget.
They should start having to actually make cuts and start
you know, promoting.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
S get audited by outside people.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
That's right, that's right. But then also, by the way,
also it's our defense contractors. So like, like, if you
want to know my theory, and it's just after watching
what happened between India and Pakistan earlier this month, my
theory is that the United States, for the last thirty
forty years, we've gone from we were undefeated to yeah,

(43:35):
we lose these lower level wars, but guess what I mean,
and you know, high intensity conflict we're gonna be We're
gonna totally get them to now it's not really talked about.
Nobody wants to talk about, Hey, we're entering probably a
high intensity conflict soon. And he used to also be oh,
our technology though, man, our defense technology is so much
better that everybody to Now it's sort of like we're

(43:55):
not going to talk about that either, because it looks
like a lot of the Western technology India was using
was just completely manhandled by the cheaper, more abundant Chinese
PL fifteen missile and they're J ten and they're J seventeen.
So if you look at it, we've lost every war definitely,
I mean, we've lost since Vietnam. But but you could
in my lifetime. I would say, we've lost every war

(44:17):
since Desert Storm, uh and now and those are all
lower threshold wars, counterinsurgencies and whatnot. And now we're like
or against enemies that are definitely not on par with us.
To now we're entering the phase of high intensity conflict
and we're being led by a band of idiots, and
we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose the first major war.

(44:40):
We're going to lose at this rate because doctor Shore
or Mike, because of the because of the fact that
we have these these absolute idiots running everything in DC
and all.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I say, it's time we become Switzerland and go neutral
for a while and figure out what we want to
do it.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I thought that's what Maga was about. I thought, that's
what but gets us to is Trump actually running things
or is he a hostage? And I'm I'm beginning to know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You know, we don't get Benett, Mike and I. You
have these retired guys Mike. Mike coined it the other day,
he said, the cult of World War two. We have
these retired guys who have the cult of World War
two that neviget on Fox, that never get on alternative
media and say, hey, you know, this isn't the Vietnam
this isn't Gulf War, this isn't Desert Storm. You know,

(45:28):
let's pull back. You know, they never criticize the other officers.
I'm talking about retired officers that we know some okay
that never go out there. You know, they'll just raw
raw Trump and raw raw Michael Flynn or something, you know,
and they'll never get out there and criticize the others.
And you say to yourself, like, what the hell is this?
You know, why don't you just come out and speak.
You know, you have alternative media, you have other media

(45:50):
you can get on. No, they get on and tell you, well,
you know, Hillary Clinton sucks and this guy sucks. But
that's that's it. That's what they got. One tune, just
one freaking tune. And Israel's are NATO's are ally. I mean,
you could only vomit that crap so much.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I know, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
You know, I know you got a pension. I know
you're sitting on a board.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
It is though, that's what it is. I mean, that's
how they don't want to talk. They don't want to talk. Look, ultimately,
the bottom line is this the revolution in military affairs
has happened. We now have seen it displayed in Ukraine.
We've seen it displayed in India, Pakistan, and we don't
see we're seeing it displayed throughout the Middle East where
the freaking houfies now are out matching a supposedly modern

(46:34):
military news.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
So it's so cool to watch that it just blows you.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
And by the way, they they've proven also my thesis.
So I was accused last year of waging a quote
jihad against the aircraft carrier, and you know, I just
I went to the Navy guy that's been spamming me
for years about my anti aircraft art carrier articles and
I just sent him the artor call that you know,

(47:01):
the HARRIEUS Truman was basically limping out of the region
because they were so scared about the Hoothy missile anti
ship ballistic missiles, which, by the way, we now know
China was using their satellites to help the hooth these
range the aircraft career. So my point here is all
of our systems are irrelevant and obsolete. Almost all of

(47:21):
our major systems are prime to fight as as doctor
Shores Mike said, they're prime to fight World War Two.
The aircraft area is basically a souped up World War
Two vehicle. That's what it is. The military. The revolution
of military fairs today is hypersonic. It is drone swarms
coming out your rear end, like there's no tomorrow. Aerial drones,

(47:46):
ground based drones, on manned sea drones. That's the way forward.
It's it's integrating with and I'm very I'm very dubious
about AI, and I don't like, but ultimately, from a
strategic perspective, it is about integrating these with AI.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And it's also, by the way, about UH the revolution
in space space technology, and and nobody's talking about space
except the Chinese. The Chinese are going to hit us
in space. It's going to be a space pearl harbor first.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
China and South Korea right now, big time in AI,
I mean American China at South Korea. And what would
happen with the conflict. Brandon we forget. I remember what
was his name, Mike, that big glut. He was a
Navy guy. During he went to tell Mushara, if hey listen,
if you don't join us, will blow you off the map.
I forgot, you know, what I'm talking about. He was

(48:37):
a Navy seal Brandon, he worked with the Reagan and
Bush looked like a wrestler.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
For some reason. All I'm thinking of his Oliver North
and that's not.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, well this guy he threatened if he said he
if you don't join us in the war, you know,
we'll just take Pakistan. That we forget that. Pakistan is
very good friends with China. The last conflict, you know,
with China and India. Everybody forgets that even though Pakistan
works with us when they need to or have to. Uh,
China is there. They have the big port.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Now, yeah, I mean so we built up by the way,
that was the port we built up for to support
operations in Afghanistan. So we gifted another asset to China.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Well, we just know your point is, your point is
very excellent.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
On the.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Aircraft carriers, you know, the battle the battleship was obsolete
on the day of Pearl Harbor. Yes, and they built
more of them. But they were effective in bombing the
crap out of Japanese islands, but they.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Didn't as important right right and now.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
With everybody on Earth having submarines, I can't understand how
they think there's.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Well, let's let's let's do what Brandon just said about
souped up. Let's just do this. Say we're looking at
a Ford Galaxy and make them believe it's a Mustang.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's right, that's right. And the crazy thing is even
of those systems, we can't build enough of them. Now
that's another thing, is there is a you want to
talk about a crisis in this country. You look at
our naval shipyards and I've been tracking, I mean, just
look at so I've been doing a lot of expose's
on the absolute just chaos pit that has been the

(50:19):
new Constellation class destroyer that that that the Navy started
building in twenty twenty. They partnered with the Italian maker Finkintariea. Yeah,
and it's a disaster. It's a disaster. They they basically,

(50:39):
after they cut the steel for the hall, the Navy
came in typical acquisitions at the Pentagon and said, actually,
we're gonna redesign this and do that, and basically they
ended up being stuck with a ship that now on
on paper is too big for the hall that's been cut.
So now that you know, it's just it's it's one
thing after another. And meanwhile, well, this is a friend

(51:01):
of mine who used to run factories out in China
for the last thirty years, a guy named Dan Collins.
He told me when I talked to him on Friday,
he said, you know that as of this year, China
has produced more ships domestically in the last I think
year or two years than the entire US Navy produced

(51:23):
in all of World War Two. Now that you know
the navy guys, I know, yeah, but you know they
don't have the quality. Well, that's bullshit, with all due respect,
with all due respect, you know, at some point, by
the way, just by this is how it works. You
start building something enough times, you're going through the iterative process,
going to create quality products. But second of all, that

(51:45):
no longer holds true, this claim that well they have
quantity over quality, because we now know, in the example
of India Pakistan, the weapons systems the Pakistanis were using
were not only cheaper than their Western counterparts, but they,
guess what, are almost as effective and almost as technically
complex as the French systems that were being used by
the Indians. So that tells me that actually, you do

(52:09):
enough quantity, quality comes in on its.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Own and it does indeed.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, And so the China.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Just go to the Middle East and look at the
electric cars. Just go to the Middle East to Gulf.
When I was there, every other car was a Chinese
electric car. The only one I saw that was competitive
to the Chinese brand was some kind of ford. It
was in between let's say, one of these little echoes
and like an escape. It's a nice design, nicer than't

(52:40):
we have here. But that was the only electric vehicle
I seen pull up to our hotel. And everything else
was Chinese. I mean, there was knockoffs of a Jeep
and so on and so forth, but all the electric
cars there are Chinese, yep.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And that's you know, that's how it is. And by
the way, the real reason the Tesla stock price has
been collapsing the lineast few months, or it's been correcting,
it's not because of Elon Musk politics. It's because the
Chinese electric firm by d is Yes, Tesla's lunch. And
that's the real reason.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Also, did Tesla looks like an anteater? Now? I mean
it's enough change the body style already, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, no, I'm just on sure principle I'll never own one.
But Uh, yeah, you know, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Just I have to hear the engine with fuel.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah. Well, and it's just there's something weird. You know
what happens if an EMP goes off. You know what
happens if something catastrophic happens. You know you're you're calling em.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
We have that. We have e MP shield on our website.
Two mikes dot us get one for your car, you home,
you boat, whatever, because you know what, if it does
go off, you'll be able to get home or you'll
be able to get to where you have to go.
And guess what if it does go off, and let's
say the grid gets back on the next amount of days,
all your appliances are safe. Now just think about the

(54:00):
Remember when we had COVID, right, you couldn't get toilet
paper and all these other things everybody's online. Imagine having
to get appliances after an MP. Think about that.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Look, let's be real though. I mean not to write
on the parade here, but you know, if an EMP
goes off, that's a prelude to a much bigger problem.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And I don't think, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't think of us are going to make it.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And you know I talked to my wife, what about
my ATM.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
But no, that actually sounds like a cool device. Though
I actually saw an ad for that recently. That does
sound like a cool device. But I mean, my my
view is from a you know, a survival. You know,
if that happens, look it's over, and you know I'm
ready to go up with the Lord. Then at that point,
may not even you know, I.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Mean, before we closed, before we close, let's talk to
our Christian friends on that. Listen to the show, by
the way, the Rapture. Guys, you're going to have to
read that again. Take the Schoolfield Bible movie, so I
get another one. You'll find out you'll be in the tribulation,
no problem. And our friend, a good friend of ours
that comes on our show all the time, Minister Fred Colter,

(55:07):
who said, hey, Colonel Mike, don't worry about it. We
got to get to herfers. And as soon as that
temple is built, don't worry, God's going to destroy and
there's the big war. So wait for the temple. And
then the big war.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Comes there we go, Well, they're already building it, and
I would, I would you know they're talking about well,
they're talking about breeding the red red heifer using bio attack. Well,
I would just say, you know, i've you know, I am.
I am friendly to Israel, but I do not believe
the Chosen people anymore or the Israelis. If you know
the Bible, the Church, the Church is the Chosen.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
They don't want to read.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Church is the Chosen.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And we welcome, you know, the Church welcomes you know
all you can come join us, you convert, but ultimately,
with all due respect, the Chosen as the Church. It's
not anyway anyway. I know that's that's not that's not
polite to say, but that you know, that's that's the truth.
And but you know, we will see. I am. I

(56:05):
do believe that Trump is a hostage on some level,
and that's very scary. And I think he should meet
with Putin and refuse any tea.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
No tea, Yes, just have coffee, right, but he doesn't
even drink Coffee's die coke, all right. And for those
people in Europe and in Ukraine, just remember all the
things you want to say and do against Putin. He
has the best tea. He will give you a cup
of tea that you'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
That's right, that's right. Look, we have no business being
in Ukraine. The whole thing is and you know, I
hope that my prediction that ultimately Trump will come to
his senses and just walk away, I hope that that
comes true, because otherwise the alternative is we're in World
War three and like I said, we're not going to win.
We're not going to win this one.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
So it's amazing for this great Republic to be in
the hands still all these years later of Woodrow Wilson.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
That's right, you know, the most evil man president.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
That was the first time. It wasn't Joe Biden. His wife.
Wilson's wife ran the show, right.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, But but just to be clear, the most evil
man in the twentieth century was Woodrow Wilson. Is there
is nobody whose negative impact has been felt everywhere for
a century after his death that like the way that
it has been other than Woodrow Wilson, You could say,
I think a close second maybe Lenin, But Wilson and
Lenin there's a couple for you.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
You know, there's a man who just published the new
biography of Wilson, and it claims that he was a
champion of racial equality in this country.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Can you imagine eugenics?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Not only that he was born in post Civil War South,
he was he was imbued in a deep hatred of
African Americans. By the way, these are our progressive Israeli
French agree what he said about the Jews because he
was pretty clear about where It's like he was no
friend and so, uh, you know, this was a this
was an awful person. And I mean, we're really still

(58:12):
living in Woodrow Wilson's world, and.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
We and they have the museum in Washington right next
to the embassies. You know, it's in Massa Avenue. They
have the Wilson mu See, yeah, Brandon, I think it's
right down the street from Bezos's house.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I'm sure it is. And I skip. I skipped that museum.
Whenever I'm up there with the kids.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I hate to go to Stanton, you know, because.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
They got they got the they got the other thing
out in Stanton. You're right, because he was born.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, all right, let's wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Thanks so much, appreciate it, and you're always welcome here.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Thanks, thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Oh and by the way, uh, real quick, I just
you don't have to include this in the recording, but
one of them, Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
We lost him? Come on, hit the button?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (59:02):
No, I'm here, Mike.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Do you see him?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Well anyway, give it to me, Brandon. I okay, So
I one of my side hustles is I.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Produce we lost you start from the beginning. I'm sorry,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Oh, I was just saying. One of my side hustles
that I have is I produce at the Lindell TV's network. Yeah,
Abara Robinson's show. I would love to get both of
you guys on with her to talk about.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I think I think I think somebody somebody contacted her
to come on when.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Right now, you know she's she's basically running the net.
Don't don't include this though in the in the broadcast,
but you know she's basically running the network right now
while they transition, so she's she's not really doing any
get but you know, for the show. I mean, I'm
happy if you guys ever have anything you want to say,
and the president does, I'm told watch her show. So
if you guys ever want to you know, just let

(59:59):
me know you got my email. I would love to
have both of you guys, or either of you guys
come on and uh you know, she she, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Let's do it. Let's do it. Mike is great on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah yeah, So I'll email you and and we would
love to have you on, and just give me some
dates and times and I'll make it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
All right, Thanks so much, Brand appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
You guys have a good one. Bye bye bye
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