Two Women Chatting

Two Women Chatting

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues and fun topics that affect us, our friends and our family. Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way. Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids’, diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa. Our Listener Lounge is full of people like YOU and us: midlifers who might struggle a little with an empty nest but who are redefining the way they live through health, wealth, jobs, ‘pretirement’ and relationships. You can find the Listener Lounge on our website, along with lots of resources, blogs and expert advice. Don’t forget to subscribe/follow on your favourite podcast platform or via our website If you like our show please review/comment/send ideas for content or guests to our email at We read EVERYTHING and love to hear from you! Liz & Michelle TWC Co-hosts xoxox


March 21, 2023 7 min

To create this star-studded midlife montage episode, Michelle went to meet three fabulous women – Dame Judi Dench, her actress daughter Finty Williams and star of screen and stage, Jenny Seagrove. In the first of a series of montages to celebrate being a midlife or older woman, Michelle asked them all what was the best thing about life in our second spring.

Liz and Michelle chat about Jenny Seagrove's charity Mane Chance Sanctuary...

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On this episode, Liz and Michelle are joined by successful author and award-winning journalist, Alice Hart-Davis.

The world is changing fast and having cosmetic work ‘done’ is more common and normalised than ever, especially among celebrities. What are ‘tweakments’, why do we often feel the need to alter ourselves as we age and if you’re considering it what do you need to know? Alice, Liz and Michelle discuss all these questions a...

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    March 7, 2023 19 min

    Liz and Michelle are joined in this episode by Toni Hargis to chat about recognising and dealing with sexism in today's world. A subject that author and columnist Toni covers in her book – How to Stand Up to Sexism.

    They discuss why, even today, most of us still just accept sexism. As well as, how to empower ourselves, our daughters, and our sisters not to ignore or put up with it anymore. Explaining how we can embrace equity so w...

    February 28, 2023 36 min

    Almost everyone has suffered from a broken heart in their lifetime... from that crushing first love loss to longer more mature relationships but rejection during midlife when a relationship breaks down after decades is so devastating with kids, houses, bank accounts, longstanding friends and family all adding to the complexity of a couple uncoupling whether that's by choice or, sadly, not.

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    February 21, 2023 27 min

    This week Liz and Michelle are joined by the irrepressible Angie Best. an alternative health expert and founder of Absolute Best. Angie was a former model who married the legendary English footballer, George Best, with whom she had her son Calum. a huge reality star and TV personality. 

    Angie has worked for decades with body health and confidence: experience that she tapped into to create the Absolute Best CBD oil and skincare ran...

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    February 14, 2023 32 min

    Michelle and Liz are joined in this episode by Marianne Jones, to discuss why so many women burn out during midlife, which is exactly what happened to Marianne. She is an award-winning editor, writer, podcaster, and brand & content director who works with the nation’s biggest newspapers and magazines. About 18 months ago, Marianne ended up in A&E and was told she needed to take a significant period off work to recover from ...

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    February 7, 2023 36 min

    Liz and Michelle are joined in this episode by Melinda Messenger, mum of three adult children who is a former Page Three girl and TV presenter. In 2015 she began practising as a qualified psychotherapist. In early April, with The Adventure Boutique, she is taking part in a trek to support the Liang Tang region of Nepal, which was devastated by an earthquake in 2015. And It’s not too late for you to join her!

    Melinda provides an in...

    Imagine your best selling novel being transformed into a huge tv series in the USA.  That's what happened to Alexandra Potter, author of Confessions of a Forty-Something F-Up!  Her brilliantly funny inter-generational book was optioned by Disney and will premiere on Disney+ and ABC on 7 February (a month or two later in the UK) renamed 'Not Dead Yet'.

    Alexandra joins Liz and Michelle to explain how realising that her life, and tho...

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    January 24, 2023 22 min

    Michelle and Liz are joined in this episode by Helen Wills who is the author behind the Actually Mummy website and the host of the Teenage Kicks podcast. A show that is all about navigating teen-related parenting issues. Covering subjects that other blogs, forums, and podcasts tend not to cover. Including self-harm, eating disorders, body image, schizophrenia, sexism, avoiding dating dangers, and much more.

    During this three women...

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    January 17, 2023 25 min

    For this episode, Michelle and Liz are joined by Gia Mills, a celebrity make-up artist and the co-founder of Skin in Motion. Products that are designed specifically for menopausal women and athletes. Makeup that stays on regardless of how hot you get. The list of people who use her Skin In Motion products includes Andy Murray, Jeremy Paxman, Poppy and Cara Delavigne, Nadine Baggot, Lisa Faulkner, Sienna Miller, and Natalie Imbrugli...

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    January 10, 2023 24 min

    Michelle and Liz are joined in this episode by award-winning editor and presenter, Jo Elvin, who is the epitome of what Two Women Chatting represents. 

    Earlier this year Jo resigned from her job as editor of the Mail on Sunday’s YOU magazine after four years at the helm, citing a midlife crisis, having bought a lot of crazy coloured jumpsuits and becoming an avid fan of Korean pop boy bands!

    But rather than put her feet up, Jo ha...

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    December 13, 2022 26 min

    In their last podcast of 2022, Michelle and Liz sit down to chat about getting ready for the festive season, a really touristy Christmas market in Berlin, advent calendars, cocktails, avoiding the snooze after lunch, and all things Christmassy. They also talk to Hannah Bartlett, one half of the sister-created company Jolly Festive, who lives and breathes Christmas 365 days a year. She shares some fantastic ways to keep the cost dow...

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    December 6, 2022 29 min

    Grief comes to all of us at one stage or another and so Michelle and Liz wanted to tackle the subject head-on with the CEO and Founder of The Good Grief Trust, Linda Magistris.

    Join them as they discuss everything from the lack of support for bereaved families to dealing with both the shorter and longer-term impact of losing someone close to you. They also explore the reasons why death is such a taboo subject in the modern world a...

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    November 29, 2022 48 min

    Liz and Michelle are joined in this episode by Janey Lee Grace, Kate Baily and Mandy Manners to discuss sobriety. Both Liz and Michelle are feeling sober curious, to the point where Liz is already drinking a lot less. Both of their guests became sober years ago and today help others to do the same.

    They talk about the impact stopping drinking has, handling FOMO and getting the buzz without the booze. How sobriety reduces the impac...

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    November 22, 2022 15 min

    On this Snacksize episode, Liz, and Michelle chat about the grief of losing podcast ‘mascot’ Maisie, Michelle’s 14-year-old rescue dog.

    As Maisie’s health deteriorated, Michelle had to make the tough decision to let her go. They talk about coming to that decision and how Michelle is handling pet bereavement. Liz and Michelle also discuss how to tell your adult kids about the loss, when they live away from home.

    For Michelle, copi...

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    November 15, 2022 18 min

    For this episode, Liz and Michelle chat remotely. Michelle is off on her empty nest travels again to Tokyo.  Meanwhile Maisie, her dog, runs rings around her dog sitter, at home. Despite not being a fan of Japanese food, Michelle steps out of her comfort zone and takes a food tour that includes yakitori, stand up sushi and more. Followed by a painful Peaks of Slimness massage, which was like getting a massage from Rod Hull and Emu!...

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    Michelle and Liz are joined in this episode by guest ‘Miss Moneysaver’ Jasmine Birtles, a Daily Mail columnist, author, money expert and director of not one but three companies! Jasmine is also the founder and editor of one of the best-known money-making websites; the go-to site for information and advice on making and saving money day-to-day.

    Jasmine, Michelle and Liz talk about a variety of unique and creative wa...

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    November 1, 2022 14 min

    Exciting times ahead as Liz and Michelle begin podcasting weekly! Join them on the sofa with a cuppa talking about parents weekend, bagels in Central Park, Funny Girl on Broadway, mince pies in October, a trip to the Orkneys, Michelle's 'roadkill bingo', Gator-nado, not apple sauce and a made bed being a haven amongst chaos.


    For great resources, blogs and useful info for mid-lifers, check out our website at www.twowomenchatting...

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    October 18, 2022 42 min

    In part 2 of our Menopause series we chat to incredible women from the Menopause Mandate - Alice Smellie, Laura Biggs, Lisa Snowden and Lavina Mehta MBE.


    However it affects you (whether you are the menopausal woman or the partner or child of one!), we can probably all agree that choice, affordability of & access to HRT plus education can make it better and more positive. We are not advocating any one approach but absolutely...

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    October 5, 2022 17 min

    On this bonus episode, we chat to Michelle Bresnahan, founder of A Life for Cure, created in memory of her son Ryan Bresnahan. It's so important that we talk about the symptoms of meningitis B, the vaccines available (spoiler alert: they are not the meningitis vaccines you get at school - you need to PAY for them to protect your kids from this strain at college) and raise awareness within our school and parent communities.

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