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Elle (00:05):
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm L
Tramp (00:08):
and I'm the tramp.
I'd like to welcome L back as myguest co host.
Once again, I'm veryappreciative of having you back
in the co host seat.
Elle (00:18):
Well, thanks for having me.
Glad I didn't disappoint.
Tramp (00:21):
Not in the slightest.
So guys, what we're going to dois, well, let me just do a
little recap.
This is the unapologetic swingerpodcast and we really talk about
things that we have been throughand we've been some sexy stories
from our own experiences.
(00:41):
Now, sometimes these experiencesare great victories and
sometimes they're the agony ofdefeat.
If you get that reference.
But this is going to be episodenumber 11 and it's going to be
titled things we learned thehard way.
Elle (00:57):
Yes.
Tramp (00:59):
We all have those experiences where you go in with
the best of intentions andsometimes the wheels just come
off in a horrible way.
Elle (01:09):
Yeah, but that's how we learn.
And that's how we can adjust.
And if you have the right amountof communication, you can get
through it and you're strongerfor it.
And you eliminate thatpossibility later on, hopefully.
Tramp (01:23):
Well put.
But I think Elle's going tostart off with her unapologetic
story first.
And I'm really interested tohear this since we haven't
really talked about it yet.
Elle (01:33):
Well, this is an early lifestyle show.
experience that Jay and I wentthrough.
We had been dating for a coupleof months and we had just come
back from Las Vegas and it wasFebruary of 2020 and COVID was
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really starting to ramp up andThings were starting to shut
down, but we had a Saturdaymorning where we got up and a
couple that we had looked at onCassidy had started chatting
with us online.
And there seemed to be someinterest and we had looked at
them previously and they looklike a very fun, sexy couple and
(02:15):
we were kind of excited by itthat they had reached out to us
and had wanted to meet.
And as the day went on and theconversations happened, we
decided to meet that evening ata bar near my house and get to
know them.
And we were very excited.
So we get there a little bitearly.
Like I said, COVID had just beenstarting to ramp up and there
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was almost nobody in the bar,but that was probably nice.
For us, we just sat at a table.
We saw them come in.
Our first impression of themwalking in was, Oh, Well, the
pictures on their Cassidyprofile seem a little old.
Oh, no.
And they looked a little bitmore, shall we say, weathered.
(03:00):
Then we had anticipated, butokay.
So you're saying
Tramp (03:03):
the pictures were dated.
Elle (03:04):
They were dated.
Yes, very much.
So like, oh, oh, okay.
And so they came over to thetable and we introduced
ourselves and started having aconversation.
And as the evening progressed,realized that she probably had
just found out about this date,maybe an hour before.
(03:27):
We actually met them.
So she wasn't part of theconversations through the day
and she didn't seem that excitedto be there.
And he seemed very excited totalk about himself.
So just so you know, this is acouple that we fondly refer to
as Ken and Barbie because theyhad presented themselves as this
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beautiful couple.
Weren't quite there, but it justseemed to epitomize them.
They've thought fairly well ofthemselves and their college
careers.
He played basketball.
She was a cheerleader.
And so they were how shall Isay, very, very kind of full of
themselves.
And like I had said, he spent alot of time talking about
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himself, but we were stillPretty excited to be there had a
couple that was seemedinterested I offered for the
four of us to go back to to myhouse because I lived about a
mile away And there they cameover and what we quickly
realized when we were there isthat Barbie?
Was not quite as interested in Jand As Ken was interested in me
(04:39):
and there's
Tramp (04:41):
an automatic imbalance, if you will, they, they were
clearly not on the same page.
Elle (04:44):
They were very much not on the same page.
Looking back, we would have madesome decisions differently
throughout the evening.
But as it was, we kind offollowed through with it.
The four of us went to thebedroom.
Ken and I played and Barbie andJay.
Kissed a little, played a littlethere, just, she basically just
(05:06):
sort of lay there and wasn'tengaging at all.
And I think that Jay felt veryawkward throughout the process.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:15):
From a guy's perspective, if there's no response of desire
or anything, I know personally,yeah, it's a turnoff.
It's, it doesn't do it for me.
And, and I don't, I would neverwant to make someone feel like.
I'm making them do somethingthat they truly do not want to
do.
Elle (05:33):
Right, right.
Exactly.
And I think, there wasn't awhole lot of activity on their
side of the bed.
On our side of the bed, he wasvery interested.
We We had had sex at one pointand Jay and I are very big
proponents of condoms safe sexBut then there was a second time
he was trying to enter me and Irealized he did not have a
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condom on So at that moment, Iwas like, whoa.
Whoa.
Hey, whoa, you know we usecondoms and You know just sort
of it almost killed the mood atthat moment Looking back, I
think Jay would definitely sayhe would have stopped things at
that point.
And just asked them to leave.
Because we discussed it.
(06:17):
We told them we were very condomfriendly and that was how we
played.
And they didn't respect that.
So there were a lot ofsituations.
I think the evening ended.
Not too long after that and theywent on their way and Jay and I
looked at each other and went,yeah, we need to not do that
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again.
Tramp (06:39):
isn't it amazing, particularly early on the the
situations you find yourself inand you just kind of go with the
flow.
But then since you're learningabout Jay in this scenario.
And kind of your likes andlimitations.
You're still in that learningphase.
So sometimes you're right.
(06:59):
I, we've been there where it'slike, yeah, let's never do that
again.
Elle (07:04):
Right.
And, and as you look back andyou start to dissect what had
happened, you know, we could seethe different time periods.
There's a lot of points where wecould have made a different
decision.
Sure.
And what is the diagram whereyou know, you start with the box
at the top and it's yes, no, yougo right or left and then you go
like a flow chart.
Yes, like sorry, I couldn'tthink of it a flow chart.
(07:26):
Yes, a flow chart but wherewhere would we have done it
differently?
Realizing at the restaurant thatshe had just found out about it.
This was not something that shenecessarily was on board with.
We could have, you Had a drinkand some appetizers and called
it quits right there.
Getting to my house and he's,Ken's kissing on me and Barbie's
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not really wanting to kiss or doanything with Jay.
We certainly could have calledit then at that moment too.
And politely said, things justseem a little bit off.
Maybe we should take a raincheck on this Definitely as play
was progressing and as soon ashe tried to enter me without a
condom We should have stopped itright then.
Tramp (08:10):
Yeah full stop full stop.
Elle (08:12):
This is not cool.
This is unacceptable You knowwhat?
We're not jiving Let's, cutbait.
Well,
Tramp (08:18):
yeah, especially when someone can't respect your
boundaries, right?
Everyone's different, but
Elle (08:22):
exactly, exactly.
And, and Jay by no means wantedto disrespect her boundaries and
was trying to be conscientiousof that and courteous, but also
trying to figure out what mighthave, might work for her, kind
of a thing.
We refer back to that a lot.
When we're talking with newcouples in the lifestyle and we
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definitely have always wanted tobe an open book for somebody
who's just getting into it.
And we have plenty of storiesthat can go either way.
And it's important to let peopleknow and understand that you're
going to make mistakes, thatthings are going to happen, but
how you talk about it later canseriously, positively affect how
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dates or situations go.
And so what we have found, we'rea little bit better of, okay,
first off, like we, we talkedabout last time was no
expectations, not going insaying, okay, you know, we're
getting laid.
Right.
It's not necessarily going to bethat.
It's like, well, let's just getto know another couple and see
where it goes.
And if it's really going welland everybody's driving well,
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well then, then let's take alook at where we might take
things.
Or is this just an initial, Getto know you and then we can
build some anticipation and havea date later on that really
moves things along nicely.
Tramp (09:45):
You know, we have played on the first date before, and I
think in those situations it wasbecause there weren't any red
flags and because thecommunication was just
fantastic.
Right.
Across both couples.
Elle (10:00):
Right.
And being aware of the, maybethe subtle messages that they're
sending to each other too, tryto pick up on that.
And, and ask questions.
Sometimes it's okay to say, Hey,where are you all feeling at
with this?
You know, cause we're veryinterested, but just want to
know where your comfort levelis.
Tramp (10:19):
Yeah.
There's no need, especially ifall the signals are green I
don't see a reason to beataround the bush.
And if you're interested and ifthey're interested, fantastic.
Let's take this to the nextlevel.
If not, No problem.
Elle (10:34):
Great getting to know you and hope we get to see you again
sometime at the club or atanother party, you know, and go
from there.
Tramp (10:44):
The thing is with those situations, as long as you end
on a high note, right, there maybe another time where they
introduce you to some of theirfriends,
Elle (10:53):
right?
Tramp (10:54):
And they say, Hey, we didn't work out, but this is a
great couple.
They're respectful and I wantyou to meet them.
Elle (11:01):
Right.
And who knows for whateverreason, we're too old and
they're looking for couples thatare in their thirties or, you
know, we're not that old, justso you know, not terribly, not
at all.
Definitely don't feel old.
But you never know.
It could be someone doesn't carefor facial hair.
It could be, you know, just
Tramp (11:20):
something so minor.
Yeah.
That it's not a big deal, but itwas enough of a deal breaker and
that's cool.
That's Again, you should neverdo anything.
You don't want to do
Elle (11:31):
right?
It's right.
You never know why someone issaying No, it's really hard to
Not take it personally.
Tramp (11:39):
That's true.
Elle (11:40):
But Trying to be aware of, of, that it might be something
else that has nothing to do withyou.
I have a, another story.
It's not exactly a mistake, butit's that miscommunication
thinking somebody was going onedirection, and rejecting us, but
it turned out it wasn't.
And there was a couple that wemet at the club a number of
times.
(12:00):
We had talked to them.
Super fun, super sexy.
And We were going back andforth.
They had gone on our Cassidyprofile and came back with,
well, I think our play stylesare different.
Well, we took that personallyas, We've shown them something
that they didn't like and theyrejected us for that.
Mm-Hmm.
only to find out down the linethat Oh no, we only, we play
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side by side.
We don't actually swap.
Oh, we don't even do So we onlydo
Tramp (12:29):
parallel play.
Elle (12:30):
Exactly.
They only do parallel play, butthey find it sexy to be around
other people and they have kids.
And when they go to the ranch,you know, they're downstairs
right away because they don'tget to have sex without.
The fear of somebody knocking onthe door at any time, and they
want to get that out of the wayand they find it sexy to be
around other people having sex.
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And it really made us stop andrealize, Oh, this had nothing to
do with us.
This wasn't a rejection of us.
This was 100%.
This is how they play.
And so it really gives us apause to think about Well, it
doesn't have to be that it was arejection of us.
Tramp (13:09):
I think most people learn very quickly when entering the
lifestyle, you can't take thingspersonally yet.
You have to grow a little bit ofa thicker skin and because
rejections are going to happenor no thank yous or.
You know, granted, most peoplehave a little bit more tact, but
quite frankly, some don't andthat's unfortunate.
Elle (13:30):
Right.
And again, you can't take thatpersonally because that's on
them.
Tramp (13:35):
Absolutely correct.
Elle (13:36):
And, we look at it as well.
It's kind of their loss.
We're very fun.
So, that if it doesn't jive up,it doesn't jive up and we move
forward.
There's so many more people inthe lifestyle than I ever
possibly imagined.
So somewhere there's going to bea good fit.
Oh yeah.
Usually multiple
Tramp (13:56):
good fits,
Elle (13:57):
right?
Tramp (13:58):
In a couple of different places.
Well, Elle, thank you forsharing that one.
Elle (14:03):
Yeah.
Do you have any stories likethat?
I do.
Tramp (14:05):
I do.
So guys with Lady Departing I'mjust going to keep on telling
our stories and this one wasfitting.
So my story is to never assumeyour partner can read your mind.
And this was from a takeover inMexico.
It would have been 2022 2023.
(14:30):
It was a multi day takeover andit was great and we were down
there with some of our localfriends, a group of us and met
all kinds of great people.
Didn't really connect with anyother couples or anything.
I should also.
Preface that this was couplesonly there.
There weren't any singles.
Okay, no single ladies.
(14:51):
Yeah.
Yeah, no single ladies.
No single guys but there werethese two couples from Canada
that The two guys definitelytook a liking to lady.
Mm hmm.
Understandably.
So yes, she was beautiful and Itmay have been the last night,\
so everyone, you could just feelthe energy rising.
I think this was a five daytakeover and the energy levels
(15:15):
are rising and everyone isstarting to get a little antsy
ready to rock and roll.
And we went up to a dedicatedplayroom and we went to check it
out and it with our friends andI guess a penthouse type what
the playroom was.
so they had segregated it withcurtains and they had, all kinds
of fun stuff in there and theywanted to go in, into the room.
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It was the group room where allthe action was and so me and the
gentleman, we're just kind ofsitting on the couch, just
taking in the vibes and thegirls went in they said, Hey,
we're just going to go check outthis room real quick.
It's like, no problem.
Just let us know what's going onin there.
But then they didn't come backexpecting him to come back.
And they didn't, didn't comeback.
(16:00):
And so me and the gentleman arelooking at each other like WTF,
what is this?
Cause we're like, okay, we're aminute, two minutes.
Three minutes and
Elle (16:10):
this was the couple from Canada where these were friends
that you were there with no
Tramp (16:14):
No, these were friends that we were okay there with
okay that were that were part ofour our bigger group Okay,
Elle (16:20):
got it.
Got it
Tramp (16:21):
So we had history with them, we communicated.
Well, we'd played with them inthe past and it was all good But
then The other gal came and gotthe guy and said hey come in
here And so I'm left sitting onthis couch in this, you know, a
little awkward.
Elle (16:42):
And where's my wife?
Tramp (16:43):
And yes, where's my wife?
And I'm starting to get thisreally uneasy feeling.
Oh.
And it was eventually the guycame out and said, Hey tramp,
come in here.
And I walk in to find the twoguys from Canada basically
double teaming her Okay, and shewas on her knees giving them a
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double blowjob Hadn't talkedabout it.
Hadn't done anything of thatnature and I just decided I was
hurt I, and I probably shouldhave stopped it.
I should have raised a ruckusright there and said, this is
outside of our boundaries andshould have stopped it
immediately.
But admittedly it was pretty hotto watch, so I let it go.
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And yeah, they proceeded just tohave their way with her.
And I have to say that it was,it was arousing.
But it was very disturbing atthe same time.
Right.
It would have been verydifferent.
I think if she would have said,Hey can I go play with the
Canadian guys?
Right.
I would have just popped out forjust one minute.
(17:50):
And I would have been like, hellyeah.
Right.
Go have a blast.
You weren't part of thedecision.
No, I was not part of thedecision.
And I think that's what stungthe most.
Yeah.
Yeah, She, had a cock in herpussy and one in her mouth at
all times and they just, keptgoing and had a good time.
She apparently had a very goodtime, but it was that I don't
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know if she thought I would beokay with it.
Elle (18:17):
Or she just got caught up in the moment.
She
Tramp (18:18):
just got caught up in the moment.
That's, that's always possible,but it was always a little bit
of a point of contention, Ithink.
Yeah.
It was never resolved and, I've made mistakes too.
I'm, I'm no angel.
Elle (18:30):
Right.
I think we all do.
Sometimes, again, you get caughtup in the moment and you don't
realize where you're at andyou're just enjoying the moment,
but unless you bring it backafter that situation and say,
okay, this is what happened.
This is how I felt.
How can we avoid that in thefuture?
Right.
Can we have a signal?
Yeah.
Like, you know, that, that we'regoing to do something or if you
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had taken 30 seconds to come outand say, Hey Tramp, I got a
situation here and I really wantto go enjoy it.
Tramp (19:03):
And that would have been perfectly fine.
Elle (19:04):
And that would have been fine.
You thought that the ladies weregoing to go walk into the
playroom, walk around, come backand go, Oh my God, that was hot.
Let's all go.
Fuck.
Tramp (19:12):
Yeah.
You know, precisely.
Elle (19:13):
Yeah.
And it didn't happen.
And then you were left.
Tramp (19:16):
Yeah, I was left holding my dick in my hand.
I wasn't
Elle (19:19):
going to say it, but yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
Tramp (19:22):
So that was one of those things where again, she could
have gotten caught up in themoment.
That is perfectly possible.
I know I've been on that side ofthe equation before too.
But if I see it hurts mypartner, I own up to it.
Right.
Because you.
are a team at the end of theday, right?
It should be the two of youbasically versus the world,
Elle (19:46):
right?
And, and I, just as I know, Jayis more than happy to watch me
playing with someone elsebecause that turns him on so
much.
There have been couples where hehas asked me because for
whatever reason he doesn't quitejive with them.
He says, I just, I asked you notto play with them.
And that's been hard a couple oftimes because, we'd be flirty
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and touching and it's like,
I really like
them.
So, on the other hand from that,I've tried to spend more time
working with him to get to knowthem better to then be okay with
it.
And the other night he said,okay, it was Halloween and he's
like, if they're there andyou're feeling it, I want you to
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know you can go ahead and go.
And, but we'll always kind ofstart, whether it's a Sunday,
Funday and we're going over orit's a Friday night or
something.
And we know it's going to bebusy and crazy.
And we may not have that momentto grab each other and say, Hey,
I'm going to go downstairs andplay with this couple over here
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or so and so asked me to comedown and be with them.
We try to give a blanket.
Hey, it's okay.
In that situation, if you can'tfind me, if you can find me,
that'd be great.
But if you can't, you know,you've got the permission to do
that.
The
Tramp (21:06):
understanding was already in place.
It's not like you're.
to circumvent it or, or just,just ignore your boundaries
altogether.
Elle (21:16):
Right.
So yeah, you're not a single,you're part of a couple.
And that means that everybody'sgot to be in agreement.
And that goes for Ken andBarbie.
They should have had some sortof agreement, but we should have
also looking back at what wecould have done differently is
had a little bit moreconversation.
Hey, Barbie.
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When did you find out about thisdate?
This could have been lighthearted and oh, about an hour
ago, okay, so you need a littlebit more time to get caught up
on who we are and get to know usand see if this is even
something you want to, want todo.
But that was three months intothe lifestyle me as opposed to
five years into the lifestyle mewho hopefully would try to have
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more of a conversation with heras well to make sure that she's
feeling comfortable.
Tramp (22:04):
Oh, without a doubt.
It's funny how steep thelearning curve is, at least
initially.
And then, you get the gist ofeverything and you can start to
see these things almost a mileaway.
Elle (22:17):
Oh, with other people?
Oh, for sure.
Like, oh yeah, they should havenot done that.
I mean, we have, we have friendsthat They had kind of a negative
situation at a party.
They were at a house party.
And they were, in a group room.
A room with a group of peopleplaying.
And while he was having sex withanother partner, called out that
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partner's name, which is notnecessarily something he does
with her, and it hurt herfeelings.
And she tried to say somethingto him, but he was too busy
having a good time.
So she was so unhappy.
She called their 17 year olddaughter to come pick her up.
And that was at about 1030, 11o'clock at night.
The daughter picked her up.
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She went back home.
He didn't show up at home until2 a.
m.
In that situation, there shouldhave been a lot more
conversation.
Right.
And we tried, we tried.
to talk to them.
It's like, oh, well, you guys,need to talk this through
because you can't sit therebeing heard about it and he
can't sit there not realizingmaybe where he had messed up.
Tramp (23:24):
Sure.
A pure situation of readingminds and You just
Elle (23:30):
can't.
Yeah, you can't.
You have to talk about it.
You
Tramp (23:33):
have to.
Elle (23:34):
And when people have had situations and they're
frustrated, oh, so and so didthis, well, okay, have you
talked about it?
You know, that's, the answer to99 percent of the problems is to
talk about it.
Yes.
And.
Work it out and come to anunderstanding about what you'll
do moving forward because youcan't go back in time no, you
can't go back and and Relivethat moment and do it
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differently But what can you dothe next time that you're in
that situation?
I've
Tramp (24:01):
mentioned before that especially when you're new, but
I think this never really stopsbecause you're Going to kind of
come across new scenarios newsituations unique situations You
you have to approach itparticularly in terms of your
partner with a little bit ofgrace, right?
Unless it's Just so far outsideof your boundaries that or
(24:26):
there's no repeat
Elle (24:27):
offender
Tramp (24:28):
or repeat offender.
You're right But to say okay bebe able to unpack it afterwards
and say, that really just wasn'tcool Can we not do that?
Again, or not have that scenariohappen again because it, it
really bothers me.
And it's funny.
Sometimes it can be just like inthe situation where he said her
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name and to other people thatmay not be a big idea, but
there, there are going to betimes when you see something and
it just hits you the wrong way.
And you just can't quiteunderstand.
Why?
Elle (25:07):
And sometimes that situation on another day is
fine, but today it was not fine.
And that's, when you getblindsided by things like, you
as my partner would be thinking,well, holy cow, we did this two
weeks ago and it was okay withit.
Why is she upset today?
And she may not reallyunderstand why it upsets her
(25:29):
today.
And that's okay too.
Again, as long as you're talkingabout it.
And go, okay, so the next timeI'll look to you for guidance on
how you want me to act on thissituation because I want to make
you feel comfortable.
Of course.
Tramp (25:46):
And by the same token, it could have been one of those
things where, I had a long weekat work and you have to take a
little bit of responsibility.
Yes.
That situation was perfectlywithin our boundaries and
perfectly acceptable.
Why I got a little emotionalabout it.
I don't know.
And that takes, that takes someself reflection too.
Elle (26:07):
Oh, I 100 percent agree with that because yeah,
sometimes you're, reacting.
Because of something outside andthat's not their fault.
No, they need to know that too.
Like, ah, okay, well I was kindof the asshole on this one.
We're all assholes sometimes.
Yeah, exactly.
Tramp (26:26):
Well guys, I think we jumped right into the
unapologetic honesty and kind ofwhat I want to hammer home there
is I think the communication isjust so paramount.
Before, during, and after.
Elle (26:41):
Oh, that's what I wrote down.
Oh, there you go.
We're on the same track becauseit is.
And it, and it's ever evolvingand it's ever changing.
Tramp (26:48):
That's true.
Elle (26:48):
And so you have to be aware of that.
And if you are, and you continueto talk about it, you'll get
through it better.
You'll navigate it a lot better.
get stronger.
Yeah.
Which it amazes me the amount ofcommunication that people have
that couples have that are inthe lifestyle that.
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People outside of the lifestylecan't comprehend.
Tramp (27:13):
Correct.
Elle (27:13):
And you know, I've, I had two marriages before.
Marriage blew up after 19 yearswith the first one because I
didn't feel it was safe tocommunicate.
So I never really shared myfeelings until one day I blew up
and never had a blow up J and I,because we talk about it.
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Before it even gets to thatpoint.
And so I think that's one of themost beautiful things about the
lifestyle is the ability to honethose communication skills.
So like you said, for sure,before you go to an event,
during the event, the check ineverything, okay, how are you
doing?
Are you good with these people?
(27:55):
Is there anyone I'm not, it's,it's not okay.
Or any situation that's not okayafterwards.
Okay.
That was really great.
Except for.
A sure, or yes, that wasperfect.
Tramp (28:06):
You fine tune.
Elle (28:07):
Yes.
And you're better for the nexttime.
Tramp (28:09):
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Elle (30:22):
Yeah.
Heading to the bliss cruise.
So I'm sure we'll have somestories.
Tramp (30:27):
Fantastic.
Well, guys, thank you so muchfor joining us and
Elle (30:33):
until next time, I'm L
Tramp (30:35):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (30:36):
Be sexy,
Tramp (30:37):
be confident,
Elle (30:38):
be unapologetic.
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm L
Tramp (00:08):
and I'm the tramp.
I'd like to welcome L back as myguest co host.
Once again, I'm veryappreciative of having you back
in the co host seat.
Elle (00:18):
Well, thanks for having me.
Glad I didn't disappoint.
Tramp (00:21):
Not in the slightest.
So guys, what we're going to dois, well, let me just do a
little recap.
This is the unapologetic swingerpodcast and we really talk about
things that we have been throughand we've been some sexy stories
from our own experiences.
(00:41):
Now, sometimes these experiencesare great victories and
sometimes they're the agony ofdefeat.
If you get that reference.
But this is going to be episodenumber 11 and it's going to be
titled things we learned thehard way.
Elle (00:57):
Yes.
Tramp (00:59):
We all have those experiences where you go in with
the best of intentions andsometimes the wheels just come
off in a horrible way.
Elle (01:09):
Yeah, but that's how we learn.
And that's how we can adjust.
And if you have the right amountof communication, you can get
through it and you're strongerfor it.
And you eliminate thatpossibility later on, hopefully.
Tramp (01:23):
Well put.
But I think Elle's going tostart off with her unapologetic
story first.
And I'm really interested tohear this since we haven't
really talked about it yet.
Elle (01:33):
Well, this is an early lifestyle show.
experience that Jay and I wentthrough.
We had been dating for a coupleof months and we had just come
back from Las Vegas and it wasFebruary of 2020 and COVID was
(01:54):
really starting to ramp up andThings were starting to shut
down, but we had a Saturdaymorning where we got up and a
couple that we had looked at onCassidy had started chatting
with us online.
And there seemed to be someinterest and we had looked at
them previously and they looklike a very fun, sexy couple and
(02:15):
we were kind of excited by itthat they had reached out to us
and had wanted to meet.
And as the day went on and theconversations happened, we
decided to meet that evening ata bar near my house and get to
know them.
And we were very excited.
So we get there a little bitearly.
Like I said, COVID had just beenstarting to ramp up and there
(02:38):
was almost nobody in the bar,but that was probably nice.
For us, we just sat at a table.
We saw them come in.
Our first impression of themwalking in was, Oh, Well, the
pictures on their Cassidyprofile seem a little old.
Oh, no.
And they looked a little bitmore, shall we say, weathered.
(03:00):
Then we had anticipated, butokay.
So you're saying
Tramp (03:03):
the pictures were dated.
Elle (03:04):
They were dated.
Yes, very much.
So like, oh, oh, okay.
And so they came over to thetable and we introduced
ourselves and started having aconversation.
And as the evening progressed,realized that she probably had
just found out about this date,maybe an hour before.
(03:27):
We actually met them.
So she wasn't part of theconversations through the day
and she didn't seem that excitedto be there.
And he seemed very excited totalk about himself.
So just so you know, this is acouple that we fondly refer to
as Ken and Barbie because theyhad presented themselves as this
(03:50):
beautiful couple.
Weren't quite there, but it justseemed to epitomize them.
They've thought fairly well ofthemselves and their college
careers.
He played basketball.
She was a cheerleader.
And so they were how shall Isay, very, very kind of full of
themselves.
And like I had said, he spent alot of time talking about
(04:12):
himself, but we were stillPretty excited to be there had a
couple that was seemedinterested I offered for the
four of us to go back to to myhouse because I lived about a
mile away And there they cameover and what we quickly
realized when we were there isthat Barbie?
Was not quite as interested in Jand As Ken was interested in me
(04:39):
and there's
Tramp (04:41):
an automatic imbalance, if you will, they, they were
clearly not on the same page.
Elle (04:44):
They were very much not on the same page.
Looking back, we would have madesome decisions differently
throughout the evening.
But as it was, we kind offollowed through with it.
The four of us went to thebedroom.
Ken and I played and Barbie andJay.
Kissed a little, played a littlethere, just, she basically just
(05:06):
sort of lay there and wasn'tengaging at all.
And I think that Jay felt veryawkward throughout the process.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:15):
From a guy's perspective, if there's no response of desire
or anything, I know personally,yeah, it's a turnoff.
It's, it doesn't do it for me.
And, and I don't, I would neverwant to make someone feel like.
I'm making them do somethingthat they truly do not want to
do.
Elle (05:33):
Right, right.
Exactly.
And I think, there wasn't awhole lot of activity on their
side of the bed.
On our side of the bed, he wasvery interested.
We We had had sex at one pointand Jay and I are very big
proponents of condoms safe sexBut then there was a second time
he was trying to enter me and Irealized he did not have a
(05:55):
condom on So at that moment, Iwas like, whoa.
Whoa.
Hey, whoa, you know we usecondoms and You know just sort
of it almost killed the mood atthat moment Looking back, I
think Jay would definitely sayhe would have stopped things at
that point.
And just asked them to leave.
Because we discussed it.
(06:17):
We told them we were very condomfriendly and that was how we
played.
And they didn't respect that.
So there were a lot ofsituations.
I think the evening ended.
Not too long after that and theywent on their way and Jay and I
looked at each other and went,yeah, we need to not do that
(06:37):
again.
Tramp (06:39):
isn't it amazing, particularly early on the the
situations you find yourself inand you just kind of go with the
flow.
But then since you're learningabout Jay in this scenario.
And kind of your likes andlimitations.
You're still in that learningphase.
So sometimes you're right.
(06:59):
I, we've been there where it'slike, yeah, let's never do that
again.
Elle (07:04):
Right.
And, and as you look back andyou start to dissect what had
happened, you know, we could seethe different time periods.
There's a lot of points where wecould have made a different
decision.
Sure.
And what is the diagram whereyou know, you start with the box
at the top and it's yes, no, yougo right or left and then you go
like a flow chart.
Yes, like sorry, I couldn'tthink of it a flow chart.
(07:26):
Yes, a flow chart but wherewhere would we have done it
differently?
Realizing at the restaurant thatshe had just found out about it.
This was not something that shenecessarily was on board with.
We could have, you Had a drinkand some appetizers and called
it quits right there.
Getting to my house and he's,Ken's kissing on me and Barbie's
(07:49):
not really wanting to kiss or doanything with Jay.
We certainly could have calledit then at that moment too.
And politely said, things justseem a little bit off.
Maybe we should take a raincheck on this Definitely as play
was progressing and as soon ashe tried to enter me without a
condom We should have stopped itright then.
Tramp (08:10):
Yeah full stop full stop.
Elle (08:12):
This is not cool.
This is unacceptable You knowwhat?
We're not jiving Let's, cutbait.
Well,
Tramp (08:18):
yeah, especially when someone can't respect your
boundaries, right?
Everyone's different, but
Elle (08:22):
exactly, exactly.
And, and Jay by no means wantedto disrespect her boundaries and
was trying to be conscientiousof that and courteous, but also
trying to figure out what mighthave, might work for her, kind
of a thing.
We refer back to that a lot.
When we're talking with newcouples in the lifestyle and we
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definitely have always wanted tobe an open book for somebody
who's just getting into it.
And we have plenty of storiesthat can go either way.
And it's important to let peopleknow and understand that you're
going to make mistakes, thatthings are going to happen, but
how you talk about it later canseriously, positively affect how
(09:08):
dates or situations go.
And so what we have found, we'rea little bit better of, okay,
first off, like we, we talkedabout last time was no
expectations, not going insaying, okay, you know, we're
getting laid.
Right.
It's not necessarily going to bethat.
It's like, well, let's just getto know another couple and see
where it goes.
And if it's really going welland everybody's driving well,
(09:30):
well then, then let's take alook at where we might take
things.
Or is this just an initial, Getto know you and then we can
build some anticipation and havea date later on that really
moves things along nicely.
Tramp (09:45):
You know, we have played on the first date before, and I
think in those situations it wasbecause there weren't any red
flags and because thecommunication was just
fantastic.
Right.
Across both couples.
Elle (10:00):
Right.
And being aware of the, maybethe subtle messages that they're
sending to each other too, tryto pick up on that.
And, and ask questions.
Sometimes it's okay to say, Hey,where are you all feeling at
with this?
You know, cause we're veryinterested, but just want to
know where your comfort levelis.
Tramp (10:19):
Yeah.
There's no need, especially ifall the signals are green I
don't see a reason to beataround the bush.
And if you're interested and ifthey're interested, fantastic.
Let's take this to the nextlevel.
If not, No problem.
Elle (10:34):
Great getting to know you and hope we get to see you again
sometime at the club or atanother party, you know, and go
from there.
Tramp (10:44):
The thing is with those situations, as long as you end
on a high note, right, there maybe another time where they
introduce you to some of theirfriends,
Elle (10:53):
right?
Tramp (10:54):
And they say, Hey, we didn't work out, but this is a
great couple.
They're respectful and I wantyou to meet them.
Elle (11:01):
Right.
And who knows for whateverreason, we're too old and
they're looking for couples thatare in their thirties or, you
know, we're not that old, justso you know, not terribly, not
at all.
Definitely don't feel old.
But you never know.
It could be someone doesn't carefor facial hair.
It could be, you know, just
Tramp (11:20):
something so minor.
Yeah.
That it's not a big deal, but itwas enough of a deal breaker and
that's cool.
That's Again, you should neverdo anything.
You don't want to do
Elle (11:31):
right?
It's right.
You never know why someone issaying No, it's really hard to
Not take it personally.
Tramp (11:39):
That's true.
Elle (11:40):
But Trying to be aware of, of, that it might be something
else that has nothing to do withyou.
I have a, another story.
It's not exactly a mistake, butit's that miscommunication
thinking somebody was going onedirection, and rejecting us, but
it turned out it wasn't.
And there was a couple that wemet at the club a number of
times.
(12:00):
We had talked to them.
Super fun, super sexy.
And We were going back andforth.
They had gone on our Cassidyprofile and came back with,
well, I think our play stylesare different.
Well, we took that personallyas, We've shown them something
that they didn't like and theyrejected us for that.
Mm-Hmm.
only to find out down the linethat Oh no, we only, we play
(12:25):
side by side.
We don't actually swap.
Oh, we don't even do So we onlydo
Tramp (12:29):
parallel play.
Elle (12:30):
Exactly.
They only do parallel play, butthey find it sexy to be around
other people and they have kids.
And when they go to the ranch,you know, they're downstairs
right away because they don'tget to have sex without.
The fear of somebody knocking onthe door at any time, and they
want to get that out of the wayand they find it sexy to be
around other people having sex.
(12:51):
And it really made us stop andrealize, Oh, this had nothing to
do with us.
This wasn't a rejection of us.
This was 100%.
This is how they play.
And so it really gives us apause to think about Well, it
doesn't have to be that it was arejection of us.
Tramp (13:09):
I think most people learn very quickly when entering the
lifestyle, you can't take thingspersonally yet.
You have to grow a little bit ofa thicker skin and because
rejections are going to happenor no thank yous or.
You know, granted, most peoplehave a little bit more tact, but
quite frankly, some don't andthat's unfortunate.
Elle (13:30):
Right.
And again, you can't take thatpersonally because that's on
them.
Tramp (13:35):
Absolutely correct.
Elle (13:36):
And, we look at it as well.
It's kind of their loss.
We're very fun.
So, that if it doesn't jive up,it doesn't jive up and we move
forward.
There's so many more people inthe lifestyle than I ever
possibly imagined.
So somewhere there's going to bea good fit.
Oh yeah.
Usually multiple
Tramp (13:56):
good fits,
Elle (13:57):
right?
Tramp (13:58):
In a couple of different places.
Well, Elle, thank you forsharing that one.
Elle (14:03):
Yeah.
Do you have any stories likethat?
I do.
Tramp (14:05):
I do.
So guys with Lady Departing I'mjust going to keep on telling
our stories and this one wasfitting.
So my story is to never assumeyour partner can read your mind.
And this was from a takeover inMexico.
It would have been 2022 2023.
(14:30):
It was a multi day takeover andit was great and we were down
there with some of our localfriends, a group of us and met
all kinds of great people.
Didn't really connect with anyother couples or anything.
I should also.
Preface that this was couplesonly there.
There weren't any singles.
Okay, no single ladies.
(14:51):
Yeah.
Yeah, no single ladies.
No single guys but there werethese two couples from Canada
that The two guys definitelytook a liking to lady.
Mm hmm.
Understandably.
So yes, she was beautiful and Itmay have been the last night,\
so everyone, you could just feelthe energy rising.
I think this was a five daytakeover and the energy levels
(15:15):
are rising and everyone isstarting to get a little antsy
ready to rock and roll.
And we went up to a dedicatedplayroom and we went to check it
out and it with our friends andI guess a penthouse type what
the playroom was.
so they had segregated it withcurtains and they had, all kinds
of fun stuff in there and theywanted to go in, into the room.
(15:40):
It was the group room where allthe action was and so me and the
gentleman, we're just kind ofsitting on the couch, just
taking in the vibes and thegirls went in they said, Hey,
we're just going to go check outthis room real quick.
It's like, no problem.
Just let us know what's going onin there.
But then they didn't come backexpecting him to come back.
And they didn't, didn't comeback.
(16:00):
And so me and the gentleman arelooking at each other like WTF,
what is this?
Cause we're like, okay, we're aminute, two minutes.
Three minutes and
Elle (16:10):
this was the couple from Canada where these were friends
that you were there with no
Tramp (16:14):
No, these were friends that we were okay there with
okay that were that were part ofour our bigger group Okay,
Elle (16:20):
got it.
Got it
Tramp (16:21):
So we had history with them, we communicated.
Well, we'd played with them inthe past and it was all good But
then The other gal came and gotthe guy and said hey come in
here And so I'm left sitting onthis couch in this, you know, a
little awkward.
Elle (16:42):
And where's my wife?
Tramp (16:43):
And yes, where's my wife?
And I'm starting to get thisreally uneasy feeling.
Oh.
And it was eventually the guycame out and said, Hey tramp,
come in here.
And I walk in to find the twoguys from Canada basically
double teaming her Okay, and shewas on her knees giving them a
(17:07):
double blowjob Hadn't talkedabout it.
Hadn't done anything of thatnature and I just decided I was
hurt I, and I probably shouldhave stopped it.
I should have raised a ruckusright there and said, this is
outside of our boundaries andshould have stopped it
immediately.
But admittedly it was pretty hotto watch, so I let it go.
(17:29):
And yeah, they proceeded just tohave their way with her.
And I have to say that it was,it was arousing.
But it was very disturbing atthe same time.
Right.
It would have been verydifferent.
I think if she would have said,Hey can I go play with the
Canadian guys?
Right.
I would have just popped out forjust one minute.
(17:50):
And I would have been like, hellyeah.
Right.
Go have a blast.
You weren't part of thedecision.
No, I was not part of thedecision.
And I think that's what stungthe most.
Yeah.
Yeah, She, had a cock in herpussy and one in her mouth at
all times and they just, keptgoing and had a good time.
She apparently had a very goodtime, but it was that I don't
(18:14):
know if she thought I would beokay with it.
Elle (18:17):
Or she just got caught up in the moment.
She
Tramp (18:18):
just got caught up in the moment.
That's, that's always possible,but it was always a little bit
of a point of contention, Ithink.
Yeah.
It was never resolved and, I've made mistakes too.
I'm, I'm no angel.
Elle (18:30):
Right.
I think we all do.
Sometimes, again, you get caughtup in the moment and you don't
realize where you're at andyou're just enjoying the moment,
but unless you bring it backafter that situation and say,
okay, this is what happened.
This is how I felt.
How can we avoid that in thefuture?
Right.
Can we have a signal?
Yeah.
Like, you know, that, that we'regoing to do something or if you
(18:53):
had taken 30 seconds to come outand say, Hey Tramp, I got a
situation here and I really wantto go enjoy it.
Tramp (19:03):
And that would have been perfectly fine.
Elle (19:04):
And that would have been fine.
You thought that the ladies weregoing to go walk into the
playroom, walk around, come backand go, Oh my God, that was hot.
Let's all go.
Fuck.
Tramp (19:12):
Yeah.
You know, precisely.
Elle (19:13):
Yeah.
And it didn't happen.
And then you were left.
Tramp (19:16):
Yeah, I was left holding my dick in my hand.
I wasn't
Elle (19:19):
going to say it, but yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
Tramp (19:22):
So that was one of those things where again, she could
have gotten caught up in themoment.
That is perfectly possible.
I know I've been on that side ofthe equation before too.
But if I see it hurts mypartner, I own up to it.
Right.
Because you.
are a team at the end of theday, right?
It should be the two of youbasically versus the world,
Elle (19:46):
right?
And, and I, just as I know, Jayis more than happy to watch me
playing with someone elsebecause that turns him on so
much.
There have been couples where hehas asked me because for
whatever reason he doesn't quitejive with them.
He says, I just, I asked you notto play with them.
And that's been hard a couple oftimes because, we'd be flirty
(20:10):
and touching and it's like,
I really like
them.
So, on the other hand from that,I've tried to spend more time
working with him to get to knowthem better to then be okay with
it.
And the other night he said,okay, it was Halloween and he's
like, if they're there andyou're feeling it, I want you to
(20:32):
know you can go ahead and go.
And, but we'll always kind ofstart, whether it's a Sunday,
Funday and we're going over orit's a Friday night or
something.
And we know it's going to bebusy and crazy.
And we may not have that momentto grab each other and say, Hey,
I'm going to go downstairs andplay with this couple over here
(20:52):
or so and so asked me to comedown and be with them.
We try to give a blanket.
Hey, it's okay.
In that situation, if you can'tfind me, if you can find me,
that'd be great.
But if you can't, you know,you've got the permission to do
that.
The
Tramp (21:06):
understanding was already in place.
It's not like you're.
to circumvent it or, or just,just ignore your boundaries
altogether.
Elle (21:16):
Right.
So yeah, you're not a single,you're part of a couple.
And that means that everybody'sgot to be in agreement.
And that goes for Ken andBarbie.
They should have had some sortof agreement, but we should have
also looking back at what wecould have done differently is
had a little bit moreconversation.
Hey, Barbie.
(21:37):
When did you find out about thisdate?
This could have been lighthearted and oh, about an hour
ago, okay, so you need a littlebit more time to get caught up
on who we are and get to know usand see if this is even
something you want to, want todo.
But that was three months intothe lifestyle me as opposed to
five years into the lifestyle mewho hopefully would try to have
(22:00):
more of a conversation with heras well to make sure that she's
feeling comfortable.
Tramp (22:04):
Oh, without a doubt.
It's funny how steep thelearning curve is, at least
initially.
And then, you get the gist ofeverything and you can start to
see these things almost a mileaway.
Elle (22:17):
Oh, with other people?
Oh, for sure.
Like, oh yeah, they should havenot done that.
I mean, we have, we have friendsthat They had kind of a negative
situation at a party.
They were at a house party.
And they were, in a group room.
A room with a group of peopleplaying.
And while he was having sex withanother partner, called out that
(22:42):
partner's name, which is notnecessarily something he does
with her, and it hurt herfeelings.
And she tried to say somethingto him, but he was too busy
having a good time.
So she was so unhappy.
She called their 17 year olddaughter to come pick her up.
And that was at about 1030, 11o'clock at night.
The daughter picked her up.
(23:03):
She went back home.
He didn't show up at home until2 a.
m.
In that situation, there shouldhave been a lot more
conversation.
Right.
And we tried, we tried.
to talk to them.
It's like, oh, well, you guys,need to talk this through
because you can't sit therebeing heard about it and he
can't sit there not realizingmaybe where he had messed up.
Tramp (23:24):
Sure.
A pure situation of readingminds and You just
Elle (23:30):
can't.
Yeah, you can't.
You have to talk about it.
You
Tramp (23:33):
have to.
Elle (23:34):
And when people have had situations and they're
frustrated, oh, so and so didthis, well, okay, have you
talked about it?
You know, that's, the answer to99 percent of the problems is to
talk about it.
Yes.
And.
Work it out and come to anunderstanding about what you'll
do moving forward because youcan't go back in time no, you
can't go back and and Relivethat moment and do it
(23:57):
differently But what can you dothe next time that you're in
that situation?
I've
Tramp (24:01):
mentioned before that especially when you're new, but
I think this never really stopsbecause you're Going to kind of
come across new scenarios newsituations unique situations You
you have to approach itparticularly in terms of your
partner with a little bit ofgrace, right?
Unless it's Just so far outsideof your boundaries that or
(24:26):
there's no repeat
Elle (24:27):
offender
Tramp (24:28):
or repeat offender.
You're right But to say okay bebe able to unpack it afterwards
and say, that really just wasn'tcool Can we not do that?
Again, or not have that scenariohappen again because it, it
really bothers me.
And it's funny.
Sometimes it can be just like inthe situation where he said her
(24:52):
name and to other people thatmay not be a big idea, but
there, there are going to betimes when you see something and
it just hits you the wrong way.
And you just can't quiteunderstand.
Why?
Elle (25:07):
And sometimes that situation on another day is
fine, but today it was not fine.
And that's, when you getblindsided by things like, you
as my partner would be thinking,well, holy cow, we did this two
weeks ago and it was okay withit.
Why is she upset today?
And she may not reallyunderstand why it upsets her
(25:29):
today.
And that's okay too.
Again, as long as you're talkingabout it.
And go, okay, so the next timeI'll look to you for guidance on
how you want me to act on thissituation because I want to make
you feel comfortable.
Of course.
Tramp (25:46):
And by the same token, it could have been one of those
things where, I had a long weekat work and you have to take a
little bit of responsibility.
Yes.
That situation was perfectlywithin our boundaries and
perfectly acceptable.
Why I got a little emotionalabout it.
I don't know.
And that takes, that takes someself reflection too.
Elle (26:07):
Oh, I 100 percent agree with that because yeah,
sometimes you're, reacting.
Because of something outside andthat's not their fault.
No, they need to know that too.
Like, ah, okay, well I was kindof the asshole on this one.
We're all assholes sometimes.
Yeah, exactly.
Tramp (26:26):
Well guys, I think we jumped right into the
unapologetic honesty and kind ofwhat I want to hammer home there
is I think the communication isjust so paramount.
Before, during, and after.
Elle (26:41):
Oh, that's what I wrote down.
Oh, there you go.
We're on the same track becauseit is.
And it, and it's ever evolvingand it's ever changing.
Tramp (26:48):
That's true.
Elle (26:48):
And so you have to be aware of that.
And if you are, and you continueto talk about it, you'll get
through it better.
You'll navigate it a lot better.
get stronger.
Yeah.
Which it amazes me the amount ofcommunication that people have
that couples have that are inthe lifestyle that.
(27:09):
People outside of the lifestylecan't comprehend.
Tramp (27:13):
Correct.
Elle (27:13):
And you know, I've, I had two marriages before.
Marriage blew up after 19 yearswith the first one because I
didn't feel it was safe tocommunicate.
So I never really shared myfeelings until one day I blew up
and never had a blow up J and I,because we talk about it.
(27:34):
Before it even gets to thatpoint.
And so I think that's one of themost beautiful things about the
lifestyle is the ability to honethose communication skills.
So like you said, for sure,before you go to an event,
during the event, the check ineverything, okay, how are you
doing?
Are you good with these people?
(27:55):
Is there anyone I'm not, it's,it's not okay.
Or any situation that's not okayafterwards.
Okay.
That was really great.
Except for.
A sure, or yes, that wasperfect.
Tramp (28:06):
You fine tune.
Elle (28:07):
Yes.
And you're better for the nexttime.
Tramp (28:09):
There you go.
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Well friends, we do not have AMAthis week.
Hint, hint, I did not get anyemails.
(29:37):
So please send us some emailsand let us know, what questions
that we kind of kind of answeron the fly.
I hope to have L back for, acouple more episodes at minimum,
as long as she'll put up withme.
Yes.
Ask,
Elle (29:54):
ask the burning
Tramp (29:54):
questions.
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And the next episode is to bedetermined, but it's bound to be
(30:16):
a good one.
I've, I heard a rumor that L andJ may be going on a cruise here
in a couple of days.
Elle (30:22):
Yeah.
Heading to the bliss cruise.
So I'm sure we'll have somestories.
Tramp (30:27):
Fantastic.
Well, guys, thank you so muchfor joining us and
Elle (30:33):
until next time, I'm L
Tramp (30:35):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (30:36):
Be sexy,
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be confident,
Elle (30:38):
be unapologetic.
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