Are You Strong Enough? Inside the Psychological Testing Ground of Temptation Island ft. Olivia Sloan - Ep.074 - Unattainable Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was like, honestly, the most scared of the
background check because it'sjust like who knows what's gonna
come up and they had pulled Upsome like crazy, like tweets
from like 2018.
I would never like smash aperson's window or like cuss
someone out or like spray painttheir car.
I got flown out to an island Idon't know if I'm allowed to say
what island, but basically Ihad no phone, no connection to

(00:21):
anything.
I was like put in a room andthen basically thrown into this
thing and so you were one of thetempters, or the couples.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I was a tempter, I went on.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I went on like it was hard but fun and like sexy, and
also I'm a lover girl, like Icatch feelings fast and like I
just that's just like in mynature.
Are these couples actuallygoing through this or is it like
genuinely, like you know, is itreal?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Is it scripted?
And it's like no, it's real.
Like these couples are likeactually I had to like watch
them go through all of thisstuff and it's intense, Like
it's a lot.
A lot of the time I felt justkind of bad because I was like I
hate to be you.
I had to go to therapy afterthat relationship.
I'm still in therapy with thesame therapist.

(01:11):
A week after I met him, I wasin love with him.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Again, I'm impulsive.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It was a really cool experiment to see what couples
were strong and meant to be andwhich ones weren't, you know
what I mean.
These 34 year olds are at theclub.
Like, that's the point, youknow.
Like why are you not at homeworking with a dog or like kids?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
or something.
You get what I'm saying.
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Lots and lots of drama, lots of temptation, lots
of fun, fun, fun TV.
I'm excited, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I'm excited for that.
It's going to be a really goodshow.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's like it's.
I mean, yeah, it was a lot, alot of drama.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Welcome to Unattainable.
Glad to have you with us.
I'm your host, zach Evans, herewith my co-host, mohamed
Mollahi.
Today we got a special guest onthe show.
Why don't you go ahead,introduce yourself to the
audience, name what you do andyour star sign?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Hi everyone.
My name is Olivia Sloan.
I just got off of a realityNetflix show.
Other than that, I'm not doingmuch, and my star sign is a Leo.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Leo, you seem like a Leo.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You came in hot in hot, came in strong.
I'm like a lot of I'm eithergonna hate this girl or love
this girl one of the two reallyyeah, yeah, yeah I feel like
I've hit or miss with leo's.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Either they're my best friends or, like my, my
arch nemesis I feel like I getthat a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Either you love or hate me, but it's like I could
talk to a wall for an hourthat's why you're on a reality
show, yeah exactly, exactly, Iguess.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, I know, mo had some reality show questions for
you.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So what motivated you to join Temptation?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Island.
Okay, well, my situation was alittle bit different.
I was actually working for anagency at the time and my boss
was always because I was likeworking under him every day just
us and he was always telling melike I'm made for reality tv
and like we need to follow youaround with a camera.
And they had, like Netflix hadreached out to him asking if he

(03:13):
had known of anybody who wouldbe like a good fit for the show
and he kind of just like threwmy name in there and then, um,
ironically, they like reachedout to me and I went through
like a ton of interviews, awhole process, a background
check, a psyche valve, yada,yada, yada, and yeah, then they
chose me.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
And the psyche valve is to make sure that you are
crazy or that you aren't crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That I'm not crazy or that I like don't have any
disabilities or anything likethat.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I feel like if I was
doing a reality show, I would doit to make sure they are crazy,
Like oh, you're one of thecrazy ones Sick Like let's get
her out.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, I was like, honestly, the most scared of the
background check because it'sjust like who knows what's going
to come up.
And they had pulled up somelike crazy, like tweets from
like freshman year of highschool.
So it was like weird.
I was like what the heck?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
netflix pull.
Netflix pulled up your, yourtweets for two thousand yeah
like the people who wereinterviewing me.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
They sent me like a document of like obviously it's
confidential, but the stuff thatthey had pulled up I was like
like what the heck?
Because I deleted Twitter likefour years ago.
I was like okay, I didn't evenknow that.
I tweeted that when I was like12.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's crazy.
So you had deleted your account.
Yeah, I deleted my account andthey still managed to get the
data and information somehow.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, and they would like zoom in and put like
targets around everything, likered big circles around, like the
certain word or whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It was weird, like they came at you with like a
whole powerpoint presentation.
Like, check this one out, boomthis one's bad.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
This one's bad yeah basically they questioned you on
on, like, certain things thatyou had tweeted yeah, they well.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, they didn't question it, but it was
basically like here's what Ifound, and like, like you're
either going to pass or you'regoing to fail, but like this I
mean, I'm innocent, this stuffis like innocent, so I passed
obviously.
Obviously but like, yeah, thePsych of L was over Zoom, I
believe.
If I remember correctly, it wasover Zoom and then I had to

(05:26):
take like a 500-question exam onit and like answer a bunch of
like questions, multiple choicequestions, which I ended up not
being crazy or like having adisability, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I don't know.
Question one have you eversmashed an ex's windshield?
Yeah, for real.
No, okay, you're good, you'regood.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
No, I feel like I'm very pure, like when it comes to
relationships.
I feel like I'm pureinteresting I would never like
smash a person's window, or likecuss someone out or like spray
paint their car.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, there are a bunch of trailers out there and
Temptation Island.
I believe the first one cameout in 2001.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So there's like three seasons of it and then.
So this is sort of like arevamp of yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So basically, ti used to be one of my favorite shows,
like I used to watch it all thetime when I was younger younger
but in high school, um, and I Ibelieve it was like abc or mbc
or one of those networks likethe older ones had owned it and
shot it and produced it.
So they went through sixseasons on that and then netflix

(06:22):
had bought it from them and sowe're season one but, like,
technically we're like seasonseven.
You know what I mean sure season, season one, gen z, essentially
, yeah, yeah basically, but likeI haven't seen it, like it
comes out tomorrow, so I don'treally know how they're gonna,
like you know, fit, like show itwhat happened.

(06:42):
I obviously I know whathappened because I was on the
show, but like I don't know whatthey're gonna show, what
they're not gonna show, whatit's gonna look like.
I don't know if it's gonna looklike the old episodes or if
it's gonna be like new or likerevamped.
I mean, I'm assuming it's gonnabe revamped, but like, who the
fuck knows?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
like well, there are some trailers out there, so so
why don't we do this?
So we're gonna do, we're gonnago over whatever you could talk
about and then why don't?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
we do another like episode once the show is fully
out yeah, and then we'll do likea catch-up yeah, you know
second, exactly second podcastwhere you could come out and
like talk, right.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
But for the time being.
Uh, what do you explain topeople what the show is about?
So, like you know what thepremises are okay, you guys.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The show is basically like should I look at the
camera?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
sure do I look at you guys, yeah whatever, the show
is basically like four couples.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
So I got flown out to an island I don't know if I'm
allowed to say what island, butbasically I had no phone, no
connection to anything.
Um, I was like put in a room andthen basically thrown into this
thing and it was four couplesthat went on to test their
relationships, like they hadissues or like something that
they were wanting to figure outwithin their relationship, and

(07:57):
then there were 12 single girlsand 12 single guys that got
flown in.
Um, and, oh my God, it's sofunny too, because when, before
we went on the show, we were inhotels and the guys were across
from me in their, you know,hotels, and then us girls, but
we like weren't allowed to seeor meet any of each other, and

(08:17):
so we were like and we couldn'ttalk to each other either.
So I would wake up and I knewwho was on the show because it's
like we all got our lunch atthe same time and then they
would come out and eat on theirbalcony with their shirts off,
and I'd come out and eat on mybalcony, like kind of looking
over and being like, hey, but wecan talk, or anything.
So I like got a glimpse of theguys before I even went on and

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anyways, then we kind of likeall came on at the same time.
Then we kind of like all cameon at the same time and the 12
single guys and the 12 singlegirls split up and then go into
like one each different villas,if that makes sense.
So like the 12 girls will gointo a villa with the four guys
with girlfriends and vice versa.
But we're in different villas,like an hour apart from each

(09:00):
other, so we have no idea what'sgoing on in the other villa.
We just know what's going on inour villa.
And then basically the guys,like weekly, you know, will ask
girls on dates or whoeverthey're vibing with.
And basically we're here.
I was a single, so we're thereto like tempt their relationship
, basically like see if theyhave a better connection with us
or if they can stay faithful,or you know, just test basically

(09:24):
what they have going on withwhoever they came with and so
you were one of the tempters, orthe couples I was a tempter.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I went on, I went on to fuck shit up do you feel like
that was a natural, uh, like itfit naturally with your
personality?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
you know, like it's funny because it's like um,
before the show I was like yeah,like definitely.
During the show I was like I, Ican't really talk about it
because it's like I don't knowwhat they're gonna show, so I
guess you'd have to see, butlike it was hard but fun and

(09:57):
like sexy.
So you know, I don't know.
And then after the show,looking back on it, I'm kind of
like I don't really know, Idon't know because, I, I think
I'm like.
When it comes to relationships,I'm very like, um, like.
My flirting style isn't so much, like you know, stick my butt
out and whatever.
It's more like havingcommunication, like talking and,

(10:20):
like you know, being hot I feellike you're.
You're flirting, so be likebashing them yeah, like in a
bantery kind of way.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah like make fun of each other back and forth and
then like yeah, yeah, basicallylike crash into love so it's
like when you're on an islandwith 11 other sexy, like hot ass
girls.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's like and you're all fighting for the same four
guys you know it's kind of like,and also I'm a lover girl, like
I catch feelings fast and likeI just that's just like in my
nature and like it's so funny.
I was just talking to my momabout this today.
She was like saying that I dothat and that I'm also very
impulsive.
Um, but because I am a lovergirl, it's like when you have a

(11:03):
bunch of different personalitieson the show or like in you know
the villa, thrown into thesethings, where we're all there
for the first time, it's like.
I don't really know how toexplain how it happened, but
it's just a very, veryinteresting place to be.
Like we had no, none of us knewwhat was going to happen.
We were all just kind of thereand like going about it at the

(11:27):
same time.
So, yeah, I don't know, it wasfun, but like that's the premise
of the show basically.
And um, the main part of theshow is that each week there's
like a bonfire where the guyswill go down to the bonfire and
then they will show mark.
The host shows like a five toten second clip of what their

(11:49):
partner is doing on the otherside of the island oh shit so
they don't get to really knowwhat's going on.
But they see these like littleclips of like what's going on.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But like do the partners know that they're
getting this video feed?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
yeah, the partners know that, like, the bonfires
are literally for the videos.
So and anyone who had seen theold temptation island knows that
that that's like where it goessuper south, because it's like
everything's kumbaya.
And then you know they go tothe bonfire and everyone comes
back crying because it's like mygirlfriend's over here doing
this and my boyfriend's overhere doing that and like, well,
what the fuck is my relationshipnow?

(12:22):
You know, like, are we eventogether?
Is it?
This?
Is that like it's?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
try to like fuck with people's heads.
Yeah, so essentially let's sayyou're the boyfriend and you're
you're being faithful, and thenyou just go over there and you
watch your girlfriend likefucking around with someone.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
You're like fuck this , like I'm gonna I'm gonna go
down too, and then at the end,end of the relationship, what
would you even do?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, that's crazy to me because okay, so, so like
I'm assuming these four couplesare real couples, they're real
couples.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And a lot of people ask me about this.
They're like, or like thepeople that know that I went on
the show Right Cause I, we likejust announced that we did it,
and they, the one question islike are these couples actually
going through this shit or is itlike, genuinely, like you know,
is it real?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Is it scripted and it's like no, it's real.
Like these couples are likeactually I had to like watch
them go through all of thisstuff and it's intense, Like
it's a lot.
A lot of the time I felt justkind of bad because I was like
oh, I hate to be you, but like Idon't know, it is what it is, I
guess yeah and so okay.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
So is there like winners in this, or is it just
like at the end of it, youeither come out with a couple or
like with a partner, or you'renot.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
So so basically it's like there's, you know, people
get eliminated each week, andthen at the end the couples
decide boy and girl right,Because they're single guys too
Decide if they want to leave theisland alone, leave with the
person you know that they metthere, or leave with the person
that they came with.
So yeah, that's kind of how itworks.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
And then, like, obviously I can't say because I
came out, yeah, but so there arethere new couples coming, like,
are those four couples from thebeginning to the end?
Or yeah, it's the same couples,same couples the whole way
through?
Got it yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
and then we were there for like a while I don't
know exactly how long, but um,also because, like, when people
get eliminated, it's like theweeks kind of change, and I
can't say when I got eliminated,because of course, that defeats
the whole purpose.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, um, and so how do you think participating in
this show impacted your personalrelationship?
My personal relationship withwho just in general with like
your friends with.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Oh, like me as a person.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, you went single , but like, were you seeing
anybody before?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, no, I went single and then you know I can't
say how I left.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Of course, of course.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know, but I guess it impacted my relationships
and it definitely Okay.
The hardest part about beingthere was the fact that I
couldn't call like my mom andstuff like that like that's my
rock.
I literally just chopped her offat the airport right before
this and like when things kindof got tough, you know, I
couldn't text anybody, Icouldn't call anybody, I was

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just kind of there and so it'slike it makes you re-evaluate
the relationships that you hadgoing on on the outside world in
ways that you wouldn't havelike thought it would, if that
makes sense like it had methinking about like old
friendships, new friendships,like when you don't have
communication to people.
It kind of just makes you thinkand I, like halfway through, I

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went and bought like a journalso I was like journaling a lot
and journaling about like myfeelings and my friendships and
whatever it was that.
I was like thinking about itBecause we filmed this a while,
like a year ago.
This was filmed back in May.
So at the time, like I guessyou're still like kind of
learning about yourself andeverything, but all I wanted to
do was call my mom.
I would beg producers if Icould and they were like no.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Do you feel like?
Because in normal relationships, right people do stuff all the
time, whether it's cheating oreven just you know, a guy you're
dating maybe is flirting with agirl or texting a girl or
something like that, but there'sno cameras around.
You'll never know.
Flirting with a girl or textinggirl or something like that,
but there's no cameras around,you'll never know.
Yeah, does it make you losetrust a little bit now that
you're seeing it where it's likeoh shit, this guy that like
seemed like he was like thisgreat guy and super nice, but

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all of a sudden like oh, he'slike doing this shit behind.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm so glad that you brought that up, because,
because I haven't seen it right,it's like that is something
that I have been thinking about,where I'm, like I wonder what
I'm gonna see right, because Ionly know what happened from my
point of view.
Like I don't know what happenedbehind closed doors, I don't
know what anyone was saying intheir confessionals, like I
don't know what's gonna happenwhen it comes out.
Like I have no idea, but I'mcurious to see, like, what

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effect it may have.
Like for all I know everything.
Like could go exactly the waythat I saw it out of my eyes.
You know what I mean, but likewe just don't know until it airs
.
Because it's like it's a lot, awhole lot of like what the fuck
?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
you know what I mean yeah yeah, I don't know was
there any moments in the showwhere you questioned question
your participation?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
my what?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
my participation yeah , where you thought to yourself
what the fuck am I doing here?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I, I can't say that one.
You're gonna have to watch andsee that one.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Okay, sure sure I figured, but but one of the
things I actually was wondering,okay, so now that you've been
on like one side of it as asingle, member if, if they are.
If they ever offered you therole to go there as a couple,
yeah, would you ever do that?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
love that question too, because I have thought
about that.
If I was in a relationship andI really like loved my person
and I saw a future with them,realistically I wouldn't bring
them there.
However, like these couplesthat were on the show genuinely,
truly like we're going tofigure their stuff out to like

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and you'll see when it comes out.
You know they have specificthings that they were working on
like they have like actualthings.
Like each of them had aspecific reason as to why they
were there.
Like if I had a specific reasonwith my partner that I actually
wanted answers to do, I thinklike going on Temptation Island
is like the answer to likefinding that.
Maybe not, but it was a reallycool experiment to see what

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couples were strong and likemeant to be and like which ones
weren't you know what I mean.
So, like I guess to answer yourquestion, it would be like it
depends Depends.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
The sort of just like going back.
How are you?
I'm 24 24 okay, so kind ofgoing back before all this, what
?
What's your uh relationshiphistory?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
relationship history.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Before I, like, went on the show yeah, like how many
people have you dated?
How many people were you inserious?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
so I had a first love in high school and, um, I dated
him for about a year and then Imoved down to California.
Like, obviously, I dated hereand there, but officially, like
in a relationship with, I dated,um, another guy after that,
which is the whole reason Iactually moved to California.

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Um, I moved to San Diego.
I moved in with him at the timeand lived with him for like
seven, eight months I can'tremember exactly how long it was
, because it was a couple ofyears ago but then when we broke
up, I moved to LA.
So I moved from San Diego to LA.
And it's funny like I wasthinking about this, like I kind

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of want to write a book on likemy relationships because
they're so all over the place.
But like, my first really likereal relationship was definitely
like a like love first,everything kind of thing you
know.
And my second one was, I think,a learning lesson.
And then I haven't officiallydated someone.
Well, I have, but like I don'treally know how to explain that

(20:02):
relationship and I like probablyshouldn't talk about it either.
Um, but like I don't reallyknow how to explain that
relationship and I like probablyshouldn't talk about it either.
Um, but like the.
The first two were like.
The first one was like a deeperkind of like first everything
and then I learned learninglesson, and then so you said the
the second relationship was uh,you learning lesson what?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
lessons specifically did you?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I mean it was like one of those relationships that
was very deep, like in love, butalso very, very, very toxic,
and I think the thing like thebiggest learning lesson I got
from that was I mean, I moved inwith him like a week after I
met him.
I was like in love with himright like, again, I'm impulsive
, so I moved in with him.
I drove and I was like going tocollege at the time I was in

(20:41):
afy, I was like living in theAlpha Phi house and then I
switched to online campus.
I like drove my car all the wayto San Diego and moved in with
him and because we were livingtogether, I think we just got so
comfortable with each otherthat it was like co-living, very
comfortable, like anytime.
We got into an argument, wetook it home with us and it just

(21:03):
like turned into a very toxic,reliant relationship and it just
wasn't anything in any way thatI wanted.
So it took me like literallyhaving to move to LA to like get
over that relationship.
Because we like got backtogether even when I moved to LA
, because it was just that likepush and pull and very
codependent yeah, and it wasjust like we were just so in

(21:25):
love with each other that it wasjust like it was just very
intense, like the way that Icould describe it as a whole
thing was very intense, and likeI had to go to therapy after
that relationship.
I'm still in therapy with thesame therapist not for him
anymore, but like obviously shelike got me through that and
like I don't.
That relationship changed who,how I view relationships and who

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I am as a person.
I think like it was thatintense, it like really threw me
for a loop changed it in a goodway or a bad way changed in a
way that, like I I don't know,because it's like I haven't felt
the same in relationships sincethat relationship basically and
.
I think back to like the thingsthat had happened where I'm,
like you know, is this thereason why I am the way that I

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am today?
Is this, like you know, or didthese things really like like
mess me up that much?
Or is it just like me like notcoherently getting over?
I don't know, it was just a lot, like the whole thing was a lot
.
So overall, I'd say like maybein like a good and bad way you

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know what I mean Like we're nowI'm more aware of certain things
and I think I'm a lot moremature, but I also am, like you
know, a little fucked up.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, it's interesting because you like a
lot of people go through theseand it sounds like this
relationship was verychallenging it was traumatizing,
it was very.
You're in therapy for a blahblah, blah yeah and I feel like
a lot of people come out of thata little bit jaded, a little
bit negative a little bit manhating if that makes sense.

(23:00):
But like I don't read thatenergy off you at all, no, I
love you, just you seem likevery positive you seem very and
maybe like deep down.
You have like this other side toyou.
I don't know, but like you itseems like you like, really like
figured out a way to likejujitsu into a positive yeah, so
, like it's.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
So I'm a very I try to be positive, right and like,
obviously I, I think I'm a diva,like I think I'm just a little
diva, like I have an attitudesometimes, obviously, but like,
when I love someone, I love themvery, very hard and I think I'm
like very squishy, soft, likesunshine and rainbows, try to be
.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
You remind me of no annoying is not the right word.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Annoying.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, no, no, no, no, it's like it's like so, my
little sister, when I was little, you know you playing video
games with your friends and likeshe'd come in and like bop you
on the head with a pillow, likeyou seemed, like you were that
kid growing up.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know yeah, for sure like growing.
I mean, I have a brother, mybrother was my bestie and like
my family's very close together.
My parents are still marriedand they have for sure like
shown me a healthy example whichI am very, very like thankful
for, because I know that that'snot the case for a lot of people
.
I got very blessed with like myparents, but they have shown me

(24:15):
a very positive example of loveand what like love is, and you
know, like overpowering aspectsthat, and like hurdles and like
staying together through hardthings and like they're just so
in love with each other thatit's like I don't want to settle
for anything, but I also amaware of what is, you know, real
and like not real, and so Iguess, like my view on like

(24:41):
relationships has changed fromlike then to now, but like in a
way that I'm just like nottiptoeing but I'm like not.
I'm not gonna like waste my time, right like I'm very in a stage
of my life where it's like Idon't think I'm old by any means
, I don't think I have anythingfigured out.
I'm like not gonna waste mytime with something if I don't

(25:02):
think it's like applicable to mylife and also something that is
like fulfilling and supportiveand positive to me you know what
I mean, and there's a very fineline between like being open
and warm and like you know whatI mean, and but also if you're
too open yeah that's when youget taken advantage of, that's
when you get played or used, orright and

(25:24):
like it's really a tough line tocross, you know and honestly,
especially in LA and I'm sure alot of girls can relate to me on
this it's like I'm from Spokane, washington, like I'm from
Booneville.
I'm from like the country.
And like going from a smalltown like that, and then you
know I went to Washington StateUniversity Like I was a coug go

(25:48):
cougs and like coming from beingin a school at like Pullman,
switching to online campus anddriving down to San Diego, which
obviously I've like visited SanDiego before but I've never
like been.
And then like going from San, Ididn't even know this is going
to be so dumb, but I didn't evenknow this is gonna be so dumb.
But I didn't even know thatthere were beaches in LA.
I've never been LA.

(26:08):
I didn't know anything about LA.
Obviously I knew what Hollywoodwas from movies and stuff, but
I didn't know that like even Ididn't even know Disneyland was
here.
Like it's just dumb, but that'show small of a town I was like
from which obviously I thinkpeople from Spokane are probably
like dude, how do you not knowthat?
But like whatever, um, when Igot down here, I like um, wait,

(26:33):
what was I talking about?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
right before that uh, how you view relationships and
how it was you know you startedoff.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, innocent, and I was gonna say
that, moving down to la, likethe atmosphere here oops, the
atmosphere here is so fast paced, right, and I feel like the
guys out here are just a lotdifferent than like guys from my
hometown, right?
like their views and values aredifferent.

(27:01):
I mean, you're meeting people Inever thought I would meet
before, like relationships arejust different, like it's just
it's hard to keep a relationshipin LA, I think, like San Diego,
no, but like meeting a guy inLA and, like you know, actually
having a healthy, substantialrelationship, for me personally

(27:22):
has been tough.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, it's like playing the video game on hard
mode.
You know, video there's likeeasy, medium, hard and there's
like challenge, final boss, likethat's la.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's like yeah, I mean, it's just like, it's a
different environment and it'shard to explain to people that
don't live here.
But I think the girls that livehere will get it and have some
sort of an opinion on dating inLA, because it's just different
and it's like, it's hard, it'schallenging, I don't know, I
don't, because also, it's likeyou have Anaheim and then you
have San Diego and like majorityof my relationships that I've

(27:54):
had flings here haven't evenbeen in LA.
They've been elsewhere, likeeven like a like I had a
relationship with a dude that Imet in Cabo on spring break,
like, and he lived, he lived inIndiana, but it's like here, for
some reason, it's like so hardto meet, like not like any
disrespect to you guys.
I'm sure you're great.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Oh, I used to be a raging fuck boy.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Now I'm very shy.
I get that from you Back in theday, like you definitely went
to poppy.
I've been around the block afew times.
Catch you at Melrose Place.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I've matured a little bit since then.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
How old are?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
you About to be 34.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Do you have a girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Do you want a girlfriend?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
You know if it's the right person.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
yes, and this is the issue, people.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Explain explain.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, here's the thing.
It's like you're 34, how oldwere you 34?
Yeah yeah you're 34, how oldare you?
37 36, I don't know why I keepsaying that it's like these, you
know, I go to the club, I go todinner, I go anywhere, and
these guys are 34 and like noagain.
This is not to you, but I'msaying like I'm saying like come

(29:05):
at me.
No, I'm saying like in generalthese 34 year olds are at the
club.
Like that's the point you know.
Like, why are you not at homeworking with a dog or like kids?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
or something.
Here's the problem.
I'm saying I get what you'resaying, but here's the problem.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Okay, so clubs terrible way to meet people yeah
, you're gonna be like the scumof the earth.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Tinder terrible way to meet people.
Yeah, horrible Tinder terribleway to meet people.
People say, oh, Hinge is theclassy one, no, it's the same
pool of losers on all the apps.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh my God, no Blush, I do Blush's Blush ads, blush.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I've been to their parties.
I've never downloaded the app,to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
You have to download the app to get into the parties.
I think.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well, I've downloaded but I've never used it Like I
downloaded it to like send thenotification.
No, I'm getting, like I'mgetting actually bullied from my
blush ads.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
They're like oh my God, her voice sounds like that.
I'm not joining the app, Crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Oh, you're like a head of spokesman.
Yeah, no, I'm like that bitch.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Great app I use it all the time Raya has been's
like if you're on Raya, great,do your thing Like, enjoy.
But, I've never like looked atRaya and been like I need to be
on that.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, it used to be like celebrities and blah, blah,
blah.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
That's like any dude with like a four pack and like a
fake Bitcoin company is like onRaya, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I'm so dead, so true.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
But back to my point.
So so true, but but.
But back to my point.
So I'm like okay, that sucks,that sucks.
So I ask girls sometimes likewhere do you think I should meet
girls?
Then yeah and they always saysome bullshit.
Answer like the bookstore thebookstore I'm like.
Well, I'm gonna like it's amovie like we both go for the
book in our hands.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Touch, oh, you like fitzgerald too, oh my god, like
the gym is the most classic one.
Like oh, I met her at the gym.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Like nobody, you know , I've never met a guy at the
gym ever, and I go to the gymevery day and gym is tough
because, like a lot of girls, ifyou go talk to them in the gym
they're like what the fuck?
Another guy I'm trying tofucking work out you know what I
mean.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Do you want to be that guy?
That's like no mac in it on theon the gym girls exactly I feel
like the easiest way, and thisis like the thing that goes
along with it's hard dating inLA.
It's like I feel like the onlyway that people meet each other
is via Instagram DM, right likeI feel like that's how I meet
everybody that I've like evertalked to.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I feel like maybe I should just set up a trip wire
in front of the house just yeah,wait for somebody to fall?
Oh hey, let me help you out.
Boom, yeah, for real.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's like the only way I'm gonna be plotting and
planning your next, like how amI gonna meet a girlfriend, but
okay.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
But this brings me back to like you're okay, you're
34, so like yeah you don't havea girlfriend because you don't
want one right I mean ish likelike, it's like okay or you're
waiting for the right person inla, if you have money for a guy
is like the dream, like when Iwas fucking 22 and broke and
like no girls even like lookedat me like but every single guy

(31:45):
says that, but it is what,that's how it is kind of you
know that's how it is, butthat's why I'm saying it's so
hard to date in la, becauseevery guy that I've talked to is
like yeah, yeah, I have a lotof money and then I want to meet
a girl.
It's not the girl's fault or theguy's fault.
It's literally just like thebiology biological and like
sociological, like situationwe're in when you were like 18
and you were hot shit and youactually liked people hitting on

(32:06):
you.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I was not shit when I was 18.
You were fat back in the day orwhat.
I was fat in college, okay.
You got the glow up my centralbit, my central body's glow.
Those are the best peoplebecause then you develop the
personality.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
The obvious point that you're missing is this that
didn't come from money and hasmade their own money and has
made their own success, workedhard during their 20s.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So once you do have some sort of an accomplishment
and success after your 20s,which then falls into your 30s,
then you're all of a suddenthinking, especially being in LA
, because of the access, becauseof the environment and because
of how much there is going oneverywhere yeah you all of a
sudden think to yourself okay,now that I've had the success

(32:51):
and now that I've had all thehave this money and and access,
and and friends and all thesethings that I that I wanted.
Should I settle down or should Ilive my life because I didn't
get to live my life in my 20s?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
right, right, and I totally get that point of view
and I see the aspect Right.
But it's like that's where mypoint of like it's hard to date
in LA comes from, because it'slike I feel like a lot of guys
are on that trajectory, right,but then it's like you go back
to Spokane or Indiana, like Ijust, and like guys aren't on

(33:24):
that trajectory, like a lot ofmy friends from high school are
pregnant and married, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Sure, yeah, yeah, same with Wisconsin, yeah,
wisconsin.
Whoever you're dating, when yougraduate either high school or
college, boom, you just getmarried.
It's just the next thing you do, but it's like I can't even.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I mean, I'm on the same wave right now gonna, you
know, make a decision, anydecisions based off of my life
and where I'm at, but I do thinklike just the scene here itself

(33:59):
is um different if that makessense, okay, so let's, let's
talk about, let's talk aboutpre-show, right?
Because this is this is so.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Everything we're going to talk about is pre-show,
which means that, yeah, sowhich-show?
Yeah, so, which means that youknow, what I want to know is,
like your experiences prior tothe show.
So then, that way, we're notreally, like you know, talking
about anything afterwards.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So whenever you were meeting a guy in LA, you're
running into this issue of theydon't want to settle down.
Or were you running into theissue of meeting somebody that,
also like yourself, didn't wantto settle down?
Or were you running into theissue of meeting somebody that,
also like yourself, didn't wantto settle down?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
oh my gosh, that's such a good question.
Uh, I think like I've neverbeen opposed to settling down,
but I think in the past, when ithad gotten to that point and it
had like been like, okay, nowit's like we need to settle down
, I think I've shied away fromthat thought because it's like a

(35:01):
relationship takes two peopleit's very like give and take
right, and a lot of the time Iwasn't like I mean, I'm not
ready to give up some of thethings that I've been doing yet
because I'm enjoying my life,unless that person that I was
talking to was on the same like,the same things as me with, was
like completely on the samepath as me and was uplifting and

(35:22):
supportive in those ways andlifestyle.
Does that make sense.
But like, if not, I feel like,yeah it, like I've definitely
turned.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know not wanted anything in the past so then
wouldn't you argue that you werethe problem?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I'm not done I mean, I don't know, like, maybe I'm
the problem, like I feel likeI'm in therapy am I the problem
like?
Maybe like.
I think it like in some aspects, yeah, it probably was a
problem, but in other aspectsmaybe not.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Like no, but I, I understand completely what
you're saying, because that'show I feel is like okay, like
okay I could have like settleddown countless times with
somebody that was like prettygood, yeah, you know what I mean
?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
like pretty good, yeah, you know what I mean Like
pretty good and like that's.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I think most people who get married like.
I said in Wisconsin oh, I'mdating you after college.
We click you know, I don't hateyou, you know like you don't
make me like angry all the time,so like just get married and
then like happy wife, happy lifeand then you go to 60, fucking
change your diapers and like.
Yeah facts and like yeah, facts, I don't know like that life

(36:37):
was kind of scary.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, I agree.
What if you have an ugly baby?
It's like oh, this is a greatepisode because we got both the
female and the male version ofcommitment issues.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, commitment concerns in one place concerns,
I mean commitment issues arelike commitment issues I feel
like arise after you'vecommitted.
Commitment.
Concerns are like you know whatyou're thinking before, the
before, the like feeling in yourstomach of like fuck do I

(37:04):
commit?
You know what I mean and likeit's.
That's like the gray area, whereI think people sit in for a
long time before the commitmentyou know actually comes.
And like the gray area is not afun place to be, whether it's
me making that decision or theperson that I'm with.
Like in my opinion, I think thelonger that you stay in the

(37:25):
gray area, the like moredifficult it's going to be to
like have a you know, unlessyou're comfortable there and
you're on you know on thoseterms and you've talked about it
collectively agreed.
Like yeah, I want to be in this, these are my boundaries, don't
cross this line.
We can stay here until thistime, or like whenever we're
ready, then it's like fine,whatever, but like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well, that's the thing you just described outside
of the gray area.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And what you described, that is, outside of
the gray area, exactly yeah,gray area, yeah, and what you
described, that is, outside ofthe gray area.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Communication, I guess, exactly, yeah,
communication it happens withcommunication, yeah, and a lot
of people avoid communication.
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
And it's most of the time as a result of the fear of
how the other person is going torespond.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, If they do communicate, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
If they open themselves up Totally.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
The fear of getting rejected, getting shut down.
So right, yeah, and I likedefinitely agree with that.
I mean, I also think like,depending on how stable you are
with the person that you'retalking to, like trust wise, you
know, like that is also a bigindicator on if it's going to be
a successful like ting, youknow, because it's like if the
person that you're talking to,you know did something that

(38:37):
rubbed you the wrong way, saidsomething that rubbed you the
wrong way, there was an instancethat happened where it, like
you know, made you feel acertain type of way, gave you
some sort of anxiety I just feellike being able to, you know,
actually use your words and openup about your concerns and
stuff.
It's like I mean, at least, forfor me, I get a lot more
shelled when I'm feeling a lotmore anxious if I want it to

(39:00):
work out with that person andsomething's bothering me, like I
kind of close down I can'treally talk about it to like you
, because I want them to like me.
It's like if I'm already feelingthis kind of way about this
person and they're acting thisway towards me and then I bring
up my concerns like it's gameover, he's not going to want to
talk to me anymore.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I don't know and sometimes it is.
This was just never going towork out because you have
misaligned values but, then,neither of you is like sharing
that value yeah so then itwouldn't have worked out anyway.
But it's just keeping it goingalong because you put the
band-aid over and they can't seeit yet.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So I guess it's like there's different ways to look
at, you know, these types ofrelationships in the gray area
and commitment, like it's allperspective I think of like who
you are as a person, too, as abig indicator and like what
you've gone through, because,like I know, my learning lessons
have carried on to myrelationships after that one.
So, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
So the relationship that you had with the San Diego
boy We'll call him San Diegoboy- hey, San Diego boy.
Are you guys still friends oryou don't talk anymore?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
No, yeah, no, okay, we don't talk anymore.
I see him here and there, likeevery once in a while.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
How long was that relationship?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
So I lived with him for seven, eight months.
I honestly it was two years ago, I was 21 into 22.
And I'm 24 now, so maybe eventhree, like it was a while ago
and it was, we did the you know,the seven months living

(40:38):
together eight months.
And then when I moved down toLA we tried again.
Um, for a while I think it waslike that was like another, like
four or five months, maybe six,and because, like again, it was
so, toxic.
It was so off and on it was like, yeah, the trajectory was like
the actual timeline of things isso blurry to me because it's

(40:58):
like I'm just like I was sowrapped up in everything that
like I can't even give like anactual answer.
But overall it was about like ayear, like maybe a little over
a year let's call a year and ahalf.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, on and off, yeah sure the.
So from 21 to 23, let's say umin between that timeline yeah
what made it so, because youkept you've been, uh, saying
this multiple times.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
What made it so toxic , like, specifically,
specifically, like I don't wantto point the finger and be like
it was him, because it's likeyou know, takes two people to
make a relationship sure however, just like I think our
communication styles didn'tmatch up, I think, like, looking
back on it, like we were soclose to each other, like too

(41:44):
close, too fast, that, like whenproblems did come up, the way
that we handled them, it's likehe took a more like aggressive
like route of like addressingthings and, like you know, get
mad and aggressive like route oflike addressing things and,
like you know, get mad andwhatever.
I would kind of just cry andthen we would argue and like the
way that we handled things wasjust different.
And I think, like ourpersonalities even though, like

(42:06):
he's a Scorpio, I'm a Leo andlike if anyone knows anything
about Scorpio men, like they'rejust, you know, hard to handle
and like we were truly bestfriends, like I didn't know
anybody else when I was livingin San Diego.
I only knew him right because Imoved across the, I moved for
him and I think, like the longerthat we stayed together and the

(42:30):
more that problems came up, theheavier there was like weight
on our relationship and theharder it was like move past
certain things, and then it justgot like too tied up, like it
got the spider web, got too big,and then it was, like you know,
on top of the way that we bothhandled things and our different
communication styles and, likeyou know, I think I have an

(42:51):
anxious attachment style when itcomes to relationships Like all
of that combined it just waslike a lot and it just didn't
work out.
It was too much you know, andyeah, he like he was like I
don't want to like talk bad, buthe just wasn't nice to me.
It was not a good relationshipand it was.
It was hard, it wastraumatizing.
What did, what did?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It was hard, it was traumatizing.
What did your family thinkabout it?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
He was never.
He wasn't even allowed.
He didn't meet any of myfriends.
He wasn't allowed over.
He couldn't meet my like,didn't meet my family.
What?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
do you mean he wasn't allowed over?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Like like my friends could hear and see the things
that he was saying to me andthey didn't let him come over.
They were like he's never, wedon't want to meet him.
No one supported ourrelationship because it's like
when I moved from san diego tola, you know, and we got back
together like again he was notnice to me at all, like my
friends could like see thethings that he was saying and it
was very like emotionallyabusive.

(43:47):
I would say like it was a lotand um, it was just very like
mean stuff.
And so when they saw that, theywere like obviously he's not
going to come over, like I don'twant to meet him and my mom
hated him a lot and how old washe when you met him?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
he was a year younger than me.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You're younger than he was he wasn't even 20, or I
think he had just turned 21.
Sorry, I went to say he wasn'teven 21, I think he had just
turned 21.
Sorry, I went to say he wasn'teven 21.
I think he had just turned 21.
And then I was almost 22 when Ihad met him.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
So, looking back, do you remember his abusive nature
starting right off the bat, ordid it take a while until you
started to notice those signs?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I think it was pretty early on, like pretty early
Cause we met, like we met thewith the story of how we met is
actually crazy.
He like commented on my Tik TOKand I had like I clicked on his
profile and again, this wasback when I was in college.
I didn't have any followers oranything like that.
I was just kind of like there.
And, yeah, he commented on mytiktok and he was like um, check

(44:56):
dms or something, and I clickedon his profile.
He had zero followers, zeroposts or like just a profile
picture, which, like, maybe thiswas bad on my part, but like I
never responded back to comments.
Like at that, like at that age,I just was kind of like
casually using tiktok and I Ididn't even think twice and I
was just just like, oh, like Iforget what I said, I said
something.

(45:16):
And then I looked, you know, andI saw his Instagram and I was
like wait, he's actually kind ofcute, he's very my type, and so
we started like texting backand forth and he was like have
you ever been to Coachella?
And I was like no, I haven'tbeen to Coachella.
And um, and then, you know,ironically, my family was my

(45:38):
grandparents and, like some ofmy family, lives in the desert.
Ironically, my whole family hada trip booked at the same
weekend as Coachella that year,and so he came and picked me up
from my grandma's house and tookme to Coachella.
I'd never met him before in mylife.
We like talked on the phone andstuff and I had the best
weekend ever.
Like I like fell in love withhim over Coachella and then I

(46:00):
was like, oh my God, I need tolive with him.
Like I'm obsessed.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah, Molly's a powerful drug.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
No, do not do drugs.
I did not do drugs, but yeah, Iwas like I was in love with him
for sure.
Yeah, I was like I was in lovewith him for sure.
Yeah, enough to move, like,over to San Diego and live with
him.
I was young, though, too, andlike whatever, like I feel like
my whole life I do I play.
I call it PBEB, like, play bear, babe, I'm just PBEB.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
There's two types of people in the world right.
There's people that play itvery safe.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
And they have great content, lives and like not a
lot of stress and everythinglike that.
And then there's people whojust like the wild.
Oh no, I'm a yes girl and it'slike yeah, some people think
they have bad lives because,like there's a lot of lows, but
then also like you also get thebig highs too, that some of
these little other guys are justlike never get that experience

(46:59):
and like what is life if you'renever going to just fucking live
, you know yeah what's the funin life if you're not like going
to say yes to some things.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
And like I just I love trying new things.
I love meeting new people.
I'm very outgoing, very social.
I love making new friends, likeif there's any an opportunity
for me to like try something new, I mean I'm down and like it's
led me to amazing friendships,it's led me to amazing memories,
like, and I still feel like Ihave so much more.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
So I my advice to anybody watching is just like
say yes, yeah, you saidsomething with regards to blush
and how, um, people are likecoming after you, and so, I
think what you know, with thatin mind, and also with the
combination of show coming out,how are you gonna deal with
public perception and andpotential criticism?
I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I'm really scared.
I mean I don't even like lovelooking at myself in photos.
I'm trying to get used to that.
I'm trying to like do moreshoots and stuff like that and
like like myself.
And you know it's just going tobe weird seeing myself, you
know, and knowing that like aton of people are looking at the
same thing, without any editing, without any, it's just raw

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footage, right, and like theblush ads.
I'm getting a lot of commentson my voice.
I think I just have like an lavalley girl voice, like
unintentionally a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, but it's like that's your voice,
my voice, I'm like yeah what amI gonna do about it?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
like I and so I'm, I feel like, whatever people say,
whatever, like I'm confident andlike I'm happy with who I am.
So I'm just going to have tolike block out the haters.
I laugh at some of the commentson the blush thing because I'm
like okay, Billy, one, two,three, Like.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I get it.
I'm annoying Like bye.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's whenever I think about
like do people really care?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I just think like there was a guy who cheated on
his pregnant wife with a pornstar and got caught and then got
elected president of the UnitedStates.
I'm like nobody cares, likewhenever people were like oh,
should I post this?
Are people going to?
I'm like nobody cares.
Nobody actually cares.
People just like pretend tocare.

(49:14):
Wait, I'm like nobody cares.
Nobody actually cares.
People just like pretend tocare.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Wait, I'm dead.
That's funny yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
People do pretend to care and like anyone's going to
say whatever they're going tosay and I just feel like, as
long as it's like nothing thatreally hits me hard, I'm going
to be completely fine.
Like I'm sure people are goingto say stuff about my lips and
my botox and like whatever Imean it is what it is like the
jealousy.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
The jealousy is real.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
The haters are gonna hate, or like people are gonna
be uplifting and supportive andlike I'd love the support and
like that's what I'm hoping for,but I just I have no idea.
So, like, if it does end upbeing a lot of negativity back
towards me, I guess I'm justgonna have to like roll with the
punches and like pbb play byear see how.
I'm gonna handle it that's anew one.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
What was the most?
And I don't know we might haveto, I might have to re-ask you
this question later on if youcan't answer it now.
But what was the mostchallenging aspect of being on
the show?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
the most.
This is like a no-brainer.
For me was like not having anyconnection out here, like truly
I am a people person andobviously I got really close
with the girls and then everyoneelse, the rest of the cast.
I was there, but like nothaving any sort of outlet.
To like get a perspective on mypoint of view on what's going
on, or like get advice, or justlike hear someone that I was

(50:30):
familiar with was hard you knowwhat I mean because it's like
you're going through anemotional rollercoaster out
there and when you're emotional,like who do you turn to?
And like imagine not being ableto turn to any of those people
and having to figure everythingout on your own, your feelings,
what to do next.
Like you know how to handlecertain situations Like that's

(50:50):
that was for sure the hardestpart like not being having any
type of communication withanyone that was in my circle.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Understandable?
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
You don't know who you can trust and yeah, I'm sure
if you asked each one of usgirls that question, we would
probably all have a differentanswer, just depending on, like
you know, each of ourexperiences.
But, like, personally for me itwas that Like and I think
everyone who was on the showlike could vouch for me for that
Every day I'm like can I callmy mom?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
How much drama should we expect from this new season
of Temptation Island?
Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Lots, lots and lots of drama, lots of temptation,
Lots of fun, fun, fun TV.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I'm excited it's gonna be a really good show,
it's like it's.
I mean, yeah, it was a lot, alot of drama can you, is it
possible for you, to talk aboutany of the dramatic like any
sort of?
I know there are like trailersout there trailers are out there
yeah, in.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
In the trailers they kind of just showed our reveal.
I mean they showed, you know,obviously the boys and like the
girls tempting the boys and likevice versa, like it's I mean
you're watching couples in reallife being tempted by like us,
and it's like you know, seeingthe things that they're going

(52:22):
through and that they're tryingto work on and then like how
they handle it with temptation.
So it's the honestly theconcept of the show for to me is
very interesting, like I Ithink it's amazing I think it's
a great show concept and I thinklike when you guys do watch,
you'll kind of see howeverything unfolds.
And it's funny too.
It's like I I went to Pilates,um, and I walked in and my

(52:43):
instructor was like oh, Irecognize you because she
actually had worked on likepost-show Netflix and, um, she
watched the whole thing throughand she said her husband was
like throwing the remote at theTV because he was like so mad at
the guys.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
That's funny, yeah.
What advice would you givesomebody considering joining a
reality show?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
In my advice.
I mean, like I said I'm a yesgirl, do it Like I feel like
it's something, it was fun andit was new, and like I'm excited
, excited, like I made a ton ofnew friends there.
Like I mean I was, you know, atthe time, 20, I think I was 23.
I was 23 and it's so long ago,it's like hard for me to

(53:29):
remember it was a year ago.
Um, but like I would never sayno to turning down something new
because like it's just anotheropportunity of a new experience,
right, and like I don't know,like I said, I'm a yes girl.
So like if somebody wasinterviewing, I mean, why the
heck not you know, you don'tknow what can happen for me.
You can meet the love of yourlife, you can make a best friend

(53:50):
like you never know.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So who's uh?
Are there reality stars thathave been completely destroyed
as a result of being on areality show?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I think, yes, but I really think like, if you wanted
to like, let's say you gotdestroyed somehow on this the
show, everybody hates you yeah,there's that guy in bachelor the
bachelors.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Was he in bachelors or bachelors?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
and, uh, or bachelorette oh, the bachelor
are you talking about?
Um?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
oh, my god, not chase , but um chad chad oh yeah the
one on the aaron rogers seasonfuck you, what fuck you, chris
harrison yeah, yeah, yeah, thatguy, yeah, that guy was.
But even that, like, I feellike you could just like, lay
out of the public eye for like ayear and people will forget
about if you wanted to like.
If you keep bumping yourself onInstagram, okay, you can keep
it rolling, yeah, but I feellike people will forget.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, you know, I mean.
I hope that's not the case.
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I think people are like you.
Actually, I think you're veryendearing.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, I think you're very endearing.
Thank you, that's really nice.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Do you have plan for what to capitalize on on the
reality.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
What does that mean?
What does capitalize mean?
Yeah, what does that mean?
Uh, like, like, take advantageof the opportunity of the being
in the entertainment industry oh, being in the well, okay, so
I'm like growing your socialmedia whatever yeah, no, that I
mean that was never a thought ofmine.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
It was basically just like I can't talk about like my
sole reason as to why I went onthe show, but like I talk about
it on the show.
So I think you'll see when itcomes out.
At the time I was actually Iwas working for my agency.
Like I said, that's how I kindof got like recruited on there,
so like I was already prettycontent and like happy with what
I was doing and, like I said, Iwas just like I'm a yes girl.

(55:41):
So when I got presented theopportunity, I mainly just I
mean I was just taking it to seelike what, if and um, again,
you'll see on the show like if,if they even air it and if not,
we can talk about it after surebecause, like, I don't exactly
know what they're gonna air, butI know it was, in a lot of a
few of my like importantconversations, the sole reason
why I did take the show.
Um, I mean, obviously I thinkit's a thought for everyone who
is going on a major platformlike netflix.

(56:01):
Like I think it'd be a lie tobe like none of us have thought
about like potentialopportunities sure right.
But like, at the end of the day,like I said, I think each of us
went on for a specific reasonand, um, um, if you asked any
one of us, like, especially theco, I mean the couples they went
on to either save or like breakup their relationship too.
So, uh, I mean that's kind oflike an open-ended question.

(56:25):
But at the end of the day, it'slike I'm not opposed to
anything and I'm not saying noto anything and I'm just like
still still, you know, trying tonavigate, being 24 and like
going through my life you knowwhat I mean?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
yeah, it's a lot, but I'm excited what would you
consider so like after afterhaving been on the show?
Right and and this is a this isa two-part question, so so the
first part is what do youconsider cheating?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And second part of it is that view change after being
on the show.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Okay, my perception of cheating is if it's like and
I think people will disagreewith me on this but to me,
liking a girl's Instagram postand commenting, and like hanging
out with a girlfriend of mine,I don't think any of that is
cheating.
I think that's pretty platonic.
Um, for me, cheating is likemeeting up with someone

(57:24):
physically, like doing somethingwith someone, having an
emotional connection withsomebody else, and like hiding
it, like anything like that tome is cheating.
But like whoever, whoever I'm,I can't say that you have to cut
that out, but anyways, that tome is cheating.
And yeah, and then what wasyour next question after that?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Has your perception changed since you've been on the
show?
Has?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
my perception changed since I've been on the show.
No.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Okay, so you've always had this perspective.
Yeah, cheating is cheating.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
in my opinion, it's a very firm line and you
shouldn't cross that line.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Well, you said cheating is cheating, but what
you said was emotionalconnection would be cheating.
Yeah, which means it's not justa physical act.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Oh, okay, now you're having me question because it's
like okay, I think like there'sdifferent types of cheating,
right, there's like emotionallycheating on someone, there's
physically cheating on someone,and I think, depending on who
you are, those can go hand inhand together or they can be
looked at, you know, as the same, or they could be a separate
thing in itself, like somepeople think physically cheating

(58:32):
is the only type of cheating.
Some people, people you know,see both or whatever.
What's physically cheatinghaving sex making out like any,
honestly anything right, like ifmy man is touching another girl
in an inappropriate way, that'scheating right.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So if your man is touching the the, the woman's
like face, for example, Okay, no, okay no like okay so not any
touching, is he?
Touching her face to like leanin for a kiss to flirt, booping
her on the nose like it's justno, it's just like touching to
flirt to flirt.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, like no, that's not cheating, but that's just
like.
Why the fuck are you touchingher face?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
don't touch her face to flirt, to get some, like you
know reaction.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I guess cheating is like yeah but it's flirting I
think anything like making outhaving sex like that is cheating
okay, so that's the line.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
That's the line.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Okay, got it but like don't touch another girl's face
in front of me or behind myback, or you know, text someone
like so don't do don't do thetouching but if you did, I'm not
going to consider cheating.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Okay, got it it's just like bad.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
It's not cheating, it's just like don't do Like, if
it's going to hurt my feelings,like don't do it.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Okay, and then emotional cheating.
What is that?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Emotionally.
Cheating is, in my opinion,when you're you know, let's say
like this is a very, very.
This is an example.
This has never happened to me.
Okay, this is just somethingthat came into my head.
Like I've seen a lot of moviessomething like that.
You have a wife at home or, forme, a husband.
You go to the office, right,there's a co-worker that you

(01:00:01):
like, that you enjoy spendingtime with, like Pam and Jim at
the office.
Think about that.
And then it's like you knowshe's married to Roy, and then
it's like Pam and Jim kind ofstart like getting close with
each other and there's somethingthere and you know it, but
you're not like taking action onit.
And then you know you starttexting and then you're like

(01:00:22):
flirting over text and thenyou're making plans and you're
gonna like hanging out, and thenyou're like, oh no, babe, it's
just like a co-worker chill, whyare you tripping, you know.
But then in reality, it's like,and I feel like too, or guys
even have a sixth sense of tolike when this is even happening
.
I do, I know that, but, likeyou know, to me when it gets to
like that level of like, if Ilook through your messages, you

(01:00:44):
know, and you rip my phone outof my, out of my hands, like,
okay, you're obviouslyemotionally cheating on me If
you haven't already physicallycheated on me.
You know what I mean?
Sure, okay, you're obviouslyemotionally cheating on me if
you haven't already physicallycheated on me.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I mean Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Do you guys agree with that or like is that just
my?
I mean, I think, as long asthere's two distinctions for it,
where there's cheating and thenthere's emotional cheating,
which is like a differentcategory.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I feel like you don't agree with me.
You're giving me like a face.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
No, it's not that I agree, or?
Disagree, agree, I think, Ithink everybody has their own
line of what's what theyconsider hurtful to them and
what they consider cheating andwhat they don't consider
cheating and I think, and Ithink it doesn't really matter
what I personally think about itI think that's a communication
that most people should have,that they don't have I think
like physically hooking up withsomeone, that's like, that's
like cheating, that's crossingthe line, that's like he cheated
.
Well, of course, yeah, I mean ifyou, if you do end up making

(01:01:36):
out with someone or you know tohave sex with someone and you're
not supposed to be having thatthen yes, that's yeah, but what
if they were a condom?
If they were a condom that's itlike do not date this man you
are a walking red flag dressedin black.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You're terrible okay if you wash your hands with
plastic gloves on what's yoursign?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
he asked me my sign.
What is your sign?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I'm the best one are you scorpio?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
no pisces okay, cute, I like pisces what are the best
smart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I shouldn't be fist bumping you I don't agree yeah,
I'm straight white male andpisces, so like my privilege
watch out for him at poppy no,not wednesdays.
I'm a recovering fuck boy, not,okay.
I'm very shy, so you're likereading the book and okay, I got
it.
Yeah, but I was a professional.
I was a professional fuck boyback you can't say that like

(01:02:25):
proudly you're like saying thatlike oh yeah, I was a
professional fuck boy.
Well, I don't want to be likethe little amateur ones nowadays
, that with little timu earringsthat they got, you know off of
tiktok shop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Yeah, he's been called a sociopath in our
comment section, so yeah, that'sfake news.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
That's fake news.
Cnn.
Don't believe anything you hearin the team.
Who is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
the guys texting us like, hey, I want to come to
miami, yeah, yeah the dudes withno headboard on their bed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Their bed touches two walls like a poor person
specific.
I never would have said that orguessed that like okay and then
you go and it's just smashed upinto the corner this is so
specific.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
No idea what a nightstand is, just no fucking
clue it's got like a vape from aweek ago and like this thing of
melatonin three in one shampooin the shower.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Puts that shit in his dishwasher.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Okay, we're totally off track.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
All right, all right, yeah I mean honestly, I feel
bad for girls nowadays Because,like we have, like that's what
I'm saying.
It's like you have guys like mewho are like 34 and like I got
it now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Guys like you or you have looked like I've heard
stories.
And now you're like be likeguys like me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Okay, I have a lot of female friends and you know
girls, they always like snooparound in guys' bathrooms Like
they're like Velma fromScooby-Doo trying to find the
clues you know.
So they tell me things aboutlike their ics, and then they
come on the podcast.
Oh, this guy.
Here's my red flag on this guy.
This guy takes his shirtlessoff as an la fitness.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I fear we should go and get a drink, like definitely
a vodka red bull is calling ourname, maybe like an espresso
martini.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
That's the vibe that I'm getting I'd love to see what
your bedroom looks like.
Oh, back right now it looksgreat, you can see it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
It's right over there .
You can see it right now.
You can see exactly how itlooks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, two nightstands , yeah, two nightstands.
You know like an adult.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
No headboard big headboard giant head, the
biggest headboard you've everseen oh my god, I'm actually one
in one shampoo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah, you know I'm done shitting on you.
It's all good.
I'll see you at poppy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I'll see I'll see you at Poppy.
I'll see you at Poppy.
We'll both pretend like wedon't go to these clubs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, I'll be like wait, have you guys heard of
this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
We'll see each other from across the room and kind of
like acknowledge each other'spresence, like look down, yeah,
for real.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Wait, that's funny, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
He's a funny man, yeah, yeah, um what's your
biggest red flag?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
my biggest red flag and a guy or mine like me,
you're gonna cover both.
Okay, what is my biggest redflag?
I think my biggest red flag isthat I'm gonna say I don't have
a red flag and I think mybiggest red flag for a guy oh,
this is a good question actually, because I've given this some
thought, like usually, if youare okay, wait, I need to think

(01:05:18):
about this.
I've had bad experiences withguys who make a lot of money and
I don't want to say that that'sa red flag, but, like, for some
reason, those men with theirreceding hairlines and that you
know have a solid income havefucked me over hardcore, like
get a toupee, but um turkey.

(01:05:44):
You know, first class ticketlike I feel like that's a for
real.
I feel like that's a physical,like what is a red flag, are you
?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
talking about guys with money or guys who pretend
they have money.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I mean both Like no, honestly, I take that back.
Guys with true money and I'veonly talked to two.
Let me rephrase that Both ofthem ended up being horrible
people for me.
So, horrible, like traumatizing, and one of them was my ex that
we were talking about earlier.
So, uh, like I don't want tosay that, well, I don't want to

(01:06:18):
say that that's a red flag,because it's like I feel, you
know, I don't want to shit onsuccessful men for like living
their lifestyle and beingsuccessful and like touche.
But like I just think, if maybeit's the way that they like a
lot, like my ex would hold itover my head a lot and that was
something very early on that,you know, happened where I was

(01:06:40):
like kind of like ooh, I don'tknow, I don't like how I feel
about this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yeah, so you're kind of theopposite of most girls, I don't
know.
So you get turned on when, like, a guy takes you on a trip and
you see the tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
My love language is quality time.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Airlines 77.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I like quality time.
I love making memories.
I love, love quality time.
I was like it's my favoritething ever, like if we could go
and this is, I think, comingfrom a small town like my mom
and I went and got boxed wineand went to the shittiest AMC
down the street last night andwe had the best time.
We saw the monkey, by the way,and it was fire.
It was funny and scary, um, butlike, because I think I grew up

(01:07:17):
in Spokane, it's like you knowI enjoyed.
Like you know I have a lakehouse, but like a little cabin
lake house, and it's like Ienjoy having bonfires and like
drinking beer, like ridingmotorcycles and like going to a
dive bar.
Like that's kind of my thing,not my thing, but it's like I
enjoy those things.
So it's like you know, steppinginto a world like LA and coming

(01:07:40):
from there and then having youknow dating someone who came
from a very wealthy family andhaving you know things kind of
handed to me was new and like Ididn't know it was a red flag.
At the time I kind of was justliving and rolling with the
punches, but it started turninginto, like you know, holding you
know things over my head thatwere superficial, that I didn't

(01:08:01):
even care about, where I was,kind of like I don't care about
that, I care about this.
I care about the way thatyou're handling things.
I care about the way that youtreat me like.
I care about the fact thatyou're like like not going to
come and spend time with me andyou're going to do this instead
for this reason, like so.
And then the guy that I hadtalked to right after that,
literally like we when we brokeup officially, I got into

(01:08:23):
another year-long relationship,but it never it turned into
dating for like two days and hecheated on me, obviously because
it just like wasn't the thing.
And he also was very successfuland like again, I applaud the
men who are successful like getyour bag, but it was like I
don't know.
He kind of had the same mindsetas you is like you know, he was

(01:08:44):
very focused on his career andlike making more money than he
already had and like treated melike shit because of it you know
yeah, so I think my red flag islike it's not a red flag if you
have money, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I think it's just like something that I have
trauma with it's like typicallythe guys who have money
typically fit a certainpersonality.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, like they're just not.
I mean, from my experience, thetwo guys that I talked to that
you know were successful werethe meanest to me.
You know I haven't talked to alot of people but like the ones
that I have, like weren't niceto me.
You know I haven't talked to alot of people but like the ones
that I have like weren't nice tome you know and then my
greatest relationships were guysthat like were from my small

(01:09:20):
town or that I met from anothersmall town or like you know,
worked a nine-to-five, so it'slike, and though, and I was like
obsessed with these guys youknow what I?
mean, it's just like I don'tknow.
I guess it's all perspective,but like I, I am blind.
I've noticed and this issomething that I'm working on is
like I'm very blind.
Red flags I'm like I'm startingto try and like read them

(01:09:42):
earlier on, but like when, likeI said, when I love, I love hard
, and because I am that way,it's like when I like someone, I
kind of just throw everythingout the window, right, because
I'm like I like this person, Idon't care about anything else
and like.
Because I'm that way, it's likeit almost makes it hard to
really recognize things untilafter it's happened what made
you feel obsessed with theseguys?

(01:10:04):
which ones the, the ones youwere obsessed with the ones that
, oh, the ones that I wasobsessed with.
Um, okay, so I think, like, ifyou look at all of my exes, they
all look completely different.
Like my first ex was Asian, mysecond one was fully Hispanic,
my you know relationships that Ihad.

(01:10:26):
Following that second one, myteens looked completely
different Five, seven, six, four, like you know, and I think I
tend to go for the guys that Iconnect with the most on like an
emotional level.
So like I think I'm justattracted to, like personality,

(01:10:48):
like I'm attracted to guys thatlike I can go out with and have
the best time with and we canleave and do our own thing and
sit on a curb for two hours, andlike I'm like you know, I don't
know, and like I think thereason that I like latched on so
quickly to these guys isbecause, like I would have those
that connection really quick on, and then I'd be like, oh yeah,
this is it, and then I wouldignore all the red flags and

(01:11:10):
jump super quick into it andthen you know, we talk for a
month, two months, three months,whatever it was, and then I
would ignore all the red flagsand jump super quick into it and
then, you know, we'd talk for amonth, two months, three months
, whatever it was, and then whenproblems started arising,
that's when we would start kindof like you know, that's when I
would start kind of noticinglike wait, maybe this isn't like
my end game, maybe this isn'tlike the right person for me.
I don't like the way that youtalked this way.
I don't like the way that youtreated my friend that way.

(01:11:30):
I don't like the way that youhandled this Like, but I like
you because X, y, z, you knowwhat.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Okay, so yeah, I guess like the reason that I
would like get so obsessed isnot the right fucking word into
yeah, attached, like I likethese people, the people that I
talk to.
I think it's just like I'minitially drawn to like the
energy.
I'm a big energy person becauseI give a lot of energy.
I feel like I'm very outgoingand I try to stay positive and

(01:12:02):
whatever, whatever.
So when I meet someone thatmatches my energy, it's like you
Like yeah, you catch my vibe, Ilike this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, you give a lot of energy.
If you met someone who gave thesame energy, you could like
power the grid with that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
That's like a lot of fucking energy in one spot yeah,
right, but it's like I alsoneed to handle with care bumper
sticker, like you need to knowhow to handle my emotions, right
.
So it's like, even though Icome with a lot of energy, I
still need someone who can likeunderstand the way that I am and
like support that and likenavigate that and like uplift me

(01:12:37):
in a way that's comforting.
And my biggest thing iscommunication, too.
Like if there's a guy that cancommunicate his feelings and be
mature about situations, to methat's hot, like okay, you know
how to talk and you aren'tscared to like show how you feel
.
It just means that you wantthis with me, right, because
it's like we can get throughthis if you can talk to me about
the way that you're feelingyeah, do you talk about the way

(01:12:59):
you're feeling?
yeah, I'm an open book.
The fuck like do I look?
Like I don't talk you look likean open book.
You seem like an open book yeah, no, I talk about what I'm
feeling.
I mean for sure, like ifthere's a situation that I'm
upset about, like of course I'mgonna say something, I'm gonna
be the first to, like you know,be like, hey, can we talk about
this?
But yeah, I don't know.

(01:13:20):
I guess it just depends on theperson interesting, that's funny
.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
What is the wildest thing you've ever done?
The wildest thing go on anetflix show called temptation
island prior to the show whatwas the wildest thing you've
ever done?

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
the wildest thing I've ever done.
I mean, probably, like we hadalready talked about moving out
to california after meeting aguy for like online, I thought
that I think about that a lot.
Like obviously everythinghappens for a reason and like
there was a reason that you knowI'm where I am today and I

(01:13:59):
think, like if that had nothappened, like the way the
butterfly effect to me is real,like the friendships that I've
made, the people that are in mylife right now have connected
because I'm out here, because ofthat relationship.
However, looking back on it, ifI had a daughter and you know
my parents were always kind oflike we trust you, like whatever

(01:14:20):
makes you happy, do your ownthing, but also concerned.
But if I think if I had adaughter and you know she was
like, um, hey, mom met this guyat Coachella, like he's saying I
can move in with him, like I'mgoing to do it.
It I'd probably be like thefuck, you are going down there.
So that was the craziest thingthat I did, but also the biggest
reward.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Long term, I would say it's interesting because
what you just described is likeadmitting that what you did was
wrong, and yet I'm gonna sayit's admitting that I wouldn't
advise it.
But would you stop yourdaughter?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
would I what?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
would you stop her?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
no, oh, it depends like.
Because, like, if my mom hadstopped me, I would have I don't
know where I would have beenbecause I would have stayed in
spokane and like I love my lifeout here right now.
So I think because of thatreason, I would not like,
because my mom, you know, and mydad let me come down here and

(01:15:27):
experience things on my own, andalso I had like literally half
of a semester of college left,like I was like pretty much done
.
So it's like, you know, I thinkthe only thing is like, and my
parents had met my ex before Imoved down, so they were
comfortable with me moving down,right.
So it's like, yeah, I probablywould let my daughter do it if I
had met the boy and the parents, and like I knew that she was

(01:15:49):
going to be in a safeenvironment for sure.
I just think, like when you askme what's the craziest thing
that I've done, I think that'spretty crazy, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
It is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, like I don't think a lot of people can say
that they like met someone andthen like changed their whole
life for them.
You know, after a week, Likeit's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, I try to wrap my head around that idea and and
and how somebody could come tothe conclusion that that is okay
to do yeah given the fact thatif you had told me that this
person ended up being, you know,the greatest relationship you

(01:16:28):
had, or somehow wasn't abusiveto you, right, I would have said
, oh, great decision.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
But the fact that you left that relationship with so
much trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah, I mean it's hard because, like I talked to
my therapist about this, who islike a sexy little Hispanic lady
Gazal, I love her.
She's like my girl, but she waskind of talking to me about like
if you could go back and neverbe in that relationship and,
like you know, do things on yourown, you know, like what do you

(01:16:59):
have.
And I thought about it and it'slike, yeah, I like that
definitely was a potentialopportunity.
However, I think, like I said,everything happens for a reason
and that was a big learninglesson for me.
Like I learned a lot, not onlyabout myself, but how I, you
know, should be in, like in arelationship and I guess, just

(01:17:20):
like the whole thing was, it wasa lot, but like I don't even
think I'd be out in LA if Ididn't, you know, date this guy.
The only reason I moved to LAwas because I was, we broke up
and and I wanted to get as faraway as possible as I could from
that negative energy.
So, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
How do you describe, who do you describe, as a gold
digger?
As a what?
Who would you consider a golddigger?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
A gold digger?
Yeah, probably anybody thatdoes shit for money, right, like
I don't know somebody who likeum dates people like for money
but like older men because, likeyou, can't really if I like
someone and they just happen tohave money, then it's like
what's the oldest you've dated?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
the oldest that I've dated um I guess what's the
older that you dated uh-huh, andwhat would be the oldest that
you would date?

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
the oldest that I would date, um, I don't know
like even 30 kind of seems likeit's pushing it right like maybe
30 so only like six years olderthan you maybe like 31, 32 like
I don't know so what's theoldest that you've dated?
that I've dated, the oldest thatI've dated.

(01:18:40):
You know, it's kind of funnyactually.
Um, both of my exes were a yearyounger than me, and the one
guy that I talked to after my ex, my second ex, was a year older
than me, or actually I think hewas two years older than me.
Um, but the oldest that I'vetalked to or dated is are we

(01:19:02):
talking like dated, dated orlike things like, if I don't
know you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
you said something with with with regards to how
some of the guys that you havemet in la or like in their 30s
yeah, I just mean like out, notlike dated, like guys that I've
like met out at the club or intheir 30s and they're single I
have like

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
five names that just popped in my head just now,
saying that uh-huh.
So then okay, no hate to thoseguys either like live your life
you would.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
You wouldn't date any of those guys, obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Like it depends, because it's like you know.
Again, I go off connection,like if I have a connection with
someone and I really get alongwith them.
In my head it's like age mightjust be a number, but at the
same, time if you have aconnection to a 50 year old.
No, ok, no, that's too old thisis not just connections.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
There's like a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
No, it's not just connections, there's like a lot.
No, it's not just gonna okay,hard cut off.
Like hard cut off as a 24 yearold to me would be like early
mid-30s, I think.
Anything after that I can't dotoo much, too old you know what
I mean that's not like I thinklike yes, if there's a
connection there and whatever,whatever.
But like I also don't want to,you know, get involved with

(01:20:13):
someone who is that much olderthan me.
Maybe it's a personalpreference, I don't know.
Um, my parents are eight yearsapart, or six, six or eight, I
can't remember.
So it's like, yeah, I've beenaround like relationships that
are healthy and happy with anage gap.
I just think like 10 to 20 yearspersonally, for me, Is a lot Is

(01:20:35):
a lot, but for other people Ihave no judgment at all.
Like, as long as you're happyand you're content in the
relationship that you're in, Ilove that.
Like love.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
What are your thoughts on random hookups?

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Random like hookups.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Just like one night stands.
What are my thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Like I, meanups, just like one night stands.
What are my thoughts?
Like I mean, it's a one-nighthookup like is it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
do you do you think it's okay?
Do you think it's not?

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
okay, I think I think one night stands are fine, like
unless you have a girlfriend orsomething like um, they're fun.
I mean, yeah, I don't have alot of thoughts on one night
stands because I just think ifit happens, it happens.
And then you know, you continuetalking after that like great,
you continue looking after thatlike great essentially you have
no, no problem like sleepingwith a guy on a first day okay.

(01:21:25):
Well, when you word it likethat, then it sounds like a
little tacky, but like.
No, I'm not wording it likeanything like, uh, I mean, if
it's someone that, okay, no,because I've done it before, but
like again, like no, okay, no.
Like now I'm questioning itlike should I?

(01:21:48):
I don't know, I mean no.
Like no, no, look my, maybe Idon't know, I mean no.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Like no, no, look my.
Maybe, I don't know my personalopinion is irrelevant in this
situation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
It's just whatever you think?
Sleeping with a guy on a firstdate.
I mean if the vibes are thereand you're like enjoying each
other's time get intimate, Idon't know Right.
Yeah, no, I don't think there'sanything wrong with that.
I guess, when you word it likethat, though like overthinking
it, where I'm like should I besaying something else?

(01:22:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
No, it's really up to you like what you think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I don't there's nothing like I said.
My opinion is irrelevant nordeny that's funny, you're
hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
I have, I have some questions, but obviously we'll
we'll have to skip these and andthen I'll ask them.
Um, on our uh, our secondpodcast show which, oh my god,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
I'm looking forward to that when I can't wait, like
because, like I'm watching itfor the first time tomorrow.
A lot of people are watching ittonight at midnight.
But I think, like my reactionis going to be, I'm excited,
like I'm like I don't knowwhat's going to happen do you
know how many seasons, uh, therewill be?

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I mean sorry, how many episodes?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I.
I have no idea like I have noidea.
All I know is what they've cameout with so far.
So I'm assuming 10, sure, likemaybe right, and then maybe like
a couple extra ones in there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Yeah, I'm assuming they're gonna be hour-long
episodes and like well, what I'mwondering is whether or not the
show is gonna be out, becausenetflix has this thing where
they put out like five episodesand then they wait a few weeks
and then they put out anotherfive episodes, or are they going
to put out all the ten at once?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah, so I guess we'll find out later today.
I guess, yeah, we're going to.
I don't know, we're going tohave to find out, but I'm
assuming that probably theymight do that.
Yeah, right, so then, once wedo?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
we'll set up a date, so then you could.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Yeah, come back and yes, we'll talk about a bunch of
other questions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, that I am excited to ask.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah, but for the time being, thanks for coming on
the show you're great of course, this was fun this was so fun
we'll see you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yeah, I'm excited.

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