April 20, 2025 • 38 mins
The Tramp and Elle talk Orgies! Our own experiences and pro tips. You won't want to miss this one.
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Elle (00:05):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm L
Tramp (00:08):
and I'm the Tramp.
Guys, wE're just so thankfulyou've chosen to join us again,
and just a little bit about thepodcast.
This is just.
Our stories and adventures andthings that we have experienced
throughout our own uniquelifestyle journey.
Elle (00:25):
Couple of friends getting together and chatting about
their experiences.
Tramp (00:30):
Sometimes they're parallels.
Sometimes it's not so much.
But anyway, I'm so thankful tohave Elle back with me once
again.
Elle (00:39):
Very happy to be here.
It's been a couple of weeks andit has been kind of missed it.
Tramp (00:43):
It's amazing how it becomes part of your routine
almost.
And when it's not there, youfeel like something's missing.
Elle (00:50):
I know.
I mean, the podcast with Dr.
John was great, but I was sadnot to be a part of it.
I'll be Okay.
Well next time.
Yeah.
Right.
Tramp (01:01):
So everyone, today we are talking orgies.
Elle (01:05):
Ooh, orgies.
Tramp (01:07):
So an entire episode just dedicated to that.
And.
Why don't we just jump right inl with some unapologetic stories
and we'll go from there.
Elle (01:17):
For sure, for sure.
As we were talking with eachother about topics to talk about
on the show, this one keptcoming up and we had a lot of
questions.
At first, it was whatconstitutes an orgy?
Tramp (01:31):
Yeah.
How many people, how manycouples?
Right.
Elle (01:33):
And according to the worldwide web, it's.
Anything, five or more people ina group.
Tramp (01:39):
Okay,
Elle (01:40):
so makes sense.
Two couples be a foursome, threepeople would be a threesome.
You hit five and you hit thatorgy.
So it could be five, it could be10, it could be a crazy number.
And Jay and I have had over thelast five years have had a few
experiences with.
Some orgy situations.
The first one that came to mindwas early on in our.
(02:05):
Lifestyle adventures.
We had been talking with anothercouple and had met with them
once.
This was kind of towards the endof Covid and we were invited to
their house which we knewstraight up was gonna be an
orgy.
And it was, it was very fun.
The anticipation was incredible.
Tramp (02:26):
I was gonna say, did the hostess open the door and just
simply say, welcome to the orgy.
Elle (02:30):
I don't know.
'cause she opened the door inlingerie and it was sexy as
fuck.
And so we just sort of jumped,you know, came in, But they had
really set up their living roomarea with a number of inflatable
beds and mattresses even so muchas having a full-blown unicorn
(02:51):
pool.
Floaty.
Like a floaty.
Yeah.
Big floaty, you know, that youwould put your entire body into
Yeah.
And, and that was there just forfun and, and toys everywhere.
And so you just kind of walkedaround knowing that it was going
to be an interesting evening,
Tramp (03:08):
sounds it?
Elle (03:09):
Yes.
And I wanna say, I think it wasabout nine people total.
And we knew.
Most of them.
There was one couple that camelater that we didn't know, but
we already had some familiaritywith everybody, which I think
sometimes makes it a little bitmore comfortable.
Mm-hmm.
To start with, and granted thiswas five years ago, but I just
(03:34):
remember there was an immenseamount of playing on, the
individual.
Surfaces and just moving fromone bed to another, and as one
situation kind of finished offand turning and looking and
watching a number of otherpeople playing around, and the
(03:55):
intertwining of the arms and thelegs and the body parts, and I
think the end sort of culminatedon a mattress on the floor where
I believe all of us were, and insome shape or form.
Working our way around eachother.
Right.
Yeah.
Tramp (04:14):
It's fun.
At least in my experience, whenthose situations, they just
flow.
Obviously there needs to be.
I guess group attraction or youhave to be attracted, mm-hmm.
Attracted enough to yes, toeveryone in the group where
you're willing to play andobviously not take one for the
team or whatnot.
(04:34):
Well,
Elle (04:35):
and that is an interesting question that I've heard
somebody else bring up before,is if you're in that kind of an
orgy situation and you don'tfind somebody attractive, are
you obligated to play with them?
Tramp (04:46):
Realistically, I would say no.
Elle (04:49):
I mean, you're always able, should always be able to
give consent or not consent.
Correct.
But what is the proper etiquettefor letting someone know it's so
awkward?
Tramp (05:02):
It would be awkward, and I would probably say it would
start with a nonverbal.
Elle (05:07):
Yeah.
Tramp (05:08):
Where, if someone tries to pull you in and, and you
resist, I mean, most people aregonna be like, okay, I.
No harm, no foul.
Elle (05:15):
I think a polite, no thank you.
Is in order.
Sure.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:21):
And that's something just more broadly speaking, the
lifestyle as I've experiencedit, is you have to be able to
handle rejection.
Right.
And not take it personally.
Exactly.
'cause sometimes
Elle (05:31):
it could be someone has facial hair or they don't have
facial hair or
Tramp (05:37):
too much hair, huh?
Elle (05:38):
Yeah.
Yes, there are those.
But you never know.
But I think, yeah, if there'ssomething we've definitely
learned over the years is not totake that rejection as a
personal affront.
Right.
Tramp (05:52):
But it can be very difficult early on.
Elle (05:55):
Yeah.
Tramp (05:56):
Where I don't think.
It could be something even, evenfrom our own childhood,
depending on how dotting yourparents were and Yeah.
Being told no.
Elle (06:04):
Right.
I don't want to hear that.
It's like, what
Tramp (06:06):
is that word?
I, I don't understand that word.
Especially when you're
Elle (06:09):
really horny and somebody turns you on to get a No thank
you.
But I think the important thingis to not internalize it and to
the beauty of being in a groupsituation like that is that you
turn and you find somebody whois interested in you.
Mm-hmm.
You know.
Very
Tramp (06:27):
true.
Elle (06:29):
So, I dunno, that's just my thoughts.
Tramp (06:32):
No, but that sounds like fun.
Just everybody ending up on thesame mattress and
Elle (06:37):
Yeah, we have, we have some photos of it.
I should have pulled them upbefore we started doing this,
but I have some in my head.
I'm pointing to my head.
But of what it was like, andjust the different scenarios.
I think there was one momentthat our wonderful hostess was
(06:58):
sitting on top of a gentleman onhis cock facing out from the
sofa.
So he's sitting on the sofa andshe's fi facing out.
Mm-hmm.
And, he's just slowly going inand out and I was feeling so
good and the endorphins wereflowing so well.
I just sort of crawled up tothem and started licking her
(07:21):
clits.
Oh, wow.
As they were fucking and.
We definitely have pictures ofthat.
It was so hot and it's like youcould just hear everybody sort
of stopped around us and that'swhat they call the show stopper.
Yes, yes.
And just started watching asthis happened and yeah, that
was, that was pretty awesome.
(07:41):
You know, I think you findyourself maybe in situations
that you never even dreamed youwould be in.
Tramp (07:47):
I would have to say you're 100% correct there.
Elle (07:51):
Yeah.
Tramp (07:52):
So the one that comes to mind the first time that we were
in an orgy was we have mentionedthese couples before and it's
the two Vegas couples.
Mm-hmm.
And it was our second trip toVegas and a lot more prepared
this time.
Right.
We were still so a soft swapcouple.
(08:12):
Mm-hmm.
And we had some drinks withthese guys, had a good time and
then all six of us.
So it was three couples, all inall.
And yeah, the men were handsome.
The, women were drop deadgorgeous.
Elle (08:26):
Oh, must have been a really sexy scene.
It,
Tramp (08:29):
it was, and I had enough foresight to bring the lighting
kit.
So whenever I travel, I like totake, LED candles.
Oh, yes.
Or little battery poweredcandles, atmosphere.
You get'em on on Amazon.
Yeah.
This is strictly atmosphere.
Yeah.
As well as these LED floodlights that you can put in
corners and change the color.
So of course red go figure.
(08:50):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And, of course you have music,so it's just set up in a sexy
scene.
We hit the room and, we werestill soft swap at the time.
The, the two other couples werefull swap.
Elle (08:59):
That's interesting.
I'm interested to hear how thispans out.
So
Tramp (09:04):
Well, everything was respectful.
Everything was above board.
There weren't any pushing aboundaries.
Mm-hmm.
But the three women just startedwith each other and the guys
were just.
Watching.
Just watching.
Like, I, I realize how creepythat sounds, but when, but when
it's
Elle (09:21):
your loved ones like that.
It's not, it's sexy.
Oh, it's so, it was so
Tramp (09:24):
sexy.
Yeah.
And just watching them play fora little bit and interact and,
the sounds and the sight andeverything.
And it's funny, the guys are,we're so quiet'cause we don't
want to break the spell
Elle (09:38):
Right, for sure.
Tramp (09:39):
And.
Then the, girls were like, well,maybe we should invite the guys
in.
And yeah, our room had a, had abig old king size bed and, we
all climbed up on there it wasso much fun because from my
perspective, just the flow ofeverything and how you would
switch off and us being a softswap it was so much fun.
And the grand finale, at leastfor me was with my previous
(10:07):
partner writing me while.
One of the other girls waswriting my face.
Oh.
And
then the two girls were making out while, so it was,
yeah, that's always a
hot one.
It was amazing from what I could see and, but from
definitely what I heard washeard.
Yes, it was yeah, it wasincredible is the best way I can
(10:28):
put it.
Elle (10:29):
So I'm thinking about this in my head.
You've got two other couples andthey are full swap and you two
are soft swaps.
So.
What you're able to do with theother ladies and your partner.
Well, partner, of course you cango full on.
Yes.
But with the other two is justoral and kissing and touching
and all that, just nopenetration.
(10:49):
Correct.
Correct.
Right.
So when you are just so workedup that you have to, then you
had her.
Mm-hmm.
And that reconnected you guysback together.
Right.
In that situation.
And I think there's nothingwrong with that.
Tramp (11:04):
Then the other memory that comes to mind is, and I
think I still have a picture ofthis, where after all is said
and done and you're looking outover the Vegas strip one of the
girls went and put her boobs upagainst the floor length
windows, and, just pressed.
And her husband took a pictureof her from behind.
(11:25):
The next morning as the sun isshining through.
I'm like, those are blueprintson the windows.
Elle (11:33):
Did you take a picture of that?
Tramp (11:35):
I did.
Elle (11:35):
Excellent.
'cause when are you, when elseare you gonna get that?
Right.
Right.
And I am pretty sure that thatis not the first time that the
cleaning staff has come acrossblueprints on their windows.
Tramp (11:46):
No, I'm sure not.
Elle (11:48):
Yes.
Is Vegas.
It
Tramp (11:49):
is Vegas.
Yeah.
Elle (11:51):
We had a interesting orgy situation once a couple years
ago.
There was a couple that comes infrom out of town I wanna say
South Dakota.
So they come from a little bitof ways, but they come to the
ranch fairly often.
Okay.
And they had set up for wasanother couple us, I think it
(12:12):
was three couples.
Okay.
We made notes here, threecouples, and then two single
men.
And this orgy was to take placeat 8:00 AM on a Saturday
morning.
Tramp (12:23):
Oh wow.
Elle (12:24):
Was it eight or maybe 10?
It might have been 10:00 AM
Tramp (12:26):
It's, well, the, I'm still stuck on the 8:00 AM part.
8:00 AM
Elle (12:29):
Right.
Never ever have I heard anyoneelse do this.
And so we were like, sure.
So we show up.
You're leaving the ranch early'cause you gotta get up early to
go to an orgy.
Right.
Is.
A whole other thought process.
And we've actually done thiswith this couple twice, and I
think they've done it a coupleother times we've heard from
other people, but you walk inand they had mimosas and
(12:52):
everyone's sitting around andjust talking.
I think for the most part, weall knew each other.
And one situation, we didn'tknow the other single guy.
And we may not have known thecouple, but you get to know
people really well right off.
And I think it's important tohave that time, especially
people don't know each other yetto talk, to socialize, to get to
know each other, to, to breakthe, ice a little bit and to
(13:16):
kind of warm up to, how thingsare going.
And we were.
Playing for hours and they hadtwo queen size beds and they
were leaving at 11 o'clock, soyou don't mind messing up the
beds.
Right.
And there's different numbersand playing and as being, three
women and five men.
Five men, I liked those odds.
(13:39):
I got plenty of places you canput stuff anyway.
And so yeah, it was sexy, it washot.
I'm alert.
I'm much better in the morninganyway.
Mm-hmm.
you don't have the hours ofpossible drinking and the
impossible impairment, so you'repretty fresh and everybody's
feeling really good.
And then we were done by noonand we went to, I think it was
(14:03):
five guys or something, had aburger and then came home and
then had this whole rest of theday to do stuff.
It was actually, I thought thatwas a pretty good idea.
Tramp (14:13):
That's interesting,
Elle (14:14):
right?
It
Tramp (14:15):
it is.
I I'm still a little stuck onthe AM thing just because we're,
so accustomed with, all theclubs are nighttime.
Yeah.
Unless it's a Sunday fun day,which is more of a social event.
Yeah.
But.
It's usually in the evening,even, even if you're meeting a
another couple.
Mm-hmm.
Just to, have a drink and see ifthere's test the water.
(14:36):
Actual attraction, it's stillgonna be in the evening,
Elle (14:39):
right?
Yeah.
It's not often.
I mean, sometimes you might do acoffee, we've met a single guy
for coffee before, like in themiddle of the workday or
something.
Mm-hmm.
But it's, it's unusual.
Yeah.
But the 10:00 AM start time was.
Definitely.
Tramp (14:53):
Now, would you say in that scenario you would prefer
it or it's just a nice change ofpace?
Elle (14:58):
You know, I'll tell you what, if I was gonna be in that
situation again, I would preferto maybe even meet for the
drinks and the snacks and thewarmup at like six, and then
start playing about seven andbeing done about nine.
I'm not a late night person.
(15:19):
And so for me, I'm gonna be alittle bit more alert and not,
possibly sitting in the cornerhalf snoozing.
If I could start a littleearlier, and I've heard that
from a lot of people, it's like,actually I really like the
parties that start on theearlier side, you know, as
opposed to, okay, we're gonnastart at nine and then about 11
we're gonna start playing.
And I'm like, I am going to beasleep.
(15:40):
Mm-hmm.
So can we maybe do somethingdifferent?
Yeah.
Tramp (15:45):
On a similar tilt, there are some clubs again in Vegas
where they don't allow play.
Right.
And they're, and honestlythey're the better clubs in
Vegas.
Right.
But they have, I think they openat eight or nine at night.
Yeah.
And then the playrooms open at11.
Elle (16:01):
Right.
Yeah.
We're going to Vegas in a coupleof weeks and I think we'll
probably hit some of the clubs.
Mm-hmm.
We're going for a, a wedding, alifestyle wedding with a couple
that we met from the uk.
They're flying out to meet withtheir US friends to Oh, that
sounds fantastic.
By Elvis.
And so I have a feeling there'llbe some club hitting, so that'll
(16:23):
be interesting to see.
Mm-hmm.
I guess I'll be taking a lot ofnaps in the afternoon.
Tramp (16:28):
Sounds perfect.
Elle (16:29):
Right.
You just gotta plan for it,that's all.
Yeah.
Tramp (16:33):
All right, and I think I am going to wrap up on my orgy
stories with, I had alluded tothis when, a previous episode
when we talked about organicplay uhhuh, and this was one of
those things where, again, it,it was a curated group.
(16:53):
Honestly, we were going therejust to hang out.
We, this, this couple had abeautiful house and.
Yeah, and it was semi-privateand a pool, and it was
summertime and it was just a,fantastic time.
But as happens, when you'reswimming and drinking and
socializing and eating, touchingand, yeah, it's, it's flirting.
(17:17):
The sexual tension just getsramped up.
And let me preface this.
This is.
I wanna say that there were atleast five or six couples.
Elle (17:26):
That's 10.
That's a lot to people.
So 10 to 12
Tramp (17:28):
people.
And again, I have to think, atleast from my perspective, there
was attraction all around.
Elle (17:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (17:36):
Which is great.
Elle (17:37):
Yeah.
I
Tramp (17:37):
mean, it's, hard enough getting a four-way connection.
Elle (17:40):
Right.
Tramp (17:40):
Versus I could have seen us at the time.
Potentially doing a double datewith any of the couples there.
Right.
Which was pretty, pretty awesometo be honest.
Elle (17:50):
This is fabulous Odds.
Yeah.
Tramp (17:52):
But just as I said in that episode, I think there was
that underlying sexual tensionyou know, in these situations,
oftentimes there's just a sparkor a fire starter.
Elle (18:03):
Oh, yes.
We've talked about the firestarter.
Tramp (18:05):
Yes.
So in this scenario there wasone gal who really liked her
champagne.
Sure.
And she even more so liked todip cocks and champagne and then
lick the champagne off, saidcock.
Elle (18:22):
Oh, well.
And who's gonna say no to that?
Tramp (18:25):
It is rather bracing when you first dip in the champagne
from a male perspective, let'sjust say.
Ah, good to know.
Elle (18:31):
Good to know.
Tramp (18:31):
Of course all the guys are like, yeah, I'll do it.
Line
up.
I'm mixed.
Yep.
Line up and of course all the girls, they're like, yeah,
let me try that Uhhuh.
And then it just, it evolvedfrom there and it was really
sexy and being able to.
Honestly to, to play withmultiple women in the same
session.
Yeah.
(18:51):
And how it flowed.
Yeah.
It was, I think I have to say that group play of that
nature is probably my favorite.
Elle (19:02):
Right.
There's something about you'refocusing on one person.
Someone else or someone else'sare touching you.
Mm-hmm.
In other parts, you don't evenknow who it is.
And you're, you have to just bein the moment.
You can't overthink it.
No.
You can't go, well wait, I'mgonna do this over here with
them and then go do this withthem as like, oh, okay, well I'm
(19:25):
gonna just move over here tothis person because that's
really fun.
And you know, you don't, you getcaught up in the moment like
that.
Yeah.
Tramp (19:33):
If, you see something.
Elle (19:35):
Play with it.
Yeah, play with it.
I've, got, well I've got severalothers, but I'm gonna just do
one other that I have that acouple years ago.
We were coming up on New Year'sEve and it's one of those big
nights at the ranch and one, one
Tramp (19:53):
of this that, along with Halloween, I would call the, the
lifestyle or the Swinger, highHolidays, if you will.
Elle (19:59):
I called them the High Holidays the other day too,
because it's like h Halloween's,the big one, the New Year's Eve.
And then Valentine's Day isreally big and every time we go
for Valentine's, I love NewYear's Eve and Valentine's Day
because everybody.
Kind of dresses up to the nextlevel.
You'll see Jay will wear his tuxand women are in longer dresses
(20:21):
or more formal, and there's justthis air of sexy sophistication
Yes.
In it.
And that's just really fun.
But we also know it's one ofthose times where it gets super
crowded
Tramp (20:34):
Yes.
Elle (20:36):
And hot and.
You can't even hear'causethere's so much noise and
everything.
So we had kind of planned aheadthat about 10 o'clock we would
have spoken with a co, a coupleof couples that we found
interesting and I think some ofthe people we had planned ahead
of time as well.
To just come back to our house.
(20:56):
We live five minutes away,which.
Super handy, but does mean thatwe're there a lot, not
complaining.
And so we had, set up the house,our bedroom we have king size
bed and then blew up the queenmattress and then had the
massage table in between thebeds and it wound up being four
couples.
And then we had a single guythat wasn't at the ranch, but we
(21:19):
had told him about that, what wewere gonna do.
And he said, I'd love to come tothat.
So he just.
Showed up at 10 o'clock, and itwas interesting.
It was the first orgy for a goodfriend of mine.
She played a lot, but mm-hmm.
She had never been to an orgyand, I think she was a, a little
nervous, it's the least commondenominator.
Make that person feel the mostcomfortable.
Like, of course, how does thisstart?
(21:40):
What do we do?
Where does it?
And then all of a sudden sheturns around and you've got a
couple of people kissing andpulling each other's clothes off
and, and starting.
She's like, oh, okay.
And went from there.
So, you have three differentsurfaces.
I think we had the sex swing uptoo.
But sometimes that's just morehumorous than anything else to
try and maneuver that.
(22:00):
And then everybody sort ofplayed around and touched each
other and.
At one point, I think I was onthe massage table with one
person at one end and another atthe other.
Our friend who had never been inan orgy, she was on the bed
towards the end of the eveningon the queen size inflatable
with Jay and the single man.
(22:23):
But really they were just.
Touching.
So it was slow strokes on thebody and you're feeling, four
sets of hands.
Yeah.
Very
Tramp (22:31):
erotic.
Very, very
Elle (22:33):
erotic.
And it was just neat to see herrelax into it and see the joy of
having multiple, multiple peopletouching and playing with you.
Mm-hmm.
And it having the attention oftwo or three.
Guys at one time or two or threewomen, or two guys and a woman
(22:53):
or whatever it is, it's justthat flow is so relaxing.
Tramp (23:00):
Yeah.
And everyone's on the same page.
Mm-hmm.
And you're right, you have to bein a relaxed state to take
advantage of it.
You really, the reality of anorgy is you and your partner are
going to get separated.
Right.
Elle (23:14):
Yeah.
If there's, I think it's thechance, obviously
Tramp (23:16):
the, the more people, the more play surfaces might
Elle (23:18):
be different rooms.
It might be, it could be, yeah.
Multiple areas.
And, and that's a goodconversation to have before,
okay, do we need to stay in thesame room?
Or if one of us is invited to goto a different room, are we okay
with that?
And that's been an evolvingthing for us.
At first it's like, no.
And we're together.
Mm-hmm.
And then that's gone into, no, Iknow how you feel about so and
(23:40):
so and so and so and so and so,and if you get an opportunity
and you guys get a little alonetime, that's fine too.
Yeah.
But that conversation somethingelse I was thinking about with,
I guess, etiquette.
At an orgy.
We did go to one didn't reallyquite turn into the orgy that we
were thinking of, but at thebeginning of the night after
everybody had socialized for alittle while, they brought
(24:01):
everybody down into thebasement.
Everybody had, it was a nicebasement.
It was finished, but sounded,sounded a little creepy for a
second there.
I was gonna say, it
Tramp (24:08):
puts a lotion on the skin type of basement.
Right,
Elle (24:11):
exactly.
But everybody sort of sat in acircle and.
Went around the room, said theirnames, said their, you know,
their Cassidy names.
So kind of keep track, not thatyou're gonna remember by the end
of the night.
It's a bunch of people you don'tknow.
But then also what you're intoand anything you're not okay
with for that night.
Like there was a woman who wasgoing through some physical
issues and she's like, I'mreally just gonna watch and, and
(24:33):
play.
Another woman was, I'm just intowomen tonight, so if you are not
familiar with.
The play styles that the peopleyou're with mm-hmm.
Or they're new and you don'tknow them or, or whatever.
It is not a bad idea to do thatso that you don't have any of
that miscommunication orstepping over a boundary.
(24:55):
Because truthfully, in my mind,in an orgy, a fair amount goes,
maybe not everything goes, but afair amount goes and you're kind
of doing.
Implying consent.
Tramp (25:07):
I would agree there
Elle (25:08):
unless you are very specific.
So if you've got a specificthing that you're not okay with
or for that night or in generalfor your as a couple, you need
to say that at the beginning.
Tramp (25:20):
Yes.
Just as we always preach,communication is key.
I think we have a key and it's,and it's not only between you
and your partner but whoeveryou're playing with, right?
You have to have the agency inyourself to say, yeah, this is
okay, or I want more of that, orNo thank you.
Elle (25:36):
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And so that's just my 2 cents onthe things that I think that.
You kind of have to payattention to.
Mm-hmm.
And not a bad idea to have somesnacks for later.
'cause people will be a littlesnacky
Tramp (25:51):
I have a feeling we're launching right into the
unapologetic honesty here.
Yeah.
But that's okay.
Another thing with orgies isthat.
Everyone has their owntimeframe, right?
Where if one of the guys needs abreak or finishes early and he,
goes and gets a snack, goes andget a drink and just comes back
(26:13):
to watch before, reengaging.
Yeah.
You'll find that oftentimes these can extend a
significant amount of time.
Yeah.
But the people will kind of cycle in and, and out if they
need a break or, whatever,
Elle (26:28):
right?
And that's what's really cool isthat, it's not like okay, this
is a four hour orgy and you'rein for the whole time.
You come and go, you.
You get a snack, you go to thebathroom, you regroup, you
rehydrate, there's all thosethings that, that towel off need
to have a towel off, jump in theshower, whatever you need is
(26:50):
acceptable.
Tramp (26:51):
Mm-hmm.
And then once it finallyconcludes, it's kind of cool,
like everyone's just kind oflounging around you
Elle (26:58):
get that little bond.
Yeah, exactly.
And, and oh my gosh.
The cuddle puddles.
I love the cuddle puddles whenit's all done.
And I have a tendency to tap outearly and I'll just sit and
watch.
And I always love it when,someone will maybe, snuggle up
behind me and just, we're justsnuggling as we're watching
everybody else.
Mm-hmm.
And then you start getting morepeople and then everybody's just
(27:19):
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Tramp (27:21):
Yeah.
Euphoric.
Elle (27:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Elle (27:28):
Yeah,
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Elle (28:48):
We got our first fam letter
Tramp (28:53):
we did from a new couple that is listening from Canada.
So thank you guys so much.
Elle (28:59):
Yes, we were very excited.
I mean, when.
When Tramp sent it over, we werelike, y feeling like little
kids, but it was really cool.
So titled, so happy to havefound you and we are new to the
lifestyle, brand new one Trip toHido and one trip to our local
club as green as can be.
I am absolutely in love withyour podcast.
(29:20):
The Tramp and l have such alovely energy and vibe together,
and with Jay's humor sprinkledin, I'm hooked.
As a Canadian, it makes me wannavisit the ranch in Colorado.
Thank you for what you do, andif you do come out, then please
let us know.
We'd love to meet up with you,but she did also follow up with
some questions, so let's take alook at what those are.
(29:44):
This is interesting.
Do you all share your lifestylewith friends or is it all kept
secret?
That's a big one.
For me, I have a handful offriends that know and I'm
always.
(30:04):
Thinking.
Okay, is it somebody who's gonnajudge?
No.
Is it someone who's gonna usethis against me at some point?
No.
Or, with one of'em, it was afriend that when Jay and I first
started dating
mm-hmm.
You know, and I wasn't planning on getting married
again and, not looking foranything serious.
I told her at our weekly dinnerand I'd hoped that she would ask
(30:28):
questions over the years.
She hasn't, I think that shewould get a lot out of it being
in the lifestyle as a singlewoman.
Mm-hmm.
I think that she would find thatpeople are warm and open and
friendly, but I cannot push iton her.
Tramp (30:45):
Of course not.
Elle (30:45):
And so it's only occasionally I'll throw
something out to her and tellher something, but I kind keep
that on the down low.
And then another friend that weget together and have dinner
every couple of months.
We used to work together.
And we had been at a Mexicanrestaurant and enjoyed several
margaritas and had been therefor like three hours.
(31:09):
I think that's more than severalmargaritas and just
Tramp (31:11):
came out.
Elle (31:12):
But luckily it's a person who, is under understanding and
accepting and she's like, okay,I get it.
Makes sense.
And, I'd love again.
I would love to have thesefriends be part of the
lifestyle.
Mm-hmm.
You can't force anything onanybody.
And then the other person I hadwas a.
(31:34):
About a year after Jay and Istarted dating, I had posted
some pictures on Facebook of us,it was like our year anniversary
and I was just saying somethingnice and there was a picture of
the first time I went to theranch and it was steampunk night
and it was a picture of the twoof us against one of the walls,
which is, this used to be a asteakhouse.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's a little like logcabin looking.
(31:56):
Rustic and she takes ascreenshot of that photo, texts
it to me.
This is a sorority sister ofmine from college.
Okay.
And she texts it to me and says,where was this taken?
And all.
I'm freaking out and I'm textingJay and he's like, she's asking,
she probably knows, and I'mlike, I don't know.
I don't know what to do withthis.
(32:16):
I don't know what to do withthis.
I don't know.
And so I sent back, I'm like,well, was it a party at a
restaurant?
She's like, I think I've been tothat restaurant.
And I'm like, oh.
I go, okay, this is a biggerconversation.
Is most likely gonna need abottle of wine?
Wink.
And so.
We did talk about it and foundout that when she was divorced
(32:36):
10 years before she started intothe lifestyle it's been
something that she, has kind ofbeen in and out and part of her
life.
And so when we go to dinner withour other two.
Sorority sisters who are not inthe lifestyle.
Mm-hmm.
We have a tendency to do a fewof those, wink, wink, nudge,
nudge conversations, and thenhave a tendency to, after the
other two have left, Hey, do youwant to have another drink?
(32:59):
And just get caught up onthings.
So it's always fun to do that.
But other than that, no one inmy vanilla world knows
Tramp (33:08):
I'm the same way in this essence of.
It's always been separate.
I've found having distinctlifestyle friends very
liberating.
Yes.
You can talk about anything youcan.
I don't wanna say do anything'cause that's incorrect, but No,
but the, the conversations, evenif you go out to a vanilla
dinner mm-hmm.
You know, just go out fordrinks.
(33:30):
The conversations you can haveso much more open are so much
more open.
So much more fun.
Yes.
Admittedly, I get kind of boredwith vanilla friends now Does
Elle (33:39):
happen.
It does, it does happen.
Tramp (33:41):
But those are two worlds that do not cross.
Yeah.
For me.
Yeah.
I'm absolutely certain, at somepoint I'm gonna run across
someone somewhere that I know inmy personal life.
And the way that I have alwaysapproached that is I don't fear
it.
(34:01):
I know it's gonna happeneventually, but they're there
for the same reason as you are.
Right.
You said
Elle (34:05):
they're there, you're, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (34:07):
So they have as much interest.
In keeping it on the down low,you
Elle (34:14):
would think Yes.
Tramp (34:15):
Theoretically, as you do.
Elle (34:18):
Yes.
Tramp (34:18):
And of course, that can be a whole, new friendship, a
new bond.
Elle (34:22):
Right.
Tramp (34:22):
Again, that wink wink nod.
Nod.
Elle (34:24):
Yeah.
Tramp (34:25):
But yeah, for me, historically those two worlds do
not cross over.
Elle (34:31):
I thought of another person too.
A friend from high school whenJay and I first started dating
he was in town, he lives inDallas.
Mm-hmm.
And he was up in town and hesaid, Hey, let's get together
and, and have dinner.
And I'm like, okay.
And I was telling about this newguy that I was seeing and all
that.
And I think at that point,again, I was a little whimsical
(34:51):
about it.
And I said something about beingin the lifestyle and he looked
at me and went.
I've been in the lifestyle for awhile now.
So it was like, you get thiswhole other level of
conversations that you wouldn'tnormally have with somebody.
Right.
And so that's been kind ofinteresting over the years and,
it's nice to have that, someoneelse to understand some of the
(35:14):
things that you're goingthrough.
Mm-hmm.
What you're doing.
Mm-hmm.
So, and then, well myhairdresser, I did come out to
my hairdresser the other daybecause well, a couple ago.
Oh, you're just racking him up,aren't you?
I know, my God.
And I had just been telling Jay,'cause he was getting his hair
cut that same day.
And I'm like, you cannot tellhim because I used to work with
his husband and he still workswith people that I used to
(35:38):
manage.
Okay.
And I'm like, oh, come on, youjust, I, hmm.
Couple of beers in and I canjust see this coming out.
But I was sitting in the chairand we were talking about going
on the Bliss cruise, and he'slike, well, you know, I'd stay
away from the doors that havethe upside down pineapples on
him.
And I just sort of gave him thislook like and he goes, oh my
(35:59):
God.
I am not surprised, but then itopened up a whole other level of
conversation.
So of course it was when I wasunder the heat lamps and Jay
comes in to get his hair cut.
I had to pull him aside and say,okay, I spilled the beans.
What?
Yes I did.
He now knows.
(36:19):
But I think in a way it kind ofhelped my hairdresser to know
and understand us and feel acloser bond and, be able to
have, be able to talk aboutother things.
Tramp (36:29):
There will always be people that can accept it or
simply cannot,
Elle (36:33):
right?
Yes.
And you just have to be reallycareful of who.
Mm-hmm.
That is, I'd say.
Yeah.
Well, that
Tramp (36:41):
was a good question.
That was a good littleconversation there.
Yeah.
Elle (36:44):
We might have to save some of our other questions for
another days, unless somebodysends us a question.
Yes, I'm talking to you
Tramp (36:53):
dear listener.
Elle (36:55):
Well, great.
Tramp (36:56):
Well guys, thank you so much for continuing to come on
this journey with us, and it'sjust been so much fun just to
keep this ball rolling.
Yeah.
And.
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That's our biggest ask.
Elle (37:13):
Yes.
Tramp (37:14):
If you need to reach out to us, it's unapologetic
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And there you can find the linkto shivers and an email link and
a couple other goodies.
Elle (37:30):
You know, I did go on my Amazon music a couple of weeks
ago and.
In one of their little scrollingtop notifications.
It had the PO.
A podcast they were highlightingor something, and it was us.
Ooh.
That was kind of exciting.
That is.
That's pretty awesome.
That was really that, that, youknow, I don't know if that's
taking the algorithm of me andwhat I listened to or what, but
(37:54):
it was still kind of exciting tosee.
That is awesome.
I love that.
Yeah.
Wow.
So until next time, I'm l
Tramp (38:01):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (38:02):
Be sexy,
Tramp (38:03):
be confident.
Elle (38:04):
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm L
Tramp (00:08):
and I'm the Tramp.
Guys, wE're just so thankfulyou've chosen to join us again,
and just a little bit about thepodcast.
This is just.
Our stories and adventures andthings that we have experienced
throughout our own uniquelifestyle journey.
Elle (00:25):
Couple of friends getting together and chatting about
their experiences.
Tramp (00:30):
Sometimes they're parallels.
Sometimes it's not so much.
But anyway, I'm so thankful tohave Elle back with me once
again.
Elle (00:39):
Very happy to be here.
It's been a couple of weeks andit has been kind of missed it.
Tramp (00:43):
It's amazing how it becomes part of your routine
almost.
And when it's not there, youfeel like something's missing.
Elle (00:50):
I know.
I mean, the podcast with Dr.
John was great, but I was sadnot to be a part of it.
I'll be Okay.
Well next time.
Yeah.
Right.
Tramp (01:01):
So everyone, today we are talking orgies.
Elle (01:05):
Ooh, orgies.
Tramp (01:07):
So an entire episode just dedicated to that.
And.
Why don't we just jump right inl with some unapologetic stories
and we'll go from there.
Elle (01:17):
For sure, for sure.
As we were talking with eachother about topics to talk about
on the show, this one keptcoming up and we had a lot of
questions.
At first, it was whatconstitutes an orgy?
Tramp (01:31):
Yeah.
How many people, how manycouples?
Right.
Elle (01:33):
And according to the worldwide web, it's.
Anything, five or more people ina group.
Tramp (01:39):
Okay,
Elle (01:40):
so makes sense.
Two couples be a foursome, threepeople would be a threesome.
You hit five and you hit thatorgy.
So it could be five, it could be10, it could be a crazy number.
And Jay and I have had over thelast five years have had a few
experiences with.
Some orgy situations.
The first one that came to mindwas early on in our.
(02:05):
Lifestyle adventures.
We had been talking with anothercouple and had met with them
once.
This was kind of towards the endof Covid and we were invited to
their house which we knewstraight up was gonna be an
orgy.
And it was, it was very fun.
The anticipation was incredible.
Tramp (02:26):
I was gonna say, did the hostess open the door and just
simply say, welcome to the orgy.
Elle (02:30):
I don't know.
'cause she opened the door inlingerie and it was sexy as
fuck.
And so we just sort of jumped,you know, came in, But they had
really set up their living roomarea with a number of inflatable
beds and mattresses even so muchas having a full-blown unicorn
(02:51):
pool.
Floaty.
Like a floaty.
Yeah.
Big floaty, you know, that youwould put your entire body into
Yeah.
And, and that was there just forfun and, and toys everywhere.
And so you just kind of walkedaround knowing that it was going
to be an interesting evening,
Tramp (03:08):
sounds it?
Elle (03:09):
Yes.
And I wanna say, I think it wasabout nine people total.
And we knew.
Most of them.
There was one couple that camelater that we didn't know, but
we already had some familiaritywith everybody, which I think
sometimes makes it a little bitmore comfortable.
Mm-hmm.
To start with, and granted thiswas five years ago, but I just
(03:34):
remember there was an immenseamount of playing on, the
individual.
Surfaces and just moving fromone bed to another, and as one
situation kind of finished offand turning and looking and
watching a number of otherpeople playing around, and the
(03:55):
intertwining of the arms and thelegs and the body parts, and I
think the end sort of culminatedon a mattress on the floor where
I believe all of us were, and insome shape or form.
Working our way around eachother.
Right.
Yeah.
Tramp (04:14):
It's fun.
At least in my experience, whenthose situations, they just
flow.
Obviously there needs to be.
I guess group attraction or youhave to be attracted, mm-hmm.
Attracted enough to yes, toeveryone in the group where
you're willing to play andobviously not take one for the
team or whatnot.
(04:34):
Well,
Elle (04:35):
and that is an interesting question that I've heard
somebody else bring up before,is if you're in that kind of an
orgy situation and you don'tfind somebody attractive, are
you obligated to play with them?
Tramp (04:46):
Realistically, I would say no.
Elle (04:49):
I mean, you're always able, should always be able to
give consent or not consent.
Correct.
But what is the proper etiquettefor letting someone know it's so
awkward?
Tramp (05:02):
It would be awkward, and I would probably say it would
start with a nonverbal.
Elle (05:07):
Yeah.
Tramp (05:08):
Where, if someone tries to pull you in and, and you
resist, I mean, most people aregonna be like, okay, I.
No harm, no foul.
Elle (05:15):
I think a polite, no thank you.
Is in order.
Sure.
Yeah.
Tramp (05:21):
And that's something just more broadly speaking, the
lifestyle as I've experiencedit, is you have to be able to
handle rejection.
Right.
And not take it personally.
Exactly.
'cause sometimes
Elle (05:31):
it could be someone has facial hair or they don't have
facial hair or
Tramp (05:37):
too much hair, huh?
Elle (05:38):
Yeah.
Yes, there are those.
But you never know.
But I think, yeah, if there'ssomething we've definitely
learned over the years is not totake that rejection as a
personal affront.
Right.
Tramp (05:52):
But it can be very difficult early on.
Elle (05:55):
Yeah.
Tramp (05:56):
Where I don't think.
It could be something even, evenfrom our own childhood,
depending on how dotting yourparents were and Yeah.
Being told no.
Elle (06:04):
Right.
I don't want to hear that.
It's like, what
Tramp (06:06):
is that word?
I, I don't understand that word.
Especially when you're
Elle (06:09):
really horny and somebody turns you on to get a No thank
you.
But I think the important thingis to not internalize it and to
the beauty of being in a groupsituation like that is that you
turn and you find somebody whois interested in you.
Mm-hmm.
You know.
Very
Tramp (06:27):
true.
Elle (06:29):
So, I dunno, that's just my thoughts.
Tramp (06:32):
No, but that sounds like fun.
Just everybody ending up on thesame mattress and
Elle (06:37):
Yeah, we have, we have some photos of it.
I should have pulled them upbefore we started doing this,
but I have some in my head.
I'm pointing to my head.
But of what it was like, andjust the different scenarios.
I think there was one momentthat our wonderful hostess was
(06:58):
sitting on top of a gentleman onhis cock facing out from the
sofa.
So he's sitting on the sofa andshe's fi facing out.
Mm-hmm.
And, he's just slowly going inand out and I was feeling so
good and the endorphins wereflowing so well.
I just sort of crawled up tothem and started licking her
(07:21):
clits.
Oh, wow.
As they were fucking and.
We definitely have pictures ofthat.
It was so hot and it's like youcould just hear everybody sort
of stopped around us and that'swhat they call the show stopper.
Yes, yes.
And just started watching asthis happened and yeah, that
was, that was pretty awesome.
(07:41):
You know, I think you findyourself maybe in situations
that you never even dreamed youwould be in.
Tramp (07:47):
I would have to say you're 100% correct there.
Elle (07:51):
Yeah.
Tramp (07:52):
So the one that comes to mind the first time that we were
in an orgy was we have mentionedthese couples before and it's
the two Vegas couples.
Mm-hmm.
And it was our second trip toVegas and a lot more prepared
this time.
Right.
We were still so a soft swapcouple.
(08:12):
Mm-hmm.
And we had some drinks withthese guys, had a good time and
then all six of us.
So it was three couples, all inall.
And yeah, the men were handsome.
The, women were drop deadgorgeous.
Elle (08:26):
Oh, must have been a really sexy scene.
It,
Tramp (08:29):
it was, and I had enough foresight to bring the lighting
kit.
So whenever I travel, I like totake, LED candles.
Oh, yes.
Or little battery poweredcandles, atmosphere.
You get'em on on Amazon.
Yeah.
This is strictly atmosphere.
Yeah.
As well as these LED floodlights that you can put in
corners and change the color.
So of course red go figure.
(08:50):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And, of course you have music,so it's just set up in a sexy
scene.
We hit the room and, we werestill soft swap at the time.
The, the two other couples werefull swap.
Elle (08:59):
That's interesting.
I'm interested to hear how thispans out.
So
Tramp (09:04):
Well, everything was respectful.
Everything was above board.
There weren't any pushing aboundaries.
Mm-hmm.
But the three women just startedwith each other and the guys
were just.
Watching.
Just watching.
Like, I, I realize how creepythat sounds, but when, but when
it's
Elle (09:21):
your loved ones like that.
It's not, it's sexy.
Oh, it's so, it was so
Tramp (09:24):
sexy.
Yeah.
And just watching them play fora little bit and interact and,
the sounds and the sight andeverything.
And it's funny, the guys are,we're so quiet'cause we don't
want to break the spell
Elle (09:38):
Right, for sure.
Tramp (09:39):
And.
Then the, girls were like, well,maybe we should invite the guys
in.
And yeah, our room had a, had abig old king size bed and, we
all climbed up on there it wasso much fun because from my
perspective, just the flow ofeverything and how you would
switch off and us being a softswap it was so much fun.
And the grand finale, at leastfor me was with my previous
(10:07):
partner writing me while.
One of the other girls waswriting my face.
Oh.
And
then the two girls were making out while, so it was,
yeah, that's always a
hot one.
It was amazing from what I could see and, but from
definitely what I heard washeard.
Yes, it was yeah, it wasincredible is the best way I can
(10:28):
put it.
Elle (10:29):
So I'm thinking about this in my head.
You've got two other couples andthey are full swap and you two
are soft swaps.
So.
What you're able to do with theother ladies and your partner.
Well, partner, of course you cango full on.
Yes.
But with the other two is justoral and kissing and touching
and all that, just nopenetration.
(10:49):
Correct.
Correct.
Right.
So when you are just so workedup that you have to, then you
had her.
Mm-hmm.
And that reconnected you guysback together.
Right.
In that situation.
And I think there's nothingwrong with that.
Tramp (11:04):
Then the other memory that comes to mind is, and I
think I still have a picture ofthis, where after all is said
and done and you're looking outover the Vegas strip one of the
girls went and put her boobs upagainst the floor length
windows, and, just pressed.
And her husband took a pictureof her from behind.
(11:25):
The next morning as the sun isshining through.
I'm like, those are blueprintson the windows.
Elle (11:33):
Did you take a picture of that?
Tramp (11:35):
I did.
Elle (11:35):
Excellent.
'cause when are you, when elseare you gonna get that?
Right.
Right.
And I am pretty sure that thatis not the first time that the
cleaning staff has come acrossblueprints on their windows.
Tramp (11:46):
No, I'm sure not.
Elle (11:48):
Yes.
Is Vegas.
It
Tramp (11:49):
is Vegas.
Yeah.
Elle (11:51):
We had a interesting orgy situation once a couple years
ago.
There was a couple that comes infrom out of town I wanna say
South Dakota.
So they come from a little bitof ways, but they come to the
ranch fairly often.
Okay.
And they had set up for wasanother couple us, I think it
(12:12):
was three couples.
Okay.
We made notes here, threecouples, and then two single
men.
And this orgy was to take placeat 8:00 AM on a Saturday
morning.
Tramp (12:23):
Oh wow.
Elle (12:24):
Was it eight or maybe 10?
It might have been 10:00 AM
Tramp (12:26):
It's, well, the, I'm still stuck on the 8:00 AM part.
8:00 AM
Elle (12:29):
Right.
Never ever have I heard anyoneelse do this.
And so we were like, sure.
So we show up.
You're leaving the ranch early'cause you gotta get up early to
go to an orgy.
Right.
Is.
A whole other thought process.
And we've actually done thiswith this couple twice, and I
think they've done it a coupleother times we've heard from
other people, but you walk inand they had mimosas and
(12:52):
everyone's sitting around andjust talking.
I think for the most part, weall knew each other.
And one situation, we didn'tknow the other single guy.
And we may not have known thecouple, but you get to know
people really well right off.
And I think it's important tohave that time, especially
people don't know each other yetto talk, to socialize, to get to
know each other, to, to breakthe, ice a little bit and to
(13:16):
kind of warm up to, how thingsare going.
And we were.
Playing for hours and they hadtwo queen size beds and they
were leaving at 11 o'clock, soyou don't mind messing up the
beds.
Right.
And there's different numbersand playing and as being, three
women and five men.
Five men, I liked those odds.
(13:39):
I got plenty of places you canput stuff anyway.
And so yeah, it was sexy, it washot.
I'm alert.
I'm much better in the morninganyway.
Mm-hmm.
you don't have the hours ofpossible drinking and the
impossible impairment, so you'repretty fresh and everybody's
feeling really good.
And then we were done by noonand we went to, I think it was
(14:03):
five guys or something, had aburger and then came home and
then had this whole rest of theday to do stuff.
It was actually, I thought thatwas a pretty good idea.
Tramp (14:13):
That's interesting,
Elle (14:14):
right?
It
Tramp (14:15):
it is.
I I'm still a little stuck onthe AM thing just because we're,
so accustomed with, all theclubs are nighttime.
Yeah.
Unless it's a Sunday fun day,which is more of a social event.
Yeah.
But.
It's usually in the evening,even, even if you're meeting a
another couple.
Mm-hmm.
Just to, have a drink and see ifthere's test the water.
(14:36):
Actual attraction, it's stillgonna be in the evening,
Elle (14:39):
right?
Yeah.
It's not often.
I mean, sometimes you might do acoffee, we've met a single guy
for coffee before, like in themiddle of the workday or
something.
Mm-hmm.
But it's, it's unusual.
Yeah.
But the 10:00 AM start time was.
Definitely.
Tramp (14:53):
Now, would you say in that scenario you would prefer
it or it's just a nice change ofpace?
Elle (14:58):
You know, I'll tell you what, if I was gonna be in that
situation again, I would preferto maybe even meet for the
drinks and the snacks and thewarmup at like six, and then
start playing about seven andbeing done about nine.
I'm not a late night person.
(15:19):
And so for me, I'm gonna be alittle bit more alert and not,
possibly sitting in the cornerhalf snoozing.
If I could start a littleearlier, and I've heard that
from a lot of people, it's like,actually I really like the
parties that start on theearlier side, you know, as
opposed to, okay, we're gonnastart at nine and then about 11
we're gonna start playing.
And I'm like, I am going to beasleep.
(15:40):
Mm-hmm.
So can we maybe do somethingdifferent?
Yeah.
Tramp (15:45):
On a similar tilt, there are some clubs again in Vegas
where they don't allow play.
Right.
And they're, and honestlythey're the better clubs in
Vegas.
Right.
But they have, I think they openat eight or nine at night.
Yeah.
And then the playrooms open at11.
Elle (16:01):
Right.
Yeah.
We're going to Vegas in a coupleof weeks and I think we'll
probably hit some of the clubs.
Mm-hmm.
We're going for a, a wedding, alifestyle wedding with a couple
that we met from the uk.
They're flying out to meet withtheir US friends to Oh, that
sounds fantastic.
By Elvis.
And so I have a feeling there'llbe some club hitting, so that'll
(16:23):
be interesting to see.
Mm-hmm.
I guess I'll be taking a lot ofnaps in the afternoon.
Tramp (16:28):
Sounds perfect.
Elle (16:29):
Right.
You just gotta plan for it,that's all.
Yeah.
Tramp (16:33):
All right, and I think I am going to wrap up on my orgy
stories with, I had alluded tothis when, a previous episode
when we talked about organicplay uhhuh, and this was one of
those things where, again, it,it was a curated group.
(16:53):
Honestly, we were going therejust to hang out.
We, this, this couple had abeautiful house and.
Yeah, and it was semi-privateand a pool, and it was
summertime and it was just a,fantastic time.
But as happens, when you'reswimming and drinking and
socializing and eating, touchingand, yeah, it's, it's flirting.
(17:17):
The sexual tension just getsramped up.
And let me preface this.
This is.
I wanna say that there were atleast five or six couples.
Elle (17:26):
That's 10.
That's a lot to people.
So 10 to 12
Tramp (17:28):
people.
And again, I have to think, atleast from my perspective, there
was attraction all around.
Elle (17:35):
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (17:36):
Which is great.
Elle (17:37):
Yeah.
I
Tramp (17:37):
mean, it's, hard enough getting a four-way connection.
Elle (17:40):
Right.
Tramp (17:40):
Versus I could have seen us at the time.
Potentially doing a double datewith any of the couples there.
Right.
Which was pretty, pretty awesometo be honest.
Elle (17:50):
This is fabulous Odds.
Yeah.
Tramp (17:52):
But just as I said in that episode, I think there was
that underlying sexual tensionyou know, in these situations,
oftentimes there's just a sparkor a fire starter.
Elle (18:03):
Oh, yes.
We've talked about the firestarter.
Tramp (18:05):
Yes.
So in this scenario there wasone gal who really liked her
champagne.
Sure.
And she even more so liked todip cocks and champagne and then
lick the champagne off, saidcock.
Elle (18:22):
Oh, well.
And who's gonna say no to that?
Tramp (18:25):
It is rather bracing when you first dip in the champagne
from a male perspective, let'sjust say.
Ah, good to know.
Elle (18:31):
Good to know.
Tramp (18:31):
Of course all the guys are like, yeah, I'll do it.
Line
up.
I'm mixed.
Yep.
Line up and of course all the girls, they're like, yeah,
let me try that Uhhuh.
And then it just, it evolvedfrom there and it was really
sexy and being able to.
Honestly to, to play withmultiple women in the same
session.
Yeah.
(18:51):
And how it flowed.
Yeah.
It was, I think I have to say that group play of that
nature is probably my favorite.
Elle (19:02):
Right.
There's something about you'refocusing on one person.
Someone else or someone else'sare touching you.
Mm-hmm.
In other parts, you don't evenknow who it is.
And you're, you have to just bein the moment.
You can't overthink it.
No.
You can't go, well wait, I'mgonna do this over here with
them and then go do this withthem as like, oh, okay, well I'm
(19:25):
gonna just move over here tothis person because that's
really fun.
And you know, you don't, you getcaught up in the moment like
that.
Yeah.
Tramp (19:33):
If, you see something.
Elle (19:35):
Play with it.
Yeah, play with it.
I've, got, well I've got severalothers, but I'm gonna just do
one other that I have that acouple years ago.
We were coming up on New Year'sEve and it's one of those big
nights at the ranch and one, one
Tramp (19:53):
of this that, along with Halloween, I would call the, the
lifestyle or the Swinger, highHolidays, if you will.
Elle (19:59):
I called them the High Holidays the other day too,
because it's like h Halloween's,the big one, the New Year's Eve.
And then Valentine's Day isreally big and every time we go
for Valentine's, I love NewYear's Eve and Valentine's Day
because everybody.
Kind of dresses up to the nextlevel.
You'll see Jay will wear his tuxand women are in longer dresses
(20:21):
or more formal, and there's justthis air of sexy sophistication
Yes.
In it.
And that's just really fun.
But we also know it's one ofthose times where it gets super
crowded
Tramp (20:34):
Yes.
Elle (20:36):
And hot and.
You can't even hear'causethere's so much noise and
everything.
So we had kind of planned aheadthat about 10 o'clock we would
have spoken with a co, a coupleof couples that we found
interesting and I think some ofthe people we had planned ahead
of time as well.
To just come back to our house.
(20:56):
We live five minutes away,which.
Super handy, but does mean thatwe're there a lot, not
complaining.
And so we had, set up the house,our bedroom we have king size
bed and then blew up the queenmattress and then had the
massage table in between thebeds and it wound up being four
couples.
And then we had a single guythat wasn't at the ranch, but we
(21:19):
had told him about that, what wewere gonna do.
And he said, I'd love to come tothat.
So he just.
Showed up at 10 o'clock, and itwas interesting.
It was the first orgy for a goodfriend of mine.
She played a lot, but mm-hmm.
She had never been to an orgyand, I think she was a, a little
nervous, it's the least commondenominator.
Make that person feel the mostcomfortable.
Like, of course, how does thisstart?
(21:40):
What do we do?
Where does it?
And then all of a sudden sheturns around and you've got a
couple of people kissing andpulling each other's clothes off
and, and starting.
She's like, oh, okay.
And went from there.
So, you have three differentsurfaces.
I think we had the sex swing uptoo.
But sometimes that's just morehumorous than anything else to
try and maneuver that.
(22:00):
And then everybody sort ofplayed around and touched each
other and.
At one point, I think I was onthe massage table with one
person at one end and another atthe other.
Our friend who had never been inan orgy, she was on the bed
towards the end of the eveningon the queen size inflatable
with Jay and the single man.
(22:23):
But really they were just.
Touching.
So it was slow strokes on thebody and you're feeling, four
sets of hands.
Yeah.
Very
Tramp (22:31):
erotic.
Very, very
Elle (22:33):
erotic.
And it was just neat to see herrelax into it and see the joy of
having multiple, multiple peopletouching and playing with you.
Mm-hmm.
And it having the attention oftwo or three.
Guys at one time or two or threewomen, or two guys and a woman
(22:53):
or whatever it is, it's justthat flow is so relaxing.
Tramp (23:00):
Yeah.
And everyone's on the same page.
Mm-hmm.
And you're right, you have to bein a relaxed state to take
advantage of it.
You really, the reality of anorgy is you and your partner are
going to get separated.
Right.
Elle (23:14):
Yeah.
If there's, I think it's thechance, obviously
Tramp (23:16):
the, the more people, the more play surfaces might
Elle (23:18):
be different rooms.
It might be, it could be, yeah.
Multiple areas.
And, and that's a goodconversation to have before,
okay, do we need to stay in thesame room?
Or if one of us is invited to goto a different room, are we okay
with that?
And that's been an evolvingthing for us.
At first it's like, no.
And we're together.
Mm-hmm.
And then that's gone into, no, Iknow how you feel about so and
(23:40):
so and so and so and so and so,and if you get an opportunity
and you guys get a little alonetime, that's fine too.
Yeah.
But that conversation somethingelse I was thinking about with,
I guess, etiquette.
At an orgy.
We did go to one didn't reallyquite turn into the orgy that we
were thinking of, but at thebeginning of the night after
everybody had socialized for alittle while, they brought
(24:01):
everybody down into thebasement.
Everybody had, it was a nicebasement.
It was finished, but sounded,sounded a little creepy for a
second there.
I was gonna say, it
Tramp (24:08):
puts a lotion on the skin type of basement.
Right,
Elle (24:11):
exactly.
But everybody sort of sat in acircle and.
Went around the room, said theirnames, said their, you know,
their Cassidy names.
So kind of keep track, not thatyou're gonna remember by the end
of the night.
It's a bunch of people you don'tknow.
But then also what you're intoand anything you're not okay
with for that night.
Like there was a woman who wasgoing through some physical
issues and she's like, I'mreally just gonna watch and, and
(24:33):
play.
Another woman was, I'm just intowomen tonight, so if you are not
familiar with.
The play styles that the peopleyou're with mm-hmm.
Or they're new and you don'tknow them or, or whatever.
It is not a bad idea to do thatso that you don't have any of
that miscommunication orstepping over a boundary.
(24:55):
Because truthfully, in my mind,in an orgy, a fair amount goes,
maybe not everything goes, but afair amount goes and you're kind
of doing.
Implying consent.
Tramp (25:07):
I would agree there
Elle (25:08):
unless you are very specific.
So if you've got a specificthing that you're not okay with
or for that night or in generalfor your as a couple, you need
to say that at the beginning.
Tramp (25:20):
Yes.
Just as we always preach,communication is key.
I think we have a key and it's,and it's not only between you
and your partner but whoeveryou're playing with, right?
You have to have the agency inyourself to say, yeah, this is
okay, or I want more of that, orNo thank you.
Elle (25:36):
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And so that's just my 2 cents onthe things that I think that.
You kind of have to payattention to.
Mm-hmm.
And not a bad idea to have somesnacks for later.
'cause people will be a littlesnacky
Tramp (25:51):
I have a feeling we're launching right into the
unapologetic honesty here.
Yeah.
But that's okay.
Another thing with orgies isthat.
Everyone has their owntimeframe, right?
Where if one of the guys needs abreak or finishes early and he,
goes and gets a snack, goes andget a drink and just comes back
(26:13):
to watch before, reengaging.
Yeah.
You'll find that oftentimes these can extend a
significant amount of time.
Yeah.
But the people will kind of cycle in and, and out if they
need a break or, whatever,
Elle (26:28):
right?
And that's what's really cool isthat, it's not like okay, this
is a four hour orgy and you'rein for the whole time.
You come and go, you.
You get a snack, you go to thebathroom, you regroup, you
rehydrate, there's all thosethings that, that towel off need
to have a towel off, jump in theshower, whatever you need is
(26:50):
acceptable.
Tramp (26:51):
Mm-hmm.
And then once it finallyconcludes, it's kind of cool,
like everyone's just kind oflounging around you
Elle (26:58):
get that little bond.
Yeah, exactly.
And, and oh my gosh.
The cuddle puddles.
I love the cuddle puddles whenit's all done.
And I have a tendency to tap outearly and I'll just sit and
watch.
And I always love it when,someone will maybe, snuggle up
behind me and just, we're justsnuggling as we're watching
everybody else.
Mm-hmm.
And then you start getting morepeople and then everybody's just
(27:19):
sort of in that happy glow.
Tramp (27:21):
Yeah.
Euphoric.
Elle (27:23):
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Elle (28:48):
We got our first fam letter
Tramp (28:53):
we did from a new couple that is listening from Canada.
So thank you guys so much.
Elle (28:59):
Yes, we were very excited.
I mean, when.
When Tramp sent it over, we werelike, y feeling like little
kids, but it was really cool.
So titled, so happy to havefound you and we are new to the
lifestyle, brand new one Trip toHido and one trip to our local
club as green as can be.
I am absolutely in love withyour podcast.
(29:20):
The Tramp and l have such alovely energy and vibe together,
and with Jay's humor sprinkledin, I'm hooked.
As a Canadian, it makes me wannavisit the ranch in Colorado.
Thank you for what you do, andif you do come out, then please
let us know.
We'd love to meet up with you,but she did also follow up with
some questions, so let's take alook at what those are.
(29:44):
This is interesting.
Do you all share your lifestylewith friends or is it all kept
secret?
That's a big one.
For me, I have a handful offriends that know and I'm
always.
(30:04):
Thinking.
Okay, is it somebody who's gonnajudge?
No.
Is it someone who's gonna usethis against me at some point?
No.
Or, with one of'em, it was afriend that when Jay and I first
started dating
mm-hmm.
You know, and I wasn't planning on getting married
again and, not looking foranything serious.
I told her at our weekly dinnerand I'd hoped that she would ask
(30:28):
questions over the years.
She hasn't, I think that shewould get a lot out of it being
in the lifestyle as a singlewoman.
Mm-hmm.
I think that she would find thatpeople are warm and open and
friendly, but I cannot push iton her.
Tramp (30:45):
Of course not.
Elle (30:45):
And so it's only occasionally I'll throw
something out to her and tellher something, but I kind keep
that on the down low.
And then another friend that weget together and have dinner
every couple of months.
We used to work together.
And we had been at a Mexicanrestaurant and enjoyed several
margaritas and had been therefor like three hours.
(31:09):
I think that's more than severalmargaritas and just
Tramp (31:11):
came out.
Elle (31:12):
But luckily it's a person who, is under understanding and
accepting and she's like, okay,I get it.
Makes sense.
And, I'd love again.
I would love to have thesefriends be part of the
lifestyle.
Mm-hmm.
You can't force anything onanybody.
And then the other person I hadwas a.
(31:34):
About a year after Jay and Istarted dating, I had posted
some pictures on Facebook of us,it was like our year anniversary
and I was just saying somethingnice and there was a picture of
the first time I went to theranch and it was steampunk night
and it was a picture of the twoof us against one of the walls,
which is, this used to be a asteakhouse.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's a little like logcabin looking.
(31:56):
Rustic and she takes ascreenshot of that photo, texts
it to me.
This is a sorority sister ofmine from college.
Okay.
And she texts it to me and says,where was this taken?
And all.
I'm freaking out and I'm textingJay and he's like, she's asking,
she probably knows, and I'mlike, I don't know.
I don't know what to do withthis.
(32:16):
I don't know what to do withthis.
I don't know.
And so I sent back, I'm like,well, was it a party at a
restaurant?
She's like, I think I've been tothat restaurant.
And I'm like, oh.
I go, okay, this is a biggerconversation.
Is most likely gonna need abottle of wine?
Wink.
And so.
We did talk about it and foundout that when she was divorced
(32:36):
10 years before she started intothe lifestyle it's been
something that she, has kind ofbeen in and out and part of her
life.
And so when we go to dinner withour other two.
Sorority sisters who are not inthe lifestyle.
Mm-hmm.
We have a tendency to do a fewof those, wink, wink, nudge,
nudge conversations, and thenhave a tendency to, after the
other two have left, Hey, do youwant to have another drink?
(32:59):
And just get caught up onthings.
So it's always fun to do that.
But other than that, no one inmy vanilla world knows
Tramp (33:08):
I'm the same way in this essence of.
It's always been separate.
I've found having distinctlifestyle friends very
liberating.
Yes.
You can talk about anything youcan.
I don't wanna say do anything'cause that's incorrect, but No,
but the, the conversations, evenif you go out to a vanilla
dinner mm-hmm.
You know, just go out fordrinks.
(33:30):
The conversations you can haveso much more open are so much
more open.
So much more fun.
Yes.
Admittedly, I get kind of boredwith vanilla friends now Does
Elle (33:39):
happen.
It does, it does happen.
Tramp (33:41):
But those are two worlds that do not cross.
Yeah.
For me.
Yeah.
I'm absolutely certain, at somepoint I'm gonna run across
someone somewhere that I know inmy personal life.
And the way that I have alwaysapproached that is I don't fear
it.
(34:01):
I know it's gonna happeneventually, but they're there
for the same reason as you are.
Right.
You said
Elle (34:05):
they're there, you're, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tramp (34:07):
So they have as much interest.
In keeping it on the down low,you
Elle (34:14):
would think Yes.
Tramp (34:15):
Theoretically, as you do.
Elle (34:18):
Yes.
Tramp (34:18):
And of course, that can be a whole, new friendship, a
new bond.
Elle (34:22):
Right.
Tramp (34:22):
Again, that wink wink nod.
Nod.
Elle (34:24):
Yeah.
Tramp (34:25):
But yeah, for me, historically those two worlds do
not cross over.
Elle (34:31):
I thought of another person too.
A friend from high school whenJay and I first started dating
he was in town, he lives inDallas.
Mm-hmm.
And he was up in town and hesaid, Hey, let's get together
and, and have dinner.
And I'm like, okay.
And I was telling about this newguy that I was seeing and all
that.
And I think at that point,again, I was a little whimsical
(34:51):
about it.
And I said something about beingin the lifestyle and he looked
at me and went.
I've been in the lifestyle for awhile now.
So it was like, you get thiswhole other level of
conversations that you wouldn'tnormally have with somebody.
Right.
And so that's been kind ofinteresting over the years and,
it's nice to have that, someoneelse to understand some of the
(35:14):
things that you're goingthrough.
Mm-hmm.
What you're doing.
Mm-hmm.
So, and then, well myhairdresser, I did come out to
my hairdresser the other daybecause well, a couple ago.
Oh, you're just racking him up,aren't you?
I know, my God.
And I had just been telling Jay,'cause he was getting his hair
cut that same day.
And I'm like, you cannot tellhim because I used to work with
his husband and he still workswith people that I used to
(35:38):
manage.
Okay.
And I'm like, oh, come on, youjust, I, hmm.
Couple of beers in and I canjust see this coming out.
But I was sitting in the chairand we were talking about going
on the Bliss cruise, and he'slike, well, you know, I'd stay
away from the doors that havethe upside down pineapples on
him.
And I just sort of gave him thislook like and he goes, oh my
(35:59):
God.
I am not surprised, but then itopened up a whole other level of
conversation.
So of course it was when I wasunder the heat lamps and Jay
comes in to get his hair cut.
I had to pull him aside and say,okay, I spilled the beans.
What?
Yes I did.
He now knows.
(36:19):
But I think in a way it kind ofhelped my hairdresser to know
and understand us and feel acloser bond and, be able to
have, be able to talk aboutother things.
Tramp (36:29):
There will always be people that can accept it or
simply cannot,
Elle (36:33):
right?
Yes.
And you just have to be reallycareful of who.
Mm-hmm.
That is, I'd say.
Yeah.
Well, that
Tramp (36:41):
was a good question.
That was a good littleconversation there.
Yeah.
Elle (36:44):
We might have to save some of our other questions for
another days, unless somebodysends us a question.
Yes, I'm talking to you
Tramp (36:53):
dear listener.
Elle (36:55):
Well, great.
Tramp (36:56):
Well guys, thank you so much for continuing to come on
this journey with us, and it'sjust been so much fun just to
keep this ball rolling.
Yeah.
And.
Wherever you guys are listeningto us, just leave us a review.
That's our biggest ask.
Elle (37:13):
Yes.
Tramp (37:14):
If you need to reach out to us, it's unapologetic
swingers@gmail.com and ourwebsite is
www.dotunapologeticswingers.com.
And there you can find the linkto shivers and an email link and
a couple other goodies.
Elle (37:30):
You know, I did go on my Amazon music a couple of weeks
ago and.
In one of their little scrollingtop notifications.
It had the PO.
A podcast they were highlightingor something, and it was us.
Ooh.
That was kind of exciting.
That is.
That's pretty awesome.
That was really that, that, youknow, I don't know if that's
taking the algorithm of me andwhat I listened to or what, but
(37:54):
it was still kind of exciting tosee.
That is awesome.
I love that.
Yeah.
Wow.
So until next time, I'm l
Tramp (38:01):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (38:02):
Be sexy,
Tramp (38:03):
be confident.
Elle (38:04):
Be unapologetic.
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