Leaning Into Love: Why Women Secretly Prefer Dominance Over Nice Guys Ft. Shaliz - Ep.109

We dive deep into the realities of dating in Los Angeles, exploring toxic relationships, authenticity in a city of illusions, and the unspoken rules of attraction.

• Dating toxic people creates addictive cycles similar to drugs with highs and withdrawals
• LA breeds a culture where almost everyone fakes their lifestyle and presents an unattainable image
• Attractive women often get access to celebrity-filled venues while others are excluded
• Younger hot guys are initially appealing but eventually become boring due to lack of substance
• Fashion models and Instagram/OnlyFans models exist in completely different social hierarchies
• Despite claiming to want nice guys, many women are actually turned off when men are too sweet
• The psychology of wanting someone who seems less invested than you creates relationship dynamics
• Phone "hacking" techniques for suspicious partners include live photos to bypass Face ID
• Most attractive women prefer men who are dominant and can make them feel feminine
• The "line test" reveals relationship power dynamics through who physically leans into whom

If you want to connect with Shaliz, you can find her on Instagram @shaliz.noories.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, so you're super talky Like yeah, no, what I
scream, fuckboy, like my entirefucking outfit and everything is
like hello, I'm a fuckboy,hello, I'm into black guys.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I like the dread type of look.
It's LA.
It's like at some point youjust get used to everyone faking
their lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
He's easy.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's like totally like city burnt, like everyone's
seen him, seen a lot of girlshave fucked him like people are
a lot more accessible than youthink they are in what you live
in, la they're in the same spotsbecause you're a hot girl.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
If you were an ugly girl, you would not have access
to any of the celebrity spots.
Guys, do we like pisces men?
Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
those 23 year old.
I think they're the smart onesbecause I feel like they've
lived enough life where theyknow okay, I need to settle down
soon, I need to be taken careof.
They're like 23.
They've never worked a real job.
Probably.
They make all their income frombeing hot and living in la.
They've never actually had tolike pay for their rolling loud
ticket.
The young hot guys, they don't.
They don't really make anymoney, especially on tick tock
and stuff, and a lot of them arela homeless.

(00:57):
As a guy, wouldn't you wantyour girl to be like, in a sense
, like throw her back?
You know what I mean.
Like why would I want to talkto another guy?
That's not the man I'm tryingto pursue All your pictures with
like your ass out.
You know those likeprofessionally taken pictures
and like their asses are out andthey're like at like a really
nice Hollywood Hills house.
Everything's all staged.
I don't see that as realmodeling the purpose of modeling

(01:18):
is to sell clothes.
If you have an OnlyFans, you area sex worker, either you like
it or not.
I mean, there is levels to it,but you do work in the sex world
.
You are a sex worker.
You are one step down fromdoing porn.
You're more selling your bodythan you are selling a bikini.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
This new breed of dudes is built for you, Dude
they're like females, dude,they're just a bunch of
girlfriends.
Welcome to Unattainable.
Glad to have you with us.
I'm your host, zach Evans, andfirst of all, thank you to all
of our listeners.
We've been getting a ton ofgrowth over the last couple of
weeks and we've got to thank allof you guys out there for that.
Today we've got a special gueston the show.

(01:51):
This is Shalise.
Shalise, why don't you go aheadand introduce yourself to the
audience, name what you do andyour star sign?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Cool.
My name is Shalise.
I live in la, I'm 20 years oldand I'm an aries aries, I know
all about you guys I'm a superaries.
Like if you looked up thedefinition, it'd be me.
Oh so you're super toxic.
Like yeah, no, what a littlebit I've.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I've had two, uh, intimate experiences with aries
and they're very fun, but theynever end well.
They bad for my mental health,I think, is the way I would put
it there we're special people Iwould say that's my rising yeah,
what's your um?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
pisces the best one okay nice, proven by science,
numerous studies I'm aries,aquarius, aquarius, so I'm like
super what is aquariuscharacteristics?
They want to be different thaneveryone else.
Um, I don't know.
They're just, they're buried tothemselves.
They're different than anyother sign.
Yeah interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
By the way, I don't judge.
I used to be very toxic back inmy villain I still am a little
bit, I won't lie okay, just alittle you know I'm kind of
recovering fuck boy but.
But but back in my, my fuck boyera I was.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was a professional, not like the gen z fuckboys you
see, okay, so you were reallygood at what you did and stuff
yeah, I wasn't with my birdscooter and taking shirtless
selfies at la fitness you're ina black car, right, I'm in a
black, I'm in a convertible I'mgoing to equinox like a real
fuck you know, not like theseamateurs.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Let me ask you this so you said you've had a couple
toxic relationships in your past.
Yeah, when you get into theserelationships in the back of
your mind do you know that he'stoxic, but he's just so fun and
exciting that you don't care.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's like a drug like you know it's bad for you, but
like you almost can't get enough.
Like you're just constantlylike going back and forth
getting a high, getting sober,getting a high, getting sober.
It's very much like a cycle andlike we're not stupid.
As humans, we know that it'snot good for us but, it's just
addicting, like I see you lovethe person you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know, don't want to break up because I always
thought when I was a fuckboy andI've kind of graduated and
matured out of it but I wasalways very first of all, I was
honest and I would tell girls Idon't want a relationship and
for some reason they didn'tbelieve me.
I didn't understand it, butalso like like I screamed fuck
boy, like my entire fuckingoutfit and everything it's like

(04:13):
like hello, I'm a fuck boy.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Hello, as a female.
It's like a challenge.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's like, oh, he doesn't want to change him
exactly yeah, almost like savethe guy yeah, yeah no, a lot of
girls are like that.
It's interesting.
Um, have you heard of thisthing called hello fresh?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
it's like a it's like a delivery.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen it on tiktok yeah, so I got
super pissed one time because II ordered 20 meals from hello
fresh.
Because I don't know how tocook, because I'm like a dude,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Okay, and I thought it was like meal prep, right.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So I'm like I don't know how to cook because I'm
like a dude, you know what Imean.
Okay, and I thought it was likemeal prep, right.
So I'm like I don't know how tocook, let me just have them
cook for me and it comes in andI open the thing up and it's
like just the ingredients andyou still have to cook it.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, oh, and I'm like I paid for you to cook it.
I have to do all the work andI'm paying for this, so pretty
much it's just for like stupidpeople to just like give them
the ingredients and like how todo it but you still have to do
it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
You still have to do the work.
Okay, but that's why, like whengirls are like, oh, I'm gonna
change this guy, I'm likethere's guys who are already
done their medium rare steakfucking sweet potatoes why would
you date the ingredients andhope that they turn into like a
good steak?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
it's more like rewarding it feels better, like
knowing that, like you know,like oh, I made the fuck boy
like date me and want me, andyou know every girl in the club
wants him.
But like no, he's mine.
Like it's just this type of Idon't know it's a good feeling
to have as a girl I could seethat you know like you feel like
hot shit as a female, I thinkcuz yeah, yeah, we might bleep
it out.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, cool, interesting.
So so what's your, what's yourtypical type?
Let's do, let's do.
Looks first physical.
Yeah, let's go physical firstum, I'm into black eyes.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like the dread type of look.
Um, I think what they wearmeans a lot like fashion means
everything to me, so kind of howthey put themselves together
and how they present themselves,also like if I see them talking
to every female and stuff.
I don't like that like.
I like a guy very, you know,like to himself smokes, weed,
likes the same music as me,maybe even makes music in the
music industry.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'd say that's definitely yeah, you definitely
like toxic music industry.
Yeah, you know guys artists,they're definitely yeah, yeah,
interesting what about height?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm not like super weird about it, but I do want
them to be definitely tallerthan me.
I would say like six foot islike kind of the cutoff.
I see but if I meet my soulmateand he's like 5, 10, I'm not
gonna be like, oh, I can't, butnot like shorter than you can't
definitely not shorter than me.
I feel I wouldn't even likereally look that way, I, I get
like it sounds superficial, butI get it.
You know what I mean.
Like.

(06:39):
Would you like a fat girl like?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
no, of course not the fuck there you go, same way no.
So the the first fashion modelI dated.
She was 5, 11 so even threeinches shorter than me but but
with heels that were about thesame height, you know, okay, and
before me she dated all theselike only basketball players,
nba players, stuff like that,and then she got fucked over so

(07:02):
many times.
She's like zach.
The next guy dated.
I was like I don't care aboutlooks, status, they did this
five, eight guy.
Was he good to her at least?
So here's what happened.
So so she's like towering overmy truck.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
mean and she goes yeah, first three dates were
like good.
Then one day he comes over tomy house and I had a couple
glasses of wine beforehand andshe's like zach, he walked in, I
gave him a hug.
And she's like Zach, he walkedin, I gave him a hug and she's
like.
I picked him up and I spun himaround and watched his little
legs fly to the side and she'slike Zach.

(07:33):
I lost all respect for himafter that day, I would too.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I'm like that's your fault.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
But I get it Like I get it.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Did she want to pick him up, or he was just so light
she accidentally no, no, she wasjust like drunk, so she kind of
just did it.
You know, like the wine hit.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I would be so turned off, I would be so like, uh,
icked out completely.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, I get it like I would feel weird kissing up
you know, looking like this, Idon't know I don't like it and
it's something about like thedominance of a guy that's like
bigger than you, and it's likeyou don't really realize that
until you're with a guy that'slike six, four, and you're like,
wait, I could get used, like Icould get super used to this,
like this is it's nice yeah whatabout personality?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
then?
What do you look?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
personality.
Um, I like to be social like Idon't like a guy that's like, oh
, I don't want to go out withyou, I don't like I would like
for them to go out, not only goout.
I'd like for them to know morepeople than I do, because
there's nothing moreembarrassing than like showing
up to like an event or somewhereand you're like this is my
boyfriend, this is my boyfriend,this, you know what I mean.
I would like for him to be likehey, everybody, this is my girl
, and like we're kind of morewith his people and his friends.

(08:33):
They would have to be outgoing,they would have to be hilarious
.
Um, I think I have a reallygood sense of humor, so you'd
have to be funny.
What else?
Smart, you don't have to go toschool or anything, but you know
some type of income.
I think that's really important.
He has to be making more thanme, definitely just like enough
to be able to take care ofhimself financially and then
eventually, me yeah, do you havea cut off income wise?

(08:55):
no, but I have a pretty good eyefor saying who's making good
money and who's not, and weexactly, we live in la, so it's
like 75 of the time they arefull of shit, but there's
there's a couple good ones leftI got lifestyle catfish by this
girl one time lifestyle.
What's that?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
so this is like 2020 and like everybody's blowing up
on tiktok.
Like you post one video of youwalking and you get a million
followers right so she had likea million plus on tiktok.
Every story was like privatejet yacht, blah, blah, blah,
like all this stuff.
You know what I mean?
Oh, lifestyle catfish.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
And she would always come to my place, which is
pretty normal Girls.
I don't usually come over here,but I was like you know you
always drive all the way fromthe valley Like she was like
deep in the valley and I waslike I can come to your place
sometimes like van nuys orsomething yo so.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
So the valley, the valley is.
Do.
You have a lot of experiencewith the valley?
Oh yeah, I know about it.
It's like I tell people.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's like uh, have you seen lion king the movie?
So you know, in simba andmufasa they're up on pride rock
yeah and mufasa's like simba.
He's like everything the lighttouches is your kingdom and he's
like see those dark, shadowyareas.
Never go there, it's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
There's crackhead hyenas, like she was in the
shadowy areas of the house likeliterally like right in the
middle, like not the top or thebottom.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
It was sketch, like there's just like fucking feral
children screwing around oh mygod it was sketchy.
Um.
So I go up to her apartment andI walk in and I'm like, oh yeah
, give me the tour, you know.
And her three roommates aresitting on the couch, you know
and it's a clown house, so Iopened this door and I'm like oh
, this is a nice like walk-incloset, it's her room no way

(10:31):
there was mattress on the ground, no fitted sheet, just like
flat sheet over the top.
My god, I could go like this andlike touch both of the walls
with my hands.
But the worst part, this is thecraziest part of the whole
story we started watching huluuh on her laptop because she
didn't have a tv she had huluwith advertisements I almost

(10:51):
choked, oh my god I was like youwere on a private jet yesterday
.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You have hulu with ads, oh my it's crazy it's like
the girls that like they have somuch money on instagram, but
they're like oh, can you likeorder me a car, or they're like
can you cover the bill?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I'll pay you back, yeah I'm just like oh yeah, but
but I mean I get it.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's hot girl privilege, I mean it's la, it's
like at some point you just getused to everyone faking their
lifestyle and like more thanhalf the shit I see on instagram
.
Now I'm just like it's not thatfun.
It's never as fun as it lookson social media like I don't
know.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Well, the other thing , too, is too is it's such a.
It's like it's still highschool where it's just
everybody's trying to showthey're the cool kid that got
invited to the cool party.
Exactly Like look, I'm here.
There's this TikTok influencerand fucking G-Eazy, like always
at this party, and you're nothere because you're not cool
enough, g-eazy.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
he's like totally like city burnt.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Like everyone's seen him.
A lot of girls have fucked himlike he's like fucking soldier
boy.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm like soldier boy's not been relevant since
like 2002.
Like you guys are going to theparty because soldier boy's
there literally drake's dad,like I delilah every sunday,
like just living there yeah,some girl had a story about him
on the podcast a little bit agosome of these celebrities.
They're pretty.
I don't want to say like burntout, but they're burnt out.
You kind of know what spots youcan see them at, where they are
, the people they hang out with.
People are a lot moreaccessible than you think they
are once you live in LA.

(12:12):
And that's not ever something Ilike realized before moving
here and I was like thesecelebrities, they're just like
everybody else.
They're just at the same spotsthat we are same clubs, same
restaurants.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
No, no, you're wrong.
They're in the same spotsbecause you're a hot girl.
If you were an ugly girl, youwould not have access to any of
the celebrity spots.
Go to Delilah.
I guess, Maybe, okay, you getthree of your hot friends to get
you in with them.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
That is a good point.
I guess you're right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
By the way, I don't blame you for using full use of
hot girl print.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like like I'm straight white male.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
So I'm already like here.
You already have it.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, and I'm a pisces, so I'm like here you
mean like right, no, no, no, no,pisces, boost me up a little
bit guys, do we like pisces?
Men, yes or no, we're the besteven ilovepicescom has confirmed
that many studies I lovepiscescom.
My ex is actually a pisces.
You're the best.
I have a very strict stigmaaround you, guys.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I don't know Is that one of the toxic ones, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I've only been in like two serious relationships
my whole life and my whole life.
That was one of them, GotchaGotcha and it was like three
years on and off.
It was right when I moved to LAit kind of left it with open
doors so he can come backwhenever he pleases he was like

(13:30):
we're breaking up.
But I love you, you're the onefor me, but we're breaking up.
So anything yeah, super hot andcold.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's a good strategy, it works how did, how did you
meet that relationship?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I met him.
It was one of the first times.
I was partying in la and Istill lived down in newport and
I had come up and my friend knewhim and we had started talking.
We were in a tesla and me andmy girlfriend, we were both
super blasted.
I don't support drinking anddriving, but we were.
We couldn't park the car andit's a tesla, so it's like a
go-kart, it's not like a regularvehicle.
We were parking, I couldn'tpark it correctly and she saw

(14:01):
him walking down the hill andshe was like I know him, I know
him.
So we came and he came andparked the car for us and the
rest is history.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's a crazy way to meet somebody yeah right, and
was he one that you knew rightaway?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
oh yeah, he's probably kind of toxic, but
whatever, he's hot no, at firstit was like it was like your
super, like cheesy type ofromance.
I was like this is the one Iknow.
He felt the same about me.
I was like driving um, before Ihad a nice car, I had like a
little bucket.
I would like drive it back andforth from like newport to the
valley to see him like everyweekend.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
And then eventually I came to la gotcha, yeah, and he
was older, same age, younger,he was same age.
Gotcha gotcha.
What's the uh oldest andyoungest you've dated in
comparison to your age?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
um.
The youngest I've dated, Iwould say, is my age.
Oldest I've dated I'm 20 rightnow.
The oldest I've dated probablylike 25.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
That surprises me.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You think I like older men.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I used to have a company in the modeling industry
for a decade.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I sold it a couple of years ago.
Is it like real sorry, realmodeling, or like atmosphere
modeling?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
So we ran events for the modeling agencies.
Okay, we started off on.
I have a comment about that.
We started off with the fashionmodeling agencies.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
And then about five, six years in, we pivoted a lot
more toward the more influencerscene, because there's just so
much more money in it yeah.
And one thing we would noticewe used to call it hot guy phase
, where the new models coming in19, 20 always be dating the
young hot guy fucking tiktok,hair dangly, earring like these
guys were like clones of eachother right but the rip baggy

(15:33):
jeans, like the whole thing,like literally, I was like wait,
is that her girlfriend?
or her like literally couldn'tremember shit right.
But the most attractive girlsin the in the agencies when they
were 21, 22, 23, they'd alwaysbe dating some like normal
looking dude, like maybe dad bod, like.
If you put on a brown shirt andlike dropped off your UPS

(15:53):
package like, you wouldn't besurprised.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, Like, oh makes sense.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But it would always be someone extremely successful,
extremely established,charismatic and typically 10, 15
years older established,charismatic and typically 10, 15
years older.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Those 23 year old, I think they're the smart ones
because I feel like they'velived enough life where they
know okay, I need to settle downsoon, I need to be taken care
of.
They're like 23.
They've never worked a real job.
Probably they make all theirincome from being hot and living
in LA.
They've never actually had tolike pay for their rolling loud
ticket you know what I mean.
Like they've had their wholelife with things handed to them.
And as a woman, as you get olderand you're not settled down and
you're not financially takencare of, I feel like you almost

(16:29):
start to worry and you are goingto do what you have to do to be
financially taken care of.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, I think too there's something that happens,
cause I I was talking to one ofthe girls and she said, yeah,
like young hot guys, after awhile they just kind of get
boring.
And she one of the girls andshe said, yeah, like young hot
guys, after a while they justkind of get boring and she's
like oh, it's another hot guy,but like they're all broke and
like a lot of them are like notthat intelligent.
Yeah, like if you find onethat's hot and intelligent, it's
like a unicorn.
You know what I mean.
It's like one of those things,um, and I think a lot of them

(16:56):
just get bored and they're likeyou want to move on to something
else it makes sense, especiallyhere.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I feel like the young hot guys.
They don't really make anymoney, especially the ones on
TikTok and stuff, and a lot ofthem are LA homeless.
I don't know, have you heard ofthe term?
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I've met plenty of people, yeah, who have told me
you want to hear a funny story.
Let me hear it so we had aparty at the house one time and
I'm talking to this girl and I'mlike, yeah, and she's like, oh,

(17:30):
so your roommate's with mikeI'm like who the fuck is mike?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
she's like that guy.
He just said that he lives hereI'm like the fuck.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
You've never seen him before.
He's just some random dude inmy house.
I'm like you live here.
The fuck are you talking.
He's like opening the fridge tograb her drinks I hear so many
stories about like guys, like oh, I live here, like, oh, I'm
like this artist manager.
And then, like you, do onegoogle search and it's like
you're not drake's manager yeah,the fuck are you talking?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
you're not even on the team, babe.
Yeah, you're not.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, but girls like believe it.
I don't know how it's like whenI have you seen the tinder
swindler?
The?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
no, I haven't the the oh, flicks thing where he
tricks all these girls to have aplace to sleep at night, right
or no?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
no, he had him sending the money, like taking
out loans, and like please, babe, I need money.
Oh, wow.
And and I remember before Iwatched it everybody was like I
can't believe these girls arefalling for this.
And then I watched and I waslike I've seen girls fall for
this shit over and over I don'tknow how but like it's it's and
it sucks because they're alwayslike gorgeous and like nice

(18:21):
pretty girls they're.
They're just like dumb,unfortunately, yeah, I mean it's
just the reality of it's toughto be hardworking and
intelligent and figure out lifewhen you've been handed
everything and typically ifyou're an attractive girl,

(18:42):
you've been handed anything.
So unless you had really goodparents, you have some kind of
drive within you.
A lot of girls just like don'teven know how to like like.
I dated this one girl Like shehad a parking ticket from like a
year ago.
She doesn't know how to pay itoff.
I was like why aren't youpaying this Like?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
it's not like you can't like afford it, she's like
I just don't know Like whatwebsite.
Do it straight to my mom.
I sell her the 73 bucks and I'mlike, please take care of this
like, and she does it.
Thank god, but I'm guilty ofthat one too.
It's just like little things wedon't know how to do.
I don't know yeah, yeah samewith like toll roads.
I call my dad.
I'm like, hey dad, like I justwent through the toll road, can
you take care of it?
it's like three bugs you know,like they usually do it I mean

(19:22):
it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So before I moved to la, where are you from, by the
way?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
wisconsin, oh wow, have you been?
I haven't it's not on my listman she's she said I was about
to say are you a packer fan?
I?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
mean, yeah, but I'm not too.
Uh, why, what are you?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
a niners fan, I don't want to talk about the super
bowl.
We don't have to.
Let's just skip over it um.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
What was I talking about?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm sorry, I totally interrupted you.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
You're all good.
Oh, I did want to get back tothe real model thing.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
The atmosphere modeling Interesting topic.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
So I've dated girls who were like in the fashion
modeling industry.
I've also dated girls who wereInstagram models.
Slash a couple like OnlyFansgirls, right?
So I've also dated girls whowere Instagram models slash a
couple like.
Onlyfans girls, right.
So I've seen kind of both sidesof it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Who's bitchier?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
it's different.
So fashion models, typically,what I found okay is is, at the
start, if they, they're kind oflike more standoffish and and
with the only fans, girls werelike fun party, let's take shots
right.
And you're like, oh my god,like this is so fun, we're all
friends, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, but the fashion modelsare way more standoffish.
Actually, one time I starteddating this girl and one of my

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friends was like oh, who's thisnew girl you've been seeing?
So I like show their instagram.
And he's like oh, I know thisgirl.
Fuck that girl.
I'm like what do you mean?
She's like yeah, she's like ahuge bitch.
I'm like dude, this girl's likethe biggest sweetheart I've
ever met.
Like what are you talking about?
And then I didn't realize ituntil one night we went out for
her friend's birthday and we'reat like Warwick or some shit.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Warwick Wednesday yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
And this guy comes up and I see her like pretty, like
brutally reject him, like, oh,thanks, back to her right, and
I'm like, oh, I get it Likeshe's a bitch to guys she
doesn't like, but also like whatdo you want her to do?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
like, what do you want that on for?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
a half hour and like have this fucking loser, have
this conversation, then hethinks he has a shot, then you
have to reject him.
Yeah, he follows you aroundlike a puppy, like what do you
want her to do?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
but like as a guy, wouldn't you want your girl to
be like bitchy, in a sense, likethrow her back on.
Like you know what I mean.
Like why would I want to talkto another guy?
That's not the man I'm tryingto pursue.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, no one of I got a huge fight with this
girl I was dating a while backbecause she would always like
kind of flirt with everybody.
She's like zach no, I wouldnever cheat on you.
I'm like I believe you, butit's a bad look for me.
Yeah, it makes it look likebecause I know what guys are
thinking in their head.
Oh yeah, she's that girl, saxgirl.
But I could totally fuck her ifI wanted to that, and I don't
want them to think that shit 100.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
My ego is too big for that.
It's just embarrassing too.
It is embarrassing, and in acity where everyone knows
everyone, you want your girl tobe untouchable, like you know
like especially if you'repopping out with her.
You're going to events with her, not even necessarily posting
her, but like you know, like thepublic sees you guys together,
you don't, you don't want like agirl, that's flirting with
everyone, just a.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's just a bad look.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
But at the same time you don't want this like rude
type of girl that's mean toeveryone, like if you're
introducing her to your friendsyou wouldn't want her to just
like hi, like you know you.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah there's definitely a balance.
There's like yeah, and there'sdefinitely like a mix of like
okay, well, we're all friendsnow.
You know, this is my closefriend I know he's not gonna
fuck.
Well, try to fuck me over.
Okay, like you can be more likeyou'd be surprised trust me,
I've.
I've gone through enoughfriends where now I have my
friends and I'm 32, so I've beenno way.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I was thinking like 26 the hat fools people.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Um, so now I have kind of like my loyal guys and
I'm like dude, we've gonethrough there's so many times.
They could have like tried tohit on my girl and like didn't
and like same vice versa.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So we're kind of like good now I feel like, yeah, as
long as you know, like with myex there's even been times where
, like I fell asleep in a bedwith his best friend but like no
one thought anything of itwasn't like a weird thing, like
I was really drunk, we were athis house, my boyfriend was like
downstairs, like hanging outwith other people, like it
wasn't like, um, like a weirdtaboo thing, like you know it

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was a pretty big bed too in mydefense.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, it is what it is, you know, as long as
you have trust and stuffexactly yeah, trust is huge um,
but but for the, the only fans,versus fashion model.
So so why do you consider thefashion models the real models
and then the other girls the notreal models?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
not necessarily that they're not real models.
Well, I was thinking atmospheremodels which are more of like
live models, that kind of getpaid to like go out.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh, I see, go to the club.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, like go to clubs, go to dinner, things like
that.
Um, I think those aren't realmodels.
I would say only fans, girlsand instagram models.
They are models, but to acertain extent when I think
model, I'm thinking like a facethat you don't see on everybody
else, like if you.
If I open up instagram, youhave like 2.3 million and you
have the link tree in your bioand all your pictures with like

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your ass out.
You know those likeprofessionally taking pictures
and like their asses are out andthey're like at like a really
nice hollywood hills house.
Everything's all stage I don'tsee that as real modeling
interesting but like you knowsomeone that does like a real
runway show or like goes to NewYork fashion week, like that's
someone I can categorize as amodel.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
So to me, the purpose of modeling is to sell clothes,
right?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
So to me, if there's a girl who's like an influencer,
has like 2 million followers,and like, maybe you don't think
she's pretty, maybe you're like,oh, her face is ugly, or
whatever you're, not your type.
but there's two million peoplewho do think that she's pretty
and if she posts, hey, I'mselling this swimsuit, and it
sells out instantly, versus likea fashion model who maybe is

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signed by like this big agencybut gigs gets like one gig a
month, which is like prettytypical for like most fashion
models out here.
And yeah, she's signed but shecan't sell any clothes Like what
makes her the real model Justbecause some dude in Ford models
at the top of the skyscraper islike, yep, this one is the real
one.
That one's not the real one.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I think it's more of like the Instagram model.
She's not actually selling thebikini, she's more selling her
body.
Like the Instagram model, she'snot actually selling the bikini
, she's more selling her body.
And once you're in that realmthat you're selling your body
and how you look and your face,rather than like the article of
clothing on you, you'recategorized in a sex worker and
there's nothing wrong with thatat all.
But at that point, if you havean OnlyFans, you are a sex
worker, whether you like it ornot.
I mean, there is levels to it,but you do work in the sex world

(25:33):
.
You are a sex worker.
You are one step down fromdoing porn.
And again, no judgment.
Like girls have to hustle, likeI'm all for it, but that's just
.
I feel like you're more sellingyour body than you are selling
a bikini.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, so I can understand the argument if it's
like an OnlyFans girl becauseit's like, yeah, the purpose of
modeling is to sell clothes.
You're not selling clothes,you're getting guys to sign up
for your OnlyFans.
It's different.
But, I do think if you're amodel on Instagram and you are
selling clothes, regardless ofhow you sell them.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You're an influencer.
You're not a model.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, but why not Like, would you say, a musician's not
a model if he's not signed, buthe has a million followers,
everybody loves him.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
No, he's an artist.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
You wouldn't consider him a musician.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Like musician, I would.
He's a musician, he's an artistyeah, same thing but but he's
still like creating mute, likehe's creating music, creating
something he loves, something hewants to like present himself
in.
But like, again, an instagrammodel.
She's just selling that bikinibecause she's gonna get a cut of
it, because that brand ispaying her to post it and I
don't know.
I just don't see her as like areal life model.
Interesting, I don't know.
I feel like a lot of myinstagram model friends are
gonna come at me for this onebecause I I always felt, because

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I've dated both sides, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So it's interesting I have like friends that are like
the fashion models and myfriends were the only fans
models, slash instagram modelsand I.
I mixed them one time and theylike fucking hated each other.
It was like oil and water.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I will never mix them oh, they don't like each other
yeah, it's like a very like.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's like the instagram models are like upset
because they feel like the.
The fashion models have thisair of like.
We're better than you.
We're the real models.
You guys are not the realmodels.
We're up here, you're not yeahright.
And then the fashion models arekind of jealous because they're
like we're're broke as fuck.
You guys are all making a hellof money.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so they kind of .

Speaker 1 (27:17):
so that's why they kind of put this arrow we're
better than you, because we'rethe real models, because they
feel jealous.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Whole time.
They're like making way less.
So they're like, okay, it'slike the only thing to make them
feel better.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
It's like we're better than you.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, make way more than like a real life model but
at the same time like aninstagram model, like they can
photoshop, they have things thatlike, so can a real model I
mean, yeah, but you don't thinkthose pictures are edited but,
when you go on a runway.
it's like it's real life.
It's like your body looks, howyour body looks, like you can't

(27:48):
eat that day.
You have to like train, likeyou know, and I've heard, I've
seen real models go and theydon't even know what city
they're in.
Sometimes they're so sleepdeprived, they haven't eaten,
they are mentally, bodyexhausted and, on the other hand
, you have your Instagram modeland they're waking up at 3 pm.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
They're door dashing their community goods.
I've seen some fashion modelswake up 3 pm.
They have a shoot at 3.30.
They show up two hours late.
I've seen the same thing onboth sides okay, fair, fair yeah
but it's, it's interesting.
It's interesting.
Have you ever been, uh, felt atemptation to do like the only
fans of sugar daddy thing,anything like that?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
um, I've always wanted a sugar daddy and I've
had guys on instagram like dm meand be like let me pay for your
dinner, let me send you athousand, and of course it's
free money.
I'm like straight to give themmy cash up.
I'm like, of course, but like,as far as being in like an
actual arrangement, I've yet tofind kind of like the right guy
that wants to pay me enough forlike what it's worth.
I do a lot.
I do dabble in like modelatmosphere modeling, so like

(28:47):
I'll get paid to go to the clubor I'll get paid to go to like a
nice dinner and it's actuallyreally fun, like I'm getting
paid to do something I would donormally, so I mean you make the
best of it.
You're sitting there, drinking,eating great, having a blast
yeah, I used to have.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I used to kind of be a promoter for like six months
oh yeah, it was, I hated it.
I loved it and I hated it, butit was.
It burnt me out really fast.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I was like I don't know how promoters do it in la,
because they will set out likeon their story, like their week
schedule, like monday, tuesday.
Oh it's crazy, how do they?
I?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
was doing three nights a week because I was like
just starting out this was likeback in my 20s.
I was like, dude, this is thelife, blah, blah, blah, and like
we had a model house andeverything and it was like.
It was like like, don't get mewrong, I got laid a lot like
promoters.
I think it laid more thanprofessional athletes, more than
like a lot of like musiciansand stuff like, just because the

(29:37):
sheer quantity of going outseven nights a week that's true
also.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
The girls are blast out of their mind and the ratio
is like one to eight, and I feellike one of the girls is like
all right, I'll take one for theteam.
That's how it really.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's not even taking one from the team.
It's just a standpoint of likejust numbers game.
You got 12 girls.
They're all like drinking.
If any one of those girls islike, oh man, I'm like really
horny tonight, Like I want a guy, You're like the safe one.
She's met you three, four times.
Her friends know you.
You got like the jealousy goingon sometimes.
But, honestly, promoting taughtme so much about like human

(30:13):
behavior More so than anything.
But honestly promoting taughtme so much about like human
behavior more so than anything.
So, for example, I can't tellyou how many times I would like
meet a girl Right and I'd belike just trying to talk to her
literally just because I'm likeyou came out tonight.
I need you to keep coming outbecause I need girls.
Yeah, At the beginning you'rekind of struggling.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
You're being like nice.
It's like we can go to a dinner.
We can do a car dinner,anything you want best friend.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm like I will be your gay best friend.
We can go shopping together,whatever the fuck you know, and
she'd be very much blowing meoff, not giving the time of the
day okay fair game right.
And then, half an hour later,some other girl's throwing
herself at me and all of asudden girl number one and I'm
like you wanted nothing to dowith me 20 minutes ago.
Now you're all over me and it'sjust interesting, and I don't

(30:57):
even blame girls for that.
I think it's natural humanbehavior.
I think it's you want what youcan't have the scarcity aspect.
I think that's kind of what itis.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's always humans wanting what they can't have.
Yeah yeah, it's almost like acheat obsessed with you.
But you know he answers yourtext, texts you on a Friday
night Like what are you doingtonight?
As long as you don't give it upto him and you don't give him
sex, he's going to keep wantingyou until he has it.
And that's kind of my cheatcode.

(31:26):
That's kind of what I tellgirls younger than me.
I'm like don't have sex yet.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Like don't do than you think?
You are wait, tell me why I'mwrong.
Okay, so girls think, oh, if Imake a guy wait for sex, yeah,
then it's gonna make him like memore, because like I made him
wait and then like he's investedmore, whatever yeah you're
right that you will find moreguys who want to actually date
you and want something serious,but it's not for that reason.
It's because you're weeding outthe guys who just want you for
sex.
Okay, because if there's like,let's say, there's like three
guys, right, but you're makingthem all wait three, four or

(31:58):
five dates.
If a guy just wants you for sexand it's already the third date
and you're still saying no, atsome point he's doing risk
reward and he's like fuck, Igotta take her on another date
and I still might not get laid.
Okay, fuck this, I'm gonna seesome other girl.
That's fair but a guy who's likeseeing the long term and he's
like, okay, I actually want todate this girl, then he's gonna
wait to the fourth, fifth date,maybe because he's waiting for,

(32:19):
for the long term.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
He actually wants to date you, the first guy, the one
that we're talking about, thefirst guy yeah if they do wait
and they do end up, like youknow, on the third day actually
having sex with you.
Sometimes it's like a challengewith them and they know, as
soon as they do have sex withyou, no matter how great the sex
might be, they don't wantanything to do with you anymore.
They just want to prove to youand to themselves yeah, I fucked
you.
No, I'm not going to talk toyou again it's the conquest

(32:41):
exactly, yeah I.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I got an argument with my friend about this.
Um, I was like because she waslike oh yeah, guys, just they
want sex so much because they'rejust like super horny, blah,
blah, blah.
I'm like it's not about the sex, it's about saying it's.
It's like this internal needfor validation to say I'm good
enough, she likes me.
Okay, I had sex with her.
Okay, now I don't need her.

(33:03):
I know she likes me.
On to the next one.
I gotta make sure she likes me.
I can tell my friends dude, Ihooked up with this hot chick
last night, bro you, it'sliterally the need for
validation, because if it wasn't, guys would just get hookers.
That's very true.
It's way more work to fuckinggo out uber ride.
Maybe you're buying drinks,maybe you're buying drinks for
girls.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
You're doing all this shit, staying up till 4 am and
maybe still don't even get laid,versus just like pay a girl to
have sex I always wonder thatabout guys like why don't if
you're like so horny, like youwant to have and I've had like
guys in my bed and guys I'vereally liked and you know they
liked me back and you know likethey're just like not getting
like, oh, not tonight.
You know, really not trying togive it up, I'm just like if you
wanted sex so bad like whydidn't you just call an escort?

(33:45):
Like there's tons of websitesin la like it's not hard to find
one.
They're gorgeous too, don't getme wrong, they're really pretty
.
Some of these escorts in LABangin' body.
Well, you pay them like what?
Like $800,000 for the night.
Get to have the best night ofyour whole porn star experience.
And then you never have to texther back, because she doesn't
really want that text backanyway.
You know, and I always wonderedthat, Like why don't guys just

(34:06):
do that?
But I guess it's for thevalidation.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, because you can't tell your friends.
The next, let me ask yousomething.
I'm curious.
You seem to have a dominantpersonality.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
When you date, do you like guys that are extremely
masculine to make you feel inyour feminine energy, or do you
like the opposite, like I wantto wear the pants and I like the
little pretty boys?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
No, it's the first option.
Definitely I love when a guy ismore dominant than me and I
have been told I come offdominant and it's actually
something I'm working on likeespecially when I'm around a guy
, I like I try to be veryfeminine, very girly, just go
with the flow, like you know.
Like the uber's coming, we'regonna like just kind of let them
plan.
But guys they can't reallymatch up with me, like usually.
Like I feel like I almost scarethem away or I'm too much, or

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they just can't be, I don't'tknow.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I just I like that.
I'm dominant.
This new breed of dudes isbuilt different.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Dude.
They're like females, dude,they're just a bunch of
girlfriends they have like a bedthat touches two walls.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
It's like did you never like figure out what a
nightstand is Like?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
why Like how?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
are you not figuring this shit out?
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I had a guy on Valentine's Day very recently
send me flowers and then heasked me like, oh, like, what
are you going to get me?
And it was like we weren't in arelationship.
We barely just met a weekbefore he was.
He doesn't even live in LA, sohe like sent them from another
city you know the bare minimumto my house.
He door dashed them too, likeit wasn't even something like

(35:35):
pre-planned.
And like an hour later he waslike well, what are what do you
know?
It was very weird, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Interesting.
I only use flowers for onereason.
What is it?
I have this trick where I cantell using flowers as a proxy if
the girl I'm seeing is alsoseeing other guys.
So I can kind of know where Istand what do you?
Mean so I'll go to like one ofthese flower like delivery sites
or whatever, and I'll send herflowers, but instead of my name

(36:02):
I just put from like smiley face, right, and so the next day
you're very toxic.
I just know what I'm doing okayit's the next day if she calls
me.
Oh my god, thanks for theflowers.
Okay, she's only seeing me.
If she doesn't, it means shedoesn't know who they're, where
the flowers are from, so shecan't come and talk to me about
it, you're sick this is me.

(36:22):
I have, look, look.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I wish I could just be a good little simp and just
run around with my simp friendsriding our bird scooters around
town, and girls like me for noreason, but I have, like I'm in
la, like it's like there's noall's fair in love and war and
fucking date in la, you knowlike it is what it is if I feel
like if I got flowers with nonames, I I feel like the first
thing I would do not because Italk to 100 men or anything, I

(36:45):
just wouldn't really know I feellike I would just go post it on
Instagram and be like who sentme these flowers?
Like fess up.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh, that's even worse , that's worse.
That'd be like then it's likepublic.
I don't want to say this?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
No, let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
The way to beat the game as a girl is you would text
me hey, did you get me flowers?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And then if I'm like, oh, well, that's so awkward,
because what if you didn't?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Because then she could be like oh it must be like
some stalker, my secret mire,or some guy on Instagram, I
don't know how it, so it doesn'treally matter if I mean if you
have a present dad, I say Iwould just say, oh, it must have
been my dad my dad's true.
Yeah, I could say that, yeah,yeah, yeah, no, I've never got.
The last time I got a girlflowers and like the actual

(37:33):
sense of flowers, she blocked meon all platforms and never
talked to me again she wasturned off by the flowers well,
not exactly so.
Okay, back in my villain era Iwas seeing this girl.
I told her very honestly hey, Idon't want anything exclusive.
And she's like okay, back westart hanging out three, four
times a week.
She's like sleeping over.
It kind of feels like we're ina relationship okay.

(37:53):
And she's like zach, you neverdo anything nice for me, you
never take me on dates, younever buy me flowers, and I'm
like this girl's been like sweetto me, like let me do something
nice for her, right?
So I go on this like sketchyflower delivery site and what do
you mean?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
sketchy flower, like what does that even mean?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Like the website looks like it's like from like
fucking 1995 or something.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
It's like one of those, it's like a myspace type
of format.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay and I'm about
to hit, all of a sudden it'slike ping and this little pop-up
comes and it's like, waitbefore you check out, buy one,
get one half off.
So I'm like, you know, my momalways told me like, be fiscally
responsible, like don't waste adiscount.
So then I got two flowers, sentone to the girl, sent one to
this other girl, right?

(38:37):
So in my mind, girls likeflowers.
I'm so in my mind, girls likeflowers.
I'm spreading more joy andthroughout the universe.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, I consider myself somewhat of a
philanthropist at this point.
But what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
sorry, like uh someone who gives the charity
you know, okay, okay, very goodperson you're, god, yeah, yeah,
yeah, pretty much so then thenext day I'm driving with the
girl and I just got this new bmwand it has this stupid fucking
feature where it bluetooth.
When you bluetooth your musicto the car, your entire phone
bluetooth to this little screenon the car like carplay or

(39:09):
something.
Yeah, carplay apple play,carplay, something like that.
So all of a sudden it's likeping new message from girl
number two.
Thank you for the flowers andno it doesn't say.
It doesn't say the message.
It says new message from andher name, yeah, and.
And then girl number one's likewho the fuck is this bitch?
Blah, blah, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Wait, were you dating girl number one or you guys
were just like seeing each other?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
we were just seeing each other, okay yeah.
And then I'm like you know,obviously I'm like trying to
gaslight her and, like you know,using all my but you know,
girls like you're like fuckingSherlock Holmes, like finding
the clues, cia agents, yeah,literally.
So that night I wake up at 4 amand she's like what the fuck?

(39:50):
And she's like towering over melike Shrek on the bed and she's
like you fuck this girl.
You bought her flowers too.
I'm like what the fuck?
And she had hacked into myphone and found my text messages
Wait how did she hack?
into it.
So one time, like she wanted toplay music, I didn't feel like
figuring out how to bluetoothher phone to the car.
It's like super fuckingannoying.
So like, oh, here's my passwordit was my fault.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
It was a horrible decision.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
She just like remembered it yeah, she
remembered it okay, yeah, I meanI have a very easy password.
To be fair.
Okay, one, two, three, four foranyone that's curious.
No, I got to change it, fuckAnother way to hack in is like
live photos.
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Like I would grab my ex's phone in the middle of the
night and I would take my phoneand I would get a live photo of
him and I would put them infront of each other like this no
way.
And you could face ID with alive photo, as long as the photo
is like moving a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
That works.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, but don't tell me that's crazy, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It works yeah.
Have you ever done it?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I have.
It was like three in themorning.
It was like the most toxic.
It was like the end of therelationship, like we knew it
didn't work.
We weren't even together.
We were just sleeping and Ihaven't seen this guy's phone
for like a month prior.
It was either in his roommate'sroom, like in the fridge, like

(41:07):
I would never see his phone,yeah, and he would sleep like
with it under him.
And I'm asleep and I feel aphone and I'm like, oh my god,
is this his?
And I go back to reach my phoneand I can feel my phone.
So I'm like, okay, this must behis.
I slip his phone out from underhim, I run, I grab my car keys,
I go to like the bathroom atfirst because I didn't want to
actually leave the house yet andI try to get in and I hear him
waking up and I bolt and I mycar keys are actually his car
keys.
So I have his car keys, I boltfor like the front door, I have
both of our phones, and thenit's like four in the morning
and I get in his car and I justdrive to like the nearest park.

(41:29):
It's like two years ago.
I drive to the nearest park andI just and he had, I have both
the phones, so he has no way tocontact me and I'm just sitting
there going through everythingand then I can't.
I eventually came back to thehouse and he was like you need
to leave and I was like no, no,and still after finding
everything on his phone, like Icouldn't get it in me to
actually leave, and I stillspent the night and I was like

(41:50):
no, babe, like I love you, andit was.
It was really pathetic.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But but did you find that he was cheating on you?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
yeah, I mean he wasn't cheating because we
weren't together, but he waslike talking to girls on
snapchat stuff and they were allhideous.
I was just like what the fuck?
Like I don't know Girls alwayssay that.
They were.
No, I swear they were.
Every ex.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I've ever like.
She's always like the new girlI'm dating oh, she's ugly and
I'm like wait, that's what thelast girl said about you and you
said about this girl.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And then she says about this girl.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
It depends, it depends.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay, Most.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I would get blocked a lot in my past, but I don't
really get blocked that muchanymore.
I'm a lot more.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Are you a blocker yourself?
Hell, no, really.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Blocking.
Here's what people don'trealize.
The second you block somebodyyou lost the breakup because it
shows that you're, like still soin love with them.
You had to block them becauseyou just can't handle like
seeing them on Instagram.
Can't handle like seeing themon instagram.
You're so in love with them.
If you don't blog, it's like Idon't give a fuck, I'm gonna
fuck this girl.
Oh hey, like like your picture.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Like sometimes I would still like their pictures
on instagram, like you know, andlike I do that with girls that
think they have beef with mebecause I don't have any
problems with anyone I'll likepurposely like their pictures.
So they know yeah so they knowthat the beef is just them.
Like you're fighting withyourself exactly, exactly's good
.
The real cheat code is keepingthem on Instagram, not blocking
them, but muting their stories,so they'll never see you in

(43:05):
their viewers, you'll never seetheir posts, but you still
follow them.
So they're over there thinkinglike, wait, why isn't he looking
at my stories?
Or why isn't she looking at mystories and you check like
you're like, nope, stillfollowing me.
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
They so busy.
But I think I do that to a fewpeople yeah, yeah, yeah people
say the the best revenge issuccess.
Very true, no, not true at alloh the best success is getting
someone that's hotter than them.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
That is way better, I mean I I feel like the best
revenge is just like beingbetter than you were when you
were with them, like all ofthose flaws that you had when
you were with them, like if yourex was like, oh, you're too fat
, you're too crazy like losingweight, not being crazy like you
know things like that, andthey're just like every reason
they gave you to why they don'tlike you.
Just fix those reasons you'relike on your instagram story.

(43:53):
I no longer steal people's carsin the middle of the night and
go through their phone crazy.
Just so you guys know he's likefuck, she changed she finally
changed he told me he would tellme he was like I can't take you
serious until you're onmedication, until you're like to
go into therapy and stuff.
So I posted a picture of likezoom.
It was total fake zoom and Iwas like first therapy, like I
was trying to do those things.

(44:14):
It didn't work, we're not backtogether.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
that's hilarious, I know.
Have you seen those tiktokswhere, uh, it be like how to
like have a Valentine's Day dateand it'll be some dude, and he
like paints one of his nailslike a girl color and then he
like takes these photos wherehe's like holding hands and it
like looks like he's on a datewith?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
a girl.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Or he'll put like a purse on the thing and like a
glass of wine, like two glassesof wine.
That's how you make everyonewant.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
There was like a guy and I didn't really like him and
he was super interested in meand he posted on Valentine's Day
and whatever girl he wasfucking did like a whole like
breakfast and bed for him, likehad Balenciaga gifts for him,
she did it for him, she did itfor him and he posted it.

(44:58):
And the only reason I saw thepost- because he removed me on
Instagram was because someonescreenshotted the story and
reposted on their story and waslike, oh, this is the best one
I've seen.
So I saw that and I was like,wait, and you know, the bed was
familiar, the room was familiarand I was like there's no way
Made me want him so much more.
Yeah, like seeing another girldo that for him.
I was like, wait, I could dothat for you.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
No, that shit is true .
I remember in our high schoolthere was like this nerd kid.
Nobody liked him in terms girls,like he was like a good guy,
whatever, and then for whateverreason, like the star
cheerleader, like dated him forlike a month and then was like
what the fuck am I doing?

(45:30):
Broke up with him and afterthat every hot girl bitches the
rest is nerd.
Like huge nerd.
Like calculus person you knowlike fucking like counts numbers
for fun.
Like this kind of guy you knowlike got all the girls in our
school is so crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
The cheerleader was thinking ahead.
She was like, all right, thisguy's gonna grow up to be rich,
he's you know, he's got all thegirls in our school.
It was so crazy to me.
The cheerleader was thinkingahead.
She was like, all right, thisguy is going to grow up to be
rich, he's going to get a degreein something great.
And then she was like I can'tdo this.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Wow, you went to high school in Wisconsin.
Yeah, super boring, I'mguessing.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, Wisconsin is very people.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
People nice and like genuine and all that stuff.
Yeah, so fucking boring.
I can't help to think with theseven like just the 70s show.
When I think of wisconsin yeah,yeah, literally, it's pretty
accurate it's like everyone inlike a basement smoking weed.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, it's like, what do you want?
Like, literally, I went home.
Um well, I have two storiesabout this.
Uh, the first time I went home,like after I moved to la, which
was a few years after, likecollege and everything- it was
like you came to la for a coupleyears before you visited like
you stayed.
No well, I should say, thefirst time I went home and saw
my friends, okay, family andthey were still going to the

(46:29):
same bowling alley we went to inhigh school.
I'm like y'all are still goingto brown deer lanes like y'all
are like fucking 25 years likeyou guys can go to a normal bar
like a club or something youknow, still trying to get the
same girl from senior year.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
She's like in New York City or something, and now
they're all like slowly gettinguglier and like you're still
trying for this girl.
You're not even cute anymore,like what the fuck that's?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
hilarious, even back in my hometown like and it's
crazy too.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Like when I see their lifestyle, I'm like, like the
last time I went home and saw myfriend a couple years ago and
they're all married, have kids,most of them.
You know what I mean.
And you're like zach, you knowwhen are you gonna have kids?
You're missing out like you'regonna miss the boat.
You're getting too old.
I'm like, trust me in la, likeif you're rich and funny, like
it doesn't matter it never stops, and so later in the

(47:27):
conversation I asked what am Ilike?
what is your best day like?
What do you do all day?
What is like your dream day?
He's like yeah, my wife's momtakes the kids, my wife goes out
with her girlfriends and I justhave poker night with the guys,
have a beer, watch the game.
I'm like I can do that everynight that's your pinnacle
existence in my every day of mylife.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
What the fuck I'm missing out like that sounds
like it would be your mostboring night of the week,
literally.
I mean, it's crazy to me.
I don't know.
Wow, it's.
My favorite thing is like likewhen people that aren't from la
come to LA for the first timeand I'm like not showing them
around necessarily, but they'rejust like this is Melrose, this
is Fairfax, oh my God, rodeo,and it's just so like mind
boggling to me.

(48:10):
I'm just like you know it'severy day.
Or I had a girlfriend visitingand she was just like starstruck
like her phone the flash, and Iwas like, girl, you're gonna
get us kicked out like people.
Don't act like this you're likechill.
I was like dude chill.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing actually no, my, my
guy friends once came fromwisconsin and the first night I
couldn't hang out with them.
I was like busy or something.
And they're like, oh we, oh,we're going to go to this place.
It's called I think it wasNightingale.
I think it was Nightingale.
The worst club and I'm like fivedudes who like wear jeans that
like don't fit you right in,like a flannel shirt.

(48:50):
I'm like.
I told them, like you guysaren't going to get in.
They're like no, we, I'm likeyou're not going to get in.
And then the next night I tookhim to the Abbey but didn't tell
him it was a gay bar and thenhad a In WeHo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh,okay.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
If I'm drunk enough, the Abbey can be a lot of fun.
I love the Abbey.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Okay, yeah, and I make a great fucking gay guy.
I'm fashionable, I like to workout.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I hate pregnancy I like you're very put together
I'm fun, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I just, I just don't like dudes, that's it.
Like I could be the crazy gayguy that like likes chicks.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like I could be that 100.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, um.
Yeah, I've been to abby withsome some of my straight guy
friends and no hate or anything,but they were having more fun
than I was.
They were having more fun thanthe gay guys.
And then I got tired, I had toomany drinks.
I was like can you guys take mehome?
I live close to abby.
They take me home.
I look at their location.
They're back at the abby and Iwas like you guys are having
that much fun.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
It's a fun bar I was.
The vibe is good, the drinksare strong like the music, true,
yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
And the people are cool because they're all gay, so
they're all just like nicepeople.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Like for the most part.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Gay people are always really sweet, but there's
always that one gay guy at theparty and he's good looking,
he's put together, he has, likeyou know, designer on and like
I'm a pretty girl, I know I'mpretty and they just give me
that like you're not that hotbabe, like oh, I hate that
you're like.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
No, tell me, I'm hot.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
No tell me I'm hot.
Yeah, I like like the mid-gayguys and they're like you're so
pretty, you're so hot, you're sosexy.
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Tell me more I, uh, I will say that abby taught me
what it's like to be a girl,what?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
do you mean?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
so I was the first time I went my my friend tricked
me.
She was like, uh, she was likea fashion model or a fashion uh
designer from new york, and shewas like it was like my second
day in la.
She's like, zach, I gotta takeyou out.
I'm going out with eight of mymodels.
It's gonna be fun.
I'm like 24 years old, likeeight models.
You're like fuck yeah I go toher apartment, gosh, you give

(50:54):
her a big hug and I just hearinside the apartment you're like
oh, poppy.
And I was just like what wasthat?
She's like what do you mean?
Those are the models and I likelook, it's like the eight most
flamboyantly dressed gay guyslike glitter and crop tops and
everything and I was like, ohshit, welcome to welcome to la.

(51:15):
But we went to the abbey and Iremember at one point this gay
guy is like oh, let me buy you adrink.
Let me buy you a drink.
I'm me buy you a drink.
I'm like, oh no, no, I'm notgay Like, I'm just here with my
friends here.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, guys, I swear, I'm not
gay, I'm not gay.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
And he's like, he's like, oh, it's all right, and he
buys me a drink anyway, and sowe right and I'm like no, no, I
told you I wasn't gay.
But then he like got mad at mefor like he's like I bought you
a drink and everything.
I'm like I told you I'm notinto you.
Like what do you mean?
And I'm like, yeah, probablygirls.
This happens to all the time.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I feel like a lot of straight guys go to abby and
they're like, oh no, like I'mnot gay.
But then something ends uphappening and that's why guys
that actually are gay think theyhave a chance with straight
guys, because a lot of guys arein denial about their sexuality
and they're like no, I'm not gay, I'm straight.
But you know, by the end of thenight, a couple of drinks, you
know, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Like I know a couple of guys in denial for sure, but
are they actually just in thecloset or are they straight, but
they have gay.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
No, oh, got have gay.
No, oh god, drunken had sexwith a guy.
No, I think my gaydar isamazing.
I think they're actually juststuck in the closet, really,
yeah, but I could be wrong, Idon't know, but I'm pretty
pretty I just like okay, most ofmy female friends.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
If you ask them, hey, have you ever got drunk and
like, made up with your friendat the bar?
Oh, like your girlfriend, right?
Oh, yeah, me and tori got drunklast night.
I've never met a dude like,yeah, man, like I'm straight,
and Tori got drunk last night.
I've never met a dude like,yeah, man, like I'm straight.
But last night I got drunk andlike me and John made out.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Like I've never seen it.
I was just so drunk I've neverseen it before.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Maybe it exists, I don't know.
I've just never seen it.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I just think they know they're gay, but they just
don't come out yet.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
So they're like that never happens, like we had this
friend from college.
That was like so obviously gaylike kind of had like the voice
and like just the way he walkedeverything right and one day he
like sits down with us.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
He's like, guys, I gotta tell you something you
look at your other homies,you're like yo, you owe me 20
bucks.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Literally he's like I'm gay, I'm like yeah, no shit,
he's like you guys knew.
Like bro, it's written all overyour face.
Are you kidding me?
It's like so obvious you knowthat's a funny one, yeah yeah,
so how's um, um in terms of Iknow you said relationships wise
, you like more, like kind ofmasculine yeah type, do you find
the chivalry?

(53:38):
Is that part of that equation?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
that's a great question.
It is, but to a certain extentbecause once you overdo it, I no
longer want you.
Like you know, as far as likeopening my doors, it's a must,
but like there's certain stuffthat it's like, okay, that's too
sweet, like that's too nice,like if you're constantly
telling me, like I think you'reso pretty, I think you're so
pretty, like I got it, you thinkI'm pretty, like you don't need
to to remind me three times ofthe hour.

(54:01):
And there's certain things thatare just like it's so sweet and
so nice it almost comes off asfeminine.
Yeah, I mean, I feel likethere's a pretty fine line
between being masculine anddominant and still being polite
and chivalrous and then being abitch and just letting your girl
run shit.
And in my relationships I neverwant to be the one that's like

(54:24):
okay, let's go here at this time.
Like I never want to have to bethe one that's like running
stuff or like you know, I don'tknow.
I feel like guys.
I've met some pretty likestraight guys, but they're just
so nice where I'm turned off andI'm just like, oh, I actually
don't like this.
And if I know you want me morethan I want you, I no longer
want you because now it's nolonger fun for me, it's not a
challenge.
I'm like oh, he wants me, great, like so do like 20 other guys

(54:47):
in my dms.
You know like I always want tofeel like I want my man more
than he wants me.
With that being said, I don'twant like an asshole dude, like
someone that acts like theydon't want me, but I do want
that feeling of like I want myman yeah more than he wants me.
Like you know he shouldn't everfeel like he needs me and like
that plays into, like you'veseen that thing on tiktok, like
the line you know the guy hedoes, like the line test on,

(55:10):
like celebrities and like wholeans into who and like who's
more dumb interesting I've neverseen that you've never seen
this I feel I, just by youexpressing it, I I understand,
like my brain understands.
I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Oh yeah, he's into her.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You can tell by the picture exactly because of the
way that they lean into eachother.
Like I never want to bestanding straight with a man
leaning into me, like I wouldalways love to like be the one
leaning into my man, the onethat, like I don't know I should
be depending on him more thanhe's depending on me because,
like once, he's depending on memore, that's too much for me to
handle.
I'm only 20 years old.
Like I can, I don't need a sonright now.
You know that's how I feel.

(55:42):
I never want to feel like Ihave a son, but I'd rather feel
like I have a dad.
Yeah, daddy.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I appreciate your honesty because most girls no,
we love the nice guy, we lovethe simps, like I'm like really
all assholes.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, like you love this and like I have eyeballs, I
can like see the universe.
You know we say it becausewe're like you're trying to
manifest like a great man in ourlife but like I feel like at
the end of the day, most girlsthey don't want that.
You know you have there's acouple like that.
Break the break the mold, yeahyeah, break the trend or
whatever, but I think for themost part, like a really pretty
girl does want a guy that's likemore dominant than her like,
you have to have boundaries.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
You have to stand up for yourself.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You can't be a pushover, you have to have a
spine, exactly like if I cantell him, like, what to do, want
to do it, how to do it, likeyou're not the man for me like
it should more be the other wayaround makes sense.
Tell me what to do, tell mewhere to go, like you know all
right chalice.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
We are about out of time.
I got a couple uh rapid firequestions for you let's do it
favorite food oh, pasta, sushi,anything nice anything.
Have you been to, jones?
Jones, I haven't oh it's thebest pasta in la.
It's like three blocks fromhere.
It's like on the corner, is it?
Like up, upscale yeah yeah, myfavorite restaurant in la is
catch steak oh yeah, you like itbetter than the normal catch.

(56:57):
I hate the normal catch.
It's like.
It's like pretty much the samemenu.
It's no, it is not, not at all.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
No even like the ambiance is so like tiktok
influencer, but like catch steak, it's like upscale classy menus
on point you probably like likecraigs, like that kind of vibe.
I hate craigs it reminds me ofa dive bar.
The food's okay but it's not myfavorite.
I love like steak 48, anythinglike upscale, something I can
dress nice for.
There's a new place in Beverlycalled Funk.

(57:23):
Pretty hard to get a table, butif you do, let me know I'll be
there with my girls.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Sounds good, Favorite next travel destination you
haven't been to.
You want to go to.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Ooh, bali, indonesia.
Oh, you haven't been to Bali, Ihaven't.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I want to go, literally like the flight sucks,
the flight sucks, but onceyou're there, it's like.
Everything's like dirt cheap,everything's like it's like
relaxing, like you get thesevillas they have.
Like cooked breakfast for you,for you give you massages.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's great or tokyo, because I'm scared of bali,
belly belly.
What's belly belly, bali belly?
It's like when you go there andget sick like you can't have
ice there.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, you can't have like their water, like certain
things, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,uh favorite first date spot or
activity oh, I would hate to goto the movies.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I would hate to go to like a dinner on the first date
.
Yeah, movies suck, dinner sucks.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
You spend two hours with them and then afterwards
it's like so did you like it.
It's so fucking lame, it's sofucking cheeseball so weird,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
And then they're like trying to touch your thigh
mid-movie um, I would saysurprisingly like somewhere with
his friends and somewhere witha group of people where he can
kind of show me his lifestyleand stuff, even like something
interactive like Topgolf.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
mean Like something where it's like a group of
people.
It's not super awkward.
I'm not like.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Like one-on-one interview style.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Exactly, I hate that Like let's like, let me meet
your friends and theirgirlfriends and you know, like
let's make it a thing.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, all right.
Where can people find you ifthey want to connect any shout
outs to Instagram or anythingyou want to?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
give they can't.
You can find me on Instagram ifyou'd like.
It's Shalise Nurys.
It's about it.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Awesome, we'll tag you in the post.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Well, this has been fun.
We'll have to do round twosometime, definitely, it was a
pleasure.
Thank you for having me Allright.
Thanks for listening.