The Paradox of Self-Belief and How Mindset Shapes Reality ft. Julia - Ep.094 - Unattainable Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I guess all the humans being have a stereotype
to be toxic.
It doesn't matter what otherpeople do.
People are always gonna try tosay how you should be, what you
should be doing and why you actthis way, you should act in
other way, and things like that,and that's not cool.
They should care about theirlife.
Sometimes people are gonna saythat they like one thing and
they are doing other thing.
Right, but these talk moreabout themselves.

(00:21):
So it's like if you wanna be agood guy, because you're a good
guy and you believe that youractions are true and you're the
right person, well, keep on that.
Like it's tough to hear whatthey want you to be.
I will never change who I am tofit in the other people's
expectations of me.
I wasn't the girl that sincehigh school is the hot girl

(00:42):
Girls want a guy who's ambitious, successful, confident, all
those things.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Our society is almost pushing too far in the
direction and I think a lot ofmental health issues stem from
too much positivity.
Yes, I have to.
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
All these races that we have races, they're all made
up.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Don't work for everyone, why work for some
people?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Welcome to Unattainable.
Glad to have you with us.
I'm your host, Zach Evans, andfirst of all, thank you to all
of our listeners.
We've been getting a ton ofengagement and growth over the
last month in particular, sowe've got to thank you guys for
that.
Today we have Julia on the show.
Julia, why don't you go ahead?
Tell everybody where you'refrom, what you're doing in LA
and your star sign?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, I'm Julia.
I'm from Brazil, são Paulo,brazil, from a small town, and
I'm modeling in LA Nice, nice.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
And star sign.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Star sign.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Sagittarius.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
You need to know that .

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh, it's a secret information.
You're a Gemini, huh.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, I'm a Cancer.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Cancer is actually nice.
I'm water sign too.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, do you know, just like the solar sign?
Or you're interested on therising?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
and the moon and everything.
I got the app.
You got to get the app for it.
I know all of them Okay so yeah, I'm cancer.
My rising is aquarius and mymom is aquarius too.
It's interesting because umcancers aren't known for being
toxic.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Usually cancer is like very nice people I think
cancer people are really sweetand you really get like a person
that have the sun sign oncancers more if you live with
this person.
I feel we are like really likenurturing, and we're like family
and this kind of stuff.
But my rising is aquarius andit's all like, yeah, I want to

(02:31):
live life, I want to go to theworld, I want to experience
things, and so I guess it's acool mix yeah, it's interesting,
um, because a lot of time latinpeople have the stereotypes of
it being toxic, but then you'realso a cancer oh, I guess all
the humans being have astereotype to be toxic not just

(02:52):
like latinos or americans orpeople from middle east or
whatever.
No, we always have like aduality inside of yourself.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So it's like you always need to be working on
that toxic is in.
Right now, though, a lot ofpeople are doing the toxic
relationship thing because it'smore fun, you know roller
coaster yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, I guess we are alive and we're gonna live for
many years.
So the most important is havingfun.
If you're having fun being atoxic relationship because you
like a roller coaster and youlike adrenaline, good for you,
oh good, not a problem, you know.
But like, if you're feeling badabout yourself and you think

(03:32):
that's being really toxic, in apoint that's like you don't have
the energy anymore to do yourown things or to trust in
yourself, then you have aproblem I used to be very toxic.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I'm recovering.
Narcissist sociopath, fuck boy.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, that was just my past how you realize that she
was a narcissist, becausenarcissists, I guess they don't
even realize that they're anarcissist.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I didn't start off as a narcissist.
I started off as a shy littlesimp.
You know, the simp is uh-huh.
I was a shy little polite andhow you became a narcissist.
Oh, because every girl who toldme yeah, we like nice guys, we
like this, the caring sweetnever hear other people.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
They all never hear friends on me cheated on me.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Date my friends.
I'm like fuck this shit.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And then I became a fucking narcissist, don't matter
what other people do what doyou mean?
Don't matter what other peopledo, people always gonna try to
say how you should be, what youshould be doing and why you act
this way, you should act inother way, and things like that,
and that's not cool.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
They should care about their lives yeah, but to
me it's actions speak louderthan words.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
mean no like, like.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
people will say one thing Like okay, a lot of girls.
they will say, oh, I want asweet, caring, nice guy.
And then I'm like okay, who areyour last five exes?
Oh, this guy was a narcissist,this guy's a sociopath, this
guy's a fuck boy.
This guy's a fuck boy.
I'm like, okay, so you say youlike nice guys, but then you're
choosing to date the assholeguys.

(05:03):
But then you're choosing todate the asshole guys.
So I'm like that's why I likesometimes don't believe girls
when they when they say, maybe Ilike the nice guy, or I like
sweet guys, or blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I have a lot of people in the world.
It's like some people gonna saylike yo, yeah, it's good to
watch people, because sometimespeople are going to say that
they like one thing and they aredoing other thing.
Right, but they talk more aboutthemselves.
So it's like if you want to bea good guy, because you're a
good guy and you believe thatyour actions are true and you're
the right person, keep on thatLike.

(05:34):
Stop to hear what they want youto be.
You don't sound like anarcissist saying these things.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I know I'm not a narcissist anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I used to be no, because you really care about,
like what they were saying foryou.
It's not that I care.
It was kind of like I don'tknow a survival behavior maybe.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Survival behavior.
Well, it's just if okay.
If I would have kept down thesim path and just be this, oh
nice sweet boy, I would havejust been alone forever.
Why do you?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
have against nice sweet boys.
If you think that you are one,you think that you're never
gonna be able to be with like apretty girl, a cool girl,
intelligent girl, because you'rea nice and sweet never wow.
So I don't know, maybe youcould work on that.
I feel that if you believe thatyou can and that's the way you
are you're gonna find the personhere's why I disagree with you.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
When I I'm speaking not from, like my theory, I read
it in a book somewhere I'mspeaking on when I was a nice
guy I literally went on.
I remember this is when tinderfirst started, right, and I was
like, oh, maybe I can get agirlfriend because now it's
online.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I went on literally 10dates in a row and got friend
zoned on every single and everyevery time you would be.

(06:46):
Any girl would be so lucky tohave you, Zach, Just not me.
And in my brain I'm like anygirl, Because the last 10 girls
all said that any girl would belucky to have me, but none of
y'all are dating me.
So then I was like fuck this,I'm just going to go be a fuck
boy instead.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, and then go be a fuck boy instead, yeah, and
then became a fuck boy.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
All the girls were like, oh my God, I'm falling in
love with me, but it's the same,like as a girl.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I say like, oh, okay, so like I'm so nice and the
guys are always take advantageof me or things like that, so I
should start to behave like abad girl or things like that.
I will, I am to fit in theother people's expectations of
me, but I agree with you.
That's a great answer.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
There you go.
No, but, but yeah, and look,I'm going to tell you this.
This is just the truth.
Yeah, okay, and you're probablynot going to hear it.
Okay, the reason it works foryou, yeah, is because you're hot
.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I don't know.
I think it's because I believein myself.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I mean that might help, but it's because you're
hot.
That's the reason, no no, no,no, no.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And that's the other thing too.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's like I wasn't the girl that since high school
is the hot girl, so you used tobe ugly.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
No, I used to have a lot of friends and I was always
like a friend.
They never saw me as a prettygirl, but I started modeling
really young.
And then, when you're in highschool, when you start to go
like, oh, I'm from Itu, it's asmall town, so now I'm going to
Sao Paulo and I have an agencyand they are doing castings for
outside of Brazil.

(08:16):
So you kind of become like, oh,people know who she is because,
like, not many girls in yourcity are doing the same thing.
You know.
And then people start to treatyou different.
You know, they start to treatyou different, and then you
realize, well, but I'm the sameperson that I was yesterday.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
But did you also?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Why today people are going to start to see me with
other eyes.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
You know what I mean.
But did you also get hotterLike?
You learned how to do yourmakeup.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
You learned how to dress well you maybe got fit
like yeah, because here's.
Here's why I don't feel that Ichanged as much.
That was the funny thing, Ithink.
Like my face, I didn't changeas much.
I was being like the health isskinny and my face always was
like this I don't have surgeriesfor now.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Maybe one day I don't know, but I don't have friends.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't think that's like I really changed as much.
Actually, like even my friendsfrom high school.
I still have my friends fromhigh school instagram, you know.
It's like they always.
Sometimes I don't talk withthese people for a long time and
then they send me like a dm ohmy gosh, man, I just saw you.
You look like the same in highschool.
That's so cool.
I'll go to connex again andthings like that.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
So I don't know, I'm that's just so weird to me, just
because every experience I'vehad is like, like yeah, here's a
good example okay you know,oprah right yes, yes, yes,
probably the most successfulwoman of all time, rich, famous,
blowing up blah, blah, blah.
I don't know a single one of myguy friends that would date

(09:46):
oprah because she's notattractive well, she's much
older than you now too yeah, buteven even when she was younger
right, you just?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
just so you're saying that looks really count for
girls yes for girls.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
if you're a hot girl, you're gonna have a line of
dudes waiting to date you,regardless of you could be the
biggest bitch in the world.
You could be poor, unsuccessful.
If you started driving for Ubertomorrow, probably 50% of guys
who you gave a ride to would askfor your number after the thing
right, any guy who drives forUber.
When's the last time you askedyour Uber driver for his number?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
So you're basically saying that girls are interested
in status and guys areinterested in the looks?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yep Girls are interested in money, status,
personality.
Okay, so here you go Confidence.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I think, if you believe that it's true, no, no,
because it's true.
It's true regardless.
What do you mean?
No, I don't believe that it'strue.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
No no.
Because, it's your truth.
It's true regardless.
No, I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I believe that's like if you're saying that and you
really believe in that, that'syour truth.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Then why do all the rich, successful, famous guys
have hot girls?

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Because you always gonna attract the kind of person
that's like have the similarinterest as you or is vibing the
same frequency as you.
It's more like suit you.
I guess, like we have this wordthat we can really see.
You're seeing me here, I'mseeing you.
We have the microphone yeah,yeah but, like at the same time
have other things happening atthe same time.
You know what I mean?

(11:14):
Like it's a more a frequencything about energy.
And if I wake up every day andI say like, oh, my life suck, my
life gonna suck.
If I wake up every day sayingthat to myself, my life sucks, I
don't look good, I it's like mylife gonna go all the way down.
But if I woke up and I say youknow what, today's a good day

(11:35):
and you're gonna start to payattention in all the little
things of your day that aregonna make your day be great.
So I really think that's likeall these mechanisms are like
inside of your mind here's why Idisagree with you.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Let me ask you this and tell me what you think.
Let's say I'm like okay, I'mgonna use your strategy, right,
okay, so every day I wake upit's not a strategy, I'm just
saying whatever it's likemanifesting, kind of like
manifestation I think it's morebelieving believing.
So every day I wake up I go inthe mirror and I say I believe
I'm gonna get an attractive,sweet, kind, amazing girlfriend

(12:12):
okay even though I play videogames 10 hours a day in my mom's
basement and don't have a job.
Would you be like, oh yeah,you're gonna do it?
Or you're like, nah, bro, yougotta get a job.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Stop playing video games, I guess if you look to
the mirror and you say that andyou are just saying and not
believing, this is never gonnawhat if you believe it though?
No, I think it's like if youreally believe, but you're
saying like, well, like the guynever go out of his home so he
can't find a girl.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, I'm just saying girls don't want to date a guy
who plays video games eighthours a day in his mom's
basement.
Girls want a guy who'sambitious, successful, confident
, all those things.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
If she is successful and confident, she's going to
attract a guy that's successfuland confident, because it's what
she is.
So it's like a mirror, right,she's going to be looking for
that.
But if she's a girl, too,that's like I don't know in her
mom's basement play video gameall day.
Maybe it's a perfect match forthis guy and maybe they can
become gamers together and makelike an enterprise of like games

(13:15):
and become a team I don't knowand they can fall in love, maybe
.
And maybe they look good andmaybe they are successful and
maybe people want to watch theyand I don't know streaming right
, it's like who knows?
yeah, I just see it's possibleif they really believe and they
go for that like I just tend tolove that this whole belief

(13:36):
thing.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Again it works because you're a hot girl.
I think if you were ugly, IWell because we are talking
about relationships here, right.
But even anything.
Okay, let me give you anotherexample.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Let's say I want to go on a private jet.
Okay, so I go private jet,private jet, every day in the
mirror.
Private jet, private jet,private jet.
The only way for me to get aprivate jet is go sacrifice the
next 20 years of my life workingon my business.
Sacrifice my relationships.
My marriages go through threedivorces I don't know.

(14:09):
So I can make enough money tobuy a private jet?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
No, I do not know, because maybe, for example, you
love to play piano.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Okay.
So let's say that one day yougo to sleep and you mentalize I
really want to create a new song.
Okay, I really want to create anew song Okay.
I really want to create a newsong.
I want something new, that thewords you never saw.
But I know that I can createthat and I believe that I can
Because I know how to play piano.
Right, you know how to playpiano and I love music.

(14:40):
I love music.
So why couldn't I be a channelfor this wonderful music?
Go to my body and create that,create something, and maybe this
will happen, and maybe you'regoing to create this music.

(15:04):
That's so wonderful thateveryone's gonna be, oh my gosh,
it's like that's so nice, whoa,yeah, let's, let's work on that
, let's show that for the world,and maybe you're gonna have
your private jet.
Here you go I don't know it?
you really wanted the jazz, orit was just an example if you
really wanted to do it.
This is just a thoughtexperiment.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
This is a thought, okay.
It just seems like it's sodisproportionately skewed toward
, like I've seen hot girlsbelieve in crazy shit, tulum,
private jet, blah, blah, blah,everything and they just go boom
, they're all over the place.
I never see ugly girls manifest.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, maybe there was manifesting the case that
you're saying.
I don't know what they wereasking for, manifest, but, like
in my point of view, it's likeIf you think that's impossible
for you and you're never goingto manifest that you're not, so
here I think that I've beenbelieving in my life and it

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really works.
It's more like Some things areimpossible for me what I don't
know, like I don't know likesomething to say right now, but
the point is more like okay,some things are impossible for
me, but I believe in theuniverse.
No, not the universe.

(16:20):
Who created the universe.
Who created the universe?
God.
So maybe what's impossible tome is not impossible for who
creates everything.
That's other source to beconnected with and really
believe in yourself and what youcan do.
And if you believe that and youwork hard for your things, I'm

(16:42):
really sure that you're going tohave all that you want.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean I'm a very big believer, Like
everything I've done in my lifeis like.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You're an artist, I agree, like I think that you
should be.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
That I'm what.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
You are an artist, right Like you play piano.
That's an art form.
So I'm sure that you'reconnected with some other source
.
That's not the black wise wordthat we see outside no, it's
mostly black and white worldyeah, why it's just the piano
everything I've accomplished inmy life has been me.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Like me just fucking making a plan and then doing all
the steps to accomplish thegoal.
And like the universe, like Imanifested that shit myself.
Like the universe.
I don't like when people givethe universe credit.
Oh, like not the universe, godor god, whatever it's like.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, I did that shit, you know what I mean with help
of god well sometimes, like forme, what happened sometimes when
something really nice happenedto me.
I know how hard it was and howlong I was working for that and
how you need to really to keepyours straight.
You know like you really needto keep like your focus and

(17:55):
because you're gonna feel downsome days right like no one
feels so positive every day.
So I believe that's like, yeah,I had like external help.
You want an example yeah, sure,okay.
So one time I was in Brazil andI was really like sad and upset

(18:18):
about life and I don't know why.
I asked God like for some kindof help in my dreams.
I have a lot of dreams that Ireally can remember and tell
people the other day, you know,because they're kind of cool.
So I say, oh my gosh, I hadthis dream.
It's nuts yeah and in this dream, my grandma that's already dead
, the mom of my dad.

(18:39):
She came to me and she gave methis book, but it wasn't like uh
, it's not a bible, it's uh,she's from, uh, she was from a
evangelic church.
So they have this book thatthey use to praise the lord.
You know what I mean it's likesongs.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
They go there, they say oh number, no, no, they
start to say yeah, okay, I grewup catholic, so I know that yeah
.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
So she gave me that in my dream.
I woke up, I had this image ofshe gave me this in her dream
and I was like, oh my gosh,she's true, she had this book.
It's a white book.
I remember that and I woke upbut I say, well, okay, cool
dream, but take it easy, woke up, we started to walk on the

(19:23):
house and then suddenly thecleaner lady was in the house
that day.
She was like moving everythingthat was in the living room.
So when I'm going to thekitchen I see the book on the
table and I was like, okay, Inever saw this book since my
grandma died.
I just had this dream that shewas giving me this book when I

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went to sleep, asking for somekind of help, and I found that
there.
You can say, oh, it was acoincidence.
Okay, you can say that, oh, itwas a coincidence.
Like these things happen, but inmy life things don't happen as
coincidence.
It's kind of more likesynchronicity, you know, like it
looks like I'm kind ofmentalizing something and all of

(20:08):
a sudden this opportunityappeared in my life and I say,
yeah, okay, cool, I'm gonna takeit interesting I just you know
what I mean.
I mean I because I've heardpeople say similar stories.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I've just it's never happened to me, it's just never
like I've never had never tillnow.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Maybe it's like ghost I've never had someone talk to
me.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
It's just never like I've never had never till now.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Maybe it's like a ghost I've never had someone
talk to me in my sleep but likenothing, just like yeah, well,
if you start to read, maybe moreabout that, I guess like your
brain gonna start to be moreused with the idea maybe right.
So it's like it's kind oftraining yourself too.
It's like the same asmeditation.
One thing about meditation likewhen you're conscious, you

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always have this voice inside ofyour mind.
That's like you have a voicethat's really friendly, right.
Like, yeah, I can do this, Ican do that, and you have the
other voice that's always tryingto push you down, Like oh, I
don't know if you're.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
I have a third voice you want?
To say the other voice it'slike a negative voice that helps
me okay, it's like get off thecouch, loser.
Go to the fucking gym.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You're fucking you're fucking weak.
It's like that.
You know well that's.
Maybe it's your friend voice.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Being a kind of rude, I'm more motivated, like, like,
like, when people are like, hey, like, maybe you should, this
would be cool, like, no, itdoesn't motivate me.
I need like.
That's why I've never been totherapy, because, well, I did
once, but I had a bad experiencewith it.
Um, but that's I'm.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm scared that the therapist is going to get rid of
too much of my anxiety and I'mjust going to be happy all the
time oh, and I don't like Idon't know, too happy well, just
don't do medicine, because herein us is really common that you
go to a therapy and they startto give you medicine.
Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, and youcan see, like in the propaganda

(21:48):
on television.
For me it's nuts Because, likein Brazil or I don't know, in
other countries you are watchingTV and you don't see so many
like commercials for mentalhealth, and here you see a lot.
So I don't know, I have atendency to see a society like
inside of a program.
So when I, if you imagine thatI don't know how his wife is

(22:09):
every day in her house and sheis watching something, and all
the time mental health, mentalhealth, the person will start to
go kind of crazy.
it's like clockwork orange, youknow like you put your eyes
you're watching something, it'slike, oh my gosh, and yeah, it's
like oh my gosh, and yeah, it'slike television phone.
You always have like thismessage you know, nowadays
everything's so political too,so they want you to say your

(22:33):
opinion so they can put you inthe right box or in the left box
.

Speaker 3 (22:37):

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So it's so programming.
So I don't know.
I think we kind of need tobreak free and really believe
that have other source, likereally guiding us in life, for
be your best version.
But my point with the secondvoice was like sometimes you're
going to need to the secondvoice to shut up.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's like you're going to need like to say OK, I
want to do that, I believe inmyself, I've been working for
that, I know what I'm capable.
So it's like okay, no, you'renot capable, no, I don't believe
in you.
Thank you so much for youropinion, but I don't go with
that flow.
Why?
Because it makes me feel bad.
If I feel bad, my energy feelslow.

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If my energy feels low, it'slike and it's funny when you
feel low, everyone's gonna startto attack you.
It's like, kind of, that's whatI'm saying.
Some things are really likethere.
We can't really see, but we canfeel.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I do think, though, that our society is almost
pushing too far in thatdirection, and I think a lot of
mental health issues stem fromtoo much positivity.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think it's funny because I don't know I just feel
like this why we don't seepropagandas about like have a
better relationship with yourfamily, for example or you know
what I mean.
To have more supportive parents, for example.
I love my parents, I love myparents, my parents are the kind

(24:08):
of people that's like I was akid and my friends gonna make
fun of me because I saysomething like, oh, one day
you're gonna be doing that.
And they're gonna make fun ofme like, oh my gosh, what she
thinks she is, that she's sayingthat, and my parents was like,
oh, they don't know if you'regonna be able to do that or no.
What do you think I think I can.

(24:29):
That's what I said.
Okay, so cool, so you can.
Yeah, yeah.
So you can, and I think somepeople don't have this lucky.
You're saying that your parentsare like these two.
They're really like supportivevery much but some people don't
have the same, like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Supportive parents are like a cool family, but even
like, like, like the kids whomade fun of you right yeah,
wasn't that just as much of amotivator of like I'm gonna show
sometimes I'm not gonna lie,yeah, that shit motivates me
more than support like I neededthat negative like I got made
fun of for being poor and I'mlike yeah one day I want to
become fucking rich in us.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
It just happened.
A lot people make fun of you inus, if you have money or not.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
But I'm glad, I'm glad they made fun of me,
because now I was like fuck allyou guys, I'm gonna become rich
yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree withyou.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Agree with you.
Yeah, sometimes it was like amotivating factor.
Yeah, uh, sometimes, dependingfrom who is saying something
about you can hurt because, like, sometimes you have a person
that you really love and it'slike it's really you thought
that it was a friend and sayingsomething bad about you and it's
not like really to motivate you.
Look like they are afraidBecause maybe you're going to be

(25:41):
successful.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
This can be true, and that's when you show them wrong
and be like yeah bitch, I gotyou, yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's
life.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, sometimes it's a good thing.
Yeah, if everyone was like allthe time just motivate, well, I
think.
If everyone was like all thetime just motivate, well, I
think, like in family, yeah,this should be your family to
motivate you, because one thingis like your friends don't
believe in you and other thingis like your dad not believing
you that can really cause sometrauma.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Here's why I really think my dad was such a great
parent is because he wassupportive of me, but also like
old school and like fucking workfor it.
You know, he wasn't like, oh,like, like, like if I came home
crying one day from school likeone day I came home crying
because, like some kid beat mein recess in football and he was

(26:28):
bragging about it to the wholeschool, I'll come home crying
right and my dad isn't like oh,poor little boo-boo, poor little
gen z, let's talk about yourfeelings.
Yeah, he's like fucking work,outwork him.
And then that summer I spent allthe time fucking running in my
backyard doing left so that Icould beat him in football next
year if it's stronger yeah, andso my dad, like it's like, he

(26:51):
didn't coddle me, and I thinkkids nowadays are coddled and oh
, let's go ride bird scootersand talk about your feelings,
blah, blah, blah, instead oflike no, fucking man up
especially for guys like fuckingman up and fix the problem yeah
, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think it's hard to say because I don't have kids.
Do you?
No yeah, so.
I feel that it's hard to sayit's like.
I guess you're gonna make mefeel mad.
If I was your mom, maybe I'mgonna go to school and I want to
beat the kid.
You know it's like.
I don't know it's like and it'sdifferent.
It's different for girls.
I do think it's different forgirls and guys, you know, yeah,
like I don't know what it's liketo be a girl.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You guys have more like like we have testosterone.
You know what I mean yeah solike we.
But but some guys are unable toaccess their testosterone
because when, when they feelstress, instead of releasing
testosterone, be like, I'm gonnafucking fix the problem, let's
fucking go baby yeah insteadthey it's flight or fight.
And then they, instead of fight, they go in flight and they
hide from their problems.

(27:45):
Oh, let's get you a therapist,we'll talk about your feelings.
Then you get some drugs.
Now you're drugged up on someantidepressants and then you
just like I'm against this kindof mental drugs.
Yeah, I am too, I mean unlessit's like a very rare situation.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I think it's like yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Here's what I think Before you.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I think like the problem is that you are sending
the message for a disparagingthat's like oh, your brain don't
work right.
Your brain don't work like theother people.
Yeah, it's like gonna put youin a position that's like oh my
gosh, something is wrong with meand I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I don't think that's really helpful yeah, but a lot
of people get mad when I saythat like no, zach, we need more
mental health awareness.
We need more.
Guys should go to therapy.
I think we need more compassion.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think we need more compassion no, I need less
compassion.
I need more.
No, because that's notcompassion, you'll say for
someone.
No, people are so fucked upthey really need to take their
medicines.
That's not a compassion yeah,that's not like, if you
understand, like okay, so wherethis person came from, how was
like their situation with theirfamily, like okay, let's talk
about that, like maybe youdidn't didn't feel that they

(28:56):
wasn't supportive, or thingslike that.
I don't know, it's the samekids that don't have a good
relationship inside of theirhome and then they have such a
good relationship with theirfriends.
And they feel that theirfriends are more than family.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Than their actual family.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying Morecompassion.
I guess that's what I meanCompassion I'm.
So that's what I'm saying morecompassion I guess that's what I
mean is like I feel compassion.
I'm saying like really empathy,yeah, like, oh fucks, like this
happened with you in your life.
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry I Ican't be there to feel the pain
for you, because you'll be.
I could never help you if I wasfeeling the same pain as you,
but sometimes a friend that seethe same thing from a different

(29:35):
perspective really can help youlike can, oh man, I haven't
solved this way before.
It's true what you're saying.
So you can kind of like expandin your world and not feel like
so isolated and you need the.
You're not normal, your brain'snot working.
It's like your brain is not.
Your enemy should be here tohelp you, it's like you know the

(29:57):
only thing about that is likeit's interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Okay, I dated this girl one time and every
wednesday she would be mad at mefor no reason.
I was trying to figure out.
Why is wednesdays?
I'm like sherlock, you know,sherlock holmes, I'm finding the
clues.
Like wednesday, wednesday, andI figure out.
Every wednesday she went totherapy and her therapist would
like drudge up all this stufffrom her past.
Oh, your mom put your sister'sspelling test in the fridge and

(30:24):
not yours, and that's why youhave anxiety.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right, and after six months itwasn't getting any better.
Every week she'd go to therapy.
She gets pissed off for noreason and I'm like yo, I, I
have zero therapist degree, Ihave zero experience in therapy
and I knew the reason she hadanxiety, because every morning
she'd wake up, she would takeher phone in one hand and her

(30:44):
vape in the other hand and she'dlook at tiktok, two inches from
her eyeballs, for like threehours and suck in nicotine like
it's oxygen.
I'm like that's why I haveanxiety, not because your mom
put your spelling test in thefridge.
It's like sometimes I think allthat digging up stuff from the
past, it's like you just need tosolve the problem.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's going on.
I feel that depends um dependsokay, for example, if you wanna
uh re-signify, like, uh, how yousay that?
Like, give other meaning for asituation that happened because
maybe it was watching something,as with kids eyes, you know,
and then you grow up and youcan't see that in other way give

(31:24):
me an example oh, I don't know.
I don't know in my life, butlike I don't know, maybe you
thought that's like your momwasn't so present, but then you
grow up and you understandthat's like, oh yeah, sure she
wasn't, like I was a kid needingsome, but like now I understand
why she did that, I understandthat, like she needed to do that

(31:47):
for me to be where I am today,for the family.
It's like you give other meaningor for something that happened
because or you can go all yourlife like, oh, my mom and all I
you know, and always put theblame on your parents.
What's pretty normal put theblame on your parents for some
kind of stuff, but it's no oneto blame.

(32:08):
It's life and I'm sure thatthey were trying to do the best
that they could.
But if you go every time, it'sjust like yo, she's going to the
therapy to say shit about herparents.
I'm gonna say to the therapistI stopped to say shit about my
parents.
I don't care what you're saying.
It's like I love my parents,like they teach me cool things
too, and let's focus on the good, because I want to go out of

(32:29):
here better I just remember umback when I was in college for
piano right I used to get somuch anxiety for like getting up
.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like every semester we'd have to get up on stage and
the whole like school's thereand you have to like play a song
.
And like you're nervous becausethe song's really difficult and
you're up there and you're likeshaky and blah, blah, blah and I
remember being in thatsituation and it's like you know
, an hour before I have to playand you to play and you get that
anxiety, you get that nervousfeeling and you can try to talk

(33:00):
yourself out of it.
Oh, why am I so nervous?
Nobody even cares that much, orwhy am I so nervous?
I'm just going to do my best.
Why am I so nervous?
It doesn't help me to benervous, so you know who cares,
yeah, but you can't get rid ofthe anxiety until you just go up
and fucking play the piano andonce you playing it goes away,
but like it doesn't never.
I could never talk myself outof the anxiety and I think a lot

(33:21):
of therapy you talk about itkind of makes you feel better,
maybe for the next couple hoursafter therapy.
It's a good band-aid, put theband-aid on it and then three
hours later you have anxietyagain and it's just like I know
people have been going totherapy for like 10 years and
I'm like at some point it's likeis this working?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
They became friends, maybe.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Do you know the definition they?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
became friends.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
For real.
I think a lot of therapists arejust like oh, it's like my
buddy, like whatever you know.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Maybe they have a good time talking.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, but it's.
It's just bizarre to me thatlike like, have you heard the
definition?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
of insanity?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
no, it's doing the same thing over and over and
expecting a different result,okay.
So if you're doing the samething over and over, going to
therapy every week for 10 years,and you still have anxiety?
Yeah like at some point, likemaybe try going to the gym or
maybe try like I don't know,like getting your life together
something.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Maybe try making more friends like I don't know, like
there, yeah, I believe thatsome pets in your life, things
that, like you, go on repeats,are kind of important, because
just when you start to repeatthe same thing, you understand
that's going wrong.
So oh, here's where, uh, thepart of my life that I need to
change or improve.
Right, so, repetitions are aregood sometimes, but, like after

(34:37):
10 years, I don't know, maybesome people repeat things for
all their lives because they arein this pad and that's what
they need to do in the world.
Be repeating the same.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
It's like I don't know and it's crazy to me that I
don't know if you know thestats on it, but the highest
rates of depression, anxiety,all these mental health issues
are all in the richest countriesin the world.
It's in the United States, it'sin parts of Europe.
If you go to Venezuela, nobodyhas depression and I think the
reason is when you're five yearsold in Venezuela and your

(35:09):
family runs out of water and youhave to walk five miles in the
sweltering heat on your Androidphone and pray to god there's
enough water in the well thatday for your family.
Then, when you grow up andyou're 18 and your girlfriend
breaks up with you, well, theyhave like not that big of a deal
.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You have other other thing to think too.
Like in the rich countries theyhave like the the medicine is
so in on society.
That's like they're alreadytrying to diagnose kids we're
trying to push it up, yeah sothat's another point too.
Maybe we don't have, like somany doctors and such like a

(35:44):
huge pharmaceutical industrytrying to sell so much in a
country.
That's poor.
Right, it's like that can beatyou and it's like that's other
that could be part of the pointbecause, like, if you think
about venezuela, brazil,argentina, we are all like the
word sierra is like a thirdworld country and, I don't know,

(36:05):
maybe that can be the hugedifference too.
That's why in the richestcountries like I don't know,
people are trying to push somuch because they know that the
people have money to be like onmedicine every month.
But in brazil, I guess theyhave a huge like depression,
like percentage in brazil, inbrazil, I don't realize that.
I realized the other day becauseI made more research on google

(36:26):
when they saw that it's likethey have like a high level
depression interesting yeah,yeah what do you think about
just in in general, culture-wise, Brazil versus LA, Like what
was it like you first moved here?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
You're meeting new people.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But, like LA, have this thing that you feel that
you know LA, even if you don'tknow LA, because you see LA on
TV.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
So you already kind of were used to the Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, I wasn't used to that, it was new.
But like being here isdifferent for sure.
But I guess you always have anidea.
For example, I was a big fan ofGreen Day.
Green Day is California.
I don't think it's LA, but it'slike Hattie, hot Chili Peppers
and the Doors, so I had thiskind of connection with LA.
Think about like the art side ofLA.

(37:16):
Hollywood is the art side too,but I guess guess in my case was
more because of the bands and Ilike those bands so much, so in
my mind it's like, wow, peoplein LA are so free.
So that was my image, becauseof like the bands and things
like that.
And then being here and seeingthe Hollywoodllywood side, yeah,

(37:37):
I understood how things can beso plastic and like that's the
way you need to be and I care somuch about my image and that's
all that I have and I need toprotect that and I need to make
money and then it.
So it's the other kind ofsituation.
So before I had understood,that's like, oh, it's a free

(37:57):
place, everyone do art there andpeople are so creative and they
motivate each other and butyeah, I was lucky enough to know
a lot of cool people here.
So even like the things ofHollywood I'm starting to like
too.
Like I feel that, like it'sreally funny.
I like humans, I guess I likethe humanity and how the society

(38:20):
is.
Somehow some things are bad buta lot of things are good too
yeah, I like creative people.
So it's like if they're doinglike a super cool video and
things like that, it's like whoa, that's nice.
I want to be part of that, youknow.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .
It is interesting, I'm fromWisconsin originally, okay, so
it's pretty big like cultureshock and and just how obsessed
people are with their image andmaintaining a certain image.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I dated this girl one time.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
This was like you dated a lot of girls.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Me.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, cause I dated this girl one time and I dated
this girl one time and this girlduring my villain well, they
teach you a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
That's good yeah, during I used to be a fuck boy.
So during my do you know whatfuck boy means?
Yeah, okay.
So during my fuck boy days Idefinitely dated a lot of girls.
Now, now I'm recovering fuckboy.
I'm very shy and romantic, sonot as much, but back in the day
, but I have good stories fromit because, like, funny shit
happens.
So this girl this was backearly covid when everybody was

(39:20):
blowing up on tiktok.
Do you remember that, like youpost one video of you in a dress
?
It's like fucking a millionviews.
It's crazy oh, I don't havetiktok, oh okay okay, you
somehow dodged that bullet, butgood for you, good for you
instagram is already millionplus tiktok followers, right,
yeah.
And if you go on her Instagram,on her stories, every day she's
in Lamborghinis, mansions,private jets, all this stuff,

(39:43):
right.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Oh my gosh, what does she do?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
She just did the TikTok influencer stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
But here's the crazy part.
Here's the crazy part.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
So every time we would hang out, she would always
come to my place, right, and Iwas like, like you know, you
drive.
She lived in the valley.
I was like you drive from thevalley every day through traffic
, like every so often I can likecome to your place.
She's like no, no, it's okay.
I'm like that's weird.
So one time I go to her placeand I drive through the valley

(40:10):
and the valley is like have youseen the movie the lion king?
Yes you know when mufasa's upon Pride Rock.
Yeah.
And he's like Simba everythingthe light touches is your
kingdom.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, cool.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And then he's like those dark, shadowy areas.
Never go there.
There's crackhead hyenas.
It's dangerous.
She lived in like the dark,shadowy area of the valley like
this sketch, oh, okay, and therewas graffiti all over the place
.
There's like feral childrenscurrying around in the sewers.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love graffiti, but this was like sketchy graffiti.
I love graffiti, so.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I go to her house, right, and she's like, hey, I'm
like, hey, I didn't expect this,but cool, her like three
roommates are sitting on thecouch, you know.
And I'm like, yeah, give me thetour.
And she opens this door and I'mlike, oh, this is a nice
walk-in closet.
And she's like, no, zach,that's my room.
And I look down.
There's just a mattress on theground, no fitted sheet, just a

(41:06):
flat.
I can go like this, I can touchboth of the walls.
But the craziest part, andyou're not going to believe this
we started watching hulu on herlaptop because she doesn't have
a tv.
We started watching tv.
I've been a laptop girl doesn'thave a TV.
We started watching.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
TV.
I've been a laptop girl for along time.
I've been traveling and stayingin model's apartments, so I
really understand.
She was a model too.
She was like here modeling.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I mean she was kind of an influencer but kind of
like modeling, Like she would doTikTok, but it was a model
apartment that she was living in, or no, it was a house that she
was renting with her friends.
No, I'm pretty sure she wasrenting it.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, people do that a lot in LA Most of the model
apartments are like in Hollywood, west Hollywood, yeah, yeah In.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Beverly.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Hills too.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, I used to do the model apartment thing.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, and she had Hulu with advertisements.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I was like you were on a private jet yesterday.
I guess I have Hulu.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's crazy I guess I have hulu too with advertising.
Why do you were against that?
Because, I'm not against itbecause I hate advertising but
like a question, uh, because youcan't have the hulu without
advertising.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
No, no yeah, you can.
You can you pay like five bucksmore a month and you get it
with no ads.
But my point was like like,like.
If you looked at her instagram,you would think this girl is
rich, rich, you think she's abillionaire all this.
And then you go to her house and, like man, this girl doesn't
make but her image because she'sin la, she has to maintain I'm
rich, I go to cool things, Ihave yachts, blah blah, and it's

(42:30):
like really nothing like it'sjust crazy here, but she was
okay with that I mean I guess, Idon't know no, you know, he was
hanging out with her.
She was okay, well obviously shewants to have more money yeah
but it's like, obviously peoplepost on instagram the best parts
of their life and since she wasa hot girl, she got invited to

(42:51):
everything oh this guy took meon his yacht.
Oh, this promoter is having atrip to tulum, whatever you know
so she you do all the hot girlshit.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And that's why I say like like I'm straight white
male, right.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Okay so.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I have white male privileges, like right here, and
I'm a Pisces, so it's likeright here.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, no, actually that's funny.
I thought that I was a Latina.
What do you mean?
You thought you were a whitegirl.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are your parents white or not?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, I have a huge mix in my family.
I have like European people andfrom my dad's side actually I
have like his dad come, like Hisgrandpa came from Portugal.
From my other grandma's side wehave people from Spain, but the
mom of my dad, my grandma, theone that I had a dream with, she

(43:41):
in her bloodline.
She had like Africans andnatives too.
So I'm a huge mix, but inBrazil I'm considered like a
white girl.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Really yeah, Because your eyes are kind of like
lighter.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, White girls like normal, but like here
.
Once I came to US they startedto say like, oh no, you're like,
like.
You cannot be Brazilian andwhite in the same time.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I see, yeah, we don't consider people that are
Brazilian white.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,and it's interesting because I
don't know if you know this, butall these races that we have,
races, they're all made up.
There's four phenotypes thatare actually based on, like your
DNA, and it's Aryan, the Aryanrace, mediterranean.
Aryan is the Hitler race.

(44:28):
I mean, it's the race thatHitler was trying to put.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, he was trying to, but it's like blonde hair,
blue eyes.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
It's like that group of people.
Okay.
And then there's Mediterranean,there's Asian and there's
African.
So people, for example, who areNative American or Latin, you
have very similar genetics toAsian people because the way
that South America got populatedis, people came from Asia
across the Bering Strait toAlaska because Alaska used to be

(44:55):
connected to Asia, and thenthey migrated down to.
You know, north America became.
Native Americans I saw that too,and then Brazil and everything
else, and then became and that'swhy a lot of times people are
Like you notice, asian peopleand Latin people have very
similar like facial features.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Do you think so?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, I think we are so mixed already.
I consider myself Brazilian.
Yeah, yeah I think we are somixed already.
I consider myself brazilian.
I mean, it is what it is like.
Yeah, that's what we in societytoday.
We just say no, but it's truewhat you're saying.
I watched a document the othertime.
I don't remember the the name,but it was about a guy that was
trying to prove that the firstpeople that get in one island in

(45:35):
the middle of the Pacific OceanI don't remember which one is,
it's not like the Pascoa, it'snot like down there, it's up.
I don't remember the name.
It's horrible when you try tosay something you don't remember
the name, but whatever.
So he was trying to prove thatthe Peruvian people, people from
Peru, was the first people toget there, before other cultures

(45:56):
or race.
Why?
Because they used to travelaround the world too, not just
like the vikings was travelingin boats.
You know what I mean people fromthe south was really going to
other places too, and he wastrying to prove that.
So, yeah, like, people beentraveling since always, but when
we look to history, it's alwaysone version of the facts.

(46:20):
That happened, but people wasalways in movement.
So I really believe, forexample, that people should be
able to live in every part ofthe world if they wanted to.
And we're in my case, if I haveso many mixes, like I mix it
with so many races, so why not,like I should be able to go to
all the world, right?
Because?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I took the 23andMe thing and I was hoping I got
something cool.
Not just white.
I got all the whitest countries.
It was like Germany, Ireland.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Fucking eggshell chalk Sweden Like all the just
whitest.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Well, that's good too , because you have a lot of
different cultures there too.
Sweden, like all the justwhitest.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Well, that's good too , because you have a lot of
different cultures there too.
Yeah, and it is interestingthat like okay, like anything
European people just say you'rewhite, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Whereas, like other places, people say like the
country, like, oh you'reBrazilian or you're Mexican,
they're like.
Whereas like nobody would saylike oh are you German, they'd
just be like oh, are you white?
It's like we don't designatewhite and black.
For some reason we don'tdesignate or even like like
people say indian and then asian, but india is part of asia, so

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indian people are asian people,but nobody says that.
They say they separate indianand asian based on have you been
in india?
no, I've been there you havebeen there, do you like it?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I was crazy to go there.
That's the history.
I was in milan, that wasmodeling, and I started to go
crazy with my sculptures, sayingI need to go to india.
He said what are you gonna dothat?
Because, like he asked what I'mgonna do there, because I just
got a um at the time, a job inmilan that they cutted my hair
and in india they like girls,the model profile is girls with

(47:58):
long hair.
So he was like, what are yougonna do in india?
Like why you want to go toindia now, you should like go to
other place inside of europe.
And I was no, no, no, no.
I want to go to india.
I need to go to india.
Because I was like I don't knowhaving a call to go to india
and I love it I love it mumbai.
It's like it's such a crazyplace.

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Look like you are in otherworld, inside of this world, and
I like this kind of sensationsee, I have a very specific type
of vacation I like okay I likevacations where we experience
the nightlife.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
We meet people, we go to the beach, we're drinking
margaritas on the beach, like Ilike that style of vacation.
I'm very you can have that evernot ever, but in a big city,
you can yeah, but I don't likesome people like the vacation of
like going to museums hey,let's see like, even like.
Have you seen the mona lisa?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
you have a lot of art here yeah so you like art you
seen the mona lisa.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
You have a lot of art here, yeah, so you like art.
You don't like museums.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Maybe you don't like they're so boring to me.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
They're so boring depending on the museum maybe
every single museum I've everbeen to is boring.
It's just like here in la.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Have you been here in la?
They have basquiat, they haveandy rojo yeah, it's boring to
me.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I don't get it basquiat is boring yeah, what is
basquiat?
That's an artist, yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Michelle basquiat he was really popular on the 80s.
He's still popular nowadays.
He's dead already, but he'samazing but?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
but don't you get bored, just look, it's like it's
a picture I think it'sinspiring.
I would never like come in herelike I like the way the room
looks, but I've never come inhere.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I love to paint.
No, no, no, I love to paint.
So it's like I love to reallybe in the colors, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
So I really like that , yeah, like I could understand
why someone would enjoy paintingyeah, I don't understand people
enjoying looking at paintingsoh, I think like I'll look at
for one second.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
That's a cool painting.
Okay, let's like well mona lisahad the same thing and same
effect on me, but I guessbecause everyone was like talk
mona lisa, mona lisa, mona lisa,mona lisa, and the louvre is
huge and have a lot of things tosing besides.
So it's like, okay, cool,everyone there trying to take a
picture of mona lisa.
But I like museums, I like art,as I told you, I like like

(50:10):
people that do art and I like tounderstand, like where you're
coming from with that, whereyou're putting that outside of
yourself, what is the?
I don't know.
I think it's a cool way ofliving, so I guess I admire it
more.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I just think I feel like a sheep when I look at art.
Do you understand what a sheepis?
Yeah, like, because I feel likepeople tell you to like art and
say, oh, this art is good, andthen your brain goes, oh, it
must be good because they saidit was good, not because it's
actually good, even like theMona Lisa.
Like, if I look at the MonaLisa, I'm like okay, like I've

(50:43):
seen like a billion paintings inLA that some dude just did like
.
Nowadays I'm like that's justas good, if not better than that
.
Like, why is the Mona Lisa?
It's just good because it'sfamous.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Because it was made in the past.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
It's just good because it's famous.
It wasn't nowadays.
It was like Leonardo da Vinci.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Wow, leonardo da Vinci is such an amazing person
because he did everything right.
Yeah, inventor, he was like,he's a very.
I guess he was the kind ofperson that's like he.
If you see that he inventedthat and he painted that too.
He was something about a guy.
Some people have a star, let'sput this way and I guess he's
the kind of person that have astar yeah, I just like you know

(51:18):
what I mean, and that's why he'spopular, too, nowadays like
yeah, and the two.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
The thing too is like half the the artwork nowadays
is like the abstract art yeahwhere I'm like.
This just looks like youblotched paint on the screen for
no reason yeah I'm like,literally a kindergartner.
Could like, could have madethis yeah but it's selling for
five thousand dollars becauseit's fancy art.
But it's only fancy art becausesome dude told you don't work
for everyone again don't workfor everyone.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Why work for some people and for some people don't
work?
That's the point that I'mreally like in to understand
what this person have, how likethey.
Some people are interesting,man, some people like.
Some people are interested.
Some people have like somethingand just say like oh that's
cool.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I want to know more about that I think I'm jaded
because of the fashion industry.
The fashion industry made mevery jaded because j is jaded
Okay people think that fashionis all about being creative and
artistic and everything likethat.
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Well, he's true.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I'm going to tell you why, Okay the reason you like
certain kinds of clothes isbecause there are seven dudes in
the top of a skyscraper thatown all the big brands.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Oh, I agree, and they have a big white board up there
.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
What are we gonna make people like?
Now, let's put the celebritiesin baggy pants over price.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
That's what I was saying to you about, like the
medicine on society yeah, it'slike you're talking now about
like, yeah, yeah yeah, Iunderstand that, but you have
other thing in art too.
You have, like, the art thatstart on the top of the pyramid
and you have the other art thatstart on the streets.
That's the art that I likegraffiti, if you're talking

(52:57):
about graffiti, yeah, yeahthat's what I like.
When people live in their liveswith the conditions that they
have, they start to create andthat's powerful, and then you're
gonna have huge brands tryinglike to copy these people if you
think even about jeans.
Like jeans become popular butwas one way for people to say
like well, everyone use jeansnowadays, but before it was just

(53:21):
the workers yeah, yeah, yeah sowas a way to people say like
well now it's cool, like I havemoney and I'm using my jeans
because I don't care.
You know, so it's like it'ssomething that they took from
the poor part of the society.
Let's put it this way, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
It's just seeing every different injury, even
music Because, like, be purewith.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Be poor Meaning that you don't have money is one
thing, but be poor Meaning thatyou don't have nothing inside of
you and you don't have.
Some people are rich and theyare fucking poor.
What.
Some people are rich and theyare poor Because they don't have
like nothing inside ofthemselves.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
But they're still rich.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Money.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, I'm talking about the other thing I'm
talking like about mypersonality and stuff.
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Right, it's like you live in la you know, of course
we know rich people that arefucking amazing and super cool.
And you know some people thatare rich and they're sad and
they are not doing great and soand then you met someone that's
a poor person and this person isso happy and so like full of
purpose with life and, I don'tknow, with a lot of energy.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, I still would rather be rich, though.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, I know, but money is not everything.
Yeah, I feel, yeah, obviously,like if you can live in
abundance.
The nature is abundance, soit's like please, let's live in
abundance.
But it's like I don't thinkthat can determine, can make
your life harder or easier, butreally, really, really, at the

(55:01):
end of the day, it's like what'sinside of your mind and how
you're like working withyourself, you know existing in
the planet.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
The thing is people say say have you heard?
People say health, wealth,relationships, those are the
three things.
The reason those are the threethings is wealth, which is money
obviously, can buy you anythingexcept health and except
relationships.
You can't pay somebody to go tothe gym for you and you can't
pay somebody to build arelationship for you with
somebody.
You have to do that yourself.
But everything else moneysolves a problem.

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I don't know how to cook higher.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I don't know, maybe, maybe money is a turn on for a
lot of people too.
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
a turn on?
Yeah, maybe it is.
I think all girls are prettymuch attracted to guys who have
money I never thought about thatlike as a guy because of money
that you don't, you don't, theydon't care about money at all.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
No, not that I don't care, but it's not like
something that I'm gonna be likeyo if I met the person wasn't
the first thing that I wasthinking about you know what I
mean.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Like it's like okay, maybe it helps five, ten percent
, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Like okay, I I I guess I never hang out with a
guy that was really rich.
I was like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Oh really, yeah Interesting.
So you like honestly like poordudes.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
No, I don't have a preference like I think I'm more
interested if, like, it's akind person, if it's an
intelligent person, it's aperson that loves culture.
Like I don't know.
I have other things that I putin front.
Because, imagine if the guy issuper rich and like I don't know
imagine if the guy is superrich and, like I don't know,

(56:34):
he's dumb and he's not crazy.
So so.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
So here's the thing that I don't understand about
that, though.
Okay, yeah, like for me, Idon't care if a girl has money,
but I care if a girl isattractive, but that's not the
only thing I care about but theysay that that's biological I
think it is well, you read aboutthat, have a name for that, but
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I have friends that really are into this, but they
say that's biological becausebefore woman was looking for a
guy to have protection yeah, andthe guy was looking for a woman
.
I'm saying like in the cavetype.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
And the guy was looking for a woman that could
give him like kids yeah,families.
So maybe that came from that.
And nowadays, like you havemoney, means that you can
protect better.
And provide yeah.
What is not true, Because somewomen are really with guys that
have money and they treat themso bad.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, I mean it depends, but it helps.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I feel Well, I heard, I have the money and I don't
need to care.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Okay.
So if you went on a first datewith a guy, I want to be hot and
have money.
So I mean, that's Both, that'sthe best.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's both.
So if you go on a first datewith a guy?

Speaker 3 (57:50):
yeah, would you split the bill?
I did a lot of times you did,and that did that bother you at
all, were you like?
I wish I had a guy who justlike, kind of like, sweep me off
my feet, be a man, and just hey, I got it, I'll take care of it
.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Well, I invited my guys to go with you, sometimes
like you what I invited, likesome guys to, to eat something
like, oh, I want to go, to go tothis place.
And they say like, oh, I don'tknow.
I like, oh, it's expensive.
Whatever I say, I don't care, Ireally want to go.
Like, let's go.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
And split.
You can pay too, I seeSometimes.
That's interesting because,like I would feel weird if I
took a girl on a date.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I don't know.
Parents are work class peopletoo, and they always help each
other, so I don't see it as acrazy thing.
Yeah, it's not like oh, I agree, I don't agree.
How should be?
No rules Like you need to feelIf you think that the person is
using you.
That's another thing.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
But I think that's maybe.
I just feel weird if I split it.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I don't know, I don't know, maybe for some guys it's
a turn-on.
That's like they can't use thegirl.
It's not a turn-on.
It just makes me feel like I'ma man Maybe not for you, or no,
maybe for you no, but, like I'msaying, some guys treat girls
really bad and they feel thatthey can't do that because they
have money.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Wait, so you're saying they treat them bad
because they pay for theirdinner?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Some guys do that, that not everyone.
I'm just giving an example.
Okay, okay, okay, like I don'tknow, I think it's really hard
if you're like oh, so you'regonna be with this woman just
because she's hot, she's gonnaget old one day no, but here's
this.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I have this argument with my mom actually because my
mom is like zach, you're in la,you always date these models.
You should date just a girl forpersonality what's wrong with
models?
what's wrong with that's what Itold her I was like mom, do you
think there exist beautifulgirls with great personalities?
Well, yeah, I'm like okay.
So if I the choice between abeautiful girl with a great

(59:36):
personality or an ugly girl witha great personality, of course
I'm going to choose thebeautiful one with a great
personality, like why why nothave it all?
Like why not have both?
You know, yeah, and that's whyI said I was surprised when you
said you don't care about money,because no, I didn't say that I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I say, that's not like a, something that, oh my
gosh, I'm just gonna go out andget money.
I mean, I'm not like lookingfor guys that like, oh yeah it's
not a priority, but it mattersstill.
It helps helps for sure.
It's like, well, you wantsomeone that love what they do
and they're at least makingmoney and feeling motivated with

(01:00:13):
what they do, because, likemoney can come and go, sometimes
someone don't have nothing andthen some years this person
really love what they do andthey're passionate and they're
gonna make money.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
That all can be but you gotta be careful with that.
This is a trap girls fall intoa lot of times yeah um, one of
my friends the other day.
She goes yeah, it's like I don'tcare about money, but I want a
guy who's ambitious and she'sdating this guy.
And I met the guy and he's hassome business he's working on.
He's trying to explain it to me.
It was like it's like thebitcoin, but for uber, for dogs,

(01:00:45):
and it's on the blockchain.
It's an nft, is it?
And my bullshit meter was justlike code red, get the fuck out
of here.
This guy's gonna be broke tillhe's 40.
Like like this guy's gonna beflying middle seat on spirit
till he's, till he dies someday.
I'm like this guy ambition islike very like.
There's a lot of guys who seemambitious, and especially in la,

(01:01:06):
where every guy's like oh, mynew companies, blah, blah, and
like most of these guys are fullof shit.
You know most of them are maybeyeah maybe they're, I don't know
my thing is, if a guy's 21, 22,okay, he hasn't had enough time
to like create success.
Maybe he's ambitious.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Some of the most successful people of history
made their fortune after 40years old, zach yeah, one point
one percent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Point one one out of every million people is that
person?
Yeah but I'm like are you gonnabank marrying somebody on the
off chance that they all of asudden become ambitious when
they're 45 and like finallyactually start working towards
something?

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
you know what I mean oh, I don't know so many rules
to be.
I don't know, I have no idea.
It's like I'm more free spirit,mind of this.
I, I, I wanna, I wanna have themoney enough to support myself
without depending of a guy.
That's really important to memy family is like a family of
woman that always worked and diduniversity.

(01:02:08):
I have university.
I'm a model, but I haveuniversity, so it's like what's
your degree?
I'm a fashion designer yeah,that's why I'm talking about the
jeans, yeah, so it's like Idon't know.
I think, like I'm able to makemore money and if I'm in a
partner, it's probably because Iwant to, like, build a family,
and then it's more important,like have a lot of things that

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are important to build a family,I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
That's good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
It makes it a lot easier to find guys if you don't
care about like money and looksand status and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I care about souls.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
About what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Soul.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
But there's a lot of guys with good souls.
You think, yeah, sure, I justgo to Chipotle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Whoever's checking you out at the cash probably a
good soul, you know Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Christ.
No, I don't know it's likemaybe, maybe Do you like
Chipotle, I like Chipotle.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I go there every day.
Yeah, double double.
Well, now they have the carneasada bowl.
It's only limited time,otherwise I get double steak
bowl every single day.
Yeah, so yeah, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I'm saying I'm vegan and I like Chipotle because you
can build you can build yourlike you know why?
Why?
Because you believe in the wokeculture of America.
I'm vegan for like around 10years right now, and it's
because my grandparents had afarm.

(01:03:34):
Well, my grandma still have afarm, and wait, farmers are like
the least vegan people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
I know most farmers.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That's what I'm saying it's like I was created
like around, like chicken cows,I had my horse and things like
that and the neighbors of theother farm elements was killing
cows to meet and I saw that andyou got sad.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
So you do it for the animals, I do totally for the
animals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
But it's like I feel that's funny too when they say,
like this woke culture here andthey try to put everything in
the same box.
You know why?
Because, like, some religionsdon't eat meat too.
You know what I mean hind knowwhy?
Because, like some religionsdon't meet you.
Hinduism, buddhism.
People don't meet.
So it's like it's hard to put,like everyone in a box.
I think it's really good forpolitics.
Yeah, and it's funny Becauseit's easy to separate people.

(01:04:22):
No, it's easy to separate people.
Create boxes and know whatyou're going to advertise for
these people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah, I mean I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
So it's like mind control, but also.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
I believe, because we're in LA, right, it's like
there's a lot of fake people,there's a lot of people that say
this they want blah, blah, blah.
So I just use every detailabout somebody to read people
and create an image in my headof the type of person that they
are.
Yeah, and, by the way, I'm notactually gonna block you being

(01:04:55):
vegan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
That was kind of a joke, but like, for example, if
someone has a bunch of red flags.
You're like, okay, vegan's ared flag, yes, why?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I don't know why so when I go, if?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
the girl is like yo, it's my religion, I'm like budd
and like I don't eat meat.
Really it's never because Idon't know.
I believe in reincarnation andI don't know.
It's like can be many reasonsfor someone don't eat something
or eat something.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
So the reason it's a bit of a red flag is Because
your favorite restaurant is ameat restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Well, that too, that too, it's very hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I can't eat a burger made out of cashews and grass
like I just can't do it.
I'm a man, I need my fucking.
I need I need.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
A lot of men are vegan.
Choose that.
Don't make you be less man Iwould never be.
Yeah, I feel like a don't be solike oh, if I'm vegan, I'm not
man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, whatever there's guys that pee sitting
down.
There's guys that fucking ridebird scooters with the helmet on
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
There's you know there's a lot of guys that, like
I, wouldn't want to be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean they're great.
They probably should find somelike alpha female that you know
they can call her mommy when shepegs them from behind and like
great relationships.
You know what I mean, yeah yeah, but just not for me, like I'm
not gonna be that guy, like fuckthat shit, you know yeah like
here's the thing.
Okay, back in the day you havea lot of things that you don't
like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Like you're in here, I know, because it's fun, it's
fun, it's fun, and I don't likethis and I think that's like, if
you say that she's like youdon't care much about how much
the guy make you gonna supportthe guy, I'm gonna pay
everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
No, I didn't say that no, no, I know, I know, yeah,
but I'm saying like, back in theday, there are certain things
that like, if you're a man, youdo this.
If you're a man, you drink beer, you watch football, you know,
you go in the backyard and youchop wood with the axe and like
all that kind of stuff.
Right now it's 2023.
We're like, okay, it's a littlesilly well, thanks god, a lot of

(01:06:49):
things change too yeah let'sput this away, because some
things are like it is a littlesilly to say like, oh you pee
sitting down, you're less of aman.
Or, like you, you order redwine at the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Or like you, like you know, read poetry books, you
know, at your house for fun,like, but at some point you want
a guy more masculine, like genemorrison that was all the time
writing poetry, for example, orrainbow, or like all this kind
of super personalities,intelligent people, and they
were super man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
I guess, right, there are guys I just think, at some
point, when too many thingsstack up, like at what point,
are you just less masculine?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Like at some point it's like, yeah, they're kind of
silly things, but like when youdo certain actions over and
over and over that are like verynot masculine, eventually I
think it does make you lessmasculine, even though they seem
silly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
You know what I'm saying yeah, or maybe for you,
maybe for the other person, nomaybe, maybe freedom, like it's
like maybe the other peoplethink that's okay and they feel
masculine, do that.
Or some girls feel morefeminine, do some kind of things
like I don't know, you need tosee what's right for you.
Maybe for you it's not likegood be vegan because you're not

(01:08:11):
be cool for your life or havethe helmet or have like all that
you say.
You know what I mean, or thingslike that but for other people,
it's okay, and they're not eventripping about yeah, I mean it's
like whatever to make you good,you know what I mean.
It's like, because a personthat's doing what they love,
you're gonna match this person.
They're gonna be nicer to youtoo if they're doing something

(01:08:31):
that they don't feel confidentdoing.
Blah, blah.
Oh, I have this helmet.
I look stupid and I'm like onthe chipotle line or whatever
people.
I love chipotle, I lovechipotle I go to chipotle every
day.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
I told you but.
But, but here's the thing, okay, I'm, I'm a guy, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
How I bond with people is making fun of them.
Like my best friend.
How I know if somebody is mytrue boy you're my boy, you're
my best friend is if I can makefun of them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
And I know we're like brutally like my friend Moe,
who's on the podcast with me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I can insult his entire ancestors, his entire
bloodline, tell everybody aboutthe micropenis that he has and
everything, and we will still befriends afterward.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
He loves you too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, that's how we bond as guys, and it's the same
with all my brothers.
We all give each other shit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Your dad was like that too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, he's very old school.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Wow, there you have why too.
So it's like you like thisrelationship that you have with
your dad and you felt likereally friendly with your dad in
this way and with your father.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Because it's fun.
It's the way that you feel withyour friends.
You know you said world culture, Honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
No, it's because I just learned about that here in
the US.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
It's not a thing in other countries I know,

(01:10:14):
no-transcript civilization as weknow.
Blah, blah, blah.
It just makes things moreboring.
It's just like you can't makefun of people because it's like
offensive and I'm just like, butit's just boring.
Then I like, when people makefun of me, it's like make fun of
me, it's more fun, we canbanter, then we can go back and

(01:10:37):
forth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I think the most important thing in what
you're saying is don't takethings so personal, because
sometimes you're just making fun, but it's not because, oh my,
I'm really going to like to makeyou feel bad.
I'm just trying to be friendlybecause it's your way to be
friendly.
It's the way that you learn it.
That is be friendly, the waythat your dad treated you and
you love your dad and you're thelove you know.

(01:10:58):
So in your mind you have otherconcept about that, but if it's
a person, maybe that's like hisdad wasn't even present, present
and in the school they weremaking fun of this person.
When you say something, maybethis person can take in a
different way.
It's not because they don'tlike you or nothing.
No, it's because of like yohurt it for me.
You know what I mean, or Idon't know people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yeah, everybody's very sensitive nowadays.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Many kind of people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
That's what I'm saying.
I guess more important, don'ttake things personal, because
when people speak up, they'respeaking more about themselves
than about the other person youknow what I?
Mean it's like you are.
It's the way you see the world,so it's like everything working
kind of like yo.
I see this way.
I'm judging this way.
I'm because I don't know whatwas created in this way, and
it's not wrong with that.

(01:11:45):
It's all good like you're ahappy person when you do what
you love.
It's all good, me too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
So that's the thing all right, we are over over the
hour, but this has been very fun.
We'll have to have you on roundtwo sometime.
Do you want to give a shout outto any instagram or any social
media, anything like that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
well, I guess you're gonna tag me, right yeah, I'll
tag you for sure, okay all right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Well, it's been fun, take care everybody.

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