May 26, 2025 • 43 mins
The Tramp and Elle are joined by special guests Liz and Lee who have canon balled into the lifestyle in the last 8 months. Join us as they tell of their steep learning curve with some sexy stories.
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we are just sothankful that you're continuing
to come on this journey with usand it's a lot of fun just
looking at the analytics fromthe past episodes and
Elle (00:18):
Right.
Tramp (00:19):
Seeing that we.
I don't just have listeners,here in Colorado or just here in
the States.
It's
Elle (00:25):
all over the world.
Oh my gosh.
It's been so fun to look to see.
And we won't call anyone out'cause you might be the only
person there and everybody wouldknow then.
Right.
Tramp (00:35):
But we're just so thankful and just a little bit
about the podcast.
This is just our journeys and,our highs and lows and
everything in between.
And we do it for fun.
Yes, we do it just to connectwith people and to get those
emails and try to help peoplethrough, some of the things that
we have done on the, on the highside, and try to avoid some of
(01:00):
the things that we'veexperienced on the low side.
Elle (01:02):
Right?
The little warning foreforewarning.
Well, and I think what we'vereally enjoyed about the whole
thing is putting our own friendson the podcast, they're
interesting stories and how theygot to this point and how they
got here.
So I'm really excited becauseour friends, Liz and Lee said
(01:23):
that they were willing to comeon the podcast and talk, and
they're fairly new, so it bringsa different.
Aspect to it and we've reallyhad a lot of fun getting to know
them and their stories and theirreal lives and everything.
So welcome Liz and Lee and we'reexcited to have you here today.
(01:46):
Thank you.
Thank you for having us.
Tramp (01:47):
Well, thank you much.
Thank you for joining us guys.
Elle (01:48):
Yeah.
So I always wanna know and howyou guys got here, what is.
The story behind Liz and Lee arenow in the lifestyle and take
off their clothes for fun.
Tramp (02:03):
It's funny because everyone's journey is unique.
It's different.
Everyone's gonna have a twist toturn somewhere, and it's just so
fun to learn about.
Liz (02:13):
Our twist and turns started in Key West on a vacation.
And we've always vanillavacation.
Yes, it was a vanilla vacation.
We've always had a very fun andintense sex life, and so we just
went to Key West and there was aplace that you can be clothes
(02:36):
list.
Is that the right word?
Clothing.
Clothing.
Optional.
Optional.
There we go.
Clothing optional.
And we had kind of talked aboutit and during the day we walked
by and I was like, Hmm, no, thatdoesn't really look like I want
to venture there.
And I don't know, Thursdaynight, Friday night rolled
(02:56):
around and we're like, let's go.
Let's go do it.
And so we went and Whoa, whoa,whoa.
Elle (03:02):
Jay and I had dinner with you guys the other night.
I'm gonna dial this back just alittle bit because I know for a
fact that you went somewhereelse before you went to this bar
and that kind of got you in themood for some things.
Liz (03:16):
Well, we went the first night there.
Okay.
And we had a repeat secondnight.
So the first night we went justto check it out and we were up
there and nobody was takingtheir clothes off and.
Here I go.
I'm like, ah, let's go.
Someone's gotta do it.
And he's like, no, no, no.
You don't have to be the first,you don't have to be the first.
(03:36):
You just,
Lee (03:37):
I, I cautioned her.
I was like, you don't alwayshave to be the first.
And then the white little dresscame right off.
So, yes.
Tramp (03:44):
Yes it did.
And, and it's like taking off abandaid.
You may be a little nervous andthen once it happens, you're
like, I'm free.
Liz (03:50):
Yeah.
It was fun.
It was a lot of fun.
And so we said, Hmm, what funcould we do the next night?
Mm-hmm.
So I said, let's go to the stripclub.
Ah.
He's like, it's warming up.
Yes.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Elle (04:05):
I thought
Liz (04:07):
we missed a step there.
So yeah.
Good.
So we went to strip club numberone.
Okay.
And walked through.
And
Lee (04:16):
husband daycare is what he said.
Yes.
Ladies dropped your husband'soff at husband daycare.
Liz (04:20):
That's true.
That's true.
Yep.
It was a bouncer outside justcalling it out.
Oh, exactly what it is.
Exactly.
Drop your husband's here.
And I'm like, well, I'm joiningmy husband.
So, right.
Yeah.
So we went in and a young femaleapproached us and I was like,
sure, let's, let's get a lapdance.
(04:40):
So we go off to a little roomand this is where you kick in.
What were your thoughts on that?
Lee (04:47):
So I guess my history is.
I've never really been to stripclubs.
I've never, it's never been mything.
I've never gone to them, never.
Just enjoyed strip clubs.
It wasn't my thing.
And when my beautiful wife islike, let's go do this, of
course, I just say, sure, let'sgo.
Sounds like fun.
Mm-hmm.
And then having this not to agemyself, but this young female
(05:08):
that was naked very attractive.
Give me a lap dance.
I just realized that's not mything.
So I was like, maybe stripclubs.
I really are not where I'm gonnaenjoy myself.
And she said, okay, well, wewalk out and in Key West on
Duval Street, there's lots ofstrip clubs.
She's like, let's try anotherone.
I said, okay.
Liz (05:28):
And it just isn't the right strip club.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And she, she was, she doesn'tsee, the first time she was like
young, early twenties.
Probably like a size zero.
You can't get outta your headwith that one.
Yeah.
And he's just like not so much.
So we went to strip club numbertwo, and I walk in and I'm like,
okay, pick your girl.
(05:48):
Look around.
Pick your girl.
Lee (05:50):
Then I told her, I don't think it works that way.
And she says, yes it does.
You're in a strip club.
And I'm like, okay.
So then I saw a lady that wasvery attractive dancing on the
stage.
I said, okay, how about her?
Because then I'm thinking she'son the stage and then she walks
right off the stage.
Liz (06:05):
So I walk up to her and I was like, I would like to get a
lap dance for my husband and I,and she's like, I will be right
back.
She comes and finds us and takesus back to the room and we do
what?
Two songs?
Lee (06:17):
I think so,
Liz (06:17):
yeah.
And she was.
Was playing with me.
She was playing with him.
And in Key West, like as long asyou are not, as they say,
touching the kitty Uhhuh, youare good to go.
You can touch anything else.
You can touch anything else.
Yes.
Can you kiss maybe in the moreexpensive?
Sure.
(06:38):
For sure.
Yes.
Lee (06:39):
That wasn't our experience.
There was no kissing,
Liz (06:41):
no.
So after that he seemed to bethoroughly enjoying himself.
And so they were like, well, doyou wanna go to the upgrade?
And I'm like, sure.
Also known as the champagneroom.
There you go.
So we walk like across the hallinto a bigger room that has a
couch, and they come in and dothe transaction and bring in
(07:02):
your bottle of champagne.
And, and by the transaction theytake your.
Your money at that
Elle (07:07):
point?
Yes.
Okay.
Oh, you have to pay ahead oftime.
They don't collect after swipeyour, yeah, swipe your card.
Liz (07:11):
Yes.
Okay.
And they don't take AmericanExpress.
Oh, oh, yeah.
So I, I whipped that card out.
She's like, no, we don't takethat here.
Can't.
What I've learned though, Ithink you can pretty much then
cancel your transaction withAmerican Express.
Oh.
And you looked so they don'ttake it is the gist that I got
from it.
So, yeah.
So gave them another credit cardand the fun begins.
(07:35):
So we were in there and she wasvery acrobatic and has on these
spiky heels, and by this timehe's all like, okay, just take a
breath, like, settle down.
She was too much.
She was, she was, I mean, shewas nice and, but she was.
All over in that little room,and he's like, you're gonna poke
(07:57):
one of our eyes out with yourshoes.
Like, take, take a breath.
And so then she's now sitting onhis lap and he's rubbing her
shoulders.
And that was kind of like thefirst time I've ever seen my
husband have any sort ofinteraction with a female.
And I'm like, oh, here we go.
(08:18):
What's happening?
And I'm just.
Yeah, let me just drink somechampagne.
It'll be better.
It'll be good.
So, so you weren't sure how youlike felt about that?
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm glad that he'senjoying it.
I'm having a good time.
Because I was involved.
It wasn't just him and her, shewas very much involving me.
I mean, he's now getting twowomen's boobs rubbed in his face
(08:40):
and who
Elle (08:40):
doesn't want them?
Yeah,
Liz (08:41):
exactly.
He was thoroughly enjoying it.
But the, I don't wanna saycaressing, just the.
Lighter side of him, ofmassaging her shoulders.
And he is like, take a break,just relax.
And I'm like, ho, ho.
Like that's, he does that to me.
Like I'm not quite sure how Ifeel about this.
And I'm like, let just, just letme keep drinking.
(09:01):
It'll be fine.
Lemme keep drinking.
Oh no.
So
Lee (09:05):
yeah, I was with the spinning and everything else.
I think I caught her off guard.
I was like, you need to stop.
And she's like, what?
Like looking at me.
Like, what?
What's going on?
I was like, you just need toslow down.
Just relax.
We're here to have fun.
Come on over, sit down, rubbedher shoulders.
She's like, okay.
She was on, she seemed a littlebit uneasy at that point, just
(09:26):
not doing her normal show.
Tramp (09:28):
Yeah.
It was the, a break of theroutine, right?
Lee (09:30):
Yes, yes.
And then she's like, all right,and
Elle (09:32):
then you're off off your game.
You're not sure what to do.
She was,
Lee (09:35):
we were fine.
Yeah.
But then she got comfortable,realized that we're just normal
people.
We're not looking to doanything.
You know, unauthorized orwhatever.
And then she started relaxingand just had a good
conversation.
Of course, boobs were out.
It was amazing.
And then she had to apologize.
She goes, I'm sorry, I may havesome wetness on your shorts
(09:58):
because you got me wet.
And I was like, oh, okay.
I really had not been in a stripclub, so I didn't know if that
was normal or not.
Liz (10:05):
I
Elle (10:06):
don't know that it is.
Tramp (10:06):
I've had a couple experiences, but no, I can
honestly say that my shorts havenever been left moist, shall we
say.
Liz (10:15):
So I think it was that she could just relax.
Yeah.
And somebody was showing herattention and.
For lack of better words,affection.
And Lee's a handsome guy.
Yes.
Yes, he has.
He has this, you got that goingfor him.
So when she said that, I waslike, oh, okay, here.
Okay.
This is, this is different.
This is weird.
So then the offer was to move upto the more expensive room where
(10:39):
From there, yes.
It was like 15 or$1,800.
Double champagne room.
Oh, the diamond room.
Yeah.
And I think that was prettymuch, did that hit the limit
there?
Anything goes?
Oh, in that room?
Yes.
Wow.
To like, and you could just goto a sex club and get that
anyway.
Well, yes, for not readingahead.
(10:59):
$1,800.
Lee (11:01):
Not for newbies.
'cause you don't know about sexclubs.
That's, that's true.
At this point we did not
Liz (11:06):
up, so we leave there.
'cause he's like, no, like, no,this, this was enough.
You know?
And so then we went back to theGarden of Eden.
The clothing optional bar.
Yes.
Lee (11:16):
To close out the night.
Liz (11:17):
Yes.
And I think before I evenstepped foot on the dance floor,
I was completely naked.
Lee (11:23):
No,
Liz (11:24):
no,
Lee (11:24):
no.
You were still a reserve.
There was a lot more nakedpeople up there.
Completely naked men and women.
So you
Liz (11:30):
weren't the first one?
No, not, not that night.
Okay.
Yes.
But there was also nowhere tosit that night.
So it's, there's like benches onthe, do you, do you wanna sit
when
Elle (11:41):
you're naked?
Liz (11:41):
Outer side?
Well, when you're sitting thereclothed and you're enjoying the
atmosphere, sure.
But when we got up there, therewere no open seats, so kind of
like, and it was busy.
Okay?
We're just in the middle of thedance floor, okay?
Lee (11:56):
So for her very type A personality and us to work, she
likes me to take charge.
So at that point I said, let'sgo dance.
She knows I can't dance.
So.
We go out in the middle of thedance floor and I'm doing the
best I can to dance.
Aw.
And Liz is being very patientwith me.
And then I run my hands up alongher thighs, grab a hold of her
(12:17):
dress and then pull it up overher head.
And then there she is completelynaked In the very middle of the
dance floor.
Yeah.
In front of everybody.
Elle (12:26):
Oh.
Liz (12:26):
That's kind of sexy.
It's
Lee (12:27):
very sexy.
Liz (12:28):
Yeah.
No panties, nothing.
I was completely naked.
Wow.
Yep.
And mind you, I had a lot ofchampagne, so, Right,
Elle (12:38):
right, right.
And you'd seen quite a littleshow, so maybe that turned you
on a little bit.
Liz (12:44):
A little bit.
But I think there was a littlemore alcohol involved and I was
just going with it.
Yeah.
But it took a little bit of aturn that there was a couple
across from US dancing, and bothof them were completely naked.
So Lee stayed dressed.
I mean, he had his hands fullwith me.
Sure, sure.
And my dress, so you know.
(13:05):
Yes, that's right.
His hands
Elle (13:06):
were full of your dress.
I think he has his hands fullwith
Liz (13:09):
you.
Anyway, but go on.
And so I just kind of keptlooking at her and even
throughout our relationship youhave that quote fantasy like,
oh, wouldn't you wanna have athreesome?
And what would that be like?
And obviously it had neverhappened.
So I'm looking at this girl,she's very attractive and I'm
like, oh.
(13:29):
And she's looking at me and I'mlooking at her and next thing
you know, security's like lastcall.
Oh, I thought security wascoming to break it up.
No.
So then she's like, oh my God, Iwanted to come up to you so many
times.
And I was like, you should have,like, I have my arms wide open.
Like come.
Take a feel, whatever.
(13:50):
Yeah.
And so she started kissinganother girl and I was like,
well, hold up.
Right?
So I walk around the side of thetable that they're on and I
start touching her.
And at that point, her husbandtook my hand off of her body and
put it on his erect penis.
Mm-hmm.
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And started as he had control ofmy hand stroking his penis.
Okay.
Lee comes around the side of thetable and is like, whoa.
Oh.
And he's like, let me join theparty.
And now he's taking out hispenis, and now I have two
occupied hands on penises.
That's a girl to do.
(14:31):
And I'm like, I'm liking it.
And then security's like,seriously, wrap it up.
We're done.
You close on.
Yeah.
When they're done, they're done.
So we get our clothes back onbefore we are getting yelled at
Davian Moore and.
Grab the Uber and head back tothe hotel, but the husband was
like, where are we going next?
And the wife's like, we have aflight in the morning.
Get your clothes on.
Oh.
(14:51):
So yeah, I've been in
Tramp (14:53):
that situation.
It wasn't in Key West, but inVegas where you end up staying
up all night and then you'relike, oh, we have a flight to
catch.
And yeah,
Liz (15:02):
it's not good.
No.
So luckily we didn't have aflight, so we went back to the
hotel and the champagne wastaking hold and I no longer
drink champagne.
Oh yes.
Right.
Ew.
Yeah.
So he was taking care of me andhe laid, awake, concerned about
how I was doing and, and alsokind of like replaying it in his
(15:24):
head and woke up the nextmorning and we talked and now
you have to give yourperspective on that.
Lee (15:32):
We had amazing sex.
Liz (15:33):
That's true.
Mm-hmm.
We don't, we have amazing sexthough.
Lee (15:37):
When children interfere.
That seems fair.
It's true.
I'll just leave it at that.
Yeah.
Not interfere, but they're inthe house.
Yeah.
So that's the only time.
That's true.
Every other time it's great.
Liz (15:48):
We have to be a little quieter.
Lee (15:49):
Yes.
And for you that's verydifficult.
But I enjoy that.
Right.
Right.
So we, we did that.
We started looking at different,this was an adults only
vacation.
We didn't have children.
It was just us.
Really Hadn't done that.
Had we done that up to thispoint where it was just, just a
vacation, not a work trip, not aconference.
Liz (16:08):
No.
I think this was the first onein our relationship.
So
Lee (16:12):
we decided that we really, and we'd been together six years
at that point, and we need tostart doing this more often.
So we started looking at adultsonly options.
Then came across temptation inCancun.
I said, let's do it.
Let's just go ahead and do it.
We'll see what it's like.
You could
Elle (16:30):
be naked.
Lee (16:31):
Well
Liz (16:32):
topless.
Well topless.
It's topless.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Lee (16:34):
yeah.
Liz (16:35):
Which, yeah.
At that time I had boob jobnumber one done.
So I'm like, sure, let's go.
Right.
You know?
Lee (16:42):
Yep.
I'll come off.
Liz (16:44):
No problem.
Lee (16:45):
We got into the groups and for went to newbie.
I'd recommend getting into anytype of telegram groups,
Facebook groups any of thegroups that are out there,
because in general those groupsare extremely helpful.
It's people that have beenthrough it, people that know,
okay, use this transport fromCancun instead of taking a taxi
d little things.
(17:05):
Right.
That just makes your experienceso much more positive.
And then,
Liz (17:10):
but before we got to temptation, so from Key West in
July.
Yes.
You're talking last July?
Yes.
A year ago.
Yes.
July
Lee (17:21):
of 24 is when we Okay.
Kind of dipped our toes in.
Liz (17:24):
Okay.
So that just, you know, when wewoke up the next morning and he
was like, I'm not gonna lie, Ireally liked seeing you with two
penises in your hands.
That was really hot.
And I'm like.
Oh, he could have been upset.
Yes.
And he was not.
No, he was not.
I mean, I think he was upset atfirst because he didn't know how
(17:45):
it went down.
And then once I explained to himthat, I was like, no, you saw I
was touching her and by the timeyou rounded the table, this is
what had actually happened.
I just didn't dive right intohis penis and it was like, let
me feel it.
And so after we like talkedabout that, he was still like,
it, it was still hot.
Like, okay.
Yes.
Good, good.
And so that really then dove usmore into looking and talking
(18:11):
and reading and discussing whatif, like, do we do this?
Like this is really hot.
Like wow.
And just talking about it was aturn on for both of us.
And so did you even look in
Elle (18:26):
locally for anything around here?
Or did you look like where canwe travel to do this?
Because it'd be crazy to thinkthat we had something like this
in our own backyard.
Lee (18:37):
Yeah.
We, we were keeping it, we hadthe idea of keeping it separate
at that point.
Liz (18:43):
Right.
Vacation only.
Right?
Yes.
That went out the window.
But yes, we had talked becauseit was Key West, and then we
had, we're going to temptationand we're like, okay, this is
just, this is gonna be avacation thing.
Like we only, there's some
Tramp (18:54):
people who successfully keep it that way, but True.
Yeah.
I don't think, it's not in mywheelhouse.
Liz (18:59):
No.
It.
It has not become ours.
No.
So it changed quickly.
But that is also something thatwe learned very quickly, that
we're doing a lot of reading anda lot of conversing, and we're
like, okay, we have thisboundary and we have this
boundary, and oh my God, I couldnot even imagine that happening.
And nope, nope, we're gonna havethis boundary too.
(19:21):
And when we were in temptationand met a great group of people
there was a couple that.
Really was very welcoming to us.
That was like, if you have anyquestions, don't hesitate to
ask.
And so it was really nice andhim and I had talked about it
and we're like, okay, would webe open to play with this
(19:41):
couple?
They seemed very receptive andunderstanding our position, and
we're like, sure.
So we met up for breakfast onemorning and it happened to be.
A rainy day, so we were notgonna be in the pool.
Oh yeah.
And they had had something to doon the inside.
Right.
And they had a jacuzzi on theirbalcony, so we were all in the
tower.
(20:02):
And so we met for breakfast andwe're like, okay.
And they invited us up and wewent back to their room and
conversed some more.
And then they were like, we've,we've, we're a little nervous
too, because we've never, we'venever had newbies, so.
Oh, you guys are nervous.
And we're nervous, so we're alljust gonna do this together.
(20:23):
So we're like, let's jump in.
Okay.
Here, like, here we go.
And so we just started in thehot tub and we're all naked and
we're talking, and then it goesfrom there.
Lee (20:35):
So these people, I guess for newbies, if they're worried
about going to temptation or anyother type of club, oh my gosh,
am I gonna be attacked?
Am I not gonna be able to relax?
Is it just gonna be a nonstopbarrage?
Our experience is it's none ofthat.
It is.
You could go to some of theseresorts, enjoy yourself.
If you don't talk to anybody,there may not be, they may be
(20:58):
alone.
There may be nobody that comesup and talks to you.
It is going out to make friendstalking, et cetera.
This couple was in one of thegroups.
And we kind of had not, not,it's built in friends, if you
will.
You know people.
Mm-hmm.
You can hang out with them.
You can go get drinks, havedinner, and get to know them a
little bit better
Liz (21:17):
because not, sorry, not everybody in this group is in
the lifestyle.
Right.
They just like the sexyenvironment and
Elle (21:23):
Very true.
Especially going to Temptations.
I think that's less lifestylethan say, desire.
Yes.
Tramp (21:29):
But the same happens at desire.
You have people who Oh yeah.
Just like to be fully naked.
Elle (21:33):
Yep.
Tramp (21:33):
And but have no intention.
They may be voyeurs orexhibitionists.
Mm-hmm.
But that's their limit.
Liz (21:41):
Yeah.
Lee (21:42):
And that's part of the interesting part that we've
discovered is there are so manydifferent varieties of people.
And the other thing that we'veseen, it's, again, your mileage
may vary, but ours is everybodyis so accepting.
Everybody is welcoming and notonly accepting, but they seem to
(22:02):
be understanding.
So we've met several couplesthat don't play, but they like
to hang out and we have a greattime with them.
Mm-hmm.
And they're a sexy couple, butwe know their boundaries and we
still have a great time withthem.
That's awesome.
Elle (22:16):
That's nice.
You know, you can have like veryopen conversations with them
that you don't normally, aren'tnormally able to have with Yes.
People you just meet Very
Liz (22:25):
much so, yes.
So we did our first swap atTemptation.
And so it was a full swap.
It was a full swap.
I mean, wow.
Went to town.
Okay.
We, we did, we just, you know,we're not the, let's dip our toe
in the water.
If we're going, we're cannonballing it.
Let's just, we're going rightinto the deep end.
Yeah.
Yes.
And so we did.
So that was
Lee (22:44):
October of 24.
24.
So three months later.
And
Liz (22:47):
how was it?
Lee (22:48):
So I guess this is for the newbies.
You don't know until you'rethere.
And people want advice.
They want to know what's on theother side of that door.
And you're not gonna know untilyou open it.
Yeah.
So as I'm watching my extremelybeautiful wife and then another
(23:08):
man is powered and erect, and Isaid, how am I gonna feel?
So I watched him enter her and Iwas like, this is really, really
hot.
And my whole life, it's a lot oflike.
Trying to, to mental issues anddeal with this.
Like, why is this so hot?
Why is this attractive?
I've always been told that thisis not okay.
(23:30):
And then learned aboutcompersion later on.
But Liz over here having orgasmsand me witnessing that, even if
it's not me, is amazing.
So I enjoyed her enjoying it andthen fed off of that.
Liz (23:49):
I was a little different.
Oh.
I struggled with it a littlebit.
There were, I mean, everybodyhas sex noises, right?
Sure, sure.
But now hearing my husband andthese sex noises that I'm like,
I could not stay in the momentof me and this other gentleman.
(24:12):
Mm-hmm.
Because there was just a lot ofsquishing.
Going on.
Oh, that noise is coming out ofhis mouth.
But squishing.
Yes, she was, she was very, verywet uhhuh.
And so I'm like, oh, whoa.
Okay.
Alright, we're gonna get throughthis.
And so we did and we laughed andwe went back to our room and we
(24:32):
did not really.
Other than the tantric massage,we we were held up in our room
for a while with reclaiming sexand I think I can do this if
this is like what I getafterwards.
Okay.
Like, whoa.
And so again, more talking, morewhat ifs more, what part of it
(24:53):
did you like?
What part of it didn't you like?
And listening to him and waslike, yeah, watching you was
really hot.
And, I can't say that yet.
I struggled with that in the,after our first swap.
And they were very friendly,they were very understanding.
But they were also very, let'sdo this again.
And I'm no.
We have two days left of ourvacation.
(25:14):
We had this 90 minute massagescheduled and we're still.
Enjoying our reclaiming.
And so it was like, no, no.
We need, we need a break.
We need, we need some separationand just let us come back to us.
So,
Tramp (25:30):
I mean, I think that's pretty spectacular.
Not only your communication,which we pound on, seems like
every single episode, everyepisode, episode, episode.
But for lead, for you to say,you're basically like me in the
sense of, oh, you are naturallycoersive.
You know, you, you enjoywatching your significant other
and that really charges you.
(25:54):
It does.
Whereas for Liz, it's, there maybe a little jealousy component,
but the reclamation is, isreally fires it off for you, but
you understand each other.
That's the key there.
Through your own communicationand being able to come back
together and find middle groundthere.
Liz (26:11):
Yes, and he's been so supportive.
Like after all of ourinteractions, we've always
talked and it's gotten easier.
It just, it didn't occurnaturally like it did for him.
And I don't know if naturally isa word, but I guess so.
I mean, you didn't have to fightit, it just, you were in awe.
And,
Tramp (26:32):
but it doesn't mean that there may not be things in the
future that he may have aproblem with.
But again, as long as youcommunicate.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
Lee (26:42):
So there, there are things that I don't necessarily enjoy.
We talk about those and westarted with a very strong
relationship.
So that is at the core thatwe're the most important things
to each other.
Nothing will ever take overthat.
There will never be anythingthat we will force each other
into doing.
(27:02):
Liz had to go down for a couplemonths for a surgery in the
middle of this, so.
There was, I asked her justyesterday, do you didn't feel
pressure or anything in that twomonths to go to clubs to do
whatever while you were healing?
And she said No.
And I said, okay, we did this.
Right.
So we've been,
Liz (27:19):
yeah,
Lee (27:20):
officially in the game since October.
So a good, what, seven monthsand two of it, we took a break.
Yeah.
And it's focusing on each otherand yeah, it's open
communication when there arethings that we don't.
Expect things that we don'trealize are gonna happen.
We talk about it after the factbecause we're all humans.
(27:42):
You don't know how you're gonnareact in that situation.
You don't know how you're gonnafeel until some of these things
happen.
But going back to thecommunication with boundaries
for newbies, you can have amillion boundaries and you're
gonna have a milliondisappointments.
And yeah, been there, done that.
If you have a strongrelationship with your partner.
(28:03):
Would you wanna say what ourboundaries are?
Are you comfortable with that,Liz?
Liz (28:06):
Yeah.
Lee (28:07):
We've come down to really two because everybody we've met
in the lifestyle has beenmature, responsible adults, and
they've been great and they'vebeen understanding.
So the only two rules we reallyhave are we play in the same
room.
We don't separate.
I feed off of her and get reallyexcited.
She gets excited off of me.
(28:28):
She likes playing with thegirls, so it all works together
in the same room.
And then the other is just if apenis is and vagina, there's a
condom.
So those are our two rulesbecause of STIs, pregnancies,
things like that doesn't meanit's foolproof.
But those are our two boundariesthat.
We keep.
So
Elle (28:49):
I think, I think when you're starting off, having a
bunch of boundaries, even ifit's more than necessary, is
good.
I think it gives you an elementof feeling you're in control
because you're going into asituation where you're maybe not
feeling like you're in controlof what's gonna happen, but you
are.
But you don't realize that untilyou go through it.
(29:10):
And so by having a number ofboundaries, like, okay, well
then we know this is exactlywhat we're okay with.
Then you move on from there.
And like you said, you, the moreyou do it, the more you're
there.
The boundaries seem to becomeless and less and just more
focused on how does that affectyou two?
Yes.
Liz (29:28):
And it was, you read on Reddit posts and you read on
Facebook posts and people talkabout, oh, if you're a no
kissing couple, you're anautomatic no.
Right?
And that was one of ourboundaries before we even
started playing.
Too intimate.
It is.
And then on our first swap,well, that boundary's out the
window because it's just anatural thing Right.
(29:49):
When you are being intimate withsomebody.
That it just, it was just anatural thing that I was like,
oh, okay, this isn't bad.
There's not there.
Emotion connected to it.
Yeah.
It's way different than when I'mkissing my husband.
Mm-hmm.
And so that was.
It was a very easy, I guess,boundary to be like, okay, we're
taking that one off the listwith that.
Yes.
So so yeah, when we firststarted in the What if
(30:12):
situations, the what if talksthat there was Oh yeah, we,
that, that, that's a boundary.
Oh yes.
Right.
And when actually talking aboutcoming to fruition for a swap,
well, that boundary kinda seemssilly right now.
And, and here we are.
It's okay.
You know, and here we are,we're, five months into it, is
that really, and.
We've had seven swaps and Ithink so, yeah.
(30:37):
That's really just what we havecome down to is that we are same
room and usually there's onlyone bed in the room, so same
bed.
Mm-hmm.
And condoms.
Safe play.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
So what did you say thismorning?
That we'll party with anybody,but we play with a select few.
(31:00):
Or a select group?
Lee (31:01):
Yes, we love to hang out.
We love to party, we love tohave fun, but there's only a few
that we'll play with.
So we enjoy the atmosphere.
If there's a connection, you cango through apps, you can go
through all these things, seethese incredibly attractive
people, and you can meet them inperson.
And it's crickets and it'snothing against them.
(31:21):
It's nothing against you.
There are certain people whenyou meet them.
You talk and it seems you cansit down for an hour and you've
known them for years, and thoseare the people that we generally
would play with versus justlooking for somebody that's
attractive
Liz (31:38):
or you meet them and realize that their pictures are
way outdated and I've had thatconversation before, or that
when they created the profile,they might have been of a
certain age and they are nolonger of that age.
We discovered one night at andOr wait, the ranch and or wait.
Yes.
Yes.
There's that too.
Yeah.
When we ran into a couple, wehad talked on an app and they
(32:01):
were there for his birthday andwas oh, how old are you?
We went back and we're like,okay.
Your current age does not matchwhat you have.
Not even.
Not even that.
It hasn't rolled over yet.
Yeah.
Elle (32:10):
Yeah.
Lee (32:11):
Well, the app said they started in 23 or 22.
And now the person's eight yearsolder, so I'm not good at math.
But if you don't update it,
Liz (32:22):
the math is not math then on that one.
No.
Yeah.
Yes.
Lee (32:25):
So all this comes back to is really people having their
voice or speaking up or knowingwhat they're comfortable with
versus just having boundaries.
If there's something that Liz isuncomfortable with, initially,
she was more reserved, more I'llgo along for the ride.
And now it's okay.
I really don't like this.
(32:45):
And approaching it as, would youdo this or try and do this or
hold it?
Hold it.
She is time out.
Well, no, the holding it is.
Do you care if I say Liz?
Sure.
So she is multi-orgasmic.
Oh yes.
She can have orgasms fairlyeasy.
She does her what really setsher over the edge.
(33:07):
If you ever meet Liz and you getthe chance mm-hmm.
Is she likes when she is ridingthat wave for the male to hold
it, not keep thrusting, notwhatever, hold it and she will
lose her mind.
So that is her voice and herthings that she's enjoying it
(33:28):
more.
And yeah, making it a positiveexperience.
Liz (33:33):
But continuing down the, let's just jump off the deep
end.
Yes.
We are going to desire inOctober.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
That's good.
So there's that.
And then we have a temptationcruise.
Uhhuh Uhhuh.
And then someone hit me up andwas like, bliss went on sale and
now we have a bliss cruisebooked.
Yep.
So yeah, we are just continuingraising that diving board a
(33:57):
little higher and just keepcannon balling in.
Here we go.
So, but he makes it easy becausehe is.
Such a caring person and healways has our best interest.
And at the end of the day, itcomes back to us and it's an
enhancement.
We don't have to do this and weare perfectly fine, just us, but
(34:23):
this is a little extra layer, alittle extra fun, and being in
that sexy environment and.
You know, the taboo ness of itand making it not a taboo thing.
Yeah.
And as he says, you are amazingand I love seeing you dress up
and be sexy and just going outand having a good time, and you
(34:45):
occasionally pop your boobs outand show'em off to everybody.
And he was like, and I'm overthere like, yes baby.
We always enjoyed that
Elle (34:52):
on Wednesday when we were all playing pool.
Yes, yes.
Lee (34:55):
Back to the, back to the ranch.
So we have all these vacationsplans.
Yes, we're gonna go experiencethings, see if we like it, see
if we don't.
And when we got back here, we,we have heard of the ranch.
We had seen the website and wewere really gonna try to keep it
like vacation only.
And then we realized, okay,vacations come and go.
(35:17):
And everybody we met atTemptation was.
Normal people like Well,adjusted crazy, right?
Normal people.
Yes.
Yes.
Who knew?
I know.
Yeah.
It's
Liz (35:27):
not like we walk around with this sticker on our head
and he's like, well, they liketo be freaky.
That's not Ron Jeremy
Elle (35:32):
walking around.
No.
Liz (35:34):
Yes.
Lee (35:35):
And I said, let's go to the ranch.
We'll have dinner.
We'll go On a Wednesday night.
A Thursday night, and we'll seewhat it's about.
Just to go visit.
And we were talking about that,and she always claims that I'm
the instigator.
And then next thing I know,here's an email that she's
joined with the membership andwe have reservations.
So I was like, I guess we'redoing this.
Liz (35:58):
You planted the seed.
I just gave it some water.
Lee (36:02):
And then we went there.
Had a great time, enjoyed it,loved the atmosphere.
And then we'll, oh, you don't
Liz (36:09):
wanna tell'em about our, our first encounter at the
ranch.
Lee (36:13):
You can
Liz (36:14):
it.
One of you Yes.
Needs to.
Yeah.
I've done a lot of speaking.
You should tell.
You
Lee (36:19):
have,
Liz (36:19):
you should
Elle (36:19):
tell the story.
Lee (36:20):
So for me, with that
Elle (36:22):
communication
Lee (36:24):
to be involved, to enjoy it, I need some sort of feedback
from the female.
So we met this couple.
Very attractive.
Very attractive.
And the whole night I was notgetting any type of feedback.
But then.
Their husband.
And then Liz was like, oh, she'sinto you.
She's into you.
(36:44):
And I was like, there is nothingthere.
So again, first time, first swaphere at the ranch where we said,
go ahead.
We're just gonna power through.
And it was a hot experience.
It was looking back on itenjoyable, but there were things
that I didn't enjoy thataffected us so.
(37:06):
That's where I first startedlimping along, if you will.
And I think a lot of it was noconnection on my side to the
female.
And for me I've realized at thispoint I kind of need something.
I don't need a full emotionalattachment.
I don't need
Liz (37:22):
you need interest.
Lee (37:23):
Yes.
Liz (37:24):
You just need her to express interest.
And yes, it did not happen thatnight.
No.
Lee (37:30):
And then we're being new.
And it was a overall, it was agood experience.
It just,
Liz (37:37):
it taught us It was a lesson.
Yeah.
You learned?
Yes.
Yeah.
It's a lesson.
Yes, it's a
Lee (37:40):
lesson.
We knew that they were greatpeople and we said, let's, they
did, they approach us aboutdinner.
Liz (37:47):
Yeah.
Lee (37:48):
They said, let's go to dinner.
And then being newbies, like,does that mean sex?
Does that mean what's going on?
No, it's just dinner.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you need to communicateeven with people in the
lifestyle, you'll talk.
So we went to have dinner andthrough that it was a week or
two later.
Liz (38:04):
Yeah, it was relatively
Lee (38:05):
soon.
Yeah.
And the, the female was stillvery standoffish.
I'm like, okay, it's fine.
That's just how this person is.
And then the husband had anamazing time and is reliving
everything where he didn't readthe room, where I didn't have
necessarily a great time.
And at that point decided, okay,they're a great couple, they're
(38:28):
amazing, they're veryattractive, but this isn't,
we'll, we'll be friends withthem, but we're not gonna play
with them.
So I made that decision and Lizdidn't have any issues with that
because it comes back to uswhere.
Every couple has their owndynamics, and it's what may be
right for us does not mean it'sright for you, but for us, she
has the veto power.
If I'm, she thinks,
Liz (38:50):
well, we both have veto power, right?
It's not just me.
I mean,
Lee (38:53):
yes, well, if I've had more than one drink or whatever, and
you're like, okay, you're done.
And I realize I'm notintoxicated at all.
It just goes back to that trustand respect that I have for Liz.
That okay, I'm done and Irespect her wishes and we
respect each other.
So we lived and learned,
Liz (39:10):
that's not the story I thought you were gonna tell,
but, okay.
Oh my gosh, no.
What is the
Lee (39:15):
first story?
Liz (39:15):
The very first night we were at the ranch.
Oh.
Let's talk funny stuff.
Okay.
Yes, yes.
So we are, yeah.
We'll, we'll let you
Tramp (39:21):
guys tell that one and then we'll okay.
We'll probably kind of wrap itup'cause
Liz (39:25):
mm-hmm.
So the first night at the ranchit's a slower night.
It's a Wednesday or a Thursday.
Lee (39:31):
Yeah.
Liz (39:32):
And we had dinner and then we decided, okay, let's go
downstairs and play.
I mean, it's just him and I andlet's break this in, right?
Yep.
And so we go down and go intoone of the rooms and we're like,
huh.
So we left the curtainspartially open and Oh, yeah, for
newbies who don't know, andcurtains are closed, you leave
them alone.
And if they're partially open,they wanna watch.
(39:52):
And if they're fully open,potentially join.
So ours were partially open.
Not that there were a lot ofpeople there, so let it be.
We were, we were a little busyfor quite a while.
Do you
Lee (40:03):
wanna say which cabana it was?
Liz (40:04):
No, we don't need to.
Lee (40:06):
It was at the bottom of the stairs.
Yeah.
So everybody comes down.
Sorry.
That's gonna be the first thingyou see as you're
Liz (40:09):
coming in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Full.
So, yep.
So we decide to take a break andwalk around and see if anybody
is out on the four top and foursquare, four top, something like
that.
Mm-hmm.
And we come back to our room andI thought I had.
Close the curtains back to wherethey were before partially open.
(40:29):
Apparently I did not.
And we are going at it hot andheavy and I am yelling out Yes.
As I'm having a amazing release.
And next thing I know there's asingle guy is like, can I join
you?
And Lee's like, we justfinished.
Like literally we, we justfinished and I was like.
What, what, what's going on?
But you've been saying yes, yes,yes.
(40:51):
So as he's throwing thatquestion in there and I'm
yelling out Yes, there was likethat perfect timing.
And Lee's like, no, like no, we,we, sorry.
Thank you for asking what we, wejust finished.
And so I was
Lee (41:03):
legitimately climaxing as she's yelling.
Yes.
He comes up, may I join you?
Very polite.
Yes.
That's dumb.
No, it's very polite.
Yeah.
And not disrespectful in anyway.
She's yelling.
Yes.
I swear I hear a metal beltbuckle unlatched.
I was like, no, sorry, we justfinished.
Liz (41:22):
So that was, you know, we had some good laughs about that
on the way hall.
That is funny.
Yes.
There's a lesson learned on thatone too.
Yes, there was.
Yes, there was.
Tramp (41:30):
Guys, that was some just amazing information and good
stories.
Just good stories.
Thank you.
Truly, thank you for joining usthis evening.
Liz (41:40):
Yeah, thank you for having us.
Anytime.
Please come back and, well, wemay have, especially after you
desire had your, yeah.
Multiple adventures aftertemptation and then after place
we're not new anymore.
Yes, I know.
I'm like, at what point does thenew car smell wear off?
Right?
Like, is it months?
Is it miles?
Is it, what is it?
So I
Elle (42:00):
don't think there's an actual answer to that.
As long as you're still havingfun, that's all that matters.
Yes.
That's
Tramp (42:05):
what matters.
Since this episode ran a littlelong, we're going to save our a
MA for next week, but we do haveone.
Yay.
And we're just so thankful thatall you guys just continue to
listen and, and come on thisjourney with us.
We can be reached atunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
(42:26):
Our website is alsowww.unapologeticswingers.com and
wherever you happen to belistening to us the biggest ask
that we have is just leave us areview, maybe some kind words.
And we just love getting allthat feedback.
Elle (42:41):
Yeah, it, really does mean a lot to us.
When somebody sends us a noteback or just.
It tells us that they like itand that they're enjoying the
podcast and what we're doing.
Mm-hmm.
Because we're sure having fun.
Tramp (42:53):
But it is a labor of love without a doubt.
Elle (42:55):
Yep.
Yeah.
We're not getting rich off ofthis.
Tramp (42:57):
Oh, no.
Elle (43:00):
Until next time, I'm Elle and
Tramp (43:02):
I'm the tramp.
Elle (43:03):
Be sexy,
Tramp (43:03):
be confident.
Elle (43:05):
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we are just sothankful that you're continuing
to come on this journey with usand it's a lot of fun just
looking at the analytics fromthe past episodes and
Elle (00:18):
Right.
Tramp (00:19):
Seeing that we.
I don't just have listeners,here in Colorado or just here in
the States.
It's
Elle (00:25):
all over the world.
Oh my gosh.
It's been so fun to look to see.
And we won't call anyone out'cause you might be the only
person there and everybody wouldknow then.
Right.
Tramp (00:35):
But we're just so thankful and just a little bit
about the podcast.
This is just our journeys and,our highs and lows and
everything in between.
And we do it for fun.
Yes, we do it just to connectwith people and to get those
emails and try to help peoplethrough, some of the things that
we have done on the, on the highside, and try to avoid some of
(01:00):
the things that we'veexperienced on the low side.
Elle (01:02):
Right?
The little warning foreforewarning.
Well, and I think what we'vereally enjoyed about the whole
thing is putting our own friendson the podcast, they're
interesting stories and how theygot to this point and how they
got here.
So I'm really excited becauseour friends, Liz and Lee said
(01:23):
that they were willing to comeon the podcast and talk, and
they're fairly new, so it bringsa different.
Aspect to it and we've reallyhad a lot of fun getting to know
them and their stories and theirreal lives and everything.
So welcome Liz and Lee and we'reexcited to have you here today.
(01:46):
Thank you.
Thank you for having us.
Tramp (01:47):
Well, thank you much.
Thank you for joining us guys.
Elle (01:48):
Yeah.
So I always wanna know and howyou guys got here, what is.
The story behind Liz and Lee arenow in the lifestyle and take
off their clothes for fun.
Tramp (02:03):
It's funny because everyone's journey is unique.
It's different.
Everyone's gonna have a twist toturn somewhere, and it's just so
fun to learn about.
Liz (02:13):
Our twist and turns started in Key West on a vacation.
And we've always vanillavacation.
Yes, it was a vanilla vacation.
We've always had a very fun andintense sex life, and so we just
went to Key West and there was aplace that you can be clothes
(02:36):
list.
Is that the right word?
Clothing.
Clothing.
Optional.
Optional.
There we go.
Clothing optional.
And we had kind of talked aboutit and during the day we walked
by and I was like, Hmm, no, thatdoesn't really look like I want
to venture there.
And I don't know, Thursdaynight, Friday night rolled
(02:56):
around and we're like, let's go.
Let's go do it.
And so we went and Whoa, whoa,whoa.
Elle (03:02):
Jay and I had dinner with you guys the other night.
I'm gonna dial this back just alittle bit because I know for a
fact that you went somewhereelse before you went to this bar
and that kind of got you in themood for some things.
Liz (03:16):
Well, we went the first night there.
Okay.
And we had a repeat secondnight.
So the first night we went justto check it out and we were up
there and nobody was takingtheir clothes off and.
Here I go.
I'm like, ah, let's go.
Someone's gotta do it.
And he's like, no, no, no.
You don't have to be the first,you don't have to be the first.
(03:36):
You just,
Lee (03:37):
I, I cautioned her.
I was like, you don't alwayshave to be the first.
And then the white little dresscame right off.
So, yes.
Tramp (03:44):
Yes it did.
And, and it's like taking off abandaid.
You may be a little nervous andthen once it happens, you're
like, I'm free.
Liz (03:50):
Yeah.
It was fun.
It was a lot of fun.
And so we said, Hmm, what funcould we do the next night?
Mm-hmm.
So I said, let's go to the stripclub.
Ah.
He's like, it's warming up.
Yes.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Elle (04:05):
I thought
Liz (04:07):
we missed a step there.
So yeah.
Good.
So we went to strip club numberone.
Okay.
And walked through.
And
Lee (04:16):
husband daycare is what he said.
Yes.
Ladies dropped your husband'soff at husband daycare.
Liz (04:20):
That's true.
That's true.
Yep.
It was a bouncer outside justcalling it out.
Oh, exactly what it is.
Exactly.
Drop your husband's here.
And I'm like, well, I'm joiningmy husband.
So, right.
Yeah.
So we went in and a young femaleapproached us and I was like,
sure, let's, let's get a lapdance.
(04:40):
So we go off to a little roomand this is where you kick in.
What were your thoughts on that?
Lee (04:47):
So I guess my history is.
I've never really been to stripclubs.
I've never, it's never been mything.
I've never gone to them, never.
Just enjoyed strip clubs.
It wasn't my thing.
And when my beautiful wife islike, let's go do this, of
course, I just say, sure, let'sgo.
Sounds like fun.
Mm-hmm.
And then having this not to agemyself, but this young female
(05:08):
that was naked very attractive.
Give me a lap dance.
I just realized that's not mything.
So I was like, maybe stripclubs.
I really are not where I'm gonnaenjoy myself.
And she said, okay, well, wewalk out and in Key West on
Duval Street, there's lots ofstrip clubs.
She's like, let's try anotherone.
I said, okay.
Liz (05:28):
And it just isn't the right strip club.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And she, she was, she doesn'tsee, the first time she was like
young, early twenties.
Probably like a size zero.
You can't get outta your headwith that one.
Yeah.
And he's just like not so much.
So we went to strip club numbertwo, and I walk in and I'm like,
okay, pick your girl.
(05:48):
Look around.
Pick your girl.
Lee (05:50):
Then I told her, I don't think it works that way.
And she says, yes it does.
You're in a strip club.
And I'm like, okay.
So then I saw a lady that wasvery attractive dancing on the
stage.
I said, okay, how about her?
Because then I'm thinking she'son the stage and then she walks
right off the stage.
Liz (06:05):
So I walk up to her and I was like, I would like to get a
lap dance for my husband and I,and she's like, I will be right
back.
She comes and finds us and takesus back to the room and we do
what?
Two songs?
Lee (06:17):
I think so,
Liz (06:17):
yeah.
And she was.
Was playing with me.
She was playing with him.
And in Key West, like as long asyou are not, as they say,
touching the kitty Uhhuh, youare good to go.
You can touch anything else.
You can touch anything else.
Yes.
Can you kiss maybe in the moreexpensive?
Sure.
(06:38):
For sure.
Yes.
Lee (06:39):
That wasn't our experience.
There was no kissing,
Liz (06:41):
no.
So after that he seemed to bethoroughly enjoying himself.
And so they were like, well, doyou wanna go to the upgrade?
And I'm like, sure.
Also known as the champagneroom.
There you go.
So we walk like across the hallinto a bigger room that has a
couch, and they come in and dothe transaction and bring in
(07:02):
your bottle of champagne.
And, and by the transaction theytake your.
Your money at that
Elle (07:07):
point?
Yes.
Okay.
Oh, you have to pay ahead oftime.
They don't collect after swipeyour, yeah, swipe your card.
Liz (07:11):
Yes.
Okay.
And they don't take AmericanExpress.
Oh, oh, yeah.
So I, I whipped that card out.
She's like, no, we don't takethat here.
Can't.
What I've learned though, Ithink you can pretty much then
cancel your transaction withAmerican Express.
Oh.
And you looked so they don'ttake it is the gist that I got
from it.
So, yeah.
So gave them another credit cardand the fun begins.
(07:35):
So we were in there and she wasvery acrobatic and has on these
spiky heels, and by this timehe's all like, okay, just take a
breath, like, settle down.
She was too much.
She was, she was, I mean, shewas nice and, but she was.
All over in that little room,and he's like, you're gonna poke
(07:57):
one of our eyes out with yourshoes.
Like, take, take a breath.
And so then she's now sitting onhis lap and he's rubbing her
shoulders.
And that was kind of like thefirst time I've ever seen my
husband have any sort ofinteraction with a female.
And I'm like, oh, here we go.
(08:18):
What's happening?
And I'm just.
Yeah, let me just drink somechampagne.
It'll be better.
It'll be good.
So, so you weren't sure how youlike felt about that?
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm glad that he'senjoying it.
I'm having a good time.
Because I was involved.
It wasn't just him and her, shewas very much involving me.
I mean, he's now getting twowomen's boobs rubbed in his face
(08:40):
and who
Elle (08:40):
doesn't want them?
Yeah,
Liz (08:41):
exactly.
He was thoroughly enjoying it.
But the, I don't wanna saycaressing, just the.
Lighter side of him, ofmassaging her shoulders.
And he is like, take a break,just relax.
And I'm like, ho, ho.
Like that's, he does that to me.
Like I'm not quite sure how Ifeel about this.
And I'm like, let just, just letme keep drinking.
(09:01):
It'll be fine.
Lemme keep drinking.
Oh no.
So
Lee (09:05):
yeah, I was with the spinning and everything else.
I think I caught her off guard.
I was like, you need to stop.
And she's like, what?
Like looking at me.
Like, what?
What's going on?
I was like, you just need toslow down.
Just relax.
We're here to have fun.
Come on over, sit down, rubbedher shoulders.
She's like, okay.
She was on, she seemed a littlebit uneasy at that point, just
(09:26):
not doing her normal show.
Tramp (09:28):
Yeah.
It was the, a break of theroutine, right?
Lee (09:30):
Yes, yes.
And then she's like, all right,and
Elle (09:32):
then you're off off your game.
You're not sure what to do.
She was,
Lee (09:35):
we were fine.
Yeah.
But then she got comfortable,realized that we're just normal
people.
We're not looking to doanything.
You know, unauthorized orwhatever.
And then she started relaxingand just had a good
conversation.
Of course, boobs were out.
It was amazing.
And then she had to apologize.
She goes, I'm sorry, I may havesome wetness on your shorts
(09:58):
because you got me wet.
And I was like, oh, okay.
I really had not been in a stripclub, so I didn't know if that
was normal or not.
Liz (10:05):
I
Elle (10:06):
don't know that it is.
Tramp (10:06):
I've had a couple experiences, but no, I can
honestly say that my shorts havenever been left moist, shall we
say.
Liz (10:15):
So I think it was that she could just relax.
Yeah.
And somebody was showing herattention and.
For lack of better words,affection.
And Lee's a handsome guy.
Yes.
Yes, he has.
He has this, you got that goingfor him.
So when she said that, I waslike, oh, okay, here.
Okay.
This is, this is different.
This is weird.
So then the offer was to move upto the more expensive room where
(10:39):
From there, yes.
It was like 15 or$1,800.
Double champagne room.
Oh, the diamond room.
Yeah.
And I think that was prettymuch, did that hit the limit
there?
Anything goes?
Oh, in that room?
Yes.
Wow.
To like, and you could just goto a sex club and get that
anyway.
Well, yes, for not readingahead.
(10:59):
$1,800.
Lee (11:01):
Not for newbies.
'cause you don't know about sexclubs.
That's, that's true.
At this point we did not
Liz (11:06):
up, so we leave there.
'cause he's like, no, like, no,this, this was enough.
You know?
And so then we went back to theGarden of Eden.
The clothing optional bar.
Yes.
Lee (11:16):
To close out the night.
Liz (11:17):
Yes.
And I think before I evenstepped foot on the dance floor,
I was completely naked.
Lee (11:23):
No,
Liz (11:24):
no,
Lee (11:24):
no.
You were still a reserve.
There was a lot more nakedpeople up there.
Completely naked men and women.
So you
Liz (11:30):
weren't the first one?
No, not, not that night.
Okay.
Yes.
But there was also nowhere tosit that night.
So it's, there's like benches onthe, do you, do you wanna sit
when
Elle (11:41):
you're naked?
Liz (11:41):
Outer side?
Well, when you're sitting thereclothed and you're enjoying the
atmosphere, sure.
But when we got up there, therewere no open seats, so kind of
like, and it was busy.
Okay?
We're just in the middle of thedance floor, okay?
Lee (11:56):
So for her very type A personality and us to work, she
likes me to take charge.
So at that point I said, let'sgo dance.
She knows I can't dance.
So.
We go out in the middle of thedance floor and I'm doing the
best I can to dance.
Aw.
And Liz is being very patientwith me.
And then I run my hands up alongher thighs, grab a hold of her
(12:17):
dress and then pull it up overher head.
And then there she is completelynaked In the very middle of the
dance floor.
Yeah.
In front of everybody.
Elle (12:26):
Oh.
Liz (12:26):
That's kind of sexy.
It's
Lee (12:27):
very sexy.
Liz (12:28):
Yeah.
No panties, nothing.
I was completely naked.
Wow.
Yep.
And mind you, I had a lot ofchampagne, so, Right,
Elle (12:38):
right, right.
And you'd seen quite a littleshow, so maybe that turned you
on a little bit.
Liz (12:44):
A little bit.
But I think there was a littlemore alcohol involved and I was
just going with it.
Yeah.
But it took a little bit of aturn that there was a couple
across from US dancing, and bothof them were completely naked.
So Lee stayed dressed.
I mean, he had his hands fullwith me.
Sure, sure.
And my dress, so you know.
(13:05):
Yes, that's right.
His hands
Elle (13:06):
were full of your dress.
I think he has his hands fullwith
Liz (13:09):
you.
Anyway, but go on.
And so I just kind of keptlooking at her and even
throughout our relationship youhave that quote fantasy like,
oh, wouldn't you wanna have athreesome?
And what would that be like?
And obviously it had neverhappened.
So I'm looking at this girl,she's very attractive and I'm
like, oh.
(13:29):
And she's looking at me and I'mlooking at her and next thing
you know, security's like lastcall.
Oh, I thought security wascoming to break it up.
No.
So then she's like, oh my God, Iwanted to come up to you so many
times.
And I was like, you should have,like, I have my arms wide open.
Like come.
Take a feel, whatever.
(13:50):
Yeah.
And so she started kissinganother girl and I was like,
well, hold up.
Right?
So I walk around the side of thetable that they're on and I
start touching her.
And at that point, her husbandtook my hand off of her body and
put it on his erect penis.
Mm-hmm.
(14:10):
And started as he had control ofmy hand stroking his penis.
Okay.
Lee comes around the side of thetable and is like, whoa.
Oh.
And he's like, let me join theparty.
And now he's taking out hispenis, and now I have two
occupied hands on penises.
That's a girl to do.
(14:31):
And I'm like, I'm liking it.
And then security's like,seriously, wrap it up.
We're done.
You close on.
Yeah.
When they're done, they're done.
So we get our clothes back onbefore we are getting yelled at
Davian Moore and.
Grab the Uber and head back tothe hotel, but the husband was
like, where are we going next?
And the wife's like, we have aflight in the morning.
Get your clothes on.
Oh.
(14:51):
So yeah, I've been in
Tramp (14:53):
that situation.
It wasn't in Key West, but inVegas where you end up staying
up all night and then you'relike, oh, we have a flight to
catch.
And yeah,
Liz (15:02):
it's not good.
No.
So luckily we didn't have aflight, so we went back to the
hotel and the champagne wastaking hold and I no longer
drink champagne.
Oh yes.
Right.
Ew.
Yeah.
So he was taking care of me andhe laid, awake, concerned about
how I was doing and, and alsokind of like replaying it in his
(15:24):
head and woke up the nextmorning and we talked and now
you have to give yourperspective on that.
Lee (15:32):
We had amazing sex.
Liz (15:33):
That's true.
Mm-hmm.
We don't, we have amazing sexthough.
Lee (15:37):
When children interfere.
That seems fair.
It's true.
I'll just leave it at that.
Yeah.
Not interfere, but they're inthe house.
Yeah.
So that's the only time.
That's true.
Every other time it's great.
Liz (15:48):
We have to be a little quieter.
Lee (15:49):
Yes.
And for you that's verydifficult.
But I enjoy that.
Right.
Right.
So we, we did that.
We started looking at different,this was an adults only
vacation.
We didn't have children.
It was just us.
Really Hadn't done that.
Had we done that up to thispoint where it was just, just a
vacation, not a work trip, not aconference.
Liz (16:08):
No.
I think this was the first onein our relationship.
So
Lee (16:12):
we decided that we really, and we'd been together six years
at that point, and we need tostart doing this more often.
So we started looking at adultsonly options.
Then came across temptation inCancun.
I said, let's do it.
Let's just go ahead and do it.
We'll see what it's like.
You could
Elle (16:30):
be naked.
Lee (16:31):
Well
Liz (16:32):
topless.
Well topless.
It's topless.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Lee (16:34):
yeah.
Liz (16:35):
Which, yeah.
At that time I had boob jobnumber one done.
So I'm like, sure, let's go.
Right.
You know?
Lee (16:42):
Yep.
I'll come off.
Liz (16:44):
No problem.
Lee (16:45):
We got into the groups and for went to newbie.
I'd recommend getting into anytype of telegram groups,
Facebook groups any of thegroups that are out there,
because in general those groupsare extremely helpful.
It's people that have beenthrough it, people that know,
okay, use this transport fromCancun instead of taking a taxi
d little things.
(17:05):
Right.
That just makes your experienceso much more positive.
And then,
Liz (17:10):
but before we got to temptation, so from Key West in
July.
Yes.
You're talking last July?
Yes.
A year ago.
Yes.
July
Lee (17:21):
of 24 is when we Okay.
Kind of dipped our toes in.
Liz (17:24):
Okay.
So that just, you know, when wewoke up the next morning and he
was like, I'm not gonna lie, Ireally liked seeing you with two
penises in your hands.
That was really hot.
And I'm like.
Oh, he could have been upset.
Yes.
And he was not.
No, he was not.
I mean, I think he was upset atfirst because he didn't know how
(17:45):
it went down.
And then once I explained to himthat, I was like, no, you saw I
was touching her and by the timeyou rounded the table, this is
what had actually happened.
I just didn't dive right intohis penis and it was like, let
me feel it.
And so after we like talkedabout that, he was still like,
it, it was still hot.
Like, okay.
Yes.
Good, good.
And so that really then dove usmore into looking and talking
(18:11):
and reading and discussing whatif, like, do we do this?
Like this is really hot.
Like wow.
And just talking about it was aturn on for both of us.
And so did you even look in
Elle (18:26):
locally for anything around here?
Or did you look like where canwe travel to do this?
Because it'd be crazy to thinkthat we had something like this
in our own backyard.
Lee (18:37):
Yeah.
We, we were keeping it, we hadthe idea of keeping it separate
at that point.
Liz (18:43):
Right.
Vacation only.
Right?
Yes.
That went out the window.
But yes, we had talked becauseit was Key West, and then we
had, we're going to temptationand we're like, okay, this is
just, this is gonna be avacation thing.
Like we only, there's some
Tramp (18:54):
people who successfully keep it that way, but True.
Yeah.
I don't think, it's not in mywheelhouse.
Liz (18:59):
No.
It.
It has not become ours.
No.
So it changed quickly.
But that is also something thatwe learned very quickly, that
we're doing a lot of reading anda lot of conversing, and we're
like, okay, we have thisboundary and we have this
boundary, and oh my God, I couldnot even imagine that happening.
And nope, nope, we're gonna havethis boundary too.
(19:21):
And when we were in temptationand met a great group of people
there was a couple that.
Really was very welcoming to us.
That was like, if you have anyquestions, don't hesitate to
ask.
And so it was really nice andhim and I had talked about it
and we're like, okay, would webe open to play with this
(19:41):
couple?
They seemed very receptive andunderstanding our position, and
we're like, sure.
So we met up for breakfast onemorning and it happened to be.
A rainy day, so we were notgonna be in the pool.
Oh yeah.
And they had had something to doon the inside.
Right.
And they had a jacuzzi on theirbalcony, so we were all in the
tower.
(20:02):
And so we met for breakfast andwe're like, okay.
And they invited us up and wewent back to their room and
conversed some more.
And then they were like, we've,we've, we're a little nervous
too, because we've never, we'venever had newbies, so.
Oh, you guys are nervous.
And we're nervous, so we're alljust gonna do this together.
(20:23):
So we're like, let's jump in.
Okay.
Here, like, here we go.
And so we just started in thehot tub and we're all naked and
we're talking, and then it goesfrom there.
Lee (20:35):
So these people, I guess for newbies, if they're worried
about going to temptation or anyother type of club, oh my gosh,
am I gonna be attacked?
Am I not gonna be able to relax?
Is it just gonna be a nonstopbarrage?
Our experience is it's none ofthat.
It is.
You could go to some of theseresorts, enjoy yourself.
If you don't talk to anybody,there may not be, they may be
(20:58):
alone.
There may be nobody that comesup and talks to you.
It is going out to make friendstalking, et cetera.
This couple was in one of thegroups.
And we kind of had not, not,it's built in friends, if you
will.
You know people.
Mm-hmm.
You can hang out with them.
You can go get drinks, havedinner, and get to know them a
little bit better
Liz (21:17):
because not, sorry, not everybody in this group is in
the lifestyle.
Right.
They just like the sexyenvironment and
Elle (21:23):
Very true.
Especially going to Temptations.
I think that's less lifestylethan say, desire.
Yes.
Tramp (21:29):
But the same happens at desire.
You have people who Oh yeah.
Just like to be fully naked.
Elle (21:33):
Yep.
Tramp (21:33):
And but have no intention.
They may be voyeurs orexhibitionists.
Mm-hmm.
But that's their limit.
Liz (21:41):
Yeah.
Lee (21:42):
And that's part of the interesting part that we've
discovered is there are so manydifferent varieties of people.
And the other thing that we'veseen, it's, again, your mileage
may vary, but ours is everybodyis so accepting.
Everybody is welcoming and notonly accepting, but they seem to
(22:02):
be understanding.
So we've met several couplesthat don't play, but they like
to hang out and we have a greattime with them.
Mm-hmm.
And they're a sexy couple, butwe know their boundaries and we
still have a great time withthem.
That's awesome.
Elle (22:16):
That's nice.
You know, you can have like veryopen conversations with them
that you don't normally, aren'tnormally able to have with Yes.
People you just meet Very
Liz (22:25):
much so, yes.
So we did our first swap atTemptation.
And so it was a full swap.
It was a full swap.
I mean, wow.
Went to town.
Okay.
We, we did, we just, you know,we're not the, let's dip our toe
in the water.
If we're going, we're cannonballing it.
Let's just, we're going rightinto the deep end.
Yeah.
Yes.
And so we did.
So that was
Lee (22:44):
October of 24.
24.
So three months later.
And
Liz (22:47):
how was it?
Lee (22:48):
So I guess this is for the newbies.
You don't know until you'rethere.
And people want advice.
They want to know what's on theother side of that door.
And you're not gonna know untilyou open it.
Yeah.
So as I'm watching my extremelybeautiful wife and then another
(23:08):
man is powered and erect, and Isaid, how am I gonna feel?
So I watched him enter her and Iwas like, this is really, really
hot.
And my whole life, it's a lot oflike.
Trying to, to mental issues anddeal with this.
Like, why is this so hot?
Why is this attractive?
I've always been told that thisis not okay.
(23:30):
And then learned aboutcompersion later on.
But Liz over here having orgasmsand me witnessing that, even if
it's not me, is amazing.
So I enjoyed her enjoying it andthen fed off of that.
Liz (23:49):
I was a little different.
Oh.
I struggled with it a littlebit.
There were, I mean, everybodyhas sex noises, right?
Sure, sure.
But now hearing my husband andthese sex noises that I'm like,
I could not stay in the momentof me and this other gentleman.
(24:12):
Mm-hmm.
Because there was just a lot ofsquishing.
Going on.
Oh, that noise is coming out ofhis mouth.
But squishing.
Yes, she was, she was very, verywet uhhuh.
And so I'm like, oh, whoa.
Okay.
Alright, we're gonna get throughthis.
And so we did and we laughed andwe went back to our room and we
(24:32):
did not really.
Other than the tantric massage,we we were held up in our room
for a while with reclaiming sexand I think I can do this if
this is like what I getafterwards.
Okay.
Like, whoa.
And so again, more talking, morewhat ifs more, what part of it
(24:53):
did you like?
What part of it didn't you like?
And listening to him and waslike, yeah, watching you was
really hot.
And, I can't say that yet.
I struggled with that in the,after our first swap.
And they were very friendly,they were very understanding.
But they were also very, let'sdo this again.
And I'm no.
We have two days left of ourvacation.
(25:14):
We had this 90 minute massagescheduled and we're still.
Enjoying our reclaiming.
And so it was like, no, no.
We need, we need a break.
We need, we need some separationand just let us come back to us.
So,
Tramp (25:30):
I mean, I think that's pretty spectacular.
Not only your communication,which we pound on, seems like
every single episode, everyepisode, episode, episode.
But for lead, for you to say,you're basically like me in the
sense of, oh, you are naturallycoersive.
You know, you, you enjoywatching your significant other
and that really charges you.
(25:54):
It does.
Whereas for Liz, it's, there maybe a little jealousy component,
but the reclamation is, isreally fires it off for you, but
you understand each other.
That's the key there.
Through your own communicationand being able to come back
together and find middle groundthere.
Liz (26:11):
Yes, and he's been so supportive.
Like after all of ourinteractions, we've always
talked and it's gotten easier.
It just, it didn't occurnaturally like it did for him.
And I don't know if naturally isa word, but I guess so.
I mean, you didn't have to fightit, it just, you were in awe.
And,
Tramp (26:32):
but it doesn't mean that there may not be things in the
future that he may have aproblem with.
But again, as long as youcommunicate.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
Lee (26:42):
So there, there are things that I don't necessarily enjoy.
We talk about those and westarted with a very strong
relationship.
So that is at the core thatwe're the most important things
to each other.
Nothing will ever take overthat.
There will never be anythingthat we will force each other
into doing.
(27:02):
Liz had to go down for a couplemonths for a surgery in the
middle of this, so.
There was, I asked her justyesterday, do you didn't feel
pressure or anything in that twomonths to go to clubs to do
whatever while you were healing?
And she said No.
And I said, okay, we did this.
Right.
So we've been,
Liz (27:19):
yeah,
Lee (27:20):
officially in the game since October.
So a good, what, seven monthsand two of it, we took a break.
Yeah.
And it's focusing on each otherand yeah, it's open
communication when there arethings that we don't.
Expect things that we don'trealize are gonna happen.
We talk about it after the factbecause we're all humans.
(27:42):
You don't know how you're gonnareact in that situation.
You don't know how you're gonnafeel until some of these things
happen.
But going back to thecommunication with boundaries
for newbies, you can have amillion boundaries and you're
gonna have a milliondisappointments.
And yeah, been there, done that.
If you have a strongrelationship with your partner.
(28:03):
Would you wanna say what ourboundaries are?
Are you comfortable with that,Liz?
Liz (28:06):
Yeah.
Lee (28:07):
We've come down to really two because everybody we've met
in the lifestyle has beenmature, responsible adults, and
they've been great and they'vebeen understanding.
So the only two rules we reallyhave are we play in the same
room.
We don't separate.
I feed off of her and get reallyexcited.
She gets excited off of me.
(28:28):
She likes playing with thegirls, so it all works together
in the same room.
And then the other is just if apenis is and vagina, there's a
condom.
So those are our two rulesbecause of STIs, pregnancies,
things like that doesn't meanit's foolproof.
But those are our two boundariesthat.
We keep.
So
Elle (28:49):
I think, I think when you're starting off, having a
bunch of boundaries, even ifit's more than necessary, is
good.
I think it gives you an elementof feeling you're in control
because you're going into asituation where you're maybe not
feeling like you're in controlof what's gonna happen, but you
are.
But you don't realize that untilyou go through it.
(29:10):
And so by having a number ofboundaries, like, okay, well
then we know this is exactlywhat we're okay with.
Then you move on from there.
And like you said, you, the moreyou do it, the more you're
there.
The boundaries seem to becomeless and less and just more
focused on how does that affectyou two?
Yes.
Liz (29:28):
And it was, you read on Reddit posts and you read on
Facebook posts and people talkabout, oh, if you're a no
kissing couple, you're anautomatic no.
Right?
And that was one of ourboundaries before we even
started playing.
Too intimate.
It is.
And then on our first swap,well, that boundary's out the
window because it's just anatural thing Right.
(29:49):
When you are being intimate withsomebody.
That it just, it was just anatural thing that I was like,
oh, okay, this isn't bad.
There's not there.
Emotion connected to it.
Yeah.
It's way different than when I'mkissing my husband.
Mm-hmm.
And so that was.
It was a very easy, I guess,boundary to be like, okay, we're
taking that one off the listwith that.
Yes.
So so yeah, when we firststarted in the What if
(30:12):
situations, the what if talksthat there was Oh yeah, we,
that, that, that's a boundary.
Oh yes.
Right.
And when actually talking aboutcoming to fruition for a swap,
well, that boundary kinda seemssilly right now.
And, and here we are.
It's okay.
You know, and here we are,we're, five months into it, is
that really, and.
We've had seven swaps and Ithink so, yeah.
(30:37):
That's really just what we havecome down to is that we are same
room and usually there's onlyone bed in the room, so same
bed.
Mm-hmm.
And condoms.
Safe play.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
So what did you say thismorning?
That we'll party with anybody,but we play with a select few.
(31:00):
Or a select group?
Lee (31:01):
Yes, we love to hang out.
We love to party, we love tohave fun, but there's only a few
that we'll play with.
So we enjoy the atmosphere.
If there's a connection, you cango through apps, you can go
through all these things, seethese incredibly attractive
people, and you can meet them inperson.
And it's crickets and it'snothing against them.
(31:21):
It's nothing against you.
There are certain people whenyou meet them.
You talk and it seems you cansit down for an hour and you've
known them for years, and thoseare the people that we generally
would play with versus justlooking for somebody that's
attractive
Liz (31:38):
or you meet them and realize that their pictures are
way outdated and I've had thatconversation before, or that
when they created the profile,they might have been of a
certain age and they are nolonger of that age.
We discovered one night at andOr wait, the ranch and or wait.
Yes.
Yes.
There's that too.
Yeah.
When we ran into a couple, wehad talked on an app and they
(32:01):
were there for his birthday andwas oh, how old are you?
We went back and we're like,okay.
Your current age does not matchwhat you have.
Not even.
Not even that.
It hasn't rolled over yet.
Yeah.
Elle (32:10):
Yeah.
Lee (32:11):
Well, the app said they started in 23 or 22.
And now the person's eight yearsolder, so I'm not good at math.
But if you don't update it,
Liz (32:22):
the math is not math then on that one.
No.
Yeah.
Yes.
Lee (32:25):
So all this comes back to is really people having their
voice or speaking up or knowingwhat they're comfortable with
versus just having boundaries.
If there's something that Liz isuncomfortable with, initially,
she was more reserved, more I'llgo along for the ride.
And now it's okay.
I really don't like this.
(32:45):
And approaching it as, would youdo this or try and do this or
hold it?
Hold it.
She is time out.
Well, no, the holding it is.
Do you care if I say Liz?
Sure.
So she is multi-orgasmic.
Oh yes.
She can have orgasms fairlyeasy.
She does her what really setsher over the edge.
(33:07):
If you ever meet Liz and you getthe chance mm-hmm.
Is she likes when she is ridingthat wave for the male to hold
it, not keep thrusting, notwhatever, hold it and she will
lose her mind.
So that is her voice and herthings that she's enjoying it
(33:28):
more.
And yeah, making it a positiveexperience.
Liz (33:33):
But continuing down the, let's just jump off the deep
end.
Yes.
We are going to desire inOctober.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
That's good.
So there's that.
And then we have a temptationcruise.
Uhhuh Uhhuh.
And then someone hit me up andwas like, bliss went on sale and
now we have a bliss cruisebooked.
Yep.
So yeah, we are just continuingraising that diving board a
(33:57):
little higher and just keepcannon balling in.
Here we go.
So, but he makes it easy becausehe is.
Such a caring person and healways has our best interest.
And at the end of the day, itcomes back to us and it's an
enhancement.
We don't have to do this and weare perfectly fine, just us, but
(34:23):
this is a little extra layer, alittle extra fun, and being in
that sexy environment and.
You know, the taboo ness of itand making it not a taboo thing.
Yeah.
And as he says, you are amazingand I love seeing you dress up
and be sexy and just going outand having a good time, and you
(34:45):
occasionally pop your boobs outand show'em off to everybody.
And he was like, and I'm overthere like, yes baby.
We always enjoyed that
Elle (34:52):
on Wednesday when we were all playing pool.
Yes, yes.
Lee (34:55):
Back to the, back to the ranch.
So we have all these vacationsplans.
Yes, we're gonna go experiencethings, see if we like it, see
if we don't.
And when we got back here, we,we have heard of the ranch.
We had seen the website and wewere really gonna try to keep it
like vacation only.
And then we realized, okay,vacations come and go.
(35:17):
And everybody we met atTemptation was.
Normal people like Well,adjusted crazy, right?
Normal people.
Yes.
Yes.
Who knew?
I know.
Yeah.
It's
Liz (35:27):
not like we walk around with this sticker on our head
and he's like, well, they liketo be freaky.
That's not Ron Jeremy
Elle (35:32):
walking around.
No.
Liz (35:34):
Yes.
Lee (35:35):
And I said, let's go to the ranch.
We'll have dinner.
We'll go On a Wednesday night.
A Thursday night, and we'll seewhat it's about.
Just to go visit.
And we were talking about that,and she always claims that I'm
the instigator.
And then next thing I know,here's an email that she's
joined with the membership andwe have reservations.
So I was like, I guess we'redoing this.
Liz (35:58):
You planted the seed.
I just gave it some water.
Lee (36:02):
And then we went there.
Had a great time, enjoyed it,loved the atmosphere.
And then we'll, oh, you don't
Liz (36:09):
wanna tell'em about our, our first encounter at the
ranch.
Lee (36:13):
You can
Liz (36:14):
it.
One of you Yes.
Needs to.
Yeah.
I've done a lot of speaking.
You should tell.
You
Lee (36:19):
have,
Liz (36:19):
you should
Elle (36:19):
tell the story.
Lee (36:20):
So for me, with that
Elle (36:22):
communication
Lee (36:24):
to be involved, to enjoy it, I need some sort of feedback
from the female.
So we met this couple.
Very attractive.
Very attractive.
And the whole night I was notgetting any type of feedback.
But then.
Their husband.
And then Liz was like, oh, she'sinto you.
She's into you.
(36:44):
And I was like, there is nothingthere.
So again, first time, first swaphere at the ranch where we said,
go ahead.
We're just gonna power through.
And it was a hot experience.
It was looking back on itenjoyable, but there were things
that I didn't enjoy thataffected us so.
(37:06):
That's where I first startedlimping along, if you will.
And I think a lot of it was noconnection on my side to the
female.
And for me I've realized at thispoint I kind of need something.
I don't need a full emotionalattachment.
I don't need
Liz (37:22):
you need interest.
Lee (37:23):
Yes.
Liz (37:24):
You just need her to express interest.
And yes, it did not happen thatnight.
No.
Lee (37:30):
And then we're being new.
And it was a overall, it was agood experience.
It just,
Liz (37:37):
it taught us It was a lesson.
Yeah.
You learned?
Yes.
Yeah.
It's a lesson.
Yes, it's a
Lee (37:40):
lesson.
We knew that they were greatpeople and we said, let's, they
did, they approach us aboutdinner.
Liz (37:47):
Yeah.
Lee (37:48):
They said, let's go to dinner.
And then being newbies, like,does that mean sex?
Does that mean what's going on?
No, it's just dinner.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you need to communicateeven with people in the
lifestyle, you'll talk.
So we went to have dinner andthrough that it was a week or
two later.
Liz (38:04):
Yeah, it was relatively
Lee (38:05):
soon.
Yeah.
And the, the female was stillvery standoffish.
I'm like, okay, it's fine.
That's just how this person is.
And then the husband had anamazing time and is reliving
everything where he didn't readthe room, where I didn't have
necessarily a great time.
And at that point decided, okay,they're a great couple, they're
(38:28):
amazing, they're veryattractive, but this isn't,
we'll, we'll be friends withthem, but we're not gonna play
with them.
So I made that decision and Lizdidn't have any issues with that
because it comes back to uswhere.
Every couple has their owndynamics, and it's what may be
right for us does not mean it'sright for you, but for us, she
has the veto power.
If I'm, she thinks,
Liz (38:50):
well, we both have veto power, right?
It's not just me.
I mean,
Lee (38:53):
yes, well, if I've had more than one drink or whatever, and
you're like, okay, you're done.
And I realize I'm notintoxicated at all.
It just goes back to that trustand respect that I have for Liz.
That okay, I'm done and Irespect her wishes and we
respect each other.
So we lived and learned,
Liz (39:10):
that's not the story I thought you were gonna tell,
but, okay.
Oh my gosh, no.
What is the
Lee (39:15):
first story?
Liz (39:15):
The very first night we were at the ranch.
Oh.
Let's talk funny stuff.
Okay.
Yes, yes.
So we are, yeah.
We'll, we'll let you
Tramp (39:21):
guys tell that one and then we'll okay.
We'll probably kind of wrap itup'cause
Liz (39:25):
mm-hmm.
So the first night at the ranchit's a slower night.
It's a Wednesday or a Thursday.
Lee (39:31):
Yeah.
Liz (39:32):
And we had dinner and then we decided, okay, let's go
downstairs and play.
I mean, it's just him and I andlet's break this in, right?
Yep.
And so we go down and go intoone of the rooms and we're like,
huh.
So we left the curtainspartially open and Oh, yeah, for
newbies who don't know, andcurtains are closed, you leave
them alone.
And if they're partially open,they wanna watch.
(39:52):
And if they're fully open,potentially join.
So ours were partially open.
Not that there were a lot ofpeople there, so let it be.
We were, we were a little busyfor quite a while.
Do you
Lee (40:03):
wanna say which cabana it was?
Liz (40:04):
No, we don't need to.
Lee (40:06):
It was at the bottom of the stairs.
Yeah.
So everybody comes down.
Sorry.
That's gonna be the first thingyou see as you're
Liz (40:09):
coming in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Full.
So, yep.
So we decide to take a break andwalk around and see if anybody
is out on the four top and foursquare, four top, something like
that.
Mm-hmm.
And we come back to our room andI thought I had.
Close the curtains back to wherethey were before partially open.
(40:29):
Apparently I did not.
And we are going at it hot andheavy and I am yelling out Yes.
As I'm having a amazing release.
And next thing I know there's asingle guy is like, can I join
you?
And Lee's like, we justfinished.
Like literally we, we justfinished and I was like.
What, what, what's going on?
But you've been saying yes, yes,yes.
(40:51):
So as he's throwing thatquestion in there and I'm
yelling out Yes, there was likethat perfect timing.
And Lee's like, no, like no, we,we, sorry.
Thank you for asking what we, wejust finished.
And so I was
Lee (41:03):
legitimately climaxing as she's yelling.
Yes.
He comes up, may I join you?
Very polite.
Yes.
That's dumb.
No, it's very polite.
Yeah.
And not disrespectful in anyway.
She's yelling.
Yes.
I swear I hear a metal beltbuckle unlatched.
I was like, no, sorry, we justfinished.
Liz (41:22):
So that was, you know, we had some good laughs about that
on the way hall.
That is funny.
Yes.
There's a lesson learned on thatone too.
Yes, there was.
Yes, there was.
Tramp (41:30):
Guys, that was some just amazing information and good
stories.
Just good stories.
Thank you.
Truly, thank you for joining usthis evening.
Liz (41:40):
Yeah, thank you for having us.
Anytime.
Please come back and, well, wemay have, especially after you
desire had your, yeah.
Multiple adventures aftertemptation and then after place
we're not new anymore.
Yes, I know.
I'm like, at what point does thenew car smell wear off?
Right?
Like, is it months?
Is it miles?
Is it, what is it?
So I
Elle (42:00):
don't think there's an actual answer to that.
As long as you're still havingfun, that's all that matters.
Yes.
That's
Tramp (42:05):
what matters.
Since this episode ran a littlelong, we're going to save our a
MA for next week, but we do haveone.
Yay.
And we're just so thankful thatall you guys just continue to
listen and, and come on thisjourney with us.
We can be reached atunapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
(42:26):
Our website is alsowww.unapologeticswingers.com and
wherever you happen to belistening to us the biggest ask
that we have is just leave us areview, maybe some kind words.
And we just love getting allthat feedback.
Elle (42:41):
Yeah, it, really does mean a lot to us.
When somebody sends us a noteback or just.
It tells us that they like itand that they're enjoying the
podcast and what we're doing.
Mm-hmm.
Because we're sure having fun.
Tramp (42:53):
But it is a labor of love without a doubt.
Elle (42:55):
Yep.
Yeah.
We're not getting rich off ofthis.
Tramp (42:57):
Oh, no.
Elle (43:00):
Until next time, I'm Elle and
Tramp (43:02):
I'm the tramp.
Elle (43:03):
Be sexy,
Tramp (43:03):
be confident.
Elle (43:05):
Be unapologetic.
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