Two Rows From Ringside- Super Special Summit Spectacular

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Welcome back to two Rows from ringside. It has been a while, Ricky.
I checked the date on our lastthe last message I send you on
street yard to get on here andrecord, and it was April twentieth of
twenty twenty one. And here weare in October. So it's a nice
little six month, a little sixmonths, a little hiatus, a little

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bit, a little bit. Althoughyou and I have not had a hiatus
from each other. We've we've beenout seeing shows and uh and and and
getting up to no good here andthere and uh, watching the happy wrestling
parties at your house. Uh.Sometimes we just show up at midnight at
a random location and wrestle each other. So we have not been a part.
But we are here to talk abouta point. Welcome back, by

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the way, two Rows audience.We're glad to have you with us.
This will play over on the oldthe Evil Evil Facebook with that, with
that that shorn Cock, Mark Zuckerberg, I wonder if that'll get us in
this video. Band I was Iwas talking about him, I was talking
about him on another podcast and saidthat he looked like if it looked like

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if you had an erect Schlang andthen somebody tied a little string to the
head and held it up and thenit went totally flaccid. That would be
Mark Zuckerby. Now, now thatI've said all that, I wonder if
if we'll get banned. But we'llsee, we'll see what happens, but
it's it'll be all also available asa podcast here before too Long, in

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our podcast archives, which you cango back. There are over thirty episodes
there, some of them marathon episodes, some of them a little bit shorter,
but most of them are about anhour and a half or so of
wrestling entertainment. But Ricky, thereason we got together today, do you
want to tell them our point,our bone of contention and and where we

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see wrestling starkly different these days?Well, I think the biggest indifference we
had was the Suzuki and Brian Danielsonmatch. And I feel like I am
a part of a very small minority. But I told Greg, I don't
I don't ever pretend to be anexpert in wrestling. I don't ever pretend

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to go out of your way totell people that you're not a mark.
Now, but again, just fromwhat I've seen, I think I was
one of the few people that justdid not care for that match. I
know everyone ranted and raved about itand shot their load over it, but
I, for I have my reasonswhy I didn't care for it. I
don't doesn't mean that they're not bothgreat wrestlers per se. It just was

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not my cup of tea by anystretch of the imagination. Well, while
you are in the minority, Ican tell you you have some good company
there because mister James E. Cornett, who Ricky and I are both actual
marks for. And I'm actually curiousto hear what he said, Greg,
because I haven't listened to him inso many months. But i'd be curious
to hear what he said after,you know, after I discussed why I

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didn't care for it. Well,apparently I'm the only one that's still a
mark for him if you haven't seenhim in months. But yes, I'll
go into Cornett's take, which willprobably be similar to yours. But you
you texted me out of nowhere andyou were like, why are people freaking
out over this? Brian Danielson MinoroSuzuki match. It's two guys clubbing each

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other over and over again. It'sboring as fuck talk about the match you
saw. I'm not going to addany of my thoughts and I just want
to hear what did you see thatnight and what were your feelings? So
you know, I just saw abunch of punches going back again forth and
back again forth and back and forthand back and forth. You know,

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here's the way I look at it. UFC is also not my cup of
tea, but I really respect UFC. UFC has two guys in an octagon
that are legitimately looking to beat thefuck out of each other. Again,
it's not really something that I enjoy, but I respect these guys. They
are true badasses. I'll tune inevery now and then if someone is has

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it on. But that's real.These punches are real. The punches.
If you get hit by them,you're going to These guys get knocked out
and they're out cold for minutes.Then you also have a thing called professional
wrestling, where yes, the outcomeis predetermined, but the maneuvers in the
ring is why I watch it.I think it's really cool what these guys

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do. Being able to wrestle andput on a good show is really awesome.
Now, the punches and wrestling inmy opinion. Again, what do
I know. I'm not an expertin order again do I try to pretend
to be. But it's kind offiller. It's the in between. I
think there's a way that you canland a solid punch to make it look
real. But if any of thesepunches were real in that match, and

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if we're trying to sell this asbeing real, these guys would be dead
in three fucking minutes. You cannotpossibly hit someone in the face eighty seven
times and there's no blood. That'sthe funniest part. And be they're not
fucking dead. It wasn't a wrestling, it's it's too drunk. I mean,

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I'm not taking away because Danielson andSuzuki are both excellent wrestlers, but
Greg, that's I mean, youand I could have gotten in the ring
drunk as hell and just slapped eachother's titties as hard as we can back
and forth, and that's kind ofthe equivalent. I'm not trying to take
away from what they did, ButI didn't see any any wrestling. I

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saw shoot, uh, you know, punches that are you know, I
mean, let's face it, Imean, I'm sure they hurt. I
note, but they're not legitimate punchesbecause if they were, again, that
individual would be dead or knocked outwithin minutes or if not seconds. So
again, I like punches as partof the match when they when they count,

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same thing like the kicks. Butif you're basing a what a fifteen
minute match on that back and fourth, it's it's it's like two drunk college
kids seeing who's gonna quit first afterI'd slap who's teddy harder. Yeah,
it's just not my cup of tea. And I know i'd probably get torn
apart for it. And but tome, I've seen Brian Danielson Russell and

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not much because again I've just startedwatching the product again and he's had some
really awesome matches. And I don'tknow much about the Suzuki guy. I
admit, I hear he's a legendin Japan. He had some crazy good
matches with AJ Styles a couple ofyears ago that put him on the American
fan radar, and I would liketo see him because I don't want to
judge him off that match. Butyou know, I guess if you're just

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so obsessed with you know, violence, that's a work. I guess you
could be into this type of thing. But to me, if there were
moments, or even if there weresegments of that match, Okay, for
maybe fifteen twenty seconds they go backand forth, but then they put on
a great athletic display of professional wrestlingfor five minutes. But when the whole

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match is based around that, it'sI don't know, it's just kind of
one dimensional. Like this is it? You're just going back and forth?
What did you think of the uh? What did you think of the wrestling
sequences in between these uh, thesebrahmable bucking contests with the punches and the
chops and the knees. They werepretty stiff and boring, Like, I

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don't submission mostly submission based, wouldyou see? Yeah? I mean,
and I'm not totally against submission,but I mean, if you're going back
and forth with the chops and thepunches, I mean, for God's sake,
can you I'm actually looking for alittle bit of a spot fest.
Now give me, give me something, you know, wake wake me up
here a little bit. Did yousee did you see Daniel sin Omega?
Ya? Amazing? That was agreat match. You thought that was great?

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Okay, I do want to talkabout that match then too, that
was a really really good match.Anything any other thoughts on Suzuki Danielson before
I go into the alternate perspective onhow to view a match just to enjoy
it. I would like to seeSuzuki in again. Maybe this is just
the traditionalist in me, but Iwould like to see Suzuki in a regular

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wrestling match on AW because correct meif I'm wrong. His match before that
was against Moxley, right right,which not taking away from John Moxley,
but I don't think he's really knownfor his unbelievable in ring skills. I
mean, he's a he's a hardcorebrawler. Well, Moxley can wrestle,
he just chooses most of the timeto brawl and do matches, which is

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his passion and what he loves themost. It seems so U Suzuki is
not my favorite thing in AW.I have my favorite few things in AW.
Suzuki's not one of them. I'mnot taking away from him again.
I would like to see him actuallyjust really wrestle, But him and Danielson
just wasn't my company. If Iwant to see two people will punch the

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shit out of each other, I'mgonna go to UFC because it's fucking real.
Why would I want to just watchfake? And I hate I don't
like saying this way. It soundstacky and it sounds like I'm kind of
disrespecting it when I'm not. ButI can't stomach fifteen minutes of fake punches.
I can't do it. And Ifeel you on that. Like if
if I had viewed the match throughthe lens you were viewing it, I

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could see where you would hate it. And maybe my lens is different than
your lens. And for sure,and I think once I explain it,
you'll see why a person might haveliked it. Uh. But it's not
like I don't get what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Cornette
essentially said the same thing he said, Uh it was It wasn't just back
and forth shit with obvious the obviouscooperation drives. Yeah, Well he can't

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handle it, uh because he thinksit just it just makes the business look
phony and that and that sends himinto the red zone. He also said
that, uh, Suzuki shit didn'tlook like he's a He's a He's a
legendary mma. According to Cornett.I don't know his MMA background. I
know he has one, I don'tknow the extent of it. But apparently
he was. He was a bigname. He has an MMA background.

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But he said, but here hisshit all looks weak. So he Cornett
said the same shit that you weresaying. Now, you mentioned the two
two favorite things in a w whichI want to get to. I have
a feeling they might reside on thefront end of one of the female competitors,
but well, we'll talk about thata little bit later to see if
that's the two favorite things you weretalking about. However, let me let

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me tell you a different story aboutthis match, okay. Now, Minuro
Suzuki was brought in as a surprisefor the hardcore wrestling fans who know New
Japan, who are fans of NewJapan, who are big marks for things
like the Bullet Club and you knowaj Styles, Kenny Omega, Tanahashi Okada,

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those guys, you know, thehardcore a w fan base, They
know who man Uzuki is. Sothe idea of him coming in here and
facing some of the greats in AWis like a market moment for the fans.
So that's that's the fair enough.So here comes this man from Japan.
But I don't mean to cut youoff, Greg, but how much
of the regular viewer from AW knowwho this guy was from a W I

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think maybe? And in his defense, they introduced him in that in the
pay per view and all out wherethere was like three grand introductions right or
debuts, and he was definitely theweakest of the of the four. That's
not his fault. So anyway,I'm sorry to cut you off. Well,
it's just pointing that out. Yeah, no, that's fine. It's

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a smart Mark crowd though. Rememberthat of that million that are watching or
one point one sometimes probably at leasta third of them are smart Marks,
so probably a third of the audienceknew who he was. That'd be my
guess. All right, that's whoyou got coming in. He's going to
face your big names in AW.So the fans can have a mark out

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moment. Now let's talk about BrianDanielson. Brian Danielson did the unthinkable and
impossible and got to the top ofthe world wrestling entertainment. He was He
main invented WrestleMania thirty, won twoworld titles in the same night, and
defeated all the members of Evolution.That's the level of Big Star. Brian
Danielson is as as his former incarnationDaniel Bryan in the WWE, because they

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got to own everything. Then youhad just this past year. In fact,
the last show review we did wasthe last WrestleMania, the one from
Raymond James Stadium where they finally hadthe crowd back. And he was in
the main event of this past WrestleMania. And here he is now less than
six months later. He has decidedto leave the top of the mountain and

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he has gone back down because hehas something about himself he wants to rediscover.
He did not want to ever bethe most famous sports entertainer alive,
even though he's very grateful for it. He has very close with Vince Man.
Very much respect Vince McMahon. ButBrian Danielson had something to prove about
being the best in the world,and that meant the best wrestler in the

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world, the toughest and when hewhen you know, Brian Danielson's a rugged
wrestler. If you ever saw hisRing of Honor, stuff is japan stuff.
The American Dragon was a rough,stiff competitor, and I think there
was something in Daniel Brian that said, I need to come back and I
need to prove that I'm still afterall that, after I became the biggest
star in the world. Now I'mback to show you I've still got it

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on this level, all right.So those are the two guys coming into
this match right now. I thinkyou have to look at it this way
to enjoy it. Brian Danielson andMinora Suzuki both think they can beat the
other. They also both think theyare tougher than each other. But most

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fans would tell you if it camedown to a real fight, Suzuki will
destroy Brian Danielson. So Brian Danielsand in this in this context of a
work still and it's gonna go alittle bit beyond that. But in the
context of a work, Brian Danielsonhas something to prove. He has to
prove that I can stand toe totoe blow for blow with what people are

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calling the toughest h Japanese man.Uh this this tough Japanese monster. I
can go toe to toe and takeall of his best shots and still stay
standing. I get one second.I can also though outwrestle his ass I
can do both, and I'm andno matter which way it goes, I'm
prepared to do either one. ButI'm also a game for both, so

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I get it. But okay,so I'm prepared to take this guy blow
to blow. Now, professional wrestlingisn't just blows. So if if,
if that's the argument, or ifthat's the angle that they're going for,
why not do this in an octagon? That's what I just don't get.
It's just if, if you're gonnado this, do it, I guess

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for real, and in an octagonand not a wrestling ring. But instead
it's just you're gonna You're just gonnapunch each other over and over and over
for fifteen plus minutes. And Iget the whole thing. Oh yeah,
I want to see I want toshow howvere now tough I am. But
how about you just like wrestle theshit out of each other for fifteen twenty

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minutes, because that's why we're watchingall elite wrestling, right. Well,
I think I think it had itbeen in an octagon, it all would
have been probably really good like that. But I think there's a reason it
wasn't. That's not the story ofthis match. The story of this match
is I'm prepared to do both,and I want to prove both. I
want to prove that I can outwrestle you, and I also want to
prove that I am tougher than you. And now watch Suzuki in that match.

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What did he keep doing. Hekept doing little cute things like rubbing
his forehead or sticking his tongue out, or he was taunting Danielson like baiting
him right, and then Danielson wouldbe like, you know what, Okay,
let's go, let's go. Let'sgo give me your best shot.
And he was playing with him atfirst, like, oh, you're really

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gonna do it. Danielson gave himone kick, hard kick to the leg
when he was down, trying toput on a submission move, and Suzuki
smiled at him and said, okay, bring it more of that. So
now Suzuki is challenging him like it'slike it's a punk out move. He's
playing a punk card on Danielson.So now Danielson is literally going to stop
the match. And because it's prowrestling, both versions of this are legal.

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You can go blow for blow oryou can wrestle. Both are legal
now We're gonna stop the flow ofthe match completely. I'm going to stand
in the center of the ring withyou and show you that I'm gonna take
your best shot. They go backand forth a few times, and then
boom, Suzuki nails him with thatforum that looked like it knocked Danielson out.
I thought for a second it didknock him out. But what this

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tells me, though, as asan ignorant viewer, is that, Wow,
this whole match is based off theseinsane punches. So the rest of
the night, with the rest ofthe matches, whatever punches are thrown,
really don't mean anything because it's gonnatake about thirty seven hundred punches. Maybe
that's what this told me. That'swhat this match pretty much explained to me.
That that's fair. The rest ofthe punches that you're going to see

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throughout the match or for the restof the year or wherever a long Uh,
yeah, you're gonna need about fourthousand because these guys just unloaded on
each other for fifteen minutes and somehowthey're not bleeding and somehow one of them
is not fucking dead. Yeah,I mean, you have a point about
it saying that like, okay,so these are the most real fake punches

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you can do, and the otherfake fake punches aren't really something you should
say. So of the rest ofthe night, there shouldn't have been one
single because now it's like, well, wait a minute, yeah, why
I don't disagree that you you youkind of you kind of confuse it for
the audience. If you can viewthis match in a snapshot, I think
you'd like it a lot better.If you view in the context of a

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show, it might be a littleharder to take. And I think you
have a fair point there. WhatI'll tell you though, for me the
way, and I think it shouldhave been the last match of the night
too. I agree with that.I can't believe they put this one on.
My thought is that they're trying tothat was the buy in, right,
because I mean Rampage Tony Cohn,he talks about like the ratings.
You know, I'm sorry, butcome Friday nights, I am watching SmackDown.

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I don't give a fuck about Rampage, and I like, aw,
it's getting a lot better. Butif you think for one second I'm going
to tune into Rampage over SmackDown,you're you're out of your mind. I
think that they put it on YouTubewas because they figured, Okay, it's
not like it's late at night,it's on a Friday. What are most
smart marks. Potentially, Yeah,they're not watching my show. They're on
the internet. So if we haveif we have Danielson and Suzuki on YouTube,

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but you can just like it,be surfing around the internet find and
find it. They're not like,oh shit, look at this, and
then all of a sudden they're tellingyou, Dina Rampage starts at you know,
in thirty minutes or whatever, thecountdown to rampage. I think that
was the idea behind putting it onthere. I agree with you though,
it should have been the main eventof the show absolutely real quick. Let
me finish out just the story,kind of detailing the rest of the story

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of this match, just for fans. They either haven't seen it or saw
it and saw it in a differentway. But so they keep going back
to this. Okay, after thewhole knockout thing, then it's back and
forth submissions, and I love Suzukiwhen he gets the fingers and he starts
bending back the fingers and they twistthe risk that he ben it back like
this, and the hyper extended theelbow all in one move. When they
were when they were trying to getthese submission moves, the cattle mutilation or

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the Fujiwara armbar or the LaBelle lock, they were struggling every second of the
submission. I could see where you'resaying it's slow and boring, because it
was slow, But every second ofit it's like a Randy Orton shinlock.
I get into Randy Orton schinlocks becausethe whole thing seems feels legit, like
they're really struggling for it. Andboth times they would get each other in

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an impossible submission, they'd have togo to the ropes. They couldn't break
it, and then it's like,okay, motherfucker, you just tied me
up again. And now they're backup and it's like all right now,
motherfucker, let's do it again.Let's do it again, and then they're
back to the back and forth.Now I'm getting into it emotionally from this
story, okay, because I camein with two purposes to beat your ass
and to show you I could outwrestle you, and I'm seeing both.

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But it's an ebb and flow thing, and when frustrations in the wrestling sequences
reached the fever pitch, we're backto the bulls. Now. It doesn't
have to be your cup of teaor do you have to like it.
But I'm trying to explain the logicbehind why they would do this. I
can see your logic. It's justthe final I don't know the final product.
I mean, I guess, butyou know, you really shouldn't have

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to justify why this makes sense.You know what I mean? It should
be anyway, this is why we'refriends. We can agree to disagree.
Well, yeah, no, we'renot. You and me are not are
not gonna win each other over onthis match. I already know that,
I guess. I want to saythough that at the end, so Daniel
Bryan's so that's the story. Ontop of that, I think Brian Danielson,
the guy wants to have those smartmarks. See I can take Suzuki's

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best shots real Like, he's reallyhitting me hard with some of the ship
and I'm taking it. At onepoint, I think he knocked him so
goofy that Danielson immediately got pissed,and then he just yells out of the
crowd, come on, Miami,let's go. It was totally out of
place, that barely fit. Andthen immediately afterwards, Suzuki yells it out
to the crowd in Japanese the samething, and I'm like, these guys
are knocking each other half goofy.The ending was about six different reverses on

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attempted finishers. There was an attemptfor the sleeper by Suzuki, an attempt
for the gotch pile driver, andthen Danielson kept going for the knee.
Finally, Danielson did a double duck, hit the running knee and pinned Suzuki.
Both men had chests that looked likehamburger meat. Danielson had a minor
cut it on the side of hishead from one of those four arms.

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And that was it. So forme, I can tell you, as
you were bored because of the waymy brain was projecting this thing the little
movie theater, I was seeing itthrough the little movie projector, I was
playing it through. The story madesense, the emotions were appropriate, uh,
And I loved every minute of it, and I especially loved Taz and
ex caliber on this start. RickyStarks was a little bit. He was

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okay, but he didn't need tobe there at all. Ex Caliber and
Taz did an excellent job as fantasticon comentary. I always liked Taz as
an announcer, but when he's gotthe fucking bridle off of him and he
doesn't, he's not being produced.He is just in the moment, loose,
very good, very good, andex caliber. Because this match had
a lot of technical shit in itwas there for everything. Naming it properly

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ex caliber kind of reminds me ofa hyperactive Mike Taney from the nineties.
Yeah, I just I can't.I don't know, I can't warm up
to him. But Tadz I like, I like, well not to totally
die. I like see him punkon the mic. I think he's great
on the mic too. Yes,um, ex Calibers just kind of like
that black Sheep, Like, ohyeah him, Why because Cornett was roasted

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him for so many years, youcan't take him seriously. No, It's
just it's it's something and it's Idon't know, something about his voice.
Just his voice does get annoying.I will say that wow, wow,
oh my god. I don't knowit just it's what I'm just annoying on

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the commentary team. That's a realpositive phrase. W They still have Ross,
they still have Trevanni. I likesee him Punk on the mic.
I like Taz. I wish xCaliber talked the least out of all of
them. I will say that too. But he's good when he can come
in there on the technical stuff andthe n the really super marky stuff.
He can come in there with names, little factoids. In that way.

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He reminds me of like a secondrate Mike today. But he's he's gotten
better for sure. Ross is stillgood. They buried Ross for two years
because he wasn't showing passion. Thiswas his strategy the whole time. If
he was doing stundcows soundcow at thebeginning, where would he have had to
go to from there when it becameawesome like it is now. In a
lot of ways it has become awesome. In some ways, it's still it's

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not up to snuff. But Iwish you would talk to La Punk is
just natural. He was good oncommentary in w W two when he did
it briefly when he was injured.But now that we're on the subject of
aw what are your two favorite thingsin AW You know, I really like
Malachi Black. I think he's awesome. I like the character. I like
his his entrance, you know,the lights out and see his matches are

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cool because I just watched, Uh, I just watched last week's Dynamite,
and you know, he can deliverthose kicks and punches. But when he
does them though, they count andthey mean something. But when in addition
to that, though, he canalso wrestle, and when he wrestles,
it's really physical. So I reallydig Malachi Black. I think he's probably

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one of my favorite wrestlers, probablymy favorite in AW right now, and
just kind of the mid card ingeneral with AW IS is pretty solid.
Well. Talking about Black real quick. Obviously he was Alistair Black. In
the WWE, he was Tommy andI think on the on the indies,

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Uh, they're pushing him like amain event star for the first time in
his career, and he's done fantasticallyin that role. The character is unique.
Sometimes he's in a suit, sometimeshe's in the leather and looks like
he's going out on a murder spreewith a death colt um, and in
the ring he does some amazing shit. There was that one moment in the
match he had with Cody on whatwas the big Arthur ash Stadium show called

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Grand Slam. On the Grand SlamShow with Cody, he uh, he
did this whole thing he like likekick Cody out of the ring. Uh.
He he did some kind of crazyshit and then he did this perfect
little pirouette and sat down Indian stylesuppose, and it was just executed flawlessly.

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And then of course Brandy Rhodes,who has to be the biggest publicity
whore in the world. Uh,The Cornet Show has it right about her
on that she is. She's unbelievablewith how shamelessly she puts herself out there
and tries to just get FaceTime andshe wants to be a star above all
else. That's clear. She getsin the ring, sits right in front
of Alister Black or Malachi Black andflips him off and says fuck you on

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camera, and Black had I'm gladhe reacted this way. Whether it was
planned or not. He just burstsout laughing good and yeah, well I
remember that. Yes, That tome though, was like I loved it
because it's like, is this thelaugh that comes right before he literally tries
to rip Brandy Rhodes's face off,or is this I can't believe this chick

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is sitting in here with somebody whocould kill her and she's stupid enough to
do this. Either way, itworked, the laugh worked. What did
you think of the Grand Slam shows? I was I felt like a marking
out wrestling fan watching Danielson and Omega. What a fantastic I rated it four

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stars. It would have gotten thefull Monty if it had had a finish
and it was for the belt andthey had had maybe ten more minutes of
drama to build on, or fiveeven five minutes of a dramatic finishing sequence.
But it was definitely solid four outof five. Yeah, that was
That was our biggest mistake was notgoing to that show. We should have
definitely gotten tickets for that show becauseit was just an awesome, awesome show

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from beginning to end. I can'tremember the whole card off the top of
my head, but I don't eitherevery every match or almost every match delivered,
and it was it felt like apay per view. It felt like
probably one of their best, oneof their best pay per views, and
it was a weekly show. Itwas one of their greatest shows ever,
m a pay per view or not, although a full gear was the last

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one right where Danielson showed up andCole showed up. Was that full gear
or was that full out? Sorry? Full gear is the one that so
I guess like these Grand Slam shows, it almost like their clash of the
Champions in a way. Or Yeah, Tony con said they're gonna go back
several times and do big TV showsthere. That's going to be there.
I think that's really smart. That'sreally smart on their part because it's it's
a free pay per view essentially,and uh, yeah, I think that's

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that's very very smart. They're they'realways going to do good ratings. When
you hear it's coming from Arthur AsheStadium and it's a Grand Slam show,
it's always going to do a betterrating. And they stack this thing.
You had MJF and uh and BrianPillman Junior, which I thought the match
was so so where's he been?Where's Pillman Junior been? I haven't seen
him for a few weeks. Hehasn't been on TV since the MJF loss.

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I don't know if they're trying tolike give him some time so we
can come back in hot again orwith something that was a great angle by
the way, I love I lovethat angle. That was definitely one of
my favorites. I want to talkabout MJF. If you're okay with that.
Sure, So I know, mjyou have been an m on the
MJF bandwagon for a long time.You've always called him out as one of
the best heels in the business.I've been researching him a bit and watching

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some of his indie stuff some ofus. I wanted to see the the
the growth and evolution of the characterof MJF. I mean, the guy
is still as we speak right now, twenty five years old, and he's
been wrestling seven years. And Igo back and his early early stuff isn't
it's it's a little bit over thetop, but he is the only real

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heel left him that he will goon and say anything. But most of
what he says unless he's lying forlike heel comedy, most of what he
says either has a grain of truthor is completely true when but go ahead,
not to cut you off. Butwhen he looked at Brian Pillman Junior,
and there was a couple things inthe promo from a few weeks ago.
I mean, I felt so badfor laughing, but when he referred

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to his mom as Methani, Ijust absolutely lost it. And then he
was acting like he was talking toBrian Pillman Senior and he was looking up
and then he goes, wait aminute, and then he looked back down.
I was like, oh my gosh, that's that's a heel to get
legit heat from the crowd. Legitheat for those of you that that only

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here. Wrestling fans toss that aroundlike it's like it's an everyday term.
Real heat is when the audience,whether the audience knows it's fixed or not,
they know that you're pissing them offreally bad in this moment, and
you pissed them off enough that theyactually are either wanting to see you hurt
or they're prepared to hurt you themselves. That heat. And when you call

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a beloved wrestler. Even though BrianPillman Senior was in many ways of train
wreck, he was a memorable,beloved character. And he's and he's basically
saying, you're in hell. I'mgoing to talk to you as though I'm
talking down to Hell and to callMelanie to call Melanie Methany. I mean,
that's her, That's his real mom. And she really was a methaddict.

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Like you know, have you seenher lately? Old Melanie looks a
little reugh around the edges, heyin the center. Yeah, however,
but I was just I was soblown away by that, and I was
like, oh my god, thisguy is really really so I know,
when he comes out, I'm justgonna start laughing because he's just such a

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dick. He's such an asshole.What I love about it is and Stone
called Steve Boston must have seen somethingin him, because they had This was
a while back. This was whenMJF was still in MLW Major League Wrestling.
Austin had him on his The OldSteve Auston Show podcast and he actually
they had like a normal conversation andMJFF talking about his career and then at
the end they did an angle onthe podcast where MJF tossed a glass of

(31:30):
water in Steve Boston's face and SteveBoston threw him out a window of his
house and he like he was butthink about that, that's Steve Auston willing
to do an angle on his podcastwith at the time a twenty one year
old budding superstar. For Steve Austonto do that, he must have seen
something in MJF. Let's saw thewriting on the wall? I think so,

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And if you look at MJF whatI love about it. He never
breaks the gimmick, even when hepretends to go normal and start talking insider
baseball. As soon as he seeshis opening, he's like, but of
course that wouldn't mean anything to youbecause you're an ugly loser of a human
being. And he's right back tothe heel. Yeah, and he will
keep going. He was on BarstoolWrestling. They have a rastling podcast on

(32:15):
there with Brandon Walker, which isIf you haven't seen it yet, it's
hilarious. I suggest watching it.Usually the interviews are only about twenty to
thirty minutes long, but they're good. It's and it's a lot of aw
guys. He's had MJ MJF onthere twice and MJF will literally threaten him,
threatened to walk out if Brandon Walkerdoesn't give into his commands. For

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instance, I want you to putyour head down. Your face is bothering.
Put your head down on the deskright now, and Brandon Walker's trying
to like laugh his way out ofit and not do it. MJF will
sit there and demand until he doesit, that he put his face down
on the ground, or he'll makehim turn his chair all the way to
the bottom setting, so Walker's waydown like a foot beneath MJF and he'll

(32:57):
force him to do it. AndI think had Brandon Walker tried to play
tough guy and said no, MJFliterally would have walked out. That's a
heel that rides the edge and you'renever quite sure what you're seeing. Is
he really this big of a dick? Is he really getting pissed off in
this moment? The early mj stuffit was, it was more see through,
but he's perfected it, and I'mjust waiting for him though. I'm

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waiting for him to be like reallythough that huge, mega main event heel.
Like we haven't seen him there yet, you know what I mean,
Like we haven't seen yeah, likejust your number one bad guy, but
you would say that his personality andhis performance is already worthy of the number
one. Oh my gosh, justthousand, we're just not seeing it.
Because you're gonna have now Adam Pageand Kenny Omega and I don't know,

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I just feel like MJF really isn'tthey're not booking him as that uh as
a main event, as a mainevent or you know what I mean.
He was kind of like he hadthe Jericho series, and he had the
uh the Pinnacle in the Inner Circleseries, and then he had the before
that, he had the Moxley matchat All In or All Out one of
the one of the perviews from lastyear. That was the only main event

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spot he had. You know whatI think it is, if you're gonna
go with MJF is your top heel, you have to build the whole company
around him, and that means MJFheel as champion and everyone else chases.
And I just don't think they're readyto pull the trigger on that. They
know, believe me, they knowthey've got a superstar in their hands.
I would be shocked if Tony conlet him go in twenty twenty four when

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his contracts up. I think it'stwenty twenty four. Yeah, I'm pretty
sure if he I'd be shocked ifhe let anyone take MJF before that.
But eventually Mjf's gonna go to theshow. He's gonna go to the WWE.
Well, MJF would be a spartaldisaster in WWE. If that would
be a nightmare. If they fuckwith him, You're you're right. If

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they let him be him, hewould wouldn't happen. They're not gonna let
him be him. They don't tendto do that, do they. But
if they did, he has theability to be the biggest start. My
prediction is MGR MJF rather will bethe biggest heel star in the in the
business at some point. Uh,and it will be in WWE. Now,
whether they new to him and makeit less than what it could be,

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the jury is still out. Weknow they're they're want to do that.
Uh what did you think about switching? Did you want to talk about
anything else? In aw there's somuch, I mean, there's so much.
There's a lot of Obviously they signedsome really big names. I'm I'm
happy for it. It's it makesit interesting. You have CM punk,
which CM punk was the game changer. Was the game changer now kind of

(35:35):
week after week we get it.That's just me, you know what I
mean? But he's a little heis a little bit over exposed, a
little bit over scrows. Now everysingle beginning of the show, you hear
the music, and you know,are they just booking him just to wrestle
on rampage? Is that just toget people to watch on Fridays, Because
I don't know, I've I tunedinto the Was it the first or the

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first rampage is when he debuted?Of course I watched that, and then
he wrestled I think the pay perview that he wrestled in the pay per
view, and then it was thenext rampage he wrestled, and I watched
that almost every other week at thispoint, and then after a while it's
kind of like, well, I'lltune into that, but then after that,
m I'm done with the show becauseSmackDown is the When it comes to

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Friday's Rampage isn't anywhere near SmackDown's level, and the whole like Roman like to
me, the Roman reigns or seehim Punk draw Roman reigns by times fifty.
If I got to pick me,if I got to pick the best
guy and the guy I want towatch the most in the business. Right
now, it's absolutely Roman Reigins andwe'll get to him. We will get

(36:42):
to him. He is currently myfavorite wrestler, absolutely followed by Bobby Lashley
and then probably MJF. That beingsaid, you know, see him Punk
is fantastic. It's it is fantasticto see him back. He's a huge
star. He's been a game changerfor them. He put he made them
Legit meant more legitimate even than ChrisJericho. At Chris Jericho comment when he

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was Punk's age, that may bea different story, or ten years younger
than what he was when he camein, maybe a different story because Jericho
was a bigger star than Punk atone point, at one point a long
time ago. Though, So Punkis a bigger star than Chris Jericho is
right now in the eyes of thepublic. So I will say that it's

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great to see him. His matchesare good. I do think he's getting
overexposed. But all it takes ishe does commentary every week, he does
a match every other every two orthree weeks. All it's gonna take is
one heel and MJF perhaps to comeout there. Because when MJF was asked
about him on barstool on Rasslin.He said no comment, He refused to

(37:45):
speak about see him. Punky,wouldn't mention his name, he wouldn't talk
about him. He absolutely refused toacknowledge him. So is that a build
for something? Is MJF trying tocreate his own angle? I don't know,
but I will say that he allIt would take his MJF to come
out there and call him out andbe like, what the hell are you
doing on my show? I can'tget rid of you. You're all over

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it. Your voice is all overit, your face is all over it.
I was here, and you know, cut that kind of promo on
him and get an MJF see himpunk match, and put it on pay
per view. He's still gonna dobig star numbers on that pay per view,
even if he's being overexposed as acommentator and a weekly wrestler. I
would have to think, So,yeah, I really dig it. I

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like all the new text. Itexted you this before. I just you
know, the only new guy Ijust I can't get into, like see
him punk Okay, Yeah, he'sawesome. I gets He's a legend.
Brian Danielson. I get it.He's a legend. Adam Cole is like
so tiny and I don't know whatit is. Maybe the NXT ring just

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kind of made him look a littlebit larger, but he is such a
small man. I am intimidated bylike every single professional wrestler there is.
There is nothing about that guy thatis scarier intimidated. He literally looks like
a prepubisson And I'm not trying,like I'm not trying to be that way,

(39:13):
but like he's not really defined,he's not really like here's here's an
example. Finn Balor. Okay,not the biggest guy in the world,
but my god, is he cut? He shredded, looks like he was
carved by Michael Andrews. Yeah,like, but I don't know, I
just don't understand maybe the whole well, it just don't get the whole Adam
Cole of like you know what's crazy, Tony Khan, Now I don't agree

(39:36):
with you. I'm not that harshon Cole. I think he's got potential
as the chess master, as hisgimmick. But I've always said upper mid
card, perfect intercontinental level champion,and maybe that's what he'll be. Man,
if he is great, that's agreat place, like yeah, just
to be like, I don't know, he's just god damn, he is
small. But Tony Khan actually saidabout him on the latest interview I heard

(39:58):
mccon he said he might be thebreakout superstar here. So con actually clearly
has a high opinion of the guy. Uh, but he says good stuff
about all the wrestlers, so youknow, you who knows, you might
have guess, Yeah, but hecould say like he's one of the best,
uh current all around wrestlers or somethinglike that. But the breakout superstar

(40:19):
thing caught my ear. Um,speaking of superstars, Ricky, I want
to talk about Roman reigns and thenlet's talk about WWE. Um. We
could talk about Sting, how goodStings look. We could talk about Glock
Anderson, which was great. Wecould talk about the finally the resurgence of
FTR, the best tag team inthe business. They're awesome. They're fuckingpleh

(40:42):
who was a Triple A champions Nowyeah they're well, yeah they're the Triple
A Champions. But that was agreat angle and it was and it was
a great match, and uh,they are fucking fanny. They made sixty
two year old Sting look like aworld beater, and that was probably fifteen
percent Sting, eighty five percent them. They are a lot of fun to
watch. I've never seen a betterteam than them. I'm not saying they're

(41:06):
the greatest, but I've never seenanyone better. They might be up there
with certain people, but they justhaven't had the spotlight. Finally, I
hope they're going to get it ina aw But let's move to WW and
Roman Rains. For years, thebig rap on Rains was that why isn't
he a heel? He's clearly abadass. He's clearly like, uh,
this killer, and they're making himthe smiling, nice guy, this waving

(41:27):
goof who says stupid written phrases.Finally, when they turned him He'll,
even though it came out of nowhere, I was glad to have it.
I didn't care how they how theysaid it happened. You're getting this real
guy. He has the biggest Ithink there is a part of Roman Rains
that knows he is the shit.He is the biggest star in wrestling,

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and he is pissed that these goddamnfans have refused to acknowledge it. All
that that whole acknowledged me thing.There's a there's a big grain of truth
to that, and he I havenever seen a guy, probably sent Rick
Flair, who carried himself like sucha credible top of the mountain premier World's
heavyweight champion, the best in thebusiness, and the way he holds that

(42:13):
title belt up, the way heuh, the way he presents himself.
Every Rains match feels like a bigfight, and the big big ones.
I'm talking uh McIntyre, Uh fuckingthe main event, the WrestleMania main event
triple threat to the Sena match atSummerSlam was the biggest of all and now
most recently in Saudi Arabia with brockLesner, which I just watched last night.

(42:35):
Uh did you see that show?I watched that whole, very good
show, very people like we're rippingit apart. I enjoyed most of it.
I don't know what was I've Ihaven't been excited for a match,
uh with the brock Lesner Roman Rainsmatch and the Senor Roman Rains match,
I have not been more excited beforewhile it was being introduced in the ring

(42:57):
and watching it than I have probablysince I was a teenager. These were
big fights Ricky. Yeah, andthat's and and and it's not aw's fault
not to get back to AW.But I feel like, Okay, they
they brought in Danielsson, and theybring in Cole and see him punk.
But you're right, John Cena Romanreigns at SummerSlam. Here, aw's main

(43:22):
event, like you just it hasthat huge main event New York City feel,
you know what I mean. Mattison'sold school like team match like it's
on the Marquee and lights Um,you're right, and all of their matt
match and the same thing. BrockLessner and Rains at Crowd Jewel when you

(43:44):
get fought vibe as well. Spoileralert, uh Rains for the first time
in a main event match went overbrock Lessner here. Brock Lessner beat him
at two WrestleMania's UH one because ofseth rollins uh. But then they fought
again in New Orleans at that WrestleManiaand uh Lessner beat him there too.
Rains does not have it, didnot have the w over Lessner until last

(44:07):
night at Crown Jewel when he withinterference from the USOS and a and a
very slightly tossed championship belt. Rightin the middle of the two men by
the Wise Man, Paul Hayman doingthe best work of his career by a
country mile. Uh, fantastic.That package together is the biggest money remember
seeing a long long And I'm nottrying to take away from Roman Rains,

(44:29):
but Paul Hayman is a big reason, is a huge reason for his for
his success. Plus you have thestory of him and Brock. Oh well,
as Paul Hayman really kind of secretlysiding with Brock what's you know?
So it also had kind of likethat little side story going on as well.
So and that was a great sidestory, which which is the slime

(44:50):
ball really in league with Lessener?Is he is he betting on both horses?
You know Hayman would do something likethat. Yeah, and then Rains
they went originally where it was likeRains had a big time manager. He
was finally getting the heel push,the big matches. It was coming together.
But he's still respected Paul Haman.Lately, Paul Hayman is like his
tribal lawyer, the special counsel,the wise Man. But Rains ever since

(45:15):
Rains figured maybe I can't trust you. He's abusing the shit out of Hayman,
and Hayman will literally sit there cowerand cry, this is great.
Shit it is. It's really reallygood. And again it's you said it
best. It's it's a marquee mainevent, big time main event feel anytime

(45:37):
Roman Rains is involved now and again, to no fault of aw but they
just I feel like they can't getto that level. You know, they're
not yet. Maybe if they hadDanielson and Punk from ten years ago,
maybe, because if they were intheir prime and the peak of stardom,
maybe, but I still don't thinkeven peaked Daniel Bryan because Daniel Bryant as

(46:00):
wonderful as he is and Daniel,but Brian Danielson the rest of the American
Dragons, as fantastic of a wrestleras he is, and he's one of
my favorites. Uh, he hasnever been in my mind, the level
of star the Roman Reigns is rightnow taking away their wrestle. I mean
they're wrestling conspecting Bran Brian Danielson obviouslycan it's an unbelievable wrestler. But as

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far as the star power, thefeel, the real sports entertainment, that's
where it's it's it really shines whenit comes to a match as like Roman
Reigns and John Cen here they're inthey're in arenas with one hundred thousand people,
amazing lighting all over these The presentationwe've talked about it before productions is

(46:42):
bar none is bar none. Ittops, it does, it doesn't get
any better, and sometimes I don'tcare for that. But when it comes
to those main events, there isno better presentation. And it doesn't even
I don't care how much money TonyKhan has. He they can't hold up
a match to what WWWE can do. And that's where WWE really shines is

(47:05):
with that big time presentation. SometimesI don't really care for it. Sometimes
it's much it looks like corporate wrestling. Sometimes I get corporate a little bit
over the top. But when likewhen it counts and it's now the main
event and they're ready today, thisis our product. We're gonna show you
everything we have in this match,this is our big event. There's no

(47:27):
no one better in the business,and it's not even close right now,
it's not although I will tell youa week to week. For me,
the aw shows a more electric there'smore energy in the air, there's more
interest in the air, and youdon't know what's coming next. With WWE,
it has gotten so formulaic, it'spaint by numbers. The one thing
WWE absolutely kicks their ass on isthe big fights. They can't touch them

(47:49):
on the big fights. You're absolutelyright, and they can't touch them by
putting on a show that feels asbig as WrestleMania feels. AW cannot even
if they wanted, with every fiveof their colle to being, cannot do
that. Yet. Now, ifPunk had gone back to WWE, a
Punk Rains match would have been onthe level of Sure, these other big

(48:09):
matches we're talking about, but justlook at Rains. He's going over every
time. God bless Vince for knowingstill he's out of touch on certain levels.
He's way out of touch on levelsthat he literally doesn't touch. That
he has underlings that are yes mendoing it for him, like we're gonna
play that formula, We're gonna playthat McMahon winning formula. There. That's
ruining their product in a lot ofways. But Vince still has his finger

(48:31):
on the pulse of how to buildstars. Anybody that says they can't build
stars. Look at Roman Rains.He's a homegrown legend. He's a legend
in his own time now and he'shome grown, and he's gonna get bigger.
Imagine if he ever gets that matchwith the Rock, that'll be one
of the classic matches of all.So I let me ask you this,
what do you think it's gonna befor WrestleMania. Do you think it could

(48:52):
be him and Drew mcintyle, right, because Drew McIntire is now coming to
SmackDown. I think that I thinkit'll be I think it'll be rains Lessner
two. Okay, I think Ithink I think it'll be rains Lesser two.
And at that point I'd put himover Rock and set them up for
the year later if if they canget the Rock, set them up one
year later at the next WrestleMania withthe Rock, and I don't know where

(49:14):
you go from there from the Rock, but Rains Rains would be a made
man legend that could never be dethroned. If he gets that match, which,
by the way, he'd put Rockwould put him over, then he
would he could be that could putRains on an Austin level, that could
put Rains on a rock level,put Rains on a Hogan level. But
he's right underneath that right now,as far as what he's building too,

(49:37):
he's not. You could look atthe TV numbers and saying, what are
you joking? He's not even close. But it's a different business. It's
streaming, there's the network, there'sall these different ways that that the company
makes money off their stars. Nowthat the TV ratings don't tell the whole
story. How many how many viewsdo some of their videos get on YouTube?
A shit ton? Right? Uh, there's a ton of internet interest
and and eyes on that product too. That isn't just the TV ratings,

(50:00):
but real quick, hey, andnot to cut you off, just to
elaborate, and yeah, go ahead. Megan, of all people, she'll
watch, she'll be a set onher phone while I watched SmackDown on Friday
nights. But now she's kind ofinto the Roman Rain's angle and she has
zero, zero interest in professional rust. But she'll even say, wow,
this is really good, this islike this seems like big time, and

(50:22):
she's already kind of catching on likeshe wanted to see him and brock Lesner,
you know, because the story isso good and she really gets a
kick out of Paul Hayman. Youknow, she actually laughs out. And
he is funny, like he's soover the top, he's wonderful. And
the way he can switch just withhis face, switch emotions visibly for the

(50:43):
camera. Now, I'll say,Abby doesn't even watch it. She refuses
to watch it. Now that we'renot doing the Women Who Wait wrestling anymore,
she doesn't have to watch it.I asked her if she knew who
Roman and Rains was, and shegoes, I do know Roman Rains.
He's that really like long dark hair, real dark, you know, chiseled
look uh, looks like a badass. She knew who he was, So
that tells you something about Roman reignsin pop culture. That name. Uh,

(51:07):
it's getting out there because my wifewouldn't. I mean, he's he's
killing it right now. He is. He is so far ahead of everyone
else. And again he just hasthat main event WrestleMania. This could be
a household name type of vibe.But look at the guys. He's he's

(51:27):
run through he took down Wyatt,he took down McIntyre's, he's run through
Rollins, He's run through Cesaro,He's run through Balor. He's run through
like these under guys. But he'sbeaten John Cena, he is beaten.
Uh, Steene isn't as important.He beat Edge and Daniel Bryant at the
same time. He pinned them atthe same time he beats Scena. Now
he's beating a lessner. Think abouthow Vince is smashing this guy over and

(51:52):
it's beautiful because he's the right guy. It's the right time. Now,
I'll say about Vince, Yes hecan build stars, and yes he knows
how to troll that audience to getmaximum heat. The problem is they ran
Rains as a baby face way toolong. If they had pulled this heel
ship with him two years before ithappened, that might have been the perfect
time. Right after that Undertaker matchwhere he beat Undertaker in Orlando, the

(52:15):
match, Undertaker was so disappointed,and if they had turned him right after
that, I think that was theperfect time to turn Rains so that Vince
gets a little bit of subtraction there. But not being able to build stars,
that's what the guy does. Heknows how to build legends. He
knows how to build stars because whatyou do is you put them in positions
like this and have them succeed andthe whole world takes them seriously as a
star. So you think it's goingto be brock Lesner for for for WrestleMania

(52:42):
obviously, Oh, because obviously weknow Roman Rains is gonna main event WrestleMania,
right because they had the screwjob winat crowns ul Uh. By the
way, that cage match with Edgeand Seth Watson's quite good too. That
that spot where I can't believe inropes that Eddie smashes into the wall and
then goes through the table. Whata spot. I was insane and I
can't believe I'm saying this too.Do you know what? It's a really
good match for what it for whatit was lastly in Goldberg. I loved

(53:07):
it. I loved last it was. It was, it was good,
it was to the point, itwasn't too long. It kept my attention,
and I thought that ending was reallyreally good. I said, but
well, first of all, Ilove the summer slam angle. People should
all over that match. They shouldall over the angle that was about his
old school uh heat angle. Youcan get where the sun comes in.

(53:28):
They have a pause because I didn'tknow who it was, puts him in
the hurt lock, swings him aroundlike a rag doll. Mt MVP,
who sees the legal problems happening,is like Bobby, Bobby no. But
then as soon as he lets himgo and m you could see m VP's
wheel certain and he's like he hehe didn't know, he didn't know that
was gauge that he thought it wasa fan coming in. He was just

(53:49):
defending himself. And then he andthen he pauses and he goes and you
went and still the all my dayw W Jim Bobby. Lastly, it's
like they don't give a fuck.They knew who it was and they hurt
Goldberg's son, but they're weeeling theirway out. Bobby Lashly is it a
great heel because he could kill anyoneand he knows it. That's all you
need to be a great heal.He comes out there suited up with his

(54:10):
boys like the hurt business. That'sa he's a main event guy too.
I love Bobby Lashly and so wellGoldberg coming back to his for whatever reason.
Sally Rabia loves Goldberg and not thesoundest way too, Greg. But
think about these guys. We're talkingabout we love Rains, we love Bobby
Lashly. You know, I don'twant to say, like we're gonna say

(54:30):
Goldberg is it's a top star becauseobviously he's not. But he's still out
there and he's got and not thatpeople, not that people can can help
this. But what do they allhave in common? Size? You know
what I mean? They all haveAnd I feel like sometimes with aw at
least with me, And again Ireally like AW. I think aw Uh

(54:52):
doing as good as they are isjust great for wrestling in general. It's
really good to have another healthy alternativeinstead of But to me, again,
maybe it's just the traditionalist in me, maybe just because I kind of grew
up watching you know, late eightiesVHS tapes the Big Jack dudes. That's
where you get that pro wrestling marqueemain event feel, and not that the

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smaller guys you don't but you don't. Well, it's just not the same
when you think of two. Ifyou think of wrestling as like, this
is the evolution of the Roman coliseum. These are the gladiators coming to do
battle in front of the masses.They had promoters back then, but they
were promoting real coliseum shows. Inthe fucking Roman coliseum, and there were
lions sometimes eating Christians. But thinkabout it from that perspective, you don't

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imagine a gladiator the size of AdamCole in there for the big fight that
the masses all came to see,a fight to the death between these two
behemous or as you always like tosay, leviathans, these otherworldly looking creatures
that look like that came out ofa comic book. I get what you're
saying. And yes, if youlook at the biggest stars in the history
of wrestling, they've all had size. One of my favorite moments, of

(56:02):
course, look you know at WrestleManiathree, and it was Hogan and Andre,
but before that match started, whenthey were nose to nose and you
saw how everyone knew, I meanwhole Cogan is what six nine something crazy?
He was build a six seven andAndre was build a seven four in
that match, but when you sawthose two standing in the ring, and
I think one of the most importantmoments of that match was then standing there

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and the audience gets to look andsay, holy shit, look at the
size of this of these guys,look and and and you then could process
this holy crap. These are twoTitanic size individuals about to go at it.
This is the match of all matchesright here. You know, it

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is like wait, wait, holdit a minute, longer, hold it
letter. It's perfect, it's cinematic, it's it's it's it's the perfect formula
for the right sized people. Andagain I'm I'm not taking away because people
can't help this. I can't.You know, people gain help, but
they're not six foot eight. ButI don't know. You don't really get
that same, that same spark froman Adam Cole. No, you don't

(57:15):
get it. Don't get it fromFirst of all, Cole doesn't have that
kind of charisma there. He doesn'thave anything close to like hul Kogan's charisma
or but think about it now.Punk's not huge, but he's not little
either. He's big enough that hecan go in there. When he fought
the Undertaker a WrestleMania, people boughtthat's that Sam Punk could beat the Undertaker.
He didn't, but people bought thathe might. You can use the

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right guys who aren't giants. I'mSean Michaels wasn't a giant again, fair
enough, you think a classic momenthim in the Undertaker WrestleMania twenty five.
That's a classic moment in the inthe stands of time. Uh So,
it doesn't always have to beat theyhave to be giants, but they have
to be they have to not looklike the people that are in the stands
watching and waiting for the big largerthan life. That their character or their

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persona has to be larger than life. In my opinion, it has to
be the right gimmick on the rightguy, or just has to be the
right guy who is a gimmick.Uh And I'm not saying he's gonna he's
gonna main event of well not thathe he left there. But that's what
I really dig about Malachi Black,because not only can this guy really wrestle,
but his character is so is sogood, it's so believable. It's

(58:24):
so twisted, you know, AndI just feel like they have so much
with him, and I hope theydon't. I hope they don't ruin that
because I really really dig what theyhave going with him. I love the
character. And again, he's notthe biggest guy in the world either.
No, and another guy like thatreminds me like Pack Pack looks like a

(58:45):
bar fighting love. I love guy. Yeah, but he's tiny compared with
the giants, to compare with thebigger guys. He's tiny. But if
you if you said, hey,next week, they're gonna have Malachi Black
fight pack in a in a ina bar fight or a brawl, falls
count anywhere match, I'll be watching. Yeah. So I feel like,
you know, the AW dynamites,they're They've been very, very good.

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They do move very quick. Ifeel like the roster is they like no
more. There's a lot of peopleon that roster. And sometimes I watched
the show like who, who thefuck is this guy? Like where did
he come from? So I feellike they didn't we didn't talk about the
women there Britt Baker talk about it. Oh listen, man, mark my

(59:27):
words. You remember I said this, Britt Baker's gonna be a megastar.
Well, all I'm saying in theWWE at some point, Hey, do
you remember when we started this show. I wasn't into really to women's wrestling.
I am now really really become afan. And when it comes to
WWE, they're women wrestlers again areso far ahead of anything AW. It's

(59:50):
not even close it is so thegap is so far you can't even measure
it um outside of outside of Serena, Deep, thunder Rosa and a Baker,
I would tend to agree. Whodid they bring in that? Everyone
was? Oh, I can't standI. I haven't really cared for any
one of her matches. She's over, though, I guess. I mean,

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Ruby Riot's a good wrestler. Ilike her, I don't. I
didn't expect her to hit a bighit the splash that she did in a
W I didn't expect her to getover like right away, but she did.
Britt Baker though, that personality,man, she's got She's like a
heel version of a Roddy Piper type, not quite she in that Piper's heater.
I mean, she's definitely the best. She's She's definitely the personality is

(01:00:35):
boom out there. She's definitely thebest. But thunder Rosa is great too.
I love thunder Rossa. But anywaywe could we could name all kinds
of names here, but real quick, uh, I think that uh,
you know, looking into the futurefor for WWE, I do get the
impression that there's a very good chanceof a potential sale happening. I wonder

(01:00:58):
if Vince will finally just let togo, let Disney buy it. Let's
say it's Disney that buys it.One of Vince wit Man's idols for those
that don't know, somebody he clearlyadmires, because he mentions him pretty often.
If you look at like the yearsof his interviews that he's given,
he mentions Walt Disney a lot asa as a person he admired. Could
you imagine Vince the old man,Vince who's created this billion dollar empire,

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gets to sell it to Disney.Disney buys his creation. Can you see
that idea appealing to Vincent? Ofcourse? I mean, and I think
I don't know. I mean,I'd be curious to see what how Disney
handles it. If I'm sure Disneywould of course hire a bunch of consultants
and so forth, because obviously Disneyis not a wrestling company. But I
feel like the current WWE product thepast couple of months has been really good,

(01:01:42):
especially SmackDown. I feel like nobodyreally watches RAW. I think I'm
everyone probably agrees with me. Imean, I'll tune into it sometimes,
but again, it's just it's waytoo long. I will not watch three
hours of that garbage. But ifit's got Bobby Lashley on it or Charlotte
Flair, I'll watch it because thoseare they're tied for number two on the
Favorite Wrestlers right under Rains. Ican't commit to three hours on a Monday,

(01:02:04):
and I can't commit to you know, DV laring it and then trying
to watch three hours during the week. It's insane. But SmackDown it's a
consistent show. Some weeks are betterthan others, but I feel like it's
always it's it's a slow build,but it's a good build, you know
what I mean. Aw is kindof moving really quick. I don't know
if they're going to keep continuing tomove this quick, how it's going to

(01:02:25):
work for them. I feel likeSmackDown is a little bit more slow paced.
But now with Drew McIntyre and allthose other you know people coming over,
I'm excited to see because I thinkthey're firing on all cylinders right.
Well, Look, SmackDown's only gotto go two hours. We're allays gonna
go three. That's too fun long. It's always been too long for wrestling
always. It never worked it's allabout money. Do you hear Nick con

(01:02:47):
in that? In that fucking interviewhe gave a little while while back with
Ariel Hwani, he said, well, if it was up to me,
it'd be eight hours long, becausehe what he was saying was, oh,
yeah, I got money, it'sabout it's about rights bees for that
extra hour. But uh, anyway, Ricky, I do want to get
to our SmackDown experience here to roundthings out. But the last thing,
I feel like there was one lastthing I'd wanted to say, Uh oh,

(01:03:12):
I want to talk about Seth Rollinsbecause we have roasted Seth Rollins before
on this show when he was tryingto be a baby face because he's unlikable.
This this, I'm so glad youbrought this up. Let's hear your
take first. So ironically, Meganand I were and she was watching it
and the whole that whole part whereseth Rawlins breaks into Edges house, she
was laughing so hard and I wastoo. I think seth Rawlins as a

(01:03:35):
as a heel has been great.I think that whole story has been good.
It's kind of like an old anold school story with both of them
and the family and so forth.I think that's been a really good entertaining
angle. And I'm that that Helena Cell match yesterday was was freaking awesome.
That was it was a great match. It was a great match.
It was four stars. Uh andit was And you know what they did,

(01:03:58):
Helen a Cell without either getting actuallyhurt. The look the ship they
did looked brutal, but it wasn'tactually brutal. Mostly some of some of
the bump's edge taking that fucking tailbonebump on the steps. I was like,
oh God, and his own careeragain off off the cell and then
through the table. It well,he edge pushed seth Rons off the ropes.
At one point Seth rollins for thebriefest second. You could see it

(01:04:21):
on the slow mo he grabbed thechain link for just a split second and
then so he so he would havethe stability to position himself back to hit
the proper table bump and go throughthe table. Now but in real motion
it looked flawless. Now is SethRowlins and Edge still unsmackdown? I forgot
the draft results. Uh, Idon't know. I hope I have to

(01:04:44):
check on that because I just theywere I just really like that angle.
This was the blow well, thiswas the blow off of that food that
they're they're moving on after this.I think, uh, the thing about
Rollins. Before I praise him,I will say he's done about one or
two too many jobs lately. Theygot get him some big wins because while
the Edge feud was great, Iloved their SummerSlam match too, and the
pass out or the submission finish.Uh, I've liked pretty much the whole

(01:05:08):
thing. I didn't see the housebreak in. I heard it was mocked
in many circles. But you're sayingit was funny, I'll go with you.
It wasn't. It was. Itwas goofy, but it was it
was like a I don't know,it made you laugh, but it wasn't
like ridiculous. Sorry, that's okay. It gave me a good chuckle.
I thought seth Rowlands is actually kindof funny, as as the heel so

(01:05:31):
much better than the baby. Thebaby face was painful. I couldn't take
it. Every Monday, they we'reall opening up with him in those twenty
minute promos. Oh my god,I wanted to kill myself. But now
he's he's he's just entertaining. Ijust I think he's a great wrestler.
He's a great in ring wrestler too. Edge will always get a gold star
in my book, but Rollins hasturned the corner for me. I think

(01:05:55):
I think that Rollins, like Isaid, he needs some big wins.
He did. He did a verygenerous favor for Zara, putting him over
at WrestleMania. And I love howthe Edge feud started where it was about
Seth. Rollins could not stand thathe was not seen on the same level
as of Edge as Edge rather asa as a legendary performer, and he
bugged him and it kept him upat night and it was turning him in
nuts and he had to not justbeat Edge, but he had to destroy

(01:06:17):
and get rid of Edge out ofwrestling. That's a great angle when they
when they take it a few twonotches far, it goes into like fars
more than like heat, but likethe kind of heat, like a heated
angle, A really good angle,like I said, Heat gets is really
interchangeably used. But let me talkabout this character, the drip God.
I don't know what it means.I don't know what drip God is,

(01:06:38):
but Seth Rollins clearly knows what itmeans and he wants to be it and
sees a piece of himself in thischaracter of the drip God. This is
a hundred times better than that MondayNight Messiah. Bullshit. He was a
heel then too, but he stillsucked as the Monday Night Messiah. His
personality was still not heeli ish likemain event heal. It was like get

(01:06:59):
off my TV heel. You know, it was just forced. It was
stupid, like no one's buying intothis, like no one's buying it,
but they're buying it now, thecrazies, the suits, He's you know
what it is, Ricky Seth Rawlinshas finally found a character that people are
buying. And that was what hewas missing. That was what he was
missing. I used to loathe himand now I'm really entertained his again.

(01:07:21):
His promos are good, They're funny, and that whole angle that he had
with Edge was really really good andthat the blowoff was awesome. Yeah,
that was one hell of a match. So that was the way. I'm
curious to see what they do withhim. And and I love I love
the crazy suits, the one blackglove, Like he's some kind of arch
villain in a comic book. Buthe like it's working. It really is

(01:07:44):
working. And he's always been asmooth athletics like super Leopard in the ring.
He was always a fantastic wrestler.We never took that away from him.
But now he's putting it together.So seth Rollins. Have you ever
heard anything we said about you before? Which I know you haven't, but
if you ever do, just Ihope you keep listening to the point where
we said you finally got it,buddy, and you're finally at the top
of the card, and we likeit. We like having you there,

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Ricky. We've got about five minuteshere to to to round things out,
I think, before we start,before we start getting to go home que
from the people. So I wantto ask you described for the listeners are
two Rose fans. Describe what ourexperience, our journey to smack Down Live

(01:08:25):
was like for you? And Iwas marking out like a child waiting to
see Roman reigns. So Greg andI were at SmackDown a couple of weeks
ago in Philadelphia and uh, youme and my little boy, yeah,
and uh and Greg's son Jack,and we had a We had a great
time. We had a little bitof traffic going in was expected, but
we did make it there on time, and you know, we we got

(01:08:47):
tickets. They weren't expensive. Iwould say they were probably middle of the
middle price. I would say mediumpriced, right, Greg. They were
like, what sixty seventy bucks.Yeah, they weren't bad. It was
it was around sixty I think Ipaid I think I paid you one twenty
for both me and Jack. Soyeah, sixty bucks something in that range.
But if you ever go to theWells Fargo Center for a wrestling event

(01:09:09):
or any in any event for thatmatter, what was the name of that
of the area we were in,Greg, it was a it was called
the something. It was like thetwo hundred box or something like that.
It was something box. But makesure you get your seats there because you
walk into this it's almost like abig office store. You walk into and
there was a bar and kind oflike personal bathrooms like it's it's one of

(01:09:30):
the luxury boxes that like different businesseswill will will pay money to essentially lease
out and have a have a boxthere they could use for like people.
It wasn't a personal box like itwasn't like a press box, but it
looked like that kind of an area. It had a bar, it was
like this sort of room. Andthen right beneath the room there was the
bleachers that we went out and saidit but it was intimate. We had

(01:09:50):
a fucking private bathroom just about yeah, which was really really made watching the
show a lot more enjoyable. Wecould walk right to the bathroom room.
Uh and like maybe one of theperson would be in there and uh.
And it was a great vantage point. We were right. We weren't quite
behind the stage rickey, but wewere looking right directly at the side of

(01:10:11):
the of the entranceway in the stageto the point where I think we could
see Gorilla behind the curtains. Ithink we were looking at that at that
cordoned off area for Gorilla. Uh. And the the Piro. I haven't
been to a TV taping in twentyyears. The Piro made all of us
jump like scared children. Oh mygod, it was it was like it

(01:10:31):
sounded like bay Rout. It was. It was very very loud, and
the TV does not do with justiceas far as how loud you know the
Piro actually is. And And bythe way, Pat McAfee, who I've
praised and said if he really committedhimself one hundred percent of wrestling, not
to cut you off the club box, Yeah, I just I was driving

(01:10:55):
me nuts the club box anyway.I'm sorry. Get your tickets at the
club box at well Fargo, folks, because it really was worth It was
an intimate, cool setting to watchit in, and I was comfortable.
The seats were comfortable. You weren'ton top of anyone. It was nice.
Pat McAfee, I was really impressed. Like I said, he could
be a big star if he committedhimself to it. But you talk about
a hard work and announcer Ricky.Every time they went to break, this

(01:11:16):
guy would get up on the tableand dance. He would entertain the crowd.
He would ask the crowd like these. He would do like Q and
A's with the crowd. He cameout to the Sandman's music because we were
in Philadelphia, obviously, he cameout to the Sandman's music with a Kendo
Sta. Yeah, so he wasentertaining. A Michael Cole of course got
booed. Well deserved booze for MichaelCole, who I admire him as a

(01:11:40):
performer. He's talented, but youknow he deserves the booze. And in
the main event, we got tosee what we came for, Ricky,
we got what we paid for.We saw Roman Reigns. This was the
televised main event. Roman Reigns defendinghis belt against montez Ford of the Street
Prophets. Not obviously an opponent thathad any chance against Rains, but we
got to see the Wise Man,we got to see the usos. We

(01:12:01):
got to see Rains come out thereand do his thing, and then you
got to see the demons show upat the end and the lights go red
and some some schmaz happening. AndJack, who was obsessed with this Heroes
of Wrestling Mexican Triple a Mexican Wrestlinggame we had for xbox Ka, he
whispered in my ear when the demoncame out and he goes, I think
he's going to use the chair?Is he going to use the chair?

(01:12:29):
And then he used the chair.It was great, It was great.
Speaking of montes Ford, I gottagive credit work credits due. Montes Ford
could have like the best top ropestop rope splash of all time. Did
you ever see how say a lot. I did you ever see Oh my
god, it is unbelievable. Yeah, Now, I've seen other guys get

(01:12:54):
mega hype out of the splash.Did he pull that one off in Philly?
I'm not remembering off the top.I don't know if he No,
I don't think didcause it was itwas pretty much an ass beating. Yeah,
but yeah, but I have seenhim perform it, and he gets
some serious air on, he getssome serious serious hang time, um,
and then he gets go home andthen he gets to go home and bang.
Bianca bell Air, that's his wife. I don't know if you knew

(01:13:17):
that. I actually did not knowthat. You learned something new every day.
And she what what a what abudding superstar? She is that strength
she I've never seen a woman thatstrong in wrestling before China probably, but
like a girl that looked like agirl who had a girl frame. Bianca
bell Air is strong as a bull. And now they've got her feuding with
the top people. They got afeuding with Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch,

(01:13:40):
Charlotte Flair, all top of theline women to the top of the line
wrestlers. But ye, who arewomen? Yeah, I just She's got
a lot of personality. She's asympathetic baby face in very unsympathetic times and
that's not easy to do these days. Uh. Brian Pillman, I kind
of look at the same way,Brian Pillman Jr. He's the guy you
just want to root for. Andthat's why people love Danielson so much.

(01:14:00):
Danielson has this charisma that he's theultimate baby face. He's got that million
dollars smile that's natural, and peoplejust love him. They want to see
Daniel Bryan come out on top.So I keep saying Daniel Bryan, they
want to see Brian Danielson come outon top. And I think bel Air,
Danielson, Pillman Junior, they allhave shades of that same thing,
just this natural baby face charisma thatthe crowd wants to get behind. But

(01:14:26):
Ricky as a quarterly summit for tworows goes, we covered a lot of
ground here, my friend, wegot about an hour and ten. Did
you have anything else you wanted toget into and into any subjects that you
wanted to review. I know thefans should know you're you're living your best
life right now. You've made somehealth conscious decisions for the better. You're

(01:14:47):
you're exercising, You're you've given upthe sauce. I don't know what's become
of this man, but he U. I'm gonna have to call you out
a promo one of these days thatyou left the old gang. You left
the old gang, and now theold gay coming to well. I started
dabbling in the saw just a littlebit. You know, that's a little,
a little, you know, acouple of cold ones for the soul.

(01:15:08):
You know, Hey, at leastit's not a little speck of the
studio fuel. Yeah, at leastit's not a little fingerful of the foof
of dust. It's not that bad. But you know, I will say
I think both AW and w wE are both doing very well. AW
is really up and coming. WWEis I don't know. My heart will

(01:15:32):
always be with WWE, as muchas sometimes they drive me nuts. I'm
definitely still a WWE guy, butI'm happy for a w I think it's
good that there is an alternative.I think it's healthy for professional wrestling.
I think both companies will benefit byboth products being good. It kind of
keeps them on their toes. AndI think I don't think WWE is worried

(01:15:57):
because they shouldn't be worried. Allum people in line that are like,
oh aw, you know the ratings, it's not even close. It's as
right now there's no competition, butthere is no They are breathing down their
next ways in certain ways. ButI think and there does have more life
to it if you look at thewhole show. The shows have more life

(01:16:18):
on AW. The big fights though, are, like I said, clearly
far and above better in WWE.Yeah. So I'm just I I'm just
curious to see what the what thenext year holds. I'm cure because right
now Aw's firing on all cylinders.How long can this last? I hope
it does, But you're going againstthe best in the business. This is

(01:16:42):
my god. Vince mcmann's been doingthis for what fifty years? Forty fifty
years? Fans, fans, youshould think about this. There will come
a time he could live as oldas his mother was. His mother lived
to be one hundred some nine yearsold. I think she might still be
alive. But if she's not,she lived to one hundred. Vince McMahon
is seventy six years old. Therewill come a time when we no longer
have Vince, and I just wantto say anything critical you can say,

(01:17:04):
and there's plenty. He's not aperfect person. He's a human being,
for God's sake, has many flaws. But he is also going to go
down in history as the promoter ofhis era, and that means any promoter
anywhere, Vince McMahon was the promoter. And we can live in a time
where we were lucky enough to saywe lived in a time when we got

(01:17:26):
to watch the real Vince McMahon inperson as he lived doing his thing,
and that's a privilege to me.So yeah, I'm very I'm excited.
I think both companies are doing greatand I enjoy I have too much trustling
to watch and I'm excited to watchevery show for the most part. And
that's a good thing because a couplemonths ago it was a little bit stale

(01:17:47):
and I didn't really I kind offizzled out and I was watching more of
the older stuff from time to time. But I started watching the new contemporary
product again I would say three monthsago, and it's been really, really
good. It's my attention and I'mexcited to see where it goes. Yeah,

(01:18:08):
me too. Now I will sayright before we leave here. There
are some forward plans in motion here. I want to get our YouTube channel
really up and going. It's beensomething that's been bothering me for a long
time because we have we have someinterviews with Kenny Casanova. We obviously have
an interview the last interview with Kamala. We have Joey Casada from Wrestling with
Joey Lishes. We have some reallygood interviews that haven't really been seen on

(01:18:31):
the YouTube side of things. Wehave video of most of these interviews.
We also have, excuse me,a ton of content that we can put
up on our YouTube channel that I'vewanted to do this whole time, but
commitments with the other White Horse projects, with the ever evolving Truth and different
films that we're doing right now havetaken my time. But I really am
seriously looking to build our YouTube channelback up. And Ricky and I are

(01:18:54):
still going to come back and weare quarterly summits, maybe even a little
bit more often. If we feellike it, something big habits, we'll
come back on here and talk aboutit. So while we are unable to
continue as a weekly podcast, twoRows is still a thing that lives in
this world, and so stay tunedin the next couple of months. I'm
not going to overpromise here, butthe next couple of months, expect to

(01:19:15):
see content on that YouTube channel thatyou haven't seen before, all our best
of the belts videos, like Isaid in those great interviews, and we're
looking at doing a little promotion thereto get that channel kicking up and yeah,
up and running and kicking. Butnow that I can't even get my
words out straight here, stay safe, fans, and remember happy trails to

(01:19:39):
you until we meet again. Ohyou know what I forgot to say?
You have been with the Man aBullshit and the Man that counts all that
shut h and happy trails to youto meet again. But just like the

(01:20:00):
Nature Boy and the Carpenters like tosay, we've only just begun. It
would not be a super special summitspectacular unless we gave you a little bit
extra bang for your buck. Sohere it is our long lost episode the
WrestleMania thirty seven, a two nightreview by the Man that counts all the

(01:20:21):
Chedda and the old Man of Bullshit. Stay tuned and enjoy well. On
that note, welcome back to fans. We've had a little pause from the
mental health and wellbeing. But weare back now with a WrestleMania thirty seven

(01:20:42):
review. But I have got anangry young man on the line with me
today, Richard Seretta, why don'tyou tell the two Rose audience, who
has not heard from us in alittle while, Why don't you tell them
the SmackDown the WWE late on yourloyalty as a long term network subscribe.
How did they fuck you right upthe artists this time? You know,

(01:21:02):
Greg, I just I'm glad you'reasking this. I've been meeting to get
this off my chest. This hasreally been chapping my ass. You know,
ever since the network switched to Peacock, I haven't been able to watch
the fucking network. I am blessedenough to have three somewhat newer televisions in

(01:21:23):
my house and also Amazon fire sticks, and all three of them. I
have an LGTV, I have aSamsung TV, and I have a fucking
Sony TV. And all three ofthese fucking TVs you can't get Peacock on.
So riddle me this. How doesWWE a media megapower who owns everything,

(01:21:45):
who has countless money and countless peoplesigning up for the network. How
do they say, gee, well, we're going to transfer this over to
peacock. But Peacock is only limitedon certain fucking TVs or fire sticks or
rokus or whatever the fuck you know. And it's funny because you can get
the NBC app, but getting toPeacock from the NBC app is absolutely fucking

(01:22:10):
impossible, especially when you're using oneof these uh slow ass dilapidated ancient roqu
remotes like I have on my Roku, which also you couldn't get Peacock on.
Luckily for me, though, Ricky, our standards are different, and
you feel like you feel like ateenage masturbating king when you're having to watch
wrestling on your secret little laptop inyour bedroom. But that's how I prefer

(01:22:30):
to watch it. I prefer towatch it like a creep. So that's
what I did, and I wasokay. I saw both knights and was
quite happy. You ended up havingto resort to YouTube highlights. Correct,
Ye, I watched. I watchedfucking YouTube highlights. I was actually I
said to myself, you know whatI'm actually gonna, you know, tune
into WrestleMania. I'm gonna enjoy it. This year. I was looking forward
to it and then oh, that'sright, I can't fucking watch it.

(01:22:56):
It's ridiculous, it's bullshit. Ihave to agree that kind of stuff is
infuriating. However, the WWE probablydoesn't really give a fuck because they made
billions off this deal, with thisPeacock deal, so I think they're going
to be crying all the way tothe bank, but hopefully industrial I will
say this, I've been watching alot of their documentary contact late at night
sometimes when I just want to.That's that's my escapist entertainment, and it's

(01:23:19):
also the way I get a weirdperspective on the world by filtering it through
the universe of professional wrestling, whichyou can actually that's that's quite quite the
kaleidoscope to put up against the worldand kind of see it, see a
vision of the world that almost workson a pro wrestling level. And only
crazy people like me can do that. But that's what I like to do.

(01:23:42):
So I've been watching these documentary youknow, content on the network at
night on my computer. Now,at first, they were saying you couldn't
go backwards, you couldn't go forward, you couldn't pause, you couldn't do
this. I found the actual easeof navigating to be as easy as the
network was. Search functionality is notso cool because as soon as you hit
search, you're searching Peacock, notthe ww E network. So it's like

(01:24:05):
that's it's stupid, Like you geta bunch of noise and interference when you're
trying to get straight to some wrestlingcontent, and that is annoying. So
that's what you have to do.Because I still have the WWE network on
my TV, but when I hitthat, it says, oh, the
WWE network has moved over to Peacock, which is a stupid fucking name anyway.
Yeah, so now you have togo that's what. You go into

(01:24:27):
Peacock and what is there, likea little sub menu for the WWE network.
Yeah. Well, once you goonto Peacock, you have to have
a Peacock membership, so you signup for that. Then you have your
Peacock log and you sign into likemain Peacock, and then from there you
search ww network and you can landin that universe and it's actually kind of
cool because it keeps you logged inforever. So now every time I just

(01:24:47):
go to the website. I'm alreadyin. I don't have to relog in
and all that. You could probably, but that's on the computer. What
I would assume it would work similaron the smart TV or the or the
or the Roku. Uh do youhave? But you said you didn't even
have access to the Peacock app itself. Right, Oh, I can't well
here because after I googled it there, I guess they're in talks. But

(01:25:09):
the Peacock app is not yet availableon the Amazon Firestick. Amazon owns the
fucking world. So how was thatYou'd almost have to go out and get
a fucking new Roku or something tohave immediate access to Peacock if you weren't
on to watch it on your computer, And for them to have that be
the situation, I think it's prettywhich I'm not going to do because Megan
and I have you know, wehave Amazon Prime Family membership, so everything

(01:25:33):
is on our Amazon So I can'tjust say I'm not going to use the
firestick anymore and replace it with aRoku because we've just invested too much in
the Amazon platform. Right, reallyreally disappointed. And I hear now too
that Peacock is like filtering out someolder content. Yeah. I don't like
that, but I get it.Yeah it's NBC. So, yeah,

(01:25:56):
Piper and Bad News from WrestleMania sixis gone because Piper was painted half black
in that segment. You know,I've always been a I've always been I
get why somebody wouldn't want to watchthat. I do get that. But
here's my thing. I'm a bigproponent of ad don't subtract, Okay,
add an educational documentary about how howthe insensity insensitivities around wearing black face were

(01:26:21):
different even in the nineties, somuch different to the point where now we
find this to be very offensive content. Here's what the history of wearing black
face really is all about. Andyou educate people with that. You don't
need to take down what came beforeand make it go a waste. It
can't be seen at all. Toeducate and provide the content that would a

(01:26:44):
let's say, a woke person ora very politically sensitive person, what you
know, the kind of content thatwould make them think the right way about
the world. To make the cut, well, you never know. I
mean you say that in jest,but god knows, all right, I'm
being completely serious. It's a littlebit of a racist depicture. So uh,

(01:27:06):
I mean, let's just face it, though, pro wrestling is not
appropriate pretty much in any way,especially the older stuff. No, and
it look it's it's it's comic booklogic. Okay, you got to paint
and broad strokes in professional wrestling.You gotta have strong characters. So therefore,
a Nazi German in wrestling should belooked at as different than uh,

(01:27:28):
you know, a person and yourneighbor down the street who's a white supremacist
and as a bedroom full of Nazipropaganda. That's that should be looked at
as different than a guy on TVplaying an evil Nazi in essentially an action
movie in the ring. But Idigress. Um, So, Ricky,
what did you think in the partyou were able to see in the parts

(01:27:50):
you were able to see through youryour pathetic searching of the highlights, which
is what you were reduced to onthis deal. Uh, what was it
like for you to see some crowdback out there? Wasn't it fantastic to
see a crowd? Uh? Yeah, I mean that was really the biggest
takeaway for me. Yes, itwas awesome seeing a crowd. It was
awesome seeing a set um a hugetoo. It was it was you know,

(01:28:14):
it was it was really cool.Um the matches. You know,
again, I didn't really get tosee much. Um. I heard most
of the show sucked at least thatwas a consensus from uh, some of
our friends. And there was definitelysome suck involved, but there was also
some brilliance in my opinion, whichwe'll get to of course. Um.
But no, it was nice tosee people people back and uh, and

(01:28:39):
that has been in my opinion,and to no one's fault. It's no
one's fault, but that's really what'sbeen killing the product is just the no
audience. I mean, you coulddo that for a couple of months and
then after a while it's like,oh my god, this is the same
thing. Every week we've talked abouthow awesome the Thunderdome is and what a
marvel of production that is, whichis all true, but even the Thunderdome

(01:29:02):
does not get across it's better.But believe me, it's the first thunder
actually see I don't know a foreffort, and I really do mean that.
I mean, that was awesome.I'm trying to bring that effect of
having people in. But then aftera while, it got to be like
too there was just too much goingon. My brain couldn't register all the
screens and the lights and the pew. It just got to be a little

(01:29:25):
bit too much for me to absorb. You're right, and it is a
little It is a little I'm notgonna say I'm setting, but it's a
little unsettling to watch for a longperiod of time because it is so much
changing and stimulation. It's it's likewatching a strobe light for three hours kind
of thing. Yeah. And thenalso and then the you know, the
different camera shots constantly switching angles too. Between that and then you're switching now

(01:29:47):
you're seeing the wrestlers in a differentposition. Now you're seeing a new set
of lights and screens. It's like, oh my god, did I just
take a pill? Yeah, Well, before we get back into WrestleMania,
I got a little bone to pickwith you, mister man. That counts
all the chetta. I've come hereas a truth seeker tonight because you're used
to dealing with a man of bullshit. But I come here with a as

(01:30:10):
a truth seeker tonight because I'm goingto call you out. Son. We
had a deal back when we tookthe retro rocket back to mid Atlantic and
we saw arn Anderson and his sweetfades, and we made a deal right
then and there that we would getfades. Now, one man has made
good. I told Abby before Icame up here, you can't do a
WrestleMania review without the leather jacket inthe fades. So that's how I rule.

(01:30:32):
But you, sir, have comeup empty on the fade in the
fade category, and so what doyou have to say? What excuse could
you possibly give? I have comeup empty a lot of times in life,
and this was the biggest ball droppingof them all, was not having
the shades for this review. Iam completely ready to be asked to leave

(01:30:54):
from the show. I know Ihave let everyone down. I've let all
of our youres down. Don't youthink about those four people and you think
about their feelings next time you decidenot to wear the fads. Now,
I think what you should have doneif, since you totally dropped the fade
ball, you should have worn UltimateWarrior face paint to this review. But

(01:31:15):
you didn't. You didn't do that, So I would say, next time,
we're gonna make you wear make youlook like a hawk, an animal
or somebody. Well, maybe notto reveal it to our audience, but
there's going maybe there's gonna be somemore video content coming soon, and you
know, maybe, just maybe Iwill come on with some Ultimate Warrior face
paint just to make it up toyou in the audience, because oh yeah,

(01:31:38):
I dropped the ball in the endzone on this one. Well,
you better you better hope that thatworks to gain back the favor of the
fans and that you you continue countingall the cheddar and we don't have to
worry about you counting all the commentsfrom people who are calling you out for
this. And look at that,Greg, I'm now trending on Twitter.
Thank you very much. Just likethat, Thank you very much. Now

(01:32:00):
I'm having people saying they're going toburn my house down. Oh what did
you? What did you do?Did you call somebody the wrong name?
No, I did, I forgotmy shades, I broke a promise.
And you know how loyal our listenersare, so even that'll do it these
days. Just I'll do it now. Now, counting the cheddar is now
is a hashtag trending on Twitter.Well, I have to tell you,

(01:32:26):
when this show started I was absolutelythrilled to see any kind of crowd.
Reportedly there were twenty five thousand peoplethere in a seventy thousand seat arena,
which you could clearly tell it wasempty. But the production by the WWE
on this deal was I would saythis was the most potentially this was the
most grandiose, technically brilliant, beautifulset that the WWE may have ever done

(01:32:54):
for a WrestleMania that I mean itwas. It was beautiful, like it
was completely talked about it before.It was over the top. I don't
want to say good or bad,but it was just, you know,
very gaudy, over the top.Yes, it was like, we're gonna
swing for the fences in every singlecategory. We're gonna swing for the fences
on on. And you know,the set was somewhat tangible. They had

(01:33:16):
a giant pirate ship over the entrancewhere you know, the last couple WrestleManias
have been so disappointed when it wasjust nothing but screens and screens and more
screens. That gets really old.This had a really cool looking set and
just Raymond James Stadium because of theway they had it lit to dim the
fact that there were so many emptysections in the arena. They did use

(01:33:36):
cardboard cutouts, but they never litthem, so you couldn't really tell.
You could tell at some points theywere cardboard cutouts, but it never made
it obvious where the people were andwhere they weren't. But they had the
floor well lit, so you couldsee that semblance of a crowd the whole
time. But it was it wasawesome. I mean, it was,
it was incredible. It was definitely. I always say to myself, like,

(01:33:58):
these sets are like a big flexyou know what I mean, Like,
look at how big and powerful weare. This is, you know,
a huge fucking movie set for awrestling show. Maybe after a while,
not so much in my taste,but I mean it's remarkable to say
the least. Yeah, And Ithink you're absolutely right about what you just
said. I think if you're VinceMcMahon, that is you're like, that's

(01:34:19):
your moment of the year when youcan come out again and say, it's
seventy five fucking years old, I'mstill whipping the ass of every promoter in
the world, Like nobody can dowhat I can do. He's the ultimate
Carnival Barker. He's the ultimate showman, and he's done it at such a
high level, and even though it'swrestling, and wrestling has that dirty business

(01:34:40):
stigma to it, low rent entertainmentstigma. When you look at this man
as a promoter, I mean he'san absolute all you know, the sands
of time level genius. And Imean, year after year. I mean,
the guy just doesn't sleep. Sosay what you want about him,
but not to get all subject,but I you could really say, I
think he's like one of the hardestworking people of all time. This guy

(01:35:03):
just doesn't stop. And everyone that'slike close with him says, like he
does. He hasn't been on vacationin forty years. Yeah he does,
multi billionaire, he doesn't. Hedoesn't go on vacation. It's just at
seventy something years old, it's stillwrestling in the morning, in the afternoon,
and at night constantly. Well youknow, I even heard Ricky that

(01:35:25):
he and Linda reportedly may not evenlive together anymore, Like they're just business
associates. Because because Vince's entire existencehas become that company, Like, he
doesn't live a normal It's not likehe maybe once in a while he goes
to see a movie, or hegoes to get a good meal, but
like that guy doesn't have a normalsocial life. He's in Titan Tower or
his house looking at WWE twenty fourseven, Like that's his whole life.

(01:35:49):
And when once you've built that world, it would be kind of hard to
live outside of it and just bea normal guy. Like can you imagine
how mundane and bouring, just regularevery day life would be if you were
Vince wick Man, I guess yeah, I mean you have a point,
but it, I mean, whathe did over the years has been tremendous

(01:36:10):
and it just keeps getting bigger.I mean not it doesn't really wet my
whistle like it used to. It'snot really so much my style anymore,
as much as I wish it was. Yeah, but I can't. You
can't really argue numbers, and youcan't argue ticket sales before the virus,
and you can't argue merchandise sales andthese mergers with NBC. So I know,

(01:36:30):
I'm kind of a boomer, andmaybe it's not so much my cup
of tea anymore, But I guesstoo. To some they love it,
well, Uh, first's happening allover the place, one being that this
was the first Wrestlemanian history to havea rain delay. Yeah, there was

(01:36:51):
a rain delay for about I don'tknow, maybe thirty minutes, and they
had to put in ramshackle on thespot promos, which were better than most
of the promos you see on aregular basis, which would tell you something
about why they shouldn't script these damnthings. But then we got into it
and Ricky, we're going to talkabout the bad first, if you're okay
with that. On night one,what did you hear was the word?

(01:37:15):
Well, we don't even have toseparate it in nights. Let's just look
at it as one card. HWell, one thing about bad. That
what I what I've heard. Andagain I regrettably I wish I would have
gotten to seen it, but Iheard the Fiend is like buried, It's
like done, it's a it's over. Is that the case? Well,
so you know, the Fiend hasnever been my cup of tea. I

(01:37:38):
was a big fan of bray Wyatt. I was a big fan of the
Fiend when he first switched over,but then when he started becoming just a
magical creature that could do anything,I really started tuning out because for me,
is same with the under Everybody alwayswants to point do well, that's
what the Undertaker was, and hedid shot lightning out of his eyes and
was burned alive many times. Buthere's the deal. The Undertaker plays a

(01:37:59):
character who essentially is this sort ofancient old you know, this is like
a pioneer type guy, uh thatfor whatever reason, is cursed and he's
brought back. That's where he wearsthat. That's why he wears that old
school Undertaker gear when he debuts.He's a man out of time that has
been given this everlasting life. He'sthe dead Man, right. That's a

(01:38:21):
gimmick that at least allows you todo if you're going to stick to that
character. Allows you to say,okay, look in our ww E universe,
the Undertaker is this kind of character. You wouldn't question this in a
comic book. You have to lookat it that way. So I'm trying
to look at the Fiend that way, and in it's an easier pill to
swallow if you look at the Fiendas like a comic book character that in

(01:38:43):
the w w E universe it isRandy. Randy Orton, the the the
rogue hero burning this monster alive,trying to rid the ww universe of this
monster, this this man out ofthe Horror show, the Fiend, and
I try to look at it thatway because that is the only way you
can swallow this bullshit. Yeah,I think the match was what like five

(01:39:03):
minutes longer. It was five minutesand fifty seconds long. The Fiend was
pinned by the Arko. This wasafter so Alexa Bliss, after popping the
Fiend out of the jack O lanternor not the Jacqueline and the jack in
the box a giant jack in thebox that the Fiend came out of.
Five minutes later, Alexa Bliss somehowhas gotten into the box. She now

(01:39:24):
rises out of it and she's gotblack ooze. I'll Papa Shango and the
Ultimate Warrior from the nineties. She'sgot black ooze coming out of her head
and that distracts the Fiend and hethinks he's seeing sister Abigail, I guess,
and then he eats the rcao andjust gets pinned. So I don't
know what to say about that,my friend. But speaking at yo,

(01:39:46):
not to get off topic, butPapa Shango had a lot of potential in
my opinion, he was a greatcharacter. He was cool. I was
just like a character anyway. Ithink they made him lose too too quick
and too often, and it tookthe shine off of him. But yeah,

(01:40:09):
I always thought he was a terror. I was terrified him when I
was a kid. Did it helpthat he was on every single episode of
WWF Superstars That helped a lot?Yeah, Now I will I will point
out this is a nerd thing.But Randy Orton for the first time I've
ever seen him, where he worewhite trunks and read with red accents.

(01:40:29):
And if you'll notice, it wasthe Randy Orton version of the outfit that
Edge wore in the main event ofNight two, where he had the long
white tights with the red trim.It was almost like rated RKO. The
tag team of Edge and Randy Ortonfrom the mid to late two thousands.
Uh they they had like tag teamgear on even though they weren't attack team.
It was almost like an inside thingbetween them. I thought that was

(01:40:51):
pretty cool. Uh well, Ijust again, I know I talked about
this before. I always liked thefiend when he first came out, I
just thought it was an actual youknow, a character you know, could
be like a I don't want tosay a household name, but someone could
say, oh, well, yeahthat's that Fiend guy from that WWE stuff.
You know, it's just different.It was cool. It wasn't something

(01:41:12):
that you saw every day. Ikind of like the horror element and the
you know, the heavy metal music, whatever song they have for him was
awesome. And to see I think, well, it all went downhill with
the whole Goldberg loss, but uhyeah, that was the turning point for
a lot of people on the Fiend. I'm hoping they can rehabilitate it because
Wyndham Rotunda is a very talented manand he played the bray Wyatt character beautifully.

(01:41:42):
That being said, like the Fiendis not working right now, you've
got to do something to rehabilitate thecharacter. We said it before, I'll
say it again, and hopefully thismatch was was what we needed. Hopefully
the Fiend disappears for a while andcomes back in some form of the Fiend
that is closer to bray Wyatt.So therefore, the only time the Fiend
will have come out is in thosemoments, you know how like Finn Baylor

(01:42:05):
would only become the Demon when inlike the really important match, same kind
of idea with the Fiend, Likeit's bray Wyatt, it's bray why not
this fucking firefly, Fundhouse Dweeb,the real bray Wyatt, the swamp you
know, the swamp guy, thecolt leader, and then the Fiend comes
out when it really counts, whenhe really needs to bring out the monster
he can become. He can channelthis monster, the Fiend. I could

(01:42:27):
buy that, But that's what it'sgoing to take to rehabilitate this character in
my opinion, fair enough. Yeah, it just it sucks to see,
uh because, like I said,in my opinion, when he when he
first came out, it was itwas awesome, Like this is a guy
I could I could get down with, you know, Yeah, no,
for sure, for sure, Ricky. You know, every time I see
Bobby Lashley or Drew McIntyre in thering, I think of you because you

(01:42:53):
and me, and I've told thisstory before on the show. Uh,
you and me were um on vapingbreaks at work, right and we'll be
out there just chilling, getting awayfrom the job, and we would talk
about wrestling, and it had justbeen the WrestleMania had just happened. I

(01:43:13):
guess it was the last WrestleMania thathad a crowd before this one. And
we were talking about how like howis body Lashly not the world champion?
Like, how is Drew McIntyre notthe world champion? Here you got Kofi
Kingston with the belt and which youwere really against. I liked it as
as a as a rocky run,but like it was never going to go
any length of time. That beingsaid, finally everything that you and I

(01:43:38):
were talking about came true, andnow the WWF Championship feud is the two
guys we said looked like actual wrestlingworld champions, Drew McIntyre, who looks
like a Scottish warrior. Now Ireally like I've really gotten into this character.
He's not so over the top goofyas they tried to make him when
he first turned into a baby face. He's not so over the top goofy

(01:44:00):
anymore. He's got you can tellit's the real guy, and he's got
a sense of humor. But he'salso when he comes out, yeah,
you're getting the comic book feel thatyou know we used to get twenty thirty
years ago, exactly exactly. He'sgot that blue kilt and uh and and
he's and he's gotten really good nowbringing out the badass part of him when
he needs it. Bobby Lashly lookslike he should be the world champion of

(01:44:24):
every company that ever existed. Helooks like a Greek god. He is
unbelievable and unbeli blathlete. Uh andhe's you know, he's in his mid
forties and he looks like he couldbe in his mid twenties. He's amazing,
just a freak of nature athlete.MVP I think is doing really good
as his manager. So what didthe WWE do? They put talk about

(01:44:46):
starting things off with a bang.Drew McIntire Bobby Lashly in the World's Championship.
The WWE Championship, Uh went onfirst, Ricky, what do you
think about that? I guess it'sa little a little unorthodox having the I
guess, well, the main event, right, yeah, essentially the main

(01:45:08):
event, what could have been themain event, went on first, and
we ended up with it with adifferent kind of main event. So well,
I guess, I mean maybe thatwas their way of saying, hey,
let's try to get as many peopleto tune in right away and hopefully
we can, you know, keepthem tuned in. I had also heard
that Drew McIntyre insisted, he goes, I don't care if I'm in the

(01:45:30):
main event. I don't care ifI'm in the last match. He goes,
I put me on first. Iwant to be the first guy that
comes out to a crowd after thispandemic. I took as well, talk
about someone that deserves it. Yeah, he really does. I mean,
yeah, you imagine having to carrythe company through this time, Ricky.
It's well like your whole career,the way you work for this, and

(01:45:50):
I mean, the probability of thathappening to someone, and then here it
happens to you, and it's aone obviously, a once at a lifetime
moment or a once at a lifetimestretch of your life, and you don't
really get the full effect of it. You know, it's you're in an
empty arena, you know, doingsomething obviously people know it's predetermined and staged.

(01:46:15):
That just sucks, you know that, that really does suck. So
I had total empathy for him.Yeah, and you know what, I
was glad he got to come outthere and have that moment, but always
keeping us guessing the bookers here,Vince and the boys decided to have Drew
McIntyre go down in defeat to BobbyLashley, who won clean with his finish

(01:46:39):
in the middle, which I loved. I love the fact that the only
screw job part of it was MVPyelling from the apron, which what manager
doesn't yell from the apron? Butit distracted McIntyre and lastly, got this
the hurt lock on there the fullNelson, and so the heel champion cleanly

(01:47:00):
beat the conquering baby Face in anice surprise. And I love the fact
that a world title match at WrestleManiaended with the goddamn fool Nelson. Man,
that's old school that that's pretty coolto see, you know that that
I that I do, like,you know, a different fitt. Didn't
that happen in another pay per viewtoo? That recently that someone like lost
from a submission or it was kindof unexpected aw show, But that's something.

(01:47:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure which oneyou're thinking about. I know,
like there's been a couple of thosefinishes over the past year. I know,
even when Roman Reigns fought Drew McIntirethis past year, same thing,
like a technical pass out submission.Yeah, I know Moxley and Brodie Lee
did a pass out submission at onepoint. So um. Anyway, good
good stuff there. That's a bigthumbs up for me. Unfortunately, we

(01:47:54):
had to move on to Natalia andTamina winning a tag team turmoil match with
all the female tag teams. Thisthing was a rush job considering how many
people were in it. Um Unfortunately, Uh um, Well, what's her
name? Who's the chick that fellon her ass? That? Who was

(01:48:15):
it? It was Mandy Rose?Oh she she slipped on the ramp on
the weight of the ring and fellon her butt. Uh what talking about?
I saw that? That's my god. Talk about feeling bad for someone
good. I know. It's likenobody deserves that kind of mortifying that.
You remember Titus O'Neill that time inSaudi Arabia when he ran to the ring

(01:48:39):
for the Royal Rumble interest went underthe ring, slid all the way underneath
the rig that the commentators just startedcackling with glee. It was it was
fun on that. That was well, that was my thing. I was
like, like they got all kindsof ladders and chairs and who the fuck
knows what down there. Fire extinguished. He's like he went in there fast.

(01:49:01):
So yeah, I'm with you onthat. I know a match you
heard good things about was Cesaro andseth Rawlins. Yeah about it, And
I was actually gonna say, Ithink I think Cesarrow is like my favorite
wrestler in the in the main productof WWE. Really that's saying something.
He I mean talk about just entertaining, Like all of his matches are just

(01:49:25):
pure entertaining, and like the stuffhe does in the ring is awesome.
The guy is a it's obviously agifted athlete. He's like a freak of
all freaks you call Bobby last yearfreaks, Cesarrow is another freak. Yeah,
and it's just like it's always entertaining, Like it's never stale. I
don't find myself looking at like lookingat my phone like oh on board.
It's always you know, it alwayskeeps you going. And same thing with

(01:49:47):
seth Rawlins too, even though Ithink he's a little bit cheesy and I
think, uh, you know,before he left the whole maternity thing or
whatever, the fuck. Yeah,but damn like when he when he wrestles,
it's really entertaining. Well, atleast at least right now. At
least right now, Seth Rollins isplaying the right character. He's playing just
that obnoxious heel because the guy thatwe've talked about it before, he has

(01:50:10):
an unlikable quality to him. Buthe's a fantastic wrestler. And uh and
you know what as a as aas a smarmy heel, he works for
me because there's something helish about him. Now Czaro this uh and and I
and I give Seth Rollins major creditfor putting over Cesaro in this match in
a big way. Uh, believeme, Seth Rollins former world champion.

(01:50:30):
Like he elevated Cesaro in a hugeway in this match. That's gonna be
I hope good for Cesaro's career.But that fucking airplane spin backbreaker he does
with Noah hands the thing I've everseen, you know, it is the
is awesome. That's the one wherehe like spins in mid air, right,
yeah, yeah, I think that'sthat's so cool. And you know
when he wrestles like there is alittle bit of like spottiness to it,

(01:50:54):
you know what I mean by spot. It's like like the spots. You
know he talked about but it's it'slike just enough, like it's I'm gonna
gave you a little bit of aof a spot show maybe, but I'm
still gonna respect you, like ifthat makes sense. It's just enough to
like make it a little over thetop, but not not goofy. So

(01:51:14):
Cesaro got him around. After hegave him the backbreaker airplane spin, he
gave him the Giant swing. Theycall Sazar the King of Swing. He
gave him twenty three revolutions on theGiants swing, a great classic old school
move. And I'm and I'm gladthat he does that too, because that's
me too. I think that wasin our you know, Antonino Rocca move

(01:51:38):
back in the day. You're goingway back with the Giant swing. Um
now so yeah, Seth Rollins putshis oar over huge. Um, all
right, what do you think ofthis guy? Omas aj styles new partner,
Omas He's this like, the guy'sgot to be seven feet plus,
giant, scary king African American manwho looks like he could rip your face

(01:52:03):
off. Um yeah, I don'tknow what else there is to say.
I mean, the guy is he'sterrifying, he's imposing, He's thirteen feet
tall. Um, he looks hemakes AJ Styles look like look like a
midget. How tall is he?Oh? I I don't know if they

(01:52:29):
if they if they said it ornot, I'd bet though legitimately he's seven.
Okay, here it is he's seven. He's seven foot three. Yeah,
that's insane. The guy is absolutelygigantic. And AJ Styles, who
took the heat for a while fromthe New Day to give him something.
Once he tagged Omas in, itwas all over but the crying Omas pinned

(01:52:50):
Kofe with one foot after a coupleof just devastating looking backbreakers, and then
Styles did a phenomenal for him offof Omas's shoulders. It's pretty impressive.
Um so yeah, new tag teamchampions, AJ Styles and o'mas don't know
who's gonna beat those guys? Uhbron Stroman and Shane McMahon in the cage,

(01:53:11):
ricky um, I have. Ithink Bronz Stroman is the most unlikable
wrestler that they have. I don'the he has as they call it,
go away heat When I when Isee Broun Stroman, I want to turn
the channel. I really don't likethe guy, and I think he's not
that great of a wrestler, andhe looks like a monster, yes,
but just the real guy. I'veheard enough of the real guy that I'm

(01:53:32):
just like, you're you're kind ofa headcase and an asshole. So I
don't really have much to say.And now this seven foot, you know,
four hundred muscular, you know,giant of a man is getting bullied
by Shane McMahon and being called stupid. Yeah, is this wrestling? This
is an angle? I get.I feel the same way about Stroman.

(01:53:56):
When I first started watching again,I was I was drawn in by him
just because of his size, andyou know that was when he would just
like, you know, destroy jobbersin the ring. He was entertaining.
But you're right, I mean,he's obviously he shouldn't be wrestling for like
twenty minutes. It should be youknow, an in and out squash type
of thing. And probably it's asas far as it goes. But yeah,

(01:54:16):
Shane McMahon bullying him is kind offunny. Yeah. So in the
end, the bully, Shane McMahongot tossed off the cage into the ring,
thank god, even go through anothertable at fifty five years old or
whatever he is, and uh,okay. So then from there we had
a Bad Bunny. Ricky teamed upwith Damian Priests, the guy you and
I said, we both kind ofdug a NXT. Glad to see him

(01:54:40):
finally getting his shot on the mainroster. He's a good looking kid,
lots of charisma, seems to bea good wrestler, has a persona that
I think, you know, couldpotentially be main event if he keeps cultivating
it. He got the Mizzen Morrison, who by this point are almost bulletproof.
You know, they can be theycan be looked like goofs. And
then heated back up and you know, Vince loves clearly loves the miz and

(01:55:04):
he clearly likes this team because heput him in a very high profile spot.
But I have to say it wasclearly a very rehearsed match. But
Priest was injured with a back injury, and Bad Bunny's never wrestled before.
I thought this was pretty fucking decentunder those conditions. Well, I saw
the highlights, but Bad Bunny mate, with that spot of him jumping off

(01:55:24):
the top rope like you know,onto the uh you know, outside of
the ring, was was was prettyimpressive to say the least. Yeah,
yeah, and then you had himdeliver a Canadian Destroyer on the outside of
the ring to John Monow. Morrisongave the move to himself essentially, but
still, you know he that's badBunny doing a Canadian Destroyer in his first
match, you know that's that,that's saying something. And then in Night

(01:55:47):
one's main event, So here youhave this is historical. You have another
women's match main eventing a WrestleMania eventhough WrestleMania's two nights now, so it's
almost like you main event it oneshow of a two show super show.
That's essentially what this is. Buthey, in the history books, you
can still say they may have endedWrestleMania Night one. Bianca bel Air,

(01:56:11):
who I was really impressed with inthis match. This chick does some amazing
things. She is freakishly strong,tremendous athlete, and you know she's clearly
in love with being there. Shehad a hard time holding back her emotions,
which on one hand, I'm like, come on, you're supposed to
be a championship challenger. You can'tbe crying in the ring at In the

(01:56:32):
other sense, though, I kindof it's like, all right, this
person's really emotional about being here.I have a new respect for Sasha Banks
the more I've watched of her.She is a fantastic female wrestler. Fantastic
wrestler in general, but among thewomen, she is in the top two
maybe three. You know, she'sa beautiful girl. By the way,

(01:56:54):
too, She's naturally a very veryvery pretty woman, and she's going to
be a big star. She's Idon't know if you knew this, but
she's starring in the latest season ofThe Mandalorian under a real name. That
doesn't surprise me. She seemed verymarketable. I think so too. So
Sasha came into this champ um.They went seventeen minutes and it was a
good match, very good match.I would say if I had to rank

(01:57:16):
it, it'd be three and ahalf to four stars. It was quite
good. Um it was. Ifit had gone maybe ten more minutes,
I think it could have you know, that classic territory. But it for
what was there, it was avery very good match. I don't like,
you know, the finish of thatmatch, the you know, the
splash off the top rope, youknow, for the pin and then at

(01:57:39):
the count of three like the wholelike emotions that you're right, it's just
it's I don't know, like you'resupposed to. You did it, You've
done this before. And you cansee like during the pin she's already freaking
out like I didn't. I didn'tcare for that. Like yeah, no,
if you actually go back watched theclip when the ref is at two,

(01:58:01):
she's like already like freaking out,like she won. He has a
little too much to It's like,yes, like you're a real person and
you're very emotional, but it's liketrying to stay in character. You're a
World Championship badass woman main eventing WrestleManiain the first you know, and and
I guess both of these women areare African American or at least half that

(01:58:24):
and their main eventing so historical matchthere. Uh Michael Cole blew the finish,
he said after the Three Counties,like and I kick out by Sasha,
So he blew the h Cordy Graveshad to jump and be like no,
she won, and it was like, oh, apparently he got a

(01:58:45):
lot of show on the internet forthat. Um, but yeah, so
Bianca bell Air wins feel good momentat the end, and I was really
impressed. At one point she hadBanks up in a press slam. She
she lifted her up from us froma sitting or kneeling position, got squatted
her back up, then got herover the shoulder, then pressed her,
then walked up the fucking ring stepswith her all in one move like that

(01:59:09):
to me is crazy athleticism on thepart of Bianca Belair. So I'm not
I would not have switched the titlethis quick. I would have had Sasha
win here and had Bellair chase atthe home next year and do Banks bel
Air two at the next WrestleMania,and that would have had a year a
heap behind it. And you know, two great athletes, two great performers,
especially I. I definitely, inmy opinion of Sasha Banks is a

(01:59:31):
whole other level. But um,you know, the whole like crying when
you win the belt thing. Youknow, that's Terry Funk after like a
bloody match at fifty five years oldat ECW Right. Yeah, that's uh.
But to be he was clony onthe context of being Terry Funk winning
a title, not Terry Funk theguy who was just happy to be there,
that he was crying. He wasconveying a different type of emotion,

(01:59:54):
don't you think. Yeah, itwas just but it was like it just
felt like not that her getting thatthe belt wasn't deserve but like you're crying,
like how long have you? Imean, I don't know how long
has she been in in the inthe wrestling business. How long has she
been into WW He's only been inthe main roster now for a couple of
months. So she was there's mypoint, you know, and just I

(02:00:16):
don't know, like to me,yeah, just stop at the emotion crap
like a little bit much. Stopdo you feel do you feel me?
Though? It just kind of likeit bothers me too, to an extended
um, you know, and especiallylike especially because like, look, we
know this is predetermined, like stopright. Uh So we already talked about

(02:00:40):
the Fiend and Randy Orton, whichwhich kicked off Night too Ricky. Uh.
Night two also was kicked off byHulk Hogan and Titus O'Neill coming out
as the hosts dressed as pirates anduh there were reportedly booze for Hulk Hogan,
although I didn't really detect them really, I say, at this point
I don't know if it was justlike the way that like my feed wasn't

(02:01:02):
really picking that up, and otherclips got it more. But I think,
you know, at this point,give hulkbreak for God's sake, like,
yes, why were they why werethey booing him? Because there's still
a lot of leftoverheat over the racialcomments he made. So I say,
at this point, though, like, let's not forget Hulk Hogan was recorded

(02:01:23):
without his knowledge on a sex tapethat was taped without his knowledge saying these
things. So right there, it'slike, brother, you don't want to
hear me in my worst moments inthe history of my life and the worst
ship I've ever said, Like yeah, if you were gonna tell me,
oh, I got that on film, Like because every single wrestling fan,
no one has ever said something rudeor no one has ever said anything unsettling

(02:01:45):
or mean about someone my god.And look, Hogan was a shark when
he was when he was on top, he was he was political, he
was deceitful, he would stab peoplein the back. He was the consummate
worker, but he was also ahuge star who was taking care of his
own business. The point is he'snow a legend. He's an old man
and he's apologized. It's like,what else do you want the guy to

(02:02:06):
do? He shouldn't have said whathe said. He shouldn't have those racist
thoughts, But you know what,like he was, you also got to
take into account the man's had manymany close people in the wrestling business to
him who were black, who hedid a lot for. You know,
sometimes we just say hateful shit becausewe're in a bad place. So I

(02:02:27):
just say, let give halk abreak and just let him be the legend
he is. That's my two centson it. But Ricky, following that
the the fiend nonsense, you hadthe worst tag team match. Naya Jack's
fucking sucks as a wrestler. She'shorrible, and to Mina is also horrible.

(02:02:50):
If this match didn't have Shana Baslerand Italian it it would have been
a complete abortion. What it endedup being was a terrible match that ended
with Nia Jackson Shana Basler retaining againstItalian Tamina. Naya Jacks was like,
I don't know, ten seconds lateon certain spots. She's just awful.

(02:03:12):
It's like it's like watching a glacierout there. She's awful. Man,
they got to get her off TVand either retrainer and make her better or
make her a fucking bodyguard or something. If you got to have her.
I mean, she just looks sloppy. Like there's some big women out there,
like the wrestlers, and it's like, well, there's still unbelievable athletes
and they're not like guested in thering and they can still work. And
then when you when you watch Jacks, it's like, holy shit, like

(02:03:35):
this is like some woman that cameout from behind a fucking gas station counter
to wrestle in WrestleMania. She's I'mnot impressed at all by Naia Jacks.
I think she's terrible. She's hurtenough people at this point that like,
hey, I don't care if she'srelated to the Rock or not, you
know, like it is she partof the of the family. Yeah,

(02:03:58):
she's in the family, so obviouslythat's going to do you some favors.
But I mean she I mean whenyou look at her, and I looked
at highlights of this match, Imean she is in awful, awful shape.
Her cardio was not there at all. She like, oh my god,
like glacial pace. She's terrible andlike you said, that's not about

(02:04:19):
being a big woman. Um,there are people not at all. There
are many big women that can thatcan wrestle, and that can keep up
that much. It wasn't that muchsmaller than Nyah Jackson. Bull McConnell moved
like a leopard compared to Nyah Jackson. And then who wasn't someone trying to
body slim? I remember that thatpart of the match. She didn't even

(02:04:39):
go up at all. She didn'teven go She was like up half halfway
and like they just popped her downLike that was really crap. Well,
so that was a terrible match andit went the longest of any match on
the card except one, which iscrazy, like that match should have gone
six minutes. Uh, finish itup quick, get a spot or two

(02:05:00):
in and get the hell out ofthere, because you did not have the
talent in that ring to go fourteenplus minutes. Where you did have the
talent to go is when Kevin Owensbeat Sammy Jane as Sammy Zane rather both
of them took swipes at Logan Paulthe YouTube star, which I don't have
to say much about him, butSammy Zane, I love this. I

(02:05:20):
love this conspiracy theorist character of his, and he's so crazy and it comes
off like a like an amusing,interesting character who's just off his rocker,
and I kind of really like it. And him and him and Kevin Owens
went for only nine minutes here,but it was back and forth, NonStop
action. Really good match, reallyfun match, and I enjoyed the whole

(02:05:44):
thing. I would say it wasyou know, it might it might,
it might have hit I don't thinkit quite hit four stars, but it
was three three and a half stars, solid, very entertaining match. Did
you see any of this one?That was one of the few matches I
did not see any highlights of.I heard it was good, but yes,
that was one I did not seeany highlights of because remember I was
I'd been watching highlights on I guessirate and video clips on YouTube on your

(02:06:11):
laptop no less, yeah, onmy on my laptop. Nonetheless, said
what a way to enjoy WrestleMania.Hunched over like a piece of shit?
Did you at least have some nachosor something? Wow? It was just
it sucked terrible man. Thanks,Thanks Peacock. So did you see Shamus
and Riddle. I feel like wetalked about this one. I just can't

(02:06:34):
take it serious with the Riddle,you got a problem with rit Dal is
a really goofy character. I don'tget it at all. I liked Matt
Riddle, I don't like Riddle welland what and what is he is he?
Like? Is he like this stoneridiot until you make him a little
mad? Is it like an OrangeCassidy gimmick where it's like once in a
while you can get him mad enoughthat he cares. But otherwise I feel

(02:06:56):
like he's like he's he's like apoor man's rob Van Damn. He is
a kind of a four man's robber. And you know when you see him
in the ring, he does someamazing she does. Yeah, like he
he's a tremendous performer. But likethe I don't hate his personality. I
hate the gimmick. I hate thetights, I hate the b like you
know, no boots. I can'tstand it. I mean, if if

(02:07:18):
you're gonna have this guy go tothe top, uh, he's got to
get a hell of a lot moreserious. And it was a shame because
in this match they did some amazingshit. I was about to say this
was like one of the sleeper matcheson the card that just like outdid all
expectations. It was getting really good, but they blew a big spot or
two toward the end and it tooka little bit of fire off of it.

(02:07:39):
Still a like not to cut youoff. When Riddle took Shamus and
gave him the belly to belly soupblex off the top, that was a
battle flip. Yeah, that wasreally good. That was insane. That
was an awesome spot. That wasalmost as good as that Hangman spot it
at Oh, I don't even Ithink it was double or nothing. I
can't remember anymore. But when Hangmanhad the guy in the in the slam

(02:08:03):
and he was on the top ropeand he backflipped with the guy in the
slam position, that was the damnedestmove. I think I might have interesten
Apolo Cruise, who's an impressive lookingguy. He's now got this Nigerian heritage
gimmick going on, which I thinkhe's good in. Uh, he performs
it well, I don't know ifit'll get over. He beat hometown favorite

(02:08:24):
Biggie in essentially a hardcore match.They called it a Nigerian drum fight.
But so it was a decent littlehardcore match. Kept my attention. Biggie's
got a big future. He's gota hell of a personality. Apolo Cruise,
the jury is still out, althoughthey did put him over for the
Icy title. Here when a giantguy who was another seven footer came into

(02:08:46):
the ring. The guy his nameused to be Dabacado and he was in
a different gimmick. Now they havehim as some kind of Nigerian officer who's
this Apolo Cruise is muscle now,so that's how that's how that one turned
out. Um. And second tolast, here we had Ria Ripley beating
Asaka. Did you catch any ofthis? Ricky? That was one of

(02:09:07):
the other ones I did not see. I got most of them. What
do you think though, I thinkshe's awesome. Um, she's got the
look. She's got the look ina few different ways if you catch my
drift. Yeah. No, Ijust think she's a she's a great performer.
Um. Again, I'm not thebiggest fan of women's wrestling. I've

(02:09:28):
spoke about that many of times,but she's one of the female wrestlers who
I think are tremendous and are alwaysawesome to watch. Great performer, great
in ring worker. In my opinion, UM, I really can't say anything
bad. I think they made theright move here. She really impressed a
lot of people last year when shehad the title match with Charlotte where Charlotte

(02:09:52):
beat Ria Ripley for the NXT titleat WrestleMania in front of no One.
And in this match she finally gother her big match with a crowd one
the raw women's champion. I reallyhate that they have to to two of
every championship to fit the shows.I know it's not gonna get on that
tangent right now. We've already gonelong enough and we're not we're almost at

(02:10:13):
the main event. But I thinkit was it was the right result.
I like Oska. Osca makes avery cool character baby face. Um.
I like her better as a babyface than the heel Riah Ripley is.
Was it played heel here and shemakes a good heel. But she's gonna
be a massive baby face. Ithink we all know that. Yeah,
and I think she's you know,Jim Cornette's gone on record saying thing she's

(02:10:33):
gonna be a movie star. Andfrom the looks that where I wouldn't doubt
it. Can you imagine her ina Mad Max movie? Yeah, I
mean she could. She's like thislike Edgy Tomboy. I could definitely see
that, and those shoulders yaws.She spent some time in the gym,
We'll put it that way. Yeah. So then we had the triple threat

(02:10:54):
main event for the World the UniversalChampionship. I guess that's the WWE Universe.
One's the World Champion and the othersthe www E Universal Champion whatever they
have two of every title. Thisis the title that main evented the second
show. So I'm going to saythis is the most important title at the
moment, held by Roman Reigns doingsome of the best work, well the

(02:11:18):
best work of his career bar Nuneas a ass kicking, egotistical, dominant
heel. I love Roman Reigns inthis persona. I love that he's got
his right hand man now Jay Ussoas his interfering Toady, and he's got
Paul Hayman with him to do thosepromos. This guy. When he came

(02:11:39):
out and they did the championship introductions, I was just like God, there
was the million dollars superstar that Vincesaw all those years ago, and he's
been giving it to us in thisneutered package of the baby faced Roman reigns.
Now we're finally getting the guy whojumps off the screen as a million
dollar player and that build up.Ricky, what are your thoughts on Roman

(02:12:01):
reigns? Yeah, I think youhit the nail right on the head.
You know again, I haven't beenwatching for nearly as long as you have,
but I feel like now he's finallypicking up some momentum and you know,
the whole baby face just didn't reallywork for him, but him as
the heel you know, with PaulHayman, is much much improved to what

(02:12:22):
it was. You know this,I guess what last year, right right
right? They've they've done this sinceSummerSlam. He came back at SummerSlam and
he's been champion almost ever since.He wanted it the next show and he's
held it all year, and heretained it here. A lot of this
surprised a lot of people. Heretained it over the returning Edge who lost

(02:12:43):
the title ten years ago. Itwas never defeated for it came back here
in his main eventing WrestleMania again intwenty twenty one. It's like the grizzled,
veteran version of Edge taking one laststand. But he's still a heel
because you know, Edge always playedthat jackal like character when he was on
top, so it only made sensethat when he had his shot at the

(02:13:03):
big time again, he would channelthat jackal towards the end. So I
kind of liked Heal Edge going intothis. And then you had a guy
whose characters have been a little allover the place the last couple of years,
but when he's been every role he'sbeen in, he's done well.
But you got a guy who thepeople just want to love. The people
love Daniel Bryan. He is theconsummate babyface hero, the underdog, and

(02:13:26):
he's so good and he's so naturaland you could tell there's a genuinely decent
dude under there, and the fansabsolutely love him. So in my mind,
this was a huge main event andthe match. I fucking loved it.
I love just about every minute ofit. To me, Considering the
match, considering the emotion, thefact that we had the crowd for the

(02:13:50):
first time, the fact that RomanReigns went over by destroying both of them
and pinning them both at the sametime. Talk about putting your top guy
over real. Yeah, really Iloved every bit of this. Uh five
stars, That's that's my take.I have a feeling I might have ranked
it a little higher than you wouldhave. No, well, you know,

(02:14:11):
I unfortunately just got the highlights.I would love to see this in
full but yeah, just from thehighlights, I mean, it looks action
packed and you see saw back andforth. Um, really really good and
it was one that I definitely wantedto watch. You watch in full length,
to say the least, did youthink, uh, do you think

(02:14:31):
they made the right choice having havingRains go over that strong? Yeah?
I mean because he I guess,you know, give him, give him
the big push. You know,this is this was now supposed to be
your guy. You paired him up, you know with Hayman. Um.
I don't like the whole back andforth, you know, with with the
belt. After a while, thatjust gets it chapens it to me.

(02:14:52):
So I feel like, yeah,that's what that's what you have to do,
you know, having the champion fora couple of years and I haven't
be a big deal when someone losesit. But when you start with the
every six months thing and just kindof I don't know, yeah, Like,
can you imagine the pop that'll happenone day when Roman Rains has held
the title for three years and DrewMcIntyre is like on a just one the

(02:15:16):
belt then dropped. Was it Lastlythat got the belt and then lost it
right away? Wells miss got it? He lost it in like a week.
Yeah, and I hate that Lastlygot it, but he kept it
at this WrestleMania. Okay, yeahit was the miz that that lost it.
Yeah, which doesn't do anything.But I don't know why the hell
they did that finish with the MissThat was just plain I guess they just
didn't want to have Lastly beat McIntyreyet. But I would love to see,

(02:15:41):
you know, when a couple ofyears from now, undefeated streak,
Roman Rains is still on top asthe universal Champion, have Drew McIntyre come
back at that point and really bethe conquering hero and put McIntyre from like
right now, Rains is one,McIntyre is like one a make it when
they're really at a one to oneand they're both equally over and then you

(02:16:01):
make that your main event of Wrestlemanianhave McIntyre finally go over a Rains that'll
be have as much heat as youcould possibly have at that point. That'd
be the way I'd go. Butthen what do you do with Lashly?
Maybe the dream matches in McIntyre.Maybe it's Lashly, maybe McIntyre one of
them beating Rains first. I don'tknow what the right right mixes, but
those are the three guys in myopinion. Yeah, I would say Rains

(02:16:24):
is one A McIntyre, one BLashly one C. Yeah, i'd agree
with you there. Now you couldyou could put Orton an Edge in there
like legendary status wise, but asthe like the next five years guys,
maybe Orton will be in there.He's always in the mix. I don't
see Edge as lasting five more years. I think Edge has probably gone after

(02:16:46):
another year, you know, andDaniel Bryan's on his way out like he's
he's he's winding down his career overthe next two years or so. So
we'll see, we'll see what happens. But that was WrestleMania thirty seven.
My friends. I think Ricky,you and I haven't talked about wrestling for

(02:17:07):
a while, so it was kindof this felt fresh, This felt like
new content to cover and really talkabout. But it'll never match in your
mind the feeling you get from watchingthat mid nineties product that just had magic
coming off of it for you,right, like nothing's ever no, and
you're right, no matter how manylights, no matter how many sets,

(02:17:28):
no matter how many pirate ships youhave lit up, it's not at the
wrestler's fault. I don't know.I just I just feel like you just
still don't get that that old product. And I don't really know how to
describe it, but I know,you know what I mean, But I
know, and I don't know ifwe can ever get it back because we
just can't go back to being children. And that's where that and when I

(02:17:50):
even so much that but just whenit was it was more simple, you
know what I mean. I thinkit's uh to the younger fans. They
don't know any difference, so thisis great to them, and I get
that. I respect that, Yeah, But when there was when it was
just simple and there was one champion, there is one intercontinental belt, there
was one tag team champion, youknow, one tag team. Well,
I I'm willing to admit I'm wrongon certain things too, Like if I

(02:18:13):
say, you know, it's ridiculousthat you can give a guy a DDT
on the floor, which is whatthey did in that I think it was
the Sasha Bianca match. I thinkit was that match. They did a
d DDT on the floor and itwas a two count. Like DDT off
the apron onto the floor was atwo count. Now I can say,

(02:18:33):
well, you know, back onthe day, Geez, a DDT in
the ring was a guaranteed three count. But then if you if you go
back forty years before that, aheadlock was a finisher. So you know,
we did we like in the contextof this stimulated warfare for the modern
person, maybe the young Bucks andKenny Omega are ahead of the curve and

(02:18:54):
we are just too far behind thatframe. I think that's exactly what it
is. It's just it's it's toomuch for me, you know what I
mean. It's just as professional wrestYeah, but I just miss like looking
forward to a show having real storiesbehind it, having a real build up,

(02:19:15):
having a real you know. Uh, I'm trying to figure of the
right word. Not a blowoff match, what's the word I'm looking for?
Is at it? Well? Yeah, like the story that plays out to
a logical conclusion that ends with ablowoff. I know exactly. Yeah,
I just I feel like now it'slike these feuds that just never end.
It just keeps going. There's nevera conclusion. It's always it just keeps
go and go and go and going. And we're gonna have a rematch here,

(02:19:37):
and then a rematch here, andthen a rematch that here, and
then it's a break and then it'sanother rematch. Um, I don't know,
it just it just lacks simplicity,It lacks story. Um, it's
just and part of I'm sure alot of it has to do with w
E writing the scripts for the promos, which is so stupid. Um well,

(02:19:58):
yeah, that that has never workedfor me. That that Like,
I like a promo that clearly comesfrom the guy's emotions and even as much
as he's trying to get himself intothe moment, he can get himself up
to that level to at least doa decent but tell me, like,
but as an example, WrestleMania ten, Okay, I remember that was what
ninety five, ninety four? Yeah, that was nineteen ninety four. I

(02:20:22):
was I was six years old,and I can remember my family. There
was a party that day and wecould not attend because WrestleMania, of course,
but I wanted satisfaction knowing what's goingto happen between Brett and Nollen at
six. And I don't get thatnow, And but that was like,

(02:20:43):
that was so real. That feudwas so personal and so real you could
understand it was it was even six, so I understood, like, oh
my god, like, not onlydo these two guys not like each other,
they're brothers for Christing right, Yeah, that's a where is that now?
Like I just it's it's not theydon't need to reinvent the wheel.
And that's where people as much asI say, hey, maybe they are

(02:21:05):
ahead of the curve in some way. Uh, you also don't need the
useless lack of psychology that those guysalmost love to seem to flawn where it's
like we can change in midstream anduh, completely altered directions and continuity doesn't
have to matter. Like the psychologyis all kinds of fucked up right now
in my opinion, even if youmight say the matches themselves are state of

(02:21:28):
the art in a way. That'sthe only reason I mean that. I
mean they're ahead of there's state ofthe art visually and with this spot.
Yeah, I would say the matchestheir stadium. Yeah, And that doesn't
necessarily mean like bad per se,it's just it's all um, I don't

(02:21:48):
know, it's just it all looksgood on the outside, but there's nothing
on the inside. Yeah, there'sno qu there's no emotional core of the
match. And what you're missing thereis the psychology, because how can you
have pro wrestling psychology if you're havinga video game match? Yeah, the
the AI in a video game hasa different psychology than the psychology of professional
wrestling. So if that's what you'reimitating, you're gonna lose all kinds of

(02:22:11):
the psychology along the way. Isn'tthat inevitable? Oh? No, I
agree, And that's that's the biggestthing. It's like, it looks really
good on the outside. H You'reright inside it's it's hollow. There's no
there's just it's not there, Ricky. If I could go back and have
a wrestling show make me feel theway the WrestleMania tend made me feel the

(02:22:33):
night I watched it. I wouldI'd pay top dollar to be part of
that event. We got WrestleMania thirtyseven now in the bank, in the
bank, in the in the rearviewmirror. Uh and uh, ricky,
We're going to be back uh herein the in the semi near future with
some new stuff, some new uhnew skits. Perhaps a little visit to

(02:22:56):
the alternate universe might be in thecards. I know, I got a
I got a I got an urgeto merge us with some mad libs.
I know that's you know, wehaven't done that for a while. I'd
also like to just maybe get togetherwith you watch some of the bigger shows,
and then get together after having alittle, a little uh you know,

(02:23:18):
carrying on session a little, afew beers, a few goodies,
and then we come es home.Yeah yeah, then we come back and
we talk about it and play yousome clips from our party. All these
things are things that we're looking atputting out here before long. So stay
tuned. Thank you for tuning into the WrestleMania thirty seven review. For
the Man that Counts all the Chada. This is the man of bullshit,

(02:23:41):
and I'm saying happy trails to youuntil we meet again.

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