August 14, 2025 • 26 mins
On this fiery episode of Two Mikes, Dr. Michael Scheuer and Col. Mike sit down for a blunt conversation with Dimitri Makarov, senior assistant to the Russian Foreign Minister, who drops a geopolitical bombshell: Moscow is done playing nice with the West. Makarov calls out the U.S. and NATO for engineering the Ukraine crisis through regime change, backing Zelensky’s corrupt regime, and igniting war by ignoring Russia’s legitimate security concerns. He unloads harsh words for Trump’s flip-flopping on Ukraine, accusing him of bowing once again to a defunct NATO agenda. Makarov makes it clear—Russia will finish this war on its own terms, with or without the West, and Washington’s opinion is now irrelevant unless it wakes up from its neocon-induced coma.
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in a while. I think our last guest was Fred
(01:37):
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And if if you haven't seen our latest show with
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Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's a great one. Why were you born?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So today we're gonna go way way is away many
hours away. We're gonna bring back our friend who's been
with us. Oh gosh, I don't know, Mike, when was.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The last time we had him? On twenty four? Must
be must be there, all right, twenty.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Four we got Dmitri back. Makarov is with us, you know, Dmitri.
Every time we try to nail it down. You know,
we're not hunt you know, we're not the Tucker callson.
I get it, you know what I mean. But every
time we try to nail it down with you, and
we do appreciate you trying to break his chops.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You know, Lavrov is busy.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's there, he's here, he's at bricks, you know whatever.
So we're gonna have to just grill you on the
show today on you know, what's what's going on? With
bricks and lava. You know, I spoke about Lavarov the
other day with Mike. You know, he's such a fine
you know, I don't know, he's just he's the coolest
diplomat out there, you know what I mean. He flies
(02:50):
here and there, and you're a deputy press guy out there,
so you know, for the the UH spokespeople. So tell
us a little bit about you know, what's he think
about since I run, let's say, or you know, bbi's
now food poisoning.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What do you think? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
What's what's the chatter over there? And tell me what
this Saturday night popcorn stuff is going on.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Hello guys, I'm glad to be with you again. Yes,
very good, very good. Almost done here with the work.
About time to go home here in Moscow. Well, to
answer your first question, Iran, well, it's it's a complicated situation.
You know, we we were working with them, and we
(03:35):
told you guys, we're doing everything we can to help
them develop peaceful nuclear technology and we have, as you know,
we have over two hundred people that are working are
Russian citizens on the ground, and there is this this
(04:00):
this one moment that can happen at any time as
if if any of them get hurt by your guys
or Israel's rockets. You know, we've been we've been clear
about this. If if that happens, that's that's going to
(04:22):
escalate that that whole neighborhood real quick.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Let me ask you to meet you. Do you do
you guys get the call?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I mean, I don't know if you could tell us,
do you get the call from America like get your
people out of there when these things happen.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We well, of course these calls happen between our top echelon,
but they're not as much as you know, get the
guys out there. They're more like, we're we're about to
hit here, and if you're here at this time, then
(05:03):
it's on you. And we understand that. We we work
around it, you know, of course. But you have to remember,
you know, all all these very important technologies, they have
been moved already. You know, all these places that have
been hit before, they're not there. They weren't there. They
(05:25):
you you were kind enough to tell us where you're
going to hit, and we were kind enough to help
the Iranians to move it from there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So do you think we're going to get a summit.
Do you think we'll ever going to get a summit?
I think Mike would know better a summit between Putin
and Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, what is this? What is he going to
come to the White House? You know, we have all
these other people come here.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's you. You. You're too busy welcoming Syrian terrorists in
the White House, you know, no time for putting. And
this is editors. Yes, I mean, well, you know, I
I honestly do not think that the meeting at White
(06:12):
House will ever happen with Trump pan putting maybe with
future leaders. But the hostilities have come, have crossed so
many red lines that at this point, you know, and
you you might you might even notice yourselves how flip
floppy your president is. You know, it can be one
(06:35):
day this and the other day that, and yesterday was
the other thing. So you know, you never know. And
this is not how serious politics works. You know. This
is more like some theater show, you know, like circus.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
For Let me ask you this, Let me ask you, Yeah,
neat ya, who just got food poisoning?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Mike? You know that right?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, okaynatign got food poison I'm just curious because you
guys are famous with the Russian tea room. Do you
think somebody stuck a tea bag in his tea or something?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Was that one of your tea bags? Tetley t bags
of Russia?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
There is a interesting Uh are you aware of what
T bag means?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No? Go ahead tell me.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
No, you just google it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So let me ask on the road, how do you
guys operate with the two three guys you have over there?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
We're trying to get him on.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know, I know we're not Tucker Carlson and we're
not Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, we're two mikes. We're a lot better in
my opinion anyway. Tucker's good, but you know we're two.
He's one.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
How do we get this guy lavrof? I mean we
you know, we like what he's doing. He goes around,
he has these conversations. He's not a mad dog.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
By the way. Did he meet with Rubio yet?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I didn't even look at that by any chance to
Metri did he meet with Rubio or was he like
I'll take a pass?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Uh? Well, I mean they've met uh at uh In
in Turkey, But I don't I don't think there is
anything planned so far as far as you know ted.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But maybe Mike, what do you think, Mike U went
in September.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Well, it's hard to avoid that one, I guess if
it happens.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But I don't blame him.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
We've been we've been screwing around in that stupid country
Ukraine now for what four years and causing unending grief
to the to the Russians, uh for simply wanting to
protect their people. So I wouldn't blame rav Or or
mister Putin for not wanting to talk to us in
(08:53):
any formal manner.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I know the will, the will is there, but you know,
we have to we have to really look at what
what happens in your political circles. You know, it's just
what is the point of anything to talk about? Even
it can be even on paper. You know, we can
sign some documents and agreements, but you know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
They're they're worthless signing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We don't have anybody, you know, they're.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Not working the paper they're signed on.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Let me ask you this, Mike.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What is the name of the place that they were
fighting over don boss?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What is the what is the boss? Mike? Is that
like a region there there?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
It's eastern Ukraine?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, easter to So now when you enter the don
Boss area, do they have a new sign of says
dumb ass Olenski lives here or something.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
How does this work?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Do you have like a cross or you have to
lift the bar to get the cars across, like a
like a guard rail, like going across the border. I mean,
this is this is costing us, you know, billions of dollars,
and I'm sure it's costing you guys as much money too.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Exactly. Well, Dambas is officially now on the Russian constitution,
so we have taken in these areas, so we constitutionally
they are Russian Federation. Now they're not Ukraine according to Russia. Yeah,
which is why there's gonna be no levy there. We're
(10:22):
not backing down. We're going all the way. And we've
been firm about this from the very beginning, you know.
I mean it was eight years. For eight years, we've
endured all that in that area, and we kept saying, no,
this is Ukraine. You guys are part of Ukraine, even
(10:44):
though they tried to join us many times. But at
last when we did say okay, all right, if this
is what needs to happen, it happens. We signed the
papers and now they're part of Russia, and there's never
go and be a time we're gonna just change that
constitution back and say no, never mind, we were just joking. No,
(11:06):
this is it. This is it's a done deal, Prime
and the four years in Eastern Ukraine are now Russia officially.
You can like you can hear it?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yes, go ahead, go ahead, continue.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I'm sorry, No, no, I mean it doesn't matter like
you know, if Google Maps updates it or not. You know,
this is out of Russia and you can deal with it.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, let me this is very important. I see these youtubes.
I don't know if Mike watches and I do. I
see these youtubes of life in Russia Friday Saturday night.
You know, people walk around Saint Petersburg, you know, nice
lifestyle like used to be in Europe years ago America, right, Mike, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife,
families sitting down cafes. You know, is this like some
(11:53):
propaganda thing that they're putting out.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
There on the YouTube? Was this reality? Truthfully? Tell me truth?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
There are plenty of even expats from America who live
in Russia and no one messes with them. No, one
discriminates them. If if you come to Russia and you
have nothing but good intentions, then you're gonna be treated
just as good as as old as the other citizenry. Okay,
(12:24):
this is as simple as that. The streets are clean, safe,
there's no protests. They're gonna, you know, burn your car
down or you know, block your pathway from going because
you eat meat or something. None of that happens here.
It's it's really the last domino that stands up for
(12:46):
the civilization. Looking at what's happening in the West, it's
it's honestly painful because it's.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I see, it looks like it reminds me of America.
What nineteen sixties?
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Mike, Yeah, it just looks squared away more than any
other European capitals you get. You see, it looks like
a squared away place. And like Dmitri said, it's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Hey do you guys, do you guys follow anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I'm sure you guys are clocking people on X and
you guys are monitoring.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Is there any side?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm sure you guys listen or watch us because I.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Know we can't.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
We communicate time to time, and you look at what
we're writing on X. Is there any other sites that
you that you monitor or you watch on X?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Of course we watch everything. We watch all the sides. Okay,
everybody is uh being watched?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Can you name one or two that you you know,
you guys are really into watching because there's a lot
of pro Russian things on X.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, of course we watch both sides. Obviously we're not
just watch you know what feels good. But yeah, this, uh,
the Swan guy stands out. I think his uh his
name is Mark Dwain or something like that. He's a
he's an interesting character. I mean the show. He's always
(14:15):
welcome to visit. Maybe he likes it so much he'll stay.
But if he will have no problem visiting, I can.
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The only problem is you got to get his ass
off the reservation. He's on a reservation. It's hard for him.
He's up in Montana, you know, Western America. But he
could go through a last year, it's closer to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You, guys, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And uh, yeah, you can go visit volleyball stock. It's
not that far from there.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, that's a good He needs an extra cold pill. Anyway, right, Mike.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Square squa what else?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What else? What else? Anybody?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I know you guys are probably watching Tucker, right.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Oh, talker, of course, Yes, he's he's a very he's
a great guy. Sure we you know we we specifically.
What's notable is he's uh, he's a man of his convictions.
He stays true to his course. And when when when
(15:18):
when you're mister Trump, when on his second term he
uh failed on his promises yet again?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Many, not most, but many his supporters that are public
figures were making excuses for him. But Tucker and a
few others they stayed true and they held him accountabone.
That's admirable.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
So so he's welcome. You know. I like saying I
look at Saint Petersburg. I think it's a beautiful city,
beautiful architecture, and so on. One day I should get there.
I don't know when, but I'd like to do it
during the warm season. I don't need to go in
the snow.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right, Oh, it's verybody else anybody else ring a bell?
Can you tell us like a Tucker? Two mics? You
just said, Mark Twain, are you guys watching anybody else?
You see the Israeli propaganda on X right, you see
what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Of course? Yes, it's what can you say? I mean,
if you if you notice it? Did you know there
is this new term noticing?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, yes, everybody's doing noticing now. It's like the awoken,
it's awakening awakening.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I I recently just found out about this. I mean
because I follow you know, English channels, English profiles.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Do you follow? Do you follow Canadians too?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Because Canadians I mean that's basically your fifty first state, right, well, no,
fifty second fifty Ukraine. But yes, yes I do. Of course.
Did you want me to name somebody or do.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You have somebody? Do you do you monitor the Prime Minister?
Who else you monitor sports?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yes? Mister that he You know, he's an inspirational actor,
I'll be honest. Is the way he can put on
the tears and and the sad face and it's just wow, man.
You know he would have been a great hollowood guy.
But you know what about this guy, uh Bolton? You know,
(17:36):
he's he's an interesting guy. Yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How do you spell that? What's his name?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Uh? You know Bolton? Like in the Game of Thrones.
Yes his name, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh you you're monstered it are you watching? So is
Putin having?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Putin still having the weekend popcorn Saturday Night Live running
the commercial of American policy and Trump, you know, make
America great again?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
What is the last bill we had, Mike? Build back better? Right,
build that better?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And you guys are really breaking chops with this bricks thing.
You're driving us nuts. What's with this bricks?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I mean it only makes sense right when you when
the West is trying to keep the the other the
rest of the world pinned down and tarifft and text
and all that. At some point, at some point in time,
you know, the the pendulum swings back. And that's that's
(18:40):
basically what that is.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So that I would like you, I think it'll be
up to Mike today. We did a show yesterday live
on America Outlove dot News on National Security. Out with
with the gentleman who's an economist from the Mecisons two
M I S. E. S. Dot Org, who's going to
do a debate, a debate a couple of days about
(19:03):
these tariffs. He's got to debate a guy that's pro tariff,
he's not terriff he's anti tariff because tariffs are just taxes,
you know on American people. They make it sound like, yeah,
I collected all this money. No, no, no, you know,
we're just going to do that. Right, So if you tomorrow,
I guess it's too late there, but maybe tomorrow you
could check out America out loud, dot News National Security.
We did a whole show about this tariffs. What a
(19:24):
really smart guy economists from Misi Sinster right, Mike, Yep,
he's thinking and he's thinking of running for president. You're
gonna want you want to you may want to do
that with your guys that passed it to Lavrov and say, hey,
look at this guy.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now it's a long shot. I mean it's like a
horse race, you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Know, and he got eighteen horses in a race, and
you know he's in the last place, coming up, you know, wherever.
But uh, he's got something to say that's really interested
about economics, and uh.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I mean, well, we don't want to ruin his chances
of presidency. If them that would be enough to say collusion, collusion,
maybe you could say.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You hate them.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, hey yeah, talking about collusion. Wow, we can't finish
the show without that. Mike, So, what do you guys
think now that you're you're basically exonerated that you guys
it was it was Obama, wasn't you guys that did
the Russia clusion Russia hoax? How do you guys feel
about that? Did you break out the good vodka?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, no, we did not, because you know, don't don't
take it the wrong way, but we really don't care
what you guys think about Russians. You know, if you
if it was it was clear, you know, everyone understood
kind of like from the beginning, you know, whoever was
pushing that, there was ulterior moment, moments and motives and
(20:53):
if if Now you know what's remarkable right now is
that even though it's been out in the open for
so long and people are being I think I've seen
something about people being indicted for it, or maybe charges
of being drawn up. Your FBI director Komi came out
(21:16):
or ex director came out with some message that I
think he's feeling the heat around the corner basically, and
this is like his plea to the people, someone please
do something, basically is what he's saying, right that stop
this because I'm about to go to jail. I mean,
it's still you know, you have still people believing that
(21:38):
it was a collusion and Trump is a Russian agent.
This is crazy, you know, Like I.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Know, you guys were checking the beds in the hotels.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
There was no no woman doing golden showers on the beds.
Imagine that, of all the things to say about the president,
he was taking golden showers in Moscow.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, it was Yes, he wasn't all right. Well so
if he was, it would have been.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You guys would have had the videos. You guys would
have had the videos. Come on, you got you got
members walls.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Don't even talk, you know what I mean. I mean,
that's your specialty. Right, let's racing, Dimitri. It's always good
to have you on Mike. Give them a less whatever
you got.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
To talk because listen, please send regards to Lava, tell
them we still want to be I may have to
go to the u N with Mike in September and
get this live interview like we do. What will you
becoming this September or your associates will be.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Here, probably associates. I have a lot going on in
Moscow right now.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Okay, I know you guys are busy. Michael, ahead, Yeah,
I just.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Wanted to thank you again. Our listeners really enjoy having
you on and it makes a sense of humor with
deadly seriousness, which I guess is.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Pretty much one more question, Mike, more question.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Now, Remember George Bush once said when he met Putin
he looked in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Something about that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So since George Bush is on the wagon in Texas,
he doesn't come on, he doesn't come out of wherever
he is because obviously he's a war criminal.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
But has he communicated with Putin?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Is there anything that you know about that? Maybe love
Roth and Putin communicated with George W.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well back in George W times. Of course we were
actually uh, we were really trying to be a friends, guys,
you know, we're really trying.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We were guess whatever, it was the Ford pickup that
did it right?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Maybe uh yeah, you could see the smile on mister
Button's face. He was he was really happy to write there.
But no old jokes have said, you know, of course
we had we had the pickups already in Russia, trust me, No,
I mean was it was really the time of of
(24:04):
a pure good will, you know, towards the West. We
we we did whatever we could to to meet you,
to meet you, you know, all the way almost you know,
not even halfway. We were going to meet you all
the way with all your terms. We were we were
even offering ourselves into NATO. Also, I think you think
(24:27):
you know about that too, we were denied. You know,
you'd rather have Ukraine in NATO than Russia, right, I mean,
why would you want Russia? It's just too weak. Ukraine
is what you need. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it. I
mean when when you look at that, when you prefer
Ukraine but not Russia, Like, what does it? What does
(24:47):
it tell you about the nature of the beast, right,
It's it's stupid.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well, well, Germany's collapsing.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, they think that they could but they could
singlely handle take Russia. But I want to I want
to comp I want to compliment Russia because as the
Germans shut down their Volkswagen plants, I forgot to mention
that early, Mike, as the Germans shut down their Volkswegen plants,
Russia opened the door and they're running their Volkswagen plants
on three shifts. So now you get a Russian Volkswagen
(25:18):
instead of a German Volkswegen, which I think is ridiculous,
but it's okay. I don't know if you guys are
if they're even allowed in, you know, with the sanctions
we have, but Russian made volkswagens are running around Europe,
which is just hilarious that the Germans would you know,
cut their face off despite their nose.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Anyway, Dmitri, thank you. Have a good dinner or whatever
you're going to have at this hour. You appreciate your
call already.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You all, and keep in touch, keep in touch. Let's
get you back on.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Please try to get them on. If we can get
them on in August before the UN meetings, okay, it
would be really great.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Sure we will try, all right, thank you, good not
by
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(01:37):
which thank you Fred again once again his producer gets
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puts in the pictures. You know, he just makes life
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And if if you haven't seen our latest show with
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Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's a great one. Why were you born?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So today we're gonna go way way is away many
hours away. We're gonna bring back our friend who's been
with us. Oh gosh, I don't know, Mike, when was.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The last time we had him? On twenty four? Must
be must be there, all right, twenty.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Four we got Dmitri back. Makarov is with us, you know, Dmitri.
Every time we try to nail it down. You know,
we're not hunt you know, we're not the Tucker callson.
I get it, you know what I mean. But every
time we try to nail it down with you, and
we do appreciate you trying to break his chops.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You know, Lavrov is busy.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's there, he's here, he's at bricks, you know whatever.
So we're gonna have to just grill you on the
show today on you know, what's what's going on? With
bricks and lava. You know, I spoke about Lavarov the
other day with Mike. You know, he's such a fine
you know, I don't know, he's just he's the coolest
diplomat out there, you know what I mean. He flies
(02:50):
here and there, and you're a deputy press guy out there,
so you know, for the the UH spokespeople. So tell
us a little bit about you know, what's he think
about since I run, let's say, or you know, bbi's
now food poisoning.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
What do you think? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
What's what's the chatter over there? And tell me what
this Saturday night popcorn stuff is going on.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Hello guys, I'm glad to be with you again. Yes,
very good, very good. Almost done here with the work.
About time to go home here in Moscow. Well, to
answer your first question, Iran, well, it's it's a complicated situation.
You know, we we were working with them, and we
(03:35):
told you guys, we're doing everything we can to help
them develop peaceful nuclear technology and we have, as you know,
we have over two hundred people that are working are
Russian citizens on the ground, and there is this this
(04:00):
this one moment that can happen at any time as
if if any of them get hurt by your guys
or Israel's rockets. You know, we've been we've been clear
about this. If if that happens, that's that's going to
(04:22):
escalate that that whole neighborhood real quick.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Let me ask you to meet you. Do you do
you guys get the call?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I mean, I don't know if you could tell us,
do you get the call from America like get your
people out of there when these things happen.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We well, of course these calls happen between our top echelon,
but they're not as much as you know, get the
guys out there. They're more like, we're we're about to
hit here, and if you're here at this time, then
(05:03):
it's on you. And we understand that. We we work
around it, you know, of course. But you have to remember,
you know, all all these very important technologies, they have
been moved already. You know, all these places that have
been hit before, they're not there. They weren't there. They
(05:25):
you you were kind enough to tell us where you're
going to hit, and we were kind enough to help
the Iranians to move it from there.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So do you think we're going to get a summit.
Do you think we'll ever going to get a summit?
I think Mike would know better a summit between Putin
and Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, what is this? What is he going to
come to the White House? You know, we have all
these other people come here.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's you. You. You're too busy welcoming Syrian terrorists in
the White House, you know, no time for putting. And
this is editors. Yes, I mean, well, you know, I
I honestly do not think that the meeting at White
(06:12):
House will ever happen with Trump pan putting maybe with
future leaders. But the hostilities have come, have crossed so
many red lines that at this point, you know, and
you you might you might even notice yourselves how flip
floppy your president is. You know, it can be one
(06:35):
day this and the other day that, and yesterday was
the other thing. So you know, you never know. And
this is not how serious politics works. You know. This
is more like some theater show, you know, like circus.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
For Let me ask you this, Let me ask you, Yeah,
neat ya, who just got food poisoning?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Mike? You know that right?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, okaynatign got food poison I'm just curious because you
guys are famous with the Russian tea room. Do you
think somebody stuck a tea bag in his tea or something?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Was that one of your tea bags? Tetley t bags
of Russia?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
There is a interesting Uh are you aware of what
T bag means?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No? Go ahead tell me.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
No, you just google it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So let me ask on the road, how do you
guys operate with the two three guys you have over there?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
We're trying to get him on.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know, I know we're not Tucker Carlson and we're
not Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, we're two mikes. We're a lot better in
my opinion anyway. Tucker's good, but you know we're two.
He's one.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
How do we get this guy lavrof? I mean we
you know, we like what he's doing. He goes around,
he has these conversations. He's not a mad dog.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
By the way. Did he meet with Rubio yet?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I didn't even look at that by any chance to
Metri did he meet with Rubio or was he like
I'll take a pass?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Uh? Well, I mean they've met uh at uh In
in Turkey, But I don't I don't think there is
anything planned so far as far as you know ted.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But maybe Mike, what do you think, Mike U went
in September.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Well, it's hard to avoid that one, I guess if
it happens.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But I don't blame him.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
We've been we've been screwing around in that stupid country
Ukraine now for what four years and causing unending grief
to the to the Russians, uh for simply wanting to
protect their people. So I wouldn't blame rav Or or
mister Putin for not wanting to talk to us in
(08:53):
any formal manner.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I know the will, the will is there, but you know,
we have to we have to really look at what
what happens in your political circles. You know, it's just
what is the point of anything to talk about? Even
it can be even on paper. You know, we can
sign some documents and agreements, but you know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
They're they're worthless signing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We don't have anybody, you know, they're.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Not working the paper they're signed on.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Let me ask you this, Mike.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What is the name of the place that they were
fighting over don boss?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
What is the what is the boss? Mike? Is that
like a region there there?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
It's eastern Ukraine?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, easter to So now when you enter the don
Boss area, do they have a new sign of says
dumb ass Olenski lives here or something.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
How does this work?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Do you have like a cross or you have to
lift the bar to get the cars across, like a
like a guard rail, like going across the border. I mean,
this is this is costing us, you know, billions of dollars,
and I'm sure it's costing you guys as much money too.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Exactly. Well, Dambas is officially now on the Russian constitution,
so we have taken in these areas, so we constitutionally
they are Russian Federation. Now they're not Ukraine according to Russia. Yeah,
which is why there's gonna be no levy there. We're
(10:22):
not backing down. We're going all the way. And we've
been firm about this from the very beginning, you know.
I mean it was eight years. For eight years, we've
endured all that in that area, and we kept saying, no,
this is Ukraine. You guys are part of Ukraine, even
(10:44):
though they tried to join us many times. But at
last when we did say okay, all right, if this
is what needs to happen, it happens. We signed the
papers and now they're part of Russia, and there's never
go and be a time we're gonna just change that
constitution back and say no, never mind, we were just joking. No,
(11:06):
this is it. This is it's a done deal, Prime
and the four years in Eastern Ukraine are now Russia officially.
You can like you can hear it?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yes, go ahead, go ahead, continue.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I'm sorry, No, no, I mean it doesn't matter like
you know, if Google Maps updates it or not. You know,
this is out of Russia and you can deal with it.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, let me this is very important. I see these youtubes.
I don't know if Mike watches and I do. I
see these youtubes of life in Russia Friday Saturday night.
You know, people walk around Saint Petersburg, you know, nice
lifestyle like used to be in Europe years ago America, right, Mike, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife,
families sitting down cafes. You know, is this like some
(11:53):
propaganda thing that they're putting out.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
There on the YouTube? Was this reality? Truthfully? Tell me truth?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
There are plenty of even expats from America who live
in Russia and no one messes with them. No, one
discriminates them. If if you come to Russia and you
have nothing but good intentions, then you're gonna be treated
just as good as as old as the other citizenry. Okay,
(12:24):
this is as simple as that. The streets are clean, safe,
there's no protests. They're gonna, you know, burn your car
down or you know, block your pathway from going because
you eat meat or something. None of that happens here.
It's it's really the last domino that stands up for
(12:46):
the civilization. Looking at what's happening in the West, it's
it's honestly painful because it's.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I see, it looks like it reminds me of America.
What nineteen sixties?
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Mike, Yeah, it just looks squared away more than any
other European capitals you get. You see, it looks like
a squared away place. And like Dmitri said, it's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Hey do you guys, do you guys follow anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I'm sure you guys are clocking people on X and
you guys are monitoring.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Is there any side?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'm sure you guys listen or watch us because I.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Know we can't.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
We communicate time to time, and you look at what
we're writing on X. Is there any other sites that
you that you monitor or you watch on X?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Of course we watch everything. We watch all the sides. Okay,
everybody is uh being watched?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Can you name one or two that you you know,
you guys are really into watching because there's a lot
of pro Russian things on X.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, of course we watch both sides. Obviously we're not
just watch you know what feels good. But yeah, this, uh,
the Swan guy stands out. I think his uh his
name is Mark Dwain or something like that. He's a
he's an interesting character. I mean the show. He's always
(14:15):
welcome to visit. Maybe he likes it so much he'll stay.
But if he will have no problem visiting, I can.
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The only problem is you got to get his ass
off the reservation. He's on a reservation. It's hard for him.
He's up in Montana, you know, Western America. But he
could go through a last year, it's closer to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You, guys, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And uh, yeah, you can go visit volleyball stock. It's
not that far from there.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, that's a good He needs an extra cold pill. Anyway, right, Mike.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Square squa what else?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
What else? What else? Anybody?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I know you guys are probably watching Tucker, right.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Oh, talker, of course, Yes, he's he's a very he's
a great guy. Sure we you know we we specifically.
What's notable is he's uh, he's a man of his convictions.
He stays true to his course. And when when when
(15:18):
when you're mister Trump, when on his second term he
uh failed on his promises yet again?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Many, not most, but many his supporters that are public
figures were making excuses for him. But Tucker and a
few others they stayed true and they held him accountabone.
That's admirable.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
So so he's welcome. You know. I like saying I
look at Saint Petersburg. I think it's a beautiful city,
beautiful architecture, and so on. One day I should get there.
I don't know when, but I'd like to do it
during the warm season. I don't need to go in
the snow.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right, Oh, it's verybody else anybody else ring a bell?
Can you tell us like a Tucker? Two mics? You
just said, Mark Twain, are you guys watching anybody else?
You see the Israeli propaganda on X right, you see
what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Of course? Yes, it's what can you say? I mean,
if you if you notice it? Did you know there
is this new term noticing?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, yes, everybody's doing noticing now. It's like the awoken,
it's awakening awakening.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I I recently just found out about this. I mean
because I follow you know, English channels, English profiles.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Do you follow? Do you follow Canadians too?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Because Canadians I mean that's basically your fifty first state, right, well, no,
fifty second fifty Ukraine. But yes, yes I do. Of course.
Did you want me to name somebody or do.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You have somebody? Do you do you monitor the Prime Minister?
Who else you monitor sports?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yes? Mister that he You know, he's an inspirational actor,
I'll be honest. Is the way he can put on
the tears and and the sad face and it's just wow, man.
You know he would have been a great hollowood guy.
But you know what about this guy, uh Bolton? You know,
(17:36):
he's he's an interesting guy. Yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How do you spell that? What's his name?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Uh? You know Bolton? Like in the Game of Thrones.
Yes his name, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh you you're monstered it are you watching? So is
Putin having?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Putin still having the weekend popcorn Saturday Night Live running
the commercial of American policy and Trump, you know, make
America great again?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
What is the last bill we had, Mike? Build back better? Right,
build that better?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And you guys are really breaking chops with this bricks thing.
You're driving us nuts. What's with this bricks?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I mean it only makes sense right when you when
the West is trying to keep the the other the
rest of the world pinned down and tarifft and text
and all that. At some point, at some point in time,
you know, the the pendulum swings back. And that's that's
(18:40):
basically what that is.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So that I would like you, I think it'll be
up to Mike today. We did a show yesterday live
on America Outlove dot News on National Security. Out with
with the gentleman who's an economist from the Mecisons two
M I S. E. S. Dot Org, who's going to
do a debate, a debate a couple of days about
(19:03):
these tariffs. He's got to debate a guy that's pro tariff,
he's not terriff he's anti tariff because tariffs are just taxes,
you know on American people. They make it sound like, yeah,
I collected all this money. No, no, no, you know,
we're just going to do that. Right, So if you tomorrow,
I guess it's too late there, but maybe tomorrow you
could check out America out loud, dot News National Security.
We did a whole show about this tariffs. What a
(19:24):
really smart guy economists from Misi Sinster right, Mike, Yep,
he's thinking and he's thinking of running for president. You're
gonna want you want to you may want to do
that with your guys that passed it to Lavrov and say, hey,
look at this guy.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now it's a long shot. I mean it's like a
horse race, you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Know, and he got eighteen horses in a race, and
you know he's in the last place, coming up, you know, wherever.
But uh, he's got something to say that's really interested
about economics, and uh.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I mean, well, we don't want to ruin his chances
of presidency. If them that would be enough to say collusion, collusion,
maybe you could say.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
You hate them.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, hey yeah, talking about collusion. Wow, we can't finish
the show without that. Mike, So, what do you guys
think now that you're you're basically exonerated that you guys
it was it was Obama, wasn't you guys that did
the Russia clusion Russia hoax? How do you guys feel
about that? Did you break out the good vodka?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No, no, we did not, because you know, don't don't
take it the wrong way, but we really don't care
what you guys think about Russians. You know, if you
if it was it was clear, you know, everyone understood
kind of like from the beginning, you know, whoever was
pushing that, there was ulterior moment, moments and motives and
(20:53):
if if Now you know what's remarkable right now is
that even though it's been out in the open for
so long and people are being I think I've seen
something about people being indicted for it, or maybe charges
of being drawn up. Your FBI director Komi came out
(21:16):
or ex director came out with some message that I
think he's feeling the heat around the corner basically, and
this is like his plea to the people, someone please
do something, basically is what he's saying, right that stop
this because I'm about to go to jail. I mean,
it's still you know, you have still people believing that
(21:38):
it was a collusion and Trump is a Russian agent.
This is crazy, you know, Like I.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Know, you guys were checking the beds in the hotels.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
There was no no woman doing golden showers on the beds.
Imagine that, of all the things to say about the president,
he was taking golden showers in Moscow.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, it was Yes, he wasn't all right. Well so
if he was, it would have been.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You guys would have had the videos. You guys would
have had the videos. Come on, you got you got
members walls.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Don't even talk, you know what I mean. I mean,
that's your specialty. Right, let's racing, Dimitri. It's always good
to have you on Mike. Give them a less whatever
you got.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
To talk because listen, please send regards to Lava, tell
them we still want to be I may have to
go to the u N with Mike in September and
get this live interview like we do. What will you
becoming this September or your associates will be.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Here, probably associates. I have a lot going on in
Moscow right now.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Okay, I know you guys are busy. Michael, ahead, Yeah,
I just.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Wanted to thank you again. Our listeners really enjoy having
you on and it makes a sense of humor with
deadly seriousness, which I guess is.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Pretty much one more question, Mike, more question.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Now, Remember George Bush once said when he met Putin
he looked in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Something about that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So since George Bush is on the wagon in Texas,
he doesn't come on, he doesn't come out of wherever
he is because obviously he's a war criminal.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
But has he communicated with Putin?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Is there anything that you know about that? Maybe love
Roth and Putin communicated with George W.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well back in George W times. Of course we were
actually uh, we were really trying to be a friends, guys,
you know, we're really trying.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
We were guess whatever, it was the Ford pickup that
did it right?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Maybe uh yeah, you could see the smile on mister
Button's face. He was he was really happy to write there.
But no old jokes have said, you know, of course
we had we had the pickups already in Russia, trust me, No,
I mean was it was really the time of of
(24:04):
a pure good will, you know, towards the West. We
we we did whatever we could to to meet you,
to meet you, you know, all the way almost you know,
not even halfway. We were going to meet you all
the way with all your terms. We were we were
even offering ourselves into NATO. Also, I think you think
(24:27):
you know about that too, we were denied. You know,
you'd rather have Ukraine in NATO than Russia, right, I mean,
why would you want Russia? It's just too weak. Ukraine
is what you need. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it. I
mean when when you look at that, when you prefer
Ukraine but not Russia, Like, what does it? What does
(24:47):
it tell you about the nature of the beast, right,
It's it's stupid.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well, well, Germany's collapsing.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You know, they think that they could but they could
singlely handle take Russia. But I want to I want
to comp I want to compliment Russia because as the
Germans shut down their Volkswagen plants, I forgot to mention
that early, Mike, as the Germans shut down their Volkswegen plants,
Russia opened the door and they're running their Volkswagen plants
on three shifts. So now you get a Russian Volkswagen
(25:18):
instead of a German Volkswegen, which I think is ridiculous,
but it's okay. I don't know if you guys are
if they're even allowed in, you know, with the sanctions
we have, but Russian made volkswagens are running around Europe,
which is just hilarious that the Germans would you know,
cut their face off despite their nose.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Anyway, Dmitri, thank you. Have a good dinner or whatever
you're going to have at this hour. You appreciate your
call already.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You all, and keep in touch, keep in touch. Let's
get you back on.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Please try to get them on. If we can get
them on in August before the UN meetings, okay, it
would be really great.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Sure we will try, all right, thank you, good not
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