Love, Boundaries, and Business in The Adult Industry ft. Angela Mazzanti & Jake Shipwreck - Ep.086 - Unattainable Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's honestly crazy how like similar we both are
like down to like we have likesimilar tattoos in the same
exact spot.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Basically, he had been on my block list for like
six years uh, due to my ex whenyou know how to make yourself
happy and you work on yourselfand you you wake up every day
like, hey, I like the guy I seein the mirror which I never
thought I would find, then Ifeel like you don't really need
validation.
The biggest flex is having a hotass girl if you're really into
what you're doing, like youdon't have time to be like I'm
gonna.

(00:27):
You're so in your head andyou're like all these things are
processing in your head andyou're so like internally
thinking about how you're gonnamake it work and you're busy
actually doing it rather thantalking about it.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know Once you do cross the line of like going
into nudity and going fartherand farther.
It's like everybody keepspushing you more and more.
There's a lot of girls who are,you know, just turning 18, 19,
like wanting to get into likethe porn or adult entertainment
industry and are so unaware ofso many things that do go on
sometimes haters are the bestmotivator the reason why my past

(00:59):
relationships didn't work outwas because I want to be able to
do what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I want to live my life the way I want to live.
So when I saw her, I'm like,yes, this is the woman that I
want, someone that hasconfidence, someone that does
whatever the fuck she wants todo.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Welcome to unattainable.
Glad to have you with us.
I'm your host, zach Evans, andfirst of all, thanks to all our
listeners.
We've been getting a ton ofgrowth over the last couple
months and we got to thank youguys for that.
Today we've got a couplespecial guests on the show.
This is Angela and Jake.
Why don't you guys go ahead andintroduce yourself?
We'll start with Angela.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
So my name's Angela Mazzanti, I am a content creator
on Instagram and TikTok and inthe cannabis space, and then I
do OnlyFans and I have aclothing brand called Nowhere
Fast, awesome, awesome do.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
OnlyFans, and I have a clothing brand called Nowhere,
fast, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Awesome and Jake.
My name is Jake Shipwreck.
I own four barbershops and Icreate TikToks and Instagram
videos with my girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Awesome, awesome, pretty much.
And did you guys meet throughthe influencer space, kind of
thing?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sort of, but not really Okay.
I mean, we've known each other,we've known about each other
for like a really long time.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But I would have to say what brought us together was
, you know, we're old fashioned,so what brought us together was
Tinder.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, Surprisingly you know, interesting.
But it's crazy that you guysare kind of very much in the
same field where it's this, youknow, knowing how the algorithm
works and building your businessand building your brand online
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's honestly crazy how like similar we both are
like down to like.
We have like similar tattoos inthe same exact spot.
That like we didn't know eachother and we got them to like
our businesses.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Or really know anything about each other,
because she had me blocked forlike four years.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, blocked.
Okay, hold on.
What's the story behind this?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So okay, Do we get into like the whole I mean not
specifics, but we can get intoit, yeah yeah, so basically he
had been on my block list forlike six years.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Uh, due to my ex, we had like locked eyes at a like a
crosswalk from this barbershophe used to work at and saw him a
little bit after that likingall over my instagram.
My ex didn't like that so muchbecause I mean, look at him and
obviously a huge threat.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I guess, yeah, yeah, at the end of the day,
yeah, I guess I was.
Yeah, good looking guy tattoos,bad boy, look, you know yep and
then.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So yeah, I blocked him.
We had like come across eachother too, like at the gym, in
random places, and just likeignored each other.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and then she did like a photo shoot with one
of my exes.
Oh yeah, I'd like hired her fora photo shoot and those
pictures are still likeeverywhere, so we still have
that.
But um, and then I becamesingle for a while and, uh, I
was single for probably like ayear, and then she became single
.

(03:47):
And that's when I had saw her onon um tinder, yeah, and then uh
super liked her, and then, andthen I saw it, and I was like
this you're like, and then I waslike this was your opener.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Hey, why am I still blocked?
I think it probably was you gotinto like that pretty quick,
because I've been.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I then went on my block list and I was like all
right, like I'll, I'm blockingnow but.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But the moral of the story is that we had no idea,
like, what each other had beenup to for like six years, like
four, you know, like.
So it's like one of thosethings where we didn't even know
that, like I didn't even knowshe had a clothing brand, she
didn't know that like I was likegetting the same tattoos as her
, as like vice versa, you know.
So it's weird that we've kindof been living like this
parallel life without evenknowing it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
You know that is crazy, do you?
Uh?
Do you guys believe thingshappen for a reason?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
like the universe 100 brought it together yeah, and
at the right time too yeah, yeah, yeah, because I feel like this
is too big of a coincidenceyeah, and if we had met like
earlier, like I, would havefucked it all up by now, for
sure same I had to like learnsome crazy shit, you know,
before I got a real one, youknow no, I did the same thing,
man.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I went through a very long fuckboy phase, oh yeah, uh
, and then finally kind ofgraduated from that and and you
know, it was fun for a while.
But also a lot of fun there wasa lot of also like doing it for
insecurity and validation.
Oh yeah, for sure, yeah well,that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Bro, everyone what he wants to be like.
We all want that validationright From somebody, but after a
while you're like I don't needthat.
When you, when you know how tomake yourself happy and you work
on yourself and you you wake upevery day like hey really need
validation from anybody else,because you're like I'm just
happy I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
And it's also how many times do you have to fuck
some girl and then tell yourfriends you fuck the girl and
then feel cool and like, like.
Eventually you tell yourfriends and like, you realize
nobody gives a fuck yeah, no one, literally nobody cares that
you fuck some hot chick.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's cool when you're like.
It's cool when you're like 24,25 like, but then you're like
I'm like a 30 year old man withbusinesses.
I'm telling my homies andthey're like they start looking
at you like okay, like what thefuck are you supposed to have?
Like I'm like like let's talkabout your credit, like what?
Like what we're supposed totalk about?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
so I also think it's a bigger like.
Back in the day, in my 20s, Iwould probably thought the
biggest flex is like oh, everynight you have a new chick,
right.
But now I think the biggestflex is having a hot ass
girlfriend.
Because then it's like oh, itwasn't just, she was drunk at
the time and horny and you guys,whatever smashed it was like oh
, no, she like fucks with you.
Because you got your shittogether, you're successful.

(06:16):
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Xyz reason especially just like not even just like
having a hot partner, but likehaving a hot partner who's
driven, who has like the samegoals as you do, the same
ambitions like that's hard tofucking find yeah, for sure,
especially in la, where it'severybody has fake ambition, you
know oh, yeah, oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, we're just.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
We're literally just talking about that like fake la
in general just is or howhorrible it would be to date
like inside of la yeah becauseI've always dated outside of my
state.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like I was like, oh, I'm going to get some of that,
it's not even in California, andshe said that she's never
really really dated too manypeople inside of LA.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So yeah, yeah.
So how did you?
I'm curious about your guysstarting your businesses and
stuff.
You guys are both verysuccessful crushing it.
You got four locations rightfor your barber company and then
huge following, obviously youhuge following fashion brand,
everything else.
So, like we'll start with you.
How did, how did that all start?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
so I've been in like the modeling industry,
especially in like the tattoospace, for like 12, 13 years,
and I've modeled for like everyalternative kind of brand that
there probably is out there.
Um, I got really tired of likemodeling for everybody else and
not having like something of myown.
And then, especially when I hadlike started my only fans, I

(07:31):
had so much like income comingin that I was like what do I do
with this, instead of justwasting it on stuff?
So I started investing thatmoney into a clothing brand.
That like was my vibe, thatlike I wanted to pursue with
like girls that I've no likeevery influencer I feel like at
this point.
So having like that huge,massive amount of girls, my

(07:53):
clothing brand, I was like whynot?
Um, and then where I reallyfound my footing, though, was
doing it in the like festivalindustry.
So doing large scale metalfestivals with my clothing brand
is like been where I've seenthe most success.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Awesome, awesome.
And how did you figure out?
Because when I look at likeyour page right or in just even
just like how you look, youunderstand personal branding
better than probably most peoplewho go to school for business
or something like that Like, didyou go to school for this?
Did just figure it out.
Was it just hard work?
Do you have a mentor?
Like how did you kind of putthe pieces together?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
no, I mean, like I have a lot of friends in the
industry so, like you learn likewhat to do, what not to do,
from a lot of other people.
But I've really taught myselfmajority of this like on my own
because, like when I starteddoing Instagram and social media
, there wasn't really like aguideline of like this is how
you do it.
It's just like you startfiguring it out as it comes.
Like I went to schooloriginally for I want to be a

(08:52):
cop and I joined the Air Forceand was in the Air Force for
like two months, if that, andwas like all right, I don't want
to do this, got out and waslike I really don't know what I
want to do with my life and Iended up getting posted shortly
after that on this websitecalled is anyone up?
um, I'm not sure if you'refamiliar with that I'm not no so

(09:13):
there used to be back in theday, like when, like myspace was
a whole big thing, there wasthis website called is anyone up
?
And you could, I guess, likeessentially, like post
somebody's nudes on there tolike slut shame them or whatever
.
Um, like you could put bountiesout for people that were also
in, like, say, you want to seejeffree star's nudes?
Post like, hey, who has jeffreestar's nudes?
There'd be like a bulletin.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
People would post that a bulletin yeah, it's like,
it's like yeah this was likemore like, because we're we both
are from like the metal, likeemo kind of scene phase, so it
was like big within thatcommunity like dudes in bands
and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
So yeah, you could see like any band members dick.
You could see like any scenegirls tits.
So I ended up getting posted onthere and by me.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's the real reason.
That's the real reason.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, I'm just kidding, and that's what kind of like
started my like dive into socialmedia I was was like getting a
lot of followers, obviously alittle bit of hate too, but you
run with it, you're like allright, like start doing modeling
after that, and then just kindof all started happening after
that.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Up and up from there and LA, because I'm from
Wisconsin originally and like Iwent to school for music
originally, because I'm fromwisconsin originally and like I
went to school for musicoriginally and it's just like la
, you will just meet peoplerandomly at some party and
they're just like oh yeah, likeI have like two million tiktok
followers, I have this, yeahit's like great where you like
you live in a different state,like it's not gonna happen, like

(10:38):
, so the opportunities are there.
But you also capitalize from thestandpoint of like you're're
doing shit.
You know where.
Some people will network andtell you about their new crypto
app that they're going to start.
We have, we're looking forinvestors and I'm like we
haven't done anything like youhaven't put in the work, but
you're trying to pretend likeyou're like a little you know

(10:59):
all the way up here, but youguys are actually, you know,
putting in the work.
It looks like.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, looks like.
Yeah, I mean literally like.
Right before we came here I waswas working at one of my shops,
covered in fucking drywall likeputting up lights.
You know I'm firm believer.
You don't talk about somethingyou can't tell it's done yeah, I
like that.
Shut the fuck up but it's notlike I'm like going out like
just work in silence, like, ifyou're really into what you're
doing, like you don't have timeto be like I'm gonna.
You're so in your head andyou're like all these things are

(11:25):
processing in your head andyou're so like internally
thinking about how you're goingto make it work and you're busy
actually doing it rather thantalking about it.
You know so, especially whenyou're talking about older, when
you are talking about earlier,when you get older, it's like
you you just learn these things,like when motherfuckers are
just talking or when people areactually doing it, they're not
gonna really be talking about itthat much, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, and then your bullshit meter gets finally
tuned in la yeah, you can figureit out.
Yeah, you're full of shit.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
You're full of shit, all right, this one's a real one
yeah, exactly, we come to learntoo, like the people who, like
I don't know, you can't like sayyou're gonna do something
because you don't know what'sgonna happen.
You don't know, like, what lifeis gonna throw at you sometimes
, and like, let's say, you'relike blowing up this whole idea
of like I'm gonna do this, thisand this, and then, like
something happens in life andyou can't.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
So it's like, unless you like actually take the time
to do it and then, once you'vedone it, then talk about it and
it's cool like us being togetherbecause she'll have she'll have
like this huge opportunitycoming her way and then we'll
both collectively agree like,okay, shut the fuck up like
don't say shit, don't tellanybody and she's like, yeah, no
, I'm not gonna fucking sayanything to anybody.
I'm like, yeah, don't.
And then when it pans out andwe iron everything out, then

(12:33):
drop it.
You know, until then I was likeit's just funny that we both
like, yeah, okay, shut the fuckup.
Now, like you got theopportunity, it's here.
When it's signed, stilldelivered, then we can tell
people about it yeah, and thenit's almost better because you
get the surprise factor.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, and everyone's like wait, what the
fuck you're doing this?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
you know it's kind of big time news at that point
nowadays too, I think you evenhave to be careful by who you
tell certain things to, even ifit's like wins or like business
stuff, like no, yeah, be carefulsure.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
How was the?
So what?
When did you start on OnlyFansand start that?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
So I started in like 2020 when, like the pandemic was
perfect time to start.
Yeah, I started seeing all myfriends on there was hearing
about how much they were making,like all of them were
influencers and like I've beenposting like lingerie pics and
bikini pics and stuff for solong, I was like I'm like
halfway there, like you knowknow, why not do it?

(13:26):
But I really feel like I'vegeared my page in like a really
good direction, because Iactually don't I don't do nudity
on my page for myself but I do.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Only fans are on your instagram.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I'm only really interesting but I do a lot of
like fetish based content.
That's like very particular.
So I do like a lot ofdominatrix work, um, and I feel
like I've really set myself upin a good space to not do it,
and not there's anything wrongwith like you know anyone who
does anything on there, but it'sjust such a fine line because

(13:57):
once you do cross the line oflike going into nudity and going
farther and farther, it's likeeverybody keeps pushing you more
and more, whereas, like now,everybody's just waiting to see
like when am I gonna see a titty?
When am I gonna see her likeget railed by her boyfriend?
Like when am I gonna see this?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
it's like teasing that almost holding back, and
that it is interesting becauseprobably, if you're like, all
right, next friday I'm droppingthe first nude, you'd probably
make a ton of money off of that.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Oh yeah, it's like when we both decided that, or
when we both for the first timethat we posted anything together
on it.
It was like a huge month forher.
You know, crazy.
Oh, I bet.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I bet Were you just like, did you just see the check
start coming in?
Like what the fuck?
There's this much money on here.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Literally took a vacation right after that.
I bet I bet.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, it's interesting.
So I worked in the modelingindustry for about a decade and
we started off in like thefashion modeling space and then
we started moving more towardlike the influencer side of
things and toward the end likeit was just incredible to me how

(15:06):
much more money there is inboth the influencer space and
only fans than in, like thefashion world and I'm I'm just.
I don't know how these fashioncompanies are still in business,
like the, the fashion modeling,like agencies and stuff like
that because I'm like there'sjust not that much work out
there.
You know now ai models are goingto be a thing it's like, but
the influencer space, the onlyfan space, is still very much
popping off sex sells man it'sthe truth.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I heard it as a kid.
I never really quite got tograsp it.
But sex sells, dude.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I think that's very evident, dude well, just like
the porn industry in general,it's so massive like people have
no problem paying for that kindof stuff, and especially when
you can see your favoritecreator like doing whatever,
making fun of whatever kink youhave, like degrading you,
whatever the case is, you knowyeah, I remember when it first

(15:52):
came out.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I remember thinking nobody's gonna pay for this.
There's so much porn online forfree.
And then it just blew up andnow I do get it.
When I like look at kind oflike the marketplace and it's
like, yeah, yeah, people, yeah,there's free stuff everywhere,
but people want to see theirfavorite influencer oh, this
specific girl, especially if youknow how to like chat and like
talk in the DMs and everythinglike that, I see why it happens.

(16:19):
Huge positive in the adultspace from the standpoint of.
I've heard so many horrorstories from the porn industry
of like oh yeah, I came in to dothis and then they pressure me
to do more.
I didn't want to do it but thenthey said, oh well, the gigs
might dry up if you don't dothis crazier thing.
And then people do things theydon't want to do.
Where OnlyFans you can dowhatever the fuck you don't even

(16:41):
you know, get nude, and you canjust choose whatever level that
you want to go to.
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, I think it's really important too for, like
you know, there's a lot of girlswho are, you know, just turning
18, 19, like wanting to getinto, like the porn or adult
entertainment industry and areso unaware of so many of the
things that do go on.
Like I was just when we were atwe were at avn last weekend and
talking to some of the girls andthey were telling me, like yeah
, some of these companies dothey scam these girls somehow

(17:10):
and tell them like oh, this ishow much you're getting paid,
and it'll be like somebodycasting other people and they
take a percentage off of thatwithout the girl knowing, or
just like, and they think, ohcool, like I'm getting paid to
do this, but they could bemaking more or I don't know,
they just use them becausethey're so unaware of, like,

(17:31):
what's really going on in theindustry.
Or, like you know what theycould be getting, or just taking
advantage of, whereas, likeonly fans, like you can do
whatever you want, whateveryou're comfortable with, and it
can work yeah, I know thattotally makes sense.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
It's interesting.
I dated one girl that didOnlyFans in the past and she
said she made way more off ofthe um like people asking for
specific things versus like thesubscriptions.
Is that the kind of the same?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Well, I feel like my contentdoes really well based on like
custom orders, um, or likepay-per-views, so I don't really
post too much on my wall.
I do more like pay-per-viewkind of stuff and we send out
like uh, what is it like collabsthat I do a lot of the time, or
like the customs because peopleare?

(18:17):
My industry is so kink driventhat I have like some of the
weird not weirdest, but some ofthe most interesting kinks yeah,
that come through my requests.
So it's like very, veryspecific, oh yeah like yeah,
yeah um, so I have.
I have one dude specifically, ora couple dudes where, uh, it's

(18:39):
cei which is come eatinginstructions, so they want me to
tell them how I want them toeat their own cum.
So it'll be like, oh, I wantyou to come into a dog bowl and
lick it up like a fucking dog.
Or, um, I want you to hold upthis picture of my little tiny
dick and make fun of it and liketell me how fucking pathetic I
am.
Um, yeah, I've had like creampie ones, but all they want me

(19:05):
to do is just like cream piemyself with like whipped cream
pie really it's reallyinteresting like it's just what
they're into yeah, I don't.
I don't get it.
Even like the cuck one is a bigone where they want me and jake
to make fun of them or like tome, me to be on Jake and be like
degrading him.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Interesting.
I have heard this thing that alot of like powerful people,
like CEOs or like stuff likethat, a lot of times they like
to be dominated or stuff likethat, because they're like their
entire day for their business.
They like have to run Shouldthey have to be in control?
So they want to like let go ofthat control and have somebody
else take control.
Have to run should they have tobe in control.
So they want to like let go ofthat control and have somebody
else take control.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, that's, it's definitely true.
I don't know too much of likewhat my subs do in their normal
life, but I can imagine that notmany people know like what they
want behind the scenes, evenbecause I know there's a lot of
them too that like even in theirdating life, they don't want to
tell their partner like hey,hey, I'm really in defeat and
you know, or I'm really intohumiliation, or they don't want

(20:08):
to have that conversation, butthey still have that, that kink.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Get it taken care of in some way, kind of thing yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Because there might be a worry of like oh what if
this person thinks I'm weird forthis?
Or they might just prefer theirpartner to be more, I don't
know it their partner to be more, I don't know.
It's just a different waybecause, like for me, I'm very
dominant, especially with women,or on my only fans I'm very
dominant, but when it comes tome and jake, like, I'm very,
very submissive interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
so it's like a power dynamic too yeah, and when you
guys first started dating, didyou have any hesitation of of
her doing OnlyFans and how thatmade you feel.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, so this is all.
This is new for me.
Like I'm 100% a barber, likethat's what I've always done,
like I've been all over theworld cutting hair.
I love my barber shops and Ihave never dated anybody that
did OnlyFans.
But what attracted me to her was, like the reason why my past
relationships didn't work outwas because, um, I want to be

(21:09):
able to do what I want to do.
I want to live my life the wayI want to live.
So when I saw her, I'm like,yes, this is the woman that I
want, someone that hasconfidence, someone that does
whatever the fuck that she wantsto do.
Because, in return, I know thatI'm going to be able to, like
be a normal the way that I wantto be, like what I see as normal
, like hey, look this girl's hot.
Or like, hey, like you know,not have to limit myself.

(21:30):
Or like what I'm actually into.
So, for me, like it was all aplus, you know, um and I told
her that from the beginning, Isaid, hey, uh, when you know, if
we're together, I want toencourage you and I want to
never stand in the way of youdoing only fans or making money,
or being the person that youwant to be, because I don't want
to be limited myself.
So why would I limit you so,honestly to God?

(21:54):
Like I'll come home and I'llhear her talking to her and her
only fans Like you got a smalldick, blah, blah, blah, dude.
And but it just doesn't.
It doesn't do anything to me,it's just like oh, like I'd be
like hell, yeah, baby.
Like you got like that new sub.
Like you got like, or oh,that's fucking crazy, that dude
wanted you to tell him that.
Like I don't know what it isinside of me.
That just does not.
It doesn't bother me at all.
Like maybe it's the securitythat we have within our

(22:15):
relationship, but it justdoesn't.
And bothering me, I mean evenwhen she goes to the, to the
shows, and does like um, her, um, her booth set up with her
clothing brand.
Dude, there's guys coming in,she'll be spanking them,
spitting water in their face andI'm just like, this is fucking
sick.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
You probably have the funnest, yeah, I have the
funnest, yeah, and it's justcool to see, like my person
being themselves and it's coolto see them.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I see it's cool to see her like doing what she
wants to do and not giving afuck about, like you know, about
what society says how we shouldlive like.
For me, that's the mostattractive thing ever to have in
my partner someone that justlike is who they are, does what
the fuck they want to do,unapologetically.
So it's all a turn, it's a.
It's not a turn on that shedoes only fans.
Just a turn on that she livesthe life that she wants to live.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I see, I see, I see, I think too, a lot of people are
, because I think it comesmostly from insecurity, but
they're unable to separate sexand sexual things from like love
or the relationship side of.
Hey, I actually care about thisperson, yeah, so if she's at a
booth spanking some dude, youknow it's not like she's like.

(23:23):
Oh, I'm so turned on and likeoh man, I'm falling in love with
this guy you know, this is justfun.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
She's doing it for her booth, whatever like yeah
she comes home to me like we'restill good, you know like, yeah,
I, yeah, I guess I don't evenprocess it like that and I'm a
crazy motherfucker dude like I'mnot, like I'm about my shit,
you know.
So it's not like I'm like apushover Like, but it just I
just don't process it like that.
It's just like I don't know.
It's hard to explain, you know,when you do have that security

(23:50):
with somebody.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think a lot of it too, is just intent.
Like you know, neither of us isdoing anything to hurt the
other person.
It's just like we are who weare and like out of him and who
he is and he loves the fuck outof me, and it just should be
that.
And I think honesty, too, we'vetalked about, like you know,
being honest with your person upfront and him telling me like,

(24:12):
hey, like this is who I am, thisis what I want.
It's like a big understandingand that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's in the open.
It would be different if youhad this secret, only fans and
nobody knows about it.
Then he finds out about it, butyou're like look, this is what
I do.
Take it or leave it.
You're like I'm cool with that.
You're living your life.
More power to you, so yeah, andit gives me leeway for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
And it's also like it's safe say if, um, she's like
on my phone and there's like agirl on my explorer page or
something like that.
And it's like she comes to melike what she doesn't, but if.
And it's like she comes to melike well, she doesn't but if
she did.
It's like, hey, what is this?
And I'm like, hey, let'sreevaluate our situation.
Like you have understandingwith me, I have understanding
with you, so I think that's forme where it comes from.

(24:53):
It's just like it's gives us alot more leniency on like she
needs to be her person.
I need to be my person, youknow.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So do you mean in like an open relationship type
of?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
we're definitely not an open relationship, okay but
like we're human beings, youknow, like we're like she is
gonna get satisfaction out ofbeing at a booth and feeling
like dominant over these guysand taking their money.
And like you know, like thisI'm a bad bitch and this is my
brand and these motherfuckersare paying me money and that
gives her happiness.
So obviously there's things forme that give me happiness,

(25:25):
right, like just being able tolike not have to worry about
like, oh, hey, look this girl'shot, you should collaborate with
her.
Or like, oh, she'll tell me hey, do you think this girl's hot,
should we collaborate with heron only fans?
Like, like, that's awesome tome.
Like that we have that securityand I didn't realize it till we
were together that that'ssomething that I really needed
was security with someone, likesomeone that's not on my back,

(25:45):
you know, because I don't liketo be told what to do, and like
I don't like to feel like I'mlike held down by anything.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.
I think, too.
It's like people nowadays Ifeel like have this, this need
to control everything instead ofletting somebody be the way
that they is and acceptingthey're the way that they are
and then if it's a good match,it's a good match, if it's not,
it's not.
You know what I mean, and I dothink it takes a level of

(26:14):
security, um, so like, I don'tthink it's insecure either way,
as long as you know what yourboundary is and you're honest
about that and and both peopleare aware of it.
So like when I dated the girlthat's the only fans she would
get naked on only fans I wascool with that.
I would not be secure enough tobe like you can fuck other

(26:36):
dudes right that like that wouldbe where my line is drawn.
And I don't think it's insecureeither way.
Like if somebody's like, ohyeah, my girl can fuck other
dudes, some people say, oh,you're not enough of a man, you
need to, like, have thisboundary.
It's like, no, that's if you'rehonestly secure with that and
you're not doing it from a placeof this is my only way to keep
this girl around, yeah, you know.

(26:56):
Then it's cool and like this iswhere my personal boundary is,
you know.
And then for me it was actuallyalmost like an ego boost a
little bit, that like there'sall these guys out there that
would pay money just to see apicture of my girl, yeah, and
then like she's still my girlwhen it comes down to it at the
end of the day, you know even ifshe honestly would not bother

(27:17):
me.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Even if she did do nudity on her only fans, that
wouldn't bother me at all.
She just chooses not to.
But in my I'm like I don't justbe your person.
You know I would draw the line,um, you know, with other guys,
but I would never shame anybodyfor that.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Your own boundaries, your own, like, whatever you're
comfortable with.
But it's just, it's having thatdiscussion.
Like you know, if that's whatyou want to do, like discuss
that with your person, like, andif you know that is the route
you want to go with your, yourpage, your only fans, like,
whatever you're doing yourcareer, then you have to accept
that, like, okay, maybe thisperson's not for me, or you know

(27:55):
, it's just, it's really allabout communication yeah, it is,
and it's so easy to like.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're all liars, we all lie.
And it's so easy to like lie tothe person that you're with, so
they like you and then, a fewyears down the road, you're just
like I'm like I'm not myselfand you're causing so much
resentment in your relationshipbecause you were just weren't
able to tell the person like,hey, this is me and this is what
I like and I do think there's abig push, push.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Nowadays it's all about feelings and feeling
better.
In the moment I'm like great.
But like you were saying, it'slike if you say, oh no, it's
okay because you don't want tohurt their feelings, but really
it bothers you, it's going tocome out eventually.
Maybe it's three months downthe road where you build up
enough resentment where finallyyou're like fuck this.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And they're like fuck this.
And they're like you never toldme this, like you never
communicated it, and that's agood, that's a.
That's a good like oppositeside of what we're saying too,
like you know, with the otherperson's agreeing like, okay,
that's fine, but they're notbeing honest with you about it.
So that's a good perspective onit, because you're still either
way, you're gonna buildresentment.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
You're gonna like start harboring that for that
person if, like, you trulyaren't okay with that.
So it's like you just have tobe honest with your person and
yourself about, like, what youreally want in a partner, and
you know every.
Whatever your lifestyle is,it's okay there's going to be
somebody who like fits into that, but you can't force somebody
into it either it's funnybecause you guys just look like

(29:16):
you're making each other dude,it's crazy, dude the clone like
the male and the female version.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's so weird, man like it, like you're saying that
, but I mean it's, it's weird,like I mean I'm 33 she's 32 and
it's like we were just goingthrough this life, you know,
like we said, like parallel, andthen we meet up and it's like
we just share a brain.
It's the fucking most weirdthing ever, like I feel so heard

(29:41):
and understood, and I thinkthat she could say the same
thing, because we do share likethis weird like not only do we
look like each other, we havelike a lot of the same tattoos,
but we just share like a rightand left side of her brain.
It's bizarre, it's reallybizarre.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
That is crazy.
And the fact that it's like youmet, blocked and then somehow,
at the perfect time you know,broke up with your boyfriend,
everything.
You're single again.
Then Tinder randomly matchesyou guys up and it's like that's
kind of crazy, you know?
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And I'm locked in.
You know, it's crazy.
I was always like man, I'm justgoing to be single.
Like I fucking I work like I'man asshole, you know.
And like I'm like I'm just it'sfine.
Like I'm an asshole, you know,and like I'm like I'm just it's
fine, like I fucking have ruinedevery relationship I've been in
, you know.
But I realized like, yeah, likeit was me, like I did fuck up a
lot.
Also, it's just, I just wasn'twith the right person, like the

(30:30):
person didn't understand me.
So, instead of me likecommunicating that, I just
fucking went self-destruct, youknow.
So it's nice to be with someonethat understands me, you know,
not just this person I want topretend to be.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, that makes sense and that he can be like
truly him.
His authentic self because youknow that's been really hard in
my relationships is likenobody's understood, like why I
do the things I do, like why Iam the way I am like and let me
be myself.
And he's the first person I'vebeen with where I've really felt
like I can truly be myself andnot only that, but like be

(31:01):
supported, like he'll be atthese festivals with me and like
they'll be like oh, I want toget paid, to get like spanked or
slapped.
And he's like, yeah, you hitthat motherfucker, it's fine man
.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, it's great you guys seem like you'd be a vibe
to party with, for sure.
Yeah, we're a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
A lot of fun have you had exes that have tried to get
you to stop doing what you douh, yeah, definitely that were
like uncomfortable with what Ido and like didn't say like hey,
I don't want you to do this,but like I could tell it wasn't,
it was bothering yeah, it wasdefinitely bothering that makes
sense.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, interesting.
So I want to hear about yourbusiness then.
So did you start off doing themore like influencer thing?
And then, oh, I have afollowing.
Now I'm going to build a bunchof barbershops, or was it the
reverse?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
No, um, like I said, I'm I'm a hundred percent a
barber, you know.
So it is kind of it's kind offunny for my friends and my
family that have known me for along time to see me doing like
all these funny skits withAngela.
I've always kind of likedabbled in that, but when I
started really coming up in hair, nobody was like it's like.
Instagram started coming outand nobody was posting haircuts
on Instagram.

(32:08):
I'm like hey, this is a greatplatform.
Me, a couple other dudesstarted, you know, putting out
haircuts on Instagram and thatreally caught.
You know.
I think it's something specialwhen you can catch a wave, kind
of like, right before it startsto go.
So me and a couple of guys onthere, we really blew up the
barbering game from thatplatform and then from there I
reached out to sponsors, gotsponsored by some clipper
companies.
They sent me all over the worldto educate for them and then

(32:32):
when I got done with that, I waslike you know, I want to open
up my business.
I had been working for abarbershop for five years and
had a lot of clientele.
It's the only thing I've everdone like where I'm actually
good at this.
You know, like I played musicnot really good at playing music
, you know, but barbering is theone thing that just like well,
I really fucking get this, youknow.
So then I put up my shop andobviously, right now, the only

(32:53):
way to really grow is to dosocial media.
And so I started like postingvideos of me like combing my own
hair and shit, and those reallyblew up.
And then, since we've beentogether, like you know, I had
like posted like a few likeviral videos before.
But when we got together, likeour creative juices just like
started flowing and like Ialways wanted to like anybody I
was with, like hey, like weshould do a TikTok together and

(33:13):
they're like, ah, no, liketalking to you on there, I don't
want to like I don't want youto do that.
But when we got together, she'slike, yeah, like all we do is,
like you know, be a funny assideas If, like we did this or we
did that and like we'll just bepumping each other up on on how
to do it.
So when we met, it definitelylike spiked, like me wanting to
do it more and then seeing, likeall the benefits that come from

(33:34):
it as well.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
And yeah, that's the thing.
It's like that's the best vibe,If you have that power couple
vibe, where it's like, hey, youmight meet somebody who's an
influencer, you do somethingtogether.
And then you're like, oh shit,I could work with that person
too.
And now it's like, oh yeah,let's all do one together,
collaborate, and like you havethat that all going for you and
working in the same direction,as opposed to somebody who's
like secretly resenting you forwanting to work with somebody or

(33:59):
making me feel silly, or likeI've definitely been made to
feel silly, like why are you?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
like you just like TikTok, really.
Like I'm like ah, it's for mybusiness.
And like I don't want to feelsilly because I'm trying to like
I'm trying to go somewhere, youknow.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, is it like in the barber industry?
Is it like because most ofthose guys are like the very
like manly men, like do you geta lot of kind of heat, not heat
for it, but are they kind oflike a you're a Tik TOK guy Like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
They might say it behind closed doors, but the
life I live now is verydifferent than you know before.
Where I will pull up, I will goto your barbershop If you Like.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You know like the people that know him know like
not to.
They're not.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
They might say it like behind closed doors, but
there's no one that's going tobe like saying that shit like
publicly or to me, you know, butI'm sure they are, but I don't
give a fuck, dude.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, doesn't bother me at all, dude, you know like,
but no, I still have.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Like we throw barber battles and like hundreds of
people come and I'm oh, no wayoh dude, it's crazy yeah, like,
yeah, so I'm respected yeah, inthe community, for sure, man.
I mean, I'm like he's likeinsanely respected in the barber
community.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, so I mean, and at the end of the day, like
people only have an opinion ifyou let them.
Yeah, but the fact that I trulydid, I could not give a fuck
about what people?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
well, also, I think now that you're successful,
they're probably like oh shit atwork, like even if at the
beginning someone were like,what is he doing on on this?
Yeah, talk Instagram.
And then they're all of asudden.
You're like, yeah, now I havefour shops.
Yeah, I'm doing these barberbattles.
I have hundreds of people showup.
You're like, oh fuck.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, and then it's funny Cause then people are like
oh, jake, put me on.
Like how did you, how did you?
I don't like no, like man, youguys weren't seeing it, then why
the fuck am I going to tell youanything now on how to do it?
But I'm sure even some of mybarbers will pull up to the shop

(35:47):
with dudes who are small people, and then their grandma that
comes in like Ross and everyone,and I'll bring a whole circus
of crazy influencers into theshop.
And I'm sure in the beginningthe guys in my shop were like
what is this guy doing?
But then they see all theclients that come in from it and
like all you're like oh, I sawyou on ross's snapchat or
angela's instagram and they'relike okay, now I get why we're

(36:08):
doing this.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, once they see the money, then it's like oh
shit, yeah, this shit works.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, for sure because we started bringing like
influencers into the shop eventoo well, she started she dude
this girl, man, she's, she's,she's the shit dude, that's
awesome.
So yeah, I just started likereaching out to like influencers
that I know that I'm like, hey,like this person might work
really well like their guy maybethey want their haircut cut and
then, like they make reallyfunny skits.
So it might not even be liketheir following is in the barber

(36:34):
community, but I'm like there'ssomething there and there's
something we can do.
And then we collaborate, wemake like tons of videos all
together, like betweeneverybody's creative mind, and
then it's good for us too to seelike how other creators work,
because like it'll get us likeout of our normal.
Like, oh, this is how we haveto shoot things.
Or like, oh, these are theaudios we have to use where it's

(36:55):
like oh no, we can do like, oh,what about all these ideas?
Or they'll feed us ideas.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
And then can do like, oh, what about all these ideas,
or they'll feed us ideas andthen it's just like a really
good like creative outlet, andwhen you guys have the
post-continent stuff, is it moreof like uh, oh, when I'm
creative I'll make something.
Or is it like a structured likeall right, monday I wake up.
No, my, is it just kind of whenit happens, it happens, kind of

(37:20):
thing dude, if we don't want to, if we don't want to, we won't
do it.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, we're so stubborn like that like if we're just
like not feeling it, we'll belike, even if we had like an
idea of like, oh, let's filmcontent tomorrow, we're not
feeling it we just don't do it,but because we're not or we have
other businesses like.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
This isn't like this isn't our end, all be all.
You know, like if I'm like Idon't want to film anything,
Like I'll just go and likehunker down and bury my head
into the barbershop and she'llgo bury her head into her
clothing brand or her OnlyFansyou know, so it's not end all be
all for us.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
And then, even on the days we do shoot content, we
shoot so much that like we haveenough to be able to space it
out, however we need I see, Isee.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, it's interesting you guys have
diversified really well we're,because I do know some
influencers are like I need toget two videos out today, every
day, and they're just like I'mlike man, your life looks really
cool on the uh, like on yourinstagram, but I'm like man,
this is a grind like.
At some point it's like is thisfun anymore?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
uh, you know, but know but you guys know not to
that.
Yeah, but I think I can speakfor both of us when I say we
want to only do what we want todo, like I don't ever want to
have a day where I doingsomething I don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I know that sounds unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
But as many days as I can have, that I don't do
anything that I don't want to dois great for me, yeah feeling
like you have to do something orlike I have to do this, like
neither of us like feeling likethat.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
So, yeah, very like.
Well, sometimes we have likestructured weeks of like okay,
you know, like like these dayslike Jake's cutting hair and
these days I have only fanscollabs, but like other than
that, sometimes we're just likeright, whatever we end up doing
today, where we just take timeoff.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, but we'll keep it with each other.
I'll be like, oh, let's filmthis video.
And then she'd be like I don'twant to film and I'd be like,
fine, whatever.
You know, but normally we ebband flow with each other, Like
if one person's not feeling it,the other person's like yeah,
I'm not either.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
It's kind of weird how that works between us.
Yeah, because you guys areclones of each other.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
You've got the same brain, or I mean, sometimes too,
he'll be like, oh, let's filmthis video.
And I'm like, oh, and he's like, come on, just do it.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
And it'll blow the fuck up.
Yeah, yeah, and you're like OK.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
At super viral.
She didn't quite trust, like ifI had an idea with things.
And then over the like, likeover the few months, the first
few months of the data, she'slike okay, like maybe you do
kind of get what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
No, there's a lot of ideas that we film that I'm like
I ask him for advice, or like,hey, what do you think about
this?
And he'll be like, oh, maybe,if you do it this way, and then
it just makes the video so muchbetter, like we go back and
forth to like, oh, what shouldwe caption this?
Or like so we help each otherout a lot.
I've I've always been verystubborn and like no, I know
what I'm doing, like I don'tneed anybody to tell me, but
like jake's definitely taught methey don't, and I need not that

(40:09):
I need to, but that you knowstraight out of your comfort
zone?
yeah, straight out of thecomfort zone, like, try new
things, like, and all of ourvideos, just ever since we've
been together.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Even like, though I've done very well for myself
online, like it's done evenbetter now yeah, definitely, and
the the a lot of things that,although we are similar, we're
very different in a lot ofthings.
Like there's a lot of holes inmy bucket that she helps me plug
and vice versa.
Um, for me it's like I I'm good, I'm good at like um running a

(40:40):
team and like shit like that,but I I'm good at like um
running a team and like shitlike that, but I'm not very good
at like with my money.
You know, like I'm like I havelike all these shops and all
this cool shit, but I'm bad withmy money and she's fucking
great with her money, but maybeshe's a little bit lenient with
the people that she has, thatshe hires.
So I'm like, hey, like you gotto fucking drill down on this.
And then she'll tell me hey,you got to fucking tighten your
belt with your money situation.

(41:01):
So it's just weird how it kindof like works like that between
us, you know yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Complimentary skills yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that is interestingbecause the the the path of
building a business is verydifferent, a very different
skill set than creating content.
Yeah, and I think there's a tonof people who got really good at
creating content and they justdon't understand how to monetize
it, how to build systems, howto build a team like this kind

(41:25):
of things.
You know what I mean?
Uh, how did you figure out howto like, build your like?
How did you go from one or noteven that, but just being a
barber to owning a shop, to thenexpanding to like two, three,
four shops?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
You know it's crazy and it's.
This is my first podcast, youknow, so I've never really even
like talked about.
I don't really share my storyor anything like that.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Um.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I'm just obsessive man Like, um, it's, it's, uh,
it's uh.
I like the way my brain works,but I also hate it because, um,
if I want to do something likeand this is not like bullshit,
I'm not like I'm fucking grunt,mr Grime.
I'm like man, like I'm reallyobsessed with shit.
So like with my barbershop,like I would just like all night
, every day, like how the fuckam I going to learn how to lay
flooring?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
How am I going to?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
learn how to, how to roll paint, how to do ceiling
tile, like it's just like thisweird obsession that, like
whenever I get something in myhead that I have to do it.
Um, so, like YouTube man, likeI worked for someone and and I
learned everything from him Good, bad ugly, like you know,

(42:26):
helped him grow the business soI can like learn through his
mistakes and then applied it tomy shop.
And then I could honestly say,every waking moment from when I
opened my business to now, it'slike how am I going to get it
better?
Like how am I going to savemoney to where I can open up
another shop and elevate thatlocation to this location?
And now I have four of themwith, like right here, like 10
to 12 barbers in each shop.
But I can honestly say, justlike obsession man.

(42:48):
Like I just really, reallyfucking wanted to do it and I
come from nothing.
You know, I grew up in fosterhomes and shit like that.
So for me it's like I uh, Iwant to provide for my son and
like be able to like leave himsomething and, you know, rewrite
my family's history Right, likefigure out ways where I can
leave these to my sisters andlike create something tangible
rather than just like, oh yeah,I'm going to fucking do this

(43:11):
Like I don't know, like cryptoshit or like you know.
I want something you canactually feel and touch, you
know, that I can like present,like hey, like this is what I'm
doing and what I have likeaccomplished yeah, because
that's the thing with crypto.
It's like I don't know anythingabout crypto, by the way.
I don't fucking know.
It's like the one thing I canpull out of my ass.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
You know what I mean yeah, I bought a little bit, I
lost money and then I was likefuck it.
Yeah, but I'm just saying thethings.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
This is just shit that I hear from people like and
I'm always like man, I'm suchan idiot Like I don't know about
crypto man.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Or I don't know about this shit, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And then these guys they always seem like they're
chasing something and I'm likefuck man, like I got my feet
planted where the fuck I'm at.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Like if you're on the internet and you see me, that's
where I am.
Like it's not like oh you know,pull up, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, not even like that, but like it's real shit,
you know, like, this is what Isay, I'm doing and this is what
I have, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, and that's the thing is like I mean crypto, I'm
going to start it back fromscratch.
I know exactly what to do.
I've ran this through fourdifferent barbershops.
I'll start another one and it'slike so you have the skill set
that makes your wealth permanent.

(44:29):
You know what I mean.
Like nobody can ever take thataway from you the skill set wise
, yeah, and that's what.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I tell my barbers too , which goes back to, like, the
credibility thing.
It's like, hey, like, becauseI'm never gonna be the guys,
like I don't need you guys, likeI could do without you, like my
team will be the first to vouch, and I'm not like that.
But I will say, like my shopscould all burn down and tomorrow
I could cut hair in my fuckingbathroom and maintain the exact
same lifestyle right now dude,you know.

(44:54):
So there's no one, and I thinkthat growing up not to like be
like a sob story.
But I've always had shit takenfrom me and I'm like I want to
set my life up to where nobodycould take this from me, like no
matter what the fucking causeis, like I could pull up, like
hey, I'm behind this dumpster at7-eleven, I'll tell you right
now all my clients will pull up,you know, and I'll cut their
hair and no matter what, I'mgonna be good off that yeah,

(45:15):
yeah, no, that's dope.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's about the uh, uh, your fashion line.
How did that start?
The clothing line.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So yeah, I mean I'd been like modeling for like
everybody.
I wanted to create somethingfor myself and it's.
It's taken me a while to reallyfind, like, what sticks for me
and what works really well forthe brand Cause.
For at the beginning it wasjust kind of like hey, I really
like this, like aesthetic andthis style, and just kind of
like throwing shit at the wallto like what sells, what doesn't

(45:42):
sell, because clothing is suchlike a hard industry, like
there's so much you can do withit Very challenging.
There's so little you can dowith it.
And then it's like what do youwant your brand to represent?
So my biggest thing was I wantto represent bad bitches Like I
want to make good clothes forbad bitches and like something

(46:03):
that like represents myself.
So it's taken a lot of work butthen, through doing like the
festival, seeing like what mydemographic is, when it comes to
like who buys my clothes, Ireally feel like I've fine-tuned
, like what I wanted torepresent and like what I want
to put out.
So it's at first I started withlike designs and like testing
out graphic designers and likeoh, oh, I like these ideas.
But there was no like structureto it, there was no like.

(46:23):
It was kind of just everywhereand I give it like a very like
Y2K vibe, meets like gothyaesthetic.
But I've really started puttingout and working on like more
like funny sayings that like Ifeel like fit the brand and like
like the t-shirts so funnysayings on t-shirts.
So I have I think the best Ihave two like really really good

(46:45):
designs that have worked likecrazy of a tank top design and
it says husband beater on it.
It's like a playoff of like thewife beater yeah and then which,
that one kills it at the shows,like husbands buy it for the
wives, like everybody laughsabout it.
It's funny and especiallybecause, like my booth is so out
there, we're like where westarted doing like the whole

(47:07):
spanking, slapping, stepping onpeople was like I did the
gathering of the juggalos and westarted doing five dollar deals
where it was like, hey, payfive dollars, get spanked,
slapped, step on or we'll spitin your mouth.
And I'm not sure if you'refamiliar with the Gathering of
the Juggalos.
It is the craziest event anyonecan ever go to in their life.

(47:27):
There's no rules.
There's people selling everykind of possible drug with like
cardboard signs out there.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
It's like a Burning man type of vibe.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
But how do I describe it?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
It's like a monster truck show meets a fucking
burning man yeah, like it's likeyou know.
You know what juggalos are orlike insane, yeah okay yeah, so
it's all like the juggalos andI've never been, but this is her
for yeah, gotcha, gotcha uh,there's dicks out, there's
titties out.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I saw a girl um masturbate with a pole.
Uh, umbrella pole on stage asher.
It was a talent contest and hertalent was squirting.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So that's just like a little bit yeah, yeah, it's
awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's just like the craziest event you can ever be
at.
So it was a perfect place totest out this whole $5 deal
thing.
And then, like that translatedinto the rest of the festivals
and I was like, why not do thisat all the festivals?
Like why not be like thecraziest booth with the hottest
goth alternative girls out,because that's all I have?
Work for me is women, um, andit's like the most female

(48:32):
empowerment booth, like we getgirls coming over who are like
oh yeah, we've designated thisas our safe, like meetup spot or
like you know, we've never feltso included and it's like a
very inclusive booth.
And then with like all thispeople, people want like people
at festivals want to wear likefunny shit yeah, for sure I'm
gonna wear like funny t-shirts.
Like one of the other ones Ihave.
It says I'm not a dog trainer,but I know a bitch when I see

(48:53):
one that's good, that's good andso just like really honing into
that, I feel like that's likethe, the move that I've like
made with my brand and likewhere I want to stick, and I
guess in a sense it's like, uh,like a female female assholes
live forever, kind of vibe.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I see, yeah, yeah but yeah it seems like you.
I mean, you developed yourbrand on the social media thing
and then you figured out and cutyour chops on branding and what
people want and xyz, and thenso going into clothing, it's
like you already have thoseskills built.
You're kind of justtransferring it to the clothing
side of things yeah, which it'sbeen.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It's been a learning curve because, like for me,
owning a business isn't likesomething I'm, like, very used
to normally do.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I can with the reverse direction.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, literally and I I can create content all day.
It just it comes really easyfor me.
But this has been a very biglearning curve.
But it's nice because it getsme out of like my comfort zone,
my normal way of thinking.
It's helping me grow like it'sbuilding something, and earlier
last year I actually got intozoomies with the brand too oh
nice so being able to like getinto these stores that I went to

(49:58):
as like a kid like crazy afterI got like the, the meeting and
everything and like got approvedfor everything, like I cried
because how did you get thatmeeting?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
because everybody always talks about, you know, on
shark tank and everything likeeven just getting a meeting with
anybody at a big brand is likeso hard um, so I got really
lucky.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
One of my friends uh, he owns this company called
helen company, okay, he haddesigned a couple pieces for me
and I guess he had a meetingwith zoomies, um, and he was
like, hey, here's their, theircontact, like I'm also emailing
them too, and then we both gotin at the same time and I think
what really helped me, to behonest, is like my social media,

(50:37):
oh I'm sure that because ithelps a ton, because you know
you see your favoriteinfluencers brand is in like a
zoomies or like a retaillocation Like you want to go
support.
That helps them too.
Because it's hey, maybe peopleforgot about zoomies, maybe
people forgot about, like, youknow what's in there and people
just going into the mallschecking out new brands, like
and I know they're trying to getnew eyes and new brands into

(51:00):
their stores, yeah, and and newbrands into their stores.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, and that's the thing is like people could say,
oh, you got lucky because yougot this meeting with Zoomies.
You happen to know this guy whoknew blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
But it's like, also, you put inthe work for years to build a
social media following, tounderstand branding, to do all
these things.
So then when you actually gotthe meeting, it actually led to
something, instead of themsaying you don't know what the

(51:22):
fuck you're talking about.
Get out of my office.
You know, so it's people don'tsee the hard work that leads to
the overnight success.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
No, they don't.
They're just like oh, you gotthe meeting.
It's like, well, technicallyanyone can try to get a meeting.
You can email, you can sendyour portfolio over, like,
whatever the case is.
But like it's so much more thanluck, like and I mean I'm a
firm believer too, and like alot of the stuff is like who you
know, or being there in theright time, or you know, I do
feel like I'm a very luckyperson.

(51:50):
At the same time, too, I'm justlike all these opportunities
come to me because I feel like Imanifested, I speak into
existence.
Like the beginning of like lastyear I had written in my like
manifesting journal I'm going toget into zoomies, hot topic, or
spencers, like, and I, everymonth, was like I'm going to get

(52:11):
into there.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
That's crazy.
So, just like believing it,it's very powerful, like not.
Neither one of us are very likelike real, like spiritual or
anything, but we're both likedecided that we, with the lives
that we have, we've created thisshit in our head since I I was
like a kid, like I'm gonna betatted, barber, fucking hot ass,
wife, girlfriend, you know.
And she's like I'm going to bea fucking uh, the most famous
tattooed on model on Instagramand have my brand.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
So, it's.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's something we're not too like like super, super
into it, so I can't speak toomuch on it.
But we'll take like baths andlike meditate and like we'll
like really like think about,like we'll sit there and for
like 30 minutes in a hot bathjust like thinking about like
you know how much money that wewant to make, what we want to do
with our brands, and then we'lltalk about it and then hold
each other accountable for it,and it's, it's a big part.

(52:57):
Even before we like when wefirst started talking, like I'm
like, hey, this might soundweird, but like this is like
what I do, and she's like that'sexactly the fuck that I do.
And then we both try to staypositive.
You know we're, we're just like, oh man, like luck is always on
my side, or you know, like youknow, or she'll start like maybe
doubting something.
I'm like, no, fuck that.
Like that's not how we think.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You know like we're fucking winners and no matter
what, like if that door closesbecause two more is gonna open,
because the second you startputting like that energy into
negativity and to like negativeself-talk and to like it just
takes away from anything, andthe more you're like, you talk
yourself up, you say like I'mgoing to do this, like you speak
that shit into existence, likeit is going to happen, and I've

(53:37):
seen it to like an insane amount.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
As long as you apply that pressure.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
You can't just like sit there and like, okay, I'm
gonna get a million dollarstomorrow, that's my big fuck,
not beef with the wholemanifestation thing.
But there's just so many peopleI know that are like, oh, I'm
manifesting and they don't evendo like the first step of the
work and I'm just like okay,cool manifest, but then like go
fucking work 12 hours now tofucking make your dreams I more
feel like that.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
What's ever happened to me.
It's like I'll say, hey, I want, I like perfect example.
I'll be like, hey, I reallywant, like I'll be manifesting,
like I really want a barbershop,my business, for them to
respect me, I'll be respected.
And then I lose my entire staffand I'm like what the fuck?
this is the opposite of what Iwanted and then, all of a sudden
, new people start flowing in.
I'm like, and they respect me,and I'm like, holy shit, like so

(54:24):
.
I feel like not only is it,it's, you're not like wishing,
like rubbing a magic lamp, andit appears it's like the
universe is going to give youtools and say, hey, here's the
tools to build this.
Now you fucking put the work inyou ask for this.
It's not going to get fall inyour lap, but here's our, here's
the tools, and you know, thenyou do the rest with it and it's
like, yeah, everybody left, butmaybe they had to leave they

(54:47):
did.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, exactly people in there and then you know it
ends up being way better in thelong run which, I'm sure, the
same as you you have.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You you're having a lot of success in your podcast,
but you're probably like I'mgonna have a fucking badass
podcast.
I'm gonna get the the sickestmotherfuckers on here, right.
And then I'm sure like maybethese mics or the lights, I'm
sure, probably something poppedup and you're like, holy fuck,
like that's exactly like what Ineed to get my podcast started.
You know.
So the universe didn't justplop this awesome shit in your
lab.
It's like I'm sure the thingsstarted lining up.

(55:15):
Maybe you had someone hit youup.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Like hey, very, it's very much like I believe how
manifestation works in the kindof metaphysical sense, and I'm a
very like logical person, soI'm not I'm not super into like
the universe, stuff like that,but I think it's just like you
think about shit enough.
When something happens, that'san opportunity, then you notice
it because you've been thinkingabout it, and so it's not that

(55:43):
thinking about it makes ithappen, it just makes you notice
every small tiny opportunityand then you jump on it and then
, on top of that, you're somotivated because you've been
thinking about it the whole time, and I think that's kind of how
it plays out Usually you likefind a way to make it happen.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Like you know, if you start speaking something, cause
like, if you don't, I don'tknow.
I'm also a firm believer inlike writing things down because
, like, it's easy to forgetthings.
It's easy to forget, like youknow, with the hustle and bustle
of life, like, oh, yeah, Iwanted to do that.
Or like, oh, I wanted to makethat happen, but then you forget
about it.
But if you keep like continuingto write it down, keep speaking
about it, like, keep making thesteps to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It is going to happen , 100% persistence.
I've had.
I've had so many people like no, you're not ready, like you're
not even like, just likestarting to open a business.
I had a uh, someone who Irespected, who owned a tattoo
shop.
He told me every reason why Ishouldn't open a barbershop and
I'm like, oh fuck, that scaredme, I didn't.
I waited two more years, youknow, um, but I think, just, you
know, when someone tells youJake, you can't do that, it's
like motherfucker, maybe youcan't do it, but I can't like,
like I don't fucking want Idon't care what's possible for

(56:47):
you, dude, like that shit, maybeit's not possible for you but
it's possible for me, and likewatch me do this shit, you know,
yeah.
So I kind of like when, when I'mdoubted in that sense, you know
, like words, like no, that'snot possible, like shit that
made it's not possible for youbut it's, it's possible for me,
dude.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
So yeah, yeah, sometimes haters are the best
motivators, you know yeah,awesome well, guys, we are about
out of time.
It's been very fun, uh.
Would you guys like to give ashout out to any instagram,
tiktok website, stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
um, well, you can follow me on instagram at angela
underscore mizanti.
You can pretty much find all mysocial media on there.
So, yeah, yeah, just Google me.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Awesome.
How about you, jake, don'tGoogle me, I don't got anything
on.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Google.
No, you can get on my InstagramReally, if you want to plug in.
Angela and I, this year we'regoing to really be focusing on
her OnlyFans and building that.
So that's mainly where we wantyou guys to go to our businesses
and then her OnlyFans.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
OnlyFanscom slash AngelaMazzantiVIP.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Awesome.
Well, this has been fun, guys.
Thanks for watching.

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