September 8, 2025 • 34 mins
Fall has officially arrived, and we're celebrating with our signature blend of random observations and seasonal musings! Fresh off our annual Chardy Party (complete with a giant bottle of Rombauer and an unexpected second wave of late-night revelry), we're diving into autumn with renewed energy and plenty to discuss.
Have you ever wondered what Chardonnay-flavored lip oil tastes like? Spoiler alert: not like Chardonnay at all! We sample this peculiar product and discover it's more cake batter than wine, which leads us down a rabbit hole of fall trends including the famous Pumpkin Spice Latte that was almost called something entirely different. Did you know Princess Kate is going blonder? Should brown pants really be this season's wardrobe staple? We have thoughts.
The conversation takes some unexpected turns as we explore Europe's recent ban on gel nail polish due to concerning chemicals, Iceland's conservation efforts that literally involve throwing baby puffins off cliffs (for their own good!), and the extravagant transformation of college dorm rooms that has us questioning whether students should still experience the character-building joys of "roughing it." But the heart of our episode is a spirited debate about turtlenecks - from their practical origins protecting medieval knights' necks to their evolution as fashion statements worn by everyone from Audrey Hepburn to Steve Jobs. One of us champions their elegance while the other questions their comfort, all while reminiscing about our 1980s childhood fashion experiences that included unfortunate haircuts, coordinated outfits, and accessories with plastic fruit.
Join us for this cozy fall conversation filled with laughs, nostalgia, and maybe even some fashion inspiration. Whether you're Team Turtleneck or not, we promise you'll be entertained by our journey through seasonal trends, bizarre global phenomena, and memories of matching pinafores!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi, thanks for joining us today.
It's Nora and Nora, thanks forjoining us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, welcome back to all our regulars.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We are sure glad you're here.
Where were they?
I don't know?
Well, I don't know, but justthat they come back all the time
.
Oh yeah, they were probably offenjoying a fabulous Labor Day,
indeed, I hope they had afabulous Labor.
Were probably off enjoying afabulous Labor Day, indeed, I
hope they had a fabulous LaborDay.
I had a fabulous Labor Day.
I had a very busy Labor Dayweekend.
You sure did.
Yeah, closed it out with theannual Shardy Party, which is
(00:34):
always a delight.
It was a rager this year.
Yeah, it was.
It was so fun.
I got a little ahead of myself.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
See, the nice thing about not liking Chardonnay is
at the Chardy party.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm usually on the straight and narrow yes, yes and
I.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We just get to celebrate Chardonnay once a year
, so I like to make the most ofit and thank you to our friend
who hooked us up with a giganticbottle, the biggest bottle of
Chardonnay I've ever seen, thebiggest bottle of Rombauer I've
ever seen.
She was a beaut.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
She was so beautiful she stole the show.
Yeah, she did.
She was our guest of honor.
A huge shout out to our pal whomade that happen.
Yes, and your wall was a hugehit the Chardonnay wall.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, that was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
A huge shout out to friends who helped make that
happen too.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Takes up the witch.
But that was so fun and whatmade me laugh about that night
was that it was winding down andin my brain at the moment I was
like, all right, we'll helpNora clean up, we'll get things
this and that.
And then we had a second wave.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We had a second wave.
That I certainly wasn'texpecting, but gosh, it made for
good material.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And then fast forward .
I got home at 2.30.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, but that second wave didn't go home.
No, they got home probably atlike four.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They took their party to a hot tub.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yowza, definitely not where I anticipated anyone's
evening.
No, so it made for a slow gofor me monday.
Oh, okay, because I have thatdog.
You do have that dog, and ascute as a button.
Yeah, that dog doesn'tunderstand going to bed at 2 25
at night.
She also stole the show atshardy.
I woke up with her and thenryan woke up with her and then
(02:23):
can you hear her like an infant.
Well, yeah, because she's rightnext to our bed and then when
Ryan came down the stairs thesecond time I was like I'm going
back to bed Because I justcouldn't function.
But she's very good.
She is pretty much pottytrained and she sleeps through
the night and you know shesounds like an infant she does.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh my goodness, so now fall is here.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Fall is here, but, speaking of Chardonnay, I have
something for us to try.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh, is it a little mini bottle?
It's a yellow box and it saysChardonnay.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So is it a little.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's a broad spectrum SPF 30 sunscreen lip oil from
Vacation labeled Chardonnay Lipoil makes me think of like baby
oil, like I'm going to burn.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, this is from a dear friend.
Oh, look at this.
Wow, wow, okay.
Does it smell like Chardonnay?
It's smooths and plumps.
Oh no, here we go again.
Here we go again.
It's lumpy.
It's vegan, Okay, it'sdermatologist tested, but not
approved.
Not approved.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That always makes me nervous.
They tested it.
We're not telling you how thattest went, but they did test it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh, you should stop it if rash occurs Good to know
and in case of ingestion, getmedical help or contact the
Poison Control Center right away.
Also slightly concerning whenyou put it on your lips.
Don't get overzealous and pourthe whole face.
Oh, it doesn't smell likeChardonnay, it kind of smells
good.
Oh, smells like vanilla.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This smells like I was going to say muffins.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Let's see which is not a, I'm just going to put it
on my finger.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You should just use the wand, or I'll use my finger.
Then you can use the wand.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh yeah, the company is called Vacation.
Oh oh, my finger, then you canuse the one.
Oh yeah, the company is calledVacation.
Oh oh my gosh, this tastesreally good.
You're not supposed to eat it.
Well, you can taste it, huh,hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It feels good Do they like plump or.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I had trouble recording the rest of the
podcast because I listened tothe film To fillers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Hmm, I don't know what makes it Chardonnay, but
it's delightful.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It tastes like cake batter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And that's not how Chardonnay tastes.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No, even the most buttery of chardonnays.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I was going to say like a glass of butter.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Well, that is.
I think you're going to use itagain.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, it's yours, so probably not Okay, well, I was
going to use the wand.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're going to use it again, well, it's yours,
so probably not.
Well, I wasn't going to use thewand if you were going to use
it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, no, no, go for it .
I feel like if I'm using lipgloss, I want a little bit of
color in it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I do too.
This is just clear.
Does this look like I haveChardonnay on my lips?
Do I have wine?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
on my lips.
My husband would probably likethis, like I got my Sardinia lip
gloss on hope you all aretelling because your lips are so
plump.
Yes, you'll be like wow, yousmell great and your lips are
fuller than ever.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, well, that's very nice yeah, so thank you out
of all the things we've triedon our mouth.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
this is probably the best, I agree.
Doesn't taste like moldy cheeseor smell like that.
So yeah, happy fall, happy fall.
And you know that it's nowpumpkin spice latte season.
It's pumpkin everything season,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Pumpkin everything.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Did you know that that's not always what they were
going to call it?
Well, isn't it a pumpkin spicelatte?
Yes, the original name was fallharvest latte, which, thank God
, they changed it Because fallharvest latte, which thank god
they changed it because fallharvest to me sounds like a pile
of leaves right, it sounds likea cornicle or like yeah, oh, we
(05:53):
put corn squash squash, somesoybeans in a glass.
So well done, starbucks forthose.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you think they heard pumpkin spice and then
jumped on the pumpkin spice?
I've never, never, actually hadone Same, so I don't know what
a tea is we should try, weshould.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, what they said is they thought that pumpkin
spice latte at first was liketoo on the nose, but then they
were also like fall harvestlatte doesn't sound like
anything.
People are going to want toknow what they're drinking.
Leaves, leaves it made me thinkabout when you were like tea is
leaves crumbs.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
A bag of crumbs um.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But I was like oh wow , good miss on that, no kidding
yeah it's also fhl doesn't quiteroll off the tongue like psl.
I feel like they always peoplealways abbreviate abbreviate it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I know I can't wait to try it.
Well, I'll bring one.
Okay, are you going to bring it?
Bring it.
Yeah, lock in, bring it.
Speaking of fall, did you seePrincess Kate's new fall?
Look, she's got.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
she's going a little blonder, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I associate her with dark hair.
So, when I looked at her.
I had a hard time with that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think as a brunette , I get a little defensive when
people go blonde.
I'm like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, stay with us.
I don't want to hurt herfeelings because she's beautiful
.
She is beautiful and I applaudher for taking that risk.
So I don't want to be anaysayer, but I do like the
brunette.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I like the brunette too.
How do you feel about brunettepants?
Because brown pants are a bigthat the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Pooping pants.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Not a trend.
Brown pants A trend.
Yes, what color?
Brown, a warm.
I could show you a picture.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Like a chocolate brown.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, oh, oh wait, that's, oh wait, we're.
Oh, brown pants are the newclassic staple you'll be wearing
all fall, not like UPS, butbrown.
I mean you can't.
I mean, I mean, I know brown'sa neutral but I don't know if
it's my neutral.
Correct.
I yeah, I don't know, I don't,I don't mind these models look
(08:24):
great.
I'm not against it, I don'tthink.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I own one thing that's brown that's an excellent
question.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Do I I mean shoes?
I have brown shoes, brown hair,brown belt.
I don't think I do either, butI I don't mind it in these
pictures.
I think the problem is, if Iwere to buy brown pants, I would
need to buy a shirt to go withthem as one does typically.
But you know, like if I boughta pair of black pants, I'd be
like oh, I have 12 shirts, 12million things that go with
black Probably.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, but brown's a nice neutral like the navy's and
the blue's and the pink's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because I don't even think I've worn khaki pants,
though they used to wear khakisat high school, like thing Like
flare like bootcut khakis.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like, yeah, a lot of times when I look back at my
high school pictures, I looklike I'm going to a business
meeting A shirt tucked in and abelt.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But now I just so associate it with my kids, my
boys' school uniform.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah that I would never wear a pair of chinos on a
Friday night.
Oh, there's Nora in the chinosover there.
She looks great.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
In a vest.
There's no scatty pants In apolo shirt, please.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Maybe a nice pair of loafers, Maybe yeah all right.
Maybe yeah, oh man, oh man, andactually yeah, all right.
Yeah, oh man, oh man, andactually something else, that's
brown that we both love browniced tea.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh yeah, it's brown.
It's brown.
I found a new place to get itby the gallon and maybe you
already know this is it inclareton hills Hills.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, oh, where Chick-fil-A?
Is it fresh brewed iced tea?
Yes, is it $27?
It's $6.89.
Okay, that's reasonable.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Isn't that I bought, so I like their iced tea.
I've never had their iced tea.
Okay, I like their iced tea alot and yesterday I brought it's
there for a nutritious takeoutdinner and I was like what is
this?
And I was able to get a gallonof it.
I'm trying to look right now tomake sure I'm not giving false
information.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Did you see it advertised as a gallon or did
you ask do you sell this by thegallon?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, I was looking for it.
My daughter was asking about acertain kind of lemonade, and
then I saw gallon beverages.
So here we go A gallon ofunsweetened brew, dice tea $6.50
.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, take that Egg, Harbor Egg.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Harbor, get out of here.
What $28?
.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Remember when I asked him, he's like um, this doesn't
seem right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I was so grateful for you, because I was like, well,
that's what it costs.
And then we sent it back.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We don't actually want it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Thank you and I was grateful to you.
But yeah, $6.50.
$6.50, that's a steal.
I haven't tried it out of thegallon yet, but I drink it there
often.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, okay, and it's delightful, I'll have to try it.
So did you see all this buzz ongel nails being banned?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No, why.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So in Europe they put a ban on gel nail polish.
It's horrible for your nailsSeptember 1st.
Yeah, because there's somechemical called TPO which I
don't know what it stands for,so please don't ask.
I wasn't Okay.
But they say it can causefertility and reproductive
issues.
Oh geez.
But some say it's precautionaryversus preventative and some
(12:00):
people say they're banning itout of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So but I feel like if there's a possibility that it's
going to make you sick andthere are plenty of other
alternative nail polishes to use, then, yeah, don't let people
make it.
And also I feel like thatforces the companies to be like
okay, let's find a differentingredient, because this isn't
going to work.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We're not allowed to do this.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I think that's great.
Plenty of other options.
I just didn't know it was badfor you.
I didn't know.
I just know that when I onlygot it like a couple of times,
it just destroyed my fingernails.
That's what I didn't like aboutit, and I rarely paint my nails
.
And so then I was like bleh.
I was like this is why I don'tdo this.
You know what else is happeningin Europe, specifically in
(12:50):
Iceland?
Oh no, puffin throwing season,what's a puffin.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
A puffin is a bird.
Oh, oh, yikes.
So apparently d-a-d are alive,alive.
So puff.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
This was in national geographic, of course it was, so
I I trust it completely.
So what happens is these littlebaby puffins, they they're born
and their parents are with themfor so long, and then one day
mom and dad puffin go out to buysome cigarettes and never come
back.
And so then they have to leavetheir little burros alone.
(13:24):
And so the locals go outlooking for baby puffins and
they have to throw them off acliff.
Oh, what To be like?
Fly, fly away, or else theywon't they won't leave.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Wait, where are all these adult puffins hanging out?
They're at like club med.
Yeah, they're at anall-inclusive.
They're at a rager it's prettywild.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh, I couldn't I was trying to see the video yeah,
look at oh, she really used it agood thing.
And then look at they fly andthey can swim, like they'll go
into water a little bit, butthis little girl like it's like
what?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
is it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
it's like a basketball like a granny shot,
yeah, like a free throw, butthey should call this the puffin
launch puffin.
Yes, it's pretty crazy.
Oh, it just made me laugh thatand also just in iceland that
they were like, yeah, we got toget these baby puffins out of
here.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you're around on Saturday, come launch puffins
with us.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And the town name is like 20 letters long.
That's your jam.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do the parents come back and they're like where are
all the children gone?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think so.
I think that's the life cycleof a puffin, Like we got you.
But then week six, we're out.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's too bad, I know.
Too bad for the little puffins.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I know.
So Puffin patrol, puffin patrol, yeah, they've got to.
So this reporter, you know,they're trying to rescue all
these little.
Oh my gosh 3,000 puffins.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
There's a lot Pufflings.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Pufflings Isn't that cute, mm-hmm.
Puffins are cute little birds.
I'm not a huge bird fan.
Oh yeah, but as far as birds go.
But yeah, because then theykind of get stuck in weird
places.
Oh here's Ingvar Ornbergson andEduardo are searching for
pufflings.
Oh, good for them, that's sonice.
(15:19):
I just couldn't imaginethrowing a bird like that off a
cliff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I probably wouldn't watch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I wouldn't watch.
Yeah, and they must be friendlylittle birds to allow humans to
be picked up or to be picked upby a human, you know?
Yeah, huh.
So anyways, all, right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, thank you for that little tidbit In America
we're having fancy dorm rooms.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Have you seen this?
Oh, I've seen this.
What the actual heck is goingon.
Kind of fun though, isn't it?
Yeah, but how would you think?
But then what are you settingpeople up for?
I feel like our children havesuch unrealistic expectations.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, I think if you go to TJ Maxx or somewhere like
that you can do like a dupe ofit, but like wallpapering your
dorm room.
It's out of control.
It's kind of fun to look atthem, although isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But then I'm like, what are you doing?
Like I just think about I mean,my dorm was fine, it was tiny,
and what we ended up doing wesaved all our water bottles and
we covered them in tissue paperand then we hung them up on our
ceiling and we made like a likea installation, like an art
installation, because they wereall different colors, so it was
kind of pretty.
But like that's the kind ofweird stuff you did because you
(16:34):
were like oh, I'm 18.
I don't have a lot of money oraccess to, because you did an
online shop in 1998.
So we did weird, clever thingslike that.
And then I feel, like go andclash with your roommate or
figure it out when you get there, Like I just think that
(16:54):
expectation of having did youhave a dust ruffle on your dorm
room bed, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
no, but I no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean, I remember I had a cute like Laura Ashley
like comforter and I picked outtowels and I had.
We had a rug.
Yes, that was it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That was it yeah, I know I'm kind of excited to do
that though, like on the cheap,yeah though, like on the cheap,
yeah, like at tj maxx.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But then I also think like, okay, then you graduate
college and then you get a job,and then you're gonna be like,
well, now I want my apartment tobe like designer apartment yeah
, I just wonder what do you dowith that after freshman year?
yeah, yeah, that's the otherthing too, this article that I
read.
It was like the like do youthrow all that away?
I guess you bring it to yourapartment, but then, if you
have're like this clashes, howdo you take the wallpaper off of
(17:40):
a dorm room?
Is it peel and stick?
I think it's probably peel andstick.
But also, I was kind of like Ilove my parents dearly, but I
was also like I don't want mymom here for three days
decorating my dorm room.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, I don't know Like, do it yourself, figure it
out.
I know, remember, elle wants meto go to college with her.
Oh, that's right, so it mightgive me something to do.
Well, you're really great, youkeep me busy.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't mind it, but I just think to spend like
thousands of dollars I know Onalready what is thousands?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
of dollars.
Yes, yes.
A headboard and stuff, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
A headboard for also.
I'm kind of like you shouldrough it a little bit.
It shouldn't be as comfortableas home Like.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You should rough.
Yes, you're right, you should.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, yeah, miss home a little bit, but monogram your
pillows so that, when you do,you know that they're yours.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Like people bringing in different mattresses.
It's like you're 18.
You're going to survive.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Just put a mattress topper on.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, put a mattress topper Like get some sheets Like
a cute comforter A nice rug,Because after a rough night
you're not really not going toknow the difference between a
good mattress or not.
Right, you are not?
No, you're just going to.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Also, do I need my name in a neon sign?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But you do need your initials modigrammed on your
pillows.
That is cute.
Okay, what do you say?
We check them with our snots.
Let's do it, okay, hey Nora, hiNora, how are you?
I'm great.
I was just wondering do youwrite firecrackers?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Is the Pope from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I sure do Listen.
Guess what else?
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Speaker 2 (19:35):
God bless America.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
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And now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm really excited about our topic today you
dressed for the occasion, myfriend, I did, and I think my
sister's going to like our topictoday too, because it's
turtlenecks.
And to our European and Britishlisteners, polo necks.
I did see that, yes, turtleneckhas a long history.
Yeah, born out of necessity andfunction.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I dove into that looking for something I could
cling on to, because I think youand I agree on most everything.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, but there are a few things we cling on to
Because I think you and I agreeon most everything, but there
are a few things we differ on.
Yes, Turtlenecks is one of them.
Yes, I think great.
If there's an option, and it's,I think you can look cute in a
turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think difficult to put on and restrictive, oh, okay
.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, I think you could wear with your pearls.
It would be like a real power,like Audrey Hepburn move.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh, she was known for those?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah Well, in the 50s it was very much like a sex
symbol thing, those really tight, tight sweater turtlenecks.
Hide your neck, but they weretrying to accentuate their
curves.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes, so that I don't think it does me any favors,
I'll tell you that.
I'll tell you that?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, so the medieval I think we kind of like you and
I know what happened, but weshould tell our listeners.
So, medieval knights when theywere wearing all their like
chain-length armor, they neededsomething to wear underneath it
so that they wouldn't getbruises and cuts Almost
protective, if you will, toprotect from the metal that they
were wearing on top of theirbodies, because one thing I read
(21:17):
said it was hard for them toturn their heads without cutting
their neck.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, I didn't see that that's funny.
I mean not funny.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hiding, and it's in the 1500s.
I feel like enough time haspassed.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We can laugh at it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Hiding in my turtleneck.
And then in the 1800s it wasfor practicality for sailors,
for fishermen, factory workersand polo players wore them and
that's where polo came from.
But then in America, like early1900s or in like the 60s too,
it was like counterculture.
(21:50):
It was like, oh, I'm not goingto wear a tie, I'm going to wear
a turtleneck, beat neck kind ofa bohemian.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Okay, and-hmm.
And then when women kind ofused it as a power move too,
because I think because it's socrisp, like it can be a very not
this, I got a sloppy, floppyturtle neck, is that a?
(22:10):
cowl neck Cowl kind of a cowlneck, but those like tighter
turtlenecks like Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
But they say if you have ashort neck, if you have broad
shoulders, if you have a fullbust, if you have a petite frame
.
If you have sensitivity tocollars, you could wear them.
So, as I'm reading this, I'mlike, well, who should then?
Oh, my sister, your sister,she's built for a turtleneck.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
My sister loves a turtleneck and I really don't
mind it either, especially inthe winter.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It is nice.
You do like a turtleneck.
Why in the 80s and 90s did theyhave to just kill the
turtleneck with all the patternsfor respective holidays.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I remember having from Talbot's kids a
long-sleeved striped turtleneckdress.
That was a huge win, so, and Ihad it in a couple colors.
There was a green and bluestripe, I think there was a red
and navy blue stripe, but, yeah,a lot of turtlenecks and
blazers.
Yeah, I mean Julia.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Roberts, turtleneck and blazer.
I mean, I know it's come a longway since the 80s, but I still
can't embrace it.
I will wear a turtleneck, moreof like a mock turtleneck, if
I'm running.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
and it's man they were I don't want to say hot,
turtlenecked out.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They were pretty feminine and very perky.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
They were very curvy, Curvy, Accentuating that, and
then you know 60s, 70s.
It was very much like a powermove and kind of like a symbol
of strength.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, Do your kids wear turtlenecks oh wow, I think
Rose has one.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
She does have one, she wears it.
She has like a littlecheerleading outfit.
Okay, and she'll wear it underthe cheerleading outfit.
Princess Diana, huge fan.
I know A turtleneck, but lookat how hot Whitney Houston looks
in that turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It would be.
And Janet Jackson, it would bejust as cute if it was like a
scoop necks or a crew neck?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
See, I don't think so .
No, rihanna, there she is.
Justin Timberlake, everybody'sdabbled.
Andy Warhol, David Bowie, okay,okay, what about your husband?
Oh God, no, no, no, al, no, no,I think he wore one as like
(24:38):
part of a dress-up party.
Ryan does like a vest.
Oh, I feel like that's theanti-turtle neck, though.
Yeah, it is kind of anti-turtle, though I did have in college.
I loved this sweater so much.
It was a gray sleevelessturtleneck sweater and I wore it
with my leather pants.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I like when you talk about your velour long sleeve
green shirt.
Loved that shirt.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I don't have many tops that are turtlenecks
anymore, but I have a lot ofsweaters.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Sweaters, and you know they're on trend right now.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Really.
Yeah, they're making a comeback.
I think that's great, I thinkin the winter because you know
why else I started embracingthem last year is because I have
a long puffy coat.
That's a vest, oh right, sothat was kind of my go-to winter
thing.
I'm like oh, I got myturtleneck sweater on with my
puffy vest coat.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, they're saying go for it.
They're saying fittedturtleneck sweaters, okay,
monochromatic pair with cuffedjeans and tall boots.
So don't have like basketballson or like teddy bears, teddy
bears, teddy bears holdingAmerican flags, or cats in
Christmas trees, I think, oh, isthat like chasing a little ball
of yarn?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think, in the picture I have of you when you
call me, you're wearing aturtleneck.
Oh, probably.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm probably wearing a terribly itchy wool sweater.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, it wasn't itchy because you had a turtleneck on
Turtleneck under it.
Yeah, let's see, I'm trying tosee, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You do have a big sweater on.
It wasn't gold, you were notCan you tell the print of it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It looks like hearts, maybe I mean you were there.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know my chin's so big you can't see it.
I should say you're how old?
In that picture, like five whenI was the boy, when I was the
boy child, little five-year-oldNora has a pixie cut.
That's because I cut my ownhair, told my mom.
I got glue stuck in it and shetook me downtown to some swanky
salon and did this before myphoto shoot, in which the
(26:43):
photographer called me Norm Ilook like a Norm.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
No, you look like Michael J Fox.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Don't you, who isn't?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
his fan.
You're like give me the, giveme the michael b keaton or what
was this?
I look at this picture like allthe time could see what you.
Why have I never put thistogether?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
do you think my mom asked for the Alex Alex she's
like that'll be $10 extra andgive me the address to the fan
club.
Even my smile is like.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I know it's bad, just take the picture Well, the
turtleneck and then the Irishsweater that's also kind of got
a high neck on.
It is tough.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, it's better than the one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think I'm in suspenders in the Robin.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Williams, when you're done laughing at my haircut,
I'd like to, politely and kindly, remind you that you also had a
very similar haircut.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, it's terrible.
That's why I feel like I canmake jokes about it, because I
was right there with you and Ithink you donned a jersey of
sorts, maybe a soccer jersey,mm-hmm, is that the picture I'm
seeing?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, because I was on a team.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So we were both Norahs with boy haircuts, until
in second grade, a little girlwas like why is there a boy in
the girl's bathroom?
And I was like, no, not today.
We're done for growing this out.
And then I had a mullet for mywhole third grade.
Oh, I can imagine a mullet witha turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I actually think I'm in my school picture with a
turtleneck, a sweater and mymullet and a headband.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, they knew you were a girl then Killing it.
But I think maybe because we'refrom the 80s and we were
children in the 80s and dressedin 12,000 layers, you're burned
by turtlenecks.
Give it a chance Next timeyou're shopping, try one on.
I won't be able to get out ofit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know what?
I think we used to wearmultiples when we were kids,
where you'd buy, like theleggings, the top and then the
band to go around.
I wonder if those were thosetops, turtlenecks.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Some of them probably were.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Or maybe they were so loose.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I always wanted multiples.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Was it comfortable, I think so I wanted.
Except for the rest of thestrings and around your
midsection and the turtleneckpart.
It was so creepy, heimlich andstrangled.
They were great.
Put the stirrups on those.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I don't know if they had stirrups.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, gosh, we should just go down in 80s slash 90s
fashion walk for one of thesepodcasts.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Let's just pull some of our best looks and just do a
whole post on it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Maybe set our moms down.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Why.
My mom had a picture of thethree of us in these like Irish
outfits.
My brother got off the easiest.
It was just a green shirt, agreen sweater that said Carrie
on it.
I think he has a turtleneckunderneath it.
My sister and I had pinafores,oh yeah, and I think Erin might
have been 12.
(29:59):
She's way too old for her, andthen we were matching, so I was
probably so I must have beeneight, and we had green
turtlenecks on under thepinafore.
Please bring those.
Oh, I have it.
It's in a little trio frame inmy laundry room.
Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, where do we go from here.
Could you imagine, though, likewe, i's great, yeah, you know
when do we go from here.
Could?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
you imagine, though, like we, I never argued.
I was like okie dokie, is thatwhat I'm wearing?
Thanks Mom.
My kids would be like ooh, it'sitchy.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
We always coordinated , I feel like I yeah, I didn't
really complain a lot, we werebig.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Gap Kids, kids.
We had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I like complain a lot .
We were big Gap Kids kids.
We had a lot of coordinatingGap Kids sets.
My mom was into Kelly's Kidsfor a while.
I don't know that, I don't knowit was like.
I don't know, I bet you lookeddarling, though Always
coordinated, Always coordinated.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yes, Well, because you couldn't.
Once you moved to Scottsdale,you couldn't be wearing
turtlenecks and Irish sweaters.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, but my first day of fourth grade I wore culottes
with a giant fruit pattern andthe shirt had plastic fruits
hanging off it.
And then I had, it gets worse.
Oh no, they had Velcro-fringedshoulder pads.
Now, if that's not a welcome.
You're like hello, Scottsdale,you can hear me coming down the
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hall.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Oh, that's so cute.
I had like a fluorescent outfitI wore on one of my first dates
of school.
It was like white culottes withlike a short sleeve button down
with a vest over it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
She didn't have plastic fruit hanging, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I had no like stuff hanging, but oh man, yeah, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So that's why a turtleneck Don't knock it All
right, give it a shot.
I will, I'll give it a shotthis fall season.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Maybe you need a cowl .
Neck something loose.
Maybe I'll ease into things.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, oh, you know what Ryan bought on that
sweatshirt from their golf trip.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It is cozy, yeah, and this one has thumb holes in it,
which it makes it Extra cozy,snuggly, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Want to launch into highs and lows, Go ahead.
I can't think of a low.
I didn't really have a loweither.
I don't have one.
You know what my low is?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm letting little things bother me.
Oh shoot and I've got to get it.
It's like a bad mindset whereI'm like, ah, my car is dirty,
or like somebody like put anempty cereal box back in the
pantry and I'm like sweating thelittle things.
Normally I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't know if I'm just like irritated, kind of
like that lady who was like it'stoo hot.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yes, yeah, so I got to.
That's me.
I got to reset my mindset andjust not be worried about little
annoyances.
That's on me, yeah, and I don'thang a lot.
Okay, well, that's good.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's better than good , it's great.
It is better than good, it'sgreat.
My high is that I found anawesome roofer to fix a roof at
a reasonable price and he isreliable.
So it is the roof Awesome, andyes, and it.
So it is the roof Awesome, andyes, and it was an easy peasy
fix.
Correct, he hasn't done it yet,but it will be when he does it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh, I'm happy for you .
I feel like this is a problemthat you've been kept thinking
was solved.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, so it's been weighing on me, so I'm glad to
have that behind me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Besides the shardy party, my sister's birthday was
Labor Day, oh fun.
And we got together at aChinese restaurant in LaGrange
and it was delightful.
Did you have so much fun?
We had a blast.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Everybody, or just you guys, a whole fam, all 15 of
us.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
And this restaurant had private rooms and they
connected, so we had a kid'stable, an adult's table and they
had little like doors that youcould close, so you weren't
bothering the whole restaurant.
It was nice.
It was really, really nice, andshe liked the gift I got.
What did you get her?
I got her a sweater fromlululemon was it a little it was
not, it was like a tennis, likea cardigan.
It looked it's cute, it kind oflooks like a tennis.
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Oh cute.
You know, for all you peoplewho wear sweaters, when you
click to this it is a text.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh good, I get a lot of laughs on this.
Oh, me too.
This was fun.
Hopefully you had fun listening.
Yeah Well, thanks for joiningus and don't forget to tune in
next week.
Bye, Bye.
Hi, thanks for joining us today.
It's Nora and Nora, thanks forjoining us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, welcome back to all our regulars.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We are sure glad you're here.
Where were they?
I don't know?
Well, I don't know, but justthat they come back all the time
.
Oh yeah, they were probably offenjoying a fabulous Labor Day,
indeed, I hope they had afabulous Labor.
Were probably off enjoying afabulous Labor Day, indeed, I
hope they had a fabulous LaborDay.
I had a fabulous Labor Day.
I had a very busy Labor Dayweekend.
You sure did.
Yeah, closed it out with theannual Shardy Party, which is
(00:34):
always a delight.
It was a rager this year.
Yeah, it was.
It was so fun.
I got a little ahead of myself.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
See, the nice thing about not liking Chardonnay is
at the Chardy party.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm usually on the straight and narrow yes, yes and
I.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We just get to celebrate Chardonnay once a year
, so I like to make the most ofit and thank you to our friend
who hooked us up with a giganticbottle, the biggest bottle of
Chardonnay I've ever seen, thebiggest bottle of Rombauer I've
ever seen.
She was a beaut.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
She was so beautiful she stole the show.
Yeah, she did.
She was our guest of honor.
A huge shout out to our pal whomade that happen.
Yes, and your wall was a hugehit the Chardonnay wall.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, that was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
A huge shout out to friends who helped make that
happen too.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Takes up the witch.
But that was so fun and whatmade me laugh about that night
was that it was winding down andin my brain at the moment I was
like, all right, we'll helpNora clean up, we'll get things
this and that.
And then we had a second wave.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We had a second wave.
That I certainly wasn'texpecting, but gosh, it made for
good material.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And then fast forward .
I got home at 2.30.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, but that second wave didn't go home.
No, they got home probably atlike four.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They took their party to a hot tub.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yowza, definitely not where I anticipated anyone's
evening.
No, so it made for a slow gofor me monday.
Oh, okay, because I have thatdog.
You do have that dog, and ascute as a button.
Yeah, that dog doesn'tunderstand going to bed at 2 25
at night.
She also stole the show atshardy.
I woke up with her and thenryan woke up with her and then
(02:23):
can you hear her like an infant.
Well, yeah, because she's rightnext to our bed and then when
Ryan came down the stairs thesecond time I was like I'm going
back to bed Because I justcouldn't function.
But she's very good.
She is pretty much pottytrained and she sleeps through
the night and you know shesounds like an infant she does.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh my goodness, so now fall is here.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Fall is here, but, speaking of Chardonnay, I have
something for us to try.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh, is it a little mini bottle?
It's a yellow box and it saysChardonnay.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So is it a little.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's a broad spectrum SPF 30 sunscreen lip oil from
Vacation labeled Chardonnay Lipoil makes me think of like baby
oil, like I'm going to burn.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, this is from a dear friend.
Oh, look at this.
Wow, wow, okay.
Does it smell like Chardonnay?
It's smooths and plumps.
Oh no, here we go again.
Here we go again.
It's lumpy.
It's vegan, Okay, it'sdermatologist tested, but not
approved.
Not approved.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That always makes me nervous.
They tested it.
We're not telling you how thattest went, but they did test it.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh, you should stop it if rash occurs Good to know
and in case of ingestion, getmedical help or contact the
Poison Control Center right away.
Also slightly concerning whenyou put it on your lips.
Don't get overzealous and pourthe whole face.
Oh, it doesn't smell likeChardonnay, it kind of smells
good.
Oh, smells like vanilla.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This smells like I was going to say muffins.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Let's see which is not a, I'm just going to put it
on my finger.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You should just use the wand, or I'll use my finger.
Then you can use the wand.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh yeah, the company is called Vacation.
Oh oh, my finger, then you canuse the one.
Oh yeah, the company is calledVacation.
Oh oh my gosh, this tastesreally good.
You're not supposed to eat it.
Well, you can taste it, huh,hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It feels good Do they like plump or.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I had trouble recording the rest of the
podcast because I listened tothe film To fillers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Hmm, I don't know what makes it Chardonnay, but
it's delightful.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It tastes like cake batter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And that's not how Chardonnay tastes.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No, even the most buttery of chardonnays.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I was going to say like a glass of butter.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Well, that is.
I think you're going to use itagain.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, it's yours, so probably not Okay, well, I was
going to use the wand.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're going to use it again, well, it's yours,
so probably not.
Well, I wasn't going to use thewand if you were going to use
it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, no, no, go for it .
I feel like if I'm using lipgloss, I want a little bit of
color in it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I do too.
This is just clear.
Does this look like I haveChardonnay on my lips?
Do I have wine?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
on my lips.
My husband would probably likethis, like I got my Sardinia lip
gloss on hope you all aretelling because your lips are so
plump.
Yes, you'll be like wow, yousmell great and your lips are
fuller than ever.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, well, that's very nice yeah, so thank you out
of all the things we've triedon our mouth.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
this is probably the best, I agree.
Doesn't taste like moldy cheeseor smell like that.
So yeah, happy fall, happy fall.
And you know that it's nowpumpkin spice latte season.
It's pumpkin everything season,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Pumpkin everything.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Did you know that that's not always what they were
going to call it?
Well, isn't it a pumpkin spicelatte?
Yes, the original name was fallharvest latte, which, thank God
, they changed it Because fallharvest latte, which thank god
they changed it because fallharvest to me sounds like a pile
of leaves right, it sounds likea cornicle or like yeah, oh, we
(05:53):
put corn squash squash, somesoybeans in a glass.
So well done, starbucks forthose.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do you think they heard pumpkin spice and then
jumped on the pumpkin spice?
I've never, never, actually hadone Same, so I don't know what
a tea is we should try, weshould.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, what they said is they thought that pumpkin
spice latte at first was liketoo on the nose, but then they
were also like fall harvestlatte doesn't sound like
anything.
People are going to want toknow what they're drinking.
Leaves, leaves it made me thinkabout when you were like tea is
leaves crumbs.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
A bag of crumbs um.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But I was like oh wow , good miss on that, no kidding
yeah it's also fhl doesn't quiteroll off the tongue like psl.
I feel like they always peoplealways abbreviate abbreviate it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I know I can't wait to try it.
Well, I'll bring one.
Okay, are you going to bring it?
Bring it.
Yeah, lock in, bring it.
Speaking of fall, did you seePrincess Kate's new fall?
Look, she's got.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
she's going a little blonder, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I associate her with dark hair.
So, when I looked at her.
I had a hard time with that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think as a brunette , I get a little defensive when
people go blonde.
I'm like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, stay with us.
I don't want to hurt herfeelings because she's beautiful
.
She is beautiful and I applaudher for taking that risk.
So I don't want to be anaysayer, but I do like the
brunette.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I like the brunette too.
How do you feel about brunettepants?
Because brown pants are a bigthat the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Pooping pants.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Not a trend.
Brown pants A trend.
Yes, what color?
Brown, a warm.
I could show you a picture.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Like a chocolate brown.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, oh, oh wait, that's, oh wait, we're.
Oh, brown pants are the newclassic staple you'll be wearing
all fall, not like UPS, butbrown.
I mean you can't.
I mean, I mean, I know brown'sa neutral but I don't know if
it's my neutral.
Correct.
I yeah, I don't know, I don't,I don't mind these models look
(08:24):
great.
I'm not against it, I don'tthink.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I own one thing that's brown that's an excellent
question.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Do I I mean shoes?
I have brown shoes, brown hair,brown belt.
I don't think I do either, butI I don't mind it in these
pictures.
I think the problem is, if Iwere to buy brown pants, I would
need to buy a shirt to go withthem as one does typically.
But you know, like if I boughta pair of black pants, I'd be
like oh, I have 12 shirts, 12million things that go with
black Probably.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, but brown's a nice neutral like the navy's and
the blue's and the pink's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because I don't even think I've worn khaki pants,
though they used to wear khakisat high school, like thing Like
flare like bootcut khakis.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like, yeah, a lot of times when I look back at my
high school pictures, I looklike I'm going to a business
meeting A shirt tucked in and abelt.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But now I just so associate it with my kids, my
boys' school uniform.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah that I would never wear a pair of chinos on a
Friday night.
Oh, there's Nora in the chinosover there.
She looks great.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
In a vest.
There's no scatty pants In apolo shirt, please.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Maybe a nice pair of loafers, Maybe yeah all right.
Maybe yeah, oh man, oh man, andactually yeah, all right.
Yeah, oh man, oh man, andactually something else, that's
brown that we both love browniced tea.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh yeah, it's brown.
It's brown.
I found a new place to get itby the gallon and maybe you
already know this is it inclareton hills Hills.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, oh, where Chick-fil-A?
Is it fresh brewed iced tea?
Yes, is it $27?
It's $6.89.
Okay, that's reasonable.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Isn't that I bought, so I like their iced tea.
I've never had their iced tea.
Okay, I like their iced tea alot and yesterday I brought it's
there for a nutritious takeoutdinner and I was like what is
this?
And I was able to get a gallonof it.
I'm trying to look right now tomake sure I'm not giving false
information.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Did you see it advertised as a gallon or did
you ask do you sell this by thegallon?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, I was looking for it.
My daughter was asking about acertain kind of lemonade, and
then I saw gallon beverages.
So here we go A gallon ofunsweetened brew, dice tea $6.50
.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, take that Egg, Harbor Egg.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Harbor, get out of here.
What $28?
.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Remember when I asked him, he's like um, this doesn't
seem right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I was so grateful for you, because I was like, well,
that's what it costs.
And then we sent it back.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We don't actually want it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Thank you and I was grateful to you.
But yeah, $6.50.
$6.50, that's a steal.
I haven't tried it out of thegallon yet, but I drink it there
often.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, okay, and it's delightful, I'll have to try it.
So did you see all this buzz ongel nails being banned?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No, why.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So in Europe they put a ban on gel nail polish.
It's horrible for your nailsSeptember 1st.
Yeah, because there's somechemical called TPO which I
don't know what it stands for,so please don't ask.
I wasn't Okay.
But they say it can causefertility and reproductive
issues.
Oh geez.
But some say it's precautionaryversus preventative and some
(12:00):
people say they're banning itout of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So but I feel like if there's a possibility that it's
going to make you sick andthere are plenty of other
alternative nail polishes to use, then, yeah, don't let people
make it.
And also I feel like thatforces the companies to be like
okay, let's find a differentingredient, because this isn't
going to work.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We're not allowed to do this.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I think that's great.
Plenty of other options.
I just didn't know it was badfor you.
I didn't know.
I just know that when I onlygot it like a couple of times,
it just destroyed my fingernails.
That's what I didn't like aboutit, and I rarely paint my nails
.
And so then I was like bleh.
I was like this is why I don'tdo this.
You know what else is happeningin Europe, specifically in
(12:50):
Iceland?
Oh no, puffin throwing season,what's a puffin.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
A puffin is a bird.
Oh, oh, yikes.
So apparently d-a-d are alive,alive.
So puff.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
This was in national geographic, of course it was, so
I I trust it completely.
So what happens is these littlebaby puffins, they they're born
and their parents are with themfor so long, and then one day
mom and dad puffin go out to buysome cigarettes and never come
back.
And so then they have to leavetheir little burros alone.
(13:24):
And so the locals go outlooking for baby puffins and
they have to throw them off acliff.
Oh, what To be like?
Fly, fly away, or else theywon't they won't leave.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Wait, where are all these adult puffins hanging out?
They're at like club med.
Yeah, they're at anall-inclusive.
They're at a rager it's prettywild.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh, I couldn't I was trying to see the video yeah,
look at oh, she really used it agood thing.
And then look at they fly andthey can swim, like they'll go
into water a little bit, butthis little girl like it's like
what?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
is it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
it's like a basketball like a granny shot,
yeah, like a free throw, butthey should call this the puffin
launch puffin.
Yes, it's pretty crazy.
Oh, it just made me laugh thatand also just in iceland that
they were like, yeah, we got toget these baby puffins out of
here.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you're around on Saturday, come launch puffins
with us.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And the town name is like 20 letters long.
That's your jam.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do the parents come back and they're like where are
all the children gone?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think so.
I think that's the life cycleof a puffin, Like we got you.
But then week six, we're out.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's too bad, I know.
Too bad for the little puffins.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I know.
So Puffin patrol, puffin patrol, yeah, they've got to.
So this reporter, you know,they're trying to rescue all
these little.
Oh my gosh 3,000 puffins.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
There's a lot Pufflings.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Pufflings Isn't that cute, mm-hmm.
Puffins are cute little birds.
I'm not a huge bird fan.
Oh yeah, but as far as birds go.
But yeah, because then theykind of get stuck in weird
places.
Oh here's Ingvar Ornbergson andEduardo are searching for
pufflings.
Oh, good for them, that's sonice.
(15:19):
I just couldn't imaginethrowing a bird like that off a
cliff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I probably wouldn't watch.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I wouldn't watch.
Yeah, and they must be friendlylittle birds to allow humans to
be picked up or to be picked upby a human, you know?
Yeah, huh.
So anyways, all, right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, thank you for that little tidbit In America
we're having fancy dorm rooms.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Have you seen this?
Oh, I've seen this.
What the actual heck is goingon.
Kind of fun though, isn't it?
Yeah, but how would you think?
But then what are you settingpeople up for?
I feel like our children havesuch unrealistic expectations.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, I think if you go to TJ Maxx or somewhere like
that you can do like a dupe ofit, but like wallpapering your
dorm room.
It's out of control.
It's kind of fun to look atthem, although isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But then I'm like, what are you doing?
Like I just think about I mean,my dorm was fine, it was tiny,
and what we ended up doing wesaved all our water bottles and
we covered them in tissue paperand then we hung them up on our
ceiling and we made like a likea installation, like an art
installation, because they wereall different colors, so it was
kind of pretty.
But like that's the kind ofweird stuff you did because you
(16:34):
were like oh, I'm 18.
I don't have a lot of money oraccess to, because you did an
online shop in 1998.
So we did weird, clever thingslike that.
And then I feel, like go andclash with your roommate or
figure it out when you get there, Like I just think that
(16:54):
expectation of having did youhave a dust ruffle on your dorm
room bed, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
no, but I no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean, I remember I had a cute like Laura Ashley
like comforter and I picked outtowels and I had.
We had a rug.
Yes, that was it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
That was it yeah, I know I'm kind of excited to do
that though, like on the cheap,yeah though, like on the cheap,
yeah, like at tj maxx.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But then I also think like, okay, then you graduate
college and then you get a job,and then you're gonna be like,
well, now I want my apartment tobe like designer apartment yeah
, I just wonder what do you dowith that after freshman year?
yeah, yeah, that's the otherthing too, this article that I
read.
It was like the like do youthrow all that away?
I guess you bring it to yourapartment, but then, if you
have're like this clashes, howdo you take the wallpaper off of
(17:40):
a dorm room?
Is it peel and stick?
I think it's probably peel andstick.
But also, I was kind of like Ilove my parents dearly, but I
was also like I don't want mymom here for three days
decorating my dorm room.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, I don't know Like, do it yourself, figure it
out.
I know, remember, elle wants meto go to college with her.
Oh, that's right, so it mightgive me something to do.
Well, you're really great, youkeep me busy.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't mind it, but I just think to spend like
thousands of dollars I know Onalready what is thousands?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
of dollars.
Yes, yes.
A headboard and stuff, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
A headboard for also.
I'm kind of like you shouldrough it a little bit.
It shouldn't be as comfortableas home Like.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You should rough.
Yes, you're right, you should.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, yeah, miss home a little bit, but monogram your
pillows so that, when you do,you know that they're yours.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Like people bringing in different mattresses.
It's like you're 18.
You're going to survive.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Just put a mattress topper on.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, put a mattress topper Like get some sheets Like
a cute comforter A nice rug,Because after a rough night
you're not really not going toknow the difference between a
good mattress or not.
Right, you are not?
No, you're just going to.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Also, do I need my name in a neon sign?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But you do need your initials modigrammed on your
pillows.
That is cute.
Okay, what do you say?
We check them with our snots.
Let's do it, okay, hey Nora, hiNora, how are you?
I'm great.
I was just wondering do youwrite firecrackers?
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Is the Pope from Chicago.
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And now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm really excited about our topic today you
dressed for the occasion, myfriend, I did, and I think my
sister's going to like our topictoday too, because it's
turtlenecks.
And to our European and Britishlisteners, polo necks.
I did see that, yes, turtleneckhas a long history.
Yeah, born out of necessity andfunction.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I dove into that looking for something I could
cling on to, because I think youand I agree on most everything.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, but there are a few things we cling on to
Because I think you and I agreeon most everything, but there
are a few things we differ on.
Yes, Turtlenecks is one of them.
Yes, I think great.
If there's an option, and it's,I think you can look cute in a
turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think difficult to put on and restrictive, oh, okay
.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, I think you could wear with your pearls.
It would be like a real power,like Audrey Hepburn move.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh, she was known for those?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah Well, in the 50s it was very much like a sex
symbol thing, those really tight, tight sweater turtlenecks.
Hide your neck, but they weretrying to accentuate their
curves.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes, so that I don't think it does me any favors,
I'll tell you that.
I'll tell you that?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, so the medieval I think we kind of like you and
I know what happened, but weshould tell our listeners.
So, medieval knights when theywere wearing all their like
chain-length armor, they neededsomething to wear underneath it
so that they wouldn't getbruises and cuts Almost
protective, if you will, toprotect from the metal that they
were wearing on top of theirbodies, because one thing I read
(21:17):
said it was hard for them toturn their heads without cutting
their neck.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, I didn't see that that's funny.
I mean not funny.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hiding, and it's in the 1500s.
I feel like enough time haspassed.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We can laugh at it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Hiding in my turtleneck.
And then in the 1800s it wasfor practicality for sailors,
for fishermen, factory workersand polo players wore them and
that's where polo came from.
But then in America, like early1900s or in like the 60s too,
it was like counterculture.
(21:50):
It was like, oh, I'm not goingto wear a tie, I'm going to wear
a turtleneck, beat neck kind ofa bohemian.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Okay, and-hmm.
And then when women kind ofused it as a power move too,
because I think because it's socrisp, like it can be a very not
this, I got a sloppy, floppyturtle neck, is that a?
(22:10):
cowl neck Cowl kind of a cowlneck, but those like tighter
turtlenecks like Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
But they say if you have ashort neck, if you have broad
shoulders, if you have a fullbust, if you have a petite frame
.
If you have sensitivity tocollars, you could wear them.
So, as I'm reading this, I'mlike, well, who should then?
Oh, my sister, your sister,she's built for a turtleneck.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
My sister loves a turtleneck and I really don't
mind it either, especially inthe winter.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It is nice.
You do like a turtleneck.
Why in the 80s and 90s did theyhave to just kill the
turtleneck with all the patternsfor respective holidays.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I remember having from Talbot's kids a
long-sleeved striped turtleneckdress.
That was a huge win, so, and Ihad it in a couple colors.
There was a green and bluestripe, I think there was a red
and navy blue stripe, but, yeah,a lot of turtlenecks and
blazers.
Yeah, I mean Julia.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Roberts, turtleneck and blazer.
I mean, I know it's come a longway since the 80s, but I still
can't embrace it.
I will wear a turtleneck, moreof like a mock turtleneck, if
I'm running.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
and it's man they were I don't want to say hot,
turtlenecked out.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They were pretty feminine and very perky.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
They were very curvy, Curvy, Accentuating that, and
then you know 60s, 70s.
It was very much like a powermove and kind of like a symbol
of strength.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, Do your kids wear turtlenecks oh wow, I think
Rose has one.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
She does have one, she wears it.
She has like a littlecheerleading outfit.
Okay, and she'll wear it underthe cheerleading outfit.
Princess Diana, huge fan.
I know A turtleneck, but lookat how hot Whitney Houston looks
in that turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It would be.
And Janet Jackson, it would bejust as cute if it was like a
scoop necks or a crew neck?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
See, I don't think so .
No, rihanna, there she is.
Justin Timberlake, everybody'sdabbled.
Andy Warhol, David Bowie, okay,okay, what about your husband?
Oh God, no, no, no, al, no, no,I think he wore one as like
(24:38):
part of a dress-up party.
Ryan does like a vest.
Oh, I feel like that's theanti-turtle neck, though.
Yeah, it is kind of anti-turtle, though I did have in college.
I loved this sweater so much.
It was a gray sleevelessturtleneck sweater and I wore it
with my leather pants.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I like when you talk about your velour long sleeve
green shirt.
Loved that shirt.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I don't have many tops that are turtlenecks
anymore, but I have a lot ofsweaters.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Sweaters, and you know they're on trend right now.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Really.
Yeah, they're making a comeback.
I think that's great, I thinkin the winter because you know
why else I started embracingthem last year is because I have
a long puffy coat.
That's a vest, oh right, sothat was kind of my go-to winter
thing.
I'm like oh, I got myturtleneck sweater on with my
puffy vest coat.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, they're saying go for it.
They're saying fittedturtleneck sweaters, okay,
monochromatic pair with cuffedjeans and tall boots.
So don't have like basketballson or like teddy bears, teddy
bears, teddy bears holdingAmerican flags, or cats in
Christmas trees, I think, oh, isthat like chasing a little ball
of yarn?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think, in the picture I have of you when you
call me, you're wearing aturtleneck.
Oh, probably.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I'm probably wearing a terribly itchy wool sweater.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, it wasn't itchy because you had a turtleneck on
Turtleneck under it.
Yeah, let's see, I'm trying tosee, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You do have a big sweater on.
It wasn't gold, you were notCan you tell the print of it.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It looks like hearts, maybe I mean you were there.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know my chin's so big you can't see it.
I should say you're how old?
In that picture, like five whenI was the boy, when I was the
boy child, little five-year-oldNora has a pixie cut.
That's because I cut my ownhair, told my mom.
I got glue stuck in it and shetook me downtown to some swanky
salon and did this before myphoto shoot, in which the
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photographer called me Norm Ilook like a Norm.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
No, you look like Michael J Fox.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Don't you, who isn't?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
his fan.
You're like give me the, giveme the michael b keaton or what
was this?
I look at this picture like allthe time could see what you.
Why have I never put thistogether?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
do you think my mom asked for the Alex Alex she's
like that'll be $10 extra andgive me the address to the fan
club.
Even my smile is like.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I know it's bad, just take the picture Well, the
turtleneck and then the Irishsweater that's also kind of got
a high neck on.
It is tough.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, it's better than the one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think I'm in suspenders in the Robin.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Williams, when you're done laughing at my haircut,
I'd like to, politely and kindly, remind you that you also had a
very similar haircut.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, it's terrible.
That's why I feel like I canmake jokes about it, because I
was right there with you and Ithink you donned a jersey of
sorts, maybe a soccer jersey,mm-hmm, is that the picture I'm
seeing?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, because I was on a team.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So we were both Norahs with boy haircuts, until
in second grade, a little girlwas like why is there a boy in
the girl's bathroom?
And I was like, no, not today.
We're done for growing this out.
And then I had a mullet for mywhole third grade.
Oh, I can imagine a mullet witha turtleneck.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I actually think I'm in my school picture with a
turtleneck, a sweater and mymullet and a headband.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, they knew you were a girl then Killing it.
But I think maybe because we'refrom the 80s and we were
children in the 80s and dressedin 12,000 layers, you're burned
by turtlenecks.
Give it a chance Next timeyou're shopping, try one on.
I won't be able to get out ofit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know what?
I think we used to wearmultiples when we were kids,
where you'd buy, like theleggings, the top and then the
band to go around.
I wonder if those were thosetops, turtlenecks.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Some of them probably were.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Or maybe they were so loose.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I always wanted multiples.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Was it comfortable, I think so I wanted.
Except for the rest of thestrings and around your
midsection and the turtleneckpart.
It was so creepy, heimlich andstrangled.
They were great.
Put the stirrups on those.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I don't know if they had stirrups.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, gosh, we should just go down in 80s slash 90s
fashion walk for one of thesepodcasts.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Let's just pull some of our best looks and just do a
whole post on it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Maybe set our moms down.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Why.
My mom had a picture of thethree of us in these like Irish
outfits.
My brother got off the easiest.
It was just a green shirt, agreen sweater that said Carrie
on it.
I think he has a turtleneckunderneath it.
My sister and I had pinafores,oh yeah, and I think Erin might
have been 12.
(29:59):
She's way too old for her, andthen we were matching, so I was
probably so I must have beeneight, and we had green
turtlenecks on under thepinafore.
Please bring those.
Oh, I have it.
It's in a little trio frame inmy laundry room.
Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, where do we go from here.
Could you imagine, though, likewe, i's great, yeah, you know
when do we go from here.
Could?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
you imagine, though, like we, I never argued.
I was like okie dokie, is thatwhat I'm wearing?
Thanks Mom.
My kids would be like ooh, it'sitchy.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
We always coordinated , I feel like I yeah, I didn't
really complain a lot, we werebig.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Gap Kids, kids.
We had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I like complain a lot .
We were big Gap Kids kids.
We had a lot of coordinatingGap Kids sets.
My mom was into Kelly's Kidsfor a while.
I don't know that, I don't knowit was like.
I don't know, I bet you lookeddarling, though Always
coordinated, Always coordinated.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yes, Well, because you couldn't.
Once you moved to Scottsdale,you couldn't be wearing
turtlenecks and Irish sweaters.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, but my first day of fourth grade I wore culottes
with a giant fruit pattern andthe shirt had plastic fruits
hanging off it.
And then I had, it gets worse.
Oh no, they had Velcro-fringedshoulder pads.
Now, if that's not a welcome.
You're like hello, Scottsdale,you can hear me coming down the
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hall.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Oh, that's so cute.
I had like a fluorescent outfitI wore on one of my first dates
of school.
It was like white culottes withlike a short sleeve button down
with a vest over it.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
She didn't have plastic fruit hanging, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I had no like stuff hanging, but oh man, yeah, you
know.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So that's why a turtleneck Don't knock it All
right, give it a shot.
I will, I'll give it a shotthis fall season.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Maybe you need a cowl .
Neck something loose.
Maybe I'll ease into things.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, oh, you know what Ryan bought on that
sweatshirt from their golf trip.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It is cozy, yeah, and this one has thumb holes in it,
which it makes it Extra cozy,snuggly, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Want to launch into highs and lows, Go ahead.
I can't think of a low.
I didn't really have a loweither.
I don't have one.
You know what my low is?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm letting little things bother me.
Oh shoot and I've got to get it.
It's like a bad mindset whereI'm like, ah, my car is dirty,
or like somebody like put anempty cereal box back in the
pantry and I'm like sweating thelittle things.
Normally I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't know if I'm just like irritated, kind of
like that lady who was like it'stoo hot.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yes, yeah, so I got to.
That's me.
I got to reset my mindset andjust not be worried about little
annoyances.
That's on me, yeah, and I don'thang a lot.
Okay, well, that's good.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's better than good , it's great.
It is better than good, it'sgreat.
My high is that I found anawesome roofer to fix a roof at
a reasonable price and he isreliable.
So it is the roof Awesome, andyes, and it.
So it is the roof Awesome, andyes, and it was an easy peasy
fix.
Correct, he hasn't done it yet,but it will be when he does it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh, I'm happy for you .
I feel like this is a problemthat you've been kept thinking
was solved.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, so it's been weighing on me, so I'm glad to
have that behind me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Besides the shardy party, my sister's birthday was
Labor Day, oh fun.
And we got together at aChinese restaurant in LaGrange
and it was delightful.
Did you have so much fun?
We had a blast.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Everybody, or just you guys, a whole fam, all 15 of
us.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
And this restaurant had private rooms and they
connected, so we had a kid'stable, an adult's table and they
had little like doors that youcould close, so you weren't
bothering the whole restaurant.
It was nice.
It was really, really nice, andshe liked the gift I got.
What did you get her?
I got her a sweater fromlululemon was it a little it was
not, it was like a tennis, likea cardigan.
It looked it's cute, it kind oflooks like a tennis.
(33:54):
Oh cute.
You know, for all you peoplewho wear sweaters, when you
click to this it is a text.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh good, I get a lot of laughs on this.
Oh, me too.
This was fun.
Hopefully you had fun listening.
Yeah Well, thanks for joiningus and don't forget to tune in
next week.
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