July 13, 2025 • 54 mins
Special thanks to Ceranda for being a part of this episode of Unattainable Podcast Show
Pop star Ceranda shares her journey from Texas country roots to LA pop music, revealing how geographic and cultural surroundings shaped her artistic expression and personal identity. The conversation explores dating dynamics, relationship authenticity, and finding genuine connections in challenging environments like Los Angeles.
• Ceranda explains her transition from country to pop music, leaving behind constraints she felt in Nashville and Texas
• Both discuss the phenomenon of unsolicited explicit photos and why this behavior persists despite never achieving its intended purpose
• Zach shares his "alien metaphor" about nice guys finishing last, while Ceranda defends the value of authenticity in relationships
• The conversation explores friendships between men and women, and whether these relationships can truly exist without romantic intentions
• Ceranda reveals details about her upcoming single "Cry With Me" releasing November 17th, describing it as showing her vulnerable side
• Both agree LA dating operates on "challenge mode" compared to other cities, but potentially offers greater rewards for those who navigate it successfully
Follow Ceranda on all platforms @ceranda_xo and stream her music including "Come and Get It," "Sugar Rush," "Hands Tied" and soon "Cry With Me."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My love for pop music was always in me.
It was just not something Icould execute where I was from.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I mean even Taylor Swift's, not in the country
anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
There was one time I was at work I used to work at a
concert venue and I got a randomSnapchat and I opened it and it
was literally some guys next toa Bud Light can Ruined my whole
shift.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
They're probably thinking in the history of
mankind has ever likeunsolicited pic like oh man,
that's a great.
Like fucking let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I've never heard that happening.
Men, boys, people with penises.
Please do not send your pics.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Online dating for guys only works if you're like
you have to be fucking top ofthe top.
Good looking.
If you take really good care ofyourself.
You can get 15 years out of it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I love a simp.
No, no, no, you're simpy, Ilove it.
I guarantee you're a fuckingsimp.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I guarantee you're lucky.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Even the alpha changed simp.
For me Simps only.
Sometimes a guy can be so nice,so great, so simpy, and still
not the right one.
You might as well just be niceand simpy, and if you don't get
picked like someone's welcome tounattainable glad to have you
(01:14):
with us.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm your host, zach evans.
First of all, thank you to allof our listeners.
We've been getting a ton ofengagement and new followers
over the last couple months andhad some clips blow up, so we
got to thank you guys for this.
Uh, we got a special guest foryou today.
Why don't you go ahead,introduce yourself, tell
everybody what you do, whereyou're from and your star sign?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
hey, I'm saranda.
I'm from texas originally, butI live in la now.
And um, yeah, what was theother one?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
uh, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'm a pop star let's go yeah in the building in the
building.
Yes, what's your star sign?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
my star sign is capricorn.
What, what do you have to say?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I love capricorns are very fun yeah, I agree they're
like a roller coaster.
It's like toxic, toxic, toxic,fun, fun, fun.
You know damn.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
What's your experience with the cappy?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
um, let's just say it was like a roller coaster, you
know, yeah, but toxic is inright now, so it's all good I
mean sure how was it?
We'll.
We'll put a pin in that Cause.
I want to ask you about yourmusic stuff for us, but we'll
come back to the toxicrelationship.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
How was, uh, how was your music journey, my music
journey, yeah, I started off inTexas.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Obviously the vibe there is very country.
So I was doing that.
Carrie Underwood, taylor Swift,miranda Lambert, those are my
queens and I kind of just feltlike I grew out of it as I moved
from my small town to biggercities.
So I lived in San Antonio forcollege and then Austin for two
years before moving here gotcha.
(02:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say your styledoesn't seem country to me in
terms of a couple of things Ilistened to yeah, and like,
obviously, again growing up itwas around, it's kind of the
vibe and it hits different, Ithink, when you're surrounded by
that atmosphere.
But yeah, it just didn't feellike me anymore.
I always did cheerleadinggrowing up and dance, so I think
(03:19):
that my love for pop music wasalways in me.
It was just not something Icould execute where I was from.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I mean even Taylor Swift's, not even country
anymore, I mean she's straightpop.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Carrie Underwood's like country pop kind of a blend
, but like they're all, kind ofmoving to this like like even
like hip hop's gettingsynergized, Like everything's
kind of moving to like thesingularity of music.
I feel like yeah, it's reallycool.
The, the I feel like electronicelements of music have really
spanned it throughout genres andthat's really cool.
But yeah and so, yeah, even inthe people that I was
(03:52):
replicating and doing covers ofand listening to I they still
have a huge like pop.
They're not like superbackwards country or anything.
So, yeah, and I grew up playingwith my dad he was my guitar
player growing up and reallyintroduced me to music at a
young age, so I feel like forhim it was country, was a vibe.
(04:13):
He wasn't trying to play anylike ariana grande or stuff like
that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So yeah, I lived in nashville for two years and it
was the same thing.
It was like they're like, oh no, nashville now it has
everything pop country.
I'm like, yeah, but kind ofcountry, yeah, country
songwriting it does have a yeah,songwriting is heavy there, oh
my gosh, but I do feel like it'sa different kind of writing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Um, yeah, I went to nashville a couple of times
before moving to LA and I waspretty set on living there at
one point, but the vibes justmade me feel like I couldn't be
myself, and I think that's whatpop music gave me the freedom to
is just like I don't have toworry about pissing off any like
conservative label executivethat doesn't want me wearing a
(05:01):
certain thing or moving my bodya certain way, and that was
definitely something Iexperienced in the industry,
which deferred me away from thatenergy that's surprising,
because I feel like maybe not incountry.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I just feel like every time I see a music video
it's always like okay, super hotgirl wearing, not that much you
know.
Looking sexy, like it seems tobe.
I thought that was just crossgenre, or is it still?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
there's a stigma on it I do still think there is a
stigma and again, this was like2017 to 2019, so I I feel like
even since then it's grown andchanged and maybe in texas it's
more yeah, honestly, it was both.
It was both places that I feltthat way, and so, you know, with
(05:45):
pop music I just feel like Ihave so much freedom to be like
my true self, where country justnot the same I do love like the
storytelling and the very likeoh yeah, down to earth, like
country does have that just kindof like lyricism that's like
very just like.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's what I would just say to my bro, you know
what I mean it feels likesomething you just say to your
bro.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But yeah, no, it's like twanginess, yeah it has a
home feeling for me obviously,like again, it hits different
when you're surrounded bytractors, like my grandfather
and uncle are still commercialfarmers, so I've experienced
that anytime I go home.
And another thing about countrywriting I always loved is the
cleverness.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I do feel like the lyricists are very clever and
taking a catchy phrase orsomething that people say often
and putting it into a songsometimes I think it's clever
and sometimes it's like corny tome, like it depends, like it's
very definitely no, it is hit ormiss, I feel like I'm only
listening to.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know when I would listen.
I honestly don't anymore.
We had a pretty hard breakup,me and country, but I feel like
everything on the radio it'slike if I want to go to like top
country hits it's.
Those kinds of things arepretty well done so yeah, yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And so moving to la vibe out here, because I know I
noticed you said I move, I livein la now and you kind of give
like, yeah, no, because I loveit.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I thought it was like I'm home this is home
to me, um, and it does have likefamily roots for me.
My grandfather used to trainhorse jockeys here for horse
races and my dad lived hereuntil he was 12.
So although I was not born then, I do feel like a sense of home
here, so, and I'm able to dowhat I want to do, which is
(07:36):
pursue being a pop star andpursue music in the way that I
want and do you enjoy thesongwriting part or the
performing more?
see, this is such an interestingquestion.
I feel like the ranking.
There's a ranking of all threethings that you get to do as an
artist.
It's like performance, studioand music videos, and to rank
(07:57):
them someone asked me one time Iwas like so difficult, by the
way, because I truly love all ofit, but I will say that my
number one has to be performance, my number two has to be the
songwriting and then three musicvideos interesting, but music
videos feels like an extensionof performance because I'm like
in front of a camera putting ona show essentially, and you're a
(08:20):
cat, so that comes naturally Iguess y'all love the limelight.
Y'all love the limelight if theshoe fits it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Uh, what do you think ?
Culture of la compared to texasdo you like it?
Is it annoying?
Do you have fake people?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I still like have a romanticized version in my mind
of LA, like I have notexperienced anything super crazy
here that's made me feelanything negative about the city
.
In fact, I feel like it's beenthe opposite.
I've just seen so much beautyand collaboration and I've
honestly surrounded myself withthe best people.
(09:01):
I have the best friend groupthat I also get to work with,
which is so incredible.
I don't even know how thathappened.
It was all an accident, um, allfate or you know whatever you
believe in, and yeah, I've justhad a really fun time good for
you yeah, what about you?
(09:21):
I don't, I don't understand,just like how girls make friends
in la it's.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It blows my mind because it's just like most of
my female friends.
I'm like, oh, do you have abest friend?
Oh, yeah, my friend like tori.
Oh, how long have you guysknown each other?
Oh, two weeks.
We met at a party.
I'm like your best friend, youmet two weeks.
And like, girls out here arejust so competitive.
They just like they, they likeget jealous of each other, then
they talk shit behind their back, then they block each other and
(09:49):
then they find a new bestfriend and it's like a cycle.
It's bizarre to me.
It's like coming from Wisconsin,where everybody's just like say
what you mean, mean what yousay you know kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, Honestly, I feel like I cannot relate to
those girls who are having ahard time with friends.
I feel like I just have reallygreat friends and all of them
are girls Like there's gays too,and um, I thought you were
going to say guys and you'relike there's gays, do you think
you?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
do you think?
Straight guys and girls can befriends.
I heard the yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
So that's interesting because Ifeel like I've always had a
group of dude friends, like Igrew up with all boy cousins.
I grew up in the south likevery country, nothing around
backwoods, vibes so I feel like,yeah, I've just always been
surrounded by that energy andit's a lot of fun like I like
(10:42):
going and doing boy things,sometimes like riding around
four-wheelers doing buggies,getting dirty, and I did a lot
of that growing up and even incollege and after college.
So I've always kind of had likea group of guy friends and, yes
(11:02):
, have they all hit on me atsome point?
Most likely, but I don't knowwhen it gets shut down and we
move on like it's always a vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I heard that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I saw it on tiktok when a guy friend hits on you,
you know if you're a girl andyou have a lot of guy friends oh
well, it's never caused me anyproblems.
I will say I feel like if I'm ina relationship I'm a little
more respectful to myrelationship and how I have
acquaintances and friends.
But yeah, I mean, duringpandemic it was me and my three
(11:34):
guy friends and they kind oftook me in in the city in Austin
, like I didn't have any friendsthere or I didn't know anyone
there when I moved there andthey really took me in during
the pandemic especially and likewe would go out and drink every
single weekend.
Um, good, homely healthy stuffyeah, no, but it was, it was a
(11:55):
good time and, honestly, likehaving them made me feel, I
don't know, like a sense of home.
So, yeah, we had fun and wentto parties and they introduced
me to other people and, yeah, Ifeel like I've always had a
struggle with girlfriends um,all the way back to high school
(12:19):
it's hard yo I like even likeit's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I was a promoter for like four months back in my
villain era, when I was like myboy days okay, how long ago was
that?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I did okay, so I did the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I started off as the so little beta male simp guy
who's all polite and my parentstold me be polite to girls and
then I just got friend zone andcheated on and and then I went
total like phase right, yeah,and I was just like, fuck this
shit, I'm gonna gaslighteverybody, hook up with a bunch
of girls.
And then I kind of like movedin the middle where now I'm like
(12:54):
I'm like a fuck man, you know,not a fuck boy.
Okay, okay and like this new,new breed of fuck boys is just
like they're kind of amateurs,you know what I mean.
Like they have little hair, youknow yeah, hair they like
fucking take shirtless are youintimidated by that?
No, no, no no, these guys,they're taking six-pack selfies
(13:14):
at la fitness yeah, go toequinox like a real fuck boy.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A lot of them have like millions of followers.
I was gonna say thousands, butyeah, I mean.
Yeah, I mean, don't get mewrong, if you have millions of
follow, cloud beats, gonna saythousands.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong
, if you have millions of follow, clout beats everything.
But there's like a handful ofthose guys most of the rest of
them are like the copycats.
They have cars where the doorsopen sideways, like poor people
you know, it's like like this isthis is my competition.
These amateur fuck boys likecome on, you know yeah, I'm not
threatened.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm not threatened, so you're not threatened.
Yeah, okay, plus I'm threatened.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, okay, plus I'm not.
I'm very shy and romantic, sonot that I would care anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So you're not romantic, you're not trying to
like.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm very romantic.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I love sending girls love letters, dick pics, long
walks on the beach like romantic.
No, no like classy dick picsLike.
Like good lighting good angles,you know not like.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Are you putting something next to it to like
compare it?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I feel like I wouldn't want to ruin the art
with.
You know something?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Is it just something that you're sending without
warning?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, never, of course not Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So it's like in a moment of.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's like, it's like three dates in.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would never send unsolicited dick pic.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Sometimes girls, oh, after the first date they want a
dick pic.
Like you think I'm some kind oflike.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I have never actually heard of a girl asking for a
dick pic.
I've actually never had a girlask me for one either yeah, I
was just saying that to lookcool that's the place he's in,
yeah honestly, never in my lifehave I been like oh, someone
just sent me a d-pick here'swhat.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Here's what I wonder.
Okay, the guys that send theunsolicited ones number one,
it's like from a moralperspective, it's like really,
you're gonna send a dick pic,you know, yeah.
But even just from a practicalperspective, like how many times
have you done that?
And like I've never heard ofthat working a scene, like never
in my life, a single time.
So don't you think, after likethree or four times, like hey,
(15:05):
maybe I should try a differentstrategy, like being a normal
fucking human being?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
it's like a weird thing to me I have literally had
guys send me dick pics onsnapchat that I've never even
spoken to them once and I'vejust seen them watch my stories
and whatever, and they just sentme a dick pic.
There was one time I was atwork I used to work at a concert
venue and I opened.
I got a random snapchat and Iopened it and it was literally
(15:30):
some guy's dick next to a budlight can ruined my whole they
probably thinking you're fromtexas, country singer, you guys
like bud, light and trucks likehere, this will do it, what?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
or maybe you, maybe.
Okay, let me ask you thisbecause if you had like a really
big dick and you want to makesure, like comparison for size
wise, that you didn't think, oh,the camera was too far away or
something like that, you knowyeah, I mean it was bold, let's
just say that, but like I thinkthe same thing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What do you think is going to come out of this?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
like has it ever in the history of mankind has ever
like unsolicited dick pic?
Like oh man, that's a greatdick.
Like let me like fucking, let'sgo.
I've never heard that happening.
I have a lot of female friends,so yeah, I genuinely feel like
it's never happened.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So men, boys, people with penises, please do not send
it back when they'reunsolicited.
Please do not do that.
It's never gonna end well.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're never gonna get what you want, so just don't
do it please I I always wonderif it's actually the thing
that's gonna work or if theyhave something in their mind
like they just get off to likeoh, she saw it.
You know what I mean is?
I think it's more of like uh,like twisted, yeah, like fetish
thing that definitely makes moresense.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Then I mean them being so delusional that, like
this, is gonna do exactly whatit needs to do yeah, yeah yeah,
so don't do it what about?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
uh, let me ask you this because I think girls are
full of shit on this.
I'm not sure.
So I've heard girls in the pastand I don't do online dating
anymore.
I did it, like years ago, notmy thing but they would say like
oh yeah, whenever guys havelike the shirtless selfies, it's
so cringe.
I would never see a guy who hasa shirtless selfie in the
mirror and then like all thesegirls, I'm like oh, I'm dating
(17:27):
this new guy.
I'm like, okay, cool, like showhim to me and I go on his
instagram.
It's like fucking shirtlessselfie in the mirror.
I'm like y'all are all full ofshit.
Like if you got a six-pack, itdoesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I feel like it trumps any kind of like cringe factor
of like in the mirror selfieyeah, I definitely felt like I
was in my gym era, where I waslike in my physical gym era and
also dating people in their gymera and wait, why is it just an
era?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
shouldn't that be a lifelong habit?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
for sure.
But when I moved to la, I feltlike my life is just so like
this that it took me some timeto.
You know, we're in austin.
I was like, honestly, in thegym every single day, like no
skips, like fully on my meals,and out here in la I'm like what
do I eat?
Like where do I go?
How?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
the gym here, not it not, it, not, it wait, why not?
What's wrong with the gym?
Not Gold's, not LA FitnessEquinox, equinox is on my radar,
but I have a nice apartment,gym now.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So I'm like, okay, convenience, do you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
do leg day, only no Legs and abs, legs, abs, back
thighs, tris.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like lifting weights and stuff.
Yeah, good for you.
Yeah, yeah.
So I actually used to dofitness modeling way back in the
day.
But, yeah, moved away from thatcountry, moved away from
country music pop star now, yeah, yeah, but um, yeah, I don't
know.
I think that people like hotpeople, hot people show their
bodies off and that's especiallyif you're in a gym vibe.
(18:58):
I feel like that's all peopleshow off.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Guilty at one point, but yeah I think that I think
that people like hot people,people like hot girls.
I think people are hot guys tosome extent yeah, it's more
about confidence?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
yeah, obviously it could be a hot guy and have a
shit personality or be rude orwhatever and like that obviously
makes you not hot.
But if you're hot and you're adecent person, you're catch.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So you go for looks more.
Do you go for personality?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
definitely both, like there has to be an initial
attraction.
There has to be an initialattraction I mean yeah, like
it's a vibe.
There's a vibe there.
And then obviously personalityyou get to know someone.
You really see like how youmesh, and I think conversation
is a huge part of that would youever date a guy who's shorter
(19:49):
than you?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
No, um, that's just like because I think most girls
and I don't.
I don't blame you guys yeah,you feel weird kissing up.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm also like kind of short, like five,
five, four, little under fivefour.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So I think if you're shorter than five four um your
life is no, no, no, no, no, no,really funny and rich.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I honestly don't know a lot of guys that are under
five four I don't personally soI'm, like you know, on top of
also liking six feet and up,like it is just a preference, I
don't know like no, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I've seen some tall ugly dudes get bad girls like
literally like if you're six,five it doesn't matter, you get
one tattoo and girls want tofuck you for no reason.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I gotta get by my natural charm and charisma lol,
how tall are you, how tall areeven, how tall are you even?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
six one, okay, six three on tinder okay, I thought
you were done with online dating.
I'm very romantic, I actuallyI'm done so where do you meet
people?
uh.
So I'm pretty like connected inthe hollywood scene so I go to
like parties and stuff like that.
It's just like I think onlinedating for guys only works if
(21:15):
you're like you have to befucking top of the top Good
looking, like I will see girlsthat at a party I could like
easily talk to and connect withBoom, we were going on dates.
I go on online dating Like theydon't even match with me and I
don't even think I'm ugly.
I think I'm just like aboveaverage.
I'm like above average but likecompared to like some of these
dudes on this app with like andthey use like the this uh,
(21:38):
there's some app that you canlike shape your face to look
better and like boom.
They use all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They know all the photoshop come on.
You never use facetune um,maybe to smooth my skin, but
nothing to alter I see you, youever got catfished have I ever
got catfish?
I would say no, like there istimes where someone doesn't look
exactly like their pictures,but I think it's just like.
Their vibe in person isdifferent.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I see yeah, and here's the thing.
I don't mind a little bit ofcatfish.
I understand every single girldoes it.
So if you don't do it, it'skind of like everybody else is
doing it.
But one time I met this girlwhere I'm like yo, that filter
was working fucking fullcapacity.
It was like working overtimeshifts, to fucking like it.
(22:24):
So I got catfished one time.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And then I got lifestyle catfished one time
lifestyle catfish yeah oh, theylied about their whole, like
what they do.
It's not that they lied aboutit.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, so it was, this was early, this was like early
covid, like 2020 okay um, youremember when everybody was
blowing up on tiktok like you do?
one video of you like walking ina dress and it's like a million
views oh yeah so this chick hadlike over a million followers
on her instagram every dayfucking yacht lamborghini,
fucking private jet tulum, likeeverything right.
(22:56):
So we started dating and everytime she'd come over she always
come to my place.
She lived in the valley, youknow what I mean yeah, and I was
like you know you have to drivethrough traffic every day to
get here, like I can come checkout your place, like, if it's
easier.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
She's like no, it's okay like that's weird so one
day I finally go there and I'mdriving through the valley.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Have you been to the valley?
Yes okay, so you know thevalley is kind of like.
Have you seen the movie lionking?
Definitely all right, you knowmufasa's like up on pride rock
yeah and he's like simba, likeanything the light touches, is
your kingdom yeah and then he'slike the dark, shadowy areas.
Never fucking go there, it'sdangerous.
(23:35):
There's crackhead hyenas likeyou're gonna get fucking stabbed
.
You know what I mean?
she lived in like the dark,shadowy areas of the valley down
whereas like there's likegraffiti, there's like bars over
the windows, there's like feralchildren scurrying around in
the sewers.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know, it's like sketchy ass shit, that's so, so
I go into her house and she'slike I'm like like, oh yeah,
give me the tour.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
She opens his door.
I'm like, oh, this is like anice walk-in closet.
She's like Zach, this is myroom.
I looked down.
There's just a mattress on thefloor, no fitted sheet, just
like a flat sheet on themattress.
I go like this I can touch bothof the walls at the same time.
And then this is the craziestpart, you're not gonna believe
this.
So we start watching hulu onher laptop because she doesn't
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have a tv.
Okay, and she has hulu withadvertisements oh my god, I was
like you were on a private jetyesterday.
You have hulu with ads.
It was the craziest shit to meokay.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, did you ever find out?
Yeah, like how she was schemingyes, well, okay, here's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So I'm I'm pretty high up on the privilege ladder,
like I'm white, straight male,so I'm like here and I'm a
pisces.
So I'm probably like herethere's only one privilege that
beats mine.
I'm like second highest and I'mstill mad that you guys beat me
.
Hot girl privilege fucking uphere it only lasts 10 years, but
like that shit.
I mean, if you take really goodcare of yourself, you can get
(25:04):
15 years out of it.
Kim has been hot for a long timeyeah, I mean, but that's like
crazy levels of plastic surgery.
J-lo looks like she's 25 yeah,like literally who else?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
there's, there's several queens like that, yeah
yeah, no, there there's a lot ofwomen that look good.
I plan on being one of thosewomen, hey, um, how?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
old are you?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
you're very confusing oh really, how old do you think
I am?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
like 32 whoa in personality but you look like
you're like 19 with a fake id.
Okay period, like I don't knowwhether it's like talk about
investing or like doing molly atdisneyland, like it's very.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This is honestly, that's the hottest thing I've
heard all day.
Thank you so much um no, I'm 26okay, so right in the middle
right in the middle.
Yeah, and I love that I'mbringing such a youthful energy
to this yeah, you're still inyour prime.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Are you considered gen z or did you beat the cut?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
off low-key, if I mean the internet says so many
different things about when genz started, but if it says the
most common thing that I see,which is 97, that means that I
was one of the first gen Z ever,so I am leading the charge here
.
I am.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Do you vape?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Absolutely not.
You're probably not Gen Z, thenat least in spirit, oh well,
I'm going to have a betterthroat and body on the inside.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh, I agree.
That's enough for me.
Everybody talks about is vapingactually bad for you?
Some people know it's justwater vapor.
Some people know it's likeworse than cigarettes I mean,
it's nicotine.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
It's nicotine.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We know what nicotine does the thing that scares me
is like, like I drink, I couldcount on one hand the number of
alcoholics I know in my life.
Like it's very like yeah fewand far between every single
person that I know that vapes islow-key addicted.
They're vape oh yeah, likelow-key, like you cannot stop
like, oh no, I'm gonna quit.
Two weeks later, they're vapingagain.
(27:07):
It's like crazy yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
No, I think that that is a plague, but do your thing,
I'm also just like, do yourthing, I still queen yeah, yeah
I've smoked a couple times justmade me tired I found myself
through it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Honestly, I feel like I didn't your inner child
through it?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
yeah, definitely.
Um, yeah, I feel like I got toknow myself on deeper levels,
which obviously it's noteveryone's experience with it,
but I waited until I was 21 toeven try it okay and I think
that that made a huge differencewith my experience as well.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You do you smoke when you song right?
Does it help you like get intothe thing?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
not typically.
I honestly feel insecuresmoking in a studio sometimes,
um, but I'm down to try it whenit feels like it's the right
vibe.
Um, overall, though, I justkind of like use my little brain
to come up with something cuteand funny and hot, so yeah yeah,
(28:17):
whatever works the shower.
Oh my god, the shower.
So many ideas in the showerthat's your secret, secret
songwriting spot yeah, yeah, Ifeel like that's most people's,
or like a lot of people's comeup with things in the shower,
but my voice is amazing in theshower really.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, only in the shower in the car what's your
like go-to the shower to sing oh, I like, don't stop believing,
okay classic.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, something you just like belt out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, I tried out karaoke but turns out the key
they actually sing it is likeway too high for my voice, so it
doesn't work, okay, so you'rejust kind of doing your own
thing.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah Well, period, live your life.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I do my best out here .
It's hard being a Wisconsin boy, are you an?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
entrepreneur I am.
Okay, well, what are you into?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So I play piano.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Oh, no way Same.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Started doing covers back in the day.
I actually started because mygirlfriend cheated on me oh and
I was so pissed at her I startedwaking up every day at 6 am and
fucking grinding.
You know what I mean I love itit was actually funny.
So, like I said, like I used tobe like a huge simp, like
little little beta male simp,like riding bird scooters with
my friends, like like little,like simp guy so started dating
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this girl right okay this is howmuch of a simp I was actually.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You're gonna cringe at this I love a simp I no, no,
no, you're, I love it Iguarantee you're like, I love it
, only simps last five guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You've dated.
How many are simps and how manyare fuckboys?
Don't lie to me even the alphachanged simp for me, so but he
started off as a fuckboy no, hedefinitely started out, so
fucking simpy did you break upwith him or did he break up with
you?
I?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
broke up with him.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, see, here's the thing I don't get okay but he
was in the military.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
There was a there's a whole like nine month excursion
there that we don't need to getinto, but like so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was because my point is simps only okay, here's
I'm gonna tell you what it'slike being a dude.
Okay, this metaphor is gonnahelp explain it to you.
Imagine aliens came down I loveit already and they nuked the
entire planet.
There there's no food left.
Only 100 people survive.
(30:38):
Right, You're?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
one of the 100 people .
Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So you go to the alien fortress, right?
And you guys and the humansevery day knocking on the door,
banging please, aliens, give ussome food.
We're so hungry, oh, we wantedsome food.
So every day the aliens theysend out 10 of their
representatives and each one ofthe aliens picks one person in
the crowd.
Say, today, I'm giving the foodto you, right?
So a week goes by, you're notgetting any food.
(31:02):
You're so fucking hungry,you're just so starving.
So you say alien, please, howdo I get the food?
How do you choose who to givethe food to?
And the alien looks at you.
He goes well, we choose whoeveris the most nicest, sweetest,
most kind human being, and thenwe give them the food.
You think, oh, this should beeasy.
I'm nice and sweet and kind andcaring.
So for the next three daysyou're the nicest person, this
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alien.
You're asking him about hisfamily, you're listening to him,
you even.
You even go scourge the desertand find some flowers that you
found in the desert.
You give the aliens flowers ofthe gift.
Here, alien, have some gift.
The next day the alien walks outwith a juicy double
cheeseburger, some truffle fries, and you're so fucking hungry,
(31:46):
right?
The smell is like wafting overto you.
All you wanted some food.
You're like please, alien, canI have just one truffle fry?
And the alien looks at you andhe pats you on the head and he
goes Aw, you're so sweet.
And then he gives all of thefood to the biggest asshole in
the entire human community.
And you go Alien, what?
(32:06):
And the asshole guess what hedoes?
He goes nom nom nom.
He eats it all up and he goeslike this no crumbs for you,
simp, no crumbs for you.
You go Alien.
You said you were going to giveit to the nicest person.
You gave it to the biggestasshole.
And the alien says any of theseother aliens would be so lucky
to have someone like you intheir life, just not me.
But do it with the other aliensand all the aliens do the same
(32:29):
thing.
That's what it's like being aguy.
I wish I could be a good littlesimp.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But I would starve to death.
So first of Thank you for thatvery detailed metaphor Is your
mind changed?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That was so, first of all.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I want to know when you thought of that, because it
was so detailed.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I'm very smart, even my mom said no, it was
incredible Congrats.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So, yeah, I honestly think that comes down to the
female.
You know them being, I don't'tknow.
And it's also the vibe likesometimes a guy can be so nice,
so great, so simpy, and stillnot the right one, still not the
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right one that you vibe with.
And so I think it's like youmight as well just be nice and
simpy and if you don't getpicked like someone's going to
pick you, some girl is going tonot be so delusional.
Now, listen, listen.
Some girl is not going to be sodelusional to fall for the
asshole and she's actually goingto be a really great girl and
she's going to love how you'retreating her and it's going to
(33:37):
lead you guys into love.
So and longevity and commitmentand where we all want to be
maybe, or okay, here's whathappened to me.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
First girlfriend I did in high school, right, I was
such a simp how old are you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm feeling similar vibes like 26, 7, 8, 9, 10 32.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm young for my age and tall for my height, so okay,
great great, so when I was, sothis was this was like 14 years
ago 18 through 21.
Okay, my first girlfriend ever,huge sim.
No, none of the other girlsliked me.
They friend zoned me I thoughtoh, I just got to find the right
, finally found the right girl.
Obsessed with her, so in lovewith her.
I'm so happy to have agirlfriend.
(34:29):
Yeah, every Monday I would wakeup at 6 am, I would drive to
the Walmart between our housesand I'll get a pack of the
purple skittles, cuz purple, thewild berry flavors.
I was her favorite bag yeah andsome flowers, and I'll write a
cute note to her and I'll put iton her doorstep so she opens
the door.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
She's surprised, right oh my god, he got me
flowers so cute I did this shitfor three years that's a long
time, then that's effort.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I get a call from my buddy.
Yo, bro, I hate to be the oneto tell you this, but I was at a
party last night.
Julie goes into the room withanother guy.
They come out together afterlike 30 minutes, everybody's
saying they hooked up rightjulie and I'm like no way she'll
never cheat on me, like we'rein true love, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
(35:13):
Romantic blah blah.
So I go confront her about itand she just fucking admits it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
She's like yeah, I cheated on you, but no tears.
No, I'm so sorry she's.
Like yeah, I cheated on you,but no tears.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
No, I'm so sorry, she was just like yeah, she's
trying to stay together afterthat no, she was like yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, here's my question.
Before I'm gonna say myquestion, I'm gonna make a
statement.
This was 14 years ago or 10years ago.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There's there's more to the story, but keep going
going.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Okay, well, I still stand.
It's.
10 years ago, this was highschool.
This was such like non-seriousvibes.
Julie is Right, julie.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Not the only Julie out there, but yeah, what a
different time dating in your30s than when you're early 20s
or late teens.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh no, I'm glad it happened actually yeah, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm sure I told you about the lesson.
However, what else was going onin the relationship?
Like, though, julie was like Imight cheat?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
um she, I still remember the last thing that she
ever said to me in my life,right okay the last thing I said
to her.
I looked her dead in the eye.
I was like bawling my eyes outright and she's just like
nonchalant.
She's like whatever.
I was like julie, I was theperfect boyfriend.
I would do anything to make youhappy.
That's what I told her.
I was like I just want to knowwhy.
And she looked me dead in theeye.
She went like this like sheshrugged her shoulders and she
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was like I just got bored andthat moment was like I will
never be this fucking simp guyagain that gets fucking
manipulated.
And then I started waking up at6 am every day, posting videos
on my YouTube channel everysingle week for eight years,
Because I was like fuck thisbitch, right yeah.
Eight years I posted and Ifinally my YouTube channel
(37:00):
finally blew up, got a bunch offollowers.
I got a bunch of money Moved toL.
I finally my YouTube channelfinally blew up, got a bunch of
followers.
I got a bunch of money moved toLA, got a mansion, got a car
where the doors open up likethis.
And then when I found Julie onInstagram I haven't talked to
her in eight years, right?
So I followed her.
She follows me back that night.
Go to the biggest mansion partyI can find Posting videos hot
(37:27):
girls, cool car fucking modelsall over the place place right,
and then she unfollows me oninstagram so I knew that it was
affecting her right.
So then the next morning I wentto walmart.
I bought a pack of the purpleskittles right no way, I took a
picture of it and I dm'd her apicture of the purple skittles
and I thank you for making methe man that I am today.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And then underneath I put, so I can get girls who are
way hotter than you, fire emoji, and that was the greatest
fucking moment.
That healed my inner child andit healed all my trauma at the
same time, and now I never needtherapy again, just because that
one moment.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So revenge.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Eight years of revenge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.
But so revenge, eight years ofrevenge, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean, it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It was congrats on your success.
There is something beautifulabout someone fucking you over
and you persevering through thateven harder than you ever
thought you could um so hellyeah because?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
because here's the thing too, and you're probably
gonna hate me for this, andthat's fine, I'm gonna say it
anyway, because it's true peoplesay that with you know mental
health issues, blah, blah blah.
It's because you know kids havelike too much trauma nowadays
or whatever.
I actually think we got totraumatize kids more, like I
think we need more bullying inschools I think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I still think that there's quite a bit of bullying
I don't know some of these.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I mean, I'm not there you're not there, yeah I here's
what I think.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay, but the but someone could be so bullied at
their school like bullied, likecrazy.
That's in person and they canbe loved online you know, by a
lot of people.
So, yeah, I don't necessarilythink we need more bullying,
maybe more parents that aretogether oh, that's definitely
true, that's 100% yeah, I thinkthat's a big thing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I just think, like a lot of the like, okay, take a
put like this if you look at thestats right, the highest level
of mental health issues is allin the richest countries.
It's like America it's likeparts of Europe.
Yeah, if you all in the richestcountries, it's like america,
it's like parts of europe yeahif you live in venezuela and you
have to like when you're fiveyears old, like your family runs
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out of water and you have tolike walk through the sweltering
heat five miles on your likeandroid phone to like the local.
Well, like when your girlfriendbreaks up with you when you're
18, like it's not that big of adeal, like you're not going to
therapy.
You're not like you know, inamerica, if you're five years
old and you get like last placein the basketball tournament and
you're crying, they're like oh,little boo boo, little gen z.
(39:53):
Like let's talk about yourfeelings and like ride bird
scooters together, blah, blah,blah.
You know, and I just think theselike people are so soft.
You know, especially guys likeI get for girls.
I don't know what it's like tobe a girl.
You guys have more hormones andblah, blah, blah yeah,
definitely more home ordifferent hormones yeah, yeah I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I think, speaking on the whole, there's a kid in
valenzuela that's like runningto get his family water.
The thing about those countriesand those cultures is family is
a unit, family is not dividedand everyone needs each other.
And I think there's a lot offamily division in, I guess,
richer countries, specificallyamerica, but I think that in
(40:38):
itself just makes people feelreally alone, whether they're
the children going through it oreven the parents, or someone in
the family is being affected byseparation and things like that
, and obviously not everyone'smeant to be together.
But I think that that's anotherthing we need to focus on is
healthy relationships, healthycommunication and not being fuck
(41:01):
man or not being fuck boy orfuck girl or fuck woman I'm just
saying like don't you thinkthat the world would be a better
place if people were toprioritize healthier
relationships and being in goodrelationships and having
children in those environmentsand raising them in healthy
relationship environments, likeI think that that is a cycle
(41:24):
that's not good for anyone Iagree with you for the parenting
, the hard part, for like thedating scene thing, I mean you
gotta find a good partner.
You know, bringing a, bringingsomeone else into this world
like that's a team effort, it'sa partnership for life and it's
a commitment to each other andthe child.
(41:45):
So having healthy relationshipis having healthy dating.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
It all starts at the root but I think that look,
because I'm in the field okay, Imean like I think that sounds
great in theory from theperspective but I'm like when
you're out there in in thetrenches yeah, it's like no, the
la dating scene is fucked.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's completely fucked.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, let me just yeah, this is actually kind
of what solidified it for metoo.
So, um, I got really mad at agirl once because she was like
saying really nice things aboutbeing behind my back, and I got
like really pissed at her shewas saying nice things about you
behind your back.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, oh, without my permission either
okay, so she was just likezach's great so so okay and
you're like you, yeah, yeahexactly, exactly so we're
driving to this party we'redriving to this party in malibu.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's my buddy's, uh one of my best friend's
girlfriend and I was giving hera ride because he's like meeting
us there.
Blah, blah, blah.
So I'm telling her all thesestories of my fuck boy days, my
villain era.
She's cracking up.
She's like ha ha ha, this is soexciting.
She's exact at the partytonight.
I'm gonna be your wing woman.
I'm gonna get you so manybitches and I'm like, dear lord,
please don't intervene ingetting the bitches, I will get
(43:01):
the bitches myself.
I don't need your trying tocome into getting the bitches
thing right.
So we get to the party and I'mvibing with this girl on like
the porch.
I'm in the perfect like whereI'm like leaning back.
She's like you know what I mean.
I'm like looking cool, we'revibing, everything's good.
Then she comes up pulling thisgirl with her and she's like and
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first of all, this girl is likenot even cute to me, right?
So she interrupts my talkingwith the girl I'm actually
interested in and she goes oh mygod, this is zach.
This is the guy I was tellingyou about.
He's such a great guy.
He's so sweet and nice andcaring and I just watched both
the girls and I watched anylevel of attraction they had for
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me just fucking shrivel up likea raisin and literally then the
ugly girl goes.
she goes aw.
That's sweet, but in a way likeaw cute little puppy dog and I
was like you just made me getrejected by a girl I didn't even
talk to and messed up what Ihad with like the cute girl at
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the girl at the same.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
it was like the worst wingman experience of my life
trust me, it wasn't because shesaid you were a good guy yes, it
was you literally had one chickover here, one chick being
introduced to you by anotherchick, like you're surrounded by
women, they're all facing youat a time where you're like
entertaining one and then thesetwo other come up Like it's just
(44:25):
.
I feel like that mix was alittle more of what contributed
to that experience.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
No, that would help me, if anything.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Okay, no, don't lie about this.
I swear to God.
Look, I used to be a promoter.
No one's lying.
I used to be a promoter noone's promoter.
I cannot tell you how manytimes I would talk to a girl.
She'd be like kind of likedismissive, like on her phone,
like oh, cool, cool, cool, rightlike that.
Boom and I go talk to anothergirl.
This girl's into me All of asudden girl number one.
Oh my god, I'm like.
(44:56):
You were just like Rejecting me, like five minutes ago.
Now all of a sudden you'remagically into me.
I'm not saying it's right orwrong or the way the world
should work.
I'm just saying it's the waythe world is like.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's just the reality that I live in the reality you
live in because of yourprofession and where you are in
the world maybe dead ass so I'mnot a promoter anymore, though
yeah yeah, but let's go back tothose days, right, you know your
interaction with women was wasvery much like the same.
It was very fraudulent,potentially.
(45:27):
You know where they're justlike oh yeah, now you're cool or
now I want to talk to you orentertain you or whatever.
They all want something fromyou as a promoter.
They want to be in the club orwhatever you're promoting or
involved in, like cool shit.
That is their goal in thatmoment.
So, yeah, you could be a greatguy, you could be hot and
(45:48):
whatever, but like their motiveis that.
So that's not the environment.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I disagree that's not an environment, to like choose
who you're gonna be with, orwhatever I think that's false,
though, because when I was,that's when I got laid the most
out of my entire fucking career.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, laid Laid.
You didn't get married, you gotlaid.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, I didn't get married, You're right.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, did you even have any long-term relationships
?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Somewhat, but I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's not that I have.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
People think I have commitment issues.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's not true.
I have commitment.
That's not true.
I've come in with concerns.
What are?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
your concerns.
No, no, it's a different.
There's a difference.
Okay, put it like this let'ssay, you buy a new lamborghini
right bright pink lamborghini.
You're fucking pumped about ityeah, I can't wait.
So your friend invites you to apart to their birthday party in
downtown la.
You're like why are we going todowntown la?
I'm gonna get robbed, I'm gonnaget stabbed, but it's your
friend's birthday, whatever yougo, yeah.
So you go right in front of thedive bar.
There's like a perfect openparking spot right in front of
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the bar.
You're like, perfect, you parkit.
And after you park it, you seeoutside your window there's
there's homeless people fightingthe air.
There's like drunk peoplethrowing bottles at each other.
So you think, okay, I'm notgonna park it here, I'm gonna go
park in the parking garage twoblocks away, where it's safe
underneath, with the securityguard and everything.
I don't think you have parkingissues.
(47:10):
You have parking concerns.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So with girls, what concerns me is okay when guys
cheat, don't get me wrong.
Guys will lie about it.
No, she's just a friend, Ididn't cheat on you.
They'll try to hide it, butit's like in the back of our
mind.
we know what we're doing iswrong yeah what scares me about
girls is just like working inthe modeling industry for a
while and like having a lot offemale friends.
(47:36):
I've had so many girls tell methey cheated on a guy and they
will convince their own mindthat it wasn't cheating.
They'll be like oh, I wasn't inlove with him anymore.
Oh, uh, I was drunk that night,it doesn't count.
Oh, it was a full moon, itdoesn't count as a full moon
like it's crazy to me.
I'm like what do you mean?
(47:57):
You literally hooked up with aguy while you're in a
relationship.
The fuck are you talking?
And that's what scares me.
I'm like, if they can't evenknow themselves that it's wrong,
like they're gonna evenconvincing me that it's wrong.
It's like, uh, that's whatscares me about relationships
yeah, I mean, I do not knowthese women.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I don't know any women like this personally, so I
cannot speak to women like that.
Um, but I still stand by what Isaid.
I do not think that you're inthe right environment for
someone who is not doing thosethings, someone who is not
trying to like, and with apromoter, someone who is like,
(48:41):
just in their own and confidentand strong and not concerned
with playing a game with la andthe people in it.
So, yeah, I don't know howyou're gonna find that, because
obviously that's the vibe aroundhere, but I think if you could
get to that place, you'll findwhat you're looking for, if
(49:02):
that's what you want.
Do you even want to get marriedand have kids?
I had a bad experience with kidsin a grass hill okay, I'm not
sure if I want kids anymore yeah, well but maybe maybe dogs,
cats, I don't know, definitelynot cats, definitely not cats, I
don't trust cats and I don'ttrust girls who trust cats.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
But I have a good reason for it.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I did hear something very, very funny, um, from my
friend nathan, but he was like,yeah, cats kind of like
prostitute themselves to humansbecause they know they're gonna
get fed and taken care of Ibelieve it and like slay, but I
am a dog person at heart.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I just love them, they love me and most people, so
yeah the reason I don't trustcats is cats are like sociopath
versions of dogs.
They don't really love youthey're there for the food.
Yeah, but every cat owner Iknow they'll be like they have
like scratches on their arms,like oh my god, what happened.
Oh, my cat, but trust he lovesme like are you sure?
(50:04):
but then yeah, this this is whyI don't trust cats who like
girls because they'll end up ina relationship and they're with
some like sociopath narcissist.
They're like, oh, he loves me.
And all their friends are likethe fuck are you talking about?
He's a sociopath narcissist, hedoesn't love you.
They're like no, trust me, justlike my cat, he loves me.
And they end up in the samerelationships yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I don't know.
I've never owned a cat.
I also see that they are just.
You know, they have claws.
I can't help it.
Poor things, but yeah, theyscare me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
But all my friends have cats and I love my friend's
cats.
They're all sweet and gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So I love dogs.
Yeah, I would never get one butI want, like my roommate, to
get one or something oh, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Well, what if you're in a relationship and you had a,
you had a lady?
Would y'all want to getanything?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
the hard part about that.
Let's say we get a dog, then webreak up.
What do I give the dog to her?
And I miss the dog if?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I take the dog for myself.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Now I gotta like I can't travel.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
No, I mean obviously you have to be dating like with
a projection, that marriage isin the future and then you're
gonna have you know.
Yeah, sounds like you haven'tgotten there yet, so yeah,
probably not but are you havingfun?
I mean are.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Are you just miserable?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Okay, no, my life is very that's the thing, Like the
LA dating scene is horrific andscary, but it is.
It can be fun.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Here's what I think.
Okay, LA dating life is like,you know, when you play a video
game and you first start thegame and you can choose like
easy mode, medium mode, hardmode or sometimes like challenge
mode.
La is like challenge mode.
La is like challenge mode.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
It's like the hardest mode.
It definitely is hard, but ifyou, beat the game.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
it's like you won, like the best game.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Keep hitting this.
What is winning the game to you, though.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah.
I mean it's hard to say,because I do think I will get
married someday.
But, I don't want to settleeither.
I'm very ambitious, so I wantlike A girl who is extremely
beautiful, also amazingpersonality, also great
character.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Everything Into things that you're into.
How long have you played piano?
Since, I like in kindergarten,nice I started when I was 12 and
I had to teach myself, becauseI lived in a really small town,
there was nobody to, there wasno like music education at all,
like even in my high school, um,so I had to like teach myself
(52:40):
on youtube nice.
And my parents live so far outof like anything that they
didn't even get Wi-Fi until like2020.
So I was dealing with somepretty slow internet.
It would take like a day toload a whole YouTube video and
then I would like slowly pieceit together.
But yeah, I love piano.
(53:01):
I'm actually doing a pianoversion of my new single coming
up and that will probably comeout in December.
New single out in November, soI'm really excited about those
projects, or can you not drop it?
Speaker 2 (53:14):
you have to name.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I'll drop the name on here first how about that?
it's called cry with me and yeah, it should come out November
17th, but like there's so manythings on the back end that kind
of push things off.
But yeah, it's a little bitdifferent than my other stuff,
so I'm curious to see thereception.
But I feel like it's like mysoft, sensitive side, since
(53:36):
we're talking about likerelationships and things.
I feel like that song wassomething that I wrote while I
was in the LA dating scene Verymuch like everyone is wearing a
mask, everyone is, you know,fraudulent a little bit, and
it's really hard to get deepwith people here yeah, for sure
so yeah, it's relevant cool.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, we're about out of time.
Any uh shout outs you want togive to instagram or tiktok or
anything like that?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
um.
Follow me on instagram sarandaunderscore xo.
Follow me on all platforms.
That's the handle foreverything saranda c-e-r-a-n-d-a
.
It's very difficult for peopleand I get it.
I don't know my.
My name is actually my parentsnames put together, so caesar
and amanda saranda.
I see um, so hopefully thathelps.
(54:26):
But yeah, stream my music, comeand get it sugar rush, hands
tied and soon to come cry withme awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Well, this has been fun yeah we'll have to have you
on round two sometime soundsgood.
Thanks, zach take careeverybody.
My love for pop music was always in me.
It was just not something Icould execute where I was from.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I mean even Taylor Swift's, not in the country
anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
There was one time I was at work I used to work at a
concert venue and I got a randomSnapchat and I opened it and it
was literally some guys next toa Bud Light can Ruined my whole
shift.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
They're probably thinking in the history of
mankind has ever likeunsolicited pic like oh man,
that's a great.
Like fucking let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I've never heard that happening.
Men, boys, people with penises.
Please do not send your pics.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Online dating for guys only works if you're like
you have to be fucking top ofthe top.
Good looking.
If you take really good care ofyourself.
You can get 15 years out of it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I love a simp.
No, no, no, you're simpy, Ilove it.
I guarantee you're a fuckingsimp.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I guarantee you're lucky.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Even the alpha changed simp.
For me Simps only.
Sometimes a guy can be so nice,so great, so simpy, and still
not the right one.
You might as well just be niceand simpy, and if you don't get
picked like someone's welcome tounattainable glad to have you
(01:14):
with us.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm your host, zach evans.
First of all, thank you to allof our listeners.
We've been getting a ton ofengagement and new followers
over the last couple months andhad some clips blow up, so we
got to thank you guys for this.
Uh, we got a special guest foryou today.
Why don't you go ahead,introduce yourself, tell
everybody what you do, whereyou're from and your star sign?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
hey, I'm saranda.
I'm from texas originally, butI live in la now.
And um, yeah, what was theother one?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
uh, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'm a pop star let's go yeah in the building in the
building.
Yes, what's your star sign?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
my star sign is capricorn.
What, what do you have to say?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I love capricorns are very fun yeah, I agree they're
like a roller coaster.
It's like toxic, toxic, toxic,fun, fun, fun.
You know damn.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
What's your experience with the cappy?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
um, let's just say it was like a roller coaster, you
know, yeah, but toxic is inright now, so it's all good I
mean sure how was it?
We'll.
We'll put a pin in that Cause.
I want to ask you about yourmusic stuff for us, but we'll
come back to the toxicrelationship.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
How was, uh, how was your music journey, my music
journey, yeah, I started off inTexas.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Obviously the vibe there is very country.
So I was doing that.
Carrie Underwood, taylor Swift,miranda Lambert, those are my
queens and I kind of just feltlike I grew out of it as I moved
from my small town to biggercities.
So I lived in San Antonio forcollege and then Austin for two
years before moving here gotcha.
(02:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say your styledoesn't seem country to me in
terms of a couple of things Ilistened to yeah, and like,
obviously, again growing up itwas around, it's kind of the
vibe and it hits different, Ithink, when you're surrounded by
that atmosphere.
But yeah, it just didn't feellike me anymore.
I always did cheerleadinggrowing up and dance, so I think
(03:19):
that my love for pop music wasalways in me.
It was just not something Icould execute where I was from.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I mean even Taylor Swift's, not even country
anymore, I mean she's straightpop.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Carrie Underwood's like country pop kind of a blend
, but like they're all, kind ofmoving to this like like even
like hip hop's gettingsynergized, Like everything's
kind of moving to like thesingularity of music.
I feel like yeah, it's reallycool.
The, the I feel like electronicelements of music have really
spanned it throughout genres andthat's really cool.
But yeah and so, yeah, even inthe people that I was
(03:52):
replicating and doing covers ofand listening to I they still
have a huge like pop.
They're not like superbackwards country or anything.
So, yeah, and I grew up playingwith my dad he was my guitar
player growing up and reallyintroduced me to music at a
young age, so I feel like forhim it was country, was a vibe.
(04:13):
He wasn't trying to play anylike ariana grande or stuff like
that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So yeah, I lived in nashville for two years and it
was the same thing.
It was like they're like, oh no, nashville now it has
everything pop country.
I'm like, yeah, but kind ofcountry, yeah, country
songwriting it does have a yeah,songwriting is heavy there, oh
my gosh, but I do feel like it'sa different kind of writing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Um, yeah, I went to nashville a couple of times
before moving to LA and I waspretty set on living there at
one point, but the vibes justmade me feel like I couldn't be
myself, and I think that's whatpop music gave me the freedom to
is just like I don't have toworry about pissing off any like
conservative label executivethat doesn't want me wearing a
(05:01):
certain thing or moving my bodya certain way, and that was
definitely something Iexperienced in the industry,
which deferred me away from thatenergy that's surprising,
because I feel like maybe not incountry.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I just feel like every time I see a music video
it's always like okay, super hotgirl wearing, not that much you
know.
Looking sexy, like it seems tobe.
I thought that was just crossgenre, or is it still?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
there's a stigma on it I do still think there is a
stigma and again, this was like2017 to 2019, so I I feel like
even since then it's grown andchanged and maybe in texas it's
more yeah, honestly, it was both.
It was both places that I feltthat way, and so, you know, with
(05:45):
pop music I just feel like Ihave so much freedom to be like
my true self, where country justnot the same I do love like the
storytelling and the very likeoh yeah, down to earth, like
country does have that just kindof like lyricism that's like
very just like.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's what I would just say to my bro, you know
what I mean it feels likesomething you just say to your
bro.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
But yeah, no, it's like twanginess, yeah it has a
home feeling for me obviously,like again, it hits different
when you're surrounded bytractors, like my grandfather
and uncle are still commercialfarmers, so I've experienced
that anytime I go home.
And another thing about countrywriting I always loved is the
cleverness.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I do feel like the lyricists are very clever and
taking a catchy phrase orsomething that people say often
and putting it into a songsometimes I think it's clever
and sometimes it's like corny tome, like it depends, like it's
very definitely no, it is hit ormiss, I feel like I'm only
listening to.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know when I would listen.
I honestly don't anymore.
We had a pretty hard breakup,me and country, but I feel like
everything on the radio it'slike if I want to go to like top
country hits it's.
Those kinds of things arepretty well done so yeah, yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And so moving to la vibe out here, because I know I
noticed you said I move, I livein la now and you kind of give
like, yeah, no, because I loveit.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I thought it was like I'm home this is home
to me, um, and it does have likefamily roots for me.
My grandfather used to trainhorse jockeys here for horse
races and my dad lived hereuntil he was 12.
So although I was not born then, I do feel like a sense of home
here, so, and I'm able to dowhat I want to do, which is
(07:36):
pursue being a pop star andpursue music in the way that I
want and do you enjoy thesongwriting part or the
performing more?
see, this is such an interestingquestion.
I feel like the ranking.
There's a ranking of all threethings that you get to do as an
artist.
It's like performance, studioand music videos, and to rank
(07:57):
them someone asked me one time Iwas like so difficult, by the
way, because I truly love all ofit, but I will say that my
number one has to be performance, my number two has to be the
songwriting and then three musicvideos interesting, but music
videos feels like an extensionof performance because I'm like
in front of a camera putting ona show essentially, and you're a
(08:20):
cat, so that comes naturally Iguess y'all love the limelight.
Y'all love the limelight if theshoe fits it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Uh, what do you think ?
Culture of la compared to texasdo you like it?
Is it annoying?
Do you have fake people?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I still like have a romanticized version in my mind
of LA, like I have notexperienced anything super crazy
here that's made me feelanything negative about the city
.
In fact, I feel like it's beenthe opposite.
I've just seen so much beautyand collaboration and I've
honestly surrounded myself withthe best people.
(09:01):
I have the best friend groupthat I also get to work with,
which is so incredible.
I don't even know how thathappened.
It was all an accident, um, allfate or you know whatever you
believe in, and yeah, I've justhad a really fun time good for
you yeah, what about you?
(09:21):
I don't, I don't understand,just like how girls make friends
in la it's.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It blows my mind because it's just like most of
my female friends.
I'm like, oh, do you have abest friend?
Oh, yeah, my friend like tori.
Oh, how long have you guysknown each other?
Oh, two weeks.
We met at a party.
I'm like your best friend, youmet two weeks.
And like, girls out here arejust so competitive.
They just like they, they likeget jealous of each other, then
they talk shit behind their back, then they block each other and
(09:49):
then they find a new bestfriend and it's like a cycle.
It's bizarre to me.
It's like coming from Wisconsin,where everybody's just like say
what you mean, mean what yousay you know kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, Honestly, I feel like I cannot relate to
those girls who are having ahard time with friends.
I feel like I just have reallygreat friends and all of them
are girls Like there's gays too,and um, I thought you were
going to say guys and you'relike there's gays, do you think
you?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
do you think?
Straight guys and girls can befriends.
I heard the yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
So that's interesting because Ifeel like I've always had a
group of dude friends, like Igrew up with all boy cousins.
I grew up in the south likevery country, nothing around
backwoods, vibes so I feel like,yeah, I've just always been
surrounded by that energy andit's a lot of fun like I like
(10:42):
going and doing boy things,sometimes like riding around
four-wheelers doing buggies,getting dirty, and I did a lot
of that growing up and even incollege and after college.
So I've always kind of had likea group of guy friends and, yes
(11:02):
, have they all hit on me atsome point?
Most likely, but I don't knowwhen it gets shut down and we
move on like it's always a vibe.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I heard that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I saw it on tiktok when a guy friend hits on you,
you know if you're a girl andyou have a lot of guy friends oh
well, it's never caused me anyproblems.
I will say I feel like if I'm ina relationship I'm a little
more respectful to myrelationship and how I have
acquaintances and friends.
But yeah, I mean, duringpandemic it was me and my three
(11:34):
guy friends and they kind oftook me in in the city in Austin
, like I didn't have any friendsthere or I didn't know anyone
there when I moved there andthey really took me in during
the pandemic especially and likewe would go out and drink every
single weekend.
Um, good, homely healthy stuffyeah, no, but it was, it was a
(11:55):
good time and, honestly, likehaving them made me feel, I
don't know, like a sense of home.
So, yeah, we had fun and wentto parties and they introduced
me to other people and, yeah, Ifeel like I've always had a
struggle with girlfriends um,all the way back to high school
(12:19):
it's hard yo I like even likeit's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I was a promoter for like four months back in my
villain era, when I was like myboy days okay, how long ago was
that?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I did okay, so I did the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I started off as the so little beta male simp guy
who's all polite and my parentstold me be polite to girls and
then I just got friend zone andcheated on and and then I went
total like phase right, yeah,and I was just like, fuck this
shit, I'm gonna gaslighteverybody, hook up with a bunch
of girls.
And then I kind of like movedin the middle where now I'm like
(12:54):
I'm like a fuck man, you know,not a fuck boy.
Okay, okay and like this new,new breed of fuck boys is just
like they're kind of amateurs,you know what I mean.
Like they have little hair, youknow yeah, hair they like
fucking take shirtless are youintimidated by that?
No, no, no no, these guys,they're taking six-pack selfies
(13:14):
at la fitness yeah, go toequinox like a real fuck boy.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
A lot of them have like millions of followers.
I was gonna say thousands, butyeah, I mean.
Yeah, I mean, don't get mewrong, if you have millions of
follow, cloud beats, gonna saythousands.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong
, if you have millions of follow, clout beats everything.
But there's like a handful ofthose guys most of the rest of
them are like the copycats.
They have cars where the doorsopen sideways, like poor people
you know, it's like like this isthis is my competition.
These amateur fuck boys likecome on, you know yeah, I'm not
threatened.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I'm not threatened, so you're not threatened.
Yeah, okay, plus I'm threatened.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, okay, plus I'm not.
I'm very shy and romantic, sonot that I would care anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So you're not romantic, you're not trying to
like.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm very romantic.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I love sending girls love letters, dick pics, long
walks on the beach like romantic.
No, no like classy dick picsLike.
Like good lighting good angles,you know not like.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Are you putting something next to it to like
compare it?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I feel like I wouldn't want to ruin the art
with.
You know something?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Is it just something that you're sending without
warning?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, never, of course not Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So it's like in a moment of.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's like, it's like three dates in.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I would never send unsolicited dick pic.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Sometimes girls, oh, after the first date they want a
dick pic.
Like you think I'm some kind oflike.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I have never actually heard of a girl asking for a
dick pic.
I've actually never had a girlask me for one either yeah, I
was just saying that to lookcool that's the place he's in,
yeah honestly, never in my lifehave I been like oh, someone
just sent me a d-pick here'swhat.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Here's what I wonder.
Okay, the guys that send theunsolicited ones number one,
it's like from a moralperspective, it's like really,
you're gonna send a dick pic,you know, yeah.
But even just from a practicalperspective, like how many times
have you done that?
And like I've never heard ofthat working a scene, like never
in my life, a single time.
So don't you think, after likethree or four times, like hey,
(15:05):
maybe I should try a differentstrategy, like being a normal
fucking human being?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
it's like a weird thing to me I have literally had
guys send me dick pics onsnapchat that I've never even
spoken to them once and I'vejust seen them watch my stories
and whatever, and they just sentme a dick pic.
There was one time I was atwork I used to work at a concert
venue and I opened.
I got a random snapchat and Iopened it and it was literally
(15:30):
some guy's dick next to a budlight can ruined my whole they
probably thinking you're fromtexas, country singer, you guys
like bud, light and trucks likehere, this will do it, what?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
or maybe you, maybe.
Okay, let me ask you thisbecause if you had like a really
big dick and you want to makesure, like comparison for size
wise, that you didn't think, oh,the camera was too far away or
something like that, you knowyeah, I mean it was bold, let's
just say that, but like I thinkthe same thing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
What do you think is going to come out of this?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
like has it ever in the history of mankind has ever
like unsolicited dick pic?
Like oh man, that's a greatdick.
Like let me like fucking, let'sgo.
I've never heard that happening.
I have a lot of female friends,so yeah, I genuinely feel like
it's never happened.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So men, boys, people with penises, please do not send
it back when they'reunsolicited.
Please do not do that.
It's never gonna end well.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're never gonna get what you want, so just don't
do it please I I always wonderif it's actually the thing
that's gonna work or if theyhave something in their mind
like they just get off to likeoh, she saw it.
You know what I mean is?
I think it's more of like uh,like twisted, yeah, like fetish
thing that definitely makes moresense.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Then I mean them being so delusional that, like
this, is gonna do exactly whatit needs to do yeah, yeah yeah,
so don't do it what about?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
uh, let me ask you this because I think girls are
full of shit on this.
I'm not sure.
So I've heard girls in the pastand I don't do online dating
anymore.
I did it, like years ago, notmy thing but they would say like
oh yeah, whenever guys havelike the shirtless selfies, it's
so cringe.
I would never see a guy who hasa shirtless selfie in the
mirror and then like all thesegirls, I'm like oh, I'm dating
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this new guy.
I'm like, okay, cool, like showhim to me and I go on his
instagram.
It's like fucking shirtlessselfie in the mirror.
I'm like y'all are all full ofshit.
Like if you got a six-pack, itdoesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I feel like it trumps any kind of like cringe factor
of like in the mirror selfieyeah, I definitely felt like I
was in my gym era, where I waslike in my physical gym era and
also dating people in their gymera and wait, why is it just an
era?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
shouldn't that be a lifelong habit?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
for sure.
But when I moved to la, I feltlike my life is just so like
this that it took me some timeto.
You know, we're in austin.
I was like, honestly, in thegym every single day, like no
skips, like fully on my meals,and out here in la I'm like what
do I eat?
Like where do I go?
How?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
the gym here, not it not, it, not, it wait, why not?
What's wrong with the gym?
Not Gold's, not LA FitnessEquinox, equinox is on my radar,
but I have a nice apartment,gym now.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So I'm like, okay, convenience, do you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
do leg day, only no Legs and abs, legs, abs, back
thighs, tris.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like lifting weights and stuff.
Yeah, good for you.
Yeah, yeah.
So I actually used to dofitness modeling way back in the
day.
But, yeah, moved away from thatcountry, moved away from
country music pop star now, yeah, yeah, but um, yeah, I don't
know.
I think that people like hotpeople, hot people show their
bodies off and that's especiallyif you're in a gym vibe.
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I feel like that's all peopleshow off.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Guilty at one point, but yeah I think that I think
that people like hot people,people like hot girls.
I think people are hot guys tosome extent yeah, it's more
about confidence?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
yeah, obviously it could be a hot guy and have a
shit personality or be rude orwhatever and like that obviously
makes you not hot.
But if you're hot and you're adecent person, you're catch.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So you go for looks more.
Do you go for personality?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
definitely both, like there has to be an initial
attraction.
There has to be an initialattraction I mean yeah, like
it's a vibe.
There's a vibe there.
And then obviously personalityyou get to know someone.
You really see like how youmesh, and I think conversation
is a huge part of that would youever date a guy who's shorter
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than you?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
No, um, that's just like because I think most girls
and I don't.
I don't blame you guys yeah,you feel weird kissing up.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm also like kind of short, like five,
five, four, little under fivefour.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So I think if you're shorter than five four um your
life is no, no, no, no, no, no,really funny and rich.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I honestly don't know a lot of guys that are under
five four I don't personally soI'm, like you know, on top of
also liking six feet and up,like it is just a preference, I
don't know like no, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I've seen some tall ugly dudes get bad girls like
literally like if you're six,five it doesn't matter, you get
one tattoo and girls want tofuck you for no reason.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I gotta get by my natural charm and charisma lol,
how tall are you, how tall areeven, how tall are you even?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
six one, okay, six three on tinder okay, I thought
you were done with online dating.
I'm very romantic, I actuallyI'm done so where do you meet
people?
uh.
So I'm pretty like connected inthe hollywood scene so I go to
like parties and stuff like that.
It's just like I think onlinedating for guys only works if
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you're like you have to befucking top of the top Good
looking, like I will see girlsthat at a party I could like
easily talk to and connect withBoom, we were going on dates.
I go on online dating Like theydon't even match with me and I
don't even think I'm ugly.
I think I'm just like aboveaverage.
I'm like above average but likecompared to like some of these
dudes on this app with like andthey use like the this uh,
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there's some app that you canlike shape your face to look
better and like boom.
They use all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They know all the photoshop come on.
You never use facetune um,maybe to smooth my skin, but
nothing to alter I see you, youever got catfished have I ever
got catfish?
I would say no, like there istimes where someone doesn't look
exactly like their pictures,but I think it's just like.
Their vibe in person isdifferent.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I see yeah, and here's the thing.
I don't mind a little bit ofcatfish.
I understand every single girldoes it.
So if you don't do it, it'skind of like everybody else is
doing it.
But one time I met this girlwhere I'm like yo, that filter
was working fucking fullcapacity.
It was like working overtimeshifts, to fucking like it.
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So I got catfished one time.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And then I got lifestyle catfished one time
lifestyle catfish yeah oh, theylied about their whole, like
what they do.
It's not that they lied aboutit.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, so it was, this was early, this was like early
covid, like 2020 okay um, youremember when everybody was
blowing up on tiktok like you do?
one video of you like walking ina dress and it's like a million
views oh yeah so this chick hadlike over a million followers
on her instagram every dayfucking yacht lamborghini,
fucking private jet tulum, likeeverything right.
(22:56):
So we started dating and everytime she'd come over she always
come to my place.
She lived in the valley, youknow what I mean yeah, and I was
like you know you have to drivethrough traffic every day to
get here, like I can come checkout your place, like, if it's
easier.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
She's like no, it's okay like that's weird so one
day I finally go there and I'mdriving through the valley.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Have you been to the valley?
Yes okay, so you know thevalley is kind of like.
Have you seen the movie lionking?
Definitely all right, you knowmufasa's like up on pride rock
yeah and he's like simba, likeanything the light touches, is
your kingdom yeah and then he'slike the dark, shadowy areas.
Never fucking go there, it'sdangerous.
(23:35):
There's crackhead hyenas likeyou're gonna get fucking stabbed
.
You know what I mean?
she lived in like the dark,shadowy areas of the valley down
whereas like there's likegraffiti, there's like bars over
the windows, there's like feralchildren scurrying around in
the sewers.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know, it's like sketchy ass shit, that's so, so
I go into her house and she'slike I'm like like, oh yeah,
give me the tour.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
She opens his door.
I'm like, oh, this is like anice walk-in closet.
She's like Zach, this is myroom.
I looked down.
There's just a mattress on thefloor, no fitted sheet, just
like a flat sheet on themattress.
I go like this I can touch bothof the walls at the same time.
And then this is the craziestpart, you're not gonna believe
this.
So we start watching hulu onher laptop because she doesn't
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have a tv.
Okay, and she has hulu withadvertisements oh my god, I was
like you were on a private jetyesterday.
You have hulu with ads.
It was the craziest shit to meokay.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, did you ever find out?
Yeah, like how she was schemingyes, well, okay, here's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So I'm I'm pretty high up on the privilege ladder,
like I'm white, straight male,so I'm like here and I'm a
pisces.
So I'm probably like herethere's only one privilege that
beats mine.
I'm like second highest and I'mstill mad that you guys beat me
.
Hot girl privilege fucking uphere it only lasts 10 years, but
like that shit.
I mean, if you take really goodcare of yourself, you can get
(25:04):
15 years out of it.
Kim has been hot for a long timeyeah, I mean, but that's like
crazy levels of plastic surgery.
J-lo looks like she's 25 yeah,like literally who else?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
there's, there's several queens like that, yeah
yeah, no, there there's a lot ofwomen that look good.
I plan on being one of thosewomen, hey, um, how?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
old are you?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
you're very confusing oh really, how old do you think
I am?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
like 32 whoa in personality but you look like
you're like 19 with a fake id.
Okay period, like I don't knowwhether it's like talk about
investing or like doing molly atdisneyland, like it's very.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
This is honestly, that's the hottest thing I've
heard all day.
Thank you so much um no, I'm 26okay, so right in the middle
right in the middle.
Yeah, and I love that I'mbringing such a youthful energy
to this yeah, you're still inyour prime.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Are you considered gen z or did you beat the cut?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
off low-key, if I mean the internet says so many
different things about when genz started, but if it says the
most common thing that I see,which is 97, that means that I
was one of the first gen Z ever,so I am leading the charge here
.
I am.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Do you vape?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Absolutely not.
You're probably not Gen Z, thenat least in spirit, oh well,
I'm going to have a betterthroat and body on the inside.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh, I agree.
That's enough for me.
Everybody talks about is vapingactually bad for you?
Some people know it's justwater vapor.
Some people know it's likeworse than cigarettes I mean,
it's nicotine.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
It's nicotine.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We know what nicotine does the thing that scares me
is like, like I drink, I couldcount on one hand the number of
alcoholics I know in my life.
Like it's very like yeah fewand far between every single
person that I know that vapes islow-key addicted.
They're vape oh yeah, likelow-key, like you cannot stop
like, oh no, I'm gonna quit.
Two weeks later, they're vapingagain.
(27:07):
It's like crazy yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
No, I think that that is a plague, but do your thing,
I'm also just like, do yourthing, I still queen yeah, yeah
I've smoked a couple times justmade me tired I found myself
through it.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Honestly, I feel like I didn't your inner child
through it?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
yeah, definitely.
Um, yeah, I feel like I got toknow myself on deeper levels,
which obviously it's noteveryone's experience with it,
but I waited until I was 21 toeven try it okay and I think
that that made a huge differencewith my experience as well.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You do you smoke when you song right?
Does it help you like get intothe thing?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
not typically.
I honestly feel insecuresmoking in a studio sometimes,
um, but I'm down to try it whenit feels like it's the right
vibe.
Um, overall, though, I justkind of like use my little brain
to come up with something cuteand funny and hot, so yeah yeah,
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whatever works the shower.
Oh my god, the shower.
So many ideas in the showerthat's your secret, secret
songwriting spot yeah, yeah, Ifeel like that's most people's,
or like a lot of people's comeup with things in the shower,
but my voice is amazing in theshower really.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, only in the shower in the car what's your
like go-to the shower to sing oh, I like, don't stop believing,
okay classic.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, something you just like belt out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, I tried out karaoke but turns out the key
they actually sing it is likeway too high for my voice, so it
doesn't work, okay, so you'rejust kind of doing your own
thing.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah Well, period, live your life.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I do my best out here .
It's hard being a Wisconsin boy, are you an?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
entrepreneur I am.
Okay, well, what are you into?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So I play piano.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Oh, no way Same.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Started doing covers back in the day.
I actually started because mygirlfriend cheated on me oh and
I was so pissed at her I startedwaking up every day at 6 am and
fucking grinding.
You know what I mean I love itit was actually funny.
So, like I said, like I used tobe like a huge simp, like
little little beta male simp,like riding bird scooters with
my friends, like like little,like simp guy so started dating
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this girl right okay this is howmuch of a simp I was actually.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You're gonna cringe at this I love a simp I no, no,
no, you're, I love it Iguarantee you're like, I love it
, only simps last five guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You've dated.
How many are simps and how manyare fuckboys?
Don't lie to me even the alphachanged simp for me, so but he
started off as a fuckboy no, hedefinitely started out, so
fucking simpy did you break upwith him or did he break up with
you?
I?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
broke up with him.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, see, here's the thing I don't get okay but he
was in the military.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
There was a there's a whole like nine month excursion
there that we don't need to getinto, but like so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was because my point is simps only okay, here's
I'm gonna tell you what it'slike being a dude.
Okay, this metaphor is gonnahelp explain it to you.
Imagine aliens came down I loveit already and they nuked the
entire planet.
There there's no food left.
Only 100 people survive.
(30:38):
Right, You're?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
one of the 100 people .
Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
So you go to the alien fortress, right?
And you guys and the humansevery day knocking on the door,
banging please, aliens, give ussome food.
We're so hungry, oh, we wantedsome food.
So every day the aliens theysend out 10 of their
representatives and each one ofthe aliens picks one person in
the crowd.
Say, today, I'm giving the foodto you, right?
So a week goes by, you're notgetting any food.
(31:02):
You're so fucking hungry,you're just so starving.
So you say alien, please, howdo I get the food?
How do you choose who to givethe food to?
And the alien looks at you.
He goes well, we choose whoeveris the most nicest, sweetest,
most kind human being, and thenwe give them the food.
You think, oh, this should beeasy.
I'm nice and sweet and kind andcaring.
So for the next three daysyou're the nicest person, this
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alien.
You're asking him about hisfamily, you're listening to him,
you even.
You even go scourge the desertand find some flowers that you
found in the desert.
You give the aliens flowers ofthe gift.
Here, alien, have some gift.
The next day the alien walks outwith a juicy double
cheeseburger, some truffle fries, and you're so fucking hungry,
(31:46):
right?
The smell is like wafting overto you.
All you wanted some food.
You're like please, alien, canI have just one truffle fry?
And the alien looks at you andhe pats you on the head and he
goes Aw, you're so sweet.
And then he gives all of thefood to the biggest asshole in
the entire human community.
And you go Alien, what?
(32:06):
And the asshole guess what hedoes?
He goes nom nom nom.
He eats it all up and he goeslike this no crumbs for you,
simp, no crumbs for you.
You go Alien.
You said you were going to giveit to the nicest person.
You gave it to the biggestasshole.
And the alien says any of theseother aliens would be so lucky
to have someone like you intheir life, just not me.
But do it with the other aliensand all the aliens do the same
(32:29):
thing.
That's what it's like being aguy.
I wish I could be a good littlesimp.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But I would starve to death.
So first of Thank you for thatvery detailed metaphor Is your
mind changed?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That was so, first of all.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I want to know when you thought of that, because it
was so detailed.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I'm very smart, even my mom said no, it was
incredible Congrats.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
So, yeah, I honestly think that comes down to the
female.
You know them being, I don't'tknow.
And it's also the vibe likesometimes a guy can be so nice,
so great, so simpy, and stillnot the right one, still not the
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right one that you vibe with.
And so I think it's like youmight as well just be nice and
simpy and if you don't getpicked like someone's going to
pick you, some girl is going tonot be so delusional.
Now, listen, listen.
Some girl is not going to be sodelusional to fall for the
asshole and she's actually goingto be a really great girl and
she's going to love how you'retreating her and it's going to
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lead you guys into love.
So and longevity and commitmentand where we all want to be
maybe, or okay, here's whathappened to me.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
First girlfriend I did in high school, right, I was
such a simp how old are you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm feeling similar vibes like 26, 7, 8, 9, 10 32.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm young for my age and tall for my height, so okay,
great great, so when I was, sothis was this was like 14 years
ago 18 through 21.
Okay, my first girlfriend ever,huge sim.
No, none of the other girlsliked me.
They friend zoned me I thoughtoh, I just got to find the right
, finally found the right girl.
Obsessed with her, so in lovewith her.
I'm so happy to have agirlfriend.
(34:29):
Yeah, every Monday I would wakeup at 6 am, I would drive to
the Walmart between our housesand I'll get a pack of the
purple skittles, cuz purple, thewild berry flavors.
I was her favorite bag yeah andsome flowers, and I'll write a
cute note to her and I'll put iton her doorstep so she opens
the door.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
She's surprised, right oh my god, he got me
flowers so cute I did this shitfor three years that's a long
time, then that's effort.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I get a call from my buddy.
Yo, bro, I hate to be the oneto tell you this, but I was at a
party last night.
Julie goes into the room withanother guy.
They come out together afterlike 30 minutes, everybody's
saying they hooked up rightjulie and I'm like no way she'll
never cheat on me, like we'rein true love, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
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Romantic blah blah.
So I go confront her about itand she just fucking admits it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
She's like yeah, I cheated on you, but no tears.
No, I'm so sorry she's.
Like yeah, I cheated on you,but no tears.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
No, I'm so sorry, she was just like yeah, she's
trying to stay together afterthat no, she was like yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, here's my question.
Before I'm gonna say myquestion, I'm gonna make a
statement.
This was 14 years ago or 10years ago.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There's there's more to the story, but keep going
going.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Okay, well, I still stand.
It's.
10 years ago, this was highschool.
This was such like non-seriousvibes.
Julie is Right, julie.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Not the only Julie out there, but yeah, what a
different time dating in your30s than when you're early 20s
or late teens.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh no, I'm glad it happened actually yeah, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm sure I told you about the lesson.
However, what else was going onin the relationship?
Like, though, julie was like Imight cheat?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
um she, I still remember the last thing that she
ever said to me in my life,right okay the last thing I said
to her.
I looked her dead in the eye.
I was like bawling my eyes outright and she's just like
nonchalant.
She's like whatever.
I was like julie, I was theperfect boyfriend.
I would do anything to make youhappy.
That's what I told her.
I was like I just want to knowwhy.
And she looked me dead in theeye.
She went like this like sheshrugged her shoulders and she
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was like I just got bored andthat moment was like I will
never be this fucking simp guyagain that gets fucking
manipulated.
And then I started waking up at6 am every day, posting videos
on my YouTube channel everysingle week for eight years,
Because I was like fuck thisbitch, right yeah.
Eight years I posted and Ifinally my YouTube channel
(37:00):
finally blew up, got a bunch offollowers.
I got a bunch of money Moved toL.
I finally my YouTube channelfinally blew up, got a bunch of
followers.
I got a bunch of money moved toLA, got a mansion, got a car
where the doors open up likethis.
And then when I found Julie onInstagram I haven't talked to
her in eight years, right?
So I followed her.
She follows me back that night.
Go to the biggest mansion partyI can find Posting videos hot
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girls, cool car fucking modelsall over the place place right,
and then she unfollows me oninstagram so I knew that it was
affecting her right.
So then the next morning I wentto walmart.
I bought a pack of the purpleskittles right no way, I took a
picture of it and I dm'd her apicture of the purple skittles
and I thank you for making methe man that I am today.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And then underneath I put, so I can get girls who are
way hotter than you, fire emoji, and that was the greatest
fucking moment.
That healed my inner child andit healed all my trauma at the
same time, and now I never needtherapy again, just because that
one moment.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So revenge.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Eight years of revenge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.
But so revenge, eight years ofrevenge, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean, it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It was congrats on your success.
There is something beautifulabout someone fucking you over
and you persevering through thateven harder than you ever
thought you could um so hellyeah because?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
because here's the thing too, and you're probably
gonna hate me for this, andthat's fine, I'm gonna say it
anyway, because it's true peoplesay that with you know mental
health issues, blah, blah blah.
It's because you know kids havelike too much trauma nowadays
or whatever.
I actually think we got totraumatize kids more, like I
think we need more bullying inschools I think there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I still think that there's quite a bit of bullying
I don't know some of these.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I mean, I'm not there you're not there, yeah I here's
what I think.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay, but the but someone could be so bullied at
their school like bullied, likecrazy.
That's in person and they canbe loved online you know, by a
lot of people.
So, yeah, I don't necessarilythink we need more bullying,
maybe more parents that aretogether oh, that's definitely
true, that's 100% yeah, I thinkthat's a big thing.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I just think, like a lot of the like, okay, take a
put like this if you look at thestats right, the highest level
of mental health issues is allin the richest countries.
It's like America it's likeparts of Europe.
Yeah, if you all in the richestcountries, it's like america,
it's like parts of europe yeahif you live in venezuela and you
have to like when you're fiveyears old, like your family runs
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out of water and you have tolike walk through the sweltering
heat five miles on your likeandroid phone to like the local.
Well, like when your girlfriendbreaks up with you when you're
18, like it's not that big of adeal, like you're not going to
therapy.
You're not like you know, inamerica, if you're five years
old and you get like last placein the basketball tournament and
you're crying, they're like oh,little boo boo, little gen z.
(39:53):
Like let's talk about yourfeelings and like ride bird
scooters together, blah, blah,blah.
You know, and I just think theselike people are so soft.
You know, especially guys likeI get for girls.
I don't know what it's like tobe a girl.
You guys have more hormones andblah, blah, blah yeah,
definitely more home ordifferent hormones yeah, yeah I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I think, speaking on the whole, there's a kid in
valenzuela that's like runningto get his family water.
The thing about those countriesand those cultures is family is
a unit, family is not dividedand everyone needs each other.
And I think there's a lot offamily division in, I guess,
richer countries, specificallyamerica, but I think that in
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itself just makes people feelreally alone, whether they're
the children going through it oreven the parents, or someone in
the family is being affected byseparation and things like that
, and obviously not everyone'smeant to be together.
But I think that that's anotherthing we need to focus on is
healthy relationships, healthycommunication and not being fuck
(41:01):
man or not being fuck boy orfuck girl or fuck woman I'm just
saying like don't you thinkthat the world would be a better
place if people were toprioritize healthier
relationships and being in goodrelationships and having
children in those environmentsand raising them in healthy
relationship environments, likeI think that that is a cycle
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that's not good for anyone Iagree with you for the parenting
, the hard part, for like thedating scene thing, I mean you
gotta find a good partner.
You know, bringing a, bringingsomeone else into this world
like that's a team effort, it'sa partnership for life and it's
a commitment to each other andthe child.
(41:45):
So having healthy relationshipis having healthy dating.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
It all starts at the root but I think that look,
because I'm in the field okay, Imean like I think that sounds
great in theory from theperspective but I'm like when
you're out there in in thetrenches yeah, it's like no, the
la dating scene is fucked.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's completely fucked.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, yeah, let me just yeah, this is actually kind
of what solidified it for metoo.
So, um, I got really mad at agirl once because she was like
saying really nice things aboutbeing behind my back, and I got
like really pissed at her shewas saying nice things about you
behind your back.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, oh, without my permission either
okay, so she was just likezach's great so so okay and
you're like you, yeah, yeahexactly, exactly so we're
driving to this party we'redriving to this party in malibu.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's my buddy's, uh one of my best friend's
girlfriend and I was giving hera ride because he's like meeting
us there.
Blah, blah, blah.
So I'm telling her all thesestories of my fuck boy days, my
villain era.
She's cracking up.
She's like ha ha ha, this is soexciting.
She's exact at the partytonight.
I'm gonna be your wing woman.
I'm gonna get you so manybitches and I'm like, dear lord,
please don't intervene ingetting the bitches, I will get
(43:01):
the bitches myself.
I don't need your trying tocome into getting the bitches
thing right.
So we get to the party and I'mvibing with this girl on like
the porch.
I'm in the perfect like whereI'm like leaning back.
She's like you know what I mean.
I'm like looking cool, we'revibing, everything's good.
Then she comes up pulling thisgirl with her and she's like and
(43:22):
first of all, this girl is likenot even cute to me, right?
So she interrupts my talkingwith the girl I'm actually
interested in and she goes oh mygod, this is zach.
This is the guy I was tellingyou about.
He's such a great guy.
He's so sweet and nice andcaring and I just watched both
the girls and I watched anylevel of attraction they had for
(43:44):
me just fucking shrivel up likea raisin and literally then the
ugly girl goes.
she goes aw.
That's sweet, but in a way likeaw cute little puppy dog and I
was like you just made me getrejected by a girl I didn't even
talk to and messed up what Ihad with like the cute girl at
(44:04):
the girl at the same.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
it was like the worst wingman experience of my life
trust me, it wasn't because shesaid you were a good guy yes, it
was you literally had one chickover here, one chick being
introduced to you by anotherchick, like you're surrounded by
women, they're all facing youat a time where you're like
entertaining one and then thesetwo other come up Like it's just
(44:25):
.
I feel like that mix was alittle more of what contributed
to that experience.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
No, that would help me, if anything.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Okay, no, don't lie about this.
I swear to God.
Look, I used to be a promoter.
No one's lying.
I used to be a promoter noone's promoter.
I cannot tell you how manytimes I would talk to a girl.
She'd be like kind of likedismissive, like on her phone,
like oh, cool, cool, cool, rightlike that.
Boom and I go talk to anothergirl.
This girl's into me All of asudden girl number one.
Oh my god, I'm like.
(44:56):
You were just like Rejecting me, like five minutes ago.
Now all of a sudden you'remagically into me.
I'm not saying it's right orwrong or the way the world
should work.
I'm just saying it's the waythe world is like.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's just the reality that I live in the reality you
live in because of yourprofession and where you are in
the world maybe dead ass so I'mnot a promoter anymore, though
yeah yeah, but let's go back tothose days, right, you know your
interaction with women was wasvery much like the same.
It was very fraudulent,potentially.
(45:27):
You know where they're justlike oh yeah, now you're cool or
now I want to talk to you orentertain you or whatever.
They all want something fromyou as a promoter.
They want to be in the club orwhatever you're promoting or
involved in, like cool shit.
That is their goal in thatmoment.
So, yeah, you could be a greatguy, you could be hot and
(45:48):
whatever, but like their motiveis that.
So that's not the environment.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I disagree that's not an environment, to like choose
who you're gonna be with, orwhatever I think that's false,
though, because when I was,that's when I got laid the most
out of my entire fucking career.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, laid Laid.
You didn't get married, you gotlaid.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, I didn't get married, You're right.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, did you even have any long-term relationships
?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Somewhat, but I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's not that I have.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
People think I have commitment issues.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's not true.
I have commitment.
That's not true.
I've come in with concerns.
What are?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
your concerns.
No, no, it's a different.
There's a difference.
Okay, put it like this let'ssay, you buy a new lamborghini
right bright pink lamborghini.
You're fucking pumped about ityeah, I can't wait.
So your friend invites you to apart to their birthday party in
downtown la.
You're like why are we going todowntown la?
I'm gonna get robbed, I'm gonnaget stabbed, but it's your
friend's birthday, whatever yougo, yeah.
So you go right in front of thedive bar.
There's like a perfect openparking spot right in front of
(46:47):
the bar.
You're like, perfect, you parkit.
And after you park it, you seeoutside your window there's
there's homeless people fightingthe air.
There's like drunk peoplethrowing bottles at each other.
So you think, okay, I'm notgonna park it here, I'm gonna go
park in the parking garage twoblocks away, where it's safe
underneath, with the securityguard and everything.
I don't think you have parkingissues.
(47:10):
You have parking concerns.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So with girls, what concerns me is okay when guys
cheat, don't get me wrong.
Guys will lie about it.
No, she's just a friend, Ididn't cheat on you.
They'll try to hide it, butit's like in the back of our
mind.
we know what we're doing iswrong yeah what scares me about
girls is just like working inthe modeling industry for a
while and like having a lot offemale friends.
(47:36):
I've had so many girls tell methey cheated on a guy and they
will convince their own mindthat it wasn't cheating.
They'll be like oh, I wasn't inlove with him anymore.
Oh, uh, I was drunk that night,it doesn't count.
Oh, it was a full moon, itdoesn't count as a full moon
like it's crazy to me.
I'm like what do you mean?
(47:57):
You literally hooked up with aguy while you're in a
relationship.
The fuck are you talking?
And that's what scares me.
I'm like, if they can't evenknow themselves that it's wrong,
like they're gonna evenconvincing me that it's wrong.
It's like, uh, that's whatscares me about relationships
yeah, I mean, I do not knowthese women.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I don't know any women like this personally, so I
cannot speak to women like that.
Um, but I still stand by what Isaid.
I do not think that you're inthe right environment for
someone who is not doing thosethings, someone who is not
trying to like, and with apromoter, someone who is like,
(48:41):
just in their own and confidentand strong and not concerned
with playing a game with la andthe people in it.
So, yeah, I don't know howyou're gonna find that, because
obviously that's the vibe aroundhere, but I think if you could
get to that place, you'll findwhat you're looking for, if
(49:02):
that's what you want.
Do you even want to get marriedand have kids?
I had a bad experience with kidsin a grass hill okay, I'm not
sure if I want kids anymore yeah, well but maybe maybe dogs,
cats, I don't know, definitelynot cats, definitely not cats, I
don't trust cats and I don'ttrust girls who trust cats.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
But I have a good reason for it.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I did hear something very, very funny, um, from my
friend nathan, but he was like,yeah, cats kind of like
prostitute themselves to humansbecause they know they're gonna
get fed and taken care of Ibelieve it and like slay, but I
am a dog person at heart.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I just love them, they love me and most people, so
yeah the reason I don't trustcats is cats are like sociopath
versions of dogs.
They don't really love youthey're there for the food.
Yeah, but every cat owner Iknow they'll be like they have
like scratches on their arms,like oh my god, what happened.
Oh, my cat, but trust he lovesme like are you sure?
(50:04):
but then yeah, this this is whyI don't trust cats who like
girls because they'll end up ina relationship and they're with
some like sociopath narcissist.
They're like, oh, he loves me.
And all their friends are likethe fuck are you talking about?
He's a sociopath narcissist, hedoesn't love you.
They're like no, trust me, justlike my cat, he loves me.
And they end up in the samerelationships yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
I don't know.
I've never owned a cat.
I also see that they are just.
You know, they have claws.
I can't help it.
Poor things, but yeah, theyscare me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
But all my friends have cats and I love my friend's
cats.
They're all sweet and gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So I love dogs.
Yeah, I would never get one butI want, like my roommate, to
get one or something oh, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Well, what if you're in a relationship and you had a,
you had a lady?
Would y'all want to getanything?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
the hard part about that.
Let's say we get a dog, then webreak up.
What do I give the dog to her?
And I miss the dog if?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I take the dog for myself.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Now I gotta like I can't travel.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
No, I mean obviously you have to be dating like with
a projection, that marriage isin the future and then you're
gonna have you know.
Yeah, sounds like you haven'tgotten there yet, so yeah,
probably not but are you havingfun?
I mean are.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Are you just miserable?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Okay, no, my life is very that's the thing, Like the
LA dating scene is horrific andscary, but it is.
It can be fun.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Here's what I think.
Okay, LA dating life is like,you know, when you play a video
game and you first start thegame and you can choose like
easy mode, medium mode, hardmode or sometimes like challenge
mode.
La is like challenge mode.
La is like challenge mode.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
It's like the hardest mode.
It definitely is hard, but ifyou, beat the game.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
it's like you won, like the best game.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Keep hitting this.
What is winning the game to you, though.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah.
I mean it's hard to say,because I do think I will get
married someday.
But, I don't want to settleeither.
I'm very ambitious, so I wantlike A girl who is extremely
beautiful, also amazingpersonality, also great
character.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Everything Into things that you're into.
How long have you played piano?
Since, I like in kindergarten,nice I started when I was 12 and
I had to teach myself, becauseI lived in a really small town,
there was nobody to, there wasno like music education at all,
like even in my high school, um,so I had to like teach myself
(52:40):
on youtube nice.
And my parents live so far outof like anything that they
didn't even get Wi-Fi until like2020.
So I was dealing with somepretty slow internet.
It would take like a day toload a whole YouTube video and
then I would like slowly pieceit together.
But yeah, I love piano.
(53:01):
I'm actually doing a pianoversion of my new single coming
up and that will probably comeout in December.
New single out in November, soI'm really excited about those
projects, or can you not drop it?
Speaker 2 (53:14):
you have to name.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I'll drop the name on here first how about that?
it's called cry with me and yeah, it should come out November
17th, but like there's so manythings on the back end that kind
of push things off.
But yeah, it's a little bitdifferent than my other stuff,
so I'm curious to see thereception.
But I feel like it's like mysoft, sensitive side, since
(53:36):
we're talking about likerelationships and things.
I feel like that song wassomething that I wrote while I
was in the LA dating scene Verymuch like everyone is wearing a
mask, everyone is, you know,fraudulent a little bit, and
it's really hard to get deepwith people here yeah, for sure
so yeah, it's relevant cool.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, we're about out of time.
Any uh shout outs you want togive to instagram or tiktok or
anything like that?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
um.
Follow me on instagram sarandaunderscore xo.
Follow me on all platforms.
That's the handle foreverything saranda c-e-r-a-n-d-a
.
It's very difficult for peopleand I get it.
I don't know my.
My name is actually my parentsnames put together, so caesar
and amanda saranda.
I see um, so hopefully thathelps.
(54:26):
But yeah, stream my music, comeand get it sugar rush, hands
tied and soon to come cry withme awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Well, this has been fun yeah we'll have to have you
on round two sometime soundsgood.
Thanks, zach take careeverybody.
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