April 29, 2025 • 63 mins
Maria Win takes us behind the curtain of Vietnamese coffee shops in Orange County, where bikini-clad baristas serve drinks and provide entertainment in an industry that exists in a legal gray area. She shares her journey as a 21-year-old navigating this lucrative but emotionally taxing world while planning her exit strategy.
• Vietnamese coffee shops operate like strip clubs where workers wear lingerie and perform lap dances while serving coffee
• Workers can make over $1,000 in a single shift through tips, with some earning comparable amounts to strip club dancers
• The shops exist in a legal gray area, primarily in Vietnamese communities where authorities often allow them to operate
• Maria has been offered $2,000-$5,000 weekly/monthly to be men's sugar babies and $5,000 per session as a dominatrix
• Many workers experience emotional burnout, developing a "dead gone" look in their eyes
• Customers range from Vietnamese and white businessmen to gang members, creating occasional dangerous situations
• Maria uses her position to network with wealthy clients, learning about investing and financial literacy
• Despite posting revealing content online, Maria maintains strict boundaries between work and personal life
• The industry has a clear "expiration date" based on youth and appearance, making exit strategy planning essential
• Competition between workers can create drama, but many form supportive bonds to help each other succeed
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Strip clubs.
You know about the strip clubs,but nobody really knows about
Vietnamese coffee shops.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What were these offers?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Like just to be their sugar baby, like go out with
them.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
But like how much were they offering you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I think I've offered like I've been offered like
$2,000, $5,000 like weekly orlike monthly.
He wanted me to be hisdominatrix.
He was like I will pay you like$5,000 a session to degrade me
and spit on me.
I've seen these girls lose thelight in their eyes.
It's so crazy.
(00:31):
You look at them.
They just kind of look deadgone.
They're just kind of surviving.
They're not really livinganymore.
And I know those eyes becauseI've been through that.
I knew what it was like to justbe surviving and not really
living anymore.
And it's like I know those eyesbecause, like I've been through
that, like I knew what it waslike to just be surviving and
not really living.
One thing like everybody gonnakeep telling you is like, when
you're in this industry, saveyour money right, because girls
(00:54):
they'll blow it on bags, purses,clothes.
You know like I'm, like I'mlooking like in the long run,
because I know my time is goingto expire in this industry, make
your money work for you, don'twork for it.
I'd rather learn what I want tolearn than have to sit there
and be forced to learn what Idon't need to learn for a piece
of paper.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The education system is not particularly made for
entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
If you're trying to do something very specific
engineering, becoming a doctor,becoming a lawyer then the
school system is, you know, theright place for you but aside
from that, anything else, youhave a better chance of learning
those things in real life doingexactly day-to-day work than
going to school for it.
What is your body count?
(01:45):
10 okay welcome to unattainable.
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I am mohamed malay here with anamazing guest of the day maria,
how's it going?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm good.
How are you welcome?
Thank you, um.
Please introduce yourself whereyou're good?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
how are you welcome?
Thank you, um.
Please introduce yourself whereyou're from, how old you are,
what you do, so on and so forthI'm maria win, I'm 21, I just
moved to la from riverside.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was born in san bernardino.
And wait, what did I say?
How old you are yeah, I'm 21and then what you do.
I am a bikini barista.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
A bikini barista?
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So pretty much I work out in Orange County and you
can only really find these inOrange County or up in San Jose,
and we're known as theVietnamese coffee shops, but
we're a little more than just acoffee shop, okay, known as the
vietnamese coffee shops, butwe're a little more than just a
coffee shop, okay.
So, um, I wear a bikini or likelingerie, and then we're like I
(02:52):
want to say we're like onelevel below strippers because,
you know it, it gets fun inthere.
I don't know how much I can say,because I don't know how much
is you could say whatever youwant, but I mean it's fun, um,
so our job is to entertaincustomers, make sure they're
having a good time, bring theirdrinks and then, like we get
tipped.
So it's, it's the tippingindustry, so entertainment,
(03:16):
tipping that whole industry, andwe're open from like 7 am till
11 pm, and then weekends wereopen till midnight.
So we're not open like likeafter hours clubs like that, but
people still come like seven inthe morning and then they get
like lap dances and get coffeebefore work and then they head
(03:37):
on to work and it's a lot ofpeople.
It blows a lot of people'sminds because they don't see
anything like you think la wouldhave them, but they don't,
because it only really existsaround the vietnamese community
because, technically like havinglike two things in one is not
legal.
But because we're in thelocation that we're in um orange
(03:58):
county and it's a predominantlike vietnamese community, they
kind of let it slide becausethat's their like leisure and
entertainment.
So like cops will come in butas long the girls aren't naked
doing dances or like they don'tlike see any like drugs, then
like they'll clear it and thenthey'll go on about their day.
(04:19):
But like I've heard of somethat got raided and like shut
down and like girls have gottenlike ticketed and like fine and
like it's it's like a wholefiasco.
Like I know that some girlsthat like are on like this
registered sex offenders listjust for having their tits out
at work because, it's part ofthe job.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it's not legal what we do of the job right, but
it's not legal what we do.
But it's it pass.
It passes the rules for thehealth inspection and and
whoever comes into like the citycode yeah, exactly, somehow,
some way, and it's crazy yeahbut pretty much that's
(05:03):
essentially what I do, and thenI model as well.
So I'm out in LA, I do likephoto shoots, music videos and
whatever else I feel like I'mlike would be like a good
position for me to be in like ato build my portfolio or my
skills, just because, like Ilike there's like certain like
(05:26):
things I want to do, like withlike photographers.
Like I feel like on myInstagram now, like I'm like
very like IG baddie, but I'vealways like wanted to like get
more into like creative and likefashion and editorial, and so
that's like why I moved out hereand then just try to like
(05:46):
figure out how to get to thatnext step in my career so you
currently live in la, yeah, okay, and then you commute to orange
county for this, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So, and you're a dancer or you're just a?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm a waitress yeah, so pretty much our job title
that when we apply is uh like abarista position or, like you,
serve coffee.
Yeah yeah, so like.
And then there's like differentcafes where the girls have to
make the drinks, but at minethere's a kitchen lady in the
back that um makes the drinksfor us and so we just have to
(06:21):
bring it out.
Yeah, so that way, like, thedrinks can taste the same, have
the same consistency, becauseevery girl that makes it makes
it a little differently, likebecause I've worked at different
ones and there's like a bunchof them just all in, like, um,
the garden grove area,specifically, like out there.
There's some in anaheim andthen there's a couple up in san
(06:43):
jose up in the bay area, and somost of the clientele is
vietnamese yeah, I'd say likevietnamese white and like
hispanic, like that's like thetop three that I see when when I
go in there.
But every now and then we havelike middle eastern, we have
like african-american and thenblack, because I know there's
(07:05):
not very different things.
You know not very many whites alot of whites a lot because
we're in orange county, likewe're like sure connected to,
like mission viejo, irvine, likeall that, like the beach cities
, pretty much right, and youknow that's where the rich men
they live by the beach, you know, and they'll make the 15 20
minute drive.
I'm like, oh like, are you livelocally?
(07:26):
Or like I'm from long beach, orlike some people come from la
out of state, just to come thereoh yeah because, like it's,
it's a very low-key thing likestrip clubs.
you know about the strip clubsbut nobody really knows about
vietnamese coffee shops and it'sa trip for people.
Every time they come in herethey're like like oh, I just saw
this on Yelp.
I didn't expect there to benaked girls in here, or like
(07:47):
half naked girls in here, andI'm just like welcome Sun's out,
buns out.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So they come and they order coffee.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And then they ask for lap dances.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, or we bring it up because there's a lot of
there's.
We even have regular peoplethat come in, like people that
come in like three times a week,every day, multiple times
throughout the day, like younever really know.
And then, because we're also acoffee shop, people bring their
laptops and get their work done.
They're just like, yeah, Icould work at home or at
Starbucks, but this is betterbecause you get eye candy and
(08:21):
then you get some work done.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Like it's like this, assuming then you get some work
done.
Like it's like what does thismean?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
you could actually get work done yeah, I mean some
people, they, they don't mindthe naked girls, they're just
like.
I'll reward myself with a lapdance after better than looking
at a wall yeah, in a sense, yeah, and then, like we play like
hip-hop music, so, um, it's likewhat cardi b drake future.
Like we play like mainstream,like hip hop, like it's not a
(08:47):
cafe you go in and you're justlike listening to like
Vietnamese music.
Like we play from like hip hopto like EDM, like because, like
we, we're allowed to control themusic, like we're technically
the DJs in there, and then, likewe'll like choose our song that
we want to dance to, like whencustomers want to dance from us,
and then we'll just like gocrazy, you know our little like
(09:12):
two, three minute song and thenit'll like shuffle, play to like
whatever is like similar tothose songs, because we use
spotify and so it's cool andplus, like a lot, of, a lot of
strippers, like in the industry,like they come to the coffee
shops and they tell it like I'veheard both sides, like we have
it easier or like we have itlike harder, but what I've heard
(09:33):
like consistently is likecoffee shop, like we can make
good money like strippers but atthe same time, like compared to
like some strippers if you're,especially if you're a stripper
in the main club, like I'veheard strippers where they make
like three thousand, fivethousand, like it's just crazy
numbers, you know, and I'venever touched that personally in
(09:53):
the coffee shop, but I'vetouched like over a thousand in
like a shift, you know, and likeum, if you build like relations
with your customers, like youcan find a sugar daddy in there.
Honestly, I've, I've gotten somelike um people, yeah, some
offers and I'm just like whatyou know, like it's what were
(10:16):
these offers?
like just to be their sugar baby, like go out with them but like
how much were they offering you?
I think I've offered, like I'vebeen offered like two thousand
five thousand, like weekly orlike monthly, like around say
yes or no I said no, why becauseI know I have to give them some
sugar and I'm not trying to dothat all right interesting and
(10:39):
there was this one crazy thing Imet a customer and he was into
that whole like dominatrix thing.
He wanted me to be hisdominatrix.
He was like I will pay you likefive thousand a session to
degrade me and spit on me andand like um, just like, slap him
(11:01):
in the face holy shit and no,like there was this one time and
I know he was serious becausewhen he came to the cafe he was
like, oh, like can we go to thecar and do it?
Like I'll give you a tip, and Iwas like I was like iffy at
first because I'm like going inhis car, like I'm gonna be out
the safety of my like cafe shopand then I'm gonna go in this
stranger's car.
You know, it's like what aboutif I bring my friend and we
(11:25):
could both do it to you.
So we settled on that, me andmy homegirl went to the car and
then we set a timer for I thinkit was like three, five minutes
or something, and we were justtaking turns, like spinning on
him, like I was like grabbinghis head, I'd spit on him, slap
his face, turn his head, andthen she'd slap on him, slap his
(11:47):
face, turn his head, and thenshe'd slap him, spit his face.
It was like constant, like hereally just like wanted to like
get degraded by us and he's likeI want to be your sex.
Like he was blowing up my phone, like I had to like block him
you blocked him he was blowingup my phone.
He was like I just want to beyour personal sex slave.
I'll clean your, I'll wash yourcar for you, clean your house.
I'll like spoil.
You, just degrade me and teachme how, or like treat me how I
(12:11):
like, how you want to treat me.
And he was like looking like hewas looking for me to like wear
a strap and like peg him.
And that's why I was like likethat's an easy come up five
bands.
But I'm like morally, like howam I gonna take it morally, you
know?
Like I mean, like I feel likein the moment, like I was like
(12:34):
yeah, this sounds like a lot offun.
This is, this is the time I canreally like make a man my bitch
.
But I was just like I'm a sweetgirl, like I don't know, like
was just like I'm a sweet girlLike I don't know, like even
just like spitting on his faceand like like I just felt guilty
, like I felt bad, like I knowhe wanted it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But I'm just like this is not me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's not who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But at the same time it felt really empowering and I
think that's like the side oflike dominatrix that makes like
people enjoy that type of work,side of like dominatrix that
makes like people enjoy thattype of work.
They like like the power thatthey hold, because in the
relationship like he wanted tobe fully submissive to me, like
whatever I say goes, whatever Ido, he can't talk back to me,
(13:15):
like it was really that type ofthing and like I've I've looked
into like that whole likeindustry before and like there's
there's always like differentlevels and like different
boundaries and stuff like that.
And I'm just like if I touchinto this lifestyle, like how
deep am I gonna get?
you know because, like justbeing in the coffee shop
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industry, like I think peoplelike see, like the lifestyle I
live and like how comfortableI'm able to live, they glamorize
it and like it's my fault toofor like glamorizing and only
showing the good parts.
But I I'm also very liketransparent about like the not
so good parts.
You know, like girls in thisindustry, like I've heard them
(13:58):
get killed, assaulted like youknow it's just dangerous, like
as in being in the like the sexwork industry, like when you
know like we are technicallylike sex workers, like whatever
a girl does, like I know there'ssome girls that don't do extra
services and then there's girlsthat do do extra services and it
just depends on like thementality and like and like
(14:20):
their hustle.
You know, because I know, Iknow girls that can like you
know like, know, like do meetupsand like not trip about it or
like they're desensitized tolike where it won't affect them
like as hard assomebody who's just gotten into
sex work for the first time.
You know, like people have beendoing this for like years, like
almost decades even, I've heardand so they're just at a point
(14:43):
where they can likecompartmentalize their emotions
separately from work and private.
You know, and like I try my bestto like compartmentalize it and
separate my private life frommy work life.
Like I have customers that aremy regulars, but they know I
don't do meetups, I don't buildfriendships with my clients like
(15:08):
outside of work, like I try notto do that.
Like I just keep it inside thecoffee shop and like just
standing like firm on thoseboundaries, like luckily, like
my customers, like they'rerespectful of those boundaries
because, like you're not likeworking in this industry, you're
gonna obviously attract likenot the best men, but there's
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some that still like haverespect for us and then there's
men that just don't at all.
You know like we pretty muchlike we get paid a lot, a lot
more than just a regularstarbucks worker, but like just
like the mental, like turmoilthat we go home after.
You know like people come inthere with their pockets full,
(15:51):
they know to bring cash for usand they leave with their
pockets empty, but they'refulfilled.
We leave with our pockets fullbecause we just took their money
.
But like inside we feel empty.
Like it's that exchange, youknow, and it's like I've seen
girls like that have started inthe same time as me in the
industry or like came in like aslike a newbie, and I've just
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seen like their eyes,specifically like you can, you,
you know, like eyes are like theportal to the soul.
I just like I've seen thesegirls like lose the light in
their eyes.
Like it's so crazy, like youknow, like you look at them,
they just kind of look like deadgone.
You know, like they're justlike kind of like surviving.
(16:35):
They're not really livinganymore.
And it's like I know those eyesbecause like I've been through
that, like I knew what it waslike to just be surviving and
not really living, you know, andit's it's crazy because it's
like I'm stuck in this lifestylenow, like I told myself I was
gonna use it to like push me,elevate me in life.
(16:55):
And it has like I'm where I'mat now because of like what I do
, like I'm able to affordeverything I want in life.
But it's like after you touchthat type of fast money, people
can't imagine going back to aregular job.
People can't imagine doing likean office job.
People dread it because they'reso used to that money.
But being in this industry,like there's, there's an
(17:17):
expiration date.
Once you get too old, once youstart like looking a certain way
, you can't, you can't keepbeing here anymore.
You know like because like thisindustry, like they want like
exotic girls, like all the girlsin there they look exotic at
least at like the hottest coffeeshops.
They have the prettiest girls,like I've seen other coffee
shops and I mean I'm not gonnatalk bad about them because
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everybody has their ownpreference but just compared
like the clientele and then tolike the girls, like you can see
which one like is a good oneand then which one's not, and
then just like the amount ofcustomers.
Like I talk to all my customers, just like about the other
coffee shops, about the othergirls, like who their favorites
are and like which coffee shops,about the other girls, like who
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their favorites are and likewhich club they are coffee shop
they frequent the most.
Because a lot of them they theycoffee hop.
Like.
Like like guys going tomultiple strip clubs in the
night.
It's guys going to multiplecoffee shops in the night trying
to see where it's at you know,yeah, and so it's like they be
telling me everything from likethe drama to like the history,
and then like everything, likeI've heard it all honestly, and
(18:28):
then it's like the stuff that Ikeep finding out.
I'm just like sometimes it'ssurprising, sometimes it doesn't
even really surprise me thatmuch anymore you know, and then
like, but like.
Another thing is like I've alsolearned how to like utilize my
position in like a good way,because I'm around like
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entrepreneurs people in likegood businesses have their own
business, or like they justthey're just rich and I go in
there and like, yeah, I'm tryingto entertain them, but I'm also
also like trying to pick theirbrain to see how they got so
successful where they're at.
You know, like I'm 21 right now, so it's like I'm not getting
(19:12):
any younger, like I haveofficially reached adulthood and
I'm, you know, like I'm peakingright now.
So it's like I'm trying to likepick the brains of these men
that come in here just to likeunderstand, like getting a
little financial literacy orjust a life lesson I can learn
without having to go through thehard part of it.
(19:34):
You know, and it's like I'vegotten good advice.
You know like I'm I work thosemorning shifts.
It'll be customers that come in.
They're're like looking on likea website.
They're like, oh yeah, I'mtrying to buy another plane.
It's my hobby.
I'm looking at it with himhelping him choose.
It's like 500, 600, 700thousand dollar planes and he
does it as a hobby and I'm justlike what you know it's like
(19:58):
this is who I want to pick mybrain, or pick his brain like
want to learn, like how could helike set himself up financially
?
Because one thing likeeverybody gonna keep telling you
is like, when you're in thisindustry, save your money right,
because girls they'll blow iton bags, purses, clothes.
You know like I'm like I'mlooking like in the long run
(20:19):
because I know my time is goingto expire in this industry.
You know like I don't even wantto stay till my expiration date
, like the faster I can get outthe better, because like I I
have like something I want to doin life, like or I have a good
picture not a clear picture, buta good picture and like I just
(20:39):
want to make sure like I'm notletting it go to waste.
You know, like because I I feelthe trauma, like I feel the
heaviness in like my spirit.
You know like I know this jobis gonna like ruin me in the
long run the longer I stay.
So it's like now it's like Ineed to like figure out how to
flip this money, invest thismoney so I can make more money.
(21:01):
You know like rich people aregonna tell you make your money
work for you, don't don't workfor it, and so this it's.
That's where I'm at in liferight now.
I'm just picking at theseentrepreneurs brains and it's
like they've taught me so much,like I'm like learning how to do
my taxes this year.
I'm learning about like indexfunds, like they're telling me
(21:22):
about like crypto.
I mean, if I wanted to startbetting on parlays, and like
they're telling me about likecrypto.
I mean if I wanted to startbetting on parlays, and like
they could teach me too.
Like it's a whole lot of peoplethat come in to watch sports
because we have it on andthey're always watching the
screen making bets motherfuckersgoing.
They're like there's somepeople that are down like 30
bands or up like 50 bands justmaking these bets.
I'm like teach me, you know.
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And because'm a girl, they'lljust be like, yeah, you know
they'll be more open to teachingme, you know.
And it's just like it's a whole, like different world and it's
just like we have like privateparties and we have like the
regular coffee shop hours, andit's like it's been around for a
(22:04):
long time too and it's likeyou'd think it was in my culture
.
I would find out about itsooner, but I only found out
about the coffee shops about ayear ago and it's like a whole
different world.
And people ask me would youever be a stripper going to the
club?
And I'm just like I don't knowif I could do that.
(22:25):
You know, because I found whereI like.
They like me small, petite,asian, like I'm definitely one
of the favorites there.
I feel like you know BecauseI'm just their type, so it's
better for me.
I don't think I could go in theclub and start just being in
competition with the other girls.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm small.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'll never last in there, you know, and that's
another thing, like people thathave told me like there was just
so much hostility, so much,just like they were so
territorial.
I know, like the cafes, likedepending on which one you go to
it might be different, butpersonally the one I worked at
now, because like I like I don'tget any hostility from any of
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the other girls or like any likeanimosity from them, it's made
like the work environment likereally positive for me like even
though, like the men are likeconstantly like touching us and
just like talking our head off,like I feel, like the girls in
my job, we have each other'sbacks, you know.
And then I always tell, like thenew girls or like girls I work
(23:31):
with, like if you need anybodyto talk to, if you need anything
, call me, text me, you know,just because, like we, we really
just have to like look out forother.
Especially, these girls haveworked longer than me or about
the same amount of months as me,but it's like everybody has a
(23:53):
different story.
When going in there, honestly,I was living good at home, but I
knew I wanted more out ofmyself and so I went into that
industry.
But there's girls in there thathad to like fend for survival,
like they had to come up withrent, to like find like an
(24:14):
apartment to live in or they'regoing to be homeless or like
whatever their story is Likeeverybody has a different story
and it's like I'm like not oneto judge anybody in there.
Because, we're all like afterthe same thing money.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know.
And then there's the girls thatare hostile, territorial, don't
want you to make money fromtheir customer.
But then there's girls that'llcall you over, like I'm like one
of them there.
If I sit at a table, they don'tlike me, but they like another
one of my co-workers.
I'll be like, oh, what's yourname?
Or like what does she look like?
I'll call it over for you.
You know.
It's like it's the support thathelps, like all of us make
(24:50):
money, you know, and it's it'sbeen fun.
Honestly, even now I'm thinkingI'm like what job can I work
that'll make me good money, likethis, or if not more.
You know, because I I droppedout of college.
I'm just like what?
I didn't even know what Iwanted to study for in college
(25:10):
and that's why I dropped out.
I'm just like, kind of likefloating around life seeing
where I make it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Was your family paying for college?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They were a little bit, but I was also paying on my
own because I was working tooand I was only working part time
.
I wasn't making much because Iwas at a minimum wage job.
So whatever money, like I wasshort, they would help me out
with it.
Because I was in um communitycollege and I graduated high
school early, at 16, by umtaking the chespi test or exam
(25:45):
or whatever.
So I was able to graduate ayear early and with like that,
like one of the requirements isyou go to um, a community
college for two years before youtransfer into a four year.
So it didn't delay like myeducation or anything by like
graduating early.
But I never finished eitherbecause I dropped out of college
(26:06):
.
But yeah, and like I wouldn'tsay I'm like stupid or anything,
like I feel like just otherpeople teaching me and then like
me like reading up on what Iactually want to learn, because
I'd rather learn what I want tolearn than have to sit there and
be forced to learn what I don'tneed to learn for like a piece
(26:29):
of paper.
You know, like I don't even usepythagorean theorem in real
life, so it's like not very manypeople you know.
So it's just like I likelearning, I like educating
myself, but on what I want tolearn about you know, because
it's good to have knowledge oneverything, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I can't sit there and just learn chemistry, just for
the sake of it.
I mean the education system isnot particularly made for
entrepreneurs.
Exactly, if you're trying to dosomething very specific in
becoming a doctor, becoming alawyer, then the school system
is, you know, the right placefor you but aside from that,
(27:23):
anything else, you have a betterchance of learning those things
in real life doing exactly yeah, day-to-day work than going to
school for it yeah so, um, Iknow a lot of people who you
know I talked to and I'm like oh, what are you doing?
they're like oh, I'm going tocollege, I'm going to school
what are you going you?
Know marketing business and I'mlike that's, that's the wrong
(27:46):
place to waste your money in.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, you know and it's like I feel like now this
generation, they're encouragingpeople to go to trade schools,
whereas, like college, yeah youknow, actually learn something
like towards your, like niche orlike your, whatever you're
going for like I went to a tradeschool too, like after I
dropped out of college I went tobeauty school after I got my
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license to be an esthetician,and so I'm a licensed
esthetician, but I kind of neverreally did anything with it
because I just kind of like fellout of that career, like I fell
out of a lot of careers, justis that right, yeah, like I like
I used to have my um lifeinsurance agent license, so I
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was like pretty much a what wasthe word?
a broker yeah or no.
I was an independent contractorbecause I wasn't directly with,
like any companies yet yeah,it's a broker and yeah, so like
my mom, she wanted me to go intothat because before she passed
that's what she was doing.
You know, like my family theycame up from like the nail shops
(28:53):
.
Like all we knew was the nailshop, like even my family now.
But it's like, and then, likegoing into esthetician, I was
like, oh yeah, I'm taking like alittle different approach, but
I could still be around myfamily because in the nail shop
you have the esthetician andthen the nail technicians right.
So for a little bit of the timeI was working with them, but it
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in like the where we were atlike back at home in um merino
valley, it's it's hard to buildlike clientele out there and
it's like nails and lashes weremore important than their skin.
Like out here I could haveprobably built like a little bit
more of definitely a clientlist, but also, like it's just
(29:38):
so much competition as well, youknow.
And then, kind of like goinginto coffee, I didn't, I didn't
want to go back to a regular joband figuring that out, but
honestly, like after like livingthrough coffee for a year, and
I'm just like, I'm ready for mynext step like, and so I want to
be calculative like andstrategic this time around, like
(29:58):
I don't want to just like putlike my efforts into something
just to get bored of it and thenlike go on to the next.
Like I've completed so many sidequests, like I'm ready for the
main quest quest, like I'm readyfor the main quest.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know, interesting .
So you said some of these girlshave, uh, some crazy stories.
What?
What are some of those storiesthat have happened, that I guess
people you're friends with orstuff that you've heard?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
yeah, so I mean I've heard like back in the day, so
before I worked at my coffeeshop, now I was working at the
original one.
And that original one is calledCafe Lou.
They were notorious.
They're the ones that startedit all, like the trends now.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All these other coffee shops.
They didn't match up to themback in the day because they had
private parties and, um, justlike a whole bunch of stuff.
And allegedly I'm gonna sayallegedly um, I guess, like back
(31:08):
in the day they used to pay forthe girls boob jobs oh wow, all
the girls, the og girls.
They're paid for their boobjobs and I don't know how true
this is so, but I heard likethey would make them work the
private parties to pay off theamount, the, the price of the
(31:30):
boob job yeah so these girlswere doing like the private part
and I heard the private partieswere crazy.
They had like naked sushi models.
They would bring in a pole andall the customers they wanted to
be there.
Whether it was like a mondaynight or friday night, it was a
full house regardless, like itwas always, like you couldn't
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even get anywhere to sit.
And I heard, like back in theday those girls were making
$4,000, $5,000.
You know, like they were likegetting paid, like what the
strippers got paid.
Like now with inflation andeverything they got a little
cheap with us.
But back in the day, I feel likeback in the day before
inflation really got bad,everybody was just spending a
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boatload of money on whateverstrippers, coffee workers,
bottle service, like just theywere just living like the the
dream that everybody on likesocial media is faking to live.
Now, because you hear aboutlike all the influencers that
like they're flexing all theselike nice things but they're
(32:36):
rentals, or like they're goingin debt to flex this lifestyle
off, you know, yeah, and it'sjust like people lived like that
back in the day and beforesocial media.
So it's not like you couldreally even flex.
I mean you could flex onfacebook that was like the
biggest thing of their time.
But they would have like yachtparties and like what else.
(33:04):
I've just I've heard it alllike they'd have like have like
penthouse parties Like it was.
Why would a girl?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
do this instead of stripping, and I know you said
your reasoning, but it seemslike some of these other girls
are, as you know, morallycorrupt.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
As somebody who would be a stripper, Because I hear
in the strip club, like anotherthing is the tax, because, like
we, every time we do a dance wegive, like pay, like a little
house fee and then at the end ofthe night we pay a house fee
and then every coffee shop'sdifferent, because there's some
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coffee shops that will pay youhourly on top of the tips you
make, like the first one.
I worked, it was like that andI get, I got to keep all my tips
.
I didn't have to tip out toanybody.
This one I work at now I kindof have to tip out to people,
but even that it doesn't compareto the strip club.
The strip club you have to tipout the dj, kitchen, bartenders,
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security manager, like it's,it's, you know, like you have to
tip so much and if you're notmaking that much in a night.
A good amount of it's gone atthe end of the night we tip.
It varies between five bucks to20 bucks depending on how bad
the tip jar is.
Because we also have a tip jarat the front and any customers
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that leave the tip on the tablethat automatically goes to the
kitchen.
But any tips that we get handeddirectly, that's us.
So at the end of the night orat the end of the morning shift,
whatever shift we get, we tipout what is short in that tip
jar divided by how many girlsare on shift.
So that's why the price canalways vary between like how
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much we pay at the end of thenight and so like we don't have
to tip security, we don't haveto tip a bartender or like
manager or anything like that.
Like it's it's it's a lot lessand like it's it's done out in
the open.
We don't have private rooms sowe don't do extra services, or I
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don't do extra services.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, you said some of the girls do.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, and usually that's when you go home with the
customer or leave with thecustomer or like schedule.
And that's common, I would sayso.
I mean, I don't think the girlswill like openly talk about
like what they do right you know, after hours or anything and
I'm I, I find I find stuff out,just just finding it out, just
(35:45):
have you're not friends you know, I'm not nosy like, I'm not
like asking everybody but you'renot friends with these girls
I'm I'm cordial with everybody.
I'm acquainted but you're notfriends I feel like there's a
difference between like a realfriend and the work friends.
They're my work friends sure,yeah, like yeah and like like
(36:05):
we'll talk about life here andthere but like at the end of the
day I still don't know thesegirls that well.
You know, like we could talkand be close as much as we want
at work, but you really neverknow.
Because like I'll like hear,hear stuff about one girl from
another girl and I'm just likedang, like I didn't even know
she was like that or likewhatever it is, you know, and
(36:27):
like I mean I'm not, I'm nothere to judge anybody.
So it's like it kind of justgoes in like one ear and out the
other ear for me.
Like I don't care to spreadanybody's business or like talk
bad about anybody, Just becauseI don't want to start drama and
I don't need drama, Because I'mjust here to make money and go
home and I think the girls arethe same way Because I mean,
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I've seen drama pop off and itdoesn't make the work
environment good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
When there's drama, just girls like talking bad on
others or like trying to likeinitiate, like beef between
other girls.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What would?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
be the reason?
Just to mess with their money.
Just jealousy?
Because they're jealous, Likethey don't want a girl to make
more money than them, Just tomess with their money.
Just jealousy and envy.
They don't want a girl to makemore money than them, or they
had a falling out or something.
I mean I know girls with babydaddies and there'll be baby
daddy, baby mama drama.
(37:29):
Or one customer talked to agirl and then now he's talking
to a different girl.
So like that girl doesn't likethat.
Like just petty girl drama orsomething you know and just like
little stuff like that, LikeI've never seen like a fight
happen.
I don't think and I hope itstays that way.
(37:54):
Yeah, and like there there'salso asian gangbangers, like out
in oc, like what is asian?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
oh okay yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So there's, there's.
We're like right between gardengrove and santa ana, so one
side you got the hispanicsbeefing with each other, one
side you got the asians beefingwith each other, and then you
throw in like the other people,like blacks, whites, the other
random, but predominantly it'slike hispanic and asians out
(38:26):
there, and so like I mean I'vehad like rival gangs come in and
like press each other and likethe girls would like get in
between and like kick them outand, like before, like a fight
would ensue.
Because back in the day I heardlike at some some cafes I don't
know which one it was, but likeI guess like a customer got
shot and killed or like therewere multiple instances of that
(38:49):
happening.
They just catch the op at thecoffee shop, they're like it's
up, and then it's just like you,kind of just.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Do you guys have security at the door?
Patting people down?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
One of them did Like the one I used to work at.
First they had an armedsecurity Because it was like
there was so much stuff poppingback up Like back in the day but
it's tame now.
So they like don't need asecurity anymore and then so
they just have like the parkinglot security that like walks
around the parking lot and justwatches everything.
(39:22):
And then the coffee shop I workat now.
They don't have security at allbut, they have cameras
everywhere, like even out in theparking lot, so if a cop pulls
up like, they'll let us knowimmediately.
They're like go put yourclothes on or go hide in the
back or like don't do any dancesor whatever.
And then, yeah, like she'll,and there's always somebody
(39:44):
watching the camera, so it'slike you can't really like miss
anything right like becauseshe's like watching it, like a
hawk.
You know like, even when she'slike doing something, she'll
still watch the camera.
Just her hands, just like thislike her eyes are like glued to
that thing.
That's funny and so like.
And then like the customers,like they, they watch out for us
(40:06):
too.
Like they have our backs, likelike I have like a customer he's
a really good friend of minelike anything pops off, like
he's ready to go, like all I allI needed to say is like a safe
word and he'll like get up andlike start like handling it for
me, you know so he's in yourpersonal life no, um, like I'll,
(40:28):
I'll smoke with him, like afterwork and stuff, and like I'll
text him, like through Instagramor like stuff, but like he
doesn't even have my number andlike every person that customer
that I gave him, given my numberout to I've never texted them
back, or I did and then I go tothem Like I really like I tell
my customers I'm like you getRiri here at the cafe, outside
(40:52):
of it, you get maria, becausethat's my stage name.
So it's like I I feel like Icarry on a persona when I walk
in there, yeah, and then I'mmyself when I walk out and it's
I, I like keeping it that wayand so, in terms of that, like I
don't really make bonds withanybody because like there's
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girls where they have like aseparate um account for their
like a work account.
You know where they have liketheir stage name, they post
their schedules and then they'lluse that directly to talk to
their customers and and milktheir customers or whatever, or
just like do what they do.
But I I just do main accountand my phone number and then I
(41:34):
just let people follow me andjust be my fan.
Like you are not my friend,yeah, but, um, I'd be thinking
about making just a separatework account just to interact
with my customers more right,just so I can milk them.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
but I don't know, I just well, how would you milk
them if you're not willing to doany of these exactly?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
yeah, because there's some people where they just
want to have a good conversationand just deepening, like the
connection you have with thecustomers.
Don't be more inclined to likebring you gifts or buy you food,
like, like, yeah, I don't doextra services, but I'll text
like um, some of my customers toinstagram like when I'm hungry.
(42:17):
I was like can you bring mefood?
Or like can you bring me, likewhatever I want?
and they usually do like they'rejust really sweet, you know,
like they're nice and likehonestly or simps yeah, and the
only people that I really liketalk back to are people that I
feel safe being around.
Like they're not like.
(42:39):
I mean, yeah, if I give themthe green light to like sleep
with me, they probably would.
But like as far as that, likethey know, like the boundaries I
hold, and because they respectmy boundaries, I can give them
that mutual respect in return soyou've never slept with any of
your clients there are some goodlooking ones that I would sleep
(43:02):
with.
I will not lie to you, becauseall types of ages come in there.
So like there's people likemore within my age group that I
would sleep, I would be like hekind of fine, let me go sit at
that table.
But it just doesn't get thatfar because I because they don't
push it that far, or or youdon't let it both okay, yeah
(43:23):
yeah, I, it's definitely like me, mostly like I would, just
because I these men get aroundtoo like Like they be sleeping
with multiple girls.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
How many people have you been with?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I haven't been with anybody in the coffee shop, but
Just in general.
In general I've had like oneserious relationship.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And then, like I've had like two, three trial runs.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Uh-huh.
And then, like I mean, I'vetalked to like countless like
people, just sure casually, butlike we've been like with like
four people yeah, I guess, likemy body counts is higher.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But at the same time.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
What is your body count?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
10, okay, 11, 12 something within that range yeah
, not more than 20, I know thatuh-huh, but yeah, and I just
people think like when I'm inthis industry and the work that
I post, like they think like Iwould be like easy, you know,
and it's like well define easyeasy to fuck because, like the
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amount of men that come in mydms just to cat, like, hook up.
They're like, oh, come over, andit's like 8 pm at night, like
nobody really texts me, like, oh, like I want to take you out on
a date okay, so out of theselike 10 people that you've slept
with, right, how many of thesewere so?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
one of them was a serious relationship and the
three of them were short-termrelationship yeah, like a couple
weeks, like a month, couplemonths max.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
So that's like four, so you leave six people were
these six people just one nightstands I'd say it was high
school, when we were all likehorndogs and just hooking up
with random people You've sleptwith these, this body count,
okay, so when did yourrelationship end?
(45:20):
My longest one.
Yeah, okay, so it endedbeginning of this year, january.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay, so it's very recent.
How long was it for?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
A year and three months.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Okay, so you were 20, 19 to 20, and then I'm assuming
at some point you turned 21this year, yeah, and then.
So how many after you broke up,how many people have you been
with?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I've hooked up with two, two people two people after
I got out the relationship.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
And those were one night stands or they were just
people you were seeing sneakylinks.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Sneaky links.
I've saw him multiple times,but it was.
It was nothing like we weren'ttrying to like progress in, like
a relationship or anything, andwhere did you meet these people
?
Instagram uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So technically speaking, yeah it is that easy.
It's just you have to beattracted to them yeah, like and
like.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah.
I was definitely like afterlike my breakup I was like in
like my little like kind of likerevenge phase, like I was.
I was blasting Future, drakeand the Weeknd.
Like every day, I posted myApple music wrapped and they're
like oh, I know what kind ofperson you are Because those,
those were my top three.
I'm like lover girl turnedtoxic, like I don't know what
(46:52):
you want me to tell you.
But yeah, and it's just like,yeah, I could easily like sleep
with so many more men.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
But I just didn't want to like be so, like ready,
available, especially when themen just want to sleep with me
and they have nothing to offerme.
Because, especially like afterlike making, like the amount of
money that I've made and beingaround them, the people that
I've been around, like I didn'twant to settle for less,
especially after my lastrelationship you know, like I
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didn't want to settle for less,like I, I'm an independent woman
, I'm a hustler, like I knowthat and I know I'm hyper
independent and I know that Iwould need somebody to make me
submit to them, or else it wouldjust be a competition of
dominance how would somebody getyou to submit to them?
Just by being able to take careof me.
(47:43):
Bro, like you, either have tolike financially not even just
financially, just emotionally,like like, yeah.
Physically emotionally like,yeah, like I want, like I'm like
every other girl, like I wantflowers, go on nice dates where
they plan it, or something likegoing over to a guy's crib like
it's boring after a while,especially when your apartment's
(48:06):
nicer.
Yeah, like I'll skip out, I'llstay here you know like, and
it's like yeah, like these guyslook good, but they're just eye
candy to me, just like how I'meye candy to them, like they
wouldn't think I have much tooffer them.
Or like they could try to milkme too, like they want a girl to
take care of them.
You know, they want a trick andI'm not a trick.
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You know like.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You know like, but I mean it's.
It sounds like what you desireis Something that, in turn,
wouldn't desire you, though.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, but I know it's because I'm emotionally
unavailable.
So it's what I keep attracting,like after my last relationship
, like I really like really hadto work on healing and I don't
think I'm to that point whereI've been able to open myself
back up to feeling loved yet,and so in terms of that, it's a
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repetition of the men I keepmeeting are emotionally
unavailable, broke and remind meof my ex and I'm just like well
now that I learned, just likewell now that I learned my
lesson, now that I know my worth.
Oh, sorry, now that I know myworth, like I I don't want to
settle for less.
Like I don't want to just hitme up, I don't want to be a
booty call.
You know like I could be, andthere are times where I have
been just because I wanted tofuck him, but for for the most
part, like I'm looking for likesomething more, especially
(49:34):
because, like I feel like mydownfall is like being in a
relationship, like every timeI've given myself too much when
they couldn't give me the same,like mutual, like respect or
just energy.
You know Like when, like I love, like I love hard, you know I
want to give my everything to aperson.
(49:54):
You know like when, like I love, like I love hard, you know I
want to give my everything to aperson.
You know like I want to beloyal and just duck away and
just let it be all about us, orwhatever you know, and like my
past relationships, I've beenlike done wrong, got cheated on
or just like just through likethe whole turmoil.
You know I've dealt with likenarcissist people and like so
(50:15):
it's like the first red flag Isee.
Like I usually just like, oh,you're cut out and maybe I'm not
giving men a chance to provethemselves, but at the same time
, like I don't think these menwant to prove themselves to me
either, because I don't thinkthey, men, want to prove
themselves to me either, becauseI don't, I don't think they
want to see anything with me andthat's why, like I'd rather
(50:37):
just not like have, have likemeaning of meaningless sex with
the person you know, because Ifeel like when I've hooked up
with people, I've kind of justfelt awkward.
After I'm like, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, there's no emotional connection.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Exactly.
I'm just like what was thatreally for, you know?
Like because it was a reallypleasure to me if I couldn't
connect with a person on anintimate level.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know, on an emotional level, and that's why
I'm just like I'd rather staycelibate and then like find
somebody where I can connectwith them like intimately and
all like three aspects, or liketwo aspects, what it is like
spiritual, mental, physical yeahso three and like that's just
(51:23):
kind of like how I carry myselftoo, like people will see me
naked, half naked, just shakingmy ass on like Instagram or in
person.
They're just like oh yeah,you're probably easy.
And I I feel like that'sanother thing because I just I
get offended when people thinklike I would be easy to fuck why
(51:44):
?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
why would that offend you?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm like do you think I don't have any values, or is
it just a project that is?
That is what that?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
but that's what equates to that line of work.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Is lack of values.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, and that's what it is Like.
I know what I signed up for.
Like there's girls in thisindustry that have boyfriends.
And then there's people that aresingle, like me, and then I'm
just like, now that I'm in thisindustry, I'm single.
I'm like, damn you know.
And it's like customers ask meall the time they're like do you
(52:21):
ever think you could have be ina relationship working here?
Would your boyfriend ever becool with you working here and
this and that, and I'm like I'veheard it all, you know and I'm
just like I've been that toolike when I was in my
relationship this past year,like I was working at the coffee
shop but I wasn't doing all thestuff, like I wasn't doing
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dances or showing like my body,like my boobs off or whatever
for these men, like I was justkeeping it cute and like, yeah,
I would flirt with them, cook upa good conversation with them,
but I, like I had respecttowards my relationship and so,
like I didn't do anythingfurther, even though, like,
(53:04):
doing those can make me bettermoney.
And then there's girls that likehave boyfriends that are cool
with, like them working in thisindustry, or like they kind of
like feel uncomfortable but theylet their girl do what they
want, you know.
And then girls have told me andthey're like, yeah, like my
boyfriend knows, I work here andI just tell him straight like
(53:26):
what I do with like in my lifeis on me, what you do is on you.
You know, like they try not tolike dig into each other's like
kind of like business life sureand just keep like their
personal selves, you know, andlike it works for some, not for
others, right, and then whateverso you do, you do only fans.
(53:51):
I used to, but I don't reallygo on there anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
It was just like too much to keep up with, just like
working on top of like, havingto like post and then text back
messages and this and that, likeit was just like getting too
much, and I hate flirting withmen that I don't want to flirt
with.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Why don't you just get a manager?
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, I mean, I did have one like helping me out for
a little bit, but it was justlike I didn't even like take
pictures, like I didn't evenhave content for them to like
use.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
But why wouldn't you get content?
Speaker 1 (54:34):
I was just lazy, like I was just like, like I don't
feel like posting up, right, soyou think, like the body shop,
just showing up doing the thingand yeah, instead of like having
to like plan this content andthen like push it up and like
record and like plan it like I'd.
I'd rather just do it and go andlike after.
Like I was like focused in mycoffee shop, like it was like
(54:55):
kind of hard for me like focuson other things.
Like it definitely like drainedme a lot some days more than
others, like some some days werelike more mentally draining
than others and stuff do.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
The other girls who work there also don't have only
fans.
Is that the reason why theydon't do it?
Speaker 1 (55:12):
no, some girls have only fans too, like I feel, like
a majority of people that workin coffee.
They definitely have only fanstoo.
Like it's it's good way to makeextra money, you know, and it
just depends on how consistentthey are.
I know there's other girls thatare actually consistent, and
then there's me where I justlike um, I just don't want to
(55:35):
deal with it yeah, I just reallydid not want to deal with it
anymore and it was just like, itwas just so like odd, like just
chatting with men yeah, like.
And then, like the requests arelike oh, like, I want to see
your toes like, but like, andthen, like I think there was
(55:57):
like a guy that wanted me tolike, send him like the
smelliest like pair of heels Ihad, or something.
It's just stuff like that like.
Yeah, like in terms it's goodmoney, but I just I think about
it.
I'm just like.
I just feel so weirded out bythis.
You know, like there's peoplewho just say like, fuck it and
(56:18):
like.
There's times where I'm, I'mlike that, but then there's
times where I just kind of lookat this, I'm like you're one.
That's a weird kink to have.
You know, stuff I've heard andand seen and then just like
(56:40):
what's the weirdest camp you'veever heard of?
I feel like there's guys, thatthere's a there was, I think it
was like a guy that came in andhe was like checking out the
girl's belly buttons to see whohad like a pretty belly button
(57:00):
and not so pretty belly button.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
I know because the top, the top weirdest story was
that story.
I told you earlier about thedominatrix situation.
That was the weirdest one.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
So how much did you get paid for that?
Speaker 1 (57:18):
he was offering like uh five thousand a session for
for that specific session thatyou guys did yeah, no, no, no,
like, like the, like the futuremeetups, like the, that one, I
think.
Like I got like like 30 or 40bucks tip just to like do that
(57:42):
to slap him and spit on him yeah, yeah, and then, like it ended
quick but like for like thefuture, like that was just like
the little test run, yeah, tosee if we were like serious or
not.
But like he was like, oh, like,if you guys are actually
serious about this, like everylike session we set up, I'll pay
you five thousand each andit'll be like an hour session or
(58:05):
like two hour session, I think.
Like he owned like a company orlike his family owned a company
or something, but it's justlike he had money.
So like he owned like a company, or like his family owned a
company or something, but it'sjust like he had money.
So like he would like tell us.
He's like yeah, like I havemoney, like I want you to do
this to me and this and that.
(58:27):
And it was crazy because, likeafter I blocked him on my number
, he tried to text me on likewhatsapp because, like my
connect and my numbers likeconnected to it.
He's like do you have cash appor apple pay or paypal?
My connect and my numbers likeconnected to it.
He's like do you have cash appor apple pay or paypal?
Like I think he was like tryingto send me money so I could
like unblock him or somethinglike he was blowing up my phone
like crazy, like like why?
Speaker 2 (58:47):
why not just do the minimum, or why not?
I mean, the one thing you couldhave done was hire another girl
to do the work for you.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, I could.
I don't know.
It's just I get so weird out bylike these, like things, that I
don't even want to do itanymore.
I think that's my thing, likeI'm just, like You're ready to
get out yeah.
You know, like some of thesegirls, they'll have fun with it.
Like I've definitely seen girlsthat are like okay with it.
(59:21):
I'm like like do you get anylike trauma?
Or like some girls be sayingit's fun, they love doing it.
You know, yeah, only do it ifyou're passionate about it.
Like there's people that do itfor survival and they do it if
you're passionate about it.
There's people that do it forsurvival and they do it because
they're passionate.
I hear both sides.
I've seen both sides.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Next time you come across one of these people who
wants to do something you don'twant to do, just go find one of
the girls who wants to do it andbe like.
This is what I'll take 20%commission.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I'll start my own little dominatrix agency.
No, yeah, but yeah, and it wasjust like I was down to do it.
But he was just texting me toomuch, to the point where I'm
just like I don't want to likehave to constantly text you.
(01:00:14):
Yeah, I'm just like I just needto cut you off.
Yeah, and it was just like theway he would text.
It was weird.
He's like do you want to knowmy deepest, darkest secret?
Can you please text me back?
Like answer me, call me, callme back.
Like are you there?
Like it was just like constant,like every like two minutes,
call me multiple times, text memultiple times, just like if I
(01:00:35):
didn't answer, like I was justlike this is too much, bro.
Like if, if I have to deal withthis before our meeting set up,
I'm gonna just cut you off.
And that's what I did, you know, because it's like there's a
response.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
You just go send me a hundred dollars so I respond to
you yeah, I tried doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
He, he would literally not do that.
I'm like, okay, you're done,you're done like you said that
to him yeah, I'm like you gottatext me, you gotta like cash out
me for me to like answer youback at this point, like I
literally told him straight up,like you're annoying me, but
like shut the fuck up, like stopblowing my fucking phone up.
Like I'm busy, like you know,like I got shit to do and it's
like you over here like what,who's paying this phone bill?
(01:01:16):
You or me?
Like, why are you blowing up myphone right now?
You know how much verizoncharges, bro.
I'm like, so I just blocked himvery interesting life.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Very interesting life um all right final question.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
All right, final question Is the green bubble a
red flag.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
What is a green bubble?
You know, when you textsomebody and they text you back
and there's a green bubbleinstead of a blue bubble.
If somebody has an Android, isthat a red flag?
Would you not date someone?
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Because of their phone.
I used to think like that, butnow, being in the coffee shop,
some of these guys don't haveiphones, they'd rather stick
with samsung.
And I'm just like as long asyou got money, I'm not gonna
judge you what phone you get.
You know, like a phone's a phone, you need to communicate with
people yeah, you know but I meanI guess you'd have to send me
cash on zelle because you can'tuse apple pay.
(01:02:24):
I mean that's my only worry.
Hey, if you don't got apple pay, I got venmo paypal zelle cash
app, like it's.
So having an iphone isn't theend of the world.
I mean, green bubble is only ared flag if I got blocked,
(01:02:45):
making sure I didn't get blocked.
But no, I don't really judgepeople huh, good for you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Thanks so much for coming on.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Yeah, of course, absolutely.
Thanks for watching.
Strip clubs.
You know about the strip clubs,but nobody really knows about
Vietnamese coffee shops.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What were these offers?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Like just to be their sugar baby, like go out with
them.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
But like how much were they offering you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I think I've offered like I've been offered like
$2,000, $5,000 like weekly orlike monthly.
He wanted me to be hisdominatrix.
He was like I will pay you like$5,000 a session to degrade me
and spit on me.
I've seen these girls lose thelight in their eyes.
It's so crazy.
(00:31):
You look at them.
They just kind of look deadgone.
They're just kind of surviving.
They're not really livinganymore.
And I know those eyes becauseI've been through that.
I knew what it was like to justbe surviving and not really
living anymore.
And it's like I know those eyesbecause, like I've been through
that, like I knew what it waslike to just be surviving and
not really living.
One thing like everybody gonnakeep telling you is like, when
you're in this industry, saveyour money right, because girls
(00:54):
they'll blow it on bags, purses,clothes.
You know like I'm, like I'mlooking like in the long run,
because I know my time is goingto expire in this industry, make
your money work for you, don'twork for it.
I'd rather learn what I want tolearn than have to sit there
and be forced to learn what Idon't need to learn for a piece
of paper.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The education system is not particularly made for
entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
If you're trying to do something very specific
engineering, becoming a doctor,becoming a lawyer then the
school system is, you know, theright place for you but aside
from that, anything else, youhave a better chance of learning
those things in real life doingexactly day-to-day work than
going to school for it.
What is your body count?
(01:45):
10 okay welcome to unattainable.
Glad to have you with us andhope you continue to be a part
of our family for theforeseeable future and if so,
please hit that subscribe button.
I am mohamed malay here with anamazing guest of the day maria,
how's it going?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm good.
How are you welcome?
Thank you, um.
Please introduce yourself whereyou're good?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
how are you welcome?
Thank you, um.
Please introduce yourself whereyou're from, how old you are,
what you do, so on and so forthI'm maria win, I'm 21, I just
moved to la from riverside.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was born in san bernardino.
And wait, what did I say?
How old you are yeah, I'm 21and then what you do.
I am a bikini barista.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
A bikini barista?
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So pretty much I work out in Orange County and you
can only really find these inOrange County or up in San Jose,
and we're known as theVietnamese coffee shops, but
we're a little more than just acoffee shop, okay, known as the
vietnamese coffee shops, butwe're a little more than just a
coffee shop, okay.
So, um, I wear a bikini or likelingerie, and then we're like I
(02:52):
want to say we're like onelevel below strippers because,
you know it, it gets fun inthere.
I don't know how much I can say,because I don't know how much
is you could say whatever youwant, but I mean it's fun, um,
so our job is to entertaincustomers, make sure they're
having a good time, bring theirdrinks and then, like we get
tipped.
So it's, it's the tippingindustry, so entertainment,
(03:16):
tipping that whole industry, andwe're open from like 7 am till
11 pm, and then weekends wereopen till midnight.
So we're not open like likeafter hours clubs like that, but
people still come like seven inthe morning and then they get
like lap dances and get coffeebefore work and then they head
(03:37):
on to work and it's a lot ofpeople.
It blows a lot of people'sminds because they don't see
anything like you think la wouldhave them, but they don't,
because it only really existsaround the vietnamese community
because, technically like havinglike two things in one is not
legal.
But because we're in thelocation that we're in um orange
(03:58):
county and it's a predominantlike vietnamese community, they
kind of let it slide becausethat's their like leisure and
entertainment.
So like cops will come in butas long the girls aren't naked
doing dances or like they don'tlike see any like drugs, then
like they'll clear it and thenthey'll go on about their day.
(04:19):
But like I've heard of somethat got raided and like shut
down and like girls have gottenlike ticketed and like fine and
like it's it's like a wholefiasco.
Like I know that some girlsthat like are on like this
registered sex offenders listjust for having their tits out
at work because, it's part ofthe job.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it's not legal what we do of the job right, but
it's not legal what we do.
But it's it pass.
It passes the rules for thehealth inspection and and
whoever comes into like the citycode yeah, exactly, somehow,
some way, and it's crazy yeahbut pretty much that's
(05:03):
essentially what I do, and thenI model as well.
So I'm out in LA, I do likephoto shoots, music videos and
whatever else I feel like I'mlike would be like a good
position for me to be in like ato build my portfolio or my
skills, just because, like Ilike there's like certain like
(05:26):
things I want to do, like withlike photographers.
Like I feel like on myInstagram now, like I'm like
very like IG baddie, but I'vealways like wanted to like get
more into like creative and likefashion and editorial, and so
that's like why I moved out hereand then just try to like
(05:46):
figure out how to get to thatnext step in my career so you
currently live in la, yeah, okay, and then you commute to orange
county for this, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So, and you're a dancer or you're just a?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm a waitress yeah, so pretty much our job title
that when we apply is uh like abarista position or, like you,
serve coffee.
Yeah yeah, so like.
And then there's like differentcafes where the girls have to
make the drinks, but at minethere's a kitchen lady in the
back that um makes the drinksfor us and so we just have to
(06:21):
bring it out.
Yeah, so that way, like, thedrinks can taste the same, have
the same consistency, becauseevery girl that makes it makes
it a little differently, likebecause I've worked at different
ones and there's like a bunchof them just all in, like, um,
the garden grove area,specifically, like out there.
There's some in anaheim andthen there's a couple up in san
(06:43):
jose up in the bay area, and somost of the clientele is
vietnamese yeah, I'd say likevietnamese white and like
hispanic, like that's like thetop three that I see when when I
go in there.
But every now and then we havelike middle eastern, we have
like african-american and thenblack, because I know there's
(07:05):
not very different things.
You know not very many whites alot of whites a lot because
we're in orange county, likewe're like sure connected to,
like mission viejo, irvine, likeall that, like the beach cities
, pretty much right, and youknow that's where the rich men
they live by the beach, you know, and they'll make the 15 20
minute drive.
I'm like, oh like, are you livelocally?
(07:26):
Or like I'm from long beach, orlike some people come from la
out of state, just to come thereoh yeah because, like it's,
it's a very low-key thing likestrip clubs.
you know about the strip clubsbut nobody really knows about
vietnamese coffee shops and it'sa trip for people.
Every time they come in herethey're like like oh, I just saw
this on Yelp.
I didn't expect there to benaked girls in here, or like
(07:47):
half naked girls in here, andI'm just like welcome Sun's out,
buns out.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So they come and they order coffee.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And then they ask for lap dances.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, or we bring it up because there's a lot of
there's.
We even have regular peoplethat come in, like people that
come in like three times a week,every day, multiple times
throughout the day, like younever really know.
And then, because we're also acoffee shop, people bring their
laptops and get their work done.
They're just like, yeah, Icould work at home or at
Starbucks, but this is betterbecause you get eye candy and
(08:21):
then you get some work done.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Like it's like this, assuming then you get some work
done.
Like it's like what does thismean?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
you could actually get work done yeah, I mean some
people, they, they don't mindthe naked girls, they're just
like.
I'll reward myself with a lapdance after better than looking
at a wall yeah, in a sense, yeah, and then, like we play like
hip-hop music, so, um, it's likewhat cardi b drake future.
Like we play like mainstream,like hip hop, like it's not a
(08:47):
cafe you go in and you're justlike listening to like
Vietnamese music.
Like we play from like hip hopto like EDM, like because, like
we, we're allowed to control themusic, like we're technically
the DJs in there, and then, likewe'll like choose our song that
we want to dance to, like whencustomers want to dance from us,
and then we'll just like gocrazy, you know our little like
(09:12):
two, three minute song and thenit'll like shuffle, play to like
whatever is like similar tothose songs, because we use
spotify and so it's cool andplus, like a lot, of, a lot of
strippers, like in the industry,like they come to the coffee
shops and they tell it like I'veheard both sides, like we have
it easier or like we have itlike harder, but what I've heard
(09:33):
like consistently is likecoffee shop, like we can make
good money like strippers but atthe same time, like compared to
like some strippers if you're,especially if you're a stripper
in the main club, like I'veheard strippers where they make
like three thousand, fivethousand, like it's just crazy
numbers, you know, and I'venever touched that personally in
(09:53):
the coffee shop, but I'vetouched like over a thousand in
like a shift, you know, and likeum, if you build like relations
with your customers, like youcan find a sugar daddy in there.
Honestly, I've, I've gotten somelike um people, yeah, some
offers and I'm just like whatyou know, like it's what were
(10:16):
these offers?
like just to be their sugar baby, like go out with them but like
how much were they offering you?
I think I've offered, like I'vebeen offered like two thousand
five thousand, like weekly orlike monthly, like around say
yes or no I said no, why becauseI know I have to give them some
sugar and I'm not trying to dothat all right interesting and
(10:39):
there was this one crazy thing Imet a customer and he was into
that whole like dominatrix thing.
He wanted me to be hisdominatrix.
He was like I will pay you likefive thousand a session to
degrade me and spit on me andand like um, just like, slap him
(11:01):
in the face holy shit and no,like there was this one time and
I know he was serious becausewhen he came to the cafe he was
like, oh, like can we go to thecar and do it?
Like I'll give you a tip, and Iwas like I was like iffy at
first because I'm like going inhis car, like I'm gonna be out
the safety of my like cafe shopand then I'm gonna go in this
stranger's car.
You know, it's like what aboutif I bring my friend and we
(11:25):
could both do it to you.
So we settled on that, me andmy homegirl went to the car and
then we set a timer for I thinkit was like three, five minutes
or something, and we were justtaking turns, like spinning on
him, like I was like grabbinghis head, I'd spit on him, slap
his face, turn his head, andthen she'd slap on him, slap his
(11:47):
face, turn his head, and thenshe'd slap him, spit his face.
It was like constant, like hereally just like wanted to like
get degraded by us and he's likeI want to be your sex.
Like he was blowing up my phone, like I had to like block him
you blocked him he was blowingup my phone.
He was like I just want to beyour personal sex slave.
I'll clean your, I'll wash yourcar for you, clean your house.
I'll like spoil.
You, just degrade me and teachme how, or like treat me how I
(12:11):
like, how you want to treat me.
And he was like looking like hewas looking for me to like wear
a strap and like peg him.
And that's why I was like likethat's an easy come up five
bands.
But I'm like morally, like howam I gonna take it morally, you
know?
Like I mean, like I feel likein the moment, like I was like
(12:34):
yeah, this sounds like a lot offun.
This is, this is the time I canreally like make a man my bitch
.
But I was just like I'm a sweetgirl, like I don't know, like
was just like I'm a sweet girlLike I don't know, like even
just like spitting on his faceand like like I just felt guilty
, like I felt bad, like I knowhe wanted it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But I'm just like this is not me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's not who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But at the same time it felt really empowering and I
think that's like the side oflike dominatrix that makes like
people enjoy that type of work,side of like dominatrix that
makes like people enjoy thattype of work.
They like like the power thatthey hold, because in the
relationship like he wanted tobe fully submissive to me, like
whatever I say goes, whatever Ido, he can't talk back to me,
(13:15):
like it was really that type ofthing and like I've I've looked
into like that whole likeindustry before and like there's
there's always like differentlevels and like different
boundaries and stuff like that.
And I'm just like if I touchinto this lifestyle, like how
deep am I gonna get?
you know because, like justbeing in the coffee shop
(13:36):
industry, like I think peoplelike see, like the lifestyle I
live and like how comfortableI'm able to live, they glamorize
it and like it's my fault toofor like glamorizing and only
showing the good parts.
But I I'm also very liketransparent about like the not
so good parts.
You know, like girls in thisindustry, like I've heard them
(13:58):
get killed, assaulted like youknow it's just dangerous, like
as in being in the like the sexwork industry, like when you
know like we are technicallylike sex workers, like whatever
a girl does, like I know there'ssome girls that don't do extra
services and then there's girlsthat do do extra services and it
just depends on like thementality and like and like
(14:20):
their hustle.
You know, because I know, Iknow girls that can like you
know like, know, like do meetupsand like not trip about it or
like they're desensitized tolike where it won't affect them
like as hard assomebody who's just gotten into
sex work for the first time.
You know, like people have beendoing this for like years, like
almost decades even, I've heardand so they're just at a point
(14:43):
where they can likecompartmentalize their emotions
separately from work and private.
You know, and like I try my bestto like compartmentalize it and
separate my private life frommy work life.
Like I have customers that aremy regulars, but they know I
don't do meetups, I don't buildfriendships with my clients like
(15:08):
outside of work, like I try notto do that.
Like I just keep it inside thecoffee shop and like just
standing like firm on thoseboundaries, like luckily, like
my customers, like they'rerespectful of those boundaries
because, like you're not likeworking in this industry, you're
gonna obviously attract likenot the best men, but there's
(15:28):
some that still like haverespect for us and then there's
men that just don't at all.
You know like we pretty muchlike we get paid a lot, a lot
more than just a regularstarbucks worker, but like just
like the mental, like turmoilthat we go home after.
You know like people come inthere with their pockets full,
(15:51):
they know to bring cash for usand they leave with their
pockets empty, but they'refulfilled.
We leave with our pockets fullbecause we just took their money
.
But like inside we feel empty.
Like it's that exchange, youknow, and it's like I've seen
girls like that have started inthe same time as me in the
industry or like came in like aslike a newbie, and I've just
(16:15):
seen like their eyes,specifically like you can, you,
you know, like eyes are like theportal to the soul.
I just like I've seen thesegirls like lose the light in
their eyes.
Like it's so crazy, like youknow, like you look at them,
they just kind of look like deadgone.
You know, like they're justlike kind of like surviving.
(16:35):
They're not really livinganymore.
And it's like I know those eyesbecause like I've been through
that, like I knew what it waslike to just be surviving and
not really living, you know, andit's it's crazy because it's
like I'm stuck in this lifestylenow, like I told myself I was
gonna use it to like push me,elevate me in life.
(16:55):
And it has like I'm where I'mat now because of like what I do
, like I'm able to affordeverything I want in life.
But it's like after you touchthat type of fast money, people
can't imagine going back to aregular job.
People can't imagine doing likean office job.
People dread it because they'reso used to that money.
But being in this industry,like there's, there's an
(17:17):
expiration date.
Once you get too old, once youstart like looking a certain way
, you can't, you can't keepbeing here anymore.
You know like because like thisindustry, like they want like
exotic girls, like all the girlsin there they look exotic at
least at like the hottest coffeeshops.
They have the prettiest girls,like I've seen other coffee
shops and I mean I'm not gonnatalk bad about them because
(17:43):
everybody has their ownpreference but just compared
like the clientele and then tolike the girls, like you can see
which one like is a good oneand then which one's not, and
then just like the amount ofcustomers.
Like I talk to all my customers, just like about the other
coffee shops, about the othergirls, like who their favorites
are and like which coffee shops,about the other girls, like who
(18:04):
their favorites are and likewhich club they are coffee shop
they frequent the most.
Because a lot of them they theycoffee hop.
Like.
Like like guys going tomultiple strip clubs in the
night.
It's guys going to multiplecoffee shops in the night trying
to see where it's at you know,yeah, and so it's like they be
telling me everything from likethe drama to like the history,
and then like everything, likeI've heard it all honestly, and
(18:28):
then it's like the stuff that Ikeep finding out.
I'm just like sometimes it'ssurprising, sometimes it doesn't
even really surprise me thatmuch anymore you know, and then
like, but like.
Another thing is like I've alsolearned how to like utilize my
position in like a good way,because I'm around like
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entrepreneurs people in likegood businesses have their own
business, or like they justthey're just rich and I go in
there and like, yeah, I'm tryingto entertain them, but I'm also
also like trying to pick theirbrain to see how they got so
successful where they're at.
You know, like I'm 21 right now, so it's like I'm not getting
(19:12):
any younger, like I haveofficially reached adulthood and
I'm, you know, like I'm peakingright now.
So it's like I'm trying to likepick the brains of these men
that come in here just to likeunderstand, like getting a
little financial literacy orjust a life lesson I can learn
without having to go through thehard part of it.
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You know, and it's like I'vegotten good advice.
You know like I'm I work thosemorning shifts.
It'll be customers that come in.
They're're like looking on likea website.
They're like, oh yeah, I'mtrying to buy another plane.
It's my hobby.
I'm looking at it with himhelping him choose.
It's like 500, 600, 700thousand dollar planes and he
does it as a hobby and I'm justlike what you know it's like
(19:58):
this is who I want to pick mybrain, or pick his brain like
want to learn, like how could helike set himself up financially
?
Because one thing likeeverybody gonna keep telling you
is like, when you're in thisindustry, save your money right,
because girls they'll blow iton bags, purses, clothes.
You know like I'm like I'mlooking like in the long run
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because I know my time is goingto expire in this industry.
You know like I don't even wantto stay till my expiration date
, like the faster I can get outthe better, because like I I
have like something I want to doin life, like or I have a good
picture not a clear picture, buta good picture and like I just
(20:39):
want to make sure like I'm notletting it go to waste.
You know, like because I I feelthe trauma, like I feel the
heaviness in like my spirit.
You know like I know this jobis gonna like ruin me in the
long run the longer I stay.
So it's like now it's like Ineed to like figure out how to
flip this money, invest thismoney so I can make more money.
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You know like rich people aregonna tell you make your money
work for you, don't don't workfor it, and so this it's.
That's where I'm at in liferight now.
I'm just picking at theseentrepreneurs brains and it's
like they've taught me so much,like I'm like learning how to do
my taxes this year.
I'm learning about like indexfunds, like they're telling me
(21:22):
about like crypto.
I mean, if I wanted to startbetting on parlays, and like
they're telling me about likecrypto.
I mean if I wanted to startbetting on parlays, and like
they could teach me too.
Like it's a whole lot of peoplethat come in to watch sports
because we have it on andthey're always watching the
screen making bets motherfuckersgoing.
They're like there's somepeople that are down like 30
bands or up like 50 bands justmaking these bets.
I'm like teach me, you know.
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And because'm a girl, they'lljust be like, yeah, you know
they'll be more open to teachingme, you know.
And it's just like it's a whole, like different world and it's
just like we have like privateparties and we have like the
regular coffee shop hours, andit's like it's been around for a
(22:04):
long time too and it's likeyou'd think it was in my culture
.
I would find out about itsooner, but I only found out
about the coffee shops about ayear ago and it's like a whole
different world.
And people ask me would youever be a stripper going to the
club?
And I'm just like I don't knowif I could do that.
(22:25):
You know, because I found whereI like.
They like me small, petite,asian, like I'm definitely one
of the favorites there.
I feel like you know BecauseI'm just their type, so it's
better for me.
I don't think I could go in theclub and start just being in
competition with the other girls.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm small.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'll never last in there, you know, and that's
another thing, like people thathave told me like there was just
so much hostility, so much,just like they were so
territorial.
I know, like the cafes, likedepending on which one you go to
it might be different, butpersonally the one I worked at
now, because like I like I don'tget any hostility from any of
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the other girls or like any likeanimosity from them, it's made
like the work environment likereally positive for me like even
though, like the men are likeconstantly like touching us and
just like talking our head off,like I feel, like the girls in
my job, we have each other'sbacks, you know.
And then I always tell, like thenew girls or like girls I work
(23:31):
with, like if you need anybodyto talk to, if you need anything
, call me, text me, you know,just because, like we, we really
just have to like look out forother.
Especially, these girls haveworked longer than me or about
the same amount of months as me,but it's like everybody has a
(23:53):
different story.
When going in there, honestly,I was living good at home, but I
knew I wanted more out ofmyself and so I went into that
industry.
But there's girls in there thathad to like fend for survival,
like they had to come up withrent, to like find like an
(24:14):
apartment to live in or they'regoing to be homeless or like
whatever their story is Likeeverybody has a different story
and it's like I'm like not oneto judge anybody in there.
Because, we're all like afterthe same thing money.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know.
And then there's the girls thatare hostile, territorial, don't
want you to make money fromtheir customer.
But then there's girls that'llcall you over, like I'm like one
of them there.
If I sit at a table, they don'tlike me, but they like another
one of my co-workers.
I'll be like, oh, what's yourname?
Or like what does she look like?
I'll call it over for you.
You know.
It's like it's the support thathelps, like all of us make
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money, you know, and it's it'sbeen fun.
Honestly, even now I'm thinkingI'm like what job can I work
that'll make me good money, likethis, or if not more.
You know, because I I droppedout of college.
I'm just like what?
I didn't even know what Iwanted to study for in college
(25:10):
and that's why I dropped out.
I'm just like, kind of likefloating around life seeing
where I make it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Was your family paying for college?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They were a little bit, but I was also paying on my
own because I was working tooand I was only working part time
.
I wasn't making much because Iwas at a minimum wage job.
So whatever money, like I wasshort, they would help me out
with it.
Because I was in um communitycollege and I graduated high
school early, at 16, by umtaking the chespi test or exam
(25:45):
or whatever.
So I was able to graduate ayear early and with like that,
like one of the requirements isyou go to um, a community
college for two years before youtransfer into a four year.
So it didn't delay like myeducation or anything by like
graduating early.
But I never finished eitherbecause I dropped out of college
(26:06):
.
But yeah, and like I wouldn'tsay I'm like stupid or anything,
like I feel like just otherpeople teaching me and then like
me like reading up on what Iactually want to learn, because
I'd rather learn what I want tolearn than have to sit there and
be forced to learn what I don'tneed to learn for like a piece
(26:29):
of paper.
You know, like I don't even usepythagorean theorem in real
life, so it's like not very manypeople you know.
So it's just like I likelearning, I like educating
myself, but on what I want tolearn about you know, because
it's good to have knowledge oneverything, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I can't sit there and just learn chemistry, just for
the sake of it.
I mean the education system isnot particularly made for
entrepreneurs.
Exactly, if you're trying to dosomething very specific in
becoming a doctor, becoming alawyer, then the school system
is, you know, the right placefor you but aside from that,
(27:23):
anything else, you have a betterchance of learning those things
in real life doing exactly yeah, day-to-day work than going to
school for it yeah so, um, Iknow a lot of people who you
know I talked to and I'm like oh, what are you doing?
they're like oh, I'm going tocollege, I'm going to school
what are you going you?
Know marketing business and I'mlike that's, that's the wrong
(27:46):
place to waste your money in.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, you know and it's like I feel like now this
generation, they're encouragingpeople to go to trade schools,
whereas, like college, yeah youknow, actually learn something
like towards your, like niche orlike your, whatever you're
going for like I went to a tradeschool too, like after I
dropped out of college I went tobeauty school after I got my
(28:11):
license to be an esthetician,and so I'm a licensed
esthetician, but I kind of neverreally did anything with it
because I just kind of like fellout of that career, like I fell
out of a lot of careers, justis that right, yeah, like I like
I used to have my um lifeinsurance agent license, so I
(28:33):
was like pretty much a what wasthe word?
a broker yeah or no.
I was an independent contractorbecause I wasn't directly with,
like any companies yet yeah,it's a broker and yeah, so like
my mom, she wanted me to go intothat because before she passed
that's what she was doing.
You know, like my family theycame up from like the nail shops
(28:53):
.
Like all we knew was the nailshop, like even my family now.
But it's like, and then, likegoing into esthetician, I was
like, oh yeah, I'm taking like alittle different approach, but
I could still be around myfamily because in the nail shop
you have the esthetician andthen the nail technicians right.
So for a little bit of the timeI was working with them, but it
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in like the where we were atlike back at home in um merino
valley, it's it's hard to buildlike clientele out there and
it's like nails and lashes weremore important than their skin.
Like out here I could haveprobably built like a little bit
more of definitely a clientlist, but also, like it's just
(29:38):
so much competition as well, youknow.
And then, kind of like goinginto coffee, I didn't, I didn't
want to go back to a regular joband figuring that out, but
honestly, like after like livingthrough coffee for a year, and
I'm just like, I'm ready for mynext step like, and so I want to
be calculative like andstrategic this time around, like
(29:58):
I don't want to just like putlike my efforts into something
just to get bored of it and thenlike go on to the next.
Like I've completed so many sidequests, like I'm ready for the
main quest quest, like I'm readyfor the main quest.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know, interesting .
So you said some of these girlshave, uh, some crazy stories.
What?
What are some of those storiesthat have happened, that I guess
people you're friends with orstuff that you've heard?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
yeah, so I mean I've heard like back in the day, so
before I worked at my coffeeshop, now I was working at the
original one.
And that original one is calledCafe Lou.
They were notorious.
They're the ones that startedit all, like the trends now.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All these other coffee shops.
They didn't match up to themback in the day because they had
private parties and, um, justlike a whole bunch of stuff.
And allegedly I'm gonna sayallegedly um, I guess, like back
(31:08):
in the day they used to pay forthe girls boob jobs oh wow, all
the girls, the og girls.
They're paid for their boobjobs and I don't know how true
this is so, but I heard likethey would make them work the
private parties to pay off theamount, the, the price of the
(31:30):
boob job yeah so these girlswere doing like the private part
and I heard the private partieswere crazy.
They had like naked sushi models.
They would bring in a pole andall the customers they wanted to
be there.
Whether it was like a mondaynight or friday night, it was a
full house regardless, like itwas always, like you couldn't
(31:51):
even get anywhere to sit.
And I heard, like back in theday those girls were making
$4,000, $5,000.
You know, like they were likegetting paid, like what the
strippers got paid.
Like now with inflation andeverything they got a little
cheap with us.
But back in the day, I feel likeback in the day before
inflation really got bad,everybody was just spending a
(32:14):
boatload of money on whateverstrippers, coffee workers,
bottle service, like just theywere just living like the the
dream that everybody on likesocial media is faking to live.
Now, because you hear aboutlike all the influencers that
like they're flexing all theselike nice things but they're
(32:36):
rentals, or like they're goingin debt to flex this lifestyle
off, you know, yeah, and it'sjust like people lived like that
back in the day and beforesocial media.
So it's not like you couldreally even flex.
I mean you could flex onfacebook that was like the
biggest thing of their time.
But they would have like yachtparties and like what else.
(33:04):
I've just I've heard it alllike they'd have like have like
penthouse parties Like it was.
Why would a girl?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
do this instead of stripping, and I know you said
your reasoning, but it seemslike some of these other girls
are, as you know, morallycorrupt.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
As somebody who would be a stripper, Because I hear
in the strip club, like anotherthing is the tax, because, like
we, every time we do a dance wegive, like pay, like a little
house fee and then at the end ofthe night we pay a house fee
and then every coffee shop'sdifferent, because there's some
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coffee shops that will pay youhourly on top of the tips you
make, like the first one.
I worked, it was like that andI get, I got to keep all my tips
.
I didn't have to tip out toanybody.
This one I work at now I kindof have to tip out to people,
but even that it doesn't compareto the strip club.
The strip club you have to tipout the dj, kitchen, bartenders,
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security manager, like it's,it's, you know, like you have to
tip so much and if you're notmaking that much in a night.
A good amount of it's gone atthe end of the night we tip.
It varies between five bucks to20 bucks depending on how bad
the tip jar is.
Because we also have a tip jarat the front and any customers
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that leave the tip on the tablethat automatically goes to the
kitchen.
But any tips that we get handeddirectly, that's us.
So at the end of the night orat the end of the morning shift,
whatever shift we get, we tipout what is short in that tip
jar divided by how many girlsare on shift.
So that's why the price canalways vary between like how
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much we pay at the end of thenight and so like we don't have
to tip security, we don't haveto tip a bartender or like
manager or anything like that.
Like it's it's it's a lot lessand like it's it's done out in
the open.
We don't have private rooms sowe don't do extra services, or I
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don't do extra services.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, you said some of the girls do.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, and usually that's when you go home with the
customer or leave with thecustomer or like schedule.
And that's common, I would sayso.
I mean, I don't think the girlswill like openly talk about
like what they do right you know, after hours or anything and
I'm I, I find I find stuff out,just just finding it out, just
(35:45):
have you're not friends you know, I'm not nosy like, I'm not
like asking everybody but you'renot friends with these girls
I'm I'm cordial with everybody.
I'm acquainted but you're notfriends I feel like there's a
difference between like a realfriend and the work friends.
They're my work friends sure,yeah, like yeah and like like
(36:05):
we'll talk about life here andthere but like at the end of the
day I still don't know thesegirls that well.
You know, like we could talkand be close as much as we want
at work, but you really neverknow.
Because like I'll like hear,hear stuff about one girl from
another girl and I'm just likedang, like I didn't even know
she was like that or likewhatever it is, you know, and
(36:27):
like I mean I'm not, I'm nothere to judge anybody.
So it's like it kind of justgoes in like one ear and out the
other ear for me.
Like I don't care to spreadanybody's business or like talk
bad about anybody, Just becauseI don't want to start drama and
I don't need drama, Because I'mjust here to make money and go
home and I think the girls arethe same way Because I mean,
(36:50):
I've seen drama pop off and itdoesn't make the work
environment good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
When there's drama, just girls like talking bad on
others or like trying to likeinitiate, like beef between
other girls.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What would?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
be the reason?
Just to mess with their money.
Just jealousy?
Because they're jealous, Likethey don't want a girl to make
more money than them, Just tomess with their money.
Just jealousy and envy.
They don't want a girl to makemore money than them, or they
had a falling out or something.
I mean I know girls with babydaddies and there'll be baby
daddy, baby mama drama.
(37:29):
Or one customer talked to agirl and then now he's talking
to a different girl.
So like that girl doesn't likethat.
Like just petty girl drama orsomething you know and just like
little stuff like that, LikeI've never seen like a fight
happen.
I don't think and I hope itstays that way.
(37:54):
Yeah, and like there there'salso asian gangbangers, like out
in oc, like what is asian?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
oh okay yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So there's, there's.
We're like right between gardengrove and santa ana, so one
side you got the hispanicsbeefing with each other, one
side you got the asians beefingwith each other, and then you
throw in like the other people,like blacks, whites, the other
random, but predominantly it'slike hispanic and asians out
(38:26):
there, and so like I mean I'vehad like rival gangs come in and
like press each other and likethe girls would like get in
between and like kick them outand, like before, like a fight
would ensue.
Because back in the day I heardlike at some some cafes I don't
know which one it was, but likeI guess like a customer got
shot and killed or like therewere multiple instances of that
(38:49):
happening.
They just catch the op at thecoffee shop, they're like it's
up, and then it's just like you,kind of just.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Do you guys have security at the door?
Patting people down?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
One of them did Like the one I used to work at.
First they had an armedsecurity Because it was like
there was so much stuff poppingback up Like back in the day but
it's tame now.
So they like don't need asecurity anymore and then so
they just have like the parkinglot security that like walks
around the parking lot and justwatches everything.
(39:22):
And then the coffee shop I workat now.
They don't have security at allbut, they have cameras
everywhere, like even out in theparking lot, so if a cop pulls
up like, they'll let us knowimmediately.
They're like go put yourclothes on or go hide in the
back or like don't do any dancesor whatever.
And then, yeah, like she'll,and there's always somebody
(39:44):
watching the camera, so it'slike you can't really like miss
anything right like becauseshe's like watching it, like a
hawk.
You know like, even when she'slike doing something, she'll
still watch the camera.
Just her hands, just like thislike her eyes are like glued to
that thing.
That's funny and so like.
And then like the customers,like they, they watch out for us
(40:06):
too.
Like they have our backs, likelike I have like a customer he's
a really good friend of minelike anything pops off, like
he's ready to go, like all I allI needed to say is like a safe
word and he'll like get up andlike start like handling it for
me, you know so he's in yourpersonal life no, um, like I'll,
(40:28):
I'll smoke with him, like afterwork and stuff, and like I'll
text him, like through Instagramor like stuff, but like he
doesn't even have my number andlike every person that customer
that I gave him, given my numberout to I've never texted them
back, or I did and then I go tothem Like I really like I tell
my customers I'm like you getRiri here at the cafe, outside
(40:52):
of it, you get maria, becausethat's my stage name.
So it's like I I feel like Icarry on a persona when I walk
in there, yeah, and then I'mmyself when I walk out and it's
I, I like keeping it that wayand so, in terms of that, like I
don't really make bonds withanybody because like there's
(41:13):
girls where they have like aseparate um account for their
like a work account.
You know where they have liketheir stage name, they post
their schedules and then they'lluse that directly to talk to
their customers and and milktheir customers or whatever, or
just like do what they do.
But I I just do main accountand my phone number and then I
(41:34):
just let people follow me andjust be my fan.
Like you are not my friend,yeah, but, um, I'd be thinking
about making just a separatework account just to interact
with my customers more right,just so I can milk them.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
but I don't know, I just well, how would you milk
them if you're not willing to doany of these exactly?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
yeah, because there's some people where they just
want to have a good conversationand just deepening, like the
connection you have with thecustomers.
Don't be more inclined to likebring you gifts or buy you food,
like, like, yeah, I don't doextra services, but I'll text
like um, some of my customers toinstagram like when I'm hungry.
(42:17):
I was like can you bring mefood?
Or like can you bring me, likewhatever I want?
and they usually do like they'rejust really sweet, you know,
like they're nice and likehonestly or simps yeah, and the
only people that I really liketalk back to are people that I
feel safe being around.
Like they're not like.
(42:39):
I mean, yeah, if I give themthe green light to like sleep
with me, they probably would.
But like as far as that, likethey know, like the boundaries I
hold, and because they respectmy boundaries, I can give them
that mutual respect in return soyou've never slept with any of
your clients there are some goodlooking ones that I would sleep
(43:02):
with.
I will not lie to you, becauseall types of ages come in there.
So like there's people likemore within my age group that I
would sleep, I would be like hekind of fine, let me go sit at
that table.
But it just doesn't get thatfar because I because they don't
push it that far, or or youdon't let it both okay, yeah
(43:23):
yeah, I, it's definitely like me, mostly like I would, just
because I these men get aroundtoo like Like they be sleeping
with multiple girls.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
How many people have you been with?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I haven't been with anybody in the coffee shop, but
Just in general.
In general I've had like oneserious relationship.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And then, like I've had like two, three trial runs.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Uh-huh.
And then, like I mean, I'vetalked to like countless like
people, just sure casually, butlike we've been like with like
four people yeah, I guess, likemy body counts is higher.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But at the same time.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
What is your body count?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
10, okay, 11, 12 something within that range yeah
, not more than 20, I know thatuh-huh, but yeah, and I just
people think like when I'm inthis industry and the work that
I post, like they think like Iwould be like easy, you know,
and it's like well define easyeasy to fuck because, like the
(44:33):
amount of men that come in mydms just to cat, like, hook up.
They're like, oh, come over, andit's like 8 pm at night, like
nobody really texts me, like, oh, like I want to take you out on
a date okay, so out of theselike 10 people that you've slept
with, right, how many of thesewere so?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
one of them was a serious relationship and the
three of them were short-termrelationship yeah, like a couple
weeks, like a month, couplemonths max.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
So that's like four, so you leave six people were
these six people just one nightstands I'd say it was high
school, when we were all likehorndogs and just hooking up
with random people You've sleptwith these, this body count,
okay, so when did yourrelationship end?
(45:20):
My longest one.
Yeah, okay, so it endedbeginning of this year, january.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay, so it's very recent.
How long was it for?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
A year and three months.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Okay, so you were 20, 19 to 20, and then I'm assuming
at some point you turned 21this year, yeah, and then.
So how many after you broke up,how many people have you been
with?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I've hooked up with two, two people two people after
I got out the relationship.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
And those were one night stands or they were just
people you were seeing sneakylinks.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Sneaky links.
I've saw him multiple times,but it was.
It was nothing like we weren'ttrying to like progress in, like
a relationship or anything, andwhere did you meet these people
?
Instagram uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So technically speaking, yeah it is that easy.
It's just you have to beattracted to them yeah, like and
like.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah.
I was definitely like afterlike my breakup I was like in
like my little like kind of likerevenge phase, like I was.
I was blasting Future, drakeand the Weeknd.
Like every day, I posted myApple music wrapped and they're
like oh, I know what kind ofperson you are Because those,
those were my top three.
I'm like lover girl turnedtoxic, like I don't know what
(46:52):
you want me to tell you.
But yeah, and it's just like,yeah, I could easily like sleep
with so many more men.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
But I just didn't want to like be so, like ready,
available, especially when themen just want to sleep with me
and they have nothing to offerme.
Because, especially like afterlike making, like the amount of
money that I've made and beingaround them, the people that
I've been around, like I didn'twant to settle for less,
especially after my lastrelationship you know, like I
(47:22):
didn't want to settle for less,like I, I'm an independent woman
, I'm a hustler, like I knowthat and I know I'm hyper
independent and I know that Iwould need somebody to make me
submit to them, or else it wouldjust be a competition of
dominance how would somebody getyou to submit to them?
Just by being able to take careof me.
(47:43):
Bro, like you, either have tolike financially not even just
financially, just emotionally,like like, yeah.
Physically emotionally like,yeah, like I want, like I'm like
every other girl, like I wantflowers, go on nice dates where
they plan it, or something likegoing over to a guy's crib like
it's boring after a while,especially when your apartment's
(48:06):
nicer.
Yeah, like I'll skip out, I'llstay here you know like, and
it's like yeah, like these guyslook good, but they're just eye
candy to me, just like how I'meye candy to them, like they
wouldn't think I have much tooffer them.
Or like they could try to milkme too, like they want a girl to
take care of them.
You know, they want a trick andI'm not a trick.
(48:26):
You know like.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
You know like, but I mean it's.
It sounds like what you desireis Something that, in turn,
wouldn't desire you, though.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, but I know it's because I'm emotionally
unavailable.
So it's what I keep attracting,like after my last relationship
, like I really like really hadto work on healing and I don't
think I'm to that point whereI've been able to open myself
back up to feeling loved yet,and so in terms of that, it's a
(49:11):
repetition of the men I keepmeeting are emotionally
unavailable, broke and remind meof my ex and I'm just like well
now that I learned, just likewell now that I learned my
lesson, now that I know my worth.
Oh, sorry, now that I know myworth, like I I don't want to
settle for less.
Like I don't want to just hitme up, I don't want to be a
booty call.
You know like I could be, andthere are times where I have
been just because I wanted tofuck him, but for for the most
part, like I'm looking for likesomething more, especially
(49:34):
because, like I feel like mydownfall is like being in a
relationship, like every timeI've given myself too much when
they couldn't give me the same,like mutual, like respect or
just energy.
You know Like when, like I love, like I love hard, you know I
want to give my everything to aperson.
(49:54):
You know like when, like I love, like I love hard, you know I
want to give my everything to aperson.
You know like I want to beloyal and just duck away and
just let it be all about us, orwhatever you know, and like my
past relationships, I've beenlike done wrong, got cheated on
or just like just through likethe whole turmoil.
You know I've dealt with likenarcissist people and like so
(50:15):
it's like the first red flag Isee.
Like I usually just like, oh,you're cut out and maybe I'm not
giving men a chance to provethemselves, but at the same time
, like I don't think these menwant to prove themselves to me
either, because I don't thinkthey, men, want to prove
themselves to me either, becauseI don't, I don't think they
want to see anything with me andthat's why, like I'd rather
(50:37):
just not like have, have likemeaning of meaningless sex with
the person you know, because Ifeel like when I've hooked up
with people, I've kind of justfelt awkward.
After I'm like, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, there's no emotional connection.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Exactly.
I'm just like what was thatreally for, you know?
Like because it was a reallypleasure to me if I couldn't
connect with a person on anintimate level.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know, on an emotional level, and that's why
I'm just like I'd rather staycelibate and then like find
somebody where I can connectwith them like intimately and
all like three aspects, or liketwo aspects, what it is like
spiritual, mental, physical yeahso three and like that's just
(51:23):
kind of like how I carry myselftoo, like people will see me
naked, half naked, just shakingmy ass on like Instagram or in
person.
They're just like oh yeah,you're probably easy.
And I I feel like that'sanother thing because I just I
get offended when people thinklike I would be easy to fuck why
(51:44):
?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
why would that offend you?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm like do you think I don't have any values, or is
it just a project that is?
That is what that?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
but that's what equates to that line of work.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Is lack of values.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, and that's what it is Like.
I know what I signed up for.
Like there's girls in thisindustry that have boyfriends.
And then there's people that aresingle, like me, and then I'm
just like, now that I'm in thisindustry, I'm single.
I'm like, damn you know.
And it's like customers ask meall the time they're like do you
(52:21):
ever think you could have be ina relationship working here?
Would your boyfriend ever becool with you working here and
this and that, and I'm like I'veheard it all, you know and I'm
just like I've been that toolike when I was in my
relationship this past year,like I was working at the coffee
shop but I wasn't doing all thestuff, like I wasn't doing
(52:41):
dances or showing like my body,like my boobs off or whatever
for these men, like I was justkeeping it cute and like, yeah,
I would flirt with them, cook upa good conversation with them,
but I, like I had respecttowards my relationship and so,
like I didn't do anythingfurther, even though, like,
(53:04):
doing those can make me bettermoney.
And then there's girls that likehave boyfriends that are cool
with, like them working in thisindustry, or like they kind of
like feel uncomfortable but theylet their girl do what they
want, you know.
And then girls have told me andthey're like, yeah, like my
boyfriend knows, I work here andI just tell him straight like
(53:26):
what I do with like in my lifeis on me, what you do is on you.
You know, like they try not tolike dig into each other's like
kind of like business life sureand just keep like their
personal selves, you know, andlike it works for some, not for
others, right, and then whateverso you do, you do only fans.
(53:51):
I used to, but I don't reallygo on there anymore.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (53:57):
It was just like too much to keep up with, just like
working on top of like, havingto like post and then text back
messages and this and that, likeit was just like getting too
much, and I hate flirting withmen that I don't want to flirt
with.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Why don't you just get a manager?
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, I mean, I did have one like helping me out for
a little bit, but it was justlike I didn't even like take
pictures, like I didn't evenhave content for them to like
use.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
But why wouldn't you get content?
Speaker 1 (54:34):
I was just lazy, like I was just like, like I don't
feel like posting up, right, soyou think, like the body shop,
just showing up doing the thingand yeah, instead of like having
to like plan this content andthen like push it up and like
record and like plan it like I'd.
I'd rather just do it and go andlike after.
Like I was like focused in mycoffee shop, like it was like
(54:55):
kind of hard for me like focuson other things.
Like it definitely like drainedme a lot some days more than
others, like some some days werelike more mentally draining
than others and stuff do.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
The other girls who work there also don't have only
fans.
Is that the reason why theydon't do it?
Speaker 1 (55:12):
no, some girls have only fans too, like I feel, like
a majority of people that workin coffee.
They definitely have only fanstoo.
Like it's it's good way to makeextra money, you know, and it
just depends on how consistentthey are.
I know there's other girls thatare actually consistent, and
then there's me where I justlike um, I just don't want to
(55:35):
deal with it yeah, I just reallydid not want to deal with it
anymore and it was just like, itwas just so like odd, like just
chatting with men yeah, like.
And then, like the requests arelike oh, like, I want to see
your toes like, but like, andthen, like I think there was
(55:57):
like a guy that wanted me tolike, send him like the
smelliest like pair of heels Ihad, or something.
It's just stuff like that like.
Yeah, like in terms it's goodmoney, but I just I think about
it.
I'm just like.
I just feel so weirded out bythis.
You know, like there's peoplewho just say like, fuck it and
(56:18):
like.
There's times where I'm, I'mlike that, but then there's
times where I just kind of lookat this, I'm like you're one.
That's a weird kink to have.
You know, stuff I've heard andand seen and then just like
(56:40):
what's the weirdest camp you'veever heard of?
I feel like there's guys, thatthere's a there was, I think it
was like a guy that came in andhe was like checking out the
girl's belly buttons to see whohad like a pretty belly button
(57:00):
and not so pretty belly button.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And it.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
I know because the top, the top weirdest story was
that story.
I told you earlier about thedominatrix situation.
That was the weirdest one.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
So how much did you get paid for that?
Speaker 1 (57:18):
he was offering like uh five thousand a session for
for that specific session thatyou guys did yeah, no, no, no,
like, like the, like the futuremeetups, like the, that one, I
think.
Like I got like like 30 or 40bucks tip just to like do that
(57:42):
to slap him and spit on him yeah, yeah, and then, like it ended
quick but like for like thefuture, like that was just like
the little test run, yeah, tosee if we were like serious or
not.
But like he was like, oh, like,if you guys are actually
serious about this, like everylike session we set up, I'll pay
you five thousand each andit'll be like an hour session or
(58:05):
like two hour session, I think.
Like he owned like a company orlike his family owned a company
or something, but it's justlike he had money.
So like he owned like a company, or like his family owned a
company or something, but it'sjust like he had money.
So like he would like tell us.
He's like yeah, like I havemoney, like I want you to do
this to me and this and that.
(58:27):
And it was crazy because, likeafter I blocked him on my number
, he tried to text me on likewhatsapp because, like my
connect and my numbers likeconnected to it.
He's like do you have cash appor apple pay or paypal?
My connect and my numbers likeconnected to it.
He's like do you have cash appor apple pay or paypal?
Like I think he was like tryingto send me money so I could
like unblock him or somethinglike he was blowing up my phone
like crazy, like like why?
Speaker 2 (58:47):
why not just do the minimum, or why not?
I mean, the one thing you couldhave done was hire another girl
to do the work for you.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, I could.
I don't know.
It's just I get so weird out bylike these, like things, that I
don't even want to do itanymore.
I think that's my thing, likeI'm just, like You're ready to
get out yeah.
You know, like some of thesegirls, they'll have fun with it.
Like I've definitely seen girlsthat are like okay with it.
(59:21):
I'm like like do you get anylike trauma?
Or like some girls be sayingit's fun, they love doing it.
You know, yeah, only do it ifyou're passionate about it.
Like there's people that do itfor survival and they do it if
you're passionate about it.
There's people that do it forsurvival and they do it because
they're passionate.
I hear both sides.
I've seen both sides.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Next time you come across one of these people who
wants to do something you don'twant to do, just go find one of
the girls who wants to do it andbe like.
This is what I'll take 20%commission.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I'll start my own little dominatrix agency.
No, yeah, but yeah, and it wasjust like I was down to do it.
But he was just texting me toomuch, to the point where I'm
just like I don't want to likehave to constantly text you.
(01:00:14):
Yeah, I'm just like I just needto cut you off.
Yeah, and it was just like theway he would text.
It was weird.
He's like do you want to knowmy deepest, darkest secret?
Can you please text me back?
Like answer me, call me, callme back.
Like are you there?
Like it was just like constant,like every like two minutes,
call me multiple times, text memultiple times, just like if I
(01:00:35):
didn't answer, like I was justlike this is too much, bro.
Like if, if I have to deal withthis before our meeting set up,
I'm gonna just cut you off.
And that's what I did, you know, because it's like there's a
response.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
You just go send me a hundred dollars so I respond to
you yeah, I tried doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
He, he would literally not do that.
I'm like, okay, you're done,you're done like you said that
to him yeah, I'm like you gottatext me, you gotta like cash out
me for me to like answer youback at this point, like I
literally told him straight up,like you're annoying me, but
like shut the fuck up, like stopblowing my fucking phone up.
Like I'm busy, like you know,like I got shit to do and it's
like you over here like what,who's paying this phone bill?
(01:01:16):
You or me?
Like, why are you blowing up myphone right now?
You know how much verizoncharges, bro.
I'm like, so I just blocked himvery interesting life.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Very interesting life um all right final question.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
All right, final question Is the green bubble a
red flag.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
What is a green bubble?
You know, when you textsomebody and they text you back
and there's a green bubbleinstead of a blue bubble.
If somebody has an Android, isthat a red flag?
Would you not date someone?
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Because of their phone.
I used to think like that, butnow, being in the coffee shop,
some of these guys don't haveiphones, they'd rather stick
with samsung.
And I'm just like as long asyou got money, I'm not gonna
judge you what phone you get.
You know, like a phone's a phone, you need to communicate with
people yeah, you know but I meanI guess you'd have to send me
cash on zelle because you can'tuse apple pay.
(01:02:24):
I mean that's my only worry.
Hey, if you don't got apple pay, I got venmo paypal zelle cash
app, like it's.
So having an iphone isn't theend of the world.
I mean, green bubble is only ared flag if I got blocked,
(01:02:45):
making sure I didn't get blocked.
But no, I don't really judgepeople huh, good for you.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Thanks so much for coming on.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Yeah, of course, absolutely.
Thanks for watching.
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