September 7, 2025 • 45 mins
We are joined by Bryce and Palmer - a sexy couple with an unusual orgin story and how every step they make in the lifestyle is very deliberate.
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And we are just so very thankfulfor you continuing to come on
this journey with us as we talkabout the lifestyle, the highs
and lows and everything inbetween.
Elle (00:20):
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Tramp (00:21):
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Very true.
And today we are blessed to haveBryce and Palmer with us, and
I've known you guys, I want tosay it seems like forever.
Years life and lifestyle years.
Yes.
Half, four years.
Yeah.
They're a lifestyle forever.
They're like dog years.
(00:41):
So welcome guys.
Thank you.
And today you guys are makingyour debut per se.
Yeah.
And we're really interested tohear about your story and how
you guys came to be and some ofyour experiences because
everybody's journey is unique.
Palmer (01:00):
Yeah,
Bryce (01:00):
yeah, for sure.
I think
Elle (01:03):
welcome.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks.
We're excited.
Bryce (01:05):
Yeah.
Elle (01:07):
So tell us a little bit about how you got in the
lifestyle, how you guys gottogether.
Palmer (01:13):
I don't think our story's very common.
We were both married before andboth in the lifestyle before and
had met each other actually on acouple's date with our exes A
long time ago.
Yes.
And then.
Ended up divorced andreconnecting and it made for a
really easy it, I knew it wasn'tpart of my life.
(01:34):
I wanted to give up.
Yeah, same.
And so, yeah, it made for aneasy conversation to go back
into the lifestyle.
Tramp (01:42):
I'm gonna interject there just real quick.
We've had conversations El and Iabout.
Once the lifestyle's kind ofimprinted into your DNA Right.
You really can't imagine no.
Your life without it, even ifyou're not active, but the
friendships mm-hmm.
And the social group, therealness.
The realness, yeah.
Is a hundred percent just nextlevel.
(02:03):
And in fact, when you go outwith vanilla friends, it can
oftentimes be, this is kind ofboring, not so much
a drag.
Yeah.
Bryce (02:13):
Now, like when I go out, like I just was at a work
function and, so it was,basically a vanilla party, but
you're just like, oh, okay.
Can't I can't touch her back?
Right.
Switch into this gear real quickor I'm gonna get fired.
Elle (02:27):
Oh, I was talking to somebody last night and she was
saying they went to like alittle dive bar and she
complimented the bartender onher hair and she just looked at
her like.
It was the craziest thing in theworld that she would say
something to her like that.
Yeah.
And it's of like, oh, we're,we're, we're not doing that.
We we're not nice to people.
We don't compliment.
Wow.
Okay.
Bryce (02:47):
Yeah.
Which is one of the reasonsthat, the ranch is so great, is
because everybody can kind of bethemselves there and compliment
each other and make people feelgood and everybody.
Is that their best?
So,
Elle (02:58):
yeah.
Yeah.
People walk in just, it doesn'tmatter what they look like, how
they feel is really mm-hmm.
More important than anythingelse.
Yeah.
Wow.
You feel sexy, you feel like youlook good and I wanna support
that, and I want to, make youfeel good too.
Yeah.
Bryce (03:12):
And I think that that was one of the things when we
reconnected and came back, likeinto the lifestyle, we both.
Brought different aspects fromour previous experience.
Mm-hmm.
And we knew exactly what, notexactly, but we knew more of
what we didn't want to do.
Mm-hmm.
And not necessarily what thelifestyle could be.
(03:32):
Mm-hmm.
We knew that, like I loved,seeing her get dressed up and
going out.
So we loved, the ranch for thataspect.
Mm-hmm.
And then eventually just meetinga great group of friends.
And
Elle (03:43):
so, so you guys met on a couple's date with your other
spouses uhhuh, but you didn't.
Hmm.
This is gonna just be one ofthose questions.
Yeah.
You didn't like get together andthen the marriages disappeared.
No.
The marriages disappeared andthen you went, Hey, yes, I
remember you.
This was great.
(04:04):
I ran into
Bryce (04:05):
her at her job.
I
Palmer (04:07):
was bartending at the, a hotel near the airport and he
was traveling for work and so.
We're like, oh, we know eacheach other.
Hello.
So, yeah.
No, no, no.
For sure.
For me, my marriage was gonelong before.
Yeah,
Elle (04:24):
yeah.
Did, did the lifestyle haveanything to do with that or was
it just other things then thatjust happened to be
Palmer (04:31):
Ooh, ooh, that's a tough one.
A lot of other things, but Sure.
I think the lifestyle amplifiedit and just doing it.
Kind of all wrong, I think inmy, not that if anybody did it
the exact same way, it would bewrong for them.
It was wrong for me, so.
Right.
Yeah,
Tramp (04:47):
no, that's completely fair.
Bryce, something you saidearlier on is when you guys came
together.
You individually knew what youliked from the lifestyle and
what you didn't like.
Bryce (04:59):
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Tramp (04:59):
Yeah.
And that's amazing, being ableto meld those together.
And of course, I'm sure therewas give and take if you will.
Palmer (05:07):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (05:08):
But being able to bring that all together into one
cohesive unit and find mm-hmm.
Happiness.
Bryce (05:13):
Yeah.
When we got back into thelifestyle, we took things
extremely slow.
I remember that.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Very, very intentional.
Very.
We loved hanging out.
We, like I said, the ranch wasgreat just for the sexiness of
it and the fun of it.
But we knew that we didn't wantto just jump right in and
mm-hmm.
We kind of did things.
(05:34):
With purpose.
Palmer (05:35):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
And I think we still do.
Yeah.
Bryce (05:38):
Yeah.
And I mean, we also, coming fromit before we understood the
importance of communication.
So anytime anything wouldhappen, we would talk about it
and mm-hmm.
And so yeah, kind of figure itout.
And I think we, know
Palmer (05:49):
oh yeah,
Bryce (05:50):
where we're at, like,
Palmer (05:51):
and yeah.
And have learned how tocommunicate or if maybe we try
something and.
It went really well or don'treally wanna do that again.
Right.
It doesn't have to be anargument or a fight or it's just
a like, oh, let's you know, thatwas different's.
Yeah.
You can look at each other andsay, yeah, that was a shit show
and let's not do that again.
Exactly.
Tramp (06:08):
That too.
We have any
Bryce (06:10):
shit shows, but that's
Tramp (06:12):
good experiences.
Were like, uh, maybe not again.
Yeah.
No.
But l we seem to have, and Iknow we hammer on this,
seemingly every single episodethat comes up is.
The core of communication.
Elle (06:23):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes me smile.
I was waiting for it.
I was waiting for it just, andwe didn't
Tramp (06:27):
bring it up for once and we didn't.
Elle (06:28):
No, it's not us.
But I mean, it's such aconsistent message throughout
interviewing as many people aswe have.
Mm-hmm.
Is there has to be thatcommunication.
If you don't have it, it's notgonna work.
Palmer (06:40):
There's just no way.
And you can, I think lookingback maybe in my past
relationship, I thought I hadthat, but it wasn't authentic to
myself.
Where now I can.
Communicate with you in a waywhere I'm worried about you and
your opinion, but I'm more, I'mmore concerned with making sure
I'm actually communicating whatI really feel right.
(07:00):
Versus just like.
For the sakes.
Yeah.
Communicating for the sake ofcommunicating.
Palmer, I have to
Tramp (07:05):
say that that, resonates with me considerably.
Palmer (07:08):
You can think you're communicating.
Just'cause you're saying wordsdoesn't mean you're
Tramp (07:11):
communicating, doesn't mean they're being heard
necessarily and vice versa.
Yeah.
Elle (07:14):
Right, right.
Or, sometimes you have thecommunication in your head,
you're thinking things.
Mm-hmm.
But are you really expressingthat out?
Yes.
Yeah.
And letting somebody know what'simportant for you.
Yeah.
And having
Palmer (07:24):
somebody that.
Hears it and Yes.
I'm sorry.
What'd you say?
You're adorable.
Oh, that's the word we're using.
Huh?
Okay.
Bryce (07:37):
Okay.
So there's nothing new.
All.
Bless your heart.
Elle (07:39):
Oh, yeah.
That's, that's the, theColorado.
Bless your heart.
Yeah.
Apparently you're adorable.
I like, I my favorite is, you'reso pretty.
Yeah.
I said that to Jay all the time.
Uhhuh.
Aw, you're so pretty.
Bryce (07:53):
I think one thing though, when you communicate things with
me and you're like, I know maybeyou wanna do this, but I'm just
not there right now, and I, I'malways of the mindset that like,
if one of us isn't there, thenmm-hmm.
Then we're both.
Right there.
Palmer (08:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (08:07):
That should be true.
Generally speaking, thelifestyle where even the brand
new people who are cautiouslydipping a toe in the water, you
should only move as fast as theslowest person.
Palmer (08:18):
And I think more often than not, maybe this was an
assumption that women get kindof held up on like, I don't
wanna hold you back.
I don't wanna, like, we're doingthis.
Let's, let's do it.
You know,
Elle (08:29):
and pushing themselves further than that they feel
comfortable with.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
Yeah.
Right.
And if
Palmer (08:33):
you have a partner that doesn't push that, i'll say that
to you and you're like, no, I'm,I'm, I'm gonna, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (08:44):
I don't think it's necessarily limited to women per
se.
Mm-hmm.
I think it's more just apersonality type.
Mm-hmm.
To be honest.
But it could trend a lot more.
Sure.
Palmer (08:51):
Yeah.
Tramp (08:52):
Toward women.
Yeah.
Bryce (08:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, we haven't even beenlifestyle that long, but in the
amount of time that we've beenin it, you can like see other
couples, even new people thatcome in.
You're like, oh, okay.
They're.
Elle (09:03):
Going too fast.
Yes.
Going too fast.
You might wanna slow your roll.
They're like pump the brakes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're canon balling into thedeep end.
Yeah.
You don't have
Palmer (09:10):
to do everything all at once.
Yeah.
All at the same time.
It's okay to take it slow and beintentional.
Well, the lifestyle's not goinganywhere.
Elle (09:18):
Right.
That's it.
And, most people aren't goinganywhere.
Mm-hmm.
And if they are, then theyprobably shouldn't have been in
the lifestyle to begin with.
Mm-hmm.
So if you're just aware of yoursurroundings, aware of your
partner and their needs.
And communicate.
Mm-hmm.
Again.
Mm-hmm.
Then that makes everything.
More enjoyable.
Mm-hmm.
For everyone.
I mean, I always say the lowestcommon denominator.
(09:40):
So if there's four of you andone of you is like, oh, I'm not
sure yet, great.
Mm-hmm.
Then we're not, let's just getto know each other.
Let's just have a goodconversation.
Let's, you know, build thatconnection.
Yes.
And, and we've talked about itbefore, that there's other
places around the country whereit is, you're going there, you
show up.
Oh, you find someone you thinkis hot and you go have sex.
(10:00):
Yeah.
And I think.
We've cultivated here at theranch and in Denver definitely.
And the people that we know,it's more about getting to know
somebody and understanding whothey are.
Yeah.
And, having a deeper connectionwith someone before you get to
that point.
A hundred percent agree.
Absolutely.
'cause we, we travel
Bryce (10:18):
a lot and we'll, definitely check like get on,
the site that we're on and see,what's going on.
Or maybe reach out to a couplecouples.
And it's not that we're reachingout to'em because we want to go
hook up.
We're reaching out and'cause welike meeting.
Mm-hmm.
Fun like-minded people indifferent cities.
Mm-hmm.
And, but we've had plenty ofexperiences.
99% of the time people thinklike, yeah, you're like halfway
through a drink, and they'relike, all right.
(10:39):
You guys ready?
And we're like, whoa, whoa,whoa.
Yeah, I'm speaking of pump thebrakes.
Yeah.
I'm like, I've only had a half adrink.
Elle (10:46):
So when you guys travel, are you finding that you do play
more than you do here or?
I don't think we have ever.
Ever.
Okay.
And again,
Bryce (10:54):
It's not that we're opposed to it, it's just finding
a connection.
Yeah.
Like we're not, and I thinkwe're not the term sport
fuckers, we really just wannameet fun people to hang out with
and
Palmer (11:05):
mm-hmm.
Assuming for me is veryoff-putting.
I think we've gotten betterabout communicating to people
when we are traveling.
Listen, we just really enjoymeeting.
Come to Colorado, we can govisit you here.
And I think that's kind of.
Bryce (11:19):
But even with that, it's amazing the amount of people,
like even when you say, Hey, wehave zero expectations, we just
wanna meet for the people thatare, they're still looking to
have sex.
Like you said, I think it's justwe have this outlet here.
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (11:31):
And.
Bryce (11:32):
We, we
Palmer (11:32):
get to dress up every weekend.
We get to do all these thingsall the time.
And like
Bryce (11:36):
when we travel to Desire or Temptations or anywhere else,
that's their weekend.
That's once a year.
Like Yeah.
Right.
And they're gonna make it count.
Get, yeah.
Yeah.
Where we're like,'cause theydon't have that like every
weekend.
I mean,
Palmer (11:48):
if we didn't have this, I'm sure yeah.
We would be similar.
So.
Yeah, it's, that's
Tramp (11:54):
interesting.
There are parts of the countrywhere it's basically a lifestyle
wasteland.
Mm-hmm.
If you truly think about it,whether it's population or just
Bryce (12:01):
Yeah.
Tramp (12:02):
A lack of clubs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you really think about it, between Denver and the West
Coast, you pretty much haveDenver, Las Vegas.
And some in California.
Elle (12:12):
Mm-hmm.
Although I was just looking atsomething on Facebook that they
opened up a club Salt, salt Lakein Salt Lake City.
Yes.
It looked pretty from theirsite.
It looked pretty Right.
And that people were saying itmay not look like much outside,
but on the inside.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
It, it looks great.
They put some money into it.
And we have friends in SaltLake.
It was.
Jay, we need to reach out andfind out.
'cause I'm sure they've been,you know, check.
How, how is that?
(12:33):
Yeah, I think the church openedit up out there.
Right?
For sure.
For sure.
It's a new, it's a new
Bryce (12:37):
recruiting, method.
Elle (12:38):
I lived there for three years at the early two thousands
and I can't imagine that, justthat whole aspect there.
Mm-hmm.
I remember living there.
I've never wanted to swear moreor to drink more.
Yeah.
Any place else that I lived.
'cause I could, don't tell me Ican't, you know, so, I mean, I
(12:58):
just can only imagine.
Having met some people from SaltLake that they're like, oh
Bryce (13:02):
There are some very attractive people in Salt Lake
City.
Yeah,
Elle (13:06):
this too.
So maybe we need a road trip.
You know, take this podcast onthe road.
Do a little road trip on thispodcast.
Oh, I like this.
I like this.
Let load ups the van with merchand
Bryce (13:16):
the equipment.
Elle (13:17):
Yeah.
We're gonna get t-shirts or tanktops.
Yep, we decided.
Go.
Tramp (13:20):
Now, Bryce, you mentioned that you like to meet people in
your travels.
Where are some of the favoriteplaces that you guys have gone
and just met people or just fora great kind of lifestyle?
Environment, if you will.
Bryce (13:35):
Well, I was just in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Oh yeah.
And how was that?
Oh, let me tell you.
I think, we've done like desireand temptations mm-hmm.
And that's
Palmer (13:45):
easy and perfect.
Like that's, oh yeah.
Bryce (13:48):
We did Temptations twice so far, once with a big group,
and we went once by ourselves.
We like Temptations more, gowith a group type place.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas desire is more like acouple
Palmer (13:58):
good place to meet people.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Like if we're going somewhere inthe summer, like Scottsdale or
Dallas.
Dallas, we'll try to find a goodpool party.
Yeah.
Just kind of sexy vibe.
Bryce (14:10):
And it's so funny, inevitably we were in Dallas and
we went to the Virgin and wewere at their rooftop pool and
you just, oh, you just, you seea couple, you're like, oh,
there.
I
Elle (14:18):
know.
Totally.
You can tell.
And then you start
Bryce (14:19):
talking to'em.
Next thing, you start talkingabout trips to Mexico and then,
eventually mm-hmm.
One of those resorts pops up andthen you have have a ton of, all
right, but like once it'sfigured out, you're like, the
conversation from them is justeasy and just flows.
And you're just like, oh, thisis great.
And these are
Palmer (14:33):
people I know who you're talking about.
And these are people that weprobably had a maybe two hours
with and.
We're still Facebook.
Like you just, yes.
It's so easy to, once you knowsomebody's in the lifestyle,
it's so easy.
Just opens up everything.
The topic, just conversation.
Not even just, you know that, oh
Elle (14:51):
yeah, we're gonna go and have sex.
Mm-hmm.
It's like we can now talk.
Yeah.
All topics are around the table.
Mm-hmm.
I
Bryce (14:57):
think, but I think one of the tricky things around that is
how many people in their mindare like, oh, we're gonna.
Like hook up now, right?
When we're just having funconversations, I think that's
one of the things, especiallylike when we're at the ranch,
we'll see like a new couple walkin and we're like, oh, we should
go talk to'em.
Right?
But then like they're new.
They probably think everybodythat walks up to'em just wants
to have sex with them.
Where it's we just want to befriendly and like say hi.
(15:19):
But you just tell them that, youknow?
I mean, we
Elle (15:21):
do that all the time.
Don't want, guys are really.
Jay is amazing.
Yeah.
I mean, it's so funny becauseI've been in sales my entire
life and this seems to be theone place I'm okay letting him
run it.
And I'll just sort of, chill andhang out.
Bryce (15:34):
Like bring in the closer.
Right, right.
No, no, no.
No's time.
Elle (15:39):
Not even, not even that, but I have had to be on my whole
life.
Mm-hmm.
And this is a place I could justlike go be me.
Mm-hmm.
And just hang out, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But
Tramp (15:49):
I was gonna say, Bryce, you can always change that
opinion of people, the newbiesthat are coming in just eyes
wide open for sure.
And they're think anybody whosays hi is gonna want to just
sport, fuck us.
Just say, Hey, just welcome.
Just make them feel included.
And I think included,
Bryce (16:06):
I'll go up to'em, especially if I like, they're at
the ranch and.
Tramp (16:09):
Yeah,
Bryce (16:10):
they're
Tramp (16:10):
sitting on a couch just side by side,
Bryce (16:12):
just like trying to minimize themselves.
Looking super creepy.
Trying to be invisible.
Everybody, no, sometimes if I'msitting there by myself,'cause
I'll go there Uhhuh when she'snot around just to hang out.
'cause you know, you guys knowhow it is.
You just, it's like a local baris, but I'll see a new couple
come in and they'll come to thebar and set their alcohol down
and I'm like, I'm like, oh, youguys new.
And sometimes I'll give'em atour or everything like that.
(16:32):
Mm-hmm.
Which I think if I like, oh, Iwork here every once in a while,
maybe.
Comes across less creepy.
Okay.
He's, he's not just a
Tramp (16:40):
creepy dude.
Well, we've had plenty ofepisodes about creepy single
guys.
Elle (16:45):
Yes, yes.
We're trying to help.
We're trying to, I did a reallygood job.
Don't, yeah, I don't,
Bryce (16:50):
I don't think we've ever had an experience necessarily
with a single guy where we'relike, not at a ranch.
No.
Yeah.
We've never been approached bysomebody.
We're like, oh, that's creepy.
Or anything like that.
So,
Elle (17:01):
but do you guys go downstairs to play very often
because that's generally wherethe
Palmer (17:06):
creepy ones might be hanging out more.
True.
You have to either just go down,we'll go down to like a room,
just sometimes the two of us.
Yeah, sure.
A couple times we've ended up onthe big bed, and I think you
probably understand what I'msaying.
Mm-hmm.
Like you, you're there, but thenall of a sudden, like everything
around you just disappears.
Yeah.
And you don't notice thatthere's.
Other people, some guy sittingthere watching or whatever,
(17:27):
right?
But like right, you getimmersed, like you're very much
in your own.
It feels like you're in yourown.
Room right in this big roomuntil
Elle (17:34):
someone comes up to you later going, oh my God, you guys
were so hot.
And it's like, oh, you saw that,did you?
Okay.
We've
Bryce (17:39):
never had that experience.
I don't know what you're doingnow.
Elle (17:41):
Well, I must be doing it better.
Yeah, apparently.
Apparently.
Bryce (17:45):
Yeah.
I
Elle (17:45):
have no doubt that somebody has said that to you
too.
No, sorry.
I think we've
Bryce (17:49):
been on the big bed like three times and she's so right.
It's like,'cause she'll, youjust kinda like, she'll like,
let's go downstairs and get onthe big bed.
And I go down there, I'm like,oh, there's so many people I
can't like.
I should do some pushups firstisn't gonna help anyway.
But then yeah, once you get onthere, it's just, you just don't
even, everything just justappears that in, that you're
right, that zone and you don'teven realize that there's people
(18:10):
next to you, sometimes 20 peoplewatching.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (18:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it is nuts.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Don't necessarily have to be avoyeur.
So, tell us maybe some of yourbest experiences that you have
had, the two of you.
Mm-hmm.
In the lifestyle.
I'm gonna just sit back andwatch you answer this.
Palmer (18:30):
We have talked about this a lot, like leading up to
this podcast.
Um,'cause we don't, because ofhow intentional I think we are.
We haven't had a lot ofexperiences granted, we've been
together four years and havebeen doing this.
But, I think anytime somethingis.
Spontaneous.
(18:50):
If that makes sense.
Yes.
And we're not, um, closers,we're not, we're not, uh, we're
so bad we're, we don't know howto like get from, upstairs
dancing to just downstairs.
Like, okay,
Bryce (19:04):
we could have a couple like undressing in front of us,
like ready to go.
We'd be like, so should we getanother drink?
Whatcha guys gonna do?
Yeah.
Palmer (19:10):
So maybe that's something we should work on.
But anything that's spontaneous,when something's planned for me.
It too much pressure.
Yeah.
And then inevitably somebody hastoo much to drink or I'm just
tired or like, you know, oh, hita wall.
Anything.
Right?
Like the spontaneity of anysituation has, is probably like
a highlight for me.
Like a best kind of experience.
(19:33):
And we're, getting more brave.
We're like, you wanna godownstairs?
Like.
Yeah.
I don't know what that is.
Like a Yeah, I think like innatefear of rejection
Tramp (19:43):
it's, a double-edged sword because you guys are a
very attractive couple.
Yes.
So appreciate that.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Elle (19:49):
No, seriously.
Like you should be gettingoffers all the time.
I'm thinking
Tramp (19:53):
by the same token, people are going to be.
Yeah.
A little afraid of them beingrejected.
Yeah.
Saying, saying, Hey, we wouldlove to play with you guys.
And you say, uh,
yeah, just
like you were saying earlier, Palmer, where that fear
of rejection, uhhuh that innatefear of rejection and you want
to try to minimize it, but Ithink in the lifestyle, you just
(20:15):
kind of have to let it, let itfly and it is what it is.
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (20:20):
And that's should be part of it when you're that
comfortable around people.
It should be easy enough to,
Bryce (20:25):
and it's so funny because we'll be at the ranch and we'll
be like, oh, that's a cutecouple over there.
And we always will like go up tosomebody like, Hey, go talk to
them for us.
Oh my gosh, you guys we're inmiddle school.
Do not know.
We're like, get, get it.
Get.
Yeah.
There's certain people who justhave no fear and can go up to
any love probably.
But I love that Jay's really,that he'll just, and I'm just
like, God, I admire that somuch.
Palmer (20:45):
We have lots of friends.
Elle (20:48):
Well, and sometimes that's a little bit of a crutch when
you have so many friends isyou're hanging out and you're
talking and you're talking oryou're talking.
You're talking.
Yes.
For sure.
And it does seem for us, thespontaneity mm-hmm.
Are the people that are here outof town.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And of course they're here andthey're out of town and they've.
Drop the money and they haveplans.
Yeah.
Like they're planning on whetherthey talk, which is totally
(21:09):
fine.
Talk before.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And those tend to be thespontaneous situations that we
get caught up in.
And that tends to be on Sundayswhere it's a longer mm-hmm.
Period of time through the day.
And you have more chatting andit's more relaxed.
That it's that, oh wow, okay,let's go downstairs.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, I was notexpecting to do that at all
today.
Yeah.
But if you get caught up intotalking to the people that you
(21:31):
know, you have a tendency to,that's where you're gonna be.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
Bryce (21:36):
I think when we're at the ranch, we are generally just
talking to people we know.
Mm-hmm.
We just love hanging out thereand just kind of sitting on our,
in our little spot and justpeople watching
Elle (21:47):
and, mm-hmm.
Bryce (21:48):
Oh yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It's, oh, some of the bestpeople watching.
Oh,
Elle (21:50):
yeah.
We were downstairs last nightand standing next to another
couple, and she's like, okay, Idon't normally just sit here and
watch people.
Mm-hmm.
Like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
The people watching Yes.
Is.
Top level.
Yes.
Bryce (22:02):
You know, it's almost worth the price of admissions.
Oh, for sure.
Elle (22:06):
For, and sometimes it's just so sexy uhhuh.
It's like, I don't even, ohyeah.
I don't need to be in the middleof that.
Yeah.
I'm just gonna stand back hereand watch this.
Seeing all the outfits and like,yeah.
Bryce (22:15):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
We love just.
The themes and seeing people getdressed up.
And it's so funny because at theranch, I can sit there and see a
girl.
I'm like, oh my God, I love heroutfit.
Like, or she's just looks, she'sjust pretty, and I can give a
compliment like that.
Yeah.
And but we were out at just anormal bar the other night and s
bartender girl, she just wasclassically.
(22:35):
Mm-hmm.
Very pretty.
Yeah.
And I felt since it was a normalvanilla club that I couldn't
tell anything.
Her that because I, like, I, Idon't know.
Mm-hmm.
But you didn't, she was veryappreciative, but yeah,
Elle (22:48):
sometimes, yeah.
I think it's less, intimidatingcoming from the woman, coming
from female than from, the man.
Well, yeah.
Whereas at at the ranch or atanother club, you can just say
it.
Yeah.
I always appreciate it.
Yeah.
When someone says something tome, yeah.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
It feel good.
It's like, oh good.
Well I put effort in.
Thank you for noticing.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Bryce (23:07):
And that's why sometimes like even vanilla friends, it's
like, God, if they just camehere on a, a night and realize
that, it's not just a bunch ofpeople hooking up.
Right.
You can just look great.
A woman that should getcompliments mm-hmm.
From anybody and, yeah.
Yeah.
It just makes people feel goodand
Elle (23:23):
mm-hmm.
I have a, girlfriend that I'veknown.
For 25 years, and when Jay and Ifirst started dating, I had let
her know that we were, dabblinginto the lifestyle.
So she's been aware of that, andshe's a single woman and I have
been trying to get her to cometo the ranch for mm-hmm.
Five years because it is a veryopen place.
(23:43):
You can feel good aboutyourself.
Mm-hmm.
There's really no judgment and Ithink.
Mentally, it would be aphenomenal place for her to go.
Mm-hmm.
And she won't do it.
It's like, okay, you're notgonna walk in.
And there's an orgy when youwalk in and people think that
and it's not.
And so just to have that,openness,
Palmer (24:01):
I feel like particularly women just have this idea in
their head that it's just gonnabe like, everybody's like
perfect looking right.
What I love about.
The ranch is, it's to each theirown.
Wear what you're comfortablewith.
Wear what makes you feel good.
Yes.
Look how you wanna look.
Everybody's different.
It's so body positive.
It's very inclusive.
It's, that's one of my favoritefor women, to come and
(24:23):
experience that.
Like you don't have to feel over
Elle (24:26):
self-conscious about your body shape or how you look.
It's more how you feel.
Yeah.
And then that's what getsprojected.
Tramp (24:35):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Confidence is sexy goesincredibly goes wrong way.
Right?
Elle (24:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (24:40):
And I, have to interject a little bit with my very first
experience was not jumping intothe deep end.
Mm-hmm.
Like we talked about earlier,but during the pandemic, trying
to figure out where to go onvacation and ending up at Desire
Pearl.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And even though there weren't a lot of people, because
it was during COVID.
Mm-hmm.
It just opened so many eyes and.
(25:02):
Breaking through thoseuncomfortable barriers and just
being able to relax in thatenvironment and thinking, wow,
this is really sexy.
And it makes me feel reallygood.
Palmer (25:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, it's amazing.
Tramp (25:14):
And the ranch, I feel like this is a big commercial
for the ranch, but Yes.
As opposed to a lot of clubs.
Mm-hmm.
And I've been to other clubs inother cities where, just like
you had mentioned earlier.
It's just people are DTF.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And that's,
Bryce (25:30):
we have been to one other club or two other clubs, and
this isn't like a just bigcommercial for the ranch, but
the ranch is, just set updifferent.
The lighting's different.
It's not what it is in otherplaces.
It's upscale.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not
Elle (25:48):
dark and seedy.
Yeah.
You're going in knowing what toexpect.
Mm-hmm.
This used to be a steakhouse.
Yeah.
It still has that upscalesteakhouse feel to it.
So that's why people are sosurprised when they walk in and
they're like, wow.
You know?
Yeah.
Bryce (26:03):
But I think that's also why it's a great place for
people that are.
Dipping their toe in Yes.
Is what they say.
But yeah, it's also a greatplace with people that maybe
they don't even want to be inthe lifestyle.
They want to be lifestyleadjacent and just have that
freedom to dress how they wantto dance, how they want to be
who they are.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that that's.
(26:24):
I think that people that thinkabout the lifestyle, they don't
think about that aspect.
Right.
If you're not a lifestyle, youjust think it's people hooking
up all the time.
That's it.
Just sex all the time.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (26:32):
I'm finding more and more people that are there because
they like to be around peopleYeah.
That are free and open.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be a sexthing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bryce (26:41):
Lifestyle Jason Or lifestyle lightness.
Elle (26:43):
Yeah.
I, yeah, I agree with both ofthose terminologies.
Tramp (26:46):
That's part of the reason why I think Sunday fun days are
something that is.
Quite frankly, justunparalleled.
Yeah.
Most clubs nationwide will not offer something like
that.
It's They don't, they don't,they don't have the outdoor
space.
Right.
They don't have the, yeah.
But it's great to hang out andhave fantastic conversations.
So it's like you go
Palmer (27:07):
from like.
Saturday night, just look inSanta and then Sunday you roll
in and like yoga pants.
I might have put
Elle (27:13):
mascara on and my hair's in a ponytail.
It might be from last night.
I and I, yeah.
Right.
And I don't care.
And no one else does.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
I refer to it as adult summercamp.
Mm-hmm.
Because people are just walkingaround, they're chatting or
they're playing cornhole, orthey might be playing volleyball
or going down the slide.
Yeah.
And we get that opportunity tojust.
S Chill.
Mm-hmm.
(27:34):
And, and be.
Mm-hmm.
And that there's, there'snothing better than that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well that just turned into ahuge commercial.
I know.
And, um, as, they are now one ofour sponsors, I would just like
to give a special shout out tothe Scarlet Ranch North
America's premier, upscale,private lifestyle destination.
(27:58):
If you've been listening to ourshow as.
Especially today, you know, manyof our guests are regulars
there, and it's no wonder whypicture this.
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the night gets a littlesteamier.
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(28:19):
ranch.com and let your nextadventure begin.
Bryce (28:23):
I love that.
Yeah.
I support that message.
I,
Elle (28:26):
right.
I think we all do.
Yes.
Tramp (28:28):
Well, Bryce and Palmer, in kind of closing here, is
there anything else that youguys wanted to mention?
Or
Elle (28:36):
advice to
Palmer (28:37):
give?
Elle (28:37):
Advice?
Advice, anything to people?
Palmer (28:39):
Take it slow.
Yeah.
It's not going anywhere.
If you're looking for a four wayconnection, take it really slow.
Yeah.
It's not gonna happen overnight.
It could take years.
If that's not your thing, stilltake it slow.
Yeah.
Have, have dinner.
You authentic in yourcommunication.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Be true to yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Bryce (28:56):
Yeah, don't just jump in, make good friends.
I feel like a lot of people thatlisten to these podcasts are
probably.
Haven't done anything yet.
They're just curious about itand they're trying to learn from
it.
Mm-hmm.
The biggest thing is you can kind of make it what you
want to make it.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like they said, there's peoplethat we meet or there's people
that show up at the club, maybethey go once or twice a year.
Right.
And that's just the thing.
They go there that night to,Hey, we're gonna do this to
(29:17):
spice up our relationship onenight.
And that's great.
It can be whatever you want itto be.
It doesn't have to be what?
It was when you first started,it can evolve, right?
It's a living experience, so itcan evolve into what you want it
to be and you don't have to.
Do things you don't want to doand mm-hmm.
No, you can still have fun.
Elle (29:34):
There's, no steadfast rules on what to do.
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's truly unique foreverybody.
Tramp (29:39):
And, and I would insert that you shouldn't do things No.
You don't want to do, even ifyour partner may want
Palmer (29:44):
Yes.
Tramp (29:45):
Something there's Yeah.
Bryce (29:46):
Taking one for the teams should not.
Palmer (29:49):
I know.
And I think that's the, youknow, you get in, you're excited
and, but take it slow.
Yeah.
Elle (29:55):
And he's up on the booze.
Yes.
Because that leads to moreregrets than anything else.
For sure.
And you wanna rememberexperience?
Bruce has
Bryce (30:02):
never led your regrets
Palmer (30:05):
talking about No, that's a, yeah.
If you visit the ranch, take iteasier anywhere.
Your first Yes.
Yeah.
Your first experience.
Elle (30:11):
Mm-hmm.
Enjoy it and be present.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bryce (30:15):
If you're new to this and you're thinking about getting
into it, don't hesitate to.
If you're on a, an app orsomething like that, reach out
to a couple or you, maybe yousee that they've been in for a
while and just ask questions.
Mm-hmm.
We're everybody that's in itloves to talk about it.
Yeah.
And just what a great experienceit is.
And so you can gain a lot ofinformation talking to people
(30:38):
and learn from their experiencesabout their experiences.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (30:42):
There are highs and lows in everything in between.
As we say, yes.
Let other, let other people makethe mistakes.
Elle (30:46):
Right, right, right.
Tramp (30:48):
Well guys, thank you so much.
Yeah.
It has been so much fun havingyou guys.
I've excited.
Is it over?
That wasn't long enough.
Oh,
Elle (30:56):
we're, we're not done.
Oh, no.
Is this intermission?
No.
Yes, this is the pause.
Oh, good.
This is the pause.
Tramp (31:02):
So I'm gonna call out a certain geographic.
Area of people this episode,because Elle, how many emails do
you think we got from ourChicago land friends?
Elle (31:15):
I believe it was zero.
Yes, it was.
I'm very disappointed inChicago.
And we're going to have to callon another area to see if they
can come through
Tramp (31:25):
for us.
Yes.
So I'm gonna broaden it out alittle bit.
And the second largest singlegeographic is Florida.
Elle (31:31):
Okay.
Florida, between
Tramp (31:32):
Miami, Orlando and some further out points,
Elle (31:36):
we know we have a lot of people and you went on some
trips there.
I have.
So I know for a fact thatthere's at least 10 people who
have listened to us in Orlando,in Florida, in the Florida that
you personally know.
That I personally know.
So I think that somebody needsto jump on that.
Tramp (31:53):
Okay.
For us, so we do have an A MAthis week, but just to push it
out, we're we want some AMAsfrom our Florida friends.
Elle (32:00):
Yes.
Tramp (32:01):
This week's a MA comes from our friends, the mountain
foxes, and the question is, atwhat point did you consider
yourself to be a swinger or inthe lifestyle?
Now they have two very differentpoints of view with this, where
one says that when they firstvisited the ranch and.
(32:27):
The interaction didn't lead toany kind of soft swap or full
swap or anything of that nature,but it was definitely beyond
boundaries as far as otherpeople touching your partner,
for example.
Or was it your first either fullor soft swap experience?
Which one?
Is there one that constitutesone way or another to say I am
(32:48):
in the lifestyle or not?
Palmer (32:52):
I think.
That you either don't know whatthe lifestyle is like you've
never even heard that term.
And then you do for some reason.
I think you had a podcast aboutthis, there's kind of subsets,
right?
Like there's kink community,right?
There's different, I think maybelifestyle's a big umbrella.
Like we know people that onlycome to the ranch just to dress
(33:14):
up and yes, be a little flirty.
Mm-hmm.
But I.
If they were to be asked ifthey're in the lifestyle, I
don't know if what they wouldsay, again, what about you?
Me?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Where was the moment?
In a therapist's office who wasvery open about, what my ex and
I were trying to do.
And she just said, well, that'sthe lifestyle.
(33:35):
And I'd never heard that termbefore.
And so there, that's a veryprobably different answer than
you were looking for.
'cause okay.
It was when I had heard about itand I thought, okay, well we're
trying to do this.
Falls in line with.
What you're describing.
So I, I guess that's lifestyle.
Tramp (33:50):
I would just say there's no wrong answer.
No,
Palmer (33:52):
there's no.
Tramp (33:53):
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (33:53):
And it can be whatever you want it to be or make it,
or, or little as, yeah.
Or as much mm-hmm.
As you want it to.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah,
Elle (34:00):
I think it is kind of,, white out there with a broad
spectrum mm-hmm.
Of moments where, oh, we'reswingers.
Yes.
Palmer (34:07):
You know, because I feel like if you say, I'm in the
lifestyle based on this or notthat.
Doesn't leave it open to yougetting to create your own kind
of path with it.
Mm-hmm.
Whether you wanna just be reallyslow and intentional,
situational, adjacent, whatever.
I think having a hard, I didthis, so now lifestyle is kind
(34:27):
of a tough,
Bryce (34:30):
I think my first experience in it.
It wasn't necessarily so muchlifestyle for me.
Mm-hmm.
But
I think for you and I, I think we just took it so slow
that all of a sudden you justlike, wake up, you're like, oh,
okay.
Or I think we're,
Elle (34:44):
we're in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
But
Bryce (34:46):
it's, but it's still like our, again, our lifestyle is, I
call it lifestyle light.
Mm-hmm.
Like
it's, we're not super in, we don't play a lot, but we're
mm-hmm.
You know, obviously we're at theranch a lot.
But I think you guys are in itfor the social.
Mm-hmm.
More so the social aspect.
More.
More so the social.
But we definitely, I mean, oneof our first experiences was
(35:06):
with somebody here at thistable, so,
Elle (35:08):
well, it wasn't me, so
Bryce (35:12):
we're saving the best for life.
Um, but I mean, it was verylike, probably just parallel
play.
Spontaneous, spontaneous fact.
I know that night you're talkingabout, it was very, you talked
about it.
You gotta listen to past podcastyourself.
But I think that was maybe oneof our first, okay, we're, that
was a good, yeah, get us into itand mm-hmm.
(35:32):
Again,
Elle (35:33):
spontaneous, it wasn't planned out.
You're like, okay, we're gonnago to dinner and then we're
gonna have a drink, and thenwe're gonna go to someone's
house and then we're gonna, dothis and that.
It was, oh, look at us.
We're just having a sexy timeand this is good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (35:46):
I would venture to say that there's not one act or
something definitive.
Mm-hmm.
It's a frame of mind.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah.
So if you find yourself we go to the ranch, or to any
club.
Mm-hmm.
I, I'm just, I just wanna spreadit out.
Or you actively seek lifestyle,at least lifestyle adjacent,
whether it be temptation ordesire or hido or whatnot.
(36:07):
If you actively seek thosethings out
mm-hmm.
You
don't necessarily have to jump in the deep into the pool.
Yeah.
But
if that's your groove and you really enjoy that
Bryce (36:19):
hell
Elle (36:20):
mm-hmm.
That's it.
Your lifestyle.
Yeah, sure.
Bryce (36:22):
And I think that that's what scares so many people off
from the term lifestyle, or isanything, is they think that you
have to jump in and next thingyou know, that's a full-blown
like orgy going on.
Not that it's what now?
I
Tramp (36:34):
have been in those and those are a lot of fun to, to be
fair, I'm not, I'm not sayingthat you don't, please do not
dis I'm not saying you don't getthere, but,
Elle (36:41):
but I think there's a difference, lifestyle, like you
said, is, encompassing a lot ofdifferent things.
Yes.
It could be kink, it could beswinging, it could be, and then
swinging, you know, is thequestion then, are you a
swinger?
Mm-hmm.
And a swinger isn't so much amindset.
It is you and your spouse or youare playing with.
Other people.
(37:01):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And um, so maybe that's wherethe terminology is, different
lifestyle is just encompassingan attitude, like you said.
I agree with
Palmer (37:08):
that.
I think you'll probably notice,we were talking about this
before at the ranch.
It's trending towards a, a muchyounger generation starting to,
and I think that's just theirmindset.
I think that's their normal isRight?
Like we are open.
We're, which is great.
I love it.
Yeah.
But yeah, you kind of notice ashift in.
Right.
Like, they're like, what'slifestyle?
(37:29):
We just, this is just what wedo.
This what we do.
Elle (37:30):
Yeah.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and so normalizing it.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas for us, it's like woo
ooh.
Yeah.
Lifestyle.
And I, I think next
Tramp (37:38):
10 years is gonna be very interesting.
Mm-hmm.
To watch, just to watch and seehow it all unfolds.
Particularly with a youngergeneration coming in.
Yeah.
Would you say that thedemographic potentially is.
Maybe dropping a little bit.
Yes.
Because yes, I
Palmer (37:52):
think so.
Tramp (37:52):
Traditionally it would be, or I'm just getting older.
I don't,
Elle (37:56):
and just everybody's younger.
We don't age.
Come on, let's, well, that isthe beauty of this.
It helps you to not age.
Yeah.
Yes.
You know?
Well, you
Tramp (38:05):
take care of yourself.
Yeah.
Right.
You do.
'cause
Elle (38:07):
there, you know, you want to project something sexy and
Oh, absolutely.
You know, attractive to anyoneelse.
Mm-hmm.
And yourself.
I mean, I find most of this isso that I feel good about me.
Mm-hmm.
If you like how I look, then that's fantastic.
What a great bonus.
But I feel good about how Ilook.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's, a focus.
(38:28):
Oh, a hundred percent.
You know?
Yeah.
And I
Bryce (38:30):
think that's one of the things, like if you're out with
vanilla friends and you likeyour friend's, you know, partner
looks nice and you want to givethem a compliment, you're
hesitant to do that becauseyou're like, I don't wanna piss,
like
Yeah.
Offend
her or offend him, or offend anybody.
Whereas in the lifestyle, nomatter where you're at, you can
do that.
And.
You're not offending anybody.
It's well, hopefully not right.
(38:52):
We've all come across thosesituations.
Where did
Elle (38:54):
you just talk to her?
Right?
Well, you know, it's so funnybecause about a month ago I was
at my high school reunion and Iwas giving a hug.
To a guy friend that I've knownfor, oh, maybe years.
And, I gave him a kiss on thecheek.
Mm-hmm.
It was a kiss on the cheek andhe's like, oh, hey, so we're
(39:15):
doing a kiss on the cheek.
Are we?
And I'm like, oh shit.
Is that not acceptable?
Damnit seemed like it wasnatural
Bryce (39:22):
in the late nineties when you graduated high school.
It wasn't like that.
Oh, you're so funny.
So that's the,
you're
Elle (39:27):
so
Bryce (39:27):
cute.
Palmer (39:27):
I wish we get a lot of stuff So sweet.
I think, I don't know.
We talked about this the othernight.
We went, there were like 20 ofus.
We went to a play downtown.
Elle (39:38):
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (39:38):
Yeah.
Um, and took a big group pictureand posted it.
And I'm examining the picture,like we all look good, like
we're all wearing, right?
Sure.
Something cute, sexy.
But somebody's friend had made acomment on our picture.
That says something about, isthis a swingers convention?
Or, and I, oh, shit.
I'm looking and looking at thepicture like, like what
would've, we're all with ourpartners, we're all like, you're
(40:00):
dressed.
What's giving this away?
Bryce (40:02):
If you are older and you get dressed up, sexier like
that.
Yeah.
People aren't used to seeingthat in Right, in typical like
suburban life.
Mm-hmm.
And so when they see it, it'slike, oh, well, what's going on?
What's going on here?
Yeah.
I think
Tramp (40:17):
I would reframe it a little bit.
In that picture, you could seethat people put in the effort.
Effort.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's not just so why are youputting the effort?
Yeah.
It's not just for the evening.
It's whether they, they lookamazing and they've been to the
gym, obviously, but they want tobe the best version mm-hmm.
Of themselves.
Elle (40:34):
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
And, maybe other people our agedon't.
Mm-hmm.
See that they need to do that.
Mm-hmm.
I'm sorry, I wanna live the bestlife I can.
I know.
Bryce (40:45):
In the lifestyle.
Yeah.
Get you get dressed up and getsexy and feel good every like
once a month, if not, and that'shealthy for everybody's.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (40:53):
Well, and seriously, you guys always look outstanding.
The theme.
Well either with the theme oreven just dressed up.
I mean, Jay and I were talkingabout it before.
Bryce, you always.
Maybe not this morning, but youalways look, you know, but
you're talking, I went to BedEarth last night, said, I'm look
(41:14):
good for you.
And that's what I get.
No, no, no.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
But down to your shoes, you,it's, I mean, you make that
effort and it's, it's sowonderful when the men do that.
'cause so often you'll see thewomen do.
Mm-hmm.
And the guys just look like adude.
Yeah.
We have some
Bryce (41:31):
friends.
Some friends, and if he everlistens to this, he's, he'll
know who I'm talking about.
But just show us up in the samet-shirt and cargo shorts and,
Hey dudes.
Oh, come on, come on.
You know who you are.
Step it up.
Elle (41:42):
Right, right.
I mean, she made an effort.
You should too, because I'msorry, it's not just about Yes.
Palmer.
Getting attention from somebody.
You both want it.
Mm-hmm.
I just try to keep up with her.
Right.
Tramp (41:54):
That's fair.
Yeah.
Well, I think, and not to gettoo far off topic.
Mm-hmm.
But women in general, not onlydo you compliment each other
openly, you get compliments fromthe gentleman.
Mm-hmm.
Guys in general, we don't get a lot of fair.
Yeah.
I try to, if
Elle (42:10):
someone's made effort, I mm-hmm.
I will.
Yeah, let them know.
Yeah.
Because who doesn't want acompliment?
Right?
Of course.
For sure.
And that's going to make you doit more.
It is like, oh wow, okay, well Ihad somebody noticed, two people
notice that I made that effort.
I'm gonna do that again.
'cause that feels good, right?
Tramp (42:26):
Mm-hmm.
Or try to take it to the nextlevel and a little of the game.
Little attention to detail.
Of course.
Elle (42:31):
Yeah.
For sure.
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Yeah.
I feel like this went by superfast.
Elle (43:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was easier than youthought.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (43:58):
Just talking, talking.
We're gonna go ahead and wrap upthis episode.
And again, we are just sothankful that everyone listening
has chosen to tune in and listento us.
Elle (44:10):
I can't wait to hear what Florida has to say.
Yeah, I'm looking forward tothat too.
Yeah.
Bryce (44:15):
And we just wanna say when we were on a road trip, we
were flipping through podcaststo listen to lifestyle podcasts
because I can't listen anymore.
True crime.
'cause she's gonna end up havingwe too many ideas.
Yeah, I know.
I'm, don't you better notlisten.
But we listened to yours and weloved it, loved the format and
everything.
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Hop on here with you guys, soreally appreciate doing a great
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Elle (44:37):
We thank you.
We thank you know, I mean, Ilove that you're our fans.
It's been so fun in more, inmore way than one.
In more way than one.
Aw, that's even
Tramp (44:45):
nicer.
And, and even more so thatyou're.
We consider you guys friends.
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Palmer (44:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Tramp (44:51):
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Elle (45:08):
Yay.
So if anyone has an ask meanything, then please reach out.
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It's some fun to listen to,right?
From a listener.
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Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And we are just so very thankfulfor you continuing to come on
this journey with us as we talkabout the lifestyle, the highs
and lows and everything inbetween.
Elle (00:20):
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Tramp (00:21):
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Very true.
And today we are blessed to haveBryce and Palmer with us, and
I've known you guys, I want tosay it seems like forever.
Years life and lifestyle years.
Yes.
Half, four years.
Yeah.
They're a lifestyle forever.
They're like dog years.
(00:41):
So welcome guys.
Thank you.
And today you guys are makingyour debut per se.
Yeah.
And we're really interested tohear about your story and how
you guys came to be and some ofyour experiences because
everybody's journey is unique.
Palmer (01:00):
Yeah,
Bryce (01:00):
yeah, for sure.
I think
Elle (01:03):
welcome.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks.
We're excited.
Bryce (01:05):
Yeah.
Elle (01:07):
So tell us a little bit about how you got in the
lifestyle, how you guys gottogether.
Palmer (01:13):
I don't think our story's very common.
We were both married before andboth in the lifestyle before and
had met each other actually on acouple's date with our exes A
long time ago.
Yes.
And then.
Ended up divorced andreconnecting and it made for a
really easy it, I knew it wasn'tpart of my life.
(01:34):
I wanted to give up.
Yeah, same.
And so, yeah, it made for aneasy conversation to go back
into the lifestyle.
Tramp (01:42):
I'm gonna interject there just real quick.
We've had conversations El and Iabout.
Once the lifestyle's kind ofimprinted into your DNA Right.
You really can't imagine no.
Your life without it, even ifyou're not active, but the
friendships mm-hmm.
And the social group, therealness.
The realness, yeah.
Is a hundred percent just nextlevel.
(02:03):
And in fact, when you go outwith vanilla friends, it can
oftentimes be, this is kind ofboring, not so much
a drag.
Yeah.
Bryce (02:13):
Now, like when I go out, like I just was at a work
function and, so it was,basically a vanilla party, but
you're just like, oh, okay.
Can't I can't touch her back?
Right.
Switch into this gear real quickor I'm gonna get fired.
Elle (02:27):
Oh, I was talking to somebody last night and she was
saying they went to like alittle dive bar and she
complimented the bartender onher hair and she just looked at
her like.
It was the craziest thing in theworld that she would say
something to her like that.
Yeah.
And it's of like, oh, we're,we're, we're not doing that.
We we're not nice to people.
We don't compliment.
Wow.
Okay.
Bryce (02:47):
Yeah.
Which is one of the reasonsthat, the ranch is so great, is
because everybody can kind of bethemselves there and compliment
each other and make people feelgood and everybody.
Is that their best?
So,
Elle (02:58):
yeah.
Yeah.
People walk in just, it doesn'tmatter what they look like, how
they feel is really mm-hmm.
More important than anythingelse.
Yeah.
Wow.
You feel sexy, you feel like youlook good and I wanna support
that, and I want to, make youfeel good too.
Yeah.
Bryce (03:12):
And I think that that was one of the things when we
reconnected and came back, likeinto the lifestyle, we both.
Brought different aspects fromour previous experience.
Mm-hmm.
And we knew exactly what, notexactly, but we knew more of
what we didn't want to do.
Mm-hmm.
And not necessarily what thelifestyle could be.
(03:32):
Mm-hmm.
We knew that, like I loved,seeing her get dressed up and
going out.
So we loved, the ranch for thataspect.
Mm-hmm.
And then eventually just meetinga great group of friends.
And
Elle (03:43):
so, so you guys met on a couple's date with your other
spouses uhhuh, but you didn't.
Hmm.
This is gonna just be one ofthose questions.
Yeah.
You didn't like get together andthen the marriages disappeared.
No.
The marriages disappeared andthen you went, Hey, yes, I
remember you.
This was great.
(04:04):
I ran into
Bryce (04:05):
her at her job.
I
Palmer (04:07):
was bartending at the, a hotel near the airport and he
was traveling for work and so.
We're like, oh, we know eacheach other.
Hello.
So, yeah.
No, no, no.
For sure.
For me, my marriage was gonelong before.
Yeah,
Elle (04:24):
yeah.
Did, did the lifestyle haveanything to do with that or was
it just other things then thatjust happened to be
Palmer (04:31):
Ooh, ooh, that's a tough one.
A lot of other things, but Sure.
I think the lifestyle amplifiedit and just doing it.
Kind of all wrong, I think inmy, not that if anybody did it
the exact same way, it would bewrong for them.
It was wrong for me, so.
Right.
Yeah,
Tramp (04:47):
no, that's completely fair.
Bryce, something you saidearlier on is when you guys came
together.
You individually knew what youliked from the lifestyle and
what you didn't like.
Bryce (04:59):
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Tramp (04:59):
Yeah.
And that's amazing, being ableto meld those together.
And of course, I'm sure therewas give and take if you will.
Palmer (05:07):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (05:08):
But being able to bring that all together into one
cohesive unit and find mm-hmm.
Happiness.
Bryce (05:13):
Yeah.
When we got back into thelifestyle, we took things
extremely slow.
I remember that.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Very, very intentional.
Very.
We loved hanging out.
We, like I said, the ranch wasgreat just for the sexiness of
it and the fun of it.
But we knew that we didn't wantto just jump right in and
mm-hmm.
We kind of did things.
(05:34):
With purpose.
Palmer (05:35):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
And I think we still do.
Yeah.
Bryce (05:38):
Yeah.
And I mean, we also, coming fromit before we understood the
importance of communication.
So anytime anything wouldhappen, we would talk about it
and mm-hmm.
And so yeah, kind of figure itout.
And I think we, know
Palmer (05:49):
oh yeah,
Bryce (05:50):
where we're at, like,
Palmer (05:51):
and yeah.
And have learned how tocommunicate or if maybe we try
something and.
It went really well or don'treally wanna do that again.
Right.
It doesn't have to be anargument or a fight or it's just
a like, oh, let's you know, thatwas different's.
Yeah.
You can look at each other andsay, yeah, that was a shit show
and let's not do that again.
Exactly.
Tramp (06:08):
That too.
We have any
Bryce (06:10):
shit shows, but that's
Tramp (06:12):
good experiences.
Were like, uh, maybe not again.
Yeah.
No.
But l we seem to have, and Iknow we hammer on this,
seemingly every single episodethat comes up is.
The core of communication.
Elle (06:23):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes me smile.
I was waiting for it.
I was waiting for it just, andwe didn't
Tramp (06:27):
bring it up for once and we didn't.
Elle (06:28):
No, it's not us.
But I mean, it's such aconsistent message throughout
interviewing as many people aswe have.
Mm-hmm.
Is there has to be thatcommunication.
If you don't have it, it's notgonna work.
Palmer (06:40):
There's just no way.
And you can, I think lookingback maybe in my past
relationship, I thought I hadthat, but it wasn't authentic to
myself.
Where now I can.
Communicate with you in a waywhere I'm worried about you and
your opinion, but I'm more, I'mmore concerned with making sure
I'm actually communicating whatI really feel right.
(07:00):
Versus just like.
For the sakes.
Yeah.
Communicating for the sake ofcommunicating.
Palmer, I have to
Tramp (07:05):
say that that, resonates with me considerably.
Palmer (07:08):
You can think you're communicating.
Just'cause you're saying wordsdoesn't mean you're
Tramp (07:11):
communicating, doesn't mean they're being heard
necessarily and vice versa.
Yeah.
Elle (07:14):
Right, right.
Or, sometimes you have thecommunication in your head,
you're thinking things.
Mm-hmm.
But are you really expressingthat out?
Yes.
Yeah.
And letting somebody know what'simportant for you.
Yeah.
And having
Palmer (07:24):
somebody that.
Hears it and Yes.
I'm sorry.
What'd you say?
You're adorable.
Oh, that's the word we're using.
Huh?
Okay.
Bryce (07:37):
Okay.
So there's nothing new.
All.
Bless your heart.
Elle (07:39):
Oh, yeah.
That's, that's the, theColorado.
Bless your heart.
Yeah.
Apparently you're adorable.
I like, I my favorite is, you'reso pretty.
Yeah.
I said that to Jay all the time.
Uhhuh.
Aw, you're so pretty.
Bryce (07:53):
I think one thing though, when you communicate things with
me and you're like, I know maybeyou wanna do this, but I'm just
not there right now, and I, I'malways of the mindset that like,
if one of us isn't there, thenmm-hmm.
Then we're both.
Right there.
Palmer (08:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (08:07):
That should be true.
Generally speaking, thelifestyle where even the brand
new people who are cautiouslydipping a toe in the water, you
should only move as fast as theslowest person.
Palmer (08:18):
And I think more often than not, maybe this was an
assumption that women get kindof held up on like, I don't
wanna hold you back.
I don't wanna, like, we're doingthis.
Let's, let's do it.
You know,
Elle (08:29):
and pushing themselves further than that they feel
comfortable with.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes.
Yeah.
Right.
And if
Palmer (08:33):
you have a partner that doesn't push that, i'll say that
to you and you're like, no, I'm,I'm, I'm gonna, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (08:44):
I don't think it's necessarily limited to women per
se.
Mm-hmm.
I think it's more just apersonality type.
Mm-hmm.
To be honest.
But it could trend a lot more.
Sure.
Palmer (08:51):
Yeah.
Tramp (08:52):
Toward women.
Yeah.
Bryce (08:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, we haven't even beenlifestyle that long, but in the
amount of time that we've beenin it, you can like see other
couples, even new people thatcome in.
You're like, oh, okay.
They're.
Elle (09:03):
Going too fast.
Yes.
Going too fast.
You might wanna slow your roll.
They're like pump the brakes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're canon balling into thedeep end.
Yeah.
You don't have
Palmer (09:10):
to do everything all at once.
Yeah.
All at the same time.
It's okay to take it slow and beintentional.
Well, the lifestyle's not goinganywhere.
Elle (09:18):
Right.
That's it.
And, most people aren't goinganywhere.
Mm-hmm.
And if they are, then theyprobably shouldn't have been in
the lifestyle to begin with.
Mm-hmm.
So if you're just aware of yoursurroundings, aware of your
partner and their needs.
And communicate.
Mm-hmm.
Again.
Mm-hmm.
Then that makes everything.
More enjoyable.
Mm-hmm.
For everyone.
I mean, I always say the lowestcommon denominator.
(09:40):
So if there's four of you andone of you is like, oh, I'm not
sure yet, great.
Mm-hmm.
Then we're not, let's just getto know each other.
Let's just have a goodconversation.
Let's, you know, build thatconnection.
Yes.
And, and we've talked about itbefore, that there's other
places around the country whereit is, you're going there, you
show up.
Oh, you find someone you thinkis hot and you go have sex.
(10:00):
Yeah.
And I think.
We've cultivated here at theranch and in Denver definitely.
And the people that we know,it's more about getting to know
somebody and understanding whothey are.
Yeah.
And, having a deeper connectionwith someone before you get to
that point.
A hundred percent agree.
Absolutely.
'cause we, we travel
Bryce (10:18):
a lot and we'll, definitely check like get on,
the site that we're on and see,what's going on.
Or maybe reach out to a couplecouples.
And it's not that we're reachingout to'em because we want to go
hook up.
We're reaching out and'cause welike meeting.
Mm-hmm.
Fun like-minded people indifferent cities.
Mm-hmm.
And, but we've had plenty ofexperiences.
99% of the time people thinklike, yeah, you're like halfway
through a drink, and they'relike, all right.
(10:39):
You guys ready?
And we're like, whoa, whoa,whoa.
Yeah, I'm speaking of pump thebrakes.
Yeah.
I'm like, I've only had a half adrink.
Elle (10:46):
So when you guys travel, are you finding that you do play
more than you do here or?
I don't think we have ever.
Ever.
Okay.
And again,
Bryce (10:54):
It's not that we're opposed to it, it's just finding
a connection.
Yeah.
Like we're not, and I thinkwe're not the term sport
fuckers, we really just wannameet fun people to hang out with
and
Palmer (11:05):
mm-hmm.
Assuming for me is veryoff-putting.
I think we've gotten betterabout communicating to people
when we are traveling.
Listen, we just really enjoymeeting.
Come to Colorado, we can govisit you here.
And I think that's kind of.
Bryce (11:19):
But even with that, it's amazing the amount of people,
like even when you say, Hey, wehave zero expectations, we just
wanna meet for the people thatare, they're still looking to
have sex.
Like you said, I think it's justwe have this outlet here.
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (11:31):
And.
Bryce (11:32):
We, we
Palmer (11:32):
get to dress up every weekend.
We get to do all these thingsall the time.
And like
Bryce (11:36):
when we travel to Desire or Temptations or anywhere else,
that's their weekend.
That's once a year.
Like Yeah.
Right.
And they're gonna make it count.
Get, yeah.
Yeah.
Where we're like,'cause theydon't have that like every
weekend.
I mean,
Palmer (11:48):
if we didn't have this, I'm sure yeah.
We would be similar.
So.
Yeah, it's, that's
Tramp (11:54):
interesting.
There are parts of the countrywhere it's basically a lifestyle
wasteland.
Mm-hmm.
If you truly think about it,whether it's population or just
Bryce (12:01):
Yeah.
Tramp (12:02):
A lack of clubs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you really think about it, between Denver and the West
Coast, you pretty much haveDenver, Las Vegas.
And some in California.
Elle (12:12):
Mm-hmm.
Although I was just looking atsomething on Facebook that they
opened up a club Salt, salt Lakein Salt Lake City.
Yes.
It looked pretty from theirsite.
It looked pretty Right.
And that people were saying itmay not look like much outside,
but on the inside.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
It, it looks great.
They put some money into it.
And we have friends in SaltLake.
It was.
Jay, we need to reach out andfind out.
'cause I'm sure they've been,you know, check.
How, how is that?
(12:33):
Yeah, I think the church openedit up out there.
Right?
For sure.
For sure.
It's a new, it's a new
Bryce (12:37):
recruiting, method.
Elle (12:38):
I lived there for three years at the early two thousands
and I can't imagine that, justthat whole aspect there.
Mm-hmm.
I remember living there.
I've never wanted to swear moreor to drink more.
Yeah.
Any place else that I lived.
'cause I could, don't tell me Ican't, you know, so, I mean, I
(12:58):
just can only imagine.
Having met some people from SaltLake that they're like, oh
Bryce (13:02):
There are some very attractive people in Salt Lake
City.
Yeah,
Elle (13:06):
this too.
So maybe we need a road trip.
You know, take this podcast onthe road.
Do a little road trip on thispodcast.
Oh, I like this.
I like this.
Let load ups the van with merchand
Bryce (13:16):
the equipment.
Elle (13:17):
Yeah.
We're gonna get t-shirts or tanktops.
Yep, we decided.
Go.
Tramp (13:20):
Now, Bryce, you mentioned that you like to meet people in
your travels.
Where are some of the favoriteplaces that you guys have gone
and just met people or just fora great kind of lifestyle?
Environment, if you will.
Bryce (13:35):
Well, I was just in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
Oh yeah.
And how was that?
Oh, let me tell you.
I think, we've done like desireand temptations mm-hmm.
And that's
Palmer (13:45):
easy and perfect.
Like that's, oh yeah.
Bryce (13:48):
We did Temptations twice so far, once with a big group,
and we went once by ourselves.
We like Temptations more, gowith a group type place.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas desire is more like acouple
Palmer (13:58):
good place to meet people.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Like if we're going somewhere inthe summer, like Scottsdale or
Dallas.
Dallas, we'll try to find a goodpool party.
Yeah.
Just kind of sexy vibe.
Bryce (14:10):
And it's so funny, inevitably we were in Dallas and
we went to the Virgin and wewere at their rooftop pool and
you just, oh, you just, you seea couple, you're like, oh,
there.
I
Elle (14:18):
know.
Totally.
You can tell.
And then you start
Bryce (14:19):
talking to'em.
Next thing, you start talkingabout trips to Mexico and then,
eventually mm-hmm.
One of those resorts pops up andthen you have have a ton of, all
right, but like once it'sfigured out, you're like, the
conversation from them is justeasy and just flows.
And you're just like, oh, thisis great.
And these are
Palmer (14:33):
people I know who you're talking about.
And these are people that weprobably had a maybe two hours
with and.
We're still Facebook.
Like you just, yes.
It's so easy to, once you knowsomebody's in the lifestyle,
it's so easy.
Just opens up everything.
The topic, just conversation.
Not even just, you know that, oh
Elle (14:51):
yeah, we're gonna go and have sex.
Mm-hmm.
It's like we can now talk.
Yeah.
All topics are around the table.
Mm-hmm.
I
Bryce (14:57):
think, but I think one of the tricky things around that is
how many people in their mindare like, oh, we're gonna.
Like hook up now, right?
When we're just having funconversations, I think that's
one of the things, especiallylike when we're at the ranch,
we'll see like a new couple walkin and we're like, oh, we should
go talk to'em.
Right?
But then like they're new.
They probably think everybodythat walks up to'em just wants
to have sex with them.
Where it's we just want to befriendly and like say hi.
(15:19):
But you just tell them that, youknow?
I mean, we
Elle (15:21):
do that all the time.
Don't want, guys are really.
Jay is amazing.
Yeah.
I mean, it's so funny becauseI've been in sales my entire
life and this seems to be theone place I'm okay letting him
run it.
And I'll just sort of, chill andhang out.
Bryce (15:34):
Like bring in the closer.
Right, right.
No, no, no.
No's time.
Elle (15:39):
Not even, not even that, but I have had to be on my whole
life.
Mm-hmm.
And this is a place I could justlike go be me.
Mm-hmm.
And just hang out, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But
Tramp (15:49):
I was gonna say, Bryce, you can always change that
opinion of people, the newbiesthat are coming in just eyes
wide open for sure.
And they're think anybody whosays hi is gonna want to just
sport, fuck us.
Just say, Hey, just welcome.
Just make them feel included.
And I think included,
Bryce (16:06):
I'll go up to'em, especially if I like, they're at
the ranch and.
Tramp (16:09):
Yeah,
Bryce (16:10):
they're
Tramp (16:10):
sitting on a couch just side by side,
Bryce (16:12):
just like trying to minimize themselves.
Looking super creepy.
Trying to be invisible.
Everybody, no, sometimes if I'msitting there by myself,'cause
I'll go there Uhhuh when she'snot around just to hang out.
'cause you know, you guys knowhow it is.
You just, it's like a local baris, but I'll see a new couple
come in and they'll come to thebar and set their alcohol down
and I'm like, I'm like, oh, youguys new.
And sometimes I'll give'em atour or everything like that.
(16:32):
Mm-hmm.
Which I think if I like, oh, Iwork here every once in a while,
maybe.
Comes across less creepy.
Okay.
He's, he's not just a
Tramp (16:40):
creepy dude.
Well, we've had plenty ofepisodes about creepy single
guys.
Elle (16:45):
Yes, yes.
We're trying to help.
We're trying to, I did a reallygood job.
Don't, yeah, I don't,
Bryce (16:50):
I don't think we've ever had an experience necessarily
with a single guy where we'relike, not at a ranch.
No.
Yeah.
We've never been approached bysomebody.
We're like, oh, that's creepy.
Or anything like that.
So,
Elle (17:01):
but do you guys go downstairs to play very often
because that's generally wherethe
Palmer (17:06):
creepy ones might be hanging out more.
True.
You have to either just go down,we'll go down to like a room,
just sometimes the two of us.
Yeah, sure.
A couple times we've ended up onthe big bed, and I think you
probably understand what I'msaying.
Mm-hmm.
Like you, you're there, but thenall of a sudden, like everything
around you just disappears.
Yeah.
And you don't notice thatthere's.
Other people, some guy sittingthere watching or whatever,
(17:27):
right?
But like right, you getimmersed, like you're very much
in your own.
It feels like you're in yourown.
Room right in this big roomuntil
Elle (17:34):
someone comes up to you later going, oh my God, you guys
were so hot.
And it's like, oh, you saw that,did you?
Okay.
We've
Bryce (17:39):
never had that experience.
I don't know what you're doingnow.
Elle (17:41):
Well, I must be doing it better.
Yeah, apparently.
Apparently.
Bryce (17:45):
Yeah.
I
Elle (17:45):
have no doubt that somebody has said that to you
too.
No, sorry.
I think we've
Bryce (17:49):
been on the big bed like three times and she's so right.
It's like,'cause she'll, youjust kinda like, she'll like,
let's go downstairs and get onthe big bed.
And I go down there, I'm like,oh, there's so many people I
can't like.
I should do some pushups firstisn't gonna help anyway.
But then yeah, once you get onthere, it's just, you just don't
even, everything just justappears that in, that you're
right, that zone and you don'teven realize that there's people
(18:10):
next to you, sometimes 20 peoplewatching.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (18:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it is nuts.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Don't necessarily have to be avoyeur.
So, tell us maybe some of yourbest experiences that you have
had, the two of you.
Mm-hmm.
In the lifestyle.
I'm gonna just sit back andwatch you answer this.
Palmer (18:30):
We have talked about this a lot, like leading up to
this podcast.
Um,'cause we don't, because ofhow intentional I think we are.
We haven't had a lot ofexperiences granted, we've been
together four years and havebeen doing this.
But, I think anytime somethingis.
Spontaneous.
(18:50):
If that makes sense.
Yes.
And we're not, um, closers,we're not, we're not, uh, we're
so bad we're, we don't know howto like get from, upstairs
dancing to just downstairs.
Like, okay,
Bryce (19:04):
we could have a couple like undressing in front of us,
like ready to go.
We'd be like, so should we getanother drink?
Whatcha guys gonna do?
Yeah.
Palmer (19:10):
So maybe that's something we should work on.
But anything that's spontaneous,when something's planned for me.
It too much pressure.
Yeah.
And then inevitably somebody hastoo much to drink or I'm just
tired or like, you know, oh, hita wall.
Anything.
Right?
Like the spontaneity of anysituation has, is probably like
a highlight for me.
Like a best kind of experience.
(19:33):
And we're, getting more brave.
We're like, you wanna godownstairs?
Like.
Yeah.
I don't know what that is.
Like a Yeah, I think like innatefear of rejection
Tramp (19:43):
it's, a double-edged sword because you guys are a
very attractive couple.
Yes.
So appreciate that.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Elle (19:49):
No, seriously.
Like you should be gettingoffers all the time.
I'm thinking
Tramp (19:53):
by the same token, people are going to be.
Yeah.
A little afraid of them beingrejected.
Yeah.
Saying, saying, Hey, we wouldlove to play with you guys.
And you say, uh,
yeah, just
like you were saying earlier, Palmer, where that fear
of rejection, uhhuh that innatefear of rejection and you want
to try to minimize it, but Ithink in the lifestyle, you just
(20:15):
kind of have to let it, let itfly and it is what it is.
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (20:20):
And that's should be part of it when you're that
comfortable around people.
It should be easy enough to,
Bryce (20:25):
and it's so funny because we'll be at the ranch and we'll
be like, oh, that's a cutecouple over there.
And we always will like go up tosomebody like, Hey, go talk to
them for us.
Oh my gosh, you guys we're inmiddle school.
Do not know.
We're like, get, get it.
Get.
Yeah.
There's certain people who justhave no fear and can go up to
any love probably.
But I love that Jay's really,that he'll just, and I'm just
like, God, I admire that somuch.
Palmer (20:45):
We have lots of friends.
Elle (20:48):
Well, and sometimes that's a little bit of a crutch when
you have so many friends isyou're hanging out and you're
talking and you're talking oryou're talking.
You're talking.
Yes.
For sure.
And it does seem for us, thespontaneity mm-hmm.
Are the people that are here outof town.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And of course they're here andthey're out of town and they've.
Drop the money and they haveplans.
Yeah.
Like they're planning on whetherthey talk, which is totally
(21:09):
fine.
Talk before.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And those tend to be thespontaneous situations that we
get caught up in.
And that tends to be on Sundayswhere it's a longer mm-hmm.
Period of time through the day.
And you have more chatting andit's more relaxed.
That it's that, oh wow, okay,let's go downstairs.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, I was notexpecting to do that at all
today.
Yeah.
But if you get caught up intotalking to the people that you
(21:31):
know, you have a tendency to,that's where you're gonna be.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
Bryce (21:36):
I think when we're at the ranch, we are generally just
talking to people we know.
Mm-hmm.
We just love hanging out thereand just kind of sitting on our,
in our little spot and justpeople watching
Elle (21:47):
and, mm-hmm.
Bryce (21:48):
Oh yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It's, oh, some of the bestpeople watching.
Oh,
Elle (21:50):
yeah.
We were downstairs last nightand standing next to another
couple, and she's like, okay, Idon't normally just sit here and
watch people.
Mm-hmm.
Like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
The people watching Yes.
Is.
Top level.
Yes.
Bryce (22:02):
You know, it's almost worth the price of admissions.
Oh, for sure.
Elle (22:06):
For, and sometimes it's just so sexy uhhuh.
It's like, I don't even, ohyeah.
I don't need to be in the middleof that.
Yeah.
I'm just gonna stand back hereand watch this.
Seeing all the outfits and like,yeah.
Bryce (22:15):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
We love just.
The themes and seeing people getdressed up.
And it's so funny because at theranch, I can sit there and see a
girl.
I'm like, oh my God, I love heroutfit.
Like, or she's just looks, she'sjust pretty, and I can give a
compliment like that.
Yeah.
And but we were out at just anormal bar the other night and s
bartender girl, she just wasclassically.
(22:35):
Mm-hmm.
Very pretty.
Yeah.
And I felt since it was a normalvanilla club that I couldn't
tell anything.
Her that because I, like, I, Idon't know.
Mm-hmm.
But you didn't, she was veryappreciative, but yeah,
Elle (22:48):
sometimes, yeah.
I think it's less, intimidatingcoming from the woman, coming
from female than from, the man.
Well, yeah.
Whereas at at the ranch or atanother club, you can just say
it.
Yeah.
I always appreciate it.
Yeah.
When someone says something tome, yeah.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
It feel good.
It's like, oh good.
Well I put effort in.
Thank you for noticing.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Bryce (23:07):
And that's why sometimes like even vanilla friends, it's
like, God, if they just camehere on a, a night and realize
that, it's not just a bunch ofpeople hooking up.
Right.
You can just look great.
A woman that should getcompliments mm-hmm.
From anybody and, yeah.
Yeah.
It just makes people feel goodand
Elle (23:23):
mm-hmm.
I have a, girlfriend that I'veknown.
For 25 years, and when Jay and Ifirst started dating, I had let
her know that we were, dabblinginto the lifestyle.
So she's been aware of that, andshe's a single woman and I have
been trying to get her to cometo the ranch for mm-hmm.
Five years because it is a veryopen place.
(23:43):
You can feel good aboutyourself.
Mm-hmm.
There's really no judgment and Ithink.
Mentally, it would be aphenomenal place for her to go.
Mm-hmm.
And she won't do it.
It's like, okay, you're notgonna walk in.
And there's an orgy when youwalk in and people think that
and it's not.
And so just to have that,openness,
Palmer (24:01):
I feel like particularly women just have this idea in
their head that it's just gonnabe like, everybody's like
perfect looking right.
What I love about.
The ranch is, it's to each theirown.
Wear what you're comfortablewith.
Wear what makes you feel good.
Yes.
Look how you wanna look.
Everybody's different.
It's so body positive.
It's very inclusive.
It's, that's one of my favoritefor women, to come and
(24:23):
experience that.
Like you don't have to feel over
Elle (24:26):
self-conscious about your body shape or how you look.
It's more how you feel.
Yeah.
And then that's what getsprojected.
Tramp (24:35):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Confidence is sexy goesincredibly goes wrong way.
Right?
Elle (24:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (24:40):
And I, have to interject a little bit with my very first
experience was not jumping intothe deep end.
Mm-hmm.
Like we talked about earlier,but during the pandemic, trying
to figure out where to go onvacation and ending up at Desire
Pearl.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And even though there weren't a lot of people, because
it was during COVID.
Mm-hmm.
It just opened so many eyes and.
(25:02):
Breaking through thoseuncomfortable barriers and just
being able to relax in thatenvironment and thinking, wow,
this is really sexy.
And it makes me feel reallygood.
Palmer (25:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, it's amazing.
Tramp (25:14):
And the ranch, I feel like this is a big commercial
for the ranch, but Yes.
As opposed to a lot of clubs.
Mm-hmm.
And I've been to other clubs inother cities where, just like
you had mentioned earlier.
It's just people are DTF.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And that's,
Bryce (25:30):
we have been to one other club or two other clubs, and
this isn't like a just bigcommercial for the ranch, but
the ranch is, just set updifferent.
The lighting's different.
It's not what it is in otherplaces.
It's upscale.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not
Elle (25:48):
dark and seedy.
Yeah.
You're going in knowing what toexpect.
Mm-hmm.
This used to be a steakhouse.
Yeah.
It still has that upscalesteakhouse feel to it.
So that's why people are sosurprised when they walk in and
they're like, wow.
You know?
Yeah.
Bryce (26:03):
But I think that's also why it's a great place for
people that are.
Dipping their toe in Yes.
Is what they say.
But yeah, it's also a greatplace with people that maybe
they don't even want to be inthe lifestyle.
They want to be lifestyleadjacent and just have that
freedom to dress how they wantto dance, how they want to be
who they are.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that that's.
(26:24):
I think that people that thinkabout the lifestyle, they don't
think about that aspect.
Right.
If you're not a lifestyle, youjust think it's people hooking
up all the time.
That's it.
Just sex all the time.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (26:32):
I'm finding more and more people that are there because
they like to be around peopleYeah.
That are free and open.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be a sexthing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bryce (26:41):
Lifestyle Jason Or lifestyle lightness.
Elle (26:43):
Yeah.
I, yeah, I agree with both ofthose terminologies.
Tramp (26:46):
That's part of the reason why I think Sunday fun days are
something that is.
Quite frankly, justunparalleled.
Yeah.
Most clubs nationwide will not offer something like
that.
It's They don't, they don't,they don't have the outdoor
space.
Right.
They don't have the, yeah.
But it's great to hang out andhave fantastic conversations.
So it's like you go
Palmer (27:07):
from like.
Saturday night, just look inSanta and then Sunday you roll
in and like yoga pants.
I might have put
Elle (27:13):
mascara on and my hair's in a ponytail.
It might be from last night.
I and I, yeah.
Right.
And I don't care.
And no one else does.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
I refer to it as adult summercamp.
Mm-hmm.
Because people are just walkingaround, they're chatting or
they're playing cornhole, orthey might be playing volleyball
or going down the slide.
Yeah.
And we get that opportunity tojust.
S Chill.
Mm-hmm.
(27:34):
And, and be.
Mm-hmm.
And that there's, there'snothing better than that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well that just turned into ahuge commercial.
I know.
And, um, as, they are now one ofour sponsors, I would just like
to give a special shout out tothe Scarlet Ranch North
America's premier, upscale,private lifestyle destination.
(27:58):
If you've been listening to ourshow as.
Especially today, you know, manyof our guests are regulars
there, and it's no wonder whypicture this.
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the night gets a littlesteamier.
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(28:19):
ranch.com and let your nextadventure begin.
Bryce (28:23):
I love that.
Yeah.
I support that message.
I,
Elle (28:26):
right.
I think we all do.
Yes.
Tramp (28:28):
Well, Bryce and Palmer, in kind of closing here, is
there anything else that youguys wanted to mention?
Or
Elle (28:36):
advice to
Palmer (28:37):
give?
Elle (28:37):
Advice?
Advice, anything to people?
Palmer (28:39):
Take it slow.
Yeah.
It's not going anywhere.
If you're looking for a four wayconnection, take it really slow.
Yeah.
It's not gonna happen overnight.
It could take years.
If that's not your thing, stilltake it slow.
Yeah.
Have, have dinner.
You authentic in yourcommunication.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Be true to yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Bryce (28:56):
Yeah, don't just jump in, make good friends.
I feel like a lot of people thatlisten to these podcasts are
probably.
Haven't done anything yet.
They're just curious about itand they're trying to learn from
it.
Mm-hmm.
The biggest thing is you can kind of make it what you
want to make it.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Like they said, there's peoplethat we meet or there's people
that show up at the club, maybethey go once or twice a year.
Right.
And that's just the thing.
They go there that night to,Hey, we're gonna do this to
(29:17):
spice up our relationship onenight.
And that's great.
It can be whatever you want itto be.
It doesn't have to be what?
It was when you first started,it can evolve, right?
It's a living experience, so itcan evolve into what you want it
to be and you don't have to.
Do things you don't want to doand mm-hmm.
No, you can still have fun.
Elle (29:34):
There's, no steadfast rules on what to do.
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's truly unique foreverybody.
Tramp (29:39):
And, and I would insert that you shouldn't do things No.
You don't want to do, even ifyour partner may want
Palmer (29:44):
Yes.
Tramp (29:45):
Something there's Yeah.
Bryce (29:46):
Taking one for the teams should not.
Palmer (29:49):
I know.
And I think that's the, youknow, you get in, you're excited
and, but take it slow.
Yeah.
Elle (29:55):
And he's up on the booze.
Yes.
Because that leads to moreregrets than anything else.
For sure.
And you wanna rememberexperience?
Bruce has
Bryce (30:02):
never led your regrets
Palmer (30:05):
talking about No, that's a, yeah.
If you visit the ranch, take iteasier anywhere.
Your first Yes.
Yeah.
Your first experience.
Elle (30:11):
Mm-hmm.
Enjoy it and be present.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bryce (30:15):
If you're new to this and you're thinking about getting
into it, don't hesitate to.
If you're on a, an app orsomething like that, reach out
to a couple or you, maybe yousee that they've been in for a
while and just ask questions.
Mm-hmm.
We're everybody that's in itloves to talk about it.
Yeah.
And just what a great experienceit is.
And so you can gain a lot ofinformation talking to people
(30:38):
and learn from their experiencesabout their experiences.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (30:42):
There are highs and lows in everything in between.
As we say, yes.
Let other, let other people makethe mistakes.
Elle (30:46):
Right, right, right.
Tramp (30:48):
Well guys, thank you so much.
Yeah.
It has been so much fun havingyou guys.
I've excited.
Is it over?
That wasn't long enough.
Oh,
Elle (30:56):
we're, we're not done.
Oh, no.
Is this intermission?
No.
Yes, this is the pause.
Oh, good.
This is the pause.
Tramp (31:02):
So I'm gonna call out a certain geographic.
Area of people this episode,because Elle, how many emails do
you think we got from ourChicago land friends?
Elle (31:15):
I believe it was zero.
Yes, it was.
I'm very disappointed inChicago.
And we're going to have to callon another area to see if they
can come through
Tramp (31:25):
for us.
Yes.
So I'm gonna broaden it out alittle bit.
And the second largest singlegeographic is Florida.
Elle (31:31):
Okay.
Florida, between
Tramp (31:32):
Miami, Orlando and some further out points,
Elle (31:36):
we know we have a lot of people and you went on some
trips there.
I have.
So I know for a fact thatthere's at least 10 people who
have listened to us in Orlando,in Florida, in the Florida that
you personally know.
That I personally know.
So I think that somebody needsto jump on that.
Tramp (31:53):
Okay.
For us, so we do have an A MAthis week, but just to push it
out, we're we want some AMAsfrom our Florida friends.
Elle (32:00):
Yes.
Tramp (32:01):
This week's a MA comes from our friends, the mountain
foxes, and the question is, atwhat point did you consider
yourself to be a swinger or inthe lifestyle?
Now they have two very differentpoints of view with this, where
one says that when they firstvisited the ranch and.
(32:27):
The interaction didn't lead toany kind of soft swap or full
swap or anything of that nature,but it was definitely beyond
boundaries as far as otherpeople touching your partner,
for example.
Or was it your first either fullor soft swap experience?
Which one?
Is there one that constitutesone way or another to say I am
(32:48):
in the lifestyle or not?
Palmer (32:52):
I think.
That you either don't know whatthe lifestyle is like you've
never even heard that term.
And then you do for some reason.
I think you had a podcast aboutthis, there's kind of subsets,
right?
Like there's kink community,right?
There's different, I think maybelifestyle's a big umbrella.
Like we know people that onlycome to the ranch just to dress
(33:14):
up and yes, be a little flirty.
Mm-hmm.
But I.
If they were to be asked ifthey're in the lifestyle, I
don't know if what they wouldsay, again, what about you?
Me?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Where was the moment?
In a therapist's office who wasvery open about, what my ex and
I were trying to do.
And she just said, well, that'sthe lifestyle.
(33:35):
And I'd never heard that termbefore.
And so there, that's a veryprobably different answer than
you were looking for.
'cause okay.
It was when I had heard about itand I thought, okay, well we're
trying to do this.
Falls in line with.
What you're describing.
So I, I guess that's lifestyle.
Tramp (33:50):
I would just say there's no wrong answer.
No,
Palmer (33:52):
there's no.
Tramp (33:53):
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (33:53):
And it can be whatever you want it to be or make it,
or, or little as, yeah.
Or as much mm-hmm.
As you want it to.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah,
Elle (34:00):
I think it is kind of,, white out there with a broad
spectrum mm-hmm.
Of moments where, oh, we'reswingers.
Yes.
Palmer (34:07):
You know, because I feel like if you say, I'm in the
lifestyle based on this or notthat.
Doesn't leave it open to yougetting to create your own kind
of path with it.
Mm-hmm.
Whether you wanna just be reallyslow and intentional,
situational, adjacent, whatever.
I think having a hard, I didthis, so now lifestyle is kind
(34:27):
of a tough,
Bryce (34:30):
I think my first experience in it.
It wasn't necessarily so muchlifestyle for me.
Mm-hmm.
But
I think for you and I, I think we just took it so slow
that all of a sudden you justlike, wake up, you're like, oh,
okay.
Or I think we're,
Elle (34:44):
we're in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
But
Bryce (34:46):
it's, but it's still like our, again, our lifestyle is, I
call it lifestyle light.
Mm-hmm.
Like
it's, we're not super in, we don't play a lot, but we're
mm-hmm.
You know, obviously we're at theranch a lot.
But I think you guys are in itfor the social.
Mm-hmm.
More so the social aspect.
More.
More so the social.
But we definitely, I mean, oneof our first experiences was
(35:06):
with somebody here at thistable, so,
Elle (35:08):
well, it wasn't me, so
Bryce (35:12):
we're saving the best for life.
Um, but I mean, it was verylike, probably just parallel
play.
Spontaneous, spontaneous fact.
I know that night you're talkingabout, it was very, you talked
about it.
You gotta listen to past podcastyourself.
But I think that was maybe oneof our first, okay, we're, that
was a good, yeah, get us into itand mm-hmm.
(35:32):
Again,
Elle (35:33):
spontaneous, it wasn't planned out.
You're like, okay, we're gonnago to dinner and then we're
gonna have a drink, and thenwe're gonna go to someone's
house and then we're gonna, dothis and that.
It was, oh, look at us.
We're just having a sexy timeand this is good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (35:46):
I would venture to say that there's not one act or
something definitive.
Mm-hmm.
It's a frame of mind.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah.
So if you find yourself we go to the ranch, or to any
club.
Mm-hmm.
I, I'm just, I just wanna spreadit out.
Or you actively seek lifestyle,at least lifestyle adjacent,
whether it be temptation ordesire or hido or whatnot.
(36:07):
If you actively seek thosethings out
mm-hmm.
You
don't necessarily have to jump in the deep into the pool.
Yeah.
But
if that's your groove and you really enjoy that
Bryce (36:19):
hell
Elle (36:20):
mm-hmm.
That's it.
Your lifestyle.
Yeah, sure.
Bryce (36:22):
And I think that that's what scares so many people off
from the term lifestyle, or isanything, is they think that you
have to jump in and next thingyou know, that's a full-blown
like orgy going on.
Not that it's what now?
I
Tramp (36:34):
have been in those and those are a lot of fun to, to be
fair, I'm not, I'm not sayingthat you don't, please do not
dis I'm not saying you don't getthere, but,
Elle (36:41):
but I think there's a difference, lifestyle, like you
said, is, encompassing a lot ofdifferent things.
Yes.
It could be kink, it could beswinging, it could be, and then
swinging, you know, is thequestion then, are you a
swinger?
Mm-hmm.
And a swinger isn't so much amindset.
It is you and your spouse or youare playing with.
Other people.
(37:01):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And um, so maybe that's wherethe terminology is, different
lifestyle is just encompassingan attitude, like you said.
I agree with
Palmer (37:08):
that.
I think you'll probably notice,we were talking about this
before at the ranch.
It's trending towards a, a muchyounger generation starting to,
and I think that's just theirmindset.
I think that's their normal isRight?
Like we are open.
We're, which is great.
I love it.
Yeah.
But yeah, you kind of notice ashift in.
Right.
Like, they're like, what'slifestyle?
(37:29):
We just, this is just what wedo.
This what we do.
Elle (37:30):
Yeah.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and so normalizing it.
Mm-hmm.
Whereas for us, it's like woo
ooh.
Yeah.
Lifestyle.
And I, I think next
Tramp (37:38):
10 years is gonna be very interesting.
Mm-hmm.
To watch, just to watch and seehow it all unfolds.
Particularly with a youngergeneration coming in.
Yeah.
Would you say that thedemographic potentially is.
Maybe dropping a little bit.
Yes.
Because yes, I
Palmer (37:52):
think so.
Tramp (37:52):
Traditionally it would be, or I'm just getting older.
I don't,
Elle (37:56):
and just everybody's younger.
We don't age.
Come on, let's, well, that isthe beauty of this.
It helps you to not age.
Yeah.
Yes.
You know?
Well, you
Tramp (38:05):
take care of yourself.
Yeah.
Right.
You do.
'cause
Elle (38:07):
there, you know, you want to project something sexy and
Oh, absolutely.
You know, attractive to anyoneelse.
Mm-hmm.
And yourself.
I mean, I find most of this isso that I feel good about me.
Mm-hmm.
If you like how I look, then that's fantastic.
What a great bonus.
But I feel good about how Ilook.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's, a focus.
(38:28):
Oh, a hundred percent.
You know?
Yeah.
And I
Bryce (38:30):
think that's one of the things, like if you're out with
vanilla friends and you likeyour friend's, you know, partner
looks nice and you want to givethem a compliment, you're
hesitant to do that becauseyou're like, I don't wanna piss,
like
Yeah.
Offend
her or offend him, or offend anybody.
Whereas in the lifestyle, nomatter where you're at, you can
do that.
And.
You're not offending anybody.
It's well, hopefully not right.
(38:52):
We've all come across thosesituations.
Where did
Elle (38:54):
you just talk to her?
Right?
Well, you know, it's so funnybecause about a month ago I was
at my high school reunion and Iwas giving a hug.
To a guy friend that I've knownfor, oh, maybe years.
And, I gave him a kiss on thecheek.
Mm-hmm.
It was a kiss on the cheek andhe's like, oh, hey, so we're
(39:15):
doing a kiss on the cheek.
Are we?
And I'm like, oh shit.
Is that not acceptable?
Damnit seemed like it wasnatural
Bryce (39:22):
in the late nineties when you graduated high school.
It wasn't like that.
Oh, you're so funny.
So that's the,
you're
Elle (39:27):
so
Bryce (39:27):
cute.
Palmer (39:27):
I wish we get a lot of stuff So sweet.
I think, I don't know.
We talked about this the othernight.
We went, there were like 20 ofus.
We went to a play downtown.
Elle (39:38):
Mm-hmm.
Palmer (39:38):
Yeah.
Um, and took a big group pictureand posted it.
And I'm examining the picture,like we all look good, like
we're all wearing, right?
Sure.
Something cute, sexy.
But somebody's friend had made acomment on our picture.
That says something about, isthis a swingers convention?
Or, and I, oh, shit.
I'm looking and looking at thepicture like, like what
would've, we're all with ourpartners, we're all like, you're
(40:00):
dressed.
What's giving this away?
Bryce (40:02):
If you are older and you get dressed up, sexier like
that.
Yeah.
People aren't used to seeingthat in Right, in typical like
suburban life.
Mm-hmm.
And so when they see it, it'slike, oh, well, what's going on?
What's going on here?
Yeah.
I think
Tramp (40:17):
I would reframe it a little bit.
In that picture, you could seethat people put in the effort.
Effort.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's not just so why are youputting the effort?
Yeah.
It's not just for the evening.
It's whether they, they lookamazing and they've been to the
gym, obviously, but they want tobe the best version mm-hmm.
Of themselves.
Elle (40:34):
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
And, maybe other people our agedon't.
Mm-hmm.
See that they need to do that.
Mm-hmm.
I'm sorry, I wanna live the bestlife I can.
I know.
Bryce (40:45):
In the lifestyle.
Yeah.
Get you get dressed up and getsexy and feel good every like
once a month, if not, and that'shealthy for everybody's.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (40:53):
Well, and seriously, you guys always look outstanding.
The theme.
Well either with the theme oreven just dressed up.
I mean, Jay and I were talkingabout it before.
Bryce, you always.
Maybe not this morning, but youalways look, you know, but
you're talking, I went to BedEarth last night, said, I'm look
(41:14):
good for you.
And that's what I get.
No, no, no.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
But down to your shoes, you,it's, I mean, you make that
effort and it's, it's sowonderful when the men do that.
'cause so often you'll see thewomen do.
Mm-hmm.
And the guys just look like adude.
Yeah.
We have some
Bryce (41:31):
friends.
Some friends, and if he everlistens to this, he's, he'll
know who I'm talking about.
But just show us up in the samet-shirt and cargo shorts and,
Hey dudes.
Oh, come on, come on.
You know who you are.
Step it up.
Elle (41:42):
Right, right.
I mean, she made an effort.
You should too, because I'msorry, it's not just about Yes.
Palmer.
Getting attention from somebody.
You both want it.
Mm-hmm.
I just try to keep up with her.
Right.
Tramp (41:54):
That's fair.
Yeah.
Well, I think, and not to gettoo far off topic.
Mm-hmm.
But women in general, not onlydo you compliment each other
openly, you get compliments fromthe gentleman.
Mm-hmm.
Guys in general, we don't get a lot of fair.
Yeah.
I try to, if
Elle (42:10):
someone's made effort, I mm-hmm.
I will.
Yeah, let them know.
Yeah.
Because who doesn't want acompliment?
Right?
Of course.
For sure.
And that's going to make you doit more.
It is like, oh wow, okay, well Ihad somebody noticed, two people
notice that I made that effort.
I'm gonna do that again.
'cause that feels good, right?
Tramp (42:26):
Mm-hmm.
Or try to take it to the nextlevel and a little of the game.
Little attention to detail.
Of course.
Elle (42:31):
Yeah.
For sure.
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So Bryce and Palmer, this hasbeen simply amazing and we are
so thankful that you took timeto come and visit and talk with
us, and we are excited to haveyou both on.
Oh, we've been excited.
Of course.
Yeah.
I feel like this went by superfast.
Elle (43:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was easier than youthought.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tramp (43:58):
Just talking, talking.
We're gonna go ahead and wrap upthis episode.
And again, we are just sothankful that everyone listening
has chosen to tune in and listento us.
Elle (44:10):
I can't wait to hear what Florida has to say.
Yeah, I'm looking forward tothat too.
Yeah.
Bryce (44:15):
And we just wanna say when we were on a road trip, we
were flipping through podcaststo listen to lifestyle podcasts
because I can't listen anymore.
True crime.
'cause she's gonna end up havingwe too many ideas.
Yeah, I know.
I'm, don't you better notlisten.
But we listened to yours and weloved it, loved the format and
everything.
So we were so excited to be ableto.
Hop on here with you guys, soreally appreciate doing a great
(44:35):
job.
Appreciate being Thank you.
Elle (44:37):
We thank you.
We thank you know, I mean, Ilove that you're our fans.
It's been so fun in more, inmore way than one.
In more way than one.
Aw, that's even
Tramp (44:45):
nicer.
And, and even more so thatyou're.
We consider you guys friends.
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yes.
Palmer (44:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Tramp (44:51):
But everyone, if you need to reach out to us, we can be
reached at unapologeticswingers@gmail.com.
Our website is also unapologeticswingers.com, where you can find
links to all of our sponsors andepisodes and all that good
stuff.
Elle (45:08):
Yay.
So if anyone has an ask meanything, then please reach out.
We always enjoy having that.
It's some fun to listen to,right?
From a listener.
I wanna hear, I mean, we try tothink of what we can, but it's
fun to hear other people'squestions.
So any burning question you haveand let's, throw'em out there.
Don.
Shy.
Be shy, right?
Don't be shy.
Be honest.
Go for it.
(45:28):
Unapologetically anonymous.
It's really fine.
We won't, we won't say your nameif you don't want us to.
Until next time, I'm Elle
Tramp (45:36):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (45:37):
Be sexy,
Tramp (45:38):
be confident.
Elle (45:39):
Be unapologetic.
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