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Ever wonder why some conversations just flow while others feel like pulling teeth? We kick off this episode exploring a fascinating New York Times study that reveals the secret to meaningful connections isn't finding similarities—it's creating shared moments through "riffing." This simple technique transforms small talk into genuine connection, whether with new acquaintances or longtime friends.

The legendary Pumpkin Spice Latte makes its seasonal appearance in our studio as we conduct a live taste test with surprising results. Despite its cult following and massive popularity, we're left questioning what all the fuss is about when the drink tastes more like "melted vanilla ice cream" than anything resembling pumpkin. Our honest reactions might make you reconsider your next coffee order!

Fashion trends take center stage as we discuss how Gen Z has officially declared leggings "out" while embracing track pants reminiscent of 90s hip hop dancers. We navigate the practical implications of this style shift (spoiler: some activities still require leggings) and share a personal shopping experience that confirms the trend. Plus, we mourn the discontinuation of the beloved s'mores Girl Scout cookie while questioning the confusing name of its replacement.

Throughout our conversation, we explore lunch traditions from around the world—from Japanese bento boxes to Danish open-faced herring sandwiches—while reflecting on our own midday meal preferences and the challenges of packing school lunches. The episode wraps with heartwarming highs and lows, including forgotten groceries, word game archives, and a touching moment when a daughter stepped up to help her tired mom.

Join our casual, authentic conversation that feels like catching up with friends over coffee (preferably not a PSL). Subscribe now and become part of our growing community of listeners who appreciate honest talk and unexpected insights about everyday life!

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
We really are recording a podcast.
Hi, thanks for joining us today.
It's Nora and Nora, did I jumpthe gun?
Well, you did ask should werecord a podcast?
I had consent.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
You know you're being recorded right.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, yeah, because I saw the timer go.
Yeah, welcome to all ourlisteners, old and new.
Glad you're here.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We are and Nora, we had a big response from our
episode last week on turtlenecks.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We sure did.
I thought you were going to saywe had a big response with our
hairdos.
Oh, but no, turtlenecks,turtlenecks People can really
relate.
Yeah, people weighed in.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I was surprised.
Our friend and marketing whizbanged Jessica.
She was like yes, I rememberwearing turtlenecks for family
photos.
I was like in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
They were a thing you should have said.
My friend Nora wore fringe onher shoulder, pads and fruit on
her shirt.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I still need to see a picture of this shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's hard to imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
There's not a lot of proof of my childhood, oh no, I
mean it's there, it's there Infamily photos, you know, yearly
photos, but yeah, not a lot ofspontaneous kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You wonder if my parents had a camera.
I'm just kidding, I'm kidding,I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Kevin likes to do this thing totally going off
track, where when he's going tobed it's like can we look at
pictures?
And he'll pick a year and amonth, and then we just look at
pictures from that year and thatmonth before he goes to bed.
I like it for a lot of reasons,but one of the reasons is I
delete all my screenshots andlike pictures of things you know
, like in your mom life, whereyou're like I can't forget this

(01:41):
or I'm going to take a pictureof this so it helps me weed out
nonsense.
But then we have found somereally funny videos and pictures
and I highly recommend it.
It's really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
My dad had a video camera growing up and I feel
like our generation of raisingkids really doesn't have too
much of that, Maybe when ourkids were younger but like the
older they get.
We just have those like quickvideos.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, and I think there are companies out there
that if you send them all yourvideos, they would compile them,
but then would you put them inlike a shared drive.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
It would just be fun like set it and forget it
Christmas morning on a tripod.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'll usually take a video of my kids coming down the
stairs.
Oh, that would be cute.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Every year, every year, I do have that.
If you had that compiled Tocompile them.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
But yeah, the turtlenecks continue to be a
conversation starter.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, so if you're at a cocktail party and you're at
a loss of what to discuss, may I?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
suggest turtlenecks.
I'm like oh, it's gettingchilly, you don't keep me warm.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I wish I had something for my neck.
It is getting chilly and I dohave something that would keep
you warm.
Last week, we talked about thepumpkin spice latte, indeed, and
Nora mentioned that it wasoriginally named the Fall
Harvest Latte, but Starbuckswanted to jump on board with
everything pumpkin, so I pickedone up for us.
You haven't tried it yet no.

(03:07):
I haven't tried it.
I did order it with outwoodcream.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Great, I hope you don't mind.
I was even thinking like, oh,she gets like a skinny one, I'm
good with that.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I almost did, but then I wanted to be like fruit
with that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh, oh, there, nutmeg .

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh, nutmeg, cinnamon, I don't know, I bet nutmeg.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You give it a whiff.
Oh, smell it, it smells good,it smells like fall, fall
harvest yeah, okay, it has kindof an unsettling color, but I
guess that's from the pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Or the latte, yeah, coffee, and what is it?
Oh, I asked him.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
So it's.
I'm glad Espresso, 2% milk andpumpkin syrup Essence of pumpkin
and you've put out suchbeautiful cups for us to try it
in.
It has a bit of a cheese colorto it.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now I know why people drink it with the top.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
With the top on.
Yeah, I mean, everything'salways better with the top.
It looks like I kind of want to.
I'm just going to smell itagain.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, cheers.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay, cheers.
Oh, it's very sugary, that's Iwas going to say.
It doesn't taste like pumpkin.
To me, it just tastes likesugar.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
It tastes like fall sugar.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Just tastes like coffee sugar.
These are all the rage Becausesometimes I, if I'm really tired
, tired I'll get a caramelmacchiato but that at least I
get a tall, skinny caramelmacchiato in that.
You get that sometimes too, oh,and that you can taste the.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
That is not as sweet as this this just tastes like
sugar, water, sugar, milk sugarmilk.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
yeah, I don't even taste the coffee.
Why would you?
Yeah, I don't even taste thecoffee.
Why would you drink this?
I don't even taste pumpkin.
You just taste sugar.
Because I like pumpkin, I liketo make pumpkin bread, I like
pumpkin pie.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But you can't taste like the nutmeg or the anything.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, that comes with pumpkin and we poured ours out,
so it should all be mixed in.
Hmm, I don't know.
I mean, I'm happy for them thatit's so successful and that
people really like it, but I'mnot.
I don't taste the pumpkin Same.
I was worried it was going tobe like pump too much pumpkin.
Yes, yes, I'm missing.

(05:17):
There's not enough pumpkin.
No, I'm so surprised.
This is like a dessert.
I was also.
It's like soup, it's like sweet, it's like melted ice cream.
There you go, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's kind of, but it's not pumpkin ice cream.
No.
It's not melted pumpkin, it'sjust vanilla ice cream.
Yeah, it's melted vanilla icecream.
Yeah, warmed up.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Hmm, huh, warmed up.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Hmm, I mean it's sweet, yeah, yeah, but if I was
going to get something just tobe sweet, I would rather get a
hot chocolate, I would ratherget the caramel macchiato.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
This is less.
This is more sweet, I would say, than a hot chocolate.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
This just tastes like sugar.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, well, bummer, okay, I wonder if other
people like do you know peoplein our real life?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
that are on the.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
PSL.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
LOL, idk, idk, okay, tbd.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, brb.
Do they BRB Some other kind offlavor news?
Girl Scouts are getting rid ofone of my favorite cookies.
What is it?
I really like the s'more GirlScout cookie.
I've never had a s'more cookie.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's great.
Well, you're out of luck now.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You never know.
The ship has sailed.
I'm so sorry, it was a grahamcracker cookie and then the
inside filling, so it was asandwich cookie.
The inside filling was halfchocolate, like an Oreo.
Yes filling, so it's a sandwichcookie.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
The inside filling was half chocolate like an oreo,
yes half, chocolate halfmarshmallow.
I love that for them.
Oh, it was the best.
Maybe oreo will come out withthis more.
That would be nice.
I think they did, or we'vetried so many everything but
they're, so they're getting ridof that.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
and then another cookie called the Toast Yay,
which I say good, I'm on boardfor that, because I don't even
know.
I'm imagining those like smalllittle pieces of toast that they
put off for like cocktail hours.
But anyways, the new cookie iscalled an Explore Mors, but it's
deceiving because it's actuallya Rocky Road ice cream flavor.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh, it sounds like s'mores.
Yes, this is poor marketing.
I'm flavor.
Oh, it sounds like s'mores.
Yes, it's for marketing.
I'm like no, just keep thes'mores.
Yeah, no, it was a little Ilike a thin mint.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's staying.
I think if they got rid of thatpeople would go to war with the
Girl Scouts.
They'd be protesting about that.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, hey, speaking of trends and things you are so
in, I am.
Yeah, I read an article thatsaid all the it women are
dressed like 90s hip hop dancers.
Leggings are lagging.
When I called you to ask youabout my pants, they're on point
.
Gen Z is like leggings are out.

(08:02):
Yeah, adios, leggings.
You look like boomers, oh, andif you are attending workout
classes, they're all in, giveyour legs some room to breathe.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So, listeners, I called Nora the other day and
you were like, oh, are youcalling about something?
I said, no, I need to ask youabout my pants Because I bought
a pair of.
I mean you really you have tocall them track pants.
Yeah, you do.
They're track pants.
They're like that plasticswishy material.
It was the perfect way todescribe it.

(08:33):
Okay, yes and so, but then Iwas confused because it felt old
to wear them.
But actually, what's old is newagain?
Yeah, it felt like a throwback,yes, but I have to say really
enjoyed wearing them socomfortable, they looked so cute
on you and you had an option oflike a straight leg, or you
could pull the elastic at thebottom and cinch them Like a

(08:55):
bubble, Like a bubble, likegenie pants.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
They were darling.
Oh well, thank you.
So I will say I can switch tothose for like athleisure wear,
but I'm going to have to hold onto the leggings for running
because I can't.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, even I was thinking for Peloton.
I think your pant legs wouldget stuck in the bike gears.
I think you're right.
Also, I don't know howcomfortable it would be to sweat
in those pants.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
So from a functionality point of view,
I'll hold on to the leggings,yes, but for running to the
grocery store I'll have toswitch.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes For casual kind of athleisure.
Yeah, I highly recommend them.
Yeah, they're very cute.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't shop online.
And they're waterproof, so Ididn't order them, so hopefully
they have them in store.
Yes, hey, I was reading a story, yes, about this Texas family.
Okay, stop me, if you've heardthis, maybe I know them that's
expecting their first baby girlin the family in 108 years.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
No way.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yes, the last time a girl was born in the family was
1917.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Isn't that crazy, that's wild, I know so like boys
on boys on boys.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
All the boy, cousins and uncles and all the women who
have married into that family.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's just a whole bunch of in-laws, outlaws,
whatever laws.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Just a lot of boys.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, oh, that's a really sweet story Isn't that
funny.
I need to think that yeah, hewas 108 years.
They did a gender reveal.
I bet the whole family was likeboy and I didn't get all the
details on it, but theysurprised the dad.
So when the dad came in it wasall the family like surprised.

(10:36):
Oh, so yeah, was he likeverklempt.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, oh, that's really sweet.
When Rose was born, al was likeI didn't realize how much I
wanted a daughter.
Oh, that's really sweet.
When Rose was born, al was likeI didn't realize how much I
wanted a daughter.
He's like I really wanted tohave a girl.
So, yeah, it was sweet.
Because he's one of three boys.
He has mostly boy cousins.
He has one girl cousin who'sclose and that's Rose's
godmother.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think it's interesting that you have three
boys and your fourth was a girl,and then your cousin has four,
three girls and her fourth was aboy.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yes, and we're only two days apart, and then our
youngest are four days apart,something like that.
It was very cute.
Yeah, it all worked out kind ofnice.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Let me ask you about your boys real quick.
Oh sure, Are they all intoLegos?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
At varying degrees.
I would say Aiden is the most,and then Rory, and then Kevin,
probably the least.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Have you heard about this 9,000 piece Death Star from
?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Star Wars?
Yes, I have, because Aiden hasvery strong opinions on it.
It's $1,000.
Oh, it's two feet tall, he doesnot care for it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh, which is good, because I'm like you're not
going to get it.
It just looks like it's like abackdrop almost for your mini
things it's weird because a lotexactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So usually when they come out with these the Death
Star, it's an actual like globe,kind of like an orb, oh do you
have one, the Death, no, but theround.
It's almost like a moonsatellite kind of thing.
This one is almost like across-section of the Death Star
and Eden does not care for it.

(12:10):
Okay, well, good, that savesyou a brand.
Yeah, I'm like great, yeah,because that would not be in the
budget.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah right, it's expensive, but as I kept reading
, I found that 15% of all Legosales come from adults.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I just bought myself a Lego set.
What?
So we were in the Lego storeand you know I have Lego flowers
, which make me happy and theyhad a Halloween wreath.
That was really cute and Idon't have a lot of Halloween
decoration and I was like Rose,should I get this and we'll put
it together Together, yeah.

(12:45):
Put it together, together,terrible sentence and we'll
build it together and she wasall on board, so, yeah, last
night we started it.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
How big is it?
Is it wreath size?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's not that it's not huge, it's a very small
wreath.
But what I didn't anticipate isthat there's so many little
itty bitty, tiny pieces on it.
So she was great with the bigstructure part, but then the
little nitty gritty pieces werehard for her to figure out where
they actually did.
You enjoy it?
I did, I do.

(13:16):
I like following directions, Iknow you do, and I hate
following directions becausepart of me was nervous.
I was like are they just goingto tell me to decorate this in
any way I want?
And then I was like oh, thankGod, no, they were like this
goes here, this goes here.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Often, when I put things together, I feel grateful
to the manufacturer because itseems like they always give me
extra pieces.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh, isn't that good to lose one.
Sometimes they do.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
So, nora, we talk a lot about small talk and getting
to know people.
There was a really interestingarticle in the New York Times
about how people introduce andmeet each other in small talk
incorrectly.
They just did a whole studyabout how people assume like the
best way to connect or get toknow someone is through shared
experiences Like I like blue,you like blue, I like dogs, I

(14:10):
like dogs when really the bestthing to do is to build a shared
reality.
And they call it riffing.
Like riffing playfully versusexisting similarities and it
doesn't mean having to be likefunny or witty, just attentive
and embrace spontaneity.
Like it's kind of saying likeoh, that reminds me.
Oh, you like the color blue,that reminds me of this blue

(14:33):
slushy I found Someone left iton their car and I was driving
behind them and it fell off andhit my windshield and then being
like, oh my God, can youimagine the person in that car,
what they would have said, kindof creating a story out of a
very small detail.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Does this make sense.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay, like inside jokes and how it kind of puts
you on the same wave.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like it levels the playing field yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
So, like the focus is not what is the same, but what
can you create in that moment,well, you can create together.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, so nobody has more skin in the game, kind of.
So you don't have to listen tosomebody talk about something at
a bar for an hour.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, Kind of like if someone got a new dog, they'd be
like oh my gosh, can youimagine what that dog must be
thinking Like?
Who are all these new?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
people and look at all these shoes I could chew on.
Yes, instead of like oh, yougot a new dog, I have a new dog.
New dogs are great, yes, andreally time consuming.
Just hypothetically speaking.
They make you really tired,right.
Like you, go to your room at6.30 pm.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Just spitballing, just hypothetically, but I
thought that was veryinteresting.
I'm going to try that and Ithink that is something you and
I you do.
I think we do Because when wehave weird things happen to us,
I think we always kind ofpretend, basically, or think
about what the other personmight be thinking.
Or the other people around mustbe thinking when we're laughing

(16:02):
.
We had a situation at thesharty party where we kind of
did that, where we were likeriffing.
Yeah, we were, and you build onit and you have that kind of
thing.
So I thought that wasinteresting.
Yeah, I'm going to keep that inmind.
I mean, I have the link to thearticle if people want to read
about it.
But they also said it's notjust for new people.
It works in all relationships,like with your spouse, with your

(16:26):
friends and I was thinking mysiblings and I do that a lot.
Oh, you do when we'll like makeup scenarios Like in the moment
, be like oh my gosh, could youimagine this?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Or what if this who's the funniest family on the
planet.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, maybe because we riff, I don't know Whatever
you're doing is working, I don'tknow.

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Speaker 2 (17:31):
Our topic today is lunch.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I love lunch, do you?
Yes, okay, I start thinkingabout lunch as soon as I finish
breakfast.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Really.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Every day.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh, my goodness See, I eat breakfast thinking, oh I
wish I had like chocolate chippancakes and hash browns and
waffles, as I'm eating my totalcereal.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know what?
My B12 was low.
So now I've shifted frominstant oatmeal that I call
gruel to bran flakes that Ithink are kind of like total you
should try total.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's got all the vitamins in it.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah.
So she said eat a cereal.
With what is it fortified, mm?
Did the doctor tell you that?
Yeah, I wish she would havetold me that I got a bupkis.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
What?
She never said anything.
What did she say?
Bupkis, which is like a Yiddishword, I think for nothing.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
You got bupkis Bupkis .
No, it's not great.
What's?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
going on?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I was wondering what was going on in your visit.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I would like a little extra more attention, but not
that much.
Just some follow-up would benice.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Did she send you an email?
No, no.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's what I'm telling you.
Spell that.
I think it's B-U-B-K-I-S,bupkis, unless it's B-U-P.
I'm going to check it out now.
Okay, so I just looked it up.
I spelled it wrong.
It's B-U-P-K-I-S.
Sometimes it's B-U-B-K-E-S, sobupkis or bupkis.
But the term originates fromthe Yiddish word for beans and

(19:14):
evolved to refer to a small goator sheep droppings which
resemble beans, leading to itsuse as a derogatory term for
worthlessness.
So here's an example ofsomebody's.
This is the example from theOxford Dictionary.
You know, bupkis aboutfundraising.
Ooh yeah, those are fightingwords, fighting words.

(19:36):
So yeah, there you go.
There's your word of the dayBupkis, bupkis.
Great, but back to lunch.
Back to lunch.
I didn't realize you were sucha lunch person.
Oh yeah, I love a lunch.
What are you eating for lunch?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I will say I don't love going out for lunch during
the week unless it's a quicklunch.
I love a quick lunch because mytime is spread so thin, like I
have only so much time to do somany things without kids.
That, if you want to meet forlike 45 minutes for lunch,
fantastic.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But I get anxious about spending Because if you
meet for lunch at like 1230 andthen all of a sudden it's two
o'clock.
You've really only got an hourbefore your people come home.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yes, and so I think that's where it gets me.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, you think like oh no, you basically have to
have everything done for yourday before lunch.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, and this it might be different for you
because you were a teacher whenyou were working, Like your
full-time job has always beenteaching mostly.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
So what was that like Teacher lunch?
Teacher lunch can go two ways.
Sometimes, if you had stuff todo after school, you would work
through lunch in your room, oh,in grade papers and lesson plan
To get things done.
Yeah, but I really liked myteam, all my teams.
So then it was fun to sit andvisit and catch up In the

(21:02):
teacher's lounge.
Yeah, how?
What is the?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
vibe in the teacher's lounge.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I guess it depends on the school, but our school was
always pretty good.
Yeah, yeah, we had a greatgroup, like we were so lucky and
I know some of the ladies thatI formerly taught with listened
to this.
And I know they would agreethat we had a really special
group of staff and it was like afamily oh, and it kind of had a
reputation for being like that.

(21:26):
Oh, okay, yeah, so it was nice.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
That people would hear where you worked and be
like, oh, that's a great spot.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
And then I moved to another school where I had a
physician that they asked, howdid you build that?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Because they wanted to mirror it.
Oh my gosh, what a lovelycompliment.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
To your other school that people were like we've
heard how nice.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So you looked forward to going and sitting.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Into lunch.
That's neat Because when Iworked at my jobs my various
different jobs because when Iworked at Ritz-Carlton there was
a cafeteria and they providedfood, oh, and the food was
delicious.
So you never had to pack alunch.
So I never had to pack a lunch.
It was free and it was good.
And then every once in a whilethey'd have extra from luncheons

(22:08):
or dinners and stuff and youwould would get like the good
stuff.
Oh, really, Well, taken care of.
Yeah, it was a fantastic placeto work.
I loved working there, but itwas nice, but then it was also
kind of like you never left thebuilding.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Right, right, like I'm like at jobs where I'm like
I was more.
But the people who worked therewere so nice too.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
They had a TV in there, but that was worth it to
stay in.
If you have lunch, great.
What do you think about packinglunch for your kids?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
So my husband and I have differing opinions.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And he packs a lot of lunches, doesn't he?
He does.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Because when I was growing up, I think when we were
either in fourth or fifth grademy mom was the lunch.
She said the lunch stops here.
The lunch was up to you.
You pack your own lunch, whichI think is great, and so I said
to my husband I think theyshould pack their own lunches,
and he disagreed.
Also, now he packs them, so hepacks lunches.

(23:05):
So when he goes out of town hehas to send me a note of what
everybody gets.
Do they have any say, I try notto be involved at all.
Yes, they have a lot of say,which I think is fine.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Does he buy the lunch ?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
food.
No, oh, okay, I buy the lunchitems and then he distributes it
to their lunch boxes.
But I was thinking, I alwaysused a brown bag.
I never had a proper lunch box,I mean maybe when I was little.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, when I was really little, like St Barnabas,
we'd walk home from lunch.
Wow, and I love that.
I wish our kids still did that.
No, you do.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You just said you don't like going out for lunch
because it messes up your day.
Can you imagine if your kidscame home for lunch?
That would jack up your time.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I'd be the worst.
Well, I would probably havemyself a proper lunch instead of
six handfuls of pretzels and aDiet.
Coke.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
So that's the thing you look forward to lunch, but
then you only eat pretzels and aDiet Coke.
No, no, no, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I'll scour the fridge for whatever.
If I use a plate, I will eat amore proper lunch.
Oh, okay, you put your pretzelsup and your diet coke and like,
and I get up so early thatsometimes by like 10, 30 like,
all right, you're gonna hit 11o'clock, so do you have your

(24:22):
cereal at 5 30?
Uh, depends.
Well, this dog situation wasreally messing with my my
morning workout.
Oh, because ryan promised wecould get a dog but then said he
wouldn't help with it, which Ikind of get, because he does
have to get out the door forwork.
Yeah, and she's so little nowthat we have to have our eye on

(24:42):
her, sure, so I can't be likeout running or on the Peloton,
yeah, so I've had to work outafter her, so I've been eating
early, but usually I work out,or usually I eat after I work
out.
Okay, because I usually eatbreakfast with my St John's
kiddos so around like 7.45.
I love that you sit down andeat lunch with them or breakfast
with them.
Wouldn't it be fun if?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
they walked home.
If they walked home for lunch,yeah, no, because my kids all
eat different things and in thesummer, making lunch for them,
I'm like all right, you wantpeanut butter, you want noodles,
you want chicken nuggets, youwant ham salad sandwich, and I'm
like ugh and you do.
You want noodles, you wantchicken nuggets, you want ham
salad sandwich, and I'm like ughand you do.
You're a good mom.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
And I make it for them.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, that's nice, but I love our friend Annabelle
Monaghan, who was like told herboys find a job that provides
lunch.
Yeah, I'm out Because it is onemore meal during the day to
make and clean up after.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Although I think it's easy.
Now my kids grab a fruit, avegetable that's already Ziploc
bagged until like Wednesday.
Oh, okay, and then they're on asalad kick, oh.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I got a text.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
The other day, while I was at physical therapy we're
out of dressing.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I was like, oh, See if we can get some at school.
You're like don't we have?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
some oil in there.
Yeah, I know.
Throw it in there, but I don'treally mind making it.
It just does take a lot of time, like when we have special
lunch, the big kids buy.
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That is a nice thing.
Yeah, I think our grammarschool is having a special lunch
next week.
I'm excited for that.
My mom.
I don't think she ever made uslunch.
Did she eat lunch?
No, she still doesn't reallylike to eat lunch.
Like if we go out to lunch, ithas to be a place that has
breakfast as an option, becauseshe wakes up later, she eats
breakfast for so long.

(26:28):
She doesn't eat a lot ofbreakfast at home.
She'll eat like an Englishmuffin, but it'll take her an
hour and a half Because she'lldo one half at a time, oh, and
she'll sit and she'll take athousand bites.
A sip of tea, well, maybe I'llput some laundry in, maybe I'll
make a phone call, maybe I'll dowords with friends, maybe I'll
wordle and then she'll put theother half in.

(26:49):
That's probably a good way todo things.
But growing up we would sleeplate and then have, like in the
summer, like have breakfast, andthen I don't think we ever I
don't remember having lunch,unless I was in school.
I remember you saying that.
So who knows?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
You made it out of it .

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I survived, but now I typically eat a peanut butter
sandwich for lunch or a grapenut sandwich.
I've left those behind me.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I love our lunch because there's very few people
I can call and be like.
You want to go to Pot Valley?
Do you want to go to the taco?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
place.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh yeah, we haven't been there in a while, I know,
but it's like I could have afast lunch with you, yes.
And also typically we do like aworking lunch.
A working lunch, I mean, weobviously write it off for our
business.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yes, right.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
But yeah.
No, I, I did look into lunchesaround the world.
Yes, this is, I'm very NoraTaylor of me.
Oh, look at you, go, go.
I was like and and.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, I thought you said I looked it up and I didn't
write anything down.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
But I did read about it.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I'm so nervous.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, I was reading about the bento box in Japan.
I'm like I could get behindthat.
Veggies, rice and meat thereyou go, Preferably cooked, but
whatever.
India, the tiffin box?
Yes, that was cute.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I know that they have companies that will deliver
them to you.
It's like a little stack.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yes, because they're worried about food poisoning um
I so they want to eat from home.
I do.
I think it would create a lotof work when we get home like
teaming up after it, but it wasso cute.
I wasn't sure how you felt,though.
There was a carb on the bottom,some sort of like pickled
something in the middle, andthen a salad on top.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I'm happy for them for that.
Okay, I think it's it's, it'scute and it's a thing that's
really unique to India.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
All right, I'm going to try Denmark.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
A smørrebrokt.
It's an open-faced sandwichOkay, typically with pickled
herring oh, that's their face.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Another fish, and horseradish.
And a breath mint.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think that sounds smelly, that is so smelly First.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'm bringing like tuna to the hop.
But then I guess if everybodyyou know, if that's the popular
thing, it's like oh, PB&J.
No, I got my my earpiecepickled herring, Like clearly
your mom doesn't love you if youdon't have pickled herring Okay
, but my favorite was Costa Rica.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, the Quesado, which means marriage.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
So it's like rice and beans and meat and veggies and
a salad Great, all kind ofmish-mashed.
I'm in.
Yeah, it sounded great.
It sounded like a burrito,almost kind of like a burrito.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Tell me about this.
In England, packaged sammies ahyes, okay, this is a big thing.
They've got a lot the pret amanger and then there I can't
remember the name of the otherplace, but they're it's a
sandwich on bread and then notlike a roll.
I know it sounds dumb.
It's on sliced bread, not on aroll, or a wrap.
Well, maybe some wraps cut intriangles it said, cut in
triangles, and then it's folded,so it's packaged where you can

(29:59):
see the inside, so you can seethe cross section, and they're
all ready to go.
But every single one of themhas mayonnaise on it and that's
what didn't work for me, becauseI would say 99% of these
sandwiches have mayonnaise.
It's a lot of.
Does it get soggy?
I don't, I didn't eat it.
Oh, so I don't know.
There was one at Pret-a-Mangerthat I used to get because it
didn't have mayonnaise.

(30:20):
It had like a pesto-y kind ofthing on it.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
But this is Pesto for breakfast.
Yesterday I did.
I know I didn't feel about that.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I felt bad because I feel like this is a huge and I
would always be like can I get asandwich made?
And they're like no, they'reall right there, they don't like
choices.
Like when some like friends,British friends of mine would be
like Subway stresses me outbecause it's too many choices, I
was like, no, it's meat, it'scheese, it's fillings, yeah,
what they're like.
I'd rather just get a pre-madesandwich Like your bananas.

(30:55):
You fry it, but yeah, that's athing.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I like our lunch.
I do love a sandwich.
It's probably one of myfavorite foods, same.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And my kids are not big sandwich people.
I'm trying to change that.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You've got to change that.
Yeah, I mean, if you can't eata sandwich, you're really in a
pickle.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Do they like a BLT?
No, oh.
But you know what?
I don't like BLTs, so I'venever really done it.
I don't like tomato really.
I had a tomato, mymother-in-law.
She said if she could only eatone thing for the rest of her
life, it would be a BLT.
No, kidding, mm-hmm.
Wow.
So she really feels stronglyabout it, she does.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Should we launch into highs and lows?
Yes, okay, can I go?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, you go first because I have the dumbest low.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well, I've been thinking about yours because you
said you had one.
My low is that the dog schedulehas my morning workout, a rep,
and then I have to do it laterin the day and I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, no, well, I'm sorry, so I've taken on a little
part-time job.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yes, it's a lot of time, more than part-time.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But anyways.
So I'm a little frazzled, justtrying to keep things, keep my
family ecosystem in check that'sa nice way to put it.
I also know that I'm a big fanof picking up my groceries.
I do, I order them online and Igo and I pick up my groceries.
So last Friday I picked upgroceries and I got to my house,
my parents were helping and Ikind of got everybody sorted and

(32:19):
then I went to work and thenover the weekend people were
like oh, we're out of this,we're out of that, and I was
like gosh.
I feel like I just oh, my gosh,I'm surprised we're out of
bread and milk and like kind oflike some cereals, like staples,
things.
I was like gosh.
So then on Monday placed a biggiant grocery order and I got

(32:39):
home and I was taking the bagsout of the trunk and I was like
this ice cream is warm.
Like what happened?
I was like what the heck,mariano?
And then I was like thesefrozen mini pancakes Warm, what
the heck.
And then I realized oh, here'sice cream that's cold and frozen

(33:03):
pancakes that are frozen.
I picked up my groceries onFriday and left them in my car
all weekend.
Did you bring them back?
No, no, that was my fault.
Okay, I just I mean threw awaythe ice cream, I mean, but then
I had also Was there anythingsalvageable?
Yeah, because I had, and I waslike gosh when I was like I
really thought I ordered thisstuff.
Now I have so many bags ofchips, I have so many loaves of

(33:28):
bread and like little minipretzel rolls that they eat for
lunch.
I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're going to be eating at home all week.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes, I'm like everyone is just eating toast
and Cheetos, great, and I waslike, oh, I hate when I do that.
I was like what I'm so luckyProps to Tillamook ice cream.
Oh yeah, that that ice creamdidn't melt out.

(33:56):
Their containers are rock solidbecause, oh, that could have
been a mess.
It could have been a mess andit really could have been worse,
but I was just so, not even mad, just like.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Come on Going ahead I know, how could I forget to
take that out of my car?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Because we're just moms, like Ugh, like you go that
out of my car, because we'rejust moms, like keep it all
together.
So anyways, okay, if you needany bread, okay come talk to me.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I wish I knew that because, yes, this yesterday I
was making sandwiches and I waslike gosh.
I thought I had rolls to makesandwiches.
Oh, because I bought them.
And then when ryan got homehe's like I threw away a package
of rolls because they lookedkind of old.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I was like oh, that's where the rolls are you need
pretzel rolls Okay.
Bread, bread.
I'm your girl, thank you.
What's your high?
Oh my God, this is the bestnews.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I'm looking, it's a word that, oh, groceries.
Oh, that's my thought.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
So you know I'm a fan of the New York Times games.
Yes, Okay, so I do Wordle, I doall my little word games and
what's great is that Wordle andConnections has an archive, so
if you miss a day you can goback and play oh, look at that.
But Strands the word searchthat doesn't give you a word.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
bank never had an archive search that doesn't give
you a word.
Bank never had an archive, soif you missed it, you know if
you I would like strands, youwould love strands.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
So now they have an archive, so now I can go back.
But how?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
do you know the ones I missed?
How do you know what wordsyou're looking for?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
they give you a clue, so there's a theme to it how
many words are there?

Speaker 1 (35:34):
so you know, are there, so you don't until the,
until all the rooms.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So today's theme is take a break.
So I found.
So it's always you could take abreak, unplug, exercise,
journal, meditate.
And then what is this one?
Oh, paint walk, oh, wow.
And then there's always oneword, that's the theme, and I

(35:58):
can't figure out what it is fortoday.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
But you can go back, or does it expire tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, but now there's an archive, so they'll expire.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Oh right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So yesterday's strand , like the common theme, was
school schedule.
That was the theme and then soall of the other words were
school subjects, english science, lunch recess math and music.
So I'm stuck today on what thestrand, the common thread for

(36:31):
all these words is.
But I'm so excited that there'san archive, because I can go
all the way back to June.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Look at that or no In all your spare time.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh my God, it's like a whole year of strands this is
like the best news.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I love this for you.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Thank you, because then some days I'm like, oh, I
never finished the strands.
But then I was like it's gone,it's lost, but not anymore Not
anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
You're back, I'm back , All right, great.
What is your hike?
Oh well, my highest.
Last night I retired for theevening at approximately 630.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I love this for you.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And then when I came down this morning, lunches were
all laid out and the kitchen wasclean.
What my daughter, elle, shesaid, and then she poked her
head in last night.
She's like, I know you're notprobably asleep.
I just want to let you know Idon't think you should stay up
late thinking about things.
I think you should just try andget a rest.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Oh, and she took care of it she took care of
everything.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, bless her.
So that was a nice way to startmy day.
That is lovely, yeah, and onthat note, should we go grab
lunch?
Sure, let's do it.
Bye.
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