May 4, 2025 • 39 mins
The Tramp and Elle are joined by special guests Champagne and Bruce who have extensively visited both Desire properties. Plus a bonus sexy story from their recent visit.
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Elle (00:04):
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we're just soappreciative that you continue
to come on this journey with usand through all the ups and
downs and the thrill victory andthe agony of defeat.
Sometimes it's, it feels likethat in a lifestyle you get a
few of those stories.
Yeah, of course.
But today we are very thankfulto have two guests with us.
Champagne (00:29):
Yay, Bruce
Tramp (00:30):
and Champagne.
Welcome guys.
Champagne (00:32):
Oh, absolutely.
We're so happy to be here.
Tramp (00:34):
Thank you for having us.
Elle (00:35):
Welcome.
Jay and I have known the two ofthem for a number of years now.
Mm-hmm.
And they have always been such alight and wonderful energy, and
it's like, you know, you getthis extra joy when you see them
somewhere and know that you'regonna spend time together and
you're gonna have a good time,and the conversation is gonna be
(00:56):
good.
They're both so smart, sointelligent, so sexy, and I am
just so excited to talk withthem.
A couple weeks ago ran into themat the ranch and Sure.
And they had just come back fromdesire and we're all excited
about that.
So you know, thought it might befun to have them on here, but
first of all, can I just saysomething?
Of course.
(01:16):
I'm gonna apologize for myattire.
I got out of the shower, I wasgetting ready and I had a little
black night on'cause it was warmupstairs and Jay told me to wear
it.
So, just so you know,
Tramp (01:29):
I don't think you're getting any complaints and Okay,
I bet the listeners wish that.
It was more than just a, a audiopodcast.
It was YouTube.
Elle (01:38):
So I do wanna 0.1 last thing out to a couple of the
stories that I've told over thelast few episodes.
This lovely couple, champagneand Bruce, were part of both the
New Year's Eve one.
Mm-hmm.
In the last episode.
Mm-hmm.
All about orgies.
And then when we were talkingabout organic play and it was
the ranch.
And it was my birthday and Oh,the infamous birthday.
(02:00):
Yes.
And I went downstairs and thetwo of them were on the
Foursquare, having a great time,and Champagne looked up and
went, oh, it's Elle's birthday.
You have to fuck her.
And Bruce went, I don't have thebag.
I'll get the bag.
You get started.
So anyway, I again.
Fun people.
(02:20):
Super glad that they're here.
Tramp (02:21):
I'm sure Bruce is like,
Bruce (02:22):
well, if I must, yes.
That was a very, very specialtime.
I enjoyed it and it's verydistracting with your outfit
again, I'm
Elle (02:29):
gonna say.
Okay, good.
That was kind of my main focus.
Tramp (02:35):
Good memories.
Elle (02:36):
It's meant to relax you.
Tramp (02:38):
There
you go.
So guys, if you don't mind me asking, how long have
you guys been in the lifestyleand let's just kind of set a.
Of groundwork and maybe a quickversion of your story,
Champagne (02:49):
absolutely.
It was at about 60 years now.
Tramp (02:51):
Yep.
Champagne (02:52):
And our first really crazy adventure was that desire,
which we can chat about, but wewere empty nesters and been
married forever.
I met Bruce when I was 18, soand awesome, awesome sex and
just.
Very adventurous and heimmediately started Googling and
came up with this incrediblespot where you could be naked
(03:14):
all day long, so yay.
Bruce (03:16):
We got lucky to find that place as our first, yes.
Champagne (03:19):
Yes.
Yeah, it was wonderful.
Tramp (03:21):
Fantastic.
It's funny how so many storiesstart with desire because my
own, yours does too.
Absolutely.
Mine does too.
Elle (03:29):
Mm-hmm.
Or my husband, you, not mine,but pe I've heard people tell
stories that their husband wasjust looking for a place,
thought it may be fun.
Sort of threw it out there.
Okay.
Let's see what happens here.
I mean, I have heard that anumber of times.
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (03:44):
I truly believe that.
It's kind of like once you ripoff that bandaid, not
necessarily jumping into thelifestyle, but just getting
naked and having fun and beingunder the sun and, oh, yes, it's
addictive.
It really is.
Bruce (04:00):
Not only that, it was also just the lead in to that,
in which once you decide to jumpin and book the flight and the
reservation, it's all the.
Talking about what's gonnahappen, the anticipation, and
boy there's a lot of good sex.
Just each time that we talkedabout what we're gonna do and
what, what it could be justbefore we got there.
Champagne (04:23):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Right.
Just
Tramp (04:25):
letting your imaginations run wild a little bit.
What what could be and whatmight be, and that's a lot of
fun.
Elle (04:31):
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
So when we were talking aboutdoing the podcast and having you
on, you seem very excited aboutmaybe sharing some things that
you've learned along the waythat as you've been on telegram
groups or talking to people whohaven't been there before, just
some of the questions that theyhave and, and that you wanted to
(04:51):
bring some of those up and kindof answer'em so that anyone out
there is wondering or isscheduled to go and still not
sure that they have a little bitmore information.
Champagne (05:00):
Yeah, we've been to both desire Riviera, Maya, and
Pearl and there's so manyquestions.
There's a lot of telegram groupsfor the actual week that you're
going right before you go.
Yeah.
And there's lots of ways to findthose.
And there's also a, a spotcalled Desire Forum where it's
been in the works for, I don'tknow, 20 years.
And it has everything you wouldever wanna know about the
(05:23):
resort.
People post their first time,they post their adventures, they
ask questions as their hairdryers in the room, anything you
want to know, right?
Just A to Z.
But we just got back about 10days ago.
Which was a, an awesome trip.
Elle (05:38):
You're still tan by the way.
I know.
Champagne (05:42):
And I think some of the things that I hear a lot is,
Hey, the Riviera Maya propertyis expanded.
It's very new.
And if you were me and wanted togo, which one would you choose?
How would you answer that,Bruce?
Bruce (05:54):
Both of them are very great in their own way and.
Similar, but they do have subtledifferences.
And I would say that the RivieraMaya has a rather newer grounds
to it.
And so it's really upgradeditself and it is a very new
modern, a great pool, great hottub, great bars, dance club, and
(06:19):
Pearl is still a little bitbehind the times, but it's
smaller and intimate and.
It, it really just depends uponthe people that are there at the
time that I'm sure I've never
Champagne (06:32):
had a bad time at either.
Tramp (06:34):
Right.
I was gonna say.
That makes sense.
And having been to both myself,but I haven't been back to RMS
since the expansion and, and Idon't know, I kind of have mixed
feelings just, just because ofso many great memories in the
old hot tub and, and the olddisco and the old pool.
Is it gonna.
Just kind of wipe those, stillhave that vibe.
(06:56):
Yeah.
Still have that vibe and stillhave,
Champagne (06:58):
it's definitely changing and I hear people who
have been regulars like we havesay, oh, I did miss that.
And I think that it'sinteresting because the original
group who owns that, they'rereally.
Taking their members through ajourney from temptation, which
is really, really partying andbachelor parties and,
Elle (07:18):
yep.
Adult spring break.
That's what I think Spring breakwhen I think a temptation break.
Champagne (07:21):
They're trying to kind of move those folks up the
chain and we noticed the lasttwo times a went to rm much more
of a temptation vibe, so peoplewho actually keep their
swimsuits on, which isabsolutely your choice, but many
more, more than 50% now, whichwas.
Oh, that's interesting.
And a big party shots at the pool, which is fun, but
(07:42):
lots and lots of that and loudmusic and, and late night
parties, which is all great.
But definitely changing to moreof a, a blended temptation
desire
Elle (07:53):
vibe.
Hmm.
That's interesting.
I hadn't heard that yet.
Yeah.
I did hear that it was more of aparty atmosphere.
It was loud that there was a lotof music.
That looks lovely.
It's fun that it just, I mean,the whole, all the new stuff is
just amazing.
I think the last time that Jayand I went where our hotel room
was at the far end of one of thegarden levels, and we looked
(08:14):
right over into it and it wasjust to the, it was down in the
ground.
I mean, they were just startingto get all the cleaning out and.
That's not the word.
Infrastructure.
Thank you.
Champagne (08:26):
I think one of the cool things is they've kept the
old pool that was the hotspot.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like a quiet pool now.
Right.
So it's called the quiet pool.
Yeah.
And I did notice a lot of peoplehaving a, a really nice time
reconnecting with that resortover at that side of the resort.
Okay.
So you get a little bit
Elle (08:41):
more room, you can have some of the chairs, which is
sometimes an issue.
Yes.
And you can have a conversation.
Yes, yes.
Bruce (08:46):
Oh, I, I like that.
The nice thing about whatthey've built.
In terms of the newness is thatyou can stay pretty much in the
new area and it has everythingthat you want that has a great
pool.
The, the Playmakers are theregreat bars.
The hot tub is right above it,and they have restaurants there.
And so if you're staying next tothat, you're pretty much in a
(09:08):
brand new resort it feels like.
Mm-hmm.
And then only if when you go tothe other side, do you.
Go back and you re-experiencewhat it used to be like.
And so you can have thatexperience.
And it was fun for us.
'cause when we were there forNew Year's, they had a pool
party, like a big displayhappening on the pool.
And so they closed down the newpool.
(09:29):
And so everybody for one day hadto go back to the old pool.
Elle (09:32):
Oh, how was that?
Was it crowded?
Was it full?
It was packed.
I bet it was.
I've never been in it when itwas totally packed.
Usually there's like acongregation of people along the
sides and the different parts,but it was perfect.
Peoples.
It was perfect.
Yep.
But now you
Tramp (09:44):
have all the new rooms with the expansion, with the
Eden expansion, right?
Those it's is more people.
Absolutely.
Champagne (09:50):
Oh, for sure.
Absolutely.
But did
Elle (09:51):
it double
Champagne (09:51):
and it it I think they added 50 more.
Okay.
So it's like almost 190.
Elle (09:56):
Okay.
Champagne (09:57):
But I do think the crowd is definitely changing,
which, you know what, change isgreat.
Okay.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You can always find exactly whatyou want there.
Elle (10:04):
Yeah.
Tramp (10:06):
Now I have heard that the.
Lifestyle element.
You have a lot more people nowthat are not necess necessarily.
They are not.
Right.
Lifestyle.
Yes.
And granted, we all startedsomewhere, we probably didn't
jump into the deep, into thepool immediately, except for
Elle.
What?
Elle (10:22):
Oh yeah, I did.
That's right.
That's actually exactlyaccurate.
Tramp (10:27):
But now it's a lot more prevalent, just as you said,
with people keeping on theirswimsuits, for example.
And for the record, when Ieventually get back there, I'm
gonna skew that back in the newdirection.
Elle (10:38):
Nice.
Excellent.
Excellent.
You're gonna just be that oneextra that does not and just
exactly walks around.
Yeah, I'm,
Champagne (10:44):
yeah, we were surprised.
A couple times you have to, youhave to ask and you have to be
more so than before, becausethere was this one couple, we
were walking out of our room andthey were at the same time, and
we went down to the hot tubtogether and they were 30.
30.
Lovely.
They had been going for, I think15 years, so we automatically
assumed, right.
(11:04):
You know, they were in thelifestyle and we were talking in
the hot tub and all of a suddenit came up.
Oh yeah, no, no.
We just played with ourselves.
And Oh, okay.
Thank you.
And they're lovely, but, right.
I was surprised.
Elle (11:18):
Yeah.
Well, and I, I remember when wewent the first time and just to
find out,'cause I think weassumed that everybody was
lifestyle.
Yes.
And then you start realizing,oh, there's nudist.
And you start, there's peoplewho are voyeurs.
There's people who, you know,wanna be watched.
Exactly.
The other side of it.
Mm-hmm.
And, and that's all they'relooking for.
And it's like, oh, okay, wegotta ask some more questions.
(11:39):
You know, this.
Which is good.
Again, come back to a consistenttheme on our podcast, and that's
communication, whether it iswith your partner or with
someone that you just met.
Tramp (11:51):
Mm-hmm.
Very true.
And the one thing that has stuckwith me with the desire
properties from our very firstvisit was how friendly everyone
is.
And I'm not just talking tostaff, but I'm talking about the
mm-hmm.
The other, I don't wanna sayattendees.
Yes.
But the other guests.
Yes, absolutely.
And how it's not a conference.
(12:11):
I know, I know.
Elle (12:13):
Hey, I've messed up on words.
It's all good.
Champagne (12:16):
Yeah, they're just such great people and I think
the more you put into meetingpeople, the more you get out of
your visit.
Agreed.
And this last time we went.
We actually had connected onTelegram with a couple from
Seattle.
Mm-hmm.
And it was so fun because weended up breaking off and had
about, four way chat and we feltlike we were friends and knew
them.
(12:36):
Yeah.
And, had fun, sexy exchanges and photos.
So when we met them there, itwas just instant that we, you're
just picking up where you leftoff.
Felt, we've already beentogether a few times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Bruce (12:48):
like we almost said.
Already done the pregame.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Elle (12:51):
Exactly.
And so,
Bruce (12:52):
you know, when you, when you, what are you
Elle (12:53):
doing it too?
Yeah.
Woo.
Bruce (12:55):
So when we got there, we were just, you know, friendly
and ready to go.
Yep.
Sure.
And so,
Champagne (13:01):
bingo, you guys are always friendly and ready to go.
I'm
Tramp (13:04):
not gonna lie.
Oh, that's especially with youtwo.
That's awesome because all toooften, and this is just only a
personal anecdote, but.
People on the telegram groups,you always have those people
who, they'll post pictures everyday and be very flirty.
And then when you meet them inperson, they're just
(13:25):
wallflowers.
It's a whole other differentpersona.
And it's a whole different,it's, it's like you have an
online persona and an in-personpersona.
I'm like, where?
Where did that fun person go?
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you just, yeah, you wannabuild that connection in
advance, but it's just.
Not there.
You feel like you have to startfrom scratch.
Champagne (13:40):
Yeah.
It was perfect.
'cause all the questions youwould spend when you first meet,
how'd you get in the lifestyle?
Do you have kids?
All those things where you justdon't really need to spend time
on them.
Right.
Once you know Yeah.
Ahead of time, then you can moveon to other topics.
Bruce (13:55):
That's a very good point that you had there.
Tramp is that even thoughthey're showing their showing
themselves on Telegram and youassume these things, the the
basic question has to be asked.
It.
If you're ready, willing toplay, you have to ask that
question still, but do you guysplay in the lifestyle or how do
you play?
And those questions you, you canassume because they're showing
(14:16):
themselves quite frequently on,on Telegram.
But we saw one that one ladythat was every day was showing
these sexy pictures
Champagne (14:24):
every day.
Bruce (14:25):
Every day.
And they were great pitchers andwe were excited and, and then
they are not in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
Champagne (14:30):
He said, oh no, I, I only.
Have my wife with me, but he wasputting her out there for a show
quite a bit.
But I'm happy
Elle (14:37):
she could turn you all on.
I know
Champagne (14:40):
it was a really interesting mix
Elle (14:42):
we had, we had one on our first telegram group going there
that.
Online.
I mean, he was almost abrasive.
Like, I am not looking forwardto meeting this person because
he was just constantly in thereand like hammering and just was
kind of vulgar and everything.
And I'm like, God, what is thisguy gonna be like?
And we get there.
(15:02):
His wife wasn't on the chat.
She has a very busy job, so theyget there and apparently that's
him before, but when she'sthere, he is this nice, quiet,
polite, reserved human.
Yeah.
And none of that comes out.
It's like, does she, she knowwhat he's like on there.
'cause like it doesn't even, arewe sure that's him?
(15:24):
Oh my gosh.
So that was interesting.
Champagne (15:26):
What you heard was not what you got.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
No.
Elle (15:28):
Which I, in a way I was grateful for.
Yeah.
Yes.
But it was such a, an obviouscontrast.
It was interesting.
It's like, okay, could you atleast please put your, true
persona out there so that weknow what we're getting.
We wanna get to know you for whoyou are.
Mm-hmm.
You know.
Champagne (15:44):
I agree.
I agree.
Absolutely.
Tramp (15:46):
So maybe that's more of just like a pro tip.
For any online interaction,doesn't matter if it's Telegram
or Cassidy or whatever.
Yeah.
Just be yourself.
Elle (15:55):
Right?
I agree.
Tramp (15:57):
Don't build yourself up to be this type of person and
show up being type of person,
Elle (16:01):
somebody else.
And on, on that note, don't post15-year-old pictures.
Oh, if they're not holding true.
Yes.
I mean, just be who you are.
There's so many beautiful peopleout there and personality and
inside and outside that ifyou're not really showing your
true self, you're doing yourselfas a disservice.
I think
Champagne (16:22):
it's hard to hide too when you're naked in front of
everyone.
Yeah.
If you're not the same personyou've portrayed yourself to be,
Elle (16:27):
right.
Champagne (16:29):
You're going to be revealed soon.
Like it.
Elle (16:31):
That's been a hell of a week for you, hasn't it?
Anyway.
Okay, so that's Riviera Maya.
What about Pearl?
What kind of tips andinformation and what, what do
you think?
I know it's smaller.
I feel like I've, it's an older,changed it a
Champagne (16:44):
little bit and that's not true.
It is amazing.
Elle (16:46):
Well, and I know that, and is it a little bit of an older
crowd?
It is, because that is what I'veheard.
I think so more And when I meanolder, I mean our young ages.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Champagne (16:54):
I think that's more like 45 up, wouldn't you say?
Bruce (16:57):
Yeah, I would agree.
And it seems that.
There is a different flow thatgoes on at Pearl than it does at
the Maya.
Okay.
And the flow being what you doduring the day, you get your
chair by the pool, you hang outthere, you have some drinks in
the afternoon, and you startgetting ready for the hot tub
(17:18):
dinner show.
And then at Pearl it seems thatit goes a quick dance and then
people are back to the hot tub.
Whereas at Maya, yes,
Elle (17:27):
they're gonna be dancing all night.
They're
Bruce (17:28):
dancing.
There's a good chunk of peoplethat will dance late and that's
fun.
And But Pearl is good too,because then you get back into
the hot tub where if you'rethere to meet people, that's,
that's the best place to meet'em.
Yeah,
Champagne (17:40):
yeah.
And we've always found very sexypeople there.
It's it's all about what youmake of it.
And I think that, it's veryelegant.
So that's one of the things Ithink it has over rm.
It's very elegant that peopleare elegant and the rooms are,
they're not brand new like partof Eden, but they're beautiful
and they're well done.
(18:00):
And they're large.
And they're large.
They're huge.
Are they?
They're a lot less expensive,which is surprising.
Elle (18:04):
Oh, and how's the bathrooms?
Oh, are they?
Master
Champagne (18:06):
Suite is my favorite.
We always try and get that whenwe're there.
And it's got two bathrooms.
Oh.
Hm.
Which is magic.
Elle (18:13):
That's nice.
Well, you've been in and it'shuge.
You've been in the old RM like Ihave.
And you've been in Pearl, what'sthe size variation in like an
average bathroom there?
'cause they're pretty small.
Think rooms are bigger.
Okay.
Pearl pearls are the, are therooms and the bathrooms are, I'm
sorry, yes.
Sticking on the bathrooms, butit gets really, really crowded
(18:34):
in there.
Exactly.
Luckily Jay doesn't have to dohis hair, so.
Yeah,
Champagne (18:39):
yeah, absolutely.
And then they have the mansionat Pearl, which it's always good
to have a friend in the mansion.
Yes.
We that's a kind of a littleseparate beautiful structure
with rooms and its own playroom,their own bar.
You can have private dinnersthere.
And so if you know someone who'sstaying there or you happen to
be lucky to get invited there,it's kind of a little experience
(18:59):
within the experience.
Elle (19:01):
Yes.
We're making plans to go withour good friend Dr.
John.
Oh yes.
And his wife In September, whenwe were out a couple weeks ago
to visit them, they're like, youshould come with us.
Let's just get a regular room.
You can hang out with us thewhole time.
Did you see that 12 foot?
King size bed that we have, youcould stay.
Yay.
You know, so it, it's that we'rereally excited'cause we've not
been, and we wanted to check itout.
(19:23):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:23):
It's, it's, it's a beautiful vibe.
The food is amazing.
I think they have tworestaurants and then a buffet.
Okay.
And they're very similar to rm.
Really good food.
Elle (19:32):
Yeah.
Tramp (19:32):
Fantastic.
Champagne (19:33):
I know.
Elle (19:34):
Fun.
Okay.
So I'm gonna ask you guys, isthere anything else about desire
that you feel is important?
Pro tips to, for anybody whomight have a question?
Champagne (19:45):
I think I do highly recommend the telegram groups.
Yes.
And you can join them.
I think it starts to get alittle bit more active a couple
months ahead.
Maybe three.
Elle (19:54):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:54):
We're going to again in October, and it's just kind
of barely kicking off.
Elle (19:57):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:58):
But I give it a shot.
Mm-hmm.
I think, I think either one,you'll have an amazing time.
I think we're gonna try Pearlnext just because it's been a
bit since we've been there.
Yeah.
And we miss it.
And, you get to know the serversOh, sure.
And the people who help you out.
And they're just incrediblepeople.
And tip them well.
Tip them very well.
They deserve it.
Oh, they deserve it.
(20:18):
And they'll treat you like kingand queens always.
Yeah.
Regardless of tipping even.
But.
Tramp (20:23):
Yeah, sure.
So many of those guys have beenthere for years and years and
years and it's, and it's alwaysgood to see that friendly face.
Elle (20:29):
Exactly.
See that bartender get the hugwhen you arrive.
Exactly.
Yeah.
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Excellent.
So.
Champagne.
Bruce, I would love to hear yourfavorite story adventure that
you had had, and maybe even ifyou're willing to share with us
any, any disaster or'cause Ithink that helps people learn a
lot more than the, the goodstuff or the good stuff's.
(22:02):
Fun to hear.
Yeah,
Champagne (22:03):
absolutely.
You'll cover after I'm done, ourfirst experience there, which
is, oh, you want to.
Do we'll unroll
that one, but my favorite, favorite will never
ever leave my mind.
We went to Pearl on my birthdayin June.
It was beautiful weather andunbeknownst to me Bruce had been
recruiting all day men in thepool and he had a whole game
(22:26):
plan.
The hot tub beds later thatnight.
And so.
Whew.
I'm getting hot just speakingabout it.
Excellent.
But it must be good.
You look a little flesh wasreally, it was really
phenomenal.
But he had me tied up on a bedand, it blindfolded.
Mm-hmm.
And he ha I don't even know tothis day how many men he had
(22:49):
recruited
Bruce (22:52):
more than a couple.
And I
Champagne (22:55):
actually don't know who they are to this day.
Right.
Oh wow.
Which is more adventurous.
And so I was completely ravishedfor at least.
I don't know.
Hour, hour and a half.
Wow.
And they said the nicest thingsto me and I just had men all of
my ears and everywhere, allover.
And it was the most erotic andexciting thing I've ever
(23:18):
experienced.
Bruce (23:19):
That's fantastic.
That is sexy.
And it wasn't that hard to findpeople that were willing to come
on up and just For sure.
And experience a little bit ofthis pleasure.
That was nice.
Well, okay.
Champagne (23:30):
It's just their arms.
Yeah.
And
Bruce (23:33):
The pool beds there are very nice because they're right
next to the pool and so you getquite a good viewing angle.
The hot tub.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Next to the hot tub.
Correct.
And so there's a lot of goodviewing and people were
intrigued.
It was really funny the next dayafter we had the great event,
when we're talking to thisperson and she said, oh my gosh,
(23:54):
things were got, her got crazyat the hot tub.
There was a lady.
That was tied down.
Mm-hmm.
And multiple people just came onup and just were, were ravaging
her and she didn't know that itwas us.
And so we said, oh really?
Tell me more.
What else did you hear?
Champagne (24:11):
And I would look at these men in their faces.
Was just kind of thinking, wasit you?
Were you there?
And I really, to this day didnot know.
We had one gentleman who was acolor commentary expert.
Oh.
So he sat off to the side so Icould hear really well, and he
did color commentary of what washappening.
That's hilarious.
Bruce (24:32):
He was there with, he was there with his wife on the bed,
one of the beds next to you, andthen everybody else came up, and
so he would just mention as towhat was happening.
Okay.
I'm.
That's, that sounds hilarious.
Tramp (24:42):
It's like a play by play for Yeah, exactly.
For a game.
Elle (24:45):
Exactly.
That's when you wish you couldhave your phone out and do a
video.
I know, I know.
Because that would've been hotto watch later.
Exactly.
Champagne (24:52):
Ooh, yes.
I'm sweating now.
Uhhuh.
Bruce (24:56):
That was very nice.
Champagne (24:57):
Yep.
So that was
Bruce (24:58):
one of our, one of our better ones that we had it most,
you know, highlights.
Yeah, one of the highlights.
And then though how we started.
Was quite an experience as well.
When we did our first tripthere, we got up and went to the
pool and they give you theyellow bracelets.
Mm-hmm.
Signifying that you are a firsttimer newbie.
(25:20):
A newbie, and sometimes thatcould be good for attention or a
little bit overwhelming.
Mm-hmm.
And it got a little overwhelmingfor us.
We had a lot of champagne.
We were very excited.
Hence the name Uhhuh.
Very
Champagne (25:35):
common, a little too much first day.
Bruce (25:37):
And we had, before we knew it, we're just starting our
venture in the lifestyle.
And pretty soon on the side ofthe pool, you had two other
people, two other guys andmyself all having fun
Champagne (25:51):
and yeah.
It was a little surprising'causeit wasn't, we didn't discuss it
there and it wasn't like, itwasn't that there wasn't
consent.
We were obviously open to it,but I know one gentleman joined
us who we didn't know.
Elle (26:05):
Oh, that's a little surprising.
He kind of joined
Champagne (26:06):
in and I know Bruce is looking over like, I don't
know if I like that.
And I was.
Busy at the time too, and Ididn't like it.
And we didn't have enoughcourage to say, let's this stop.
You're new enough.
Doesn't, this is not what weYeah.
Work expect.
Yeah.
It's easy to get overwhelmed,but No thanks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we've kind of let it happen,right?
(26:27):
Because it was the environment.
Mm-hmm.
And I know I would've preferredto say, Hey, let's take a
breather.
Thank you.
We'll see you later.
Yeah.
And we just didn't.
Bruce (26:35):
Yeah.
And I think the yellow braceletsplay a part in that and people
see that and they will noticethat.
That was our first experienceand we came back from that and
went to the room and we prettymuch like hunkered down for the
next day as we had to like talkthrough all the, you know, what
went on.
Sure.
And how did we not communicatewell and, go back to what our.
Rules and what we wanted toaccomplish were, and and it took
(26:58):
a day, and then we got back init and it was, yeah, we were
better for it.
It was better, better.
It was just one of those thingsthat it just happened very fast.
Elle (27:05):
I, I think that's beautiful that you did that even
isolating is okay and youregroup and you're talking about
it and figure out.
Okay.
Was I okay with that?
No, I wasn't okay with that, andI wasn't really okay with it
either.
Mm-hmm.
So next time, what are we gonnado?
Yeah.
Next time in that situation, howwill we handle it so that
neither one of us feeluncomfortable?
(27:26):
And that person doesn'tnecessarily feel uncomfortable.
You, no one wants to hurtanyone's feelings.
Exactly.
But when you've jumped in andyou are not invited, sir.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Tramp (27:35):
And I would say it's a testament to your relationship.
Yeah.
Just your ability to recover andrecover relatively quickly,
especially from an experience ofthat magnitude, let's just say,
and being able to unpack thatbecause the male and female
brain, work in very differentways.
Yes.
So what Bruce May have beenfeeling and thinking in the
(27:56):
aftermath, what champagne wasfeeling and thinking in the
aftermath, you have to rectifythose between yourselves.
But you did.
Mm-hmm.
And you got right back in thesaddle and that's awesome.
Champagne (28:10):
Yeah.
And it did help us reaffirm whatwe do like.
Right.
You know, and our style isreally, we love to be with
another couple.
Well, so he has great attentionfrom another woman and, and vice
versa.
And so that works really wellfor us.
Mm-hmm.
And so for it to be soone-sided, I felt very guilty.
Probably unnecessarily so, but alot of attention That's
Elle (28:32):
overwhelming.
Especially the first time.
And some of that wanted, yeah.
Champagne (28:35):
Yeah.
And I think in talking to it, wesaid, okay, this is our
preference.
And so then we were able to kindof break off from even now and
understand, oh, that's reallywhat we prefer.
Elle (28:45):
Yeah.
Which does change.
It can change over the years.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You have that as your base.
You go back to that and you knowthat that's something that's
gonna work for the two of you.
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (28:55):
Yeah.
But it's always fun to have newexperiences or new variations
mm-hmm.
On an experience.
A hundred percent.
Elle (29:00):
Absolutely.
Tramp (29:01):
Yeah.
Just as your story just a momentago.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (29:05):
Yeah.
That you let yourself go andtrust.
You trust in Bruce?
Mm-hmm.
And you trust in the people thathe brought in.
Mm-hmm.
Which of course he's probablystanding right over him right
there and making sure, takingcare everybody's toe on the line
and
Bruce (29:18):
might have been participating as well.
Elle (29:21):
I can't imagine that.
Oh, that, that'll be a mystery.
It's always a mystery.
Oh, you might know one, butthat, you were so comfortable
and trusting and just had faiththat it was all gonna be okay.
I think that that's just lovely
Champagne (29:37):
and you hear that a lot.
Don't take one for the team andI think those are all things as
they're getting started too, areso important to say, I don't
really care for that person.
You have to honor all of that.
Elle (29:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Tramp (29:51):
Well, excellent guys.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Champagne (29:55):
Absolutely.
Tramp (29:56):
Now, real quick, if you were going for the first time to
desire.
And is it a flip of the coin or,what resort would you lean
toward right now?
Champagne (30:07):
If you like nightlife, if you like to dance
and really good music and stayup late and, and party,
definitely rm if you like it, itfeels more sensual and you know,
in the hot tub you get to knowpeople a little bit better.
I would say definitely pearl.
Tramp (30:24):
Okay.
There you go.
Champagne (30:25):
Okay.
Tramp (30:26):
I like it.
Well, guys, thank you so muchand we were lucky enough to get
another a MA this week.
Yay.
So we're gonna encourage youguys to join in.
This is basically ask usanything.
It's, an emailed question.
Oh, great.
And yay.
Our good friend up in Canada hassent us another one.
Elle (30:43):
I'm really liking
Tramp (30:43):
her
Elle (30:43):
a lot.
Tramp (30:44):
I do too.
So she says, do you preferclubs, parties, or private
dates?
Elle (30:52):
Ooh, that is a great question.
Depends on the day and the mood.
Bruce (30:58):
Yeah.
They all have some great vibesto'em.
Clubs, parties.
Elle (31:04):
I mean the clubs, it depends on the theme.
It depends on who's there.
Yeah.
The energy level, the music, thepeople, the weather, you know,
living in Colorado.
Champagne (31:14):
I like house parties.
Elle (31:15):
House parties have, we've, that's a pretty cool vibe we've
had.
We've been with the four of us,us have been some pretty fun
ones.
And may have
Champagne (31:22):
been at your house for a party.
Oh, it was New Year's Eve.
Elle (31:26):
Yep.
Champagne (31:27):
And to know the people who are your hosts.
And to be comfortable with whothey are is really fun to start
an evening, I think.
Yeah.
It gives you just a lot ofcalmness and confidence.
Yeah.
And I, I think those are fun.
Yeah.
Bruce (31:42):
Yeah.
And then be able to go intodifferent areas and meet new
people, which is, but in asmaller environment than a club.
And so you're more intimate withthem.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
In, in a, at the house party.
Mm-hmm.
And then, the only thing that'sthat's interesting about a house
party is that transition periodwhen everybody's downstairs
just, just partying it up andthen all of a sudden it's like,
(32:04):
when does that move go to towardthe rooms and whatnot.
The playroom, when does it turnsexy?
Elle (32:09):
You bring that, you bring that up, and the four of us were
at a certain friend's houseparty and they said, okay, we
have a couple of games to getstarted.
And me in my head, and my firstthought was really.
Yeah, we're gonna do some gameslike we know each other, we're
adults.
But Jay and I have talked aboutit a number of times.
(32:30):
We just actually just had dinnerwith them the other day.
It's like, Hey, we, actuallyappreciated it.
And one was, it was really nice,the the circle kisses.
And so the women were in themiddle and facing out and the
men were on the outside facingin.
And for one minute I think itwas, you had to kiss that
person.
Now you gotta make sureeverybody's attracted to
everybody.
'cause otherwise that can getawkward.
(32:51):
Yep.
However.
Everybody having a minute tojust make out with the other
person did definitely startthings off,
Champagne (32:59):
kick off.
Elle (32:59):
And then they had another game where there were different
colored bandanas and there weretwo of each.
So all the women chose a coloredbandana, put it on, they went,
well, they went into anotherroom, then put it on.
Let me clarify that.
Champagne (33:14):
Were we blindfolded?
We were blind.
We were, yes.
So
Elle (33:15):
we went, we all found a spot on the different beds in
the rooms and then put theblindfold on.
And then the gentleman took andpicked out of the bucket, a
colored bandana and had to gofind their match.
And then that was like fiveminutes of that person just kind
of touching and stroking.
It wasn't supposed to be full onpenetration, but I believe the
(33:39):
second time around, Bruce, youwere next to me and I, and I
know who you were with, and.
You guys went to town, however,yes.
But we did it, we did do to thistwice.
I may or may
Champagne (33:52):
not have been with Jay at that moment Too.
Uhhuh, I think so.
In the other room.
Elle (33:57):
So that actually was a really great icebreaker.
Yes.
You know, we had hung out for agood hour or so with appetizers
and snacks and.
Always support snacks at thesethings.
And champagne and champagne andgetting to know everybody.
I'm very sapiosexual, soeveryone we spoke with was
smart, intelligent, funny, easyto have a good conversation
(34:20):
with.
And that was a, that was areally good, that was really
fun.
That was just, yeah, not an, orwas, it was a party, I think it
eight to 10.
Eight to 10, yeah.
And that was
Bruce (34:31):
nice because once you.
Put on the, the blindfold.
People got into less clothing.
And it was a good transitionbecause you swapped the first
time.
You did the first find yourpartner.
And you, were getting excited.
And then by the second time itwas like, okay, I'm ready.
Game on, on game on.
(34:52):
No more games needed.
Elle (34:55):
We're done.
Let's move it.
Bruce (34:58):
And then it just went into just, oh boy.
Oh yeah.
Everywhere.
Elle (35:01):
Everywhere, everywhere.
Pool table.
Bruce (35:04):
Yes.
Sofa.
I remember that.
Pool table will never be
Elle (35:07):
the same.
No.
I remember, walking up to youChampagne and Jay on the sofa,
and I just sat and watched.
It was so sexy.
So sexy to just, see two peoplewho know each other, know each
other's bodies and what they doand what works for them.
So, so easy.
Yeah.
That nice, that great vibe.
(35:29):
That was fun.
Yep.
Bruce (35:31):
Yeah.
To have the other couples that,you know, a couple of them
Elle (35:34):
mm-hmm.
Bruce (35:35):
And you were.
Familiar with'em, but then tohave the new people there,
Elle (35:38):
right.
Bruce (35:39):
And that transition of, okay, so what do you like?
And you know, how do we startmixing and tingling with'em?
And then pretty soon you arevery familiar with them, you've
had a great time and you've hadsome, so to speak, you know, new
experiences.
Yes.
And then, and then, you know, ifyou get tired that you just.
Watch somebody else or join onin it.
(36:00):
It was a, that was a quite asexy event.
Elle (36:02):
Oh yeah.
I thought that was perfect.
And it was their first houseparty.
Yes.
And I thought that they reallyknocked it outta the park with
the people that they invited,the way it was set up.
And then their house is justreally, it was be perfect for,
oh my goodness.
Their basement was the wholedownstairs.
It was all, all different roomsand the entertainment room and
the bar, and, and then we're allstanding around at the end, kind
of naked and snacking andtalking and kind of finishing
(36:25):
the evening off A lot morecomfortable.
Yeah, yeah.
Tramp (36:28):
Yeah.
I have to say, I agree with allthose assessments.
Clubs can just be hit or miss.
Mm-hmm.
Sometimes you have an incrediblenight.
Exactly.
Sometimes it just falls flat andit is what it is.
With private dates, again, itcan be hit and miss as you said,
champagne earlier or was it ulwhere, on some profiles, their
pictures are slightly out ofdate.
Elle (36:50):
That was me.
So then it's a surprise again.
Please just be true to yourself.
Mm-hmm.
We wanna know you,
Tramp (36:56):
right?
Or a different persona.
Yeah.
Online and, and in the chatbeforehand versus when you meet
them in person.
So I would say definitely houseparties would be my favorite.
Realistically, it's because thehosts typically do some very
good, I guess, vetting, if youwill.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And so, yes, it's gonna be acurated group where they have to
(37:21):
make some assumptions thateveryone's gonna get along if
there's a new couple or someoneyou haven't met before, another
couple.
It's really easier to gel inthose environments.
So at least that's my, my ownire personal opinion.
I think you're,
Champagne (37:33):
it's especially nice when people throw them often.
So there's a few I know in ourarea where they just once a
month they,
Elle (37:42):
oh wow.
Champagne (37:42):
The first Friday or whatever is, is something they
open their homes and, and Ithink there's a little bit of
money to be made there.
Yeah, there can
Elle (37:49):
be, there used to be like when we first.
Got in the lifestyle, we werekind of up in your area and it
was called the Ravens Nest.
I've heard of that one.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And we went to two, two partiesthere and it was set up really
well.
And the upstairs, you know,booze and snacks, people getting
to know each other downstairswas, and I think we've even
talked about it on our firsthouse party and it was fairly
(38:11):
consistent so you could see thatit was coming up and, and that
was nice to have.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
We don't have all as much ofthat, I think, post covid.
Champagne (38:19):
Right, right.
That's a great point.
Tramp (38:21):
Alright guys, well I think we're gonna tie this one
up and once again, everyone, wejust appreciate you coming on
this journey with us.
For sure.
If you would like to reach outto us via email, it's
unapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
Our website is alsowww.unapologeticswingers.com and
(38:41):
wherever you have to belistening from the number one
thing you can do is just leaveus a review.
Elle (38:46):
Yes, please.
We've had a couple
Tramp (38:48):
of those come in recently and it's great to hear and and
read.
Elle (38:52):
If you have any idea how excited it makes us to read
those, you would be sending'emin more.
Until next time, I'm l
Tramp (39:05):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (39:07):
Be sexy,
Tramp (39:07):
be confident.
Elle (39:08):
Be unapologetic.
Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.
I'm El
Tramp (00:07):
and I'm the Tramp.
And guys, we're just soappreciative that you continue
to come on this journey with usand through all the ups and
downs and the thrill victory andthe agony of defeat.
Sometimes it's, it feels likethat in a lifestyle you get a
few of those stories.
Yeah, of course.
But today we are very thankfulto have two guests with us.
Champagne (00:29):
Yay, Bruce
Tramp (00:30):
and Champagne.
Welcome guys.
Champagne (00:32):
Oh, absolutely.
We're so happy to be here.
Tramp (00:34):
Thank you for having us.
Elle (00:35):
Welcome.
Jay and I have known the two ofthem for a number of years now.
Mm-hmm.
And they have always been such alight and wonderful energy, and
it's like, you know, you getthis extra joy when you see them
somewhere and know that you'regonna spend time together and
you're gonna have a good time,and the conversation is gonna be
(00:56):
good.
They're both so smart, sointelligent, so sexy, and I am
just so excited to talk withthem.
A couple weeks ago ran into themat the ranch and Sure.
And they had just come back fromdesire and we're all excited
about that.
So you know, thought it might befun to have them on here, but
first of all, can I just saysomething?
Of course.
(01:16):
I'm gonna apologize for myattire.
I got out of the shower, I wasgetting ready and I had a little
black night on'cause it was warmupstairs and Jay told me to wear
it.
So, just so you know,
Tramp (01:29):
I don't think you're getting any complaints and Okay,
I bet the listeners wish that.
It was more than just a, a audiopodcast.
It was YouTube.
Elle (01:38):
So I do wanna 0.1 last thing out to a couple of the
stories that I've told over thelast few episodes.
This lovely couple, champagneand Bruce, were part of both the
New Year's Eve one.
Mm-hmm.
In the last episode.
Mm-hmm.
All about orgies.
And then when we were talkingabout organic play and it was
the ranch.
And it was my birthday and Oh,the infamous birthday.
(02:00):
Yes.
And I went downstairs and thetwo of them were on the
Foursquare, having a great time,and Champagne looked up and
went, oh, it's Elle's birthday.
You have to fuck her.
And Bruce went, I don't have thebag.
I'll get the bag.
You get started.
So anyway, I again.
Fun people.
(02:20):
Super glad that they're here.
Tramp (02:21):
I'm sure Bruce is like,
Bruce (02:22):
well, if I must, yes.
That was a very, very specialtime.
I enjoyed it and it's verydistracting with your outfit
again, I'm
Elle (02:29):
gonna say.
Okay, good.
That was kind of my main focus.
Tramp (02:35):
Good memories.
Elle (02:36):
It's meant to relax you.
Tramp (02:38):
There
you go.
So guys, if you don't mind me asking, how long have
you guys been in the lifestyleand let's just kind of set a.
Of groundwork and maybe a quickversion of your story,
Champagne (02:49):
absolutely.
It was at about 60 years now.
Tramp (02:51):
Yep.
Champagne (02:52):
And our first really crazy adventure was that desire,
which we can chat about, but wewere empty nesters and been
married forever.
I met Bruce when I was 18, soand awesome, awesome sex and
just.
Very adventurous and heimmediately started Googling and
came up with this incrediblespot where you could be naked
(03:14):
all day long, so yay.
Bruce (03:16):
We got lucky to find that place as our first, yes.
Champagne (03:19):
Yes.
Yeah, it was wonderful.
Tramp (03:21):
Fantastic.
It's funny how so many storiesstart with desire because my
own, yours does too.
Absolutely.
Mine does too.
Elle (03:29):
Mm-hmm.
Or my husband, you, not mine,but pe I've heard people tell
stories that their husband wasjust looking for a place,
thought it may be fun.
Sort of threw it out there.
Okay.
Let's see what happens here.
I mean, I have heard that anumber of times.
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (03:44):
I truly believe that.
It's kind of like once you ripoff that bandaid, not
necessarily jumping into thelifestyle, but just getting
naked and having fun and beingunder the sun and, oh, yes, it's
addictive.
It really is.
Bruce (04:00):
Not only that, it was also just the lead in to that,
in which once you decide to jumpin and book the flight and the
reservation, it's all the.
Talking about what's gonnahappen, the anticipation, and
boy there's a lot of good sex.
Just each time that we talkedabout what we're gonna do and
what, what it could be justbefore we got there.
Champagne (04:23):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Right.
Just
Tramp (04:25):
letting your imaginations run wild a little bit.
What what could be and whatmight be, and that's a lot of
fun.
Elle (04:31):
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
So when we were talking aboutdoing the podcast and having you
on, you seem very excited aboutmaybe sharing some things that
you've learned along the waythat as you've been on telegram
groups or talking to people whohaven't been there before, just
some of the questions that theyhave and, and that you wanted to
(04:51):
bring some of those up and kindof answer'em so that anyone out
there is wondering or isscheduled to go and still not
sure that they have a little bitmore information.
Champagne (05:00):
Yeah, we've been to both desire Riviera, Maya, and
Pearl and there's so manyquestions.
There's a lot of telegram groupsfor the actual week that you're
going right before you go.
Yeah.
And there's lots of ways to findthose.
And there's also a, a spotcalled Desire Forum where it's
been in the works for, I don'tknow, 20 years.
And it has everything you wouldever wanna know about the
(05:23):
resort.
People post their first time,they post their adventures, they
ask questions as their hairdryers in the room, anything you
want to know, right?
Just A to Z.
But we just got back about 10days ago.
Which was a, an awesome trip.
Elle (05:38):
You're still tan by the way.
I know.
Champagne (05:42):
And I think some of the things that I hear a lot is,
Hey, the Riviera Maya propertyis expanded.
It's very new.
And if you were me and wanted togo, which one would you choose?
How would you answer that,Bruce?
Bruce (05:54):
Both of them are very great in their own way and.
Similar, but they do have subtledifferences.
And I would say that the RivieraMaya has a rather newer grounds
to it.
And so it's really upgradeditself and it is a very new
modern, a great pool, great hottub, great bars, dance club, and
(06:19):
Pearl is still a little bitbehind the times, but it's
smaller and intimate and.
It, it really just depends uponthe people that are there at the
time that I'm sure I've never
Champagne (06:32):
had a bad time at either.
Tramp (06:34):
Right.
I was gonna say.
That makes sense.
And having been to both myself,but I haven't been back to RMS
since the expansion and, and Idon't know, I kind of have mixed
feelings just, just because ofso many great memories in the
old hot tub and, and the olddisco and the old pool.
Is it gonna.
Just kind of wipe those, stillhave that vibe.
(06:56):
Yeah.
Still have that vibe and stillhave,
Champagne (06:58):
it's definitely changing and I hear people who
have been regulars like we havesay, oh, I did miss that.
And I think that it'sinteresting because the original
group who owns that, they'rereally.
Taking their members through ajourney from temptation, which
is really, really partying andbachelor parties and,
Elle (07:18):
yep.
Adult spring break.
That's what I think Spring breakwhen I think a temptation break.
Champagne (07:21):
They're trying to kind of move those folks up the
chain and we noticed the lasttwo times a went to rm much more
of a temptation vibe, so peoplewho actually keep their
swimsuits on, which isabsolutely your choice, but many
more, more than 50% now, whichwas.
Oh, that's interesting.
And a big party shots at the pool, which is fun, but
(07:42):
lots and lots of that and loudmusic and, and late night
parties, which is all great.
But definitely changing to moreof a, a blended temptation
desire
Elle (07:53):
vibe.
Hmm.
That's interesting.
I hadn't heard that yet.
Yeah.
I did hear that it was more of aparty atmosphere.
It was loud that there was a lotof music.
That looks lovely.
It's fun that it just, I mean,the whole, all the new stuff is
just amazing.
I think the last time that Jayand I went where our hotel room
was at the far end of one of thegarden levels, and we looked
(08:14):
right over into it and it wasjust to the, it was down in the
ground.
I mean, they were just startingto get all the cleaning out and.
That's not the word.
Infrastructure.
Thank you.
Champagne (08:26):
I think one of the cool things is they've kept the
old pool that was the hotspot.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like a quiet pool now.
Right.
So it's called the quiet pool.
Yeah.
And I did notice a lot of peoplehaving a, a really nice time
reconnecting with that resortover at that side of the resort.
Okay.
So you get a little bit
Elle (08:41):
more room, you can have some of the chairs, which is
sometimes an issue.
Yes.
And you can have a conversation.
Yes, yes.
Bruce (08:46):
Oh, I, I like that.
The nice thing about whatthey've built.
In terms of the newness is thatyou can stay pretty much in the
new area and it has everythingthat you want that has a great
pool.
The, the Playmakers are theregreat bars.
The hot tub is right above it,and they have restaurants there.
And so if you're staying next tothat, you're pretty much in a
(09:08):
brand new resort it feels like.
Mm-hmm.
And then only if when you go tothe other side, do you.
Go back and you re-experiencewhat it used to be like.
And so you can have thatexperience.
And it was fun for us.
'cause when we were there forNew Year's, they had a pool
party, like a big displayhappening on the pool.
And so they closed down the newpool.
(09:29):
And so everybody for one day hadto go back to the old pool.
Elle (09:32):
Oh, how was that?
Was it crowded?
Was it full?
It was packed.
I bet it was.
I've never been in it when itwas totally packed.
Usually there's like acongregation of people along the
sides and the different parts,but it was perfect.
Peoples.
It was perfect.
Yep.
But now you
Tramp (09:44):
have all the new rooms with the expansion, with the
Eden expansion, right?
Those it's is more people.
Absolutely.
Champagne (09:50):
Oh, for sure.
Absolutely.
But did
Elle (09:51):
it double
Champagne (09:51):
and it it I think they added 50 more.
Okay.
So it's like almost 190.
Elle (09:56):
Okay.
Champagne (09:57):
But I do think the crowd is definitely changing,
which, you know what, change isgreat.
Okay.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You can always find exactly whatyou want there.
Elle (10:04):
Yeah.
Tramp (10:06):
Now I have heard that the.
Lifestyle element.
You have a lot more people nowthat are not necess necessarily.
They are not.
Right.
Lifestyle.
Yes.
And granted, we all startedsomewhere, we probably didn't
jump into the deep, into thepool immediately, except for
Elle.
What?
Elle (10:22):
Oh yeah, I did.
That's right.
That's actually exactlyaccurate.
Tramp (10:27):
But now it's a lot more prevalent, just as you said,
with people keeping on theirswimsuits, for example.
And for the record, when Ieventually get back there, I'm
gonna skew that back in the newdirection.
Elle (10:38):
Nice.
Excellent.
Excellent.
You're gonna just be that oneextra that does not and just
exactly walks around.
Yeah, I'm,
Champagne (10:44):
yeah, we were surprised.
A couple times you have to, youhave to ask and you have to be
more so than before, becausethere was this one couple, we
were walking out of our room andthey were at the same time, and
we went down to the hot tubtogether and they were 30.
30.
Lovely.
They had been going for, I think15 years, so we automatically
assumed, right.
(11:04):
You know, they were in thelifestyle and we were talking in
the hot tub and all of a suddenit came up.
Oh yeah, no, no.
We just played with ourselves.
And Oh, okay.
Thank you.
And they're lovely, but, right.
I was surprised.
Elle (11:18):
Yeah.
Well, and I, I remember when wewent the first time and just to
find out,'cause I think weassumed that everybody was
lifestyle.
Yes.
And then you start realizing,oh, there's nudist.
And you start, there's peoplewho are voyeurs.
There's people who, you know,wanna be watched.
Exactly.
The other side of it.
Mm-hmm.
And, and that's all they'relooking for.
And it's like, oh, okay, wegotta ask some more questions.
(11:39):
You know, this.
Which is good.
Again, come back to a consistenttheme on our podcast, and that's
communication, whether it iswith your partner or with
someone that you just met.
Tramp (11:51):
Mm-hmm.
Very true.
And the one thing that has stuckwith me with the desire
properties from our very firstvisit was how friendly everyone
is.
And I'm not just talking tostaff, but I'm talking about the
mm-hmm.
The other, I don't wanna sayattendees.
Yes.
But the other guests.
Yes, absolutely.
And how it's not a conference.
(12:11):
I know, I know.
Elle (12:13):
Hey, I've messed up on words.
It's all good.
Champagne (12:16):
Yeah, they're just such great people and I think
the more you put into meetingpeople, the more you get out of
your visit.
Agreed.
And this last time we went.
We actually had connected onTelegram with a couple from
Seattle.
Mm-hmm.
And it was so fun because weended up breaking off and had
about, four way chat and we feltlike we were friends and knew
them.
(12:36):
Yeah.
And, had fun, sexy exchanges and photos.
So when we met them there, itwas just instant that we, you're
just picking up where you leftoff.
Felt, we've already beentogether a few times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Bruce (12:48):
like we almost said.
Already done the pregame.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Elle (12:51):
Exactly.
And so,
Bruce (12:52):
you know, when you, when you, what are you
Elle (12:53):
doing it too?
Yeah.
Woo.
Bruce (12:55):
So when we got there, we were just, you know, friendly
and ready to go.
Yep.
Sure.
And so,
Champagne (13:01):
bingo, you guys are always friendly and ready to go.
I'm
Tramp (13:04):
not gonna lie.
Oh, that's especially with youtwo.
That's awesome because all toooften, and this is just only a
personal anecdote, but.
People on the telegram groups,you always have those people
who, they'll post pictures everyday and be very flirty.
And then when you meet them inperson, they're just
(13:25):
wallflowers.
It's a whole other differentpersona.
And it's a whole different,it's, it's like you have an
online persona and an in-personpersona.
I'm like, where?
Where did that fun person go?
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you just, yeah, you wannabuild that connection in
advance, but it's just.
Not there.
You feel like you have to startfrom scratch.
Champagne (13:40):
Yeah.
It was perfect.
'cause all the questions youwould spend when you first meet,
how'd you get in the lifestyle?
Do you have kids?
All those things where you justdon't really need to spend time
on them.
Right.
Once you know Yeah.
Ahead of time, then you can moveon to other topics.
Bruce (13:55):
That's a very good point that you had there.
Tramp is that even thoughthey're showing their showing
themselves on Telegram and youassume these things, the the
basic question has to be asked.
It.
If you're ready, willing toplay, you have to ask that
question still, but do you guysplay in the lifestyle or how do
you play?
And those questions you, you canassume because they're showing
(14:16):
themselves quite frequently on,on Telegram.
But we saw one that one ladythat was every day was showing
these sexy pictures
Champagne (14:24):
every day.
Bruce (14:25):
Every day.
And they were great pitchers andwe were excited and, and then
they are not in the lifestyle.
Yeah.
Champagne (14:30):
He said, oh no, I, I only.
Have my wife with me, but he wasputting her out there for a show
quite a bit.
But I'm happy
Elle (14:37):
she could turn you all on.
I know
Champagne (14:40):
it was a really interesting mix
Elle (14:42):
we had, we had one on our first telegram group going there
that.
Online.
I mean, he was almost abrasive.
Like, I am not looking forwardto meeting this person because
he was just constantly in thereand like hammering and just was
kind of vulgar and everything.
And I'm like, God, what is thisguy gonna be like?
And we get there.
(15:02):
His wife wasn't on the chat.
She has a very busy job, so theyget there and apparently that's
him before, but when she'sthere, he is this nice, quiet,
polite, reserved human.
Yeah.
And none of that comes out.
It's like, does she, she knowwhat he's like on there.
'cause like it doesn't even, arewe sure that's him?
(15:24):
Oh my gosh.
So that was interesting.
Champagne (15:26):
What you heard was not what you got.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
No.
Elle (15:28):
Which I, in a way I was grateful for.
Yeah.
Yes.
But it was such a, an obviouscontrast.
It was interesting.
It's like, okay, could you atleast please put your, true
persona out there so that weknow what we're getting.
We wanna get to know you for whoyou are.
Mm-hmm.
You know.
Champagne (15:44):
I agree.
I agree.
Absolutely.
Tramp (15:46):
So maybe that's more of just like a pro tip.
For any online interaction,doesn't matter if it's Telegram
or Cassidy or whatever.
Yeah.
Just be yourself.
Elle (15:55):
Right?
I agree.
Tramp (15:57):
Don't build yourself up to be this type of person and
show up being type of person,
Elle (16:01):
somebody else.
And on, on that note, don't post15-year-old pictures.
Oh, if they're not holding true.
Yes.
I mean, just be who you are.
There's so many beautiful peopleout there and personality and
inside and outside that ifyou're not really showing your
true self, you're doing yourselfas a disservice.
I think
Champagne (16:22):
it's hard to hide too when you're naked in front of
everyone.
Yeah.
If you're not the same personyou've portrayed yourself to be,
Elle (16:27):
right.
Champagne (16:29):
You're going to be revealed soon.
Like it.
Elle (16:31):
That's been a hell of a week for you, hasn't it?
Anyway.
Okay, so that's Riviera Maya.
What about Pearl?
What kind of tips andinformation and what, what do
you think?
I know it's smaller.
I feel like I've, it's an older,changed it a
Champagne (16:44):
little bit and that's not true.
It is amazing.
Elle (16:46):
Well, and I know that, and is it a little bit of an older
crowd?
It is, because that is what I'veheard.
I think so more And when I meanolder, I mean our young ages.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Champagne (16:54):
I think that's more like 45 up, wouldn't you say?
Bruce (16:57):
Yeah, I would agree.
And it seems that.
There is a different flow thatgoes on at Pearl than it does at
the Maya.
Okay.
And the flow being what you doduring the day, you get your
chair by the pool, you hang outthere, you have some drinks in
the afternoon, and you startgetting ready for the hot tub
(17:18):
dinner show.
And then at Pearl it seems thatit goes a quick dance and then
people are back to the hot tub.
Whereas at Maya, yes,
Elle (17:27):
they're gonna be dancing all night.
They're
Bruce (17:28):
dancing.
There's a good chunk of peoplethat will dance late and that's
fun.
And But Pearl is good too,because then you get back into
the hot tub where if you'rethere to meet people, that's,
that's the best place to meet'em.
Yeah,
Champagne (17:40):
yeah.
And we've always found very sexypeople there.
It's it's all about what youmake of it.
And I think that, it's veryelegant.
So that's one of the things Ithink it has over rm.
It's very elegant that peopleare elegant and the rooms are,
they're not brand new like partof Eden, but they're beautiful
and they're well done.
(18:00):
And they're large.
And they're large.
They're huge.
Are they?
They're a lot less expensive,which is surprising.
Elle (18:04):
Oh, and how's the bathrooms?
Oh, are they?
Master
Champagne (18:06):
Suite is my favorite.
We always try and get that whenwe're there.
And it's got two bathrooms.
Oh.
Hm.
Which is magic.
Elle (18:13):
That's nice.
Well, you've been in and it'shuge.
You've been in the old RM like Ihave.
And you've been in Pearl, what'sthe size variation in like an
average bathroom there?
'cause they're pretty small.
Think rooms are bigger.
Okay.
Pearl pearls are the, are therooms and the bathrooms are, I'm
sorry, yes.
Sticking on the bathrooms, butit gets really, really crowded
(18:34):
in there.
Exactly.
Luckily Jay doesn't have to dohis hair, so.
Yeah,
Champagne (18:39):
yeah, absolutely.
And then they have the mansionat Pearl, which it's always good
to have a friend in the mansion.
Yes.
We that's a kind of a littleseparate beautiful structure
with rooms and its own playroom,their own bar.
You can have private dinnersthere.
And so if you know someone who'sstaying there or you happen to
be lucky to get invited there,it's kind of a little experience
(18:59):
within the experience.
Elle (19:01):
Yes.
We're making plans to go withour good friend Dr.
John.
Oh yes.
And his wife In September, whenwe were out a couple weeks ago
to visit them, they're like, youshould come with us.
Let's just get a regular room.
You can hang out with us thewhole time.
Did you see that 12 foot?
King size bed that we have, youcould stay.
Yay.
You know, so it, it's that we'rereally excited'cause we've not
been, and we wanted to check itout.
(19:23):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:23):
It's, it's, it's a beautiful vibe.
The food is amazing.
I think they have tworestaurants and then a buffet.
Okay.
And they're very similar to rm.
Really good food.
Elle (19:32):
Yeah.
Tramp (19:32):
Fantastic.
Champagne (19:33):
I know.
Elle (19:34):
Fun.
Okay.
So I'm gonna ask you guys, isthere anything else about desire
that you feel is important?
Pro tips to, for anybody whomight have a question?
Champagne (19:45):
I think I do highly recommend the telegram groups.
Yes.
And you can join them.
I think it starts to get alittle bit more active a couple
months ahead.
Maybe three.
Elle (19:54):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:54):
We're going to again in October, and it's just kind
of barely kicking off.
Elle (19:57):
Yeah.
Champagne (19:58):
But I give it a shot.
Mm-hmm.
I think, I think either one,you'll have an amazing time.
I think we're gonna try Pearlnext just because it's been a
bit since we've been there.
Yeah.
And we miss it.
And, you get to know the serversOh, sure.
And the people who help you out.
And they're just incrediblepeople.
And tip them well.
Tip them very well.
They deserve it.
Oh, they deserve it.
(20:18):
And they'll treat you like kingand queens always.
Yeah.
Regardless of tipping even.
But.
Tramp (20:23):
Yeah, sure.
So many of those guys have beenthere for years and years and
years and it's, and it's alwaysgood to see that friendly face.
Elle (20:29):
Exactly.
See that bartender get the hugwhen you arrive.
Exactly.
Yeah.
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Excellent.
So.
Champagne.
Bruce, I would love to hear yourfavorite story adventure that
you had had, and maybe even ifyou're willing to share with us
any, any disaster or'cause Ithink that helps people learn a
lot more than the, the goodstuff or the good stuff's.
(22:02):
Fun to hear.
Yeah,
Champagne (22:03):
absolutely.
You'll cover after I'm done, ourfirst experience there, which
is, oh, you want to.
Do we'll unroll
that one, but my favorite, favorite will never
ever leave my mind.
We went to Pearl on my birthdayin June.
It was beautiful weather andunbeknownst to me Bruce had been
recruiting all day men in thepool and he had a whole game
(22:26):
plan.
The hot tub beds later thatnight.
And so.
Whew.
I'm getting hot just speakingabout it.
Excellent.
But it must be good.
You look a little flesh wasreally, it was really
phenomenal.
But he had me tied up on a bedand, it blindfolded.
Mm-hmm.
And he ha I don't even know tothis day how many men he had
(22:49):
recruited
Bruce (22:52):
more than a couple.
And I
Champagne (22:55):
actually don't know who they are to this day.
Right.
Oh wow.
Which is more adventurous.
And so I was completely ravishedfor at least.
I don't know.
Hour, hour and a half.
Wow.
And they said the nicest thingsto me and I just had men all of
my ears and everywhere, allover.
And it was the most erotic andexciting thing I've ever
(23:18):
experienced.
Bruce (23:19):
That's fantastic.
That is sexy.
And it wasn't that hard to findpeople that were willing to come
on up and just For sure.
And experience a little bit ofthis pleasure.
That was nice.
Well, okay.
Champagne (23:30):
It's just their arms.
Yeah.
And
Bruce (23:33):
The pool beds there are very nice because they're right
next to the pool and so you getquite a good viewing angle.
The hot tub.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Next to the hot tub.
Correct.
And so there's a lot of goodviewing and people were
intrigued.
It was really funny the next dayafter we had the great event,
when we're talking to thisperson and she said, oh my gosh,
(23:54):
things were got, her got crazyat the hot tub.
There was a lady.
That was tied down.
Mm-hmm.
And multiple people just came onup and just were, were ravaging
her and she didn't know that itwas us.
And so we said, oh really?
Tell me more.
What else did you hear?
Champagne (24:11):
And I would look at these men in their faces.
Was just kind of thinking, wasit you?
Were you there?
And I really, to this day didnot know.
We had one gentleman who was acolor commentary expert.
Oh.
So he sat off to the side so Icould hear really well, and he
did color commentary of what washappening.
That's hilarious.
Bruce (24:32):
He was there with, he was there with his wife on the bed,
one of the beds next to you, andthen everybody else came up, and
so he would just mention as towhat was happening.
Okay.
I'm.
That's, that sounds hilarious.
Tramp (24:42):
It's like a play by play for Yeah, exactly.
For a game.
Elle (24:45):
Exactly.
That's when you wish you couldhave your phone out and do a
video.
I know, I know.
Because that would've been hotto watch later.
Exactly.
Champagne (24:52):
Ooh, yes.
I'm sweating now.
Uhhuh.
Bruce (24:56):
That was very nice.
Champagne (24:57):
Yep.
So that was
Bruce (24:58):
one of our, one of our better ones that we had it most,
you know, highlights.
Yeah, one of the highlights.
And then though how we started.
Was quite an experience as well.
When we did our first tripthere, we got up and went to the
pool and they give you theyellow bracelets.
Mm-hmm.
Signifying that you are a firsttimer newbie.
(25:20):
A newbie, and sometimes thatcould be good for attention or a
little bit overwhelming.
Mm-hmm.
And it got a little overwhelmingfor us.
We had a lot of champagne.
We were very excited.
Hence the name Uhhuh.
Very
Champagne (25:35):
common, a little too much first day.
Bruce (25:37):
And we had, before we knew it, we're just starting our
venture in the lifestyle.
And pretty soon on the side ofthe pool, you had two other
people, two other guys andmyself all having fun
Champagne (25:51):
and yeah.
It was a little surprising'causeit wasn't, we didn't discuss it
there and it wasn't like, itwasn't that there wasn't
consent.
We were obviously open to it,but I know one gentleman joined
us who we didn't know.
Elle (26:05):
Oh, that's a little surprising.
He kind of joined
Champagne (26:06):
in and I know Bruce is looking over like, I don't
know if I like that.
And I was.
Busy at the time too, and Ididn't like it.
And we didn't have enoughcourage to say, let's this stop.
You're new enough.
Doesn't, this is not what weYeah.
Work expect.
Yeah.
It's easy to get overwhelmed,but No thanks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And we've kind of let it happen,right?
(26:27):
Because it was the environment.
Mm-hmm.
And I know I would've preferredto say, Hey, let's take a
breather.
Thank you.
We'll see you later.
Yeah.
And we just didn't.
Bruce (26:35):
Yeah.
And I think the yellow braceletsplay a part in that and people
see that and they will noticethat.
That was our first experienceand we came back from that and
went to the room and we prettymuch like hunkered down for the
next day as we had to like talkthrough all the, you know, what
went on.
Sure.
And how did we not communicatewell and, go back to what our.
Rules and what we wanted toaccomplish were, and and it took
(26:58):
a day, and then we got back init and it was, yeah, we were
better for it.
It was better, better.
It was just one of those thingsthat it just happened very fast.
Elle (27:05):
I, I think that's beautiful that you did that even
isolating is okay and youregroup and you're talking about
it and figure out.
Okay.
Was I okay with that?
No, I wasn't okay with that, andI wasn't really okay with it
either.
Mm-hmm.
So next time, what are we gonnado?
Yeah.
Next time in that situation, howwill we handle it so that
neither one of us feeluncomfortable?
(27:26):
And that person doesn'tnecessarily feel uncomfortable.
You, no one wants to hurtanyone's feelings.
Exactly.
But when you've jumped in andyou are not invited, sir.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Tramp (27:35):
And I would say it's a testament to your relationship.
Yeah.
Just your ability to recover andrecover relatively quickly,
especially from an experience ofthat magnitude, let's just say,
and being able to unpack thatbecause the male and female
brain, work in very differentways.
Yes.
So what Bruce May have beenfeeling and thinking in the
(27:56):
aftermath, what champagne wasfeeling and thinking in the
aftermath, you have to rectifythose between yourselves.
But you did.
Mm-hmm.
And you got right back in thesaddle and that's awesome.
Champagne (28:10):
Yeah.
And it did help us reaffirm whatwe do like.
Right.
You know, and our style isreally, we love to be with
another couple.
Well, so he has great attentionfrom another woman and, and vice
versa.
And so that works really wellfor us.
Mm-hmm.
And so for it to be soone-sided, I felt very guilty.
Probably unnecessarily so, but alot of attention That's
Elle (28:32):
overwhelming.
Especially the first time.
And some of that wanted, yeah.
Champagne (28:35):
Yeah.
And I think in talking to it, wesaid, okay, this is our
preference.
And so then we were able to kindof break off from even now and
understand, oh, that's reallywhat we prefer.
Elle (28:45):
Yeah.
Which does change.
It can change over the years.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You have that as your base.
You go back to that and you knowthat that's something that's
gonna work for the two of you.
Mm-hmm.
Tramp (28:55):
Yeah.
But it's always fun to have newexperiences or new variations
mm-hmm.
On an experience.
A hundred percent.
Elle (29:00):
Absolutely.
Tramp (29:01):
Yeah.
Just as your story just a momentago.
Mm-hmm.
Elle (29:05):
Yeah.
That you let yourself go andtrust.
You trust in Bruce?
Mm-hmm.
And you trust in the people thathe brought in.
Mm-hmm.
Which of course he's probablystanding right over him right
there and making sure, takingcare everybody's toe on the line
and
Bruce (29:18):
might have been participating as well.
Elle (29:21):
I can't imagine that.
Oh, that, that'll be a mystery.
It's always a mystery.
Oh, you might know one, butthat, you were so comfortable
and trusting and just had faiththat it was all gonna be okay.
I think that that's just lovely
Champagne (29:37):
and you hear that a lot.
Don't take one for the team andI think those are all things as
they're getting started too, areso important to say, I don't
really care for that person.
You have to honor all of that.
Elle (29:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Tramp (29:51):
Well, excellent guys.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Champagne (29:55):
Absolutely.
Tramp (29:56):
Now, real quick, if you were going for the first time to
desire.
And is it a flip of the coin or,what resort would you lean
toward right now?
Champagne (30:07):
If you like nightlife, if you like to dance
and really good music and stayup late and, and party,
definitely rm if you like it, itfeels more sensual and you know,
in the hot tub you get to knowpeople a little bit better.
I would say definitely pearl.
Tramp (30:24):
Okay.
There you go.
Champagne (30:25):
Okay.
Tramp (30:26):
I like it.
Well, guys, thank you so muchand we were lucky enough to get
another a MA this week.
Yay.
So we're gonna encourage youguys to join in.
This is basically ask usanything.
It's, an emailed question.
Oh, great.
And yay.
Our good friend up in Canada hassent us another one.
Elle (30:43):
I'm really liking
Tramp (30:43):
her
Elle (30:43):
a lot.
Tramp (30:44):
I do too.
So she says, do you preferclubs, parties, or private
dates?
Elle (30:52):
Ooh, that is a great question.
Depends on the day and the mood.
Bruce (30:58):
Yeah.
They all have some great vibesto'em.
Clubs, parties.
Elle (31:04):
I mean the clubs, it depends on the theme.
It depends on who's there.
Yeah.
The energy level, the music, thepeople, the weather, you know,
living in Colorado.
Champagne (31:14):
I like house parties.
Elle (31:15):
House parties have, we've, that's a pretty cool vibe we've
had.
We've been with the four of us,us have been some pretty fun
ones.
And may have
Champagne (31:22):
been at your house for a party.
Oh, it was New Year's Eve.
Elle (31:26):
Yep.
Champagne (31:27):
And to know the people who are your hosts.
And to be comfortable with whothey are is really fun to start
an evening, I think.
Yeah.
It gives you just a lot ofcalmness and confidence.
Yeah.
And I, I think those are fun.
Yeah.
Bruce (31:42):
Yeah.
And then be able to go intodifferent areas and meet new
people, which is, but in asmaller environment than a club.
And so you're more intimate withthem.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
In, in a, at the house party.
Mm-hmm.
And then, the only thing that'sthat's interesting about a house
party is that transition periodwhen everybody's downstairs
just, just partying it up andthen all of a sudden it's like,
(32:04):
when does that move go to towardthe rooms and whatnot.
The playroom, when does it turnsexy?
Elle (32:09):
You bring that, you bring that up, and the four of us were
at a certain friend's houseparty and they said, okay, we
have a couple of games to getstarted.
And me in my head, and my firstthought was really.
Yeah, we're gonna do some gameslike we know each other, we're
adults.
But Jay and I have talked aboutit a number of times.
(32:30):
We just actually just had dinnerwith them the other day.
It's like, Hey, we, actuallyappreciated it.
And one was, it was really nice,the the circle kisses.
And so the women were in themiddle and facing out and the
men were on the outside facingin.
And for one minute I think itwas, you had to kiss that
person.
Now you gotta make sureeverybody's attracted to
everybody.
'cause otherwise that can getawkward.
(32:51):
Yep.
However.
Everybody having a minute tojust make out with the other
person did definitely startthings off,
Champagne (32:59):
kick off.
Elle (32:59):
And then they had another game where there were different
colored bandanas and there weretwo of each.
So all the women chose a coloredbandana, put it on, they went,
well, they went into anotherroom, then put it on.
Let me clarify that.
Champagne (33:14):
Were we blindfolded?
We were blind.
We were, yes.
So
Elle (33:15):
we went, we all found a spot on the different beds in
the rooms and then put theblindfold on.
And then the gentleman took andpicked out of the bucket, a
colored bandana and had to gofind their match.
And then that was like fiveminutes of that person just kind
of touching and stroking.
It wasn't supposed to be full onpenetration, but I believe the
(33:39):
second time around, Bruce, youwere next to me and I, and I
know who you were with, and.
You guys went to town, however,yes.
But we did it, we did do to thistwice.
I may or may
Champagne (33:52):
not have been with Jay at that moment Too.
Uhhuh, I think so.
In the other room.
Elle (33:57):
So that actually was a really great icebreaker.
Yes.
You know, we had hung out for agood hour or so with appetizers
and snacks and.
Always support snacks at thesethings.
And champagne and champagne andgetting to know everybody.
I'm very sapiosexual, soeveryone we spoke with was
smart, intelligent, funny, easyto have a good conversation
(34:20):
with.
And that was a, that was areally good, that was really
fun.
That was just, yeah, not an, orwas, it was a party, I think it
eight to 10.
Eight to 10, yeah.
And that was
Bruce (34:31):
nice because once you.
Put on the, the blindfold.
People got into less clothing.
And it was a good transitionbecause you swapped the first
time.
You did the first find yourpartner.
And you, were getting excited.
And then by the second time itwas like, okay, I'm ready.
Game on, on game on.
(34:52):
No more games needed.
Elle (34:55):
We're done.
Let's move it.
Bruce (34:58):
And then it just went into just, oh boy.
Oh yeah.
Everywhere.
Elle (35:01):
Everywhere, everywhere.
Pool table.
Bruce (35:04):
Yes.
Sofa.
I remember that.
Pool table will never be
Elle (35:07):
the same.
No.
I remember, walking up to youChampagne and Jay on the sofa,
and I just sat and watched.
It was so sexy.
So sexy to just, see two peoplewho know each other, know each
other's bodies and what they doand what works for them.
So, so easy.
Yeah.
That nice, that great vibe.
(35:29):
That was fun.
Yep.
Bruce (35:31):
Yeah.
To have the other couples that,you know, a couple of them
Elle (35:34):
mm-hmm.
Bruce (35:35):
And you were.
Familiar with'em, but then tohave the new people there,
Elle (35:38):
right.
Bruce (35:39):
And that transition of, okay, so what do you like?
And you know, how do we startmixing and tingling with'em?
And then pretty soon you arevery familiar with them, you've
had a great time and you've hadsome, so to speak, you know, new
experiences.
Yes.
And then, and then, you know, ifyou get tired that you just.
Watch somebody else or join onin it.
(36:00):
It was a, that was a quite asexy event.
Elle (36:02):
Oh yeah.
I thought that was perfect.
And it was their first houseparty.
Yes.
And I thought that they reallyknocked it outta the park with
the people that they invited,the way it was set up.
And then their house is justreally, it was be perfect for,
oh my goodness.
Their basement was the wholedownstairs.
It was all, all different roomsand the entertainment room and
the bar, and, and then we're allstanding around at the end, kind
of naked and snacking andtalking and kind of finishing
(36:25):
the evening off A lot morecomfortable.
Yeah, yeah.
Tramp (36:28):
Yeah.
I have to say, I agree with allthose assessments.
Clubs can just be hit or miss.
Mm-hmm.
Sometimes you have an incrediblenight.
Exactly.
Sometimes it just falls flat andit is what it is.
With private dates, again, itcan be hit and miss as you said,
champagne earlier or was it ulwhere, on some profiles, their
pictures are slightly out ofdate.
Elle (36:50):
That was me.
So then it's a surprise again.
Please just be true to yourself.
Mm-hmm.
We wanna know you,
Tramp (36:56):
right?
Or a different persona.
Yeah.
Online and, and in the chatbeforehand versus when you meet
them in person.
So I would say definitely houseparties would be my favorite.
Realistically, it's because thehosts typically do some very
good, I guess, vetting, if youwill.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And so, yes, it's gonna be acurated group where they have to
(37:21):
make some assumptions thateveryone's gonna get along if
there's a new couple or someoneyou haven't met before, another
couple.
It's really easier to gel inthose environments.
So at least that's my, my ownire personal opinion.
I think you're,
Champagne (37:33):
it's especially nice when people throw them often.
So there's a few I know in ourarea where they just once a
month they,
Elle (37:42):
oh wow.
Champagne (37:42):
The first Friday or whatever is, is something they
open their homes and, and Ithink there's a little bit of
money to be made there.
Yeah, there can
Elle (37:49):
be, there used to be like when we first.
Got in the lifestyle, we werekind of up in your area and it
was called the Ravens Nest.
I've heard of that one.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And we went to two, two partiesthere and it was set up really
well.
And the upstairs, you know,booze and snacks, people getting
to know each other downstairswas, and I think we've even
talked about it on our firsthouse party and it was fairly
(38:11):
consistent so you could see thatit was coming up and, and that
was nice to have.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
We don't have all as much ofthat, I think, post covid.
Champagne (38:19):
Right, right.
That's a great point.
Tramp (38:21):
Alright guys, well I think we're gonna tie this one
up and once again, everyone, wejust appreciate you coming on
this journey with us.
For sure.
If you would like to reach outto us via email, it's
unapologetic swingers@gmail.com.
Our website is alsowww.unapologeticswingers.com and
(38:41):
wherever you have to belistening from the number one
thing you can do is just leaveus a review.
Elle (38:46):
Yes, please.
We've had a couple
Tramp (38:48):
of those come in recently and it's great to hear and and
read.
Elle (38:52):
If you have any idea how excited it makes us to read
those, you would be sending'emin more.
Until next time, I'm l
Tramp (39:05):
and I'm the tramp.
Elle (39:07):
Be sexy,
Tramp (39:07):
be confident.
Elle (39:08):
Be unapologetic.
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