Kona's Tropical Brews Meet Winter Wonderland

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If you've ever wondered how to turn winter woes into warm, beer-infused conversations, grab a seat in our cozy Minnesota studio. With snowflakes piling up outside, we swap tales of snowblowers, tractors, and an inventive attachment that transforms a weed whip into a motorized snow shovel. Meanwhile, we're mentally basking in the Hawaiian sun with a taste test of Kona Brewing Company's finest. From the Big Wave golden ale to the tropical notes of Hanalei Island IPA, these brews are the perfect antidote to winter blues, transporting us to sun-kissed beaches even as the snowflakes fall.

Join us as we recount a memorable trip from seven years ago, tied to a historic event, and the earworm of a concert that never came to be. As we savor the unexpected sweetness of the Gold Cliff IPA, a spirited debate ignites over the authenticity of Kona's mainland production in Oregon and New Hampshire. And just like that, nostalgia ushers us back to the days of "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?", weaving a tapestry of past and present. With a beer in hand, get ready for a journey that blurs the line between snowy chores and tropical daydreams.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
All right and welcome in everybody here to the Two
Guys in Beer podcast studio herein beautiful, beautiful Chile.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Minnesota it's a little chilly.
I hate this state.
I'm sick of winter already.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's a little chilly.
I hate this state.
I'm sick of winter already.
What's funny is the oldMinnesota saying it's actually
not that bad right now becausethe wind isn't going.
There's not much of a windchill.
It's not so bad.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Wednesday is supposed to get a pretty heavy wind on
that one too.
Yeah, I think they're tackingsome snow sticking on the ground
here, shovelable.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Shovelworthy, shovelable, shovel some snow
sticking on the ground hereshovel, shovelable, shovel
worthy.
No word shovel, shovelable.
Well, I got the label.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I got the uh the plow on the side by side but I got
to get the uh snowblower on thetractor before I get too deep
into uh, into winter some of usdon't have tractors, so now I
got the snowblower, thesnowblower, the snowplow, up on
my side by side about a monthago, greased everything, changed
fluids, ready to go.
But I did just order a new toy.

(01:10):
I don't know how well it'llwork, but I keep seeing them on
the social media, so I orderedan attachment.
Well, it's obviously socialmedia.
I ordered.
There's a mosquito in here.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Can you believe that?
What is it In the?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
wintertime there's a mosquito buzzing around.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
It talks about.
I'll talk about a hardy animalsurviving through.
I think I missed it.
I'm not really sure.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
You're not supposed to see those at this time of
year.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I know All sorts of chaos going on in here.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Right.
So the attachment I ordered wasfor my weed whip.
You can put it's like a snowbrush or snow blower at the end
of your weed whip.
It's like a motorized shovel,basically.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Huh I guess I've seen them where it inches and it
rotates kind of like.
I think I've seen those forlike like power brooms, for like
commercial shops or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
But so you can just attach it right to the weed whip
.
I have an electric weed whip.
It's the only electric thingthat I own with battery packs.
You know it actually workspretty well.
It's a 40 volt system, you know.
I thought well, heck, if I canthrow some snow with that in the
paths that I need to shovel,instead of using the side by
side because that doesn't fitright.
Well, that'll be better thanshow us.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, that's we'll see, we have that.
We have that battery snowblowerhere.
Oh, I just do like the littleparking spot out here, sure, so
it's not really, for I don't dothe whole driveway with that
thing.
That thing's a little subparfor that.
That works pretty well, though,mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah, I mean thebatteries don't last.
I mean they there for an houror two or something like that.

(02:42):
But if it's big heavy snow, Igot to go a little bit more
gingerly on there, because it'llfritz out and it'll just stop
and be like knock it off.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, one to two hours is still pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I suppose for a battery powered thing.
I still prefer fossil fuelswith my machinery, but some of
those little smaller batterythings are kind of worth it.
They do have a purpose, butmaybe, like you said, not for
the whole driveway.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, well, and that's, I'm not going to take
the tractor, and like I mean theparking spots I would do with
the tractor before or whatever,but the path going back and
forth here, like that'sdefinitely just a little battery
jobby Sure, makes it a loteasier.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So you know what else is easier, so you're also nice
to do when it gets cold out sitinside and drink beer.
It is so what kind of beer wegot this time.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Sit inside and drink beer and think of Hawaii as we.
We bring you the tale of Konabrewing company.
As the the hula is availablehere, I'll show you my hula
later.
There we go.
I can't wait, Looking forwardto that they all are man so, uh,
we're traveling to the bigisland.

(03:52):
Well, the big island.
Potentially there may be somecontroversy with that as we read
into that a little bit more anddiscuss more of the history of
our kona brewing company.
Uh, we got a couple ofdifferent options up here as our
selection.
The Mixed Pack that we gotpretty widely available.
You can get it at most alcoholshops, liquor stores, whatever
they call them.

(04:12):
You can get it at most places.
Probably the most popular thatyou're going to see almost
everywhere is going to be theBig Wave.
That's going to be your kind ofgolden ale.
You're going to see that on tapa lot of places.
It's pretty widely distributed.
The Longboard is maybe one oftheir more popular ones, the
Longboard Lager.
Then the couple of them thatwe're going to have today are

(04:33):
going to be the Gold Cliff IPA,the Pineapple and Natural
Flavors, and then the HanaleiIsland IPA with Passion Fruit,
orange and Guava in that one.
So lots of different optionsSounds pretty tasty, so we're
going to talk a little bit aboutthat today.
So if we're going to get thatcracked off, we probably better

(04:54):
get the best part of the episodegoing.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We better open her up .
That, with that hole, that'sjust a.
You know, we should fix abasket under there.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
There we go we could make a little basketball hoop
out of there.
There we go.
I like that.
It's a good plan.
This one's a little bit deeper,but I think that goes into the
middle.
That one is going to be more ofa stack We'll never get back
Next thing.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You know we'll get some shorts in our equipment
throwing stuff in there Exactly.
Well, here we go.
Goldcliff IPA All right, freshbrewed with pineapple and
natural flavor added.
So here we go.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Definitely get the pineapple a little bit.
I don't know, sweet is reallythe way to put it, but it is.
It says right there big labelwith real tropical pineapple.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I wonder if they get their pineapple from the dole
plantation on Oahu.
Maybe fresh pineapple there isamazing, I don't know, dave.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I mean, I've never been to Hawaii, so I guess I'm
not big on pineapple, though Ilike the pineapple flavor, but
the stringiness it's a texturething, you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So I'm not big on pineapple either.
It's not a texture thing.
I just didn't really care forthe flavor a whole lot, Maybe
because the pineapples are kindof crunchy.
But I'm telling you, when yougo to the Dole Plantation on
Oahu and you order some DoleWhip with fresh crushed
pineapple around the Dole Whipand you're scooping that in your

(06:28):
mouth, it's like your tastebuds are jumping for joy.
It's like little explosions inyour mouth.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Just get a shovel.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh my gosh, Huh, it is awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I'm going to have to keep that one in mind.
There was discussion ofpotentially going to Hawaii,
maybe this winter.
I don't know that it'll happen,but that'd be a little bit of
an aggressive kind of turnaround, but that seems like a good
discussion.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah Well, because we were talking cruise, but that's
like six weeks away, so it's alittle hard to kind of like wrap
that up.
You know that quickly, sure.
So, but a friend of ours haslike a timeshare somewhere in
Hawaii, I don't know where, butwe were looking at the flights
and we're like, maybe not thisyear, we'll see.
That's only, that's February,that's only a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It is an expensive place to go to, that is for sure
.
I took my daughter there.
We went there, holy cow, sevenyears ago.
Oh geez Is when we were there.
And the reason I know it'sseven years ago is because, well
, we were supposed to attend theLincoln Park concert two weeks
later.
And what happened two weeksbefore?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
and that is a tragic day in history.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
A tragic day.
Yes, so yeah, Gold Cliff IP man, it sure does taste like pan
apple.
Actually, so far, I'm reallyliking this beer more than I was
suspecting I would, becauseI've had Big Wave a lot Like you
said it's pretty readilyavailable.
Yeah, you can find Big Waveeven at concerts and outdoor
events.
It's pretty fairly common.
Yeah, not a huge fan of BigWave, it's okay, I don't mind it

(07:59):
, this is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would drink some of this.
I mean Gold Cliff.
I think they're referring to anactual location because the
picture on it does have a guyleaping and diving off of
golden-looking cliffs.
So I'm assuming it's areference to a certain spot.
We'll try to see if we can findout a little bit more as we go
along.
But kind of that goldenpineapple flavor really comes
through on that one.
Like I don't even get.

(08:26):
I mean I get a little IPA butit's very light on the hops side
of it is it is an IPA but it'snot real, uh, not powerful.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, you couldn't tell it.
I mean, I guess you can tell,but you can't tell if that makes
any sense whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, you could you could you could convince me that
this is just a regular ale, notan IPA, so it's a little bit
less hops, you know not thebitter portion of somewhere in
that, in that range.
So, but nonetheless, let's,let's dial her up here, let's,
let's get the get the showstarted here, as there's a
little bit of controversy,because as you look on the
bottle, let's hear on thisbottle and see if this one does

(08:59):
the exact same thing.
Yep, it does.
It says brewed by Kona BrewingCompany, which he conjured the
idea of Goldcliffe IPA andHanalei IPA and Longboard we're
going to the Big Island, we'regoing to Hawaii.
Brewed by Kona Brewing Company.
Portland, oregon and Portsmouth, new Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
What a bunch of liars .

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Which, by my math, neither one of those things are
on the Big Island.
I'm not sure, but I haven'tlooked at.
It's been a while since Iplayed the when in the World is
Carmen Sandiego board game.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
We'll talk a little bit about where that is.
I used to love that show.
That was a great show.
Oh my God, it was so great, didyou play?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
the video game in high school, too.
I never played the video game,no, but I always wanted to.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
But it was always so frustrating watching the episode
and you're like it's rightthere, the Philippines are right
there, and they'd look aroundwith a sign and they had no idea
where to go.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
It was so sad.
That was a great part of life.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Great part of growing up.
I got to find.
Maybe on YouTube I can findsome old episodes of that or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Did you ever watch Legends of the Hidden Temple?
See, I didn't watch a lot ofthat at all.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I've seen some highlights and stuff since then,
but I wasn't big on watchingthat or Funhaus.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Did you ever watch Funhaus TV?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Funhaus.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I don't know, it was a game show that I'd run through
and try to grab things.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh, I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's the best I can describe it.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right Like six.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I just remember I liked it and I had the Nintendo
game.
Oh, and that Nintendo gamesucked.
Oh, that's it.
It was hard.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I remember American Gladiators and I was always
convinced that I could be onthat show.
Laser, oh my God, yeah, yeah,it was.
Just everybody had the epicnames and then they tried to
bring it back a handful of yearsago.
That was terrible, that wasjust a terrible decision, ice.
It's even fun now looking backand watching some of those.
I mean like the outfits and theway they have even the padding

(10:57):
and the gear is just completelyridiculous.
But I mean at the time, oh myGod, the Eliminator at the end,
like you had to wait a certainamount of times before you could
start running up the backwardstreadmill.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
There's a great documentary on Netflix about
that.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, watch it, I watch it, it's super good, check
that out, that looks amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Anyways.
So we're going to first kind ofdive into on their website kind
of what they go over.
Founded by a father and sonteam, cameron Healy and Spoon
Kalsa, the pair had a vision toreflect the spirit and the
culture and the beauty of Hawaiiin a collection of local craft
beers.
In 1994, they set out for theBig Island to bring their dreams

(11:37):
to life.
So they went to the Big Islandto be able to kind of get this
going Flash forward to today.
Kona has become one of the mostwidely popular craft beer
brands in the world.
With that being said, it's beenable to stay true to Hawaiian
roots through innovation,sustainability and community
outreach.
We'll get into that a littlebit more later.
I know we've talked numeroustimes on the podcast about

(11:58):
sustainability and things likethat giving back, but they have
a lot of things that they do, alot of innovative things to be
able to stay kind of sustainable.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Seems right on par with most craft breweries or
microbreweries.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
And they are still headquartered.
On their website it does legitsay they are still headquartered
where it all began Kailua Konaon Hawaii's Big Island.
So that's kind of where westart our adventure.
Here Again, we'll stick with alittle bit of their website, but
we'll also kind of do someresearch here on some of the
other locations.
They got some of theirinformation and you know it gets

(12:33):
a little interesting, you know,when you start getting into the
nitty gritty of where is itactually made.
I feel like we need like a lawand order theme there, or
something.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Wouldn't that be funny?
Darn it.
We need one of those soundeffects buttons.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
So, founded back in 1994, cameron Healy and his son
Spoon Kalsa combined their loveof Hawaii and the natural
pristine beauty of the islandwith a fondness of delicious
local beers beauty of the islandwith a fondness of delicious
local beers.
Lucky for us, the dreamcontinues to live on through the
aloha type of phrase.
So that's mostly what's outthere on their website.

(13:16):
So now going over to somedifferent areas here to be able
to do that.
It's a brewery and pubheadquartered in Kailua Kona on
Hawaii's Big Island.
So there is still a pub thereand that's one of the things
that they have.
It's not just a distributorlike Anheuser-Busch.
You don't really go to a taproom that's Anheuser-Busch.

(13:37):
Maybe again I guess I don'tknow where you would even do
something like that, butwouldn't that be?
That would be almost kind ofcool.
Maybe they have it at theactual.
I don't think that Miller Coorsdid when we did the tour the
one time.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, we got beer after the tour there.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, but I don't think it was like a tap room,
was it?
That was a lot of years ago.
We may have to go again.
We may have to go again.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I remember there being quite a few people, yeah,
that I can't remember.
Yeah, hmm, I would assumeAnheuser-Busch kind of has the
same gig, right?
Yeah, I mean it's so big.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know it's not like you're going to go to.
I mean, you're going to go to,like you know, locally here.
You know you're going to go to320 Brewery.
You're going to have some ofthose here coming up on future
episodes, so make sure you keepfollowing along here, like share
, subscribe, like the whole bitthere with that one.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
But you don't really, I don't know that you have like
a bush light bar?
I hope not, that would beterrible.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That would be kind of interesting though.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm sure there'd be.
There'd probably be, you know,like a lot of camel involved,
Maybe some lawnmowers parked outfront.
That is a high on the lawnmowerscale Some side-by-sides,
absolutely A couple tractors.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't know what it is with bush light.
In this specific area of thecountry, everybody likes bush
light it meets a good, easy,smooth drinking beer.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's a terrible light , though.
It's a good, easy, smoothdrinking beer.
It's a terrible light, thoughit is kind of crazy how much
like you can't go to a bararound rural Minnesota and rural
Wisconsin without having atleast one tappy bush light Right
and I do say that literallythat sometimes they'll have two
taps that are bush light.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
One.
It sells a lot.
How much bush light did yousell out of your bar?
Oh, a lot.
It's ridiculous yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, it's unreal.
Yeah, mick Golden was alwaysthe number one.
It's ridiculous.
It was right up there.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You know what's better than Bush Light is
Michelob Ultra.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Ooh, I do like me some.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Ultra.
I'll drink some Ultra.
My wife drinks Ultra and I kindof drink it from time to time
and it is way something lightit's going to be likely an Ultra
.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's actually what I have in my fridge over at my
house right now.
Oh perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That and Modelo.
Pretty sure I have some Ultraat home too.
I always have Coors Light.
I kind of like the Coors Lightwhen I drink a light beer, when
I like IPAs, I like the Kona.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
There we go, the Golden Cliff, and now we've got
the Golden Cliff going here, sothe sister location.
There's also another locationin Hawaii Kai on Oahu, formerly
owned by the Craft Beer AllianceKona, is now owned by PV
Brewing Partners.
That's been September of 2020.
Oh, okay, so it doesn't give mea link to be able to find out

(16:18):
more about that.
But Oahu it is.
Oh, here we go, PV Brewing.
Never mind.
This page has not been createdyet, Never mind.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I guess there's no information there.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, so they have multiple different kinds.
They say that they haveapproximately 10 different
styles that are brewed on aregular basis and served only to
the local Hawaii market at theKona Brewing, a locally operated
pub.
So we don't even get theopportunity.
Got him, got him, got him thatwas the last surviving winter

(16:51):
skeety and that guy is done, soit's only available locally
Kailua, kona and Hawaii Kai,along with restaurants all over
the island.
So most of what they offer youcan only get there.
Sure, which I follow, makessense, rightfully so.
It's the state's longestrunning craft brewery, which I

(17:13):
guess.
I don't know how many craftbreweries are on Hawaii, but I
haven't been there so I'munaware.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
On that one, yeah, I didn't even notice when I was
there.
I wasn't really looking for one, though, either at the time.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'll try to be more cultured and get to places.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, please Culture.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
More worldly Culture yourself, andy.
But it grew into the nationallyrecognized brand.
It was established as anindependent brewery, separate
from the mainland'sAnheuser-Busch operation, which
was the mission to create fresh,local craft beers exclusively
for Hawaii.
So originally started there andthen it sounds like this PV

(17:50):
Brewing is part ofAnheuser-Busch but it's a
different one that's morefocused on remaining local, so
probably just kind of asubsidiary of that.
But it's still located rightdown the road from the original
Kona Brewery and Brew Pub.
The new brewery has an annualcapacity of 100,000 barrels and
includes a canning line.

(18:10):
This 30,000 square foot breweryis one of the most sustainable
breweries in the world.
We're going to talk a littlebit about that.
But they generate their ownsolar energy and store solar
energy there.
They also recover CO2 from itsfermentation process to be able
to use with the production andthey recover and purify water
for cleaning and irrigation.

(18:30):
So a lot of sustainabilityefforts with that.
They've also made huge stridesin the local community through
their Makana Giving Program.
Community initiative providessupport for local nonprofits
that align with Kona Brewing'sHawaii pillars to protect our
environment and enrich thequality of life for all.
Previous support has gone tothe Eddie Icao Foundation and

(18:55):
the Waipia Foundation for SurfRider and Hawaii Chapters.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, that sounds interesting.
I feel like the quality of mylife has improved every time I
take a drink.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Absolutely, I completely agree.
So I'm doing my best with thepronunciation.
I'm usually pretty good withpronunciation, but some of the
Hawaiian names are a little morechallenging.
That's why you do the reading,Because there's a lot of
punctuation that I've never seenbefore.
So trying to kind of make itwork.

(19:28):
So the year-round beers are theLongbourn Lager, the Golden Ale
, the Big Wave, the GoldcliffeIPA and the Island IPA.
These are the four that we havein our mix pack here.
Other ones that they have foryear-round beers Castaway IPA,
Fire Rock Pale Ale and EconaLight Blonde Ale, Castaway huh.
So they have a couple ofdifferent.

(19:49):
Wilson, that was a good movie.
What?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
if he had a Kona.
He should have had a Kona onthat island.
He should have.
He probably would have enjoyedone.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Might have been a couple of them on the ship, on
the plane.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
That was a super long movie.
Actually, it was a super longmovie.
Actually, it was a very longmovie.
Tom Hanks is a super good actor, though he's one of the best.
And then Denzel Washington, Ithink, or neck and neck, for
probably my favorite yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Dude speaking of Denzel.
Apparently I have heard thatthe new gladiator movie Watched
it yesterday.
Garbage.
That's what I've heard.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I haven so I would disagree.
Fair enough, fair enough.
I thought the new Gladiatormovie was pretty awesome.
I was kind of surprised whenthey made a second one, the way
the first one ended.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I mean Russell Crowe.
There's nowhere to go with it.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Russell Crowe is a good actor too, and he I don't
know dies in the first one.
Spoiler alert if you've neverwatched the first one, Sorry,
apologize.
So Denzel washington, I think,did a good job in this one.
It was weird to see him in thattype of role, but I think he
did a good job with that.
I thought the movie was great.
I think the way they expandedon the story was great and I

(20:58):
don't really want to tell youwhat happens in that movie but
yeah and I don't I would.
yeah, I wouldn't want you tosurprised at what happened, but
I would definitely recommend yougo watch it, that's for sure.
Anybody out there go watch themovie, for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Right Well, and I feel like I still want to at
some point, but they weretalking about it on the radio
and it wasn't exactly glowingreviews on that one.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's weird because it was very much like the first
one.
Of course, the storyline istaking a turn because Russell
Corral, maximus, obviouslypasses away in the first one and
the main gladiator of thesecond one which I will say that
at least to not give anythingaway is Maximus Marilius' son as

(21:42):
the new gladiator, and DenzelWashington coaches him Right To
fight in the arena.
Hmm, interesting, but I'llleave it at that.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I'll have to check that out at some point.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
It's definitely worth a watch, hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
The other part that I was going to mention with that
is the Equalizer, which is a bigmovie franchise, the three
movies that he had.
Apparently, they have haddiscussions and they feel like
there's room for growth evenwith that character and they've
now signed on for potentiallytwo more movies there.
Oh, cool, which I always.
I mean.
The first one was I mean, youwant to talk about badass Like
that?
First one was pretty epic Superbadass.

(22:22):
I have not seen the third oneyet, but I've seen clips of the
third one, which looked sweet.
Second one was pretty good butit felt like it kind of drifted
a little bit off with this stormsituation.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Now the third one.
I've seen all three, but Idon't remember which is which.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Wasn't he in Italy, or something?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, yeah, I saw the third one, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
It was awesome yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
It looked like it'd be sweet.
Yeah, I don't know I mean it'spretty fun.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Almost anything with Denzel Washington is awesome,
right Almost.
He's got a couple of bad movies.
You're like, really Like youdid that, okay, whatever, but
it's still Denzel yeahabsolutely so.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah so, denzel, and yeah, I do also agree, on the
other side of things, that TomHanks is quite amazing as well.
He does a good job, yeah, andin so many different,
wide-ranging roles too.
A lot of them are kind ofsimilar, but he does various
different things all over theplace.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Sure does Big Remember Big Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yep Big was great.
What a great movie.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
He's dancing on the keyboard in the toy store
jamming out.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Saving Private Ryan is probably one of my favorite
all-time movies that was awesome, forrest Gump.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Forrest was awesome.
Forrest gump forrest gump isone of my favorite all-time
movies saving private ryan's upthere for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, some good movies out there.
But yeah, tom hanks did notfind any kona or uh, bush light.
He didn't find any of that,neither did wilson I was trying
to remember how did we get here,what?
What were we talking aboutagain?
Okay, it's fine, we just, youknow, tootle off into the.
I had this conversation withsomebody just the other night,
or whatever we were talkingabout, it's fine, it's Tangent

(23:54):
Tuesday on a Monday, you know,it's just, that's just what
happens.
We talk about whatever and justthe conversation.
We'll get in there, but that'sright.
She actually thought that wasfunny, she enjoys the episode
and thought that it was prettygood.
So hello to Angie on that one.
So just kind of fun to chatabout that.
Hi, Angie.
So she's going to get us set upwith some Colorado beer.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh perfect.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
So I believe, if I remember correctly, you can feel
free to shoot me a message andyell at me afterwards when I get
it wrong, but I believeColorado Springs-ish area.
Okay, but I know that theDenver area is kind of a pretty
hotbed for brewing and Colorado.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Springs.
So local beer to that area,mm-hmm, because what have we
done from there?
We've done Breckenridge.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And what Fat Tire Isn't that from out there.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, we've done those New Belgium.
Yeah, new.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Belgium, yep.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, so a couple of them from that area, but we're
going to get some additionaloptions, that's for sure.
So I'm definitely lookingforward to that.
Ship them on over, angie, thatwill be upcoming for sure.
So back to the story of Konahere, as we take another drink

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of the Gold Cliff IPA.
So much talking.
I got to make sure I keep mythroat moist and ready to go.
Keep it going.
So there's a couple of beersthat they only do on the island
Island Colada Wheat Ale, the myTime Wheat Ale and the Hibiscus
Brut IPA.
So a couple of differentoptions Went down, kind of cool.

(25:24):
So here's where some of thecontroversy starts to come into
play.
In 2012, kona Brewing Companyproduced 220,000 US barrels of
its beer from Kona Brewing andits other production facilities
on the mainland.
That's what I was talking aboutthe other production facilities
on the mainland.

(25:44):
That's where things startgetting a little bit mucky and
getting a little bit weird.
As far as where it's from, it'sstill headquartered on the
Island, but you know, it's kindof like it's less of a big thing
If you're.
You know, like lining Kugel'swe talked about this before that
you know like it's based inChippewa Falls, wisconsin, but
primarily it's produced byAnheuser-Busch or by a Miller
Coors, and so it's usuallymostly made in Milwaukee.

(26:07):
There's really very littlethat's made at that location.
Of course they're now closingit down.
I think they're still going todo the tours, though that's what
I just heard.
I'd have to double check, but Ithink they're still going to do
the tours, so not likeeverybody's just losing their
jobs.
They're not going to make anymore beer there, which they
haven't really been making a lotfor a long time Not too much,
sir.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
We'll have to dig into that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So that's one of those things, because to be able
to up-produce you either haveto build bigger facilities or be
able to contract with somebodythat can do that.
And that's what a lot ofsmaller breweries if they want
to get bigger, they'll justcontract with somebody else.
That way they can kind of keeptheir small brewery feel and
their tap room and things likethat.
You see that with a lot ofdifferent breweries and it's
usually not that big a dealbecause, like the Linen Kugel's
one, it's only a couple hoursdown the road, still in

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Wisconsin.
Yes, it's on a massive scaleand a completely different thing
, but you can still go to thething.
This one's a little differentbecause it's not like it's well,
it's just on one of the otherislands, it's on the mainland,
it's.
Oh, how do you have anauthentic Hawaiian feel when
you're being bottled inWashington?
That's where some of theirproduction facilities are.

(27:15):
They have agreed with WidmerBrothers in Portland, oregon,
which Widmer is pretty good,that's a pretty solid brewery as
well.
Then Red Hook Brewery in bothWoodinville, washington, and
Portsmouth, new Hampshire, somultiple different locations
that they brew on the mainlandto be able to get up to that
production Because, if youremember, they have the new

(27:35):
facility that produces up to100,000 barrels.
So that's how they get to the220,000 barrels, because they
were able to distribute a littlebit wider, because they could
make a little bit more.
But you can't just do ityourself unless you build up
quite a bit more.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
They've got a facility on each side of the
country Washington and NewHampshire which is brilliant.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, and since those are also subsidiaries of the
Craft Brew Alliance, they werealso granted access to the
Anheuser-Busch distributionnetwork, which that's a little
far reaching.
So that's probably a reason whywe see big wave almost
everywhere.
Sure so, but that's how they'reable to get you know.
Through a lot of places likethat.
They have some of the mosttechnologically sophisticated

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distributor system in thecountry, with computer terminal
and thousands of independentlyowned distributors and its own
network of wholly owneddistribution branches.
That's the Anheuser-Buschdistribution network, which is
no surprise really at all,knowing that.
So recipe and beerspecifications are dictated by
Kona Brewing Company'sbrewmaster, but again, made all

(28:41):
over the country.
And I do mean the countrybecause it does include Hawaii,
obviously all over the country,and I do mean the country
because it does include Hawaiiobviously.
So it is in different locations.
Beer brewed at Kona Company'sbrewing partners utilize Kona's
hops, malt and proprietary yeastin order to be able to create
that consistent taste.
So they are doing everythingthey can to still make it legit.

(29:05):
I guess, if that makes sense,you know again it's.
This is a lot less of a bigdeal if, instead of in Portland
Oregon, if this brewery was Idon't even know what else is,
you know like Eugene Oregon, youknow what I mean and they just
are, you know, made an agreementthere to be able to produce it
there.
Right, but when you talk aboutthe island feel, I think that's

(29:32):
where you kind of get yourselfinto some hot water.
So water is a huge thing too,because, as we all know, without
good water you're not going toget good beer.
You have to have good waterthat tastes a certain way.
There are so many breweriesthat have adjusted what they're
doing and how they make theirbeer just based on water.
Surly when they built their newtap room had to spend a lot of
time doing water samples to makesure they were in the same
water table as where they werein their previous one before

(29:52):
they built a new one.
There is a brewery that I hadbeen to called Ancro Lab,
a-n-k-r-o Lab in Florida, kindof, I believe, by Naples, if I
remember correctly.
I'd have to double check.
Actually got talking with theowner a couple of years ago.
It was kind of funny.
So AncroLab, what do yousuppose that stands for?

(30:12):
Well, nothing at all whatsoever.
He said that he tried to submita million different names and
they kept getting rejected, andso he's finally like okay, well,
a-n-k those are my initials andthen R-O for reverse osmosis
how we make the water and I'mlike perfect, brilliant, that
totally works.
So what he does is he doesreverse osmosis and strips the
water basically down to nothing.
It's essentially just distilledwater with less taste, which I

(30:36):
don't know how you do that, butyou know same concept.
So it's basically stripped down, but then he adds stuff in to
make it taste like certainthings.
So he actually found a beer inJapan that he really liked and
so he got a sample of like thewater that they use and he
creates it now in Florida.
Oh, cool, but it tastes exactlythe same because he's able to
recreate the water.
Sure, so the water has becomekind of a big thing in brewing

(30:57):
too, you know what I mean.
Not just throwing a well downand trying to source water that
way, right.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
But actually stripping it down and getting it
to a certain level.
So you know, and just to backit up a little bit, because I
just had a thought here, peoplekind of got kona and a little
bit of hot water, kind ofclaiming it's brewed on the
island but kind of not.
You know, kind of that.
It's a beer from hawaii per se,but it's pretty much
manufactured in oregon and newhampshire.
You know, do you suppose theydo that just for distribution
purposes, and how much cheaperit probably is to build a

(31:31):
brewery in the Continental 48and distribute it through the 48
?
If you built a brewery andbrewed everything in Hawaii and
had to ship it to the 48 everytime, the cost of that would be
enormous.
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
So I wonder if that went intotheir decision-making of
building it in the continental48, just for distribute, to

(31:53):
distribute and get it out there.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I don't know how much the cost would be, but I would
have to.
I would have to agree, becauseif you, unless you're shipping a
full container ship worth ofbeer across like and it's not,
it's like a 70, I mean of course, cruise ship wise or whatever
like it's a five, six, seven daytrip, it sure is ship like yeah
it's a six hour flight, youknow, from los angeles.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
When I flew from los angeles to hawaii it was six
hours, maybe six and a halfsomewhere, I don't remember
exactly.
But when you get there, whenyou're shopping, like for a
gallon of milk there was six,seven bucks, and that was seven
years ago.
Can you imagine if they had toship beer from hawaii to the us?
They're gonna have to eat thecost somewhere or jack up the
cost of the beer.
And well, if you're paying 10bucks for a beer, a single beer,

(32:37):
people aren't gonna do thatlike a tap room or a bar.
Or if you have to go buy a caseof beer from, you know, the
liquor store, what's the averagecase is what?
$12, $18 roughly.
Well, if they're shipping it upthere, who's going to pay $30,
$40 for a case of beer?
Right?
So, maybe that was part of theirstrategy and the reason as to
why they have those facilitieshere.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And I'm sure that's probably why they probably
looked at the numbers andthey're just, you know, like if
you're shipping I mean I'm notsaying it's going to be in a
full container ship full becausethere's a lot of stuff you can
get on a container but if you'regoing to put what four full
containers worth of beer I don'teven know what, what size
container you would need to haveto be able to distribute
nationwide that much.
But we'll say, if you maybe 10containers beer, that's got to

(33:23):
be millions of dollars in justin shipping costs right there
for one trip, right?
So if you put instead a milliondollars towards building a
facility on the mainland, nowyou're already there.
You know what I mean.
You're still making the samestuff you're making, but I feel
like maybe that's a cost benefit, more cost effective kind of
deal you would think so that'swhat I'm going with.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I'm going with.
That's why they built it on themainland and not on the islands
.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I agree, yep, so some of the Hawaiian roots that they
talk about.
They have 250 employees workingon the big islands, or the
random islands, in breweryrestaurants and corporate
offices, stuff.
That's kind of interesting.
The rift zone indigenous redale, which is something that I

(34:08):
would definitely have to look upwhen I go to hawaii at some
point in time, is brewed withyeast cultivated and found only
on the volcano rifts on the bigisland.
Hmm, so that sounds interesting.
Kind of a fun little, funlittle deal with that pipeline.
Porter is brewed with 100 konacoffee from their neighbor on
the big Island, cornwell Estate.
The ginger in their Big Islandginger beer is cultivated in

(34:31):
Kona.
The lemongrass on thelemongrass ginger luau is grown
on site at the employees' houses.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Cool, that's some interesting stuff there, a lot
of different things with that.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Cacao nibs for specialty beers are sourced from
the original Hawaiian ChocolateFactory and many, many, many,
many more things.
So in 2009, Kona was rankednumber 14 in all sales of craft
brewers in the US 14.
That seems really high.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
That was higher than I was expecting, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
This is according to the brewers association.
Cones beers are available inthe united states in 25 states
and the district of columbia.
I feel like it's maybe widernow, but this might have been
just in 2009.
So longboard island lager, bigwave golden ale and fire rock
pale ale available all year.
Wayalua pale ale and fire rockpale ale available all year.
Wailua pale ale and pipelineporter.

(35:27):
Limited reduces of the Alohaseries available for six months
in bars and grocery stores andspecialty beer shops, the wheat
ale available from March throughAugust and the pipeline porter
from September through February.
Then they also announcedanother Aloha series beer, cocoa
brown ale, available to theWest Coast in February 2011.

(35:48):
Some details here about thecaps and the labeling, the
collectible caps.
I guess these caps arecollectible.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
They look like caps to me.
Oh, we threw them down.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
So it's a thing, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
They're collectible.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And then the crater in the background is a diamond
head, and then the label showssurfers, backed on Hawaii's
volcanic mountains, ride bluewaves toward Broad and Sandy
Beach.
So the logo itself echoestribal tattoo, according to
local vibe with his Brutuscampaign, with David Bell and

(36:24):
Brutus LaBenz who play friends,making observations to
mainlanders while discussingKona beers, which I feel like
I've seen some of thosecommercials, if I remember
correctly.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't know if I have, but Diamond Head is
familiar because my daughter andI went hiking and we climbed
Diamond Head Crater on Oahu.
So that was kind of fun.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
So some of their sustainability.
We talked a little bit aboutthis before, but they support
numerous community eventsthroughout the year, including
surf and surf-inspired eventsthat celebrate Hawaiian people,
land and water.
They include sponsoringprofessional surfers Jeff Silva
and CJ Kanua.
They also support the SierraClub's Blue Water Campaign, a

(37:06):
number of chapters of theSurfrider Foundation, including
the Pacific Northwest andHawaii's Surfrider Kona Kai'ia
chapter.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Just had to get a little taste there.
It's getting a little dry again.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
It sounded like a tongue twister.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, you know, it's been known to happen.
They also brings the Snow KonaPond skim to Mount Hood Meadows
in Oregon, where each spring,costumed skiers and snowboarders
skim across an icy pond.
They're able to compete for anumber of prizes, among them a
trip to Hawaii.
That's kind of a fun thing tobe able to do.

(37:42):
Kona Brewing is also thesponsor of the Portland's
Backyard Bang, a snowboardingrail jam event on the streets of
Portland's Pearl District andthe Art Institute of Portland.
So a lot going on, huh.
They also supported a 15-cityNorth American tour for the Lost
Prophets, a band that I thinkthey only had one big song that

(38:06):
I can think of.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, I think there's just one.
I recall the name and I knowI've listened to them and I know
I have some of that downloadedon my computer.
But heck, if I can, it escapesme right now I can picture the
song.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I got it rolling in my head, but I just can't get
there to the title of it.
I feel like it's somethingabout a train, but I don't know.
I don't know that I'll getthere.
Kona had a sustainabilitycoordinator as of 2008.
And according to Big Island'sVisitor Bureau, sustainable
Tourism Practices Section,kona's restaurant was

(38:41):
constructed with recycledmaterials and adorned with
native woods, local produce,fresh caught fish and
sustainably raised beef on theirmenu.
Heat reclamation processes inthe brewery greatly reduce
energy demand.
Plastic, paper, metal, glassand cardboard are recycled.
Takeout containers are made ofplant-based materials, and
automatic faucets and toiletsreduce water usage.

(39:03):
So a lot going on there.
With that.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
The last train home.
There we go, lost profits.
The last train home you'll knowit.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
If you hear it, if I heard it, we'll play it.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
We'll have the, the.
The tech guy will drop this inhere right now and play it
through this little interludewhile I take a drink of beer.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, as long as they don't sue us or send us a cease
and desist letter, we'll seewhat we can do.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, we'll stay at standard.
What is it?
Three seconds or something likethat, I think.
So I don't know whatever it is.
So now we've reached thecontroversial section here we go
.
In March of 2017, kona BrewingCompany faced a class action
lawsuit.
Class action, that meanseverybody's jumping in the pool.
On this one, the claim waswhether its beer was actually

(39:54):
being brewed in Hawaii or not.
I feel like this is, to acertain extent, this is why it
says those different locationson the label.
I feel like that's part of whatit is.
I'll read through this andwe'll make our own decisions
based on what it comes out withhere.
I feel like it's when the majorchip companies sued Pringles
because they're not potato chipsPotato chips.

(40:15):
If you ever look at that thingat Pringles, it says potato
crisps because they're cooked adifferent way, or something like
that.
You get super petty and thenpeople just make slight
adjustments and it's fine.
So I feel like it's kind ofthat same kind of bit.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
And Pringles are kind of fake too.
They're not like real potatoesand all that mumbo jumbo either.
I saw a documentary about that.
They're pretty fake as they get.
They're cancer chips, basically.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I'll take it, though.
I love Pringles, just a regularstandard Pringles.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Give me a whole tube of those things I like, the salt
and vinegar ones and the dillpickle ones, man.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Pringles are legit, Even if they are fake.
I like fake things too.
I can make real things and fakethings, it's fine.
In September of 2020 2020 thecase was settled and appeals
were resolved.
It doesn't really go into likethe details of what it is, but
this is.
This is the funny part here, soit doesn't give me a full total

(41:11):
here.
You're gonna enjoy this.
Purchasers of Kona beer betweenFebruary 28th 2013 and June
14th 2019 were compensated up to$20 each with receipts Wow, or
$10 each without receipts.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
So we could have just signed on and got a $10 bill.
Apparently, where were we at?
I know?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I must have tried some Kona at some point in time
during that.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
We could have put that towards another case of
beer.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh my God, I probably tried it when I had the bar, so
I probably had it.
I probably don't have thereceipt for it, though.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
The fact that people sue for this stuff is getting
out of control.
It's been out of control forprobably 10 years now, but I
mean really it just doesn't stop.
Really Like who cares whereit's brewed?
I mean, if they're activelyadvertising, oh, we brew this in
Hawaii, this is homegrown.
Okay, maybe you know falseadvertising, change your
advertising.
But really Like, yeah, butpeople just sitting around

(42:15):
looking at companies just forthings to sue them over.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Oh yeah.
Well, I'm not saying that theydon't have money and I'm not
saying that businesses don'tgenerally make money, but so
many businesses, they have this.
Everybody has this viewpoint oflike, oh, they're a business
owner, they have insurance andall sorts of stuff to be able to
pay for that.
Well, not necessarily.
And even if they have insurance, if it means they're paying out
a big claim, their insurance isgoing to get jacked up or get
revoked.
Right, you know what I mean?
Like that's how some bars endup shutting down because they

(42:44):
can't get insurance.
I'm not saying that it's okay,but depending on what's going on
or whatever, like, yes, holdpeople accountable, hold people
in check, but sometimes it'slike, okay, you're suing to sue
because you think that they havemoney, but it may just be a dry
hole.
You know what I mean?
Like they've invested all oftheir money back into what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And especially these class action lawsuits where
you're going to get a whole tendollars yeah, that's really
worth it, you know ten dollars.
Or if you have your receipt,you're getting a twenty dollar
bill.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So with that, only their beer served on tap in
their Hawaiian locations arebrewed in Hawaii.
All other beer produced by Konaare produced at Craft Brew
Alliance facilities in NewHampshire, oregon, tennessee and
Washington.
As a result of the settlement,all Kona beer had to include a
label as to where it wasproduced.

(43:33):
So, like I said, that is whyyou look on the side of this in
Portland or Portsmouth.
So that's the story on that.
Perfect.
It's a little ridiculous to me,but you know you got to sue for
something, right.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, I think it's a little out of control.
That's a good song byHoobastank.
It is?
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I know that one I do, like me some Hoobastank I do.
But I think the last time Iseen Hoobie Stank live was at
the Metrodome with Linkin Park.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
It didn't really last very long.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
With Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit, if I remember
correctly.
Oh yeah, it was quite the.
It was the first show or firsttour, at least, after it was the
Linkin Park guitarist that leftWest Borland after he had left
Limp Bizkit.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, not Linkin Park .

Speaker 1 (44:20):
No, no, no, sorry.
Yeah, limp Bizkit.
Yeah, west Borland, after hehad left and they replaced him
with.
I don't even know who the otherguy was, nobody knows.
Yeah, they were fine and Idon't know the band, just they
became what they are today.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, West Borland's been back for a long time.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, peaked and kind of went back into.
They went back to jacksonvillethey're pretty popular now.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Again, though.
Yeah, come out with a new albumsoon.
They're on tour.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
It's looking pretty good, bring back the 90s, baby.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah vanilla ice does on the I love the 90s tour.
Right, I saw huba stank.
It was my first concert ever.
It was story of the year.
Huba stank, pod and lincolnpark, nice, at target center.
That's POD.
And Lincoln Park, nice, atTarget Center that's where that
was.
That'd be a sweet show.
That was a good time,absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, that's kind of the story of the Kona Brewing
that I got Anything else youwant to kind of talk about?
I got a couple of ideas kind ofrattling around in my head too.
Spit them out.
Well, I was just going to kindof touch on kind of the there is
.
There is a little bit ofcontroversy, timely wise, this
is the episode is going to comeout, probably a couple of weeks
from now.
So you know this is going to beI don't know old news, this

(45:28):
thing or whatever.
But there's the controversy nowof we could get into the whole
discussion of how it was handledafterwards, but the college
players or teams football teamsespecially now want to plant the
flag in the center of the fieldif they get a big upset.

(45:49):
We've seen this years ago.
Baker Meafield, I think, didthis when he was in Oklahoma.
He did yeah, and that didn't goover real well.
We've seen it, I think, twiceover this last weekend, was it?
I think Florida beat FloridaState or something.
There was some upset there.
Michigan had big upset overOhio State.
Ohio State, yeah.
That one got to the point wherelike cops are like bear mason
people trying to be able to getthe melee to calm down and

(46:12):
whatever.
And this is going to go,contrasting to what generally,
I'm like don't do that, youalready won.
Like yes't you like, yes, youshould have tried harder to be
able to win, or whatever, andthen they can't do it.
But, generally speaking, mymindset is that don't do that,
like that's just showing off orthat's being whatever.
But this is one of those fewthings that, for whatever reason

(46:34):
, I'm like no, yes, it'scontroversial, it's absolutely
controversial and you shouldn'tdo that.
But you know what?
Win the game at home.
If you lose that game, youdon't get to go out there and
fight the guys now because theybeat you.
You should have been fightingduring the game, not fighting,
but you know what I mean.
Like battling and playingharder, playing hard.
Yeah, oh, the disrespectiveness.
Like you disrespected yourselfby losing at home.

(46:57):
Sorry about it, bro.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Disrespecting yourself and losing at home.
Sorry about it, bro.
Yeah, I agree with you 100%.
I really don't know thiscontroversy because I haven't
really.
Apparently, I'm under adifferent rock.
So I briefly saw something anarticle or a clipping or a
headline that Baker Mayfield wastalking about it.
So maybe it was a clip on thesocial media, but I just didn't

(47:19):
really listen and was scrollingthrough like everybody else.
And the flag planting, thatdoesn't bother me one bit If you
win a big game.
The Michigan-Ohio State, theywant to plant their M on the
center of the Ohio State field.
Why not?
It's no different to me fromall those battles that different
schools have.
We'll just take the Gophers,for instance, the battle axe.

(47:42):
They grab the axe, they'rewaving it around the center
field.
We play Penn State for the bellright, we play Iowa for the pig
.
All those different collegesthat square off for those
trophies that they pass back andforth just between the two
teams of tradition.
What's the big deal of putting aflag in front too?

(48:02):
You know, I don't see a problemwith it.
You know, if you'redisrespecting the stadium or
defacing the stadium or doingsome crazy acts like that, I'd
have a problem with that.
But if you just go out to themidfield and you're waving your
school's flag because you won,so what?
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
From that standpoint, what's funny is you don't see a
lot of big fights and meleeswhen there's a big upset and a
team storms the field and theytear down the goal posts right
like that's not a cheap thing toreplace, no, and now a school
has to pony up the money that'slikely going to come out of the
budget for the school orwhatever.
I'm sure they'd make it upsomehow or file an insurance
claim or whatever.
But at the same time, likethat's one of those things, like

(48:43):
you said, is actually defacing,essentially defacing a stadium.
Was it Gopher fans that did itwhen they like I don't remember
they pulled off some upset orwhatever they actually like,
they somehow got part of it outof the Metronome, they tore it

(49:05):
down and they ran it up thestands and they got it out the
door, okay, so I don't, I don'trecall that, what I thought.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I don't remember if it was gopher fans, but earlier
this year in college football Idon't know if it was vanderbilt
or somebody they lost in theirhome stadium and the visiting
team who it escapes me at thiscurrent moment tore down the
goalpost, like you said, and itended up carried like three or
four miles away and they threwit in the river that was down
the road, like that's a problem.
I mean that's funny.
I mean I think that's funny,but come on, now that's a bit

(49:29):
much.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
But you don't see like a fight or a melee or you
know like a lot of stuff withthat, but like planting of.
You know, like it's a symbolicgesture.
You're not creating actualdamage and it's like if you
still have enough fire in you tofight somebody after a game.
Clearly you left something onthe field, right, agreed, and
maybe it was your pride thatthey're putting that stake right

(49:51):
through.
But you know what?
And if you don't like it, youshould have played better during
the game.
Right, you lost that game.
Your job now is to sit there onthe sidelines.
That's why I always have greatappreciation for like,
especially like championshipgames, big games, things like
that or whatever, when they comeout with the trophy
presentation.
But you see, like the onelonely guy that's like, no, I'm
going to sit my ass right hereand I'm going to watch that and

(50:13):
I'm going to make sure that ithurts so that I don't experience
that again.
You know what I mean.
Like that, I have a lot ofrespect for that Like, not that
like getting a championship, butlike if it's, let's say, you
win a title on somebody else'scourt, you're still getting the
trophy and you're having thisbig display, right?
Is that not kind of the samething.
It is the same thing in my eyes.
I mean it's, but insteadthere's ticker tape and TV and

(50:35):
everything's involved.
It's kind of the same kind ofbit.
It's just you know, sit thereyour job, you lost the game you
did.
And, yes, there's a level whereyou know like you shouldn't go
like uptown and, like you know,steal their women and pee on
their cars or something I don'tknow.
But at the same time, likethere's a certain level of like
of all the things that aredisrespectful, I feel like

(50:57):
that's pretty low on the list.
If you have that much pridethat you won't let somebody do
that, then you have to playbetter during the game.
That is your punishment forlosing the game.
Like you said, they're notdefacing things, they're not
ruining things.
It's not like they went outthere with bleach and made a big
M in the middle or somethinglike that, that they're going to
have to have that for monthsand years or whatever in the

(51:21):
field.
It's a symbolic gesture that'sgoing to go away in about 15
minutes.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Right, and if you want to, you said symbolic
gesture.
You know what happens in likeyou could equate sports.
A lot of them have to battles.
You know you're battling on thefield or the court or the ice.
Well, what happens when thewinner wins the battle of a war
or a skirmish or whatever?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
they plant their flag on the fort or the hill or the
land, or it's one of the mostfamous pictures and the most
famous sculptures is themraising the flag.
You know, is that Iwo Jima?
Like it's one of the mostfamous things ever to be able to
do that.
So that's what, that's what youI mean.
Yeah, if you're going to, ascommentators, make that

(52:04):
reference, that's what's goingto happen there, you go Right
now.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
obviously battling in football is not battling in a
real war, but in the, in afigurative sense.
You know you're battling on thefield for the victory of the
day.
So if you want to plant yourflag there, fine, for a couple
of photo ops, whatever.
And if you're the, the hometeam and you lost and you don't
like it, we'll go beat their assnext year on their field and

(52:29):
plant your flag in front of ontheir logo.
Yeah, you know like what's theproblem?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, Well, and that's, and that's why I think
it's a little bit funny thatlike no-transcript, but at the
same time it's like stop him,Shut him down.

(52:54):
I mean, it's easier said thandone.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Don't get me wrong, I get it, but that's your penance
for not being able to stop it.
Yep, I agree.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
100 so I don't know, I just thought that was kind of
interesting a little bit.
But I guess the michigan, ohiostate one.
It got so bad and so manypeople on there and everybody
was like started to fight and itbecame kind of a brawl.
Cops had to come out there andseparate everybody and they were
like macing people to get themto back off and stuff like that.
Wow, it got almost riotous outthere on the field.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I didn't even know I watched that game.
I watched it, but I turned itoff right after I left the house
, or something.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I don't know what I did.
You missed the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I haven't even paid attention all week because, you
know, working third shift, I hadno clue that this was some big
deal or some big melee at OhioState.
You know, it was crazy.
That's what the game was.
It was at Ohio.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
State.
Yeah, it was at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
It was a 22 point.
Like 22 and a half was the linethat Ohio State was favored by,
and then Michigan won.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
That's too bad, yeah, I can't stand either team.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I don't know.
You could have just implodedthe stadium at that point.
It would have been fine with me, but yeah, that was just kind
of I don't know.
That was the thing that I hadkind of rattling around in my
head, so I don't know if you hadanything additional, but that
was about all I had.
No, I don't All right.
Well, that's kind of ourepisode then of the Kona.
We didn't even give any ratings.

(54:19):
Let's hear it Lawnmower, thisis pretty smooth drinking
Probably a couple of them on thelawnmower.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Two, three, two and a half.
I'll go two and a half.
Yeah, I'd prefer this more at afire.
I'd say three and a half on thefire scale because it is an IPA
, so it's a little bitbitter-ish, but not because this
is an interesting tasting beer,the Gold Cliff IPA, the
pineapple flavor.
It might be better sitting inthe fire, but I would drink two

(54:47):
and a half of them after mowingthe lawn, for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
It's definitely.
Yeah, the pineapple adds kindof that refreshing flavor to it.
It does, For sure, it sure does.
So, yeah, go out and getyourself some Kona, wherever
it's brewed at, or whatevercontroversial location that they
reproduce the exact same thingat.
So, but I don't know, I stillcall it a Hawaiian thing because
that's where they came up withit and that's what it's going to

(55:11):
be and that's where theirflavors are from, Even if they
ship them to somewhere else.
To put it together, it's, youknow, imported cars are made
somewhere else and domestic carsare parts from somewhere else
made.
Pretty much, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
It's fine, you know, now that you brought this up,
okay, uh-oh.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
We've opened a can of worms.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Let's open this one here.
We're going to try this and weprobably won't talk about this
one too much.
We're going to at least take asip of this one.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
We'll much we're at least take a sip of this one.
Well, let andy pronounce whatthe hell it is, because we all
know I don't talk and enunciateor pronounce shit.
Right?
So it's a hanalei island ipa.
All right ale brewed withpassion fruit, orange and guava,
with natural flavors added,which, if you have to add them,
are they natural flavors?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
then, at that point in time, I don't know, but it
tastes like passion, oh itsounds like you're gonna to be
passionate about something here.
I'll be somewhat passionatehere.
So you brought up car parts andthis and that Kind of saved my
collectible bottle cap here.
Yes, well, you kind of bent it,though.
Ah, dang it.
So I don't know if it's worthanything anymore.
So the car manufacturer thatbuilds the majority of their car

(56:18):
parts and assembles it in theunited states, what company do
you think that is kia, toyota,okay, how is that?
For fun, you know all americans, oh, buy american made.
Well, then you better buy afucking toyota, because that's
the number one car that'sassembled, processed, built
everything here, everything here, parts, everything United

(56:41):
States.
Down on the list, nissan's,even higher.
I don't know about Kia.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I was making something.
I was just trying to think of away to get the idea, but like
GM and Ford, you know all the-.
They've outsourced so much.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Canada and Mexico is where most everything's built,
sourced and built.
So if you buy a gm or a fourvehicle, no, you're not buying
an american-made vehicle.
If you want to buy anamerican-made vehicle, you buy a
toyota, yeah american designed.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Maybe that might be kind of about it yeah, maybe if
that.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, that's kind of sad, you know, kind of sad that
that's the way it is, but I readthat I don't know handful years
ago, so that's kind of mylittle take on that, so I don't
need to get too far in it.
But you brought up the car.
So if you want to buy anAmerican-made vehicle, buy a
Toyota.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Well, and it's funny, maybe we should get a
class-action lawsuit for thecommercials that say the
best-selling American-made truckof all time.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
That's the F-150.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I don't know, it's like 40 years and running
Something like that.
At least that's what theiradvertising always says.
So their advertising is fakeadvertising, false, false.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
We should dig in.
Hey, you want to dig into that?
Leave a comment.
We'll all join a class actionlawsuit.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Exactly, ford, here we come.
I didn't keep my receipts, soI'm only going to get $10 out of
the deal, but it's fine, right,we're going to get some
high-priced lawyer that's goingto take all of the money for the
class action lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Well, hopefully they'll do it pro bono.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Because we're not making any money.
Well, we could trade them,these collectible caps there we
go.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, maybe if I can figure out top off without
getting bent.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
You better talk to your wife about this.
So on that note.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You know we made it all the way through to the end
of an episode.
It's fine, it's fine.
This stuff is pretty good,though this the Hunnally not
quite as easy drinking as theGold Coast, but it's still
pretty.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Not super heavy ipa, but uh, still pretty good though
yeah, I don't like it, that'sall I have to say.
It's it's not very passiony,it's not very fruity.
I don't like passion fruit.
How about that?
I don't know what passion fruitis.
But there you go.
Pineapple beer is good.
The passion, the passion fruit,is not Less good.
That's all I got.

(59:01):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's his story.
He's sticking to it.
Folks, I don't have adescription on it.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I would drink it.
It's fine.
It's fine, it's fine.
But I don't.
Guava passion fruit.
Nah, that's not for me.
That would be a pretty goodseltzer.
Yeah, wouldn't be too bad.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
So, yeah, either way, go get yourself some Kona,
whatever flavor it is you wantto get, if you want to get the
same mix pack that we got.
There's four different kinds inthere the Longboard Lager, the
Big Wave, the Gold Coast IPA andthe Hanalei IPA all in there.
So probably one of the morecommon, I guess, mixed packs
that you'd get for Kona.

(59:42):
Otherwise you're mostly justgetting the big wave mostly.
But yeah, definitely go out andcheck it out and leave us your
reviews and tell us what youthink of that and tell us what
you think of the episode.
If you have any ideas aboutfuture episodes, definitely let
us know.
We had a couple of people shipus some beer.
We're happy to be able to dothe research on your behalf and

(01:00:09):
bring you an episode aboutwhatever it is that you want to
hear.
So happy to be able to do that.
I will say that coming up in afuture episode.
We can say it now because bythe time this episode will come
out, I think that we will haverecorded said episode.
Yes, we should.
So even though it sounds likewe're breaking news here, it
won't be broken until after.
But if you're watching thisepisode, any future episode

(01:00:31):
coming up in, probably releasedin between a month and six weeks
, regardless.
Check out Pete's Out BarbecueP-E-E-T-Z O--U-T Barbecue on
Instagram, different socialmedia.
He's now selling some of hisribs and different barbecue,

(01:00:51):
kind of individually packed andfrozen.
He's been able to kind of workon that and it's been kind of
fun to talk to him and see kindof the process.
Never see the process, but seehim go through the process of.
I'm not just going to like takeribs, toss them in a ziploc and
toss them in the freezer andhope they don't get freezer burn
by the time they get to you.

(01:01:12):
It was legitimately.
I'm not going to do this ifthey're going to suck coming out
of the bed because that's it's.
That's not what you know whathe wants to be able to do.
He's pretty, pretty intent onsome good quality.
So but Pete's out barbecue, getyourself some barbecue, because
we're going to do an episodewith Clint Pete's here coming up
with some of his barbecue.

(01:01:32):
He doesn't know this yet, butwe've already bought the
barbecue we're going to have onthe episode.
So we're going to have beer andbarbecue on the episode.
So definitely reach out and seeif you can get yourself
supplies.
I'm sure running low because II don't know how much he's made,
but I know that it was verypopular when he put it out there
with, you know, friends andfamily kind of locally.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So yeah, I know he had.
He posted on the pizza barbecueFacebook page.
He only had like four or fivespots left on his next cook.
And when you talk about himsmoking and cooking, he doesn't
just have a little peterbiltsmoker on his deck, he's got one
that you uh tow behind yourtruck like it's a legit smoker.
He he's an award-winning smoker.

(01:02:14):
He's won multiple awards thissummer.
Um he's no joke.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
So yeah, yeah he's a competition, barbecue is what he
does and it's amazing stuff andit looks incredible and I've
been wanting to spend some morequality time with his barbecue
and him, I guess.
But yeah, that'll be coming upon a future episode.
So, definitely, when you listento this episode, go directly to

(01:02:40):
Pizza Out Barbecue and find itwith you again, whether it's
Instagram, facebook.
Hopefully you'll be able tosecure yourself some some pizza
out, likely.
You know, we did talk to himabout what beer he wanted to
have and I think it's going tobe a pretty light beer that day.
He likes Bush Light.
It's going to be.
I don't think it's going to bea Bush Light episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
We're not doing Bush Light.
We'll have a lighter beer, butit won't be Bush Light.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, we'll get him a lighter lager beer, but we'll
talk about a different brewery,maybe something local or
something.
But nonetheless, definitely goto his information, be able to
hopefully secure yourself someand then eat along with us, as
we're going to try to get some,maybe those little finger

(01:03:21):
towelettes or whatever you knowbecause get a little barbecue
sauce.
Yes, you will.
Yeah, Make sure you get that.
You know I don't do a lot ofhair and makeup before,
obviously before episodes, soyou know we'll have a little bit
of that to be able to workthrough as well.
So but yeah, look forward tothat.
That'll be one of the firsttimes we've had a guest on the
episode and we're going to puthim right here in the middle,

(01:03:43):
maybe a little off center.
I don't want to see kind of theway that works out, so we're
kind of experimenting as we go,but I think it'll be fun to be
able to have another person onthe episode and be able to bring
you not only beer but somebarbecue.
Yep, because what goes goodwith barbecue?
Beer and what goes good withbeer Barbecue Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
See, it's all coming together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
So, yeah, but for now that's our story on this one
and, yeah, that's kind of whatwe got going on.
We appreciate you listening,Like, share, subscribe, tell
everybody about it and let usknow if you have any feedback on
the social media or YouTube,wherever you're checking out.
But until next time, it's abouttime to Hanalei.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Out of here, there we go.
Aloha, cheers, cheers.