October 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Today we are joined by Styles and Chloe - A younger couple some fantastic and entertaining adventures for us as they explore and evolve in the lifestyle.
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:06):
and I'm the Tramp, and just as I say, seemingly every
single episode, just, but we, wedo, we truly do.
Welcome and from the bottom ofour hearts, just a thank you for
continuing to come along on thiswonderful journey with us and we
talk about the lifestyle andsometimes our own situations
(00:28):
and.
Oftentimes, just like today, wehave guests in that we're very
appreciative of.
Mm-hmm.
And it's really just our ownadventures and lifestyle.
The highs and lows andeverything in between.
Elle (00:39):
That's right.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Tramp (00:41):
Indeed.
So we're gonna launch right intotoday.
We would like to welcome Stylesand Chloe to the podcast.
Welcome guys.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Chloe (00:53):
Thank you for having us.
Tramp (00:55):
What I really want to get right into is the unapologetic
story this week, and tell usabout how you guys came into
this world.
Styles (01:06):
We definitely have a interesting story.
I think maybe a little bitdifferent when it comes to going
into the lifestyle.
We had some outside influencethat might be a little different
than most people do.
And so I'll kind of let Chloekind of talk about that and then
I'll chime in when,'cause shealways tells stories better just
because.
She had a different perspectiveof it all.
Okay.
Chloe (01:26):
I will say that I was always bi-curious with girls and
so I think that's what our firstthing was.
And I had a first experiencewith a girl with well being in
the lifestyle and I was like, ohwow.
I really do like girls and theyreally do turn me on.
Hmm, where can we get a littlebit more of this?
Styles (01:45):
Yeah.
And at the time we were livingin Omaha, so we weren't living
in here.
Tramp (01:50):
I would imagine that the lifestyle scene in Omaha is not
exactly booming.
Styles (01:54):
Actually
Elle (01:55):
go, whoops.
Styles (01:56):
Crazy enough.
The first time we ever went totemptation, there was a whole
gang of people from Omaha.
There was like 35 people thatall came out from Omaha.
Like, so apparently they do havesome kind of scene.
Yeah.
Never assume underground.
Yeah.
That shocked us as well.
So, yeah, we were in Omaha atthe time, so we were like, okay,
how can we do this?
And it was just some of ourclose friends that Chloe had our
(02:18):
experience with.
We thought it'd be a good ideato kind of see if we could
explore more.
So we ended up moving to NewYork after that.
And again, never really thoughtabout looking into a lifestyle
scene or never even really knewwhat the lifestyle was at that
time.
That was a short stint.
We lived there for a year andthen we were on our way back to
(02:39):
Colorado where we live now.
And I was in the car with mydad, so this is kind of where my
dad comes in the story and we'retalking about it.
And, I'm very open and honest.
My dad, Chloe's parents are verymore reserved.
So she doesn't always have thebest time to be able to
communicate with them.
She also uses my dad as aresource.
So we were talking in the carand he's, he's telling me about
(03:02):
this magical place in in Denver.
And he's explained to me that,you guys could really live out
your lifestyle if you guys wannatry that, or you can maybe, find
a girl if you wanna try that.
And so we're like, okay, we'llgive it a try.
Ends up being the ranch, right?
Mm-hmm.
So we go there one time in thesummer.
This is about four years agonow.
Yeah.
(03:22):
And we really enjoyed ourselves.
We ended up starting to go maybeonce a month and then, my dad
would text me and be like, Hey,are you guys going to the ranch
tonight?
So we would kind of trade offdays Yeah.
When we were gonna go there.
Elle (03:34):
I understand that.
Well, I have, a couple ofquestions here.
Absolutely.
First of all as we were talkingbefore the show you guys brought
up the fact that you're highschool sweethearts.
Yes.
And so you really had just onlybeen with each other.
I would say for the most partright
Styles (03:50):
abs Yeah.
We've been, together since wewere 15.
Elle (03:52):
Yes.
Wow.
Okay.
And then my other question iswhen you were in the car talking
with your dad, did you bring upthe lifestyle first and then
he's talked about it?
Or did he just sort of throwthat out there?
I think
Chloe (04:04):
I've like mentioned I'm into girls and just wanting to
broaden our horizon.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I think that's how it gotbrought up.
Styles (04:12):
It was an opening.
Yeah.
Yes.
Uhhuh, like I, I said, like Isaid, Chloe's always been really
good at communicating with myfather, and they're hilarious
when they talk.
Elle (04:19):
Okay.
Styles (04:19):
That's how I just kind of got brought up.
My dad just said, Hey, did youguys go explore this place?
He'd known that we've beentogether since we were really
young and mm-hmm.
And, we've always beenseparated, so it's always been
like me and her alone.
And then we had kids reallyyoung, so.
It was kind of our time to dosomething different.
Right.
We're coming home, this is wherethe grandparents live.
So we had opportunity to go outand have fun with the two of us
(04:39):
and see what we like.
So yes.
That is awesome.
That's
nice.
'cause then you had thatsupportive, Hey, we're gonna go
out.
Can you watch the kids?
Yes.
And they know you don't have toput the big coat on to get out
the house.
Exactly.
And we did have the experience where we both were at
the club at the same time.
It was his birthday the veryfirst year,
Chloe (04:56):
but we kind of.
Try, like we, we
Styles (04:58):
did kind of try crashing his time.
Chloe (05:00):
Oh,
that
was on purpose, right?
Yes, it was.
He kept telling us like, do notshow up.
Do not show up.
And we're like, okay, we won,and then
Styles (05:07):
you can only tell me not to do something
Tramp (05:08):
so many times before I do it.
So, well, you're gonna wanna do
Chloe (05:10):
it.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:11):
I think that's pretty natural as a father myself, you
tell your children don't dothis.
Oh, they're gonna do it.
Exactly.
Yeah,
Elle (05:16):
yeah, yeah.
Well, now that you've put thatthought in my head
Tramp (05:19):
exactly.
Chloe (05:19):
We waited till like the night was over and then we just
like showed up and he was justlike.
I knew you guys were gonna come.
We're like, yep.
Luckily,
Styles (05:27):
my, my parents were separated, so it was my stepmom,
so it wasn't as bad as likegoing there and see my mom
there.
So, yeah.
That I think that's worse thanseeing my father.
Elle (05:35):
So you guys got in the lifestyle, but you had moved
here and started going to theranch about four years ago.
What other things have you guysdone?
Have you done some traveling?
Have you gone to other clubs?
Chloe (05:46):
We've gone to Temptations twice and Desire.
Mm-hmm.
And we did do one in Vegas too.
The,
Styles (05:54):
yeah, we went to one of the lifestyle clubs in Vegas
when we were out there.
One try.
We always.
Heard that Vegas was a funlifestyle place and we were
trying to see how we could, youknow, wiggle our time there.
So yeah,
Tramp (06:06):
there's a lot of options in Vegas.
I'm personally a huge fan ofVegas, whether it's, one of the
assorted topless pools ortopless optional pools, if you
will.
Mm-hmm.
There are a, a myriad of clubsout there.
Some, some not so good, at leastreputation wise.
I think it's a hotspot as far asthe lifestyle is concerned, just
because not only do they have avery strong local community, if
(06:28):
you will.
Mm-hmm.
But the people travelingthrough.
Elle (06:32):
Right.
When we've gone, we have yet togo to one of the clubs there.
We keep meaning to, butsometimes it's it.
We're traveling from somewhereelse back to Colorado and like
on a Tuesday and a Wednesday anda Thursday.
And then there was one timewe're like, okay, let's go and
we'll stay through Fridaynights.
So we at least get one of those.
But hearing that they open solate, we're like, I don't know,
(06:54):
it doesn't sound good.
And then we wound up having asingle man over and it was.
Amazing.
And we didn't miss out onanything.
We've had fun.
Every time we've gone, it's justwe haven't gone to the clubs.
Styles (07:04):
Yeah.
We've had a great time at likethe topless pool parties, like
you were saying.
Mm-hmm.
Almost every time we go outthere, if it's in the summer, we
stop at there one time.
Our experience at the club outthere wasn't great.
Okay.
So I think we're spoiled herehaving the ranch.
Agreed.
It's, it's a beautiful club,right.
And our expectations were onlythat, yeah.
(07:24):
So when we went to this otherclub in Las Vegas, it was just
very different.
At the time they were having anacho buffet.
So it was also a little weird tome.
Like I always like to see thatsexy side of it, and I think the
ranch does a good job with that.
Elle (07:36):
Mm-hmm.
Styles (07:37):
So when people were like at a buffet in nachos, it was
kind of not as sexy to me,although
Elle (07:41):
I've heard if you're really hungry, it's kind of nice
to have that buffet or thatbreakfast buffet that some of
them do.
Yeah.
Tramp (07:48):
But I don't know if I'd want to throw down a big plate
of garlic and onions right
Elle (07:54):
before you're about to get jalapenos.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah.
Forget the jalapenos.
No, say no, just say no.
Tramp (08:03):
Not if you're a fan of.
F going down.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Get a little spicy, so to
speak.
Literally and physically.
Elle (08:12):
So four years.
I mean, I've only been in forwhat, five and a half, you know?
What kind of fun stories do youhave?
Tell us the good and a bad.
You can go first.
Styles (08:22):
Okay.
Yeah.
So I would say we've had both,definitely had both good and
bad.
Surprisingly enough, our firsttime.
Ever having experience at theranch was actually really good.
Yeah, surprisingly we had talkedso much and I hear it all the
time on in your guys' podcast,that communication's key, but.
When you're in the moment,sometimes things just happen.
(08:44):
Right, right.
Very true.
We, never went in withintentions of having a full
swap.
Chloe (08:48):
Yeah.
We've always talked about likethe soft swap, in this moment.
It just happened so naturallythat we ended up full swapping
and it was actually amazing.
Like there was no bad thingsthat happened.
So, good flow.
Yes.
It
Tramp (09:02):
was amazing flow and sometimes you never know what
the reaction is going to be,good or bad.
Exactly.
With a new experience.
Oh, yeah.
Chloe (09:11):
No.
And so I think I just went inthere open-minded and yeah, it
just turned out really fun.
Styles (09:17):
Yeah.
And that's one of the thingsthat, we're trying to get better
on every time is thiscommunication thing, right?
Mm-hmm.
We're, we're learning.
And the more we experience, Ithink the more we can talk about
it, right?
Because it's difficult when,sometimes you get the green
light and then, you know, thenext day that's a red light, and
you're kind of shocked by it inthe morning, right?
Mm-hmm.
And Chloe is a little bit moreabrasive to that nature of, of
(09:39):
kind of like going in her headthe next day about it.
Whereas I'm more just like, allright, that was fun.
Like.
New day, right?
Yeah.
I know what go into my headsometimes, and I've talked with
other people.
Yeah.
What kind of things do you thinkabout the next day?
Is it a guilt?
Is it a wow that was furtherthan I wanted to go?
Chloe (09:55):
I feel like sometimes it can be further than what I
wanted to go and even though Igive him the green light, but
the next day I feel like, oh,well maybe that wasn't okay.
Elle (10:04):
Are you talking about okay for to see him doing something?
Or something that you did?
Chloe (10:09):
More so styles.
Yeah.
Even though I'm looking at himand I'm like, oh, it's good,
we're good.
And then the next day I'm justlike, oh, I regret giving you
the green light.
But yes.
So I really need to work onactually being in the moment and
the next day I need to realizethat like it was okay.
(10:29):
To give you the green light andI don't need to be mad or
anything about it.
Elle (10:32):
I think that's something that, a lot of us have
experienced.
I know Jay and I have had someconversations.
He's like, well, you said it wasfine that we did this and, and
now you're not okay.
I am like, yeah, okay.
Well, and here's the reasonswhy, or I'm not sure why I'm not
okay.
I wanna think about that for awhile, and again, ha, I love it.
(10:55):
It comes back to thecommunication.
At least it gives us anopportunity to talk about it.
And then the next time Jay willbe like, okay, now you're saying
this.
Are you sure that you feel okayabout this?
Yeah.
Because I don't want to everstep over those bounds.
Tramp (11:11):
Right.
I think it's natural that younever want to disappoint your
partner.
Elle (11:15):
Right.
Tramp (11:16):
And you find out after the fact, even though you were
given the green light per se.
It's not only communication.
The other part I, I trulybelieve of the lifestyle is the
grace and recovery afterwards.
It's never going to be,sometimes it is perfect.
Sometimes it's very imperfectand how you recover from that as
(11:36):
a couple, it's not just thecommunication, it's taking your
own accountability to say, youknow what?
I did give you the green light.
I have to sit in my.
Internal unrest with it.
But you guys are a team.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's the biggest thing where,you know, at the end of the
night, it's gonna be you guys.
Yeah.
And only you guys.
Styles (11:57):
Yeah.
And I think that's somethingthat Chloe actually really
enjoys.
And I usually, that's how I cancalm her down, I just start
going after Chloe and.
Showing her that, you know,she's always my number one and
Well,
Elle (12:06):
that reconnection
Styles (12:07):
ab absolutely.
That
Elle (12:08):
that doesn't matter.
That was fun.
We did that.
It's okay, but you and I, that'swhat counts.
Yeah.
Styles (12:14):
Yeah.
And I think it's the thing, youknow, a lot of people think, oh,
if you've been married forever,it's easier.
And I don't think it is.
No.
I mean, we've been married nowfor 13 years and again, us being
high school sweethearts, we'veonly had each other.
And so it's almost harder'causeyou're trying to break up, what
you think you've had togetherfor so long and just kind of
introduce new people in that,but know that you're still as
(12:37):
solid as you've always been,right?
Yeah.
If not more solid, to be honest.
Elle (12:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I said it earlier, but I trulyappreciate the fact, I have
several friends that have beentogether since high school and
we're talking that's 40 yearsago, so that's a long time.
And I always kind of look at it.
And they seem solid.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes people are,sometimes people aren't, but
it's you did actually miss outon the sewing oats part of your
(13:02):
early twenties or even earlythirties.
Allowing each other toexperience that gives you that
opportunity to go, yep.
Made the right choice.
I'm good here.
This is wonderful.
I'm happy we get to have thisextra fun.
Tramp (13:19):
Not to tangent too far off, but style, something that
you mentioned just a moment agowas the foundation that you guys
have built as a couple, thatstrength is paramount here and
its communication and itsunderstanding and its grace
we've all seen those couplesthat come into the lifestyle
(13:39):
jumping into the deep end of thepool.
But what they're attempting todo is fix something that's a
foundational flaw.
Right.
Within their relationship.
Exactly.
And they tend to burn out veryquickly and there's a lot of
drama involved in everythingelse.
I know I've seen it a number oftimes.
Mm-hmm.
L I'm sure do that.
I totally have
Elle (13:58):
seen it.
And, as you get more into thelifestyle, you can spot that
sooner.
Styles (14:03):
Exactly right.
And Chloe, correct me if I'mwrong, but we've always had
great sex.
'cause that was never an issue.
Like for us it was just more so,Hey, you know, we missed out on
these twenties, but we love eachother and we're very sexual
people, so let's go see if wecould try some new experience.
Right.
Jazz, jazz it up a little.
Yeah, we, went with nointentions of fixing anything.
I really think that helped,especially being on the younger
side of lifestyle.
(14:23):
Mm-hmm.
Because people always look atyou mm, they might be immature.
We've had friends on yourpodcast that will probably tell
you where some of the moremature, early 30 year olds that
go there because we've had thatconnection for so long.
We don't let a lot of otherthings get between us and it
makes it easier to have fun andexpress yourself and enjoy
yourself.
Chloe (14:41):
Yes, I would totally agree.
Tramp (14:44):
That's awesome guys.
Now, how about a not so perfectexperience if you had Grace us
with that
Elle (14:51):
And the reason we do this is because.
People need to hear thosestories.
Yeah.
When we first started andstarted listening to the
podcast, it's like, oh God,yeah.
I could totally see thathappening.
How would we deal with it?
Chloe (15:06):
Yeah.
You know so this is anotherexperience at the ranch.
We were both, playing with thedi different people and
Styles (15:14):
same room.
Chloe (15:15):
Same room.
Okay.
But yeah.
And just like doing the funnel,you know, steps of, oral and
everything and they wanted to gofurther.
And I was like, okay, but weneed condoms.
So usually means the green lightis good to go, right?
Mm-hmm.
And usually styles follows mylead.
(15:35):
If we're having sex me and theother person, then he's like,
oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Well, this time styles decidedto not follow my lead and just
started having sex.
And so I kind of felt I got inmy fields and I was like, oh,
wow.
He kind of crossed our boundarybut not crossed our boundary.
And so I kind of freaked out.
(15:56):
And got dressed really fast andjust ran upstairs, which
probably was not a good time.
Probably made the other couplefeel really bad.
Oh
Styles (16:05):
yeah.
Chloe (16:06):
So I felt really bad the next day.
Styles (16:08):
Yeah, that's a good point is how you make other
couples feel in situations likethat.
Right.
A lot of times you don't thinkback'cause you're so concerned
about your relationship.
But yeah, we, we definitely hurtthe other couple's feelings that
night, but.
M again, my first priority isalways gonna be my life.
Mm-hmm.
And that's just kind as itshould be.
Yes.
And that's how I thought.
So I, I immediately, stoppedwhat I was doing and went after
(16:29):
her.
We did have to re-talk to thecouple.
We couldn't just leave'em like,no.
Like,
Elle (16:33):
okay, nope, we're gone.
Done.
Yeah.
And leave them wondering.
Yes.
Tramp (16:36):
There's always those circumstances where I'm sure in
their minds they were like, whatthe fuck just happened?
Oh,
Styles (16:43):
that's what they told us.
Chloe (16:45):
Yeah.
They're like, I'm notunderstanding what happened.
Yeah.
I thought we were all, they'relike, I thought we were all on
the same page.
I thought so too.
And then the moment that, I felthe did like, not cross the
boundary, but didn't follow my,my jump the gun.
Yeah.
'Cause normally he just followsmy lead and Yeah.
This time he did not.
And so I kind of felt hurt inthe moment,
Elle (17:04):
but nothing to do with them.
No, it had nothing.
No, it had nothing to do
Chloe (17:08):
with them.
And so I
Elle (17:09):
think it's just as important to have that
communication with the peoplethat you're playing with too.
Oh yes.
Chloe (17:13):
The next day I text them and I wrote a whole thing like,
I'm so sorry.
And yeah, that was good.
Yeah,
Tramp (17:20):
that's really good.
It's a respectful thing to do.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Styles (17:24):
I actually got a funny story if you guys wanna hear it.
Yes, we
Elle (17:26):
absolutely do.
Styles (17:27):
So.
Our first house party.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we were talking aboutgoing to different places.
Our first house party ever wasin the Denver area.
Brand new to the scene.
This is probably three monthsafter we started going in
Chloe (17:42):
to the ranch.
Yeah.
Styles (17:43):
Yep.
To the ranch.
So around Christmas time we goto this house party.
Didn't know what to expect.
Right.
We've always heard about houseparties.
Didn't know if it was like amore aggressive area, more free
for all.
We didn't know.
So we went there with openexpectations and ended up being
really fun.
A lot of dancing.
Awesome.
Amazing house.
And then we're dancing on thedance floor, getting our little
(18:04):
groove on, and all of a suddenChloe taps me and says, I think
I know that person.
Okay.
Normally that's not bad.
It's like, all right, not bigdeal.
It's a little different whenChloe's known her since she was
13 and they used to dance allthe time together.
Oh, very strange.
Chloe (18:20):
Yeah.
You wouldn't think that youwould see another person at a
lifestyle party, and so you'rejust like what do you do?
Styles (18:27):
Yeah.
It was extremely weird.
'cause the last time we saw her,she was what?
17?
Yeah, I think so.
So we, we've known her for sixyears pretty much our.
Old, beginning of our earlyrelationship, we knew this girl.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
Tramp (18:39):
And the thing with a house party is generally they're
pretty well curated, which meansit's not gonna be someone who
just showed up randomly.
Mm-hmm.
Correct.
How did
Styles (18:50):
that conversation go?
We were the plus ones thatnight, again, getting introduced
to the, the different people.
And we found out that they knewthat the house.
Owners at the time and justrandomly so that's kind of how
they got brought in there.
And then this night goes on.
And then the weirder spot is,it's weird enough seeing someone
(19:10):
there.
And then Chloe at the time goesdownstairs and there's her and
two other girls, like she's in
Chloe (19:18):
a train of eating pussy.
And I'm like, oh my God.
Wow.
Yeah, and I'm just like.
Oh, wow.
She's really in the lifestyle.
I'm like, this is not
Styles (19:27):
new.
Chloe (19:28):
Yeah.
I'm like, this is not her firsttime.
Styles (19:31):
Yep.
On a pool table.
Yeah.
On a pool table.
Yeah.
Chloe (19:33):
I was just like, oh.
And I was like, oh, that'spretty hot at the same time.
But I was like, wow.
Styles (19:39):
So it is a running thing now between us and her husband
and her, well pretty much me andher husband, that we always joke
about, what the girls got it on,you know, because.
That'd be weird because they'veknown each other since they were
13 and now they're, you know,going at it with each other.
It's like, how would thatexperience play out?
Chloe (19:54):
So
that's never
happened.
No, but they always talk aboutit.
So I've I've
Styles (19:58):
tried encouraging in your heads it's happened in your
heads.
Absolutely.
It's happened in my head severaltimes.
Tramp (20:05):
The imagination is a powerful thing.
Yeah.
Elle (20:08):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That's always interesting.
We were at the club a coupleweeks ago and I was with my
friend that I used to work withthat I got into the lifestyle.
'cause she was, her and herboyfriend were very curious
about it.
And I had opened up one nightafter Margaritas and she's like,
oh yeah, okay.
And so they really loved going.
And I had told her at one pointthat someone we worked with that
(20:31):
was our boss at the company.
Also had reached out to mepreviously on Cassidy and said,
just in case we run into eachother, I just wanna let you know
I just saw you here.
And I'm like, okay.
And she was there with herboyfriend and I went to the
bathroom and I'm like, I thinkthat's our coworker.
And I came back out and the twoof them are talking.
(20:52):
So the three of us are all atthe ranch at the same time.
I was like.
Okay.
It was a lot.
Tramp (21:00):
Definitely.
So does that technically make ita corporate meeting?
Did you have to keep
Elle (21:04):
Oh my God, let me imagine if we were still all working
there.
Oh, interesting.
Monday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it was, it was prettyhilarious.
But yeah, that's never gonnahappen.
And, and with her, I'mencouraging.
I fully support, you know, shekissed her first girl the other
day and, just like my sororitysister, don't think we'd ever
(21:25):
play.
Might be in the same room withher.
You're killing my dreams rightnow.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Jay's two, but I don't everwanna assume or put her in that
position, you know?
Tramp (21:40):
I think that's an overarching thing in the
lifestyle in terms of there'salways the possibility.
That's the biggest fear withmm-hmm.
Newbies.
Elle (21:47):
Yeah.
Tramp (21:48):
W we're going to come face to face with a coworker or
a friend or someone.
You almost just have to convinceyourself, well, it's gonna
happen, but they are there forthe same reason that you are.
Exactly.
Elle (22:02):
Yes.
And you hope that there's therespect that no one's gonna out
the other person.
Styles (22:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
You know, talk to your spouseabout it, don't talk to other
people about it.
That couple may not like thatpart of their life exposed with
what I do for work, we're kindof like that.
We have so many friends fromlifestyle.
I would say 98% of our friendsthat live here
Elle (22:20):
are,
are lifestyle and they
Styles (22:22):
are the best people, right?
Yes.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Elle (22:25):
We did have a an unfortunate situation with that
a couple years ago, Jay, when hewas.
Working a corporate job.
And one of his coworkers hadmoved up from the Springs'cause
she and her husband wanted to,they're like, yeah, we wanted,
you know, we've heard about thisswinger place and we wanna go.
She's running around saying thisat work.
Oh.
And, and Jake come home.
(22:46):
He's like, oh, she was talkingabout it again.
I go, oh, we're gonna run intoher at some point.
And and we did.
And she showed up and, and herhusband came over to Jay.
He's like, Hey, listen, you guysare here.
We're here.
This is cool.
Jay thought that was prettygood.
And then there was another timethat they had come and that they
liked to go on glow night.
(23:07):
And on Monday morning, Jay's outthere working in the warehouse
and another coworker camewalking up and said, oh, Scarlet
Ranch, huh?
And.
He held onto that all day.
We had gone for Wednesday nightdinner and we were sitting there
and he is like, okay, you've hada glass of wine.
I need to tell you this.
(23:29):
And I'm like that C word.
And I'm like, I wanna a throatpuncher.
You wanna talk about it?
Talk about it all day long withwhoever you want.
You do not out somebody else.
It was such exactly an uncoolthing to do.
And
Styles (23:46):
I was, yeah, and you can't get that back, right.
'cause once it's out there.
People like to talk.
Elle (23:51):
Right.
Exactly.
So, you know, he is tellingeverybody else.
But it's like I wasn't her jobto tell.
No.
Yeah.
You know,
Styles (23:57):
and I think that's one of the things about having
lifestyle friends.
Everyone thinks that, if youhave lifestyle friends, you guys
just all play together.
No, no.
We have.
Family gatherings.
All of our lifestyle friendshave know our kids.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
We go pool days with the kids.
We take'em out on the boats,together with the kids.
We do everything as likefamilies, not just, sexy time
for the adults.
Right.
And it's, it's a game changer.
Chloe (24:18):
Yeah.
'cause everybody knows how toturn it on and off, you just
know and then coming up with howwe actually like met, you know,
always.
It's always this is how we met.
Yeah.
So like
Styles (24:26):
what we brought up earlier with Chloe's parents
being more reserved, that'salways the thing is like when we
have our kids' birthday parties,how do you guys know each other?
Uhhuh well, let's try doing thison the fly.
Elle (24:37):
Yeah.
Like figure out your story aheadof time.
Yes.
Tramp (24:40):
Yes.
And there's always this moment,and I think men are probably a
little bit more guilty of this,where say it is a vanilla
gathering but there's alcoholinvolved.
Elle (24:51):
Oh sure.
Tramp (24:52):
And you get a little buzz and all of a sudden, you.
Oh, pat someone on the ass andyou're, and right.
You get shot that look like,
Chloe (24:59):
what are you doing?
What?
And
Tramp (25:00):
it's sometimes it's just so automatic, the familiarity
Chloe (25:03):
or when you like kiss each other when you say hello
and goodbye.
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes, kids are like,did that just happen?
And you're like, whoops.
Elle (25:11):
I's a little overly familiar.
Chloe (25:13):
Yeah.
I think Styles has done thatlike a couple times and he's
like.
Oh wait,
Styles (25:18):
but I do the same thing.
I'll go with my grandma's and Iforget.
I'm like, grandma, I like trykissing her lips.
Like that's weird.
Tramp (25:27):
Well guys, in closing, is there any other wisdom that you
guys want to hit us with?
This has been an incredibleYeah.
Fun conversation and just fun.
Styles (25:38):
I, I think to the population out there go.
Explore what's good for you andyour spouse, and don't let age
or anything feel like you can'tfit in.
And don't let age be a definingfactor between you and other
people you play with.
Chloe (25:55):
Yeah.
I would agree on that.
If they're really good looking.
Don't be like, oh, I can't gotalk to them'cause they're good
looking or mm-hmm.
I feel like you should just havea open-minded and you can, no
one's gonna judge you, or noone's gonna be like, oh, I don't
wanna talk to you.
You know?
I just feel like the ranch isvery opening, mm-hmm.
For that.
So, yeah.
Tramp (26:14):
Love it.
Chloe (26:15):
Yeah.
Elle (26:16):
Well, speaking of the ranch.
I would like to just take amoment and give a special shout
out to the Scarlet Ranch.
It's North America's premierupscale private lifestyle
destination.
So if you're in the area oryou're coming to Denver or think
that you might be comingthrough, certainly check out the
(26:37):
website at.
Scarlet ranch.com and come andsee the two incredible bars and
the games and top-notchrestaurant.
If you get an opportunity to eatthere, I always would highly
recommend it.
The food is amazing and there'sspacious areas, open areas
upstairs and private socialareas downstairs when you wanna
(26:58):
get a little steamier.
Tramp (27:00):
And I would add, as a general.
Announcement.
If you guys are coming toColorado and gonna visit the
ranch, drop us a line.
There's a good chance that one,if not all three of us will be
there.
Very true.
And we'd love to meet you guys.
Elle (27:14):
And also if you do come, let the ranch know that you
heard about this on our podcast.
We talk about how we mention it,just about every episode and, we
would just like to see, youknow, that that's made some
reach and some impact.
And also, I do wanna say movingout of that though, you are
somewhere else in the countryand you have a club that you're
(27:36):
really excited about, you wannashare some stories and
information, we'd love to talkto you and maybe see about
getting you on the podcast andtalk about adventures that are
somewhere else.
Right now, our pool is prettymuch here in Colorado.
Mm-hmm.
And it is interesting and it'sfun and I love getting to know.
I didn't know you guys beforelast night when you came up and
introduced yourselves which wasvery fun.
(27:58):
And but we'd love to talk toother people too.
Tramp (28:01):
Always, always, any communication is very welcome.
Elle (28:05):
That's nice segue in.
Tramp (28:10):
Well, this week we do not have an a MA, so I'm gonna put
our guests on the spot just alittle bit.
And I'm not trying to blindsideyou guys, but.
Given our cumulative knowledgeand time and the lifestyle.
Do you guys have any burningquestions for us?
(28:33):
I do.
Okay.
Just like this one,
Styles (28:34):
Chloe, just fire it.
When did you know that orgieswere your thing?
Elle (28:40):
Ooh.
Well, you're assuming an orgy ismy thing.
True properly, but you know, Ithink it was probably one of the
first ones that we went to.
We were going to a house partyand we knew a lot of the people
that were gonna be there and thesituation was set up, so where a
(29:00):
big group of people could playin one area and just the puppy
pile feel, the not knowing who'sdoing what and where, and just
all the feels and all the,physical touch and attention and
that just blending of all thepeople together really, that
(29:20):
that definitely was eyeopeningand pleasurable.
Tramp (29:26):
I know I've mentioned on previous episodes, and you're
absolutely right styles that aproper orgy, there's nothing
like it.
I think what I enjoy about it isyou can kind of get lost in the
moment.
Elle (29:38):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (29:40):
Personally speaking, if I'm in a four way full swap
situation, I always have acertain amount of attention on
my partner.
What is she doing?
Whether it detracts from myinteraction with the other gal
at the time.
But I think in the orgysituation, assuming that there's
universal attraction, and that'smore often to happen at a house
(30:02):
party situation where the guestlist is vetted or curated, if
you will.
And so chances are everyone isgonna be fairly attractive and
you can mesh pretty well witheveryone.
It's about the energy, I think.
It's just everyone is having agood time and the sights and
sounds, and it's so much fun toget lost in that moment for me.
Elle (30:29):
I like that.
Yes.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
What about you guys?
And turn it right back around toyou.
Chloe (30:35):
We've never done an orgy before.
Oh
yeah.
Okay.
No.
Like we keep getting invited tohouse parties that end up in
that situation and we kind ofstep a little back from it.
Elle (30:48):
Does it seem like it's just too much going on?
Interesting.
You would ask that question.
So why did you ask the question?
Styles (30:53):
Because I was always curious about it.
'cause like Chloe said, we,we've never experienced one and,
and we do, usually when we findourselves in that situation, we
kind of pull ourselves out of itand just kind of watch.
It'd all go down.
Elle (31:09):
Well, I like what Tramp had said, it's that you're just
in the moment and the nice thingabout it is you get out of your
head and you're not thinkingabout the next move or what's
happening or what your is goingon with your partner.
And you are literally in themoment,
Tramp (31:28):
and you have to trust that your partner.
Is safe.
Yeah, they are.
Okay.
And and part of that is, istrusting the rest of the group.
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Yes.
All the men in the group.
All the women in the group.
Elle (31:40):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (31:41):
I would assume, based on that answer you guys are
strictly a same room swapsituation.
Yes.
Okay.
Styles (31:49):
Yeah.
I guess we didn't explain thatearlier.
Yeah, we're same room.
We've done full swap.
Yeah, we appreciate seeing eachother.
We feed off of that.
Yeah.
Oh, I, I'm
Tramp (31:58):
completely on board with that.
But in an orgy situation, you'regoing to lose sight of your
partner.
You still may physically be inthe same room, but with all the
bodies and all the, you know,activities, exciting, it's, it's
very easy to say, oh wait, shewas there and you make Lance
over, and all of a sudden she'snot there anymore.
And there's that moment ofpanic.
But you just kinda have totrust, trust inside.
(32:20):
It's like, you know what?
She's safe if she needed me.
Or he needed me, they would comegrab me and of course, they're
my number one priority and I'mgonna disengage when you're done
that and we're gonna figure outwhatever the issue is at that
moment.
Elle (32:33):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (32:35):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
God, it is so much fun.
Elle (32:41):
I understand why you would be a little resistant to that.
It's not a comfort level or yourwheelhouse, and it may never be.
And that's the beauty of this.
Yeah, that's okay.
That's perfect for you guys.
There's nothing wrong with that,but I love to learn, you know?
Yes.
And also it's kind of fun towatch sometimes.
Oh yeah, definitely.
All the different body partsdefinitely fun.
The watch.
Yes.
(33:01):
So there's, there's nothingwrong with that, that in your,
you're kink, you're.
Go to or comfort level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (33:09):
Love it.
Elle (33:11):
Great question.
I love it.
Yeah.
I truly thank you guys.
Thank you.
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Elle (34:19):
Yay.
Tramp (34:20):
Well Styles.
And Chloe, this has just been anamazing morning.
Elle (34:24):
Thanks for coming over and doing this.
Thanks for having us.
Yes, thanks for having us.
I love, I just love hearingeverybody's point of views, and
their stories.
Tramp (34:31):
Everyone's as unique and the more information that we can
put out there, whether peopleare on the fence or maybe
they're veterans it's a newperspective.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's always putting out a new
perspective and making people think.
Elle (34:45):
Right.
And not assume you see somebodylong younger like you and Oh
well, you know, oh, they'rereally not into it, or they're
not as committed, or, you know,whatever.
Or they
Styles (34:58):
might have problems.
Right.
Exactly.
And I really enjoyed getting toknow both of you today.
Thank you for having us and yeah, I think we.
Great Sunday today.
Yep.
Let's go Broncos and wear your hey dudes on Sundays.
No.
Elle (35:12):
Oh, that's right.
We didn't bring that up.
We were talking about that lastnight that if you listen to two
podcasts ago Bryce, Bryce hadmentioned somebody who shows up
every time in t-shirt and, Heydudes.
And that's him here.
His name is Styles.
Styles (35:29):
Thank you.
Thank you.
And Styles,
Elle (35:31):
ironically with the name, might wanna up his game someday
and shock us all and wear, Idon't know, a button up shirt or
Styles (35:41):
leave the people on in it.
Elle (35:44):
Somebody is stubborn.
Tramp (35:48):
Well everyone thank you once again just for continuing
to come on this journey with us.
We can be reached atunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
Our website is also unapologeticswingers.com, and the biggest
ask that we have is wherever youhave to be listening, just leave
us a review that helps us outand helps get the message out
(36:10):
more than anything at all.
Elle (36:12):
Yes, please, and thank you.
Until next time, I'm l
Tramp (36:18):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (36:19):
Be sexy, be
Tramp (36:20):
confident,
Elle (36:21):
be unapologetic.
Okay.
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:06):
and I'm the Tramp, and just as I say, seemingly every
single episode, just, but we, wedo, we truly do.
Welcome and from the bottom ofour hearts, just a thank you for
continuing to come along on thiswonderful journey with us and we
talk about the lifestyle andsometimes our own situations
(00:28):
and.
Oftentimes, just like today, wehave guests in that we're very
appreciative of.
Mm-hmm.
And it's really just our ownadventures and lifestyle.
The highs and lows andeverything in between.
Elle (00:39):
That's right.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Tramp (00:41):
Indeed.
So we're gonna launch right intotoday.
We would like to welcome Stylesand Chloe to the podcast.
Welcome guys.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Chloe (00:53):
Thank you for having us.
Tramp (00:55):
What I really want to get right into is the unapologetic
story this week, and tell usabout how you guys came into
this world.
Styles (01:06):
We definitely have a interesting story.
I think maybe a little bitdifferent when it comes to going
into the lifestyle.
We had some outside influencethat might be a little different
than most people do.
And so I'll kind of let Chloekind of talk about that and then
I'll chime in when,'cause shealways tells stories better just
because.
She had a different perspectiveof it all.
Okay.
Chloe (01:26):
I will say that I was always bi-curious with girls and
so I think that's what our firstthing was.
And I had a first experiencewith a girl with well being in
the lifestyle and I was like, ohwow.
I really do like girls and theyreally do turn me on.
Hmm, where can we get a littlebit more of this?
Styles (01:45):
Yeah.
And at the time we were livingin Omaha, so we weren't living
in here.
Tramp (01:50):
I would imagine that the lifestyle scene in Omaha is not
exactly booming.
Styles (01:54):
Actually
Elle (01:55):
go, whoops.
Styles (01:56):
Crazy enough.
The first time we ever went totemptation, there was a whole
gang of people from Omaha.
There was like 35 people thatall came out from Omaha.
Like, so apparently they do havesome kind of scene.
Yeah.
Never assume underground.
Yeah.
That shocked us as well.
So, yeah, we were in Omaha atthe time, so we were like, okay,
how can we do this?
And it was just some of ourclose friends that Chloe had our
(02:18):
experience with.
We thought it'd be a good ideato kind of see if we could
explore more.
So we ended up moving to NewYork after that.
And again, never really thoughtabout looking into a lifestyle
scene or never even really knewwhat the lifestyle was at that
time.
That was a short stint.
We lived there for a year andthen we were on our way back to
(02:39):
Colorado where we live now.
And I was in the car with mydad, so this is kind of where my
dad comes in the story and we'retalking about it.
And, I'm very open and honest.
My dad, Chloe's parents are verymore reserved.
So she doesn't always have thebest time to be able to
communicate with them.
She also uses my dad as aresource.
So we were talking in the carand he's, he's telling me about
(03:02):
this magical place in in Denver.
And he's explained to me that,you guys could really live out
your lifestyle if you guys wannatry that, or you can maybe, find
a girl if you wanna try that.
And so we're like, okay, we'llgive it a try.
Ends up being the ranch, right?
Mm-hmm.
So we go there one time in thesummer.
This is about four years agonow.
Yeah.
(03:22):
And we really enjoyed ourselves.
We ended up starting to go maybeonce a month and then, my dad
would text me and be like, Hey,are you guys going to the ranch
tonight?
So we would kind of trade offdays Yeah.
When we were gonna go there.
Elle (03:34):
I understand that.
Well, I have, a couple ofquestions here.
Absolutely.
First of all as we were talkingbefore the show you guys brought
up the fact that you're highschool sweethearts.
Yes.
And so you really had just onlybeen with each other.
I would say for the most partright
Styles (03:50):
abs Yeah.
We've been, together since wewere 15.
Elle (03:52):
Yes.
Wow.
Okay.
And then my other question iswhen you were in the car talking
with your dad, did you bring upthe lifestyle first and then
he's talked about it?
Or did he just sort of throwthat out there?
I think
Chloe (04:04):
I've like mentioned I'm into girls and just wanting to
broaden our horizon.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I think that's how it gotbrought up.
Styles (04:12):
It was an opening.
Yeah.
Yes.
Uhhuh, like I, I said, like Isaid, Chloe's always been really
good at communicating with myfather, and they're hilarious
when they talk.
Elle (04:19):
Okay.
Styles (04:19):
That's how I just kind of got brought up.
My dad just said, Hey, did youguys go explore this place?
He'd known that we've beentogether since we were really
young and mm-hmm.
And, we've always beenseparated, so it's always been
like me and her alone.
And then we had kids reallyyoung, so.
It was kind of our time to dosomething different.
Right.
We're coming home, this is wherethe grandparents live.
So we had opportunity to go outand have fun with the two of us
(04:39):
and see what we like.
So yes.
That is awesome.
That's
nice.
'cause then you had thatsupportive, Hey, we're gonna go
out.
Can you watch the kids?
Yes.
And they know you don't have toput the big coat on to get out
the house.
Exactly.
And we did have the experience where we both were at
the club at the same time.
It was his birthday the veryfirst year,
Chloe (04:56):
but we kind of.
Try, like we, we
Styles (04:58):
did kind of try crashing his time.
Chloe (05:00):
Oh,
that
was on purpose, right?
Yes, it was.
He kept telling us like, do notshow up.
Do not show up.
And we're like, okay, we won,and then
Styles (05:07):
you can only tell me not to do something
Tramp (05:08):
so many times before I do it.
So, well, you're gonna wanna do
Chloe (05:10):
it.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:11):
I think that's pretty natural as a father myself, you
tell your children don't dothis.
Oh, they're gonna do it.
Exactly.
Yeah,
Elle (05:16):
yeah, yeah.
Well, now that you've put thatthought in my head
Tramp (05:19):
exactly.
Chloe (05:19):
We waited till like the night was over and then we just
like showed up and he was justlike.
I knew you guys were gonna come.
We're like, yep.
Luckily,
Styles (05:27):
my, my parents were separated, so it was my stepmom,
so it wasn't as bad as likegoing there and see my mom
there.
So, yeah.
That I think that's worse thanseeing my father.
Elle (05:35):
So you guys got in the lifestyle, but you had moved
here and started going to theranch about four years ago.
What other things have you guysdone?
Have you done some traveling?
Have you gone to other clubs?
Chloe (05:46):
We've gone to Temptations twice and Desire.
Mm-hmm.
And we did do one in Vegas too.
The,
Styles (05:54):
yeah, we went to one of the lifestyle clubs in Vegas
when we were out there.
One try.
We always.
Heard that Vegas was a funlifestyle place and we were
trying to see how we could, youknow, wiggle our time there.
So yeah,
Tramp (06:06):
there's a lot of options in Vegas.
I'm personally a huge fan ofVegas, whether it's, one of the
assorted topless pools ortopless optional pools, if you
will.
Mm-hmm.
There are a, a myriad of clubsout there.
Some, some not so good, at leastreputation wise.
I think it's a hotspot as far asthe lifestyle is concerned, just
because not only do they have avery strong local community, if
(06:28):
you will.
Mm-hmm.
But the people travelingthrough.
Elle (06:32):
Right.
When we've gone, we have yet togo to one of the clubs there.
We keep meaning to, butsometimes it's it.
We're traveling from somewhereelse back to Colorado and like
on a Tuesday and a Wednesday anda Thursday.
And then there was one timewe're like, okay, let's go and
we'll stay through Fridaynights.
So we at least get one of those.
But hearing that they open solate, we're like, I don't know,
(06:54):
it doesn't sound good.
And then we wound up having asingle man over and it was.
Amazing.
And we didn't miss out onanything.
We've had fun.
Every time we've gone, it's justwe haven't gone to the clubs.
Styles (07:04):
Yeah.
We've had a great time at likethe topless pool parties, like
you were saying.
Mm-hmm.
Almost every time we go outthere, if it's in the summer, we
stop at there one time.
Our experience at the club outthere wasn't great.
Okay.
So I think we're spoiled herehaving the ranch.
Agreed.
It's, it's a beautiful club,right.
And our expectations were onlythat, yeah.
(07:24):
So when we went to this otherclub in Las Vegas, it was just
very different.
At the time they were having anacho buffet.
So it was also a little weird tome.
Like I always like to see thatsexy side of it, and I think the
ranch does a good job with that.
Elle (07:36):
Mm-hmm.
Styles (07:37):
So when people were like at a buffet in nachos, it was
kind of not as sexy to me,although
Elle (07:41):
I've heard if you're really hungry, it's kind of nice
to have that buffet or thatbreakfast buffet that some of
them do.
Yeah.
Tramp (07:48):
But I don't know if I'd want to throw down a big plate
of garlic and onions right
Elle (07:54):
before you're about to get jalapenos.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah.
Forget the jalapenos.
No, say no, just say no.
Tramp (08:03):
Not if you're a fan of.
F going down.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Get a little spicy, so to
speak.
Literally and physically.
Elle (08:12):
So four years.
I mean, I've only been in forwhat, five and a half, you know?
What kind of fun stories do youhave?
Tell us the good and a bad.
You can go first.
Styles (08:22):
Okay.
Yeah.
So I would say we've had both,definitely had both good and
bad.
Surprisingly enough, our firsttime.
Ever having experience at theranch was actually really good.
Yeah, surprisingly we had talkedso much and I hear it all the
time on in your guys' podcast,that communication's key, but.
When you're in the moment,sometimes things just happen.
(08:44):
Right, right.
Very true.
We, never went in withintentions of having a full
swap.
Chloe (08:48):
Yeah.
We've always talked about likethe soft swap, in this moment.
It just happened so naturallythat we ended up full swapping
and it was actually amazing.
Like there was no bad thingsthat happened.
So, good flow.
Yes.
It
Tramp (09:02):
was amazing flow and sometimes you never know what
the reaction is going to be,good or bad.
Exactly.
With a new experience.
Oh, yeah.
Chloe (09:11):
No.
And so I think I just went inthere open-minded and yeah, it
just turned out really fun.
Styles (09:17):
Yeah.
And that's one of the thingsthat, we're trying to get better
on every time is thiscommunication thing, right?
Mm-hmm.
We're, we're learning.
And the more we experience, Ithink the more we can talk about
it, right?
Because it's difficult when,sometimes you get the green
light and then, you know, thenext day that's a red light, and
you're kind of shocked by it inthe morning, right?
Mm-hmm.
And Chloe is a little bit moreabrasive to that nature of, of
(09:39):
kind of like going in her headthe next day about it.
Whereas I'm more just like, allright, that was fun.
Like.
New day, right?
Yeah.
I know what go into my headsometimes, and I've talked with
other people.
Yeah.
What kind of things do you thinkabout the next day?
Is it a guilt?
Is it a wow that was furtherthan I wanted to go?
Chloe (09:55):
I feel like sometimes it can be further than what I
wanted to go and even though Igive him the green light, but
the next day I feel like, oh,well maybe that wasn't okay.
Elle (10:04):
Are you talking about okay for to see him doing something?
Or something that you did?
Chloe (10:09):
More so styles.
Yeah.
Even though I'm looking at himand I'm like, oh, it's good,
we're good.
And then the next day I'm justlike, oh, I regret giving you
the green light.
But yes.
So I really need to work onactually being in the moment and
the next day I need to realizethat like it was okay.
(10:29):
To give you the green light andI don't need to be mad or
anything about it.
Elle (10:32):
I think that's something that, a lot of us have
experienced.
I know Jay and I have had someconversations.
He's like, well, you said it wasfine that we did this and, and
now you're not okay.
I am like, yeah, okay.
Well, and here's the reasonswhy, or I'm not sure why I'm not
okay.
I wanna think about that for awhile, and again, ha, I love it.
(10:55):
It comes back to thecommunication.
At least it gives us anopportunity to talk about it.
And then the next time Jay willbe like, okay, now you're saying
this.
Are you sure that you feel okayabout this?
Yeah.
Because I don't want to everstep over those bounds.
Tramp (11:11):
Right.
I think it's natural that younever want to disappoint your
partner.
Elle (11:15):
Right.
Tramp (11:16):
And you find out after the fact, even though you were
given the green light per se.
It's not only communication.
The other part I, I trulybelieve of the lifestyle is the
grace and recovery afterwards.
It's never going to be,sometimes it is perfect.
Sometimes it's very imperfectand how you recover from that as
(11:36):
a couple, it's not just thecommunication, it's taking your
own accountability to say, youknow what?
I did give you the green light.
I have to sit in my.
Internal unrest with it.
But you guys are a team.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's the biggest thing where,you know, at the end of the
night, it's gonna be you guys.
Yeah.
And only you guys.
Styles (11:57):
Yeah.
And I think that's somethingthat Chloe actually really
enjoys.
And I usually, that's how I cancalm her down, I just start
going after Chloe and.
Showing her that, you know,she's always my number one and
Well,
Elle (12:06):
that reconnection
Styles (12:07):
ab absolutely.
That
Elle (12:08):
that doesn't matter.
That was fun.
We did that.
It's okay, but you and I, that'swhat counts.
Yeah.
Styles (12:14):
Yeah.
And I think it's the thing, youknow, a lot of people think, oh,
if you've been married forever,it's easier.
And I don't think it is.
No.
I mean, we've been married nowfor 13 years and again, us being
high school sweethearts, we'veonly had each other.
And so it's almost harder'causeyou're trying to break up, what
you think you've had togetherfor so long and just kind of
introduce new people in that,but know that you're still as
(12:37):
solid as you've always been,right?
Yeah.
If not more solid, to be honest.
Elle (12:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I said it earlier, but I trulyappreciate the fact, I have
several friends that have beentogether since high school and
we're talking that's 40 yearsago, so that's a long time.
And I always kind of look at it.
And they seem solid.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes people are,sometimes people aren't, but
it's you did actually miss outon the sewing oats part of your
(13:02):
early twenties or even earlythirties.
Allowing each other toexperience that gives you that
opportunity to go, yep.
Made the right choice.
I'm good here.
This is wonderful.
I'm happy we get to have thisextra fun.
Tramp (13:19):
Not to tangent too far off, but style, something that
you mentioned just a moment agowas the foundation that you guys
have built as a couple, thatstrength is paramount here and
its communication and itsunderstanding and its grace
we've all seen those couplesthat come into the lifestyle
(13:39):
jumping into the deep end of thepool.
But what they're attempting todo is fix something that's a
foundational flaw.
Right.
Within their relationship.
Exactly.
And they tend to burn out veryquickly and there's a lot of
drama involved in everythingelse.
I know I've seen it a number oftimes.
Mm-hmm.
L I'm sure do that.
I totally have
Elle (13:58):
seen it.
And, as you get more into thelifestyle, you can spot that
sooner.
Styles (14:03):
Exactly right.
And Chloe, correct me if I'mwrong, but we've always had
great sex.
'cause that was never an issue.
Like for us it was just more so,Hey, you know, we missed out on
these twenties, but we love eachother and we're very sexual
people, so let's go see if wecould try some new experience.
Right.
Jazz, jazz it up a little.
Yeah, we, went with nointentions of fixing anything.
I really think that helped,especially being on the younger
side of lifestyle.
(14:23):
Mm-hmm.
Because people always look atyou mm, they might be immature.
We've had friends on yourpodcast that will probably tell
you where some of the moremature, early 30 year olds that
go there because we've had thatconnection for so long.
We don't let a lot of otherthings get between us and it
makes it easier to have fun andexpress yourself and enjoy
yourself.
Chloe (14:41):
Yes, I would totally agree.
Tramp (14:44):
That's awesome guys.
Now, how about a not so perfectexperience if you had Grace us
with that
Elle (14:51):
And the reason we do this is because.
People need to hear thosestories.
Yeah.
When we first started andstarted listening to the
podcast, it's like, oh God,yeah.
I could totally see thathappening.
How would we deal with it?
Chloe (15:06):
Yeah.
You know so this is anotherexperience at the ranch.
We were both, playing with thedi different people and
Styles (15:14):
same room.
Chloe (15:15):
Same room.
Okay.
But yeah.
And just like doing the funnel,you know, steps of, oral and
everything and they wanted to gofurther.
And I was like, okay, but weneed condoms.
So usually means the green lightis good to go, right?
Mm-hmm.
And usually styles follows mylead.
(15:35):
If we're having sex me and theother person, then he's like,
oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Well, this time styles decidedto not follow my lead and just
started having sex.
And so I kind of felt I got inmy fields and I was like, oh,
wow.
He kind of crossed our boundarybut not crossed our boundary.
And so I kind of freaked out.
(15:56):
And got dressed really fast andjust ran upstairs, which
probably was not a good time.
Probably made the other couplefeel really bad.
Oh
Styles (16:05):
yeah.
Chloe (16:06):
So I felt really bad the next day.
Styles (16:08):
Yeah, that's a good point is how you make other
couples feel in situations likethat.
Right.
A lot of times you don't thinkback'cause you're so concerned
about your relationship.
But yeah, we, we definitely hurtthe other couple's feelings that
night, but.
M again, my first priority isalways gonna be my life.
Mm-hmm.
And that's just kind as itshould be.
Yes.
And that's how I thought.
So I, I immediately, stoppedwhat I was doing and went after
(16:29):
her.
We did have to re-talk to thecouple.
We couldn't just leave'em like,no.
Like,
Elle (16:33):
okay, nope, we're gone.
Done.
Yeah.
And leave them wondering.
Yes.
Tramp (16:36):
There's always those circumstances where I'm sure in
their minds they were like, whatthe fuck just happened?
Oh,
Styles (16:43):
that's what they told us.
Chloe (16:45):
Yeah.
They're like, I'm notunderstanding what happened.
Yeah.
I thought we were all, they'relike, I thought we were all on
the same page.
I thought so too.
And then the moment that, I felthe did like, not cross the
boundary, but didn't follow my,my jump the gun.
Yeah.
'Cause normally he just followsmy lead and Yeah.
This time he did not.
And so I kind of felt hurt inthe moment,
Elle (17:04):
but nothing to do with them.
No, it had nothing.
No, it had nothing to do
Chloe (17:08):
with them.
And so I
Elle (17:09):
think it's just as important to have that
communication with the peoplethat you're playing with too.
Oh yes.
Chloe (17:13):
The next day I text them and I wrote a whole thing like,
I'm so sorry.
And yeah, that was good.
Yeah,
Tramp (17:20):
that's really good.
It's a respectful thing to do.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Styles (17:24):
I actually got a funny story if you guys wanna hear it.
Yes, we
Elle (17:26):
absolutely do.
Styles (17:27):
So.
Our first house party.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we were talking aboutgoing to different places.
Our first house party ever wasin the Denver area.
Brand new to the scene.
This is probably three monthsafter we started going in
Chloe (17:42):
to the ranch.
Yeah.
Styles (17:43):
Yep.
To the ranch.
So around Christmas time we goto this house party.
Didn't know what to expect.
Right.
We've always heard about houseparties.
Didn't know if it was like amore aggressive area, more free
for all.
We didn't know.
So we went there with openexpectations and ended up being
really fun.
A lot of dancing.
Awesome.
Amazing house.
And then we're dancing on thedance floor, getting our little
(18:04):
groove on, and all of a suddenChloe taps me and says, I think
I know that person.
Okay.
Normally that's not bad.
It's like, all right, not bigdeal.
It's a little different whenChloe's known her since she was
13 and they used to dance allthe time together.
Oh, very strange.
Chloe (18:20):
Yeah.
You wouldn't think that youwould see another person at a
lifestyle party, and so you'rejust like what do you do?
Styles (18:27):
Yeah.
It was extremely weird.
'cause the last time we saw her,she was what?
17?
Yeah, I think so.
So we, we've known her for sixyears pretty much our.
Old, beginning of our earlyrelationship, we knew this girl.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
Tramp (18:39):
And the thing with a house party is generally they're
pretty well curated, which meansit's not gonna be someone who
just showed up randomly.
Mm-hmm.
Correct.
How did
Styles (18:50):
that conversation go?
We were the plus ones thatnight, again, getting introduced
to the, the different people.
And we found out that they knewthat the house.
Owners at the time and justrandomly so that's kind of how
they got brought in there.
And then this night goes on.
And then the weirder spot is,it's weird enough seeing someone
(19:10):
there.
And then Chloe at the time goesdownstairs and there's her and
two other girls, like she's in
Chloe (19:18):
a train of eating pussy.
And I'm like, oh my God.
Wow.
Yeah, and I'm just like.
Oh, wow.
She's really in the lifestyle.
I'm like, this is not
Styles (19:27):
new.
Chloe (19:28):
Yeah.
I'm like, this is not her firsttime.
Styles (19:31):
Yep.
On a pool table.
Yeah.
On a pool table.
Yeah.
Chloe (19:33):
I was just like, oh.
And I was like, oh, that'spretty hot at the same time.
But I was like, wow.
Styles (19:39):
So it is a running thing now between us and her husband
and her, well pretty much me andher husband, that we always joke
about, what the girls got it on,you know, because.
That'd be weird because they'veknown each other since they were
13 and now they're, you know,going at it with each other.
It's like, how would thatexperience play out?
Chloe (19:54):
So
that's never
happened.
No, but they always talk aboutit.
So I've I've
Styles (19:58):
tried encouraging in your heads it's happened in your
heads.
Absolutely.
It's happened in my head severaltimes.
Tramp (20:05):
The imagination is a powerful thing.
Yeah.
Elle (20:08):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That's always interesting.
We were at the club a coupleweeks ago and I was with my
friend that I used to work withthat I got into the lifestyle.
'cause she was, her and herboyfriend were very curious
about it.
And I had opened up one nightafter Margaritas and she's like,
oh yeah, okay.
And so they really loved going.
And I had told her at one pointthat someone we worked with that
(20:31):
was our boss at the company.
Also had reached out to mepreviously on Cassidy and said,
just in case we run into eachother, I just wanna let you know
I just saw you here.
And I'm like, okay.
And she was there with herboyfriend and I went to the
bathroom and I'm like, I thinkthat's our coworker.
And I came back out and the twoof them are talking.
(20:52):
So the three of us are all atthe ranch at the same time.
I was like.
Okay.
It was a lot.
Tramp (21:00):
Definitely.
So does that technically make ita corporate meeting?
Did you have to keep
Elle (21:04):
Oh my God, let me imagine if we were still all working
there.
Oh, interesting.
Monday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it was, it was prettyhilarious.
But yeah, that's never gonnahappen.
And, and with her, I'mencouraging.
I fully support, you know, shekissed her first girl the other
day and, just like my sororitysister, don't think we'd ever
(21:25):
play.
Might be in the same room withher.
You're killing my dreams rightnow.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Jay's two, but I don't everwanna assume or put her in that
position, you know?
Tramp (21:40):
I think that's an overarching thing in the
lifestyle in terms of there'salways the possibility.
That's the biggest fear withmm-hmm.
Newbies.
Elle (21:47):
Yeah.
Tramp (21:48):
W we're going to come face to face with a coworker or
a friend or someone.
You almost just have to convinceyourself, well, it's gonna
happen, but they are there forthe same reason that you are.
Exactly.
Elle (22:02):
Yes.
And you hope that there's therespect that no one's gonna out
the other person.
Styles (22:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
You know, talk to your spouseabout it, don't talk to other
people about it.
That couple may not like thatpart of their life exposed with
what I do for work, we're kindof like that.
We have so many friends fromlifestyle.
I would say 98% of our friendsthat live here
Elle (22:20):
are,
are lifestyle and they
Styles (22:22):
are the best people, right?
Yes.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Elle (22:25):
We did have a an unfortunate situation with that
a couple years ago, Jay, when hewas.
Working a corporate job.
And one of his coworkers hadmoved up from the Springs'cause
she and her husband wanted to,they're like, yeah, we wanted,
you know, we've heard about thisswinger place and we wanna go.
She's running around saying thisat work.
Oh.
And, and Jake come home.
(22:46):
He's like, oh, she was talkingabout it again.
I go, oh, we're gonna run intoher at some point.
And and we did.
And she showed up and, and herhusband came over to Jay.
He's like, Hey, listen, you guysare here.
We're here.
This is cool.
Jay thought that was prettygood.
And then there was another timethat they had come and that they
liked to go on glow night.
(23:07):
And on Monday morning, Jay's outthere working in the warehouse
and another coworker camewalking up and said, oh, Scarlet
Ranch, huh?
And.
He held onto that all day.
We had gone for Wednesday nightdinner and we were sitting there
and he is like, okay, you've hada glass of wine.
I need to tell you this.
(23:29):
And I'm like that C word.
And I'm like, I wanna a throatpuncher.
You wanna talk about it?
Talk about it all day long withwhoever you want.
You do not out somebody else.
It was such exactly an uncoolthing to do.
And
Styles (23:46):
I was, yeah, and you can't get that back, right.
'cause once it's out there.
People like to talk.
Elle (23:51):
Right.
Exactly.
So, you know, he is tellingeverybody else.
But it's like I wasn't her jobto tell.
No.
Yeah.
You know,
Styles (23:57):
and I think that's one of the things about having
lifestyle friends.
Everyone thinks that, if youhave lifestyle friends, you guys
just all play together.
No, no.
We have.
Family gatherings.
All of our lifestyle friendshave know our kids.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
We go pool days with the kids.
We take'em out on the boats,together with the kids.
We do everything as likefamilies, not just, sexy time
for the adults.
Right.
And it's, it's a game changer.
Chloe (24:18):
Yeah.
'cause everybody knows how toturn it on and off, you just
know and then coming up with howwe actually like met, you know,
always.
It's always this is how we met.
Yeah.
So like
Styles (24:26):
what we brought up earlier with Chloe's parents
being more reserved, that'salways the thing is like when we
have our kids' birthday parties,how do you guys know each other?
Uhhuh well, let's try doing thison the fly.
Elle (24:37):
Yeah.
Like figure out your story aheadof time.
Yes.
Tramp (24:40):
Yes.
And there's always this moment,and I think men are probably a
little bit more guilty of this,where say it is a vanilla
gathering but there's alcoholinvolved.
Elle (24:51):
Oh sure.
Tramp (24:52):
And you get a little buzz and all of a sudden, you.
Oh, pat someone on the ass andyou're, and right.
You get shot that look like,
Chloe (24:59):
what are you doing?
What?
And
Tramp (25:00):
it's sometimes it's just so automatic, the familiarity
Chloe (25:03):
or when you like kiss each other when you say hello
and goodbye.
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes, kids are like,did that just happen?
And you're like, whoops.
Elle (25:11):
I's a little overly familiar.
Chloe (25:13):
Yeah.
I think Styles has done thatlike a couple times and he's
like.
Oh wait,
Styles (25:18):
but I do the same thing.
I'll go with my grandma's and Iforget.
I'm like, grandma, I like trykissing her lips.
Like that's weird.
Tramp (25:27):
Well guys, in closing, is there any other wisdom that you
guys want to hit us with?
This has been an incredibleYeah.
Fun conversation and just fun.
Styles (25:38):
I, I think to the population out there go.
Explore what's good for you andyour spouse, and don't let age
or anything feel like you can'tfit in.
And don't let age be a definingfactor between you and other
people you play with.
Chloe (25:55):
Yeah.
I would agree on that.
If they're really good looking.
Don't be like, oh, I can't gotalk to them'cause they're good
looking or mm-hmm.
I feel like you should just havea open-minded and you can, no
one's gonna judge you, or noone's gonna be like, oh, I don't
wanna talk to you.
You know?
I just feel like the ranch isvery opening, mm-hmm.
For that.
So, yeah.
Tramp (26:14):
Love it.
Chloe (26:15):
Yeah.
Elle (26:16):
Well, speaking of the ranch.
I would like to just take amoment and give a special shout
out to the Scarlet Ranch.
It's North America's premierupscale private lifestyle
destination.
So if you're in the area oryou're coming to Denver or think
that you might be comingthrough, certainly check out the
(26:37):
website at.
Scarlet ranch.com and come andsee the two incredible bars and
the games and top-notchrestaurant.
If you get an opportunity to eatthere, I always would highly
recommend it.
The food is amazing and there'sspacious areas, open areas
upstairs and private socialareas downstairs when you wanna
(26:58):
get a little steamier.
Tramp (27:00):
And I would add, as a general.
Announcement.
If you guys are coming toColorado and gonna visit the
ranch, drop us a line.
There's a good chance that one,if not all three of us will be
there.
Very true.
And we'd love to meet you guys.
Elle (27:14):
And also if you do come, let the ranch know that you
heard about this on our podcast.
We talk about how we mention it,just about every episode and, we
would just like to see, youknow, that that's made some
reach and some impact.
And also, I do wanna say movingout of that though, you are
somewhere else in the countryand you have a club that you're
(27:36):
really excited about, you wannashare some stories and
information, we'd love to talkto you and maybe see about
getting you on the podcast andtalk about adventures that are
somewhere else.
Right now, our pool is prettymuch here in Colorado.
Mm-hmm.
And it is interesting and it'sfun and I love getting to know.
I didn't know you guys beforelast night when you came up and
introduced yourselves which wasvery fun.
(27:58):
And but we'd love to talk toother people too.
Tramp (28:01):
Always, always, any communication is very welcome.
Elle (28:05):
That's nice segue in.
Tramp (28:10):
Well, this week we do not have an a MA, so I'm gonna put
our guests on the spot just alittle bit.
And I'm not trying to blindsideyou guys, but.
Given our cumulative knowledgeand time and the lifestyle.
Do you guys have any burningquestions for us?
(28:33):
I do.
Okay.
Just like this one,
Styles (28:34):
Chloe, just fire it.
When did you know that orgieswere your thing?
Elle (28:40):
Ooh.
Well, you're assuming an orgy ismy thing.
True properly, but you know, Ithink it was probably one of the
first ones that we went to.
We were going to a house partyand we knew a lot of the people
that were gonna be there and thesituation was set up, so where a
(29:00):
big group of people could playin one area and just the puppy
pile feel, the not knowing who'sdoing what and where, and just
all the feels and all the,physical touch and attention and
that just blending of all thepeople together really, that
(29:20):
that definitely was eyeopeningand pleasurable.
Tramp (29:26):
I know I've mentioned on previous episodes, and you're
absolutely right styles that aproper orgy, there's nothing
like it.
I think what I enjoy about it isyou can kind of get lost in the
moment.
Elle (29:38):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (29:40):
Personally speaking, if I'm in a four way full swap
situation, I always have acertain amount of attention on
my partner.
What is she doing?
Whether it detracts from myinteraction with the other gal
at the time.
But I think in the orgysituation, assuming that there's
universal attraction, and that'smore often to happen at a house
(30:02):
party situation where the guestlist is vetted or curated, if
you will.
And so chances are everyone isgonna be fairly attractive and
you can mesh pretty well witheveryone.
It's about the energy, I think.
It's just everyone is having agood time and the sights and
sounds, and it's so much fun toget lost in that moment for me.
Elle (30:29):
I like that.
Yes.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
What about you guys?
And turn it right back around toyou.
Chloe (30:35):
We've never done an orgy before.
Oh
yeah.
Okay.
No.
Like we keep getting invited tohouse parties that end up in
that situation and we kind ofstep a little back from it.
Elle (30:48):
Does it seem like it's just too much going on?
Interesting.
You would ask that question.
So why did you ask the question?
Styles (30:53):
Because I was always curious about it.
'cause like Chloe said, we,we've never experienced one and,
and we do, usually when we findourselves in that situation, we
kind of pull ourselves out of itand just kind of watch.
It'd all go down.
Elle (31:09):
Well, I like what Tramp had said, it's that you're just
in the moment and the nice thingabout it is you get out of your
head and you're not thinkingabout the next move or what's
happening or what your is goingon with your partner.
And you are literally in themoment,
Tramp (31:28):
and you have to trust that your partner.
Is safe.
Yeah, they are.
Okay.
And and part of that is, istrusting the rest of the group.
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Yes.
All the men in the group.
All the women in the group.
Elle (31:40):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (31:41):
I would assume, based on that answer you guys are
strictly a same room swapsituation.
Yes.
Okay.
Styles (31:49):
Yeah.
I guess we didn't explain thatearlier.
Yeah, we're same room.
We've done full swap.
Yeah, we appreciate seeing eachother.
We feed off of that.
Yeah.
Oh, I, I'm
Tramp (31:58):
completely on board with that.
But in an orgy situation, you'regoing to lose sight of your
partner.
You still may physically be inthe same room, but with all the
bodies and all the, you know,activities, exciting, it's, it's
very easy to say, oh wait, shewas there and you make Lance
over, and all of a sudden she'snot there anymore.
And there's that moment ofpanic.
But you just kinda have totrust, trust inside.
(32:20):
It's like, you know what?
She's safe if she needed me.
Or he needed me, they would comegrab me and of course, they're
my number one priority and I'mgonna disengage when you're done
that and we're gonna figure outwhatever the issue is at that
moment.
Elle (32:33):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (32:35):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
God, it is so much fun.
Elle (32:41):
I understand why you would be a little resistant to that.
It's not a comfort level or yourwheelhouse, and it may never be.
And that's the beauty of this.
Yeah, that's okay.
That's perfect for you guys.
There's nothing wrong with that,but I love to learn, you know?
Yes.
And also it's kind of fun towatch sometimes.
Oh yeah, definitely.
All the different body partsdefinitely fun.
The watch.
Yes.
(33:01):
So there's, there's nothingwrong with that, that in your,
you're kink, you're.
Go to or comfort level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (33:09):
Love it.
Elle (33:11):
Great question.
I love it.
Yeah.
I truly thank you guys.
Thank you.
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Elle (34:19):
Yay.
Tramp (34:20):
Well Styles.
And Chloe, this has just been anamazing morning.
Elle (34:24):
Thanks for coming over and doing this.
Thanks for having us.
Yes, thanks for having us.
I love, I just love hearingeverybody's point of views, and
their stories.
Tramp (34:31):
Everyone's as unique and the more information that we can
put out there, whether peopleare on the fence or maybe
they're veterans it's a newperspective.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's always putting out a new
perspective and making people think.
Elle (34:45):
Right.
And not assume you see somebodylong younger like you and Oh
well, you know, oh, they'rereally not into it, or they're
not as committed, or, you know,whatever.
Or they
Styles (34:58):
might have problems.
Right.
Exactly.
And I really enjoyed getting toknow both of you today.
Thank you for having us and yeah, I think we.
Great Sunday today.
Yep.
Let's go Broncos and wear your hey dudes on Sundays.
No.
Elle (35:12):
Oh, that's right.
We didn't bring that up.
We were talking about that lastnight that if you listen to two
podcasts ago Bryce, Bryce hadmentioned somebody who shows up
every time in t-shirt and, Heydudes.
And that's him here.
His name is Styles.
Styles (35:29):
Thank you.
Thank you.
And Styles,
Elle (35:31):
ironically with the name, might wanna up his game someday
and shock us all and wear, Idon't know, a button up shirt or
Styles (35:41):
leave the people on in it.
Elle (35:44):
Somebody is stubborn.
Tramp (35:48):
Well everyone thank you once again just for continuing
to come on this journey with us.
We can be reached atunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
Our website is also unapologeticswingers.com, and the biggest
ask that we have is wherever youhave to be listening, just leave
us a review that helps us outand helps get the message out
(36:10):
more than anything at all.
Elle (36:12):
Yes, please, and thank you.
Until next time, I'm l
Tramp (36:18):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (36:19):
Be sexy, be
Tramp (36:20):
confident,
Elle (36:21):
be unapologetic.
Okay.
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