March 2, 2025 • 28 mins
The Tramp and Elle are back to talk about our own unique takes on organic play and how incredible it can be when everything comes together. This one is fun!
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Elle (00:05):
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm Elle.
Tramp (00:09):
And I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we are so thankfulthat you're back with us for
another episode.
And my cohost Elle here, who hasdefinitely become a cornerstone
of the new podcast
Elle (00:22):
I'm really enjoying this.
It is very fun.
Yeah.
Once you get past that weirdawkwardness, which tends to
linger with me sometimes,
Tramp (00:30):
I think it lingers for all of us at some point or
another.
Elle (00:33):
Thank God.
Tramp (00:35):
The whole point of this podcast is really to, express
our, victories and defeats inthe lifestyle through our
various, very uniqueexperiences.
And it's not always good, butit's not always bad either.
And throughout the journey, wejust really learn a lot about
ourselves.
Elle (00:55):
Oh, for sure.
And, it feeds over into ourvanilla life too.
So I find that I'm a betterperson, more understanding, more
accepting after being in thelifestyle for a while.
Tramp (01:08):
Right.
And I have to say, I thinkprobably my lifestyle friends
are some of my absolute bestfriends in this world.
100%.
Well, guys, this is going to beepisode number 15 and it is the
joys of organic play.
Elle (01:24):
That's not orgasmic play.
It's organic.
Tramp (01:27):
Yes.
And what we're referring to hereare instances where maybe you
were at a house party or theclub and Maybe you just find
yourself in that perfectsituation, you weren't even
prepared to play or findyourself in that scenario, but
all of a sudden, the stars alignand Everything just feels right
(01:50):
it's just this organic flow thatyou get into and sometimes those
experiences are quite honestlysome of the most memorable and
the best.
Elle (02:01):
Agreed, agreed.
Tramp (02:03):
So Elle's gonna start off first with her unapologetic
story and then I'll jump in withmine.
Elle (02:08):
Okay, so Jay and I had these people that we had met at
the ranch, and we'd gotten toknow them, super sexy, she's
just, she's so beautiful, he'svery handsome, but we couldn't
quite get a feel for them, andat one point, I think, we had
sent them something on Cassidy,they looked at our profile, and
(02:29):
they came back with, oh, ourplace styles are just too
different, and, We might have afew racy pictures on there, so
we kind of went, hmm, okay,well, whatever.
And it wasn't until months laterwhen we were really talking with
them one night, and they said,oh, no, no, we only play with
(02:50):
each other.
They have kids at home, and thefirst thing they do, When they
get to the ranch, they godownstairs and they play because
they don't get that time.
And then come up and they lovebeing around the sexy people and
the fun things and they reallyliked us.
We're like, oh, okay.
So later on, Jay and I weregoing downstairs and this couple
was in one of the first cabanaswith the door open and she's
(03:12):
riding him and it's super sexyand she calls us over.
And we looked at each otherlike, huh?
And, Jay came over and put hishand on her back.
He's like, what can we, what canwe do for you?
How can we help?
And she's like, Oh no, no, no,we're not.
We don't want to play with you,but could you guys do something?
(03:33):
So that is
Tramp (03:35):
such an open,
Elle (03:36):
right?
What, what else is a girl to do?
I got on my knees and I tookJay's cock in my mouth and
started sucking on him, whichwithin, Oh, 30 seconds.
She was coming so hard and sostrong, and we basically, I
stood up, and we looked at themand said, Enjoy, and we bowed
(03:58):
out gracefully, but it was sofun, and it is very memorable to
us, because we weren't part ofthe play, but we were.
And we were the sexy turn onthat put her over the edge kind
of a thing.
And, and we were super happy todo that.
Tramp (04:14):
Right.
So it sounds like she isextremely visual, most likely.
There you go.
And so you guys were a fantasticaccessory.
Elle (04:24):
I like being an accessory.
I can do that.
Tramp (04:26):
And in their style of play where they almost sounded
like they were parallel playonly or, or.
More exhibitionist almost.
Elle (04:36):
I think so.
Or in just wanted to seesomebody else doing something
sexy.
Tramp (04:43):
And that was her thing.
Yeah.
Elle (04:45):
We were so happy.
We were so happy to be that forthem.
Tramp (04:49):
Well that's awesome.
So mine also happened at theranch.
And this would have been at thispoint several years ago.
And my partner and I were.
It was a normal Saturday eveningat the ranch and, and just like
most clubs, the Friday andSaturday evening crowd is going
(05:10):
to be a lot more out of townersor people that come for the
first time.
It is true.
It's because it's particularlywith Saturday.
It's the most popular night,definitely the busiest, and you
do
Elle (05:25):
have somebody, if they're coming in from out of town, they
are DTF.
Yes,
Tramp (05:29):
they And so DTF would be
Elle (05:32):
down to fuck.
Tramp (05:34):
Yes.
Okay.
Elle (05:36):
Thank you for explaining the definition.
Tramp (05:41):
And as the evening wore on a lot of people migrate
downstairs, whether they'rewatchers or trying to secure a
corner or, or whatnot.
And so she and I had gonedownstairs just to check it out.
And.
As El had mentioned there,there's basically a row of rooms
(06:02):
or kind of cabanas that haveeither sheer curtains doubled up
with solid curtains.
So, traditionally you can leavethem wide open.
You can close just the sheercurtains or close the solid
curtains all the way if you wanta little bit more privacy.
And there was this really sexycouple in one of the rooms.
(06:24):
And we were just kind of sittingback and admiring them as they
just played with each other.
And then the female, I remembershe's a sexy little blonde, kind
of threw the Shears motion rightto us.
Okay, they
Elle (06:40):
can't see you move your hand like that just so you know.
He's making a come in heremotion with his hand.
Thank you, Al.
Tramp (06:49):
You mean they can't No, no,
Elle (06:52):
this is not a YouTube video.
Tramp (06:56):
And we look at each other.
It's like, surely they aren'tmotioning to us.
It must be.
So we look all around becausethere's a number of people down
there.
And then her hand actually comesthrough the shears and motions
us again.
So we're like, well, why don'twe go at least stick our heads
in?
We, you know, we don't have to.
(07:16):
We don't dedicate ourselves toanything or promise ourselves
and we go in and they're justlike, we saw you guys earlier
and found you guys superattractive and we'd love to play
with you guys.
And it was at that point in theevening we'd had, some good
drinks and just really feelingthat sexy vibe.
Elle (07:35):
Sexy vibe is the best.
Tramp (07:38):
We, quickly explained, we're a soft swap only couple at
this point.
And they're like, no problem.
We just want to touch and playwith you.
And it was, it was like, okay,let's go.
We already knew the boundariesand we could look at each other
and just say, yes, let's, let'sdo it.
And we had just a phenomenalplay session and.
(07:58):
It was just super sexy and, andthe girls had a chance to play a
little bit and it was reallysexy to watch them and, and
then, we broke off with theother partners and it was, a
fantastic time.
It truly was.
And that's really, through thisepisode, what we're talking
(08:19):
about when it's not a planneddate where.
Elle (08:22):
You go with the expectation you're going to
connect with some couple and
Tramp (08:25):
right and there's not a huge amount of communication in
advance, right?
Other than you and your partnerare already on the same page,
Elle (08:34):
right?
Right?
And then there's sort of thatmental connection of you're both
turned on.
You both are seeing what'shappening and you've both been
invited in and no one's goingyou or that it.
No, this doesn't seem like thisis something that we want.
They were very kind to say, welooked at you earlier, thought
(08:54):
you were sexy and that makes youfeel good.
It does.
Right?
Who doesn't want to feel wanted?
Yeah.
And so when someone acknowledgesit, it's even better.
So yeah, I think that's great.
Tramp (09:06):
Aren't compliments the
Elle (09:07):
best?
I love them.
I do like them very much.
I have one other story now thatyou mentioned it at the ranch
and.
It was the summer and actuallyit was my birthday.
We celebrated on Sunday Fundayand we got one of the outdoor
cabanas and some wonderfulfriends decorated it up for me
(09:28):
and we were having a great time.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it was, it was really,really nice.
I think the owner mentioned thatit was the best decorated.
He'd ever seen, but he mighttell that to everybody, you
know, anyway, I felt good and atone point I had gone downstairs.
I was looking for Jay and Justkind of checking it out See what
(09:51):
was happening and came acrosstwo very good friends on the
fourth square out in the openAnd they were playing and having
sex and when I walked upimmediately she said oh It's
Elle's birthday You need to fuckher.
And I'm like, okay.
Because I've played with itbefore and it was a good comfort
(10:12):
level and I knew that Jay wouldbe fine with it.
And he looked at his wife andsaid, we don't have the bag.
And she's like, I'll get it.
You guys get started.
Tramp (10:22):
Ah, the infamous playback.
Elle (10:24):
We should always have that.
Even if you're not planning onplaying, you should always have
it near, even if it's in thecar.
Because you don't know when theorganic things will happen.
So, we were playing and havingfun, then she came back and she
joined in, and a little whilelater, Jay came up and he had
been playing with a lesbianfriend who had mentioned that
(10:48):
occasionally She likes a dickand he was happy to oblige and
let her have that.
I thought it was great, but shewas definitely super excited to
give me a little birthday boostand the whole thing just was not
expected.
It was not planned and those aresome of my favorite, favorite
(11:12):
times.
Again, we've talked about it.
Sexpectations don't have them gointo something.
And every time we go outwherever it is, let's just have
fun.
But if you've got thatcommunication ahead of time and
you can make those switches andthose changes when it's
warranted, it's, and again,people can't see my hand motion
(11:33):
that I'm doing, but it'sdelightful.
Tramp (11:35):
It is.
And like I said, sometimes thoseare the most memorable just
experiences that you can have.
Elle (11:44):
Agreed.
Tramp (11:45):
And actually I have one more.
I, I thought of two.
Elle (2) (11:49):
Good.
Good.
Tramp (11:49):
Good.
And this would have happened.
This was also a couple of yearsago, but at this point we were a
full swap
couple.
And we were invited to a really beautiful house and it
was a summertime pool party andit was, very private and
(12:10):
everything.
And I don't think it wasdesigned to necessarily be a
play party, just more of a, of asexy
Elle (12:18):
get together, get,
Tramp (12:19):
get together
Elle (12:20):
fun parties too.
But
Tramp (12:22):
As the day, war on and of course, summertime pools, the
drinks are going to flow.
Elle (12:28):
Clothes come off.
Tramp (12:28):
And yeah.
Clothes start to come off.
Yes.
Yes.
And the sun is setting andthere's just this tension in the
air.
And I forget what just trippedit off, but there were,
honestly, there were probably intotal five couples.
Elle (12:53):
Wow.
Tramp (12:55):
And.
Elle (12:57):
So it's an orgy,
Tramp (12:58):
I do believe that qualifies as an orgy and I'll
probably, we should cover thisin another episode.
Elle (13:03):
What is the definition of what constitutes,
Tramp (13:07):
But it was just one of those things and before I know
it, she's involved with one ofthe gentlemen and I'm involved
with one of the other ladies.
And again, We were just on thesame page, so it wasn't a
problem, but the way everythingjust flowed all of a sudden, and
everyone was in, and everyonewas sexy, and I think that is,
(13:30):
probably for those situations.
Being, at least attracted atsome level to everyone is really
important because you don't wantto
Elle (13:39):
forget.
There's those people who youinitially are not attracted to,
but their personalities shinethrough and they become sexier.
I find funny men very sexy.
You know, you never know.
Anyway, not to discount what youwere saying, of course,
Tramp (13:55):
of course, but all I'm getting at is.
Is when, you find yourself andyou just truly go with the flow,
as long as you and your partnerare both comfortable, of course,
it is just so erotic and so muchfun and yeah, and yeah, I'll,
(14:17):
cover that in much greaterdetail, but I just, through,
your talk and with your laststory, I, I thought.
I just remembered that.
I have another I can throw inthere.
I'm sure
Elle (14:26):
we have more, but
Tramp (14:30):
no, those, those, those great.
Those were some very sexystories.
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So Elle.
Yes.
Let's just do it.
Briefly touch on, I think we'vealready done it, but kind of the
unapologetic honesty segmentkind of wrap up your thoughts
with the organic play typesituations.
Elle (16:12):
So I think that it's important to be open to them and
not everything going organicallyis going to be how everybody
lines up.
So.
I don't, I don't want everanybody to think that they have
to just go with the flow everytime.
Again, it's your judgment.
It's how you're feeling thatnight.
It's the connection you havewith your partner and, but to be
(16:36):
open to maybe meeting somebodynew or someone you knew before
that you hadn't quite looked atthat way and how is that feeling
going and what is the vibe andsometimes being okay with just
rolling with it.
Tramp (16:52):
I often liken it to kind of flying by the seat of your
pants.
Yes,
Elle (16:55):
sure.
Or no pants.
Tramp (16:56):
Or no pants as the case may be.
But realistically, you and yourpartner have to be on the same
page beforehand.
Correct.
It can't be Yeah,
Elle (17:07):
one can't be One can't be in and
Tramp (17:10):
then you're just trying to coattails necessarily.
Yeah, I know.
Elle (17:13):
Or one can't go, if they feel like they're going along
with it, then it's not right.
And you need to know and thatperson needs to speak up and
say, Hey, I know you're leaningin this direction.
I'm not feeling it tonight.
And in our case, it would bedoesn't matter why it could be
that night.
It could be that person.
It could be something thathappened earlier.
(17:35):
It doesn't matter if one of yousays.
No, I don't.
I don't think so.
Or gives you a look like, whatare you doing?
Tramp (17:44):
Yeah.
Then it should be a full stop orat least pause and say, Hey, we
need to talk about it.
Right.
There you go.
And that's perfectly fine.
Yeah.
Elle (17:50):
Go off to the corner and have a discussion.
No drama.
Yeah.
No one wants drama.
And you don't either, you know,so have those conversations if
there's not the right balancefor one of you.
Tramp (18:04):
Yep.
I agree there, but that's prettymuch my summation as well.
Elle (18:09):
Oh, sure.
Just copy me.
Of
Tramp (18:10):
course.
Elle (18:11):
Okay.
Tramp (18:14):
Well, we're also going to move on to our Ask Us Anything
segment, which unfortunately wehave not received any questions
via email.
Elle (2) (18:22):
What?
What?
What?
Elle (18:23):
I know you all have questions.
I know you do.
You ask me them in person.
Throw us a bone.
Yes.
Er.
Sorry.
I'm just full of it tonight.
Tramp (18:37):
So I dug into the depths of the internet this evening and
dabbled into Reddit, theswingers subreddit and here was
an interesting question that,caught my eye.
And this is just more of aquestion is sexual discoveries
that you've made through play,basically things that you may
(18:59):
not have considered before, butthey happened and afterwards you
were like, holy shit, that wasawesome.
And how, have I been missingthis for that long?
Elle (19:09):
You're going to go first.
Tramp (19:10):
I will go first.
So one of my discoveries is Ifound that.
My nipples are an incredibleerogenous zone for me.
And you have some people thatare, kissers or nibblers or
biters or pinchers or all thatstuff.
And, personally, I just foundthat it takes me a while to get
(19:33):
warmed up.
So it's, it's kind of a lighttouch and then, you know, you
can go pretty hard on them, butthat is just an incredible turn
on for me personally.
Elle (19:42):
Right.
Tramp (19:42):
Do
Elle (19:42):
you feel it like shoot down to your groin or is it just
sort of an all over body feel?
Cause I know a lot, a lot ofwomen and I'm just raising my
hand and I only have one that'sstill very sensitive, but I, it.
It, it shoots down.
Yes.
And I, and it connectseverything.
Tramp (20:00):
Yes.
I would say the same for me.
Elle (20:02):
Okay.
Good to know.
Tramp (20:05):
I actually have a second one.
Elle (20:09):
Oh yeah.
Tramp (20:10):
I'm a big guy.
So I'm tall.
Elle (20:13):
You're tall and lean.
You're not big, but you are verytall.
Well, I'm, well, thank you.
But
Tramp (20:20):
I've been told I'm imposing.
Elle (20:21):
Okay.
Okay.
Tramp (20:25):
You don't agree?
I don't see it,
Elle (20:26):
but I also know you very well.
I mean, it's taken us a while toget to this point where we're so
close.
But I know Jay has been toldhe's imposing too.
Right.
Because you guys are about thesame height.
And it's just, it's probablymore of a height thing.
A height and build thing.
Yeah.
Tramp (20:42):
But what I've found, honestly, is since that is my
default mode, I get reallyturned on when a woman just kind
of takes charge a little bit.
Elle (20:52):
Oh, sure.
The assertiveness.
Tramp (20:54):
Yeah, that assertiveness is really sexy and attractive to
me.
Almost as attractive as,confidence.
I think a confidence on a womanis incredibly sexy that they
know themselves well enough andare confident in their abilities
that they're not holding itback.
I personally just find thatincredibly sexy.
Elle (21:13):
I do too.
Just so you know, in a woman,yeah I think anyone who can walk
around and carry themselves andemit light.
And love is super sexy, youknow,
Tramp (21:31):
slightly off topic, but have you ever come across
someone that almost exude sexualenergy?
Yes.
And it's just like you canalmost feel it coming off of
them.
Right.
Elle (21:43):
It's just dripping off of them.
It's just
Tramp (21:44):
almost dripping off of them.
And almost you say, I better notget too close because I will
just be pulled right into that.
And I won't be able to say no.
Elle (21:53):
We have wonderful friends that we met early on.
And she is now stationed in anembassy across the seas.
And.
That woman, you can see in thepictures, she's dripping
sexuality.
And, for me, I have to beattracted to a woman, I have to
(22:16):
have a connection.
You know, I am not one of thosewomen who can walk in a place
and go, Okay, where is thepussy?
That's, not me, and that's otherpeople, and I have no problem
with that.
I will be their winged womananytime.
But for me, with her, Ooh, she'sjust my soul.
Like we connected really, reallywell and it's hot and she's
(22:42):
gorgeous and she's smart andshe's a baking fool and, and
it's just, it's really fun towatch her.
Yeah.
Tramp (22:52):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Elle (22:55):
Yeah.
Women who just got it.
Tramp (22:57):
Yep.
Yeah, exactly.
And I'm sure there are men thatjust got it as well,
Elle (23:01):
right?
Those that are comfortable withthemselves, that, will touch you
before things, and not beintrusive and you feel that
you're a better person, justbecause they're around and
they're sending that energy.
I'm a big energy person and youget someone who you can connect
(23:21):
with like that and it's, reallyfun.
Tramp (23:24):
Yes.
Yeah, I agree.
I've, I've been lucky enough to,come into orbits of those type
of people several times and it'salways, it's always a fun time.
Elle (23:33):
Yeah.
You leave just with kind of asmile on your face.
Yep.
That was good.
Tramp (23:37):
And usually just exhausted if it's done right.
Yes.
If it's done
Elle (23:41):
well for me I think one of the biggest surprises As we've
been going through this journey,and as Jay and I dated, and he
opened me up to something, andfor me And again, I out myself,
but it's anal sex.
(24:02):
And most people, you either loveit or you don't.
And I know there's a struggleand there's a trick to it.
And we definitely utilize thecheat of the poppers, the amyl
nitrate, which has been veryprominent in the gay community
for probably decades.
And just a little inhalation ofit opens up the soft tissue.
(24:25):
And it'll open up the softtissue in your mouth, if there's
a very large penis coming yourway.
It opens up your pussy, again,for the same reason.
And it opens up the anus for amore smoother entry.
Okay.
And once it's inside you, youreally don't realize how many
(24:50):
sensations are going on becausepart of it is pushing on your
uterus and your vulva.
And therefore into yourclitoris, and you get more
sensation.
So, I definitely still utilizemy little click sucker, my
WeMelt for that sensation.
(25:10):
But, after a couple of thepopper inhalations, Jay has no
problem sliding in.
And I have to be honest, therehave been occasion where as he
is just entering me I comeexplosively and so I think that
was a big surprise for me justto realize that, oh my gosh,
(25:32):
this is really, truly anerogenous zone if done properly.
If warmed up, if loosened up, ifsomebody is kind and gentle and
listens to your words and thatwas probably one of the biggest
surprises for me.
Right.
Tramp (25:47):
So you would say you're a fan.
Elle (25:49):
I am a fan.
Yes.
Yes.
Not with everybody, just so youknow, but it's, definitely
something that if I'm feelingcomfortable with somebody and
we've got a good connection thatit might possibly be an option.
Tramp (26:04):
Sure.
But it's something that you didnot ever, ever think is like,
that was just a no go zone.
Exactly.
And through your own uniqueexperiences and lifestyle,
you're like, well, you know, inthe right circumstances, it is a
lot of fun.
Elle (26:20):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Tramp (26:23):
Thank you for sharing.
Elle (26:24):
You're welcome.
Tramp (26:28):
Well, everyone, thank you so much for just continuing to
come on this journey with us andwe couldn't do it without you
guys.
It's, fun looking at the, backend stuff and seeing that it's
not only just.
local people or people even fromthe United States that listen,
you know, listeners from themetric show, listeners from
(26:52):
really all around the world,which is so cool.
I know it is really cool.
I'm not going to say any, Littletiny islands anywhere where that
always seemed to pop up, butit's, some very obscure places.
So thank you.
We know you're listening guys.
So please send us an email.
Even if it's just to say hi, wewould love it.
Elle (27:10):
Yeah.
Say hi.
We listened to you.
My gosh, that would totally makeour day.
Tramp (27:15):
And if you have a question, even better that
you're willing for us to readand respond to, but we can be
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All of our information can alsobe found on the website, which
is also unapologetic swingers.
com.
And the next episode is kind ofto be determined.
Elle (27:37):
Yeah, we have a couple of different options.
We just need to connect withsome people because we've got
some really wonderful,interesting guests that we want
to add to our podcast list.
And we're really excited to haveeverybody on.
Tramp (27:52):
Yes, that's going to be, I've seen the list that producer
Jay has put together and he's
Elle (27:57):
definitely taken his role
Tramp (27:59):
and yeah, they're, they're going to be some
phenomenal ones in there.
And also guys, wherever youhappen to be listening to us\
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Hopefully all the nice things.
If you have a gripe, pleaseemail it to us.
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But guys again, thank you somuch from the bottom of my heart
(28:22):
and mine and else but This isthis truly is a labor of love,
but it's so much fun
Elle (28:29):
Yeah, we really are enjoying being a part of it too.
Tramp (28:32):
Thank you so much.
Thank
Elle (28:33):
you.
Until next time, I'm Elle.
And
Tramp (28:37):
I'm the Tramp.
Elle (28:38):
Be sexy.
Tramp (28:39):
Be confident.
Elle (28:40):
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to unapologetic swingers.
I'm Elle.
Tramp (00:09):
And I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we are so thankfulthat you're back with us for
another episode.
And my cohost Elle here, who hasdefinitely become a cornerstone
of the new podcast
Elle (00:22):
I'm really enjoying this.
It is very fun.
Yeah.
Once you get past that weirdawkwardness, which tends to
linger with me sometimes,
Tramp (00:30):
I think it lingers for all of us at some point or
another.
Elle (00:33):
Thank God.
Tramp (00:35):
The whole point of this podcast is really to, express
our, victories and defeats inthe lifestyle through our
various, very uniqueexperiences.
And it's not always good, butit's not always bad either.
And throughout the journey, wejust really learn a lot about
ourselves.
Elle (00:55):
Oh, for sure.
And, it feeds over into ourvanilla life too.
So I find that I'm a betterperson, more understanding, more
accepting after being in thelifestyle for a while.
Tramp (01:08):
Right.
And I have to say, I thinkprobably my lifestyle friends
are some of my absolute bestfriends in this world.
100%.
Well, guys, this is going to beepisode number 15 and it is the
joys of organic play.
Elle (01:24):
That's not orgasmic play.
It's organic.
Tramp (01:27):
Yes.
And what we're referring to hereare instances where maybe you
were at a house party or theclub and Maybe you just find
yourself in that perfectsituation, you weren't even
prepared to play or findyourself in that scenario, but
all of a sudden, the stars alignand Everything just feels right
(01:50):
it's just this organic flow thatyou get into and sometimes those
experiences are quite honestlysome of the most memorable and
the best.
Elle (02:01):
Agreed, agreed.
Tramp (02:03):
So Elle's gonna start off first with her unapologetic
story and then I'll jump in withmine.
Elle (02:08):
Okay, so Jay and I had these people that we had met at
the ranch, and we'd gotten toknow them, super sexy, she's
just, she's so beautiful, he'svery handsome, but we couldn't
quite get a feel for them, andat one point, I think, we had
sent them something on Cassidy,they looked at our profile, and
(02:29):
they came back with, oh, ourplace styles are just too
different, and, We might have afew racy pictures on there, so
we kind of went, hmm, okay,well, whatever.
And it wasn't until months laterwhen we were really talking with
them one night, and they said,oh, no, no, we only play with
(02:50):
each other.
They have kids at home, and thefirst thing they do, When they
get to the ranch, they godownstairs and they play because
they don't get that time.
And then come up and they lovebeing around the sexy people and
the fun things and they reallyliked us.
We're like, oh, okay.
So later on, Jay and I weregoing downstairs and this couple
was in one of the first cabanaswith the door open and she's
(03:12):
riding him and it's super sexyand she calls us over.
And we looked at each otherlike, huh?
And, Jay came over and put hishand on her back.
He's like, what can we, what canwe do for you?
How can we help?
And she's like, Oh no, no, no,we're not.
We don't want to play with you,but could you guys do something?
(03:33):
So that is
Tramp (03:35):
such an open,
Elle (03:36):
right?
What, what else is a girl to do?
I got on my knees and I tookJay's cock in my mouth and
started sucking on him, whichwithin, Oh, 30 seconds.
She was coming so hard and sostrong, and we basically, I
stood up, and we looked at themand said, Enjoy, and we bowed
(03:58):
out gracefully, but it was sofun, and it is very memorable to
us, because we weren't part ofthe play, but we were.
And we were the sexy turn onthat put her over the edge kind
of a thing.
And, and we were super happy todo that.
Tramp (04:14):
Right.
So it sounds like she isextremely visual, most likely.
There you go.
And so you guys were a fantasticaccessory.
Elle (04:24):
I like being an accessory.
I can do that.
Tramp (04:26):
And in their style of play where they almost sounded
like they were parallel playonly or, or.
More exhibitionist almost.
Elle (04:36):
I think so.
Or in just wanted to seesomebody else doing something
sexy.
Tramp (04:43):
And that was her thing.
Yeah.
Elle (04:45):
We were so happy.
We were so happy to be that forthem.
Tramp (04:49):
Well that's awesome.
So mine also happened at theranch.
And this would have been at thispoint several years ago.
And my partner and I were.
It was a normal Saturday eveningat the ranch and, and just like
most clubs, the Friday andSaturday evening crowd is going
(05:10):
to be a lot more out of townersor people that come for the
first time.
It is true.
It's because it's particularlywith Saturday.
It's the most popular night,definitely the busiest, and you
do
Elle (05:25):
have somebody, if they're coming in from out of town, they
are DTF.
Yes,
Tramp (05:29):
they And so DTF would be
Elle (05:32):
down to fuck.
Tramp (05:34):
Yes.
Okay.
Elle (05:36):
Thank you for explaining the definition.
Tramp (05:41):
And as the evening wore on a lot of people migrate
downstairs, whether they'rewatchers or trying to secure a
corner or, or whatnot.
And so she and I had gonedownstairs just to check it out.
And.
As El had mentioned there,there's basically a row of rooms
(06:02):
or kind of cabanas that haveeither sheer curtains doubled up
with solid curtains.
So, traditionally you can leavethem wide open.
You can close just the sheercurtains or close the solid
curtains all the way if you wanta little bit more privacy.
And there was this really sexycouple in one of the rooms.
(06:24):
And we were just kind of sittingback and admiring them as they
just played with each other.
And then the female, I remembershe's a sexy little blonde, kind
of threw the Shears motion rightto us.
Okay, they
Elle (06:40):
can't see you move your hand like that just so you know.
He's making a come in heremotion with his hand.
Thank you, Al.
Tramp (06:49):
You mean they can't No, no,
Elle (06:52):
this is not a YouTube video.
Tramp (06:56):
And we look at each other.
It's like, surely they aren'tmotioning to us.
It must be.
So we look all around becausethere's a number of people down
there.
And then her hand actually comesthrough the shears and motions
us again.
So we're like, well, why don'twe go at least stick our heads
in?
We, you know, we don't have to.
(07:16):
We don't dedicate ourselves toanything or promise ourselves
and we go in and they're justlike, we saw you guys earlier
and found you guys superattractive and we'd love to play
with you guys.
And it was at that point in theevening we'd had, some good
drinks and just really feelingthat sexy vibe.
Elle (07:35):
Sexy vibe is the best.
Tramp (07:38):
We, quickly explained, we're a soft swap only couple at
this point.
And they're like, no problem.
We just want to touch and playwith you.
And it was, it was like, okay,let's go.
We already knew the boundariesand we could look at each other
and just say, yes, let's, let'sdo it.
And we had just a phenomenalplay session and.
(07:58):
It was just super sexy and, andthe girls had a chance to play a
little bit and it was reallysexy to watch them and, and
then, we broke off with theother partners and it was, a
fantastic time.
It truly was.
And that's really, through thisepisode, what we're talking
(08:19):
about when it's not a planneddate where.
Elle (08:22):
You go with the expectation you're going to
connect with some couple and
Tramp (08:25):
right and there's not a huge amount of communication in
advance, right?
Other than you and your partnerare already on the same page,
Elle (08:34):
right?
Right?
And then there's sort of thatmental connection of you're both
turned on.
You both are seeing what'shappening and you've both been
invited in and no one's goingyou or that it.
No, this doesn't seem like thisis something that we want.
They were very kind to say, welooked at you earlier, thought
(08:54):
you were sexy and that makes youfeel good.
It does.
Right?
Who doesn't want to feel wanted?
Yeah.
And so when someone acknowledgesit, it's even better.
So yeah, I think that's great.
Tramp (09:06):
Aren't compliments the
Elle (09:07):
best?
I love them.
I do like them very much.
I have one other story now thatyou mentioned it at the ranch
and.
It was the summer and actuallyit was my birthday.
We celebrated on Sunday Fundayand we got one of the outdoor
cabanas and some wonderfulfriends decorated it up for me
(09:28):
and we were having a great time.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it was, it was really,really nice.
I think the owner mentioned thatit was the best decorated.
He'd ever seen, but he mighttell that to everybody, you
know, anyway, I felt good and atone point I had gone downstairs.
I was looking for Jay and Justkind of checking it out See what
(09:51):
was happening and came acrosstwo very good friends on the
fourth square out in the openAnd they were playing and having
sex and when I walked upimmediately she said oh It's
Elle's birthday You need to fuckher.
And I'm like, okay.
Because I've played with itbefore and it was a good comfort
(10:12):
level and I knew that Jay wouldbe fine with it.
And he looked at his wife andsaid, we don't have the bag.
And she's like, I'll get it.
You guys get started.
Tramp (10:22):
Ah, the infamous playback.
Elle (10:24):
We should always have that.
Even if you're not planning onplaying, you should always have
it near, even if it's in thecar.
Because you don't know when theorganic things will happen.
So, we were playing and havingfun, then she came back and she
joined in, and a little whilelater, Jay came up and he had
been playing with a lesbianfriend who had mentioned that
(10:48):
occasionally She likes a dickand he was happy to oblige and
let her have that.
I thought it was great, but shewas definitely super excited to
give me a little birthday boostand the whole thing just was not
expected.
It was not planned and those aresome of my favorite, favorite
(11:12):
times.
Again, we've talked about it.
Sexpectations don't have them gointo something.
And every time we go outwherever it is, let's just have
fun.
But if you've got thatcommunication ahead of time and
you can make those switches andthose changes when it's
warranted, it's, and again,people can't see my hand motion
(11:33):
that I'm doing, but it'sdelightful.
Tramp (11:35):
It is.
And like I said, sometimes thoseare the most memorable just
experiences that you can have.
Elle (11:44):
Agreed.
Tramp (11:45):
And actually I have one more.
I, I thought of two.
Elle (2) (11:49):
Good.
Good.
Tramp (11:49):
Good.
And this would have happened.
This was also a couple of yearsago, but at this point we were a
full swap
couple.
And we were invited to a really beautiful house and it
was a summertime pool party andit was, very private and
(12:10):
everything.
And I don't think it wasdesigned to necessarily be a
play party, just more of a, of asexy
Elle (12:18):
get together, get,
Tramp (12:19):
get together
Elle (12:20):
fun parties too.
But
Tramp (12:22):
As the day, war on and of course, summertime pools, the
drinks are going to flow.
Elle (12:28):
Clothes come off.
Tramp (12:28):
And yeah.
Clothes start to come off.
Yes.
Yes.
And the sun is setting andthere's just this tension in the
air.
And I forget what just trippedit off, but there were,
honestly, there were probably intotal five couples.
Elle (12:53):
Wow.
Tramp (12:55):
And.
Elle (12:57):
So it's an orgy,
Tramp (12:58):
I do believe that qualifies as an orgy and I'll
probably, we should cover thisin another episode.
Elle (13:03):
What is the definition of what constitutes,
Tramp (13:07):
But it was just one of those things and before I know
it, she's involved with one ofthe gentlemen and I'm involved
with one of the other ladies.
And again, We were just on thesame page, so it wasn't a
problem, but the way everythingjust flowed all of a sudden, and
everyone was in, and everyonewas sexy, and I think that is,
(13:30):
probably for those situations.
Being, at least attracted atsome level to everyone is really
important because you don't wantto
Elle (13:39):
forget.
There's those people who youinitially are not attracted to,
but their personalities shinethrough and they become sexier.
I find funny men very sexy.
You know, you never know.
Anyway, not to discount what youwere saying, of course,
Tramp (13:55):
of course, but all I'm getting at is.
Is when, you find yourself andyou just truly go with the flow,
as long as you and your partnerare both comfortable, of course,
it is just so erotic and so muchfun and yeah, and yeah, I'll,
(14:17):
cover that in much greaterdetail, but I just, through,
your talk and with your laststory, I, I thought.
I just remembered that.
I have another I can throw inthere.
I'm sure
Elle (14:26):
we have more, but
Tramp (14:30):
no, those, those, those great.
Those were some very sexystories.
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So Elle.
Yes.
Let's just do it.
Briefly touch on, I think we'vealready done it, but kind of the
unapologetic honesty segmentkind of wrap up your thoughts
with the organic play typesituations.
Elle (16:12):
So I think that it's important to be open to them and
not everything going organicallyis going to be how everybody
lines up.
So.
I don't, I don't want everanybody to think that they have
to just go with the flow everytime.
Again, it's your judgment.
It's how you're feeling thatnight.
It's the connection you havewith your partner and, but to be
(16:36):
open to maybe meeting somebodynew or someone you knew before
that you hadn't quite looked atthat way and how is that feeling
going and what is the vibe andsometimes being okay with just
rolling with it.
Tramp (16:52):
I often liken it to kind of flying by the seat of your
pants.
Yes,
Elle (16:55):
sure.
Or no pants.
Tramp (16:56):
Or no pants as the case may be.
But realistically, you and yourpartner have to be on the same
page beforehand.
Correct.
It can't be Yeah,
Elle (17:07):
one can't be One can't be in and
Tramp (17:10):
then you're just trying to coattails necessarily.
Yeah, I know.
Elle (17:13):
Or one can't go, if they feel like they're going along
with it, then it's not right.
And you need to know and thatperson needs to speak up and
say, Hey, I know you're leaningin this direction.
I'm not feeling it tonight.
And in our case, it would bedoesn't matter why it could be
that night.
It could be that person.
It could be something thathappened earlier.
(17:35):
It doesn't matter if one of yousays.
No, I don't.
I don't think so.
Or gives you a look like, whatare you doing?
Tramp (17:44):
Yeah.
Then it should be a full stop orat least pause and say, Hey, we
need to talk about it.
Right.
There you go.
And that's perfectly fine.
Yeah.
Elle (17:50):
Go off to the corner and have a discussion.
No drama.
Yeah.
No one wants drama.
And you don't either, you know,so have those conversations if
there's not the right balancefor one of you.
Tramp (18:04):
Yep.
I agree there, but that's prettymuch my summation as well.
Elle (18:09):
Oh, sure.
Just copy me.
Of
Tramp (18:10):
course.
Elle (18:11):
Okay.
Tramp (18:14):
Well, we're also going to move on to our Ask Us Anything
segment, which unfortunately wehave not received any questions
via email.
Elle (2) (18:22):
What?
What?
What?
Elle (18:23):
I know you all have questions.
I know you do.
You ask me them in person.
Throw us a bone.
Yes.
Er.
Sorry.
I'm just full of it tonight.
Tramp (18:37):
So I dug into the depths of the internet this evening and
dabbled into Reddit, theswingers subreddit and here was
an interesting question that,caught my eye.
And this is just more of aquestion is sexual discoveries
that you've made through play,basically things that you may
(18:59):
not have considered before, butthey happened and afterwards you
were like, holy shit, that wasawesome.
And how, have I been missingthis for that long?
Elle (19:09):
You're going to go first.
Tramp (19:10):
I will go first.
So one of my discoveries is Ifound that.
My nipples are an incredibleerogenous zone for me.
And you have some people thatare, kissers or nibblers or
biters or pinchers or all thatstuff.
And, personally, I just foundthat it takes me a while to get
(19:33):
warmed up.
So it's, it's kind of a lighttouch and then, you know, you
can go pretty hard on them, butthat is just an incredible turn
on for me personally.
Elle (19:42):
Right.
Tramp (19:42):
Do
Elle (19:42):
you feel it like shoot down to your groin or is it just
sort of an all over body feel?
Cause I know a lot, a lot ofwomen and I'm just raising my
hand and I only have one that'sstill very sensitive, but I, it.
It, it shoots down.
Yes.
And I, and it connectseverything.
Tramp (20:00):
Yes.
I would say the same for me.
Elle (20:02):
Okay.
Good to know.
Tramp (20:05):
I actually have a second one.
Elle (20:09):
Oh yeah.
Tramp (20:10):
I'm a big guy.
So I'm tall.
Elle (20:13):
You're tall and lean.
You're not big, but you are verytall.
Well, I'm, well, thank you.
But
Tramp (20:20):
I've been told I'm imposing.
Elle (20:21):
Okay.
Okay.
Tramp (20:25):
You don't agree?
I don't see it,
Elle (20:26):
but I also know you very well.
I mean, it's taken us a while toget to this point where we're so
close.
But I know Jay has been toldhe's imposing too.
Right.
Because you guys are about thesame height.
And it's just, it's probablymore of a height thing.
A height and build thing.
Yeah.
Tramp (20:42):
But what I've found, honestly, is since that is my
default mode, I get reallyturned on when a woman just kind
of takes charge a little bit.
Elle (20:52):
Oh, sure.
The assertiveness.
Tramp (20:54):
Yeah, that assertiveness is really sexy and attractive to
me.
Almost as attractive as,confidence.
I think a confidence on a womanis incredibly sexy that they
know themselves well enough andare confident in their abilities
that they're not holding itback.
I personally just find thatincredibly sexy.
Elle (21:13):
I do too.
Just so you know, in a woman,yeah I think anyone who can walk
around and carry themselves andemit light.
And love is super sexy, youknow,
Tramp (21:31):
slightly off topic, but have you ever come across
someone that almost exude sexualenergy?
Yes.
And it's just like you canalmost feel it coming off of
them.
Right.
Elle (21:43):
It's just dripping off of them.
It's just
Tramp (21:44):
almost dripping off of them.
And almost you say, I better notget too close because I will
just be pulled right into that.
And I won't be able to say no.
Elle (21:53):
We have wonderful friends that we met early on.
And she is now stationed in anembassy across the seas.
And.
That woman, you can see in thepictures, she's dripping
sexuality.
And, for me, I have to beattracted to a woman, I have to
(22:16):
have a connection.
You know, I am not one of thosewomen who can walk in a place
and go, Okay, where is thepussy?
That's, not me, and that's otherpeople, and I have no problem
with that.
I will be their winged womananytime.
But for me, with her, Ooh, she'sjust my soul.
Like we connected really, reallywell and it's hot and she's
(22:42):
gorgeous and she's smart andshe's a baking fool and, and
it's just, it's really fun towatch her.
Yeah.
Tramp (22:52):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Elle (22:55):
Yeah.
Women who just got it.
Tramp (22:57):
Yep.
Yeah, exactly.
And I'm sure there are men thatjust got it as well,
Elle (23:01):
right?
Those that are comfortable withthemselves, that, will touch you
before things, and not beintrusive and you feel that
you're a better person, justbecause they're around and
they're sending that energy.
I'm a big energy person and youget someone who you can connect
(23:21):
with like that and it's, reallyfun.
Tramp (23:24):
Yes.
Yeah, I agree.
I've, I've been lucky enough to,come into orbits of those type
of people several times and it'salways, it's always a fun time.
Elle (23:33):
Yeah.
You leave just with kind of asmile on your face.
Yep.
That was good.
Tramp (23:37):
And usually just exhausted if it's done right.
Yes.
If it's done
Elle (23:41):
well for me I think one of the biggest surprises As we've
been going through this journey,and as Jay and I dated, and he
opened me up to something, andfor me And again, I out myself,
but it's anal sex.
(24:02):
And most people, you either loveit or you don't.
And I know there's a struggleand there's a trick to it.
And we definitely utilize thecheat of the poppers, the amyl
nitrate, which has been veryprominent in the gay community
for probably decades.
And just a little inhalation ofit opens up the soft tissue.
(24:25):
And it'll open up the softtissue in your mouth, if there's
a very large penis coming yourway.
It opens up your pussy, again,for the same reason.
And it opens up the anus for amore smoother entry.
Okay.
And once it's inside you, youreally don't realize how many
(24:50):
sensations are going on becausepart of it is pushing on your
uterus and your vulva.
And therefore into yourclitoris, and you get more
sensation.
So, I definitely still utilizemy little click sucker, my
WeMelt for that sensation.
(25:10):
But, after a couple of thepopper inhalations, Jay has no
problem sliding in.
And I have to be honest, therehave been occasion where as he
is just entering me I comeexplosively and so I think that
was a big surprise for me justto realize that, oh my gosh,
(25:32):
this is really, truly anerogenous zone if done properly.
If warmed up, if loosened up, ifsomebody is kind and gentle and
listens to your words and thatwas probably one of the biggest
surprises for me.
Right.
Tramp (25:47):
So you would say you're a fan.
Elle (25:49):
I am a fan.
Yes.
Yes.
Not with everybody, just so youknow, but it's, definitely
something that if I'm feelingcomfortable with somebody and
we've got a good connection thatit might possibly be an option.
Tramp (26:04):
Sure.
But it's something that you didnot ever, ever think is like,
that was just a no go zone.
Exactly.
And through your own uniqueexperiences and lifestyle,
you're like, well, you know, inthe right circumstances, it is a
lot of fun.
Elle (26:20):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Tramp (26:23):
Thank you for sharing.
Elle (26:24):
You're welcome.
Tramp (26:28):
Well, everyone, thank you so much for just continuing to
come on this journey with us andwe couldn't do it without you
guys.
It's, fun looking at the, backend stuff and seeing that it's
not only just.
local people or people even fromthe United States that listen,
you know, listeners from themetric show, listeners from
(26:52):
really all around the world,which is so cool.
I know it is really cool.
I'm not going to say any, Littletiny islands anywhere where that
always seemed to pop up, butit's, some very obscure places.
So thank you.
We know you're listening guys.
So please send us an email.
Even if it's just to say hi, wewould love it.
Elle (27:10):
Yeah.
Say hi.
We listened to you.
My gosh, that would totally makeour day.
Tramp (27:15):
And if you have a question, even better that
you're willing for us to readand respond to, but we can be
reached at unapologetic swingersat gmail.
com.
All of our information can alsobe found on the website, which
is also unapologetic swingers.
com.
And the next episode is kind ofto be determined.
Elle (27:37):
Yeah, we have a couple of different options.
We just need to connect withsome people because we've got
some really wonderful,interesting guests that we want
to add to our podcast list.
And we're really excited to haveeverybody on.
Tramp (27:52):
Yes, that's going to be, I've seen the list that producer
Jay has put together and he's
Elle (27:57):
definitely taken his role
Tramp (27:59):
and yeah, they're, they're going to be some
phenomenal ones in there.
And also guys, wherever youhappen to be listening to us\
the number one thing that youcan do to help is just leave us
a quick review.
Hopefully all the nice things.
If you have a gripe, pleaseemail it to us.
Yeah, please email it to us.
But guys again, thank you somuch from the bottom of my heart
(28:22):
and mine and else but This isthis truly is a labor of love,
but it's so much fun
Elle (28:29):
Yeah, we really are enjoying being a part of it too.
Tramp (28:32):
Thank you so much.
Thank
Elle (28:33):
you.
Until next time, I'm Elle.
And
Tramp (28:37):
I'm the Tramp.
Elle (28:38):
Be sexy.
Tramp (28:39):
Be confident.
Elle (28:40):
Be unapologetic.
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