June 6, 2024 • 44 mins
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How many times have we heard let'shave one minute of silence for the genocide
that's going on in gossip. Well, what I'm going to do on the
two mics is I'm going to giveyou one minute of silence before the show,
and as you listen to this music, think about the innocent people that
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have died in this genocide, andthink about the flotilla that was stopped stock
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Stop by four three two one,Hey, welcome back you wrong with you,
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Mike, Stuctor, Michael Schuyer,New York Times best selling author and
Colonel Mike, and we have anotherinteresting podcast for you today. But before
we go to the podcast, andlook these very knowledgeable people who are fighting
for many of what's wrong, muchof what's wrong in our country, don't
forget to visit tw Mike's dot ustwo Mike's dot Us, and don't forget
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to check the blog. Michael probablyput another blog up I guess in the
next week or so with non Intervention. So let's go right to it.
We have these guests on today,really excited to have them on. They
were introduced to us by a friendand I had, you know what,
I had no knowledge. Mike hadno knowledge this organization even exists, So
just to give you an idea,there's so many people involved with it.
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I just heard of it through aclose friend, and I'm like happy to
have them on. So why don'twe just start with you? The name
of the organization, Freedom Counsel dotorg. Correct, correct, All right,
you could give us a little bitof your background and the council,
and then we'll bring Catherine in.Go ahead. Sure. My background was
as a government and corporate accountability litigatorsince the nineteen nineties. My specialty area
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is Federal False Claims Act, whichis a statute that applies nationwide which empowers
citizens to go after fraud. SoI was kind of set to be to
litigate this stuff. And like manyattorneys, you know, we were facing
business shutdowns initially, and we wentin and filed a lawsuit on the business
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shutdown, and you know, thenit grew. Catherine and I met because
of her testimony at the state legislaturewhere she asked the legislature to show on
her chart where the interventions worked.Well, they were dumbfounded because dates weren't
on there, so you could neversee where the interventions to this pandemic actually
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had any effect at all. Thisstate legislature and health officials knew nothing.
And then of course they mandated thevaccines. And I think, and I
don't want to even call those vaccines. They are not vaccines. They're just
named vaccine. I know that maysound like a subtle difference, but it's
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a name. They're not officially vaccines. This is a biological product. We
all know that now it has potentialto change your DNA. But when that
mandate came down, really all hellbroke loose. I had parents calling me,
students calling me, you know,and very quickly employees calling me.
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After that happened in twenty twenty one, I called Catherine, She put me
on her show. We talked aboutthe issues that were coming up and how
unconstitutional they were, and that startedour firms litigation. But very quickly,
you know, I understood, understoodwe needed to do more. So the
first thing was the COVID litigation conferencein March of twenty twenty three. We
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were shocked at the number of attorneysthat showed up there. It was over
two hundred attorneys medical fantastic, twohundreds. Oh my gosh, that said
a good number. Yeah, Andhonestly, you know, one of the
first things we did was ask fora show of hands, where are these
people from? Because we didn't knowthem right at the time. You know,
we opened this up. Steve Kershelped to fund that, co sponsored
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that with my firm, the MendenhallLaw Group, and we saw that in
the audience what we had were Westill said to show hands, how many
are solos? Well, that washalf the room. How many in small
firms under five that was almost theother half the room. How many are
in firms over ten? I thinkone or two hands came up. So
what clearly happened is the big firmswere fearful of bringing any of these lawsuits,
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to say the least and to saythe most represented the big employers,
the hospitals, the governments that wereimposing these mandates, and they were fighting
the individuals who didn't want to takethe shots. So the big firms were
bought off. The big firms wenton the wrong side of this battle.
The big firms defended the mandates,and what you saw was solo and small
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firm practitioners who were who just understoodthe sheer unconstitutionality of this and stood up.
You know, since then you know, we've been meeting on a basically
a weekly basis. We have theattorneys have really helped each other with their
litigation, and we've expanded what theeffort is, and we are planning for
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the future and we were trying toget make sure victims have a pathway.
And I'll let Catherine talk about that. She's our co founder, CEO,
and chief strategist with Freedom Counsel rightnow, so she's really jump in.
Welcome to to MYX. Go ahead, do we have our own camera?
All right? Say hello, Catherine, how are you hi? Thank you
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for having me so. So,my background is a little more twisted than
Warner's. I was originally academic andworked in the sciences, ended up leaving
it, but I come from moreof the position of the outside world.
How do you actually affect change asa nobody? You know, when all
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this went down, everybody was talkingabout, well, you're not a virologist,
epidemiologist or anything like that, soyou have no right to speak.
Well, I actually did have partof my education being in this topic area,
so I understood it. But Ialso understood that, you know,
they were going to just try toshut everybody down, and so I ended
up on social media of all things, talking about the science and the data,
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and that did lead me to beingseen by Warner. And so part
of that whole thing is how doyou empower individuals with the information so they
can actually do something with it?And so that is essentially my role here
in Freedom Counsel too, is howdo we take it forward? How do
we how do we you know,look around the obstacles in our path because
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so many times we attorneys will lookat things like the prep back and say,
oh, well, that's a liabilityshield. We can't we can't deal
with that, and so uh,but there's always ways, there's always ways
to side stuff, there's always waysto expose the what's really going on,
Like the little graph that I hadshown, you know, just very simple
and in your face. And sowith Freedom Counsel, with these individual attorneys,
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we are working to create those newpathways and to help learn from each
other how to to approach all ofthese issues because these are these are issues
that have not really been dealt withbefore and it's not really clear how we
do it. And it's not justabout attorneys either. You couldn't there aren't
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enough attorneys probably in the world tobegin to deal with the scope of the
harm that has happened over the lastfour years. And so we need to
engage the actual individuals in society too. Everyone wants to fight and everyone really
can contribute to it. We needmedical experts for to be expert witnesses in
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different trials, but we also needthem to help explain the science to us,
the medicine to us. We needthem to explain kind of the structure
of what's going on, of thefinancials in these hospital systems and where we
can start recognizing the fraud, theabsolutely rampant fraud that was absolutely everywhere.
It was a big in my eyes, I think it was one of the
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biggest scams we had in our history. And like he said before, you
know what, you can't call ita vaccine. It's like saying that this.
You know, a tree is aGMC suburban. You know it's not
you know, a bush is notan error plane. You know, that's
what they did. They just comeout and like we used the terminology on
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the show word salad. You know, you're at the buffet bar and you
get the salad bar, and youcould do anything with words. You know,
absolutely and that's that's kind of thething you have to you have to
track how the money moved. Andand it's not just about the medical fraud.
One of the other massive frauds wasthe PPP fraud, which is also
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something that that actually has kind offlown beneath the radar, but is it's
a huge amount of money that thatcan be gone after and exposed. And
so we need to bring together allof that that knowledge and information, and
we need to have those conversations.And one of the other things that I've
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noticed from this kind of semi outsideposition, you know, I've been working
now with Warner for a couple ofyears now, over two and a half
years, and I'd never had anyexperience with the legal system before that.
But but so I've gotten a crashcourse. I have a scientific background.
I can understand the medical issues,and you know, I also go into
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the victims groups and I hear themand a lot of what I'm hearing is
just simple a disconnect in communication.Everybody speaks their own language, and so
how do we bring those different experiencesand understandings together, and how do we
translate it in a way that thatreally connects and actually goes somewhere and into
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these these kinds of lawsuits. Allright, I want to bring up something
because it's very important. You justsaid something about Warner would know. No,
it's just what I what I findwith with all this. You know
when you said PPP, Now,Mike and I did a couple of shows
on PPP back in the day,and it's almost a couple of years back.
Now, you know, you lookat this whole big picture, and
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I'm addressed this to Mike, Katherineand Warner and the audience right now.
You look at this whole big picture. Was this vaccine fraud a bailout for
banks? Was it a bailout forbig businesses? Was it a bailout like
this Cares Act thing that they cameout with billions of dollars? Was that?
Well who got healthy? First?Think about it. The banks were
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bailed out of their you know,shingle, and then they said, okay,
we'll do PPP. Now, wehad a guy on the show who
told us Catherine, who was twentyfive hundred, a copy to fill out
the paperwork. So you went intoyour bank. The bank didn't even know
how to fill out the paperwork.It was so new right, and they
filled out this form and they gaveyou a formula nine divided by forty five
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equals thirty two plus twenty six.You know, one of these things.
In the next thing, you know, it's like, okay, you're allowed
fifty four thousand dollars, right,and you get this fifty four thousand dollars
loan, which nine or twelve monthslater you could fill out another form which
says, based on XYZ, thiscould be forgiven. And many of those
PP loans were forgiven, right.And then they came out with another round
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called EIDL, which was the Emergencysomething or other eid A loan, which
is it was an offshoot of theFEMA loans. They created this new kind
of a FEMA loan which you canactually borrow up to millions of dollars at
three point seventy five percent for thirtyyears. And now that wasn't a forgivable
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loan. That was a three pointseventy five loan. At the time the
bank rate for a commercial loan orprivate loan with six percent. So the
bank gets to fill out another pieceof paper, which is twenty five hundred
a copy. Right. Now,remember going in is twenty five hundred,
and when you come back to fillout the PPP forgiveness, the bank gets
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another twenty five hundred. So justthink thousand customers at five thousand a pop.
If they do the return, theinitial is twenty five and then you
want a PPP forgiven it does.That's five thousand to the bank and they
do nothing. There's no guarantee thebank does nothing, but with the paperwork
they fell out the papwork RCT andyou're the one that's on the hook for
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the PPP loan, which was basicallyI think I forgot there was a small
number how much you would pay interestif you even paid on the loan,
because majority of small ones under twohundred thousand dollars were forgiven and then there
were some obstacles over two hundred.But the fraud, like you say,
was tremendous. We had people fromaround the globe borrowing money from RSBA.
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People from around the globe weren't evencitizens were getting loans. You have fraud
that was involved where people you know, fortunately put on crazy numbers. Eventually
they caught five or ten of them, you know what I mean, out
of one hundred thousands or so soto me, I think I think Mike
would agree. It was a bigbank bail out. Everybody made cash on
the deal, and a few momand pops got to survive, right,
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And what did they force us todo? They forced us to go to
Walmart and Sam's Club and BJ's andall the big box stores. Right.
And by the way, they werethe only ones that had the masks that
really you couldn't get COVID, youknow, if you went with a mask
in to mom and pop and thesign said we don't care if you mask
or not. You know, thestate came in and said, hey,
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we're going to shut you down.Churches had they didn't have anything to do
to shut you down. They alsoconned the churches. There's a lot of
churches that are that are responsible.Many got online because it was lazy,
you could tie a credit card.They still got the money, you know
what I'm saying. So all around, I think the Cares act. I
don't know what the numbers are.What was trillions? Who knows what it
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is by now, but you knowit was. I think it was a
big bailout. And then comes whathappens after that? Joe Biden comes in
and you have one of these nextbailouts called the Infrastructure Bill or something.
You know. Now here's the funnypart. You could look at states on
the mid Atlantic area, and everyone of those states, the governors and
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the treasurers and the auditors all cameout within two years of COVID and said,
we have billions of dollars in surplus. Well, how did you guys
become accountants overnight? How did youbecome frugal? How did you find all
these billions of dollars in surplus?You didn't have it before COVID. Right,
So the states got bailed out too, And what did they do?
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They built a few roads, Theyrepaired a few roads, They created a
few jobs. You know, Idon't want to mention the states. You
could look it up on mid Atlanticand the East coast. But for the
most part, all of these statesgot healthy. It's a bank bailout and
it was a state bailout. AndI think it's part of the dance to
keep this country alive economically, youknow what I'm saying. And the dances
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musical chairs, how do we keepit going? Because we know the economy's
bad. We know they'd come upwith crazy numbers. Right, we were
given zero interest rates to foreign countrieswhat ten years ago? You know,
and everything is back then when Obamawas around, it was zero eight interest
rates and anybody could borrow the moneybecause we wanted to keep the dollar flowing.
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And now we have an obstacle calledbricks. I don't know how much
of an obstacle it is, butright now what we have is we're a
hated nation. People want to runaway from the dollar, and what's happening
is it's not good for us.And when the musical chairs is over,
it's going to hurt us. AndI hope to god it's not as bad
as I think it is, butit could be. I hate to take
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a voyage time, but I wantto explain that. I want to drop
a few things in here, firstof all, because we do need to
understand this in a different context.It's not about COVID. I think you
understand that, and I think peoplein the audience are growing in their understanding
of it. I'm just going todrop a few pebbles so we can find
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our way back. So look atwhat happened in Jackson Hall, Wyoming in
September of twenty nineteen. They knewwe were going into a complete financial crash
and they were trying to figure outhow to deal with it. So COVID
provided the excuse. The other thingthat's going on here is an attack on
the United States national sovereignty. Isthere is an effort to destroy us as
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the reserve currency the world because thathas made us too powerful, too able
to go after elites, too ableto you know, kind of police the
world. They want a different system, you know, at least a multipolar
system. I worry about China's growingrole, particularly China wants to be dominant
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now. So these are underlying thingsthat were going on that people are not
looking at. And then the moneythat was floated to everybody. You know,
first of all, it helped tomake us all somewhat dependent on the
government, particularly if you're a smallbusiness. And then the impact on small
businesses, that's what we saw immediatelyas I saw friends of mine who are
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in their sixties having to close businesses, and it just pissed me off,
frankly, you know, we shouldhave stayed opened. John I and eighties
from Stanford showed that this disease wasnot anything to be afraid of. And
then we had the great doctors thatended up forming FLCCC that showed that there's
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treatment for what's going on. Andthen we had other information that basically anyone
under seventy this was like a flu. So this really was it was a
fraud from A to Z. Focuson the money, follow the money.
That's an important thing. But let'sunderstand that. And then now we've had
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and then the hospital desk, gettingback to one of the major topics that
we focus on. You know,then they killed people in the hospitals.
The work calls were wrong, theprotocols killed people. The only reason the
death rate looked so high is becausethey were you using drugs that killed people
in the hospitals. These people couldhave been treated with simple, cheap drugs
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like hydroxychloric when ivermectin, you know, some steroids, some antibiotics. We
have these cases pending right now,and they could have been treated maybe from
home if they've they've gotten early treatment, but certainly at the hospital and the
ventilators just killed people. When theyput people in venti laters, it tended
to kill them. When they gavethem from dezevir, it tended to kill
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them. So it's just horrific whatthey've done in the country. It's severely
weakened the citizenry, it's severely weakenedsmall business, and its severely weakened the
military because of all the people thatleft the military over this. And I
want to say one more thing aboutsmall business really quickly, Catherine. I
know you want to jump in here, but think about small businesses. What
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small businesses, which now we've losttwenty to thirty percent of our small businesses.
Those are family run businesses. You'reindependent economically, you're you are not
bound to all these national mandates andyou know, obligations in these small businesses.
That they wanted to destroy that independentsource of patriotism and pride, and
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that that also helps to destroy thosefamilies, and and that that's part of
this overall attack on the nation.Well, the overall attack also includes global
populations. So they were just theywere helping the global population guys, which
have been around forever. But youcan go next to Catherine, Go ahead,
doctor Mike, jump in whenever youhave a question here. I was
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just going to say, isn't theorganizational core of all this constitutional? And
wasn't it from the beginning How howis it possible to go two years and
not get a hearing before the SupremeCourt on things that were so on constitution
forcing people to be inoculated close theirbusinesses because of government mandates. I still
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don't understand how this not. Werepeople just afraid to do something? Were
they bought off? Was it ayes? So here this is exactly what
I was going to say. Youknow, you talked about the banks and
small businesses and stuff. But theother the other winners, if you would
call it, that, are thehospitals. I mean they made banks.
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They made a huge amount of money, a huge amount of profit. Also,
the schools made a lot of money. They received huge amounts of money,
far outside of their normal needs.But the trick about all of this
money, all of the money,is it comes with strings attached. Yes,
you have to do certain things.So hospitals went into this very happily.
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They went in very happily, justdoing as Warner talked about these protocols,
where they followed the protocol. Theymade a huge amount of money and
a lot of people died. Andthen you have the schools. You want
to wonder, you wonder why allof the school systems seems to have lost
their minds over the last few years. Well, the money that was given
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to the schools through the government hadstrings attached to it. They were required
to follow the CDC guidance or elsethat that money would be yanked back,
and there were a huge I mean, I think Warner can speak more to
this. He dug into it alot more than I did, but into
the details. But that is theway that they're They're they're setting up systems
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in order to control us in hiddenways where it's not even direct. It's
this is part of your your loanagreement, is that you have to do
these different things, and if youdon't, there are huge financial consequences that
will ruin you. That's exactly thesame method that they used in order to
to enforce the the vaccine mandates orquote unquote vaccine mandates in the hospital systems.
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They that made it through in thatyes, is allowed to say that
if you do not comply, wecan just yank the money. It's just
the money, it's not a mandate. And so that they're using money to
control our behavior. I agree withyou about hospitals because in our area Virginia,
West Virginia, Ohio. Let's sayin Pennsylvania, Maryland, especially West
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Virginia North, I guess the NorthPanhandle area, there was a lot of
hospitals ready to close. They werea bankruptcy. And on the south side
of Virginia there were a lot ofsmall local hospitals I guess that were part
of networks, you know, thatwere ready to close. And this was
just it was a big payday.Overnight jobs were created, hospitals stayed open,
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and the governors got on TV andsaid, look at what we're doing.
We're helping the healthcare system. We'rewe're we're pumping money like it was
their money, you know, we'repumping money into the system. And overnight
like try Cares and all these othernames. You know, you hear overnight
they were back in the black.When they were just about to close every
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door, every window, you know, block this, lock everything up.
And I said to myself, boy, oh boy, there's a ton of
money in this deal. People arejust getting paid off left and right.
And like you say, the cheapstuff hydroxically cork when in Ivermectin, they
were like, oh that, youcan't have that. I remember people taking
the horse pace of the ivermectin.They were like, hey, it doesn't
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matter. It kills parasites and killsall this stuff. Right, you'll take
anything, but rather to get avax. And I remember they had the
National Guard at one hospital outside atent, stopping everybody with masks and saying,
okay, you can go in nowand get your vaccine. And one
governor in West Virginia was giving tuitionscholarships if you took a vax Are you
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out of your mind? And thenthe teachers were on like you said,
the teachers were on the laptops teachingfrom home because they made sure that well,
we didn't want the students to loseany education, right, But in
the meantime they were crying about thestudents didn't have high high speed internet.
So guess what comes in behind it, Catherine, fifty eight billion dollars.
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Fifty eight billion dollars. We're goingto get high speed internate internet. And
you know, nobody's getting starling,but they're going to get something, right,
And who they're going to get,they're going to get the local guy
who didn't want to give it tothem anyway. But now that the money's
free, right overnight, I thinkit was I want to say, frontier
communications. These guys couldn't put atelephone pull up on a Wednesday, and
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the following Monday they had new trucksand fiber optic was going on. Think
about that, and I bet allwith strings attached too, I bet.
I mean, we had the samething in Ohio where they made a big
push about about getting more high speedinternet into rural areas. Yeah. Of
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course we have a heavy Amish populationhere too, so that was one of
that was kind of a an interestingthing. But it's I bet that there
are interesting requirements on those loans thator not that they weren't loans, they
were just full grants, full grants. I think some of them might have
been. But Mike and I livedin northern Virginia for many years, and
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then fiber upter came a long yearsago through Verizon. But you have to
remember we've been hearing the tune ofyou know, rural communities in Virginia high
speed internet. I don't know,Mike, what twenty five years at least.
Yeah, and all of a sudden, the payday comes and it's called
COVID, and this is how we'regoing to bail everybody out, and we're
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going to, like Warner says,we're going to just weaken our sovereignty and
we're going to join these clubs aroundthe globe. Can you you know,
Mike said this, I don't knowhow many times. Do you know what
it took, Catherine? Do youknow what it took to get all of
these government leaders on the same pagewith the vaccine? Do you have any
idea what kind of work went intoday? Well, I think it's it's it
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doesn't yeah, it that definitely.I think there was some work that went
into But I think one of thethings to keep in mind is you can
have concerted behavior without having an actualmouth to mouth, you know, conspiracy.
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Like that's what's happening in the hospitals, where the hospitals across the country
all behaved in exactly the same way, so they did exactly the same things.
And when you see something happening theexact same way everywhere, it's most
likely coming from a central source.And I believe that the central source for
the hospitals was CMS. I mean, CMS holds her strings there that that
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amount of money is the most importantamount of money to all these hospitals it's
critical to their functioning. So CMSputs in certain the protocols and not so
much the protocols, but the moneyto pay. They put in bonuses.
Is they say we're going to reimburseat this rate, and and so the
hospital administrators, who only care aboutmoney and maximizing the money, will react
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and say, Okay, this iswhat we're going to do to maximize our
money, which then results in thesame behavior all across the country. And
I think that's a that's a hugeamount of what is happening where there is
some kind of outside stimulus that we'renot really seeing directly. And I do
think there are definitely people who arewho are masterminding this because everything that was
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done from from the very beginning onwardswas designed to make people, to keep
people fearful and off off balance.But no doubt, Hey, for the
listeners around the globe and in America, tell us what CMS is, sorry,
Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.So yeah, I always let the
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people know. See, not everybodyhe knows the acronyms, you know,
and people speak on podcasts or showsand or they write blogs or whatever,
and they put acronyms and They're like, well, what does that all mean.
At the bottom line is it's allabout the coin. It's all about
the cash. You know, it'scash flow, and hospitals are just flow.
Listen, we have wings coming out, new wings in the last two
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years. You notice hospitals have newwings. Now they put another building and
all of a sudden from bankruptcy,you can now put a new building in
a new emergency room. Hey,we need doors on the emergency room.
We need a couple of new ambulancestoo. At one hundred and fifty thousand
pop. You know, I mean, it's just amazing. How the money
And you got to just watch thenews when these guys, these governors get
up and these states representatives get upand they say, yes, we have
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a budget surplus. Where did itcome from? Well, how did you
get it? You know, we'regoing to fix the roads. Now,
we're going to do X Y.You know, we're going to do this.
We're going to where did it allcome from? Just right before COVID,
it wasn't it wasn't that exciting.It look like you guys are going
to close the doors, you know, and you have to add in the
politics to you both know, itwas Donald Trump being the president, so
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how do we knock him out of, you know, the perch, and
how can we get him to gowith it? All right? And everybody
around him pretty much spooked him,and Mike, what do you call those
people that hang around him? Serpents? I wanted to move on to the
good news a little bit. Youguys, go ahead, all right,
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listen up. These attorneys that steppedup have been winning. And if you
even think about the federal mandates,remember the Supreme Court considered four of them,
and we won three out of thefour at the US Supreme Court.
We've been winning employment cases throughout theUnited States. We've been winning some hospital
cases now finally, and we're lookingat figuring out how to break through on
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the vaccine injury and how to winin that area as well. But we
can't. What we're doing though,and the we reason we're winning is because
so many people stood up and theyhave helped to educate US attorneys about what's
happening to them. They have helpedprovide documents, they've analyzed documents and even
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their individual documents about their individual familymember's death. Matters. Whether you have
a malpractice case or not. Wemay have those, and we're trying to
figure out ways to figure out whichones are are good malpractice and not that
we can proceed forward. And I'lltell the other attorneys out there who may
be listening. You look at therecords and you find there's undiagnosed and untreated
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conditions that should have been treated.That's the way around the prep BacT.
There's thousands and thousands of those.They may have had a heart problem or
bacterial pneumonia or something else. Theybring them in, treat them with the
COVID protocol, which kills them,and leave untreated something out there was that
they actually should have treated. Ishould say that differently. They treat them
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with the COVID protocol, but theyfail to address so it's actually killing them
when you find that. And that'sthousands and thousands of these out there.
So when you find that, you'vegot a medical malpractice. But when you
look even someone who lost a lovedone and doesn't have a medical malpractice,
we look at those records. Thenfor fraud as a secondary issue, and
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medical malpractice has a short statute oflimitations, Fraud is a long one under
the False Claims Acted six years Sothat's what these victim communities are helping to
do right now, these injured andinjured communities, they're coming together and they
want to find a pathway forward.And that's what freedom counsels about, is
figuring out these pathways forward. We'regoing to throw the kitchen sink at them.
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We may not hit them with thesink, but we're going to hit
them with the faucet. We're goingto find something right, find well,
we'll probably hit them with the entirehouse, and we'll find the top.
Maybe the house will come down onthem. Sure. One thing, actually,
I do want to say, Ireally want to emphasize something Warner said,
because I think a lot of peopledon't realize this, especially attorneys.
Where he talked about a medical malpracticethat you know, they didn't treat something
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that's not just, and and that'sa way around the prep Act. That's
not just, that's not just atheory. He's got several cases where that
has exactly happened. These are cases, These are COVID cases where where it
has gone through the motion to dismiss, it is continuing onwards, and uh,
the prep Act has been entirely subsidestep. This is this is not
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by in the sky. This thisis real. This is this is a
true way forward, and and theamount of true malpractice UH that had nothing
to do with COVID or or anyof the things covered by the prep Act,
which is the prep Act has affordedUH total liability coverage for for basically
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anyone associated with any kind of damagefrom the administration of a covered countermeasure.
So, I mean, that's that'swhy the attorneys weren't taking these cases,
because they looked at it and said, well, that's ironclad. No,
it's not so. If you've alsoif you've called attorneys and with with you
know, a loved one who's killedin the hospital, well, and they
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said, no, we can't doit. Yes, yes, there are
ways of doing it. Well that'sfantastic. You know, you guys are
so brave, all of you workingtogether. You know, I wish we
had a group like this that couldwork in helping the president President Trump,
but not only that, for anyonewho speaks out, because obviously you're tainted
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and you probably can never have anotherjob and work in the legal industry.
You've seen the way they went afterthe lawyers around Trump, which I think
is disgusting. Okay, I mean, none of these guys should be blackballed,
but they are, you know,And I'm glad you're getting to the
Supreme Court and you're getting some wins. That's wins are always good, Mike.
Mike is big on baseball. Mike, you like wins, don't you.
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I like wins. But I alsolike a pound of flesh. And
I think a great I think agreat way to hurt these people are exactly
what you're doing too. Yeah,Mike, Michael, let me let me
explain the pound of flesh side ofit. We can go there too.
Uh. And the pound of fleshis this. As we're digging through these
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documents, we are finding crimes.I'm not saying that there's federal prosecutors or
even local prosecutors who are willing todo anything yet, but but we know,
and we have former federal prosecutors thatwe're working with to package, you
know, to work with the victims, to work with the families, to
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understand what's in the data, uhand what's in these in these medical records
and find the crime that occurred.Uh. So there criminal statutes of limitations,
as you guys may know, arealso very long. Fraud is six
years. Most crimes are six years. Murder may not have a statute of
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limitations, and there's various step downsfrom murder, second degree murder, reckless
or negligent homicide. There's a lotof things that that we think, we
see and hear that are crimes thatoccurred in hospitals that that we can use
to hold people accountable. And that'snot not to say the folks at the
national level who have lied to thepopulation, lied to Congress, violated their
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oaths of office. You know,a properly uh, you know, properly
motivated federal prosecutor could go after Fauciright now and put him in prison and
shouldn't and and should So he needsto be questioned about all of his statements
to Congress, all of the inconsistenciesand lies, and we need to find
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out ultimately, you know, clearly, our our national uh you know,
our national labs funded to ni Hwere involved in the development of gain of
function and and help poist this onthe world, and then they were involved
in a failed response, completely failedresponse, and we're gonna be talking about
that at the conference too. ColonelJames Zitlow is opening the conference with the
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history of pandemic planning. He lookedthey spent years maybe putting up a plan
and Zilow, you know, ColonelZitlow knows exactly what should have happened,
and it was a good plan.They threw out the book. They threw
the book away after all the money, millions of dollars spent planning. I
think you should go after the networkstoo, and the anchors personally, who
lied, who read the scripts,and you know that'll give them a little
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fresher underneath their seat for sure.Now, when is the conference. Where's
it going to be. It's inDenver. We're coming up this week,
folks who are going to be thereFriday in Denver on the seventh, that
evening, we are actually going tobe showing a film, a beautiful film
by John Davidson called Epidemic of Fraud. So we'll get our mind straight right
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off the bat. And then thenext morning we opened the conference with Colonel
Zitlow talking about the history of pandemicplanning and his work with NORAD, and
then we go into defending doctors buildingthese victim files. We go into elections
issues. Harry Harry I don't knowif you've heard of him. He was
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he helped with the Help America VoteAct, and he'll talk about all the
elections violations that are going on.And then we're going to close out with
Miriam Grossman and her great book Lostin TransNation about the all the pharmaceutical money
pouring into you know, confuse ourchildren about what their sex is. Yes,
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so it's a it's a very veryI mean, I can't even tell
you how excited I am. Andwe're working, we're working, it's so
hard not sleep but trying to getall this together. But I'm so excited
to see this thing coming together andI'm going to be so excited to all
to all the people. So we'regoing to have to get this thing up
real zimpny quick so you can getsome promo and some legs out of this.
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What do you think about that,doctor, Mike, Yeah, we
can do that and we'll get alook at you split for them and get
it rolling and we appreciate you guys. Can the public just attend you got
to buy tickets out? Does thiswork? Yes? So exactly. So
this is not just for attorneys,because it's not just attorneys that need to
be involved here. Yes, wehave our main panels which are uh mainly
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lawyer focused from a perspective of alawyer, but we actually have a breakout
sessions on Saturday morning with some reallyreally interesting people specifically targeted more towards medical
professional professionals and also vaccine injured,where you know, how how do you
start to engage with this process fromthe outside, How do we start integrating
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people who have been sitting there onthe sidelines this full time. How do
you start understanding how this process works? How can you work for yourself and
also for the medical professionals for theirpatients, and how can they help us
uncover all of the fraud. Andwe also have defending yourself essentially from having
your medical licenses revoked. We havePaul Merrick and Pier Corey speaking at this
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conference too, who have been justgiants in this and have been through been
through the worst of it in termsof being attacked for standing up. I
also want to say with the epidemicof fraud, that is a separate ticket.
As you ask, you do howdo people show up? We have
our website Freedomcounsel dot org has alink on it to our twenty twenty four
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Freedom Counsel Conference. Currently, Ibelieve the tickets are six hundred and seventy
five dollars, though we do havesome discount codes available if you reach out
to her US and the Epidemic ofFraud is also available for purchase for I
believe it's twenty dollars and we canshare that link just for that one screening
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and Q and A with the directorany Zoom show. Was there a cantain
so going on for the public,Yeah, we cannot. We cannot live
stream, but we will have recordingsof the event and both breakout rooms and
also of the main stage. Butit is something that I do think is
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really really critically important. One thingwe've learned over the last four years is
one of the most important things weneed to do is we really need to
get together in person and talk faceto face, because that is where the
best kind of communication happens. That'show we really can start understanding each other
in our other and different perspectives,and how we how we start really linking
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it in. And it's not justabout the lawyers, it's also about the
victims. Warner and I were justdown in Houston for the hauled hospital homicide
rally and all these these family membersof people who had been killed by the
hospitals. They would tell their storiesand and it was quite the site to
just see warners sit there and listento them and start thinking of a brand
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new way used to go after it. And it's not just him, it's
it's just the way that that attorneysthink when somebody comes up to them and
starts telling a story, they startthinking, what are the different ways of
attack that I can can can goafter it. So having bringing together a
whole bunch of victims who can youknow, say hey, oh yeah that
happened to me too, how thathappened to you? And then a larger
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group of attorneys listening to that andtogether saying oh well what about that?
What about this? And so thereis a real synergy about having people together.
So if you can come, definitelyrecommend it. We do have a
very steep discount on our hotel block, but I believe that ends on June
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fifth or sorry, so doing fourthI believe, So okay, just a
couple of days away. All right, we want to thank you really,
thank you guys. I mean you'redoing great work. God's work, and
God bless you all that are attendingthis and fighting for the American people.
This is amazing and stuff, Imean just tremendous. So uh, please
come back after the conference, letus know how it goes. We'll roll
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again and to both of your salute, man, I mean, I mean
serious, this is beautiful stuff andwe'll continue to travel with you as you
go down the road. We canupdate you anytime with all the successes people
are having. There's a there's atleast a major success every month that we
could talk about, a major excellentbed. Please do, thank you and
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thank you, thank you, allright, thank you guys,
How many times have we heard let'shave one minute of silence for the genocide
that's going on in gossip. Well, what I'm going to do on the
two mics is I'm going to giveyou one minute of silence before the show,
and as you listen to this music, think about the innocent people that
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have died in this genocide, andthink about the flotilla that was stopped stock
(01:42):
Stop by four three two one,Hey, welcome back you wrong with you,
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Mike, Stuctor, Michael Schuyer,New York Times best selling author and
Colonel Mike, and we have anotherinteresting podcast for you today. But before
we go to the podcast, andlook these very knowledgeable people who are fighting
for many of what's wrong, muchof what's wrong in our country, don't
forget to visit tw Mike's dot ustwo Mike's dot Us, and don't forget
(02:30):
to check the blog. Michael probablyput another blog up I guess in the
next week or so with non Intervention. So let's go right to it.
We have these guests on today,really excited to have them on. They
were introduced to us by a friendand I had, you know what,
I had no knowledge. Mike hadno knowledge this organization even exists, So
just to give you an idea,there's so many people involved with it.
(02:52):
I just heard of it through aclose friend, and I'm like happy to
have them on. So why don'twe just start with you? The name
of the organization, Freedom Counsel dotorg. Correct, correct, All right,
you could give us a little bitof your background and the council,
and then we'll bring Catherine in.Go ahead. Sure. My background was
as a government and corporate accountability litigatorsince the nineteen nineties. My specialty area
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is Federal False Claims Act, whichis a statute that applies nationwide which empowers
citizens to go after fraud. SoI was kind of set to be to
litigate this stuff. And like manyattorneys, you know, we were facing
business shutdowns initially, and we wentin and filed a lawsuit on the business
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shutdown, and you know, thenit grew. Catherine and I met because
of her testimony at the state legislaturewhere she asked the legislature to show on
her chart where the interventions worked.Well, they were dumbfounded because dates weren't
on there, so you could neversee where the interventions to this pandemic actually
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had any effect at all. Thisstate legislature and health officials knew nothing.
And then of course they mandated thevaccines. And I think, and I
don't want to even call those vaccines. They are not vaccines. They're just
named vaccine. I know that maysound like a subtle difference, but it's
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a name. They're not officially vaccines. This is a biological product. We
all know that now it has potentialto change your DNA. But when that
mandate came down, really all hellbroke loose. I had parents calling me,
students calling me, you know,and very quickly employees calling me.
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After that happened in twenty twenty one, I called Catherine, She put me
on her show. We talked aboutthe issues that were coming up and how
unconstitutional they were, and that startedour firms litigation. But very quickly,
you know, I understood, understoodwe needed to do more. So the
first thing was the COVID litigation conferencein March of twenty twenty three. We
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were shocked at the number of attorneysthat showed up there. It was over
two hundred attorneys medical fantastic, twohundreds. Oh my gosh, that said
a good number. Yeah, Andhonestly, you know, one of the
first things we did was ask fora show of hands, where are these
people from? Because we didn't knowthem right at the time. You know,
we opened this up. Steve Kershelped to fund that, co sponsored
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that with my firm, the MendenhallLaw Group, and we saw that in
the audience what we had were Westill said to show hands, how many
are solos? Well, that washalf the room. How many in small
firms under five that was almost theother half the room. How many are
in firms over ten? I thinkone or two hands came up. So
what clearly happened is the big firmswere fearful of bringing any of these lawsuits,
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to say the least and to saythe most represented the big employers,
the hospitals, the governments that wereimposing these mandates, and they were fighting
the individuals who didn't want to takethe shots. So the big firms were
bought off. The big firms wenton the wrong side of this battle.
The big firms defended the mandates,and what you saw was solo and small
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firm practitioners who were who just understoodthe sheer unconstitutionality of this and stood up.
You know, since then you know, we've been meeting on a basically
a weekly basis. We have theattorneys have really helped each other with their
litigation, and we've expanded what theeffort is, and we are planning for
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the future and we were trying toget make sure victims have a pathway.
And I'll let Catherine talk about that. She's our co founder, CEO,
and chief strategist with Freedom Counsel rightnow, so she's really jump in.
Welcome to to MYX. Go ahead, do we have our own camera?
All right? Say hello, Catherine, how are you hi? Thank you
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for having me so. So,my background is a little more twisted than
Warner's. I was originally academic andworked in the sciences, ended up leaving
it, but I come from moreof the position of the outside world.
How do you actually affect change asa nobody? You know, when all
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this went down, everybody was talkingabout, well, you're not a virologist,
epidemiologist or anything like that, soyou have no right to speak.
Well, I actually did have partof my education being in this topic area,
so I understood it. But Ialso understood that, you know,
they were going to just try toshut everybody down, and so I ended
up on social media of all things, talking about the science and the data,
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and that did lead me to beingseen by Warner. And so part
of that whole thing is how doyou empower individuals with the information so they
can actually do something with it?And so that is essentially my role here
in Freedom Counsel too, is howdo we take it forward? How do
we how do we you know,look around the obstacles in our path because
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so many times we attorneys will lookat things like the prep back and say,
oh, well, that's a liabilityshield. We can't we can't deal
with that, and so uh,but there's always ways, there's always ways
to side stuff, there's always waysto expose the what's really going on,
Like the little graph that I hadshown, you know, just very simple
and in your face. And sowith Freedom Counsel, with these individual attorneys,
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we are working to create those newpathways and to help learn from each
other how to to approach all ofthese issues because these are these are issues
that have not really been dealt withbefore and it's not really clear how we
do it. And it's not justabout attorneys either. You couldn't there aren't
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enough attorneys probably in the world tobegin to deal with the scope of the
harm that has happened over the lastfour years. And so we need to
engage the actual individuals in society too. Everyone wants to fight and everyone really
can contribute to it. We needmedical experts for to be expert witnesses in
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different trials, but we also needthem to help explain the science to us,
the medicine to us. We needthem to explain kind of the structure
of what's going on, of thefinancials in these hospital systems and where we
can start recognizing the fraud, theabsolutely rampant fraud that was absolutely everywhere.
It was a big in my eyes, I think it was one of the
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biggest scams we had in our history. And like he said before, you
know what, you can't call ita vaccine. It's like saying that this.
You know, a tree is aGMC suburban. You know it's not
you know, a bush is notan error plane. You know, that's
what they did. They just comeout and like we used the terminology on
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the show word salad. You know, you're at the buffet bar and you
get the salad bar, and youcould do anything with words. You know,
absolutely and that's that's kind of thething you have to you have to
track how the money moved. Andand it's not just about the medical fraud.
One of the other massive frauds wasthe PPP fraud, which is also
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something that that actually has kind offlown beneath the radar, but is it's
a huge amount of money that thatcan be gone after and exposed. And
so we need to bring together allof that that knowledge and information, and
we need to have those conversations.And one of the other things that I've
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noticed from this kind of semi outsideposition, you know, I've been working
now with Warner for a couple ofyears now, over two and a half
years, and I'd never had anyexperience with the legal system before that.
But but so I've gotten a crashcourse. I have a scientific background.
I can understand the medical issues,and you know, I also go into
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the victims groups and I hear themand a lot of what I'm hearing is
just simple a disconnect in communication.Everybody speaks their own language, and so
how do we bring those different experiencesand understandings together, and how do we
translate it in a way that thatreally connects and actually goes somewhere and into
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these these kinds of lawsuits. Allright, I want to bring up something
because it's very important. You justsaid something about Warner would know. No,
it's just what I what I findwith with all this. You know
when you said PPP, Now,Mike and I did a couple of shows
on PPP back in the day,and it's almost a couple of years back.
Now, you know, you lookat this whole big picture, and
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I'm addressed this to Mike, Katherineand Warner and the audience right now.
You look at this whole big picture. Was this vaccine fraud a bailout for
banks? Was it a bailout forbig businesses? Was it a bailout like
this Cares Act thing that they cameout with billions of dollars? Was that?
Well who got healthy? First?Think about it. The banks were
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bailed out of their you know,shingle, and then they said, okay,
we'll do PPP. Now, wehad a guy on the show who
told us Catherine, who was twentyfive hundred, a copy to fill out
the paperwork. So you went intoyour bank. The bank didn't even know
how to fill out the paperwork.It was so new right, and they
filled out this form and they gaveyou a formula nine divided by forty five
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equals thirty two plus twenty six.You know, one of these things.
In the next thing, you know, it's like, okay, you're allowed
fifty four thousand dollars, right,and you get this fifty four thousand dollars
loan, which nine or twelve monthslater you could fill out another form which
says, based on XYZ, thiscould be forgiven. And many of those
PP loans were forgiven, right.And then they came out with another round
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called EIDL, which was the Emergencysomething or other eid A loan, which
is it was an offshoot of theFEMA loans. They created this new kind
of a FEMA loan which you canactually borrow up to millions of dollars at
three point seventy five percent for thirtyyears. And now that wasn't a forgivable
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loan. That was a three pointseventy five loan. At the time the
bank rate for a commercial loan orprivate loan with six percent. So the
bank gets to fill out another pieceof paper, which is twenty five hundred
a copy. Right. Now,remember going in is twenty five hundred,
and when you come back to fillout the PPP forgiveness, the bank gets
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another twenty five hundred. So justthink thousand customers at five thousand a pop.
If they do the return, theinitial is twenty five and then you
want a PPP forgiven it does.That's five thousand to the bank and they
do nothing. There's no guarantee thebank does nothing, but with the paperwork
they fell out the papwork RCT andyou're the one that's on the hook for
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the PPP loan, which was basicallyI think I forgot there was a small
number how much you would pay interestif you even paid on the loan,
because majority of small ones under twohundred thousand dollars were forgiven and then there
were some obstacles over two hundred.But the fraud, like you say,
was tremendous. We had people fromaround the globe borrowing money from RSBA.
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People from around the globe weren't evencitizens were getting loans. You have fraud
that was involved where people you know, fortunately put on crazy numbers. Eventually
they caught five or ten of them, you know what I mean, out
of one hundred thousands or so soto me, I think I think Mike
would agree. It was a bigbank bail out. Everybody made cash on
the deal, and a few momand pops got to survive, right,
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And what did they force us todo? They forced us to go to
Walmart and Sam's Club and BJ's andall the big box stores. Right.
And by the way, they werethe only ones that had the masks that
really you couldn't get COVID, youknow, if you went with a mask
in to mom and pop and thesign said we don't care if you mask
or not. You know, thestate came in and said, hey,
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we're going to shut you down.Churches had they didn't have anything to do
to shut you down. They alsoconned the churches. There's a lot of
churches that are that are responsible.Many got online because it was lazy,
you could tie a credit card.They still got the money, you know
what I'm saying. So all around, I think the Cares act. I
don't know what the numbers are.What was trillions? Who knows what it
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is by now, but you knowit was. I think it was a
big bailout. And then comes whathappens after that? Joe Biden comes in
and you have one of these nextbailouts called the Infrastructure Bill or something.
You know. Now here's the funnypart. You could look at states on
the mid Atlantic area, and everyone of those states, the governors and
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the treasurers and the auditors all cameout within two years of COVID and said,
we have billions of dollars in surplus. Well, how did you guys
become accountants overnight? How did youbecome frugal? How did you find all
these billions of dollars in surplus?You didn't have it before COVID. Right,
So the states got bailed out too, And what did they do?
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They built a few roads, Theyrepaired a few roads, They created a
few jobs. You know, Idon't want to mention the states. You
could look it up on mid Atlanticand the East coast. But for the
most part, all of these statesgot healthy. It's a bank bailout and
it was a state bailout. AndI think it's part of the dance to
keep this country alive economically, youknow what I'm saying. And the dances
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musical chairs, how do we keepit going? Because we know the economy's
bad. We know they'd come upwith crazy numbers. Right, we were
given zero interest rates to foreign countrieswhat ten years ago? You know,
and everything is back then when Obamawas around, it was zero eight interest
rates and anybody could borrow the moneybecause we wanted to keep the dollar flowing.
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And now we have an obstacle calledbricks. I don't know how much
of an obstacle it is, butright now what we have is we're a
hated nation. People want to runaway from the dollar, and what's happening
is it's not good for us.And when the musical chairs is over,
it's going to hurt us. AndI hope to god it's not as bad
as I think it is, butit could be. I hate to take
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a voyage time, but I wantto explain that. I want to drop
a few things in here, firstof all, because we do need to
understand this in a different context.It's not about COVID. I think you
understand that, and I think peoplein the audience are growing in their understanding
of it. I'm just going todrop a few pebbles so we can find
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our way back. So look atwhat happened in Jackson Hall, Wyoming in
September of twenty nineteen. They knewwe were going into a complete financial crash
and they were trying to figure outhow to deal with it. So COVID
provided the excuse. The other thingthat's going on here is an attack on
the United States national sovereignty. Isthere is an effort to destroy us as
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the reserve currency the world because thathas made us too powerful, too able
to go after elites, too ableto you know, kind of police the
world. They want a different system, you know, at least a multipolar
system. I worry about China's growingrole, particularly China wants to be dominant
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now. So these are underlying thingsthat were going on that people are not
looking at. And then the moneythat was floated to everybody. You know,
first of all, it helped tomake us all somewhat dependent on the
government, particularly if you're a smallbusiness. And then the impact on small
businesses, that's what we saw immediatelyas I saw friends of mine who are
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in their sixties having to close businesses, and it just pissed me off,
frankly, you know, we shouldhave stayed opened. John I and eighties
from Stanford showed that this disease wasnot anything to be afraid of. And
then we had the great doctors thatended up forming FLCCC that showed that there's
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treatment for what's going on. Andthen we had other information that basically anyone
under seventy this was like a flu. So this really was it was a
fraud from A to Z. Focuson the money, follow the money.
That's an important thing. But let'sunderstand that. And then now we've had
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and then the hospital desk, gettingback to one of the major topics that
we focus on. You know,then they killed people in the hospitals.
The work calls were wrong, theprotocols killed people. The only reason the
death rate looked so high is becausethey were you using drugs that killed people
in the hospitals. These people couldhave been treated with simple, cheap drugs
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like hydroxychloric when ivermectin, you know, some steroids, some antibiotics. We
have these cases pending right now,and they could have been treated maybe from
home if they've they've gotten early treatment, but certainly at the hospital and the
ventilators just killed people. When theyput people in venti laters, it tended
to kill them. When they gavethem from dezevir, it tended to kill
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them. So it's just horrific whatthey've done in the country. It's severely
weakened the citizenry, it's severely weakenedsmall business, and its severely weakened the
military because of all the people thatleft the military over this. And I
want to say one more thing aboutsmall business really quickly, Catherine. I
know you want to jump in here, but think about small businesses. What
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small businesses, which now we've losttwenty to thirty percent of our small businesses.
Those are family run businesses. You'reindependent economically, you're you are not
bound to all these national mandates andyou know, obligations in these small businesses.
That they wanted to destroy that independentsource of patriotism and pride, and
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that that also helps to destroy thosefamilies, and and that that's part of
this overall attack on the nation.Well, the overall attack also includes global
populations. So they were just theywere helping the global population guys, which
have been around forever. But youcan go next to Catherine, Go ahead,
doctor Mike, jump in whenever youhave a question here. I was
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just going to say, isn't theorganizational core of all this constitutional? And
wasn't it from the beginning How howis it possible to go two years and
not get a hearing before the SupremeCourt on things that were so on constitution
forcing people to be inoculated close theirbusinesses because of government mandates. I still
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don't understand how this not. Werepeople just afraid to do something? Were
they bought off? Was it ayes? So here this is exactly what
I was going to say. Youknow, you talked about the banks and
small businesses and stuff. But theother the other winners, if you would
call it, that, are thehospitals. I mean they made banks.
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They made a huge amount of money, a huge amount of profit. Also,
the schools made a lot of money. They received huge amounts of money,
far outside of their normal needs.But the trick about all of this
money, all of the money,is it comes with strings attached. Yes,
you have to do certain things.So hospitals went into this very happily.
(22:45):
They went in very happily, justdoing as Warner talked about these protocols,
where they followed the protocol. Theymade a huge amount of money and
a lot of people died. Andthen you have the schools. You want
to wonder, you wonder why allof the school systems seems to have lost
their minds over the last few years. Well, the money that was given
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to the schools through the government hadstrings attached to it. They were required
to follow the CDC guidance or elsethat that money would be yanked back,
and there were a huge I mean, I think Warner can speak more to
this. He dug into it alot more than I did, but into
the details. But that is theway that they're They're they're setting up systems
(23:30):
in order to control us in hiddenways where it's not even direct. It's
this is part of your your loanagreement, is that you have to do
these different things, and if youdon't, there are huge financial consequences that
will ruin you. That's exactly thesame method that they used in order to
to enforce the the vaccine mandates orquote unquote vaccine mandates in the hospital systems.
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They that made it through in thatyes, is allowed to say that
if you do not comply, wecan just yank the money. It's just
the money, it's not a mandate. And so that they're using money to
control our behavior. I agree withyou about hospitals because in our area Virginia,
West Virginia, Ohio. Let's sayin Pennsylvania, Maryland, especially West
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Virginia North, I guess the NorthPanhandle area, there was a lot of
hospitals ready to close. They werea bankruptcy. And on the south side
of Virginia there were a lot ofsmall local hospitals I guess that were part
of networks, you know, thatwere ready to close. And this was
just it was a big payday.Overnight jobs were created, hospitals stayed open,
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and the governors got on TV andsaid, look at what we're doing.
We're helping the healthcare system. We'rewe're we're pumping money like it was
their money, you know, we'repumping money into the system. And overnight
like try Cares and all these othernames. You know, you hear overnight
they were back in the black.When they were just about to close every
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door, every window, you know, block this, lock everything up.
And I said to myself, boy, oh boy, there's a ton of
money in this deal. People arejust getting paid off left and right.
And like you say, the cheapstuff hydroxically cork when in Ivermectin, they
were like, oh that, youcan't have that. I remember people taking
the horse pace of the ivermectin.They were like, hey, it doesn't
(25:23):
matter. It kills parasites and killsall this stuff. Right, you'll take
anything, but rather to get avax. And I remember they had the
National Guard at one hospital outside atent, stopping everybody with masks and saying,
okay, you can go in nowand get your vaccine. And one
governor in West Virginia was giving tuitionscholarships if you took a vax Are you
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out of your mind? And thenthe teachers were on like you said,
the teachers were on the laptops teachingfrom home because they made sure that well,
we didn't want the students to loseany education, right, But in
the meantime they were crying about thestudents didn't have high high speed internet.
So guess what comes in behind it, Catherine, fifty eight billion dollars.
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Fifty eight billion dollars. We're goingto get high speed internate internet. And
you know, nobody's getting starling,but they're going to get something, right,
And who they're going to get,they're going to get the local guy
who didn't want to give it tothem anyway. But now that the money's
free, right overnight, I thinkit was I want to say, frontier
communications. These guys couldn't put atelephone pull up on a Wednesday, and
(26:33):
the following Monday they had new trucksand fiber optic was going on. Think
about that, and I bet allwith strings attached too, I bet.
I mean, we had the samething in Ohio where they made a big
push about about getting more high speedinternet into rural areas. Yeah. Of
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course we have a heavy Amish populationhere too, so that was one of
that was kind of a an interestingthing. But it's I bet that there
are interesting requirements on those loans thator not that they weren't loans, they
were just full grants, full grants. I think some of them might have
been. But Mike and I livedin northern Virginia for many years, and
(27:17):
then fiber upter came a long yearsago through Verizon. But you have to
remember we've been hearing the tune ofyou know, rural communities in Virginia high
speed internet. I don't know,Mike, what twenty five years at least.
Yeah, and all of a sudden, the payday comes and it's called
COVID, and this is how we'regoing to bail everybody out, and we're
(27:37):
going to, like Warner says,we're going to just weaken our sovereignty and
we're going to join these clubs aroundthe globe. Can you you know,
Mike said this, I don't knowhow many times. Do you know what
it took, Catherine? Do youknow what it took to get all of
these government leaders on the same pagewith the vaccine? Do you have any
idea what kind of work went intoday? Well, I think it's it's it
(28:03):
doesn't yeah, it that definitely.I think there was some work that went
into But I think one of thethings to keep in mind is you can
have concerted behavior without having an actualmouth to mouth, you know, conspiracy.
(28:25):
Like that's what's happening in the hospitals, where the hospitals across the country
all behaved in exactly the same way, so they did exactly the same things.
And when you see something happening theexact same way everywhere, it's most
likely coming from a central source.And I believe that the central source for
the hospitals was CMS. I mean, CMS holds her strings there that that
(28:45):
amount of money is the most importantamount of money to all these hospitals it's
critical to their functioning. So CMSputs in certain the protocols and not so
much the protocols, but the moneyto pay. They put in bonuses.
Is they say we're going to reimburseat this rate, and and so the
hospital administrators, who only care aboutmoney and maximizing the money, will react
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and say, Okay, this iswhat we're going to do to maximize our
money, which then results in thesame behavior all across the country. And
I think that's a that's a hugeamount of what is happening where there is
some kind of outside stimulus that we'renot really seeing directly. And I do
think there are definitely people who arewho are masterminding this because everything that was
(29:33):
done from from the very beginning onwardswas designed to make people, to keep
people fearful and off off balance.But no doubt, Hey, for the
listeners around the globe and in America, tell us what CMS is, sorry,
Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.So yeah, I always let the
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people know. See, not everybodyhe knows the acronyms, you know,
and people speak on podcasts or showsand or they write blogs or whatever,
and they put acronyms and They're like, well, what does that all mean.
At the bottom line is it's allabout the coin. It's all about
the cash. You know, it'scash flow, and hospitals are just flow.
Listen, we have wings coming out, new wings in the last two
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years. You notice hospitals have newwings. Now they put another building and
all of a sudden from bankruptcy,you can now put a new building in
a new emergency room. Hey,we need doors on the emergency room.
We need a couple of new ambulancestoo. At one hundred and fifty thousand
pop. You know, I mean, it's just amazing. How the money
And you got to just watch thenews when these guys, these governors get
up and these states representatives get upand they say, yes, we have
(30:41):
a budget surplus. Where did itcome from? Well, how did you
get it? You know, we'regoing to fix the roads. Now,
we're going to do X Y.You know, we're going to do this.
We're going to where did it allcome from? Just right before COVID,
it wasn't it wasn't that exciting.It look like you guys are going
to close the doors, you know, and you have to add in the
politics to you both know, itwas Donald Trump being the president, so
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how do we knock him out of, you know, the perch, and
how can we get him to gowith it? All right? And everybody
around him pretty much spooked him,and Mike, what do you call those
people that hang around him? Serpents? I wanted to move on to the
good news a little bit. Youguys, go ahead, all right,
(31:29):
listen up. These attorneys that steppedup have been winning. And if you
even think about the federal mandates,remember the Supreme Court considered four of them,
and we won three out of thefour at the US Supreme Court.
We've been winning employment cases throughout theUnited States. We've been winning some hospital
cases now finally, and we're lookingat figuring out how to break through on
(31:53):
the vaccine injury and how to winin that area as well. But we
can't. What we're doing though,and the we reason we're winning is because
so many people stood up and theyhave helped to educate US attorneys about what's
happening to them. They have helpedprovide documents, they've analyzed documents and even
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their individual documents about their individual familymember's death. Matters. Whether you have
a malpractice case or not. Wemay have those, and we're trying to
figure out ways to figure out whichones are are good malpractice and not that
we can proceed forward. And I'lltell the other attorneys out there who may
be listening. You look at therecords and you find there's undiagnosed and untreated
(32:36):
conditions that should have been treated.That's the way around the prep BacT.
There's thousands and thousands of those.They may have had a heart problem or
bacterial pneumonia or something else. Theybring them in, treat them with the
COVID protocol, which kills them,and leave untreated something out there was that
they actually should have treated. Ishould say that differently. They treat them
(32:57):
with the COVID protocol, but theyfail to address so it's actually killing them
when you find that. And that'sthousands and thousands of these out there.
So when you find that, you'vegot a medical malpractice. But when you
look even someone who lost a lovedone and doesn't have a medical malpractice,
we look at those records. Thenfor fraud as a secondary issue, and
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medical malpractice has a short statute oflimitations, Fraud is a long one under
the False Claims Acted six years Sothat's what these victim communities are helping to
do right now, these injured andinjured communities, they're coming together and they
want to find a pathway forward.And that's what freedom counsels about, is
figuring out these pathways forward. We'regoing to throw the kitchen sink at them.
(33:43):
We may not hit them with thesink, but we're going to hit
them with the faucet. We're goingto find something right, find well,
we'll probably hit them with the entirehouse, and we'll find the top.
Maybe the house will come down onthem. Sure. One thing, actually,
I do want to say, Ireally want to emphasize something Warner said,
because I think a lot of peopledon't realize this, especially attorneys.
Where he talked about a medical malpracticethat you know, they didn't treat something
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that's not just, and and that'sa way around the prep Act. That's
not just, that's not just atheory. He's got several cases where that
has exactly happened. These are cases, These are COVID cases where where it
has gone through the motion to dismiss, it is continuing onwards, and uh,
the prep Act has been entirely subsidestep. This is this is not
(34:30):
by in the sky. This thisis real. This is this is a
true way forward, and and theamount of true malpractice UH that had nothing
to do with COVID or or anyof the things covered by the prep Act,
which is the prep Act has affordedUH total liability coverage for for basically
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anyone associated with any kind of damagefrom the administration of a covered countermeasure.
So, I mean, that's that'swhy the attorneys weren't taking these cases,
because they looked at it and said, well, that's ironclad. No,
it's not so. If you've alsoif you've called attorneys and with with you
know, a loved one who's killedin the hospital, well, and they
(35:13):
said, no, we can't doit. Yes, yes, there are
ways of doing it. Well that'sfantastic. You know, you guys are
so brave, all of you workingtogether. You know, I wish we
had a group like this that couldwork in helping the president President Trump,
but not only that, for anyonewho speaks out, because obviously you're tainted
(35:34):
and you probably can never have anotherjob and work in the legal industry.
You've seen the way they went afterthe lawyers around Trump, which I think
is disgusting. Okay, I mean, none of these guys should be blackballed,
but they are, you know,And I'm glad you're getting to the
Supreme Court and you're getting some wins. That's wins are always good, Mike.
Mike is big on baseball. Mike, you like wins, don't you.
(35:55):
I like wins. But I alsolike a pound of flesh. And
I think a great I think agreat way to hurt these people are exactly
what you're doing too. Yeah,Mike, Michael, let me let me
explain the pound of flesh side ofit. We can go there too.
Uh. And the pound of fleshis this. As we're digging through these
(36:16):
documents, we are finding crimes.I'm not saying that there's federal prosecutors or
even local prosecutors who are willing todo anything yet, but but we know,
and we have former federal prosecutors thatwe're working with to package, you
know, to work with the victims, to work with the families, to
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understand what's in the data, uhand what's in these in these medical records
and find the crime that occurred.Uh. So there criminal statutes of limitations,
as you guys may know, arealso very long. Fraud is six
years. Most crimes are six years. Murder may not have a statute of
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limitations, and there's various step downsfrom murder, second degree murder, reckless
or negligent homicide. There's a lotof things that that we think, we
see and hear that are crimes thatoccurred in hospitals that that we can use
to hold people accountable. And that'snot not to say the folks at the
national level who have lied to thepopulation, lied to Congress, violated their
(37:22):
oaths of office. You know,a properly uh, you know, properly
motivated federal prosecutor could go after Fauciright now and put him in prison and
shouldn't and and should So he needsto be questioned about all of his statements
to Congress, all of the inconsistenciesand lies, and we need to find
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out ultimately, you know, clearly, our our national uh you know,
our national labs funded to ni Hwere involved in the development of gain of
function and and help poist this onthe world, and then they were involved
in a failed response, completely failedresponse, and we're gonna be talking about
that at the conference too. ColonelJames Zitlow is opening the conference with the
(38:06):
history of pandemic planning. He lookedthey spent years maybe putting up a plan
and Zilow, you know, ColonelZitlow knows exactly what should have happened,
and it was a good plan.They threw out the book. They threw
the book away after all the money, millions of dollars spent planning. I
think you should go after the networkstoo, and the anchors personally, who
lied, who read the scripts,and you know that'll give them a little
(38:30):
fresher underneath their seat for sure.Now, when is the conference. Where's
it going to be. It's inDenver. We're coming up this week,
folks who are going to be thereFriday in Denver on the seventh, that
evening, we are actually going tobe showing a film, a beautiful film
by John Davidson called Epidemic of Fraud. So we'll get our mind straight right
(38:54):
off the bat. And then thenext morning we opened the conference with Colonel
Zitlow talking about the history of pandemicplanning and his work with NORAD, and
then we go into defending doctors buildingthese victim files. We go into elections
issues. Harry Harry I don't knowif you've heard of him. He was
(39:15):
he helped with the Help America VoteAct, and he'll talk about all the
elections violations that are going on.And then we're going to close out with
Miriam Grossman and her great book Lostin TransNation about the all the pharmaceutical money
pouring into you know, confuse ourchildren about what their sex is. Yes,
(39:37):
so it's a it's a very veryI mean, I can't even tell
you how excited I am. Andwe're working, we're working, it's so
hard not sleep but trying to getall this together. But I'm so excited
to see this thing coming together andI'm going to be so excited to all
to all the people. So we'regoing to have to get this thing up
real zimpny quick so you can getsome promo and some legs out of this.
(40:00):
What do you think about that,doctor, Mike, Yeah, we
can do that and we'll get alook at you split for them and get
it rolling and we appreciate you guys. Can the public just attend you got
to buy tickets out? Does thiswork? Yes? So exactly. So
this is not just for attorneys,because it's not just attorneys that need to
be involved here. Yes, wehave our main panels which are uh mainly
(40:24):
lawyer focused from a perspective of alawyer, but we actually have a breakout
sessions on Saturday morning with some reallyreally interesting people specifically targeted more towards medical
professional professionals and also vaccine injured,where you know, how how do you
start to engage with this process fromthe outside, How do we start integrating
(40:46):
people who have been sitting there onthe sidelines this full time. How do
you start understanding how this process works? How can you work for yourself and
also for the medical professionals for theirpatients, and how can they help us
uncover all of the fraud. Andwe also have defending yourself essentially from having
your medical licenses revoked. We havePaul Merrick and Pier Corey speaking at this
(41:10):
conference too, who have been justgiants in this and have been through been
through the worst of it in termsof being attacked for standing up. I
also want to say with the epidemicof fraud, that is a separate ticket.
As you ask, you do howdo people show up? We have
our website Freedomcounsel dot org has alink on it to our twenty twenty four
(41:32):
Freedom Counsel Conference. Currently, Ibelieve the tickets are six hundred and seventy
five dollars, though we do havesome discount codes available if you reach out
to her US and the Epidemic ofFraud is also available for purchase for I
believe it's twenty dollars and we canshare that link just for that one screening
(41:54):
and Q and A with the directorany Zoom show. Was there a cantain
so going on for the public,Yeah, we cannot. We cannot live
stream, but we will have recordingsof the event and both breakout rooms and
also of the main stage. Butit is something that I do think is
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really really critically important. One thingwe've learned over the last four years is
one of the most important things weneed to do is we really need to
get together in person and talk faceto face, because that is where the
best kind of communication happens. That'show we really can start understanding each other
in our other and different perspectives,and how we how we start really linking
(42:38):
it in. And it's not justabout the lawyers, it's also about the
victims. Warner and I were justdown in Houston for the hauled hospital homicide
rally and all these these family membersof people who had been killed by the
hospitals. They would tell their storiesand and it was quite the site to
just see warners sit there and listento them and start thinking of a brand
(43:02):
new way used to go after it. And it's not just him, it's
it's just the way that that attorneysthink when somebody comes up to them and
starts telling a story, they startthinking, what are the different ways of
attack that I can can can goafter it. So having bringing together a
whole bunch of victims who can youknow, say hey, oh yeah that
happened to me too, how thathappened to you? And then a larger
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group of attorneys listening to that andtogether saying oh well what about that?
What about this? And so thereis a real synergy about having people together.
So if you can come, definitelyrecommend it. We do have a
very steep discount on our hotel block, but I believe that ends on June
(43:44):
fifth or sorry, so doing fourthI believe, So okay, just a
couple of days away. All right, we want to thank you really,
thank you guys. I mean you'redoing great work. God's work, and
God bless you all that are attendingthis and fighting for the American people.
This is amazing and stuff, Imean just tremendous. So uh, please
come back after the conference, letus know how it goes. We'll roll
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again and to both of your salute, man, I mean, I mean
serious, this is beautiful stuff andwe'll continue to travel with you as you
go down the road. We canupdate you anytime with all the successes people
are having. There's a there's atleast a major success every month that we
could talk about, a major excellentbed. Please do, thank you and
(44:31):
thank you, thank you, allright, thank you guys,
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