September 21, 2025 • 43 mins
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp, and everyone, as I say seemingly
every single episode, thank youfor listening and coming on this
journey with us as we mean it.
We do, we truly do as we coverthe lifestyle through our own
unique experiences, the highsand lows and everything in
between.
And today we are thankful tohave Maurice and Kat with us who
(00:33):
have been in the lifestyle for anumber of years.
Maurice (00:37):
Four.
We just separate, celebrated.
We separate.
We have not separated.
We have not separated.
We have not separated.
We just celebrated our four yearswing anniversary.
Tramp (00:45):
Okay, but you guys have been married for 27.
Okay.
Okay, so definitely some historythere and we're excited to hear
about your adventures andhopefully some misadventures as
well.
Kat (00:58):
There's, you know,
Maurice (00:58):
one or two.
Kat (00:59):
We have not very many.
Tramp (01:00):
Not many, but one or two.
Elle (01:01):
Yeah.
Well, and I would just like tosay, I've known.
Kat, Maurice for almost thatwhole time.
Yeah.
I feel like.
Yeah.
And we had met at, some eventsand I've always enjoyed having
conversations with them.
They have been really goodrecently in kicking some AMAs to
us, so they're outperformingChicago and Florida.
(01:22):
This is true.
So we're really happy to getthem on and maybe.
We can an answer any questionswe hadn't answered already.
But, I'm very excited for themto be here.
We've been talking about thisfor a while.
Kat (01:35):
Yeah.
We really enjoy your podcast.
It's a been a lot of fun.
Tramp (01:38):
Well, truly welcome guys.
Thank, thank you.
Elle (01:41):
My favorite part about talking to people is hearing
their origin stories, how theygot into the lifestyle.
So you just said you've beenmarried for 20 plus years and
you've been in the Lifestylesfor four.
So tell us please, how you.
Got to this wonderful place.
Maurice (01:56):
Well, there's a lot of, little vignettes along the way.
I would say that one of thefirst steps was going to a
gentleman's club early in our,relationship.
I can't remember if we were.
Married yet, or I don't think wewere not sure.
But it was the first time thatKat had ever gotten a dance and
(02:19):
the dancer ended up becoming herMary Kay sales girl.
All
Elle (02:25):
right.
Well that's a new
Maurice (02:26):
one.
Elle (02:26):
Yeah.
They
Kat (02:27):
went, they went to lunch.
Yeah.
I, I complimented her on howgood she smelled and she goes,
oh, well that's this and this.
And we just got talking, she'sgiving me a lap dance.
And we're talking, just likefriends.
Right.
Doesn't really surprise me.
Didn't to mention that she soldMary Kay.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
(02:48):
So
Maurice (02:48):
Benny, if you're out there listening, thank you.
Kat (02:50):
Yeah.
Yeah,
Maurice (02:51):
That was one little step.
I don't think it was the samenight, but I think sometime
shortly after that, my odometerhit 69, 69, 6 0.9 and we had to
pull over things like that.
Elle (03:03):
So, needless to say, sex has been a very important part
of your relationship.
Yeah.
As it should be.
Right?
Like the,
Kat (03:10):
like the time that we had sex on a runway.
Elle (03:14):
Like in a plane or on a car?
Car on the runway in a car.
Okay.
Parked the car on, on therunway.
Maurice (03:20):
I love the, I I have, I have so many questions right
now.
It was a small municipal airportand Okay.
It was,
Kat (03:28):
it was at night and
Maurice (03:30):
we, knew how to get on the field and Okay.
I knew most of the cops thatwere on duty that night and then
figured that the worst casescenarios would like, get the
hell outta here, get scolded.
Yes.
But, um.
Anyway.
From there, I think the nextstep in the process would've
been my 50th birthday party.
Elle (03:49):
Okay.
Maurice (03:50):
And the gateway drug, I think for, many people in the
lifestyle is going to Vegas andSure.
Hiring some professional help.
Tramp (03:59):
Okay.
Maurice (04:00):
Okay.
And silly me, I thought Kat wasjust doing it for me.
Elle (04:08):
No.
No, she wasn't, no, she actually
Maurice (04:10):
had a really good time with, uh, was, yeah.
Elle (04:13):
Yeah.
Kat (04:14):
It was my first time really being with a woman.
Elle (04:16):
So, that's something that you had thought about before,
that you had fantasized about,that you went
Kat (04:21):
Well, I, I, I had, but I hadn't really quite admitted it
to myself at that point.
Okay.
You know, I always.
Love looking at women.
I just think women are just,they're so beautiful, beautiful
and soft and just fi so wouldfind myself drawn to women, but
Okay.
It was like, no, I am married toMaurice.
And it just hadn't quite come tothe forefront yet.
(04:43):
Okay.
And when we were in Vegas, wejust had a really, great time.
And, uh,
Maurice (04:48):
and I wanted it to be special and not just for me, but
for her.
I actually shoot her out of theroom and put out a bunch of LED
candles and put rose petals allover the bed.
Know how hard it is to find rosepedals on the Vegas strip.
You'd think it would be a littleeasier.
It's not, huh?
It was so hard.
I called so many florists.
(05:08):
Finally found one.
But anyway, rose petals on thebed.
It was lovely.
Candles all over the place.
Lovely.
It was a really, really funevening.
Elle (05:15):
Aw, you made it special for your birthday, but for her
as well?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's, I figured
Maurice (05:20):
if she was giving me this gift, I might as well, make
sure that it was cool for hertoo.
Elle (05:24):
Now, Maurice, did you have an inkling that she would be
interested in this woman aswell?
No.
Oh, you thought, oh, I'm justgonna make her feel comfortable.
Yes.
That I am having thisexperience.
Yes, I had.
Well, that was nice.
No
Maurice (05:35):
idea that it was gonna
Elle (05:37):
turn into, oh my God, I'm watching my wife.
Maurice (05:40):
Exactly.
Oh, yay.
I mean, I thought she would.
Playfully kiss or something likethat.
I had no idea that it was go,gonna go any further than that.
Tramp (05:48):
You know when that kind of naturally evolves in that
way, it's a really sexy thing.
Yeah, I know.
I've witnessed it and it'spretty amazing because there's
the person that you care fordeeply and being able to just
enjoy it when they're enjoying.
Elle (06:06):
Yeah.
Tramp (06:06):
Is just next level for me.
Elle (06:08):
Yeah, you don't have that.
Oh my God.
What is she doing with thatwoman?
You know?
Mm-hmm.
And freaking out.
It was worse.
No, there was no freaking out.
More sexual for you.
It was, yeah.
Yeah.
Kat (06:19):
Oh, he was having a good time.
That's yay.
Yay.
Two thumbs up.
Elle (06:24):
So Kat, how did that sort of flow?
I mean, she came in
Kat (06:28):
I mean we, talked a little bit about what we like and Okay.
What we would like to do and.
We all got on the bed and atfirst it was the two of them.
Sure.
They were kissing and playingand fondling and doing all of
that.
And then I sort of jumped in andstarted kissing and playing and
fondling myself and, I justthought, I'm gonna give this a,
(06:51):
try and see what I think.
And
Elle (06:53):
I mean, went in Vegas.
Kat (06:54):
It went in Vegas.
Yeah.
And it was lovely.
Maurice (06:58):
The cool thing about, Clark County is you can prepay
your bail.
What?
Okay, I'm just kidding.
So many questions.
I'm just, I'm just kidding.
We can't think three barrelbusiness anyway.
Not that we did anythingillegal.
We didn't.
Elle (07:14):
Right.
Okay.
All right.
And then how did you guys gofrom there to fast forward to,
let's do this all the time.
Maurice (07:21):
COVID.
Okay.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Um, everyone's bored and horny.
Yeah.
And I was listening to the WeGot a Thing podcast.
Elle (07:29):
Okay.
Yeah.
Love, love them.
Yeah.
Maurice (07:31):
And on Walks at the dog park and hadn't told Kat that I
had been doing this yet.
21, our son comes home from,pride and I'm not home yet.
Kat is, and why don't you takeit from here?
Kat (07:49):
So he comes home from Pride and he says, mom, I wanna show
you something.
And he had purchased a bisexualflag.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I'm like, okay, well great.
And so he did, you
Elle (08:04):
know, it was a bisexual flag?
I mean, I knew it was a
Kat (08:06):
bisexual flag.
Okay.
Elle (08:07):
Yeah.
Okay.
'cause I just recently found outwhat the colors are, right?
Yeah, yeah,
Kat (08:10):
yeah.
I knew what that one was.
And so he was coming out to me.
Elle (08:15):
Yeah.
Kat (08:16):
And I said, well, that's that's great.
That's lovely.
And that's when it just sort ofpopped out.
And I said, so am I.
Elle (08:24):
Ooh.
Kat (08:25):
And he's like.
That's how I can talk to you soeasily.
Elle (08:31):
Hmm.
Oh,
Kat (08:32):
interesting.
You know, and so I felt
Elle (08:34):
comfortable to come home and say this because I felt that
we were a kindred.
Yeah.
Souls.
Yeah.
Kat (08:39):
It's like he kind of knew already, maybe.
And so we started talking aboutit.
He's very, very private abouthis relationships or lack
thereof.
But we just talked a little bitabout it and.
He said, well, that's reallygood to know.
And then, Maurice came home andI told him about the
(08:59):
conversation and he's like,well, now you tell me.
Yeah.
She
Tramp (09:05):
hadn't come out to me yet.
Well, I
Kat (09:07):
hadn't come out to anybody yet.
Tramp (09:09):
Well, it was the time and the place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's all it was.
Yeah.
Maurice (09:13):
So after we had our family moment of, discussion, I
think he was nervous to come outto me, but I don't think he was
shocked that I was going to beaccepting.
Okay.
So, we had our, family discussion and that was cool.
And then when Kat and I had amoment of privacy, it's like,
well, I've been listening tothis podcast and I think that.
(09:37):
The best opportunity for you toexplore that is for you to join
me in listening to some of theseepisodes.
And they were about to have anevent in Denver.
Mm-hmm.
And I said, look, this is gonna be in our backyard.
We're gonna kick ourselves if wedon't at least go and see what
these people are about.
Yeah.
(09:57):
So that's, uh, that's it.
Our son turned us into hiswingers.
Elle (10:01):
Not, not your normal.
Segue?
Yes.
Tramp (10:07):
Or maybe he just opened the door.
He facilitated the conversation.
Yes.
Yeah, exactly.
Elle (10:12):
Mm-hmm.
Because he doesn't know that youguys are swingers.
He, he does not.
Okay.
No, don't, as far we know.
Don't think he'd be shocked.
Do you think he'd be, I don'tthink he'd be shocked.
I don't think he
Maurice (10:23):
would want us to talk to him about it.
Elle (10:25):
Right.
I think he'd be right.
It's one thing to know, it'sanother thing to actually have
those conversations.
Right.
Which become very awkward forour children.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Fair.
And
Kat (10:31):
given how private he is about things Yeah.
That I think that it would beawkward for him.
But I don't think he'd beshocked.
I don't think he'd bejudgemental or anything like
that.
Right,
Maurice (10:42):
right.
We try to be careful about, likemost people, what you're wearing
when you leave the house, right?
And
Tramp (10:50):
yes.
Why Kat, why are you wearing atrench coat?
And it's like 90 degreesoutside.
Kat (10:56):
I've been known to, change, right outside in the parking lot
of the ranch.
You know, you can go in thebathroom and change that too.
I know.
I've been known to just.
She likes to make it entrance,just Ah, yes, of course.
Yeah.
I just get outta the car andjust change Nobody's Yeah.
No one's, no whatever.
Elle (11:11):
No, there's nobody at the place next door.
Kat (11:15):
I figure, you know, and even if they are, they've seen
it before.
Elle (11:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Certainly the fire departmentand paramedics across the street
have.
Oh yeah.
In there and Oh yeah.
Yes.
And know what to expect on aFriday or Saturday night.
That's indeed.
Yeah.
No
Maurice (11:30):
shots.
I think they probably when theyhave the opportunity to choose
what, station they get assignedto, that might be it.
I want that one.
Uh, let's see what we can do.
Elle (11:39):
Just like to point out does not happen very often.
You know the, thankfully theparamedics.
Yeah.
Thankfully you have to come in,but it's nice to know that
they're there quickly if someoneneeds some help.
Yep.
So
Maurice (11:50):
not that there's not a million people in healthcare in
the lifestyle that are alreadythere, right?
Elle (11:53):
There's always somebody willing to, jump in and help
out.
Yeah.
Tramp (11:56):
That is something I volunteers for mouth to mouth.
Mm-hmm.
That is something within thelifestyle I've always found, I
don't wanna say curious, but youdo have industry specific Yeah.
It, it seems to attract, whetherit's teachers healthcare or
healthcare teachers.
Police, military.
Military.
Elle (12:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And I think it's, a group ofpeople who are constantly
giving, that are willing to beso giving to other people that
wind up being very open to this.
Agree.
I hadn't
Kat (12:29):
thought of it that way.
Yeah.
And I think that's what I, thatmakes sense.
Elle (12:32):
I think that's part of it.
And it isn't so much that you'retrying to get something back,
it's just you're still giving.
Yeah.
And you just happen to then getit back from others who are, are
so open to giving.
Kat (12:43):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I like that.
Yeah.
Tramp (12:46):
Hmm.
Deep thoughts this Sundaymorning.
Yeah.
I got my sleep.
Kat (12:50):
Well, and it's, especially good, if you have a rough week
at work or something like that,that to be able to go to the
ranch and just be in a positiveenvironment.
Yeah.
And.
Be around people, other, othercool people and, and just who
are givers.
Who are givers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the swinger
Elle (13:10):
world is filled with givers.
Yeah.
It's, and you don't last ifyou're not.
Kat (13:15):
Right.
Elle (13:15):
I mean, I had thought about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't.
Tramp (13:19):
Well, and I know I've mentioned before probably
numerous times by this point,how when you do have
interactions with your vanillafriend group.
Whether you're going out todinner for drinks or whatnot.
Mm-hmm.
Quite frankly, it's boring.
The people in the lifestyle,they're fun to talk to.
Really.
(13:39):
No topic is off limits.
Elle (13:42):
Right.
Yeah.
Tramp (13:42):
So it's generally a fun conversation, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And engaging.
Elle (13:47):
And even if somebody has had a rough week or whatever,
and they.
Need to talk about it, peopleare open to hearing about it and
then maybe even just givingfeedback on and try to make them
feel better.
Yeah.
You know, you get that insteadof, oh, this person's droning on
again.
But it's, great, well, alright.
And then even still, it's amatter of oh, you know, I'm
(14:09):
sorry it was a terrible week.
How do we make this better foryou?
It doesn't have to be sex, butit's how do we make you feel
better?
It could be.
It is very well, could be.
Let me make you forget thatexactly.
With that week.
Maurice (14:22):
No, we've got some close friends.
Uh, none of whom we've come outto.
I've got one friend that I'vemanaged to say something and it
got very awkward and it wasyears ago.
It's never come up again.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay.
That's just not a conversationwe're ever gonna have thought we
could, but we can't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Okay.
I have friends and someone I'veknown for years, I mean, since
(14:43):
freshman in high school.
Yeah.
And he's probably my closestfriend, but that's just not a
conversation we're ever gonnahave.
Yeah.
Kat (14:50):
And I have friends that I think I, could.
Come out to, but the problem is,is I don't know if I could trust
them.
Right.
And I don't want them to go, oh,well guess what, you know, on
what I heard, blah, blah.
You know, well, guess what Kattold me, and Yes.
And I just, yeah.
I love them.
Yeah.
And that's great.
And I don't think they'd bejudgemental, but I just don't
(15:11):
think they'd be discreet.
Elle (15:12):
Yeah.
I have my hairdresser, he isgay.
His husband I used to work withat a company, and that's how we
got to know each other.
And I had wanted to come out tohim for so long, but he's also
still very good friends withsome employees, salespeople that
(15:34):
were under me.
And I love him, but he is gonnabe a little loose lipped.
But then there was the day thatI did come out and he's like,
actually not very surprised.
I'm like, I am totally.
Fearful that you'll saysomething to her and he's like,
oh, no, we can, we can barelytalk about the fact that we're
gay.
So it's like, I, I won't besharing that, but I think he was
(15:56):
really excited.
He goes, yeah, you're, the plus,you're the, you're part of the
LGBT, blah blah, you know,whatever.
So it was almost like he feltmore comfortable with Jay and I
because of that.
That's cool.
And that was kind of cool.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Maurice (16:12):
Listeners, go back and listen to that episode.
There's a lot of fun.
Tramp (16:17):
So Kat and Maurice, why don't you guys tell us about
some of your adventures andmisadventures You say you've
been in for about four yearsnow.
Maurice (16:26):
Mm-hmm.
Well, our first experience wasat the, we got a thing
convention, if you will, thatthey had, and it started like.
The pre-party was Wednesday andthen it went on Thursday,
Friday, Saturday.
Oh,
Elle (16:39):
wow.
Yeah,
Maurice (16:40):
it was a lot of, oh, it wasn't just a meet greet.
This was downtown,
Elle (16:42):
right?
Uh, they were
Maurice (16:43):
at the, hotel downtown.
We probably shouldn't say thename but we went on a hike at, A
lovely canyon near, the ranch.
And then we did a country inWestern Bar and then a meet and
greet and then saints and centernight at the ranch and went back
to the hotel and had one of theconference rooms set aside for
(17:05):
us and ended up having naughtycharades and.
And one thing led to another andpretty great way into it.
It really was.
Yeah.
And then it was a
Kat (17:14):
couple we had met on that first, like night before the
actual event officially started.
Mm-hmm.
It was just in the restaurantthat was in the hotel.
Mm-hmm.
And a bunch of us just met upthere and we had met this
couple, they were, from Texasand just really, hit it off with
them.
They were really, really nice.
(17:35):
And obviously we were lifestylevirgins at the time
Tramp (17:40):
and everything is new and exciting.
Everything is new and
Kat (17:43):
exciting.
And they were wonderful.
They were just absolutelywonderful.
They were so kind with us.
They were experienced.
They were experienced, okay.
They knew we weren't okay.
And just every step of the waythey were checking in with us
and making sure we werecomfortable.
They told us, what theirboundaries were and they were
(18:04):
very, very clear about that.
They were amazing.
It was probably one of the bestexperiences to this day that
we've had.
Yeah.
It's all
Maurice (18:12):
been downhill from there,
Kat (18:15):
yet
Elle (18:15):
you're still here.
Tramp (18:16):
Exactly.
Well, usually we hear from a lotof people that the first
experience isn't necessarily agood one, right?
Mm-hmm.
And I'm sure it turns a lot of people who are just
starting to explore thelifestyle away, but some
persevere and push through andrealize, hey, this can be.
A lot of fun.
Elle (18:35):
You learn from what didn't go right.
Mm-hmm.
To, okay, now it's clarifying.
You don't know sometimes whatyou don't know, although I hate
that phrase, but it's, no, it'sa great phrase.
Yeah.
You dunno what don't know untilyou experience, oh, okay.
We don't need to do that again.
And how would we do thisdifferently next time?
So if you don't take it as a,oh, well we shouldn't be doing
(18:58):
this.
This is not right for us.
And take it as okay.
That's what the situation was.
I liked this, this, and this,but I didn't care for that, so
let's not do that the next time.
Maurice (19:10):
The, one thing we had done a lot of was listening to
podcast episodes.
Yeah, I think that's key.
And we had just talked andtalked and talked about.
What could happen, what we mightencounter, how would we feel if
X, Y, or Z happened?
Elle (19:27):
So you're saying there was communication?
There was communication, there
Maurice (19:30):
was a a, there we go.
Huge amount of communication.
Yes.
You got your, your communicationpromo in Yes.
For the episodes not evenforced.
Um,
Kat (19:39):
unapologetic, swingers brought to you by communication.
Maurice (19:42):
Communication.
Um, and we had talked about.
Our biggest fear, and I thinkit's, is most, most people's
biggest fear is getting outed.
Alright, who could we see?
Who could we run into?
How would we handle that?
And figured, okay, now thatwe've talked about it
Elle (19:57):
mm-hmm.
Maurice (19:58):
There's no way it's gonna happen.
Elle (20:00):
Sure.
Maurice (20:01):
So our very first Sunday at the ranch, it's a
Sunday fun day, labor Dayweekend.
We sit down and five minuteslater our server is my client.
That fast.
Kat (20:15):
Oops.
Five minutes.
She's
Maurice (20:15):
not there.
She's not there anymore.
So,
Kat (20:17):
Oh no, but she was cool.
Yeah, she was cool.
Well, yeah,
Maurice (20:20):
but it was, are you kidding me?
A shock.
Five minutes.
I think that may be a record.
Elle (20:26):
How did you manifest that?
Well, it was just.
Maurice (20:29):
Oh, hi.
How's it going?
And then she's like, hi, can Itake your order?
I know.
Hello.
We're like, all right.
This is gonna be all right.
Yeah.
We're gonna get through this.
And since then we've run into afew more people that, we've
known in the vanilla world andYep.
You know, like everyone who hasencountered the situation
(20:50):
before, everyone's there for thesame reason.
Yeah.
Presumably no one's there for any malicious reasons.
No one's going to out you
Elle (20:58):
cause they don't wanna be outed either.
Exactly.
Maurice (21:00):
Right.
So it was a breathtakingexperience to begin with.
Sure.
But we very quickly moved pastit and everything's been fine
since.
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Nice.
Um, oh, also on that one, andthis reverts back to the, a MA
we asked a couple weeks ago.
When do you get to declareyourself in the lifestyle?
The part that was not includedin the question that I submitted
(21:23):
was Kat's first experience.
Was, am I gonna take my top off?
Am I not gonna take my top off?
Oh, fuck it.
They're just boobs off comes thetop.
Yay.
Boobs,
boobs are out.
And then a lovely gentleman had,sunscreen and noticed that she
had not yet had sunscreenapplied.
Elle (21:42):
Oh,
Kat (21:43):
I am transparent.
You,
Maurice (21:45):
she's very fair.
Kat (21:46):
Are a little translucent.
Yes.
Maurice (21:48):
So he.
Thoroughly applied sunscreenwhere it was most needed.
And as I'm typing the questionto you, does this qualify as
being the lifestyle as I'mtyping the words, like of course
we're in the lifestyle, thisguy's bottling my wife's boobs.
Elle (22:07):
Yeah.
That's bring it down to thebasics, right?
Maurice (22:09):
Yeah.
So that, that was first, and,and that was my first experience
with, other than the lovely,woman in, in Las Vegas.
That was my first experiencewith another gentleman fondling
her and was like, all right,this is pretty fucking cool.
Elle (22:23):
Okay.
I was gonna ask, how did thatmake you feel?
Yeah.
It was pretty
Maurice (22:26):
fucking cool.
Elle (22:26):
Okay.
Yeah.
Kat (22:27):
All right.
We both love watching each otherYeah.
With other people.
Mm-hmm.
Com conversion, reallyconversion is wonderful.
Really love it.
Yeah.
Elle (22:37):
And who knew that that was gonna be something that turned
you on?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't even know it was aword.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't even know the wordunless you're in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
I just, I don't see how youcould.
No, it, yeah, you'd have to havesome there.
Maurice (22:48):
There's really no other application for it outside of
this.
I don't
Elle (22:51):
think so.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Maurice (22:53):
And maybe if you cook a really nice meal for someone
with an ingredient you'reallergic to, so you know you
can't have it.
Elle (23:01):
Okay.
Maurice (23:03):
Like, I'm allergic to bananas, but I love them.
If I were to make you bananabread or something, they're
like, man, I really wish it, Icould have that, but.
I'm really enjoying that she'shaving it.
Elle (23:14):
Yeah.
Maurice (23:15):
That's the closest thing I see that I can think.
Okay.
That, that's all I've got.
That's
Elle (23:17):
a pretty decent analogy there.
Yeah.
I have, I just pulled it out ofmy eyes.
I, I think it was brilliant andweird.
Bananas.
Huh.
Okay.
Um, I, I, have a question'causeyou had told us a story earlier,
tell us your favorite theme fora party.
Maurice (23:36):
My favorite theme was a murder mystery dinner party we
went to.
I love this.
It was a situation like anymurder mystery dinner.
You have to interact with allthe other characters'cause
you're looking for clues to findout who the killer is.
And this
Elle (23:49):
is a lifestyle
Maurice (23:50):
event.
This was a lifestyle murdermystery dinner.
Kat (23:52):
Yeah.
At a house party.
At a house party.
Right, right,
Maurice (23:53):
right.
Okay.
And I very quickly picked up onone of the clues being that
bubblegum flavored lipstick wasleft behind at the crime scene.
So me being a thorough detectivehad to, kiss every woman there.
Right.
With consent, of course.
Sure.
Um, but it was a wonderful wayof breaking the ice with
(24:16):
everyone there.
Kat (24:17):
Yeah.
And I had so much fun, mycharacter was a former NFL
cheerleader, which is completelyopposite of who I am.
And, and I just got into it.
I had so much fun and.
I mean, it's like, okay, ifwe're gonna do this, let's do
this.
And just really had a good time.
I wish they would do anotherone.
(24:38):
So, because that was really,really fun.
Elle (24:40):
Maybe we need to do one.
Yeah, I think we get the stuffnow.
The question I have, did youfind somebody who had bubblegum
flavored lipstick?
Maurice (24:48):
I believe so.
I I it might've been just,wishful thinking.
It's
Elle (24:52):
tastes like bubble gum.
Yeah.
Lemme go in for another, anothertaste.
Maurice (24:56):
I'm gonna say yes.
I'm gonna say yes.
They did not turn out to be thekiller.
Oh, okay.
But yes, I think I foundcircumstantial Edit.
Yes, exactly.
Hmm.
Elle (25:04):
Interesting.
Intriguing.
Intriguing indeed.
I love it.
Maurice (25:09):
It was a great party.
Elle (25:10):
Yeah.
What about you, tramp?
What has been your favoritetheme that you've been to?
Wherever, whether it was atDesire or
Tramp (25:20):
right.
I think because just like a lotof men, I'm very visual.
Mm-hmm.
I have to say a theme thatinvolves sheer clothing.
Elle (25:32):
Okay.
To, to be perfectly honest.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter who's, yeah.
Tramp (25:35):
Yeah.
Whether be able to see curvesthrough the clothing or nipples
or mm-hmm.
Or whatnot.
It's, it's all fantastic to me.
Boobs and good blend.
Elle (25:44):
Yeah, I like
Kat (25:45):
that.
So like, steampunk is probablynot your thing because there's a
lot of clothing involved inSteam.
Yeah, A
Elle (25:50):
lot of leather.
Well, which is funny'cause Iwould say that was probably my
favorite.
It was my first theme party atthe ranch that Jay took me to.
But it's the corsets and the,the boobs are up.
I'm sorry, I was just touchingmy boobs.
You know, or the, it didn't gounnoticed.
I'll do it again.
It's so alternative to what weget to wear now.
(26:13):
And, Jay bought me these boots,these thigh high boots with go
on.
As Jay would say, slower, talkslower, but has like little bows
going down the side, butthey're, they're very, very fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maurice (26:29):
Anything
Elle (26:30):
with
Maurice (26:30):
a
Elle (26:30):
kilt,
Maurice (26:30):
I also enjoy.
Elle (26:32):
Right.
Yeah.
It's stepping out of yournormal, I mean, where else in
your life would you have six?
Plastic totes in the basementfilled with different costumes.
Yeah.
We
Kat (26:44):
have a closet full of costumes.
Yeah.
Elle (26:46):
I've gone through and I packaged them up and then I
wrote on the outside, this is meoutside of the tote.
You know what costumes are inthere, so I don't have to go
through five of'em to look forif anything is
Maurice (26:56):
gonna add us to our kid is gonna be Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, yeah,
Elle (27:00):
yeah.
Because I'm sure
Kat (27:00):
he's like.
You guys go to a lot of picnicsand you guys go to a lot of
costume parties, theme
Elle (27:05):
parties, like who does that?
Yeah, swingers.
Swingers do that.
I don't know who else.
But yeah.
Tramp (27:15):
So, outside of jumping right into the lifestyle and
experiencing all theexperiences.
Would you say that you have atop experience thus far?
Maurice (27:30):
The very first one was unforgettable, but it often is.
Yeah.
One of our favorites was at ahouse party and I had previously
spoken with this gentleman andknew that he was single.
And at this point in our journeyyou.
(27:50):
Single guys were not somethingthat was on our radar.
Mm-hmm.
And, and I, and I think we hadpretty much said that, yeah.
That's just not something wewanna seek out.
Kat (27:58):
Okay.
At least at that point.
Right.
At least at that point.
Mm-hmm.
Maurice (28:02):
So I had circulated to a different part of, the great
room.
And I saw Kat talking to thisguy, and then I saw Kat kissing
this guy, and that wascompletely within our
boundaries.
Mm-hmm.
Um.
And they're like, oh, okay,that's where this might be
going.
And then she's coming towards mewith him and Joe with a,
Elle (28:26):
I got an idea,
Maurice (28:27):
big grin on her face, and I, and I had already been
processing all of this.
Like I think she's about to askif it's okay to play with a
single guy and like, okay, yeah,why not?
Why not?
How do I feel?
Well, what was cool was thisparticular single guy was me 20
years ago.
Kat (28:44):
Okay.
Yeah.
Dark hair.
He's barely, he is 20 yearsyounger than me and dark hair,
beard, you know, blue eyes,handsome blue eyes, I mean, just
really, so you went really andreally, really smart.
Like okay, very educated person.
So we were having, in betweenthe kissing, we were having
great conversation.
That's nice.
(29:04):
But at first I didn't realize hewas a single guy.
Okay.
And then, he said that hispartner, was sick and she was
not able to make it to theparty, but he'd already already
paid and he still really wantedto come.
So he came on his own.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
You,
Maurice (29:22):
well, not entirely on his own.
Kat (29:25):
That was
Maurice (29:26):
later.
That was later.
Kat (29:28):
But, um, yeah, that was a, he was a really good kisser.
Yeah.
Just like Maurice here.
Do you
Elle (29:35):
need a moment?
I do.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
Turn the fans on.
Yeah.
Maurice (29:40):
Um, but what was funny was we ended up kind of all
focused on one corner of the bedand the bed broke.
Elle (29:48):
Oh no.
Maurice (29:49):
So we didn't wanna stop playing, but we couldn't play on
this bed.
So I went and grabbed the hostand said, Hey we need to go to
another room to continueplaying.
And by the way.
They have, in addition to theparty, you can pay an extra fee
for a room for the night.
Right.
So you have to drive home.
Yeah.
Which is great.
(30:09):
But we weren't gonna be able tosleep in the bed that's broken.
So I said, Hey, can you addressthe bed while we're downstairs?
Like.
The guy says, can you help me?
He's like no.
20 year ago, me is about to fuckmy current wife and I can't miss
that.
I'm not going to let this momentgo, I need to see this.
So he went and fixed it whilethe two of us went and took care
(30:30):
of Cat.
Cat.
Kat (30:31):
That was kind.
Yeah.
It was a lot of fun.
That was, I'm like, that was a,a great experie.
My God.
I have the two best looking guysin the whole house that are with
me.
Yay.
It was, it was really, we had areally good time.
Yeah, he was really, reallygreat.
That's awesome.
That is amazing.
Yeah.
Tramp (30:49):
Well, Maurice and Kat, thank you so much for the
stories and that origin story isdefinitely something else
Elle (30:58):
unique.
This is why we do this trip.
That's true.
Just because everybody's dyingto tell you the stories you
start of the podcast.
Yes.
Right.
Tramp (31:07):
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Maurice (32:19):
we have a shiru story, not, not much of the story, just
we can personally attest to.
Elle (32:25):
Okay.
Maurice (32:26):
Shivers being a, a lovely thing.
We, we've been using the libido.
Gummies.
Yep.
With great effect.
Oh, tell us.
Kat (32:35):
Well, like you said, they just make you feel really,
really good.
They make you feel relaxed.
I think that's a big part of itis that it's just helping you
relax, sort of helps you allowyourself to enjoy the experience
more.
Does it,
Elle (32:50):
Allow you to get out of your head?
Yeah,
Kat (32:53):
exactly.
Elle (32:53):
Okay.
Kat (32:54):
Exactly.
Maurice (32:54):
Let go.
Kat (32:55):
Mm-hmm.
Elle (32:56):
Love it.
Hey, you.
There's a little testament.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, what's our a MA today?
Tramp (33:02):
Okay.
Our A MA comes from a listenerlc, and she asks, how do you ask
for health status beforeplaying?
Do you demand to be shown or doyou trust?
Elle (33:16):
Oh, that's a great question.
Mm-hmm.
I think we've done it both ways.
We have been to parties where itwas a requirement.
You get tested beforehand andyou had to bring it with to show
people.
And then we've had others whereit's an established
relationship.
You do know and understand thatthey get regularly tested and
(33:39):
you trust.
And then with others, you usecondoms.
Tramp (33:44):
And I would also note that condoms don't necessarily,
they're not a foolproof
Elle (33:49):
no'cause protection.
They don't help with oral.
Mm-hmm.
And you can certainly transmitvia oral.
So it is a risk that you'retaking there, there's
Maurice (33:58):
absolutely just an assumed level of risk in the
lifestyle.
Right.
And you have to go into thisknowing that things can happen.
Yeah.
Um, and be prepared to.
Hopefully not freak out.
I know you had a, a falsepositive experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you just have to be prepared to deal with, with
(34:20):
things that come up.
And I think the overwhelmingmajority of possible experiences
are going to be something thatyou can manage,
Elle (34:30):
treat.
Yeah.
You said you were in thehealthcare.
Industry.
Is this something that you haveknowledge of?
No.
Okay.
All right.
This is just your prof.
No semi-professional opinion.
This is just
Maurice (34:40):
my personal opinion.
Yeah, I agree that, when we gotinto committed relationships, we
figured, okay, we don't have toworry about testing anymore.
Right.
That we're gonna be with thisone person for the rest of our
lives.
Uh, as soon as we started downthis path, we know that there
are risks.
Mm-hmm.
We have accepted those risks as a consequence of this
(35:03):
behavior.
Mm-hmm.
But it's worth it.
Nu neither one of us have hadany negative experiences, but
we're prepared to deal with itif it, if it does.
Yeah.
And we agreed we are a hundredpercent condom use.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And we get tested regularly, butwe've never asked anybody.
I've thought about how thatwould go.
Never actually done it.
I love the idea of a party whereyou have to check in and show
(35:28):
you have to be tested that weekbefore.
Elle (35:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But
Maurice (35:31):
even that's not, not a guarantee.
There are no guarantees, people,no.
Mm-hmm.
There isn't.
You just aren't, isn't
Elle (35:36):
you're, you're taking a risk.
Yeah.
Maurice (35:38):
But it's a fun, delicious risk, but get,
Kat (35:42):
get tested regularly.
Yeah.
No matter what.
Um, and when I went and I askedmy, doctor, I'm like, I
explained that well, I'm in thelifestyle.
And she said, what is thelifestyle?
I said, I'm a swinger.
Oh.
I said, I would like to gettested.
Could you order that for me,please?
Yes.
Quarterly.
And so she ordered it then, andshe said, all you have to do,
(36:06):
shoot me an email and I'll orderit just whenever you want it.
So, yeah.
Maurice (36:11):
Um, one awkward discussion and that's
Elle (36:12):
it, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's it.
And then they go, okay.
I, we appreciate the fact thatyou are trying to be on top of
this.
Right.
Kat (36:19):
Right.
Yeah.
And it's easy.
You just go pee in a cup
Elle (36:23):
or they draw blood.
Yeah.
Or they draw
Kat (36:24):
blood if it's, if you want HIV testing.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But like, it's so easy.
Do suck it up buttercup.
Two
Tramp (36:31):
people.
And I would also add on to thatbecause I've, been involved in a
situation where a lot of alcoholinvolved and things got carried
away.
It was a lot of fun.
Mm-hmm.
But being able to be the adult and say, okay.
That was beyond.
Now I need to cool my jets.
(36:53):
I need to go through the testingregimen just in case.
Be
Elle (36:56):
responsible.
Tramp (36:57):
Be responsible, before getting back out on the field,
per se.
Maurice (37:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we've had a broken condombefore.
Yeah.
Or you, you lose one.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
Yeah.
It broke into pieces I had to godigging.
Elle (37:10):
Oh, so that would be listed maybe on the, unfortunate
stories.
That would be an unfortunatestory, yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah,
Maurice (37:21):
because we were looking all over the room trying to
find, oh God, like, no, I thinkI might still be in there.
Oh, it'd
Kat (37:26):
still be there.
And it was Oh, oh.
Maurice (37:30):
But better to find it than undergo like toxic shock or
something.
Elle (37:34):
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
You wanna get that stuff outtayou?
For sure.
For sure.
Tramp (37:41):
Well, thank you guys for chiming in on that.
And unfortunately, Elle, we havenot received a single email from
our friends in Florida, which israther disappointing
Elle (37:52):
slackers.
Oh yeah.
Some people are just better atasking questions.
And I'm looking at two right nowand we appreciate that and I
would actually like to throwout, since now we have had
experience with doing a podcastwith Zoom I love interviewing
all our friends and people thatwe know and people that come up
(38:13):
to us at the ranch, but itdoesn't have to be a couple or a
single person that's here intown.
We certainly have the technologyto be able to answer questions
or have a conversation withsomebody.
That we don't even know.
So if I would like to just throwout there, if somebody feels
that they have a, an interestingstory and would like to share
(38:35):
it, because I think other peoplelearn from everybody's
interesting stories.
So the more that we hear, themore we expose it is a podcast
not.
A YouTube video.
Um, but that, you know, feelfree to expose if you want,
Derek.
I, yeah, sure.
For sure, for sure.
Check out our Cassidy profile.
But, I'd like to throw it outthere that if somebody thinks
(38:57):
that they have a fun story totell and would like to talk with
us, that maybe we could, get Jayon the technology and, set
something up for,
Tramp (39:06):
of course we
Elle (39:07):
can a later date.
I like that.
Yeah.
More stories.
More stories.
They're fun.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Every and everybody has them.
You can't be in the lifestyleand not have stories.
No.
So really seriously, we couldinterview anyone.
Kat (39:21):
Yeah.
Elle (39:22):
We've been trying to get somebody on who we feel is
lifestyle adjacent that theydon't even play.
And some people areuncomfortable about having their
voices out there and that'sfine.
Totally understand that.
But I think it's important forpeople to hear the stories of
those that just live on theside, and like to watch other
people have sex or like to bewatched having sex, like to be
(39:45):
around the sexy people.
Mm-hmm.
Like to be around the open andpositive, sexually positive
environment.
I thought last
Maurice (39:51):
week you said that was lifestyle.
Elle (39:54):
I.
Wow, you calling me out, grace?
No,
Maurice (39:59):
no,
Elle (39:59):
no.
But yes, like, like I said, it'sa, I'm putting it out there
again.
Maurice (40:02):
No, no, no.
I believe you're right.
If you feel like you are part ofthe lifestyle, then you're part
of the lifestyle.
Agreed.
This is a very warm, opening,inclusive community where if you
want to be a part of us, wewelcome you.
Kat (40:18):
Yes.
Elle (40:19):
Right?
Yeah.
Kat (40:20):
It's a very broad definition.
Maurice (40:22):
Very
Elle (40:22):
much so.
Mm-hmm.
And
Maurice (40:24):
who needs labels
Elle (40:24):
anyway?
Kat (40:25):
Yeah, exactly
Elle (40:26):
Right.
We get too caught up on that.
Let's just have fun.
Maurice (40:29):
Exactly.
Elle (40:31):
Wink, wink.
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Maurice (41:24):
We're heading there right from here.
Elle (41:26):
Right.
Sunday.
Fun day.
Exactly.
Watch a little football hangout.
Be around good people.
Heck yeah.
Maurice (41:30):
Halftime blow jobs.
Elle (41:33):
Yes.
Where else can you say that?
That's awesome.
Tramp (41:40):
Well, guys, thank you so much.
Just not only with Maurice andKat here, but just everyone
listening, just thank you for
Elle (41:50):
continuing to be there with our journey.
Tramp (41:51):
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
As it continues to evolve andexpand and.
We just have all theseincredible new experiences and
make some, quite frankly,incredible new friends.
Kat (42:02):
Thank
Elle (42:02):
you
Kat (42:02):
for having us.
Hey.
Hey.
We
Elle (42:04):
appreciate it.
Coming all the way over.
Maurice (42:08):
It was on, it was on the
Elle (42:09):
way.
That's really how we planned it.
Yes.
Oh,
Tramp (42:14):
but everyone, if you'd like to contact us, if you have
an a MA our email isunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
We also have a website.
Unapologetic swingers.com andwherever you happen to be
listening to us, the biggest askthat we have is just leave us a
review.
Right?
Hopefully all good things, butif not, maybe just email us
(42:35):
privately.
That's okay.
If there's something that weneed to improve on.
I haven't done that.
I'm sorry.
Oh,
Elle (42:40):
I did, meet a couple last night that said they had sent
us, a cup of coffee or two, sothank you for that.
Of
Tramp (42:46):
course.
Thank you guys.
Yes.
That's something I really don't.
Mentioned very often, but
Elle (42:50):
no, but it was nice that somebody had, yes, thank you.
Had made that attempt.
We appreciate it.
Maurice (42:55):
And we're Mountain foxes on Cassidy,
Elle (42:57):
right?
Check them out.
Until next time, I'm l and I'mthe tramp.
Be sexy, be confident.
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp, and everyone, as I say seemingly
every single episode, thank youfor listening and coming on this
journey with us as we mean it.
We do, we truly do as we coverthe lifestyle through our own
unique experiences, the highsand lows and everything in
between.
And today we are thankful tohave Maurice and Kat with us who
(00:33):
have been in the lifestyle for anumber of years.
Maurice (00:37):
Four.
We just separate, celebrated.
We separate.
We have not separated.
We have not separated.
We have not separated.
We just celebrated our four yearswing anniversary.
Tramp (00:45):
Okay, but you guys have been married for 27.
Okay.
Okay, so definitely some historythere and we're excited to hear
about your adventures andhopefully some misadventures as
well.
Kat (00:58):
There's, you know,
Maurice (00:58):
one or two.
Kat (00:59):
We have not very many.
Tramp (01:00):
Not many, but one or two.
Elle (01:01):
Yeah.
Well, and I would just like tosay, I've known.
Kat, Maurice for almost thatwhole time.
Yeah.
I feel like.
Yeah.
And we had met at, some eventsand I've always enjoyed having
conversations with them.
They have been really goodrecently in kicking some AMAs to
us, so they're outperformingChicago and Florida.
(01:22):
This is true.
So we're really happy to getthem on and maybe.
We can an answer any questionswe hadn't answered already.
But, I'm very excited for themto be here.
We've been talking about thisfor a while.
Kat (01:35):
Yeah.
We really enjoy your podcast.
It's a been a lot of fun.
Tramp (01:38):
Well, truly welcome guys.
Thank, thank you.
Elle (01:41):
My favorite part about talking to people is hearing
their origin stories, how theygot into the lifestyle.
So you just said you've beenmarried for 20 plus years and
you've been in the Lifestylesfor four.
So tell us please, how you.
Got to this wonderful place.
Maurice (01:56):
Well, there's a lot of, little vignettes along the way.
I would say that one of thefirst steps was going to a
gentleman's club early in our,relationship.
I can't remember if we were.
Married yet, or I don't think wewere not sure.
But it was the first time thatKat had ever gotten a dance and
(02:19):
the dancer ended up becoming herMary Kay sales girl.
All
Elle (02:25):
right.
Well that's a new
Maurice (02:26):
one.
Elle (02:26):
Yeah.
They
Kat (02:27):
went, they went to lunch.
Yeah.
I, I complimented her on howgood she smelled and she goes,
oh, well that's this and this.
And we just got talking, she'sgiving me a lap dance.
And we're talking, just likefriends.
Right.
Doesn't really surprise me.
Didn't to mention that she soldMary Kay.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
(02:48):
So
Maurice (02:48):
Benny, if you're out there listening, thank you.
Kat (02:50):
Yeah.
Yeah,
Maurice (02:51):
That was one little step.
I don't think it was the samenight, but I think sometime
shortly after that, my odometerhit 69, 69, 6 0.9 and we had to
pull over things like that.
Elle (03:03):
So, needless to say, sex has been a very important part
of your relationship.
Yeah.
As it should be.
Right?
Like the,
Kat (03:10):
like the time that we had sex on a runway.
Elle (03:14):
Like in a plane or on a car?
Car on the runway in a car.
Okay.
Parked the car on, on therunway.
Maurice (03:20):
I love the, I I have, I have so many questions right
now.
It was a small municipal airportand Okay.
It was,
Kat (03:28):
it was at night and
Maurice (03:30):
we, knew how to get on the field and Okay.
I knew most of the cops thatwere on duty that night and then
figured that the worst casescenarios would like, get the
hell outta here, get scolded.
Yes.
But, um.
Anyway.
From there, I think the nextstep in the process would've
been my 50th birthday party.
Elle (03:49):
Okay.
Maurice (03:50):
And the gateway drug, I think for, many people in the
lifestyle is going to Vegas andSure.
Hiring some professional help.
Tramp (03:59):
Okay.
Maurice (04:00):
Okay.
And silly me, I thought Kat wasjust doing it for me.
Elle (04:08):
No.
No, she wasn't, no, she actually
Maurice (04:10):
had a really good time with, uh, was, yeah.
Elle (04:13):
Yeah.
Kat (04:14):
It was my first time really being with a woman.
Elle (04:16):
So, that's something that you had thought about before,
that you had fantasized about,that you went
Kat (04:21):
Well, I, I, I had, but I hadn't really quite admitted it
to myself at that point.
Okay.
You know, I always.
Love looking at women.
I just think women are just,they're so beautiful, beautiful
and soft and just fi so wouldfind myself drawn to women, but
Okay.
It was like, no, I am married toMaurice.
And it just hadn't quite come tothe forefront yet.
(04:43):
Okay.
And when we were in Vegas, wejust had a really, great time.
And, uh,
Maurice (04:48):
and I wanted it to be special and not just for me, but
for her.
I actually shoot her out of theroom and put out a bunch of LED
candles and put rose petals allover the bed.
Know how hard it is to find rosepedals on the Vegas strip.
You'd think it would be a littleeasier.
It's not, huh?
It was so hard.
I called so many florists.
(05:08):
Finally found one.
But anyway, rose petals on thebed.
It was lovely.
Candles all over the place.
Lovely.
It was a really, really funevening.
Elle (05:15):
Aw, you made it special for your birthday, but for her
as well?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's, I figured
Maurice (05:20):
if she was giving me this gift, I might as well, make
sure that it was cool for hertoo.
Elle (05:24):
Now, Maurice, did you have an inkling that she would be
interested in this woman aswell?
No.
Oh, you thought, oh, I'm justgonna make her feel comfortable.
Yes.
That I am having thisexperience.
Yes, I had.
Well, that was nice.
No
Maurice (05:35):
idea that it was gonna
Elle (05:37):
turn into, oh my God, I'm watching my wife.
Maurice (05:40):
Exactly.
Oh, yay.
I mean, I thought she would.
Playfully kiss or something likethat.
I had no idea that it was go,gonna go any further than that.
Tramp (05:48):
You know when that kind of naturally evolves in that
way, it's a really sexy thing.
Yeah, I know.
I've witnessed it and it'spretty amazing because there's
the person that you care fordeeply and being able to just
enjoy it when they're enjoying.
Elle (06:06):
Yeah.
Tramp (06:06):
Is just next level for me.
Elle (06:08):
Yeah, you don't have that.
Oh my God.
What is she doing with thatwoman?
You know?
Mm-hmm.
And freaking out.
It was worse.
No, there was no freaking out.
More sexual for you.
It was, yeah.
Yeah.
Kat (06:19):
Oh, he was having a good time.
That's yay.
Yay.
Two thumbs up.
Elle (06:24):
So Kat, how did that sort of flow?
I mean, she came in
Kat (06:28):
I mean we, talked a little bit about what we like and Okay.
What we would like to do and.
We all got on the bed and atfirst it was the two of them.
Sure.
They were kissing and playingand fondling and doing all of
that.
And then I sort of jumped in andstarted kissing and playing and
fondling myself and, I justthought, I'm gonna give this a,
(06:51):
try and see what I think.
And
Elle (06:53):
I mean, went in Vegas.
Kat (06:54):
It went in Vegas.
Yeah.
And it was lovely.
Maurice (06:58):
The cool thing about, Clark County is you can prepay
your bail.
What?
Okay, I'm just kidding.
So many questions.
I'm just, I'm just kidding.
We can't think three barrelbusiness anyway.
Not that we did anythingillegal.
We didn't.
Elle (07:14):
Right.
Okay.
All right.
And then how did you guys gofrom there to fast forward to,
let's do this all the time.
Maurice (07:21):
COVID.
Okay.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Um, everyone's bored and horny.
Yeah.
And I was listening to the WeGot a Thing podcast.
Elle (07:29):
Okay.
Yeah.
Love, love them.
Yeah.
Maurice (07:31):
And on Walks at the dog park and hadn't told Kat that I
had been doing this yet.
21, our son comes home from,pride and I'm not home yet.
Kat is, and why don't you takeit from here?
Kat (07:49):
So he comes home from Pride and he says, mom, I wanna show
you something.
And he had purchased a bisexualflag.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I'm like, okay, well great.
And so he did, you
Elle (08:04):
know, it was a bisexual flag?
I mean, I knew it was a
Kat (08:06):
bisexual flag.
Okay.
Elle (08:07):
Yeah.
Okay.
'cause I just recently found outwhat the colors are, right?
Yeah, yeah,
Kat (08:10):
yeah.
I knew what that one was.
And so he was coming out to me.
Elle (08:15):
Yeah.
Kat (08:16):
And I said, well, that's that's great.
That's lovely.
And that's when it just sort ofpopped out.
And I said, so am I.
Elle (08:24):
Ooh.
Kat (08:25):
And he's like.
That's how I can talk to you soeasily.
Elle (08:31):
Hmm.
Oh,
Kat (08:32):
interesting.
You know, and so I felt
Elle (08:34):
comfortable to come home and say this because I felt that
we were a kindred.
Yeah.
Souls.
Yeah.
Kat (08:39):
It's like he kind of knew already, maybe.
And so we started talking aboutit.
He's very, very private abouthis relationships or lack
thereof.
But we just talked a little bitabout it and.
He said, well, that's reallygood to know.
And then, Maurice came home andI told him about the
(08:59):
conversation and he's like,well, now you tell me.
Yeah.
She
Tramp (09:05):
hadn't come out to me yet.
Well, I
Kat (09:07):
hadn't come out to anybody yet.
Tramp (09:09):
Well, it was the time and the place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's all it was.
Yeah.
Maurice (09:13):
So after we had our family moment of, discussion, I
think he was nervous to come outto me, but I don't think he was
shocked that I was going to beaccepting.
Okay.
So, we had our, family discussion and that was cool.
And then when Kat and I had amoment of privacy, it's like,
well, I've been listening tothis podcast and I think that.
(09:37):
The best opportunity for you toexplore that is for you to join
me in listening to some of theseepisodes.
And they were about to have anevent in Denver.
Mm-hmm.
And I said, look, this is gonna be in our backyard.
We're gonna kick ourselves if wedon't at least go and see what
these people are about.
Yeah.
(09:57):
So that's, uh, that's it.
Our son turned us into hiswingers.
Elle (10:01):
Not, not your normal.
Segue?
Yes.
Tramp (10:07):
Or maybe he just opened the door.
He facilitated the conversation.
Yes.
Yeah, exactly.
Elle (10:12):
Mm-hmm.
Because he doesn't know that youguys are swingers.
He, he does not.
Okay.
No, don't, as far we know.
Don't think he'd be shocked.
Do you think he'd be, I don'tthink he'd be shocked.
I don't think he
Maurice (10:23):
would want us to talk to him about it.
Elle (10:25):
Right.
I think he'd be right.
It's one thing to know, it'sanother thing to actually have
those conversations.
Right.
Which become very awkward forour children.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Fair.
And
Kat (10:31):
given how private he is about things Yeah.
That I think that it would beawkward for him.
But I don't think he'd beshocked.
I don't think he'd bejudgemental or anything like
that.
Right,
Maurice (10:42):
right.
We try to be careful about, likemost people, what you're wearing
when you leave the house, right?
And
Tramp (10:50):
yes.
Why Kat, why are you wearing atrench coat?
And it's like 90 degreesoutside.
Kat (10:56):
I've been known to, change, right outside in the parking lot
of the ranch.
You know, you can go in thebathroom and change that too.
I know.
I've been known to just.
She likes to make it entrance,just Ah, yes, of course.
Yeah.
I just get outta the car andjust change Nobody's Yeah.
No one's, no whatever.
Elle (11:11):
No, there's nobody at the place next door.
Kat (11:15):
I figure, you know, and even if they are, they've seen
it before.
Elle (11:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Certainly the fire departmentand paramedics across the street
have.
Oh yeah.
In there and Oh yeah.
Yes.
And know what to expect on aFriday or Saturday night.
That's indeed.
Yeah.
No
Maurice (11:30):
shots.
I think they probably when theyhave the opportunity to choose
what, station they get assignedto, that might be it.
I want that one.
Uh, let's see what we can do.
Elle (11:39):
Just like to point out does not happen very often.
You know the, thankfully theparamedics.
Yeah.
Thankfully you have to come in,but it's nice to know that
they're there quickly if someoneneeds some help.
Yep.
So
Maurice (11:50):
not that there's not a million people in healthcare in
the lifestyle that are alreadythere, right?
Elle (11:53):
There's always somebody willing to, jump in and help
out.
Yeah.
Tramp (11:56):
That is something I volunteers for mouth to mouth.
Mm-hmm.
That is something within thelifestyle I've always found, I
don't wanna say curious, but youdo have industry specific Yeah.
It, it seems to attract, whetherit's teachers healthcare or
healthcare teachers.
Police, military.
Military.
Elle (12:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And I think it's, a group ofpeople who are constantly
giving, that are willing to beso giving to other people that
wind up being very open to this.
Agree.
I hadn't
Kat (12:29):
thought of it that way.
Yeah.
And I think that's what I, thatmakes sense.
Elle (12:32):
I think that's part of it.
And it isn't so much that you'retrying to get something back,
it's just you're still giving.
Yeah.
And you just happen to then getit back from others who are, are
so open to giving.
Kat (12:43):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I like that.
Yeah.
Tramp (12:46):
Hmm.
Deep thoughts this Sundaymorning.
Yeah.
I got my sleep.
Kat (12:50):
Well, and it's, especially good, if you have a rough week
at work or something like that,that to be able to go to the
ranch and just be in a positiveenvironment.
Yeah.
And.
Be around people, other, othercool people and, and just who
are givers.
Who are givers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the swinger
Elle (13:10):
world is filled with givers.
Yeah.
It's, and you don't last ifyou're not.
Kat (13:15):
Right.
Elle (13:15):
I mean, I had thought about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't.
Tramp (13:19):
Well, and I know I've mentioned before probably
numerous times by this point,how when you do have
interactions with your vanillafriend group.
Whether you're going out todinner for drinks or whatnot.
Mm-hmm.
Quite frankly, it's boring.
The people in the lifestyle,they're fun to talk to.
Really.
(13:39):
No topic is off limits.
Elle (13:42):
Right.
Yeah.
Tramp (13:42):
So it's generally a fun conversation, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And engaging.
Elle (13:47):
And even if somebody has had a rough week or whatever,
and they.
Need to talk about it, peopleare open to hearing about it and
then maybe even just givingfeedback on and try to make them
feel better.
Yeah.
You know, you get that insteadof, oh, this person's droning on
again.
But it's, great, well, alright.
And then even still, it's amatter of oh, you know, I'm
(14:09):
sorry it was a terrible week.
How do we make this better foryou?
It doesn't have to be sex, butit's how do we make you feel
better?
It could be.
It is very well, could be.
Let me make you forget thatexactly.
With that week.
Maurice (14:22):
No, we've got some close friends.
Uh, none of whom we've come outto.
I've got one friend that I'vemanaged to say something and it
got very awkward and it wasyears ago.
It's never come up again.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay.
That's just not a conversationwe're ever gonna have thought we
could, but we can't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Okay.
I have friends and someone I'veknown for years, I mean, since
(14:43):
freshman in high school.
Yeah.
And he's probably my closestfriend, but that's just not a
conversation we're ever gonnahave.
Yeah.
Kat (14:50):
And I have friends that I think I, could.
Come out to, but the problem is,is I don't know if I could trust
them.
Right.
And I don't want them to go, oh,well guess what, you know, on
what I heard, blah, blah.
You know, well, guess what Kattold me, and Yes.
And I just, yeah.
I love them.
Yeah.
And that's great.
And I don't think they'd bejudgemental, but I just don't
(15:11):
think they'd be discreet.
Elle (15:12):
Yeah.
I have my hairdresser, he isgay.
His husband I used to work withat a company, and that's how we
got to know each other.
And I had wanted to come out tohim for so long, but he's also
still very good friends withsome employees, salespeople that
(15:34):
were under me.
And I love him, but he is gonnabe a little loose lipped.
But then there was the day thatI did come out and he's like,
actually not very surprised.
I'm like, I am totally.
Fearful that you'll saysomething to her and he's like,
oh, no, we can, we can barelytalk about the fact that we're
gay.
So it's like, I, I won't besharing that, but I think he was
(15:56):
really excited.
He goes, yeah, you're, the plus,you're the, you're part of the
LGBT, blah blah, you know,whatever.
So it was almost like he feltmore comfortable with Jay and I
because of that.
That's cool.
And that was kind of cool.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Maurice (16:12):
Listeners, go back and listen to that episode.
There's a lot of fun.
Tramp (16:17):
So Kat and Maurice, why don't you guys tell us about
some of your adventures andmisadventures You say you've
been in for about four yearsnow.
Maurice (16:26):
Mm-hmm.
Well, our first experience wasat the, we got a thing
convention, if you will, thatthey had, and it started like.
The pre-party was Wednesday andthen it went on Thursday,
Friday, Saturday.
Oh,
Elle (16:39):
wow.
Yeah,
Maurice (16:40):
it was a lot of, oh, it wasn't just a meet greet.
This was downtown,
Elle (16:42):
right?
Uh, they were
Maurice (16:43):
at the, hotel downtown.
We probably shouldn't say thename but we went on a hike at, A
lovely canyon near, the ranch.
And then we did a country inWestern Bar and then a meet and
greet and then saints and centernight at the ranch and went back
to the hotel and had one of theconference rooms set aside for
(17:05):
us and ended up having naughtycharades and.
And one thing led to another andpretty great way into it.
It really was.
Yeah.
And then it was a
Kat (17:14):
couple we had met on that first, like night before the
actual event officially started.
Mm-hmm.
It was just in the restaurantthat was in the hotel.
Mm-hmm.
And a bunch of us just met upthere and we had met this
couple, they were, from Texasand just really, hit it off with
them.
They were really, really nice.
(17:35):
And obviously we were lifestylevirgins at the time
Tramp (17:40):
and everything is new and exciting.
Everything is new and
Kat (17:43):
exciting.
And they were wonderful.
They were just absolutelywonderful.
They were so kind with us.
They were experienced.
They were experienced, okay.
They knew we weren't okay.
And just every step of the waythey were checking in with us
and making sure we werecomfortable.
They told us, what theirboundaries were and they were
(18:04):
very, very clear about that.
They were amazing.
It was probably one of the bestexperiences to this day that
we've had.
Yeah.
It's all
Maurice (18:12):
been downhill from there,
Kat (18:15):
yet
Elle (18:15):
you're still here.
Tramp (18:16):
Exactly.
Well, usually we hear from a lotof people that the first
experience isn't necessarily agood one, right?
Mm-hmm.
And I'm sure it turns a lot of people who are just
starting to explore thelifestyle away, but some
persevere and push through andrealize, hey, this can be.
A lot of fun.
Elle (18:35):
You learn from what didn't go right.
Mm-hmm.
To, okay, now it's clarifying.
You don't know sometimes whatyou don't know, although I hate
that phrase, but it's, no, it'sa great phrase.
Yeah.
You dunno what don't know untilyou experience, oh, okay.
We don't need to do that again.
And how would we do thisdifferently next time?
So if you don't take it as a,oh, well we shouldn't be doing
(18:58):
this.
This is not right for us.
And take it as okay.
That's what the situation was.
I liked this, this, and this,but I didn't care for that, so
let's not do that the next time.
Maurice (19:10):
The, one thing we had done a lot of was listening to
podcast episodes.
Yeah, I think that's key.
And we had just talked andtalked and talked about.
What could happen, what we mightencounter, how would we feel if
X, Y, or Z happened?
Elle (19:27):
So you're saying there was communication?
There was communication, there
Maurice (19:30):
was a a, there we go.
Huge amount of communication.
Yes.
You got your, your communicationpromo in Yes.
For the episodes not evenforced.
Um,
Kat (19:39):
unapologetic, swingers brought to you by communication.
Maurice (19:42):
Communication.
Um, and we had talked about.
Our biggest fear, and I thinkit's, is most, most people's
biggest fear is getting outed.
Alright, who could we see?
Who could we run into?
How would we handle that?
And figured, okay, now thatwe've talked about it
Elle (19:57):
mm-hmm.
Maurice (19:58):
There's no way it's gonna happen.
Elle (20:00):
Sure.
Maurice (20:01):
So our very first Sunday at the ranch, it's a
Sunday fun day, labor Dayweekend.
We sit down and five minuteslater our server is my client.
That fast.
Kat (20:15):
Oops.
Five minutes.
She's
Maurice (20:15):
not there.
She's not there anymore.
So,
Kat (20:17):
Oh no, but she was cool.
Yeah, she was cool.
Well, yeah,
Maurice (20:20):
but it was, are you kidding me?
A shock.
Five minutes.
I think that may be a record.
Elle (20:26):
How did you manifest that?
Well, it was just.
Maurice (20:29):
Oh, hi.
How's it going?
And then she's like, hi, can Itake your order?
I know.
Hello.
We're like, all right.
This is gonna be all right.
Yeah.
We're gonna get through this.
And since then we've run into afew more people that, we've
known in the vanilla world andYep.
You know, like everyone who hasencountered the situation
(20:50):
before, everyone's there for thesame reason.
Yeah.
Presumably no one's there for any malicious reasons.
No one's going to out you
Elle (20:58):
cause they don't wanna be outed either.
Exactly.
Maurice (21:00):
Right.
So it was a breathtakingexperience to begin with.
Sure.
But we very quickly moved pastit and everything's been fine
since.
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Nice.
Um, oh, also on that one, andthis reverts back to the, a MA
we asked a couple weeks ago.
When do you get to declareyourself in the lifestyle?
The part that was not includedin the question that I submitted
(21:23):
was Kat's first experience.
Was, am I gonna take my top off?
Am I not gonna take my top off?
Oh, fuck it.
They're just boobs off comes thetop.
Yay.
Boobs,
boobs are out.
And then a lovely gentleman had,sunscreen and noticed that she
had not yet had sunscreenapplied.
Elle (21:42):
Oh,
Kat (21:43):
I am transparent.
You,
Maurice (21:45):
she's very fair.
Kat (21:46):
Are a little translucent.
Yes.
Maurice (21:48):
So he.
Thoroughly applied sunscreenwhere it was most needed.
And as I'm typing the questionto you, does this qualify as
being the lifestyle as I'mtyping the words, like of course
we're in the lifestyle, thisguy's bottling my wife's boobs.
Elle (22:07):
Yeah.
That's bring it down to thebasics, right?
Maurice (22:09):
Yeah.
So that, that was first, and,and that was my first experience
with, other than the lovely,woman in, in Las Vegas.
That was my first experiencewith another gentleman fondling
her and was like, all right,this is pretty fucking cool.
Elle (22:23):
Okay.
I was gonna ask, how did thatmake you feel?
Yeah.
It was pretty
Maurice (22:26):
fucking cool.
Elle (22:26):
Okay.
Yeah.
Kat (22:27):
All right.
We both love watching each otherYeah.
With other people.
Mm-hmm.
Com conversion, reallyconversion is wonderful.
Really love it.
Yeah.
Elle (22:37):
And who knew that that was gonna be something that turned
you on?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't even know it was aword.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't even know the wordunless you're in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
I just, I don't see how youcould.
No, it, yeah, you'd have to havesome there.
Maurice (22:48):
There's really no other application for it outside of
this.
I don't
Elle (22:51):
think so.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Maurice (22:53):
And maybe if you cook a really nice meal for someone
with an ingredient you'reallergic to, so you know you
can't have it.
Elle (23:01):
Okay.
Maurice (23:03):
Like, I'm allergic to bananas, but I love them.
If I were to make you bananabread or something, they're
like, man, I really wish it, Icould have that, but.
I'm really enjoying that she'shaving it.
Elle (23:14):
Yeah.
Maurice (23:15):
That's the closest thing I see that I can think.
Okay.
That, that's all I've got.
That's
Elle (23:17):
a pretty decent analogy there.
Yeah.
I have, I just pulled it out ofmy eyes.
I, I think it was brilliant andweird.
Bananas.
Huh.
Okay.
Um, I, I, have a question'causeyou had told us a story earlier,
tell us your favorite theme fora party.
Maurice (23:36):
My favorite theme was a murder mystery dinner party we
went to.
I love this.
It was a situation like anymurder mystery dinner.
You have to interact with allthe other characters'cause
you're looking for clues to findout who the killer is.
And this
Elle (23:49):
is a lifestyle
Maurice (23:50):
event.
This was a lifestyle murdermystery dinner.
Kat (23:52):
Yeah.
At a house party.
At a house party.
Right, right,
Maurice (23:53):
right.
Okay.
And I very quickly picked up onone of the clues being that
bubblegum flavored lipstick wasleft behind at the crime scene.
So me being a thorough detectivehad to, kiss every woman there.
Right.
With consent, of course.
Sure.
Um, but it was a wonderful wayof breaking the ice with
(24:16):
everyone there.
Kat (24:17):
Yeah.
And I had so much fun, mycharacter was a former NFL
cheerleader, which is completelyopposite of who I am.
And, and I just got into it.
I had so much fun and.
I mean, it's like, okay, ifwe're gonna do this, let's do
this.
And just really had a good time.
I wish they would do anotherone.
(24:38):
So, because that was really,really fun.
Elle (24:40):
Maybe we need to do one.
Yeah, I think we get the stuffnow.
The question I have, did youfind somebody who had bubblegum
flavored lipstick?
Maurice (24:48):
I believe so.
I I it might've been just,wishful thinking.
It's
Elle (24:52):
tastes like bubble gum.
Yeah.
Lemme go in for another, anothertaste.
Maurice (24:56):
I'm gonna say yes.
I'm gonna say yes.
They did not turn out to be thekiller.
Oh, okay.
But yes, I think I foundcircumstantial Edit.
Yes, exactly.
Hmm.
Elle (25:04):
Interesting.
Intriguing.
Intriguing indeed.
I love it.
Maurice (25:09):
It was a great party.
Elle (25:10):
Yeah.
What about you, tramp?
What has been your favoritetheme that you've been to?
Wherever, whether it was atDesire or
Tramp (25:20):
right.
I think because just like a lotof men, I'm very visual.
Mm-hmm.
I have to say a theme thatinvolves sheer clothing.
Elle (25:32):
Okay.
To, to be perfectly honest.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter who's, yeah.
Tramp (25:35):
Yeah.
Whether be able to see curvesthrough the clothing or nipples
or mm-hmm.
Or whatnot.
It's, it's all fantastic to me.
Boobs and good blend.
Elle (25:44):
Yeah, I like
Kat (25:45):
that.
So like, steampunk is probablynot your thing because there's a
lot of clothing involved inSteam.
Yeah, A
Elle (25:50):
lot of leather.
Well, which is funny'cause Iwould say that was probably my
favorite.
It was my first theme party atthe ranch that Jay took me to.
But it's the corsets and the,the boobs are up.
I'm sorry, I was just touchingmy boobs.
You know, or the, it didn't gounnoticed.
I'll do it again.
It's so alternative to what weget to wear now.
(26:13):
And, Jay bought me these boots,these thigh high boots with go
on.
As Jay would say, slower, talkslower, but has like little bows
going down the side, butthey're, they're very, very fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maurice (26:29):
Anything
Elle (26:30):
with
Maurice (26:30):
a
Elle (26:30):
kilt,
Maurice (26:30):
I also enjoy.
Elle (26:32):
Right.
Yeah.
It's stepping out of yournormal, I mean, where else in
your life would you have six?
Plastic totes in the basementfilled with different costumes.
Yeah.
We
Kat (26:44):
have a closet full of costumes.
Yeah.
Elle (26:46):
I've gone through and I packaged them up and then I
wrote on the outside, this is meoutside of the tote.
You know what costumes are inthere, so I don't have to go
through five of'em to look forif anything is
Maurice (26:56):
gonna add us to our kid is gonna be Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, yeah,
Elle (27:00):
yeah.
Because I'm sure
Kat (27:00):
he's like.
You guys go to a lot of picnicsand you guys go to a lot of
costume parties, theme
Elle (27:05):
parties, like who does that?
Yeah, swingers.
Swingers do that.
I don't know who else.
But yeah.
Tramp (27:15):
So, outside of jumping right into the lifestyle and
experiencing all theexperiences.
Would you say that you have atop experience thus far?
Maurice (27:30):
The very first one was unforgettable, but it often is.
Yeah.
One of our favorites was at ahouse party and I had previously
spoken with this gentleman andknew that he was single.
And at this point in our journeyyou.
(27:50):
Single guys were not somethingthat was on our radar.
Mm-hmm.
And, and I, and I think we hadpretty much said that, yeah.
That's just not something wewanna seek out.
Kat (27:58):
Okay.
At least at that point.
Right.
At least at that point.
Mm-hmm.
Maurice (28:02):
So I had circulated to a different part of, the great
room.
And I saw Kat talking to thisguy, and then I saw Kat kissing
this guy, and that wascompletely within our
boundaries.
Mm-hmm.
Um.
And they're like, oh, okay,that's where this might be
going.
And then she's coming towards mewith him and Joe with a,
Elle (28:26):
I got an idea,
Maurice (28:27):
big grin on her face, and I, and I had already been
processing all of this.
Like I think she's about to askif it's okay to play with a
single guy and like, okay, yeah,why not?
Why not?
How do I feel?
Well, what was cool was thisparticular single guy was me 20
years ago.
Kat (28:44):
Okay.
Yeah.
Dark hair.
He's barely, he is 20 yearsyounger than me and dark hair,
beard, you know, blue eyes,handsome blue eyes, I mean, just
really, so you went really andreally, really smart.
Like okay, very educated person.
So we were having, in betweenthe kissing, we were having
great conversation.
That's nice.
(29:04):
But at first I didn't realize hewas a single guy.
Okay.
And then, he said that hispartner, was sick and she was
not able to make it to theparty, but he'd already already
paid and he still really wantedto come.
So he came on his own.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
You,
Maurice (29:22):
well, not entirely on his own.
Kat (29:25):
That was
Maurice (29:26):
later.
That was later.
Kat (29:28):
But, um, yeah, that was a, he was a really good kisser.
Yeah.
Just like Maurice here.
Do you
Elle (29:35):
need a moment?
I do.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
Turn the fans on.
Yeah.
Maurice (29:40):
Um, but what was funny was we ended up kind of all
focused on one corner of the bedand the bed broke.
Elle (29:48):
Oh no.
Maurice (29:49):
So we didn't wanna stop playing, but we couldn't play on
this bed.
So I went and grabbed the hostand said, Hey we need to go to
another room to continueplaying.
And by the way.
They have, in addition to theparty, you can pay an extra fee
for a room for the night.
Right.
So you have to drive home.
Yeah.
Which is great.
(30:09):
But we weren't gonna be able tosleep in the bed that's broken.
So I said, Hey, can you addressthe bed while we're downstairs?
Like.
The guy says, can you help me?
He's like no.
20 year ago, me is about to fuckmy current wife and I can't miss
that.
I'm not going to let this momentgo, I need to see this.
So he went and fixed it whilethe two of us went and took care
(30:30):
of Cat.
Cat.
Kat (30:31):
That was kind.
Yeah.
It was a lot of fun.
That was, I'm like, that was a,a great experie.
My God.
I have the two best looking guysin the whole house that are with
me.
Yay.
It was, it was really, we had areally good time.
Yeah, he was really, reallygreat.
That's awesome.
That is amazing.
Yeah.
Tramp (30:49):
Well, Maurice and Kat, thank you so much for the
stories and that origin story isdefinitely something else
Elle (30:58):
unique.
This is why we do this trip.
That's true.
Just because everybody's dyingto tell you the stories you
start of the podcast.
Yes.
Right.
Tramp (31:07):
But before we launch into our Ask us anything segment
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Maurice (32:19):
we have a shiru story, not, not much of the story, just
we can personally attest to.
Elle (32:25):
Okay.
Maurice (32:26):
Shivers being a, a lovely thing.
We, we've been using the libido.
Gummies.
Yep.
With great effect.
Oh, tell us.
Kat (32:35):
Well, like you said, they just make you feel really,
really good.
They make you feel relaxed.
I think that's a big part of itis that it's just helping you
relax, sort of helps you allowyourself to enjoy the experience
more.
Does it,
Elle (32:50):
Allow you to get out of your head?
Yeah,
Kat (32:53):
exactly.
Elle (32:53):
Okay.
Kat (32:54):
Exactly.
Maurice (32:54):
Let go.
Kat (32:55):
Mm-hmm.
Elle (32:56):
Love it.
Hey, you.
There's a little testament.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, what's our a MA today?
Tramp (33:02):
Okay.
Our A MA comes from a listenerlc, and she asks, how do you ask
for health status beforeplaying?
Do you demand to be shown or doyou trust?
Elle (33:16):
Oh, that's a great question.
Mm-hmm.
I think we've done it both ways.
We have been to parties where itwas a requirement.
You get tested beforehand andyou had to bring it with to show
people.
And then we've had others whereit's an established
relationship.
You do know and understand thatthey get regularly tested and
(33:39):
you trust.
And then with others, you usecondoms.
Tramp (33:44):
And I would also note that condoms don't necessarily,
they're not a foolproof
Elle (33:49):
no'cause protection.
They don't help with oral.
Mm-hmm.
And you can certainly transmitvia oral.
So it is a risk that you'retaking there, there's
Maurice (33:58):
absolutely just an assumed level of risk in the
lifestyle.
Right.
And you have to go into thisknowing that things can happen.
Yeah.
Um, and be prepared to.
Hopefully not freak out.
I know you had a, a falsepositive experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you just have to be prepared to deal with, with
(34:20):
things that come up.
And I think the overwhelmingmajority of possible experiences
are going to be something thatyou can manage,
Elle (34:30):
treat.
Yeah.
You said you were in thehealthcare.
Industry.
Is this something that you haveknowledge of?
No.
Okay.
All right.
This is just your prof.
No semi-professional opinion.
This is just
Maurice (34:40):
my personal opinion.
Yeah, I agree that, when we gotinto committed relationships, we
figured, okay, we don't have toworry about testing anymore.
Right.
That we're gonna be with thisone person for the rest of our
lives.
Uh, as soon as we started downthis path, we know that there
are risks.
Mm-hmm.
We have accepted those risks as a consequence of this
(35:03):
behavior.
Mm-hmm.
But it's worth it.
Nu neither one of us have hadany negative experiences, but
we're prepared to deal with itif it, if it does.
Yeah.
And we agreed we are a hundredpercent condom use.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And we get tested regularly, butwe've never asked anybody.
I've thought about how thatwould go.
Never actually done it.
I love the idea of a party whereyou have to check in and show
(35:28):
you have to be tested that weekbefore.
Elle (35:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But
Maurice (35:31):
even that's not, not a guarantee.
There are no guarantees, people,no.
Mm-hmm.
There isn't.
You just aren't, isn't
Elle (35:36):
you're, you're taking a risk.
Yeah.
Maurice (35:38):
But it's a fun, delicious risk, but get,
Kat (35:42):
get tested regularly.
Yeah.
No matter what.
Um, and when I went and I askedmy, doctor, I'm like, I
explained that well, I'm in thelifestyle.
And she said, what is thelifestyle?
I said, I'm a swinger.
Oh.
I said, I would like to gettested.
Could you order that for me,please?
Yes.
Quarterly.
And so she ordered it then, andshe said, all you have to do,
(36:06):
shoot me an email and I'll orderit just whenever you want it.
So, yeah.
Maurice (36:11):
Um, one awkward discussion and that's
Elle (36:12):
it, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's it.
And then they go, okay.
I, we appreciate the fact thatyou are trying to be on top of
this.
Right.
Kat (36:19):
Right.
Yeah.
And it's easy.
You just go pee in a cup
Elle (36:23):
or they draw blood.
Yeah.
Or they draw
Kat (36:24):
blood if it's, if you want HIV testing.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But like, it's so easy.
Do suck it up buttercup.
Two
Tramp (36:31):
people.
And I would also add on to thatbecause I've, been involved in a
situation where a lot of alcoholinvolved and things got carried
away.
It was a lot of fun.
Mm-hmm.
But being able to be the adult and say, okay.
That was beyond.
Now I need to cool my jets.
(36:53):
I need to go through the testingregimen just in case.
Be
Elle (36:56):
responsible.
Tramp (36:57):
Be responsible, before getting back out on the field,
per se.
Maurice (37:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we've had a broken condombefore.
Yeah.
Or you, you lose one.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
Yeah.
It broke into pieces I had to godigging.
Elle (37:10):
Oh, so that would be listed maybe on the, unfortunate
stories.
That would be an unfortunatestory, yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah,
Maurice (37:21):
because we were looking all over the room trying to
find, oh God, like, no, I thinkI might still be in there.
Oh, it'd
Kat (37:26):
still be there.
And it was Oh, oh.
Maurice (37:30):
But better to find it than undergo like toxic shock or
something.
Elle (37:34):
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
You wanna get that stuff outtayou?
For sure.
For sure.
Tramp (37:41):
Well, thank you guys for chiming in on that.
And unfortunately, Elle, we havenot received a single email from
our friends in Florida, which israther disappointing
Elle (37:52):
slackers.
Oh yeah.
Some people are just better atasking questions.
And I'm looking at two right nowand we appreciate that and I
would actually like to throwout, since now we have had
experience with doing a podcastwith Zoom I love interviewing
all our friends and people thatwe know and people that come up
(38:13):
to us at the ranch, but itdoesn't have to be a couple or a
single person that's here intown.
We certainly have the technologyto be able to answer questions
or have a conversation withsomebody.
That we don't even know.
So if I would like to just throwout there, if somebody feels
that they have a, an interestingstory and would like to share
(38:35):
it, because I think other peoplelearn from everybody's
interesting stories.
So the more that we hear, themore we expose it is a podcast
not.
A YouTube video.
Um, but that, you know, feelfree to expose if you want,
Derek.
I, yeah, sure.
For sure, for sure.
Check out our Cassidy profile.
But, I'd like to throw it outthere that if somebody thinks
(38:57):
that they have a fun story totell and would like to talk with
us, that maybe we could, get Jayon the technology and, set
something up for,
Tramp (39:06):
of course we
Elle (39:07):
can a later date.
I like that.
Yeah.
More stories.
More stories.
They're fun.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Every and everybody has them.
You can't be in the lifestyleand not have stories.
No.
So really seriously, we couldinterview anyone.
Kat (39:21):
Yeah.
Elle (39:22):
We've been trying to get somebody on who we feel is
lifestyle adjacent that theydon't even play.
And some people areuncomfortable about having their
voices out there and that'sfine.
Totally understand that.
But I think it's important forpeople to hear the stories of
those that just live on theside, and like to watch other
people have sex or like to bewatched having sex, like to be
(39:45):
around the sexy people.
Mm-hmm.
Like to be around the open andpositive, sexually positive
environment.
I thought last
Maurice (39:51):
week you said that was lifestyle.
Elle (39:54):
I.
Wow, you calling me out, grace?
No,
Maurice (39:59):
no,
Elle (39:59):
no.
But yes, like, like I said, it'sa, I'm putting it out there
again.
Maurice (40:02):
No, no, no.
I believe you're right.
If you feel like you are part ofthe lifestyle, then you're part
of the lifestyle.
Agreed.
This is a very warm, opening,inclusive community where if you
want to be a part of us, wewelcome you.
Kat (40:18):
Yes.
Elle (40:19):
Right?
Yeah.
Kat (40:20):
It's a very broad definition.
Maurice (40:22):
Very
Elle (40:22):
much so.
Mm-hmm.
And
Maurice (40:24):
who needs labels
Elle (40:24):
anyway?
Kat (40:25):
Yeah, exactly
Elle (40:26):
Right.
We get too caught up on that.
Let's just have fun.
Maurice (40:29):
Exactly.
Elle (40:31):
Wink, wink.
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Maurice (41:24):
We're heading there right from here.
Elle (41:26):
Right.
Sunday.
Fun day.
Exactly.
Watch a little football hangout.
Be around good people.
Heck yeah.
Maurice (41:30):
Halftime blow jobs.
Elle (41:33):
Yes.
Where else can you say that?
That's awesome.
Tramp (41:40):
Well, guys, thank you so much.
Just not only with Maurice andKat here, but just everyone
listening, just thank you for
Elle (41:50):
continuing to be there with our journey.
Tramp (41:51):
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
As it continues to evolve andexpand and.
We just have all theseincredible new experiences and
make some, quite frankly,incredible new friends.
Kat (42:02):
Thank
Elle (42:02):
you
Kat (42:02):
for having us.
Hey.
Hey.
We
Elle (42:04):
appreciate it.
Coming all the way over.
Maurice (42:08):
It was on, it was on the
Elle (42:09):
way.
That's really how we planned it.
Yes.
Oh,
Tramp (42:14):
but everyone, if you'd like to contact us, if you have
an a MA our email isunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
We also have a website.
Unapologetic swingers.com andwherever you happen to be
listening to us, the biggest askthat we have is just leave us a
review.
Right?
Hopefully all good things, butif not, maybe just email us
(42:35):
privately.
That's okay.
If there's something that weneed to improve on.
I haven't done that.
I'm sorry.
Oh,
Elle (42:40):
I did, meet a couple last night that said they had sent
us, a cup of coffee or two, sothank you for that.
Of
Tramp (42:46):
course.
Thank you guys.
Yes.
That's something I really don't.
Mentioned very often, but
Elle (42:50):
no, but it was nice that somebody had, yes, thank you.
Had made that attempt.
We appreciate it.
Maurice (42:55):
And we're Mountain foxes on Cassidy,
Elle (42:57):
right?
Check them out.
Until next time, I'm l and I'mthe tramp.
Be sexy, be confident.
Be unapologetic.
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