January 28, 2025 • 29 mins
The Tramp, Jay, and Elle are back to talk about our own unique takes on our best lifestyle related dates. This one takes some twists and turns!
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm l
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the tramp and guys I'm, just so pleased to
have l and j back with me todayfor another episode just A
little bit about us.
This podcast is all about ouradventures and sometimes
misadventures in the lifestylesometimes we'll have guests.
Sometimes we'll just talk aboutsexy stories and everything in
(00:29):
between I'm going to title thisbest lifestyle date ever.
And we each have our own uniquestories with this that we'll
tell today and we'll go fromthere.
Elle (00:40):
Sounds good.
Jay (00:42):
Looking forward to it.
Elle (00:44):
Thanks for having us back
Tramp (00:45):
anytime you guys have been so much fun to work with
and I appreciate you guys morethan you know.
Elle (00:50):
Well, we appreciate you too.
Jay (00:52):
You're a good man.
Tramp (00:54):
So, L, I think you are first one up with your
unapologetic story of your bestdate ever.
Elle (01:01):
Yes.
And as I was thinking about thisthe five plus years that we've
been in the lifestyle, there'sdifferent scenarios and mine, I
think, is maybe Less of a sexystory and more of a kind of a
seduction story.
And when I think about one of mybest lifestyle experiences, I
(01:22):
think back to when Jay and Iwere first starting to date and
Jay (01:28):
pre COVID
Elle (01:30):
very like right pre COVID like that week before I had a
convention in Las Vegas and Ihad invited Jay to fly down for
the weekend after so that wecould have, some fun getting to
know each other and all the joysthat Vegas has to offer.
And Jay worked really hard tofind a couple of dates for us to
(01:52):
get to know some other couples.
And we did meet two couples thatlive in the Las Vegas area.
Vegas is
Tramp (01:58):
great for that, by the way.
I didn't want to cut you offthere.
Oh, yeah.
Jay (02:02):
And what we've learned is the people who live there prefer
to play with out of towners.
Tramp (02:07):
Well, I'm gonna sidetrack just real quick because Vegas is
a magical place.
There is a very strong locallifestyle community.
Elle (2) (02:14):
Yes.
Tramp (02:15):
But it is Sin City, so there's such a A throughput, I
guess you could say, oflifestyle visitors that come
there to play as well.
Elle (02:25):
I would agree.
Jay (02:26):
Yeah.
Elle (02:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and the last time we went,we definitely utilized our time
better.
But the second date is the oneI'm going to talk about because
we had Spoken with a couple onCassidy and made plans for
dinner and then see where thingsgo.
And the four of us hit it offvery well.
Conversation was easy, veryfluid, and they were both, oh,
(02:50):
she was so, so And he was sohandsome and you know, we're
really getting a good vibe withthe four of us and everything.
And they invited us to theirhotel.
And they had come down causethey were out of the area
enough, that they got a hotelroom and they were in the
Bellagio in one of the upperfloor suites.
(03:13):
And So we took a cab back overto their hotel and we went up
into their room and they hadbrought a cooler with any kind
of alcohol, wine.
Beer, booze.
Jay (03:27):
This just wasn't just a room or just your average suite
either.
This was like one below thepenthouse.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
This place was bigger than mostpeople's apartments.
Elle (03:37):
Right.
And a beautiful view of thestrip and they brought, oh, 30
candles or something.
They like, lit candles all overthe room.
They had music playing andyou're in this amazing vibe of
Just sexiness.
And at one point she and I weresitting on the sofa and talking
(04:01):
and she asked if I liked girlsand I was Just starting to
experiment with it.
And so, we had some fun playfulkissing on the sofa and Touching
and then the music was playingand you asked her to dance or
she asked you she
Jay (04:20):
asked you
Elle (04:23):
Okay, I didn't remember that first first and then poorly
And then you did some niceballroom dancing with her and it
really continued to set thatsexy vibe mood.
And we, we took it to thebedroom and had two queen beds
(04:44):
in there.
And what was interesting is itwas not a full swap.
It was a very soft swap.
There was some he and I madeout, you and her made out.
I think there was some lighttouching and other fun nether
areas.
Jay (05:01):
Okay, it was usually a threesome with the two guys
rotating.
Back and forth, back and
Elle (05:06):
forth with the girls.
Okay.
There
Jay (05:08):
was kissing, touching, oral.
Elle (05:10):
Right.
But there was no penetrationwith he and I or with you and
her?
Nope.
I think even if I'm gonna outmyself, at one point, towards
the end of the evening, theywere on the other bed watching
us.
We were having sex and I believeyou went in my ass.
Yes.
Yes.
And they just watched Wide-eyedand Oh wow.
(05:31):
It was.
So hot for everybody.
And we left that evening just onthis high and exchanged phone
numbers and everything.
And we were looking to make someplans of trying to meet them,
maybe somewhere and try andconnect up with them.
And we just never did reconnectuntil.
(05:53):
Side note, a couple years laterwe were at a girls on court
holiday party where the men andthe women are there.
And this guy walks by and he'sjust grinning goofily at me and
then this woman walked up whenwe saw her, she was a blonde and
now she was a redhead and she'slike, you don't remember us.
(06:13):
I'm like, I want to.
It wasn't that
Tramp (06:16):
couple.
It
Elle (06:16):
was that couple and they had just moved to Denver and
because he grown up here and Ithink he was in the military
here as well and retired andwanted to come back to Colorado.
So we've run into him a fewtimes, we've never gone out with
him again, but we left thatVegas trip I think I have a
(06:38):
crush on her.
Like that was my first girlcrush where it was just so sexy
and so seductive.
I was like, wow, that took myhead and my body, you know?
And so for me, that's my, myfavorite.
Tramp (06:56):
so much for sharing that.
That was definitely sexy.
So, guys, I'm going to go next.
And this happened a couple yearsback with Lady and I.
We had a couple reach out to usfrom out of town.
I've mentioned them in earlierpodcasts.
Their names are Trey and Ivy.
And, leading up to the date, youknow, it's not uncommon to
(07:22):
establish a text with all fourof you on it to kind of gauge
compatibility and whatnot,because from the Cassidy
profile, there's only so muchthat you can get from that.
Elle (07:32):
Agree.
Tramp (07:34):
Personality wise and everything else.
And.
It kind of devolved, it was justTrey and I, so the two guys just
pretty much texting back andforth, and the girls were
largely silent.
Elle (2) (07:44):
That happens.
Tramp (07:46):
I know
Jay (07:46):
how that feels.
Tramp (07:48):
And as much as I asked the lady to get involved, she
just didn't, and that was justkind of her personality type.
But we end up meeting here inDenver and grabbing cocktails
and all four of us just clicked.
It was, it was great.
And we had cocktails and thendinner at a tapas place and very
flirty, just very good.
(08:10):
And we decided to Have anotherround of cocktails closer to
their hotel.
Jay (08:16):
Sorry.
Was this early in yourlifestyle?
Tramp (08:20):
It was, I want to guesstimate about two years ago,
give or take.
So at this point we were alreadyfull swap.
Jay (08:27):
Okay.
Tramp (08:27):
And.
I remember it fondly becauseIvy.
So the female half of the couplewas very straightforward.
And as we were driving to thecocktail place She was like,
Hey, we, really like you guys.
We get along really well afteranother round of cocktails,
would you say we take you backto our hotel?
Elle (08:48):
Oh, I like that direct, very
Tramp (08:50):
direct, very straightforward.
And that takes, I just want tosay balls from the male
perspective, but, you have to beconfident.
You have to be able to putyourself out there for risk of
rejection.
Elle (09:00):
Yeah, got to read the room too.
And
Tramp (09:02):
exactly.
And I should probably describethe couple.
Trey is tall, like me, muscular.
and Ivy is just this littlefirecracker, just an amazing
body brunette.
And quite the looker, I have tosay.
And so he has a
Jay (09:18):
huge grin on his face.
I do.
Elle (09:22):
I'm intrigued.
Tramp (09:24):
And we get to this really nice little cocktail lounge and
at that point end up sittingnext to Kind of switching places
and we had a couple drinks andjust carried on and got back to
the hotel room and it was justgame on.
And it was quite the experience.
The girls didn't interact asmuch as I love watching that.
(09:47):
This was just one of thosesituations and I, it's one of
those things in the lifestylewhere not all women are by or,
or even have attractions.
Some are straight and that'sokay.
Elle (09:57):
Sometimes it's just situational and sometimes it's
situational.
It's you have to have thatattraction and feel that energy
and sometimes it's there andsometimes it's there, but it's
more my, I might be moreattracted to you.
Jay (10:08):
This is no secret, but I love it when you find that
attraction.
Tramp (10:14):
It's fun to watch.
Just from my own historicalexperiences, it's very fun to
watch.
I can't necessarily talk aboutLady's experience with Trey, but
me playing with Ivy, I rememberwe got naked and I threw her on
the bed and, and I looked herright in the eye and just said,
the only words I want to hearare faster, slower, or harder or
(10:35):
softer.
And then I went down on her.
Wow.
Jay (10:39):
Yeah.
I think El just got a littlewet.
Tramp (10:41):
And we played, condoms were involved and she broke out
this little rosebud toy.
I've never seen one before.
Like I've seen vibrators andI've seen wands and dildos and
all that, but this was just likea little, I guess it was a
sucker.
Yep.
Suckers.
And, I remember she was usingthat on herself while she was
(11:05):
kind of straddling me andstroking me.
And at that point the condom wasoff, part of my personality is I
love being teased.
So, she would have the sucker onher clit for a little bit and
then take my cock head and justtap it against her clit and then
go back to stroking me.
And it was just so erotic and sohot to watch.
Jay (11:24):
When can we meet these people?
Elle (11:28):
They come back.
Tramp (11:29):
Oh, one day, one day I sincerely hope so.
But all I know is after that,everyone was all smiles and this
is just a great couple.
And yeah, I sincerely hope I getanother chance to meet them
again.
Elle (11:44):
That is a wonderful story.
Yes.
Jay (11:48):
Okay.
All right.
I guess I am up.
Jay, you are up.
Okay.
My story is a little different.
And so here we go.
We have friends in Houston andthey invited us down for an
extended weekend.
So we said, you know, why not?
We've got the time.
Let's go.
And it was great.
We had such a great time for thefirst couple of days.
(12:09):
Saturday they held a pool partyin our honor.
Everybody was there at threeo'clock, 10 couples and two
single guys.
I think it was, it was about 17people.
So including the host, hostessand us.
Elle (12:25):
Yeah, somewhere in there.
Okay.
And
Jay (12:27):
Typical, you know, Houston weather.
You can never predict.
It was pouring rain
Elle (12:31):
by four.
Jay (12:31):
Yeah.
So four o'clock.
Yeah Everybody's in shorts andtank tops and t shirts and at
four o'clock The host callseverybody into their great room
with the kitchen right there Youknow with a giant sectional
couch and fireplace.
It's all one big space And atfour o'clock he said i'm calling
it.
We're starting the party now Andhe goes L J come here, sit in
(12:57):
these bar stools and everybodywas kind of fanned out around
the sides.
All of a sudden the musicstarts.
It's the soundtrack from 50shades and this woman comes out
of the side room, full cloak anda full face, Venice masks.
Sure.
And she starts dancing.
Elle (13:17):
Kind of eyes wide shut.
Jay (13:18):
Thank you, eyes wide shut experience.
And she's dancing and she's upagainst the crowd and she's
flashing a little bit of this, alittle bit of that.
Finally, there's a chair in themiddle of the room.
She uses the chair and I mean,I'm sorry, she may have been
pushing 50 or slightly over 50.
She had an amazing body and shehas had experience dancing.
(13:45):
This wasn't a junior high talentshow.
No, not at all.
It was so damn sexy.
Tramp (13:50):
What a neat party trick to have.
Jay (13:51):
The first song ended.
She had lost the cape, lost themask, gorgeous curly hair,
blonde tattoos, and she'swearing a red bra and panties.
Just so sexy.
The second song starts.
She walks right up, grabs L bythe hand, pulls her out and sits
her in the chair.
(14:12):
And what makes this extraspecial is the host gave L her
first experience with Molly.
Okay.
And so the girl starts doing alap dance just for Al.
Of course, we're all just turnedon as all can be.
And about halfway through thedance, You can tell the Molly
hit Because she like getsnervous fingers and she's all
(14:36):
smiles and she starts Justwanted to touch touch all the
things and the dancer She justlike puts the rubbing the breast
on el's face and el latches onYou know, it was just so damn
hot and then it ended And nowthe host had told me usually
Everybody departs to thedifferent rooms.
There are four bedrooms in thehouse.
(14:57):
And threesome here, foursomethere, that kind of thing.
Everybody in the room was on thesectional.
He and I, the host and I had thedancer first, each end, just a
great little threesome.
Well, people all around us.
Elle (2) (15:12):
L's
Jay (15:14):
on the corner of the sectional with one single guy
and one married guy showing heran amazing time.
You know, orgasms, orgasms,orgasms.
Take a quick breather becauseit's only like not even five
o'clock.
It's sun's still up.
I'm laying back on the couch.
The dancer is laying on my chestfacing outward.
(15:35):
Elle comes up and is juststaring at her and she looks up
and she goes, sweetie, do youwant to eat my pussy?
And Elle, with her hands claspedtogether, goes, May I?
And she goes, Oh, of course.
And Elle does a little girldance and dives into that pussy.
(15:57):
And I'm just like, jaw drop.
It was just so hot.
Just like to see her aggressivelike this with a woman.
And
Elle (16:05):
assertive.
Thank you.
Jay (16:06):
Okay.
Assertive.
And the party went till 2 AM.
And I mean, it was just amazingplaying and everything.
Wow.
The one downside was at onepoint they have a neighbor.
They had discussed him with usseveral times when we drove by
his house.
I guess his job is toprofessionally schmooze
(16:27):
executives.
So it's his job to party withhigh rollers.
Okay.
He's probably 60.
Elle (16:32):
Yeah.
Jay (16:33):
He's a flaming alcoholic.
Elle (16:34):
Yes.
Jay (16:35):
And in the middle, we're taking a break, probably the
second break of the party.
It's maybe six o'clock,
Elle (16:40):
seven, seven, seven.
It's dark out.
So
Jay (16:43):
all of a sudden front door he walks in.
Hey, y'all having a party?
What the hell?
We're all naked.
All the guys have taken Viagra.
So they're all standing therewith raging hard ons.
This guy is so drunk, he'soblivious.
And he just walks right over tothe bar to pour himself a drink.
His two daughters, 21 and 20,walk in behind him.
(17:08):
Obviously, people start coveringup and we start quickly walking
out to the hot tub, you know, toget and the host is like trying
to get him out.
One person goes to thedaughters.
Do you, you, you okay?
You understand?
And the daughters were like, Ohyeah, we know what's going on.
It's no big deal to us.
Didn't
Elle (17:26):
faze them at all.
Jay (17:28):
But eventually they left by now.
Everybody was like, 17 people inthe hot tub, which was a big hot
tub, 10 by 10 in ground, allpart of the pool in the backyard
experience.
But it
Tramp (17:40):
had to put a little break in the vibe.
Oh my God.
Yes.
The flow was broken.
Yes.
Jay (17:46):
Of course, we're all laughing.
We don't know what we can say.
Should we talk about it?
Should we not talk about it?
Is he coming back?
Coming back.
But then everybody got back inthe mood and we're back in the
house and went at it again.
Yeah.
And I think at the end, by theend of the night, I think I had.
You had sex with four of theseven women.
Yes.
(18:06):
And you had had sex with five ofthe men and two of the women.
Maybe three.
That sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
But yeah by 2 a.
m.
I mean
Elle (18:16):
tired But it was such a great party and it was a good
group of people brought togetherand we really appreciate it and
Jay (18:23):
there was the one the gorgeous the stunningly hot
woman and I was like, you know,you don't know me and I'm trying
to you know I and she goes honeyyou got invited We know you're
good to go I thought, wow,
Elle (18:39):
the
Jay (18:40):
host invited you, you're vetted.
It's all good.
And I like, wow, we found ourpeople.
Tramp (18:46):
I think group experiences of that nature are some of my
favorite experiences.
When, you just get a group thatclicks and Yeah, it's just kind
of a free for all, I guess youcould say.
And it's so much fun
Elle (19:02):
point and just pick up where someone left off for,
Tramp (19:05):
but it also means that you have to have ultimate trust
in your partner because you canget separated.
You can, right,
Jay (19:13):
right.
And some people are, that's ahard line.
It is our same room only.
Elle (2) (19:17):
Yeah.
Jay (19:18):
The other negative for this experience one of the women
grabbed me into one of thebedrooms.
And she clawed, and I do meanclawed my ass so bad I bled
Elle (19:31):
on the sheets.
We're like, I just, I just
Jay (19:33):
thought she screwed, you know, she just dug in real well.
It's not like you
Tramp (19:36):
have eyes back there, right?
Jay (19:38):
And then the next morning we're helping the host and host
to clean up.
It's just, oh my God, the sheetsare stained.
I'm just like, is that poop?
And I look, I go, no, it'sblood.
I go, Oh my God.
And I turned and looked, shegoes, holy cow, did you have sex
with Wolverine?
I mean, there were claw, thisjust two claw marks going down
my ass cheeks.
(19:58):
So other than that, it reallywas just such a wonderful party.
Yeah.
Just a great experience withwonderful people.
Elle (20:08):
It's a testament to putting the right people
together.
Tramp (20:10):
Yes.
And when you find a group likethat, yeah, it's, it's something
you want to hold on to.
Yep.
Well, guys, thank you forsharing those stories and hope
Jay (20:21):
you don't lose any listeners because of that.
Oh,
Tramp (20:24):
stop.
And I think for the unapologetichonesty there are two things
that I wrote down.
That's kind of applicable to allthree of our stories is number
one in almost all those stories.
There's one person who's thefire starter.
Elle (2) (20:43):
Yeah.
Tramp (20:44):
That one person that just puts it out there or gets it
moving, gets, gets the partygoing.
We've all been in those I don'twant to say uncomfortable, but
you want to make the move, but
Elle (20:56):
the weird, awkward, yeah,
Tramp (20:56):
the weird, awkward, just before
Elle (20:59):
seventh grade.
Yeah, high school dance kind offeeling.
Tramp (21:03):
And then really that communication is King.
Elle (21:06):
Yes, always.
Tramp (21:07):
Absolutely.
So whether it be you and yourpartner or when you're
conversing with the other coupleand asking the permissions and
just saying, we would reallylove to play with you guys and
just being very transparentabout it
Elle (21:20):
and
Tramp (21:20):
honest.
Elle (21:21):
Yeah.
Tramp (21:23):
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Dear unapologetic swingers, mywife and I had a married man
join us with his wife'spermission.
Months later, my wife had to goout of town and offered me up to
repay the favor.
The other wife replied, Oh,honey, that's too much work.
This begs the question, when youare the one in the middle,
(23:09):
whether it's an MFM or MM.
Or F M F.
Did you feel it was your job toplease the others?
Did you sit back and let themplease you?
Or was it a free for all?
So we're specifically talking,the one in the middle, whether,
whether it's the woman in themiddle or the man in the middle.
Right.
And admittedly, in myexperience, I've only been a
(23:34):
part of having a woman in themiddle.
Jay (23:38):
Okay.
I did not know that.
Tramp (23:39):
Yeah.
Jay (23:40):
My first response to the, Oh honey, that's too much work
is baby.
You're doing it wrong.
That's
Elle (23:46):
my thought too.
Jay (23:47):
We do a lot of threesomes because sometimes coordinating
with other couples, it's justtoo hard.
Elle (2) (23:52):
Yeah.
Jay (23:53):
You know, people have busy lives, you know, when you have
enough single friends, they go,Hey, let's do this.
You know, hit us up and, youknow, we're sitting at home
watching TV and suddenly, bing,there's one of our friends, male
or female, it's like, yeah, comeon over, let's have fun.
Elle (24:08):
Yeah, I'd say you're definitely doing it wrong if it
seems like it's too much work.
To have that kind of asituation.
I think my experiences have beenthat, you know, if it's me and
you and another gentlemanthere's a lot happening and I
don't necessarily need to knowwhat's going on.
I mean, it's just, rolling fromone thing to another, but I'm
(24:31):
taking
Jay (24:32):
care of you so you don't have to think about very much.
So
Elle (24:35):
other than the times where we start and you're both
standing in front of me and I'mtaking care of both of you.
You do enjoy that.
I do enjoy that as well.
But it does, seem to go more,flowy.
And I don't feel like it's morework at all.
Jay (24:52):
Okay.
I enjoy that.
I've only been the man in themiddle two times?
Just
Elle (24:57):
a couple.
Jay (24:58):
Just a couple times.
I can't sit back.
That, that's not my personality.
I have, yeah,
Tramp (25:02):
you don't like to be idle.
Jay (25:03):
No, I, I understand.
And maybe that's why I can't, asfar as bondage goes, I can't be
tied up and just made to, totake it, to take it, take it.
You're so nasty.
Seriously, I have to beinvolved.
Yeah, you, yeah.
I mean, even if, if the woman's,you know, blowing me, I have to
be touching her.
I have to be angry.
(25:24):
Yeah.
I'm, I'm the same way.
I have to feel I'm giving back.
Yes.
So, I don't know.
There are women out there thatfeel their job is to please,
both the men and the men aren'treally good lovers.
I don't know.
Elle (2) (25:37):
Yeah.
Jay (25:38):
But last time we did a MFM with you.
I mean, we're just.
He and I are in sync, and we'reat, one's at one end, one's at
the other end, or, you know.
One's fucking you or going downon you.
The other one's kissing you orhe's got his cock, in your
mouth.
And you're just, you're just,you're just happy,
Tramp (25:57):
hopefully that answers the listener's question.
I think it all truly, dependsand it depends on the individual
Elle (2) (26:04):
and
Tramp (26:04):
how involved they want to be, or some people, quite
frankly, just like to be used.
Elle (2) (26:11):
True.
Tramp (26:11):
Yeah.
So.
But personally, yeah, I need tobe involved and active and it's
not just for my own pleasure.
I want to.
Pleasure.
The person in the middle.
But it's both ways, I guess youcould say.
Elle (26:24):
And once again, it comes back to communication.
So it's talking about what youwant, what you're interested in,
what it's good.
There are days I don't want tothink,, I'll make it happen.
It's like, I don't want to thinkI'd like, that's such a
Jay (26:36):
slippery slope because I can't read your mind.
I said, well, I thought we'dhave someone come over no, whoa.
Okay.
Hey, I thought maybe we could dothis different kind of sex act
tonight
Elle (26:50):
and look at us communicating.
Yeah.
Jay (26:51):
Yeah.
You got to communicate.
Elle (26:52):
You have to, you
Jay (26:53):
know, and sometimes it's like, Ooh, I That would be fun,
Elle (26:56):
right?
Jay (26:57):
Yeah, and suddenly game on.
Elle (26:59):
Yeah,
Jay (27:00):
but you got to talk you can't
Elle (27:01):
yeah,
Jay (27:02):
you're not one to be surprised
Elle (27:04):
No
Jay (27:04):
as much as I would love that.
Elle (27:06):
No,
Jay (27:07):
you are not
Elle (27:09):
You know not to have somebody come into our house in
the middle of the night andslide into bed and fuck me
Jay (27:15):
What friends of ours?
Elle (27:19):
That is that one is not for me no One, you know better
than to wake me up in the middleof the night.
Tramp (27:27):
But I think, for a future episode, we can break down
communication styles and evenwithin the lifestyle, sometimes
we're afraid to talk to ourpartners about, Hey, what about
this?
Yeah.
What about that?
Wondering if you're crossing theline,
Jay (27:44):
Oh, and that's why I think for all new couples, I say,
listen to podcasts, you hear thegood stories, you hear the bad
stories and then you can talk.
Hey, what do you think aboutsuch and such?
Elle (27:55):
If that happened to us, what would, how would you react?
Yeah,
Tramp (28:00):
that's, that's a great way to go about it.
Elle (28:01):
Yeah.
Jay (28:02):
Yeah.
Tramp (28:03):
Well, J and L, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Once again,
Jay (28:08):
our pleasure
Tramp (28:09):
just for everything that you've done for me.
And hopefully the listeners haveenjoyed hearing and will
continue to enjoy to hear theirown experiences as we move
forward here.
And so guys, I really do needsome emails for the ask us
anything questions we can bereached at unapologetic swingers
(28:30):
at gmail.
com.
And if the biggest way that youguys can help us is whatever
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That would be the most helpfulthing for, moving the podcast,
just kind of up the rankings andgetting our message out.
We do not have a set plan fornext episode.
(28:52):
It will probably be anotherinterview format, I would
imagine.
Elle (28:56):
Yep.
Until next time, I'm Elle.
Tramp (28:58):
And I'm the Tramp.
Elle (28:59):
Be sexy.
Tramp (29:00):
Be confident.
Elle (29:01):
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm l
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the tramp and guys I'm, just so pleased to
have l and j back with me todayfor another episode just A
little bit about us.
This podcast is all about ouradventures and sometimes
misadventures in the lifestylesometimes we'll have guests.
Sometimes we'll just talk aboutsexy stories and everything in
(00:29):
between I'm going to title thisbest lifestyle date ever.
And we each have our own uniquestories with this that we'll
tell today and we'll go fromthere.
Elle (00:40):
Sounds good.
Jay (00:42):
Looking forward to it.
Elle (00:44):
Thanks for having us back
Tramp (00:45):
anytime you guys have been so much fun to work with
and I appreciate you guys morethan you know.
Elle (00:50):
Well, we appreciate you too.
Jay (00:52):
You're a good man.
Tramp (00:54):
So, L, I think you are first one up with your
unapologetic story of your bestdate ever.
Elle (01:01):
Yes.
And as I was thinking about thisthe five plus years that we've
been in the lifestyle, there'sdifferent scenarios and mine, I
think, is maybe Less of a sexystory and more of a kind of a
seduction story.
And when I think about one of mybest lifestyle experiences, I
(01:22):
think back to when Jay and Iwere first starting to date and
Jay (01:28):
pre COVID
Elle (01:30):
very like right pre COVID like that week before I had a
convention in Las Vegas and Ihad invited Jay to fly down for
the weekend after so that wecould have, some fun getting to
know each other and all the joysthat Vegas has to offer.
And Jay worked really hard tofind a couple of dates for us to
(01:52):
get to know some other couples.
And we did meet two couples thatlive in the Las Vegas area.
Vegas is
Tramp (01:58):
great for that, by the way.
I didn't want to cut you offthere.
Oh, yeah.
Jay (02:02):
And what we've learned is the people who live there prefer
to play with out of towners.
Tramp (02:07):
Well, I'm gonna sidetrack just real quick because Vegas is
a magical place.
There is a very strong locallifestyle community.
Elle (2) (02:14):
Yes.
Tramp (02:15):
But it is Sin City, so there's such a A throughput, I
guess you could say, oflifestyle visitors that come
there to play as well.
Elle (02:25):
I would agree.
Jay (02:26):
Yeah.
Elle (02:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and the last time we went,we definitely utilized our time
better.
But the second date is the oneI'm going to talk about because
we had Spoken with a couple onCassidy and made plans for
dinner and then see where thingsgo.
And the four of us hit it offvery well.
Conversation was easy, veryfluid, and they were both, oh,
(02:50):
she was so, so And he was sohandsome and you know, we're
really getting a good vibe withthe four of us and everything.
And they invited us to theirhotel.
And they had come down causethey were out of the area
enough, that they got a hotelroom and they were in the
Bellagio in one of the upperfloor suites.
(03:13):
And So we took a cab back overto their hotel and we went up
into their room and they hadbrought a cooler with any kind
of alcohol, wine.
Beer, booze.
Jay (03:27):
This just wasn't just a room or just your average suite
either.
This was like one below thepenthouse.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
This place was bigger than mostpeople's apartments.
Elle (03:37):
Right.
And a beautiful view of thestrip and they brought, oh, 30
candles or something.
They like, lit candles all overthe room.
They had music playing andyou're in this amazing vibe of
Just sexiness.
And at one point she and I weresitting on the sofa and talking
(04:01):
and she asked if I liked girlsand I was Just starting to
experiment with it.
And so, we had some fun playfulkissing on the sofa and Touching
and then the music was playingand you asked her to dance or
she asked you she
Jay (04:20):
asked you
Elle (04:23):
Okay, I didn't remember that first first and then poorly
And then you did some niceballroom dancing with her and it
really continued to set thatsexy vibe mood.
And we, we took it to thebedroom and had two queen beds
(04:44):
in there.
And what was interesting is itwas not a full swap.
It was a very soft swap.
There was some he and I madeout, you and her made out.
I think there was some lighttouching and other fun nether
areas.
Jay (05:01):
Okay, it was usually a threesome with the two guys
rotating.
Back and forth, back and
Elle (05:06):
forth with the girls.
Okay.
There
Jay (05:08):
was kissing, touching, oral.
Elle (05:10):
Right.
But there was no penetrationwith he and I or with you and
her?
Nope.
I think even if I'm gonna outmyself, at one point, towards
the end of the evening, theywere on the other bed watching
us.
We were having sex and I believeyou went in my ass.
Yes.
Yes.
And they just watched Wide-eyedand Oh wow.
(05:31):
It was.
So hot for everybody.
And we left that evening just onthis high and exchanged phone
numbers and everything.
And we were looking to make someplans of trying to meet them,
maybe somewhere and try andconnect up with them.
And we just never did reconnectuntil.
(05:53):
Side note, a couple years laterwe were at a girls on court
holiday party where the men andthe women are there.
And this guy walks by and he'sjust grinning goofily at me and
then this woman walked up whenwe saw her, she was a blonde and
now she was a redhead and she'slike, you don't remember us.
(06:13):
I'm like, I want to.
It wasn't that
Tramp (06:16):
couple.
It
Elle (06:16):
was that couple and they had just moved to Denver and
because he grown up here and Ithink he was in the military
here as well and retired andwanted to come back to Colorado.
So we've run into him a fewtimes, we've never gone out with
him again, but we left thatVegas trip I think I have a
(06:38):
crush on her.
Like that was my first girlcrush where it was just so sexy
and so seductive.
I was like, wow, that took myhead and my body, you know?
And so for me, that's my, myfavorite.
Tramp (06:56):
so much for sharing that.
That was definitely sexy.
So, guys, I'm going to go next.
And this happened a couple yearsback with Lady and I.
We had a couple reach out to usfrom out of town.
I've mentioned them in earlierpodcasts.
Their names are Trey and Ivy.
And, leading up to the date, youknow, it's not uncommon to
(07:22):
establish a text with all fourof you on it to kind of gauge
compatibility and whatnot,because from the Cassidy
profile, there's only so muchthat you can get from that.
Elle (07:32):
Agree.
Tramp (07:34):
Personality wise and everything else.
And.
It kind of devolved, it was justTrey and I, so the two guys just
pretty much texting back andforth, and the girls were
largely silent.
Elle (2) (07:44):
That happens.
Tramp (07:46):
I know
Jay (07:46):
how that feels.
Tramp (07:48):
And as much as I asked the lady to get involved, she
just didn't, and that was justkind of her personality type.
But we end up meeting here inDenver and grabbing cocktails
and all four of us just clicked.
It was, it was great.
And we had cocktails and thendinner at a tapas place and very
flirty, just very good.
(08:10):
And we decided to Have anotherround of cocktails closer to
their hotel.
Jay (08:16):
Sorry.
Was this early in yourlifestyle?
Tramp (08:20):
It was, I want to guesstimate about two years ago,
give or take.
So at this point we were alreadyfull swap.
Jay (08:27):
Okay.
Tramp (08:27):
And.
I remember it fondly becauseIvy.
So the female half of the couplewas very straightforward.
And as we were driving to thecocktail place She was like,
Hey, we, really like you guys.
We get along really well afteranother round of cocktails,
would you say we take you backto our hotel?
Elle (08:48):
Oh, I like that direct, very
Tramp (08:50):
direct, very straightforward.
And that takes, I just want tosay balls from the male
perspective, but, you have to beconfident.
You have to be able to putyourself out there for risk of
rejection.
Elle (09:00):
Yeah, got to read the room too.
And
Tramp (09:02):
exactly.
And I should probably describethe couple.
Trey is tall, like me, muscular.
and Ivy is just this littlefirecracker, just an amazing
body brunette.
And quite the looker, I have tosay.
And so he has a
Jay (09:18):
huge grin on his face.
I do.
Elle (09:22):
I'm intrigued.
Tramp (09:24):
And we get to this really nice little cocktail lounge and
at that point end up sittingnext to Kind of switching places
and we had a couple drinks andjust carried on and got back to
the hotel room and it was justgame on.
And it was quite the experience.
The girls didn't interact asmuch as I love watching that.
(09:47):
This was just one of thosesituations and I, it's one of
those things in the lifestylewhere not all women are by or,
or even have attractions.
Some are straight and that'sokay.
Elle (09:57):
Sometimes it's just situational and sometimes it's
situational.
It's you have to have thatattraction and feel that energy
and sometimes it's there andsometimes it's there, but it's
more my, I might be moreattracted to you.
Jay (10:08):
This is no secret, but I love it when you find that
attraction.
Tramp (10:14):
It's fun to watch.
Just from my own historicalexperiences, it's very fun to
watch.
I can't necessarily talk aboutLady's experience with Trey, but
me playing with Ivy, I rememberwe got naked and I threw her on
the bed and, and I looked herright in the eye and just said,
the only words I want to hearare faster, slower, or harder or
(10:35):
softer.
And then I went down on her.
Wow.
Jay (10:39):
Yeah.
I think El just got a littlewet.
Tramp (10:41):
And we played, condoms were involved and she broke out
this little rosebud toy.
I've never seen one before.
Like I've seen vibrators andI've seen wands and dildos and
all that, but this was just likea little, I guess it was a
sucker.
Yep.
Suckers.
And, I remember she was usingthat on herself while she was
(11:05):
kind of straddling me andstroking me.
And at that point the condom wasoff, part of my personality is I
love being teased.
So, she would have the sucker onher clit for a little bit and
then take my cock head and justtap it against her clit and then
go back to stroking me.
And it was just so erotic and sohot to watch.
Jay (11:24):
When can we meet these people?
Elle (11:28):
They come back.
Tramp (11:29):
Oh, one day, one day I sincerely hope so.
But all I know is after that,everyone was all smiles and this
is just a great couple.
And yeah, I sincerely hope I getanother chance to meet them
again.
Elle (11:44):
That is a wonderful story.
Yes.
Jay (11:48):
Okay.
All right.
I guess I am up.
Jay, you are up.
Okay.
My story is a little different.
And so here we go.
We have friends in Houston andthey invited us down for an
extended weekend.
So we said, you know, why not?
We've got the time.
Let's go.
And it was great.
We had such a great time for thefirst couple of days.
(12:09):
Saturday they held a pool partyin our honor.
Everybody was there at threeo'clock, 10 couples and two
single guys.
I think it was, it was about 17people.
So including the host, hostessand us.
Elle (12:25):
Yeah, somewhere in there.
Okay.
And
Jay (12:27):
Typical, you know, Houston weather.
You can never predict.
It was pouring rain
Elle (12:31):
by four.
Jay (12:31):
Yeah.
So four o'clock.
Yeah Everybody's in shorts andtank tops and t shirts and at
four o'clock The host callseverybody into their great room
with the kitchen right there Youknow with a giant sectional
couch and fireplace.
It's all one big space And atfour o'clock he said i'm calling
it.
We're starting the party now Andhe goes L J come here, sit in
(12:57):
these bar stools and everybodywas kind of fanned out around
the sides.
All of a sudden the musicstarts.
It's the soundtrack from 50shades and this woman comes out
of the side room, full cloak anda full face, Venice masks.
Sure.
And she starts dancing.
Elle (13:17):
Kind of eyes wide shut.
Jay (13:18):
Thank you, eyes wide shut experience.
And she's dancing and she's upagainst the crowd and she's
flashing a little bit of this, alittle bit of that.
Finally, there's a chair in themiddle of the room.
She uses the chair and I mean,I'm sorry, she may have been
pushing 50 or slightly over 50.
She had an amazing body and shehas had experience dancing.
(13:45):
This wasn't a junior high talentshow.
No, not at all.
It was so damn sexy.
Tramp (13:50):
What a neat party trick to have.
Jay (13:51):
The first song ended.
She had lost the cape, lost themask, gorgeous curly hair,
blonde tattoos, and she'swearing a red bra and panties.
Just so sexy.
The second song starts.
She walks right up, grabs L bythe hand, pulls her out and sits
her in the chair.
(14:12):
And what makes this extraspecial is the host gave L her
first experience with Molly.
Okay.
And so the girl starts doing alap dance just for Al.
Of course, we're all just turnedon as all can be.
And about halfway through thedance, You can tell the Molly
hit Because she like getsnervous fingers and she's all
(14:36):
smiles and she starts Justwanted to touch touch all the
things and the dancer She justlike puts the rubbing the breast
on el's face and el latches onYou know, it was just so damn
hot and then it ended And nowthe host had told me usually
Everybody departs to thedifferent rooms.
There are four bedrooms in thehouse.
(14:57):
And threesome here, foursomethere, that kind of thing.
Everybody in the room was on thesectional.
He and I, the host and I had thedancer first, each end, just a
great little threesome.
Well, people all around us.
Elle (2) (15:12):
L's
Jay (15:14):
on the corner of the sectional with one single guy
and one married guy showing heran amazing time.
You know, orgasms, orgasms,orgasms.
Take a quick breather becauseit's only like not even five
o'clock.
It's sun's still up.
I'm laying back on the couch.
The dancer is laying on my chestfacing outward.
(15:35):
Elle comes up and is juststaring at her and she looks up
and she goes, sweetie, do youwant to eat my pussy?
And Elle, with her hands claspedtogether, goes, May I?
And she goes, Oh, of course.
And Elle does a little girldance and dives into that pussy.
(15:57):
And I'm just like, jaw drop.
It was just so hot.
Just like to see her aggressivelike this with a woman.
And
Elle (16:05):
assertive.
Thank you.
Jay (16:06):
Okay.
Assertive.
And the party went till 2 AM.
And I mean, it was just amazingplaying and everything.
Wow.
The one downside was at onepoint they have a neighbor.
They had discussed him with usseveral times when we drove by
his house.
I guess his job is toprofessionally schmooze
(16:27):
executives.
So it's his job to party withhigh rollers.
Okay.
He's probably 60.
Elle (16:32):
Yeah.
Jay (16:33):
He's a flaming alcoholic.
Elle (16:34):
Yes.
Jay (16:35):
And in the middle, we're taking a break, probably the
second break of the party.
It's maybe six o'clock,
Elle (16:40):
seven, seven, seven.
It's dark out.
So
Jay (16:43):
all of a sudden front door he walks in.
Hey, y'all having a party?
What the hell?
We're all naked.
All the guys have taken Viagra.
So they're all standing therewith raging hard ons.
This guy is so drunk, he'soblivious.
And he just walks right over tothe bar to pour himself a drink.
His two daughters, 21 and 20,walk in behind him.
(17:08):
Obviously, people start coveringup and we start quickly walking
out to the hot tub, you know, toget and the host is like trying
to get him out.
One person goes to thedaughters.
Do you, you, you okay?
You understand?
And the daughters were like, Ohyeah, we know what's going on.
It's no big deal to us.
Didn't
Elle (17:26):
faze them at all.
Jay (17:28):
But eventually they left by now.
Everybody was like, 17 people inthe hot tub, which was a big hot
tub, 10 by 10 in ground, allpart of the pool in the backyard
experience.
But it
Tramp (17:40):
had to put a little break in the vibe.
Oh my God.
Yes.
The flow was broken.
Yes.
Jay (17:46):
Of course, we're all laughing.
We don't know what we can say.
Should we talk about it?
Should we not talk about it?
Is he coming back?
Coming back.
But then everybody got back inthe mood and we're back in the
house and went at it again.
Yeah.
And I think at the end, by theend of the night, I think I had.
You had sex with four of theseven women.
Yes.
(18:06):
And you had had sex with five ofthe men and two of the women.
Maybe three.
That sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
But yeah by 2 a.
m.
I mean
Elle (18:16):
tired But it was such a great party and it was a good
group of people brought togetherand we really appreciate it and
Jay (18:23):
there was the one the gorgeous the stunningly hot
woman and I was like, you know,you don't know me and I'm trying
to you know I and she goes honeyyou got invited We know you're
good to go I thought, wow,
Elle (18:39):
the
Jay (18:40):
host invited you, you're vetted.
It's all good.
And I like, wow, we found ourpeople.
Tramp (18:46):
I think group experiences of that nature are some of my
favorite experiences.
When, you just get a group thatclicks and Yeah, it's just kind
of a free for all, I guess youcould say.
And it's so much fun
Elle (19:02):
point and just pick up where someone left off for,
Tramp (19:05):
but it also means that you have to have ultimate trust
in your partner because you canget separated.
You can, right,
Jay (19:13):
right.
And some people are, that's ahard line.
It is our same room only.
Elle (2) (19:17):
Yeah.
Jay (19:18):
The other negative for this experience one of the women
grabbed me into one of thebedrooms.
And she clawed, and I do meanclawed my ass so bad I bled
Elle (19:31):
on the sheets.
We're like, I just, I just
Jay (19:33):
thought she screwed, you know, she just dug in real well.
It's not like you
Tramp (19:36):
have eyes back there, right?
Jay (19:38):
And then the next morning we're helping the host and host
to clean up.
It's just, oh my God, the sheetsare stained.
I'm just like, is that poop?
And I look, I go, no, it'sblood.
I go, Oh my God.
And I turned and looked, shegoes, holy cow, did you have sex
with Wolverine?
I mean, there were claw, thisjust two claw marks going down
my ass cheeks.
(19:58):
So other than that, it reallywas just such a wonderful party.
Yeah.
Just a great experience withwonderful people.
Elle (20:08):
It's a testament to putting the right people
together.
Tramp (20:10):
Yes.
And when you find a group likethat, yeah, it's, it's something
you want to hold on to.
Yep.
Well, guys, thank you forsharing those stories and hope
Jay (20:21):
you don't lose any listeners because of that.
Oh,
Tramp (20:24):
stop.
And I think for the unapologetichonesty there are two things
that I wrote down.
That's kind of applicable to allthree of our stories is number
one in almost all those stories.
There's one person who's thefire starter.
Elle (2) (20:43):
Yeah.
Tramp (20:44):
That one person that just puts it out there or gets it
moving, gets, gets the partygoing.
We've all been in those I don'twant to say uncomfortable, but
you want to make the move, but
Elle (20:56):
the weird, awkward, yeah,
Tramp (20:56):
the weird, awkward, just before
Elle (20:59):
seventh grade.
Yeah, high school dance kind offeeling.
Tramp (21:03):
And then really that communication is King.
Elle (21:06):
Yes, always.
Tramp (21:07):
Absolutely.
So whether it be you and yourpartner or when you're
conversing with the other coupleand asking the permissions and
just saying, we would reallylove to play with you guys and
just being very transparentabout it
Elle (21:20):
and
Tramp (21:20):
honest.
Elle (21:21):
Yeah.
Tramp (21:23):
Well, fantastic guys.
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(22:48):
Dear unapologetic swingers, mywife and I had a married man
join us with his wife'spermission.
Months later, my wife had to goout of town and offered me up to
repay the favor.
The other wife replied, Oh,honey, that's too much work.
This begs the question, when youare the one in the middle,
(23:09):
whether it's an MFM or MM.
Or F M F.
Did you feel it was your job toplease the others?
Did you sit back and let themplease you?
Or was it a free for all?
So we're specifically talking,the one in the middle, whether,
whether it's the woman in themiddle or the man in the middle.
Right.
And admittedly, in myexperience, I've only been a
(23:34):
part of having a woman in themiddle.
Jay (23:38):
Okay.
I did not know that.
Tramp (23:39):
Yeah.
Jay (23:40):
My first response to the, Oh honey, that's too much work
is baby.
You're doing it wrong.
That's
Elle (23:46):
my thought too.
Jay (23:47):
We do a lot of threesomes because sometimes coordinating
with other couples, it's justtoo hard.
Elle (2) (23:52):
Yeah.
Jay (23:53):
You know, people have busy lives, you know, when you have
enough single friends, they go,Hey, let's do this.
You know, hit us up and, youknow, we're sitting at home
watching TV and suddenly, bing,there's one of our friends, male
or female, it's like, yeah, comeon over, let's have fun.
Elle (24:08):
Yeah, I'd say you're definitely doing it wrong if it
seems like it's too much work.
To have that kind of asituation.
I think my experiences have beenthat, you know, if it's me and
you and another gentlemanthere's a lot happening and I
don't necessarily need to knowwhat's going on.
I mean, it's just, rolling fromone thing to another, but I'm
(24:31):
taking
Jay (24:32):
care of you so you don't have to think about very much.
So
Elle (24:35):
other than the times where we start and you're both
standing in front of me and I'mtaking care of both of you.
You do enjoy that.
I do enjoy that as well.
But it does, seem to go more,flowy.
And I don't feel like it's morework at all.
Jay (24:52):
Okay.
I enjoy that.
I've only been the man in themiddle two times?
Just
Elle (24:57):
a couple.
Jay (24:58):
Just a couple times.
I can't sit back.
That, that's not my personality.
I have, yeah,
Tramp (25:02):
you don't like to be idle.
Jay (25:03):
No, I, I understand.
And maybe that's why I can't, asfar as bondage goes, I can't be
tied up and just made to, totake it, to take it, take it.
You're so nasty.
Seriously, I have to beinvolved.
Yeah, you, yeah.
I mean, even if, if the woman's,you know, blowing me, I have to
be touching her.
I have to be angry.
(25:24):
Yeah.
I'm, I'm the same way.
I have to feel I'm giving back.
Yes.
So, I don't know.
There are women out there thatfeel their job is to please,
both the men and the men aren'treally good lovers.
I don't know.
Elle (2) (25:37):
Yeah.
Jay (25:38):
But last time we did a MFM with you.
I mean, we're just.
He and I are in sync, and we'reat, one's at one end, one's at
the other end, or, you know.
One's fucking you or going downon you.
The other one's kissing you orhe's got his cock, in your
mouth.
And you're just, you're just,you're just happy,
Tramp (25:57):
hopefully that answers the listener's question.
I think it all truly, dependsand it depends on the individual
Elle (2) (26:04):
and
Tramp (26:04):
how involved they want to be, or some people, quite
frankly, just like to be used.
Elle (2) (26:11):
True.
Tramp (26:11):
Yeah.
So.
But personally, yeah, I need tobe involved and active and it's
not just for my own pleasure.
I want to.
Pleasure.
The person in the middle.
But it's both ways, I guess youcould say.
Elle (26:24):
And once again, it comes back to communication.
So it's talking about what youwant, what you're interested in,
what it's good.
There are days I don't want tothink,, I'll make it happen.
It's like, I don't want to thinkI'd like, that's such a
Jay (26:36):
slippery slope because I can't read your mind.
I said, well, I thought we'dhave someone come over no, whoa.
Okay.
Hey, I thought maybe we could dothis different kind of sex act
tonight
Elle (26:50):
and look at us communicating.
Yeah.
Jay (26:51):
Yeah.
You got to communicate.
Elle (26:52):
You have to, you
Jay (26:53):
know, and sometimes it's like, Ooh, I That would be fun,
Elle (26:56):
right?
Jay (26:57):
Yeah, and suddenly game on.
Elle (26:59):
Yeah,
Jay (27:00):
but you got to talk you can't
Elle (27:01):
yeah,
Jay (27:02):
you're not one to be surprised
Elle (27:04):
No
Jay (27:04):
as much as I would love that.
Elle (27:06):
No,
Jay (27:07):
you are not
Elle (27:09):
You know not to have somebody come into our house in
the middle of the night andslide into bed and fuck me
Jay (27:15):
What friends of ours?
Elle (27:19):
That is that one is not for me no One, you know better
than to wake me up in the middleof the night.
Tramp (27:27):
But I think, for a future episode, we can break down
communication styles and evenwithin the lifestyle, sometimes
we're afraid to talk to ourpartners about, Hey, what about
this?
Yeah.
What about that?
Wondering if you're crossing theline,
Jay (27:44):
Oh, and that's why I think for all new couples, I say,
listen to podcasts, you hear thegood stories, you hear the bad
stories and then you can talk.
Hey, what do you think aboutsuch and such?
Elle (27:55):
If that happened to us, what would, how would you react?
Yeah,
Tramp (28:00):
that's, that's a great way to go about it.
Elle (28:01):
Yeah.
Jay (28:02):
Yeah.
Tramp (28:03):
Well, J and L, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Once again,
Jay (28:08):
our pleasure
Tramp (28:09):
just for everything that you've done for me.
And hopefully the listeners haveenjoyed hearing and will
continue to enjoy to hear theirown experiences as we move
forward here.
And so guys, I really do needsome emails for the ask us
anything questions we can bereached at unapologetic swingers
(28:30):
at gmail.
com.
And if the biggest way that youguys can help us is whatever
podcast site you're listening tous on, just leave us a review.
That would be the most helpfulthing for, moving the podcast,
just kind of up the rankings andgetting our message out.
We do not have a set plan fornext episode.
(28:52):
It will probably be anotherinterview format, I would
imagine.
Elle (28:56):
Yep.
Until next time, I'm Elle.
Tramp (28:58):
And I'm the Tramp.
Elle (28:59):
Be sexy.
Tramp (29:00):
Be confident.
Elle (29:01):
Be unapologetic.
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